The One About Popularity

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – "The One About Popularity"

Release Date: March 2, 2022
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into the slippery, sparkling world of popularity—in high school, in drag, and within the LGBTQ+ community. Bob and Monét reflect on their personal experiences with popularity and discuss its dynamics across social settings, including Drag Race circles and the broader “popular gays” of society. True to their style, the episode is packed with biting banter, personal anecdotes, playful dragging, and a special “messy game,” all mixed with moments of real affection and emotional openness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Gaslighting Gate: Who's the Real Gaslighter?

• The episode begins in true Sibling Rivalry fashion: Bob and Monét bicker about who “gaslights” more, referencing an earlier episode where Monét cried on camera and Bob’s reaction was misunderstood.
  • Notable Quote:
    Bob: “That’s you gaslighting our listeners and trying to change the narrative.” (04:07)
  • They humorously debate (with proposed audio receipts) if Bob was laughing at or with Monét, and it's a meta-comedy on storytelling in friendship.

2. Celebrity & Success: Megan Thee Stallion’s Film Debut

• Discussing Megan Thee Stallion’s successes, Monét gushes about how happy it makes her to see Megan thriving.
  • Notable Moment:
    Monét gets emotional: “For some reason, I just really like Megan thee stallion. And to see her getting all her flowers and being so successful…” (02:41)
• Commentary on how seeing others shine evokes genuine pride and happiness—even tears.

3. Drag Mothers & Drag Families

• Bob explains his multiple “drag moms” (Peaches Christ, Bebe Zahara Benet, and the “big sisters” like Peppermint, Bianca, Sherry Vine).
• Monét clarifies her relationship with her drag mother, Honey Davenport, and shades Bob for claiming to be her drag mom.
  • Bob: “So do you not want me to be your drag mom because I’m not popular enough?” (21:55)

4. Popularity, Friendship, and Sober Spaces

• Monét explains her awkward, “half-ass” way of inviting Bob (and other sober friends) to her parties, sparking a discussion about social invitations and feeling included or not.
  • Bob’s Recap of an Invite:
    “This was wild... ‘Well, I’m having a party, but you probably won’t want to go. Like you don’t want to. But you are being invited. But you’ll hate it.’” (22:42)
• Leads to a plan for a hypothetical sober birthday party thrown by Bob.

5. High School Popularity & Queerness

• Both reflect on their school experiences:
  • Monét attended a performing arts school in NYC where students were bussed to different locations daily. Popularity was less about traditional cliques, more about tribes within the arts majors.
  • Bob balanced being “known” for being funny and winning rap battles (a status booster), while also being the gay president of the drama club.
  • Discussion about popularity dynamics for queer kids in different cultural settings, inclusion of drum majors, and the differing experiences of butch lesbians vs. femme boys in Black communities.
  • Memorable Anecdote:
    Bob: “She looked like Dora the Explorer ... And as her friend got off the train, she just yelled out, ‘Bye, faggot,’ and the doors closed. ... This is wild.” (34:07)

6. Popularity Among Drag Race Queens & Gays

• Who are the “popular” RuGirls among the queens themselves?
  • Gottmik is cited as especially beloved and connected.
  • Discussion shifts to how some queens are “popular” in the nightlife scene or among Drag Race alumni.
• Notable Segment: “Messy Game” — Comparing popularity of RuGirls (58:40 onwards).
  • Example pairings: Plastique Tiara vs. Kim Chi, Violet Chachki vs. Alaska, Manila Luzon vs. Latrice Royale.
  • Monét: “That was a draw. Kim has like, so many fucking Instagram followers. Plastique has so many TikTok followers...” (59:02)

7. "Call-a-Girl" Challenge

• To test real-world popularity, they each call a Drag Race alumnus live:
  • Monét calls Brooke Lynn Hytes, who answers.
  • Bob calls Gigi Goode, who does not answer.
  • Bob: “No one’s gonna answer. ... I hate this game. I hate it here.” (66:12)

8. Drag Race Judges and Iconic Guests

• They rank the popularity of Drag Race judges and guest judges:
  • Most popular judge: Michelle Visage, after RuPaul.
  • Biggest guest judge: Lady Gaga eclipses Nicki Minaj, noting her fanbase’s organizing “gay army” on Twitter. (68:38)

9. Wig Anecdotes & New York Drag Life

• Ending with a beloved wig story: Bob recounts Monét’s legendary failure to style a Jennifer Hudson wig after four hours (“This wig looked exactly how she brought it to my house.” (71:25)).
• Both hosts reflect on how being a popular NY drag queen set the foundation for their later success, describing the hustle, pride, and resilience it entails.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bob, on what makes someone popular in drag:
  “I always cite it as one of my biggest accomplishments because it’s pretty tough to do—to make it in New York City as a popular queen…” (56:07)
• Monét, on working in NYC:
  “Working that hard to get to that point and really loving my city … I definitely take solace in the fact that I was a popular queen because not a lot of people can do that.” (56:46)
• On wig-styling mishaps:
  Bob: “When I tell y’all, this wig looked exactly how she brought it to my house … We both busted out laughing.” (71:31)
• Monét: “That was the first time I tried working on hair. … I gave up. I was like, I don’t need to be doing hair.” (71:57)
• Bob, summarizing the game of popularity:
  “Listen, popularity doesn’t mean anything. When it was a competition, I won.” (67:39)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–07:40 — Gaslighting Queen argument & clip battles
• 07:52–10:24 — Emotional moment: missing each other as friends
• 18:25–20:10 — Drag moms & drag families
• 22:12–23:45 — Invitations, exclusion, and partying politics
• 29:57–31:26 — Reflections on drinking, responsibility, and popularity’s pitfalls
• 33:41–35:15 — NYC school memories, the chaos of after-school trains, and early queer experiences
• 48:52–52:25 — Who are the most popular Drag Race girls?
• 58:40–63:32 — “Messy Game”: Head-to-head popularity matches
• 64:56–67:03 — “Call-a-Girl” challenge: Does being popular mean your calls get answered?
• 68:04–69:48 — Most popular Drag Race judges & guest judges
• 71:25–72:51 — “The Jennifer Hudson Wig” and being a NYC queen

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Tone & Takeaway

This episode is Sibling Rivalry at its best—irreverent, heartfelt, occasionally messy, and full of mutual love behind every read. The conversation moves fluidly between laugh-out-loud shade, real talk about what it means to be “popular,” and genuine moments of gratitude for friendship and community. There are nuggets for RuPaul’s Drag Race superfans, NYC nightlife enthusiasts, and anyone who’s ever felt the pressure (or allure) of popularity.

Final Thought:
Monét: “Listen, popularity is … it doesn’t mean anything. When it was a competition, I won.” (67:39)
Bob: “I’m trying to get like you, my boy.” (67:37)

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Transcript

[A]

My name is bob the drag queen

[B]

and I'm monet x change.

[A]

And this is sibling rivalry. On this week's episode, we finally find out who the gaslight queen of sibling rivalry really is.

[B]

We talk about popularity.

[A]

And we find out what made Monet say this.

[B]

You are such a unique situation. I just can't.

[A]

You are a.

[B]

You're insane. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[A]

Adam Lambert has chimed in.

[B]

Popular. We gonna be popular.

[A]

Hello, Bob, are you trying to do it. Are you trying to do a Kristen channel with.

[B]

No, I was actually going for Ariana Grande.

[A]

Oh, interesting. You know, Ariana Grande actually has a really good Kristen Jonathan impersonation. I wonder if she's gonna do that for the film.

[B]

Like impersonate someone for your starring role. No, I don't think she's gonna do that.

[A]

I think she should. It's not her first role. It's not her first film.

[B]

Not her first film, but it's the first Wicked Mutant as a movie. Think she's gonna make it, make it her own?

[A]

I think she should do some iteration of. Maybe. Maybe lean into it a little bit also. So years ago, there was a musical around the corner from Barracuda at the UCB called Identical Fucking Twins, written by Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson. And I went to go see it. It was actually really, really funny. And they used to joke that their official chat back was at Barracuda during my show, but they were just, they were just. It was like they would just take the cast there or the audience there after the show.

[B]

There was an Upright Citizens Brigade by Barracuda.

[A]

Yeah, well, there's one in Chelsea.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

It's not around the corner, but it's in Chelsea. So it's like a. It's like a short walk.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

O my phone is loud.

[B]

Anyway, put your phone on silent now.

[A]

You know what, you're right. My phone is on silent now. And now they. They got option for a movie. And it is Megan Thee, Stallion's first feature film. Oh, my God. Wow. To me, this is their first feature film, I believe. And also Megan Thee, Stallion's first feature film is a musical. It is very, very funny, or at least it was years ago. And Nathan Lane's gonna be in it too.

[B]

Wow. I'm so excited to see. Honestly, I am so happy for Megan Thee, Stallion. I mean, this bitch don't know me. She don't. She had nothing to whatever. But I'm just so happy for her success. I just, for some reason, I don't Know what it is about Megan Thee stallion. But I just. I'm happy to see, like, all of her things. I just think she's just so great. And I love how. I just love her being in her essence. Like, I just. For some reason, I just really like Megan thee stallion. And to see her getting all her flowers and being so successful.

[A]

This might be the crying episode, and

[B]

I just really like everything going for mega. No, but she's just so great.

[A]

I'm being serious. I'm crying.

[B]

Yeah, that's episode that you weren't happy until I started crying. Honestly, that's in my episode told every. All of y' all watching. That tells you everything you need to know about this podcast. Bob answered the call

[A]

that you're crying from tears. You're kind of. You're trying to insinuate that you were, like, crying from tears when you weren't. You were crying because you were happy. So I was smiling because you were happy. Every time you retell the story, it keeps going on, and you're like. And you know what? Until I broke down crying, you weren't happy. Because at first, you changing. No, no, no. That is you changing the narrative of what's going on. In actuality, what's happening is when you cry, you go, it's just so many great things going on. I'm just so happy. But you're trying to make it sound like I was laughing because you were in a bad mood. That's you gaslighting our listeners and trying to change the narrative.

[B]

No, at first, because at first you didn't know why I was crying. You just saw me crying, and you literally. Y' all go back and listen to the one about. Hold on, let me finish. The one about. The one about crying before you. Before I said why you were like, monet, why are you crying? Why are you so upset? I want to know what happened to my baby. You like my little baby because you had. You didn't know I was crying yet. So, bitch, you're. Now you're flipping the narrative, making your own shit up and gaslighting the fuck out of me because you think I'm gaslighting you. So it's just a circle of glass situation that's happening here.

[A]

It's not. See what. What's so funny here is this is what Monet does. I want y' all to listen very closely, because you can go back and find out. You can see Monet in prime. Monet. What Monet does is she changes one tiny little thing and pretends. So Monet just pretended like I said, why are you so upset? And Monet knows. I never said that. Monet knows. I never said why.

[B]

You did. Oh, my God.

[A]

And I didn't interrupt. I didn't interrupt you. I didn't interrupt you. So what Monat does is she retells the story, but changes one little thing where if you don't go back and check the details, you'll be like, wow, Bob really did say, why are you so upset? I will actually give you time right now to find. I will give you all the time in the world. We can pause, bitch. I don't have to. Our editor.

[B]

Editor. Our editor, Jay Defeo will put it in here. And so, Jay, please, right now, in this moment, insert the audio of that whole situation and put it in this. Yeah.

[A]

Of. Of. Of me saying, why are you so upset? And definitely, definitely zoom in on the part. I want you to repeat part of me saying, why are you. Why are you upset? But then also, I want you to repeat the part when they just goes, I'm just so happy because so many great things happen in my life.

[B]

I did not say I wasn't happy. I was saying before I told you why I was crying. You were literally like, what's wrong? What's wrong with my little baby? I don't know what you. Okay, just. Just for whatever you did now you just.

[A]

Now you just redacted the little part. Okay, well, then you didn't say why. You so said you gaslighting.

[B]

Hold on. Don't be calling my name. What's wrong with my little baby? I wonder what's wrong. What's wrong? Before I said I was crying because I was happy. You were laughing, not knowing, bitch. Fucking Colleen could have got run over. You don't know why I was crying yet, but you got happy. That's what.

[A]

You were so full of shit. Because in the.

[B]

You know what?

[C]

I am.

[B]

I have not had a bowel movement today. So you know what? You're right. I am full of shit.

[A]

Yeah. Can you just acknowledge that you are the gaslighting queen of the show, and we can move on to our next topic.

[B]

Boy, that is all you. You are the gaslighting queen of America. You did it on this podcast. You did it on Drag Race season eight. Before it was a little buzzword. You was gaslighting back then, gaslighting Derrick Barry into a fight. That was you. Interesting. Those are your decisions.

[A]

So I will say, before we move on from the topic, I just want to ask, are you gonna redact now and change it from when I said, why are you so upset? Are you changing that part? Or are you just going back to me saying, what's wrong? What redaction do you want to make? Because, you know, I never said that. So what do you want to. I'm gonna give you one last chance to alter it before Jay plays the clip. One last chance. What you said.

[B]

What you said was, oh, my God, Monet, what's wrong? What's wrong with my little baby? And my point is that you started. Then if y' all watch the video, that's when Bob started laughing and kikiing and kakaying because. Watch the whole video. He was in a schmood. He was in a mood. And when I started crying, we're like, what's wrong? What's wrong with my little baby?

[A]

What happened?

[B]

That's when you got happy. That's what I'm saying.

[A]

You know what? Very interesting. I will let you take away your little redaction of me saying, why are you so upset? Because, you know that's literally bullshit. But we'll see.

[B]

We started, bitch.

[A]

Okay, Civil rivalry.

[B]

People watching. From the time Bob the Dragoon has sloshed his ass up here, he has not cracked a smile.

[A]

He has not said a hello.

[B]

He looks like he is bothered to fucking be here today. And I once said, the record sh. I have come with an open spirit. I have missed Bob. I have not seen you for a couple days. Even though it was maybe, like, what, five days ago? I still miss you very much. And you sent a text message to me the other day, and literally, just reading it, I literally almost cried. But you have come here giving me. I don't know what this energy is, but I need you to fix it. Jesus.

[A]

Well, to quote you a couple episodes back, what is I. What's the energy? What is. What have I done differently? Do you remember that?

[B]

Roberta, I miss you so much. Can you please smile for me?

[A]

Give me. Come on, baby.

[B]

Give me a little smile, baby.

[A]

Give me a little smile. You're ridiculous. Money's also not mentioning to y' all that I. That. I'm sleepy.

[B]

Bob, you sleep out of my sleep. You stay sleepy, Bob. I miss you so much. That technology you sent, I'm not kidding.

[A]

You sent it.

[B]

I was literally on the verge of tears when you sent it.

[A]

I don't know why.

[B]

I'm also having, like, a very emotional past couple days, and I was like, oh, my God. I was like, I don't know if you're feeling. I feel.

[A]

I feel like I'm getting like. Well, like I'm putting tears. I'm not even kidding. I'm not even being funny.

[B]

I Such an emotional couple days, and I'm trying not to. I don't want to cry on camera. I don't know. Just a lot of great things are happening, and I am not even being funny. I really am want to start crying. I'm not.

[A]

What's happening in your life? She has lots of beautiful things, and

[B]

I'm just so happy and I miss you. Oh, my God. I'm crying on camera.

[A]

This is ridiculous. God, honey, what is going on with my. My sweet old baby? Oh, my God.

[B]

I'm really crying on camera, and I

[A]

don't want to cry.

[B]

I hate when people cry on camera.

[A]

So stupid.

[B]

Like, you know when people do Instagram lives and they start crying like, what the are you crying?

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

This is insane.

[B]

Insane.

[A]

This is insane. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[B]

What is happening?

[A]

I don't even know what's happening.

[B]

I'm just so happy.

[A]

What are you, My sweet baby. Well, I'm glad that you're so happy. I love you so great things. I love you very, very much, and I'm really happy to be your friend.

[B]

Oh, my God. What is happening?

[A]

The clip would tell. I would say, typically speaking, when we play back clips, you don't shine bright like Italian, like your homegirl Rihanna says, oh, my God. That's also another Monet thing. Monet's being like, no, that's. That is so Monet. Be like, nah.

[B]

So what? So I just want to. I just want to listen to you because you said it. Just because Bob said. I got to agree it's correct. No, that's not wrong. That's not correct.

[A]

It's listening to. Is listening to our past. Is listening to the truth. When there's some situation where we played back the clips and I was proven wrong.

[B]

Situation with the couch. When you said. When you literally go into podcast, you're like, Monet, I literally just said, ka, ka, ka. And everyone was like, bob, you did not say that. Literally, the couch one. That's the one. The most people I can remember.

[A]

Also didn't happen. I love that you're doing this because this is so wonderful for me.

[C]

That did happen.

[A]

When you played it back, everyone agreed. No, because when you played it back, everyone in the comments agreed that I mumbled exactly. Agree that I didn't say it.

[B]

No. Okay. Okay, so.

[A]

But you said. I didn't say. You didn't mumble.

[B]

So when you mumble we just know what the fuck you saying. So now.

[A]

So.

[B]

So you can say, we don't know what you're saying. That means that.

[A]

That means that you.

[B]

When you mumble, that means that you didn't say it. You may have mumbled something that only you understand, but you can say in the. In the court of law. In the court of law. A mumble is not gonna. Is not. Is not proved to be. Like, I said this. No, bitch, you mumble. So we don't know what you said. As a queen who mumbles often.

[A]

Now you're a. Now you're a barrister. Now you're my Exchange Esquire. A barrister. It is a. It's like a UK rendition of like a lawyer. Basically a barrister. Since you're from London, you supposed to know what a barrister is.

[B]

No, I never said. I said I'm British. I never said I'm from London, honey. I said I'm British, baby. I never said I'm from London. So get that right, everyone.

[A]

For every British person. Every British person knows what a barrister is.

[B]

Since the Queen's on your money. If you British and you know what a barrister is, comment below.

[A]

Anyway, every British person knows what a barrister is.

[B]

Monet.

[A]

All of them. Even my country ass from Columbus, Georgia,

[B]

knows what a barrister is. Do you know what British people don't know, though? And I have done the groundwork. When I did my Coleman by Monet tour, I would ask, and every show I'd be like, can y' all tell me, like, for example, like, if you're from Wales, you're Welsh. If you're from Scotland, you're Scottish.

[A]

And then.

[B]

So then I was like, so who's. So where is English? And they were like, well, some people say it's everywhere. Some people say it's only London and death. Some people say, and so they don't know that. And also I was like, well, if that's English, what's British? And like, well, if you're from the British Isles, I'm like, well, what are the British Isles? And they're like, london, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland. No, the original British Isles are British, but people from Northern Ireland don't consider themselves girl. I was so confused, but they were confused.

[A]

And then this one girl, I think you're still confused.

[B]

I know one girl on the show, she was like, honestly, I don't know. She was like, the truth is, British people, we don't know, we just use the terms. We mix and match. And sometimes British is everything, sometimes British is not. I was like, work

[A]

from what I understand, the term English isn't really used very often unless they're referring. Usually unless they're referring to the language. But there are people who call themselves English, but more likely people call themselves British. And typically speaking from my experience in the uk, the people who don't call themselves British are Irish people and Scottish people and sometimes Welsh people from Northern Ireland, because it's all. No, all of Ireland. They will.

[B]

They will.

[A]

They will not call themselves like. Like people from Scotland.

[B]

Well, Ireland is not English.

[A]

There are two parts of Ireland and one part of Ireland is in

[B]

Northern Ireland is part of. Is part of Great Britain. But what's not the rest of Ireland is Irish. It's Ireland.

[A]

What I was saying is none of the Irish people call themselves, would call themselves British. And that's not true.

[B]

Northern Irelanders call themselves British for sure.

[A]

I think what's happening is a lot. It's like Scotland. Scotland is part of Great Britain. And a lot of Northern Irish people will still call themselves Irish, but they will say British like. Like at the end of the day, they're like, we're not not British. We are British. We're not not British. But real tea is we're Irish, we're Scottish, we're Welsh. But at the end of the day, once it comes to Brexit, they'll be like, oh, bitch, we're British. We're mad British, honey. British as hell. British as hell. British is a motherfucker. Until it comes out to snap off and float away.

[B]

Not snap off and float away. They're going to ask me why I was in drag today. Do you even care why I was in drag or you just don't care?

[A]

I just assumed that you were just in drag because you just wanted to, you know, maybe you had some Internet content or you just wanted to look nice is. Why are you in drag with a hoodie on? That's my question.

[B]

I was. I was filming this thing I can't talk about, but I have to get

[A]

a drag for it with a. With a. With a hoodie. You were filming a thing where you have to wear a hoodie for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, is it like Monet. Is it like Monet is like a

[B]

little boyfriend laughing at. What is Jacob laughing at?

[A]

Monet, you are on one today. Monet, you are really drag name on A one. You are on A one today, honey.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know what happened to you. I know Patty just moved here. I don't know if your house guest is pissing you off or What?

[B]

Oh my God, my little Patty. Okay, Patty doesn't want to say that he's moved here. Patty wants to say that he is. That he's figured out. Patty does not want to say that he has moved.

[A]

Nigga, this is not a fucking test trial. This is not a test trial, nigga. This, this. You act like this is a. You get a 90 day free trial. Nigga, you moved here. Where you sleeping for the next couple of months? Nigga, you live here.

[B]

Patty said he has not moved to la. Patty said he is just figuring it out. Look at Patty walking. Bitch.

[A]

It's gonna be 2030 and Patti, it's gonna be 2030. Patty's still gonna be like, nah, I'm just kinda. I'm still just like feeling the vibe like you've been here for eight years. I'm just like figuring it out. Mm, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I haven't made the decision yet.

[B]

What is your. What is the logo on this jacket you have? It looks like the Buffy logo. The Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

[A]

I'll give you one guess, and then I'll give you one guess, then I'll show you. This is just for the people who are. This is actually for everyone on Facebook, on YouTube. If you're listening on YouTube, you can see this. I give you one guess what that is.

[B]

It looks like a PC. Uh huh.

[A]

It's for personal computers.

[B]

Publisher's Clearinghouse.

[A]

It is Peaches Christ. I'm wearing a Peaches Christ. This is actually one of those. This is actually one of the shirts that Peaches Christ got out of the vault for me. Look at the back.

[B]

Peaches Christ, if y' all don't know, is Bob's drag mom.

[A]

Well, I have like, I kind of have like three drag moms, really. But yeah, Peach Christ is one of them. And she actually got this shirt. She like fished this shirt out of her archives to give it to me. And I'm really grateful for this little jacket. But I mean, it's a jacket. It's like a little windbreaker. My drag moms are basically Peaches Christ, kind of BB Zahara Benet. And then the other one are like three queens who I just kind of watched Bianca against their will, which is Bianca, Sherry and Peppermint. But the only two that I have any sort of official relationship with are Bibi and Peaches. Like official, you know, motherhood relationship with Peaches and Bibi. But Peppermint is definitely like my, my, my. My big sister for sure.

[B]

Well, Peppermint. Peppermint is very Peppermint is very Big sister. Auntie Vibes. Peppermint is so funny. Oh, my God. Which, by the way, did you see her corresponding on abc? I said, yes, she's on ABC News. And I said, peppermint, I better get. She was. It was. It was very obviously. Peppermint is so eloquent, and she is so lovely to see her get her flowers and speaking on things that are really important. She was so. She was speaking on the don't say Gay bill in Florida, and it was her and the president of GLAAD on ABC News talking about it. You know, I just love pep.

[A]

Yeah, she's. She's on the. She's on the. She's on the board for glaad. Drag mama.

[B]

My drag mother is Honey Davenport.

[A]

Change of tone. I'm so glad to see you saying

[B]

it so easily these days. That's so interesting. I'm so proud of you.

[A]

There was just a period of time where it wasn't so easy to get it out of you. There was a period of time. There was a period of time.

[B]

Can you tell me when this period of time was? Do you want to show me some proof of.

[A]

Was when your mother was on RuPaul's Drag Race?

[B]

I never not said she was my drag mother. Bob. I'm not here for this narrative.

[A]

Okay, you know what? All I'll say is you all can. You can play that beautiful bean footage, and you will see Monet pussyfooting around. And then one day, her mama called that ass and said, nigga, say my name. And all of a sudden, Monet started cleaning up her act. Monet said, I need Davenport, honey. David Davenport. Did you ever want to. I heard that somewhere you publicly acknowledged recently that I'm kind of your drag mom. I can't believe you. Like, I heard that somewhere on the record recently, someone was like, I'm so glad that Monet finally said that. Bob's her drag mom.

[B]

We're gonna take a break, and I will think of where that could be, because I've never heard that. I'm gonna take a break and maybe reassess.

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[A]

Well, we're back, everyone. We're already back. And we're back. You're done to the break. You're not.

[B]

You're done.

[A]

So do you want to acknowledge that

[B]

interview, first of all? Okay, okay. I did not acknowledge. I mean, I said you're my drag mom was more for a joke and not necessarily factual, if that makes sense.

[A]

Oh, you think that. You think me being your drag mom is funny? You think me being someone's dragon is

[B]

fine because you're not my drag mom? Interesting.

[A]

Interesting. You know, I'm very interesting these days. Me and that comment are very interesting, honey, you are. So do you not want me to be your drag moment because I'm not popular enough? Is that what it is?

[C]

Hmm?

[B]

You know, I need to remember that. I need to take.

[A]

If you don't acknowledge this smart segue, I'm done with you. Oh, before we go in. Oh, my God. Anyway, before we go into our topic, which is popularity, can I just say right now that Monat. What? I found out that it's not just me, so I feel less. I feel less. It feels less personal nowadays. But Monet is having a birthday celebration where her and her friends are going to the drugs. Not the drugs.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I didn't say the drugs. Monet and her friends are going to the beach and having fun in a way that Monet thinks I won't enjoy.

[B]

Okay, Bob, you don't like the Beast,

[A]

but I did find out. But I did find out recently that Monet has also extended this half ass, this halfway invitation to several other sober people. I found out through the grapevine that Monet's boyfriend got the same invitation I got, and so did a close friend of ours. But let me give y' all the invitation. It was. This was wild. This was. This is how Monet invites me to her things well, I'm having a party, but you probably won't want to go. Like you don't want to. You don't even want to be there. But this. I'm technically inviting you, but you probably. You don't want to go. Like you don't want to do this. But, like, you are being invited. But, like, you're going to hate it. You'll hate it. That was the invitation I got. So I decided, Monet, that I'm going to have a birthday party on 22 June, and everyone coming has to be 90 days clean and sober.

[B]

Okay, I am going to.

[A]

Everyone at the event has to be 90 days.

[B]

Okay, let me say this. I want y'.

[A]

All. Are you going to commit.

[B]

I don't know what episode it was. I want y' all to rewind. It's when we were discussing Patty coming over to play video games, and then Bob and I got on this, as we do, this whole snowball of an argument, and Bob was like, oh, you invited to me? You invited me to your house? He asked Patty, we invited to your house when everybody was drinking.

[A]

And.

[B]

And Bob made a whole stick about me bringing him to my house where people were drinking. I was like, why would you want to come to a birthday party where people are going to be drinking? I might take a mushroom or something. Like, why would you want to come to that? And so. But just for argument.

[A]

You better twist.

[B]

But for argument's sake. For argument's sake, I was like, you can come to the birthday party. I'm probably going to be wasted. I'm probably going to be on a little magical mushroom. But I have been very.

[A]

Yes, I have said that to you.

[B]

No, that's not what happened.

[A]

What happened was. What happened was we had a discussion about Patty coming over, and everyone was playing video games. And Pat, there was nothing about me saying. It was saying everyone was wasted. You said you invited me over and everyone was wasted. That never. That literally never. When have you ever invited me over to your house? Everyone's wasted. And I go, everyone was drunk and wasted.

[B]

Well, we had to. This was in this conversation about the Patty thing. Yet later on, we were talking. I don't know how we got to that point, but I was saying it was just like. And then you. No, you brought up you coming to my house, and you was like, everybody was drinking. I. Everybody wasn't drinking. I was like, maybe it was me and Pixie, but you. You said, everybody was drinking. That was you. And I don't remember what episode it was because I do not remember.

[A]

Yes, it did.

[B]

Oh, my God, Jacob.

[A]

Do you know the episode Come through, Mom. Give us nothing. Give us nothing.

[B]

You better. Don't you. Don't you dare jujube me on this podcast. Don't you fucking dare.

[A]

I cannot believe you said that. And also, if I said everyone was drinking, I think that maybe I'll take a little bit. Maybe you could take some advice that you gave me one time. That's not how I meant. All I said was what? Everyone was drinking, which is probably true. Everyone probably was drinking. I didn't go. And everyone was drinking and drunk. I've also. I've worked with Pixie for probably. Me and Pixie have been friends for. I mean, years. Years and years. I have never in my life seen Pixie drunk. I've seen Pixie maybe a little too. I have never seen Pixie drunk a day in my life. Yeah, you.

[B]

Well, what was it, Pixie? Oh, when I went. When Pixie and I went to Tulum and we went to Cancun afterwards, I had these, like, crazy edibles. Bitch. I mean, I think, like, one edible, like, this big had like maybe like 30 milligrams in it. And I gave her the edible. And Pixie was so fucking high. She's like, monet, I have never. And I was like, girl, I brought you over to Mesopotamia. And then she was like, oh, my God. Gag. Yeah, she was gagged. She was gagged. She was a mess.

[A]

I did not go, everyone's drunk. I think the one time I hung out with you and not everyone was drunk, but you and Plastique were drinking. And actually, interesting enough, the more Plastique drinks, the better she gets at smash. It was crazy.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That's so cocktails. I was like. Cause we were. I mean, like, everyone was whooping Plastique's ass. We were beating Plastique. She was horrible. Not good. Plastique got her pretty ass up, took two sips of a cocktail, sat back down, and the next thing you know, she wins a round. Plastique does a couple of shots, I mean, and beats everybody.

[B]

And me and Kim.

[A]

Cause me and Kim don't drink. Me and Kim were like, what the fuck is. Me and Kim are like, is this bitch serious? And she was like, girl, girl. I was like, honestly, you go to work if Latique.

[B]

If Latique has a little alcohol. She gets very good at smack. It is very interesting. It is insane behavior that she just. She just gets good at smash. I mean, she's good, but she gets, like, a Drink.

[A]

I'm just kidding. That's not true. That's not true.

[B]

And plastic does not drink and drive herself.

[A]

She drives a fucking. She drives a Tesla. The car drives herself. Who knows? I don't fucking know.

[B]

Plastique, just to be very clear, plastique does not drink and drive. I've never known plastique to ever drink and drive. I want to be very clear about that.

[A]

You don't know what plastique does in her life. You don't.

[B]

I have never seen it. You used to drink.

[A]

You know, two people used to drink and drive. You and Thorgy used to get hammered.

[B]

I would not. Bob, you are so full of shit.

[A]

Thorgy used to get hammered and then be like, bye, everybody.

[B]

That's Thorgy. Bob, you have never. Back in the day, you would never see me get hammered and drive home. You know that. I was not hammered. Now, I will admit it was irresponsible for me to even have one cocktail and drive. But you have. Well, first of all, if you. First of all, I know if you saw me hammered, you would not be like Monet. Like, you know, I would never get hammered. Would I have a cocktail? Even though now you don't ever see me get. When do you see me drunk? I don't get drunk.

[A]

Ooh, you sound. Have you ever heard the expression the hit dog a holler? You ever heard that expression before? A hit dog a holler. So I would say this last story, Monet used to get twisted off the margaritas at the Monster. And then one day, Monet was at the Monster, twisted off these frozen margaritas. And I said Monet was like, wild. And then I said, monet, I've never. I said, monet, give me your keys, bitch. Give me your fucking keys. And Monet was like, no. And I was like, monet, you're not. You are not. Monet was like, I can drive. It was like a scene from a movie. I'm good.

[B]

That is not true. To drive. You're so hyperbolic.

[A]

Granted.

[C]

We.

[A]

Granted. What did you say then when I asked you for.

[B]

You don't remember me asking for your keys, Bob? They wouldn't have me asking, but it was also. Y' all know Bob is so extra. So again, I would admit maybe I had one of some margaritas. Bob is acting like I was like, look, I got my time. That was not the case. He probably would act like I was.

[A]

Who do you think has a better memory of the night? The one who had no drinks. Me.

[B]

I had. I. Who do you think had a Better

[A]

memory of the night.

[B]

I was aware of my faculties, and I was not drunk, falling over, tripping over shit. You acting like I was fucking throwing up walking through my car. You are.

[A]

Anyway. Were you purple in high school? Were you.

[B]

I was not like a.

[A]

Were you popular at. At the. At the. At the. At the liquor store?

[B]

Were you popular AA with your drunk ass? With your alcoholic ass?

[A]

Actually, was. I actually was popular. I was actually Miss Sobriety at one point in time. Literally, Miss Sobriety. Wow.

[B]

And now. Now how you're my back in the day, how you've turned your back on the community. Anyway, I was not like. A lot of people liked me. Like, I've always been, like, a very likable person, but I was also like. My school just was not a traditional school, so it wasn't like. Because I went to PPAs, professional performing arts school. So you really only hung out with, like, your majors a lot? Because after, like, I think after, like, lunchtime at noon, they would bust all of us to, like, these different places. Like, we would take. Our school was on 48th street in Manhattan, and we would take a bus up to Harlem to 135th street, and we would just be in the vocal department, and we would do our rest of the school, like, every day. That was.

[A]

But your school was in different places.

[B]

Yeah, so our main school was on 48th street, but all the vocal kids went to Songs of Solomon uptown and went on 135th. All the dancers went to Alvin Ailey over on 50 Whatever Street. All of the ballet dancers went to ABT at Lincoln center, but the drama kids stayed in the building. Their drama parade was aside. We all went to the different.

[A]

And was this four different classes? Did you spend your entire day uptown?

[B]

Well, yeah, we spend our entire day from noon until school was over 3:30. Would spend our entire day uptown every day, Monday through Friday.

[A]

What do you mean, noon? So you went to the main building, and then by noon you transferred to uptown?

[B]

Yeah, they would have school buses outside. And we'll take the buses. The bus would take us uptown to Vocal.

[A]

Bitch. I will never get New York City. New York City will never. I mean, New York City, like, public schools will never make sense to me. That is way wild. Why is that wild?

[B]

Did you feel like an adult?

[A]

I mean, it's just so different from my school experience. You know, we had multiple buildings. They were all on the same property. Like, you went from the vocational building to the main building to the trailer park for classes, but we did not. There was no, like, every Day. A bus uptown. I mean, how long did that take? Even, Even.

[B]

I mean, every day. It would probably take us like maybe like 15, 20 minutes every day because our school's right on 48th and 9th, so you just get on the west side Highway. The west side highway would take us all the way up to where we needed to go. It's like it was this every day we do it.

[A]

I'm just gagged that your school day included 20 minutes of transit every day. That is just. And that is just wild to me. I remember being a New Yorker living in New York City and dreading being on the train between like 3:30, 3:00' clock and 4:00'. Clock. It was the worst time. I mean, full grown adults, big ass grown adults were afraid to be on the train because these, these kids, these middle schools and high schools will flood the train system.

[B]

Oh, they're bad.

[A]

They're vapid. They, they are, you know, you know, the energy of a child being released from school and then you just dump it onto the mta. That shit was. I was like, I will walk and get on the train at 3 o' clock.

[B]

And like, and they like, they all like huddle on the thing and they're like kind of sitting down. What is when kids from school have their book bags on and they sit next to you on the thing so their big ass book bag is all bumping against you and they're like all playing like, Jason, move, stop. And they're like pushing and pulling each other and pushing. Yeah, New York City kids are very rambunctious and cantankerous. Honey on the train. It's very annoying.

[A]

I told the story before, but I'll never forget the time I saw this girl who looked like she might have. I mean, she literally looked like Dora the Explorer. She had on a backpack, these little shorts. She had a bob. And she looked so cute. And then her friend was getting off the train, and as her friend got off the train, she just yelled out, bye, faggot. And the doors closed. And I was like, oh, my God, this is wild.

[B]

Do you think she was popular, this cute little girl?

[A]

Bye, faggot. I mean, she sounded like it. She had at least one faggot friend, that's for goddamn sure.

[B]

Were you popular in high school?

[A]

They were close. That's a hard question to answer. I was not the popular kid, although I was in several positions of leadership at my school. And I think that lots of people. I was notably very funny. I used to often win my school's rap battles which would come with a level of prestige and popularity. We have rap battles pretty much every. Every day at lunch. And I would occasionally go into the rap battle and like, you know, do my thing. So winning the rap battles gave me a lot of popularity. But I was also gay and the president of the drama club, which is not terribly cool. But again, I was also part of a club called gq, which was our men's step team, which was very cool. So it was like. It was always up and down for me. Everyone knew who I was, which I guess that might be a version of popularity. Everyone in school didn't know who I was for sure.

[B]

Oh yeah, sure. So you guys did rap battles? In my school, we would do a thing where everybody would sing in the lunchroom. Like, people would sing and everyone would gather around them. People would be singing. A lot of times it was Mariah Carey. One Sweet Day was a big song people would sing to. Even though it was old at that point, it was getting popular again. Also Danity Kane stuff. There was this boy named David. Oh my God, David. David Simpkins. He was part of this group called 718 and David was so fucking hot. I would. In high school, I would have given anything to fucking drop my brown round on David Simpkins fucking senior dick. And. Cause he was so hot and he was such a good singer. He was. You know what? You know, when n could sing, it just ups the. It just. It just like gives me everything I need. And David was so fucking hot. And every day at lunch people would like gather around him and he would sing. And I was like, oh, my God, this nigga is so fucking sick.

[A]

What in the euphoria high? This is wild. Also, by the way, I found a study a while back which you never acknowledged. And I posted it on the Patreon that said that drug use amongst young people is as low as it's ever been. You were like, no, euphoria is showing the truth.

[B]

But some people. But also some people like posted. And you're saying that you posted articles. Other people posted articles like, well, but that only shows this. And they show. I mean, I'm not saying yours was wrong, but they were saying that it was this old study. And it was also saying the region, how it was regionalized was like, weird. But I mean, I don't fucking know. I'm not a damn statistician or whatever

[A]

the fuck my study was from a.gov website from the statistic from the National Bureau of statistics from 2018. 2018, which is four years ago. Three years ago. By the time when I posted it, probably.

[B]

Actually, no, you posted it this year, so it's four.

[A]

But there's also a. Probably a chance that the numbers have not spiked to peak numbers in the past four years. And anyway, that's not the point. That is always your argument.

[B]

You don't know. You don't know that. Who were the popular kids in your school? Do you. Do you do, like, who were, like, the really popular ones? The ones that everyone knew and everyone loved?

[C]

Yeah,

[A]

it was very cool. He was a high school bully. He was like a. Like, the category is I was terrified of, like, I heard a rumor that once bought a gun to school, and I was like, oh, my God. And I was, like, terrified.

[B]

Why does he have a telephone? You think he really brought a gun to school?

[A]

Let's bleep out his name. Because he did end up getting arrested down the line. Like, he's one of the folks who. Who ended up getting arrested and, like, didn't come back to school. And he was. Yeah, he was. He was wild. Jamila Carter was also very popular. And we. Oh, my God. We, too, was this lesbian at my school who was the. One of the drum majors. And the drum majors were, like, the most popular people at my school.

[B]

Very popular in the South.

[A]

When drumline came out, I went. I went. I was in high school when the movie Drama line came out. I actually went to the Georgia Dome. Damn you old. Damn. To be in the audience when Drum

[B]

line came out, I was in, like, elementary.

[C]

I am.

[A]

We've discussed this. I am only a few years older than you. No, I'm only a few years older than you. So if I was in high school, you were in middle, we can find out what your drum line came out right? Right now, honey, I'm about to tell you. But anyway, she was one of the. One of. She was one of the. The drum majors. And we. I was like. It was 2002.

[B]

Yeah. So that means I was 12, which

[A]

means I was in sophomore high school. No, if you're four years younger than

[B]

me, I was in seventh grade.

[A]

You were in. Not ninth, not seven. So you. But what happened in elementary school anyway? She was one of the drum majors, and she was so cool. Like, she was this, like, out queer person in our school and in this. In black communities, typically speaking, sometimes. And I'm not trying to diminish the experiences of Sapphic people, but sometimes it is easier for you get more of an acceptance as, like, a butch lesbian, as a feminine gay guy. And we, too, Got. We two got. She got so. She was just so cool, so popular, and I've always loved her. I wonder what she's up to these days.

[B]

Sometimes I find it.

[A]

Who's popping your school?

[B]

It goes around to, like, if you're like a really. I've noticed too, if you're like, not as much as like, butch lesbians, but sometimes if you're like a really, really, really overtly femme guy, gay guy for. Some people love that shit too.

[A]

And wait, maybe. Maybe in New York City, but girl at my school, rest in peace to Ryan Conrad, who. Who did pass away this past year from COVID Ryan Conrad was our, like, resident queer and Ryan Conrad was like, gay. Ryan Conrad is the first person I've ever seen in my, like, with my own eyes in full drag. We had a cross dress day during spirit week. And Ryan Conrad, really the school.

[B]

Okay, that progressive?

[A]

Well, I mean, yeah, everyone did it though. It was kind of like everyone did a cross dress day. Even some of the teachers did a cross dress day. And Ryan was in. Ryan was in pajama. I mean, Ryan was in a beaded gown and updo in the school. His drag name was. His drag name was something. St. James. I'm trying to figure. I'm trying to remember Ryan's drag name, but big shout out to Ryan Conrad. Rest in peace. I mean, we actually talked a few times back and forth over, over the phone, over Facebook about, like, what's the, like, audition for drag Race? Should I audition? And he had a twin, too. And for some reason, twins in my school were, like, even more popular if you were a twin, like, your popularity. Shut up even more. For some reason,

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[B]

in my school, I can't remember who was popular. I remember this one girl, her name was Bailey something. And like, there was like, there were like, rumors because, again, I went to school in the city, so a lot of kids. So many different types of kids, right? And then but this girl, like, she was very, like, she looked. She was a. She was a white woman.

[A]

And.

[B]

But she dressed really grungy. Like, almost like she looked homeless. And it was like, oh. But, you know, like, her dad, like, owns Deer Park. What do you mean? Owns Deer Park. The city. And like, no, like, her dad owns Deer park water. So. And we were like. So there was this rumor that Bailey's.

[A]

You're fully talking about Thorgy. You fully went to high school with Thorgy.

[B]

That was like. So that made it cool that her dad was.

[A]

It's pronounced Thorgy.

[B]

That her dad was like, super. Like, her family was like, super rich. So I remember Bailey, like, having a name around his Google. Everyone was like, oh, my God, her dad owns Dere park water. Like, that's crazy. And then there was another person. I don't. She was really the most. Again, my school had so many different tribes. It wasn't like one person that was like, super popular. Like, you watch movies like, she's all that and all these, like, high school coming of age films like Can't Hardly Wait. I mean. And I. I don't. I don't remember that being the case in my high school. I also always went to really small schools, so everyone knew each other. Like, my high school, my graduating class was like, maybe. Maybe 100 people. In college, my graduating class was 75 people. I've always went to really small schools.

[A]

So are you sure it was Deer Park? Because Deer park is owned by Nestle. I mean, if that bitch that it owned Nestle, that is because Nestle. That is wild. Also, apparently Nestle is apparently a really problematic company. Apparently.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it was never confirmed.

[A]

Apparently Nestle contributes to. Apparently. I mean, you can do your. You can do your own research. Why is it going. Apparently we do take money from Dove ads that Nestle runs. Nestle owns Dove.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Who owns Dove?

[B]

The fracking.

[A]

No, Unilever owns Dove.

[B]

Well, you know. You know, there's this video on TikTok I saw a long time ago of this woman getting. Because she was in Iceland, this American woman, she's like, where do I get water? And they're like, it's the river. And she's like, I can't drink this water. And they're like, yes, the river is so pure and apparent. Like, the water. The rivers in, like, Iceland, like, just natural springs are so good. Like, they don't need, like, filtration. You can literally just take your fucking canister to a streaming. And she did it. And the water was like, really Good, apparently. But you can never do that in America, bitch.

[A]

Never. Did they not have. Did they not have running water? Why not just go to the sink?

[B]

Because she was like. She was like. She was obviously. They probably amped it up on TikTok, and she was probably like. It was probably like, a video for TikTok. I'm sure. I'm sure there's running water, bitch. But they were just. Bitch.

[A]

Why do you. I was like, bitch, go to your fucking scene.

[B]

Speaking of, you posted something on Instagram today. Everyone has said, I haven't had a chance to watch it. I've been, like, going, going, going. What? Did you mention me something?

[A]

Oh, my God. I can tell you what it is. No, I did not. I did not mention you. They're like. They're like. They were like, first libraries, now movie theaters. I posted. I said. I said, can we just. I want to watch the new Batman movie, but I do not want to go to a theater. I was like, can we just release the movies straight to film, like, so we can watch them at home to, like, Amazon or Netflix, like, right away? Like, we've evolved past this. So. By the way, the comments are actually, like, very split down the middle. The comments are like. Some folks are like, absolutely not. I love theater. The other folks are like, no, seriously, like, I. This is too much. I'm not paying the $75 to watch a movie. But the comments are very down the middle. Adam Lambert has chimed in. Adam Lambert is like. Adam Lambert agrees. Mila Jam has chimed in. Mila Jam is like, no, no, no, no.

[B]

I love going to the movies.

[A]

Peach's crisis chimed in. She has said, no, absolutely not.

[B]

But I think that if we end up doing that, it's gonna be like. It's gonna be like, when Mulan came on Disney, that shit was $30. You're gonna end up paying more money because the corporations or the movie companies, they're gonna try to make that money back in some way. So they're not gonna be, like, for free on the thing.

[A]

I'll pay more. I'll pay more up front. I'll pay more up front if you release the movie. And everyone can't afford the fucking movie theater either. That's the point. I'm saying movie theaters are not. You think movie theaters are the cheap alternative?

[B]

I did not say that.

[A]

Is that what you think?

[B]

I'm not saying that, but I'm saying if you. At least when you go to a movie theater, like, they're offering you an experience. Bitch, you sitting on your Couch at home. You're not getting an experience. You're paying $30 to sit down on your fucking couch and watch it. As opposed to going to the movies. Making a date night, like doing like taking your kids on the weekend. Like it is an experience as opposed to just sitting your ass at home.

[A]

Bitch. Speak for yourself. I'm having an experience in my home. Speak for yourself, honey. I am having a great experience. I'm loving myself, having fun with a close friend or one of my partners. It is an experience to me. I am living. So folks are like, first libraries, now cinemas. What else do you want to take from us, Bob? There's like a lot of these comments are like, Bob, this section more split down the middle. Keeja Carr is like, no, there's a famous makeup artist named Ellie Luna who is like, I agree. So it has really lit the Internet up on where their stance. I also, I don't want to abolish movie theaters. I think.

[B]

But you want to abolish libraries.

[A]

Release both at the same time. Like, I don't actually want to abolish libraries. I've mentioned this. I'm not going into this again. I'm not revisiting libraries. You're like, we're not.

[B]

You're like, guys, I do not want to. People on the Internet swear. I want to abolish libraries. I don't want to abolish libraries. I'm just saying the buildings can be.

[A]

What I said is we can use the space more wisely. That is all I'm saying. We can use the space more wisely. We should be looking at systems and where they can improve. That is what we should be doing as a nation.

[B]

Well, you are. Honestly, I be trying to explain to people about the drag queen. You are. You are one of a kind.

[A]

You are popular.

[B]

You are so. You are such a unique situation. I just can't. You are a. You're insane.

[A]

What's. I mean, sure I'm like relatively unique, but like, I'm not like wild. I'm not like in these streets doing something wild and kooky and woo hoo hoo. What is so wild about me? You are wild. Actually, you are the one that's wild, bitch. You, you are kooky and nutty as hell.

[B]

Okay, let's get back to the topic because they're not gonna drag us. Not Bob, emanate. Talk about the topic for five seconds. Who are the popular rude girls who the popping material grow out?

[A]

Well, how many girls you want me to name? Like top 10? You want me to try to think of a top 10?

[B]

Top 10? I'm more popular, like, among other girls. Like, is there RU girls who.

[A]

Like everyone likes everyone gets. Oh, amongst the girls. Amongst the girls. Who are the popular RU girls? Who do all the girls like? Amongst the girls, you know who, honest, I think is amongst the girls, like probably the most popular RU girl that everyone loves. And honestly, I love her too. I've never had a Gottmik. Gottmik is just a very popular Ruger. Like everyone, not just, but celebrities. She did this. There's a trend on. On TikTok where you call people and then immediately hang up. The. The fact that she called all those people and they all answered

[B]

was wild thing. But you also do the thing where you just call girls randomly. So maybe. But you've also. On the other side of that has. You've had the most fight with other girls that I know other people have had fights. I just don't know. You've had the most fights with other girls, but you also just call people randomly. So that's the thing too with you.

[A]

But they're never like major fights. I've never had any, like, drag down, knock. I mean, I've had a few. I've had some. I've had a few arguments with a couple of people in my life, but I don't think that I've had these arguments that are like grand, massive fights. I think they're like relatively, you know, it's usually the wares of being on the road together, but never like. I mean, I think that outside of. Outside of those, like just being in close proximity with people for a long time fights, I haven't really had any, like, I don't really have them on the Internet. I mean, we had our thing with that one drag queen from Chicago and that one drag queen from Atlanta, but outside of that, we haven't really had any big. I haven't had any big things.

[B]

I don't know who you're talking about. Have you? Well, I mean, what's. I think what's a little juicier.

[C]

Who.

[B]

Who are the unpopular girls? No, I'm kidding. That is so. And by unpopular I mean who are like the. Who are the bitches that nobody likes because they messy and nasty.

[A]

I dare you to name one. I dare you. One of Monet's vodka girls is. Is Girl.

[B]

Girl. Oh, what they are. There's also thing. A popular Orange.

[A]

You glad I didn't say her name. Orange. You glad I didn't bloody say her name. Orange You Bloody glad I didn't say her name. Anyway, who are.

[B]

Who are popular gays? Like, I feel like popular, popular gays are people like Tom Daly. He's a gay. Because, you know, I feel like Tom Daly is a popular gay guy, you know?

[A]

Okay, this is not. Maybe won't be as interesting to everyone listening at home, but I will do this quickly. New York City has popular gays who are like. Like, Rupert Baxter is a popular gay. Rupert Baxter used to work at the Wendy Williams show, and one of those gays who just.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no. William, you bought Willie. Willie worked at Wendy, Rupert worked at away, and he worked at Facebook.

[A]

I think all worked there, didn't they?

[B]

No, only Willie did.

[A]

Yeah, well, they would all hang out together. I just remember one time. Well, they brought me, as a group, they brought me these Louboutins that were Wendy Williams as a gift. When I got on Drag Race to one of my shows, it was just like, this group of really cool, fierce, black gay guys who would come to our shows a lot. And they gave me this gift of Wendy Williams Louboutins before. Right. Like, as. As my. Like. Well, congratulations gift. Also. Kyle. You remember Kyle from Lion King?

[B]

Oh, my God. Kyle. Kyle. What's Kyle's last name? Kyle. Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle, Kyle.

[A]

I can't remember, but Kyle. Kyle's one. I don't know if he's still in the Lion King, but he's in Lion King.

[B]

He's doing a tour of Frozen.

[A]

Oh, really? I can't remember Kyle's last name, but Kyle was one of those folks who. Who. We used to call him Mariah Carey because he. One time, me and Kyle almost got into it. Me and Kyle and. And. And Pixie. Me and Pixie vs Kyle. Because it was. Oh, girl. Because Kyle is a Mariah. Super. Like, y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

Like a. Like a motherfucking lamb. Lamb. Okay. And then one time, a lamb slaughter. Bob Lamb's clothes thing. Yeah, because one time, Pixie made a joke about Mariah. Uhhuh. And then we were, like, laughing, and then Kyle was like, this is not funny.

[B]

This was on stage. Or was it. Y' all were just, like, hanging out

[A]

on stage. Me and Pixie were on stage, and Pixie, I think, made a joke about Mar. Mariah. And then Kyle was like, this is not. I don't think this is funny, guys. And then we were like, okay, we're just kidding. And then he was like. He got. He was getting hot. Like, he was hot. And he was like, I'm dead ass serious. This is not funny. And I'm gonna leave if you make another joke about Mariah.

[B]

Oh, y' all know that's all Bob needs. So of course Bob probably triple down.

[A]

And let me try to explain Kyle. Kyle is like really hot.

[B]

Very hot.

[A]

Kyle is hot.

[C]

Hot.

[A]

Kyle's probably like 6ft tall. He's a light skinned black guy, great body and can like a beautiful face. Can sing, has kind of a high voice which is also part of why we called him Mariah. He had a really high voice when he spoke. And by the way, I love Kyle. Me and Kyle's mom still DM me too. She love Sandy. Yeah, I love. Yes, I love Kyle. I love Kyle's mom. But we did one time have a falling out when. When Pixie started making fun of me. Also one time Pixie made a joke about Whitney Houston and this other die hard fan got up and was like, like he wanted to fight him. And Pixie were like, I mean scream. Like the number was still playing. It was joy. It was Whitney Houston's Joy to the world. Because what Pixie said was right before the number she goes, well, it's snowing today, so I figured I'd do Whitney. And then she started the number and this guy was like, immediately got up and started screaming like, that is no

[B]

you.

[A]

And maybe I, I didn't pick that up neither, but maybe that's what she meant. I don't know. It's it. Anyway, so we're like, I mean, this guy. So at one point Pixie and this guy are like, I mean nose to nose screaming at each other while George the World plays in the background. And then Pixie would start off, grabbed the mic and was like, absolutely. This is ridiculous. She's like this like went off on this guy and then he stormed down. Then she goes, then with that, hit it. And then Patrick Kuzara hit play and it jumped right back in the same spot. It was a wild night. Yeah, that was a wild night, honey.

[B]

But do you relish in the fact

[A]

that you enjoy peace, love, joy, Joy. Sorry, what were you saying?

[B]

Do you relish in the fact that you were a popular New York City queen?

[A]

I do. You know, being a proper New York City queen is actually probably. I always cite it as one of my biggest accomplishments because it's pretty tough to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To like make it in New York City as a popular queen with like. I'm not. It wasn't pre Instagram, but Instagram wasn't helping, I'll tell you that way I had, like, you know, not that many IG followers, but I really just did it through, like, beating the streets for seven years non stop.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? So I always take a lot of pride. That's what I still, to this day say that one of my biggest accomplishments was rising to the top of the New York City drag scene. For sure. How about you?

[B]

Yeah, I think. I do think it was. It is a very big part of my career. I'm very grateful that I was popular in New York City, and I think it made me the queen I am today. I feel like if I didn't have that popular, I mean, I would. I'm still Monet, I'm still Kevin, but I think working that hard to get to that point and really, really, really loving my city and really fucking giving it my all when I had. When I felt like I had nothing to give. I think fans and friends and supporters see that and it really makes them love you for their city. And it's nice to go back. And people still talk about things that you did in the city that they loved and how then that adoration, I love that. And I definitely take solace in the fact that I was a popular queen because not a lot of people can do that. New York City is a hard place to work and do drag. Cause you fucking worry about doing drag and paying your rent and da, da, da, and getting your car towed. And it's like, there's a lot. And I love working in New York City. I'm happy I started my drag in New York and not somewhere else.

[A]

Do you want to play a very messy game? Oh, God. This is a very messy game.

[B]

What?

[A]

You can say no, but once you commit, you got to commit. Okay, so do you want to play a messy game?

[B]

No, I need to. You can't agree to what it is until you can't just do I need to know what it is.

[A]

It's part of the game. It's part of the messy game. You have to agree now, and then I'll see what the game is. Bob, I told you this game was messy from the beginning. It's a very messy game. You want to play or not?

[B]

Okay. Does it involve only me being messy or are you part of the messiness? Because what you're not going to do is have me be the messy bitch and you sitting here like Monet. What happened?

[A]

You can reverse it back on me after I do it to you. I'll do it for four rounds to you, then you can do it for four Rounds to me.

[C]

Now.

[B]

We're alternating. That is too messy. We're alternating. You are so. You are such a messy bitch.

[A]

One, then one. So one. One, one, one. Okay, so you want. So do you want to play the game?

[B]

Let's do it. What's up?

[A]

All right, I'm going to name two Drag Race girls, and you tell me who is more popular. I'm going to name two Drag Race girls. Tell me who's more popular and who's a piece of shit. All right, Plastique, T ara and Kim Chi. Who's more popular?

[B]

Oh, my God. Well, that. Okay, here's the thing. That was a draw. Kim has, like, so many fucking Instagram followers. Plastique has so many TikTok followers. And Kim has a makeup line, okay? This is how popular Kimchi is. People are making duplicates of her makeup on Santi Alley. Kim's makeup is so big.

[A]

That is true.

[B]

They sell fakes of her product on Santi Ali. But Plastique, T ara has fucking, like, 5 million TikTok followers. So I honestly, genuinely think that's a draw because TikTok is obviously a huge platform.

[A]

Monet. No, we're not playing. We're not playing. There's no draws. Who's more popular, Kimchi or E Plasti Tiara. Right now.

[B]

I'll say Kimchi. Damn, you are such a. You are so extra. You are so extra. All right, you do me. Go ahead. Who's more popular? Ooh, who's a good one to get you with? Ooh. Okay. Violet Chachki or Alaska Thunderfuck?

[A]

I'm gonna go with. Okay, Violet Chachki or Alaska. Oh, this is a tough one, because Violet is very, very respected in the fashion scene. I mean, she is respected down. In fact, she DM me some real shade when I tweeted. When I, like, was Instagramming from the Coach shoot, the Coach show, she was like, second row, fire your publicist. That's literally what she. I want to find the things she wrote me. I was like, bitch, I am at this show. She's like, second row ill. Not ill. You forget her because she posted her

[B]

being in, like, the back row something. Oh, my God, I should have. I wish I would have known that, Bob. You need to tell me these things so I could be like, you need to send this bitch. Send this. Say to her, bitch, fifth row, you should kill yourself.

[A]

She said, wait, your second row. Don't you work for them? Fire your publicist.

[C]

God.

[B]

But.

[A]

So she is very respected in the fashion world. I Mean, her and Mick are just traveling around, going to all these profession week. Ms. Thing is busy. She is busy, busy.

[B]

Yeah, I'm busy.

[A]

I think that the Alaska is one of the most respected girls in terms of the RuPaul's Drag Race franchise. She's one of the ones that they're all like, oh, she's really is that. But I'm gonna go ahead and give it to Ms. Violet Chasky. I think really follows on ignore. I think, I think Violet.

[B]

I don't know if that's true. I think it's Alaska.

[A]

Yeah. I think that Violet also, like, when we look at Violet's pictures, they consistently get like, well, not that one. Violet has 2 million. Alaska has 1.8. I looked at her, I was like, look. I was like, her pictures always get the most likes. And I saw when I was like, well, that one.

[B]

So you're saying Violet Chops.

[A]

It's pretty common for her to get over 100,000 likes on posts on IG. I'm going to give this. This round goes to. In this corner, Violet Chachki.

[B]

Okay, work. This is such a messy.

[A]

Let's do two more each. Okay, you ready? Uh huh. This is. I told you it was messy. All right, who's more popular, Manila Luzon or Latrice Royale?

[B]

Manila Luzon. Manila Luzon. Manila Luzon.

[A]

Wow, that was so quick.

[B]

Yeah, Manila Luz for sure.

[A]

Really? You really said that. You didn't really linger on that one at all, did you?

[B]

And I'll say y' all chime below what you guys think too. I'm interested. Okay. I have one for you, V. Simone or Gigi Goode?

[A]

Oh, Simone. First of all, Simone won Drag Race. Let's just make that clear. Also, bitch. Symone is. This bitch is out here in these streets. Met gala late night with Jimmy Kimmel. Except RuPaul's hosting instead. She's in this fucking Billy Eichner movie that I auditioned for. Got the role I auditioned for. Landed that shit. Like Symone is in these streets, letting the sweet taste fool everybody. Honey, Easy. Symone better work. Easy on me, baby. All right, this is my last one. You ready?

[B]

Uh huh. I know exactly what you're gonna do. I know exactly what. Me or you?

[A]

Me or you.

[B]

So messy. I would say Z, you have. Answer the question, mom, you have way more Instagram followers. I mean, not Instagram. You have way more. Do you have like, what, how much you TikTok you have now?

[A]

Yeah, Instagram. Yeah. Yeah, nigga, Yeah. I have way more Instagram.

[B]

You have way more. You have 1.6. I have 1. 1 million. You have. But you have. You have. You have almost 3 million TikTok followers. You love TikTok.

[A]

But I will say this. The girls answer the phone when you call. People do not answer to the phone. But I called them. People do not. Maybe that's not. Maybe I'm hyperbolizing this and, like, doing more. But I'd be like, this bitch did not answer the phone when I fucking called this bitch. Why do bitches not answer the phone when I call? Do people always answer the phone when you call?

[B]

Well, pretty much. Pretty much call someone right now.

[A]

Who you gonna call? You and I both pick a rude girl right now. We both call them, see if they answer.

[B]

Who you gonna call? Well, if we both call them back to back, Bob, they're gonna. They're gonna. It's gonna. You know what I mean?

[A]

No. Different people. Different people.

[B]

O. Um.

[A]

Call.

[B]

No, I'm gonna pick for you.

[A]

You tell me who to call, and I'll tell you who to call.

[B]

Okay. You. I don't know who's on my phone.

[A]

I want you to call. I want you to call. I'm gonna have that number one. I want you to call. I want you to call Brooklyn Heights.

[B]

Call Brooklyn. Oh, God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Listen to me, all right?

[A]

And just say you're on the podcast. I just wanted to see if you'd answer.

[B]

I know. This is my podcast too. I know how it works, baby. Can you hear?

[A]

Yeah, I can hear it. Hey, girl.

[B]

Hey, Brookie, it's Monet. You're on the podcast. Bob and I, we're playing. We were just calling you because Bob thinks that the girls don't answer. What? He called, and I was like, well, I love Brooke. I think Brooklyn would answer for me if I call. And you did.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Hi, Bob. Bob, can you.

[A]

Hey, how are you? That's how I said, hey.

[B]

Oh, he said, hey. I have my headphones on, so you can't hear me. He said, hey, girl. Hey, work. See, Bob, Brooklyn loves me, honey. Now I'm gonna. Oh, I love you more. I'll talk to you later.

[A]

Okay, bye.

[B]

Bye. Let's see.

[A]

Let me go through my. This is stressful. I don't wanna do this.

[B]

I don't wanna play this game.

[A]

I hate this game.

[B]

I don't like this game anymore.

[A]

No one's gonna answer.

[B]

How about you call Gigi goodbye, since you just dog walked her just out. Oh, God.

[A]

We don't even talk that often. All right, here we go.

[B]

Oh, God. Oh, no.

[A]

I'M about to get embarrassed on my own podcast.

[B]

I can't hear it ring.

[A]

Gigi, pick up the phone, bitch.

[B]

Oh, here we go. I can hear it. I can hear it.

[A]

Bitch, you better pick up the fucking phone.

[B]

Do not clown me on this.

[A]

Do not clown me. Gigi good. Pick up the fucking phone, bitch. Take a break from doing black hair for three seconds and pick up the fucking. Oh, my God. I. I hate. She probably on Crenshaw doing her hair right now. This is so shady.

[B]

Nigga Dance by Gigi Good.

[A]

I knew this is. Please leave your. They never answered the phone for me. That's so shady. I hate this game. I hate it here.

[B]

Oh, that is funny, girl.

[A]

But I can call three in a row. No one will answer the phone. That is so shady.

[B]

I did on my latest YouTube.

[A]

I should have called Peppermint.

[B]

I started. Cause I started doing this thing. Okay, here's the thing. I don't know, Bob, honestly. Again, kudos to you. This is, again why I feel. With your popularity. I started doing YouTube videos. I recorded two. I was like, I can't. I was like, I can't. I'm over it. I just do not. I just don't have the desire. I want to do it anyway. But in my latest one, I was doing a get ready with me, and I just called a bunch of girls, and they all answered when I called.

[A]

Must be nice.

[B]

It must be nice.

[A]

I'm trying to get like you, my boy.

[B]

You trying to get like me, your boy? Yeah, but. Yeah, I mean, whatever. Listen, Bob, popularity is. It doesn't mean anything. When it was a competition, I won.

[A]

But also, I feel like whenever I call the girls, I always keep it short.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You know what? It's not for me to decide why they answer and don't answer when I call. All I know is that I'm doing my part in keeping the communication open.

[B]

Who do you think is the Most popular besides RuPaul? Who's the most popular judge?

[A]

Oh, Michelle. Michelle is huge. Michelle is huge. Michelle has more followers than all the other judges besides RuPaul, obviously.

[B]

Especially in our hometown of.

[A]

Especially of Britain. Yeah, she's massive in the uk. They fucking love her. There they go. Off from Michelle Visage. So shout out to Michelle. Michelle answers every time I call her. I want to throw that out.

[B]

Mirror. Michelle answer when I call her, too.

[A]

Who do you think the most popular guest judge on Drag Race has been?

[B]

I want to say Nicki.

[A]

Lady Gaga.

[B]

Nikki.

[A]

Lady Gaga.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Gaga is more popular than Nicki, for sure.

[A]

Yeah. I did this thing a while back where I was like, we're picking the general for the gay army.

[B]

I remember.

[A]

This is actually a really fun thing on Twitter. I should probably do it again soon. And Lady Gaga. It came down to Gaga versus Nicky. In Gaga edged Nikki out. Oh, that sounds hot. No, In Gaga edged Nikki out. And then when we came to picking the lesbian general, Queen Latifah. Ellen, who was. No, it was Queen Latifah. Queen Latifah won by, like. It was her versus one other person, but, like, a. Yeah, it was Queen Latifah vs AOC I mean, it was down to the fucking wire, and Queen

[B]

Latifah beat AOC well, why was AOC on the lesbian army?

[A]

I mean, why is Lady Gaga over the gay army?

[B]

I mean, because she's a gay icon. People love gay. Is she, like, a gay icon? I don't think is. Is AOC like, a lesbian icon?

[A]

Okay, so. So what happened was. Yes, she is. I found this out. Kennedy told me that AOC is a lesbian icon. I'm like, oh, no, she's not, bitch. AOC crushed everyone she went up against except Queen Latifah. Really? I mean, she does. I mean, everyone I put AOC up against, she pummeled them into the ground.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Y' all can go back and find the tweet. I don't know how. I don't know how to. To find an old tweet, but it was very wild. And AOC was. And her and Queen Latifah were neck and neck. It was like splitting hairs.

[B]

My ends aren't split.

[A]

But Queen Latifah won. This is a very interesting piece. Is it glued down?

[B]

No.

[A]

Is it really not?

[B]

Let me see.

[A]

This is glued down. No.

[B]

You can't get away with that glue.

[A]

Show me. You could know. You could not get away with not

[B]

going this one down.

[A]

That's not possible. Not this one. Oh, my God.

[B]

The magic of Edward Scissorhands. Look at this wig. Edward Scissorhands girl.

[A]

Edward, Is this that old Jennifer Hudson wig you used to make this? The old Jennifer Hudson wig he was working on back in the day. Finally come to come to light.

[B]

Can you tell the story before we go? Finally. Can you tell the story before we go? One more time. It's my favorite.

[A]

So Monet came over to my apartment when I was living on the Upper west side, and we were just, like, working. We were like, let's just hang out and, like, work on drag stuff. So I was like, Making an outfit. Monet was like, I'm gonna style a wig. So Monet brings over the only kitty cat. I mean, like, Monet is like, I'm gonna style. It is, like, short. It's shorter than the one she has on right now. It is a very short wig. So Monet is like. Like, Monae's like, oh, I'm doing this Jennifer Hudson number. I want to start doing this Jennifer Hudson number. Because everyone always tells Monet she liked Jennifer Hudson back in the day. So Monae started styling the wig, and we have been sitting in my apartment for, I think, two hours. Monet's just been fingering this wig.

[B]

No.

[A]

And, like, combing it. It was more than four hours.

[B]

It was, like, four hours, Bob

[A]

just spraying hairspray in it, combing it, blow drying it. When I tell you all this wig looked exactly how she brought it to my house at one point, I just looked over, and I what have you done? This wig. And then Monet goes, bitch, I don't know. And we both busted out laughing. I mean, this wig. When I tell you nothing about this wig changed. I mean nothing about this wig changed at all. Honestly, I always think about Monae styling that wig in my apartment.

[B]

Honestly, that was the first day I gave. That was the first time I tried working on hair. And I also gave up. I was like, I will never be good at hair. And I was like, I am good. I don't need to be doing hair. Yeah, that's true.

[A]

I can't style hair, but I can stack it. It. Stacking hair for me is a lot easier than styling it. So I can, like, pull my hair up in a bun, then put a thing on it, then put another thing, and, like, make a bun or something. But I. Girl Glo, Gloria Deina Ever Scissorhands, Carlos the uber driver, y' all are out here truly working. Y' all are truly out here. Yeah. Mark Marco's wigs, Y' all are really out here. I mean, these people are magicians. Getting hair to do what you want it to do is. Is beyond me. And shout out to y', all, trillian, I need y'. All.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe we can do a Patreon exclusive where we're talking about, like, our favorite wigs, like, three of our favorite wigs, and, like, I can bring mine as a frame to show people.

[A]

Well, you did your wig. Wardrobe. I have to go, like, get mine out of here. Okay, we don't have to do it now.

[B]

We can do it another time.

[A]

Actually, no. I have something here. I have something I can do. You know what? So we will see y' all on Patreon exclusive, and I will go grab my three favorite wigs, and you'll grab your three faves.

[B]

Yeah. Let's do it.

[A]

Work. All right, see y' all soon.

[B]

Bang.

[A]

Bye, everyone. See you on Patreon.