The One About Talk Shows

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – “The One About Talk Shows”

Air Date: February 17, 2025
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change

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Episode Overview

On this hilariously packed episode of Sibling Rivalry, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change take a nostalgic — and often pointed — dive into the world of talk shows. The queens chat about the chaotic culture of daytime talk, behind-the-scenes tea from their own auditions, and the darker sides of reality and talent TV. The episode is peppered with their signature quick wit, real-life anecdotes, impromptu games, and some “hot takes” on controversies and personalities from Wendy Williams to Tyra Banks to Mr. Beast.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. From Headwraps to “Bohemian Negro”

• A lighthearted opening on their love for low-voiced women singers like India.Arie and Erykah Badu.
• Bob: “Anyone who looked bohemian negro, I was really into back in the day. It was a big vibe for me.” (02:14)

2. The “Christian Comedy” Pivot

• Discussion of B. Simone’s public shift to Christian-based comedy.
• Bob wonders why some celebrities make abrupt content pivots: “I personally think it’s a grift.” (04:01)
• Monét argues sometimes it’s genuine and more visible when celebrities do it: “If Steve Harvey does, he’s a massive celebrity.” (04:26)

3. Sibling Vocabulary & Wordplay

• Monét’s word: “Recalcitrant” (defiant/disobedient). Bob learns a new word!
• Bob’s word: “Lugubrious,” leading to playful corrections about usage. (59:03)
• Lots of lively ribbing over vocabulary prowess and using big words in daily life.

4. Comedy Styles & Content Creators

• Breakdowns of the comedy of BlameItOnQuay, Jess Hilarious, and the TikTok/Instagram Black comedy space.
• Lively debate about what truly counts as “funny” and the distinction between stand-up comedians and skit creators. (07:18–08:35)
• Physical comedy and references to iconic characters like Madea, SNL legends, and Raven Symoné’s style.

5. Real Talk: Hygiene & Foot Stories

• Monét details her post-surgery foot recovery and not being able to wash or pedicure for weeks: “My feet look gnarly…I’m not putting these dogs on the internet right now.” (10:11)
• Bob shares his childhood trauma about being called ‘musty’ and overusing deodorant for years, leading to discussions about showering habits and why people get defensive about missing showers. (14:03)

6. Segue: Defining Talk Shows vs. Chat Shows

• The main topic: "What makes a talk show?"
  • Monét: “When I think a talk show, I think Wendy Williams…a chat show is not quite that.” (19:01)
  • Bob: “Jenny Jones was 100% a talk show, without a shadow of a doubt.” (19:33)
• Timestamps for notable shows/segments:
  • [21:14] – Jenny Jones history, and the infamous “gay crush” episode tragedy/account.
  • [22:03] – The origins of the drag queen “that’s a man, Maury!” meme.
  • [23:33] – Bob reveals he got to guest on Ricky Lake’s podcast about the show.

7. The Wild World of Daytime TV

• Revisiting the impact and controversies of Jenny Jones, Maury Povich, Ricky Lake, and especially Jerry Springer.
• The ethics of sensationalism and outing people on TV:
  • Monét: “That show was insane. Like watching WWE.” (24:40)
• Jerry Springer’s political background and judge shows spun off from talk shows (Judge Judy, Steve Wilkos, People’s Court).
• Quick detours into pop culture: Jeanine Pirro and the difference between TV judges.

8. America’s Next Top Model & Tyra Banks

• Debating whether Tyra Banks was scapegoated for the modeling industry’s issues:
  • Monét: “Tyra wasn’t making up that they fat shame, are transphobic, or racist.”
  • Bob: “Ow. Oh shit. That is hot. That take is hot.” (28:31–28:38)
• The “Model/Trans Woman of the Year” awards and how awareness only spikes when a trans woman wins (“No one ever cared about Athlete Woman of the Year until Caitlyn Jenner won it.” (29:22))
• Challenges in holding systemic fashion industry standards to personal accountability.

9. Reality TV & Talent Show Auditions: Facing the Machine

• Both queens passionately break down the “trauma” of talent show auditions (America’s Got Talent, American Idol, etc.):
  • Monét describes waiting 12 hours for one audition round without food or break. (36:31–38:23)
  • Bob’s “Glamour Beasts” drag troupe was buzzed off AGT after 13 hours of waiting, and Howard Stern sexually harassed them—this segment is a must-listen for the full outrageousness. (47:14–48:12)
  • Monét: “When you see these competition shows…they’ve gone through it, girl.” (49:39)
• Discussion about TV’s selection bias: “Making it to the second round does not mean you’re the best; it means you’re the most entertaining.” (50:28–50:33)
• The “William Hung” effect and manufactured moments for TV.

10. The Mr. Beast Era & Game Shows as Modern Talk

• Reflections on Mr. Beast’s spectacle-based content: “His whole bit is being rich…and giving stuff away.” (51:49)
• Bob and Monét compare these new “game reality” formats to old-school talk shows and reality TV, with references to Squid Game: The Challenge.

11. Sibling Rivalry Signature: Random Games & Banter

• The duo plays a Russian Roulette number game on-air [54:32-58:00], mimicking Squid Game challenge suspense.
• Pisces power, house rules, chaotic recaps of personal parties, and playful “making up the rules as we go” dynamics.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On outdated talk shows:
  “They would literally use it to out people. That show was insane. Like watching WWE.” – Monét (24:40)
  “Dasaman Mori is a great drag name.” – Bob (22:58)

• On the trauma of talent shows:
  “You don’t realize…when you see people on TV crying or breaking down, you do not know how much they went through.” – Bob (38:23)
  “I was there for over 12 hours and I didn’t get through.” – Monét (38:23)

• On Howard Stern’s behavior:
  “Immediately Howard Stern starts to sexually harass us…he goes, well, that one’s got great legs, and that one’s really hot, and that one’s also kind of sexy…” – Bob (47:14)

• Hot Takes:
  “Ow. Oh shit. That is hot. That is hot. That take is hot.” – Bob (28:31)
  “We are holding Tyra Banks accountable but not talking about how toxic the model industries are at large.” – Monét (28:42)

• Gamesmanship:
  “This is my party at my house.” – Monét (60:40)
  “Monét’s scared of democracy.” – Bob (60:26)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:14: “Bohemian Negro” era music and style
• 04:01: Celebrity “Christian comedy” pivots
• 07:18–08:35: Comedy content creators debate
• 10:11: Post-surgery swollen feet/“gross feet” segment
• 14:03: Obsessive deodorant use and showering habits
• 19:01–21:19: Defining talk shows vs. chat shows
• 21:14: Jenny Jones scandal explained
• 22:03: Drag queen “That’s a man, Maury” meme
• 28:31: Bob’s “hot take” reaction to Tyra Banks debate
• 36:31–38:23: Monét’s AGT audition ordeal
• 47:14–48:12: AGT sexual harassment by Howard Stern
• 50:28–50:33: Talent show TV selection bias
• 51:49: Mr. Beast and modern game show culture
• 54:32–58:00: Russian Roulette mini-game
• 59:03: Sibling Vocabulary wrap-up
• 60:26: The “house rules/democracy” house party debate

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Final Thoughts

This episode balances whip-smart humor, pop culture insight, and behind-the-scenes realness for fans of classic talk shows, Drag Race, and anyone interested in the machinery of reality TV and celebrity culture. Bob and Monét keep listeners engaged with their chemistry and honest (occasionally spicy) perspectives, making “The One About Talk Shows” a lively oral history of modern TV through drag queen eyes.

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Perfect episode for fans of talk TV history, behind-the-scenes showbiz gossip, and the sound of two besties skewering everything in sight—as only Bob and Monét can.

Transcript

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My name is Bob the Drag Queen

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and I'm Monet X Change.

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And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, a bug flies into Monet's air.

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We talk about talk shows and we

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found out what made Monet say this.

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It's like very like, over the top, like, doing like, crazy things. And we find out what made Bob say this.

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Oh, shit. That is hot. That is hot. That thing is hot.

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Comfortable in my skin. Are you, are you Indy Ari fr. India Ari fan?

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I, I know a few Indy Ari songs. I mean, I, I, I don't know. I would not want to like, be like, I'm like a big indie Arie fan. But are you, are you like a big indie Ari fan?

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I used to be back in the day. Not saying I'm not anymore, but I think I love Indyori. Cause she's a low singing, I love a low singing woman. I love an alto. I love a low, low, low rich boy. This is beautiful to me. I used to wake up to the song this too shall Pass. It was my alarm thing every morning and I would like, start my day with this. Who Shall Pass?

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I just remember really loving her raps. Brown skin, you know what I'm talking about?

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Which one?

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Her raps like her head wraps.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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I always thought they were really, really lovely. I was really into, like, I was really into Erykah Badu. India. Music, you remember music, music, music.

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Soul Child.

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Anyone who who looked bohemian Negro, I was really into back in the day. It was really a big vibe for me.

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Bohemian negro is hilarious.

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Do you know B. Simone?

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Yes. I just saw her hot take.

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So B. Simone has done a hard pivot to Christian comedy.

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Oh, really? Yeah. I didn't know that.

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I didn't know that, like, her content is now like Jesus based. Like, a lot of her jokes are like, Tell me you talking about her take about being like, I'm not letting nobody who does horoscopes come into my view. Yeah, that was the whole Thing. And here's the video of B. Simone talking about.

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And that woman on TikTok with the dreads, I love her. She's so.

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I love her. She is someone I would never want to go toe to toe with, girl, ever. Not once would I ever want to. I'd be like, you got it. You got it, sis.

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Yeah, she's amazing.

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But they're amazing, sir.

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I don't know their pronouns, but they're amazing.

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But what I'm getting. What I'm getting. Yeah, yeah, watch it. What I'm getting at is so B. Simone. If you look at her content lately, so B. Simone, basically you saw the video and B. Simone has been making this content where she's like talking about religion and being a Christian and, you know, yada yada, yada, blase, blase, blase. And how she don't want nobody in her life with crystals who does her horoscopes and stuff. And I want to say there's something that needs to be studied about the hard pivot to Christian based comedy.

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I mean, I don't know a lot of people who hard pivot. I mean, maybe I'm not. And I don't know a lot of people that do that. Like, aren't there a lot of comedians that just pivot to Christian comedy? Yeah, I don't know any of them. Who? Ricky Smiley? He's always Christian, though.

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Steve Harvey is someone who did it. So Steve Harvey had this whole year, he was like, I'm gonna be religious. I'm not going to swear. I'm going to start making these kinds of decisions. And also, not necessarily just stand up comedy, but like people who are like, pivoting to religious based people who become Christian content creators out of nowhere. I personally think it's a grift.

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Yeah, I guess. But also I think that, you know, a lot of people find religion at different times in their life. Where you start out, you grew up religious, and then you stray and you backslide and then you find religion again. Yeah, I don't think that's weird. And obviously celebrities or people who have fame aren't exempt from from this experience, but it's just we notice it more because they have platforms and their whole platform, if they go back to church, the whole platform is going to shift. As opposed to your friend Nancy who don't have a platform. Like, if she finds the Lord again and finds the light and starts going to church again, no one really notices. But if Steve Harvey does, he's a massive celebrity.

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But I guess my question too Is like B. Simone in her comedy and also. And sometimes she seems to give a lot of advice and stuff, you know what I mean? Of, like, I guess how to be successful or live a peaceful life or a happy life or something. But also, I don't know, her life seems peaceful. Like, she feel like she's always in some drama.

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Is she?

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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I mean, drama.

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I don't follow.

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Oh, there was a whole podcast that got shut down with her, and then she this big, like, reveal where she's like, I'm back. In fact, speaking of being back, we are back with sibling vocabulary.

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Yeah, we have.

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And this is our word. This is each of our word of the day. You all see them right there. Mm. How do you think you're gonna do?

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I mean, I think I'm gonna nail it, you know, considering how recalcitrant B. Simone is.

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You think so? Mm. What does the Calcutt mean again, by the way?

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You know. You know what it means?

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I don't. I literally have no clue, Bob.

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You don't know. You don't know what recalcitrantly it means?

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No, I've never even heard that word.

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It means, like, to, like, disobey, to be defiant.

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Thank you for telling me that you learn from the other day. You know what I mean?

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Yes.

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Just go ahead and write that word down so I can make sure I have that for my notes later. Just want to make sure I get that in the notes. There we go. All right. But, I mean, I feel like B. Simone and what's her name, Jess. Hilarious. Are in this like a black woman. TikTok comedy. TikTok Instagram comedy space. Also. Blame it on Quay is in the same.

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Same realm. Yeah. I love Blame It On Quay, though, Matt. Blaming On Quay. Great, great. Very funny, very sweet. I love Blame It On Quay. Is that. Is that not your experience?

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I don't know whether or not Quay is sweet. I don't think I. I don't think that I would not define Quay as very funny. Like, calling Blame It On Quay very

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funny is very funny. I said that. I said he's very nice. He's very sweet. I didn't talk about his talents.

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And you just called him funny. You just said funny.

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Did I say funny?

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100%. You said funny without a shove that. You said very sweet, very kind, very funny.

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Well, let me think about that. I do find his skits as tt. I do find it to be very funny, actually. So. Yeah. But I don't know him to be a standup, though. I think he's just a comedic actor.

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His.

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His brand of comedy is doing skits and doing funny skits and bits like that. But he's not. I mean, that's not wrong. I don't know if he's out here doing stand up, but I don't know.

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His comment is like, look, look, my. The joke is that I am embodying stereotypes, specific stereotypes about black women. And that is the joke. The joke doesn't have anything. It's like, like, the joke is like, my man better not be talking to no girls, honey. Cause my man is physical comedy. We fighting.

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He does a lot of physical comedy. Like the one where he's doing, like, the car thing when he's like, between the two cars and it's like stretching him to a thing like he does. He does. That is a big part of it. Very, you know, Madea, very Martin, very Shanay, very lawanda, Jamie Foxx. But he's also doing, like, physical acts. He has a lot of physical comedy. Very, like. I mean, again, not the same. Because I think she's honestly in a league of her own, especially when we were kids. Raven Simone is such a great actress and such a great physical comedian, but it's like very, like, over the top, like, doing like, crazy things with his body.

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There's something I want to tell you. Oh, gg. Gg. GG good. Ggg, good. Gg, good. Gg, good.

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Gg.

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GG Good.

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Gg, good. Gg, Good. Ggg. GG good. House of Avalon. Gg, GG Good. GG good.

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Oh, not, not. Not about throwing ass.

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I. I wasn't trying. I was trying to do the dance where you kind of skip backwards.

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Oh.

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Oh, got it.

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The jerk. Is that the jerk?

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The jerk?

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I think.

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Yeah, that's a jerk.

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Can you jerk?

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No.

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No. Of course you can. I can't Macaroni.

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Definitely not right now. Oh.

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Cause the. Cause the. Cause the foot. How do you feet feel right now? How many days post op are you?

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This is. I'm exactly three weeks. 21 days post op. They're so swollen. They took off my splints and stuff today, and they're so swollen. And then so I have to wear

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a football for the first time in 21 days.

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Yeah.

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And how did you feel? They were swollen.

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Girl, they look gross. They have. Because of the swelling, which I didn't know. For people who are darker skinned, when you have swelling, like, you can have a little hyperpigmentation. Not. It's not hyperpigmentation. It's surface pigmentation, which Will go away in, like, a month or two from the swelling there. So they look a little. Look a little weird. I haven't put. They haven't been, like, washed or fucking pedicured in three weeks. So my feet look gnarly. I do not. Like, they're like, do you want to do a video? I was like, I do not. I'm not doing a video today. I like my feet. Look, I'm not putting these. These dogs on the Internet right now. Hell, no.

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You've never gone three weeks out getting

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a pedicure or washing my feet or soaping them or clean cleaning my feet. No, never. I never. Huh?

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I just went through style. Pedicure.

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Pedicure, yes. But I haven't. They have not seen soap and water. I understand.

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I understand. I'm so sorry that you're going through that.

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It's disgusting.

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How do they smell?

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They don't smell, actually. I was like. So that was interesting. I was like, there's no smell. There's no smell on my feet.

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Maybe because you're not sweating.

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Yeah, they're not sweating. And I mean, I've been doing things like, I've been taking a warm rag and, like, doing them, but there's, like, certain tapes. Holding the toes. Not holding. Holding the toes together is crazy. There are certain splints, positioning the toes so I can't get those wet. So I basically been able to wash my feet with a warm rag from, like, the middle. Like, from your arch back on the top and bottom so the front part hasn't been cleansed.

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Can't tell you what. Kind of drives me crazy. I don't know why it drives me crazy.

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What?

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When people act like they've never skipped a shower. I don't know why that drives me crazy, but it does drive me crazy.

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What does never skip a shower mean? Like, they've never not showered a day in their life.

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Like, they kind of, like, insinuate that, like, I will skip a shower maybe like, once a week. Maybe. Maybe that's. I mean, it depends. If I'm working, I will take, like, two or three showers a day because I shower before I work and I shower after I work and I will shower after the gym. So lately I have been not skipping any shower because I work out and I've been touring, like, nonstop. Obviously, I'm going to shower after every show because I am, like, not only am I sweaty, but, like, I cannot lay down on a pillow without washing my face. It will look like a fucking mudslide. It will ruin my My. My bedding.

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Yeah. Yeah. So I think. So I've been into. Not been into. But I. I like wearing. I like use. Like having white or off white bedding at home. So if I do drag, I shower before I go to bed. If I've been in drag. And also I go to the gym at least five or six times a week. So I'm also showering every after that. So I rarely do not shower because I'm either going to the gym or in drag. So I will shower every day.

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Like, every day of your life is not. It's not feasible. No one's showering every day.

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Yeah, every day of your life. I mean, I've definitely skipped showering here.

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At the beginning of the lockdown, I was like, I have nowhere to be, nothing to do. I was like, well, the girlies who

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are natural deodorant girlies or don't wear deodorant girlies. Also some adults. Just you. I know for me, if I don't shower, 24 hours is the most I can go. I cannot do 48. No showers because my pits start to smell. So I'm not a. I'm not a. I'm not a more than 48 hours girly. I have to. Or I just smell like BO.

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I mean, my pits smell before 48 hours. I don't need 48 hours for my pit starts. My way.

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No, I can go. I can go 24 hours without deodorant. After 24 hours, I have to shower. Get me to a shower.

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I have a theory. I think it's about how much deodorant you're wearing all the time. I used to wear a comical amount of deodorant. A truly.

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Were you a spray or a roll on the.

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The antipressor. Not the gel stuff. The white powdery stuff from. I think in third grade one time someone called me musty, and it traumatized me very much so. So I became. I became the egg gold medalist in the hygiene Olympics. An actual genuine gold medalist like you could. You would never catch me without a crease in my pants. Without this much deodorant showering this many times a day, you would not catch me in these streets. So I would put on deodorant like this, which I did not find out was too much until I was an adult. Show me. Show me yourself. Putting on deodorant. Show me you put deodorant on your face.

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Oh, I was going through my whole routine. Oh, just deodorant part.

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I want the deodorant. I just want the deodorant, please. This was me from 9 years old until about 22. 15. From here to here. There came a point where I literally couldn't sweat from my armpits.

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That's not even healthy. Well, the girl, that's like a.

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Who are you telling? Like, I kept being. I used to never understand why people had pit stains. I was like, why do you have pit stains? I Monet, when I was sweat, it would be wet everywhere. Except here the whole shirt could be wet, dry.

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Well, people that get Botox and they say that you can get Botox in your armpits and not sweat in your armpits. I'm like, that has to be. It just, that feels like it'll just. I mean, I guess it just goes somewhere else. But maybe that's why you're sweating so heavily everywhere else, because your, your armpits were clogged up.

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Maybe. I don't fucking know. But I remember being. And I remember one day reading something and someone was like, I remember being like. I was like, I don't. Because also, you know, it was one day I was wearing a backpack and I had the sweat mark and the sweat mark went from here and then it just stopped shy. And the sweat mark. Didn't you ever have the sweat. Sweat mark from backpack?

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I don't wear, I, I had, I had a messenger bag or a rolly bag.

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Oh, so you used to have one of these sweats. Sweat marks, yeah. Even in your adulthood? I guess. You know, I don't. Have I ever seen you wear a backpack?

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I wear backpacks at the airport

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anyway. And they were like, that's unhealthy.

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See, you have to consult someone who's very like sagacious. Like Raja. Like Raja. She like in her stage, like wisdom. She will like, she is good at. She gives no deodorant, but you don't ever smell it. She's good.

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I mean, I don't think you should put it on like a lugubrious amount of fucking deodorant. Don't go crazy, don't be like slathering your whole, you know, from, from the pit to the decolletage.

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Uh huh.

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You know what I mean? Mm. What's the money? Well, in fact, what's funny, after this break, I'm going to get some candy again.

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Wait, what's the topic today, Jacob?

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Talk shows.

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Oh yeah, Talk shows.

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So, Monae, you are not currently hosting a talk show. You're hosting a YouTube chat show. What do you call it?

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It's a YouTube chat show that I release as a podcast.

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So I'm not allowed to call it a podcast. I'm not allowed to call it a talk show.

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No, you can.

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I can't call it a podcast.

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You can because we released it. When you talk about the podcast, they're like, oh, I heard on the podcast this morning, if you watch the video. But like on a YouTube chat show,

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I feel like one time told me it wasn't a podcast. That's fine. You've evolved. So. But, but is it a talk show though?

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Is it. No, it's a chat show. When I think a talk show, I think talk show have other elements. Like I think about the talk shows. Right. Wendy Williams is a talk show. Like they're. I think what makes something a talk show. Maybe like what makes Wendy wins talk show.

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Like she didn't really. She didn't always have guests.

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Yes. When. I mean, except when she did a damn Hot Topics. But other than that, she. If it wasn't a day of Hot Topics, she would do a talk to a guest. Jenny Jones was a talk show, right.

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Jenny Jones was 100 a talk show. This is without a shadow of a doubt.

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So I guess what makes. Should we define what a talk show is? Let me just look up.

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I mean, do you know about what happened with Jeannie Jones and the gay guy?

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No. Okay. A talk show is a television or radio show in which various topics are discussed informally and listeners, viewers or the studio Audience are invited to participate. So I think, yeah, the talk show is a. Participating. You had a. I did have a talk show. Xtrange Drink was a talk show for sure.

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What. I mean, wait, so does the audience have participated? That's what makes a talk show.

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Maybe a studio audience is what makes it a talk show. Yeah.

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Oh, interesting. What were you talking about?

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Something.

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I just want to say.

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Jenny Jones.

[B]

So Jenny Jones, the show got canceled because after an episode she had this gay guy on who wanted to confess his love to a straight guy. I'm pretty sure I might be misremembering a few things here. He wanted to confess his love to the straight guy. The straight guy was like, I'm not gay. I'm not gay. He got kind of weird, but he didn't get. He didn't go full on, like, you know, crazy homophobe. He was kind of like, I'm uncomfortable. And then later on, when they went home, he went and killed that gay guy.

[C]

Yeah, I vaguely remember this.

[B]

For.

[C]

What year was this?

[B]

Oh, my God. This must have been like either somewhere between 1998, 2001, I would say. Jacob, maybe you can find that out.

[C]

Yeah, I used to watch because what I used to. Cause when I would get, like, stay home sick or whatever, Jenny Jones was still on the air. So this had to have been like 2000, 2000, 2001. But maybe they're showing reruns. No, but that's not. That's not the type of show you show reruns, though. No, you do.

[B]

Did you. Yeah, because, I mean, maybe not old reruns, but they. But they. They would show it multiple times a day.

[D]

It ran 91 to 2003.

[C]

So that makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Jenny Jones. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I used to love watching Jenny Jones as a kid. I used to be late.

[C]

She's the one that had. She's the one that had the door, the Ding Dong.

[B]

That's Ricky Lake.

[C]

Jenny Jones didn't have a door aspect.

[B]

She might have had a door, but I know for a fact Ricky Lake had a door that had like the.

[C]

The Ding Dong. And when the Ding Dong came in, that means it was like some. Some crazy thing about to happen.

[B]

That was Ricky Lake.

[D]

G.J.

[B]

jones might have had a doorbell, but I know for a fact Ricky Lake

[C]

had a doorbell, which was the one that. That had like all the. All the drag queens on. Was that Jenny Jones, Maury? No, it was. I think with Jenny Jones had, like, Shaquita and all of them on it.

[B]

I mean, they were. They were Kind of all doing it. But the one that did it the most was Maury, which is where the famous quote, that's a man, Maury comes from.

[C]

About who? Shaquita.

[B]

So it was just something that people would say frequently. It'd be a bunch of drag queens on stage. And some of the drag queens were trans women. Some of the drag queens were non binary amen people. Some of the drag queens were gay boys. Some of the drag queens were. Some of the drag queens were CIS women. There were all these drag queens on stage. And then people from the audience had to guess who is and isn't a man. And then someone famously said, that's a man, Maury. I don't remember who they're pointing at. They're pointing at somebody going, that's a man, Maury. Which is why I always say, dasaman. Maury is a good drag name.

[C]

Dasaman is not a name. I guess it could be. Actually.

[B]

Dasaman could absolutely be a name.

[C]

It could be a name. You're right. I can hear that. Dasaman. Dasaman.

[B]

Dasaman Mori.

[C]

Honestly, I might change my name to Dasaman. Dasaman. Burton. Dasaman. Burton.

[B]

Dasaman Mori is a great drag name. We'll say Ms. Dasaman Mori.

[C]

Although Dasaman sounds like. It sounds like a masculine name. Dasaman.

[B]

It could be Dasaman, but it's not as good as Dasaman. Dasaman Mori. I mean, did you watch any of those shows? I mean, in the early 90s, these shows were like. They were. They owned the airway. I was a huge Ricky Lake fan.

[C]

I actually got Jerry Springer.

[B]

I actually got to be on Ricky Lake's talk show. Not her talk show, her podcast that she had.

[C]

You what?

[B]

I got to be on Ricky Lake's podcast.

[C]

Oh, really? What was the podcast about?

[B]

It was about the Ricky Lake show.

[C]

Like. Like the Good, the Bad and the Ugly, like, talking about. Because I'm sure Ricky Lake is not absolved from having problematic takes back then. It was just a different time.

[B]

I'm not 100% sure what the whole. I haven't listened to episodes that I

[C]

wasn't on, to be honest.

[B]

But we were just talking. We talked about the impact of Ricky Lake, and it was mostly about the guests, honestly. It was really about me. But then I would talk about. Then we would have a moment talking about Ricky Lake. And I believe the reason why, if I recall correctly, she did with Callan Allen and Calen Allen didn't watch the Ricki Lake show, so. And a lot of the guests. I mean, I grew up watching the Ricki Lake show. And to be honest, Ricky Lake had one of the least problematic talk shows out there. I mean, when it comes to, like, Jenny Jones, Maury, Maury Povich, and specifically Jerry Springer.

[C]

Jerry Springer was a problematic. That show. That they would literally use it to out people.

[B]

They were like.

[C]

That show was insane. Watch it. It was like watching the wwe.

[B]

E. Was Jerry Springer a mayor?

[C]

He was a governor, I think of somewhere.

[B]

I think it was a mayor.

[C]

I can't remember.

[B]

What was it?

[C]

Jacob of Springfield, Illinois?

[B]

No,

[D]

he was mayor of Cincinnati.

[B]

He was a mayor of Cincinnati. Yeah.

[C]

Is Jerry Spring still alive?

[B]

No, he's dead, girl. He has fully abdicated his duties.

[D]

He died in 2023 at age 79. Yeah.

[B]

He has fully advocated his duties as a TV show host. Yeah. And then. And then his.

[C]

His security guard, it became his show, the Steve Wilko Show.

[B]

Well, Steve had a show before. Before. Before Jerry Springer show went off the air.

[C]

Did he?

[B]

Yeah, I'm almost positive we can look that up, too, but I'm pretty sure that's Steve.

[C]

Justice for Officer Burke. Where his show at?

[B]

Is that Judy's guy?

[C]

Yes. Where's Judge Will? Where's Officer Burke show?

[B]

You know, no shade, but I think Steve was working a little harder than Officer Burke.

[C]

Bird. Bird.

[B]

Bird, I think. I think Steve's working a little harder than Bird on that show because he

[C]

was separating people from fighting.

[B]

Yes, Monet.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

That is exactly why. What did Bird do? Hand people paper? Bring evidence back and forth? That's all he was doing. But he was holding.

[C]

He was holding that.

[F]

He held.

[C]

He held that court together. People were intimidated by his, you know, by his gravitas.

[B]

They weren't hit up by that tiny little Jewish lady up there, Judge Judy Scheinlin.

[C]

When did.

[B]

When did the.

[C]

When did the courtroom TV shows take over? Remember that? Like Judge Mathis, Judge Maybelline, Judge Joe

[B]

Brown, because that might have been the People's Court.

[C]

Is that the lady that's now from, The Republican lady? What's her name?

[B]

Her name is Judge. She's a. She's a white woman.

[C]

Shapiro.

[D]

Joseph Wapner.

[B]

Oh, what about. Where's Jeanine Shapiro from?

[D]

Oh, he was the original. I don't know. Maybe there's a different one.

[B]

And to be clear, Jeanine Shapiro is not the same.

[C]

Okay, Not Shapiro, baby. It's Pirro.

[B]

Oh, it's Pirro.

[C]

She's not related to Ben Shapiro, even though they have similar takes.

[B]

Wait, is Jeanine Pirro the one who. The.

[A]

The.

[D]

The.

[B]

The white conservative lady? Is that the same one?

[C]

Yes, for sure.

[B]

She also. She really wants you to know that she is from, like, Latin country because she's always Janine, Pierrot. She on the street is always like, she always. Like, we have a saying in Spanish. She always does that. She always does that.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

And I'd be like, I don't even know if these are real sayings.

[C]

I think a fly just flew in my ear, by the way.

[B]

Like, I heard.

[C]

And I'm like. And I'm trying to play cool on the air, but I think a fly just flew my air.

[B]

This sounds really. Okay.

[C]

I want to ask you something.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Then we'll get into a talk show. But, like, you see now all these campaigns right to. We've been in a talk show about Tyra Banks and how problematic America's Next Top waddle. I can't. America's Next Top Model was.

[B]

You have a top model right now, number one, and I get it.

[C]

But hot take, albeit problematic. Tyra Bank. The show was just amplifying how problematic the modeling world was at large. Tyra wasn't making up that they. Fat shame. They're transphobic. They're racist.

[B]

Ow. Oh, shit. That is hot. That is hot. That take is hot.

[C]

Oh,

[A]

no.

[C]

I'm saying, like, we can hold Tyrann. It's like we're holding Tyra Banks accountable but not talking about how toxic the model industries are. Large. Yes. We have people like, what's the trans woman Traditional Model of the Year? Cassandra.

[B]

Jessica.

[C]

No, her name is something. Something Cassandra. Right. Trans woman. Like. Like, that would have. Which. Although I think the. I don't know. Whatever. Kasani. Everyone knows. I think Alex. Alex Kasani. And, like, which.

[D]

I don't.

[B]

Jacob, can you look up how old

[C]

the model awards are? I feel like I don't remember hearing Naomi Campbell or Tara Bangs or Gisele won Model of the Year. I think that these are new awards.

[B]

To be clear, these awards only get recognition when a trans woman wins it. No one ever cared about athlete Woman of the Year until Caitlyn Jenner won it. No, I don't think a person out there can name another Woman of the Year. I literally don't think Woman of the

[C]

year or Athlete of the Year.

[B]

Woman of the Year. Caitlyn Jenner won Woman of the Year for who? Who, Who, Who.

[C]

Who gives that award?

[B]

I don't want to Google it.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

Someone gives it out, but I don't think anyone out there can actually name another person who won Woman of the Year. It only mattered once. A trans woman won it, you know.

[C]

Well, no, Bob. Oh, a Time magazine.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm not saying you can't name a person who's won it, but without looking up, can you name another woman who won it?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

That was Mitta.

[C]

No, but Caitlyn didn't win that.

[B]

Caitlyn Jenner. Well, look at the one that she won. Caitlyn Jenner won Woman of the Year.

[C]

I think she won a Glamour. Glamour Woman of the Year.

[B]

There it is.

[C]

Got it. No, I don't know anyone else was wanted. But what I was saying is that, yes, the show, whatever, they're amplifying that. But we need to talk about how bad. I mean, again, it's come. I mean, I'm not a model. I never worked as a model. I don't think I ever will work as a model. But obviously the community has shifted and, you know, it's gotten a lot better, but it's just like all the, like, toxic. All the toxic shit. Janice Dickinson would say. Fucking Nigel Barker would say. I'm like, they were all part of the bigger problem, which. Which is the modeling industry at large. But no one's talking about that. There's like, well, Tyra's evil and she made them do this. Let's take a break. And here too,

[B]

I think people have been talking about problematic stuff in the modeling industry for a very long time. Like, I don't think it is a new conversation.

[C]

I don't know any of this stuff. I feel like. I feel like I've only heard it about Tyra Banks in the show. I haven't heard about how they didn't feed the models this at the Dolce and Gabbana.

[E]

This.

[C]

You know what I mean? Like, I feel like I don't hear about that stuff, but apparently it happens all the time, but we don't hear about it.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like I do, but maybe you and I are just having very different experiences. I mean, I'm obviously not a model. You know what I mean? But, like, it's not absurd to imagine that, like, you know, my things that I see in the modeling world could coalesce into one. Like, there's gotta be some fusion at some point where we see the same things. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I just feel like, to me, it's pretty clear that I've always. I've always heard these things. It's something I've always heard personally. Yeah, like, you never heard about, like, models not eating enough and models working long hours and models getting fat, shamed.

[C]

But not to the extent where it's like Tyra Banks, where we need to take her down. She is evil. What she has done to the model community has destroyed lives. I'm like, that can be true. But why am I talking about all what you talking about? That has happened to a lot of people and happened to way more people than the women Tyra has affected on her show.

[B]

If someone, if everyone is speeding and the cop pulls you over, you can't go, what about them? You got pulled over.

[C]

This is true. But I'm saying, but I want to say Tyra is a fraction of. Is a small percentage of a bigger problem that we're not addressing a bigger problem. We're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this one. Let the show. But the girls are like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're calling them niggers and they're making their way to this and they're like, whatever, whatever. But this one right here, it's like, well, yes.

[B]

And just addressing one thing doesn't mean that other things aren't also being addressed. Like, I don't understand, what is the option? Just leave Tyro alone and get everyone else? No, the option leaves Tyler alone and get everyone else at the same time.

[C]

No, the option is to get everyone

[B]

because people have been. People have been talking about Janice Dixon being a monster for a very long time.

[C]

But you have a very similar, different experience than Tyra Banks, though.

[B]

We've been talking about Naomi Campbell being aggressive and violent for a very, very long.

[C]

Gets awarded for her behavior.

[B]

I mean, I think she's getting awarded for different things. She's being awarded for being good model. For being a good model. And she's being addressed for. For if she's going to jail or doing community service.

[C]

She went to jail.

[B]

Well, she got arrested. That's why she.

[C]

That's why she was. This. Was this the phone incident?

[B]

She attacked someone with a cell phone, right?

[C]

I don't know. She went to jail.

[B]

Well, she got arrested. Yeah.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

I think, actually, I'm not sure she got arrested, but I know she had to do community service.

[C]

I do, I remember that. I remember the community service of it all.

[B]

And of course, these models are the forward facing people, right? So people have been talking about how Anna Wintour is an absolute monster to models and not just have they do

[C]

what I said, have they?

[B]

There's a whole book, there's a whole movie about it.

[C]

Oh, Devil Esprada.

[B]

Yeah, there's a whole movie about it.

[E]

Mm.

[B]

You know what I mean? So I think people have been addressing it in their ways here and there over different things. And I don't think anyone's accusing Tyra, actually. I don't know because I have not seen the documentary yet, but I don't think anyone's accusing Tyra of anything illegal. They're just saying it was not nice.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think. I don't think it was illegal. I don't think it was legal work. No. I want to watch the documentary, though.

[B]

Needs to be had. The way that they treat people who used to audition for these talent shows.

[C]

Oh, I was on the receiving end of it, girl.

[B]

Me too. It's. Yo, it's. I genuinely think that it should be criminal, the stuff they. I have auditioned for America's Got Talent. I have auditioned for Last Coming Standing, and I think those are the only two that I've done besides obviously Drag Race.

[C]

I did AGT and I did American Idol.

[B]

Can you tell about your experience? Have you seen the video of that girl who. The pink impersonator from London who went crazy and started taking the cameras and

[C]

so attacking the cameras.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

No, I didn't see this.

[B]

When you hear her side of the story, you're like, yeah, bitch. I would have fucking attacked the cameras too.

[C]

Yeah. Like you get these, you know. Cause it's so. It's a cattle call, right? So many. They're casting a huge, wide, wide net in your town, neighborhood, city, whatever it is. And New York City. I mean, I understand. It's. They're probably. They're getting millions of submissions, I would imagine, or close to.

[B]

Maybe not millions, but thousands is probably a safe assumption.

[C]

I would say tens of thousands is a safe assumption for sure.

[B]

I mean, also what you guys don't realize too is to get to the audition with the judges, you have to be accepted to get that far.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

So to audition in front of the judges, you've already either auditioned or been pre screened by someone else before you even get there. You don't just get to walk in off a street and wait in line and you will be seen by the judges. That's not how that works.

[C]

Yeah, I submitted my thing online. I say submit online, apply, whatever. You get a time to tell you. Okay, your arrival window is. Your time is between 9 and 10:30. Something. I think mine was that early or it was like eight or nine, something like that. I had to like be ready. So I worked the overnight shift at the hotel, so. Bitch, I had to. I worked my shift Was I got done at 7am and I started gluing down my eyebrows at 6 at work, because I had to. I had to be in drag. So did I drive my car to the west side highway, to the. By the. By the Intrepid? And I was on the east side, so a little drive, go over there, sit in my car, do my makeup, get done. Right. At 8 o' clock, you did it

[B]

at the ballroom, right?

[C]

No, mine was, like, all the way at the water, on, like, a thing over there at the water. And then so I get to the thing, I have my little paper printed out. I have my outfit on, my wig, everything. Hand them my sheet. They're like, okay, your time is between 8 and 9. Just stay in this area. Someone will call your name. Sat there until y'. All. They said my time was between 8 and 9am they did not call me until 5pm and I was sitting there all day. And then you're afraid that if you go and get lunch, they're gonna call your name, you're gonna miss your opportunity. And all this time you sat there is. So you're just at. You're just at the beck and call, like, hoping, like, waiting, waiting, waiting around for the. For them to call your name. And there are food options there for, like, $20 for a fucking turkey sandwich. I'm like, I don't have time. I don't have money for that. So I sat there all day. They finally called me at five o'. Clock. Five o' clock wasn't even the thing. When they called me at five o', clock, that was to get ready then to go do my first round with the people. That was not until 7pm So I was there for almost 12 hours. And when I. Clients saw me at 7pm that was for the small audition. I passed that one, then went to another one that happened a little shortly after that, like half an hour later. And I didn't get through. And then I went home. So I was there for over 12 hours and I didn't get through.

[B]

That is so. See, y' all don't realize when you see the people on TV crying or breaking down or going crazy, you do not know how much they went through to get there. So when I did America Got Talent, I remember I got scouted. They saw me at. They saw me at. So you think you can drag. And they were like, we want you to audition for the show. You need to come audition, do the act you did, but do it again for us. And I was like, okay. They're like, But. But the New York City audition is already over. Can you come to Boston?

[C]

Gears. You went to Boston,

[B]

by the way. Boston to audition for the producers, not to audition on camera. Okay. Can you come to Boston to audition for the producers? Absolutely. I come to Boston, I audition. They say, uh, it's just not right for this year. I go, okay, next year.

[C]

This was a solo act.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What was.

[B]

Was, I am changing my old. I am changing. And where I did a costume change. I used to come out like Hannibal Lecter with this mask and a straight jacket, and then I would turn and then I would be wearing the prison jumpsuit and then would turn into a gown and see ol Cinderella dress trick.

[C]

She Bob went to Boston with his little panoply of tricks, honey.

[B]

And then they called me back in the next, hey, we want you to audition again. I said, you know, I don't really want to audition again. I had to go all the way to Boston last time, and I didn't make it in. I just don't want to thank you so much for reaching out. They go, you don't have to audition. You can go straight to the judges this year. I said, oh, wow. Okay. Thank you. That's so exciting. But I don't really want to go by myself. Like, I'm not a magician. Like, I did that one trick, but I would not categorize myself as a magician. Like, I'm a drag queen. I do comedy, and I do. And I do lip sync. So, like, can I do stand up? They're like, no, we don't want you to say. We want you to do a number. And I was like, well, I don't really think that, like, my act. I love my act, but, like, it wouldn't win the show. I'm going to get some friends together. I got my friends. We called ourselves the Glamour Beast.

[C]

It was me,

[B]

Brenda darling, Lily Heavenly, Ms. Cracker, Delilah Brooks, and Honeywell Bronx. I want to say we called ourselves the Glamour Beast. And we got up there, all of us, we were. Y'. All. The process to pick a song was so stressful.

[C]

Because of y' all or because of the people?

[B]

It was. It was like, what can they approve? What do they want? Okay, I'm talking about what. What do they. What do they want? And what can they approve? You know what I mean? So they wanted us to do impersonations. At one point, we were like, we don't already do impersonations, but someone's like, I can do this, I can do that, I can do this, I can do that none of us are impersonators, but we could. We were going to do I'm Every Woman and come out as different women. That was the whole plan for the number. But then they were like, we. What I. What I didn't know, which I know now, is that to impersonate someone on TV is way more expensive than just performing the number. Really can't use their likeness. So, like. So if. So let's say if you're gonna. If you're gonna use a song on a TV show, roughly blanket across the board costs $20,000. Every time you hear a song on a TV show, it costs roughly 25, $20,000 every single time. Once you start lip syncing to it, they're adding more money to it. Now if you look anything like the original artist, they're gonna like it quadruples even if.

[C]

How does Drag Race get away with it? Like when they do the Nights of a Thousand Dollars and do the fucking Dolly Parton lip sync on there.

[B]

Well, you can dress like Dolly Parton. You just cannot lip sync 2 Dolly Parton song while dressing lip sync for your life.

[C]

What do you think that mean?

[B]

Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, they probably pay a lot of money. Yeah, they have it. So anyway, so we get our number together, we end up doing blow by ke$ha. The number, it's an old dragon number I used to do where we do Blow by, where we have the. We open our jackets, we have these bomb. I have this bomb strapped to my chest. I hit a button, confetti comes out of the top. It's this whole number. Right.

[C]

Who rigged that together for you?

[B]

Me. I did it myself.

[C]

So you. The timing of this with these.

[B]

No, no, it's not here. It's here. So I have the bones on my chest, and then I have one confetti cannon in the front that's wrapped just like the other ones. They all look the same. And I just press one button in the front.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. So we get there. Very similar story to Monet Exchange. We need you guys here by 9 o'. Clock. By 9am Full Dragoons. Okay, we'll be there. We'll be there by 9am who was late?

[C]

Who was late?

[B]

No one.

[C]

No one was late.

[B]

Not a single person. Everybody. We took this so seriously. Monet, full drag. 9am this was the same year of season four of Drag Race. I remember because I chose not to audition because I was. I was gonna be. I was gonna be. I was about to win a million dollars like RuPaul.

[C]

I don't need your little stupid little show.

[B]

I didn't need it. I was about to win a million dollar Vegas residency. Okay, so we get on the show. We get there at 9 o'.

[C]

Clock.

[B]

Everyone's ready. Just one second. We'll be right with you all. You'll be right there. We hit the stage at 10:30 P. That's crazy.

[C]

13 hours.

[B]

10:30 P to the M. Sorry, 13

[C]

and a half hours. That's crazy.

[B]

And we were with Hannah Bronx. Anyone knows Hannah Bronx knows. Honey, Bronx is wild. She's one of my. One of my old friends and she is not afraid to ruffle feathers. She is kind of annoying in her own lovable way. And she kept. She kept constantly asking the producers, like, when can we go? When can we go? When can we go? When can we go? When can we go? And she's always eating these cashews. So she'd be popping these cashews in her mouth and going up to the. And she would talk like with the cashews falling. Mouth, mouth full. When is it our turn? When is it our turn? Well, actually, no, she has a very thick Midwestern. Oh, oh. So when do we get to go? When's our chance to go? When do we get to go on stage? So they finally bring us together this little interview and, and, and Helen Brooks is eating these cashews while he's trying to talk to us. Kind of like not paying attention. And then we finally hit the stage. We get up on that stage, we do our number and our. As soon as the. The song starts. This place about to blow. The.

[C]

Immediately.

[B]

Immediately. One giant. Actually, I don't know if it was immediately. I can't remember not. But it was one. There might have been a meeting. I can't remember if it was immediately or not, but there was. Delilah Brooks started fucking up with choreography.

[E]

She.

[B]

She got the buzz scared. Delilah Brooks, she got like, like she was shook, right Y girl. So. So I remember at one point, I'm do. At one point we were doing Single Ladies. This little moment, we're all facing the same direction. Why are me and Delilah looking each other's eyes? Why did I turn? And we are. We are locked as an O.

[C]

My God.

[B]

This big group of guys in the front row all dressed the exact same way, all stood up simultaneously. Started going. It was like 15 of them all at once stood up.

[C]

That is humiliating.

[B]

I'm like, are they just come here and ex People, what's going on? And then I think maybe that's when we started getting the Buzzes. So one buzz goes. Delilah, I think, starts crying while we're dancing. People are now all facing different directions. We get another buzz. I'm like, I'm not gonna stop dancing. We get our third buzz. XX10 xion. We have all X's across the board.

[C]

Damn.

[B]

0, X, X, X across the board.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Chops across the board, honey. Chops across the board.

[C]

No.

[B]

And then I talked. So I was the leader of the group, right? So naturally. So then I go over and I'm saying, I'm the one with the microphone and me. They never aired this, I think they didn't air. I've talked about this before on different podcasts before. They didn't air it, I think, because they knew it didn't look good. But immediately. Immediately Howard Stern starts to sexually harass us.

[C]

How?

[B]

He goes, well, that one's got great legs, and that one's really hot, and that one's also kind of sexy. And then I was like, we're not interested. We're not interested. And he goes, I could have any one of you I wanted.

[C]

Wait. J. Go has the article here for Entertainment Weekly about the drag queen. Says Howard Stern had a crude sexual reaction to her unaired America's Got Talent audition.

[B]

And he was. He kept. He kept asserting, like anyone. He kept saying, kiki Darling. He kept going, the how he wanted Kiki Darling, who was a very tall, slim, caramel, complected black drag queen.

[C]

I mean, Howard Stern should have done his research to know that you were very obstreperous, that you would not be sitting here letting niggas just talk to you any type of way. He should have fucking did that shit, yo.

[B]

I cannot believe that.

[C]

That is so fucking good.

[B]

But, yeah, I think that the gag was we're sitting here, and then. And then he and I are going back and forth, and I kept being like, none of us want to have sex with you. Like, you wish he could be like, any one of you would be begging me, like, something like that. And obviously they would not air that because it just didn't look good on anyone for him to be having that conversation with us. And then I do remember Sharon Needles going, I'll never forget these words. I will never forget these words. She goes, it looks like you didn't even rehearse.

[C]

Sorry, Sharon. Who you mean?

[B]

Sharon Osbourne? Sorry.

[C]

I was like, wait, Sharon, you was

[B]

a part of this group? Sharon Osbourne? It looks like you didn't even rehearse.

[C]

You imagine she was like Delilah.

[B]

So anyway, that was my. And that was just like a. And then. So then we walk off stage after being completely humiliated. And as we're leaving the stage,

[C]

we

[B]

see the producer who Honey LeBron has been harassing all day. And the girl. Some of them are crying, some of them are angry. Some of them just want to go home and get it over with.

[C]

And she's eating cashews, like how you did.

[B]

And he's got his cashews and he's like, oh, what happened out there? Bummer, huh?

[C]

Wait, now he's eating cashews.

[B]

Now he's eating cashews, screaming like, what happened out there?

[C]

Shady bummer, huh? So, yeah, so when you see these competition shows, these bitches, I mean, I would imagine maybe it's better now, better conditions, but maybe not. When you see the audition shows, people have gone through it. Girl on to get on the show.

[B]

They're dangling the carrot of success in front of people's faces who want this more than they want their back. Ref.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, guys. And it's not the same as, like being on a competition show, but it's these open cattle competition shows where you, like, you get to come in. And the thing about America, the thing about American Idol is to make it to the judges room, you have to be screened. So someone heard you sing, heard you sing poorly and chose to put you on TV because you sing poorly.

[C]

Yeah. William Hung.

[B]

Making it to the second round does not mean you're the best of the best. It means you're the most entertaining of the most entertaining.

[C]

Yeah. They're trying to make tv, y'.

[G]

All.

[C]

They're trying to make tv. If they put. If they put through all good singers, people like, oh, whatever they have to put. They're making. They're producing a television show like it's tv.

[B]

They don't really do it anymore, though. I don't. I think those have been kind of like, they're kind of taboo in Hollywood now. Like, you don't.

[C]

I mean, I don't watch the shows anymore, so I don't know. So I couldn't tell you.

[B]

And they take. That's why I was watching Mr. Beast lately. This Beast Games. What's it called, Jacob? The Beast Games, the Beastly Games or the five the Beast Games, which is just this. So if you don't know, Mr. Beast is the most followed YouTuber. He is. His whole thing is he just. He's a rich guy who gives out a lot of money. That's his whole. His whole thing is I'm a very rich man and I give Out a lot of money. I give out houses, I give away cars. He's just a rich man who gives a lot of people a lot of stuff. That's his whole bit, being rich and giving money away and houses and cars and yachts and stuff, and spending a lot of money. So he now has his own version of the Squid Game where he invites people over to engage in games of absolute chance and opportunity to win absurd amounts of money. Now, Mr. Beast has also done some great things.

[D]

Mr.

[B]

Beast did a thing once where he like, gave. Can you look up the number? He, he. He did something where he, like, paid these surgeons to do this surgery that will help people, blind people see. He gave, like thousands of blind people vision just as a random YouTube video. So I'm sure he does some charitable things as well. But his main grift is.

[C]

Is. Is the show good?

[B]

Huh?

[C]

Is the show good?

[B]

I haven't watched much of it. I haven't watched myself, to be honest. I just watched a few minutes. I keep seeing clips on my for you page.

[C]

I mean, the Squid Game show was so good. So if you say anything like the Squid Game show. I saw the Squid Game Challenge. The challenge, yeah, the challenge one.

[B]

I mean, Squid Game Challenge. Yeah. That's the thing, though. Like, when you're on these shows, like, I mean, obviously I have competed on reality TV shows, clearly. I did RuPaul's Drag Race. I've done America Got Talent. I've done the Traitors. I have done Last Comic Standing. I'm not new to the reality TV world.

[C]

But yours were all talent based though. A show like Squigga and Challenge or mrbeast show is not a talent. There's not a talent you're coming to the show with and you're putting that talent against other people, albeit, be it drag, albeit a manipulator for traitors, albeit a thing a comedian for con for last comic.

[B]

There can't be strategy. There can be strategy in. In. Because the. The Squid Game challenge was kind of like a little bit like Survivor, but also with a bunch of chance games. Also, real quick, spoiler alert to anyone watching the Squid Game, the new Squid Game season two, Spoiler alert. So this is your chance. Spoiler alert. You heard me say it. Spoiler alert.

[C]

I heard it's not good.

[B]

Monet, we are going to play Russian roulette. Okay, okay.

[C]

Wait, you were in the middle of a. Wait, you giving me whiplash. You were literally mid sentence about something else and you just went to the. What were you finished the thought you were saying before. I remember what I was saying.

[B]

Jesus Christ. We're gonna play Russian roulette. Okay.

[D]

Mr. Beast, the cataract surgery.

[B]

Oh, yeah. He gave a bunch of people cataracts. I don't remember how many it was. I was hoping Jake would look it up, but I don't know how many it was.

[D]

Oh, okay. So, I mean, here's the thing. And the video is titled, I Give a Thousand People Cataract Surgery. In the video they do. There are documented 200 cataract surgeries in the US and then the end of the video, he's like, oh, yeah. And we also gave 800 other people in Mexico cataract surgery, but they don't film it, they don't document it. So there's no actual proof that he did a thousand. There is documented proof that he did 2,000. Sorry. There's documented proof that he did 200.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

So, Mane, we're going to play Russian roulette. Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

In the Squid game, end of episode one of season two, he takes a gun and he puts a bullet in it. You spin it and you keep shooting until someone gets clicked. So Jacob is going to generate a number, one through six. And you and I are just gonna keep picking until someone hits that number.

[C]

And who hits it gets shot.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Damn. Okay, everybody, idea. We should do this game in person with a real gun and a real bullet.

[B]

I've never held a gun, and I don't want to start.

[C]

Okay, are you ready?

[D]

Yep, I'm ready.

[B]

So, Monet, we're both going to bring up a one through six number generator.

[D]

I have it. I have a number.

[B]

No, but we have to generate. We're not guessing. A number. You just generate them. Jacob has the official number. We're just generating numbers as well. So, May, do you have your number generator up?

[C]

It's 1, 2, 6.

[B]

Yeah. Type in one through six number generator.

[C]

I got it. I just know what we're doing. Okay, wait. Got it. Okay.

[D]

All right.

[C]

And who goes first?

[B]

Jacob, tell us to do.

[D]

Okay, we'll start with Bob.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Two.

[D]

Nope. You are safe, Bob.

[C]

One.

[D]

Monet, you are safe.

[B]

One.

[C]

No, you can't say number. I already said.

[B]

I just keep. Well, then you have to go again.

[D]

Oh, you want me to generate a new number every time?

[B]

No.

[D]

Wait.

[B]

How do we do it, then?

[C]

No, Jacob holds onto a number, and we get more generic. If one of us. If a number one of us has said this, then you have to generate again until you get another number, because essentially, that number wouldn't Be on the table. But we.

[D]

Oh, I understand. That is true.

[C]

Gotcha.

[D]

Okay, so I'm gonna roll every time.

[C]

Okay, no, you're not gonna roll.

[B]

Wait, so. So.

[C]

So Moni and I just wanna explain it. Jacob is gonna hold on to his number. Let's say number is three, right? You're not gonna go.

[B]

You and I are just picking random numbers. We're not. We're not generating numbers.

[C]

Yeah. We're just. Yeah.

[B]

So let's start over. Here we go. Jacob, roll that. Roll that number, Jacob.

[D]

Okay, I'm rolling it right now. The number has been selected.

[B]

Okay, I'm first again.

[C]

I'll go first this time.

[B]

Okay, go ahead.

[C]

In between one and six, right, Jacob?

[D]

Yep. Four, you are safe.

[A]

One.

[D]

Bam.

[C]

Dead, nigga, you dead.

[B]

Okay, now you two go. You two go. You ready? Ok. All right. The number has been selected. Monae, you won. So you choose who goes first.

[C]

Jacob goes first.

[D]

All right.

[B]

Six, you are safe. Four, you are safe. Five, you are safe. One, you are safe.

[C]

Fifty. Fifty, bitch.

[B]

Two, you are safe. Manette, you have no choice. This is the last one. You're dead, bitch. Bam. That was a crazy. Y' all went all the way to sick. That was crazy.

[C]

Pisces power, bitch. Pisces power.

[B]

Why don't we get another cancer in this bitch so we can scrub you hoes up?

[C]

All right. Well, we. You know, on this episode, I feel like we. We stayed on the topic for longer.

[B]

Sorry, go ahead. Sorry.

[C]

We stayed on the topic for longer than five minutes. That was very impressive on our. I'm very proud of us. We did.

[B]

And your word was certainly recalcitrant.

[C]

Damn. How'd you know?

[B]

You thought, oh, if I do it first, it'll be easy. I know how your brain works Fairly.

[C]

You didn't. And yours was coalesce.

[B]

It was not.

[C]

What was it?

[B]

My word was. I gotta look it up again. Cause I used it so long ago.

[C]

Lugubrious.

[B]

Lugubrious.

[C]

Oh, my God. I literally wrote that down. I was like, of course Bob knows what lugubrious is.

[B]

It literally, I know what lugubrious is, but it was still my word. Just because it's my word, do you.

[D]

Cause you also used it out of concept. You used it in an incorrect sentence.

[B]

No, I said, no, I didn't.

[D]

Lugubrious means sad and dismal. And you were talking about it applying deodorant.

[B]

Mine says especially or exaggeratedly or affected or affectedly. That's what mine says.

[D]

Let me look what I sent you. Mournful Especially exaggeratedly or effective.

[C]

No, because you incorrectly. I win.

[B]

You just made up rules.

[C]

You just made up a rule. That's what we're doing. We're making rules up.

[B]

You just made up a whole rule. This feels like the other day, by the way, other day, before I go. We were at Monet's party, and we were like, should you say if the gift is yours? The white elephant. Should you say if the gift is yours?

[C]

On. This is prime.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Yes. Okay.

[B]

You should say if it's your gift. And I know now why Andy didn't want to say what gift it was, because he's the one who gave out hideous underwear. But Monet was like, you don't have to. And I was like, yeah, but people want to. And everyone kept being like, I want to monetize. Not everyone.

[C]

It was literally just you and Jasmine

[B]

and Kim and Godoy.

[C]

Everyone who heard the conversation chatted. I met everyone. That's literally less than half of the

[B]

people there chimed in.

[C]

Everyone was sitting there.

[B]

Everybody said, monet, we should vote. Monet didn't want to vote. Monet was scared of democracy because it's my house. And I said, no, Monet's scared of democracy.

[C]

It's bipartisan.

[B]

But you don't make the rules. Yes, I do. I do. I make the rules for your house. You make the rules for your house. But we still have. You can't. Your rule can be, no one in my house can say that they bought their gift. Yes, it is.

[C]

This is my party at my house.

[B]

That's crazy. You can be like, you can't break my things, but you can't be like, y' all niggas can't breathe.

[C]

I had such a fun couple days of activity. I'm so excited. I'm going to New York tomorrow. I'm gonna go see Audra McDonald and Gypsy. Then I'm going to hang out with. I'm going to the studio on Sunday, and then Bob and I are going to go see Whoopi Goldberg on Monday. I'm very excited. Next couple days, I'm, like, so excited.

[B]

Gang, gang. I will see you in New York City, my love.

[C]

I'll see you more, my love. Bye.

[G]

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