The One About Monet's Thanksgiving Disaster

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast Summary

Episode: "The One About Monet's Thanksgiving Disaster"

Date: November 27, 2023
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change

Overview

In this chaotic, laugh-out-loud episode, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change dig into the drama of Monét’s Thanksgiving preparations gone wrong, reflect on the role of spirituality in recovery and everyday life, reminisce about drag bar culture, and veer into everything from fake TikToks to the price of oxtails. The pair’s signature banter is fully on display alongside Jacob Ritz, who chimes in as a third voice of reason (and fact-checker) throughout the episode. If you want to hear about family, community, drag industry politics, and hilarious personal disasters – all while learning the true value of a pound of oxtails – this is your episode.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Spirituality & Recovery: Is AA a Spiritual Program?

(04:10 – 12:24)

• Bob’s Take: “I have a really hard time with spiritualism... it just kind of seems toxic to be honest with you.” (04:10)
• Deep dive into whether Alcoholics Anonymous is spiritual or just practical.
  • Bob: "AA allows you to incorporate your faith, if you have faith, into the program... But AA itself is not a spiritual program." (05:41)
  • Both hosts debate how the concept of “God” and “spiritual awakening” is personalized in AA — could mean anything, not just the Christian God.
• Memorable exchange:
  • Monét: "So what is your God?... when you're reading that chant or that prayer or that step…like, you're referencing a God of something..."
  • Bob: "The program itself is the higher power in this situation for you? Yeah, for me—again, it’s different for everyone." (10:53)
• Conclusion: You don't need to be spiritual to get sober or to participate in AA.

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2. Dairy Drama & Going Vegan

(12:24 – 17:10)

• Monét laments her rapidly decreasing milk and cheese tolerance after eating a mountain of cheese-laden nachos.
  • “I have now... realized that dairy’s not my friend and I cannot eat cheese like I used to.” (13:07)
• Bob suggests going vegan, plugs “Forks Over Knives,” and jokes about how even veganism can be spiritual.
  • “For some people, going vegan is a spiritual process.” (13:35)
• Discussion of fake TikTok food videos and the disappointment of finding out influencers are faking recipes and "pranks."
  • Bob: “Everything on TikTok is fake.” (17:31)

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3. Monét’s Thanksgiving Calamity

(20:03 – 29:33)

• Monét describes the panic of prepping her new house for Thanksgiving with the family, only to realize the gas won’t be turned on until AFTER the holiday.
  • “Today I got a gas bill for my current place... I didn't put the gas... the earliest day they can come is the 28th, which is five days after Thanksgiving.” (21:06)
• Drama intensifies: The family is flying in, expectations are high (with Caribbean oxtails at the center of the meal), chaos ensues.
• Bob offers solutions: catering, Bunsen burners, microwave ovens. “Maybe they just take the load off and don’t cook.” (28:58)
• Monét: “My grandmother’s motherfucking cooking for Thanksgiving. Absolutely she is.” (29:07)
• Tangent into the cost of oxtails ($27/lb), Southern foods, and “hog head cheese,” leading to cheese trauma and plenty of culinary side-eye.

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4. Drag Bar Wars, Salaries, and NYC Nightlife

(33:33 – 47:29)

• Debate: Should NYC drag bars move to a salary model like some Southern bars, or maintain the current system where queens hop between bars?
  • Monét proposes: “If you put girls on salary... they don’t feel as disposable as just week to week.”
  • Bob’s counter: “It gave me opportunities to work at places that I didn’t get to normally work... truly the joy of the nightlife for me.” (46:31)
• They recount the changing bar culture: The rise/fall of Boots and Saddle, the tightly-run drag schedules, and the “house mother” system with names like Victoria Chase, Shaquita, and Holiday.
  • Bob, about Boots and Saddle: “There was never, not a show. I had never seen, like, this in my life.” (38:12)
• Southern bar politics (“bar wars”), differences between Northern/Southern drag economies.

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5. Drag Rates & Cost of Living

(55:53 – 59:13)

• Extended discussion of how the standard drag show rate ($150/gig) hasn’t changed in over a decade despite drastically rising costs.
  • Monét: “The standard should at least be $200 now.” (56:46)
• Riff on cost of living in NYC vs. San Diego vs. San Francisco.
• Compare U.S. & Australian restaurant wages, tipping culture, and the way workers are (under)paid in America.
  • Bob: “At Waffle House, they pay you minimum wage or above…” (59:13)
  • Monét: “When I went to Daishum in Australia and I... tipped on top of [the wage]... they were like, 'Oh wow, thanks, man.'” (59:57)

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6. Who Was Jesus? The Final Debate

(60:33 – 62:22)

• Bob and Monét end with a wild digression about the ethnicity of Jesus, referencing long-standing debates about historical depictions.
  • Memorable Monét quote: “Only a white person can be that damn mean and nasty and cruel.” (60:45)
  • Bob: “No one ever talks about the fact that Jesus is Asian. No one’s having this conversation.” (61:16)

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7. Classic Sibling Rivalry Banter and Quotes

• On faked viral videos:
  • Bob: “It really irritates me... I don't have enough words to explain why, but it really irritates me.” (16:33)
• On running bar shows:
  • Monét: “Except Jasmine Rice. Jasmine Rice will start a show late with the last thing she do.” (37:49)
• On generational family experiences and growing up:
  • “It was the Sunday I would look forward to oxtails. It's the tale of an actual oxygen of a cow.” (24:13)

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On Spirituality & AA:
  • Bob: “AA allows you to incorporate your faith... but AA itself is not a spiritual program.” (05:41)
• On TikTok Fakes:
  • Bob: “Everything on TikTok is fake.” (17:31)
• Thanksgiving Chaos:
  • Monét: “Today I got a gas bill... and the earliest day they can come is the 28th—five days after Thanksgiving.” (21:06)
• Bar Wars:
  • Bob: “Southern bars, they be in bar wars, girl. If you go to the other bar, you... Don't even set foot in here again. They be like the Bloods in the Crips.” (36:56)
• On Drag Pay:
  • Monét: “The rate is still 150. These bars are still paying girls $150, Bob. That was the standard when I was started... That's crazy.” (56:08)
• On Jesus’ Ethnicity:
  • Bob: “No one ever talks about the fact that Jesus is Asian. No one’s having this conversation.” (61:16)
  • Monét: “I will acknowledge that Jesus is a biscuit, and I'm going to sop him up.” (62:22)

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Fun & Memorable Moments

• The cheese debate progressing from food allergies to “hog head cheese” to “folding the cheese” à la Schitt’s Creek.
• Bob and Monét trying (and failing) to recall the names and resumes of every drag house mother in NYC.
• Bob expressing disbelief that Monét has never seen “Shawshank Redemption.”
• Monét threatening to sue Bob: “If I sue you, honey, you better call Saul. The amount of footages I have on you. You're going to be under the jail scrubbing it clean with a damn fork.” (43:32)
• Commentary on barking/galloping dogs in Bob’s building and how to survive the urban safari.

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Timestamps (Quick Reference)

• Spirituality & AA: 04:10 – 12:24
• Dairy/Vegan Discussion & Fake TikTok: 12:24 – 17:10
• Thanksgiving Disaster Story: 20:03 – 29:33
• Drag Bar Salaries & NYC Bar Scene: 33:33 – 47:29
• Drag Pay Debate & Minimum Wage: 55:53 – 59:13
• Jesus’ Ethnicity Debate: 60:33 – 62:22

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Conclusion

This episode has it all: family holiday disasters, philosophical debates on spirituality, sharp critique of the drag show economy, and enough pop culture references, industry tea, and roast sessions to keep even casual listeners thoroughly entertained. If you missed it, this recap will give you the highlights, the memes, and (maybe most importantly) the real value of oxtail in 2023.

Transcript

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Close your eyes, exhale.

[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

hey, guys, again, Papa Drag Queen, I'm going to be in Atlanta at the Atlanta Symphony on December 30, the eve of New Year's Eve. Please spend your time with me. You can go to seethedrad queen.com to hear some hilarious jokes and maybe I'll wear, like a festive Christmas outfit.

[Monet X Change]

And guys, you can catch me in Orlando and Tampa. I'm going to be at the Orlando improv on December 6th and the Tampa improv on December 7th. So if you in Florada, come see your girl Monet x Change because I'm retiring these jokes, y', all this year. This is the last time you can hear these motherfucking jokes. So come see me do these jokes in Orlando and Tampa. And y', all, Sibling Rivalry Live is coming to San Francisco at the Castro Theater on January 5th. Now, I know we have had. We swear. We swear. This is the final date. We will be in San Francisco on January 5 for sibling rivalry Live. So snatch up these last tickets and sell us the out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen

[Monet X Change]

and I'm Monet X Change.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, I find God.

[Monet X Change]

I find myself in a Thanksgiving cris.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We found out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

No one. No one. Only a white person can be that damn mean and nasty and cruel. And we find out what made Monet say this. Yes, both me, Jasmine Rice, will start a sholay with the last thing she do. Okay, actually, I'm gonna close my. No, I'm not gonna. You're gonna get me fucked up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, you're trying to have me guide you through it or something? Was that the plan?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Oh,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, this feels like pretty visual content for a podcast, you know?

[Monet X Change]

Well, then they should. I know everyone is seeing this on the. Under YouTube also, if you want to see the. Wait, should I go down? You know, when you look in the mirror, you can't tell whether you're going, like, I need to go this way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do not have that problem when I'm looking in the mirror. I do not have that problem personally.

[Monet X Change]

It's not great, but it's better. Okay, I'm listening. How was your day? What do you do today?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I came to Germany. I'm in. I'm in Cologne.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I've been to Cologne. I love Cologne.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, here we are. And I'm, you know, I'm at my hotel, kicking it max and relaxing. Cruising, all relaxing. Shooting some people.

[Monet X Change]

Outside of school, I started reading the Jada Pinkett book. Very interesting. She had this whole, like, rebirth when she went. When she went on this, like, ayahuasca trip. She done it, like, a couple of times.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How many times has this bitch been born?

[Monet X Change]

I'm towards the beginning of the book, so at this point, I know she's done it twice, but she loses. She's done it multiple times, like, more than twice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have a really hard time with spiritualism, to be honest. It just kind of seems toxic to be honest with you. And like.

[Monet X Change]

Like spirituality in general. Because isn't. AA is spiritual?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it's not. See, it's really not.

[Monet X Change]

That is so. So many different people. And again, I have a lot of AA friends, and everyone has a different. Some people say it is spiritual, some people say it's not. It seems like this. Like, no one can decide what it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

AA is not a program based on spirituality. And any. If people. If people are having spiritual experiences, that does not mean the AA itself is a spiritual program. There's no. There's no spirituality in AA.

[Monet X Change]

Is spiritual. That's what, like they say, people who have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm going to reiterate someone more than having a spiritual experience, but that does not make. AA itself is not a spiritual program. There's no spirituality in the program. There's no. There's nothing in pro. In AA itself that lends itself to spirituality, with the exception of it acknowledges the existence.

[Monet X Change]

Second, the prayers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So the. So the prayers aren't like a tenant of aa. You know what I mean? Like, for example, in New York City, we don't In New York City they don't say prayers. In New York City they'll hold hands, they'll say, keep coming back. It works if you work it. So work it. You're worth it and live it. That's not a prayer. It's more like a chance to be like, hey, if you're here, keep coming back. It's like a reminder to people to just keep coming back and keep doing the program, keep doing the steps, keep working on it, keep working on it. But it's not,

[Monet X Change]

are they like stepping out on the thing and are they not supposed to do that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you do, you do the serenity prayer, but you're not actually like unless you are a Christian. So what it is, is that AA allows you to incorporate your faith, if you have faith into the program. So if you have a faith or a belief system and allows you to use the God of your understanding and, and incorporated into your sobriety and how you can apply those things. But there's also an entire, an entire chapter to the agnostic, meaning the people who either don't believe in God or can't prove there is a God and who aren't, who aren't doing off off any sort of a faith based program, but they just want to get sober. And it's called the chapter to the Agnostics, which is very popular in aa, especially in New York aa where a lot of people aren't religious. But, but AA does, but AA does allow itself to incorporate spirituality into the program that exists, which itself is not spiritual.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I'm, I, I, I again, I'm not, I'm not an AA person, I can any of that. I'm just saying like I've had like conversations with a people like, oh, it absolutely is spiritual. And like that's there, there is a

[Bob the Drag Queen]

line in it that says you'll have a spiritual awakening. There's a line in the having had a spiritual awakening. But it's not in the way, it's not like ayahuasca spiritual.

[Monet X Change]

No one is. I'm not saying it's ayahuasca, I'm not saying it's acid spiritual or whatever. I'm just saying that there is also, but it's also not yoga as being a spiritual experience.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but I'm saying like it's not yoga spiritual, it's not woo woo spiritual. It's not religious spiritual. It's not spiritual. Not really. I mean the short answer is not really. Like it allows spirituality. And even though it does say the line having had a spiritual awakening Even though that is one of the lines in the steps themselves. The program, I find, is actually quite practical and easy for someone to follow if they don't have any sort of a spiritual connection to the world. It's actually really easy. But it's also really easy to follow if you have a deep spiritual connection to the world and even if you're incredibly faithful through religion because it just kind of. It's a really loose framework while being. While also being incredibly rigid as well.

[Monet X Change]

Do you know what people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

People call anything? I don't know. People call them doing their makeup spiritual. People just be tossing the word spiritual around. I know people who call cooking spiritual. I know people who call editing YouTube videos spiritual. I know people who call walk.

[Monet X Change]

You know someone that calls editing a YouTube video a spiritual experience. Bob?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, come on. People who find editing. Yes. People who find editing so editing footage to be a spiritual process for them because they're by themselves. They're looking at footage of themselves or other people. Yes. And I'm not here to judge anyone for finding that spiritual.

[Monet X Change]

Who do I know them?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There are people who find the process of, like, meticulously looking over something.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Jacob is. Jacob is the 12 steps. The third one says, I just read

[Bob the Drag Queen]

having had a spiritual awakening. That's what I was just talking about.

[Jacob Ritz]

Number five, admitted to God, to ourselves, and number six, ready to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So when we say God, we don't all. They don't always mean God as in the God of Heaven. Sometimes for some people, God means, like, great, orderly direction. For some people, it may be YouTube. So for some people, well, there is a thing in a where God could mean anything. For some people, God means group of drunks. For some people, God is. For some people, God is the program. It's just something that has something in the world that has more power than you. So for some people, I think we're

[Monet X Change]

both saying the same thing. I'm not saying that that is true. I think we're both saying the same thing. But I think that that is like, whatever your spirituality is, it's a spiritual experience for you. Like that's helping you get sober.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, we're not saying the same thing. Cause I don't have spirituality. I have no spirituality. That's why I say we're not saying the same thing, because I have no spirituality. So that's what I'm saying. So sometimes for people in aa, the concept of God is very, very loose. Right. So it's just. It just means that something that. Something that has a little more power than you do in specific situations. And for some people, it is the room itself.

[Monet X Change]

So what is your God? So when you read these steps, when you read this, what are you referring to as your God?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, sometimes I think of the program itself and I think of the concept of coincidence and circumstance.

[Monet X Change]

So that in itself is like your spiritual relationship stuff.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not spiritual. You keep telling me I'm spiritual. I'm not spiritual. You keep trying to. It puts spirituality.

[Monet X Change]

Because I'm trying to understand if you. When you're referencing God in the steps and the ones that Jacob just pulled up, this three, six, nine, whichever ones

[Bob the Drag Queen]

they are, I mean, step one has God in it. Well, right.

[Monet X Change]

So step one of all the steps that have God in them. Right. When you're reading that chant or that, that prayer or that step, when you're reading that thing, like you're referencing a God of something. Like you're. You're not talking about nothing. You're not just saying it and meaning nothing because obviously it works. So like, it's like what, referring to the program.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The program itself is the higher power in this situation for you? Yeah, for me, again, it's different for everyone. Everyone is something different. That's why I say I don't find spirituality. I don't find spirituality in makeup. But I know people who find putting on makeup to be a spiritual process. But for me it's not. But I don't think I can say that makeup is inherently spiritual just because people find spirituality through makeup.

[Monet X Change]

But I mean, I think that's. That's hard to cut and dice when there is God throughout the entire thing. And referencing your higher power. Go ahead, Jacob.

[Jacob Ritz]

I think the one other important thing to note is I think AA was started in like 1935. So like at its conception it was like very God heavy. But because we've moved on 100 years now, we still use core outline. But I think people are able to take and leave what they want and sort of use that outline.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. So AA was. AA was founded in Akron, Ohio, and it was Bill and Bob, Bill and Steve. Bill and Bob. Yep. And Bill and Bob were both very. Were both Christian. But then other people, other people who were not Christians wanted to get sober as well, but they could not use the framework because it was so Christian. And then they were like, well, maybe we need to take the Christianity out of this and make it so that anyone of any faith or of no faith chapters of the agnostic can still find a pro. A way to get a sober in the room in the Rooms.

[Monet X Change]

Interesting. Can I tell you something that makes me feel sober, something that I want to be sober from? That is dairy and cheese.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Change the subject. Dairy and cheese.

[Monet X Change]

We have to get into the advice. Arie and I just wanted to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, shit. This is the advice episode. Do you feel drunk off dairy and cheese?

[Monet X Change]

I really do. Like, I had. I made this stupid decision to have a fucking nachos last night from a taco truck here in la. And I got. And when I say the thing was like covered in cheese and I ate every drop of it in the middle of the night, girl, I was like, I immediately regretted that decision. And I think that in my, in this first third of my life, I have now, at the end of it, realized that dairy's not my friend and I cannot eat, eat cheese like I used to grow. I am being 33. Is a glass of milk or a box of cheese ruining the rest of your next day? I feel horrible.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe it's time for you to go vegan.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know about all that, but definitely dairy free or less copious amounts of it. I need to like, really chill on the cheese.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For some people, going vegan is a spiritual process. Maybe it's worth giving it a. A shot to try escape your veganism. Even if you do it just for a month, it's really interesting.

[Monet X Change]

No, I don't believe it's virtual. If they had. If they had like a no. No dairy for the agnostic, then I can get into that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was vegan for three years and I'm. And I'm not spiritual, so you can try my version.

[Monet X Change]

Is there a book you can recommend?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, fork. What is it? Forks over Knives.

[Monet X Change]

That's a documentary.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it's a book too.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

a lot of people cite that book.

[Jacob Ritz]

Also a really great. There's a really great web series called the Plant Based Way with Monet X Change.

[Monet X Change]

Well, the Plant Based Way. We talk about doing both. Jacob Ritz, you talk about.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You talk about not going vegan on a show called the Plant Based Way.

[Monet X Change]

No, we talked about eating meat and not eating meat and finding. There are some plant based things I enjoy. Like I love the chem nuggets and everything, but I have not found a vegan cheese that I enjoy. Kim says, food.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's so weird when people go, they don't eat plant. Like people like, I don't eat plant based food. Everyone eats plant based food. Like, everyone eats a vegan meal.

[Monet X Change]

But I think that this means specifically, like meat substitutes. Like, I've had plant Based meat substitutes and they're not good. Like I've had someone, someone's that, that they try to do this like mince plant based thing and it's like a. So it's like a ground beef and it does not taste good to me. I don't eat that. I'm like woof.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't want that meat based food that doesn't taste good.

[Monet X Change]

This is true, this is true. But I think there is like this like chalky. But also that's probably. And more so in how it's prepared than the actual meat itself. Right. And I think that this might, it was just like it had just, it just had like a chalky texture. Like I felt like I was eating like wet chalk and I just didn't enjoy that, that, that, that, that taste.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In my time as a vegan I realized that, that it's kind of the same thing with this essentially the same thing in regards to vegan foods as well. It's just kind of in the way that, in the way that you cook them. There's this Guy on, on YouTube TikTok who his thing is like he takes his dad trash food. Like he'll bring him like a hungry man meal and then he'll be like dad, can you make this gourmet? His dad takes the Hungry man meal or takes a, takes a, a Burger King sandwich or he'll take like a chipotle burrito bowl and then he just turns it into gourmet food. And it's so interesting when you just take the same ingredients that would be considered junk food or garbage or bad food and then it's just prepared in a new way. It elevates the. I mean I haven't tasted this food to know that it might look good

[Monet X Change]

but does it taste good?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean maybe they're faking it for

[Monet X Change]

the talk, you know, people. But I was. I found out two of my favorite TikTokers, not two, one of my favorite tiktokers fake ass videos. Like a lot of them are like, are fake videos.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're all doing fake videos. They all do fake videos. And I really find for some reason it really. I don't know why it annoys me so much that they're faking these things. But it, I, I don't have enough words to explain why but it really irritates me. And there's this one video of this guy who's always like doing these like videos and he's like going through these filters and then he like always gets bad options and I'm like, you're redoing it, and I know you're redoing it. Or people who put their. Put their camera. There's a couple put the camera up, and they'll argue. They pull pranks on each other, but the camera is just, like, on the dashboard. And I'm like, you're not pranking each other. You're not pranking.

[Monet X Change]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're both in on it, and you're. And the acting is also really bad.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, sometimes the prank ones. And I'm like, girl, that's so obviously faked. But, I mean. But sometimes they really fool you. I mean, maybe I'm just an idiot. And I'm like, oh, my God, I believe this video. I'm like. And then someone. I fell into a Twitter thread of them exposing them, and I was like, oh, shit, that was all fake. I feel so lost.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Everything on TikTok is fake. In fact, I'll tell you some more fake stuff when we get back from this break. This is just a regular episode now. I guess

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what I. So what? It is so. Thank you. I got it in Greece. A little on the nose. I know, I know.

[Monet X Change]

Wow, Bob, that's like going to St. Lucia and getting a fucking shirt with a. With a fucking breadfruit on it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I probably would if they had them. I really would.

[Monet X Change]

And I would disown them.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want to be like, this is my grease shirt. I go to airports and I get the hoodie with the name of the town on it.

[Monet X Change]

We know, honey.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If I go to New York City, I want an I Heart New York shirt. That's what I want in my life.

[Monet X Change]

Can we. Can I say really quick, I'm so stressed out. You didn't ask me why I'm stressed out. You see I'm stressed out. You didn't even see. You even care that I'm stressed out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't. Before you tell me that you stressed out, I want to loop around to this. Last thing I want to say about the fake TikTokers. What drives me crazy is, like, I found this out recently. The singers, they record their videos of them singing, and then they go back and do vocal production on the video.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that's.

[Monet X Change]

That's obvious.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it looks like they're just, like, singing to the thing. Not. Not, by the way, not into a microphone. Not. Not into. Not in a studio, just singing to their phone. And it's only obvious to people. That's only obvious to people who. Who are singers. Those of us who. Who don't. Who aren't singing. I'm like, I thought they were. I thought it was just like, you pick up your phone, you start singing to it. They're doing vocal production on these handheld videos.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Because, I mean, so many people are being discovered on TikTok and there's so much currency in hopefully your video going viral and you becoming the next Ice Spice or the next Tyla or whatever it is. So I think people. Yeah, they, like, they do everything to make sure that they sound the best they could possibly sound, just in case.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why are you stressed out?

[Monet X Change]

It's my family.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Say it with the deep ass breaths.

[Monet X Change]

I had to feel like. You don't want to tell? I need to let the air out. So my family, you know, my house is. I've been rushing to get my house ready for Thanksgiving. My house that I'm moving into.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're Russian now?

[Monet X Change]

I'm Russian. I'm Russian Jewish. Me and Jinx. That was one of the gifts she gave me from All Stars 7.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's not Jewish.

[Monet X Change]

She is. Jinx isn't Jewish. She is. She. I know. I know. And I said that to you. I. I don't know. No, but she's Jinx.

[Jacob Ritz]

Jinx is of Jewish heritage, but she was raised Catholic.

[Monet X Change]

But she is, like, her mom is Russian Jew.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But she did a. But she did, like, a blood test and was like, I'm not Jewish. I'm not. That's not news that I'm breaking.

[Monet X Change]

She.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And she went live. She was like, I did a test and I found that I wasn't Jewish.

[Jacob Ritz]

She did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Am I making that up? I don't know.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know this. I don't know this video. I do not know that. So I cannot say yes or no.

[Jacob Ritz]

Based on the research I've done, she was raised Catholic and found out she was of Jewish descent when she was an adult. But. Interesting. We could do more research, but

[Monet X Change]

Jinx tweeted. A couple days ago that she's Jewish. She shared some ceasefire stuff and stuff about the Israeli Palestinian war. And someone said something about anti Semitism. She retweeted it saying, I'm literally Jewish. So that was up until like, four days ago, three days ago.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So maybe I'm wrong. Don't listen to me. Listen to Jinx.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. And so get in my house. Ready? We're rushing, rushing, rushing. Like, there's a lot of things to get the floors get done, blah, blah, blah. And then because I'm flying my family in here, like my aunts, my grandmother, my cousins, they're coming to have things at my new house. It's gonna be a whole big family thing. Everyone's emotional, whatever. So just in the midst of everything, I had to get the Internet and, like, the power and everything. And then today, I got a gas bill for my current place. And I was like, oh. I was like, oh, let me. I was like, shit. I didn't put the gas. Let me make sure. Call me to put the gas. The earliest day they can come up with the gas is the 28th, which is five days after Thanksgiving.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. Which is order, order, order.

[Monet X Change]

No, the whole thing is that they're bringing. Bitch. They're bringing oxtails from, like, across. They want to, like, cook this, like, Thanksgiving dinner. It's like a whole thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe you should get some Bunsen burners. I've got. I'm trying to offer options.

[Monet X Change]

I know. Or I'm gonna have my place here

[Bob the Drag Queen]

or a couple of. A couple of cooker or a couple of microwave ovens. Maybe not microwave oven, toaster oven.

[Monet X Change]

Maybe I can. Maybe I can get some hungry man meals and see if my grandmother can make them gourmet. You know, that could be cool for TikTok.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Possibly. Is your brother a chef?

[Monet X Change]

My brother's not coming. He has his kids and his wife. They do their own thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, they said my brother. Who'd you say? You said my grandmother.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but it's just, like, so stressful. I mean, I'm gonna have my place here so I can come back here and can cook. But everything's gonna be at my other place, so just. My grandmother's gonna be sitting here by herself, just with no furniture, nothing, Just cooking.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are oxtails expensive?

[Monet X Change]

Yes. This guy. These guys were just arrested in Atlanta for taking. For, like, stealing oxtails. They had, like, a thousand dollars worth of oxtails.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Keith Lee got Atlanta upside down niggas that has stealing oxtails now. This is crazy.

[Monet X Change]

I know. Oxtails are so expensive.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I saw a video online of someone, this. This guy trying to cook cocktails for his girlfriend or his wife, His. His partner. And he's like. He's like a white guy. He's doing a really bad job. And he's like. She's like, what's in there? He's like, I got some salt and some pepper, and I. And I. And I have the potatoes. That's how you like them. And then she was like, that's not. That's not how you do it. And then the comments. The comments were saying two things. One. One comes like, he's really. He's trying. The other comments were like, that is a thousand dollars worth of oxtail. They were being a bit. But I didn't realize that oxtails were so expensive.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I'm gonna say how much is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I never grew up eating them.

[Monet X Change]

You didn't? I thought southern people eat oxtails.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Some of them do. I just. I didn't grow up eating oxtails.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, we. We grew up eating oxtails. Oxtails was. And when. When. When it was made. When oxtails were made for Sunday dinner, it was. It happened, like, once every, like, two months. It was like, bitch. It was the Sunday I would look forward to oxtails. It's the tale of an actual oxygen of a cow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, it's from a cow.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why don't they call it cow tails? I don't know.

[Monet X Change]

They just call it oxtails. So oxtails range oxtails are about. Roughly about $27 a pound, which is a lot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And how much is rump roast?

[Monet X Change]

A rump roast?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rump. Rump roast. Like pig butt. How much is pig butt?

[Monet X Change]

I've never, ever heard of rump roast. I don't think I've ever. Per pound. Rump roast per pound. I'm going at Vons. $20 a pound.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, my last question. How much is, like, a hog head? How much is a hog head?

[Monet X Change]

Hog head?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Okay, so you're telling me you're gonna talk about eating cowtail, but when I mentioned the thing that. Something. You scrunching your face up.

[Monet X Change]

$6 a pound. $6 a pound?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Average. How dare you squint your face up.

[Monet X Change]

I don't. Did your family cook hog heads?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Yeah. People cook hog heads. Yeah. You can also make hog head cheese.

[Monet X Change]

Make cheese out of it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not cheese, actually. I don't know. I mean, they call it hog head cheese. I don't think it's actual cheese. It's just from the. It's from the brains of the. Of the of the pig.

[Monet X Change]

Wow, this is so insensitive. I told you about me and cheese and you're going to just bring up cheese casual on the podcast. I told you how I'm with cheese right now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I think hog head cheese is lactose free, so you're probably. I think I found the cheese also, by the way, do you know that like parmesan and like cheeses don't. Don't. See, see, don't have. Don't have lactose in them.

[Monet X Change]

Parmigiano and

[Bob the Drag Queen]

like certain, certain, certain cheeses don't have lactose in them. Isn't that interesting?

[Monet X Change]

Interesting. Well, how did it also do they get the lactose from the cow? So if they Are these cheese not made from cow?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it is made from cow. But like the lactose is like aged out or something or cooked out or something. I don't know. There's something about it. I read it online, then I googled and I was like, oh, wow, that's true.

[Monet X Change]

Should we start making our own cheese?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no. It's a very difficult process. I lived in Minnesota, near Wisconsin, and they take cheese very seriously. It is a. Making cheese is quite a complicated process. I don't think I like cheese that much. I mean, I like cheese, but not enough to go into the cheese. I have no passion surrounding cheese.

[Monet X Change]

You remember the episode of Schitt's Creek when they. When they try to steal. When they try to get the. The milk, the cow milk, the dairy milk.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I haven't seen too many. I just know folding in the cheese. All knows about folding in the cheese. You fold it, David. Folding the cheese.

[Monet X Change]

I. How do you fold the cheese? I can't teach you everything, David.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, there's something I want to tell you because there's something you just mentioned that I wanted to bring up. Was it about the cheese cheese hog head. Was it about the rump roast? I can't remember. But I think that maybe what you could do is reach out to a catering company and have cater some food and then. Because the caterers will bring burners because my family does catering too. And you can, because I have a lot of cooks in my family. And then I come into la, though.

[Monet X Change]

I will, I will, I will. I will fly uncle Scotty to la.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't want Sky's cooking.

[Monet X Change]

No, no, no, no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't want.

[Monet X Change]

You don't want Uncle Steve. Uncle Steve.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, you eat. You eat Sky's cooking. If you want to eat Sky's cooking.

[Monet X Change]

You want.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can be looking crazy as Hell, he can grill, though. He. He can barbecue. He can grill. He can grill. I won't say he can barbecue. He can grill. Scotty can grill. He was egg. It's just like, I. Yeah, I would reach out to a. I would reach out to a company, catering company, and. Because especially, by the way now, because all the catering companies are getting booked as my family runs a catering company and my brother does, and one of the biggest issues is people trying to book Thanksgiving catering last minute. So you need to get a catering company now. They will drop off the Bunsen burners and ask them for extra burners and extra pans, and you can put the oxtail in that.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I'm gonna call my aunt now after we get done and figure out what the plan is. Cause maybe they will just come and cook here. I mean, I have a full kitchen here in my apartment now, you know?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, the food's gonna get cooked somewhere and ship. I mean, but also, maybe they just take the load off and don't cook. You know what I mean? Maybe they just eat instead of cooking.

[Monet X Change]

No, my grandmother's motherfucking cooking for Thanksgiving. Absolutely. She is. She. Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is it sounds like she doesn't have an option in this. It's like you're forcing herself.

[Monet X Change]

She does it. Cecilia does not have the option.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cecilia. Justice for Cecilia. This is crazy. We need to hear Cecilia's voice. Honey, she may be your grandmother, but she's someone's daughter, okay? And she deserves to have a voice.

[Monet X Change]

So I saw a bunch of my high school friends. They came to my show at the Bell House on Thursday, and it was so good to see old high school friends. And so many of my friends have kids. And not just, like, one kid, girl, like multiple. Like, three of my good friends, they have. Each of them has three kids. I was like, cheryl, you got three kids now, Candace?

[Jacob Ritz]

Three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My. My. One of my childhood friends, Ivory, who is my nephew's mother.

[Monet X Change]

Ivory Winters.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, her last name was Winter. That's crazy. Actually, her last name is Winters. I just realized her name.

[Monet X Change]

Is that where Ivy got her name from?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her name. Her name's not Ivy. I'm just kidding. But she's my nephew's mom, and she's one year younger than me, and she has six kids.

[Monet X Change]

Six.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Six.

[Monet X Change]

Like, one. The one. The number after five.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yep. Right before seven.

[Monet X Change]

I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right before seven.

[Monet X Change]

But anyway, I said a lot to say also, and, like, doing this. Doing a show in, like, your hometown, it just feels so good. And I was gonna say. I was gonna say Something else. Oh, Mateo is nice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, that's lovely. Mateo is a real. I mean, I'm so proud of Mateo. Mateo opened it for me at the Gramercy. No, that was Zach. At Caroline's. At Caroline's.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, he did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Years ago. Maybe like six, Maybe like eight years ago. And what a treat I got to open for him at the fucking Gramercy. Not Gramercy. The Beacon. Yeah, and then Mateo just did Carnegie Hall. Girl Fear, which, can I give a really. A really controversial take? Carnegie hall is kind of ugly. Like, it looks kind of ugly.

[Monet X Change]

I wouldn't say it's okay. It's just. It's a haul.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's an opinion, and my opinion is that it's kind of ugly. I mean, your opinion that it'd be that it's not that it's not ugly, but there's no. There's no proscenium, which is one of my big issues with Carnegie Hall. There's no proscenium. So it's just from the floor to the ceiling, which, by the way, is very, very high. There is no code.

[Monet X Change]

But it makes for great sound, though. It makes for a great sound, I'm sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, you know, some. Somehow they have great sound over at Radio City, too. Somehow they have great sound at. At the. At the. At the. The Winth. In fact, I'll tell you the other one when we get back. When we get back. Quick question. Can you name four Broadway theaters?

[Monet X Change]

The Shubert, and. That's all I got.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can name the Winter Garden.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Gershwin.

[Monet X Change]

The Gershwin for where Wicked is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Hirschfeld and the Palace. I could probably name a few more if I thought hard enough.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, no, I don't. I don't. I don't. I didn't frequent Broadway shows. I saw Broadway shows here, and that. Did not frequent shows a lot, so it's not something that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Minskoff, the Amsterdam.

[Monet X Change]

Did you go see a lot of Broadway shows when you lived in New York? Like, you go all the time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What would you say is a lot? I would say more than 10.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I was gonna say like one a month.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, not one a month. No. No. That's very expensive.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but I brave told me that you was. You. You were. You were the toast of the town, honey. You could afford to see one a month.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was. Toasted the town. But I, I. But I'm also working at the same time. These shows are going on true, you know, except Saturdays and Sundays and Fridays and I was trying to rest. You didn't work Saturday, Sunday, Friday, Friday. I didn't work Fridays and Saturdays.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I'm gonna say Sunday.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I worked Sunday through. We did look Queen together Sunday for years. I worked Sunday through Thursday.

[Monet X Change]

Right. Damn. Five days a week I've been trying to explain to people about like that, okay, here's, here's a thought I had. And I really think New York could really benefit from this. And I just don't understand why it hasn't happened. I think that bars in New York City should start a salary right. You have somewhere like Hardware or like Justin and them. They have Hardware Pieces Playhouse and this new bar balcony. That's four bars. If you put girls on salary and they can rotate between working these four bars, like you're like a. It's better for the queens and it's also. And also benefits the bar. Cause you're creating less competition because you're having these girls that are only working in your network of bars and they're committed and devoted to you like making like actual programming for. Specifically for your bar. And then. And for the queens, they have, like, they have. They can negotiate a salary that's that, that is competitive and they feel taken care of and not just. And they, and they don't feel as disposable as just week to week, month to month. You know what I mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you negotiate a salary when you, when you're working for one employer? I mean, you can negotiate one employer, but like, I don't know. You know, I worked for a lot of. I worked for probably four or five different companies and bar owners. I worked at two of Bob Pontarelli's restaurants bars. I worked at two of Justin's bars and I worked at what's his name from Boosie Monster. Robert.

[Monet X Change]

Robert.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Miguel from the Monster and who used to own therapy.

[Monet X Change]

Was his name Tom?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Tom.

[Monet X Change]

Tom, yeah, it was Tom.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I, I like bouncing around between bars and neighborhoods and getting different experiences and having different people. And also it gave me opportunities to work at places that I didn't get to normally work, like out in Queens or, or, or. But no parking, you know, or for

[Monet X Change]

you though, that's because you were a very popular queen. And you know, and you know, you and I are not like everyone. Say it again. I was what you and I were in really peak positions where we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I back to me, where we

[Monet X Change]

got to work, where we worked a whole lot and we got a lot of great opportunities. But for some girls that aren't as fortunate and don't have that same thing, like, I think that It's a benefit. Cause that happens a lot in Southern bars, right? Like you'll have like the Rose Room where they put you on salary and you're on staff there and you have three or four gigs a week and you have like your fucking state. And if you are someone like Justin and them, you are working in multiple neighborhoods. They have bars in all the neighborhoods. Well, except for Chelsea, they have one. And they have two bars downtown in the Village and they have two in Hell's Kitchen. So you are seeing different. And the audience you get at fucking on 8th Avenue is be sometimes very different than the 10th Avenue folk. So you are getting like a diverse experience. And you can say, and then if Bob Pontarelli. And then. And then when your contract is up, maybe do like a two year contract with that company. Like you can like negotiate. Do you want to. Do you want to continue on with them? Or then. Or maybe Bob Pontarelli will like, hey, I want to offer you $60,000 a year now. And then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then. That was Southern bars, they be in bar wars, girl.

[Jacob Ritz]

Who.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Straight up. Bar war. The southern bars, they be in bar wars. Southern bars.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, baby.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you go to the other bar, you will. You don't. Don't even say foot in here again. They've been like, they're the Bloods in the Crips. Like, they'd be wild in these streets. And, and. And there's a lot of. Well, when I was. I heard. I heard things have been a little different lately. But back in my day, you were able to go between bars and there was a camaraderie in the shows. The bars. The bars even work together. Back, back. Picking. My gay therapy intentionally started their shows before industry so that people could literally all walk from one bar to the next and industry start their show later so they wouldn't cannibalize one another.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, and it was great. And it was like that up until I. We started to help and also. But on time. What.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know who I blame?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I mean, New York shows are pretty good at starting on time. Most New York shows are really good at starting.

[Monet X Change]

Except Jasmine Rice. Jasmine Rice will start a show late with the last thing she do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know who I blame for like kind of the bars competing with each other? Oh, who should I say his name?

[Monet X Change]

We are in our. Say we are in our Sierra Robert

[Bob the Drag Queen]

from Boots and Saddle.

[Monet X Change]

Well, it was Boots and Saddle, but it worked for Boots and Saddle, though, because Boots and Saddle was. Y'.

[Advertisement Voice]

All.

[Monet X Change]

Boots and Saddle was crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

From Monday, it Worked for them, but not for anyone around them. It didn't work for the Monster and it didn't work for the Stonewall. It didn't work for. Where are the other clubs in the area at the time? It didn't work for Rock Bar. It didn't work for Rock Bar. Pieces. Yeah, pieces. Because what's happening is there was never. Not a show. I had never seen like this in my life.

[Monet X Change]

How long? Because when I came on the scene, that was already like, the model. How long had that been going on, though? But also when. When I started doing drag more, it got crazier. They started adding shows at like three o'clock in the afternoon. I was like, this is nuts.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe, like, it started like. So I started the scene in 2009, and boots and Saddle didn't even have shows every day of the week. I used to do a Tuesday show there. I used to do a Tuesday night show there. And then I was working there for a while, and then I switched to Thursdays. And then one day they were like, there's a show after yours now. And it was like. And I was like, okay. And it was. What's that girl's name? She. She was like a zoologist and she. And shetamine bitch. Who? No, no, no. Her name was Portia Pink.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yes, Portia. The one that can sing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, you're thinking Portia live. Yeah, Portia Pink was this, like, random zoologist who was also. Or botanist or something. She did some kind of, like, wildlife science, according to you.

[Monet X Change]

She was a petrologist.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A petrologist, yeah. The study of rocks. Petrology.

[Monet X Change]

No, that's not. Geology is a study of rocks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, petrology is the study of rocks. Yeah, Clickety clack on your little. Your little. Your little. Your little stones and stuff. Study of stoning and it's petrology. Okay, yeah, okay to you.

[Monet X Change]

And also the science of rocks, nigga.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, Negra. But anyway, so Portia Pink and. And then this was like. This was maybe 2000, 11, maybe 12. And then right around 20, like 14, 15, they were like, now there's a show. Now there's a show before yours. Bootsy Laferris now does a show before you. And it was. Since then, it was just.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, and y' all just. It wasn't just his night. That model was go for, like, Sunday to Sunday to Sunday. Like, every show, there was a show after a queen and then before a queen. Not just Thursdays, every night of the week.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And by the way, when I say after and before, I need you all to know that. What I mean is like, if my show ended at. My show ended strictly. Strictly at 8:59. Because at 9:00 clock, Portia Pink was on stage.

[Monet X Change]

That shit was wild.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was like. And you couldn't go over even a second and you couldn't start and you couldn't be late even a minute.

[Monet X Change]

It was kind of fierce, though, like that, like, rolling into show, I will say of the craziness of it, I thought that was fierce that they. Because who was the bitch that was the head bitch in charge? Victoria. What is her name?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Victoria Chase.

[Monet X Change]

Victoria Chase. She was the madam.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was the HBO very much house mother. Very much a real. A true house mother. I would say of all the girls in New York City who act like house mothers, I think that Victoria Chase was the most house mother y of all of them. Then I would say next was me.

[Monet X Change]

No, but then Chaquita Shaquita is a house mother down the house of hall.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not like me. No, Sweet is more of a house mother than I. But okay, the house mothers were really me, Holiday Shaquita, who? Well, low key over at Low Key at Look, Queen. But we were unruly. But her children. But we weren't her kid. When we say house mother, we don't mean they were like our parents. They weren't like our drag moms. They were the entertainment managers. They were the drag managers. They booked the shows and all that stuff.

[Monet X Change]

I did not know Holly did that in Monster. I really did not know that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, Holly, no, no, not the monster I meant, okay? Holiday was. Holiday was just. Holiday was just the director of Queen, is what it was. She did one night, by the way, you know, Dallas Dubois coming back. She has like a weekly show I've done seen.

[Monet X Change]

Well, the gag is. I mean, can we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want to go. I can't wait to see it.

[Monet X Change]

I don't give a fuck. The gag is she had tried to. She had sued Holiday. And on Holiday is having her in her show. I saw that. I was like, sue her again.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was not Holiday show. It's Dallas's show, isn't it? Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

No, but no, Holly had her a queen. I saw the ad and I was like, she started to sue you, Pixie, Bootsy and Brenda. And you have this. Imagine. Imagine you trying to sue me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we'd be like, yeah, come and do some robbery. Honey, if I see you, if I sue you for anything, you're already in jail. What I'm suing you for is jail time, okay? That's what I'm suing you for, honey. And let me tell you, if I ever see Monet take it, say goodbyes to her, because I will have built a case. Bob, even Al Sharpton couldn't get her out of that. Honey, you would need you. You better call Saul.

[Monet X Change]

If I sue you, honey, you better call Saul the amount of. The amount of footages is I have on you. You gonna be under the jail scrubbing it, picking it clean with a damn fork.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Honey, Saul Goodman couldn't get you out of. You're gonna be like, what's the name? Tim Robinson and Shawshank Redemption crawling you out of jail.

[Monet X Change]

Honey, I don't know who Shawshank or the Redemption is, but I know that I will get you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You've never seen Shawshank Redemption?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet, how have you never seen Shawshank's Redemption? It's like one of the best movies.

[Monet X Change]

Have you ever seen How Stella Got Her Groove Back?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Of course I've seen. I still like to groove back. You think I just turned black yesterday.

[Monet X Change]

Have you ever seen one?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just found out about Angela Bass. You think I just found out about Angela Bassett and Taye Diggs yesterday, Bitch.

[Monet X Change]

Have you ever seen one? One. One coconut through the. To the left.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're making. You're making up movies right now. I can tell by the way you're stuttering of the name. What's called. What's it called again? Yeah. Light Ass bitch. Also, why would you think I haven't seen How Stella Got Her Groove? Why would. Why would How Stella Got Her Groove Back be the movie you try to catch me with? Because I'm millennial.

[Monet X Change]

You don't like. You don't you. You're not a rom com girly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, stalker. I don't want to call it a rom com.

[Monet X Change]

Sorry. Sorry. You're not. You're not a chick flick girl. Like, you don't want. You're not a chick flick girly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I'm not a chick flick girl, but I. But I did grow up watching movies. Like I said, I grew back and waiting to exhale, I would say they're of the same vein. You know what I mean?

[Advertisement Voice]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

They're both chick flicks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, they are. Yeah. Yeah. I used to watch chick flicks. I don't watch them anymore, but I used to watch chick flicks.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Wait, how do we gonna.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kate and Leopold was a banger back in the day. Honey, you didn't watch Kate Leopold.

[Monet X Change]

That was huge.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kate Leopold is a great movie.

[Jacob Ritz]

Viola Davis is in it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, It's a great movie.

[Monet X Change]

The fact that you think Leopold, I am, I am screaming inside.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is just so Kate and Leopold so much. I love it.

[Monet X Change]

But you've never seen the Notebook.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've seen the Notebook. I said I don't like the Notebook. I didn't cry. You don't like it. I wasn't crying like everyone else.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Shawshank's redemption is. I think it was also Morgan Freeman's breakout breakthrough role.

[Monet X Change]

No, it was like his own breakthrough 7.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, can you Google which one of those was first? What do you ask me one day

[Monet X Change]

about putting girls on staff? No. So you're. So you're saying do not go on staff. You're like, because. But again, take yourself out of the equation. Think about girls who don't have five gigs a week. Like, think about like that girl. Like the girl who has like two. And like how that can benefit them, like being on salary.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's just really hard for me to consider. Consider others.

[Monet X Change]

That is clear that now that is the truest statement you have ever made on this podcast.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For sure. It is not. You know, it's not true. I don't think it'd be. I don't think it'd be good for the culture of New York City. And I think that it would create more animosity between bars. And I think that once a girl wants to jump to another bar or even go patronize another bar, just be seen there. Like, girl, some of these. When I hear the stories of these bar wars down south and how the girls can even go to the other bars, especially not in drag. Because the joy of the of New York City for me was the bar hopping. It was going to every bar in full drag, leaving your gig and going to tip a gig girl at another gig or leaving your show and doing a spot at someone else's show. Oh, yeah, that was truly the joy of the nightlife for me.

[Monet X Change]

I still like that though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You get like, you pop in 20, your friends show they will let you do a number you could leave with an extra like $60 for from two. One or two numbers. And if you turn, turn the pussy for two numbers, you could easily clear $120.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, for sure. But like, but to your point, though, the competition gets is so wild. They're like, the bars don't play like that anymore. It's, it's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I cannot believe there are so many drag queens right now. There are so many drag queens. It's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

So many bars. There's so many bars. There's in the past, I. I've heard

[Bob the Drag Queen]

of four of them.

[Monet X Change]

I can only name two right now. The Hush. No, three, Hush. Balcone and Verse. But that one that I saw you. That are me and RC and Dewan. Saw you at that. That bar. There's so many bars that opened up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I randomly ran into Kimchi and. Who's the guy from Try Guys? Eugene.

[Jacob Ritz]

Eugene.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just, like. I was walking the street. I was like, oh, Kim, Eugene, what's going on?

[Monet X Change]

Where?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Recently, they were leaving Verse. Recently I run into the girls. Huh. This was during Pride.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I think Jake was dressed in some fucking slut. He was dressed so slutty.

[Monet X Change]

Eugene. It was Pride, girl. Of course he was. He's hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was not judgment. That was admiration. I was liking what I was seeing.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I see that you met your little crush. You went to their show. I said, oh, she's stepping out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was. It was a great show. Yeah. You know, I was like, hey, how y' all doing? It was a very good show. So insanely talented. You all don't get to go see. If you don't go see Duran Bernard. You're wild. Duran Bernard has just some. If you. Also, great walking around town music. If you want to walk and vibe. One thing I don't, it's. There's a lot of weed smoking references, which whenever I hear weed smoking, I get taken out because I'm like, I don't do that. It just doesn't speak to me normally. But really, really beautiful music.

[Monet X Change]

And I saw him a vocal.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A vocal gymnast.

[Monet X Change]

His voice is. Is insane, you know? You know he used to do BGBS for Erykah Badu.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know.

[Monet X Change]

I saw him live at DB's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Don't ever use terminology like that again with us. Don't try to be industry cool.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway, background vocals.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I saw that again.

[Monet X Change]

I saw him live at the lgbt.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cough like a kindergartner. Cover your mouth. What is going on? Cough like a 4 year old.

[Monet X Change]

My microphone. This is my microphone. This is MySpace.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not MySpace. We're on YouTube right now.

[Monet X Change]

No, actually, we're on. And today I want to shout out people who are getting their cars washed. If you're washing your car listening to this, hey, we gonna have like two people because.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you listen to. Do you listen to you?

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you watch your own car?

[Monet X Change]

I take it to the place when I'm waiting to be like 45 minutes. Yes. Bob. I patronize small businesses.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't. Hell no.

[Monet X Change]

I patronize small business. Businesses. So I can help. So I can stimulate the economy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet said, hell, no. Hell, no.

[Monet X Change]

The last time I washed my car was my dad's car when I was, like, 7 years old in our driveway. That was the last car I washed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't wash my car either. You are such a fucking. Where would I wash my car? I don't have a hose.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, your building has a hose in the thing. I've seen. I've been to your building. I've seen someone washing their car.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, not washing the car.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, I have. In that back alley. The one. Did you exit out of that probably?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I don't think we have access to that. No, I drop it off to get Washington time. I need to get a wash sometimes. But the thing is, I'd be gone for so long, and I'd be home for, like, three days. I'm like, I don't want to spend one of these days washing the car. Bob.

[Monet X Change]

It's 45 minutes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said what? I said, what?

[Jacob Ritz]

You just have to sit outside the washing station for 45 minutes?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, well, yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You have to, like, leave. Like, you can't. You have. That's the thing about doing. You have to, like, find something to do, like walk, get an Uber, go somewhere. I do.

[Monet X Change]

Listen.

[Jacob Ritz]

Rivalry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

On the way to. On the way to our management's office, there is a great. It's a great strip of walking. I love that walk. Actually, I've never done it, but it looks like it'd be fun. I'm afraid I've never actually taken that walk ever, but it looks like it'd be a great area to walk in. There's a big parking lot over by the.

[Jacob Ritz]

Elaborate on that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's a strip mall in this one area with a huge parking lot, which I love, but it's also residential as well. So, like, one side of the street is, like, restaurants and, like, businesses, and the other side is, like, these houses and apartments that. Which look really, really cool. I love walking through neighborhoods. When we were rehearsing. Just be careful, Long Island. We was rehearsing for in Long Island. I loved walking in the neighborhood. That neighborhood was so. I felt so safe. Except one time there was a dog, because it was. It was like a.

[Monet X Change]

Why are you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was just a big dog. Big dog's kind of scary.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, you mean like the big white bitch just in your fucking building? And then when she starts galloping like she's a fucking. Like she's a goddamn stallion, and you're like, monet, what's her Name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You be like that. Her name is. Her name is Lady.

[Monet X Change]

No, I call it. No, her name is Miss.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you know, I'll acknowledge Lady is a little much. And I. And they really don't reign lady in. And y'. All.

[Monet X Change]

I'm kidding. I get off the elevator and I walk into Bob's thing. And at the exact opposite end of the hall as me, this dog. And it's like, it's. It's like a Great Dane poodle. So it's about as tall as me and it is galloping at.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it's the standard poodle. I think it's a standard poodle.

[Monet X Change]

It is a very big size.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is a full size pool.

[Monet X Change]

Galloping at me just coming down the hallway.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No one is holding a chain. Running, running like running like Simba when he's trying to get back to Pride Rock. Literally, it was like.

[Monet X Change]

And the first time Bob did not alert me that this was an experience, I would have come as a thing. So I heard. I hear the dog before I see it. I'm thinking, what is this like stampede sound? So I go back to the elevator

[Bob the Drag Queen]

because I did really loud because the floor is like hollow in the area. So you can hear her. Like it was terrifying. Like, Lady, Lady. Lady. Lady has got. Lady has tried to. Lady tries to get into her home. Lady will try to get to her home. I feel like she's going to get back to ladies owners. But still lady tries to get to her home. Yeah, she does.

[Monet X Change]

It's wild.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then.

[Monet X Change]

And then also I forget to say this because of like la. Whatever, you can't. You don't really get cell reception in Bob's like, hallway. Like, wait till you get to the house with a WI fi. So I can't even text and be like, girl, I'm just like stuck in the fucking elevator. I have to like go back out the building to even contact you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lady is just. She's playful, but she's never like. She barks. Sometimes she does bark.

[Monet X Change]

Let me say something. What was that one time when you think the dog is fine and then they're not?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then.

[Monet X Change]

That's the gag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're right. I'm not advocating. Really? Which lady is not my dog? I don't have a dog. You act like, like, ladies. My fucking dog, bitch. I don't. I ain't bouncing for that goddamn dog. Pick it up with. Take it up with the people who live in that apartment, honey.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, so you're an advocate. So you think. You said, fuck these local bitches. Let them claw, steal, kill to get paid. Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it's good for the local queens to actually be able to go between bars. I don't think it's fucked the local bitches. I think it actually serves them better to be able to bounce between bars than it does to be bound to a few, actually. So what you're saying is you're advocating for big business.

[Monet X Change]

No, I'm not. No, I'm not. That puts more of the power in the girls so they can compete more, I think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How does that. How does it put power in the girl's hands to buy them?

[Monet X Change]

They can go to, like, if, if. If Bob the Dragoon is like, hey, so say, hey, Bob Ponni, Justin's offering me $70,000. He's like, Bob is like, no. Oh, no, I'll grow up. I'll pay you 85 if you work. If you. If you just work at my three places. Like that puts more power also. So also you get.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Whenever I work. Well, every single bar that I work at, I've been able to negotiate my pay, even on individual gigs. So the. The power of negotiation is still there. People can still negotiate their rates.

[Monet X Change]

But let me tell you something. The rate is still 1:50. These bars are still playing girls. $150, Bob. That was the standard when I was. When I first started what going on 11 years ago. That's still the standard. That's crazy. To me, it should at least be. The cost of living has more than what, doubled? Not doubled, but the cost of the week is drastically. Is drastically.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For outrageous claims that we are known for making on the bottom.

[Monet X Change]

Even in the past two years, how much the cost of living has increased? They could.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They could they.

[Monet X Change]

The standard should at least be $200 now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rent's actually going down in New York City a little bit.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know what? You know what? The most expensive city to live in America? What? Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is it Brooklyn still?

[Monet X Change]

No, it hasn't been in New York for a while.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

San Francisco?

[Monet X Change]

Nope. Close, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was it la?

[Monet X Change]

San Diego, Louisiana is second.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Interesting.

[Monet X Change]

San Diego, Louisiana. Then San Francisco. The top three. New York is not even in the top five. Isn't that crazy?

[Jacob Ritz]

I would.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would have not guessed that. And I didn't guess it. And I would have guessed it, and I wasn't able to. No, I think that it helps. I think it helps the girls to be able to move around. And also you can do those little guest spots. If girls are still even doing guest spots at each other's shows. I don't Know, you know, when I work at Chick Fil A, I mean, Jesus Chicken.

[Monet X Change]

You can say the name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just like saying Jesus Chicken. It's just funny to me, back in the day, we were paid. I was paid 5, 25 or $5.25 an hour, roughly, or 5, 13 an hour. And a number one was about 513. I had to work for one hour to be able to afford a meal. At Chick Fil A, the price of a number one has since doubled.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

More than doubled. But the minimum wage is still the same.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So how is your product twice as

[Monet X Change]

much,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

but the pay isn't twice as much?

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I will say of all the restaurants I worked at, they actually treat their employees. I hate to give them any benefit. They. They treat their employees really well compared to other restaurants. Like, if. If you work. If you. If you manage Chick Fil A for a really long time, they will. They will buy you a Chick Fil A. And if you work there for enough years in high school, they will pay for your college work. Isn't that crazy? And I started my 401 when I worked at Ruby Tuesday.

[Monet X Change]

You love a Ruby Tuesday. I don't what I. Another thing I really wish we would change is we pay bartenders and waiters a living wage like they do in Europe and in Australia and everywhere else. And then so that when they do get tipped so they have a chance to make even more bank. Right. If you're paying them like a fair wage, first of all. And then we get. And then we tip them for a really good service as well. Like, why can't they make bank? Like, that would be fair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The tips would go down, though. There are. There are some restaurants that do pay a wage. Like a Waffle House doesn't pay. So when you work at a restaurant, you can. They can get away with paying below the minimum wage. Because when I worked, I got paid $2 and 13 cents in an hour, 213 an hour. To work at or to work at. I used to get checks that were literally $0. And. But at Waffle House, they pay you minimum wage or above.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I think it would be fair if we paid like, you know, you go in Australia or somewhere and you tip them on top of that. They're like. They're like. It feels like even to them, like you. I feel like you get, like, an even bigger reaction. They're like, oh, shit, I'm making a living wage. And you really. You tip me, like, even on top of that, like, they really get off on them. Like what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, you see them being, like, grateful for the tips or something.

[Monet X Change]

Like, they'll be like. Or like. Like, for example, when I went to Daishum in Australia and I had. And I had luncheon, I tipped on top of was like, oh, wow, thanks, man. Well, I. I can't do it on Australian accent. Don't even ask me to try to do an Australia accent.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right. M. Thanks. Thanks a lot. M. It was great. Appreciate it.

[Monet X Change]

I'm like, yeah, no problem. And then that was it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So are you tipping for the reaction?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you tipping?

[Monet X Change]

I'm not tipping because I. I'm doing it. I'm doing it because I want to. I want to feel you praise me for tipping you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Honestly, it's low key giving that. You're being funny, but it's low key giving that.

[Monet X Change]

I'm dead.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think you're saving.

[Monet X Change]

I'm dead.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Saving them from.

[Monet X Change]

I'm a savior. I am a. I am. I am black savior. The black savior.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't think. You don't think Jesus was black?

[Monet X Change]

He was not. No one. No one. Only. Only. Only a white person can be that damn mean and nasty and cruel.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you think Jesus was white?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She said there's no way Jesus could have possibly been Asian.

[Monet X Change]

Black folk people have colored on the propensity to be that mean.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Even though Jesus was literally born in Asia, you don't think he could possibly be Asian?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Even though he was literally born in Asia?

[Monet X Change]

I didn't say that. You said that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No one ever talks about the fact that Jesus is Asian. No one's having this conversation. Why is no one having the conversation that Jesus is Asian?

[Monet X Change]

Because that's not how he was described. He was described as being dark with, like. He's described as literally out of olive skin.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't think Asians can be dark? Interesting. Everyone in Cambodia, everyone in Thailand, all the Laotians, everyone from Laos, I don't know. This is. This is. That was Monet Exchange's voice.

[Monet X Change]

Monet think y' all stop lying. You be lying on the spot. Oh, by the way, y', all, y' all have really upped our reviews on the apps on Spotify and Apple. You guys have given us a lot of reviews recently, and I would please, please, please ask that y' all do some more. They really help us. Y' all don't understand how these really help us with the algorithm and getting more people to view and see our podcast and to enjoy it and love it just like you. So keep on sending us them reviews, girl. We really appreciate it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that's very kind of you all. Monday, before you go, do you want to acknowledge that Jesus is Asian? I want to.

[Monet X Change]

I will acknowledge that Jesus is a biscuit, and I'm going to sop him up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wow. You don't want an Asian having nothing. Remember?

[Monet X Change]

What's the name of Kenny Michaels? Jesus. Jesus is a bisque. Squeeze.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And on that note, y' all have a good day.