The One With Yvie Oddly

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – "The One With Yvie Oddly"

Released: July 1, 2024
Hosts: Bob The Drag Queen, Monét X Change
Guest: Yvie Oddly (Winner, RuPaul’s Drag Race Season 11)

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and candid installment of Sibling Rivalry, Bob The Drag Queen and Monét X Change welcome the ever-entertaining and iconoclastic Yvie Oddly, winner of RuPaul’s Drag Race Season 11. The discussion flows from hilarious Drag Race memories and the realities of touring as a drag queen to candid reflections on identity, objectification, sexuality, and Yvie’s new memoir. The hosts and guest offer deep insights while keeping their trademark irreverent, joyous tone throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Yvie Oddly’s Drag Race Legacy & Season 11 Memories

• Drag Race Impact: The trio reflects on Season 11’s chaotic energy, infamous moments (e.g., Silky Nutmeg Ganache and Miley Cyrus antics), and the emotional intensity of the Drag Race environment.
• Yvie’s Take:
  • “[Drag Race] is really wild… I love writing, I love poetry. I never thought I’d write a book. It felt serendipitous.” (B, 21:27)
• Perceptions of Queens:
  • The group discusses how certain behaviors or portrayals during the show (notably Silky’s) polarize audiences and affect queens’ reputations even after filming.
  • “From day one, when Silky came in…in a room of basic bitches…I was like, kill me now, bitch. And then when it aired, America saw what I felt.” (B, 03:37)

2. Touring Life: Hygiene, Clothing, and Survival

• Tips & Realities:
  • Bob and Yvie swap practical tips for keeping drag clean while on the road: washing tights in the shower, rotating costumes, using potpourri or scented trash bags, and coping with less-than-ideal conditions.
  • “If you close your suitcase, you’re going to just cram them in. But if you leave your suitcase open…” (A, 13:10)
  • “[I] didn’t know any way to keep my shit clean…so all of my tights, all of my outfits, everything just was that smell for a year.” (B, 12:35)
• Sensory Experiences:
  • The trio riff on the unique (and sometimes gross) smells of drag and club culture, both loathing and embracing aspects of it.
  • “I like when people are a little bit… when people smell a little muddy. I think it’s kind of sexy.” (A, 07:52)

3. Owning a Home as a Queer Black Artist

• Milestone Reflections:
  • Yvie shares the emotional impact of buying a home in Denver, the intersection of queerness, blackness, and achieving milestones.
  • “For me it’s something I just never saw for myself. Be it because I’m black, because I’m queer, because I knew I’d be an artist…” (B, 17:58)
  • “That’s the thing. You and the bank co-own your home…if you miss a couple of payments in a row on the 28th year, they’ll take your whole house!” (A, 19:04)

4. Writing and Owning Your Narrative: Yvie’s Book

• All About Yvie:
  • Yvie discusses her new book, Into the Oddity, and the motivation behind reclaiming her story beyond Drag Race, especially after feeling sidelined on All Stars.
  • “For the rest of my life, I’m supposed to be, oh, yeah, All Stars. I slayed that. I love that, too. I have no idea why I didn’t win anything. So weird.” (B, 23:10)
  • The collaborative writing process: Yvie’s book was assembled via in-depth interviews with her and her circle, stitched together by a co-author.
  • “It was literally like therapy. We’d sit down… if something triggered a topic, he’d add that for a later conversation.” (B, 31:25)
• Audiobook Dreams:
  • “Are we going to be getting an audiobook version? Because some of us can’t read.” (A, 33:07)
  • “I plan on doing an audiobook…everything takes money. Maybe if I have enough physical copies out I can invest in what it takes…” (B, 33:20)

5. Sexuality, Objectification, and Queer Liberation

• Hypersexualization on Drag Race:
  • Yvie addresses being sexualized by the fandom and how All Stars presented her—“I was disappointed…because this didn’t show people any other potential I have out in the world other than, like, I have a huge cock.” (B, 21:42)
  • The group muses on the freedom and melancholy of being celebrated for sexuality while constrained by stereotyping and editing.
• Micro Nudes Trend:
  • Yvie’s viral Twitter (X) stunts—posting “micro-nudes”—intended as a joke, sparked a playful liberation movement online.
  • “It was supposed to be a promo, but people found a way to feel liberated, to share themselves, not take everything in life seriously.” (B, 36:44)
• Bathhouse & Hookup Talk:
  • The trio reflect on the differences in their sexual visibility and experiences pre/post Drag Race.
  • “The mystique of somebody being, ‘ooh, that’s Yvie Oddly, and they want to fuck me because they’ve heard my dick is big…’ that’s what’s hot.” (B, 42:00)
  • “If you’re back in their city, ‘I will try to give you some more.’” (B, 43:13)

6. The “Daddy” Discourse

• What Makes a Daddy?
  • Extended banter about being called “Daddy,” the shifting meaning of the term, and queer generational dynamics.
  • “Daddy’s always been a mindset. Daddy’s never been about your age.” (A, 28:04)
  • “It’s been strongly tied to age, though, because there’s this maturity that gay people were not really allowed to hit…now daddies are everywhere.” (B, 28:10)
  • Hilarious distinctions between “daddy,” “auntie” and beyond, poking fun at each other’s energies.

7. Race, Identity, and the “Black Experience”

• Biracial Realities:
  • Yvie discusses feeling like an outsider—too light-skinned for some Black folks, always “other” among white people.
  • “Some of my earliest memories about being black, about race, were actually from my family…‘you’re not black, you’re yellow, you’re not one of us.’” (B, 50:38)
  • Bob affirms: “You cannot be un-blacked. As you navigate the world, you will always be having a black experience.” (A, 51:29)
• Celebrating Black Diversity:
  • The group highlights the vast diversity within the Black experience and calls out the fallacy of a monolithic blackness.

8. Being Queer, “Looking Gay,” and Gender Performance

• Queerness as Performance:
  • Hilarious musings on whether queerness is visible—how “gay” people look or sound, with examples from their own families and fellow drag stars.
  • “Sometimes you just look at somebody’s face alone and you’re like…faggot.” (B, 58:10)
  • Casual voice and mannerism shifts: “There is a part of my sexuality that comes with playing a different character… the voice is down here. Yeah, man. What’s up?” (B, 60:13)

9. The Hot Dad Discourse

• Yvie’s Dad is Thirsted Over:
  • Jokes and stories about fans (and even other queens) lusting after Yvie’s father, who’s become a meme for his looks and visible support of Yvie.
  • “There have always been random bitches coming up to me in places and being like, I’ve always wanted your father to tear me in half.” (B, 55:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Yvie on Season 11's Infamous Chaos:
  • “Watching Silky Nutmeg Ganache taking Miley Cyrus by the ankle and swinging her around the room, I was like, this is crazy!” (C, 02:35)
• On Objectification on Drag Race:
  • “I was disappointed competing, but more so watching it, because this really didn’t show people any other potential I have out in the world other than, like, I have a huge cock.” (B, 21:42)
• On Being Called ‘Daddy’:
  • “I started getting called Daddy…in my later 20s.” (B, 27:43)
  • “Daddy’s always been a mindset. Daddy’s never been about your age.” (A, 28:04)
• On Blackness & Biracial Experience:
  • “I’ve always felt separated from the black community as much as I’ve felt separated from white people.” (B, 50:38)
  • “You never get to have a white experience. There’s nothing you can do to give yourself a white experience.” (A, 53:39)
• On Sexual Liberation Online:
  • “So many people were like, oh, if I post a little itty bitty blurry version of myself, I can still, like, feel that sexual liberation…” (B, 36:44)
• On Drag Tour Hygiene:
  • “Wash your tights in the shower using shampoo after the gig…Hang them over the edge. In the morning, they’ll be completely dry.” (A, 13:10)
• On RuPaul’s “N-Word” Moment:
  • “She goes, ‘And this season, we have the shade tree, so there’s something you need to get off your chest, just let a n—— know.’” (A, 47:48)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Yvie’s Reception on Drag Race, Silky Discourse: 02:18–04:50
• Bob & Yvie’s Denver Pride Story: 04:31–06:31
• Touring Tips & Drag Smells: 11:16–15:15
• Yvie on Buying a Home: 17:43–19:28
• Yvie’s Memoir Process & Purpose: 20:10–24:16, 31:00–33:35
• Micro Nudes Phenomenon: 35:31–38:33
• Blackness and Biracial Identity: 50:24–54:44

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Where to Find More

• Yvie’s tour tickets: oddlyevie.com or allaboutevie.com
• Yvie on socials: @OddlyEvie

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End Note

This episode balances irreverent humor, open dialogue about drag, race, and sex, and honest self-reflection, all wrapped in the infectious chemistry of Sibling Rivalry. Whether you’re here for insider drag tips, queer philosophy, or just outlandish stories, this is a must-listen for any Drag Race or queer pop culture fan.

Transcript

[A]

My name is bob the drag queen.

[B]

And I'm monet x james.

[A]

And this is sibling rivalry.

[C]

On this week's episode, we welcome yvie Oddly to the podcast.

[A]

Monet X change passes for street.

[C]

And we find out what made Bob

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say, so are we gonna be getting an audiobook version? Cause some of us can't read. And we found out what made yvie say this.

[B]

I already know it is. I had a deal with, like, Ru's new book company, and then, like, cut it just like that. And we find out what made Monet say this.

[C]

Ah, you are so fucking bestie. You are honestly the messiest person I know. Oddly, it's yvie. You know, I sing your verse from our thing all the time.

[B]

Really?

[C]

It's so good.

[B]

Cause me too. I really do.

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In this household, we often say I'm Evie, Oddly. And oddly enough, my edges stay straight up. But these kids are tough.

[B]

Like, often in your household. Really? So y' all and all these little five year olds who come up to me at the meet and greets. You have a big ass house. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Hi, kids. What PG thing are we gonna talk about today? And they're like, my tits are tough. I'm cutting these bitches. It's not enough.

[C]

Ladies and gentlemen, y', all. She does not need an introduction. She is one of the staples in drag and drag race culture. It is the ever odd.

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Yvie.

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Hey, girl.

[B]

Hey, girl. The rusty staple.

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We are here with the winner of season 11.

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You love it. I love it. 11. It is 11.

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Yeah.

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It is 11 tatted. I got it tatted for proof.

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Season 11.

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The 11 genderi season of RuPaul's.

[C]

I hate that. I hate 11. Nina West. I didn't. She did not eat with that. She threw it up.

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I liked it. I thought it was camp.

[B]

It was camp. And I expect nothing less from Nina West. You know, you better give me the most dad joke in the biggest, biggest dress.

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Do you know what? My. What? What? What? Besides, obviously. Well, there are two big memories I have from. From season 11. Number one was watching it as a fan and, like, the first episode was so chaotic and how. And how silky Nick Ganache took Miley Cyrus by her ankle and was swinging

[B]

her around the room.

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I was like, this is crazy to watch. It felt like, okay, that's also especially

[B]

wild because, like, y'.

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All.

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Y' all experienced it too. You know, your first day in the workroom, you're like, oh, my God, this is real. What is going on? Is any of this real. And suddenly, like, a bitch you met 10 minutes ago is like, get these cookies. And, like, throwing. Dragged out Miley across, like, slamming her into RuPaul's brick wall.

[C]

You know what I mean?

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Wasn't Miley on her back at one point?

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Yeah, yeah, she flipped her up. It was a whole wrestling routine. I thought they choreographed it because it

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was crazy, because the world really turned on Silky. Because before Silky was before the first episode, the world was like, protect the one.

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I love her.

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She's amazing. She's that bitch. And then episode one came out. They were like. I think it was when she said, mike check. Fuck you. That was when America was like, we don't like you.

[B]

Okay, but see, that is when I was like, I don't like you. Like, like, oh. Oh, my God, people. I know I was so fucking petty on that season. Always just, like, picking out the girls about shit. But, like, from day one, when Silky came in with, like, the most basic bitch shit in a room of, like, basic bitches, and RuPaul was like, I was like, kill me now, bitch. And this is. This is going to be the longest season. So when it was about to air and America was like, yeah, Silky. I was like, fuck, this is going to be terrible. And then from day one, they saw what I felt, and I was like, okay. So I have to thank the girls from season 11 for also being shady enough to hate it and be like, what the fuck was that bitch doing? Even though nobody else would talk about it clearly in person.

[A]

And for some reason, I don't even know if you remember this, but I. I literally. You know, I don't think I've really truly known any contestants from drag race since 10. I've known a few here and there. Tina Burner. I don't think I really knew anyone from Yo Honey Davenport from your season, but I think she's the only one. I. So I haven't. So I didn't know any. I didn't know anything about. I mean, we had met in Brook, in. In Denver that one time when I did Denver Pride with En Vogue.

[B]

And I'm very thankful that you. You even slightly remember that, because we hated your ass for that. I was like, okay, I know Pride is terrible, but Bobby Anna is a cutie because you. Because you are exactly who you were, and Pride is exactly what Pride is. It was chaotic. It was terrible. There were 800 drag queens stuffed in a closet when we are literally in a giant warehouse and you were not having any of it. Like, girls would come up to you. We were like, oh, my God, not me. I didn't talk to. But girls would come up to you and be like, yes, Kiki, Kiki. And you'd be like, yes, Kiki, Ki. Like, back to your little corner of the closet.

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We were like, I am consistent. I am. Nothing is not consistent. I tell people no one has a story. Being like, Bob was mean to me.

[C]

No one had.

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No one has a story that I was a. No one has a story. I was rude to them. But people have stories that people. Like, I saw. I said, hey. Bob was like, hi. Yep.

[B]

Huh. Exactly. Cold. Ice cold, bitch. Ice cold. I'd be like, happy we trashed your shit. It's funny, my current roommate who just moved in with me was also the other person working backstage, and I just remember him being from, like, I hate Bob. I hated her in New York, and I hate her here.

[A]

Oh, my God. And she's gonna hate. And she'll hate me all the way to the Grammy.

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Just.

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Just know the haters live forever. I didn't tell her I'm talking to y' all today.

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Let her know that it hasn't affected me in any way. In fact, it might be making me even more successful.

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Some people might say, oh, my God, do not give the people the secrets.

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Years ago, I got this. This, like, dramatic story when I was in Berkeley, and this fan on the street corner was like. I had just left the gym. This fan was like, oh, my God, can I get a hug? And I said, I don't. Monet knows this. I don't hug everyone. I just don't love hugging. When I know you, I'll hug you. And even then, it might be a sideways hip, tap, tap hug. I just don't love hugging people. I'm not a hugger. I'm not a hug.

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Really.

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I am not a hugger.

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I love hugging because hugging is the easiest way to avoid conversation. They're like, oh, my God, my mom died, and then she came back to life, and then she watched you, and then she died again. But she loved you before. And you just lean in for the hug, and you're like, oh, baby, baby, it's all good. It's okay. This is so slay, isn't it? Stay strong, weirdo. And then you run away.

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For me, the easy way to avoid conversations is what I did at Denver Pride. I go, hi.

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Well, for me, I don't mind.

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It worked.

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I don't mind the hugs. I don't like the DragCon hugs. Because what I find at Drag. What hasn't been in DragCon in so long, so maybe different now, but when you hug people. I hate when you hug someone and they go put their arm around you and you can feel the wet and the condensation, like, under their armpits. That feeling to me is like someone taking a razor blade and slicing my throat. I hate that.

[A]

You know, I like when people are a little bit. When people smell a little muddy. I think if. I think it's kind of sexy, to be honest. Okay.

[C]

If we're.

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Well, and I like it because then it's like, match my freak, bitch. Because I'm in the club, I'm sweating.

[C]

Okay? But then when you have. You have, like, 19 different sweats. So now. So now you're. Now your long hair just smells like bo.

[B]

Okay, Monet know the history of drag, though, because we have always been the. Of the community. We are out here collecting all the fucking sweat, so don't think you're too good for it.

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Now I'm out in public and a musty walks by me. I get a little turned on. I be like, oh, okay.

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Trinity and I were. We're doing a podcast with a couple days ago, and she was saying that she likes a guy when they're hooking up out the shower. Like, literally out the shower into bed.

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She does not want any.

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Any anything. Y' all are both.

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I don't mind if you're out of the shower. There's one thing I. There's one thing I do not like. Do not wear scent because you can taste it when you're kissing them, when you're licking them. And. And I do not want. I don't want to smell your deodorant. I don't want to taste your deodorant. I don't want to smell your deodorant. I don't want deodorant in my mouth or in my nose. So.

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But that's why, like, the perfect thing is, like, have showered before. Like, did your douching, eat your fiber pills, do your Kegels or whatever, then go out to the gym, the club, whatever you do, get a little bit sweaty. That is perfect, because then it's like, yeah, obviously they did shower. They are clean, human. Yeah, but I can taste your pheromones, bitch, and I'm gonna suck right out of you.

[A]

Yeah, I like the way. I like. I like the way that people SM. Smell interesting for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I. I like you after, like, a long day of work. I'm into that. Maybe, like, a light gyms If. If you're just lifting. If you were, like, on the treadmill, Y' all notice people at the gym who. They only do treadmill, and they've been on the treadmill for, like, an hour, and their.

[A]

Their shirt has disintegrated because water.

[C]

I don't want that. That's too much body water and stuff.

[B]

But see, but if you can match their freak, like I was just doing. Actually, all of pride is nothing but one big ball of sweat. So I was doing this party where, like, every was half naked. I was barely doing drag, so I was half naked. And all that night was nothing but, like, exchanging fluids. Like, hey, girl.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah, sure. Let's do some Molly

[A]

crazy is that Yvie. You are notoriously a girl who smells au natural. This is, like, everyone knows that Yvie, oddly is gonna smell au natural. However, I've never heard your name brought up in the mix of girls who smell bad.

[C]

I did a whole.

[B]

That's because I did a whole season

[C]

with Evie, and I never smell. I never smell Evie one time. Not even a single. I'm not even trying to say that because you're here. I've literally never, ever had or it's been. That's never been my story with you.

[B]

But that's because the girls, like, literally got the worst of me on season 11. Like, stress sweat is something else. I was. And also, I was wearing, like, the same outfit every day because I did not expect the work room to be a freezer. I packed all these cute little boop, bop, bop, bops, got there and was like, I'm not doing that. And so I was just, like, sweating into this giant winter coat all day, fighting bitches getting even more tense, like, oh, and just, like, chain smoking. So, no, I did not smell beautiful. Especially because RuPaul's like, 800 fucking feet away. She doesn't have to be impressed by the way I smell. Like, girl, you're wasting time, like, trying to rub deodorant on your asshole right now.

[A]

Yeah, I don't mind. I don't need my drag. I also don't have a great sense of smell, so I don't need my drag queens to smell good. But I do not. I do not. I do not want you to smell like. Like, when you get in the bar and the. And the. And the perfume is burning my eyes. I don't want that.

[C]

How often does that happen, Bob? Burning your eyes? That's a little dramatic.

[D]

It has happened.

[A]

It has happened. There have been. Do you remember there used to be a guy. I'm not gonna say his name. We used to live up near me on the Upper west side. He would always come to the bar. We would ride together in the bar together. Oh, this is the infamous line. He would ride to the bar together with us. And he's cologne.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, I mean, I would be like, I'm. I'm getting maced. I'm getting mate right now by how much cologne you have on. And I also don't like the smell of something that was wet. And then. Yeah, put away the Eureka area with the Eureka.

[B]

Okay, so you just hate drag then?

[A]

No, I. That. That smell. That smell also burns my eyes. That smell also burns my eyes.

[C]

Eureka Special.

[A]

That's money. That's crazy. Calling that the Eureka Special is crazy, girl.

[C]

We all know it. Everybody on this call know it. All of them listening, know it all.

[A]

I'm calling it the Eureka Special is.

[B]

Yeah, no, I think that's also just like a part. A gross part of drag, though. Like, especially the first year I was touring and stuff, I. I didn't know any way to keep my shit clean when I was going to be in a new city every day. So, like, literally all of my tights, all of my outfits, everything just was that smell for a year. Until I discovered, like, oh, bring multiple things. Don't just wear the same shit over and over again.

[A]

I want to give everyone my tips if you are going to become a traveling drag queen. Here's some tips that I always give. Wash your tights in the shower using shampoo after the gig. Take your sights. You don't have to just. Just in the shower with the shampoo, just give them a little squish, squish, squish. Hang them over the edge. In the morning, they will be completely dry. Leave your suitcase open. Do not, because you don't be opening and closing it. Because if you. If you close your suitcase, you're going to just cram them in. But if you leave suitcase open, you're going to put them in the spot they belong and put them there. Also, if you have something that's wet, I know it's not great for. For. For hookups, but just lay it out. You're going to have to layer, drag out across the room. That's the part.

[C]

That's why. That's why you don't want to do it, though. Because then somebody comes, they were like, what the fuck is that? I'm like, don't worry.

[B]

Yeah, well, agree with you. Okay, here's a tip. For new drag queens. Ignore that last bit from Bob. Travel with a little bag of potpourri, a big scented trash bag. And if you have wet things after the gig, dump them all in there and deal with it later. Get that dick, girl. Get that dick.

[A]

And also, when you come on tour, I like to. So I was really on this. Something actually that I learned from Kim and Naomi, which was, you know, switch up your costumes every once in a while. I had like one outfit for one tour, which, which is. It helps with the branding and. But you can just also be on theme. You can be on theme. So for this tour you can be leopard print. For this tour you can be red. For this tour you can be pink. Whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But that way, when you have those little breaks, just. Just take the thing over to the dry cleaners, drop it off, and then take the new one and then just rotate them back out every day. And the dry cleaners is not for me. I mean, it's not expensive here in L. A. I don't know how much it is everywhere else. New York was a little more expensive.

[B]

Okay, see, but this all seems like a really, really wild conversation to be having in general because you're like basically telling people like, hey, okay, so here's how to do your laundry. Like, this is. This is shit you can choose to be doing. I've toured with so many bitches now. And honestly, when I get my reputation of being a smelly, nasty girl in comparison to these girls. Yes, yes. Because everybody is so neuronic about actually taking care of their things. And I've never respected anything I own.

[A]

I don't think I've ever been accused of being a good smelling queen because I don't. I don't wear cologne or perfume because it makes my stomach hurt. And when people have on a lot of cologne, perfume, it also makes my stomach hurt. So I. I can't even walk into a Bath and Body Works. And when I say it makes my stomach hurt, it gives me the shits. And I know that's crazy. If I'm in a Bath and Body Works for more than five minutes, I get the shits. I cannot explain this and comment below if you're also like this. Does the overwhelming perfume smell give you the. Or is it just me?

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

I mean, I feel like, yeah, that's. That's a little extra. That's dangerous to be going out and telling the whole world, like, now somebody's just gonna like, like Bath and Body Works bomb you. Like, I hate you, Bob. Throw A bunch of cologne in your face. Just shit yourself right there.

[A]

Let's take a short break and we'll see if I have the shits after this. After this break.

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1-800-contacts. And we are back. So wait, so you're. So you moved to Brooklyn, but where are you right now? Cause this room is not giving Brooklyn.

[B]

No, no, this room is. It used to be my old drag room in Denver, but then I was like, wait, yvie deserves so much more space. So you know, I'm in den. I'm in my place in Denver. Uh huh.

[C]

Really?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't see that. Yeah, I'm a. I'm a. I'm a halfway New York girly now.

[C]

Oh, shit.

[A]

Oh, because you still have a place in. You still have your place in Denver, obviously.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is. This is what I locked myself into for 30 years.

[A]

Yeah, I saw that you purchased it.

[C]

It was.

[A]

Honestly, it was. It's really moving. Whenever I see black people purchasing homes, I don't know why it means so much to me, but I'm just like.

[B]

Well, for me it's like some shit that I just like never saw for myself. Be it because I'm black, be it because I'm queer, be it because I knew that I was gonna be an artist my whole life. And so I was like, okay, bitch, it's ramen. It's ramen and rat.

[A]

I mean, I'm still eating ramen, but

[B]

I was gonna say now it's ramen and a mortgage payment. I legit ate nothing but ramen yesterday. Like, that is how I've survived pride here.

[C]

I bought this giant thing of ramen. Bob put me.

[A]

I bought. I bought this giant thing of ramen. I said mortgage. This giant thing of ramen that I have in my.

[C]

You also did buy a big thing of mortgage, too.

[A]

I did buy.

[B]

I just, like, I want to. I love that, like, people forget that, like, mortgage payments. Like, it is so bougie to have a mortgage payment. I realize that I am privileged because I have something that in theory, I own, but I am so broke all the time because of it.

[A]

That's the thing. You. You and your. You and the bank co. Own your home.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And slowly but surely, you're buying. You're buying more and more of the home from the bank. And then eventually one day you'll own more than the bank does. But the crazy thing y' all don't realize is even if you, if you get yourself a 30 year mortgage, even if you pay for 28 years, if you miss a couple of payments in a row on the 28th year, they're going to take your whole house.

[C]

It is such a scam.

[A]

I'm like, you can. I'm like, no, no, I. You get the closet. I paid 28 years. You can have this.

[B]

Well, see, and for me, the scam is interest. It is ridiculous. I am so pissed that, like, you know, uneducated about house buying. Here I come. I'm like, yes, I'm finally doing something for my future. This is a good investment. I'm paying for my home. And then I ch out like my mortgage statement every month. And I'm like, okay, so I, I paid this huge chunk of money and only like $3 actually went towards my mortgage. The rest is just the bank being like, yes, bitch, we are draining you.

[A]

Yeah, you do that.

[C]

It's the worst.

[A]

Can you tell us about. Can you tell us about. About your book, please? I'm so.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And how's it going all about ev. Into the oddity.

[B]

Into the oddity. Which is, you know, rare for me because usually the oddity is getting into.

[A]

Am I right?

[B]

Am I right or what? No. It's really wild. I never thought I'd write a book. It's like one of the many things that I love to do. I love writing, I love poetry. But I don't know, for me, it's something that just seemed so serendipitous because it was right after All Stars had aired. I was already in talks with this writer, and I felt like I wasn't gonna be able to make the most of what the experience was supposed to be. Cause, you know, a big part of going back on that show is being like, okay, I want to expand my audience. I want to expand, like, what people can see me doing out in the world. You know, that representation on Drag Race gives people the idea, like, oh, she can be an actress. Oh, she's kind of funny. She could host a show. And I was just so fucking disappointed watching that. I was. Well, I was disappointed competing, but I was disappointed watching it because I was like, this really didn't show people any other potential I have out in the world other than, like, I have a huge cock.

[A]

So that is. That is kind of low key, a big talking point for you when it comes to RuPaul's Drag Race, which is obviously objectifying, objectively objectifying. You know what I mean?

[B]

Which I mean, I'm fine with that, though. I'm fine with being objectified. I was just frustrated, I guess, because I had so many dreams that I, like, was working so hard to manifest. And then not only did the experience itself not really, like, live up to that, it felt like kicking me back to preschool again. But because of that experience, because of how the show is edited and aired, like, I feel like I'm still fighting to prove what I'm fully capable of. I did my tour last year for the first time, my first one woman show, and consistently, the only thing that I got across every audience was like, oh, I had no idea you were funny. I wasn't expecting you to come and do this whole stand up show, to write these songs, to do these things. And that's because they were never given the opportunity to see me portrayed in that light.

[C]

Well, you. I mean, I've seen a lot of the book press and the tours you've done around the book, and you were speaking so candidly, very openly, very honestly about your experiences on Drag Race. How do you feel like, do you feel like that is negatively affecting you?

[B]

I mean, in ways I already know it is. I had a. A deal with, like, Rue's new book company that she was up. We were in talks of, like, working together and then, like, cut it just like that. They're just like, oh, actually, we can't say why, but, like, got it. No. So, like, yeah, I realized that, like, it makes enemies. But the thing is, I critique everyone. I critique myself the hardest, but I critique everyone. And just because I critique you doesn't mean, like, I hate you. I'd never want to work with you again. Fuck you. It's just, like, being, like, specifically with that experience, you know, they do get to tell our stories and, like, show our voices to the world. And they silenced me. They silenced me so hard that, like, for the rest of my life, I'm just supposed to be, oh, yeah, All Stars. I slayed that. I love that, too. I don't know. I have no idea why I didn't win anything. So weird.

[C]

Silence. What do you mean? Like, can you. Can you elaborate?

[A]

Were you silent or were you silenced?

[B]

I was silenced. We are. And. And, like, it's reality tv. I'll say that Drag Race and World of Wonder actually do a very good job of taking care of their contestants, especially if you look at a whole lot of other productions where they're, like, ship in these models, beat them to death and make them look glamorous for a photo shoot.

[C]

You know, cut their hair, fix their gaps, pull them home. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So, like, know that there is a TV show that actually has the ability to position its contestants for success as well as RuPaul's Drag Race. Maybe early years of American Idol. If you were American Idol, maybe. What's her name? Who's the country girl? Carrie Underwood. And before Carrie Underwood to Kelly Carson. What happens to Ruben?

[C]

Ruben kind of just. I don't know.

[A]

Not everyone.

[D]

Not.

[A]

Not everyone who. Who's on the show. I mean, it's not. It's not a. It's not a science. It's not an. It's not a math problem.

[B]

But for the longest of times, being on that show actually gave you the chance to have a musical career, to make the culture.

[A]

Jennifer Hudson is another person who went on the show. Fantasia Barino. They were on the same. Did you know Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, and Todrick were on the same season?

[C]

Todrick hall was on the same season as them. What did.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Did. Did Todrick make it to Hollywood? Was he on, like, the.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, really girl?

[A]

Fantasia, Todrick and Jennifer Hudson were all on the same season of American Idol work.

[C]

I didn't know that.

[B]

That is iconic.

[C]

Say it again.

[A]

You didn't watch American Idol back then.

[C]

I did watch it, but back when American Idol, I was really young. I was maybe, like, what, like six or seven?

[A]

Not that young. Not that young. Not that young enough to be down at the glory holes at the. Oh, my God.

[B]

In all fairness, that age was way younger back in the day, too.

[A]

Right now that y' all waiting Too long to go to Gloria. Me and my friend Sam Lotzenheiser were at Pride. And Sam used to work with me at XS Lounge. And we had left the bar and we were, we were on the, with the parade route, used to go right by this bar used to work at, and we, we were like, oh my God, 28 at the time. And these like 17 year old twinks with their, with their 15 year old lesbian friends walk by and he was like, oh, look at this. Every year they get younger and younger. I said, no, Sam, no. Every year you get older and older. There have always been 15 year old twinks at Pride. 15 year old lesbians. And you were one of them. You were once a 17 year old pride. And now that you're rounding out 30, you're gagged.

[B]

See, but that's the better thing. I'm glad I'm getting older because I remember being like a 15 year old twink and being like, this is amazing. And then being like, there's nothing for me. And then I'd go to hit on 30 year olds and be like, hey, you want to take my big twink? And they'd be like, come back in 10 years.

[A]

Have you been called a daddy yet?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I was getting, I started getting called Daddy like a couple years ago in my later 20s.

[C]

Daddy used to be. I mean, yes, if all intents and purposes, it's for an older person that you. But, but, but now it's more, it's more of a. More of a dom sub thing. Like you can be if you, you could be someone could be like 24 and be an 18 year old's daddy. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, Daddy's always been a mindset. Daddy's never been about your age. Daddy's always been a mindset.

[C]

No, that's not true.

[B]

I feel like in a way, in a way it is. It's been strongly tied to age, though, because there's this like, maturity that gay people were not really allowed to hit. So we're seeing this blossoming of daddies because we actually have futures. Like we're living into old age. We get to see what it looks like to be an old fag now. So, you know, Daddy, the mindset of Daddy is changing. Daddies are everywhere.

[A]

Well, someone like Carson Kressley will never be a daddy because Carson Kressley never had daddy. He never had daddy vibes. Yeah, it's not, it's not about how old he is. RuPaul will not be a daddy. Actually, I was like, rupaul But Carson Grley. Ross Matthews cannot be a daddy.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

No.

[B]

Okay. That is what's sick is I know Ross is somebody's daddy.

[A]

Rosalin Matthews.

[C]

Matthews girl, look at, look at, look.

[A]

Roseanne. Roseanne Matthews.

[C]

Look at Ross and his husband Ross is the daddy. Baby Ross is the daddy.

[A]

The daddy.

[C]

What?

[B]

No, no, no. But he is the daddy. He's like, this is a very unique type, okay? He's that like blousiest blouse. Blouses. But he is a top. And because he's such a blouse, he is so dominating. I already know.

[A]

Be a bottom daddy, though. All daddies aren't tops.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Who the bottom daddy you can be? Not all, not all daddies are tops.

[B]

And it extends into submission. I've had daddies be like, comment below,

[A]

Ross if you're a daddy. Comment below, Ross, if you want to daddy somebody. Monet, could you be a daddy?

[B]

Mo.

[A]

Could you be a mommy or a daddy?

[C]

Or I could not be. I don't think, I don't think. I don't think. I give daddy energy. Even though I do top a lot. I would not consider myself a daddy.

[A]

It's not.

[B]

No, you give like auntie energy.

[A]

Damn, Evie, you know, people, I think the idea of being fucked by your quote unquote daddy is one thing, but being fucked by your aunt is sick. Being fucked by your aunt is.

[C]

Or uncle.

[A]

What about uncle?

[C]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Uncle.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. I could see that you give me

[A]

like, not so bad. But being by your aunt is sick. Okay.

[C]

I have to say so. I have always. And one day I, Because I have so much story to tell in my life is so I've done got this, visited personal, family, whatever. I, I, I've had a lot going on in my life. So the fact that you sat down to write a book, I found out to be very envious because, like, I feel like that is such a heavy lift. Bob is writing a book currently. Well, you. Well, currently, yeah. You still work? Yeah. So y' all are.

[A]

It's almost done.

[C]

Almost done. So y' all are both right, book writing people. It just. The closest I've gotten is when I did my one woman show. My most recent One Life v Life, man. I sat down and I wrote a lot for that and I'm like, oh, my God.

[B]

It's a lot.

[C]

It's a lot.

[B]

It's insane. Well, luckily for me, I did not write a word. I wrote not a single word. It was Michael Bach, the co author. He came up to me like, wanted to do a book. And after All Stars, I was like, okay, yeah, I need to tell my own story, but I still don't want to write it.

[A]

What is that?

[C]

Y' all meet and you just talk? And he.

[B]

It was over. Zoom. It was. It was literally like therapy. Like, we would sit down and we just, like, talk about different subjects each time. We'd be like, okay, early childhood, teenage years coming out. And if there was something that was, like, triggered a specific topic or something, he'd add that for, like, another conversation later. And he did this, like, with me.

[A]

He.

[B]

He did this with, like, Brooklyn and Silky, Naomi, Asia, like, my family. He called my mom and my dad my best friend. So the style that this is told in is he's a narrator. Telling, like, interviewing. Interviewing all of us. Yeah.

[C]

I never heard of this. This sounds very. I'm very intrigued by this.

[B]

It's very good. It's easy. It's easy to read, too, because. But it's our words. It's our words. And then he just weaves the pieces together.

[A]

Yeah, that's really cool. So it's a source of memoir. It really is about your life.

[B]

It is. It is a memoir. It's all about me. And I'm thankful I got so many different perspectives, too, because, you know, I wanted to take control of being able to have the narrative in my hands, but I didn't want it to be a manipulated thing. Like, I only want people to see the good in me. I only want, like, so, you know, it has all these perspectives of people being shady about me.

[A]

Here's my question. Take a little break.

[C]

Let's take a little break, and we'll talk more about this with Eie.

[A]

So are we going to be getting an audiobook version? Because some of us can't read. Like, I. I can read.

[B]

Let me.

[A]

Let me be clear. I can read, but when I read, it makes me very sleepy. I do not like to read books. I like to listen to books.

[B]

That's why I read before going to bed. Like, it's. It's been my new brain turn off activity. Instead of tv, I'm, like, absorbing a story and then also being lulled to sleep. But I plan on doing an audiobook because I like y'.

[D]

All.

[B]

I'll be very genuine and say, everything takes money. And, you know, maybe if I. Maybe if I have enough physical copies out in the world, then I can invest in what it takes to bit.

[C]

You better come into my house. We gonna set up this podcast, Mike, and we're gonna record you and get that book done.

[A]

It's gonna be potato barking in the background, Colleen knocking shit over. Monet's doorbell's gonna ring. Monet gonna get. Hold on, let me get this Uber Eats real quick.

[B]

See, but that's the way it should be because that's how the story was told. Like, you know, so. Yeah, when my stepdad was beating me. Oh, one second. My Uber Eats is here.

[A]

Yeah, the code is 1111. Thanks.

[C]

Oh, girl.

[B]

And it's so wild over here where I live in Denver too, that like half of the times we'd be on these interviews, I'd be like, yeah, so that's where I first learned about death. And then like, here's some literal crackheads in front of my house, like, fighting, like, bitch, you better. I never give you nothing for free. Why do you think you gonna get that now? I'll pull up on your ass. Not now, not now. Take.

[A]

I do want to say out loud that if you all want to support Yvie, she's in the middle of her tour right now. She's going to St. Louis, Philadelphia, she's going to Baltimore. She's going to Washington D.C. houston, Dallas, Texas, Austin, Texas, San Antonio, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City, Seattle, Orlando, Tampa, Portland, Oregon, San Francisco, and then Boston. Where can they get tickets to see you on your tour?

[B]

You can get tickets to see me on my tour at my website, oddlyevie.com. or if you just like only care about my book and my life story, you can go to all about evie.com. and that's where all of my very clear high res nudes are.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You started this new trend of the micro nudes. What is this? Tell me about the micro nudes, Evie. Why the micro dudes, Mitch?

[B]

It was marketing. It was like I was like sitting on the couch with my husband was like, I was liter giggling to myself like, oh, babe, this is going to be so funny and cute. I'm going to post a nude, but it's going to be so tiny. And then I'll be like, oops, it was. It was zoomed out. And then I'll post the book. I posted it and then forgot because I'm bad at social media. And then I like checked again the next day and it was like, like 3 million people have seen this. Oh my God. Post your mini nudes. Mini reveal. So apparently the Internet likes stupid stupid.

[A]

I've never heard about the micro news. Where can I see the micro? The micro. What do I go to? What website?

[B]

The mini reveal. The mini reveal. You just go to formerly Twitter.

[A]

I was on X. You.

[B]

You go to my page.

[A]

So. You are so fucking ridiculous.

[B]

It's ridiculous because, okay, the thing is, it was stupid. It was supposed to be a promo, and I didn't even really make it that. Because I'm a dumb, lazy bitch. But what I was not anticipating was after people being thirsty and then being like, zoom, was people actually finding a way to feel liberated, to share themselves, like, for real. Not to take everything in life seriously, but so many people were like, oh, if I post a little itty bitty blurry version of myself, I can still, like, feel that sexual liberation, that gratification. I can feel like I am a sexual being and not, like, jeopardize my social life, my work, my, you know, my family. And that's. That's actually been a big part of what my drag has been about. Post All Stars is, like, embracing the fact that, for me, a big part of being queer is my sexuality. That's the thing that isolated me in the first place was. Was the fact that I wasn't expressing myself in a way that's appropriate for sex. And then that, you know, it's. It's supposed to be the thing that is the forefront of. If I'm gonna. If I'm gonna get picked on for something, if y' all are gonna hate me because I'm a cocksucker, I'm going to almost show you sucking cock. Almost.

[A]

Yeah. I'm looking, I'm looking at all the quote tweets and all the quote, are people sharing. This is so. This is honestly low key cute. I'm accountable.

[B]

Right? That's what I'm saying. Like, some people are bitter about it because they're like, this is stupid. And I'm like, well, you know, I see it as liberating that all these people are like, okay, okay, my turn.

[A]

Look at me. I find it very charming. It's very, very funny. You've been very open about your. Your body and, you know, sometimes you.

[C]

You're.

[A]

How do I say this? Sometimes you're. You're more Dragula than Drag Race, you know? You know what I mean?

[B]

Don't tell the Dragula girlies that. They hate me.

[C]

What's the name?

[A]

No, not like they hate Monet.

[C]

She hates me, girl.

[A]

Not like they hate Monet.

[C]

They do.

[A]

For. I don't know what Monet did to the girls of Dragula.

[C]

Nothing.

[A]

Monet and I reviewed one season of Dracula.

[C]

We were like, I didn't even do it on that season.

[A]

No, we reviewed a season.

[C]

No, we did. I Did not. I've never. I've never seen Dragula. Maybe that's why.

[A]

Wait, did I review it myself? No.

[B]

Yeah. But the thing is, they.

[A]

They.

[B]

It's not. Hey. Okay, that was an exaggeration. I'm not trying to actually start any beef that doesn't exist, but there is this very clear delineation of, like, the kind of opportunities and exposure and shit that Drag Race gives you versus Dragula. So there is already, like, a cast system where we're, like, the middle class, upper middle class, white ladies in suburbans, like, pulling up to school and they're, like, getting off the bus.

[A]

Yeah. It does feel like sometimes, like, the Drag Race girls are the Real Housewives and. And the Dragon Girls are, like, baddies. Like, like, like, like.

[B]

Well, exactly. But. And that's, like, where. Where there's. There is always going to be this tension because, like, we are. We're privileged. And in comparison, where we're. We're privileged in. In. In a way. And so if you. If you, like, ever acknowledge that, especially, like, at. I don't know, I think if I do get any shit, it's because, like you said, I'm more Dragula than Drag Race sometimes. And I chose to be on Drag Race instead of Dragula. I chose, and you won Drag Race. Right. But that's why I chose Drag Race is because I went to an art school. I've already been around a community of people who think and do and be like me. And I found it way more liberating when I transferred to a public city school with all of these kids and got to express myself in ways that actually mattered. It wasn't just circle jerking for people who already love, care, know about you. It's actually shaking shit up as an artist when you put yourself in uncomfortable situations.

[A]

I mean, that being said, a circle jerk can still be very fun sometimes.

[B]

Oh, my God, you say that I went cruising last night for, like, the first time in our park here, and the best I got out of things was a circle jerk with a bunch of sketchy guys, just all like, okay,

[C]

so post Drag Race. So post Drag Race, never stopped your bath, housing, cruising, etc. You still do it like you did before, during, and after Drag Race, Because I find I cannot do. Like, I used to love a bath house. I used to stay up in a bath house. And now post Drag Race, Drag Race, it's just not fun anymore for me. I hate them.

[B]

Okay, but also, are you the kind of person who, like, if you were gonna hook up with somebody or if you wanted to hook up with somebody, it would be a turn off if they told you that they knew you beforehand.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. See, but that's. That's where it's different is pre Drag Race, my soul was a slut. Like, I. I wanted to be in the bath houses all the time. I wanted to be at the orgies. I wanted to be like. Like a very slutty person, but I wasn't fed that. Like, the Denver. The Denver I grew up in, the mindset I grew up in, the people I was surrounded by just didn't offer me a lot of sexuality in that way. And honestly, even post Drag Race, it, like, took me some time to finally feel like I'm able to project the sexual being that I am out to the world. So I find it easier now. It's. I like it. I like it. And I like the mystique of somebody being like, ooh, that's Evie, oddly. And they want to fuck me because they've heard my dick is big or because they've seen me on tv, but they still want to connect with you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, that's what's hot. Is like getting to find these people, fuck the stories out of them, and be like, see, look, we're all humans. We are all humans. And yes, if I'm back in your city, I will. I will try to give you some more.

[A]

If it was good, if it was

[C]

bad, too, just whether or not you see them again, you're gonna do it again.

[A]

Words.

[B]

Oh, no, no, no.

[A]

Well, I found it interesting because I feel like you. There are some people who are on Drag Race and they're. They are sexualized outside of their drag Persona. I would say Cameron Michaels. I would say you. I would say Ora Mayori. I would say. I mean, the list goes on. There are certain people who are, like, sexualized I. Outside of there. And money. I don't know that. That maybe. Maybe because you have not been sexualized outside of your drag, maybe that's why it changes for you. But they. People see Evie's time on Drag Race as a sexual being, but that was

[B]

something that All Stars actually, actually gave me. So, you know, I didn't. I didn't really have. Nobody was looking at Naked Mole Rat evie on season 11 and being like, oh, that is exactly what I need in me tonight. It

[A]

on season 11. Season 11. But also, I'm someone who will see a drag queen and be like, I. I've never been turned off by someone being in drag. I've never been one Someone who's like, sister Dick will make you sick. I've never been one of those. I say, sister Dick will heal you quick.

[B]

Sister. Sister Dick will fix your wig.

[A]

Yes, take. Fix your wig. That's what I always say. You some drag queens. You must have a drag queen.

[C]

No, not that I'm aware of, apparently.

[B]

Oh, no. Now it's no. So you're gonna go and tell the whole word on television. Oh, I. Someone on this cast. I'm gonna have people in my DMs forever being like, damn, Monet is lucky. And now it's no. What's the T, bitch? What's the tea?

[A]

I'm screaming at Monet is lucky. I'm sorry, I'm scareaming.

[B]

I'm screaming at Monet's lucky.

[A]

I'm dead.

[C]

The world will never know about our Evie. Eevee. We cannot tell the world about our love Evie. We cannot tell the world about our one night in Paris. You know, niggas in Paris.

[B]

Because then they'll know why your hole is still just so open, throbbing.

[A]

Wait, why would.

[D]

You know?

[A]

Why would you never fuck the queen, Monet? You've had so many opportunities.

[C]

Like who?

[D]

Who? Who?

[A]

All the drag queens, you know, Bitch, you know tons of drag queens. Those are all our. Every queen you got is an opportunity.

[C]

None of them besides the one ever, ever, ever wanted to.

[A]

Oh, the one. You did get slurped off by drag queen one time.

[C]

Oh, my God, Bob, you said the one. I didn't say in what capacity, but

[A]

you did get slurped off by.

[C]

You are so fucking messy. You are honestly the messiest person I know. And I know.

[A]

I thought we already covered that.

[B]

I feel like it's about the dynamic, you know, because I don't remember what season or to what girl RuPaul said this, but at one point, she. Oh, it might have been laundry or something. Like, we all put on our Kiki voice and like, to Kiki Key with the sisters, but sometimes you need to take it off. And I feel like if anything ever stands in the way of me fucking other drag queens, it's like, okay, how do we get past the Kiki Key to the, like. No, but I. I'd I'd stick it in you for a lot. A lot of times.

[A]

I mean. And I can't remember what season it was where RuPaul looked at that queen and said, I'm going to top you.

[C]

RuPaul said that to somebody like, no, no. I was like, here's a question. Here's a question. This is legit. If you had the chance to Fuck. To fuck RuPaul either top or bottom from whatever, would you do it?

[A]

Bob, I think RuPaul's cute. I probably. If I was at a club and me and RuPaul were, like, making eyes. I think RuPaul's cute. Yeah.

[C]

What about you, Evie?

[B]

I have a kink for tall guys. I love it. I love it. Yeah, I'd RuPaul, how about you?

[C]

Mo for. For sure.

[A]

Yeah. RuPaul is very attractive.

[C]

RuPaul's hot. I'll do it.

[A]

Yeah. Very, very attractive.

[C]

If him and George. George just invite me over to the Mansion one evening, and I feel, girl,

[A]

I'm going over pre lubed, pre loop,

[C]

pre locked, everything, girl,

[A]

you gonna leave the same way untouched. We want you to pick up this.

[C]

We soak it up.

[A]

They gonna say, take this to Trixie House. She stopped answering the phone. I know y' all talk, so take this to trick house anytime you do bald and beautiful and then take your ass the fuck out of my. Oh, yeah, I would.

[C]

Absolutely. That would be hot.

[A]

Anyway, you know, RuPaul said the N word on my season. And I remember it was one of my. It was one of my favorite memories from the show you said it on.

[B]

I mean, that's, like, kind of humanizing shit. Cause, you know, she's not allowed to do that for, like, the big white world.

[A]

It was one of my favorite moments. She said it in front of the who podcast. She was like. It was when I think I told her on the podcast before. She goes. She goes, and this season, we have the shade tree, so there's something you need to get off your chest. Just let a know. And all white folks were like,

[C]

and you.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

And you. And you. Chi Chi and Naomi were like, oh, cackling.

[A]

Well, me. Me and Chichi. Naomi. Naomi.

[C]

Naomi.

[A]

Naomi

[C]

was one of my.

[A]

And Dax Monet also. Dax.

[C]

Oh, yeah, Dax. We got about Dax. Oh, my God. She said it on one of my season. I don't remember. I've been dragger so many times. I can't remember which time he said it. I think it was All Stars or season. It would have been all. It would have been season 10, because Naomi and Monique and Asia would have made a big thing about it, girl. They would have been like, stevie, do

[A]

you say the N word?

[B]

I used to, but now that it's 2024 and Drake isn't black enough to say the nword ne my I Kendra. Kendrick Lamar declared it.

[A]

Well, he said, not like Us. He wouldn't talk about you, Evie.

[C]

He wasn't talking.

[B]

He literally was. Okay, See, but that's the thing is we are at this point in the culture where after the years in the pandemic, we've all gotten to sit around and micro divide ourselves even more. So, you know, I've been cut out of the black community.

[A]

Except for out of the black community. Please, Evie, you're.

[B]

See, did that feel right? Or do you think I'm going to get canceled right fucking now for being like, you've gotten to use your white voice in the world. It has helped you succeed far too much, you Uncle Tom ass, dating your white ass husband. I bet you. I bet you suck pink dick. And you know what? I do. I suck a lot of dick. Of all different shades, I assume. I wouldn't know. I just tell him that's how it's changing colors.

[A]

That's just one dick. You just keep changing color. No, no, I. I think this is

[C]

a really interesting conversation. Like, I'm so. I'm so. I'm so. This is. I love the vast expanse of this conversation. Wait, so do you. So do you. So in terms of like colorism and all that, do you. Do you. Do you feel a disconnect from the black community because you are. Because you are multiracial?

[B]

I am biracial. I like biracial. I honestly don't know. Cause there's so much adoption. There's so much, you know, families doing 23 and me now being like. Read the book, Monet.

[C]

It's all, it's all in the book.

[B]

I mean, the book, the book lightly, lightly gives you the idea of why it might be difficult for me, but I have like black Panther blood in me. I've got family that is so proudly black and I've also got white family. I've got culturally white black family and culturally black black family. And I. Some of my earliest memories about like being black, about race were actually from my family, like teasing me and being like, oh, this little light skinned nigga. Oh yeah, you're not black. You're yellow. You're not. You're not one of us, the otherness. So, like, I've always felt separated from the black community as much as I've felt separated from white people. I don't fit in places.

[A]

Obama was a mulatto. No, I want to tell you this. That's a poem on the. On the Tik tok. I will say this. You cannot be unblacked. You are black. Because as you navigate the world you're going to be having a black experience. It doesn't matter how you are raised. It does not matter how black folks treated you. It does not matter how white people treated you. As you navigate the world, you will always be having a black experience. And therefore, you are a black person. Now, obviously, obviously, black people are gonna be. Me and Monet are both black. I'm African American. Monet is Caribbean American. All right. Or Caribbean. So obviously Monet and I. Monet came to visit my family. West Indian American. I apologize. Monet is West Indian American. So obviously Monet and I, when she came to visit my family in Atlanta, she saw we are having very different experiences. My family is very religious. My family is conservative. Not Republican, but they're like, conservative with the way they dress. Except my cousin Monique, oh, you better

[B]

call her out like that. Be like, yeah, my family is conservative. They're religious. Except for that blasphemous hormone.

[A]

No, she, no, she's religious. I'm the one that's not religious. She's the one that doesn't dress conservative. But Monique, honestly, if I was body down like Monique, you would not get me to cover my body like my cousin Monique is body down. It is crazy.

[B]

But that's like something that we, we had started talking about, about how the black experience is this diaspora. It's all these different things. So it's always been very frustrating for me to feel like I don't get to claim any part of my identity because somebody does have it blacker. And I'm never, I, I've never been white. That is what is so fucking funny about, like, the colorism is. Yes, I know I get privileges. I know, I know. I, I've, I've definitely gotten privileges. And I will get privileges for, for being light, light skinned. But that also doesn't remove my blackness. Like you were saying, when I go into a room and I see all white people, I am still the black person in the room.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, you never get to have, you never get to have a white experience. There's nothing you can do to give yourself a white experience.

[C]

If you, if you walk in a room with all white folk, they all, they look at the door like.

[B]

But that's why I like my whole, A lot of my drag, too. A lot of this whole experience is about, like, poking at that idea, poking at this idea of, like, what does it even mean to be black? What does it mean to be white? My favorite thing to do for the longest time was like, build my mixes around popular white songs like A thousand miles. Vanessa Carlton. Like, something to please all the super white audience. And then. Then switch it to something extremely black. Like. Like. Like. Like, put it in your mouth. Like, I want something to shock people, to be like, oh, wait, you're saying she knew all the words to this dirty DMX song? Evie is so slay because she's actually black. Wow.

[A]

I mean, speaking of black, can I ask you a quick question, too? How has it felt, the cuz You've been objectified, but the objectification does not end with you. It has extended to your family. Your father has been so objectified. It is. It's a. It's a meme. It's a thing. Anytime you post a picture with your dad, anytime your dad graces the camera, people are horny.

[B]

I mean, rightfully so. I've seen my father.

[A]

What is that like for you?

[C]

For you?

[A]

For you and for your dad? What is that like?

[B]

I mean, that. That really has been my whole life. He is just always been that hot and that magnetically hot. My whole life, since I was a little kid, there have always been random bitches coming up to me in places and being like, I've always wanted your father to tear me in half. And that's. That's always. It's always been my experience. And so I knew what I was.

[A]

So aggressive.

[B]

It is aggressive. It is very aggressive. And it makes me think, like, what the fuck are people getting out of that? Like, I share him with you because I know you think he's hot. And I need you to buy my book.

[C]

If your dad is ever visiting Los Angeles, I do have an extra bedroom, and he can stay with me if he ever needs to.

[A]

Hey, Monet, you. He's not. Evie's dad's not gonna rip you in half like a phone book. Okay? I love the picture of. Of him holding, like, a baby. Some of the comments say, yo, daddy. No, he fine. There's also a lot of stuff saying, I love that your dad supports you. Apparently, your dad rides a motorcycle, which I did not know. There's a lot of. I need a daddy, too. Your dad can get it. Your daddy is fine. Af. Beautiful. Dad. Dad. Damn, that dad. Such a beautiful creature. No wonder you're handsome, too. It is wild.

[B]

They go ham.

[C]

It's. It's.

[B]

Honestly, even I love that. I'm like, yeah, my dad is hot. And I am going to exploit his hotness because, you know, I'm sure it helps him, too. I'm sure it helps him, too. You know, who doesn't want to Be known by the Internet as please fuck me right now.

[C]

I think that is another thing. Why people objectify your dad is because of the love and support. To see how your dad loves you so much and he came on the show and like how that makes him even hotter to people that like he is also supportive and loves his queer kid. Like, that's fucking fierce.

[A]

Is there something about gayness in our bodies that makes us look gay? Because I'm looking at your dad and you just look gay and your dad just looks like. Your dad just looks like a straight man and you just look like a gay guy. And like when you see like there are certain people, like, like just take George's for example. Imagine George is straight. Just try to imagine it. How could Carson Kressley be straight? Straight? How could.

[C]

But, but how could. All the accoutrement is what's making them.

[A]

But how could Angeria be straight?

[C]

I can. I have met straight Nigerians before for sure. Injuria, Nigeria, Paris Van Michaels, Cartier.

[B]

Jones iii. I feel like. I feel like they could. I see your point, Bob. Because you know, you sometimes you just like look at somebody's face alone and you're like. Like faggot.

[C]

Yeah, for sure.

[B]

But. But I do think that a part of that is also that you could be straight. You could work to be straight. And instead like once we start to accept the gayer things about ourselves, the like less you try to craft yourself as a straight being. Like I could, I could see Jorgeous being straight. If Jorgeous really didn't care about himself. He like didn't ever like get his hair cut. He just like, like he would be. He would be like, if Jorgeous was straight, he'd be like an incel.

[A]

Gamer maybe, but also our voices. Like, like if I was straight, would my voice be this? I mean my voice isn't high, but I'm speaking in the higher register of my voice. And like, I mean, would I be one of these? Like, would I be talking? Like, I mean the other day on the plane, a woman tried to hook me up with this lady. Now I'm not, not into ladies, but I've never had a woman hit on me. I. I would. A lot of ladies, I would smash. I just don't get the opportunity very often. But this woman was like, my friend is too shy to say hi to you. And as I was fixing my mouth to say, where is he? She was like, she's. I was like, what? There's a woman hitting on me on the plane.

[C]

But Bob did They know who you were.

[A]

So the other flight attendants knew. And then once they clocked me and told her, she was like. My friend said, nevermind.

[C]

Because you've also talked openly about, like, you know, about being panned and thinking women are attractive. So maybe they thought, oh, maybe this is the one.

[A]

No, this woman had no clue who I was. Then the gate fighter Tam was like, girl, that's Bob. A drag queen. And then she was like, nah, I'm good.

[B]

A drag queen. But for real, though, it's all. It is all performance because you just did it, Bob. You just changed your voice. And I think about this all the time, specifically in the. In the terms of, like, my sexuality. Because there is a part of my sexuality that comes with playing a different character. At least at the beginning. Like, the voice is down here. Yeah, man. What's up? One word. Cool. Yeah, Sweet.

[C]

That's the Evie I've met that one night. That's the eevee. There she is, y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

She showed up.

[B]

But, you know, after you nut, it's back up here.

[C]

People often think I'm straight. Like, when people see me, like, in. In. In public, they think I'm straight.

[B]

It really is about, like, it's all the performance, not the.

[A]

The little booty shorts you be wearing.

[B]

Okay, that's fine. She's like, maybe in the winter, in

[C]

this day and age. It is 20, 24, Bob.

[A]

No straight guys wear five inch inseam. You are wearing one inch thongs.

[D]

Look.

[C]

Look at someone like, Maddie. Maddie, Maddie Morphosis.

[A]

Maddie Morphos doesn't dress gay. Only in drag.

[C]

Bring up pictures of your boyfriend. Ew. Oh, my God.

[A]

Wait. Yay. Put this picture on the screen. Yay. You have to put this.

[C]

That is like my freshman year of college.

[B]

That is so trade. Monet. I sucked his dick in the park last night.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Jacob J. Take this off the screen. Okay.

[C]

What year is this? This is 1999.

[A]

This actually is 19. I was in high school, so it's probably 2001. It's very close to 1999. It's probably 2001.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Cause that's what it. It's also like close trade. It's like, it's like, like the theater kid giving trade in the musical. Like, yeah, I'm the devil. I was never trade

[A]

girl.

[C]

Fam girl. She's giving Top Model. Honey.

[B]

I wanted to be on Top Model. I was probably like 18 or 19 there. That's when I was trying out for Top Model. Being like, okay, they're gonna Tell me that it's okay for me to be feminine and beautiful. I want to be androgynous anyways, because, you know, that's before all these fancy new types of trans popped up.

[A]

I have always been attracted to very faggoty, feminine guys. I would have been cr. I would have been obsessed with you. In high school, there was this one, like, gay boy at my school. I'm not gonna say his name because I don't know if he's out now, but he did end up contacting me years later. Later. And I was so obsessed with him. Like, I. But I wasn't out yet, so I couldn't do anything, but I would.

[C]

I was.

[A]

I was obsessed with him. Shout out to. Shout out to Joe. Joe. If you're all I'll say about Joe. All right, Evie, thank you so much for. For stopping by and. And visiting the siblings today again. Can you please remind us where we can see you on your book?

[C]

If.

[A]

Where we can get a ticket to see on your tour?

[B]

You can find tickets to see me performing or doing book signings. I've got 32 cities all at all. About evie.com or oddly evie.com. you can follow me at Oddly Evie, on all the fucking socials if you want to see my nude trends.

[C]

Thank you so much for being on the pod. You know, mom and I both love you, and thank you for taking the time, and we. I can't now. I. Well, I'm. I want the audiobook, too, because I love. I like reading a book and watch and. And. And listening to audio. So I'm. I'm a. Hold on. Off with audio.

[A]

I'm gonna do a video book. When I release mine, I'm gonna. I'm gonna read on camera.

[B]

Right? Actually, that sounds kind of peaceful. You know, do that while there's, like, a dildo around a camera with, like, a different angle so that you're doing something for your only fans. When I was 6.

[C]

Oh, my God. Now we have to go. Y' all are having. Y' all have ruined the podcast, so this last bit. Goodbye. Bye, everyone.

[A]

Well, that was so much fun, Evie.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you for having me.