The One About Pride II

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – "The One About Pride II" (June 19, 2023)

Episode Overview

In this lively and heartfelt episode, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change—two of the biggest stars from RuPaul’s Drag Race and dynamic hosts of Sibling Rivalry—explore the many facets of Pride as queer entertainers. "The One About Pride II" covers everything from the realities of Pride gigs and wild parade stories to discussions about queer history, unforgettable Pride events, community icons, and parsing the experience of being visible, Black, and queer in the world today. Intertwining humor, real talk, and strong opinions, they celebrate queer joy, reflect on past challenges, and look to the future, all the while roasting each other with their signature chemistry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Proudly Exhausted: The Realities of Pride Season

• The Grind of Drag During Pride

  • Monet reflects on the hustle and physical toll that Pride gigs demand, recounting packed schedules and the literal exhaustion after weeks of celebrations.
    • "I used to love Pride. The Pride dolls make out like bandits for Pride. And you should." – Monét (27:43)
  • Bob shares how, with age, she’s started opting for a calmer Pride, preferring private viewing parties or chill gatherings over chaotic parade crowds.
    • "I have found a way to have a much calmer Pride in my age. As I’ve gotten older, my Pride no longer looks the way it used to look when I was in my 20s." – Bob (27:43)

• Why Drag Queens Get Up Early

  • Both talk about the brutal start times for NYC Pride floats and the challenge of enduring hours in drag before even stepping onto parade routes.
    • "When you line up, it is so early that it is dark outside." – Bob (30:54)

Going Down the Rabbit Hole: Memorable Prides & Gigs

• Favorite Cities & Stories

  • Monét and Bob share highlights from Prides in cities like New York, Washington D.C., Seattle, Anchorage, Selma (Alabama), and even references to international and virtual Prides.
    • "What were some of your most memorable Prides?" – Bob (35:20)
    • Selma, AL Pride: Bob describes it as an "emotional and impactful" experience—the event was small, secretive, and felt dangerous, but also life-affirming.
      • "I think that Selma Pride was probably the most emotional Pride I’ve ever had, ever." – Bob (41:54)
    • Anchorage, AL Pride: "The sun doesn’t go down during Anchorage Pride... I really lost a concept of what night and day was." – Bob (38:34)

• Money Talks

  • Monét admits corporate gigs during Pride pay very well, but the physical and emotional toll can be intense.
    • "Pride... you make so much money from corporate gigs... but when Pride was done, bitch, I was done." – Monét (27:22)

Community, Conflict & Chaos: Navigating the Internet and Real Life

• Curses, Chaos, and Online Antics

  • The duo discusses the chaos of social media; Bob admits to cursing people online (humorously), enjoying the discomfort he causes trolls and haters.
    • "I don’t believe in them. But it feels really good to curse people, because people who do believe in curses—it ruins their day." – Bob (11:19)

• Advice on Fighting & Safety

  • Bob gives a comedic yet earnest PSA about why you should never fight a skateboarder and why avoiding fights in public is the best course—due to unpredictable, sometimes fatal outcomes seen online.
    • "Do not ever fight. Ever fight a skateboarder. Ever. Do not fight a skateboarder." – Bob (15:39)
    • "If you’re around people who are encouraging you to fight, they are not your friends." – Bob (16:34)

Pride and Queer Community: Icons, Inclusion & Representation

• Dissecting "Mask for Mask" and Community Gatekeeping

  • Bob and Monét address gatekeeping within the gay community and the spectrum of queerness, reacting to online conversations that drag queens and ballroom "don’t represent all gay men."
    • "Just so you guys know, I don't like drag and ballroom or vogueing." – (paraphrasing a viral tweet), Monét retorts, "Eat my ass, faggot." (36:38)
  • They critique narrow definitions of queerness and celebrate the expanse of community culture.

• Choosing the Ultimate Grand Marshals of Pride

  • Each host selects three “grand marshals” for a hypothetical World Pride, choosing both historical and contemporary icons (see full list with reasons below).
    • Dr. Angela Davis (Bob): “...for her work with black people in the movement, with queer people in the movement...” (49:31)
    • RuPaul (Monét): “RuPaul has single handedly... shifted the conversation and popularized drag.” (50:10)
    • Niecy Nash (Bob): “She is unapologetically queer... she did come out after being famous already.” (50:45)
    • Elliot Page (Monét): “It's never too late to express yourself how you want to be seen...” (51:46)
    • William Dorsey Swann (Bob): “The first drag queen ever, the first person ever to call themselves the Queen of Drag...” (52:45)
    • Marsha P. Johnson (Monét): “Marsha Payton Omaya Johnson... the original bad bitch.” (55:44)

Notable Quotes from This Segment:

• "I'm giving out a posthumous award for Grand Marshal—William Dorsey Swann..." – Bob (52:22)
• "Imagine having to endure a whole day of bloody, laborious work, then going back to your place and getting done up in drags and throwing a ball." – Monét (53:50)
• "Marsha P. Johnson... there are still so many questions about her death." – Monét (56:01)

History & Visibility: Pride’s Complexity

• Emotional Weight of Queer History
  • Bob and Monét reflect on the continued need for physical and emotional space for queer joy—whether in secret (as with Selma Pride) or at packed events.
  • The hosts emphasize that visibility is powerful but often comes with trauma, resilience, and creativity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fighting Skateboarders (Humor/Advice):

  • “Do not ever fight a skateboarder. Ever. Do not fight a skateboarder. … They have been waiting to use said weapon on you.” – Bob (15:39)

• On Online Chaos:

  • “I have decided... I am chaos online. I accept that I am chaos online. You know what? It is what it is, my boy.” – Bob (13:39)

• On Cursing People (Tongue-in-cheek):

  • "I curse you. I hope you have bad days, sickness, sadness and sorrow, dread, despair and doom, pestilence, pain and pity until your last day. And I hope your kids have hard lives, too.” – Bob (11:17)

• On Community & Visibility:

  • “Selma Pride was probably the most emotional pride I’ve ever had, ever. … it made me refocus my idea of what Pride could be.” – Bob (41:54)

• Choosing Icons for World Pride:

  • “You got Bob the dictator over here. Bob x Mussolini.” – Monét (49:25), joking about Bob’s overbearing picking style

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Theme | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------| | 01:26 | The episode’s focus: Pride, cursing, hilarity | | 06:05 | Discussing queer representation in film and TV | | 11:09 | Bob’s “curse” ritual: “Do you believe in curses?” | | 15:39 | PSA: Never fight a skateboarder, fighting & safety | | 21:20 | Should Bob & Monét do a Pride float? Money talk | | 26:05 | Memories of parade floats, Pride gigs, New York floats | | 27:43 | The “Pride hustle”: Drag artists’ grueling Pride circuit | | 38:34 | “Sun never sets on Anchorage Pride!” Bob’s story | | 41:54 | Selma, AL Pride: Pride in small, high-risk spaces | | 46:37 | Picking grand marshals for World Pride | | 52:45 | Bob picks William Dorsey Swann (first drag queen) | | 55:44 | Monét picks Marsha P. Johnson | | 56:34 | Discussion about labeling Marsha P. Johnson |

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Tone & Banter

The episode is filled with classic Bob and Monét banter—irreverent, quick-witted, vulnerable, and intentionally chaotic. They tease, roast, and support each other, turning even the most sensitive or dark subjects into moments of levity or deep connection, characteristic of their podcast’s appeal.

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Conclusion

This episode of Sibling Rivalry is a vibrant, funny, and thoughtful tribute to all things Pride: from the grind of drag work to the history and ongoing complexity of queer visibility. The stories and debates touch on essential themes—community, activism, safety, joy, and the importance of honoring queer trailblazers. If you’ve ever wanted to understand how queer artists weather, celebrate, and critique Pride, this conversation is a must-listen.

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Final Words:

"Well, Bob, I hope that you have a happy Pride. I hope that you’re proud of the work that you’re doing in our community. And I hope that you’re proud of, most importantly, yourself." – Monét (61:47)

"And Monet, I curse you pain, pestilence, and plague, sickness, sadness, and sorrow, dread, doom, and despair." – Bob (61:57, laughing)

Happy Pride, everyone!

Transcript

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My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

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And I'm Monet X Change.

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And this is sibling rivalry.

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On this week's episode, Bob curses people.

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We talk about pride.

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And we find out what made Bob say this.

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Do not ever fight. Ever fight a skateboarder. Ever. Do not fight a skateboarder. And we found out what made Monae say this.

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We got Bob, Bob. Bob the dictator over here. Bob x Mussolini.

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You're tired.

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I am. But you know what energizes me? Talking to my little baby, my little

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whore babe, it looks like I am in some sick, sad, lonely hotel.

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And I mean, when you think about it, aren't all hotels lonely like you think about it? We spend the majority of our lives in hotels. Isn't that crazy? I don't.

[B]

That's not true for me.

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You literally been in a hotel for the past three months.

[B]

It's not the majority of my life, though. It's just not the majority of my life. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[C]

The majority of your career in a hotel?

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I don't know. I mean, I don't know if that's true either, because I do have to take into account the three years where I was not doing a lot of hoteling during the pandemic. I have to take into account.

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Yeah, because you weren't working.

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Yeah. I was not proliferating the spread of the coronavirus like some of my friends, some of my cohorts, and. And the large chunk of my career where I was local girl. But I do think I spend more time.

[C]

You spent the television career.

[B]

But I do think I spent more time in hotels than most people do, except for maybe people who work in hotels.

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I got off the plane today in Heathrow and I was just gagged. And I mean, I've said this before, but the. The invention of the airplane is just so crazy to me. How this. Like, we've talked about it before when we were on tour, but this big fucking hunk of metal just soaring through the air carrying thousands of tons. It's crazy to me. It's just so crazy.

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Well, it's. It's actually more than just a big hunk of metal. It is a lot of hunks of metal. It is a lot of computers. It is a lot of bodies. It is a lot of weight.

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The tons that's in all the tons. I'm talking about the food, luggage.

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What I'm saying is, like, it's more impressive because it's more than just a hunk of metal. It is literally a very large house.

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It's crazy. It's a city block. It's a city block at this point. Yeah, it's crazy.

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I mean, it's bigger than a school bus. And. And. And it just be up there doing this thing.

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Much bigger. Like 8, 14 school buses. You know, a black man invented the airplane or something like that. Black men invented aerodynamics or something like that. In the feel of getting.

[B]

I thought that the Wright brothers invented the airplane.

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They invented the airplane, but, like, a black man invented, like, the aerodynamics, like something in the science of flying airplanes. A black guy was like, oh, why don't you guys try this?

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Hidden figures.

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Hidden Figures.

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What's this?

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Such a. Taraji P. Henson is such a dynamic actress. I can do battle by myself. Hidden figures. And she's about to fucking body sh.

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Not to mention, you mentioned you forgot Empire and Baby Boy.

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Empire Baby Boy. Like, what? Like what a. What a. What a gift, what a joy. What a treasure to have such an expansive, diverse career playing so many different. Like, so many different roles and so many different characters. She would have work.

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Yeah. I've been a fan of Taraji Pson since Baby Boy. That's when I first found out about Taraji Baby Boy.

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I was supposed to watch it, and my brother was watching it, and I was like, can I watch with you? He's like, you know, necessarily watching the movie. I was like, I know. And then he let me watch Baby Boy with him, and I was like, wow, Taraji, go to work. It was my.

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I was obsessed with Baby Boy. I had a. I Had a big crush on Tyrese when I was, but didn't.

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All.

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All. I think if you were attracted to men in the early 2000s, late 1990s, you were interested in Tyrese. So I. I was the movie. I'm not. I'm not 100%. I had it on DVD, so I don't know when it actually came out. Baby Boy came out in 2001. I was 17. 2004, so I was 14 years old

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in 2001. I was 11. But I definitely was not old enough to watch it. And I remember, like, not watching it.

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Yeah, I remember being obsessed with the gay guy in the salon and one of his lines, when they're coming in to sell clothes, he goes, I better squeeze my tiny ass up into this. I remember that line. I remember at one point thinking, gay characters, right? Snoop Dogg is skin t. I remember so skinny. But I just remember thinking to myself, like, I remember thinking to myself, he doesn't look scary. And his whole thing was to be scary. And I was like,

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so you think that skinny people aren't scary?

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What I'm saying is, in the movie, I'm not used to seeing, like, the. The bully, the scary person being portrayed in the way that Snoop Dogg was, but I guess it's also clear that he was bullying a child. What is so funny?

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Just you like your house dress and this, like, curtain behind you and this micro. I don't know, just this whole. You just. You just such a funny person.

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Like.

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Like, I don't know, just all the elements together. If you're in this house, dressed, holding this microphone, holding yourself like this, rocking your chair, moving back and forth, it's just so. It's just very comical to me. I don't know why. You so funny. I missed you. I haven't seen you in so long. When you. When. When you. When we see each other, can you hold me like a baby? This time I'll let you hold me like a baby.

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Pardon me if I don't join in the frivolity of you laughing at my mere existence. So I'm sure. Excuse me if I don't think that. That me just existing in my space is somehow hilarious to you.

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Bob, you're a comedian. You don't like being portrayed as funny.

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Don't try to gaslight me. You're trying to spin as if I tried becoming funny. I'm literally just sitting in my hotel room talking to you about Baby Boy. I was not doing anything funny in the moment. I cannot get my lighting right in this hotel room. This hotel, I cannot get my lighting right. I hate this hotel.

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Do you know what I got? I have one of those bricks, and it has a clip on it, and I just clip it next to my camera, and it's always there.

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I have one, but you have to charge it. Yeah, yeah, but this. This light, I don't. This is a ring light. I have a lot of things. I charge my watch. I charge. I have two phones. I have a laptop. I have headphones. I. I have an entire electrical ecosystem next to my bed every night that I'm charging. And. And I. And I. And I don't want to charge that as well. You think.

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You think I'll just. You think I don't got to charge you?

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I've got everything. You.

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Listen, I charge as well.

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I said I don't want to charge it. I don't want to charge those things. I want to talk about you and your life.

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What about a loyal viewers and listeners? Maybe they would like you to charge it.

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Bob, I have a ring light that I use. I'm not sitting in. I'm not sitting in darkness, Monet. I have lights that I use. I just don't want to charge a ring light area. It feels like too much work to do all of what I'm doing and then, like, keep up with this. What. What the. Are you laughing? Are you, like. Are you on the goofy Juice?

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Goofy. What the is goopy juice?

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What do you think goofy juice is when I put one in?

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No, no, I heard. I heard goopy. Like, goopy. Like, it's like goop. No, I was like.

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Are you on goofy Juice, bitch? What are you kikiing about so much?

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This is. This is water they love in Europe. They love putting water in the can. Well, actually, I guess in America, too, now, because we have liquid death, which is so ridiculous. They call it liquid death. Just call it fucking water. Jesus. Unless they want to sponsor us. And I love liquid Death.

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Why do. Why do you. Why do you hate marketing? You think the brand should call it water? I mean, what about all the other brands that don't call their water water? Dasani is called Dasani. Aquafin is called.

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Aquafina is just so intense for water.

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Water. Do I.

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Liquid death is just so intense for water.

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What about Deer Park? Deer Park? Can you say Deer park, where liquid death can't say liquid Death because Deer

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park is iconic for how they brew their water. That's like, a thing.

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You think the water's brewed?

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That's how you do it.

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Tell me what you Think. Tell me what you think the water bottling process is.

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Okay, so they.

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I'm genuinely intrigued at this point.

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So they have a. They have a big embankment that is slasher reservoir, and all the water is funneled in there. Then they get about seven to eight witches, and they all. They get on each corner of the. Of the thing and they all, in unison chant, hecate, hecate, Hecate. Alakanah menacha, Nacha. Alakanah menacha. Boom. And then the water is purified. Then it gets filtered down into little bottles. Then it's shipped to different stores and we buy and we drink it.

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Do you believe in curses?

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I don't believe in curses. No, I don't.

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I've started cursing people. I don't believe in them.

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You told me this, and I think it's.

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I don't believe in them. But it feels really good to curse people. It feels really good because people who do believe in curses, it ruins their day. I don't believe that. I'm. I don't believe in cursing, but I'm like, I curse you. I just say it out loud. I type it on Twitter. I say it out. I curse you. I hope you have bad days, sickness, sadness and sorrow, dread, despair and doom, pestilence, pain and pity until your last day. And I hope your kids have hard lives, too. I genuinely hope that you're sad all the time. I hope good things don't happen to you.

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See, I think if I did, it

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feels good to say it.

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If I believe in curses, I wouldn't take that as a curse. I would take a curse as they were, like, doing some type of enchantment, like an allicanoma or some type of. I'll put my hand out, like stealing

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Color Purple to get. To sell. To sell it. I will wave a thing. I will say you should amp it

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up, Bob, to literally get some type of flower from outside and just do something with your head that's really gonna. They're going to lose their minds, girl, if you do that shit. And you should get some.

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Get some.

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Get some bed night sparkler

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on you and your bloodline, they would use it.

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Yeah.

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I gotta find ways to make the curse seem more threatening than it is. Because when you wish bad on people, they really take it. They really take offense to it. And I'm like, I'm just wishing, Bob, you. Are you okay? You get. I hope that you get, like, a really rough case of, I don't know, the flu. A really rough flu. Like, Like, I just. I hope that like every job you apply for from now to the end of time just doesn't accept you. I hope that your boyfriend breaks up with you. I hope that you get fired from your job. I wish that everyone around you would just kind of just stop fucking with you. Like, these are all the things that I just hope for your life, you know?

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You are chaos online. You are chaos online.

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Well, I think that this past week I have decided that, well, I decided farther go than this past week that I was caring

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chaos online.

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But this week I accept that I am chaos online. I'm still, I, I have been in acceptance and I stay in acceptance that I am indeed chaos online. You know what? It is what it is, my boy? I'm chaos. Like, get into it. Get into the groove.

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And you call me. You like Monat, talk me into not xyz, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, bob, don't do it. It's not worth it. It's just, don't. It's just I already know.

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Well, you did it.

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You did it. I know because people be really pushing you and you sometimes you just got to go there with them. You got to go with them.

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These people only want attention. I'm like, well, and you know, by the famous day where some people deserve to get what they want.

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Some people deserve to get what they want. And you know what? Honestly, that is the realest shit you ever said. That is, that is the real issue you said to me, you know, and Monet, some people deserve to get what they want.

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Like, you damn right, bitch.

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And I'll deliver it to your front

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door hand delivered, honey. It's not delivery, bitch. It's digiorno. Get into it. BB BB So I think that the, you know, the Internet has annoyed me this week, but that's not necessarily new, but something else that I've thought about and I really want to get into it after our break, which is coming up in about a minute. So I don't want to go too deep into it, but you know, I. One of my toxic traits, I'm considering a toxic trait of myself that I love to watch fights on the Internet, like Reddit. And I just want to say if you're fighting on the Internet, I mean, you don't know it's on the Internet. You fight in real life, it ends up on Internet. But like, for the love of God, do not fight on concrete. Do not fight in the street. Do not ever fight, ever fight a skateboarder. Ever. Do not fight a skateboarder. If you see a person with this. First of all, they are always in packs and they are just. All of them have a weapon. Each of them has a weapon and they have been waiting to use said weapon on you. Don't ever fight a skater. Don't, don't bully someone around a skater. Don't be at a skate park fighting someone who's not a skater because the skaters have just been waiting for an opportunity to fuck someone up. Don't be. If you're around people who are encouraging you to fight, they are not your friends. In fact, I'll tell you the rest of my little, my little thoughts when we get back on this break. All right, we're back, everyone. So the reason why I was thinking about, like the fighting, you know, I, I'm not a violent person and I feel like if I had kids, I would teach them to defend themselves, but also try to avoid physical confrontation because you just don't know how the fight.

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The other puzzle. Yes. Right.

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You have no clue. Even if it's not about, even if it's not about that person, like intentionally trying to cause you great harm. The amount of people I've seen on the Internet who slip and fall in a fight, pick someone else up and then land on their heads. I've seen people fall off of banisters at school. This guy was fighting this other guy to school and they were on the second story of, you know, he takes some stairs up and then you go up. Threw him over the edge in a fit of. In the middle of a fight. Threw him over the edge. He landed in the grass and was fine. But what if there were cars below? What if there was water below? You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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And you don't know what's going to happen. So I feel like I would teach my kids to be able to defend themselves, but at all costs try to avoid a physical confrontation because you don't know what's going to happen. And there was these guys fighting outside of a bar. I think it's in Chicago, a gay bar called. I think it's called Jeffrey's Pub. And I know you all say me and Monet don't always have all of the information when we, when we talk about stuff, but outside of a black owned gay bar in Chicago called Jeffrey's Pub, these guys were fighting. And then out of nowhere a car just plows through them. Plows through them. And they're fighting on the street, in the street, just. And three of them lost their lives and one of them was very seriously injured and they were Like, I'm like. That's why I'm like. I don't think I've been in an actual altercation, physical altercation that lasted more than a few seconds since I was very, very young. And. And if I am in a physical altercation, I really try my best. Last time was when that guy grabbed me at the bar and I slammed him. And I really try to get it done. And I, as you saw, I. And I leave as soon as all the kids over bitch, I boot, I scoot and I boogie because you do not know what people are, what people around you are thinking or doing.

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Was that was. I think that was around Pride. It was.

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I think it was. It was. It was August 22nd.

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So after Pride, how do you think

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it was last year? It was last year after Pride, I reckon.

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No, no, no, no, no, no. Your altercation when you had the fight with that guy at the party.

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I remember what it was.

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It was definitely around Pride, for sure. Cause I had. I know how. Cause that night I wore my little colorful Pride, little paint splatter dress, and I wore it. I made it around that time for Pride. I feel that happened around Pride, because what it is like, around Pride, people are getting. People are, you know, they're out at the bars and like, getting ready for Pride, and people get very excited and they get a little drunk and topsy turvy. So he got a little handsy with you.

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I. I was wearing. I remember when I was around, I was wearing that dress that, like. It's like a dress that kind of like off the shoulder. Floral kind of, but it's like cartoony floral dress. And it was.

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Yeah.

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Pink at the bottom.

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Pink skirt. Yeah. I have that dress.

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Do you really?

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I think I have it. Yeah. Yeah.

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And you put stones all over it.

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I did not put stones on. See, every time you say I had something, you just make up your mind. I put.

[B]

I did not.

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I did not stone that dress.

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You put stones all over. You did, I remember.

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I did not.

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I love you.

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This false narrative.

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I'm confident I did.

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You want to bet? How much you want to bet?

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No, I'm not interested in gambling. Another advice. I'm trying to give up.

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You do not strike me as a gambler. People who gamble, I'm like, go off. There's nothing about gambling that's appealing to me. I don't want to lose money.

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I have gamble, but I'm not crazy about it.

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How much. How much did you lose when you gambled?

[B]

I don't always lose, but I've never lost more than. I've never lost more than, like, 500 bucks, and I have never gambled, like, like, even twice in a year, I don't think. The other thing I will also add is the one time he gambled and lost a lot of money, he was gambling with Ke$, so she was upping the ante a lot. And he. I think he was staying in just for the. The gag of gambling with Kesha. But I did gamble with Whoopi Goldberg, and I made money because Whoopi Goldberg was very good at blackjack, and she was, like, talking me through the game as we were, like, playing. Mm.

[C]

So, Bob, so we are talking about Pride this episode, and I one day, do you think that we should do the Siv Riv float or the Vomo float at, like, a Pride or something? Wouldn't that be so cute, to be honest?

[B]

That would be cute, but it sounds really pricey. Like, we can do it at Andalusia Pride, but not a nursing. Have you seen the Kim Chi mobile?

[C]

I did see a kimchi movie.

[B]

Yeah. By the way, girls speaking, did you hear what happened to Kimchi? What girl? Jenner's makeup artist was on the Internet and was like, kimchi's head and powder is the best I've ever used. I saw that and was like, kimchi's makeup. Makeup. I mean, puff setting powder is the best I've ever used. And now it is, like, sold out, and people cannot even get it anymore, really. So we need to send Kylie Jenner some fucking bomo because our eyeshadow is fucking bus and busting really good eyeshadow. So who's. So whose hands do we need to get our fucking. Our makeup in to get a quick review? Honey.

[C]

Kim K. We need Northwest in that little bathroom in their house. I'm about some. That's what we need. Northwest. Northeast. Northeast will send me some Boma Beauty, honey. Beyonce does it in her show. You know? Beyonce does it in her show.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[C]

That's so wild. Beyonce, you know. You know. You know, blue. Blue is like, okay, Ma. So it's

[B]

okay. It's blue. Blue's 10 years old, right?

[C]

11.

[B]

Is she 12ft tall? She's the same height as Beyonce.

[C]

She's tall. She's giving me a tall kill. She gave me a really tall kid.

[B]

Yeah, it's giving Malia Obama tease because she's the same height as Beyonce, who was 42. This is wild.

[C]

Jay Z's tall, I guess. How tall is Jay Z

[B]

now?

[C]

This all good.

[B]

One who's going to find her first?

[C]

Monet. He's 1.8 meters.

[B]

I'm in America. JD is 6. 2.

[C]

Oh, she gonna be tall.

[B]

Why?

[C]

Why convert my Google to meter?

[B]

Because you have GPS on Monet.

[C]

I should take my shit off. That really fucked me up. I really thought I ate too.

[B]

I don't understand people who, like, don't want. People who, like, don't want their computers to know where they are. Honestly, I just kind of don't get that level of paranoia. People who don't want their phone, people who don't want their Siri talking to them. I'm like, maybe I should be more paranoid. But it's not giving for me. I can't get there. You know, People are like, oh, I don't have Siri on my phone. I do not have listening to me.

[C]

Kamika. Kamika.

[B]

It seems silly to me. Like, it's just theory.

[C]

Kamika. Nobody know her in her full government name. She don't want. She don't talk to Alexa. She puts her location services off. Kamika don't play

[B]

no shit. But who is looking for, like, a. Like, who is looking for you?

[C]

Oh, no. Kamika's wild. The other day, we were hanging out when we went to go see Sza together, and she was like. She's like, yeah, I don't. She's like, I don't eat, like, unpowdered candy. I was like, why? She's like, kevin. She was like, kevin, where does it go? I was like, what? She was like, kevin, where does it go? I was like, what do you mean?

[B]

Wait, what go. The powder.

[C]

She's like, yeah, when you eat the powder candy, where does it go? I was like, it.

[B]

Do you digestive tract?

[C]

She said, no, it doesn't. She's like, it just disappears.

[B]

Kamika is. I was about to say, like, no shame with who's looking for you, and then say, what she does for a living. But she'll probably get mad if people know what she does for a living. So I'm gonna pay it. But just, you all know, it's like being an accountant. Like, it's not being accountant, but it's basically like, by the way, she's not in the CIA. But it'd be like. It would be like if an accountant was like, I don't. I don't want people to know where I'm at. Maybe she is in the CIA and it's her undercover job. Maybe the gag is that she's been in the CIA this whole time.

[C]

Oh, my God. Imagine secret agent.

[B]

And her name is not actually Kameka, it's Ko Maiko.

[C]

Did you ever do. You were on floats when you were in New York City, right? Since I stopped being a local queen, I have not been on a float.

[B]

I've been on. I've done a few. I did Netflix, when the Orange is the Black, Orange is the New Black came out.

[C]

Work.

[B]

I think that's the only time I've ever actually been on a float in New York City. And then I did Palm Springs Pride. I was on Cute. I was on, like, I think I was on the Chase float.

[C]

Oh, I was on. I was on one for Rhode island or Providence Pride. I did Providence Pride. I was on the float for Providence Pride. And in New York City. I did a few. I did.

[B]

Who float were you on?

[C]

I don't remember. I think it was like the main, like, town float. Like, it was like the main one for, like, the city. Because I was.

[B]

You were the grand marshal of the Providence Pride.

[C]

I was not the grand marshal, but I was on, like, the main float. This is not only the. Not only the grand marshal that's on the float.

[B]

What do you mean, the main float? What is the main float? You were some bitch's backup. You were a backup dancer to the grand marshal. It was giving backup. You were doing oohs and ahs. You were doing oohs and ahhs.

[C]

Anyway, so I did that in New York. I did, like, the middle class kitchen flow. And I did one for a company. I can't remember one of the years in New York City, but Pride used to.

[B]

They must have paid nicely.

[C]

Girl, it sure did. Let me tell you something. Pride time.

[B]

Rid of the name. Drag them.

[C]

I used to get my life during Pride. Pride. You make so much money from corporate gigs. You're working, like, more than your average gigs because you're, like, picking up extra gigs. Pride used to be. I used to live for Pride. But when Pride was done, bitch, I was done. My legs were done. My feet were done. But it was a wrap on Monet. But I used to love Pride. The Pride dolls make out like bandits for Pride. And you should.

[B]

I have. I have found a way to have a much calmer pride in my age. As I've gotten older, my pride no longer looks the way it used to look when I was in my 20s. Like, it used to be, like, going out and partying and cacackling and all this stuff. And now my Pride experience is very calm. Very calm. I love that Pride has online options.

[C]

I like to double dip, baby. I'm trying to. I'm trying to. I'm trying to buy this house.

[B]

Like, I. Like, I don't want to. I want to watch the parade, but I want to go to someone's house who lives off the parade route and watch it from the balcony. I don't want to. I don't want to be on the ground. I'm not.

[C]

But that's so boring, though. Like, when you're, like, up in, like, a thing. Like, that's so you don't feel as boring.

[B]

I've never even done it. I've never known anyone who lived. Who had a balcony, who lived off of a Pride route in New York City. Whenever I look up and I see them, I always think myself. Oh, that seems so nice. That's the fucking life right there. Like, if you're on, like, the third floor, right above the root on a fire escape, that's how I feel.

[C]

Oh, yeah, that could be cute. That could be cute. Well, you know people who be mad far, but, like, the music is fucking delayed, so you're not even dancing to the same beat I'm on. Cause you so damn far.

[B]

No, I want a third story fire escape off of 6th Avenue in hell. In West Village.

[C]

Oh, that's cute. That's cute. That's cute. Or. Oh, they have bars around along the New York route. Like, they have Stonewall. You have pieces.

[B]

And I see people on the roof of those bars, too.

[C]

Yeah. Which is cute. That sounds cute. Let's take a break and we'll talk more about New York City Pride.

[B]

Yeah, The Ruby changing.

[C]

Yeah. Not in New York.

[B]

Does it never change in New York?

[C]

No, it's always down Fifth Avenue, turned on the. Onto Christopher Street.

[B]

I got invited to do a Pride float this year, and I. And I. And they offered great money and stuff, but I respectfully declined because I just.

[C]

Because you hate Pride?

[B]

No, because of how early, like, y' all don't know, going to New York City. Like, being on a float in New York City Pride. Just because you don't see me until 4 o' clock in the afternoon does not mean that's when I got on the flow. You have to be up. But first of all, the. The parade is long.

[C]

So long.

[B]

They are basically lined up, essentially all up and down Central Park West. Yeah, essentially. And I mean, the entire. It feels like it is the. I can't verify this, but it feels like it is the entire two miles of Central park west that's just filled up and over to Broadway, whatever. And you have to be there. It is so early. The sun is still down. I'm gonna say that part again. When you line up, it is so early that it is dark outside.

[C]

Well, I mean, I think that's what position your float is. If you're, like, one of the first floats, I think. Yeah. When I did miss Hell's Kitchen, we had to be there at like, 9 or like, 10, something like that. But we didn't end up moving until like, 12. 1, and you're in drag. You gotta pee.

[B]

Why do I have to be in place? I remember getting in Place at 6am or 5am and my friends didn't see me. But also, I know it's gonna sound really dumb. This is gonna sound. I know it's gonna sound dumb, but if we're all in the parade, let's say we're all in line, right? And we're all lined up in one straight line. If we all start at the same time, we can all just go at the same time. Like, imagine there are people just walking and you have 10 people standing back to back. If you all step on your right foot at the same time, you can all start. It doesn't have to be the first person, second person, third person. So why can't we all just start marching at the same time?

[C]

Cause there are variables. Cause there are variables. Cause at certain intersections, you have to let people and cars cross. There are certain things like that that you have to. You can't have everyone move at the same time.

[B]

I don't want variables. I want all of us at the same. And, like, this is all. Because the police raided a gay bar in. In June. Like, why couldn't they have raided a gay bar on. On a. On a. On a cool autumn day? Why couldn't they rate a gay bar on, like, November 13th?

[C]

Well, you know, in the south, it's so hot. Their prides are in, like, October and, like, a cooler month because it's so hot in December.

[B]

Growing up, Pride in Atlanta was the 20 was the last month of June or somewhere in June, and now it's in October. Atlanta Pride is in October. And I think Vegas Pride is in, like, some crazy.

[C]

Vegas Pride. No, Vegas Pride. I just got done with Vegas. Vegas is pride. It's in the summer, but it's at night.

[B]

That's wild. I've done Vegas Pride before.

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[B]

With Instacart, I enjoyed Vegas Pride. I thought it was actually really fun. They had a beautiful venue and a beautiful stage. I like Vegas Pride. I mean, I've had some really memorable prides in my years. I haven't done a lot of praise, but I've done a lot of prides.

[C]

My dad, yeah, I've done a lot of pride too. Okay, so we have to choose.

[B]

What were some of your most memorable prides?

[C]

A lot of them were around New York, but I also, I enjoyed DC Pride. I remember DC Pride being really fun. I remember Capital Pride. Yeah, Capital Pride is really fun. I remember Seattle Pride being a lot of fun.

[B]

What about these prizes? So great.

[C]

I think the entertainers were great. I always also think about like the stage also Seattle Pride. They brought out a lot of like

[B]

ballroom and if you got laid, let's do the real part. You think about where you suck dick

[C]

and then see out of Pride. They brought a lot of ballroom people out. So it wasn't just like drag queens. But they brought, like, the ballroom factor of it, too. Made it really extra fun and felt more inclusive and more. Which. Time out. Have you seen this guy that everyone's dragging on Twitter? Have you seen this guy?

[B]

No. Well, I mean, you got to be more specific.

[C]

Okay. His tweet said, I'm a gay man. Drag queens, ballroom, and voguing do not represent me. I am a man who loves other men. That is all. Stop stereotyping gay men with drag queens and ballrooms and voguing. You wouldn't do that to any other groups. That's like. That's all I'm saying. Never mind. So I just retweeted. I said, eat my ass, faggot.

[B]

I don't understand why he thinks this is such a fierce, hot take. I don't know why he felt like he just had to get on the Internet in private and on any month and be like, especially. Just so you guys know, I don't like Dragon.

[C]

Oh, Ballroom or Vulgar. All that gay stuff.

[B]

You know, I don't. You know, I don't like them. You know, I hate the mask from asking on. Typically speaking, if I'm ever, like, talking to someone on, like, a hookup app and they, like, say mask, I. I'm like, we. We can't. We have nothing. We can't. We have nothing to do with each other. We. We can't speak. Even though I'm not. Even though you and Jacob have made it quite clear that I'm incredibly butch, apparently. I was just like, this. The idea of, like, maskness being this epitome. Can you tell me about your hand tattoos? It's a butch queen, but a butch queen does not mean that you're a butch. Butch queen does not mean that you're butch. And I think you know that. I think both of you know that actually dragged.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

You know, that's not what a butch queen is.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Wait, have you ever celebrated a pride together? Because I know you're always doing separate gangs.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

New York City pride. Yeah. Before Drag Race, Manna and I spent a lot of prides together. We would, like, over the course of pride, we'd run into each other and do gigs and have fun. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, we definitely would. There was a lot of intersection with student pride in New York City. Okay, we have to choose three grand marshals for pride this year. Who we choosing?

[B]

But I haven't told you any of my favorite prize that I done or memorable prize. Okay.

[C]

Tell me, baby. I'm listening. I'm all ears.

[B]

Thank you. For asking. I did Anchorage, Alaska, which was really interesting because the sun doesn't go down during Anchorage Pride.

[C]

That's wild.

[B]

Like, the sun literally does not go down. So I really lost a concept of what night and day was because I left the parade and it was like, not the parade, the show. And it was maybe like 10 o' clock at night, but the sun was still up. So then I went to the club and I left the club at like 2 in the morning and the sun was still up.

[C]

So when you, like, do your mom,

[B]

the sun never sets on Anchorage Pride.

[C]

So when you do your drugs, how do you know? Like, how do you keep track of time? Like, when, like, you.

[B]

I wasn't on drugs, but I assume you should have your watching your phone on you.

[C]

Yeah, but there's something about when you're doing drugs, you're not paying attention to the fucking sunset. You're like, oh, I dropped now and I'm rolling now. You know what I mean?

[B]

Well, maybe that's your experience. I'm sure some people who want to get you on drugs and all they want to do is pay attention to the sunset. Someone probably like, I want to. I want to see the sunset on a trip or whatever.

[C]

Whatever.

[B]

You, you, you all do.

[C]

One of. One of my. One of my. The first time I ever did mushrooms, we did it in the morning as the sun was rising and we were listening. And this one, Good Days by sza, had just came out. Bob, the combination of the mushrooms, the sunset, and good days.

[B]

So you mean you. So you. So you're saying you do do drugs and pay attention to the sunset. That was that.

[C]

You know, you just reminded me that and not say I don't. I did not say I don't.

[B]

You said nobody. You said nobody's paying attention. I don't think I said that. You said something that was along those lines. Run it back. Running the beat back again and again. You just got chopped and I just got tens.

[C]

Okay. Anchorage, Alaska.

[B]

Selma, Alabama. Pride was probably one of the most impactful prizes I ever done. That Pride was really emotional.

[C]

I remember that one was through We're Here, right?

[B]

Nope. This was before We're Here.

[C]

Didn't y' all do the Pride and We're Here on the We're Here episode, Wasn't it Pride as well?

[B]

Nope. That was just a random day of the year.

[C]

There's.

[B]

There was the We're Here episode with the fireworks where you were Miss America. That was. That was the Fourth of July. You're thinking we were on the Float that was, that was. We were not 4th of July parade.

[C]

Okay?

[B]

But Salem, I mean, Selma Pride was. It was in a really small building. It couldn't be advertised because they kept getting harassment. There weren't very many people there. And I remember performing in a room that was so small that I could. There was a ceiling fan. I could put my hand into the ceiling fan gag. But it was so cool to be in this room with people who were just like, clearly, clearly very grateful for this Pride experience. And it made me really. It made me refocus my idea of what Pride could be or what a Pride gig could be. And it was. There's a group called Knights and Orchids, which is a really amazing black run pride organization or queer organization, Queer center in Selma that services basically all of Alabama. If you all, you all should look up the Knights and Orchids, they provide gender affirming care and a lot of resources. And not just gender affirming care, but also like they were doing Covid relief during the pandemic, during the lockdown. And it was just, I think this, I think that Selma Pride was probably the most emotional pride I've ever had, ever. It was really an amazing experience to be in a room and there weren't a ton of us, but like, it was just really amazing.

[C]

I really want to, in my lifetime, soon. I would love to do a St. Lucia Pride. I mean, I don't think it would be a very big turnout. I don't think a lot of people would come, but I would love to do be a part of St. Lucia Pride in the pandemic.

[B]

Has there ever been.

[C]

You had something? No. Well, there was a virtual one during the pandemic and I think the year before there was like some type of gathering, but not necessarily Pride. So I would love to, because I took part in the virtual one in 2020.

[B]

And was it the first. Was that like, was that literally the first one ever?

[C]

I believe so, yeah.

[B]

And I've also done. I've done. I've done Black Pride in New York City, which is, which is all I've participated in events. I wasn't in the parade or anything. I just participated in events during Black Pride, Black Gay Pride in New York City, which is also really. But I've never gone to Brooklyn Pride or Queen's Pride.

[C]

Yeah, Brooklyn Pride, they do the Mermaid parade, every. That's like their signature thing. I've never been to that one either.

[B]

But you never been to Brooklyn Pride. That's crazy.

[C]

I never been to Brooklyn Pride, but I will say LA is Molly Wap's elder. Pride, L.A. has, like, new York City has normally one big act that bring Kylie Minogue or whoever for a thing. LA Pride is bringing, like, multiple artists because they have WeHo Pride and then the next week and have La Pride, and WeHo Pride had grace Jones, Orville Peck, all these artists. Then the LA Pride, Megan Thee, Stallion. Like, a bunch of artists came from LA Pride. I was like, damn, LA does not fucking around with the Pride girl. New York, we got to step our pussy up.

[B]

Yeah. I've never been to LA Pride. Jacob was sending me videos and pictures from LA Pride, and I was like, this is wild. Part of me was like, this seems fun, but I just. I just know how grumpy and annoyed I'd be in the sun. And. Are you Bob? I'd just be like, I can't. Like, can you see me out there being like? You know what I mean?

[C]

I mean, when I've gone to festivals, like ACL and things like that, people do say it. And for the most part, you know, you just kind of. I

[B]

is. ACL is different than going to a Pride event, Monet. Like, you are. You're not, like, being at a. Being a Drag Race girl at a Gay Pride event is not the same as going to the Life Is Beautiful festival. And you know that.

[C]

But, yeah, it is. It gets a little hectic, but, I

[B]

mean, whatever is the difference between walking through, like, a regular bar and walking through a gay bar as a. Like, it's just not the same.

[C]

Oh, my God. We get it. You have an album. Gay bars. Everyone stream gay bars. But we fucking get it. Every episode. Y' all notice it. Every episode. This nigga will work the word gay bar into some type of sentence Every episode since the album came out. We get it. It's a fierce album. We get it.

[B]

You know what? And you've. And you've been unapologetic every single episode ever. You've never apologized. So when you said unapologetically, you weren't kidding. You've never. You literally never apologized for any of your behavior on this podcast. My ears feel like they are behind my head. Like, when I look at myself on camera, it feels like my ears are just slightly peaking. I feel like you should be able to see my earrings better than you can see this earring.

[C]

That's normal, Bob. That's everyone's. That's everyone.

[B]

Jacob, turn your camera on for a second, Jacob. I want to see. Wait, look.

[C]

That's everyone.

[B]

I guess so, but I just. Because I Have one friend who's got those. Garrett.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Garrett has some ears. And I was like, I feel like. I like the way that looks. Like, just like, you can.

[C]

You can get surgery for that. You can get, like, a little.

[B]

You. You know, I would never. You know, I would never do that. Like, I just don't have the constitution.

[C]

Okay, Bob, we have to pick three grand marshals for Pride this year. We're doing World Pride. We're picking three grand marshals. Who are they?

[B]

World Pride is also another great one. I did. World Pride was wild. World Pride was truly a banana in New York City at the Stonewall and at Barclays was a wild ride. Anyway, sorry, you were saying?

[C]

Yeah, I did World Pride in Sydney. It was a lot of fun. But I'm sure World Pride in New York was probably crazy. World Pride. So I looked at World Pride, because Patty and I, when we were in Sydney for World Pride, we were, like, so confused, because sometimes it's every two years, sometimes it's every three years, sometimes every four. Like, there's no. Like, it just. It changes. Like, it's supposed to be every couple years, right? So this year was Sydney, and it's supposed to be every. Whatever. And it was supposed to be Taiwan, but because of the whole thing with Taiwan and China and that whole thing, they're not doing Taiwan anymore. So next year is gonna be in Washington, D.C. and then the year after that. It's not the Olympics, is it?

[B]

I mean, like, the Olympics is, like, every seven years. I don't think it's like that.

[C]

No, Olympics is every four years, but World probably moves around, like, every two, three.

[B]

I clearly don't watch sports.

[C]

I love the Olympics just for, like, gymnastics and just all the gay sports, like volleyball and, like, watching the Mention

[B]

should do the Olympics together. You know, she's obsessed with the Olympics.

[C]

I would love to do that. I fucking love the Olympics. Okay, World Pride, we're getting three grand marshals. Who are they?

[B]

I would get an activist, an entertainer, and a. Maybe Some. Someone in medicine. So my first pick for me, Are we. Are we doing three together, or do we each get three?

[C]

We each. We each get three.

[B]

Okay. I would pick Dr. Angela Davis, who is a queer black icon, as my activist grand marshall. And for entertainment, I am going to hand this one to a. Well, you know, you go. Now. Let me hear you a little bit of your. Because I don't want to have to pick all three of mine, because I want to think about it. I don't want to pick all three. I think if we have the time

[C]

to pick one, one by one, I'm choosing RuPaul.

[B]

Wait, but are you doing, like, how are you picking your three? Are you just picking three random people? Are you doing a thing? I'm just picking three.

[C]

I'm picking three. As the spirit moves me and I feel moved to call RuPaul first.

[B]

Why RuPaul? And then I'll tell you why.

[C]

Dr. Angela Davis, because I think that RuPaul.

[B]

Let me tell you why Dr. Angela Davis first, because then this will give me time to think. What I'm saying is this will give me time to think about why I chose Dr. Angela Davis. That way we will have one prepar. So I'll be doing Angela Davis. You'll do RuPaul. I will say the next person, as opposed to me trying to do two back to back.

[C]

We got Bob the Dictator over here, Bob X Mussolini.

[B]

So I'm picking Dr. Angela Davis because of her work with black people in the movement, with queer people in the movement, for the fact that she's still very much alive and still working. I mean, from going to being literally on America's Most Wanted list to being one of the most celebrated people in the history of civil rights is massive. She's just a really remarkable, remarkable person. I have a lot of respect for Dr. Angela Davis and all she's done.

[C]

I'm choosing RuPaul Andre Charles, because RuPaul has single handedly, really shifted the conversation and popularized drag. I mean, drag queens. And again, I'm not saying that drag queens weren't working and traveling the world before RuPaul, because you had Lady Bunny was doing it. You had Peppermint was literally doing it. It happened. But RuPaul has really made drag this global phenomenon, and it has given a lot of people access to the transformative power of drag and how amazing drag can be and how it can literally change lives. So I'm choosing RuPaul as a grand marshal.

[B]

Okay, this next one is a tough one because I have so many people that I want to choose, but I feel like I'm going to give this one to someone who came out in the past couple of years who is a really great entertainer and a queer woman. And this might be a controversial pick because she recently came out. I'm going to give this one to Niecy Nash. I think that Niecy Nash's representation in television and film is really fierce. I love that she is unapologetically queer, but her journey was a little different than what we expect from a lot of people or what we know, because she did come out, like, you know, after being famous already. But she's really been very vocal and upfront for queer people for a really long time. So I'm gonna give my second place to Niecy Nash. To show people that you can come out at any time in your life whenever it's comfortable for you.

[C]

The next person I'm choosing is Elliot Page. I think Elliot Paige. Again, we all grew to love Elliot Paige from Juno, but since then we have seen their journey with gender and their sexuality and how they have really come to their own. And I think they show a lot of people like, it's kind of similar to Niecy Nash. It's never too late to choose what's right for you and to express yourself how you want to be seen and how you deserve to be seen. And I think also representation that trans is fucking beautiful. And I'm choosing Elliot Page as my second grand marshal.

[B]

And my last one is only controversial. I'm low key, breaking a rule. But I'm going to pick a. I'm giving out a posthumous award for as Grand Marshall is going to William Dorsey Swan, who is.

[C]

Oh my God. The first.

[B]

Being the first drag queen ever, the first person ever called themselves the Queen of Drag. William Dorsey Swan was a formerly enslaved person. By the way, me and Peppermint just highlighted on our most recent episode of Town Hall, a black horror podcast. I really encourage you all to go and take a listen. It's a really, really, really good podcast. Really great episode. But William Dorsey Swan used to throw balls. And there's also a chance that Dorsey Swan might have thrown the first ball ever. I mean, obviously it was not ballroom as it is today. This was years and years ago. This is, you know, years and years ago. But there's something to a gender non conforming person who was bucking against the system. So, like, when you didn't even want to stand up in front of white folks or say you were queer out, imagine saying that you're queer out loud. William Dorsey Swan was really. I can't even imagine the bravery, the guts, the gumption, and the gallery it takes to do something like that.

[C]

And imagine having to endure a whole day of bloody, disgusting, laborious, intensive work, then going back to your place and getting done up in drags and doing a ball and throwing it like, I mean, imagine, you know what I mean? And again, obviously it was not what we probably called drags, and I'm sure it looks a lot different, but just to how our people Found joy, like again. But you had to, right? Because what's the alternative? Just living in sorrow 24 7. So to be able to find joy and to. It's just. Is very beautiful to me.

[B]

But not just find joy, but bring joy to so many people. Like, I cannot even imagine, like, what it must have been like to be Wynn versus one. But also I can't imagine how great it must have felt for the other queer people, these black queer people, to have a place of reprieve at these cakewalks and these balls that Dorsey Swan would throw. Like, how amazing.

[C]

And you know, there used to be balls in the 20s. Like, balls. Like a big thing in the 20s where people would be getting up in drags and doing balls up in the 20s.

[B]

Like Dorsey Swan. Like, I don't know. I don't know if he started them, but there's a rumor that Dorsey Swan started these balls, which is really crazy. Or at least used to host them.

[C]

Yeah. And then so my. I didn't know we were. We could bring people back from the dead. I didn't know.

[B]

No, he's not back from the dead, but it's just posthumous. It's like, it's an honor. You know what I mean? You're being honored.

[C]

Well, I'm going to do.

[B]

And the reason I say posthumous, I used to say post mortem. And peppermint was like, if it's an honor, the term is usually posthumous. And I was like, got it.

[C]

Oh, peppermint is so smart and so beautiful.

[B]

Very smart.

[C]

Well, I'm gonna posthumize someone and I mean, it's gonna be the bad bitch. The original Marsha P. Motherfucking Johnson. Marsha Payton Omaya Johnson. You know, one time I read for a role with Marsha P. Johnson, I think it was rapose. Anyway.

[B]

Oh, work.

[C]

Yeah. So Marsha P. Johnson, I'm gonna give it up to her again. I was watching the documentary about her life and how there are still so many questions about her death. And of course the police didn't do everything that they could have done to figure out what happened to this icon, this trailblazer to our community. And to me that's so fucking upset. Especially all the technology that we have today. Like, we should be able to go back and figure shit out, right? Like, they do this all the time. They open cold cases and figure them out from decades old all the time. Why can't we do that for Marcia?

[B]

There's been an interesting conversation about Marsha P. Johnson online that I've seen, which is someone Mentioned that it's problematic to label Marsha P. Johnson as a trans woman when she never said that herself. But what we do know about Marsha P. Johnson, that she was gender non conforming and that she used a myriad of pronouns and that she. It was just an interesting conversation that I had never thought about until I heard someone say it. And I was like, yeah, I guess she did, did not say out loud those words she was trans. But we, but we do know that she was that she. But also I don't think they were using terms like trans woman back then. So she was using words like transvestite. But she also would call herself gay or. It was there, there was a lot. It was very, it was very interesting. But Marshall Johnson was a gender non conforming person who, who definitely bucked against the system.

[C]

Do you identify as a transvestite?

[B]

Kind of, but not really. Like I don't really use the term transvestite really.

[C]

I do, but I have for sure.

[B]

But I do. But I do. I would, I would certainly consider myself a cross dresser. Like for sure.

[C]

I'm a cross dressing transvestite for sure.

[B]

I mean I'm looking up a person who dresses in the clothes primarily associated with the other sex. And I am for sure a super transvestite. I just feel like people don't really use the word transvestite much anymore.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Have you seen the Meatball video? Baby?

[C]

This video is so funny. It is so good. Put it in.

[B]

Put the video in right now.

[C]

Yes, it is the funny. That shit popped on my TikTok and I was in tears a lot crying. Cause just her like

[A]

what?

[C]

And then the cameraman is like, the cameraman is trying to find.

[B]

Wait, can you describe it for audio listeners? So there's. I think, I think, I think she's from the lady Bikes on Bikes. I think she's from bikes on Bikes. And there's this lady, this lesbian up front and she's like some of the cameraman, the camera's utter her and he's like. I guess he's asking like what are you?

[C]

You don't see your pride. It's just. Is he just talking to her? So you don't see Meatball? The camera just saw her this, this

[B]

lady on the road. She's like, well, this pride. I really want to focus and center trans voices and members of the trans community.

[C]

Then she, she gestures. To Meatball who is in a big ginger red wig, Meatball makeup, this blue outfit on a bike next to the lady. The camera pans over and you Just see Meatball, just awkwardly. She's confused. Not me. But also doesn't want to be disrespectful. So she just kind of waves a little bit. But then the camera keeps on going because the cameraman is like, well, where

[B]

are the trans people? The cameraman is looking. I do not know, by the way. I don't even know if Meatball identifies as trans or non binary. I have no clue what Meatball's gender identity is, but it's the way that she goes. So I want to give it up for our trans members of our community. And then it cuts to Meatball. And Meatball is literally just like. It looks like if you guys go and look at the Key and Peele sketch where this guy keeps being like, this politician is like, I want to give it up for members of our gay community. And the camera keeps panning to this one guy, and the guy keeps being like, trying to save his face. I'm not gay. But then the camera starts looking. It was literally that, but in real life.

[C]

Cause Meatball, she did this. She did do like a little, like, she shake her head no a little bit. It was like a little. And like confused eyes, but then kind of waved. It's very funny.

[B]

It was wild. Really was like a sketch from tv. I got. I got named this year in like, in like, NBC's like, drag queens or Queer People Change history or Drag Queens Change History or something like that. And Right. Why right in the middle article. The first thing is my. The year I was born, which. And I'm like, which I. I'm not. I'm not old, so I'm not. I don't have any, like, shame around being born in 1986. But. But it's like Bob the Drag Queen, born in 1986. And I was like, that feels like y' all didn't have to put the year I was born right next to my neck.

[C]

86 nigga, you. Oh, that's so beautiful. I love that.

[B]

And what are you? A baby bitch? You act like I'm posthumous, honey.

[C]

You post mortem bitch. I'm that nine zero, honey. I'm a 90s baby.

[B]

Cash money record taking over for the nine nine 2000. You working with some cash? Yeah, the cash. Yeah. Making niggas business last year.

[C]

Well, Bob, I hope that you have a happy pride. I hope that you're proud of the work that you're doing in our community. And I hope that you're proud of,

[B]

most importantly, yourself and Monet. I curse you, pain, pestilence, and. And plague, sickness, sadness and sorrow, Dread, doom and despair.

[C]

Can you have a little more? So I know what's gonna happen.

[B]

Yeah. I'm pussy bitch. Ooh, la la la la la la. Si bon si bon. Nick to the Nick to nick. Nack the neck to the freaking money. Click clack. Ow.

[C]

Ow.

[B]

I just felt boom boom. You walk into the room, pick it back up, and you fall on your back. I love you very much.

[C]

I love you too. And happy pride.

[B]

Happy pride, everyone.