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so me and Monet are going to be releasing an old episode, one of our favorites from this year. I don't know if you all remember the one where we had to be nice. If you missed it, it's just to re listen and enjoy it with us. I hope you made your Yuletide gay. I hope that your year was wonderful, and I hope that 2022 brings everything you need. Happy New Year. Happy holidays. My name is Bob the Drag Queen
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and I'm Monet x Change. And this is simply rivalry.
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On this week's episode, we bring out Monet's birthday sweater.
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We try to be nice to each other.
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And we found out what made Monet say this.
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Oh, my God, you are still going. And we find out what made Bob say this.
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Wow. Pride will be your downfall.
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Okay, this is the one where we're being nice to each other. You're already.
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I don't know how to be nice to your cat.
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That's me. That's like a part of me.
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That's not me. This is a part of me. I don't want her in this. Cause we're fighting right now. Look at her.
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Look at her little angel.
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Mm.
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Mm.
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Yeah. Run, Mary. Okay, so we usually do a intro and then we get into the topic. So do we want to start our thing after our little intro?
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Yeah. I mean, so.
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And get it out of our system.
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And I wouldn't say it's the intro. It's just more like the introduction to the episode.
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Oh, my God. Why would you say that? So just, you guys know, after the break, Monet and I are going. We cannot be. We can't be mean at all.
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Yeah.
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We have to be nice.
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Yeah.
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Which I think we can do.
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Yeah, we can. We've done when.
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Bitch, when?
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Well, I. Okay, let me speak for me. I've done when. I reiterate oftentimes bother. We are. I genuinely often come to you in a nice, positive With a nice positive disposition. You push me.
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So what's your part in this?
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I. In terms of niceness?
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What's your part in your attitude, like when you're mean?
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What's your part in When I've had enough. I'm like Jennifer Lopez in that movie. Enough.
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So you think it's just me. It's just me being wild and you just reacting to me and you just a innocent bystander the majority of the time. Living in the crazy world of Bobby Dragon.
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The majority of the time. Absolutely.
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And this is where I would say that feels like your truth because that's subjective.
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Uh huh.
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I think when were we. When were we Our absolute worst. Like the meanest we've been to each other.
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The beginning is that we weren't mean. We were just arguing. But mean. I don't think we've ever. I don't know. When have we been like mean to each other?
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Like gravity ball bite.
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Okay, that was you. That was overwhelmingly you.
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I mean, that's.
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You see, no, factually, the fans are like. Everyone was like, damn, Bob, what's wrong with you? Why are you going ido Bonet like that?
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I don't feel like that was a Jacob.
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Jacob. Was that not
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sibling watchery? Legendary.
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And I'm gonna go to the Patreon.
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The one with gravity. Here it is. So the comments are saying stuff like Bob is going to be pissed with the latest episode. Going to be gag worthy. Oh, that was because Tisci got eliminated. Can someone have some? Okay. Gravity was so quiet while they were talking about Tisci going home. Gravity. Okay, this is everyone talking about Tisi going home. Brainstorm for Tisci. I can't talk about gravity. Looks like a snack. Um, every. Okay. I see you, Monet. Every episode. Monet is like, deshawn can be okay. Wow. Gravity's giving me extreme middle vibe. Yeah. No one is saying this Mone so I'm really looking. Girl. Bob is painted. I wonder why Bob is going to release the Jamila isn't wearing. Bob, your mug is perfect. Gravity telling. I can't tell. Your whole week was. You need to see.
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Oh, here we go.
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I can't even. Spoiler alert. Bob said if I'm going to find it. If y' all does. She was at. Everyone was going wild. I just got to the Patreon when Monet's beginning. Watch Bob. He's just waiting to pounce on Monet. She makes a mistake and vice versa. Let me finish the whole thing. And vice versa. Gravity's so fine. Bob literally looks Like a doll. I can't wait for the next episode. Gravity's so cute. Bob is painted for the gods. All I can say is that I don't think everyone's. I mean, I've just been reading basically every single one I'm seeing. Oh, my God, the queens are fighting. The one about driving. You spend, like, half an hour arguing over whether or not you could get. You get arrested.
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Right.
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At the courthouse. And we found out that in some states you can get arrested.
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And what I was saying was, guys, look at your state laws and then make a conscious and smart decision for you. You were like, monet. No, everyone and every. I was like, guys, look up the laws in your state. That's all I was saying. You were just literally.
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You didn't say anything else interesting. Just like now. You said everyone. I've been reading every comment.
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Will you say everyone. Will you acknowledge your part in the driving episode, how mean and ass you were being?
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I think that I was speaking from a traumatic experience where I was almost arrested and I was trying to help protect people and say, just bring the money. I was saying, no matter what, just bring your method of payment in. Don't. What I was saying was don't chance it. Don't risk it. Don't bring your method of payment into the courtroom. When it's like, my thing was that
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some people do not have the money to. So instead of getting a warrant issue for your arrest because you're following Bob's advice and not going to. Because you.
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I didn't say don't go to court
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because you don't have the money.
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Wait, what are you thinking? I said, what are you thinking?
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I said you were saying that when you go to the courthouse, bring your money with you. So what is your resolve if you don't have the money?
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That's not my. That's not okay. It's not up to me.
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Okay, well, I'm saying. So you're telling go with the money. If you don't have money, what do you do?
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You ask the judge what they're gonna do if you don't.
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Exactly.
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But I was saying, if you have the money, go in with them and do not leave your method of payment in the car. Because there are some places, Columbus, Georgia, being one of them, where you cannot go to your car and they will arrest the fuck out of you.
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And what I was saying was just look up the law. Period.
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Sure.
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And you were like, no, just go with the money.
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Don't risk it.
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But look up the law.
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Sure. But also, don't risk it.
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But look up the law again.
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Sure, but don't risk it. Do not risk it. Just go look up the law and bring your money.
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So I'm correct.
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I did not say that.
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Look up. So you. So you're saying not. So you're advocating. So now I look up the law.
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I did not say that either.
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You're correct.
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So I'm correct.
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You are fabricating.
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So I'm correct.
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I also didn't say that. What I said.
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So what am I.
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Bring your bitch. What I was saying is bring your money into the courtroom because sometimes law does not bend in your favor. Sometimes the cops don't know the laws. Sometimes the judges don't know all the laws.
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This is true.
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But then they will this, that, and the other. Sometimes they can throw you in jail just because they felt like it.
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And then if you don't have the money. My point was look up the law before and so you can make it.
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I was just thinking about not having money. We're having different discussions. It's not about whether or not you have the money. If you have the money, you need
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to listen to that.
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What I'm saying is do not leave your method of payment in the car.
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That was the crux of our argument because you were saying Monet. But if you. But no, I wish we could listen to the episode again.
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You also know in a lot of places, if you don't have the money, they'll arrest you. Like, if you can't pay it in a lot of places, they'll be like, well, then if you can't pay it, then you just serve time. It's either money or time.
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In a lot of places, if you
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can't pay the ticket, they're like, then you'll just do that. But you can get on a payment plan some places.
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Yeah. So, and, but so again, again, you look it up in your state to see what the plan is.
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I'm not saying don't look up.
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No, no. But what I'm saying is. But that's what we're arguing right now. We're saying. We're saying in different places, what is the thing. And we don't know because there are so many different variables.
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No matter what, if you have the money, bring it to the courtroom. And I don't know why you're advocating against that.
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I'm not.
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So you're saying.
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I'm not advocating against that.
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So you're saying don't bring the money in. So you're saying don't bring the Money
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in if you can't afford it. No, don't bring it in. So you're saying, if you don't have it.
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No. So you're saying, if you have the money, don't bring it in if you don't have it.
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No.
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See, that's what you were doing.
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You were like, if you don't have it.
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No, that's what you were going like. Oh. So you said, don't look up the law. I did not say that.
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If you don't have the money, don't go with the money.
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Don't go. So don't go to court if you
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don't have the money. Look up the law if you do not have the money. Don't worry about that being the deciding factor. Whether to go to court or not was what was my view.
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And I also did not say, if you don't have money, don't go to court. I did not say that. I said, if you have the money. And I'm saying it now. If I didn't say it, I'm saying it now.
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Good.
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If you have the money, take your method of payment into the courtroom with you, because you are not always allowed to go back to your car in some places. Columbus, Georgia, 2004, they will arrest you.
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Yeah. So these are probably old. It's probably way different now.
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So you're saying, columbus, don't do it, then. Don't bring your method of payment.
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Did I say that? Did I say those words? Did I say those words?
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You didn't say those words. So can I have you say, if you have the method of payment, bring it to the courtroom? Can you say that? Yeah.
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And can.
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No, no, no. Say the words?
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No, I'm not going to say the words. Why?
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You just said you would say.
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What do you want me.
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You have the method of payment with you and you can afford it.
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Yes, and I said that.
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Say those words.
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And I said that. Yes. If you have the method of payment, bring it with you to the courthouse. Thank you. Yes, and I said that last time.
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I don't think you did.
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Yes, I did. I don't think you did. You are ridiculous, Bob.
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I don't think I'm ridiculous. I think that I'm trying to get people to be prepared. You're true. The justice system is not always fair.
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This is true. Nothing is ever fair in life. Many things are not always fair.
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Okay, you said two different things.
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Yeah. The justice system.
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You said nothing's ever fair.
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Many.
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I mean.
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I mean, but, you know, that's also very so I haven't the whole thing.
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She was like, all right, I'm just going to run in my car and grab the money. And they were like, no, you're not. And she was like, yeah, I'm just going to run in my car and get the money. And they're like, ma', am, you're under arrest. And she was like, excuse me. And they were like, get your black ass over here because you are fully 100%. And she was in jail for 30 fucking days.
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Okay, you see, that's on Georgia. Bullshit. Because also, Georgia is a fucked up state. They over here passing new voter suppression rights. They're. They arrested that representative for literally going to knock on the door because they were holding a closed meeting to change these laws. Georgia is fucked up. That's some weird Georgia shit.
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Wow. That's not a federal thing. First of all, Georgia saved the nation from Trump. Let's just get that clear. Clayton county for life.
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And now they fucking it up again.
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And let me just say this, Georgia has things to work on. But let me right now, y', all, I don't care what state you live in, when you go to court, have your method of payment on you. I don't know why Monet's like, leave the money. Who cares? It doesn't matter. I don't know the rules in every state. I never think you should have your money. When you go into the courtroom, do not run the risk of taking Monet's shitty advice. And your ass ended up in jail because you, like Monet said. And your defense is. Monet said it. On civil rivalry.
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I'm not saying if it's like your court date and you don't have the money, and if it's. If going to court and trying to speak to the judge to get some leniency, if the stakes are doing that or getting a warrant issued for your arrest because you didn't show up to court because you don't have the money going is the better option. As opposed to having a fucking warrant out for arrest. You at your goddamn job.
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I'm saying go, but have your method of payment on you.
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Because in Georgia, sometimes you don't have it. You can't afford it.
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I know. And they will arrest you.
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That is.
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That's the. There are famous cases you don't know where. That's the law. You don't know where these motherfuckers are listening. You don't know where these people listen to this podcast at you telling folks it'll find out. We were pausing before you Start talking.
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How do you work these androids?
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So I still say the same thing. If you have the. All I said was bring your method of payment with you to the courtroom.
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And my point was, if you and I. And I said. And I literally said, sure, but. And I said, sure, but if you don't have the money, you should still go to court. And you said.
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I didn't disagree with that.
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No, because then you literally butted. You said. You said, y', all, I'm telling you, don't listen to Monet's shitty advice. Let's see what she said. That is not shitty advice. That's not shitty advice.
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Cause I was. You're insinuate that I was saying don't go to court, which I never said.
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I didn't say. You said that. I said, sure, but y', all, if you can. If you don't have the money, you should still go. And you was like, y', all, I'm telling you, don't listen to one a shitty advice. Go with the money. So we were kind of saying the difference.
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There's a chance that I maybe misunderstood you in the passion of my trauma.
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Well, it wasn't even your trauma. It was your friends.
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It's not your trauma to claim first.
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Okay?
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You don't know what my experience is. I told you, I almost got arrested when I went to the judge, but what happened was the police officer wrote down all of the wrong charges. So you have to write down, like, failure to stop at a stop loss, right? And then it goes to the code 1, 2, 3. He wrote 1, 2, 2.
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But this was your friend's story you were telling, wasn't your story?
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No, you see, you didn't go that far enough. Cause I had an expression. I went down to the courthouse and I was like, I can't pay my bills because of all these things, and I can't pay because I don't have the money. I literally don't have the money. And the judge was like, well, this is your lucky day, because you're arrest officer, or your officer who wrote the citation, put down the road the wrong code, and he's not here to rebut it, so you just get to leave. But if you did not, he goes. Just so you know, that's not how court works. You cannot just show up and go, I don't have money. Let me free. He goes, you would have been arrested.
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You're just like an asshole.
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If the cop would have written down the right citation, you would have been
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under arrest in Georgia state work well, there you have it.
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So, anyway, I still say my point, and I just want to reiterate. If you get a citation, go to court. If you can afford it, if you have the money, show up with your method of payment in the courtroom. Do not, I repeat, do not leave your method of payment in the car. It will not work out for you.
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Yes, for sure. If you have the money and you want to go to court, you should absolutely do that and pay and don't leave in the car. But if you don't, you should still go.
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And I agree. You should always go to your court day.
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So we agree.
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Sure. Monari, no one's saying don't go to your court. Okay.
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And no one is saying to leave the money in the car if you have it with you. And I'm not saying that either. So we're both. We're on the same page.
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What page? You're on four. Yeah, I don't know what page you're on, bitch. On page four, I'm right at the table of contents. I'm still looking up in page one. You know the first words of the Bible? You know the first words of the Bible?
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No.
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Are you serious?
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Why are you shocked by that?
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Because you went to church.
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God created heaven.
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You sang in the church. Is your family religious?
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Yeah, I'm sure. My mom.
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And then you grew up in the church, and didn't you go to a school that was like church choir, courtier people?
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Yeah.
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And you do not know the first verse of the Bible?
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God created something. What is it?
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In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, Right? But it's not God. It's like the beginning of Moby Dick is in like. Y' all can call me Ishmael or something. You call me Ishmael. But anyway, I'm just gagging. You don't know. You know the last word in the Bible.
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The end.
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The King James version is amen.
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Oh, Work. Why you. You are so weird sometimes. You. You're someone who is so anti religion. You know so much about religion. Why do you care?
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I grew up in religion.
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Same. But I don't care to remember all that.
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Okay? Remembering isn't about caring. Monet.
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Yes, you. I def. Absolutely. Things that I care about I will remember better than things I don't give a fuck about. For example, I can tell you the color of what the fuck that bitch had on at. At. At that arcade we were at.
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Slam this table. Slam this table.
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But if I. But I can tell you everything you had on and tell you. Everything Jacob had on. I can tell you everything. Ezra, I don't care about what these other people were doing.
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Well, I mean, that's for you. Everyone's brain doesn't work off of what they care about. Sometimes it's just what imprints in your brain. You just remember stuff. You ever have something like, I don't know why I remember that, but I just remember.
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This is true. But you are more likely to remember things if you care about that experience or that person. You are.
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You are. Some people just remember things because they just happen to be a random thing they remember. My memory is. They're narrowing.
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Bob's worst nightmare.
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Listen, listen, bitch. My memory doesn't.
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All right?
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So we have to take a break. And after this, we have to be nice. We cannot be say, we cannot be mean. How are you going to do.
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You're going to fail in the first five minutes of this. Of this. When we come back.
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We'll see when we come back.
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Are there gonna be steaks?
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Ooh, Stakes.
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I don't wanna do stakes. Cause Monet never falls through. Whatever the stakes is.
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That is never falls through.
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That's true.
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Like, for example, both of our teams lost on T shirt on Legendary, so we had to do something.
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Okay, so why you throwing it on me? You like, oh, my God, Are we back?
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I don't even know we're back. You already got one to marry. It starts now.
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So, Bob, both of our teams failed on the TC when we did Legendary. So I don't quite understand why the onus is on me that I didn't fulfill my obligations when you were part of it as well.
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I did have a part in that. We never came to an agreement on what the stakes would be. Well, all we know is. Well, I think we said that we would both have to compete in a ball. We each get our own groups that would choreograph with our team. We'd have House of Exchange, House of the Drag Queen, and then we would have some ballroom people critique us.
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Well, Bob, I think that when we first started, we agreed on something, and you decided to change it later on. So there was something that was agreed upon, but you decided to not adhere to the decision that we made together.
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I don't know if I remember having liked that. I think you were asking. Because then I was like, I don't know that I agree with this little thing. And I think I have the right to change my mind at any point.
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Well, Bob, you literally. You said, your wish is for me, and I said, sure, I will do it.
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I don't think that's true.
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Yes, I don't think that's true. To wear your purse. First impressions. Wig. You said, if I. Then I have to wear your purse. First impressions. Yes, you did.
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We'd have to Hear the tapes for sure.
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Well, I'm telling you, that's what it was.
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Also, you owe me money from a couple of things. There was, like, a thing where, like, I. I remember there was a thing. If I ever beat you in smash, you'd give me some money, which I've never received. There were a couple other things along the lines.
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Yeah, even things on your part as well, that we. That I have won and you haven't ponied up.
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Like what?
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There was. You owe me $1,000 from something we did. I don't remember. Just like you don't remember Whatever.
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I remember one. And you admit that you're just not paying me well.
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Okay. Also. Also, you were just playing. I was not just playing, but being someone in smash. We have played, at this point, maybe thousands of Smash games. When I said that, it was. I was being hyperbolic.
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You were just playing.
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And I think that we have both engaged in being hyperbolic on this podcast. Yes or no?
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I would agree we both engaged hyperbole, but I think that you said out of your mouth and we shook, and you said that I would never beat you in smash, and if I did, you'd give me a certain amount of money. And I did beat you, and you never gave me the money. But like I said, you was just playing, but whenever it's time for you to pay up, you was just playing.
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But would you agree that you've also said such things about really big stakes? Stakes? Yes.
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I don't remember any of those.
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Okay, interesting.
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Do you remember any of them?
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I do remember.
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You name one.
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I can't remember off the top of my head. So you can't Maybe off the top of my head.
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I can't. So you don't remember any of them?
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Not right now.
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That's so interesting. I just remember mine. It was not a big deal. I think we should revisit some of our most intense arguments and see if we can be nice to each other in the process.
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Okay, let's do that, Bob.
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Okay, so let's talk about veganism. Have your thoughts on veganism changed?
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I don't remember what I was arguing about at that time, but I do think that, yes, some of my thoughts on veganism have changed.
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What do you think you were wrong about?
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I don't remember. I don't remember what I was arguing for.
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I think it was so long ago. I don't know. I remember now. Ooh. Oh, I remember. So what happened was we were discussing veganism, and I was saying that I think that not Being a vegan is unethical, even though I wasn't a vegan and I'm not a vegan, I think it's unethical. And then you kept jumping inclusion being like, so if you eat meat, you're just the nastiest, most disgusting gutter butt person ever.
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So would you say that you're morally bankrupt if you know that being not vegan is unethical, but you still engage in that behavior?
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No.
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Okay.
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I don't think. What?
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Jacob, you're a warning flag for being mean. How was I being mean? You said Monat was jumping to conclusions. And I don't think you were re. Summarizing everything in a. I think if Monet was jumping to conclusions, and I state out loud that Monet was jumping to conclusions to you. Yes. I'm talking about my experience. So, for example, if Monae hit me and I say out loud, monat hit me, I'm not being mean. I'm just stating what happened. So what I would say, I think that if you are not vegan, it's unethical to not be vegan. Then Monet said, so you think that if you eat meat, you're just the nastiest, meanest person. That is jumping to a conclusion. I think I'm calling out a thing that actually happened. That does not sound mean. Now, if I were to say something like, that kind of behavior is blank, blank, blank. I think that's me.
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Well, I will say when I said that when I was arguing saying that. Oh, so you think again. I think that it's something that we, as a unit of civil rivalry, engage in language like that pretty almost all the time.
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And I think it's fair to say if you're driving on the highway and you're speeding and the cops pull you over, it's not a defense to say everyone's speeding. That's not a defense. You were speeding and you were pulled over and you got caught. So it's not a defense to say, well, everyone's speeding.
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Well, breaking the law and having a podcast are two very different things. Two very different.
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For example, if there are children, and then you and Sean are both eating cookies, and then Jackie's like, who ate these cookies? You're like, well, you got caught. You'd be like, well, Sean was eating cookies, too.
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Yes, and then Sean would. And then Sean would also get in trouble.
B
But that does not vindicate you or alleviate you of the wrongdoing of eating cookies. You were eating cookies. Your defense seemed to be. But we were all Doing it.
C
Well, if we are talking about sitting rivalry podcast, that is the nature of this podcast. That is how this podcast, by engaging in that behavior quite often with each other. So if this is a building block of our podcast and I'm deciding to engage in that at that time, it is not strange or weird to do so.
B
I didn't say it was strange. I just said you did it.
C
Okay.
B
I didn't say it was weird. I didn't say it was out of play.
C
You did it very.
B
I didn't say it was odd.
C
And you did it many times during that conversation as well.
B
Okay, sure. That's not the point. What I'm saying is you did it. So me pointing out a thing that Monet did is not mean.
C
Oh, I didn't say it was mean.
B
I'm talking to her. Anyway, so in the veganism conversation, we were going back and forth and you were feeling a certain way about my words both times we had the veganism conversation. But you've changed since then.
C
Yeah.
B
Do you think I was right?
C
Well, give me two of your points about veganism that you said back then.
B
So like for example, you were just saying now, do I think you're morally bankrupt if you engage in behavior that you know is wrong?
C
No.
B
Bankrupt means there's nothing.
C
Yes.
B
Meaning you don't have morals.
C
You don't have any morals about veganism.
B
No. That means you are lacking a specific moral or you're not engaging in one specific moral. Does that mean you are bankrupt? Does that mean you do not have morals?
C
Okay, you are on your way to declare bankruptcy.
B
I don't think so. Morally. I think that if that's the case, then everyone's morally bankrupt because everyone in the world does something that they know is wrong. So based off that theory, everyone's morally bankrupt.
C
I mean, again, and I will say there is a spectrum of, okay, maybe bankrupt was too, too much of a word. But everyone is engaging in unethical behavior, particularly in veganism. Everyone who does consume meat is engaged who advocate for veganism. There is an ethical discrepancy.
B
Well, not everyone who eats meat thinks that it is morally wrong to do so.
C
No, I'm saying people who advocate for veganism. If you are a meat eating vegan advocate, then I think there is some type of disconnect in what you believe in to what you're doing.
B
I don't think you're morally ethically. I don't think you're more.
C
Yeah, not bankrupt. Not bankrupt. Yeah, but that was. You know what, Bob? You're Right. I should not have used the word bankrupt.
B
You don't get extra points.
C
Let's move on.
B
Oh, my God.
C
Okay.
B
Joel's. Wait, is it Joel? No, no.
C
Justin. J. J Sinti. Yeah. J. So Centi. So this is the argument where Bob of. So you had the number. Oh. A friend of mine wanted this illustrator's number, and Bob was the gatekeeper of this number. And Bob does not give people's numbers without gatekeeper.
B
That's an interesting choice of words.
C
Bob was the keeper of the phone number.
B
And then Bob, I have this person's
C
phone number, and I didn't. So between us, you were the keeper of the number. You had the number. You held this number.
B
This doesn't feel nice. This feels like a warning. Are we not issuing warnings in all directions? All right, go ahead.
C
You held the power of the number, so I asked you for the number. You said, monique, please. What is it? You told me to text you to remind you, and I forgot to text you and remind you. Then the next day you called me in a chastising like tone that's subjective. Well, to me.
B
And.
C
Yeah, and you're right. We're talking about my subjectivity. It was very not nice. And he said, monat, were you. Were you gonna call me to remind me to. So you were calling me to tell me I did not remind you to do the thing that you were doing. And I was like, you know what? Doesn't matter. I don't want it anymore. I don't care. And we got off the phone.
B
I think the story goes a little further than that, but I wanna hear your.
C
No, no, you got off the phone. And then we started a text exchange. And then that's when it all went fierce.
B
What happened in the text change?
C
I don't remember at this point. We were just going back and forth and I said something to you about your ego. What did I say?
B
So I'm so glad you asked me. So we got off of the. So what happened was we were playing a video game. We? Me, Jacob, and I think Mateo were all playing a video game. Or maybe it was Nick or someone and we're all playing a video game. And then I think Jacob was like, oh, don't forget to give Monet that guy's phone number. And then I said, well, he hasn't texted me back yet. And then I was like. And Monet never text me to remind me. Which is why I completely forgot. Monday never seems to remind me because I hadn't even text him yet.
C
But you just say he didn't get back to you yet.
E
He didn't get.
B
Because he didn't get caught. I hadn't reached out to him, so he had. I had not. I had not been given permission.
C
Got it.
B
I had not been given permission to give you his number. I forgot to reach out because when you text me, I was playing a video game, and then when Jacob reminded me we were playing a video game.
C
Right. No, I know. I told you at your house.
B
Oh, well, version. I hadn't. I was doing something and I couldn't. I forgot to do it. And I was like, just text me. Just text me, and I'll be more than happy to do it for you. And then Jacob was like, so then I text jsolcienty. And then I called you, and I was like, oh, you're not gonna remind me to reach out to that guy? And then you were like. And you. According to your. You were like, you know what, Bob? Actually, I've already figured it out, and I'm.
C
No, no, I didn't say anything like that.
B
I was like, it's actually. It's settled.
C
That's what I said.
B
Everything's wonderful.
C
That's not what I said. I said, you know what?
B
Whatever.
C
It doesn't matter. I don't want it. I'm okay. And then I got off the phone.
B
Yeah, but it was a little saucier than that.
C
Oh, yeah. No, it was. No, I said it like that. I was like, you know what, Bob? It doesn't matter. I don't need it. Whatever.
B
I'm reiterating. It was a little saucier than that.
C
It was literally that. Bob, first of all, I never speak to you unless we're playing around. I don't. Have I ever raised my voice to you when we were having a serious.
B
It's not about raising your voice. I don't raise. I don't. It's not about raising your voice.
C
Right. And so I said it like this.
B
You can be. I didn't.
C
Okay. How saucy.
B
I didn't say it was louder.
C
Okay. Do you mind demonstrating what I did.
B
I said it was saucy.
C
Okay.
B
Can you mind demonstrating what, for example, typically speaking. And I'm not saying I don't scream because I think as long as you know me, you seem to scream at me at one person.
C
You scream pretty often on this podcast. I wouldn't say scream, bitch.
A
What?
B
Bitch?
C
That is screaming.
B
You seem to scream at one person.
C
Me on this podcast.
B
No, the producer in Canada.
C
Yeah. And me.
B
Whoever screamed at. Anyway, so you were all like, you know what, Bob? This is not me being mean. Monet was like, you know what, Bob? Actually, as a matter of fact, I don't even care. I don't want anymore. Because if you're gonna be doing all that.
C
I don't want anymore. No, I don't even say. That's not even how I talk to you. That's not even how I talk to you. I know for. I know for. I would never even speak to you like that. That's not how I speak to you. I was like this. I was like, bobby, Noah, it doesn't matter. I don't need it. Whatever.
B
And now, that sauce. If you said it before.
C
No, that is not.
B
Every time.
C
Y' all listening.
B
That is the same. You're adding a little more pesto sauce every time.
C
That's exactly how I said it.
B
There's now more sauce than pasta. So I text you back, and I was like, monet, I just. All I asked that you do was that you just text me to remind me. And you said you do it, and you did. I'm just asking you if you will remind me.
C
And I forgot, which is why I didn't. I was. There was. I think, in your mind, you had this vendetta that I just did not text you. Cause I was just trying to be extra.
B
That's an assumption, but I think it's
C
probably a pretty accurate one.
B
That didn't feel nice.
C
Can we.
B
I could have a red flag. Okay. So at this point, I am like, well, you know. And then Monet goes, bob, this is just some.
C
You know what?
B
I'm so glad that my phone saves every text message. I don't even need to guess.
C
Oh, I have it, too, baby.
B
I don't even need to guess.
C
What? I don't even know what year this was.
B
Do a dramatic reading. Can you do a dramatic reading of. Search the word ego.
C
Did it come up? Okay, bring it up so we can read it.
B
We have to read each other.
C
Yeah. I want to read your part.
B
Who's reading who?
C
I'm reading.
B
You're going to be. You'll be using.
C
So where are we starting?
B
I think it's there.
C
Okay.
B
This is April 21, 2020.
C
You start.
B
It's you. You have to start. You. The first one. Oh, no, they're right.
C
It's your phone. Call me.
B
So. So you really aren't gonna text me? Oh, this. Oh, this is.
C
Oh.
A
Oh, yeah.
B
This is later.
C
This is later.
B
So it actually starts. It actually starts at 11:29. It starts at 11:39. That was the early thing we spoke on earlier.
C
No, no, no, no. I had called. No, I had told you to call. Oh, yeah.
B
This is early. So it starts here. So you really aren't gonna text me? Wow.
C
There we go. There we go. That's what it was.
B
Uh huh.
C
Uh hu.
B
I was playing around.
C
No, this is not playing around, Bob. I know this is not. I was playing.
B
I was playing.
C
You are not playing around.
B
I was paying attention.
C
Okay, let's start again. I want to get it.
B
I want to get in there. I can't wait till you. So you really are going to text me? That was 1139, 1141. Because money has not.
C
No, no, no, no. We're just reading the scene.
B
Wow. Pride will be your downfall.
C
I was. I will never forget. I was painting for exchange rate and I was like, what is going on? Uh huh. Uh huh. You are crying. Oh my God.
B
Oh my God.
C
Huh huh. Wow. Pride will be your downfall. I was like, oh my God. What the fuck? I will never forget that. I was like, this escalated so quickly.
B
So funny. All right, now you read. Oh, this now. I was kidding. No you are not.
C
No, you were not.
A
Yes.
B
So thanks.
C
I know you. The only person I know better than me is you. Okay, bitch. Read your response and I said, you have some nerve. You know what I would like you to help me out with and you're choosing not to for your own weird ego thing.
B
At this point, I send Monet the number because Joe has now sent me the phone number, to which Monet responds,
C
send it or not, bitch. Thank you.
B
Wow. Send it or not, bitch. I have now sent it and I said it's not an ego thing. I just asked you to remind me. No, it's not an ego. I just asked you to help remind me and you simply refuse. It's weird. I didn't ask you to build a bridge, just send a reminder.
C
But you didn't need a reminder. You're just being extra, Bob.
B
And I think, okay, let me just take a break. I did need a reminder because I completely forgot. Jacob reminded me at that point. I text him and I called you simultaneously, but you had the number. I did not have a number. But I didn't have permission. I did not have permission to give you the number.
C
So once you sent me the thing that should have been it, but you're
B
the one that kept going bitch.
C
We say bitch all the time.
B
Oh, so you were kidding when you said send it or not, bitch. You were joking, but I couldn't Be joking. Keep reading.
C
When you ask me to do something, I don't give you caveats. I don't give you stipulations. I just. Ellipse. Ellipse. Ellipse. I just do it.
B
They're called ellipses.
C
I know. I know. I was. Yes. And. Which is a fact. Bob. You actually. I will do. You bitch. I have done things with you that
B
I just called her a. That's not a red. That's a point. That's a full on point. That's not a red flag. That is a point.
C
I do them sometimes to my detriment. I'm like,
B
do I not do that for you?
C
You're in the number.
B
The moment he gave me permission to send you the number, I sent it to you. Is that true or is that not true?
C
Yeah.
B
So I was not. I was not hoarding. There was this thing. You were accusing me of hoarding the number.
C
I never accused you. I never accuse you of hoarding.
B
I apologize. You didn't say that.
C
No, I apologize earlier. So that should be a zero for me.
B
You did accuse. No, we're not taking back. You did accuse me of having some sort of an ego.
C
You accused me of a bride being my downfall.
B
And I said. And you really. And I said, and you really think you're not.
C
Most times without question.
B
I didn't question you. I didn't ask for anything in return. I just said, text me a reminder. And on principle, you chose not to do it, girl.
C
Whatever.
A
Mm.
B
The dismissal. The dismissal. This is a weird hill to die on.
C
I'm alive.
B
And so. You are being so petty. You are being so petty.
C
I'm alive.
B
This is a Real Housewives shit. I'm not mad, baby. I'm alive and well.
C
I'm living.
B
I'm alive, baby. Who's dying? Who's dead, honey?
C
I'm alive and well. I generally don't care to. Oh, I gen. I probably mean genuinely. I generally don't care to argue about this. It's literally not worth it. Genuinely.
A
Yeah.
C
Oh, my God. You are still going.
B
Most folks would be like, I would like for you to. I would like for you to reach out to someone and get a contact from me. And all you want, want. And all you want is for me to text the number as a reminder and say thanks and move on.
C
I am not talking about this.
B
I sent you the number and you chose to argue. How did you. How I did you wrong instead of just saying thanks. You.
C
You clearly can't slash choosing not to read.
B
Then when I start sending petty screen grabs.
C
What did I circle, send it or not, bitch? Thank you. I don't know why I said you that.
B
Because you said thank you and I said some people say thank you.
C
Oh, got it, got it, got it.
B
And then we both start. We both start engaging in screen grabs and.
C
But can you, you know, you screen
B
grab, you circle one word.
C
Can you admit that what was the escalating factor was pride will be your downfall. That was. That was a.
B
That escalated thing. And what escalated for me was you saying, this is your ego.
C
Well, that was after you. The pride thing. The pride thing.
B
I was joking. We were. I was.
C
We just called her a bitch. Thank you. I'm one for you. Yes.
B
You just called her a bitch. Maria, you called mom a bitch.
C
Twen just now.
B
You are losing this game.
C
We were going like this girl. We were on. We were on the. It took us a write up.
B
I think that tone is hard to infer in text. And I was joking. You know, I want to apologize to you because I would never want to hurt your feelings, ever.
C
My feelings don't hurt. I'm not mad. I'm a liar. I'm a mad.
B
Did your friend ever get something dropped by Joe?
C
No. She didn't even contact him.
B
We should have Joe on the podcast. We should talk about the. Cause Joe was apparently getting, like, emails and letters.
C
Oh, he. I. He. Yeah, he is. Cause we. His Instagram is popping. He's beautiful.
B
Because we argued. Because his phone number almost ruined our friendship. I think I met Joe at, like, a film festival. He had a film where Amanda Lepore was a mermaid. Amanda Lepore voiced this mermaid. And then he was like, if you ever need something drawn, let me know.
C
Anyway, work.
B
Animated.
C
And he also. The heated cracker is animation for him?
B
Yeah, For Ryuie. The Jew thing.
C
Yeah.
B
Ooh, girl. Jozo. Cynthia almost ruined our friendship.
C
Like this bitch. Kesha. Although that one was a movie. We weren't arguing.
B
No, I don't think we were arguing. I think that was more a fun, passionate conversation. Monet, why don't you wait. Oh, let's do this one.
C
Monet, why don't you invite Baldin? You're the girl. Oh, my God. So I do not. Okay. When I first moved to la, you were still in the dark about many. About me living here. So a lot of those things, colorism. A lot of those things were because you did not know I was in California. And then you found out about it afterwards. You're like, why didn't I know? And every time we talk. I tried to tell you. You did not know I was living in la. I was still trying to surprise you.
B
What about Kim's super secret dinner, birthday dinner last night?
C
Oh, my God.
B
What about it?
C
It's not my birthday. Also, you were and I spoke to Kim and Kim said you were invited.
B
I was absolutely not.
C
Well, it's not.
B
Call her. I have proof through text. I was absolutely. The last text I got from Kimberly Cheese was her sending me the location of this thing.
C
There it is.
B
It's a huge arcade. Your boyfriends can come and whoever you want to bring, and they are saying, where are you? I did not receive an invite to this dinner.
C
Well, it's not my dinner. It wasn't my birthday. I was invited. I came. And then when I went there, I was like, so do you remember when
B
we went to the producers and the creators of We're His House and it wasn't my party and it wasn't my thing, but I found a way to get you invited.
C
Do you remember that?
B
It was just last night. So it wasn't my party, it wasn't my home, and I reached out and said, can my dear friend Monet X change please come?
C
So you want me to go to the person's birthday party and get me invited?
B
Yes. You supposed to be Ride or die.
C
I told you I'm not Ride or die, bitch. I bitch. I told you. And I did ask. I did ask Kim. She said, Bob is invited, he could come, so.
B
But I didn't get invited.
C
She said she did. I'm not aware of the goings and comings of you and Kimberly's relationship, but she said you were invited.
B
I mean, I don't even want to talk about the biggest issue. I'm just going to show everyone what?
C
Oh, so now you're making my face fat on purpose.
B
If you are not watching, that means you are probably watching on YouTube. You can join the Patreon and see what I just showed. It is the infamous sweater.
C
And. And again, I want to reiterate, I. I like the sweater a lot.
B
And I want to ask you a simple question. When I say, can you just post a picture of you wearing it and you refuse. By the way, I'm not alone on this.
C
You have changed the story so many times. First it was just Monet. I'm not asking you to post it. You literally just said, you want me to post it. Then last episode you said, I don't want you to post it. Just wanted you to send me a picture of it.
B
And you haven't done any of those. Right.
C
But you see it. Right. So why do you need to.
B
I know it exists, so why do
C
you need to have a picture of it?
B
Because I want to know that you're wearing it. The question is, have you sent me a picture of it? Have you.
C
No.
B
Have you worn it out in public?
C
Yes.
B
I'll just have to take your word for it, because I believe you, because you're my friend, and why would you lie to me?
D
Right?
C
I would never lie to you.
B
You would never lie to me. And I was saying. And a lot of people online were like, wow, Bob really went through a lot of effort and time to get you this gift that he put a lot of thought into, and all he wants is a picture of you wearing it. And you re. Are you.
C
Did you refuse to say no? I just did. You know what? I didn't refuse. I just didn't find the time to wear it to take a picture for you. And also, I live alone, so it's hard to get a picture taken.
B
Well, you can find pictures of you scratching your hat and nudes across the entire. We could do it right now.
C
We can do it right now. I'll be too hot if they put that cardigan on me.
B
And this is mean. This is a demerit. You are doing a thing. You're intentionally choosing not to let me see you wear this. And you know it's true, which is why you're not saying anything. And by the way, I'm not on Lonely Island. But everyone is like Monet. Have you seen people like Monet?
C
Just where is this Lonely island thing from? Why do you say that? You said this in season eight. What is Lonely Island?
B
Lonely Island. Like, you're by yourself, but it's like
C
a reference to something or just that you just made up?
B
I don't know that. I don't know that I made it up, but I think Lonely island is a common phrase.
C
You said it on season eight of Draggers. Do you know this?
B
Yeah, I remember. Am I on Lonely island or am I in Manhattan? I said, am I on Staten island or am I in Manhattan? Manhattan.
C
You said Lonely island first.
B
Yeah, I know. I said, am I on Lonely Island? Am I living in Staten island, or am I in Manhattan right now? Lonely island is an expression. I mean, they're like a group called the Lonely island, so it's a popular expression.
C
Got it.
B
But again, I'm not on Lonely Island. You are in this one. And a lot of people are like, monet, just wear the Jacket. And I think it is mean to not mean.
C
Yes, mean.
B
My feelings were hurt. They are still hurt.
C
They're not.
E
They are.
B
I really put a lot of thought into this jacket. I put so much thought and care. And I was remember thinking to myself, she's gonna love this. This is gonna be, like, such a. Like, I was, like, so excited about, like, getting it to you. And, like, I drove all the way to Brooklyn to get it.
C
All the way?
B
Yeah, by Uber. I didn't have a car at the time, so it was like 140 bucks to get to and from Brooklyn.
C
Something tells you you can afford it.
B
That's not the point. That's not the point.
C
You know what? I drove my. I rode my city bike from my house to 5th Avenue and 47th street to get you that ring. And so it tells me you have
B
the energy to do it.
C
And that doesn't change. I did not. I was so tired.
B
And it doesn't change that you did it. It doesn't matter whether or not you have the energy and can. Doesn't change that you did. And I really appreciate that.
C
So when I appreciate you going to Brooklyn to get this, so.
B
But that's why I wear it. You see me with the ring. I send you pictures of me wearing them. I go, look, I'm wearing your blah, blah, blah. I'm wearing your earrings. I'm wearing your ring. I send you pictures. I'm like, I want you to see me enjoying these things. I'm literally begging, literally begging you to take one picture of yourself wearing this jacket. Or just put it on in my presence. And you literally refuse to.
C
Okay, I'll put it on next time you're here.
B
Next time I'm here right now.
C
What? You wearing it? I can't wear it. It's too hot.
B
See, this is mean. You are being mean. You're intentionally doing this to antagonize me. This is another point. You are being mean.
C
You don't decide who gets what point.
B
Who decides?
C
Jacob, he's doing the.
B
Is this a point or not? I mean, we can find a way to make you wear it if you're
C
thinking, okay, I mean, the air's on.
B
You turn the air on when I turn my back for you.
C
My thing is that I don't want to be bullied to it. I will wear it in my own time.
B
I'm not bullying. I was begging.
C
That's bullying someone. Bullying is not just being forceful. There are other ways to bully someone, and this is a part of bullying. You're Bullying me into wearing something and I will wear it in my own time.
B
I'm just gonna look up the word, the definition of the word bullying Now. Now, bullying, definition. Let's see. Bullying is to seek to harm.
C
What's the second word?
B
Intimidate or coerce. Someone perceived. Someone perceived as vulnerable.
C
I am the most vulnerable person in this podcast.
B
What makes you vulnerable?
C
I think you're strong, intimidating. I was asking you, are you by this vulnerable? I am vulnerable. You have put this information for millions of people to consume, and now everyone is bullying me on Twitter, on Instagram, dm.
B
To wear a sweater.
C
To wear a sweater. To wear a sweater, that's bullying. To wear a sweater, it's bullying. So will you acknowledge any part of your behavior who has forced thousands, tens of thousands of people to bully you?
B
You think I forced people to bully you?
C
Not forced, but you are.
B
Okay, okay.
C
Not forced, but you have. Are you acknowledging your part in behavior of people DMing me and tweeting at me and being very intimidating and trying to coerce me to wear this cardigan? Will you acknowledge your part in that?
B
I think that.
C
Well, you know. Will you acknowledge your part in that?
B
I'm telling you my part. I think that my part was. I just said out loud what happened and how I was feeling, and then people came to their own conclusion. I did not encourage. I did not. Well, that's not true. Yes, I did ask people, should Monet wear the sweater.
C
I listened to the podcast two day driving back several times.
B
And you still don't want to wear
C
the sweater because you're forgetting how you're bullying me.
B
So you admit that you just don't want to wear it out of spot.
C
Because I feel very bullied. To quote Laganja Estranga, I feel very attacked.
B
But you just don't want to wear my sweater.
C
Because I feel very attacked and bullied.
B
We'll take a break after this. You're losing the game, by the way.
C
I'm not losing the game.
B
Yes, you are. You have two marks calling me out of my name.
E
Twice.
C
Twice.
D
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We're back. I don't. I. I don't think I have the emotional bandwidth to discuss this sweater because I'm telling you that my feelings are hurt because you won't wear it and you don't believe me.
C
I do. I believe you.
B
Just don'.
C
I believe you. But a lot of this is because I've been bullied.
B
So you told me the first time I asked you to wear it that was because you've been bullied.
C
No, I generally didn't have that. I just. I was. I didn't have it on me in my person. Like, it was probably packed away. I wanted. My initial plan was to wear it in drag and belt it with a black leotard. I was saving to wear for that look, and that didn't happen.
A
You're.
B
Put a belt over the face.
C
Just like a. Just a belt right over the face, over the eyes. So it kind of looks like I'm like, you know, you can't wear the
B
belt over your titties.
C
No, the eyes are. The eyes are down here.
B
Are they?
C
Yes.
B
Oh, I just think it's kind of strange to put a belt over the jacket.
C
It seems odd to wear it in drag to give you a silhouette over the eyes.
B
Monet. Like putting a belt over the main feature of the garment. But there's a belt. You can't see the thing.
C
Yeah, you can.
B
Anyway, I just think, oh, my God. Can you acknowledge that A lot of people are like, Monet, why don't you just. A lot of people are like, I really see it Bob's way. I would be upset if I really put, like, so much thought passion into an idea, and a person just won't even give you the. I can't speak very well. I know that when I give someone something, it's cause I want to see them use it or have it or enjoy it or just know that they're at least using it. It's like the fucking shoe situation all over again.
C
Well, you know, I think. I acknowledge that, and I think that you have maybe have not realized your part in the bullying that has ensued on my part. And what. I have to deal daily because of your feelings about the sweater. But, you know, I have also purchased gifts for you that you have not necessarily utilized. And like, what? That's fine. Those glasses that we all put the money in, that I put the majority
B
of the money in, I use those glasses.
C
I Have never seen you use those glasses besides the first day that we gave them to you. And you know that's okay because you know. Cause I gave you that gift. I'm not. I don't have any expectations, any stipulations. I gave that gift to you freely, and you do with it what you will.
B
So here's the thing. So the first day I gave you the sweater, you didn't put it on. I've literally never seen you wear this sweater.
C
Literally.
B
Not once. Not even a.
C
Well, I have worn it. People have seen me wear the sweater.
B
Not even a single solitary time have I ever seen you wear the sweater. The first day he gave me the glasses, I wore them. I wore them again.
C
You wore them for about 10 minutes.
B
That's not true. We can call it to hell. I wore them again several times after that. I wore them in Berkeley when I went out. When I go out in the sun. So I. I have worn them before.
C
What? I have worn your cardigan around my home. Dwan has seen it. K has probably seen it. I've worn my desperate around my home.
B
So if you called the one right now, he would confront.
C
I mean, he probably doesn't remember.
B
That's not the question. The question is, if I called him that, would he confirm that?
C
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
B
Just a statement piece. Like, I think if I called someone and said, do you remember the time I wore that sweater? They had my face on the back. They'd be like, oh, yeah, I remember that sweater.
C
I mean, you can try. I don't know if they'll remember.
B
Let's. I'm gonna call one person and say they remember when I wore this sweater. Then you'll try, because it's like a. It's a pretty bold piece. We're calling Eureka o'.
C
Hara. Okay, well, that's different.
B
Different if she remembers a sweater that I wore.
C
That is so weird. I was just thinking about you.
B
Well, before you say anything, you're on speakerphone and I'm on the podcast.
C
Huh?
B
Before you say anything, you're on speakerphone with me, Monet, and I'm on the podcast.
C
Oh, okay. That's so weird. I was just thinking about you and Monet.
B
This is so weird. So I have. I have a really quick question. Do you ever remember me wearing that one sweater I had that had my face on the back?
C
Yes.
B
Oh, okay. I just want to know. I just want to know if you remembered it, because I like it. It's like A bold statement piece. I just want to know if you remember me wearing it.
C
Okay.
B
Do you remember, like, where I may have worn it?
C
To what?
B
Do you remember where I may have worn it? Like, where you saw me wearing it?
C
The sweater?
B
Yeah, with. With my face on the back. Eureka. Just for context, he's trying to prove a point to Monet that the sweater is memorable. So he's calling people to see if they remember the sweater.
A
Sweater.
B
So this has to do with the sweater and it has nothing to do, like, with anything you were doing? Just so you know. Yeah.
C
Thank you to the white lady in the room. Thank you. That's so sweet.
B
And I speak to each other.
C
I. The sweater on tour.
B
She has no idea she remember. But she. But you. But you remember.
C
You know what I'm also getting it confused with is your jacket that said queen on one.
A
Here.
B
Work well. But. But you do. But you do remember the sweater, though?
C
The sweater with your giant face on it?
B
Yes, that's the one.
C
It's terrifying.
B
Work well.
C
Perfectly remember it well. Yes.
B
You prove my point. Thank you so much, Ricky. Have a good day. Okay. I love you so much. I'll call you later.
C
Oh, that's all I got. Okay, love you. Love you too.
B
All right, let's call to Sean and
C
see if he remembers. Wow. His name is Dwan Duan or.
B
Come on, Mika. Did you text him ahead of time? Can I see the text?
C
Oh, my God. Duan, this is Monet X Change about the dragon. You are on speakerphone. You're on the podcast. What's going on, guys? What's up, Dwan? Have you do you around my house? Do you remember? Do you ever remember me wearing that black cardigan with my face on the back of it? No black cardigan face on the back of it.
B
Oh, thank you so much, Dwan. Thank you so much. That was really all we needed. Thank you so much, Dan. That was interesting. You want to try? Do you want to try?
C
Kamika hasn't been house in, like two years.
B
But you said she saw it.
C
I thought maybe. I can't remember who's been on my house when. But K has been at my house in about two years, so it wouldn't line up. It's like you get to me in 20.
B
20, 20. But you said earlier that Kamika would.
C
Okay, I don't. Arcia or Kamika.
B
I don't remember. You have Arcia's number two.
C
I gotta go out and see him
B
because you have nothing. There's nothing karabi that you actually ever Wore on the sweater.
C
I'm not gonna bear. I know I've worn your sweater. I know you reached rca, Stokes.
B
Unfortunately, I'm unavailable. You think anyone else Me. I've seen you wear this sweater.
C
No, I not.
B
That's just so interesting to me. That is very interesting to me to
C
be on your sweater. Many times it's been on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. I've seen that Twitter a lot.
B
I'm saying people remember it.
C
Anyways, let's move on. What is your biggest pet peeve about me?
B
I don't really know. I don't really think I have a real pet peeve from you. And I've really thought about this before because I think we asked each other before and I think I remember saying something, but I feel like I may have just chosen something in the moment. I don't like when you. I'm trying to think maybe when you. Honestly, I can't think of it. I really enjoy your company. I think that sometimes you.
C
I know you're pet peeve about me. What you hate when I tell you I'm gonna come over and I don't come over.
B
Oh, that's. That is upsetting. When you.
C
When you.
B
Because I'm like waiting up for you and you just don't come and I'm like, literally just waiting up. Or when you sit. When you say, hey, I'm gonna call you, I'm like, monet, I'm gonna call you. Please answer the phone. And you don't answer the phone and you don't call back. And then you're like, I was just like skipping. Okay, I apologize. That was.
C
Would you say this is a time where we have engaged in hyperbolic activity on this podcast?
B
Yes. And I think that we often engage in hyperbole. That does not. Again, I don't wanna say that you. You engaging in hyperbole is rare, odd or strange. I'm just pointing out when it happens.
C
And in those situations, we are both busy, we both do things. And sometimes, you know, I have the worst memory that ever. And I do often forget, but sometimes
B
I forget to wear sweaters.
C
It's similar to you when I call you sometimes, and I will call you twice in a row, you don't answer the phone and I'll text you. And then three days later I'll be like, bobby, give me a message. Like, monet, I'm busy. When we're here, I'm working girl. And I'm always like, okay, that's not true.
B
The reason why. That's not the reason why? That's not the same thing. Because the difference between texting someone calling someone like them, not seeing the text versus saying me, we are both on the phone. I say, when I'm gonna call you in literally a minute, please answer the phone. And when I says, I will do that, I call you back and you don't answer. Or the other day when we were supposed to play video games games at 7 o'. Clock.
C
7 o'. Clock. Okay, but you know why I can answer the phone. So don't act brand new like, okay, and then. But you know, why don't you bring
B
that part in you? Because then there was an. Then we rescheduled for 9 o'. Clock. And then Monet then let me tell you, I was like, monae, we're gonna play video games at 9 o'. Clock. Monet calls me and then I say, I'm on the phone with my mom. I will call you back.
C
Right, right back.
B
And right.
C
And then it was like an I.
B
Cause we can double check. Oh, yeah, that was the text. I promised I'll call you afterwards. Not I'll call you right back.
C
I said, no, no, I said, call
B
me talking to my mother.
C
I said, kk, call me when you're done. Also tell. I said, hi. Did you. Did you tell I said hi?
B
Yes. And. But I did not say call. I did not say, I call you right back. I said talking to my mother. So you just. So you just made a blank.
C
Okay, okay. Then I, you know, I apologize. I did not say I'll write back. You're right, I did. But. And then it was like an hour and 10 minutes later and I was very tired and I fell asleep.
B
Must be nice. So then I text you and said, call me at 10 o'.
A
Clock.
B
At 1 12:52, I fell asleep. Monet says, I did.
C
I was very tired. Same.
B
And I stayed up to hang out with you. I just stayed up just to hang out with you and play video games. So, so whenever I, Whenever you don't think it's a little bit rude to tell someone you're gonna do something, just don't do it.
C
Yeah. Okay. When in those situations and I. They normally work related. We can agree with that. It would be like a podcast or a zoom or something. And then we.
B
I would know. I think that typically when we. And we're meeting for work stuff, both of us almost always work.
C
No, no, no.
B
Every single time.
C
The reason why, oftentimes the reason why one of us doesn't is because of a work thing.
B
Oh, you're saying?
C
Okay.
B
Cause I'm. I mean, I don't know why you're not making this stuff.
C
What?
B
I don't know why you're not making this stuff. This, this, this dates back to you and me before either one of us was busy. We were just hoes bopping around New York City.
C
No, I was busy. I had a full time job.
B
You? Me too. I was a full time drag queen.
C
Yeah, I was. But I had like a full time corporate job where I had to be at work.
B
Was yours more important than mine? I was doing eight shows, but I
C
was putting more time in than you.
B
That's not true. I was doing eight shows a week. I was working over.
C
I was working like 12 hour days. 5 days a week.
B
12 hours a day.
C
What's 12 times 5 hours? 60 hours. I was working 60. Were you working 60 hours in drag a week?
B
Yes. You weren't? Absolutely. Okay, let's just break down my work hours. Monday nights, I would be at the bar by midnight. I started getting. It takes me an hour to get to the club, so I leave.
C
You don't count your time. Okay, so then if we count the time to and from work, it was two hours each way. Well, hour and a half. So that's. So we're adding three hours. So 15 hours a day. Super.
B
You're a lot of that. It also takes two hours for me to get ready for work. So if I'm leaving at 11, I'm actually starting it ready at 9 o'. Clock. So 9, 10, 11, 12. It's already four hours. I'm already.
C
No, 9 to 10 is 1. 11, 12. That's three hours, baby.
B
9 to 10. 10 to 11, 11 to 12.
C
Three.
B
Okay, three. I apologize. I'm so sorry. I was educated in Atlanta public schools.
C
We can skip all this. And then you get to.
B
Then I get to the club and the show starts at midnight. My show. And I'd be done. I wouldn't leave the bar until it was closed at 4:00'. Clock. Every single time. Okay, so from nine to four. From nine to four, that's eight hours.
C
I mean, that's seven hours.
B
Yes. And then the ride home.
C
An hour.
B
Okay, that's an eight hour workday.
C
Okay, eight hours.
B
But I was working 15 hours a day then. Cause I'm not done yet. I would make my clothes during the day.
C
Not every day.
B
Often.
C
Sometimes.
B
I was working on my drag every single day. Day.
C
I was there. And I. And I know that I was there more than you though.
B
So I was working on My drink every single day, all that sewing. That is work, that is credit.
C
And the leotard that you make in 45 minutes.
B
Okay, I wasn't just wearing this. Red flag. It's not like you're. Because I was making more than leotards. I was making the. The hideous prom dress you all hated. I was making outfits for you. I was making gals. I was making cats. I was making dresses. I'm making a lot of. A lot of garments, not just leotards that I made in 45 minutes. That seemed like. Like that was diminishing my work. And there were some nights where I did two shows a night, so I. I was working.
C
Not as much as me.
B
I mean, I can't confirm how many hours a week you work, but I can't affirm how many hours working. And it was a lot. I was working a lot.
C
Would you say it was more than. Than me?
B
Probably. It could have been. You think? It couldn't have possibly have been.
C
No.
B
Because the truth is, I had more weekly shows than you did.
C
But we don't want time. When we were. No, not necessarily.
B
When we were both. Before Drag Race, I definitely had more
C
shows than you had Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. You were off on. Well, you queen sometimes.
B
No, no, no. I did two shows on. I did two shows on Thursdays, I was Boots and Queens. And on Sundays, I also did two shows. I did shows every day. Excep and Saturday. Are we going to pause for you to pet the cat?
C
Okay, let's move on from here.
B
Well, you think you're the biggest pet peeve about me?
C
I don't really. I don't think I have a pet peeve about you.
B
I don't know. I don't think me. Not. Like, we don't show up as a pet peeve. It's just. I just don't like that you. That you do that. It's upsetting setting, and it feels like you just combat. I mean, I feel like pet peeves are like, you leave the dishes out. That feels like a pet peeve. Like a pet peeve. But I don't. And I also don't think pet peeves are really that big. Like, they're not that big of a deal. I'm like, pet peeves.
C
Do you have a great eyelash?
B
Probably this podcast, trust me, it's probably your cat, who's, by the way, not hairless. I'm convinced someone just shaved a cat and sold it to you because your cat's covered in hair. Covered in hair.
C
You're not Covered in hair.
B
She's covered in here. Can you get arrested at court? We already did that one. Do you need to finish all your antibiotics?
C
Yes. I was wrong on that episode. You should finish all antibiotics.
B
You know, I've actually been thinking a lot about. I found out that I have some anti vaxxers in my family.
C
Really?
B
I don't mean just like the vaccine, like Pfizer, Moderna Johnson, just in life,
C
black people, a lot of black people do not trust the government, which is
B
so valid to not trust the government. But not trusting the vaccines is wild. It is dangerous, can kill people, can alienate your children to not get them vaccinated. It can make them a social pariah. And there are people in my family who are like, I'm just not going to do vaccines. I'm like.
C
Which is so crazy because you remember as kids we used to have those. I don't know about you all, but in St. Lucia we had these immunization cards and every year you had to get your immunization cards filled with like measles, smallpox, all this stuff. So if the government was trying to get us baby, they had ample opportunity, space and time.
B
And not only that, but my. It's just really just been upsetting me in general to hear that people in my family are like, don't get the vaccine. Which is super odd because my grandma had polio and her legs were crippled from the polio. There are a lot of people in my family who are at risk. My mom, my aunt Hazel. Did your mom get it? The vaccine? Yeah, of course. My mom. My mom is not one. Oh no, my mom is not one of the anti vaccine people. Martha Caldwell is like, I mean, science has kept my mother alive for the past 10 years. My mother's not one of the folks. Like, I don't trust them doctors. She's like, thank God my doctors helped keep me alive. I'd be dead right now if it wasn't for my doctors. And it just seems, I mean, I don't understand the people online who would take medical advice from like some nut job living in the woods, who's talking about what they read on QAnon or Facebook or Twitter or Reddit versus listening to a medical professional who's gone to. To school to study medicine.
C
Do you know there are. I lost my train of thought. Anyway, get vaccinated, y' all get the vaccine. I have two. My, two of my people I work with in my music. They're like, I'm not getting that shit. I know, but you know, Tuskegee what they're doing to women at the border, sterilizing them without their knowledge. I mean, I again, I get why people would be trepidation about the government because they do shady shit all the time.
B
Time.
C
But this is.
B
What would the government gain?
C
Who knows? Well, they have a whole. There's a whole conspiracy about that. How in black and brown neighborhoods they give us different. Like it's moderna, but it's like a different moderna. They have like all these conspiracies that in like certain communities and neighborhoods and areas, they get the different type of the vaccine.
B
And can we both say emphatically on this podcast that we don't believe that?
C
Oh, I do not believe that at all.
B
And this is the kind of stuff that in my opinion, opinion keeps the black community at a disadvantage because we spread information like this. So then people in the pulpit at church are yelling about how vaccines are microchipped and how they're trying to get us and how it's poison and how it's seeping into our brains and all that stuff. And I'm like, wow, this is very dangerous rhetoric for the black community. Again, I want to say out loud that having suspicions is that. But I think that not getting the vaccine is genuinely dangerous. And especially choosing to not get your children vaccinated because they don't have a choice.
C
They don't have a choice. They have to do what you tell them to do. And so little Tyree or little Cindy can't leave the house and go get a fucking vaccine. Like, you need to do it for them. So it is not fair to them and their life and their well being and their existence.
B
It just doesn't make sense. Sense. It just does not make sense.
C
Just listen to.
B
If you're gonna listen to anyone, only listen to medical scientists.
C
I remember when people said that Dr. Fauci started it. He birthed Covid in his. In his fucking.
B
And why? Why? Let's talk about after the break.
C
No, that's it. We're at the end of the podcast.
B
We're at an hour. I mean, you can keep going if you want to. Oh, that's a wrap.
C
That's a wrap, bitch.
B
We made it through pretty much everything.
C
We did. So I think that we both.
B
I think you lost. You called me a bitch twice to Jacob.
C
And also you were like literally pushing your own agenda on Jacob. Jacob. Because now it's done. You were putting your own shit on Jacob.
B
We didn't decide. You decided we have to have an arbiter. So if you're gonna play a game. You have to have an arbiter, but you cannot.
C
That's, like, when you play, you can't be like, right. And you should give him one. Like, you can't do that.
B
You are making up rules. You don't get to make up rules. I'm just asking, is this a rule?
C
No. You literally said, this bitch gets a. You didn't say bitch. We're still.
B
We're not doing it anymore. You don't get to decide where we have an arbiter, Jacob. You get to decide where.
C
We all decided when it started. We all decided together, so we have an arbor. We all decided. No, no, no, no.
B
In the game, to be fair, we can't be making the rules.
C
No, we decided when it starts, so we decide when it ends.
B
In order for this game to be fair, you and I can't make the rules. We have to have an outside arbiter.
C
We made the rules to start.
B
We. Jacob. Agreed. So the question is, is it done?
A
The game is done.
B
All right.
C
Yeah, the game is done, bitch.
B
I think we can ask the fans to vote.
C
Yeah, y' all vote. Who was nicer. Yeah, I like that, Jacob. Thank you. Who was nicer and who was not.
B
I mean, you called me out by
C
name a few times, and you did some things that were like, what?
B
I can't think of them right now. I miss you every time. That is you. Every time we go to this podcast, I'm like, what? I do. I don't remember anything you did, but I remember.
C
Well, you know, I've said this many times. If you paid attention to me on this podcast, I have that memory. And I don't necessarily remember actual events, but I do remember my feelings. And I remember feeling that you were disobeying the rules, the laws, the rules. I remember how you made me feel a couple times, and it was mean.
B
I was not mean to you.
A
Okay?
B
I think I may have been doing a little bit better at this game than you.
C
You touch smooth skin. Look at how smooth. Do you shave your chest at all? No. Right?
B
No, that's true. That.
C
That is crazy.
B
I just don't grow out of hair.
C
Bitch, if you pull this footer down,
B
I'm more hattles than your fucking cat.
C
Oh, fuck him. You call my cat a fucking cat? The game's over. Well, y' all can get them, too.
B
Yes. I can be mean to your cat.
C
Well, you know what I mean.
B
I think I won this game, but we'll let them decide.
C
Well, have a good night.
B
I love you so much.
C
I love you, too.
B
Now it's making.
C
It's hard to be. You know what? Pride's gonna be your downfall. Pride is going to be your downfall.
B
Goodbye, everybody.
D
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In this re-release of one of their favorite episodes, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change challenge themselves to be nice to each other for an entire episode—a true test considering their signature dynamic is built on playful bickering, sharp wit, and bold honesty. The episode revisits some of their most memorable arguments, delves into themes of friendship, pride, and small disputes (like birthday sweaters and veganism), and features a running tally of “mean points” to determine who is truly the nicer sibling. The atmosphere is lighthearted yet authentic, full of memorable banter and laughter.
“If you have the method of payment, bring it with you to the courthouse.” – Monét (09:44) “Do not, I repeat, do not leave your method of payment in the car. It will not work out for you.” – Bob (14:32)
“Wow. Pride will be your downfall.” – Bob (34:11)
“I really put a lot of thought into this jacket… and I was, like, so excited…” – Bob (45:57) “I feel very bullied. To quote Laganja Estranja, I feel very attacked.” – Monét (49:22)
“Well, you know what, Bob? You're right. I should not have used the word bankrupt.” – Monét (27:36)
On Arguing:
“Bitch, when?” – Bob (02:26)
On Text Arguments:
“Wow. Pride will be your downfall.” – Bob, dramatically reading his own text (34:11)
On Birthday Gifts:
“I would never want to hurt your feelings, ever.” – Bob (40:01)
“I feel very bullied. To quote Laganja Estranja, I feel very attacked.” – Monét (49:22)
On Pet Peeves:
“I don’t really think I have a real pet peeve from you. I really enjoy your company.” – Bob (56:50)
“You hate when I tell you I’m gonna come over and I don’t come over.” – Monét (57:13)
On Vaccine Hesitancy:
“Not trusting the vaccines is wild. It is dangerous, can kill people, can alienate your children to not get them vaccinated…” – Bob (65:22)
“Get vaccinated, y’all…” – Monét (66:51)
| Timestamp | Topic/Segment | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:09 | Setting up the "be nice" challenge | | 05:21 | Recap & argument: Bringing money to court | | 22:53 | Revisiting classic arguments: veganism | | 33:12 | Dramatic reading: “Pride will be your downfall” text exchange | | 43:18 | The saga of the birthday sweater | | 56:50 | Pet peeve discussion | | 65:09 | Vaccine discussion and hesitancy in Black communities | | 69:06 | End-of-episode: Tallying “mean points,” game closes |
The episode is packed with playful shade, genuine affection, and over-the-top drama—always steeped in the unique, loving chemistry between Bob and Monét. Even the most heated disputes come with laughter, eye rolls, and a refusal to let pride dominate their friendship for long.
If you’ve never heard Sibling Rivalry before, this episode is the perfect microcosm: two drag legends poking fun at each other, dissecting life’s small squabbles, and always circling back to true friendship. Despite the “rivalry,” it’s all love—usually buried under a mountain of jokes and a sprinkle of competitive pettiness.