The One About Tyra Banks

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Episode Summary

"The One About Tyra Banks"

Date: February 23, 2026
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change
Theme: A hilarious, critical, and nostalgic deep dive into America's Next Top Model (ANTM), TYRA BANKS, and the new "Reality Check" documentary series about ANTM—with loads of pop culture tangents and signature sibling energy.

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and freewheeling episode, Bob and Monét tackle the phenomenon of America's Next Top Model, dissecting the new documentary "Reality Check" and reflecting on Tyra Banks' legacy, the show's wildest moments, messy controversies, and its lasting impact on pop culture.
Both hosts share personal takes, behind-the-scenes knowledge, and playful arguments about childhood wealth, viral show scandals, and who owes what to whom. Other topics include Drag Race parallels, the perils of public transportation, and animal antics.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Childhood Wealth & Sibling Banter (05:31–16:00)

• Extended riff on childhoods, allowances, and who was "actually rich" growing up, peppered with accusations and Google-Zillow receipts.
  • [06:27] Monét: "You are...constantly threatening to throw our things away."
  • [10:29] Bob: "I genuinely believe that you grew up wealthy. And I'm not even kidding, Bob."
  • Hilarious back-and-forth about game consoles owned, sharing bedrooms with grandparents, and the economics of school lunch.
  • Quote: [11:23] Bob: “Why are you googling a home with a... You’re such a weirdo.”
• Animal chat interlude: Cody (Monét's dog) bites his own penis; musings on pets and mirrors ([16:06]).

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2. Setting the Scene: ANTM Documentary "Reality Check" (22:35–23:45)

• "Reality Check" is a three-part docuseries on the making, chaos, and fallout of America’s Next Top Model.
  • Both hosts binged the series; surprised at the show's behind-the-scenes intensity.
  • [23:09] Bob: "What are you gonna do when they do Reality Check: RuPaul's Drag Race?"

Notable Quote

• [23:44] Bob: "I threatened to piss in the trash can in the workroom... I pulled the trash can to the corner, and I was gonna piss in the trash can. And they were like, take Bob to the bathroom."

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3. Behind-the-Scenes of Early ANTM (32:49–39:13)

• Power and advocacy: Tyra fought for Jay Manuel and Jay Alexander to be made coaches despite network reluctance.
  • [33:43] Bob: "[Tyra] advocated for those two people, I think was brilliant."
• Casting struggles: Every network turned ANTM down except UPN, leading to the fledgling first season filmed out of a hotel suite. Rapid upgrade to full runways and jet settings in season two.
• [38:22] Bob: "Apparently they filmed their first season in a hotel. The whole season in a hotel."

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4. Contestant Trauma & Problematic Moments (39:13–47:16)

• Revisiting dark moments: The case of Shandy being sexually assaulted during filming, with the show (and Tyra) originally framing it as cheating rather than assault.
  • [40:54] Bob: "There is footage out there that exists of the cameras recording Shandy being sexually assaulted."
• Increasing extremes: From physically dangerous challenges (girls hit with pendulums & walking on water in bubbles) to emotionally exploitative makeover and dental surgery storylines.
  • [45:03] Bob: "They are now fully doing reconstructive dental surgery..."
  • [46:35] Bob: "Danny was in the dental chair... She’s like, 'I like my gap.'... Tyra’s like, 'you will be kicked off if you don’t close the gap.'"

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5. Accountability and Legacy: Who Takes Responsibility? (47:16–54:45)

• Tyra’s role as EP: Did she know enough or take enough responsibility? Did others (Jay, Nigel, Ms. J) shirk their own?
  • [49:22] Monét: "It did seem to me like Tyra was the only person taking responsibility for anything. And Ms. J and J. Emanuel and Nigel Barker were all like, goddamn up and Tyra Banks is crazy, right?"
• Fat-shaming and eating disorder storylines: Specific cases (Kenya, bulimia shoots, armpit hair retouching, etc.) and the show's role modeling toxic industry standards.
  • [51:41] Monét: "...having an A model who... many of the girls here have eating disorders...then you have an actor covered in fake vomit doing a bulimia shoot."
• TV as manipulation:
  • [54:45] Bob: "If the story of this girl is being eliminated, they're not gonna show her best moments. For example, if someone's getting eliminated on a Drag Race, they're gonna show you the things that led to them being eliminated."

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6. Who Owes What? Mentorship & Aftercare (55:18–56:55)

• Former contestants (e.g. Dani, Kenya) say Tyra didn’t help them post-show; hosts debate whether hosts owe contestants anything beyond TV exposure.
  • [55:57] Bob: "You're not owed this mentorship from Tyra Banks..."

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7. The Shade, The Fallout, And the Apologies (68:12–72:59)

• Coverage of the most infamous blowups and rants, e.g. Tyra’s "We were all rooting for you!" and Tiffany Richardson’s searing Instagram response, refusing Tyra’s apology.
  • [68:59] Monét (reading Tiffany): "You know how you treated me though? ...You was a bully... Also, fuck you, Tyra Banks. I bet you won't sit down with me face to face and talk about it."
• Other contestants (Yaya DaCosta) have forgiven Tyra; the overall question of apology “adequacy” is left open.
• Lack of trans inclusion and confronting the show's documented transphobia.
  • [72:08] Monét: "They didn't address the transphobia happening to [Isis King] on set."

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8. ANTM's Broader Impact & Drag Race Parallels (75:44–77:45)

• ANTM’s influence on Drag Race: Rituals like judging, elimination speeches, and producing “storylines” all have Drag Race equivalents.
  • [75:44] Bob: "You can see all the influences that Drag Race picked up from Top Model."
• Host nostalgia for Tyra’s classic ritual ("I have one photo in my hand..."), and playful re-enactments.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• [24:44] Bob: "And suck a dick for water. Also sucking the dick for water. You are a humanitarian."
• [39:13] Monét: "Shandy, the Walgreens girl who they were strongly insinuating that she was sexually assaulted without saying the words, 'sexual assault.'"
• [46:35] Bob: "Danny was in the dental chair... Tyra's like, you will be kicked off if you don't close the gap."
• [51:41] Monét: "...having an A model who... many of the girls here have eating disorders...then you have an actor covered in fake vomit doing a bulimia shoot."
• [55:57] Bob: "You're not owed this mentorship from Tyra Banks..."
• [68:59] Monét (reading Tiffany): "Also, fuck you, Tyra Banks. I bet you won't sit down with me face to face and talk about it."
• [75:44] Bob: “You can see all the influences that Drag Race picked up from Top Model.”

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Childhood Wealth & Sibling Banter: 05:31–16:00
• ANTM Documentary Set-up: 22:35–23:45
• Behind-the-Scenes of Early ANTM: 32:49–39:13
• Contestant Trauma & Problematic Storylines: 39:13–47:16
• Accountability, Fat-shaming, and Exploitation: 47:16–54:45
• Mentorship & Post-show Fallout: 55:18–56:55
• Apologies and Lack Thereof: 68:12–72:59
• ANTM > Drag Race Parallels / Rituals: 75:44–77:45

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Conclusion & Book Club

• Announcement: Next book for Bob’s Book Club (“Bob’s, not Momo’s!”) will be Jay Manuel's “The Wig, The Bitch, and The Meltdown.”
• Theme Song Showdown: All attempt their best "Wanna Be On Top?" recreations; the classic ANTM theme gets a Sibling Rivalry twist.
• Final Thought: Tyra’s legacy is complex—groundbreaking, controversial, and still evolving. The hosts leave their audience to debate whether, and how, legacy reality TV can (or should) make amends for past harms.

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Final Quote:
[77:45] Bob: "You can see all the influences that Drag Race picked up from Top Model."

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For Further Listening

• Watch "Reality Check" for the documentary context
• Look out for “The Wig, The Bitch, and The Meltdown” book club discussion on Patreon
• Prepare for thick Sibling Rivalry commentary on Cycle 25, should it ever air!

Transcript

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This podcast is supported by FX's Love Story, John F. Kennedy Jr. And Carolyn Bessette the new limited series from executive producer Ryan Murphy.

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It explores the complex courtship of the iconic couple considered to be American royalty, whose love story captured the attention of the nation. Their fairy tale romance would unfold in front of the public eye where their private love would also become a national obsession.

[A]

FX's love story John F. Kennedy Jr. And Carolyn Bessette watch now on FX.

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[A]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen

[B]

and I'm Monet X Change and this is sibling rivalry. On this week's episode, things get higgledy piggledy.

[A]

We talk about America's Next Top Model

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documentary and we find out what made Bob say this.

[A]

Sucking a dick for water. You are a humanitarian. And we found out what made Monet say this.

[B]

What's wrong with biting your own penis? You said first.

[C]

I get both words to use in the first 15 minutes. You have to figure out are you

[A]

snaked in one night?

[B]

I'm not sick, but you got nerds talking about my sniffling when you literally. Do you still sniff on our podcast every episode. The other day, Land had to send a thing about how much she's had to edit your sniffles out.

[A]

I have a deviated septum.

[B]

No, you don't.

[A]

Yes, I do. I have a deviated septum.

[B]

Then get it fixed. You have money, you have health insurance.

[A]

You're just sick and spreading sickness across la. Well, then why are you.

[B]

Because I just did a bump of cocaine. I just. I just did a bump.

[A]

A bump.

[B]

A bump of cocaine.

[A]

Right.

[B]

To start the podcast. So I have energy for you.

[A]

You kikiing. But I believe you.

[B]

You know, I don't do no damn cocaine.

[A]

I've seen you do cocaine. Okay, so if we call Tina Burner right now and ask her if she offered you a bump of cocaine in the bathroom, you're gonna say that didn't happen?

[B]

Correct. Cause you don't have to do no damn cocaine.

[A]

Tina Burner never offered you a bump of cocaine in the bathroom.

[B]

That was not Tina Burner. You already got the story wrong.

[A]

Sorry. Pussy Couture never offered you a bump of cocaine.

[B]

Oh, now all of a sudden you remember. She didn't offer me, but I didn't do it.

[A]

Did she put it up to your nose and what did you do?

[B]

I told this during the podcast. It was after the glamour war, just 2014. I was in a bathroom. I was on the second floor of the Ritz, and it was me and a bunch of, like, the popular nightlife girls. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm with the nightlife girls. I just started my drag career. I'm like, this is cool. And then they're like, girl, come to the bathroom with us. Back then, I did not know what going to the bathroom meant. I thought I was like, oh, we're gonna have drinks. We're going to the bathroom. We're gonna talk about our deepest insecurities. I don't know what was going on. So we all go to the bath.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And then they stand around. Cause you know, you know, the bathroom on the second floor in the Roots was big.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

You said that drool just jumped.

[A]

But when I said you drooled. But when I said you drooled it, I was crazy.

[B]

Anyway, so we're all in the bathroom. It was like six of us standing in a circle. I'm like, hey, guys.

[A]

Like, woo hoo.

[B]

How's everyone doing? Then one, I forget who pulls out the baggie. I think it was. It was Pussy Couture. She pulls out the baggie. And then, and then, and then a key. And then someone pulled out a key. I was like, oh, my God. And I was like, oh, my God, this is it. I was like, this is like, this is the drug. I'm officially a cool girl. They invited me to do drugs in the bathroom.

[A]

Oh, my God. I cannot. I hate this story.

[B]

So then they're all going around, dipping the key in, taking a sniff, going around, going around. And it gets to me. And I was like, well, I don't want to do it, but I don't want to look like. I'm like, you know, like, whack. I'm like, what?

[A]

Boring?

[B]

So I take a key. A big ass bump, too. I don't know how big or small to go, but I was like. Took a ladle. I was like, sky's the limit. I took a big bump, and instead of snorting in, like, inhaling, I exhaled. And then the powder went everywhere. And then the girl was like, girl, what is wrong with you? And I was like, girl, I'm just so drunk. Girl, I'm just so drunk.

[A]

Sorry, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Sorry. Well, you probably were drunk knowing. Knowing. Knowing how you used to be at the. At the club. That part thought was true.

[B]

I probably was a little tinsy.

[A]

Used to get twisted.

[B]

And then. But then. Then I took a yellow cab home.

[A]

Oh, my God, the yellow. I think I saw yellow cab there. I was like, what the is that? Oh, no.

[B]

They slapped them a lot in the city. I know.

[A]

I gagged. But y' all don't remember back in the day? Back in my day, most of the cars were yellow cabs. It was like the streets were yellow.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Do you miss that? Do you miss the yellow cabs?

[A]

No, the yellow cabs were horrible. God, they were horrible.

[B]

I like here, man. I mean, yeah. Cause sometimes they don't set up a stop for you. Uber is like a guaranteed stop after

[A]

watch ads in the backseat or press that little mute button. Um, also, sometimes the seats would just be, like one big plastic bucket seat. Like, not like. No. No fabric. Just like a plastic. Easy to clean if someone vomits or pisses or shits themselves. Bucket seat in the back. I've had those a few times. Not often, but I've had it a few times. And they were. I just did not like yellow cabs. I would. I would be. I would feel really nice when. When A yellow cab SUV will pull up like a.

[B]

Like a Toyota RAV4 or the Highlander

[A]

or the Honda CR V or the Honda CRV. But, I mean, I hate that that industry is gone, but I do prefer to be in an Uber. I'm not gonna lie to you.

[B]

I wonder how it's really. Oh, my God. How is it living under Zoran's rule?

[A]

It's great. The buses are free. We're a communist city now. No One pays for free.

[B]

For real already.

[A]

I don't know. Granted. Take buses. When I lived here, I'm scared of the buses. Because the thing about a bus is a bus will just turn. You think you're going south and then you are going east and you're like, whoa, whoa.

[B]

Well, maybe. Maybe you look up the route before you get on the bus, Bob. Maybe that's the thing you're doing.

[A]

But the route on the bus is not like the train route is clear. Even when it deviates, it shows that it goes a little bit left. But the bus routes is just a. The route is just a straight line. It has the whole thing on it. And you have to just know when it's turning. So to be on the bus that is just. That has just turned. The only bus I would ever take was the crosstown 96th street bus. I would take the 9th street because that's the only way to get across the park. Unless you walk or. I mean, how's the. I mean, there's probably. I think there's one 86 too. But the 96th street crosstown bus, or maybe the 86th Street. I haven't taken so long.

[B]

It's on 86th Street.

[A]

Yeah, the 86th street crosstown bus that goes to the park. I would take that bus a lot because how else am I supposed to get to the east side?

[B]

Obviously, bitch, you acting like. You acting like you on. You're in the movie Speed. The bus is just going. You can't get off the bus.

[A]

That's what it feels like when the bus takes a sharp fucking left out of nowhere. Like, girl, I want you to just go up and down. Just go left to right. Don't be bobbing and weaving through traffic. Just go in the direction that I need you to go so I don't get confused.

[B]

I want to say, girl, you are confusion. You be on the bus giving fucking higgledy piggly. Just confused as hell. Don't know what the fuck you're doing.

[A]

You didn't even know what higgledy piggledy means.

[B]

Confusion, angel. Confusion.

[A]

I actually learned. You know how I learned the term higgledy piggledy? What's the name from. What's that show?

[B]

Jared Bloom.

[A]

No, British guy. He was in our. He was. I probably shouldn't say this, but he

[B]

has a big penis. Ooh, British guy. Who.

[A]

He was on our tour, girl. He's in our blog. He's in that blog I did.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh, Jimmy.

[A]

Yeah, that's his name. Yeah. And he. In the vlog he like. I was like, you remember. I don't know if you remember because you probably don't watch my vlogs, but bobbing around UK version. He. He wiggles his dick at the camera.

[B]

I mean, I watched a blog.

[A]

Don't remember that.

[B]

It was also. So that girl. That was so long ago.

[A]

That was like, we're backstage. We're wearing our Dreamgirls outfits.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

By the way, where is mine? Give me, give me, give. Give me that outfit. No. But you're never gonna wear it again. And also, you. You. You're constantly threatening to throw. To throw our things away.

[B]

Not constantly throw away.

[A]

Yes, you are. You are.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

I was like, I'm gonna throw this away. I'm gonna throw this away. I'm gonna throw this away.

[B]

No, I'm not gonna throw it away. And I paid. Why would I pay? Why would I give you something I paid for? It's this. I paid for that dress, bitch.

[A]

Because you're going to throw it away. And you're so. I think. I feel like if you and I have something that we got together, like a matching version. If you're going to throw it away, you should either offer to sell it to me or give it to me. But don't put it in the trash, which is your favor. Yeah. If you ever find out where Monet lives, go search in the trash. You'll find couture garment. Because apparently Monet don't care about money. Money is nothing to her. Not an object.

[B]

Okay, this thing that you try to pretend like I'm just so affluent is not a real thing. I'm not.

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No.

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You're broke.

[B]

I did not say I'm broke. But you. This. Can you. After all the Ginger Minj drama and our Ginger Minj, our cantankerous relationship.

[A]

Ginger Minj.

[B]

I said Ginger Minj.

[A]

Jay, run it back.

[B]

After all the Ginger Minj drama, and now we're back, our kids. Anchors relationship. Can you admit that you have perpetuated these lies about me being this growing up, this rich kid? Can you? Can you?

[A]

I genuinely believe that you grew up wealthy. And I'm not even kidding, Bob.

[B]

Why would you think I grew up wealthy?

[A]

I'm gonna lay. Okay. I think my next video will be. I think I'm actually gonna do an expose.

[B]

A Bob.

[A]

Expose, Bob. A expose on how wealthy you grew up. Because you did grow up wealthy.

[B]

I did not grow up wealthy.

[A]

This is why I think you grew up wealthy. I will never go to the fact that your family owns a house in New York City. A house, not an apartment.

[B]

Kamiko owns house in New York City, too.

[A]

Do what?

[B]

Kamika's family owns a house in New York City. Is Kamika wealthy?

[A]

Yeah. Wealthy people hang out with wealthy people. You think Monet is like, this is literally you saying everyone has a house. Everyone has a housekeeper. All your friends have housekeepers. Everyone owns a house in New York City. Monet owning a house. And I googled homes in your neighborhood. They're very pricey. Very pricey.

[B]

Why are you googling a home with a. You're such a weirdo.

[A]

That's not weird. All I did was go through Zillow and tap in your neighborhood and look at how much a house costs. Let me tell you right now, if y' all sold that house, you'd be good. Let's just say a few people could not work for at least a year

[B]

in that same house. You know, five of us live there. My grandmother and I shared a bedroom. My grandma and I slept in the same bedroom from fifth grade to seventh grade. When I was seventh grade, she was like, all right, I'm gonna sleep on. My grandma slept on the floor of my bedroom from seventh grade to.

[A]

Now you're saying fifth to seventh grade. But in your video, Ginger Min, you said, like, up until 12th grade. So which one is it?

[B]

Okay, we slept in the same bedroom. Like, we slept in the same bedroom. Let me be clear, because bedroom from 5 to 12. But we shared. We literally slept in the same bed. Like, shared a full size bed in 4th and 4th and 6th grade. 7th grade. She was like, I'm going to sleep on the floor. I'm getting. I'm a. I'm a grown up man. Not a man, a grown boy. So she. My grandmother slept on the floor of my bedroom for seven.

[A]

You made your grandmother sleep on the floor?

[B]

She would not sleep on the bed. She's like, no, Kevin, you sleep on the bed. She was like, I'm going to sleep on the floor.

[A]

This is. Well, you could have went to sleep before her and just let her sleep in the bed. It was a.

[B]

It was. It was just. It was just what the thing was.

[A]

Is your grandma a big lady? A little lady?

[B]

You know my grandmother?

[A]

Yeah. Pick her ass up, put her in the bed.

[B]

You grown, you strong anyway, and so is it.

[A]

That's another rich kid behavior. Grandmother, you sleep on the floor crying. The crown prince of Saint Lucia. Ew. Dear grandmother, you deserve to sleep on the floor. Of course, I am the heir to the Bertin. And also you had it also you having allowance. That. When I say that blew my mind. Daily allowance, y'.

[C]

All.

[B]

Yeah, daily. Because I. Okay. And I told you that allowance had to get me lunch, breakfast, and lunch from school and an after school snack.

[A]

You didn't get free school lunch.

[B]

No, no, that's not. Because I went to performing arts broke.

[A]

He's had free school lunch.

[B]

The performing arts school was different. Like our. The. Your qualifications for. Because you're already subsidize. Like the. Your whatever.

[A]

Are you trying to tell me right now that. That art schools in New York don't give free lunches?

[B]

No, they have free lunch, but it

[A]

depends on, like, for the broke kids.

[B]

It depends on what the government's already paying for you. For example, if you lived in the neighborhood, you got to go to the school for free. If you're coming from Brooklyn like myself, you're part of your. The government. Whatever. They're paying for you to go to the school. So you get like half lunch. You don't get completely free.

[A]

So you got reduced lunch.

[B]

I got reduced lunch.

[A]

How much was it?

[B]

I don't know, maybe like 75 cents or a dollar a meal.

[A]

Something they adding up. I need to call Kamika. I need to get Kamika in here. What game consoles did you have growing up?

[B]

I had a PlayStation 2.

[A]

Hey, hey, hey. Look at this one here.

[B]

What game consoles do you have growing up?

[A]

I had a Sega, a Sega Saturn.

[B]

Oh, all of them. Just go. Yeah, keep on listening.

[A]

I wanna be clear. This is from when I was like, five until I graduated high school. I had a Nintendo, a Super Nintendo, and then I had a Sega, and then I had a Sega Saturn, and then I had a PlayStation.

[B]

Okay, so. And also, you were born so long before me. That makes sense.

[A]

I was born four years before you.

[B]

That's a long time.

[A]

And then I had a PlayStation 2 that I took to college with me.

[B]

Okay, see, here you go. There you go. Weasel word, my aunt that you took to college. So what, it just materialized in college? You got it when you were in high school. You took it to college.

[A]

I got it when I was in high school.

[B]

I need this. My back.

[A]

Tal wants a pillow to warm his legs. My laptop's cold. Duh. This is another rich one. Tal Beckley. He wasn't rich growing up too. Tal grew up rich. Jake, all y' all rich.

[C]

Can you show Cody's haircut to the viewers?

[A]

I don't know where he's at. He doesn't have the haircut. Oh, he doesn't? Cody, he's in the room. Oh, well, Cody's coming in a way, but one day I'm do a full documentary. Also I did a video on YouTube where they were asking us to name the flamingo in my studio. And the top vote is that her name is Julietta.

[B]

Why y' all name it?

[A]

I said. I said I'd name it whatever the people name it Cody.

[B]

Why y' all naming the thing Julietta?

[A]

They. That's what they. I said whatever. The top vote is Cody wears a cone because he bites his dick a lot.

[B]

So he has to wear the cone forever.

[A]

Just until he stops biting his dick.

[B]

No, I mean, he's been wearing the cone since I met Cody.

[A]

Yeah, he wears a cone whenever he's. Whenever he. Yeah, he's. He's a. He's a little dick chewer.

[B]

But what's wrong with. What's wrong with biting your own penis?

[A]

Well, his dick is covered in like bites and bruises. Cody, that's you. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Well, do animals know what they're looking at?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Does he think this is another dog or does he think.

[A]

No, I think if he thought it was another dog, he'd try to interact with it.

[B]

So what. So what does he think he's looking at?

[A]

Bitch, I don't fucking know what Cody thinks he's looking at. Maybe this is the picture. I think also he realized he can't smell. I think like he can't use any of his senses besides sight. So I think like when you see a dog. Although I've seen like videos of like animals in the. In the wild and they come across a mirror and they go fucking crazy. Have you seen that video?

[C]

I think a mirror is different than like a computer screen or like a phone screen. Because when you're looking at a computer or phone, it like changes the size, but it mirrors perfectly in scale. So I think they're more likely to think a mirror is real than looking like a tiny box on like a phone or computer.

[B]

Because, I mean, because when Colleen was a kitten, she would see a mirror and she would like that big mirror tab in the hallway and she'll go crazy. But now as an adult, she sees a mirror, she's like, maybe she's just

[A]

sick of that cash. Like, this cat will not leave. It never leaves this area. Fuck this cat. I don't know what her problem is. She's kind of. She's kind of sexy. She has a good looking cat. That being said, I want to talk about our actual topic today. I have.

[C]

What do you think your Words were.

[A]

Oh, we had the same word. Shady queen. It was higgledy piggledy.

[B]

Oh, I was like, I did not hear Bob's. But. But I got mine.

[A]

I made mine. I said higgledy piggle like three times.

[B]

No, but you. Not after I said it. You said. You said.

[A]

What do you got rates to say it?

[B]

But I. But if in the context of this game, I think I win because I got it out first before you got out.

[A]

I won. Like, the win is to who clocks the other person word. And your word was higgledy piggledy. I clocked it.

[B]

No, you.

[C]

You.

[B]

You didn't. You just said it until Jacob said it.

[A]

No, I said higgledy piggledy after you said it, and then I clocked it. You said jiggle said what was the other word? And your word was higgledy piggledy.

[B]

And I. Okay, I knew yours was higgledy piggledy too.

[A]

You did not.

[B]

Yes, I do.

[A]

I'm gonna

[C]

chat.

[A]

You let me know. But I did learn that word.

[B]

Look how you love the chat now.

[A]

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[A]

Here's something that I want to talk about. Last night, I watched all three episodes. Was it all in one night? Did we watch one before?

[B]

I watched them all. I watched. I watched all of them yesterday, too.

[A]

Well, it's only three episodes. If you have three hours of your life, you can sit down and watch Reality Check, which is a documentary about America's next top model. I want to hear your thoughts. If I knew we were. If I knew we were going to talk about it on the pod, I would have taken copious notes.

[B]

I would have, too. I wonder if this is a series. It's going to be Reality Check, blah, blah, blah. It's just Reality Check. And TM is just one capsule thing.

[A]

What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do when they. When they do reality check on RuPaul's Drag Race?

[B]

I literally, I threaded that yesterday. I was like, y' all gonna gag when they do reality check. A RuPaul drag race.

[A]

What are they gonna say, though? There's not really, like, any drama like that. Like, no one was hyp. No one was hyperventilating. No one was. Yeah. I mean, no girls are fainted. Has anyone ever fainted on Girls Have.

[B]

Girls have peed on stage. I'm one of five this season.

[A]

What'd you say, Jacob? Briar Blush came in this season. Oh, yeah. Briar. Yeah, Briar Blush did faint this season.

[B]

Five of us have had to urinate on stage cause for fear.

[A]

I wanna be clear. You could have, like.

[B]

I'm not saying.

[A]

Okay, let me approach this with some level of decorum. You could have left. Like, when I had to pee, I just said, I'm gonna go pee. They were telling me I couldn't. I was like, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do, tackle me? I'm going to actually, what I did Was I threatened to piss in the trash can in the workroom. That's what I did. They were like. I was like. They were like, we need to go to the main stage right now. I said, I have to pee. And they said, we don't have time for you to pee. You have to go to the main stage right now. And I said, okay, I'm gonna piss in this trash can. So I started taking my clothes out. I pulled the trash can over. I started pulling my dick out. I didn't actually get to my penis. I was never gonna actually pee in the trash, But I pulled the trash can to the corner, and I was gonna piss in the trash can. And they were like, take Bob to the bathroom.

[B]

Okay, now what if they called your bluff? And I'm like, okay, I would have

[A]

peed in the trash can. I mean, I was facing the corner. I wasn't showing my dick to anyone. I had the trash can in there. You can ask the girl. The girls will be like, yeah, I remember Bob doing this. I pulled the trash can to the corner, and I started getting undressed. And I was fully prepared to piss in that trash can. Fully.

[B]

He's on the guy in fyre Fest. I was fully prepared to go down there and suck his dick.

[A]

And suck his dick for water. Also sucking the dick for water. You are a humanitarian. I've sucked dick for so much less than, like, to get water for a community baby. I've sucked dick for the. For the. For the love of the game.

[B]

Was that guy still claiming that he was, like, what was his deal? He was a governor.

[A]

The guy who wanted his dick sucked for the water? Yeah. I don't think the guy. I can't remember the guy. I don't know if the guy wanted his dick sucked, but, like, actually, I can't. I just remember the guy saying he would. That he was gonna go suck this man's dick for water.

[B]

That was crazy.

[A]

Would you suck dick for water?

[B]

Girl, I've sucked dick for literally nothing.

[A]

Of course I literally.

[B]

But I enjoy sucking dick. I don't know if this guy enjoys sucking dick, you know, when he's gay. Was he gay?

[A]

Yeah, he was gay.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know the guy who

[A]

was gonna suck the dick was gay. Yeah.

[B]

Fire festival was gay. Fyre festival. That was pandemic. That we all watched it or was it before pandemic?

[A]

I wanna say it was 2019.

[B]

Yeah. Because Joe Dirt. Not Joe Dirt. Joe Exotic. Yeah. Tiger King was

[C]

so. The containers of water were stuck at customs, so they needed to clear all the water through customs. So he was going to meet with the head of customs to get the water to the island.

[B]

The head of customs wanted his dick sucked.

[A]

I don't think the guy. He didn't say that the guy at customs, like explicitly wanted his dick suck. I think that he was saying that the guy. And this is like a vague memory call. The guy at customs was kind of flirting with him because he knew he was gay. And then he was like, I was fully prepared. It kind of reminds me of Demi Lovato. I remember thinking, I'm about to beat this bitch up. That's one. There was a time where I could not stop saying that. I remember thinking, I'm about to beat this bitch up.

[B]

We don't talk about the documentary. That documentary, that Dem Lovato thing was so good. It was.

[A]

I've only seen that clip. I haven't actually seen the whole thing.

[B]

Oh, the whole thing is good. The whole thing is good.

[A]

Do you miss Demi Lovato when she was on her.

[B]

When she was on her gender journey,

[A]

but also do you miss Alien experiencer?

[B]

Oh, my God. She went through a few lifetimes, didn't she?

[C]

Hi, I'm Demi Lovato, singer, activist and UFO experiencer.

[A]

She has a whole UFO experience, UFO documentary. She is wild. Damie Lovato is really a wild one. But that being said. Oh, my God. Colleen. Do you wear this in front of Colleen girl?

[B]

So I bought it to do.

[A]

Can you hear me? Kind of. I bought it because I want.

[B]

I've seen the Tik Tok videos, how cats react to this. I'm going to do a video of Colleen reacting to this.

[A]

Oh, my God. Poor Colleen. I feel so bad for that girl.

[B]

How do I look? Do I look cool?

[A]

So cool. Ty won't let me prank Cody.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I don't know. He thinks it'll was the video I wanted to do. What's. What I wanted to do with Cody. It was gonna be mean. No, it wasn't mean. What was it? Do you remember I said it's in the DMs. It's like a trick or something. It's a trick. Yeah, it's definitely a trick. It's something where you.

[B]

Oh, when you like take the blanket and then you like disappear. You drop it and it disappear.

[A]

No. What? The blanket went. I mean, it wasn't the nicest thing. What was it? No, it. What was it? It's in the DMs.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Back to Tyra.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Yeah, I figured out. But there was something There was something I wanted to do to Cody, but I can't remember what it was. Oh, it's gonna drive me crazy. This is gonna drive me crazy. I'm gonna get it, Jake. I'm gonna get to Cody. I mean, to. To Tyra in a second. But I just remember trying to remember what it was I was trying to do to Cody. Shit.

[B]

Oh, this? Yeah.

[A]

That's gonna make him so stupid. Oh, the idea was. The idea was we put a plate of food in front of Cody and then we have people come in and kidnap Tao to see if Cody will stop eating the food to save Tao.

[B]

That's good. That's a good. That's a good one for me.

[A]

I don't think Cody.

[C]

Cody's a fragile dog.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Meaning what? He'll just eat the food and be like, bye, bitch.

[A]

I think Cody would probably piss himself

[B]

and he would probably have problems eating food from then.

[A]

Tao thinks he'll have a problem eating food going forward, which is probably true. Which he already has. Yeah. Cody grabs kibble and then he, like, takes to the corner and then he eats it, and then he goes back to the bowl, and then he takes the kibble and he goes to the corner. Then he eats it and then he kind of. He is very strange.

[C]

To clarify, Cody was a rescue. So Tao rescued Cody from a situation that was not great for him.

[B]

I say that. You're describing how I eat here at home with Andy's ass around. I gotta take my food over the corner, bitch.

[A]

Open container in front of Andy is crazy. You bitch.

[B]

Just.

[A]

Y' all know Andy literally does this when he goes. When he eats.

[B]

He does. Literally.

[A]

Like Homer Simpson. Like Homer Simpson.

[B]

Okay, wait, back to Tyra. So when they teased this last week or two weeks ago, when the trailer came out, everybody was like, oh, my God, we gotta watch this. And social media is ablaze of this documentary. TikTok reels threads. Everyone's talking about this documentary. And it's basically Tyra. It's Tyra, Ms. J, Mr. Jennifer, Nigel

[A]

Barker, and a couple of contestants and a couple.

[B]

And a couple of contestants and executives and. Well, one executive, Ken Moss.

[A]

Two executives.

[B]

There was two.

[A]

The lady who was the head of UPN.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, the lady head of UPN9.

[A]

I mean, she does get up and leave in the middle of season episode two. Because she gets. She got fired.

[B]

Yeah. So. Yeah. And it was. So they're basically talking about the origins of Top Model and basically seasons 1 through 18. Cause they didn't have any of the contestants from the New school or they didn't have, like, Kelly Cattrone. They didn't have Janice. I would have loved to hear what Janice Dickinson had to say about her fucking behavior.

[A]

I would've loved to see Eva. I would also. Eva, who's very outspoken. I would love to see what Winnie Harlow had to say.

[B]

Oh, is she outspoken about Tom Model?

[A]

Yeah, she's like. She's like, Tyra Banks didn't do nothing for me. Winnie Harlow's famously been like, anything I have in modeling is because of me. It has nothing to do with Top Model. It has nothing to do with Tyra Banks. But she was a contestant on Top Model, though.

[B]

She was a contestant. I mean, to her point. Dani. Dani, who was the winner of Cycle five, I think she goes on a whole thing about, like, afterward, like, she was in a. She was in a model house with Chanel Iman, who grew up to. Who blew up to be a top fashion model and literally jumped to episode three.

[A]

Let's. Can we go back to episode one before you jump to episode three?

[B]

Okay, sure.

[A]

So the top of the interview, first of all, it starts with Tyra Banks, which I think is not necessarily a great. Like, I think the documentary. If. I don't know if Tyra Banks is not. She.

[B]

She's not. Tyra was not a producer on this.

[A]

She was an. She wasn't a producer.

[B]

No, she was just a subject.

[A]

She must have got final approval or something, because it's. It's not giving. It's not giving. In my opinion. It's not giving. Super critical.

[B]

Super critical on tyranny. I mean, from other aspects.

[A]

Not her.

[C]

So allegedly. Yeah, allegedly. She had nothing to do with producer, and she saw this edit when we all saw at the same time. But there is still speculation that maybe part of the deal was that they painted her in a favorable light. I don't know. But allegedly, she had nothing to do with the production and just watched it with us.

[A]

I was. There are moments where I am. I can admit this. I am just so enamored with Tyra Banks. The prestige around her, her physical beauty, her. Like, sometimes she's just so stunning. In some of those shots, I was like, God, like, oh, yeah, this woman. Like, geez Louise. Like, I mean, some of y' all know, like, Tyra Banks is my favorite supermodel. I acknowledge that she's messy and problematic, but, like, I just look at her. I'm just like, God, this. To me, this is a fucking supermodel. Like, Tyra Banks is that girl when it comes to Supermodeling for me.

[B]

Yeah. And I also. So they talk about how the show started, and they went to all these networks. All the networks said no, and they finally got a yes from UPN9, which is a subsidy of Viacom, now paramount, so of CBS.

[A]

So UPN, I think it's called UPN9. In New York, it's called UPN Girl. That's crazy.

[B]

UPN. And they got to go for UPN. What?

[A]

I.

[B]

Okay, let me talk about the things I liked. I liked that Tyra was vocal about, like. Like, you know, they wanted to cast more popular names, but she was like, no, these are the two you need to cast as my as coaches. Jay Manuel, no one knew who he was. He was Tyra's makeup artist, and she was like, he will be perfect in the role of challenge producer. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And Jay Alexander, no one knew who he was. She was like, But I'm telling you, he knows how to make girls walk. And his personality is going to be what you need for the show. So advocating for those two people, I think was brilliant.

[A]

Oh, and also, this needs to be said. Spoiler alert, y'. All. If you've not seen reality check, clock out, go watch. It's only three hours. Then come back. This is your spoiler alert. I had a massive crush on Mr. J growing up as a kid. I was obsessed with him. I was obsessed. He's so beautiful with him. Geez Louise. I was obsessed with this man.

[B]

Cause he's a picture of racial ambiguity. I still don't know. He said his parents are South African American.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I don't know if there were Asian people living in South Africa.

[A]

I think he's colored in white.

[B]

He's colored in white.

[A]

Colored like Tyla colored.

[B]

Oh, in white.

[A]

Which color? People are already part white, I believe. I think.

[B]

Girl, I have no idea about the South African of it all. Let's call Orville Peck and ask him what J. Manuel is.

[A]

He is South African native.

[B]

He sure is.

[A]

But yeah, so I think Jay Manuel is colored in white.

[B]

But if he said it was Asian, you'd be like, yeah, that makes sense too, right?

[A]

Oh, he looks like Jeremy Carey. Whatever he says, I'll believe it.

[C]

His mom was Italian and Czech, and then his dad was from South Africa.

[B]

But what does that mean for South Africa? You could be white from South Africa.

[A]

You could be probably black or color from South Africa.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if Jeremy Carey told me that he was any race, I'd be like, for sure. Literally 100%. Yeah. The only thing I wouldn't believe, he was like, I am 100%, you know, Ugandan. I'd be like, you're not like, that's, that's not true. But if he was like any two, if he chose any two races and mixed them up, like, sure, yeah, I would agree. Why not? And also, constantly dyeing his hair was, you know, silver and white. Didn't help figure things out. A lot of times we would use the color of someone's hair to determine their race for sure. This podcast is supported by FX's Love Story, John F. Kennedy Jr. And Carolyn Bessette. The new limited series from executive producer Ryan Murphy.

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[B]

They just rent out different rooms. One room was a big suite that the nine girls stayed in one room. I'm guessing a suite was where they filmed the judges deliberations and critiques, which is crazy. I'm like the whole time they have the ballrooms y' all could borrow to film.

[A]

They probably filmed something in a ballroom. But the jump from season one to season two budget is insane.

[C]

Insane.

[A]

They are now renting out literal Runway. Jet. Like runways with jets. Not runways. Runways, where a plane goes. That kind of Runway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To actually do runways on the show

[B]

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[A]

And then they started talking about how they. Then it became like this constant one upping yourself, constantly trying to one up yourself, one up yourself, one up yourself. And then it culminates at the end of episode one with. What's her name? Episode one of this documentary.

[B]

Oh, God. Episode one. Yeah.

[A]

With the girl, Shandy. Shandy, the Walgreens girl who they were strongly insinuating that she was sexually assaulted without saying the words. Sexual assault.

[B]

Yeah. And then Kendall.

[A]

And then the show framed it as. Then the show framed it that she was cheating on her boyfriend Eric, as opposed to engaging with the fact that she was more than likely sexually assaulted.

[B]

Which was. Yeah, both. She was. She had. She was sexually assaulted by this guy and she cheated on her boyfriend. And she like the episode one ends with her like. And I watch this in real time. Me and Kamiki watched Top Model in real time. I remember this episode. It was so visceral. Again, back then I did. I had no Idea what it all meant. I was just like, oh, my God, not her cheating on her boyfriend. You know what I mean? And now, as an adult, watching it back and like, no, she was sexually assaulted because she had drank too much wine. They brought these guys back to the hotel, and she was like, yeah, we were in a hot tub. She had two bottles of wine to herself. And y', all, these. These ladies are. Are thin. These are thin, tiny ladies. So two bottles, bitch. A bottle of wine will take my big ass out to best man. Two bottles of wine.

[A]

I'll send you down a whole bottle of Tito's and do a cartwheel.

[B]

That's not true. And then. So I could imagine that she was probably really, really, really inebriated. And the crazy part was because it was real. Cause Ken Mock, who is the executive producer with Tyra, their idea for this was Real World meets American Idol. That was their framework. So they're like. The girls would be filmed 24 7. So there is footage out there that exists of the cameras recording Shandy being sexually assaulted.

[A]

But the thing is, the TV show Top Model framed it as her cheating. The documentary framed it with a strong insinuation that she was assaulted. Yeah, but at the time on the show, there was no conversation about. No.

[B]

Oh, well, the next episode. Cause, you know, producers told Tyra about it, like, the next episode, as in, like, of the season, that season. And she does, like, the next day, they do a thing about, like, cheating on her.

[A]

Cheating?

[B]

Yeah, cheating on your boyfriend. And then so Tyra's like, telling the story about how she was in Milan, a model, whatever, dating this guy. He cheated on her. And Shanda, the camera's on Shandy. Shanda's like. And then Tyra goes, what's wrong?

[A]

And she goes. And she goes, did you cheat? Did you cheat? Which is so crazy. And, um. So did Shandy end up leaving the competition? The documentary didn't make no. Did she leave?

[B]

No, Shandy didn't leave. She was. She made it to, like, top three or top. I don't remember. It could. Season two came down to Mercedes and Yolanda. I think Shandy was like, top three or top four. But I will say this honestly. Top Model does show how you can pick someone off, can pick someone out of obscurity, and they are. Can become this high. Cuz, y', all the pictures. I forgot the pictures of Shandy in. In Milan when she's doing. When they're doing the sunglass photo shoot, Shandy looked like a fucking super. She looks like a supermodel. Like, the way she's posing, like the broken doll thing and having her body so slinky. Shani is. Was stunning in that shoot. Just a random girl from.

[A]

From. From.

[B]

From some town from Walgreens.

[A]

But then they sent her back to Walgreens. They showed later in the season, the girl was like. They were like, are you the girl from. Aren't you the girl from Top Model? And she was at Walgreens being like, yep. So do you have a coupon or what? Do you have a membership rewards card? Like, yeah. They can pluck you out of obscurity. They can also send you right back to obscurity. So then in episode two, they talk about how, like, the show is, like, heightening now. Now it's like, it's like constantly one upping. They have the girls getting hit with pendulums that are swinging. They have the girls.

[B]

Everyone's talking about it. It's on the View. It's on Kelly and rip her. Everyone is like, oh, my God, look at this crazy showtime model. What these crazy girls are doing.

[A]

The girls are. The Girls are wearing 10 inch heels and to the point where. Where Nigel Barker and Jay Manuel are like, this is not what modeling really is. Like, models. There are times where models do some things like this, but this is not. But Tyra would often frame it as, like, this is standard in the industry. Not like, this may happen once in a while. Tyro Framing, like, and this is what it means to be a model. Now we walk on a platform. Now we do this, now we do that. You know?

[B]

Yeah. I also think, though, so my thought about that is, yes, obviously, like, those things don't typically happen in the real world. But I also. We are engaging in make believe, Right. They didn't make television. So there is a bit of hyperbole with, like, what models do. Cause you're making good tv. Like, just having girls walk down regular runways, like you said. Like, yeah, sure, that works for, like, a season or two, but you have to up it. So, like, yes, models are not walking on water when they were in the big bubbles, walking a Runway in water. But I do understand we're making TV and you're hyping things up a little bit.

[A]

Well, now we go from the point where the makeovers go from just, like, dying your hair and, like, cutting Ebony's little tuft of hair, which.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Ebony was season one, y'. All.

[A]

She had, like.

[B]

She had a low season like this, but with, like, a little bit here. And they are in New York City. Tyra's ass. And the producers, they couldn't get. Go to a barber down the street and be like, hey, can we get someone to do? Or do you think they just wanted the drama?

[A]

I don't think they wanted the drama. I think they probably wanted the makeover to look good. But I think that Tyra doesn't do her hair like that. So, I mean, who wants that? But Tyra doesn't get. Tyra doesn't get her haircut like that. Tyra gets her hair weaves. So Tyra. I mean, why would Tyra know where to get a haircut like that when she's never had a haircut like that?

[B]

Okay, Bob, I don't have long hair. I know if there's a black girl who wants box braids or locs, whatever, I'm like, oh, like, I should get someone who specializes in that. I know that. Just not anyone can do it.

[A]

Well, you say that now in the lens of 20, 25, but I think that tyranny. Probably thinking to herself, I've seen times where a guy will have his daughter, and then he does not, even though he may have the same texture hair as his daughter. He's like, I have never had my hair done like this. I do not know where to go. I do think that it was inappropriate. They did not have anyone there, But I don't think they were doing it for their drama, because it wasn't. Because it didn't seem to be a big drama point on the show. It seemed to be a big drama point for the documentary, for sure. It wasn't a big drama point. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But. But now we go to the point where we're just doing, like, little haircuts. They are now fully doing reconstructive dental surgery on Dani and the girl with.

[B]

And the girl who. Joanie.

[A]

Joanie, where they. They, like, are pulling her teeth.

[C]

Four.

[B]

They pull out four of her teeth. So Joanie had a snaggle tooth. I remember old snaggletooth Joanie. Joanie had this snaggle tooth. And then. So, like. And it was. You know, it was a little unsightly when they were doing, like. They mentioned it when she was doing her. The audition and stuff like that. And then, like, Bob is saying, like, they. They was like, okay, well, we're gonna fix your teeth. Dani had a gap. A little gap in her teeth here. And Joani had a snag or tooth. So they sent. So they sent all the other girls to the salon. They're like, ladies spa day. Dani And Joni come with us.

[A]

And then they're gonna go to a dental surgeon.

[B]

A dental surgeon. And they have Joni fucked up. Joni is like. And I think she said, until today, she still has. They didn't, like, rectify her situation.

[A]

She has bite issues.

[B]

Bite issues. Yeah. Yeah. And then Danny. Danny was in the dental chair and he was like, well, we're gonna close your gap. She was like, no, you're not. He was like, well, that's what they're saying to do. She's like, no, I like my gap. I don't wanna close my gap.

[A]

But then she goes back to Tyra and Tyra is like, if you don't close your gap, we're sending you home. Basically, she likes.

[B]

She likes. She's like, you know. You know, when you do those pictures, they just see like this. Do you want to be seen like this on your go Sees? And Danny was like, I mean, yeah, but you're saying if I don't get it done. She's like, I'm tired of. To say, you will be kicked off if you don't close the gap. She was like, you are like, now. If I give you this picture, you're going to close the gap, right? Basically saying, like, you need to get this done or else you're going home.

[A]

So Danny goes back, gets her gap closed. A few seasons later, they give a girl a gap.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I'm fighting now. I'm fighting now.

[B]

Yeah. And then in all of this, Tyra's like, you know, like. She's like, I was just. I was like a host of the show. She was like, some of these things were decisions that producers were making.

[A]

No, I feel like. No, I feel like what Tyra was saying was like, the demand was coming from the audience, so therefore she was engaging in it with more. She wasn't saying, like, I had nothing

[C]

to do with it.

[B]

No, it was a thing. It was one of the things.

[A]

The firing of the three guys. She said that decision.

[B]

No, earlier. She was talking about. She was talking about. Like, they asked her about. Oh, no, they asked her about Shandy when they ask her about. So were you aware of the Shandy situation? And she was like, shandy? Yeah. She's like. She's like, yeah, I know bits and pieces of it, but, you know, I was basically like, I wasn't there. Like, I didn't. I don't remember the words.

[A]

But with the challenges. She didn't say that. She was not part of the challenges. Getting crazy. She didn't say she was a woman.

[B]

No, no, no. I was talking about the shit. And then all that saying, like, you're an ep. Like, if you're an EP of a show, you. It is in your. You're the executive producer.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Yeah. You don't know the. Probably the minute details of everything, but you have a pretty good understanding of what's going on if you're the executive producer of a show.

[A]

Well, I can't say I've never been an executive producer of a show that large before, so I don't know what they're hiding from Tyra. I don't know what's going on, so I can't be like. Like, you definitely know. I do not know that. But what I can say is that as an ep, you probably have access to this information if you ask for it. But if you don't know what to ask for, how would you know? You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. What'd you think of? I feel like they did take some responsibility and ownership over the things they were part of, but sometimes I did feel a little bit that, like, J. Manuel was scapegoating Kyra a little bit. I was, like, saying, like, you know, like, I was doing this and I couldn't believe. And I'm like, you couldn't believe what you were doing? So, like. Like, you, like, you have to take some ownership in this as well. Right.

[A]

I will say, it did seem to me like Tyra was the only person taking responsibility for anything. And Ms. J and J. Emanuel and Nigel Barker were all like, goddamn up and entire banks is crazy. Right?

[B]

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

[A]

But there are clips of Ms. J. Not just Janice Dickinson, but Ms. J. Being like, you're a little fat. And clips of, you know, clips of. I mean, that did happen. Like, it wasn't just Tyra Banks and Janice Dickinson.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm like. And, yeah. Yeah. Jay Manuel, you were doing your job. And again, this is a wild.

[A]

This is a.

[B]

This is. This is a big jump. Like, yeah, ICE is doing their job, too. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you're doing your job, but you're still, like, you're doing the behavior, is what I'm saying. Like. Like you're there helping the girl paint herself, making the Korean girl black, making the white girl East Indian. Like, you're part of it. Like, you're. Yeah, you're just doing your job as the challenge producer, but it is problematic, albeit, like, you're just doing your job.

[A]

You know, I'm not gonna compare it to Ice.

[B]

I'm not comparing it to ice. I'm just saying, like, a lot of people

[A]

are.

[B]

A lot of people have done their job, and their job was problematic.

[A]

Yeah. I will say to that point, there is not a lot of J. Emanuel or Ms. J. Or Nyjah Barker taking ownership for their parts. And, like, having an. A. A model who probably has a. Who if there's eating disorders on the set. And you, like, all the girls were documenting. Like, a lot of the girls here have eating disorders. And then you have an actor covered in fake vomit. I mean, an actor, a model covered in fake vomit doing a bulimia shoot. Or you have a girl whose mom was shot and paralyz. And then you now have her do a photo shoot where she's been shot and she's dead. Or where you have a girl who's, like, not fat by any stretch of the. Not even pudgy, not even thick with 1C. Like, literally just a. What I would see is a skinny woman, Kenya, telling her she's fat, then giving her the gluttony photo shoot, then telling her that she's an elephant, and then making fun of her belly.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That, by the way, doesn't exist. And then Nigel being like, we had to do a lot of foot order. Like, do you know how expensive retouching is?

[B]

Well, that was for the armpits. The armpit hair. But with Kenya, he did say to her, when they were modeling lotion, it was Naima's season, the season Naima won. And they were modeling lotion. Each girl. It was five of them. Each girl was an animal. They had Naimos that a cheetah. They had that other girl as an ostrich. They had this one as, like, a gazelle. And they made Kenya, who. Throughout the season where they were having this storyline of her, like, eating a little more and not being exercised. And then they come out saying, kenya, you know, Kenya, you're gonna play the elephant.

[A]

And then they had her eat. They edited her eating one bagel to make it look like she ate three different bagels, which was gaggy. Yeah. Editing one bagel to look like you're eating three bagels is crazy. To build the storyline that you're this big, fat whale bitch. But then they would say stuff like, jacob, I'll ask you, you came from the world of fashion journalism. I mean, fashion photography. And you work with Mike Ruiz. How expensive is it to edit out on a large scale to edit out some armpit hair? Realistically,

[C]

that's, like, a hard thing to call like, retouching is expensive, but typically retouching, like, retouching can be really expensive, but you don't pay by, like, armpit hair. Like, you pay for, like, a set thing of photos. You do your thing. So, like, retouching can be expensive. It can be anywhere from, like, five to, like, $13,000 for, like, the really crazy stuff. Like, there's one photo shoot where, like, it's Lady Gaga for Versace, and they release the pre photos way later, and Lady Gaga is not wearing any makeup in the photos. Like, her entire face is put on in Photoshop afterwards. So, like, it can be very expensive if you're doing that. I don't think armpit hair is, like, that expensive, but, like, if you're retouching everything, you're not gonna. Like, the armpit hair is not gonna be the make or break amount of money.

[A]

Yeah, because. Because Nigel made it sound like to retouch this armpit would be like. He was like, do you know how expensive retouching is? But on this photo shoot of that scale, all the photos are retouched, right?

[B]

Yeah, but also.

[A]

But they're not releasing raw photos.

[C]

And for Top Model, the retouchers are. Have been hired in bulk to retouch all the Top Model photos together. Like, they're paying.

[A]

I don't get the conversation. Like, do you know how expensive retouching is?

[B]

I think the. Com. But I think the conversation goes to. I think. I think the. I mean, I don't know for sure. I think the cost of retouching goes with the profile of the designer. I would reckon that David LaChapelle or Annie Leibowitz, their retouching is probably more expensive than, you know, someone that we Photoshop with. Like, someone up the street that we shoot with.

[A]

I'm just. I'm just. I'm just saying, like, he made it seem like retouching her armpits would have caught. Would have. Would have put them into bankruptcy. And I'm being a little hyperbolic, but he's. But he made it sound like we can't afford to retouch our fucking armpits. But the whole photo. But meanwhile, the whole photo's retouched.

[B]

Yeah, and then. And then they tried to drop something in episode three, which I'm like, guys, this doesn't hold water. When they were like, you know, later on in the season, they. If a girl had, like, a storyline or like a. Or was getting eliminated, they would show a bad picture. I'm like, yeah, it's television. Like, it's tv. Like, if the story of this girl is being eliminated, they're not gonna show her best moments. For example, if someone's getting eliminated on a drag race, they're not gonna show you their best moments. They're gonna show you the things that led to them being eliminated.

[A]

How did you feel about the lady in the tie? What was her name? The lady in the tie?

[B]

Kenya. That was Kenya.

[A]

Yeah. About her being like, Tyra Banks basically said that she didn't. And, like, Tyra Banks admitted that she didn't help her after the show.

[B]

Girl, you. You. Are you asking the question? You already know my stance. I'm like, you're not owed this mentorship from Tyra Banks. And it's the same thing I feel about girls that be like, well, RuPaul didn't. I'm like, you're not owed a mentorship from RuPaul. When you signed this contract to go on RuPaul Drag Race or Top Model, you didn't sign a contract saying, I'm going to be Tyra's protege or RuPaul's protege. I'm going to get his number and I can call him and ask him for advice. You're guaranteed a chance to come on television and market yourself and become a thing after that. Like, you're not owed a mentorship from the host. I don't think so.

[A]

Well, I mean, it really hurt. Kenya.

[B]

Is her name Kenya? Like, Kenya, But Kenya got it.

[A]

Obviously, it really hurt Kenya. Cause she. Because Tyra banks told her 15 years after the fact that she was like, I didn't do anything to help you. And that really, really hurt Kenya.

[B]

You know, what's up, Danny?

[A]

I can see the comments like, yeah, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Didn't. Y'. All. We didn't know.

[B]

We were.

[A]

We didn't. We didn't know we were gonna be doing this. We didn't know. But the point is, one of the girls was like, Tyra Banks basically said, I didn't do anything to help her.

[B]

That was Danny. That was Danny. Dani said that? Yeah.

[A]

And it really hurt. Yeah, it was Dani. Yeah. At the chick Closer gap. But then I do look at people like Harley Winnow, Winnie Harlow, I mean, and the plus size lady who went on to do all that stuff. Who went on to do. She went on to be, like, this major model. And I think Eva also had a pretty great career for a hot sack. I met Eva at the black and iconic soiree for bt.

[B]

Oh, Fairs. How is she in person? Gorgeous, I'm sure.

[A]

Really sweet, kind of Nutty. Really?

[B]

How? Why is. How sexy?

[A]

Like, really, like, kooky, energetic, fun. Like, like, she wasn't. She wasn't. Like. She was, like, goofing off and really silly.

[B]

And that's what I feel about Portia Williams, you know, Now I am a Portia Williams, Stan. I'm obsessed with Portal Williams.

[A]

Did you see Lisa Rinna calling Portia stupid on her Instagram, like, recently?

[B]

Yeah, like, how recent?

[A]

I just saw her last night.

[B]

Like, she said the word. She's stupid. Like, what was the context?

[A]

Let me find the exact quote, Jacob, if you can find it. It's Lisa Rinna in her car, and she's basically like, I didn't know that Portia was stupid. Is that crazy?

[C]

She said Portia's dumb.

[A]

Yeah. What'd you say? Dumb? Is that what she said?

[B]

No, I'll fight. I'll fight for Portia. Don't get me. Don't get dumb.

[A]

She's like, I didn't know. I didn't know that she was stupid or dumb or whatever she said. And I was kind of like, that seems kind of crazy to say about somebody. Like, whoa. I don't know. I thought it was kind of strange. I think it's on. It's on. It's on TikTok. No, I just thought she was an OG of the Housewives. She's Portia. I didn't know that she was dumb. That's what everyone's saying.

[B]

Oh, you should know that Portia's just dumb.

[A]

Well, I'm sorry.

[B]

That doesn't work for me. This person wants my parking spot anyway.

[C]

Okay, but there's a clip from Housewives where they're talking about the Underground Railroad, and Portia is like, I just don't know how they get a train down there. And then the girls are like, that's not what the Underground Railroad was. So I think.

[A]

So is part of Portia's, like, public Persona that she's kind of, like, dumb.

[B]

Not dumb, but, like, you know. You know, she did think the Underground Railroad was a train station. Like the slave.

[A]

A little Derrick Barry, a little bit. A little more black.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. But I'm obsessed with Portia. She's queer. Now when I think I'm obsessed with. I think because of Marcia. When I find. When I. Huh?

[A]

Are you outing this woman?

[B]

No, she. This is public information. When, like, when I. Straight women who leave dick alone and become lesbians, I think I am. I love this trajectory for them and the way that they describe being with women. It's like, what the Fuck was wrong with me? Why did I not do this so long ago? I'm like, good for you.

[A]

Do you think the reason you're connected to that? Because it's time for you to leave dick alone.

[B]

Honestly, I say this all the time. I hate the fact that I like dick. I hate the fact that I like dick. I hate it.

[A]

Well, take a. Take a look at how happy Portia is.

[B]

But dick is so good.

[A]

Look how happy Portia is. She's so happy.

[B]

You know? What's that monologue you used to do? Like, because it's coming up. They shooting up inside me, and it's all up in my brain. I got to call him. Oh, Alexis.

[A]

Alexis Tyler. Tyler or Alexis Taylor?

[B]

Yeah, I got the dick on my brain, girl.

[A]

So back to reality check. So toward the end, we find out that apparently there's a term they're using which is a phrase. No sacred cows. This keeps coming up, meaning nothing here is sacred. Everything can go, including Tyra Banks. And eventually all. All four of the people. Tyra Banks, Jay Manuel, Mitch, and Nigel Barker have all been outed at some point. First the go are the first three together. JJ and Nigel and.

[B]

And Tyra and Ken have to let them know. Do you think that. Do you think that. Do you think that Tyra. Okay, so. But the conspiracy is Tyra was like, they told me that I had to change this. I didn't want to. Do you think that? Because. Okay, sorry. Before that, like, season 10, J. Emanuel wanted to leave the show. He wanted to leave the show. He was like, I had my time. I didn't like the things that were going on.

[A]

And I then did another nine seasons.

[B]

That's what I'm. So that was season 10. And then he was like, aight, whatever. And then he sent Tyra an email outlining this whole thing, which he said, see, this is where I'm like, mm. Cause they were, like, such good friends. Tyra and Jay were good friends. Sleeping in hotel room beds together, coming up with concepts together. Like, they were besties. Like, they worked. They were doing two seasons of a show together a year. So they were like besties, and they were like girlfriends on the phone late night, early mornings, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[A]

And then.

[B]

So y' all are such good friends, you wanted to leave the show. So you draft an email and you send it to Tyra Banks like that.

[A]

That's the problem.

[B]

Like, that doesn't make sense. Let's say Bob and I. Bob and I, we have a big falling out, and I. And I don't want to do the podcast anymore. I'm gonna send Bob an email

[A]

that'll make sense. I would call. And then it took three days, and all he got back from Tyra Banks was, I am disappointed. 3 days. She wrote one word a day. I took a break. Am took a break. Disappointed. Sin.

[B]

Like, what do you think about that?

[A]

Well, maybe they're just not as close as he was insane when they were. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like if I had this big thing, and then, like, now I don't see you until we go. Until we're back on set. And according to him, he didn't see Tyra Bank. They were back on set, and she looked over at him, and he hadn't. That was, like, the first time he. That was the only time he spoke to her since she sent the email that said, I am disappointed.

[B]

Yeah. And they were like. They were on a boat doing a casting thing. It's the first time he's seen it. They're on the thing. And he said he tried to say hi to her, and she was very cold. She didn't say anything back. And as soon as the camera's on,

[A]

she's like, hey, girl. Which again, what do you think, Jay?

[B]

Which honestly work. But then you do that, and then you waited. Then you did eight more seasons. I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me.

[A]

Well, they were all fired at the same time, but they were gonna do, like, a mutual. Like, hey, we parted ways before they could do that. Someone leaked it to Page Six, and then Page Six was like, honey, they got the can. They're cooked, honey. And then I do believe that that was the truly the beginning of the downfall of America's Next Top Model, because after that, it became. It was UK Invasion, which, honestly, the

[B]

UK Invasion season was fierce. That was with Asleen. I love that season.

[A]

Then Top Model, the moon, and they let. They let the guys compete, and then they were doing models in space.

[B]

And that's why we got Corey.

[A]

Do you mind?

[B]

Corey? He's so beautiful. Corey. Wade. He should have won that season.

[A]

I gotta be honest with you. I have not watched Top Model probably since Cycle three. What?

[B]

Oh, girl, I watched every season. Top Model. I was obsessed with Top Model, and like, okay, here's. Okay, Can I give you a hot take?

[A]

I'm more into Project Runway, to be honest.

[B]

Can I give you a hot take?

[A]

Let's get that. Let's get that reality check, honey.

[B]

Project. I would love to see that too. Wait, can I give my Hot take.

[A]

Yeah, of course, y'.

[B]

All. I know this is problematic. I know, I know.

[A]

And we're not shocked. Continue.

[B]

But the switching racist thing, yes, it involved blackface, but it did look really cool. It looked really cool.

[A]

Monet. This is another clip that's gonna fucking follow us for the rest of my fucking life. Oh, my God.

[B]

I'm just saying, like. Like, I remember, like, watching it as a little. As a little kid watching it. I was like, oh, my God, that's really cool. Now as an adult, I'm like, oh, this is crazy. But, like, we all. When we were all 12, 11, 9 years old watching it too. We're like, whoa, that's really cool.

[A]

Let me tell you right now. There's a clip online of Willem bashing RuPaul. And then Alaska just goes, that's me right now.

[B]

When you walk, I can't wait to

[A]

see the thick pieces on Bob and Monet. Love, love blackface. When you.

[B]

I mean, girl, they already do that because of you and your Magnus Hayes things.

[A]

I still stand by that. That was a great. That was the first photo shoot. I'm still standing by that.

[B]

But I'm saying, when we were like, did you watch that in real time? Like, I watched it in real. Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No, I watched it in real time. But, yeah, that's why when it went

[A]

viral, like, I saw, like, clips of it on YouTube and stuff the time, then definitely down the line, I was like, oh, my God, this is. But then the series kind of ended on something that's kind of crazy is that Ms. J had a stroke. And now the diva who teaches the girls to walk, to this day, she still can't. At least at the time of filming, she could not walk. She has lost the ability to walk. She lost the ability to speak for. And leading up, I kept thinking to myself, wow, Ms. J sounds different. I kept thinking to myself, she sounds so different now. And then at the end of episode three, they reveal that she had a stroke and she was in the hospital for a year and a half.

[B]

And Tyra did not come say anything.

[A]

But Ms. J honestly gave her a lot of grace. She was like, not yet. And she was, like, still smiling. Which was part of that kind of made me feel Sad to see Ms. J be like, that's how we're gonna visit you. And then she's like, well, not yet. But then it was interesting. Cause they were able to get all three of them together, but they didn't get Tyra with them. Cause I don't think Tyra but apparently Tyra text. Apparently Tyra texted Ms. J a few days ago. Apparently from the time of that filming.

[B]

But, you know, Jay Emanuel wrote a book about her. I mean, it's not about her, but should we do.

[A]

Oh, my God, y'. All. Should I bring back Bob's Book Club BBC and read J. Emanuel's book on Tyra Banks?

[B]

I'd read it. We can do that one together. I'll be interested in that. Read. What's it called again, Jacob the Bitch. The Runway and something that looks like high fashion.

[A]

No, Jacob's looking it up.

[B]

Yeah, I think the Bitch, the model,

[C]

the wig, the Bitch and the Meltdown.

[A]

The wig, the wig, the Bitch and the Meltdown. Let me see how long this book is on Spotify. So is Tyra the bitch?

[B]

I think she's all of them, girl.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Is she the bitch? She's all three.

[A]

She's the wig, the bitch, and she's the Meltdown. It is not. It is 10 hours of listening on Spotify. I can do that. I can do that in about eight gym sessions.

[B]

Yeah. I'll be down to read it.

[A]

Oh, my God. Listen, book club. If y' all want me. Okay. I'm officially announcing it. The next book for Bob's Book Club is this one.

[B]

Is Bob and Monet. This is Momo's Book Club.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're a special guest.

[B]

And every time you. Every time you post, I will. I will be correcting the title on the Patreon.

[A]

You are literally Donald Trump. You're trying to call it the Gulf of America. The way you're so Trumpian is crazy. You're literally Gulf of Americaing. My book club that you have never been part of, never attended. Do you even know any of the books that we've read?

[B]

Yes, y' all read Harrods. You bullied our. Pretty sure it's a buying Harriet.

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They voted and they chose Harriet Tamil concert.

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And I want to see. I want to see. You know, I'm going to be like, I want to see the voting records of that election.

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And they're available. And do you know our first book that we read?

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The Coldest Winter Ever.

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Afro Pessimism.

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Afro Pessimism.

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Anyway, so we're going to read the Wig, the Bitch and the Meltdown. We'll probably start this book club in March so you all have time to join the Patreon and March.

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March. This is just the start.

[A]

That being said, thank you all for listening to us.

[B]

Wait, there was something else I wanted to say.

[A]

What?

[B]

I mean, the sentiment online, people are always like, like, like, what do you think about it? Like, do you think that Tyra apologized enough?

[A]

Do you think she.

[B]

She should apologize more? Like, what did you.

[A]

What's not for me to say? She didn't wrong me.

[B]

Okay. Well, as someone, like, watching the show, like, what do you think?

[A]

I think I would like to see the people she wronged, the people who she wronged. Ms. J seems to forgive her. J. Emanuel seems to not. Nigel seems to forgive her, and a lot of the models seem to not forgive her. So I would say in some cases she did. In some cases she did not. I don't think she did. I think there's a reason why Tiffany was not in the documentary.

[B]

Oh, well, what reason? Oh, yeah. Oh, that was another thing. Y' all know the iconic, um. I've never in my life yelled a girl like this. Apparently that was the edited one because there was one that she said some crazy shit that is on film somewhere. But I bitch now. I kind of like the swish Swiss lip sync. I want to see the unedited footage. I want to see the whole rant.

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Well, Tyra admitted that she went too far and what she could have said

[B]

that was so crazy.

[A]

Tiffany Richardson, we are all rooting for you. Okay? Tiffany said, hold up, Tyra bank, let's keep it cute. You are one lying ass, I think, tired ass bitch. You know how you treated me though? The whole time, off and on camera? You was a bully. He treated me like shit and said the nastiest things about me and my son. This is not how the argument went. But y' all edited it to make it look like you cared. Also, fuck the Shade Room. Fuck you weird ass fans, and fuck you, Tyra Banks. I bet you won't sit down. I bet you won't sit down with me face to face and talk about it. Also, fuck my family too. Also fuck my family too. Y' all don't ever defend me. I got more money in helping more people than all of. Of all or many of the top models. But that's the update y' all give. Damn shame it's giving. Y' all still hating on lil Black ass me. Tyra Banks, ho. Just let it go. It's been over 20 years. Fuck. Oh, wow. Tiffany the goat. So Tiffany does not accept Tyra Banks apology.

[B]

I saw Yaya Dacosta on Threads. Oh, I saw someone posted her thing on Threads and she was basically saying, like, she forgives tyranny. Yaya was the runner up of season three with Eva Pickford and she was saying like she saw Tyra at an event recently and she was basically saying that Tyra doesn't owe you guys this apology y' all are seeking. And Yaya was like, if anyone, like I should be most upset. But she's like, I've forgiven her and blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[A]

What's her Wait, Jacob, what's her Instagram? Tiffany the goat.

[B]

What one?

[A]

Tiffany the goat one.

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Tiffany the goat one with two.

[A]

But yeah, I mean her profile just says rich nigga Tiffany seems like she is. Wait, I don't see me playing the victim after I get caught cheating back. Tiffany's got a wild. Tiffany's Instagram is kind of wild.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

It's kind of wild. But that being said, she did not accept Tyra Banks policy. So I would say on some counts, yeah, Tyra Banks did apologize enough on some counts. She just did not do what people thought was adequate. And I did find it. Tyra Banks, the consummate self promoter, used this as an opportunity to be like, oh yeah, and there's a cycle 25 coming. Like, Tyra Banks will not stop promoting. This woman is kind of relentless.

[B]

Are you going to watch, are you going to watch 5:25?

[A]

I mean I didn't, I don't think I even watched. I haven't watched many of them, so probably not. To be honest. I would be curious to see how she corrects how she writes the wrongs of her past.

[B]

There are a few girls like they didn't have. Lisa has been an outspoken anti Tyra and they didn't have her on there. They didn't have Jade. Remember Jade? Oh no, you didn't watch that far. Jade.

[A]

No, wait, no, no. Jade was the one who they said was grumpy and mean and, and light skinned. She was light skinned girl.

[B]

She was black and Asian, I believe.

[A]

Yeah. They said she was like meaning of a bitch. That was her whole thing. She was like, she was like a bully and mean stuff.

[B]

Yeah. Because she was. Cause she was mean to Pironda.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean they didn't have, they didn't have ISIS King on there.

[B]

I, I, Yeah. Oh, so that's Sorry. As we keep on. Ooh, ooh, ooh.

[A]

They didn't address the transphobia. They were just entire banks like ISIS King. But they didn't address the transphobia happening to her on set. Yeah. That they filmed and showed. Mind you, I wonder what they didn't show.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? They didn't have Winnie Harlow.

[B]

I think that if they do another season, I think they would obviously know they need to, like, fix a lot of the sins from the past. I think the new season would probably bring back a lot of these girls. Like, all these girls just want to interview and, like, try to do some, like, something with that.

[A]

I think one of the girls was straight up, like, fuck you, Tyra. In the interview. She's like, fuck you, tyranny. Or, no, that's bullshit.

[B]

Or Tyler was Danny at the end.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously, what cannot be denied is that a lot of people were hurt by this show.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. I agree 100%.

[A]

And not just the contestants. This even goes to the judges, you know?

[B]

Well, that's what I wanted to see, Jani. I wanted to see Janice Dickinson up there. I wanted to see Kelly Catrone. Kelly Catrone was mean when she was there.

[A]

Janice Dickinson is not well,

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't know. She's crazy.

[B]

Anything about Janice Dickinson, to be honest.

[A]

She's wild. She's on Instagram critiquing people's runaway walks now.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah. She's like, I don't know if she still does, but for a while, she would just, like, see people runaway walking and she would just go online and just, like, critique their walks. Work the worst supermodel, as she says.

[B]

Like, was she really the world's first supermodel?

[A]

I wasn't there. I don't know.

[B]

Know. Well, what I do know is that this was a great episode. Thank you guys all for listening. And look out for the BOMO Book book club. We're starting and we're reading the wig book club.

[A]

We're reading the wig, the and the.

[C]

Before we go, I'm hoping you can do a rendition of the America Sex Top Model theme song for our viewers.

[A]

I don't know how. Huh?

[B]

This is a.

[A]

Okay, no, I'll do. Will you do one? I'll do mine, then you'll do yours, Mon. And then Jacob, you'll do yours, right? Here's mine. Want to be on Bonnie. Naughty, bony naughty. You want to be on pony? Naughty naughty, bony naughty. You want to be on top? Let's see your resume. Wanna.

[B]

Wanna be on top. And there was season like, nine. She, like. She did like, the remix kind of like. Remember when. Remember when Sister Sister changed the theme song? 1 1. One year.

[A]

I do.

[B]

It was like. It was like.

[A]

Used to be like, yay, Disney.

[B]

Then one day it was like, I

[A]

got my own mind.

[B]

I do my own style and my

[A]

what happened with singing Sing cry Nazi sister sister? Can we hear your version of the Top Model theme song?

[C]

Okay. It's. Wanna be on top? Want to be on top.

[A]

Jacob, I think you win this big challenge. Last thing I was saying before we go, this is all one episode. I guess we're making up for the fucking short episode where y' all flame us. If episode is 59 minutes, y' all flame us into the earth. Um, you can see all the influences that Drag Race picked up from Top Model.

[B]

Oh, totally. Totally. One thing that I wish Drag Race did do, though, I mean, look, what Drag Race does is pretty great, but Bitch, Tyra Banks, the. Her setup of having, duh, I only have one picture in my hand. When I reveal the picture, the girl whose picture's not here, it must immediately go back to the blah, blah, blah, blah. That was the way that I was watching it. And I was getting, like. I was getting tense watching. I was like, oh, my God. I remember how at the end of every episode, that setup was so visceral. You were like, bitch, when she reveals, and you're picturing out there, you done when Tyra didn't.

[A]

I give them an opportunity to do much, and they'll talk back. Like, it's like, you must immediately go back and pack your bag.

[B]

There is the one.

[C]

Immediately, she's talking to the girl, and she's like, you've survived so much, and today you've survived this.

[A]

You survived so much, and I'm sure you'll survive this. Go home.

[B]

It was great. It was like, Bob, I look at you and I think, he's funny, he's brilliant, he's stunning. But also, he's not stunning, and he's not brilliant, and I don't know if he can handle this competition. But you, Jacob, you're so smart and you can manage podcasts, and you do such a good job. Good job on the Patreon. But are you good to the patrons? I don't know. And so who. So who goes home? Bob or Jacob? And today this picture is blank because you both go home.

[A]

I was like, damn, Damn, Tyra. Damn. She's. Are you going to watch the new season?

[B]

I. I probably will.

[A]

I'm probably too dead. I'm too dead.

[B]

But what. Also, what y' all need to watch is come and see me next in Palm Springs at the Plaza Theater. Also Pittsburgh. I'm going to Palm Springs and Pittsburgh. Coming up, Palm Springs on February 28th at Pittsburgh.

[A]

Last night, I'm gonna pitch an idea. You and Naomi should do A watcher for top model cycle 25.

[B]

Ooh, that's a good idea. I would love that. I would love that.

[A]

And I gotta find someone to do a watch with me for the new season of the Comeback.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Cause I'm not watching that.

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