The One About Naomi Campbell vs. Anna Wintour

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – Episode: The One About Naomi Campbell vs. Anna Wintour

Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob The Drag Queen
Date: September 11, 2024

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Overview

In this lively, unfiltered episode of Sibling Rivalry, Monét X Change and Bob The Drag Queen dive deep into high fashion clashes, celebrity rumors, and iconic cultural moments. The duo takes on the alleged tension between Naomi Campbell and Anna Wintour, exploring questions of lateness, professionalism, and shade in the fashion world. Along the way, they detour into trending pop culture, reflect on the O.J. Simpson case and legal ethics, and debate everything from Fashion Week chaos to the etiquette of concert arrivals.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lateness and Shade: Naomi Campbell vs. Anna Wintour

• The meat of the episode centers on a viral Fashion Week moment where Anna Wintour publicly called out Naomi Campbell’s legendary lateness at an awards event honoring Campbell.
• Bob: "At some point, when are we going to say it might be Naomi Campbell? If Naomi Campbell has beef with Rihanna...with Anna Wintour...with Tyra Banks...maybe it’s Naomi Campbell?" [15:23]
• Monét: Defends nuance, questioning whether it was appropriate for Wintour to shame Campbell at her own celebratory event.
• The two debate whether repeated lateness is merely rude or actually "shady," and who holds ultimate responsibility for navigating well-known behaviors as collaborators and colleagues.

2. Fashion Week & Celebrity Culture

• Anecdotes surface about the chaos and ego-centrism of Fashion Week, with Monét sharing her own front row experiences and observations of how even A-listers like Beyoncé get mobbed.
• Monét: “Fashion Week is a lot. Even Beyoncé is getting pushed...crunching her up.” [13:42]
• Bob recounts attending the Coach Fall 2019 show, star-watching—including Anna Wintour and Megan Thee Stallion—and noting the sheer spectacle surrounding celebrity arrivals.
• The pair break down how media, audiences, and even celebs themselves interpret (and misinterpret) shade, rivalry, and exclusion at high-profile events.

3. Defining Shade, Rudeness, and Professional Etiquette

• Extended, entertaining debate on what constitutes "shade" versus "inconsiderate" or "rude" behavior:
  • Bob: “Shade doesn’t always have to be a sneaky dig...You know for a fact your behavior is going to affect everyone around you…that’s shady.” [24:26]
  • Monét: Maintains “being late isn’t the same as being shady—context matters, and so does intent.” [24:59]
• They land on the importance of self-awareness, professionalism, and the consequences of repeated behavior in public and work settings.

4. Concert Etiquette and "Who’s That Opener?"

• Side conversation about concert habits—when to arrive, whether to value opening acts, and Bob’s regret over missing the start of shows.
  • Bob: "I like to see the whole show, the opener informs the artist coming after. I want the full experience." [33:15]
  • Monét: is more casual, often skipping openers unless compelled by line-up.
• Hilarious example of Bob not recognizing Travis Scott as the opener for Kendrick Lamar and reflecting on the unpredictability of which artists might blow up later.

5. Legal Ethics in High-Profile Crime: The O.J. Simpson Case

• The O.J. Simpson trial comes up, with Monét questioning the moral calculus and legal ethics of defending someone who appears obviously guilty.
  • Monét: “When you are a lawyer...does he tell you he’s guilty?...But if you accept the case, you fight tooth and nail like they’re innocent. That’s wild.” [45:52]
  • Jacob (producer): Chimes in to clarify that lawyers generally build a defense without necessarily asking for a confession.

6. Justice, Punishment, and the Death Penalty

• Spirited debate about the logic and morality of capital punishment:
  • Bob: “If you kill someone, can the government kill you? ... I personally believe Supreme Court justices should only be allowed to serve one term, and it should be 10 years.” [54:42, 63:21]

7. Term Limits and Political Reform

• The hosts veer into politics, advocating for Supreme Court term limits and critiquing perennial political figures.
  • Monét: “There’s no reason why Clarence fucking Bitch Ass Thomas is still the fuck being there.” [63:23]
  • Discussion highlights gaps in their own civic knowledge, keeping humor and humility at the forefront.

8. Memorable Tangents

• Hair installs and living with a wig (“the easy pass to Wigtown” [04:52]),
• Social media rumors about celebrity feuds (“There’s always rumors that Kim K and Beyoncé hate each other...just people making shit up online.” [10:40]),
• Sacha Baron Cohen’s bizarre stunts and the ethics of prank entertainment,
• Childhood perceptions of law and authority, and
• Black Mirror/true crime moments involving passion and premeditated murder, and the mindset required to commit extremes like serial stabbings.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Monét on defending O.J. Simpson (explicit language):
  “...this nigga is guilty as fuck! But I’ve taken on this client, now I gotta fight for their innocence.” [45:52]

• Bob on lateness as character flaw:
  “If you just don’t be late, people won’t call you late.” [19:33]

• Bob, defining shade:
  "Shade doesn’t always have to be…sneaky...You know it’s gonna have a negative impact and you’re still doing it. That’s shady.” [24:30]

• Monét on Anna Wintour:
  “She is the Dark Phoenix of fashion. She raises careers, she lives.” [17:24]

• Bob, contemplating societal rules:
  “They just made up the rules and just said we have to follow them.” [53:18]

• On Supreme Court tenure:
  Bob: “I think that in my opinion, a Supreme Court justice should have one term…10 years.” [63:13]

• Bob's playful skepticism:
  “If you put a gun to my head and said, find that wig, I’d be like, can I call my friends and family?” [05:38]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Fashion/Naomi Campbell/Anna Wintour beef discussion begins: [12:22]
• Bob’s Coach Fashion Show and Anna Wintour story: [14:22]
• Anna Wintour’s “always late” public call-out: [15:23]
• Full debate: Calling out lateness—rude or justified?: [16:19–31:15]
• Concert etiquette & Travis Scott opener story: [33:02–39:18]
• Sacha Baron Cohen & O.J. Simpson, legal ethics: [40:30–48:46]
• Discussion of laws, societal rules, and death penalty: [53:18–58:33]
• Term limits and political stanning: [63:13]
• Ending: plans for election night coverage: [63:56]

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Tone & Style

As ever, Monét and Bob blend incisive commentary, dragged-out debates, and riotous playfulness. Their conversation is at once unserious and dead-serious, moving fluidly between culturally relevant moments, personal anecdote, and wry social critique. Language is candid, unapologetic, and frequently explicit, maintaining the duo’s signature authenticity.

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For New Listeners: Why Listen?

• Get the real tea on fashion’s biggest personalities and behind-the-scenes drama.
• Hear two of drag’s brightest stars openly grapple with social expectations, celebrity myth-making, legal gray areas, and morality.
• Enjoy a masterclass in comedic banter—in both friendship and friendly debate.

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Note: To dive right to the high-fashion debate, skip to [12:22]. For legal talk and O.J. Simpson, check out [45:52] onward. For the pop-culture/Fashion Week chaos, explore [13:42–16:19].

Transcript

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

my name is Bob the Drag Queen

[Monet X Change]

and I'm Monet X Change. And this is sibling rivalry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Today we find out the true secret about Kim Kardashian's hair.

[Monet X Change]

We talk about O.J. simpson and lawyer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we find out what made Monet say this. Yo.

[Monet X Change]

Like, this nigga is guilty as fuck. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is why I told you you don't have what it takes to be that girl. I don't think you have it in you.

[Monet X Change]

You're low key. Given Robert Downey Jr.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In

[Monet X Change]

Dropic Thunder because of this and the beret.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You are no Loki. No.

[Monet X Change]

You are Bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Who are you giving?

[Monet X Change]

I try to give Law Roach, but I'm giving more Law Ant.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was watching a Law Roach video right now. That's so crazy.

[Monet X Change]

He's so funny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did we just do a podcast with your eyebrows? Not done a second ago.

[Monet X Change]

I have my big glasses on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, so you didn't bother. So if y' all go back and watch the last episode, the one by the mcu, Monet did not have her eyebrows done. So go back and zoom in and clock that tee.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Can I tell you, I think in my day to day or like when I do events, I think I'm going to be. I'm going to become one of these girls. This is like, this is a kinky straight. What I want to do is get one. I'm going to get. I have my hot comb and stuff. I will like press it. So it's like, wait, am I just Entered. Oh yeah, I'll press it. So it's like flat. But I think I want to be one of these girls. Like when I'm in, you know, not in drag, but still want to feel the fantasy they're going to be one of these girls, you know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think you're about that life.

[Monet X Change]

I really am, Ty. I mean, I do it, I do it in full drag. Why can't I just.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that's drag, Monet.

[Monet X Change]

Why? I'm going to have to. It's just a wig.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is when you're surrounded by people who are handing you things. You are in air conditioning, you're not in the sun, the wind is not blowing. You are in a. You are being paid money. When we talk about a day to day, I don't think you're about that life. Not day to day.

[Monet X Change]

I said for an event.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, an event, sure.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like, I don't think you have what it takes to be in these streets day to day with a bus down. That takes a lot of commitment.

[Monet X Change]

I have so many anything you can do ideas for us. I want us, we have the gun range, we have the, what you call it the Tom. The hatchet throwing thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Axe throwing.

[Monet X Change]

Axe throwing. I want us to do. You and I are gonna go to the same day, same time, get a full on bust down installed and, and we have. And we'll do a vlog of the week of us living our life without bus down. Cause what with people who like get the full installs, I'm like, when you take the makeup off, like what's happening with the lace?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I think that you might need a little bit of hair to get an install.

[Monet X Change]

No, I've seen bald. I've seen, I've seen tiktoks of bald people doing it. You don't need to have hair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, if you're bald, why don't you just get a wig? Like, why would you need an install if you.

[Monet X Change]

Because you want to live with it all day. So do you. Like, that's when they like glue it down and like it's like fully like on. Like, you can't just ignore my wigs down. I'm saying. But like, no, you have to go to a place.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I could live with my wig if I wanted to. I could wear my wig literally all day long and it would not come off, it would not fly anywhere. But then I could like clean my head and I could like breathe at nighttime. I just.

[Monet X Change]

We have to keep it on. Never Touching it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I understand, but I just don't get. I don't understand why a bald person would not just put their wig on every day. I don't get it personally, because I

[Monet X Change]

think there's a different way that you install. Like Bold hold is different than Mastic speed, I think because you never worn your wig for more than 24 hours. I mean, you did your 24 hour stream.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I understand, but what I'm saying is putting on a wig on a day to day basis is so easy and it's really not that big of a deal. You're not really creating that much, especially when you're bald. Like when you are bald, you are. You have the easy pass to Wigville. Listen, my fellow baldies out there, we have it so much better than these people who have to braid their hair, pin their hair, put on wig caps, all that stuff. We have the easy pass to Wigtown.

[Monet X Change]

This is true. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I just don't know why you would go as far as to do an install when you just. When you just low key. Don't have to.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I, I don't, I don't live in these full bald. These full install lives. So I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sometime I wear a big kinky wig when I, When I go out to things. Like I have this big.

[Monet X Change]

The one that you used to wear that you. We talked when you were on the tour with Madonna.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I really love that wig. But I don't know where. I do not know where that wig is right now. That wig. If you put a gun to my head and said, find that wig, I'd be like, can I call my friends and family?

[Monet X Change]

You know, is there anything you, anything you can do you and I can engage in?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel like a lot of those I came up with. I just want to. Just want to throw that out there.

[Monet X Change]

The shooting range was not your idea. That was my idea. The ax throwing was your idea.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it was me challenging you to it. You and I were also supposed to do this decathlon. Whatever happened to the decathlon? It was supposed to be you and me versus Heidi and Jada. Did they do a podcast anymore?

[Jacob]

No, I believe they stopped.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah, they stopped. So I guess I don't know if they're still a unit like that. I know they're still friends, but it was supposed to be you and me versus Jada and now it's gotta be me and you versus Violet and Gottmik.

[Monet X Change]

And we would eat them Up. We would eat them up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's the dude that's gonna give us a run for our money?

[Monet X Change]

Trixie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Katie are both quite fit.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Trixie runs a lot. Katya is a gym bunny. Yeah, they'll probably give us a run. They'll probably give us the biggest run for our money.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I don't run, but I be in these streets power walking down when I'm on the treadmill. My. My incline to speed ratio is not a game. How the A15 incline, running at 5, jogging at 5 miles an hour is impressive.

[Monet X Change]

That's what I do. I do 15 incline at 7.5. Do you? I do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just got evidence or didn't happen.

[Monet X Change]

I just got a treadmill.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Evidence or it didn't happen. For how long?

[Monet X Change]

I do start. I do what you call it. Wouldn't you change it up intervals? Intervals. There we go. I do. So the incline stays at 15. I'll run for two minutes, walk for three. Oh well. 7.5 to 4.7. I'm sorry, footages. 7.5. Then I go down to 4.7. 7.5.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want footages.

[Monet X Change]

Nigga, I don't got to prove nothing to you. I am in these. I am.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Very well, in that case, I'm running it. I'm doing a 25 incline and I'm running at 1,000 miles an hour.

[Monet X Change]

First of all, they don't. They don't go up to 25 incline.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So that's not yours. I have a nice one.

[Monet X Change]

You do not have and 25. No treble 25.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't have to prove anything to you. Mine is at a 50 incline and I run a th000 miles an hour.

[Monet X Change]

Now you're just being ridiculous, cuz. Literally no treadmill goes up to 725.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This mine goes to 50 and I run a th000 miles an hour. And I don't have to prove anything to you. So. Mic, my. My source is your source.

[Monet X Change]

Trust me, bro, My source is your source and your source is my source.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I will say this is why I probably feel like you should not be doing this hair. And I noticed when I wear that braided long wig, I'm. It's too much. I'm doing this too much.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I could have it all back, but I just don't like it all back.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But honestly, I do feel like constantly touching your hair is really distracting the people who are like watching you. Maybe in real life is fine, but like in like a podcast or if you're on A red carpet. Someone who's constantly touching their hair. It is so annoying to look at. It's like. It's like seeing a comedian or a host reading notes from their cell phone. I'm like, write it down on a piece of paper.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know, when I was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't want to see you doing this during a show. Our next. Our next comedian, go write it down on a piece of paper.

[Monet X Change]

When I went to one time when I just went to the View as a civilian, because I used to just go to the View and Kim K. Was on there for one of the days I was there. And like during. She was there for two segments. So when she first came out, they brought her out and then her hair person came, fixed up her hair and she did the first segment which was seven minutes long. And like within that seven minutes, her hair got fucked up again, had to come back on.

[Commercial Voice]

And.

[Monet X Change]

And then so like between, like you see someone like Kim K. And one of the Kardashian, whatever you think, oh, their shit's probably all perfectly done. The kind of hair they'd get is so perfect they don't need to touch it up a bitch every five seconds. They were touching her up to fixing it up because that's just how hair be doing sometimes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, you mean. But not. They only touch it up once.

[Monet X Change]

Three times came out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They stopped the segment to touch it out.

[Monet X Change]

No, she first came out. She. She did. She didn't. She it one of the time when she didn't start a segment live. Like when. When it came back in, she was sitting in her seat. But as a studio audience, we saw her come out. So did that make sense?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that makes. I mean that feels pretty standard. Like having someone touch you. I mean on, on set for sure. That seems pretty standard. That like you. When you go somewhere, they are. They are touching you until. Until they tell you like, scatter for the cameras. Someone is literally up in there like judging. But. But I will say that when to events. There's no one like constantly shing your hair.

[Monet X Change]

They are though. You don't see that. So if you watch. Do you don't. Have you ever. You never watch a Kardashians before?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Monet X Change]

Right. You see because you. They. I think that's something they do to kind of normalize themselves. And I'm just like everyone else. Like, you see, Chris Appleton is constantly like when she's at. When she's at award shows, is constantly adjusting this business wig or hair. I don't know, whatever she's wearing at that Point. Like it is constantly happening all the time. Huh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's wearing sacred, you think?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know if I know. I don't. There's always rumors that Kim K and Beyonce hate each other. I'm like, that's probably literally not true in any way, shape or form. Like, it's just people just making shit up online for no reason.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would have. I would have no way of knowing that.

[Monet X Change]

I wouldn't even know that competition after Beyonce had Blue IV on thing. Kim wanted to have north in that Lion King thing. Like, it's like all of that. I'm like, no, it's probably just happened.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I have never even considered that. And. And I certainly. And I. And I don't know much about Kim Kardashian, but I don't think that she would think that having north perform at the Hollywood bowl for a one night only event would be some comparison to taking your child on a world tour. I don't think she would clown herself like that. I don't think she'd be like, yeah, take that, Beyonce. I think that she probably just had her kid go do a thing.

[Monet X Change]

You know, Imagine how it is to be a celebrity kid and be able to like, for Madonna, right, Have her kids getting to be on her tour and like perform for all these people every night. Blue Ivy getting to perform for 80,000 people every night. Well, not every night, but nights of the show. That is. That's fucking fierce, bitch. Fierce, fierce.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's so fierce about it?

[Monet X Change]

So fierce to have that experience at such a young age. Something that many performers, entertainers, wish it could ever have. And so many artists are striving to get to that point and because of the access of your parent, who they are, you get to do it. You know what I mean? That's fierce.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's such an interesting take.

[Monet X Change]

Fierce, fierce, fierce, fierce, fierce, fierce.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But yeah, I don't know if Kim Kardashian and Beyonce hate each other.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would just. I haven't given it much thought, but maybe they. Maybe they're besties.

[Monet X Change]

There is this video of Rihanna because it's Fashion Week, New York, Fashion Week, and Rihanna is stepping out, popping out, and she. There's this clip of her. And again, celebrity rumors, right, that her and Naomi Campbell hate each other. They can't stand each other.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rihanna and Naomi Campbell, allegedly.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know if this is even true. I just saw it on the Internet. And so Rihanna's walking in this beautiful white, see through, wrap up thing and she walks, she says hi to the person next to Naomi. Or he stands up to greet her. And as she keeps on walking and doesn't say anything to Naomi, who's sitting here and law roaches sitting next to her and she just like walks past. But I'm like, people probably people read into so much shit. Maybe she was. Cause everyone was seated and Rihanna was walking in. Maybe she was late, she didn't have time to stop, pop and say hi to everybody. Like she just probably like the man stood up, she greeted him. She probably had to get to her seat. Cause the show's gonna start. Cause I did New York Fashion Week last year and let me tell you something, that shit is fucking wild. Now. I'm a nobody compared to all these celebrities and shit that be in New York Fashion Week. But it is fucking chaos at those things. You sit down, you have your, your designated seat. I was got to sit in the front row. Anyone in the front row with all the celebrities. Everybody's like pushing, prodding, trying to get their own pictures fucking. You look at that picture of Beyonce and her mom going to see her nephew in that show last year. And even Beyonce is getting pushed. Beyonce gotta be. Beyonce's sitting like this with her bags. People are crunching her up. So like Fashion Week is a lot. I, I, I, I can't. It is. Oh, have you done a Fashion Week before?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I went, I went to one. I went to the coach fall 2019.

[Monet X Change]

It was hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is why I say you don't have what it takes to be that girl.

[Monet X Change]

This is too hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is why I told you. You don't have what it takes to be that girl. I don't think you have it in you.

[Monet X Change]

Hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I really don't think you have it in you.

[Monet X Change]

It's hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But yeah, I think that. Sorry, I forgot what I was saying. I have not seen this Jacob, by the way. I have not seen the Naomi Campbell. I went to her father.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, no, wait. You were saying that you went to the Coach Fashion Show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh yeah, I went to the Coach Fashion Show. It was like a lot of influencers. Anna Wintour was there. Actually I saw Ana Wintour there. And at the very, the show was like supposed to start on time, but it was started like five minutes late. But they were holding for someone. They were holding for someone. And then when that someone showed up, there were just like paparazzi lights just flashing around her. She couldn't like, it was like she was walking just surrounded by lights flashing like non stop flashing. Was it it was really intense and crazy to watch. I could see was her ponytail, like, bobbing above, like, everyone. And then she went to sit down in her seat. It was Megan Thee, stallion work.

[Monet X Change]

Megan D. Megan D. So, yeah, so the Naomi Campbell, Anna Wintour. So Naomi Campbell was being awarded with a lifetime achievement or something at some fashion show or some fashion event. Anna Wintour was. Anna Wintour was presenting it to her. And then Anna says this. I'm going to send it to you because it's. You should listen to it.

[Commercial Voice]

It's.

[Monet X Change]

It's very funny to talk about, you

[Bob the Drag Queen]

know, I got to say this, and I don't know Naomi Campbell, but at some point, when are we going to say it might be Naomi Campbell? If Naomi Campbell has beef with Rihanna, If Naomi Campbell has beef with. On a Win tour, If Naomi Cam has beef with. With Ty Banks? At what point are we going to say, oh, it might be Naomi Campbell?

[Monet X Change]

I just sent. It's really quick. I just sent it in the group chat. Watch it really quick. I am a very cultural person, and I have the honor of presenting tonight to someone who is often late. So Samir has agreed to step in for me because unfortunately, I have to leave after I've said everything that I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

would like to say. Everything's meant to work out for me. It's meant to work out. It wasn't my choice to have the other lady. I'd much rather have this.

[Commercial Voice]

So thank you.

[Monet X Change]

I have to speak my truth.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've always been on. So. Okay, so it seems like, you know, here's the thing. If someone is always late, is it rude to call them out for it? Is it.

[Monet X Change]

I think there's a time and place. I think not at the. Not, not. Not. Not at when she's getting her award or is she getting this honor? Like. Like, Like, I think. I think Anna didn't have to say that in that, like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But

[Monet X Change]

yeah, she'd have to be late. But also, it is a time and place. I don't think Anna Wintour had to say it then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is the time and place? Not.

[Monet X Change]

Not when I'm being awarded for my thing at my award ceremony.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But now Anna Wintour's whole day has been affected. So everyone's watching. You have to shift your whole thing because this person's late. Right? So everyone's watching you struggle. Everyone's watching you make it up on the fly because someone's late.

[Monet X Change]

But she's not making up. She's reading. She's not making anything up on the fly. And also

[Bob the Drag Queen]

she didn't get to introduce her because she had to leave. Anna Wintour was like, I have to leave. So I'm not even. I'm actually not introducing her, so I'm going to leave. And then someone else introduced Naomi Campbell.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but Anna Wintour is someone like, Anna Wintour has a huge team. Whatever. Anna Wintour could have been, like, pulled out of doing the thing or just not done the thing because Naomi's late. Like, leave for your event. Anna Wintour is one of the most. Not one of the most. Probably the most. The biggest name in fashion. Everyone knows who fucking Anna Wintour's name is. Like, Anna Wintour, literally, she is the dark phoenix of fashion. She raises career. She lives. Anderson can be like, I'm not doing this. I have to go. I can't do this thing. And someone else would have presented Naomi Campbell and said she chose to get up there and say that. Now, I agree. Naomi Campbell apparently is always late. This is this. Everyone is fighting with Naomi. Everyone. But I don't think any winter had to do with that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In that moment, I don't blame her. If I have been waiting for you at this point for 30 years, honestly, fuck you. I've been waiting for you for 30 years. But I gotta shut up. Cause if you're always late every fucking time, and I just tell people you're late, how about you don't be late and I won't tell people you're late. But also, great idea. You don't be late all the time. And I won't tell people that you're always late.

[Monet X Change]

But also, at this point, you know what you're getting into. That's like people who go out with someone who's always late and is surprised. Nigga, you know what? You were signing up for Anna Wintour, you know, you should not have accepted to introduce this bitch. Cause you've been working with her for 30 years and she's always late. So why would you even accept the gig? Just say, you know what? I'm good. I'm good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm a team Wintour. Don't be late.

[Monet X Change]

I'm good. I'm like, you know what? I, I, I'm. Thank you so much for asking me. I'm not. I, I, I can't. I can't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not that she doesn't have respect for Naomi Campbell. It's just that. It's just that Naomi Campbell is always late. Like, like, I, I have a lot of respect for a lot of people who are always late, but there are certain Things where I'm like, I still want to work with them, but I will prioritize what makes sense for me. So, like, if we have to go to a movie and you're late, I'm just gonna say, I'll meet you there. You. I'll meet you there. Cause I know that you be.

[Monet X Change]

So then Anna Wintour been like, I will not present this. Cause she's gonna be late. And I have something after that. Anna Wintour knew about this commitment probably weeks, months before it actually happened. So you're like, you know what? I can't present Naomi because I know she's gonna be late. And I have to be this thing afterwards. So thanks for asking me to do it. I can't do it, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want Anne Ortour's side. Just don't be late. If you just don't be late, people won't call you late.

[Monet X Change]

You know, your friends are like, I have friends who I know who are. We have friends who we know who are gonna be late. And we. So.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I told them when they're late.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but again, but we don't. But we don't put them in positions that are gonna impede you or are going to, like, do your thing. Like, like you said, like, when your friends are late, you're like, you know what, girl? Meet me at this time. The show is gonna go on without you. The boat is leaving at this time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You have to.

[Monet X Change]

Let's go into the movies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But like, for example, if my late friend wants to be awarded something and they are my friend, I'm going to go. But these are also like my close friends. I also have acquaintances who I respect or colleagues who I respect. And I'm like, yeah, this bitch is always late, but I'm still gonna go. Cause I like her, I like him, I like what they do. And I want to be able to be able to support them. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but we don't know. Like we said, like, I doubt their friends. They seem to be business office partners, office buddies. It doesn't seem like Anna Wintour and Naomi Campbell, especially after how many years of being in the industry together. So I think that when I have friends who are acquaintances, like, if I just do my thing, I know I'm gonna govern myself accordingly, knowing how the person behaves. Now if you are someone. My best friend is always late. I'm gonna make concessions for that. Right? Like, I'm gonna probably be late to the next thing. Cause I really wanna do this thing for you or whatever. But an Acquaintance. If Plasma is always late to a thing, and I know Plasma has a history of always being late. She's an acquaintance. Like, I'm gonna be like, I can't present Plasma with this award today because I have to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if Valentine actually presents a world where you'd be like, I'm not gonna do it because she's always late.

[Monet X Change]

Valentina.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, Valentina. Who's notoriously late. Violet Chachki, notoriously late. If your manager called you up and said, hey, could you. Violet Toschki wants to be presented this award, and she really wants you to do it, will you please present it? You're gonna tell me right now that you'd be like, no, I'm not doing it.

[Monet X Change]

There's stipulations. What am I doing afterwards that I have to run to? What is this event? If it's nothing. I was saying do it. Yeah. Cause there's nothing. Anna Wintour had something. She had something that was very important she had to do afterwards.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did she say she has. Or maybe Anna Wintour just did. Also, if you. If your next thing is you just don't want to wait, that is valid. If you're like, I don't have anything. I just don't want to wait for you.

[Monet X Change]

For sure. But that was Anna Winto's case. She said she had something. She's like, I had to run to this thing afterwards.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you're telling me right now, if Valentina or Violet Josqui asks you, can you please. Can you please present an award for me? You're going to be like, I'm not doing that shit. I got something to do.

[Monet X Change]

If I have something important to it, I have to. If I have to film Monet's slumber party or.

[Jacob]

Or.

[Monet X Change]

Sibling rivalry has a thing that. That is more important. Sorry, I can't do it. But if it's. I'm just going to this party, I'm drinking cocktails, I'm hanging out at this award show. Yeah, sure, whatever. I don't care. I'm going to be fucking blitzed anyway. Interesting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's. That's. That's a good mental note to have.

[Monet X Change]

Good. I'm happy you have that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And it also seems pretty well documented that Naomi Campbell is just not nice. This is, like, well documented. What is the. The. The. Oh, my God, I like her so much. The. The influencer.

[Monet X Change]

Who. Drew Alo?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Monet X Change]

Which. Congratulations to Drew Alo. She just got engaged with her boo,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

and she has a New York Time bestseller.

[Monet X Change]

I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Work girl.

[Monet X Change]

She's really.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What Is her name she. Hold on one second.

[Jacob]

Tell me more about her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's an influencer. She's African. She used to do the thing where she eats the ch? Mabo.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, the one shade did on also Mimbo. Elsa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Elsa Majimbo has like pretty well documented on her page that, that Naomi Campbell's not nice. Like they. Like she. Like she was like kind of like she met her because she, she was like she had a close personal relationship with Naomi Camel. She was like, she was not nice to me. Like she. It is just like pretty well documented is just not nice for sure or not, you know, congenial, shall we say? You know, nice. Nice is. Is. Is a relative term or subjective. But congenial is pretty.

[Monet X Change]

You know, I mean she cracked her assistant's head open with her cell phone, threw at her. I never, I don't think like if,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

if, if you called. If you do something shady, you get called out for it. I, I don't care.

[Monet X Change]

I think. Well, we're. This, this is a different argument. We're not saying about calling someone for

[Bob the Drag Queen]

different things being lady shady.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but we're. But that's, but being shady. That's, that's. That, that, that is a vague thing. We're talking of someone who's always being late and someone who is presenting with a thing calling them out in that moment as opposed like when you didn't have to do the thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like that's what we're talking about. We're talking about the same thing. And I don't think it's in a. I just don't care that you think shady is alike.

[Monet X Change]

But being shady, there's a range of shady, right? Should I. Calling.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Calling.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. If you do a shady act, your shady act is not being late, but something else. Like there's a range of what that is. It's not being.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So let's talk about being late. So like for example, is being late shady?

[Monet X Change]

That's not shady.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, it's very inconsiderate. It's very inconsiderate.

[Monet X Change]

It's not shady.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And it feels shady to me. Like shade doesn't always have to be some sort of like a super sneaky dig. It's like it's not considerate. You're not thinking about the people around you. You know for a fact that your behavior is going to affect everyone around you and you're still doing it. You know, it's going to have a negative impact and you're still doing it. That's shady. It doesn't have to be like shady for me. It doesn't always have to be like something like sneaky. Like, like, like if, like, like if you, if, if I call you a bitch, why are you acting shady? Like, why are you being mean to me? You know what I mean? Sometimes shade is like a side is

[Monet X Change]

a, like shade has multiple reasons, like multiple definitions. Like, I think there's a, there's something like colloquially like it just, it's evolved in many different ways. Like from queer people and now straight people use it in a certain way. I think shady. There's a range of shady.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But we're not going off in a conversation about what shady means. We're talking about lateness being rude. It is rude. It is very inconsiderate and it does not have any. And if you're, if you're someone who's constantly late, you know that you are negatively impacting all of the people around you.

[Monet X Change]

Agreed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now when you're with someone who is constantly doing it. Constantly doing it.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For years. Now we're talking for decades I've had it. And I don't care if everyone knows. And I don't care when people know. Who cares? Don't be late. You get to be late for 30 years. But I can't get up and tell everyone you're late.

[Monet X Change]

But you also.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't care where it is. And I don't care where it is.

[Monet X Change]

But you're choosing, but you're choosing to put yourself in that position. You did not win the war.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm choosing to tell it when you're late.

[Monet X Change]

But like you know, you know the 30 year career being eight and you're choosing that, you're choosing this like you did not have to do it. You could have stitch your ass in your black card, go to your next thing you're choosing. You're putting yourself in that position, right? You're actually making that choice to tell

[Bob the Drag Queen]

everyone that you're always.

[Monet X Change]

Which is ridiculous. And I think that you, I'm just

[Bob the Drag Queen]

more intrigued by that. You take more umbrage with someone pointing out someone's lateness than you do with, or even showing up than you do

[Monet X Change]

with a lateness because you're choosing to do the thing that is a different story.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you're choosing to be late.

[Monet X Change]

And you're choosing, but you're choosing to be a part of it. Like you're choosing to be a part of the lateness with me by agreeing to do this thing knowing for 30 years that I'm gonna be Late.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it's also not a. It's not a sum zero game. Like, it's not like, oh, you're late, so I don't fuck with you. It doesn't mean I think you're a bad person. It doesn't mean I think that you're upsetting. It just means, like, oh, my God, you're always late. I really don't like that. And if you're allowed to be late, I'm allowed to speak on it.

[Monet X Change]

If someone is always doing a behavior, you cannot be shocked that they're doing it. And you cannot. And like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And she didn't say, I am shocked. She said, she's always late. She didn't go, I'm.

[Jacob]

She didn't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ana went to her date. And I get up and go. I am blown away. Can you guys believe she just said, hey, guys, I gotta go? Naomi Campbell's always late.

[Jacob]

Always.

[Monet X Change]

Context also matters. You know that you are at this award honoring and presenting this thing to this person. This is a high honor for this person. So the context of this is very important. This is a high honor, a prestigious thing for them. And you're choosing now to call them out on their lateness when you did not even have to be a part of it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But when did you.

[Monet X Change]

There was probably a litany of other people who would have died to do the thing, who would have just done the business.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But the question is, when did your lateness over the last 30 years affect me in a very impactful way?

[Monet X Change]

Well, you should say if I am

[Bob the Drag Queen]

the editor of Vogue. My time is incredibly important. We have Tyra Banks waiting. We have all these other famous models waiting. We have Tom Ford's over here waiting. We have Pat McGrath over here waiting. But you are late. So you've affected. So it's not like Naomi Campbell's lateness has not affected. Her lateness is not affected on a wintour in some massive way. So now she's just paying it forward. Now I affect you in a massive way. I rarely get to be in the spotlight, so now I'm gonna let everyone know that you're late. I think if you do something bad or inconsiderate, it is okay for people to say, hey, that was inconsiderate. And they're allowed to do it because if you're late in front of everyone, I can say you're late in front of everyone. It's not like you did it in private. It's not like you were, like, in private in my room, late. You were late in front of Everyone. And then I told everyone you were late and I said it in front of everyone.

[Monet X Change]

This is a time and place. I do not agree that she should have done it there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is her respectability politics, though.

[Monet X Change]

That's fair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Respectability politics.

[Monet X Change]

This was a prestigious thing for her to think. You did not have to be a part of it. You chose to be a part of it by accepting it, to do it. So then you're signing on for the behavior of it, right? Like, you know, you choosing to be 30 years that I behave this way and you cannot be. You like you, you, you, you like. You choosing to want to present me this thing. You're presenting it knowing that every time we have done this thing, I have. I have exhibited. I have exhibited this behavior. So this is not. This is nothing new.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But why can't you see that you choosing to be late is going to have negative consequences? You are choosing to be late. You know, it irritates people.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you're assuming that she's choosing to be late.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know that people don't like.

[Monet X Change]

You're assuming.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know that people do not like that you're late all the time. You're assuming you are constantly late. You know, it was easy. Everyone in a bad mood. You know, like, you know for a fact that it puts everyone in a bad mood when you're late.

[Monet X Change]

You're assuming that. You're assuming like you're. You're. Now you're saying that she chose to be like. You have no idea why she's. Why she's late. This. She's constantly late.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If it's only has two children now she has. It's certainly not.

[Monet X Change]

She has and all these things.

[Jacob]

So we're.

[Monet X Change]

So now we're making a whole bunch of assumptions. We're making a whole bunch of assumptions.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not that bold of assumption to imagine if you are always late, it's more on you than it is. Unless life is just always happening to Naomi Campbell.

[Monet X Change]

And there are every will it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And everyone else is making it their own time. But for some reason, for 30 years, Naomi's traffic is harder than everyone else's. Naomi's zippers never work. Naomi's makeup artist is always late. Naomi Campbell's shoes don't fit. Naomi Campbell's nails chipped. But for 30 years, Naomi Campbell just has no part in her constant lateness. That is an absurd take.

[Monet X Change]

Well, we're not saying it this time. You're talking about this time at this. At this. We're talking about. We're not Talking about all that. We're talking about this. We're talking about that. You're assuming that she chose to be late for this thing. We don't know why this woman was late to this thing. And maybe that's why Naomi clapped back the. Because people have called Naomi out on her lateness before, but she clapped back at this specific one because maybe there was a reason why that she was late and there wasn't an understanding. And Anna Campbell. Anna went toward knowing this, accepting this thing. To me is wild to call her out here at this prestigious thing where this woman's getting honored for this thing. Why this time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To me, being late for 30 years is wow.

[Monet X Change]

Why this time?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And to me, being late for 30 years and expecting no backlash, that's what. Actually, to me, that is the wildest thing. To be late for over 30 years and expect no one to say anything, that is crazy.

[Monet X Change]

But I don't think she's expecting that. People have called her out on her lateness before for different events. This is not. Some people have called her out, but I think. But again, like I said, she does not always clap back, so. Which leads me to believe that something about this was different and it hit her different why she clapped back the way that she did is all I'm saying.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you know what? In my opinion, she got what she deserved.

[Monet X Change]

And you're entitled to your.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then she got an award that she deserved. She got everything she deserved that night.

[Monet X Change]

You're entitled to that opinion. Should this be the one about lateness or the one about the one. Is it fascia? I can do it. I can work on you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you find yourself to be a late person?

[Monet X Change]

No, I'm not a late person.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you find yourself to be on time?

[Monet X Change]

I found myself to be always either right on time or a little early, especially for shows. Especially, like, since I moved to la, I've been going to more shows. Like I've been enjoying going to. What's that? To the Pantages or going to show at the Dining, to Typewriter, et cetera. I find myself doing a lot more of those things, which I did in New York for some reason. I talked about this before. Like, in New York, I did not indulge in the theater or shows. And New York always has fucking shows. And I kind of want to stab myself any eyeballs for existing my entire teens and twenties in New York and never taken advantage of it. Anyway, that's a different story. But here in la, I find myself trying to be, like, right on time, a Little early. And for a show that's like getting there. Like, if the show starts at 8, at least 15 minutes early. Like 7:45.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you don't. Wait, what? Didn't we have a conversation about going to see Lizzo and you wanted to go at some crazy time? What was that?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, we were talking about going to see Lizzo and I was like. You were like, one day. We need to get there at least half an hour before. I'm like, well, we can get there right at 8. And you were like, no. But I was like. My thing was, well, I don't want to. I didn't really care for the who the opener was. So actually I was like. And we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't like Santana? That's crazy. You don't like Lotto?

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy. No, it was. It was. Oh my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was Lotto. Santana.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway. Santana was. Anyway.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But which one do you not like, Lotto or Santana?

[Monet X Change]

Which one do you not like? Anyways, and I like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You said you didn't care for them. We had a signed seat.

[Monet X Change]

Which one was it, Lotto or Saucy? It wasn't like general admission where we had to like run and like cattle call for, like a seat. Like, we had our time, we had our assigned seats. So I was like, we can get there at 8 o' clock and it'll be fine. But I was like, no, we gotta get at 7:30. Monet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you buy for me if you buy a ticket. I'm buying a ticket for the whole show. I'm buying a ticket for the opening act. I'm buying a ticket for the dj. I'm buying a ticket for the main act. That's what I'm buying my ticket for. I like to see. I don't know about you, but I think Saucy, Santana and Latto are just great artists. I like them. I care for the opener.

[Monet X Change]

Is that the ring I got you wearing?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I told you, I got rid. I threw it away. Yeah, I already told you that. But yeah, I. I think that they're. I. I just. I like the. I like the full experience. I want to get to my seats. I do not want to be rushing in. You know, I went to go see Kendrick Lamar with some. With a group of. With a group of ladies. A group of funny ladies. And we walked in during the opening act and I was like, I'm so annoyed that I didn't. They wanted to eat beforehand or go to some bar to grab drinks or something beforehand. So I met them there and then we walked over, and I was like, I want to see how that show started. Like, I remember thinking myself, I wish I could have seen how that started. Now I'm annoyed that I missed that.

[Monet X Change]

Who was it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do not remember this. I do not remember whoever opened for Kendrick Lamar on the damn tour. Jake, can you look at. Look that up. Whoever opened for Kendrick Lamar on the damn tour. It was who? Whoever that guy was, he's probably, like, some massive rapper, and that's probably. I don't know. Jcole or something.

[Monet X Change]

You don't. You. You don't care enough to know who it was, but you mad I walked

[Bob the Drag Queen]

in in the middle of his act? I. I didn't get a chance. I didn't. I. I didn't get to hear them say his name. I just walked in while he was rapping, and then he left. And he was on a big eagle. He's on a big mechanical eagle.

[Monet X Change]

Well, just looks like it was Travis Scott.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Travis Scott.

[Monet X Change]

So just how.

[Jacob]

Jacob, who.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which one was on the mechanical eagle? Can you look at which one was on the big mechanical eagle?

[Monet X Change]

Probably change. Like, sometimes tour, someone opens up for different parts of the tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, no, but the one I saw was on a big mechanical eagle.

[Monet X Change]

I'm sure if you type in the.

[Jacob]

Yeah, that was Travis Scott.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was Travis Scott.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, See, just like you saw Jacob. Just how Jacob looked that up. I'm sure you could have just used your phone and see, oh, who's opening tonight. Maybe not. Maybe it's not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You mean, like, from years ago?

[Monet X Change]

No, when you were there, like, you were mad. You were like, oh, I wonder who this is. You say you didn't know who it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I wasn't mad that I didn't know who it was. I was annoyed that I didn't see. I think you. I think you're misunderstanding why I was irritated. I wasn't like, geez, I don't know who this is. I'm so mad. Like, obviously, anyone who knows me knows. I will Google anything. I just didn't remember who it was. I didn't know who Travis Scott was at the time. I don't really know who Travis Scott is now is. Travis Scott was in this room. I literally would not know who he was. But I remember thinking to myself, I wish I had seen the beginning of this performance. I just remember thinking that, like, oh, I wish I could have seen how this started. Like, why is he on a big eagle? Why is this? Where. Where did this ego come from?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, so you were. You were mad that you didn't see the story.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was not mad, but I was just like. I was just like, oh, I wish I could have seen. I wish I could have seen this whole act. I really, I like watching. I love watching the previews at movies, the trailers. I love the trailers. And I want to see like the whole. It just, I feel like it gives you a better understanding of what's going on. The artist before can kind of inform the artist coming after. Why did they pick this artist? It just seems nice to know. Like we walked in during saw Santana's performance and I wish I could have seen the whole thing, but I didn't

[Monet X Change]

get to see earlier. Said you were mad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, sure. But I didn't get to see all of Lato's performance at all. Like, I got to see all of them. But we walked in in the middle of Saucana and I was like, oh, I wish I could have seen. How did Saucy start the show? That would have been so fun to see, you know.

[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I like to go to things I don't think I'm. And I don't think I'm going like crazy early. So most time if you see a concert, the concert says starting at nine. That is when the opener or the DJ goes on, right? That is when like showtime starts. The the main artist does not come out at the top of the hour. The opener or the DJ or whoever's doing the crowd entertainment starts at the 8 o' clock and then when they're done. That's when the main event usually comes.

[Monet X Change]

It was always an hour after her. Like, if. If a concert started at 8, she got on at 9.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I. And I just think also, like, some of these opening acts are so fucking good. They're.

[Monet X Change]

I saw Dochi. Dochi Open Forces. Dolce was very good. She was very, very, very good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You gotta. You never know who you're gonna be seeing in these opening acts.

[Monet X Change]

But you do advertise. Like, I knew I was. I knew I was like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's not what I mean. Like, for example, let's say it's an artist who's not a big deal now. Like, for example, Cleo Trappa just opened up for Ice Spice. You know who. But what if Cleo Trappa is the biggest rapper in five years? That's what I mean when I say you don't know, you don't know who. I don't mean literally. You don't know who their name is on the thing, but you never know who that person's gonna end up being. So these people who may have seen. Who might become these people who may. People who may have seen Travis Scott opening for Kendrick Lamar, and then Travis Scott went on to be this massive, massive rapper.

[Monet X Change]

Travis was. What year was this?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't remember. Maybe 2018, 19, 17.

[Commercial Voice]

Something.

[Monet X Change]

Astro was Astro. Travis Scott has this big festival, his festival, AstroWorld, which is a huge festival. I don't know if it happens anymore, but that was around that time. So it's kind of crazy to me. I mean, Kendrick Lamar is also one of the biggest rappers out there, so

[Bob the Drag Queen]

he's like the king of rap.

[Monet X Change]

I understand how opening for him is big for anyone, but Travis Scott was pretty huge already, like, by 2018, 19. Because AstroWorld, the big festival, when that person got trampled, I think was 2019, right before the pandemic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, he obviously wasn't as big as Kendrick. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Clearly, if he's opening for him.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, Kendrick is certainly the undisputed king of rap. I mean, I would say that him and Drake were certainly passing off the baton between. Drake has much more commercial success than Kendrick does. Maybe a little less these days. Actually, he still has more commercial success. Do you know, by the way, do you know who the most. The highest selling rapper in the history of rap is?

[Monet X Change]

Eminem.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Eminem. Them.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. Who's back, back again yeah, he did

[Bob the Drag Queen]

just drop an album, too.

[Monet X Change]

JD's back, back again Guess who's back Guess who's back? Guess who's back? I remember that his VMA performance when Borat was really, really big and Sacha Baron Cohen comes down from the fucking thing with a thing and like, sits his fucking grundle, his balls and his taint right in front of Eminem's face. And back then I was like, oh, this is all like a skit. But come to find out that was not a skit. Eminem did not know that was happening. He was very upset by that, which is why the Sacha Baron Cohen would do that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, Sascha, Baron Cohen is a really interesting. He had a TV show called, like, this is America or, like, America.

[Monet X Change]

Don't catch me slipping, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you look it up, Jacob? It's called, like, America's. I cannot remember the name of this TV show.

[Monet X Change]

America. Fuck yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was so uncomfortable and also kind of brilliant.

[Monet X Change]

Why? What was it about?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was about him playing a bunch of different characters while traversing America or just hopping from place to place and, like, exposing people for their problematic behavior while either pretending to be a very, very woke person or a very, very problematic person. He even got Joe. He even got Bernie Sanders at one point.

[Monet X Change]

He interviewed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He got a. He. He was able to interview Bernie Sanders. And Bernie Sanders was like, what are you doing? Like, I don't understand you.

[Jacob]

Who is America?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who is America? He was like, I don't think you understand politics. And I'll be. I'll be seeing myself out. Thank you very much for your time. Like, he was, like, very annoyed with. With this character that Sasha Baron Cohen was supposed to.

[Monet X Change]

Well, his second movie is that iconic scene of him getting that. I think it's either Giuliani or another Republican governor or something in a Giuliani. Was it Giuliani?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Julie, is Rudy. Is Rudy Giuliani Trump's former lawyer?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. About some crazy shit. I think it was about, like, young girls or trafficking.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, he got him to. He got him with his pants down trying to have sex with a hook with a hooker.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And he. And he recorded Giuliani in the hotel room trying to fuck the. The hooker.

[Monet X Change]

So. And the hooker was underage?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I don't think there was. I don't think there was any underage.

[Jacob]

No. Did the actor. So the actor playing the hooker was not underage? He broke in as a bit by rushing into the room when he had his pants down and going, She's 17.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Stop.

[Jacob]

Okay, so it was a bit, but the actor. The actual person in that scene was an adult.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think they went to Giuliani as a 17 year old. Was just like, get it, we gotta get. It was so long since I've seen it though.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Because. So he. Okay. Because I was like. Because I. I've also been on. Not this TikTok on my Twitter about people catching predators. I mean, they, they can arrest them off of like. But also these people have like extent of text messages trying to like set up meetings. So I think that's probably where the arrest of it all comes in. And also about to commit the act, I think is also an arrestable offense because the person is underage. But I was like, I don't know

[Bob the Drag Queen]

if part of the trap was that she was 17. I think it was just like, get him in the room.

[Monet X Change]

He just said that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I really can't remember though. And then, and then he also did a thing on some TV show or something where he, where he was in a room with O.J. simpson. Rotten pieces and. Wait, what?

[Monet X Change]

Robin? Pieces?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said rotten pieces.

[Monet X Change]

Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And he was trying to get O.J. simpson to admit to killing his ex wife. Like, he was like. And I think he got him to. He was like. But you kind of did it, right? And O.J. simpson was like, wow, I don't remember this.

[Monet X Change]

This is all part of the who is America show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This was not. I can't remember, I don't know if this was this who's America or what. But there was some other time where Sacha Baron Cohen was drunk, quote, unquote drunk with O.J. simpson, who was really drunk, and he's trying to get him to admit that he killed his wife lover.

[Monet X Change]

I wonder if there's someone out there that O.J. simpson confessed that to. And they're like, no, they've never said it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I like, well, he wrote a book where he confessed it.

[Jacob]

It was from who. It was from who is America.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah. But the book was like, how I would do it if I did something like that. It wasn't saying like I did it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I mean, yeah. I don't know. I mean, he's dead now, so he

[Monet X Change]

said what he died of. He died of cancer. Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know how he died. I. I didn't know he died until like a month afterwards. I could be like, why is all this O.J. simpson stuff on my timeline?

[Monet X Change]

Well, I was too young for the O.J. simpson of it all. Like, because this was like early 90s or late 80s, like when I was just prostate cancer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was the 90s, like early mid-90s though, early to mid-90s, right.

[Monet X Change]

I feel like 90. It was like around, around Rodney King, so I had to like around 94. So yeah, mid-90s. 94, 95. I was like a four or five year old. I had no idea. I had no conscious of what. Oh, just. And also I was in the Caribbean. I don't know what it was for, like for kids in America, but back then, guru. Like we had, we obviously, like I remember my parents having it on tv, but the gravity and the breadth of like what that trial was just meant nothing to us over there in St. Lucia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Really, in America. It was, it was non stop coverage. It was the most talked about thing. It felt like it went on for years. It felt like we were just always talking about the O.J. simpson trial. The O.J.

[Monet X Change]

simpson trial. Even as a kid you felt like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Even as a child, because I would watch late night TV with my mom. So we'd watch like Arsenio hall or, or Conan o' Brien or Jay Leno and it was just OJ Simpson, OJ Simpson. Just non stop OJ Simpson. Am I boring you?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So, but like I, so I didn't really realize what that was, what that meant. So like now as an adult, like looking back, like, you know, as I'm trying to be an informed adult on this person and all that shit, it's just so crazy like how this motherfucker. And like I guess I didn't understand, like I've heard the if the glove don't fit, you must acquit, but didn't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was a famous quote from Johnny Cochran, right? Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

And like how all those dynamics and how the racial implications of, you know, of it all and how what I just said, Rodney King had just happened. So like a lot of black people were rallying behind OJ because they're like, they're really trying to get black men in America. We gotta stand behind OJ and come to find out like this nigga was guilty as fuck and people were still standing for him, but also to be a lawyer. So my thing is when you are a lawyer and someone comes to you, like OJ Simpson comes to you, he comes to bomo law firm and want us to represent him. Like, does he tell us he's guilty and we know that information or we, or, or I think it's like under whatever, they don't tell you what it is, but if you accept the case, you fight tooth and nail for their innocence, even though they might be guilty. Like that's, that's A part of lawyering that's crazy to me, like, knowing that someone could be so nefarious and so evil and did something so heinous, but you still have to fight and defend this person like they're innocent.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I don't understand. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't understand law, but I feel like your lawyer would not want to hear you say that you're guilty.

[Jacob]

So I generally, if your. Your lawyer won't ask, so I think your lawyer is more about your defense, and your lawyer generally is not going to ask you, are you guilty? They're going to ask you. They're going to focus on building a defense.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, like.

[Monet X Change]

And when all the evidence is coming out, you sitting there like, yo, like, this nigga is guilty as fuck. But I've taken all his clients. Now I got to, like. Because, I mean, they're. I mean. And I think that's why, like, lawyers try to, like, not listen to the news and whatever, but you're still a lawyer living in his life. You have your wife, your kids, your family and stuff. Like, you're not immune.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Also, guilty doesn't mean you didn't do it, right? Sometimes you mean not guilty, and not guilty doesn't mean you. I mean, not guilty doesn't mean you didn't do it. That's not what not guilty necessarily means. Sometimes it just means, can we justify why you did it? Yeah, you know what I mean? Not every reason to doubt. Can we justify why you did. Like, like, for example, everyone knows you killed this person. Can we now justify it? Was it because you were crazy? Were you defending yourself? Were you in. Were you possessed by a demon? Who knows? Whatever. What. What legal stance, what legal precedent is there that I can say that you had every reason to kill this person? Or how low can I get your sentence? Or how can I make sure you're being treated fairly during your criminal process?

[Monet X Change]

I can smell your nappy. What's the line from the Deliverance?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that from the Deliverance? Yes, I've been hearing it, but

[Jacob]

I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

didn't know it's from Deliverance.

[Monet X Change]

You just said possessed by a thing, and I was like, oh, my God. It reminded me of it. I watched it the other day. That movie is. Wow. It's very real. Do you like. Do you like religious. Well, I know you don't like religious movies. Well, I don't know. Do you like religious movies?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't mind religious movies, but this.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I can smell that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is unhinged.

[Monet X Change]

I can swing it. Everybody it gets. I mean, do you. Are you. Do you. Do you plan on watching it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do. Yeah. Don't swear.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Never mind.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want.

[Monet X Change]

I want to watch it with you. Okay. Do you want to watch it tomorrow?

[Jacob]

Do you want to watch it on Sunday after dinner?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I've been wanting to watch Hereditary, I heard is the scariest movie of all time. I've heard people be like, don't watch it.

[Monet X Change]

I've never seen that. Can I watch that with you, baby?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Which one do you want to watch? Deliverance or Heredity?

[Monet X Change]

I think Deliverance. My mom wants to see Deliverance, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, then. Well, I'm gonna watch whichever one we watch together. I'm gonna watch the other one by myself.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nigga, I'm just letting you know. You said you wanted to watch both them with me. But I want to be able to watch them both. I mean, you did ask.

[Monet X Change]

No, I didn't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now you're acting like you don't care. That's kind of interesting.

[Monet X Change]

And I said, I want to watch Deliverance with you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then you said. And I said, hereditary. You said, can I watch that with you?

[Monet X Change]

Why? Because I thought you were trying to switch the movie on Sunday to Hereditary.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no. I'm just saying these are two scary movies that I really, really want to watch. But I'm just saying, whichever one you and I watch, I'm just gonna watch the other one.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah. I don't care what you watch at your house. I'm talking about on Sunday night. I want to watch it together with you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But what we were talking about right before Hereditary.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, a lawyer. Lawyers, Lawyers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, lawyers. Yeah. So, I mean, I. I feel like. Or sometimes they're trying to prove that the way that they got you was not just, like, sometimes someone can prove that you did something wrong. Like, let's say if the cops. Let's say, for example, you are selling drugs. But the cops did it. They searched your house without a warrant. Well, now you get to go free, because they should have never done that like, you have. You can't just bust them out.

[Monet X Change]

Even though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Even though I am selling drugs, you cannot just bust in my house, start searching for stuff without a warrant.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I mean, cops are fucking shady. Like, I'm on. I'm on this fucking TikTok. Sorry. Twitter, Twitter. Twitter has become so many videos now. Like, I feel like Twitter's like, a fucking. Fucking TikTok. Basically, every time TikTok changed the game. It really does. And I'm on this thing, too, where these shady Cops like they will arrest someone for something and bitch, they are dumping drugs. And I know this has gone on for a long time, I'm not silly. But like to see like the videos now that we're seeing like of cops doing this shit is and now I'm seeing so many of them on my for you Twitter page. It's kind of wild that these motherfuckers are just out here just trying to get people in trouble. Like n leave these motherfuckers. Like I just don't understand what is in it for these cops besides the I don't know how true this is about quotas, how I've heard this for as long as I've been a kid that yeah, the cops got these quotas to fills so they try to arrest more people at the end of the month as opposed to the beginning of the month and they need to fill their quota. So I don't know if can you

[Bob the Drag Queen]

google, do cops really have quotas?

[Monet X Change]

Do you think it's true before Jacob looks it up?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. I mean I've heard of quotas with speeding tickets, but I have not heard of quotas with arresting people though.

[Monet X Change]

And who is assigning these quotas? Like their sergeants are like I need you to arrest at least or give

[Bob the Drag Queen]

maybe they're based on the population and the demographic of people who break that law. So let's say they're like we know people are speeding. I know for a fact people are speeding. And in this area last month we gave out 100 speeding tickets. So this week, this month I need you to match that because I know, I know for a fact that people are speeding. So I need you to go catch them. Maybe I don't. And that's, that is literally an assumption. I'm assuming that might be how it works. I've never heard, I've never personally heard of quotas with arrest, but I have heard of quotas with speeding tickets. And if that's true, I don't know cuz I, I, I've never been a cop. I could ask my cousin, I can

[Monet X Change]

ask my brother, but I don't know if he'll tell me for real. I see.

[Jacob]

Not officially some places have a speeding ticket quotas, but most in most states it's expressly illegal then. So I used to be a thing. But it looks like a lot of them have banned it by now.

[Monet X Change]

Problematic. A quarter will be so problematic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But there's no arrest quotas, right?

[Jacob]

There are no official arrest.

[Monet X Change]

I mean they cannot put an having an arrest quota. It seems unconstitutional.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, everyone's on page.

[Monet X Change]

So like I. If they were quotas, it would def. It would be something that is not documented. It'll be some, some like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you saying that the police would be violating our, our human rights? Who would have possibly thunk it?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, did you ever want to be a cop, as you would know when you were a kid?

[Monet X Change]

Never. Never had a desire?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Never.

[Monet X Change]

We used to play robbers in St. Lucia and I used to always be a robber.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I used to think as a kid, I remember thinking this. I remember thinking this one day being like this. They just made up the rules and just said we have to follow them.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, that's all society.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Yes. Yes. This is when I came to this revelation. I was like, like the thing about, like going to a job, like, if I want this money that I'm working for and if I want to work with you all, I'm going to have to abide by these rules. But I don't have to work here.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If I want to go to this gym, I have to follow these rules. But I don't have to go to this gym. But if I want to be alive and just live on this place, I was in this place, I was born, not of my own volition, by the way, just completely involuntarily, I have to abide by these rules. Now, luckily you do have a little bit of input in what the rules are by voting everyone go to vote dot org. But that being said, you don't really have that much input. I mean, I mean, some of the laws are like, I think, I think we can all agree about the big ones, right? We can all agree about certain big law, but then they start to get a little iffy in certain places. Some of the really big ones get a little iffy. But also, like, if you kill someone, can the government kill you?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Which I've seen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you believe that if, if you kill someone, the government should be able to kill you?

[Monet X Change]

I don't, I don't. No, I don't. I don't. I don't ascribe to that. No. But also you get to choose if you want to be a part of society.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, you can like kill yourself.

[Monet X Change]

No. You can like leave. You can go.

[Jacob]

People.

[Monet X Change]

There are a lot of people who live off grid and aren't they do their own thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When you live off the grid, you still have to follow law. You can't go.

[Monet X Change]

You can leave this country and go somewhere with where, but no Matter where

[Bob the Drag Queen]

you go, you're going to be part of someone. You're going to have to. Wherever you go, you're going to have to live under someone's rules. There is nowhere on the earth where you can go and just not abide by laws even. There's even laws for the ocean. They call it maritime laws.

[Monet X Change]

That's how people be killing their spouses on maritime law.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Everywhere you go on this planet you have to abide by laws. You can't just go somewhere and live lawlessly. Now off the grid just means people can't find you on social media and stuff. But you like, you don't have to have a bank account, but you do. But you can't live in the woods and start killing folks or cooking meth. You probably can't even. You probably can't even double park in the woods.

[Monet X Change]

There has to be a place you can go without laws.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think there. The moon.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I bet when you're in space you can't just like go to space and kill the astronaut you're with. Even in space.

[Monet X Change]

You probably could probably like because you're on U.S. property. You probably could. But why would you do that? Have you heard of those astronauts that are stuck in space?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why'd you kill someone on earth?

[Monet X Change]

Say it again. But, but that's okay. Because if I kill someone, if I come to your apartment and kill you, there's an escape plan. Bitch. When you go to space with the other astronauts, you getting home is contingent upon them being. Being able to help you do get the thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Otherwise I wouldn't do. I mean I'm just. I don't have a plan. I'm not justifying why you would kill someone in space people.

[Monet X Change]

I'm saying that's why, that's why you wouldn't kill them. Because bitch, I need to get back home and you need to be alive for me to do it. Have you seen that movie? Oh no, it was, it was Black Mirror. Yes. When they were that literally. That's why that was a crazy Black Mirror episode.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh my God, he was mad girl. Sometimes I feel like a lot of murders are like passion. Passion actually I don't know that. Like they're mostly man circuit. They're not like calculated murder. It's not like pre planned premeditated murder is what I'm saying. It's not like premeditated murder. I think I. But I also don't know the number. Then that might not be true. But I feel like most murders aren't premeditated most

[Monet X Change]

and freak accidents. And I. I can see a world where that makes sense.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But to, like, premeditated be like, I'm gonna kill this person.

[Monet X Change]

Like a Jeffrey Dahmer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or even just like, someone who's like, killing someone for. For health insurance. Like, I'm gonna kill my husband for the health insurance. It doesn't have to be like a serial killer being like, I'm going to kill my husband so I can cash in on the health. On the life insurance is cr. If I was down and out at my worst, I would never think to myself, I will kill my husband.

[Monet X Change]

But there are a lot of things that come into play with that. I think that a lot of mental health things that play into, like, when your brain can rationalize doing that thing. There's a lot of other factors, but

[Bob the Drag Queen]

this one's aren't crazy. They go through psychiatric evaluations, and they get assessed by the courts and by a psychiatrist, and they're like, this person's not crazy. They're just. They just killed. They just hired a hitman to kill her husband for the money. They're greedy.

[Monet X Change]

Well, not crazy. I think crazy is a loaded word. I'm trying not to use the word crazy, Austin, because I got.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or mentally ill or. Other than having. They're not having a psychotic episode. They just of. Of sound mind and body. Decided to have someone kill so they can make money off of it. I mean, people do it literally all the time. Wars are money and land, and they're killing knowing that people are going to die, but doing it anyway. You know what I mean?

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think that I could ever get to a point where I would be so down and out that I would kill someone for it.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I mean, even. Even shooting versus stabbing. Like, when I see videos of people stabbing someone, I'm like, oh, you are. Because the fact that you can feel that goddamn knife going into someone's skin and the pressure of that. And then people that like, oh, yeah, he was stabbed over 40 times. I was like, 40 times.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And it's always a billion jillion times.

[Monet X Change]

You took a knife and you did that. You got to. 40 times.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, oh, you should stab a pillow 40 times. See how it feels, girl.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, and just how hard they make. God, it's so. It gives me the ebgbs. Like, my skin is crawling. Thinking about how someone can. 40 times. That's crazy. Oh, would you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You said to be the other one. They're like, would you kill for your child?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know, I don't have a child, so I can't make that decision.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But did you kill for anyone?

[Monet X Change]

No, there's no one I would kill for. I mean, I think there are so many. There are so many factors. Like, why? Right? Like, no, like, I don't mean.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't mean, like, to defend them. I mean, like someone. Someone, Right.

[Monet X Change]

I'm saying, like, if someone came and

[Bob the Drag Queen]

stabbed you in the head, someone killed someone that you love very dearly, and they have gotten away, and they are maybe in jail or maybe they're in court or maybe something like that, would you kill that person?

[Monet X Change]

It depends. Was this a premeditated or was this an accident?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yep, completely premeditated.

[Monet X Change]

Premeditated. And how did they do it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's 40 stabs.

[Monet X Change]

40 stabs?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yep.

[Monet X Change]

And who. Can you tell me who the person is that I love? That depends.

[Commercial Voice]

You.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You choose a family member that you really love?

[Monet X Change]

No, you got to tell me. Bob, you said he was up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For me, this feels really brutal to do. So it just doesn't feel appropriate for me to kill off people that you love.

[Monet X Change]

I'm giving you permission to say somebody, nigga.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God, it is this. I don't like this game. You just.

[Monet X Change]

You.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I really don't like this. I think I want to withdraw myself from this.

[Monet X Change]

You want to what the. What the Supreme Court do? Recuse themselves?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, you recline.

[Monet X Change]

I know, I know, I know, bitch. Catanji Jackson was on the View and talking about the Supreme Court and shit like that. And like, Ketanja Jackson is fierce, whatever. And they asked her about term limits, which she was for. But, like, I wanted her to have a more like, yes, God, let me get us now. But she was a little like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because I think she was like, nigga,

[Monet X Change]

I just got here and now y' all want to impose term limits on me?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's like, can I get. Can I get 10 years?

[Monet X Change]

She was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It wasn't overwhelming. Term limits. It's honestly not that crazy in my opinion. Say it again. A 10 year term limit is really not that crazy.

[Monet X Change]

It's meaning, like, you think it's a good. You think that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think that court justice to serve 10 years is an appropriate amount of time? I agree.

[Monet X Change]

10 years. I agree, I agree.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

10 years is like the longest term limit there is. I don't think there are term limits that long in America.

[Monet X Change]

No, I think the longest is four years. No, governors are six. Six Someone. Someone is six or eight. Something is six. Can you look that up? Which government thing is Six years, term limits.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's term limit for a governor or whatever? It's probably different state to state. Probably. Maybe. I don't know. I have no clue.

[Monet X Change]

Do you ever think, is there a world after Drag? Like after. Like you were after you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nope.

[Monet X Change]

You don't know what I'm gonna say.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You had to change it up.

[Monet X Change]

No, I'm not gonna change it up. You don't know what I was gonna say.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You didn't. Nigga, can I finish my sentence before you.

[Monet X Change]

You just shut me down.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Say it.

[Jacob]

Do you think there's senators or. Six years.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, senators, six. Oh, my God, I sound so fucking ignorant. Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's a little harsh. But, you know, whatever works for you.

[Monet X Change]

Do you think there's any way after drag is all done that you would maybe consider becoming a baker?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is not what you're about to say, Wanda. That was. I was gonna say a baker.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And by the way, the answer is still no, by the way. And I knew you were gonna say that.

[Monet X Change]

And the answer is no. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I get. I get no joy from cooking. None. Work.

[Monet X Change]

Good.

[Jacob]

To clarify, senators don't have a term limit, but their terms are six years, so you can run again. And if you win, you get to go for another.

[Monet X Change]

That's like the one who was like Dianne Feinstein who was like, what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The senator for like. Well, I think that. I mean, most. Most seats don't have. Don't have term limits. Only the. I think I know the president has two. You going to do two terms, but you can be. You can be a mayor for a long time. Yeah, you can be a governor a long time, but you get a term. But there are no term limits. There's no limit to the amount of terms.

[Monet X Change]

You can do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I think that in my opinion, a Supreme Court justice should have one term. And. And the term limit is one.

[Monet X Change]

I agree.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

10 years, one term.

[Monet X Change]

I agree. There's no reason why Clarence fucking Bitch Ass Thomas Ass is still the fuck being there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what I personally, as a US Citizen, I personally believe that Supreme Court justices should only be allowed serve one term, and they should be able to do it for 10 years.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, damn. All right. Well, Bob, I think we did an episode of. Of RuPaul Drag Race. Jesus Christ. Of Sibling Rival.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're obsessed. If you want back to say you want to go back. If you want to go back to say you want to go back, jump

[Monet X Change]

in the pool fully clothed and get on Drag Race. I already told you my choice I'm saying this on the air, live. I don't know how B feels about this, but y' all gonna get a real time reaction. I think that we should do another sibling rivalry election night coverage. That was so fun.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think. I think that I might have a show on election night. Let me check real quick.

[Monet X Change]

Are you kidding me? Do you even know what election night is?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

November 5th, which I'm kicking.

[Monet X Change]

I think I might fully have a dress rehearsal. That. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had my dress rehearsal. That's night that night. So never the fuck mind. That was so fun when we did it. 2020. That was fun. So fun.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, you asked me if I know. It was very shady.

[Monet X Change]

Ask me what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Do you even know election. That's crazy. Do you know election day?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, I do know election day.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I just told you.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I literally just told you. November 5th. No, I'm off. I'll do it by myself. I'll do it on my.

[Monet X Change]

No, I'm gonna come in. I'm gonna. No, I'm gonna be doing it from my. From my dressing room.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not playing.

[Monet X Change]

I'm not missing this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This.

[Monet X Change]

I had so much fun the last time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, don't. Don't have a crunchy WI Fi. Have your together, Cuz we going to have it together over here.

[Monet X Change]

One person has a. Has. Has a history of country WI Fi on this podcast, and it ain't me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're right. One of us does.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Guess what I did yesterday. Okay, I'll tell you, actually, we'll make it a Patreon exclusive, actually.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. All right, bye, Sam.