The One About Sapphira Cristál

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast

Episode: The One About Sapphira Cristál

Released: May 26, 2025

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Episode Overview

This week’s episode features special guest Sapphira Cristál joining Monét X Change, with Bob the Drag Queen frequently referenced but not present. The episode dives deep into drag family lineages, conspiracy theories, opera and voice types, working musicians, and the realities of making a living in drag today. Sapphira brings her trademark humor and wisdom, especially on opera, music theory, and making it work as an independent artist. The tone is candid, hilarious, insightful, and occasionally shady—classic Sibling Rivalry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Drag Families, Lineages, and Object Permanence

[01:27 - 04:52]

• Monét and Sapphira discuss their connections to the legendary Davenport drag family and the broader concept of drag parentage.
• Sapphira emphasizes, with humor, how Black queer and Southern culture often treats close friends' children like family (“that’s how we showed respect to people who are close to the family but not blood” – [02:02], Monét).
• Sapphira opens up about having “like 15 drag children” but struggling with "object permanence" due to ADHD, meaning if she hasn’t seen a drag child in a minute, she might temporarily forget their presence.

  “I have really bad object permanence issues… if I don’t see them for a while … I know who my kids are.”
  — Sapphira Cristian, [03:20]

2. Conspiracy Theories & The Mysteries of the Pyramids

[06:33 - 08:00]

• Monét shares new “discoveries” about the Egyptian pyramids (including claims of spiraling catacombs) and jokes about aliens as the builders.

• Sapphira reveals,

  “I am a conspiracy enthusiast. I think that they're fun ... but I don't really like, believe.”
  — [07:45]

• They riff on the fun of engaging in conspiracy theories, but draw the line at truly believing harmful ones.

3. Africa Connections, Viral Videos, and South African Pop Culture

[08:12 - 10:07]

• The co-hosts realize neither has actually visited Africa and joke about “meeting South Africans” at holiday parties.
• Monét references the viral “To the left, to the left” South African aunties remixing Beyoncé:

  “Every time I see it, I have the same belly laugh.”

• They joke about South African exports from Orville Peck to Elon Musk.

4. Political Tangents & Frustration with US Parties

[11:33 - 14:07]

• They discuss “Project 2025” (GOP plans) and wish Democrats would be less cerebral and more direct (“Stop trying to play a different game ... step up or get left behind.” – [12:06], Sapphira).
• Monét brings up the persistent welfare and race narrative, dropping statistics on Black vs. white recipients and how narrative often fails math:

  “There’s no way that Black people can be using more welfare. We're literally 12% of the population.”
  — [13:55], Monét

5. The Struggles & Hustle of Drag Life

[14:07 - 16:13]

• Monét reflects on hustling in New York, grinding for bookings and food stamps.
• Both hosts talk about the reality of rent, cost of living, and why drag performers sometimes have to prioritize work over family.

6. Philosophy, Time, and Construct of Reality

[16:13 - 17:03]

• Monét muses, “everything is a construct,” and how time itself distorts reality—much to her boyfriend’s irritation. (“My boyfriend gets mad at me because I go in these huge things about everything is a construct, which it is.” – [16:25])

7. Makeup Evolution, Self-love, and Drag Aesthetics

[16:44 - 20:23]

• Discussion about the journey of “finding your face” in drag. Sapphira claims (tongue-in-cheek),

  “My face is naturally beautiful… I was always pretty no matter what makeup I put on it.”
  — [17:03]

• The journey to comfort and beauty in their drag aesthetic.

8. Opera, Music Education, and Black Excellence in the Arts

[20:23 - 31:03]

• The heart of the episode—an in-depth exploration of opera, musical theatre, and Black success in classical music:
  • Black-centric musicals at Sapphira’s Houston high school, where she played “nine roles in one show” ([23:56]).
  • Discussion of voice types (“fachs”), breaking down soprano categories, and pop singers who’d fit each one (Ariana as coloratura soubrette, Jennifer Hudson as spinto, Cynthia Erivo’s lyric soubrette).
  • Admiration for vocal greats:

    “My favorite one… when [Leontyne Price] would go... and then she would literally just like Brucia Vinci d’Ale Padre and you're like, ‘what the fuck? What just happened to me?’”
    — [28:30], Sapphira

  • “Opera is so gatekeepy. It does opera a disservice to be so exclusionary.” — [30:59], Sapphira

9. Making Independent Music: Inspiration, Money, Samples, and Line Dances

[37:52 - 43:21]

• Sapphira details the creation of her album “The Cristal Ball,” the writing process, and the expense and hustle of making music without label backing.
• Monét on clearing samples:

  “Who has $10,000 to clear a sample?”
  — [39:58], Monét

• Sapphira made sure to put a “line dance” on the album for family gatherings and celebrations (“Get Your Flowers”).
• They stress celebrating each other while alive: “We need to give people their flowers while they're here.” — [42:53], Sapphira

10. Legacy, Mortality, and Living with Purpose

[43:43 - 45:25]

• Monét gets philosophical about funerals and legacy, Sapphira jokes she’ll outlive everyone (“I will have figured out how to make a deal with God that I’m never gonna die.” – [44:11]).
• A powerful, vulnerable section about loss, close family ties, and working so hard you miss family events.

11. Cost of Living, Cooking, and Working Drag

[54:26 - 57:03]

• Rant about the astronomical cost of eating out (“$23 for a chicken sandwich and fries per person!” – [55:13], Monét), inflation, rent, and the need for drag queens to grind harder to make ends meet.
• Tips for saving—cook at home, buy cheaper eggs, bring Tupperware to events (a Southern classic).

12. Hotels vs. Airbnbs, Safety, and Travel Habits

[59:05 - 62:10]

• Debate over which is safer or more comfortable when traveling for gigs (Monét: hotels / Sapphira: Airbnbs with bathtubs for self-care).
• Stories of lost or stolen jewelry and the sadness of missing items, but also gratitude for what matters most.

13. Joy, Humanity, and What Makes Sapphira Special

[63:02 - End]

• Sapphira discusses her album, “The Cristal Ball,” and its focus on joy, dance, and self-love rather than heartbreak:

  “There's inspiration in there for your soul, for your heart, for your mind... I really am happy to be me. I really love me. I love you. We're a happy family.”
  — [63:11-64:35]

• The episode closes with mutual appreciation, album plugs, and a promise to keep sharing love and wisdom.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Drag Family Realness:
  “Every time I talk to you, you have more fucking drag children.”
  — Monét X Change [02:53]

• Conspiracy Energy:
  “I am a conspiracy enthusiast. I think that they're fun…”
  — Sapphira Cristál [07:45]

• Opera Gatekeeping:
  “Opera gives itself a disservice to be so exclusionary.”
  — Sapphira Cristál [30:59]

• Joy in Original Music:
  “There’s a lot of music about, like, this person broke up with me ... I wanted to do some music that's just like: I really am happy to be me.”
  — Sapphira Cristál [63:11]

• On Cooking & Saving Money:
  “Now, I don't know if you've ever heard of it… You go out and get the food. If I cook it at home, it's gonna be way better than if I go to this random restaurant.”
  — Sapphira Cristál [55:13, 56:23]

• Affirming Immortality:
  “I will have figured out how to make a deal with God that I’m never gonna die.”
  — Sapphira Cristál [44:11]

• Philosophy of Life:
  “You don’t have to let every single thing influence your heart and influence your mind. Just be vibing.”
  — Sapphira Cristál [64:21]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:27 - 04:52]: Drag family, lineages, and object permanence
• [06:33 - 08:00]: Pyramids and conspiracy theories
• [11:33 - 14:07]: Political takes & welfare myths
• [20:23 - 34:35]: Deep dive into opera and voice fachs
• [37:52 - 43:21]: Independent music-making and the real money talk
• [54:26 - 57:03]: Inflation, eating in/out, and drag queen hustle
• [59:05 - 62:10]: Travel, hotels vs. Airbnbs, and lost valuables
• [63:02 - 64:35]: Joy, music, and affirmations for the soul

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a treat for fans of drag, music nerds, and anyone who loves hearing the behind-the-scenes truth of queer artistry, hustle, and joy. Sapphira Cristál’s deep knowledge, vulnerability, and humor make her an ideal guest—expect to laugh, think, and feel seen.

Don’t miss Sapphira Cristál’s new album, “The Cristal Ball”—out now on all streaming platforms!

Transcript

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen,

[Monet X Change]

and I'm Monet X Change. And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, we welcome Sapphira Cristal to the podcast.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We talk about opera, and we find

[Monet X Change]

out what made Sapphire Vera say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I am a conspiracy enthusiast. And we find out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

Don't nobody know the trouble. I seen. Sapphira Cristal. Honestly, can we swap you out? I feel like you are my real sibling, not fucking slob the methang over there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Simone xj. Oh, my God. They're my niece, actually.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, so we need to set. People ask me about this when they see me, like, at gigs and stuff, and then they come in contact with me. So Sapphira Cristal was really. Was. Sorry. Is really good friends with my drag mother. Who is Honey Davenport now, are y'.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All.

[Monet X Change]

But you're not part of the Davenport.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not a Davenport.

[Monet X Change]

You're not a Davenport.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm like, you know. You know how, like, in black families, if you're really, really, really good friends, then your. Then your children are your really good friends? Nieces and nephews.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. Yeah, that's how we are, girl. I grew up calling so many family members. Or not family members, non family members, just close family friends, aunt and uncle. Like, that's how. That's how we. Like, that's how we showed respect to, like, people who are close to the family but not blood. Not even close, honestly. Sometimes they'd be. Sometimes someone I met, like, twice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Close enough. They close to your mama?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah. Close enough to your mama. Yeah. So. So. So by that. By that proxy, you're. You're technically my.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mm.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but so if you are. Cause you're a Southern queen, why you ain't never. Why you not part of a big lineage?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I didn't start dragging the South. I started dragging.

[Monet X Change]

You can still adopt the culture.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, my own lineage is the house of Cristal. Boo.

[Monet X Change]

Boo. But I got, like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I got like, 15 drag children, so I think you do.

[Monet X Change]

Every time I talk to you, you have more fucking drag children like you. Okay, can you list your drag children, please? Dawn is your drag kid.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Huh?

[Monet X Change]

Dawn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dawn is my drag kid. You know, it's really funny is that people don't know how many drag children I have, and sometimes I don't. So I'm not listing all of them because I don't want to hurt nobody's feelings right now. Jd it's not because I don't love them, and it's not because they're not my kids. It's just because I have really bad object permanence issues. And so, like, if I don't see them for a while, I am like. I just, like, start to list off the girls who I see all the time, and then they're like, well, you know, blah, blah, blah. Is your kid? And I'm like, they. Yes, of course I know that. They're my child. They're my child. I know who my kids are.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, wait. Object. From us. I hear the words. I hear that term, that terminology, and I've deduced what it means by just the names. Like, when you see an object, you permanently. Like when you permanently see an object, that's when you know it's yours. When you don't see it, you forget it's yours.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Exactly. It's basically out of sight, out of mind. But it's not really out of sight, out of mind. It's kind of like. It's just like, if you were here, I'm very, very present is what I would say. I'm very. I'm here, I'm in the moment. And then people who aren't here, I'm not. The wonderful thing about object permanence is that when you're with someone, they don't feel like you're somewhere else.

[Monet X Change]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're like, you're definitely with them. 100%.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, honestly, that's. That's. I feel like I had object permanence with my fucking music back in the day. Girl, if I. If I. If I did not work on a piece, bitch, I forget everything about it. I would, like. My teacher would try to, like, bring it back up, like, months later. I'm like, girl, I don't remember how this all go. I don't remember about this all go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, not at all.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I have object permanence.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We all have a little bit of it.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, like, so I have like really bad adhd. And part of my ADHD is object permanence.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. I feel like I need to get tested with adhd. Everyone tells me I have adhd. I don't feel like I have adhd, but everyone tells me, oh yeah girl, you have ADHD also. And I don't want to like trivialize what other people like actually like who go. Who have adhd. So maybe I need to get tested to get like an official diagnosis. But Patty, Patty loves to tell me I have adhd.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Most people have a little bit of it, I think.

[Monet X Change]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But just. And that's just like a cultural thing. That's because of these and the scrolling

[Monet X Change]

and everything is just like because of these.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because this is a tablet. The tv, like growing up watching tv, like when lots of people didn't grow up, I mean up until what, 1974, people didn't really grow up watching TV all the time. You know what I mean? I just made that number up, but

[Monet X Change]

like, sounded right to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was probably more like the 80s, honestly, if I'm being honest.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know, I get in these YouTube holes or TikTok doom scrolling and I fall into these like holes of these people talking about like time. And then my, like how the concept of time really fucks my brain because we are closer to the Tyrannosaurus rex than the T Rex was to the Stegosaurus, which is crazy to think about in my mind. Stegosaurus and T Rex were Keke's sisters and they were on the whole time. But we are closer to the T. Rex than the Stegosaurus was to the T. Rex. That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean that's why we watch Barney all the time.

[Monet X Change]

Cause we love you as we somebody new also, bitch. All this crazy shit is popping in the world. Have you seen the new thing that they discovered about the fucking pyramids?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, girl.

[Monet X Change]

Where you been baby?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Writing music? I don't know, girl.

[Monet X Change]

So the pyramids in Egypt, they did some scan or whatever and like apparently

[Bob the Drag Queen]

like the T. Rex built it close

[Monet X Change]

680 meters under it. They found these long cylinder things under it with a spiral staircase going all the way down to these huge 80 meter like big like catacombs underneath. Like all under the pyramids. I'm like, aliens, aliens.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like the pyramids was never nothing but, but a piece of alien manufacturing shit. I don't know. I think, I think and I have always thought that the pyramids didn't actually get built by anybody. Yeah. Like, and now that proves it.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, Are you a conspiracy Theorist.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I am a conspiracy enthusiast. I think that they're fun and I think that they're. I enjoy like, just like getting into it, but I don't really like.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, you do see something like the pyramids that seem like a. They truly are marvel. I've never been to Egypt, to Cairo, so I've never seen them in real life, so I feel like I. No, no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I go like three times a year.

[Monet X Change]

That's so fierce. She is the Cristal, honey. Rich, honey. Three times a year.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm always in Cairo, honey.

[Monet X Change]

No, I've never. I've never been to the continent of Africa, which. No, no, I've never been to Africa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Me either.

[Monet X Change]

I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which feels like Asia three times a year. No, I've never been to Africa. My actual. My. My not stepsister, my sister in law is from South Africa.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, word.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And that's about as close as I've gotten to. It is like.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. That person. Yeah. The closest I've been to South Africa. The closest I've been to Africa is going to Orville Peck's house for his white elephant Christmas party every year. Because he's South African. That's the closest. He's South African.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He is.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. South African. He's from the South.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Really?

[Monet X Change]

From South Africa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't hear that at all.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, he doesn't have an accent at all. Isn't that crazy, baby?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When you hear my. My. My sister in law.

[Monet X Change]

What did you just say? I think I do. I do. I like the accent. I think it's me too. Pretty accent. I think it's pretty accent. Have you. Have you ever seen that viral video? Oh, my God. It's one of my favorite videos. Every time I see it, I have the same. I have the same belly laugh. Every time those three South African ladies sing. To the left, to the left. Everything only in a boxer. To the left in the closet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's my stuff. Dude, if I'm on.

[Monet X Change]

Hey, walk touch. I fucking love that video. It is so. I want to meet them. I want to meet these three ladies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you walk and talk at the same time?

[Monet X Change]

That shit, y'.

[Commercial Narrator]

All.

[Monet X Change]

That shit sends me. It is my favorite video I've ever. And my favorite piece of content I've ever seen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think that they intended it to be what it is. And I love that. I love that it is something. It's beyond them. It is greatness in personified.

[Monet X Change]

And it really fucks up my brain that there is a world where you have such beautiful concept that These ladies gave us Orville Peck, gives us this beautiful country music. And you have Elon Musk, bitch. Which, by the way, I know. All from the same place, baby.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's a Venn diagram that. I mean, look.

[Monet X Change]

Well, now his fucking crazy ass father is doing all these crazy ass interviews.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's alive.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, he's alive. And he, she, you know, I'm not gonna wish death on nobody, but I was just gonna say I wish he wasn't. Um, I think he just wished death on him. I know he kind of just did. I don't wish death on nobody, but I wish he would die. But he is doing these crazy interviews, talking about Michelle Obama was really born a man like this, like, crazy. Talking about conspiracy theories, all these crazy things, baby.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sometimes I feel like we need to fight conspiracy theories with conspiracy theories. Like, fight it back. Like if we, if y' all making stuff up, we just need to make stuff up too, girl. Donald Trump. Well, most of the stuff about Donald Trump you don't have to make up. It's already ridiculous.

[Monet X Change]

I know. It's already out of control.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I like getting peed on. Donald Trump, like, getting peed on. True. That's not a conspiracy.

[Monet X Change]

Well, it's also like, I also feel like, you know, I don't know if you talk about politics a lot. I like to talk about politics. I mean, we're all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I love it. We're all about.

[Monet X Change]

I just don't understand. I be feeling like the Dems, the liberals be trying to play 4D chess when the conservatives, they just be really straightforward. They have a plan called Project 2025 outlining what they're going to do. The Dems are trying to, like, do all these, like, maneuvers. Bitch. Just make Project 2029 and outline the things that you're going to do that's going to be fierce. Like, why are you trying to, like, be so cerebral? Just be playing with us.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's what? Yeah, it's. You're playing chess, they're playing baseball and it's like, what the fuck? Why are you not playing baseball? Come play baseball. Like, this is where we are now. Stop trying to play a different game. Also stop trying to play the old game. If the new game is what it is. Yes, girl, it's time for you to step up or get left behind. Because I don't think that. I've never thought that the Democrats were ever really, truly for us because quite frankly, up until the Voting Rights act, they were thoroughly against us. And so I don't understand how all of a Sudden all these people who were in this party are all of a sudden just like, for the people they're not. They've never been. Well, you know themselves the whole time.

[Monet X Change]

When they realize what a big building block that people of color are, I think that's when they were like, oh, we gotta be. Oh, oh, we got. We actually. Yeah, we kind of need these. We kind of need these hoes. You know what I mean? So I think that's where that comes from. But, yeah, I'm like, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that's why they. They start appealing to us. But just because they appeal to us and make gestures doesn't mean. And like, make small or make even some. Some. Some big things. But like, even all those big things, like, like welfare and all that kind of stuff actually provides for white people way more than it provides people of color.

[Monet X Change]

That's a crazy shit. People don't realize, bitch. There's so many white people on welfare. First of all, white people are 12% of the population. You think more black people using than against the 48% of white people in this country just by only 22.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Only 22% of welfare, and white people are 69% of welfare.

[Monet X Change]

So, like, just by the numbers, it just. There's no way that black people can be using more Welfare. We're literally 12% of the population.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no. And they call us. The welfare quits, girl.

[Monet X Change]

I have to say, there was when I. When I. When I. When I was after college, when I first moved out on my own, I moved out into my first apartment after college, and I was. I was in New York and I was. I was like. I was trying to get. I was trying to get food stamps at ebt. I was like, oh, bitch, I get on food stamps. But because of what I made at the Yale. Well, at this time, I wasn't at the Yale Club then. I was working a bitch. I was working at the Holiday Inn jfk. Ooh, no, bitch. The Holiday Inn jfk. Bitch. Just. We sold rooms by the hour, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hospitality, though, honey. We served hospitality, girl.

[Monet X Change]

Don't nobody know the trouble I seen at the holidays.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They got songs of where you been? At the Holiday Inn. You know, that was around the same time, too.

[Monet X Change]

You know what? Chingy Chingy did have us together with that. But, girl, I was like, wait, hold up. What's that? What year? Don't try to age me. Talking about Dallas around the same time. Let me look up when holiday end drop you. You got me up and you're younger than me. Okay, let's Take a break really quick and I'm gonna do some research because Sapphire really trying to get me together. We'll be.

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[Monet X Change]

Okay. And we're back. Bitch. That came out in 2003. I graduated college in 2012. How dare you a decade later, you try to gather me, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Look, I don't know.

[Monet X Change]

Look.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Object permanence. I can't figure out what time is either.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, girl. Back to more conspiracy theories. Like, I really like. I guess it's not a conspiracy theory. It's just real, like time. I mean, so my boyfriend gets mad at me because I go in these huge things about everything is a construct, which it is. We've constructed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who gets mad at you?

[Monet X Change]

My boyfriend.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, you got that Fast talking New York.

[Monet X Change]

I know, I know. What. What you just say to me. You have such a great nose.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thank you.

[Monet X Change]

Great nose.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You have a great nose. You have a great face.

[Monet X Change]

Thank you. As do you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One of my favorites.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, sad girl. Well, you. You paint yourself well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is not sibling rivalry. This is sibling

[Monet X Change]

adoree. No, you do the way that you. The way you do. Your glam is so beautiful and so soft. How long did it take you to get. I'm good at doing your makeup well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, my face is naturally beautiful. And so. And you know, that's not, you know, that's not me being humble at all. It's just the fact of life. And so I was always pretty no matter what makeup I put on it. And so the thing was, how good is the makeup itself?

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not how good do I look? Cause, like, I always look good, but, like, how good does the makeup and stuff. And I mean, I went through many different phases, and they were all like, I guess, good at the time. Cause I've been doing drag for like 15 years. So makeup has evolved. And over time, you continue to evolve with your makeup. And same with you, honestly, like, you know, you just continued to. I mean, how long did it take you to find, like, the Monet face?

[Monet X Change]

You know, I feel like it's. It's always changing, always evolving. I think the one that I settled on, and I was like, okay. I was like, I finally feel beautiful. I want to say that was like, maybe, like, I started in 2012. About, like, four years in. I was. No, that's not true. Yeah, about three. About three and a half. Three and a half. I was like, you know what? I like her. I like what she's doing. She's pretty. And I produce a. Jacob just sent me a video of sapphire crystal from 2010. Sapphire at the Machine nightclub.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was when I first moved to fucking Boston, too, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

You better work. You look like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You look like a year in.

[Monet X Change]

You look like Milan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was a year in. Oh, yeah, I love Milan.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One of the first queens I met in. In New York. When I came out here for some. It was. Oh, girl, this was amazing. So there's this. Oh, my God, my memories. So I smoked way too much weed. Not today, but in life. I've been sober for six years. But, like, I. The memories are jumbled up in this frame. I did a thing called Friends of Dorothy, and it was three different styles of Dorothy, and I was Diana Ross. And we had, like, three Diana Rosses. And one of them was Milan. It was me and this girl named Cece Salcedo. Salazon. You might know CeCe from New York if you saw her. You probably know her. I'm a trans girl actress. And so we all did three different Dorothys. I did Dorothy. Oh, actually, we did two Dorothys. We did Dorothy from the Wiz. And then we all three did different Diana Rosses as well. Got it. And it was just so wonderful to, like, spend all this time with her and get to know her. Cause she's such a chill, calming spirit. I really enjoy Milan.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Milan's great. Very sweet, very lovely. But I wouldn't. I just feel like after season four, after her season of Drag Race, I had just seen her around town in New York City, and I was just. You know, she came across so sweet and so kind on Drag Race, and she really is like that in real life. She really is a very kind, genuine, sweet person.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I love it. And super talented. Because she said, I don't want to do this no more. I'm gonna go do Broadway. Thanks. Broadway.

[Monet X Change]

I had dreams of being on Broadway, like. Like, because, you know, I was in these classical, operatic streets since, like, high school. Like, that's when I was in that ensemble. And we did a lot of, like, classical work and stuff. So I've always loved classic music. And then, you know, there is a thing of opera where they make you feel like Broadway and like, musical theater is still like, oh, you doing that. You're putting their nose up at mt. Did you agree?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Well, yes and no. Because I went to performing arts high school in Houston, hspva. And though I was in the. I did a lot of the classical stuff, but I was always in the musicals. We always had like a. All school musical. We always had like a black history musical. And I always. Honey. Yes.

[Monet X Change]

And what's a black history musical? Like, y' all would do? Like what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It depends. Before I got there, there was a writer who would write a new musical for every year it would be a different black history musical. But then when I got there, they had a different director come in. And so the first year we did oh, the Gospel at colonists, which was a Broadway show that Morgan Freeman was in, and the five Blythein Boys of Alabama. It was about Oedipus. Oedipus Rex at Colonists when he died. But it was all gospel music. It was. So look up a Gospel at Colonists. The music is so wonderful. The Gospel at Colonists. And baby, let me tell you something about Houston singers. They sang that you would swear. This was a professional. A professional theater. The way we did that Show.

[Monet X Change]

It's on YouTube. It's an hour and 27 minutes long. The Gospel at Colonists. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's a really great show. And then the second year, I think we did. They started. I think we. No, the second year. I forget what we did the second year. The third year we did a show called. What was the show called? It was August Wilson A tribute. It was a tribute to August Wilson. And I played 11 roles.

[Monet X Change]

11 in one show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In one show.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, it was quite crazy. I was in the piano. The piano lesson. I did like six or seven solos, but I had to change for every single one. No, ma'.

[Monet X Change]

Am.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, the second year we did Don't Bother Me, I can't Cope.

[Monet X Change]

I have never heard of any. These must be some.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Their musicals from the 70s when, like, black musicals were, like, popping up all the time. Those are true. From Broadway. Yeah. Like, I really enjoyed my. My upbringing because, like, as much as I really, truly don't really like musical theater that much, and I think what I don't like and, you know, people can get. Get on me about it or not, I just don't like it. It's not my thing. It doesn't mean I won't listen to it doesn't mean I won't watch it. It just means that, like, if given the option, what do you want to do? It won't be, go see a musical.

[Monet X Change]

Go see a musical. Gotcha.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but I've enjoyed a lot of the ones that I've seen, so. But, yeah, those are the two shows. And then we did, like, a couple shows that were, like, created by the director. And so it was, like, a lot of different music and a lot of different things. And because I was, I guess, so talented, he was like, you're gonna do these. Oh, I think I was nine roles. It wasn't 11.

[Monet X Change]

Nine roles is still crazy, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was my 11th. My 11th grade year, but I did nine roles. And I remember one time I had. I got off stage, ran off stage, ran around. This is how I learned quick changes for drag, too. Ran off stage. They gave me my outfit as I was running off stage. Cause I had to change while I was running to the front of the house. And then I came through the front of the house in a completely different outfit, singing a whole different song from a different scene work and then singing down and, like, walking down the aisle. It was. It was fun.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, so then. So in high school, were you doing. Were you doing a sing as a baritone or were you singing in your upper register?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was baritone. Baritone. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I would do soprano stuff, but, like, as a. Like, fun stuff with me and some of my friends who also had sopranos. So, like, me and my friend Josh, we would. Like, she would. He would. He would sing Akish Fus, and I would sing the Queen of the Night aria because I had the notes and he had.

[Monet X Change]

You could sing the full aria with all the notes?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sure. Could all the Fs and everything work? Not no MO, but I could.

[Monet X Change]

We all know the Queen and I aria is a famous one. Y' all have all heard it. I wish I could never. I mean, I do have a good. As a bass baritone. Whatever you want to call. I don't even know what I am these days. I feel like my voice.

[Commercial Narrator]

Huh?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're a bass baritone.

[Monet X Change]

My voice got it higher, though, in. In college, bitch. I was first bass. I was like. I had a contra octave C. Now I only have, like, an E on, like, a good day regular.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm like an E. You speak so high, and you're singing all the music. It's just the way that you've.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that's so sad. Do you think I can go back down?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you want. I mean, as you get older, it'll get deeper, right? That's gonna happen.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know, I always come back. I think, thank God you're here. I always find it so interesting. And I think as, you know, as someone who studied voice stuff in school, you get this too. Like, you know, people come for Mariah Carey because she can't sing like she used to, right? And like I, you know, and they're.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Does she not sing how she used to?

[Monet X Change]

Have you, have you, have you heard I've seen Mariah at a concert recently or heard her at a concert?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, she can still sing.

[Monet X Change]

Can she?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why would you expect her to sing the same way she sang when she was 20 something, right?

[Monet X Change]

Exactly. But I will say there are singers who can do that. Look at Chaka Khan. Chaka Khan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Chaka Khan cannot sing the exact same way, girl.

[Monet X Change]

Pretty goddamn close.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She can sing really well and her voice is really great, but it's gotten deeper and.

[Monet X Change]

But she's still hitting them notes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She is. And so I always love you, but her voice is up here anyway.

[Monet X Change]

But it's also you, Chaka Khan, you're thinking about. Bitch. This bitch was doing Bitch. She is. Chaka Khan was doing the things, okay?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was, she was. And maybe some of those things are helping her still be able to do the things.

[Monet X Change]

But, you know, but, but they're opera singers, right? Like as the voice gets older, it just starts to like, it's not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that's why they retire. I mean, think about Leontine Price. Leontine Price was on opera for a while and then she just. Then she did her final Aida and said, I'm done with the scene.

[Monet X Change]

What age was the final Aida?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We can find out. Okay? I think it was like, I think she was in her 50s, maybe 60s. And then she did another 20 years of recitals. Like she was. She did not have recitals and concerts. So just cause you're not on the stage anymore doesn't mean you can't sing anymore. And so she then kept being herself and still being able to do some things that you're like, that voice should not be able to do that.

[Monet X Change]

That's what I'm saying. Because I think that. Because I think that Leontine is someone who took care of her instrument her entire life. Yeah, like she took care of that thing. That's why she was in her 57. 57. That's why she was in her 70s. Still sounding fucking incredible.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, Leontine is a. Is a. Is my favorite story is when Renee Fleming got invited. Leontine invited Renee Fleming to her house.

[Monet X Change]

Leontine Price, just in case for some reason. Leontine Price is one. Is probably. She is the bland dame diva, One of the greatest voices of the 20th century. Yes. An opera she not of all time. Yeah. What was a fox? Dramatic soprano.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was a spinto soprano.

[Monet X Change]

She was a spinto.

[Commercial Narrator]

Really?

[Monet X Change]

Got it. Okay, and let's rig that down.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Originally, she was a mezzo soprano, and then they realized that she had this. This thing. But it's a pushed sound that goes very strong. It's very loud. And she has actually so much depth in her voice that it's crazy because she still has all that mezzo. So she was able to go. My favorite one is that is when she would go and then she would like, literally just like Brucia, Vinci d' Ale, Padre. And you're like, what the fuck? What just happened to me? And I don't.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, so when you said someone is listening, like, what the. Are these bitches speaking French? No. So a fach is what your voice type is. And there are many different fox. Right? You have. So the female ones. Can we start at the very top and go down to the bottom?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do y' all want to know this?

[Monet X Change]

Okay, girl. But yes, this is the opera episode. I could never have this kind of intelligible conversation with Bob the drag Queen, honey.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, well, no.

[Monet X Change]

Maybe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. Bob is very, very, very learned person. He is.

[Monet X Change]

Bob is very smart. He knows a lot of stuff, but he don'.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, number one is probably the top.

[Monet X Change]

The highest, skinniest little, like, truly, like, highest voice you think about.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's probably the color tourist soprano, Color tour soprano. And then below that is the dramatic coloratura soprano.

[Monet X Change]

Dramatic coloratura soprano.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so they're kind of like, on the same level, but the dramatic just

[Monet X Change]

has a little more meat to the lighter voice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And the. Yes, the dramatic is a bigger voice, but also has all that movement.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that's the one. They're like, be like all the, like, voice that be up there doing, like, all the little high. Like someone who's saying, is this what y' all may know this glitter and be gay. That would be. That is a coloratura, I think a dramatic coloratura, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know that's a regular color tour because what's her name from. From Wicked.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Christian Chenoweth.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kristin Chenowetz sang it. And she's not a dramatic. True, true, true. So, like, anybody can Sing that. That's the wonderful thing about musicals is, like, anyone can sing them. Like you could sing it. And people are like, oh, I like the way you do that. Which I think is the. Is the. Is what unfortunately gets. Opera gives it. It's like I don't really feel like. Because no one feels welcome. You know what I mean? It's like, do it. It's so gatekeepy. It does opera a disservice to be so exclusionary.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So you have coloratura. Dramatic coloratura.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Actually. Let's.

[Monet X Change]

And we'll continue on the list. Gonna take a little break.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Close your eyes.

[Commercial Narrator]

Exhale.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Feel your body relax.

[Monet X Change]

And let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[Commercial Narrator]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

And breathe.

[Commercial Narrator]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Monet X Change]

this is so fun. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

And we're black. Okay. Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Still.

[Monet X Change]

Still coloratura.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dramatic. No matter how much lights on my sk

[Monet X Change]

on, the dramatic is so under

[Bob the Drag Queen]

the dramatic color tour. Honestly, it's weird because once you've heard putting dramatic in something and then it kind of is over here and soprano and like. So you have your color tour. You have your sabrettes, you have your soubrettes. You have your. Ooh, sabrettes. There's a lot of different, like fox when it comes to those. But you have your spintos, you have your lyrics, you have your full lyrics. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Your lyric and full lyrics. So that's so Describe those.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So lyrics. Voices are voices that really like to make long lines. So coloraturas are. They like to. They love to move. They usually have a little faster Vibrato as well. Lyric sopranos usually have like a slower soprano, more steady. That and then also

[Monet X Change]

shady. Y' all heard that. That was first shady.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was definitely a slow or Verrado. But it's. They, you know, it does that and then sometimes. And then they like longer lines. So Puccini usually has lyric sopranos. Verdi can have lyric or color towards sopranos and kind of even both, depending on the roles.

[Monet X Change]

So Puccini did wrote operas like y' all may know, like La Boheme. La Bohem is basically not basically La Bomb and Ranch pretty the same. This is pretty much the same. So Mimi would be a lyric soprano, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she was a lyric soprano.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Mimi is a lyric and Musetta

[Bob the Drag Queen]

is like lyric sopranos could do. Okay. A lyric soprano or a soubrette would do. What is her name? Susanna from. And y' all can correct me if I'm wrong. Cause I might be wrong. The Marriage of Figo, you know, from Marriage of Figaro. And a full lyric would be the Countess.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. So let's talk about current day singers like Jennifer Hudson would be a full lyric.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jennifer Hudson would be a spinto, honey. A spinto pushing the whole time. Yeah, she's out there.

[Monet X Change]

Ariana Grande is a coloratura soubrette.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Coloratura. Yeah, I would say a soubrette. It's a small voice.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah, Small voice, but it's beautiful.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cynthia Rivo is what a nice lyric. A nice soubrette lyric or a lyric soubrette, even if that's a thing would be sort of like Cynthia Erivo. Because it's very nice and very beautiful. But it's not like the biggest voice you've ever heard in your life. But it's steady. Big voices, they can be hard to. That's why it's so impressive to hear someone like Leontine Price or one of my favorite and your favorite, Jesse Norman.

[Monet X Change]

Jesse Norman, honey.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mama. Jesse Norman was a mezzo. A mezzo full lyric. I mean she. She was. She was actually a dramatic soprano. But like she had such a range. Her range went all the way down to the basement, basically.

[Monet X Change]

And that's just jeans. Like I'm like, yes, there is a part.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Six two.

[Monet X Change]

What? She was six two, I believe so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jesse Norman is like six foot two.

[Monet X Change]

No, Jessie Norman. Six two is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Six feet. She was very tall.

[Monet X Change]

Malia Obama is six feet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that. Oh, Malia Obama. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She was six' one.

[Monet X Change]

Wow. Jackie Norman was six' one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But another color. But a coloratur who decided to be a colorateur is what Is from Australia? Which?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Joan Sutherland.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Jones. Joan Sutherland was. Was Australian?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Girl, I did not know that. Well, no shade. No shade to the Australians listening. Australia, do not. Do not be producing musicians like that. Who else is Australian? That's fierce.

[Commercial Narrator]

Who?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kiri Takanawa.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Keery Takano was fierce. Okay. What about pop? Troye Sivan. That's all y' all got.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kylie Minogue.

[Monet X Change]

Now, you don't list Kylie Minogue. You think vocalist. You think, like, she's a fierce artist. You're not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I don't know nothing about it. I'm not in it. I listen to opera. That's what I do. I just. Look, someone said Kali Minogue and I said Khali Minogue. I just repeated what I heard.

[Monet X Change]

Now we're talking about singers talking about Danny Minogue, honey.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, what's that, girl? Kimbra. Kimbra's from Australia.

[Monet X Change]

I. I even know who. Who Kimbra even is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was in that song. Somebody used to know. Somebody used to know. You didn't have to cut me out. She was the. But she has her own music. It's really great work. Really great. I don't know where she been, but

[Monet X Change]

speaking of music, 50k for a verse, no album out. That's right. Okay, so I don't know if I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

got 50k for a verse with no

[Monet X Change]

album out, but, girl, ain't that the dream? Come on. Somebody. 50k for a verse without. Ain't got shit out. Safira. Cristal.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

So you're doing an opera and you're like, you know what? Fuck that. I want to make my own music.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I mean, I went to the Eastman School of Music for Composition. Like, I didn't go there for a while.

[Monet X Change]

I forget you were a composer. Yeah, y' all the composers were the freakiest, kookiest kids on campus, baby. Like, they would be in there. They would be. They would be in the rooms, like, doing that shit all night. They'd come to find out. Oh, they also went to. They all. They also had an orgy. And they also. I'm like, the composers, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I wish I was invited to the orgies. But I did hear about them. There were definitely orgies at the place where I went to school, and it was mainly the theory kids who were there and some of the, you know, the singers. But there were definitely orgies. I only knew about it because someone called in to the school because they could see the orgy from their office building.

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And they were like, hey, there's some orgy going on in here.

[Monet X Change]

What are you, torpor. Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You didn't close the window.

[Monet X Change]

Damn, girl, y' all about to close the window. That. That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Y' all just pounding it out. Y' all too busy.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, so did you compose some of the music for your project?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, most of the melodies and stuff. Yeah. Like, we. Yeah, I'm. I'm really good at melody. That's, like my. My favorite thing. And so, like, most of the ideas from this whole thing are just, like, popped into my head, and I'm just like, hey, I want to do this now. Like, they would. I would send them melodies, they would send me tracks, and then I would send them something back on top of that, too. And so that's how we would just go back and forth. And that kind of has been working for me for a while because I have to have my hands in it. You know what I mean? I can't get a song. I can't just get a song. I could. I think. I think that would be fun, actually. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Honestly. Well, I think that we know what. You know, I make my own music, too. And sometimes I see people, like, ask me about, like, samples and stuff. I'm like, bitch, you think I have money to play, to pay, to pay samples? Like, y' all music is fucking expensive. It costs a lot to make, to produce, create, and make it. We are not signed to labels. There's not no label paying or giving you an advance of a million dollars. I'm like, okay, create this. Like, no, you're spending your own, your home, your hard earned. All the money that y' all pay for the meet and greet that's going towards the album, like, so. And thank you. And who has money? Who has $10,000 to clear a sample?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. You know, I wonder how much of a sample you can just get, though. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Like, oh, it's tough. I don't know. Like, sometimes I hear, like, a crazy. Like, I see a crazy TikTok or YouTube video, and I'm like, I would love to just take a little piece of this. But I'm like, how do you even go about, like, you know, asking?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I guess you just reach out and say, hey, can I use this? Yeah. And they'll be like, yeah, give me $5. Or they'll be like, yeah, give me $5,000. And you'll be like, you know what? I'll take it. Because at the end of the day, am I going to create something that I truly enjoy? Honestly, music. We're making it for ourselves. 100 and hoping that other people, you know, relate and enjoy it. And I hope that people enjoy this music. It is. It's music that. It's everywhere. Honestly, this album is like your gray rainbow is very R and B and like feels and baby, we touched that in this album, but we also touched some other places. We also like. There's disco in there. There's like a sad. There's like a little sad song. Or is it sad? Who knows? It's kind of rocky. There's kind of some. There's a lot of disco in there, I would say. And I even have like a line dance in there.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, she tapping into them country ass roots, y'. All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe. I literally was like, I need a line dance song. I need a song that my family will listen. And we. Every time I go home, we can listen to it and like, do the lion dance and, you know, I'll teach it to you.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I would love to learn the lion dance.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, Maybe we'll put the video out for people.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah. You know what? Let's do a little TikTok.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, let's do it for the kids, you know, teach them how to do something that they can hold on to

[Monet X Change]

and honestly, bring back, like, you know, I don't want to mention this person. Cause they're a bad person. But you know, we need to bring back something like step in the name of Love. Not that song. But like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of. And this song is called get yout Flowers and it's already out. So you can listen to get yout Flowers on Spotify or all streaming platforms. Get yout Flowers by Satira Kristal, but it's called get yout Flowers. And it's kind of that same, like, energy of like, look, we need to give people their flowers while they're here. While they can appreciate it. While they can see and feel and know that everything that they're doing is truly being appreciated. It.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, girl. I was just talking about. Talking about this with someone the other day. Like, I would love to see, like, not love to see, like, that sound sounds so morbid to say, but I'm interested to, like, because my friend Dwan, I don't know if you met him before, but he. He is a great singer. He's always. He always sings at people's funerals. He just got back from a funeral. He was telling me about it and I Was like. He was telling me about, like, the experience of, like, how people, like, really going through it. I was like, yeah, I want to, like. Like, I wonder what people. People are going to be, like, in my funeral. Like, I want to, like. I wish I could, like, see the people. Are people going to be, like, going through it? Are people going to, like, I'm so curious, like, what's going to be happening at my funeral? Is that weird?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I. I'll be there.

[Monet X Change]

The fact that you think that you. Everybody swear they're going to outlive me. Y' all don't understand, bitch. I'm like. I'm like Cher and cockroaches, bitch. I will be here after the apocalypse, okay?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm going to be after that. I'm gonna. I'm. But I. I will have figured out how to make a deal with God that I am. I'm never gonna die.

[Monet X Change]

Never gonna die. You know that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Also, I don't want to age after a certain point.

[Monet X Change]

Like, that's the thing, though, because I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

feel like people are like, I never want to die. But, you know, there's two ways of never dying. You could do the vampire way where you don't age as well, or you could do the. I'm never gonna die, but I'm also gonna age and be decrepit. Like, who wants that?

[Monet X Change]

Nobody wants that. Yeah, I want to be the. But then. But if. When you. If you're a vampire, you just watch everyone die around you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but eventually you lose the feelings.

[Monet X Change]

That's what I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's.

[Monet X Change]

That's that's literally. Girl, I agree.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've already lost those, so we don't have to.

[Monet X Change]

After the first, like, couple of, like. Like, you know, the first couple of close ones, I'm like, all right, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, my dad died. My. My best friend is gone. Like, I. I think the next one that's gonna hurt me, hurt me, hurt me is my grandmother or my mom. And then I. And then I think I'll be, no, I'm couldn't. I really love my family, so I'll be hurt for a very long time because I have a very large, large, large family.

[Monet X Change]

Do y' all do family reunions?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We do not. I mean, we do. I don't go. Why? Because, bitch, I've been working, baby. If it weren't for just getting on Drag Race, now I can finally take time off of my life and, like, go and visit family and go and. And, like, see my. My nephew and my niece and my sister and my brother. And, like, all of a sudden, I can, like, have time. But before then, I was grinding girls.

[Monet X Change]

I feel like, you know, I know a lot of you queens in other cities, y' all working very hard, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I do feel there's a little bit different in, like, the Northeast drag. Like. Like, y', all. You understand. I did seven shows over six days.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What? And. And you had to Pay, like, what? $95,000 in rent? Like.

[Monet X Change]

Like, that's so taking time off to go on a thing. I'm like, that's. I'm missing a week. If I go on for a week, I'm. I'm missing a week of shows.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe you're gonna be homeless.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Each show is paying me $150, plus my tips. I'm like, I'm missing out on a lot of money just by going on a vacation or going to visit family. So I would often prioritize work over anything else. And I'm like, I need to make this coin.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. And I was like that, too. And I luckily have a family that understands. They're like, baby, we saw you when you were on the. Not on the streets, but when you didn't have a place to live.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I understand the grind that you're doing. Like, you can't. I'm finally in the place where I'm not living in. Not fear, but I'm not living in fear. I'm not living just to make sure that I have a place to stay all the time. I will never go. Would she say, I'll never go hungry again?

[Monet X Change]

Who's that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or is that Scar? I was thinking, what's her name? From. Going with the Wind.

[Monet X Change]

Gone with the Wind. I ain't never seen Going with the Wind.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, well, at some point, some white lady says, I'll never go hungry again.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. That's an old.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or I'll never be homeless. I don't know what she said. I never watched it either. But, like, I hear a lot of white people talk about it.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know, I need to. There's a lot of black films I need to watch. I've never seen Roots. I've never seen any of that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've never seen the full old Roots. I have seen, like, the new Roots. Cause, you know, they redid it.

[Monet X Change]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I saw that one. I didn't see it.

[Monet X Change]

Is that one five hours due?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. The original one is, like, mad long.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was a miniseries.

[Monet X Change]

A miniseries. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know that people thought it was, like, a movie.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that was a movie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was like one of the first miniseries. And so, like, we watch miniseries all the time now, but, like, back in the day, that wasn't a thing. And so they were like, roots is like seven hours long. And I was like, no, it's seven episodes long.

[Monet X Change]

Got it, got it, got it, got it. And it's a story of. It's a story of who. Cause Amistad is about. Okay, but Amistad is about who, not Kunta Kinte. And Kunta Kente was a. Was a slave, obviously. Yeah, but I don't know the full. I don't know the full. So, I mean, you know, I need to watch it. Okay. Was the new Roots good?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was the new Roots good? I don't know that the old Roots was good. I think that it was just like a thing that people had never seen before on television. You know, they had seen. What's that show? What's that movie movie called? Where. Oh, the. With Ku Klux Klan were saving Birth of a Nation. Birth of a Nation that had been out and like, people had seen all sorts of things like that. And that was, like, way, you know, earlier, like, I think 30s or 40s.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, like, it wasn't until, like, Roots, where people start to actually see on television and really understand what black people really went through back in the day, because they were doing a lot of reeducation. And so, like. Like, as much as we talk about, like, how people are trying to re. Educate children now, they really had already done that, you know, like, they. Lots of people didn't. Are like, well, you know, it wasn't that bad for them. They. They were being fed. It was free. I mean, honestly, they didn't even have to. They. They got free food. They had a free home or roof over their head, and all they had to do was work for a little bit. It was like, nah, baby.

[Monet X Change]

They.

[Commercial Narrator]

That's what.

[Monet X Change]

This guy. This guy on TikTok, I watched this video that I reposted it. He was like. Cause it was this clip of this kid being like, y' all bring back segregation. Like, I don't wanna go eat at Meemaw and Papa's nasty ass restaurant where they don't season their chicken anyway. And then he stitches it. He's like, y', all, hey, can I impress upon you how horrible segregation was for black people? He was like, and there are people

[Bob the Drag Queen]

alive today who remember it.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, yes. He was like. He was like, I cannot tell you how ignorant and how silly that comment is to say, let's just go back to segregation. Like, you don't understand what you did not have as a human being when it was segregation. I was like, you think you just couldn't go to a restaurant? No. You couldn't have health care. You couldn't call the cops. You could deal with you. You could not do anything. You didn't have anything at your disposal. And then he was. He was like. He was like. He was like. He's like, it's so crazy. Like, gen zers. They can't. They can't imagine how bad segregation was. Kind of how, like, a lot of white people can't today, descendants of white slave owners can't imagine how bad slavery was. Or even, honestly, black. Like, yes, we can't imagine how bad it was. You know what I mean? Because we. Not at all. Yeah. So he was like, I cannot impress upon you how horrible segregation would be for you as a person. It's not just about.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Honestly, like, what. These people are just talking out of their butts.

[Monet X Change]

It's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's the thing about social media nowadays, that I really try to get into it, but I really also. It gets me in the head so hard that I'm just like, ooh. I don't want to be one of those people who's like, you stupid. Stop being stupid. You know what I mean? I don't want that to be my reactions to everything that people are saying. But if you can't understand the reason why we even have gotten rid of things like segregation, go sit down.

[Monet X Change]

Just sit down.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Don't talk about it. We don't need to hear your. Your hot take, because your hot take is lukewarm, honey. It is not hot. Ain't nobody trying to eat that take, baby.

[Monet X Change]

You take his frigid cold at best, baby. Like, yeah, it's crazy saying, let's just bring back segregation, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, let's. And for me, I feel like if people understood that, it would be so much worse for them, like, and it ain't great for them now. Yeah, you think you got it good. You don't.

[Monet X Change]

You don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You still don't even got it good.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it is better, but it's not good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, people still follow you around.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When you walk into a building and you have a problem with it. So if you have a problem with it now, what do you think would happen if legally we were segregated? Like, how do you think you. So, yeah. When people say stupid stuff like that, I'm just like, girl, go sit down. Sit down somewhere. Don't make me go get my belt

[Monet X Change]

have you ever given any of your drag kids whoopings?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, because legally, I can't fight. My dad's a trainer for the ufc, and I did train as a child. So legally, if I fight somebody, it is assault with a deadly weapon.

[Monet X Change]

Your hands is weapon, baby.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just try not to. You know, I've had kids who stole from me.

[Monet X Change]

Drag kids that stole from you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

What did they steal?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Money.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, money. Money, like, stole out of my. Like, this is. Before I got a safe. I used to just, like, keep my cash in. In a drawer in my room. Straight up. Stole money from me. $400. At the time, the $400 was a lot of money for me.

[Monet X Change]

Absolutely, bitch. $400 still a lot of. Like, what? But you know what I can do with $400? 400, girl, come on now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I could have paid. I was paying my rent. I could have gotten a new wig. Now, $400 will get you one wig, but back in the day, it could have gotten you a couple. You can get a few pairs of shoes. You could pay, you know, you could pay your cable bill, your phone bill, and your light bill with that.

[Monet X Change]

With $400, bitch. I don't know what it is. I don't know what the grid is, but, bitch, my electricity bill be coming out. I'll be like, how. How it is, Two of us living here. Like, that's what that shit. That's when I think about, oh, my God. People with, like, kids and stuff like that. Like, how, you know. And, you know, I'm very privileged to live the kind of life I live, right? I've been on tv, I work, you know, like, you know, I have money at my disposal to do the things I need to do. But people who are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's all I've heard. Yes.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. People who are out here. Wait, what? And then, so I've heard people who are out here with kids and, like, how. Or to, like, you know, their mother, you know, who's old now, so they live with them. How are people living with, like, the crazy. Like, my boyfriend, we went out to get. There's this new little mom and pop chicken shop that popped up over here. We're like, oh, no, let's try it. Let's, like, you know, support local restaurants. Go out to this place, bitch. For one chicken sandwich, it was $16, plus. To get fries was another $7. I'm like, like, so for just a chicken sandwich and French fries per meal, we're paying $23. That is a 56. That is a $46 meal for two. Like, what are we doing?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, people with children and even parents who live at their house are doing this thing called cooking at home.

[Monet X Change]

Now, I don't know if you've ever heard of it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now, what you do is you go out and you get the food. Now, the food is actually not that expensive when you get it grocery store.

[Monet X Change]

That's so true. I just bought a carton of eggs for $12.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you also got the organic super brown.

[Monet X Change]

I did get the organic free. So I get the organic free range pasture raised eggs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Monet X Change]

But, you know, you go get the

[Bob the Drag Queen]

white eggs, they still $2.

[Monet X Change]

That's not true.

[Commercial Narrator]

No.

[Monet X Change]

Why? Now the white eggs are. Are $8.99. I. I clocked that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe, maybe here in LA, but. But where everybody else don't have as much money. It don't cost that much.

[Monet X Change]

But also, if you do have a kid and a family like you want, occasionally you do want to go out and treat your kid. Like your kids shouldn't be relegated to only eat. Like, you should be able to treat your kids and you shouldn't have to be spending. Let's say we're a family of four. That's a hundred to get. Just get a takeout meal. But coming back home to eat, not a family of four, is spending $100 to have a nice little special meal.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, it depends on what it is because, like me personally, I don't like eating everybody's food because I started to realize that if I cook it at home, it's gonna be way better than if I go to this random restaurant that I've never been before. And if I go to a restaurant that I know that I like, then okay, yes, this is gonna be good. But baby, can't nobody cook no more. Ain't nobody. People are.

[Monet X Change]

That's. That's got you in Philly. Philly has horrible restaurants. No shade the rest.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, no, hold on.

[Monet X Change]

Philly has horrible restaurants.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna have to take you around. Do you.

[Monet X Change]

Girl, I never had a good. A good meal at a Philly restaurant, I'll tell you that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, oh, well, your people be taking you to different places. Let me tell you.

[Monet X Change]

LA has some good food. Last night.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It does. It does.

[Monet X Change]

At the Glad Community Builders Dinner, we had a restaurant we. It was for at Lavo in la. That food was so good. I was like, thank y' all for inviting me. I wish I would have brought a little. A little to go box to take some food home.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Baby, you always got to bring you a Tupperware. You don't bring a Tupperware everywhere you go.

[Monet X Change]

No, I should have though. I will from now on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now on you have to bring a Tupperware. That's why. That's how I know you from Brooklyn and not from the South. Cause, baby, we bring a Tupperware everywhere.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, girl, that. That food is really good. La. Girl, I gotta take you out.

[Commercial Narrator]

La.

[Monet X Change]

Got some. I'm gonna take you out some good restaurants.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I love the food in la. I mean, not all of it. I've had some disappointing meals here, but I've also had some really good meals here. But. But the difference is it is expensive boots.

[Monet X Change]

It is expensive.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's expensive boots. But, you know, it's sometimes worth it. Some of it. Sometimes I like, spend a lot of money and I, you know, I just got my taxes and I was like, oh, oh. I eat a lot out, girl.

[Monet X Change]

Same.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Especially like traveling. We eat out all the time.

[Monet X Change]

Uber Eats is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Uber eats is crazy. And thank God I'm not home. So I can write it off, but like, it's insane. I can't. And so I try and get like a residence inn or an Airbnb wherever I go so I can cook when I get there.

[Monet X Change]

Because you cook when you go away for a gig.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

You go to work.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It brings me peace.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. But then now your whole hotel room smell like your meal. So then. So then when the trade come over, they're like, what you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My meal smell good. When the trey come over, they be like, what you cook? You can have it after.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know, also, you know, hotels don't have microwaves anymore.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mine does.

[Monet X Change]

What do you do at sas? Well, like regular hotels, you know, because,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

okay, I'm in a courtyard today and it's Marriott. They. They tend to try and keep a microwave in there.

[Monet X Change]

Well, here. Okay. What do you splurge on the road? Okay, things that I have two things that I would splurge on on the road that I don't cook corners about will be my hotel. Like, I will have shitty transportation. Whatever. A hotel is important to me because a hotel would dictate my entire mood for the entire thing. If I'm at like, am I gonna wake up? Yeah, I will not wanna wake up if I'm in a bed. I'm seeing like little head hair follicles under the bed or I see a. I can't. So I will splurge on a nice hotel. Cause I need to feel happy about where I'm showering and Sleeping.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, Yeah. I, I, I enjoy a good hotel. I enjoy good air. And B and B. Lately, I've even started, like, being like, hey, I just need to get an Airbnb. It's sometimes cheaper than the hotel number one. Number two, you can get one that has a good tub. Because me, I need to soak this body. I move too much, and I don't know why I keep doing it. I just keep going. It's just. I'm used to it now, but I'm not losing any weight. So as we said, I'm giving birth to a bbl. So, like, if anyone sees my belly, they'd be like, it's like, don't worry, it'll be a fat ass soon. But because of that, it's like my body's all out of whack my spine. People look at old videos of me and they don't even recognize.

[Monet X Change]

That's all right. Y' all don't need to recognize it. Just know me now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Know me now. But, like, it's like, it hurts my back, so I usually try and get something with a tub. I like to get something with a nice bed. I've gotten some Airbnbs where they thought the bed was nice. And technically, for somebody else, it would be nice, but for me, I need, like, a little bit of firmness to the bed. And sometimes if I get in the bed and I just go, I'm like, if I can't bounce off the bed. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Like a bouncy, soft bed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I like reasons to bounce as you know it.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. Well, for me, I used to be into Airbnbs until, you know, someone pointed out and be like, you know, at least with a hotel room, you know that Enos, a new person, whatever. But if it's an Airbnb, what if they got cameras in there looking at you? You would never know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe I'm giving them a show.

[Monet X Change]

You never know. So that's why. So now I'm freaked out about Airbnbs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now you don't know nothing about no hotels if they have cameras or not.

[Monet X Change]

But it's a different rotation. Who gonna put the cameras in Airbnb's somebody's house.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but what I'm saying is, like, people work at hotels, and they work at them for years, so they could feasibly. If they. A creep is a creep. It doesn't matter if the creep is in the Airbnb or if it's a hotel, they gonna creep.

[Monet X Change]

You know a trick about hotels because, you know, had Sound cake. And we stayed at that. The art house. And they stole my jewelry. I would never. I will never.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You stayed there. I didn't stay there.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, where did you stay?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't remember. Somewhere else, girl. They stole my jewelry, I'll tell you that.

[Monet X Change]

All my jewelry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was never. When you told me that, I was like.

[Monet X Change]

I was. It was the saddest day of my life, which I was like, you know what? It's a material thing. It is what it is. Move on, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but that's. That's stupid. That's sad.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why would people do that?

[Monet X Change]

Because they suck. Humans are horrible. Humans are really bad people. Humans are bad people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Humans are bad. Who's good people?

[Monet X Change]

Tag yourself on people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm not human. So there we go.

[Monet X Change]

This was so great having you on the show. Okay, y', all, comment below. Petition to have Sapphira Monthly to be sibling Adori. The rivalry with the other bitch. The big old Bob on the drag queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Big old Bob. I love that. I miss Bob. I haven't seen Bob in forever.

[Monet X Change]

I know. I miss her, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's out in the world with a book and shit.

[Monet X Change]

I know. Harriet Tubman live in concert. So good. And now officially, she's a New York Times bestseller. Congratulations, Bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Congratulations.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My new album, the Crystal Ball, I know you've heard it a lot. I've had a show called the Cristal Ball, and now I have an album called the Cristal Ball.

[Monet X Change]

We love.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And, you know, it is just a glimpse into the mind that is Sapphira Cristal, which is very sporadic. It goes everywhere. I love that. Yeah, the music is great. It's all sorts of. It's really feel good music. You will dance. You can. There's inspiration in there for your soul, for your heart, for your mind. Because I think that like. Like, there's a lot of music about, like, this person broke up with me and not that. That's not bad. It's great music, Monet. It's great music. I love your music, but I wanted to do some music that is just like. I really am happy to be me. I really love me. I love you. We're a happy family. No, that's not how Barney goes. But it is one of those. It's just basically a good. A feeling good movie. And then my. My song Vibing is the focus track of this whole album. And it's a vibe, I'll tell you that. And just remember that you can just be you and enjoy yourself and enjoy your life, especially in this time, right now, when things are just wild, you don't know what's happening. You don't have to let every single thing influence your heart and influence your mind. Just be vibing.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. And, you know, if you're vibing and feeling sad about something, working hard, that's okay, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's right.

[Monet X Change]

All feelings are valid.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what I said. That's what I said, Monet. I said, I love your music and I love your feelings. I have actually. I'm actually writing a bunch of feeling songs now. Now that I'm done. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, y'.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All.

[Monet X Change]

This was Sapphira. Cristal. Make sure you check out her album and we'll see her next time. On the pot or something. I'm sorry. Somewhere way before that popping up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

All right, y'. All. Peace.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Good to see y'. All. Bye.

[Commercial Narrator]

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