Nightcrawlers

Summary

Sightings Podcast: "Nightcrawlers" (June 15, 2026) – Episode Summary

Episode Overview

This episode of Sightings, hosted by McLeod Andrews and Brian Sigley, dives into the eerie world of paranormal phenomena with a focus on the Fresno Nightcrawlers—a peculiar cryptid celebrated online as a "walking pair of pants." The hosts first present a dramatic "listener investigation" into a recent sighting, then dig into the history and internet mythology of the Nightcrawlers. Rounding out the episode, they share two chilling listener ghost stories: one set in rural Australia and another drawn from a haunted childhood home in Minnesota. The tone is playful but genuinely creepy, ideal for both cryptid enthusiasts and fans of campfire spooks.

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Main Segments & Key Discussion Points

1. The Fresno Nightcrawlers: Listener Story / Found Footage Narrative

(starts ~03:56)

"D" Describes Their Experience

• A young Fresno resident, self-identified as "D," records a first-hand account for YouTube after a bizarre late-night encounter in a park beside a drainage channel.
• Sighting described:
  • Two humanoid shapes, extremely long, thin legs, small round tops, no visible arms—appearing much like "walking pants."
  • One figure is larger than the other, suggesting a familial or paired relationship (possibly parent/child).
  • “Like, pale pants. Like white pants, whatever. I don’t know. And one was taller than the other.” (06:02 – D)
• D tries but fails to capture the creatures on film due to poor camera quality.
• Research reveals that these entities match the “Fresno Nightcrawlers” of internet lore.

Cultural Backstory & Local Legends

• D hears from an older local man at a laundromat that stories of "the things" date back generations, pre-dating YouTube and modern sightings.
• “Said his grandmother used to talk about them, that there were stories in this area about creatures like that, tall and pale and walking at night.” (11:18 – D)
• Advice from the elder: “The old people knew to leave them alone.” (11:34)

The Quest for Footage

• D returns to the park repeatedly armed with a night-vision camera.
• Notices a consistent pattern matching the original Fresno security camera footage: always a tall and a short "Nightcrawler."
• Wonders if there's a sensory element to the creatures—dogs react strongly, and D recalls feeling compelled to look just before the sighting.

Culmination: Capturing Evidence

• After days of vigil, D captures two figures on video, in the exact spot described during the initial encounter.
• Describes the emotional intensity of the moment: “It was like… your brain just goes completely quiet for a second. Like, it takes a moment to catch up. It’s just white noise.” (13:15)
• The figures are blurry due to camera shake but clearly visible. During filming, the larger one pauses and appears to "look" directly at D, creating a charged, unnerving moment: “Whatever was up there was, like, pointed right at me.” (14:34)
• The smaller figure moves closer to the larger one, seemingly for protection.
• Upon reviewing the footage, D thinks a third, fainter figure might be visible in the background, which deeply unsettles them: “It really creeped me out. It really freaked me out.” (16:10)

Resolution

• D decides to post the video but chooses not to pursue the creatures further, heeding the local warning: “I got the footage. That's what I came for... and I'm not going back to that park.” (16:18)

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2. The Fresno Nightcrawlers: Fact vs. Fiction Debrief

(18:14–22:11)

Hosts React and Discuss the Footage

• McLeod and Brian discuss the viral Fresno security footage (2007, by a man named Jose).
  • “The video is real. Not the video that this guy caught, but the original video security footage.” (18:36 – Brian)
  • The entity moves with a strange, floppy gait and appears about three feet tall: “Legs look really far apart and like they’re swinging from really high up.” (19:30 – McLeod)
  • Both agree it resembles "a wishbone meets pants." (19:40 – Brian)
• Context: Sightings limited to grainy security and trail cameras; no direct, in-person, high quality recordings exist.
• “What’s interesting is that it casts a shadow, which makes it like think it’s like it’s a tangible, real, physical thing.” (21:25 – McLeod)
• Skeptical Theories vs. Paranormal
  • Could be a trick of light (“a person wearing a cape,” 20:39), but both hosts note the only partial plausibility due to the size and shape.
  • Brian notes that all attempts to widely debunk or recreate the footage have failed (20:28).

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3. Listener Story: Australian Ghost Sighting

(22:27–26:43)

Rachel from Australia’s Story

• Rachel, age 9 or 10, experiences a series of escalating "urges" to look down a long driveway at dusk.
• She spots a benign-seeming woman with a stroller, who later reappears altered—now wearing a long white dress, climbing telephone poles.
• The figure’s head turns impossibly, face replaced by a “large black smudge” (25:04).
• Rachel flees, her brother following, but their parents dismiss her experience as imagination.
• The parents comfort her: “They told me that whatever it was wouldn’t come any closer because the church would protect us.” (25:26)
• Rachel never sees the woman again in that house.

Hosts' Reactions

• Both hosts are thoroughly creeped out, fixating on the uncanny image of the woman on the telephone poles and the blank face.
• “It’s always like, there’s something about distance that is so frightening… the anticipation, I guess, and like, the tension.” (26:12 – McLeod)

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4. Listener Story: The Ladies in the Wall (Minnesota Haunting)

(28:19–34:50)

Olivia’s Story

• Olivia recounts childhood after her large family moves into a rural Minnesota house with a “pitch black” crack in the bedroom wall.
• Her younger sister Anna, age 5, begins sleepwalking and conversing with “ladies in the wall.”
• Humming and tapping noises, always the same tune, are only audible to the children.
• Brothers refuse to enter the woods, followed by “two figures… the shadows of two women who stayed the exact same distance behind them.” (29:54)
• Attempts to seal the crack with plaster fail; it always reopens.
• Family grows increasingly irritable and sickly, culminating in a violent incident where a child is seemingly pulled down the stairs—Anna remarks, “My friends don’t like when you’re mean to me.”
• The mother, desperate, moves the family; all phenomena stop. Anna remembers none of it as an adult.

Hosts Discuss Supernatural vs. Psychological Explanations

• Considers possible explanations: anxiety, children’s imagination, sleepwalking, night terrors, family stress.
• “Sometimes when there’s this supernatural feeling in a house, it can just kind of suck the life out of everybody in a weird way.” (35:56 – Brian)
• Both acknowledge the details are movie-worthy: “That’s, like, just ready made to be a movie… The Ladies in the Wall.” (34:51 – McLeod)
• The possibility of non-supernatural explanations is raised, but the physicality (the child yanked down the stairs) remains unexplained.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It was almost like a walking pair of pants. And I know it sounds crazy, crazy, but that’s what they were.” (06:02 – D)
• “The old people knew to leave them alone.” (11:34 – local elder, via D)
• “It was like… your brain just goes completely quiet for a second. Like, it takes a moment to catch up. It’s just white noise.” (13:15 – D on seeing the Nightcrawlers)
• “Whatever was up there was, like, pointed right at me.” (14:34 – D)
• “It kind of looks like there might be a third shape in the background, like farther back in the dark.” (15:58 – D)
• “They told me that whatever it was wouldn’t come any closer because the church would protect us.” (25:26 – Rachel)
• “It’s always like, there’s something about distance that is so frightening… the anticipation, I guess...” (26:12 – McLeod)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:56 – 16:38: Listener “D” recounts their Nightcrawler investigation and sighting
• 18:14 – 22:11: Hosts break down the original Fresno Nightcrawler footage and its internet legacy
• 22:27 – 26:43: Listener Rachel’s paranormal encounter in rural Australia
• 28:19 – 34:50: Olivia’s long-form “Ladies in the Wall” haunting tale from Minnesota

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Summary & Takeaways

• The episode deftly intertwines local legends, personal experience, and internet mythology, immersing listeners in the cryptid world of the Fresno Nightcrawlers.
• Hosts approach the subject with skepticism but leave space for wonder; their discussions of the footage and stories reflect a mix of playful disbelief and genuine unease.
• Listener stories are a highlight, embodying the everyday strangeness and familial tension that often color supernatural experiences.
• The refrain, “some things are better left alone,” echoes throughout, underlining the episode’s cautious respect for the unknown.

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If you enjoy creepy creatures, haunted houses, or childhood chills, this “Sightings” episode does not disappoint—walking pants and all.

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People have always feared the night not for what it is, but for what it might hide. For centuries, we've told ourselves that the shadows outside our windows hold nothing but imagination. But what if something has been crawling through the night all along, silent and strange, just beyond the reach of the light? And what if it's coming for you? Welcome to sightings. I'm McLeod.

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Okay, so. Hi. Welcome to our channel. This is. Yeah, this is the first video, so there's nothing else here yet, but there's gonna be. That's. That's kind of the whole point of this. So you can call me D. And what that means is a mystery. The first among many on this show. It means you have to stay tuned. But, yeah. I'm 22, I live in Fresno, and about four hours ago, I saw something. Something I cannot explain. And I am here to sharing it with you now because I think it's gonna be a big deal. Like. Like a. Like a. Like a genuinely big deal. Okay, so let's go viral. I was at my buddy Marcus's place tonight, and it was late, maybe one in the morning, and I walked home because he's, like, only six blocks away, and it's like a.

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Whatever neighborhood.

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So I'm cutting through this little park near his street. And, okay, this is important. There's this drainage channel that runs alongside it. And, you know, I'm just walking, not paying attention to anything. Probably just watching the ground like usual. Not much to see here in Fresno, but something made me look up. I don't know what it was. Maybe a sound or something.

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I can't.

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I can't even explain why. It was just a feeling. I was like, oh, I should look up. And I just looked up, and there on the other side of the channel, on the other side of this, like, drainage channel were these. These two things. Walking. I know how that sounds. Like two things. Great, D. Very descriptive. But I'm getting there. Okay. Just like they were not animals. They were not people. They were walking upright on two legs. But, like, the legs were, like, way too long and too thin. And there was basically nothing above the legs, like the tiniest little round top and no arms. And I kept looking for Arms. And there were none. None that I could find. It was almost like. It was almost like a walking pair of pants. And I know it sounds crazy, crazy, but that's what they were. Like, pale pants, like white pants, whatever. I don't know. And one was taller than the other. Like, I don't know. Father, son, mother, daughter. And, like, they were just walking through the light, and then they were gone into the dark on the other side. The whole. The whole thing was maybe like 10, 15 seconds. And I didn't have my camera to take a video.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

I mean, I had my phone, but, like, the camera's crap.

[McLeod Andrews]

My friend just got an iPhone4. Oh, I want one so bad. Yeah, well, maybe if this channel gets big, I can buy one. But anyway, I tried to take a picture with my phone, and all I got was, like, black with some orange

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smear from the street lights. Completely useless.

[McLeod Andrews]

But here's the thing. Here's why I'm on YouTube at 1 in the morning. I looked it up. As soon as I got home, I looked it up. And these things, they have a name. They're called the Fresno Night Crawlers. And there is actual footage of them from right here in Fresno caught on a security camera a few years ago. And the footage is real. Like, people have looked at it, experts have looked at it, and nobody can explain it. And there's more footage from up near Yosemite, and there are reports from other states, too. And someone even posted a video from Poland that looks like the exact same things, but nobody likes. Nobody has actually caught them on camera in person. Like, standing there, seeing them with their own eyes and getting it on video. All the footage is from security cameras

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and trail cams and stuff like that.

[McLeod Andrews]

So here's what I'm thinking.

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Here's why I'm here.

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Here's the play. They came through that park tonight, six blocks from where I'm sitting. And I figure if they came through once, there's a reason for that, right? There's something about that spot, and maybe they come back. So I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna go back with a real camera, and I'm gonna set up. I'm gonna wait, and when they come through again, I'm gonna get it. That's my plan. I'm gonna be the first person to get actual, real footage of these things. Standing there, watching them happen. It's gonna break the Internet for real. That video will go everywhere. And I'm the one who's gonna get it. I'm calling it right now. Like, Babe Ruth pointed out, because I already know where they are. So, yeah, subscribe or whatever. Smash. Like, this is gonna be good. Okay. What up, what up, what up, what up, what up? So it's been a couple weeks since my first video, and I just figured I owe you guys my.

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My. My followers. An update.

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I went back to the park. Obviously, I went back.

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I said I was gonna go back.

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And I've been back, like, eight times

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at this point, which. I don't know. Maybe that sounds a little bit insane or obsessive, but, you know, it's a park. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just a guy sitting on a

[McLeod Andrews]

bench late at night with the camera. So, yeah, no luck yet, But I do want to talk about some stuff I found, because I've been going really deep on this, and some of it is wild. So I found an interview with the guy who did the original investigation into the Fresno footage. This, like, paranormal radio host who actually

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went and met with the guy whose

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security camera caught them. And what's interesting is the guy who caught the footage, his dogs were, like, going crazy that night, and that's what woke him up. His dogs heard them first. And, yeah, I've been thinking about this

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a lot since I read it, because

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when I was walking through the park

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that night before, I looked up and saw them.

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I don't know, something made me look up. Some feeling, maybe a smell, like the dogs. I don't know. And I keep thinking, what if there's something about these things that you can sense before you see them? Like the dogs felt something, and I felt something, and maybe that. Like, a real thing. Like, I. I know that sounds like I'm reaching or whatever, but I don't know. Just let me have this, guys. Let me have one good thing. So the camera situation. Here it is. Check it out. It even has, like, night vision, which is awesome.

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It's like I'm playing Call of Duty or something.

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So when these things show up, I am ready.

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I have practiced the angles. I know exactly where to point it.

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The other thing I want to say is that I looked into the Yosemite footage more, and the thing that stuck with me is that one of the things was taller and one was smaller. It's the same as what I saw. And in the Fresno security cam footage, same thing. One bigger, one smaller. And the way people talk about it, it's almost like they're always together, like a pair. So why every single time is there

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one bigger and one smaller? Are they the same, too?

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Is it like a family thing, A species thing?

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I have no idea.

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I just think it's interesting that every sighting, it's the same setup. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway, there's something else. Something big. About a week after my first video,

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I'm at the Laundromat. Not the park, just the Laundromat around

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the corner from my apartment.

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And I'm sitting there waiting for my stuff, and this older guy comes in, local dude.

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And he starts talking to me.

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He's just chatty, whatever. And I'm like, dude, please.

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But, you know, I don't know why I hadn't told basically anyone about this in person, but I told him what I saw in the park, and he didn't look at me like I was an idiot. He just said that he'd heard of these things his whole life.

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Said his grandmother used to talk about

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them, that there were stories in this area about creatures like that, tall and pale and walking at night. They went back way before any of this YouTube stuff. He called them something in Spanish that I didn't catch. And then he just said the old

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people knew to leave them alone.

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And then his laundry was done, and he left. And I've thought about that a lot.

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Leave them alone.

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Which is probably smart advice, but also, I'm trying to film them, so. Whoops. We'll see. Anyway, more updates soon. Got a good feeling about this week.

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Okay, I'm gonna try to be calm,

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because I think I need to be calm to get through this, but I want to warn you that I am not calm. I got them on camera.

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Calm. I'm calm.

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I'm gonna say that again.

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I got them on camera.

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Okay, so it was a few hours ago. I've been switching up where I set up in the park, because I figure, like, if there's a route they take, I want to find it. And there's this spot closer to the drainage channel. There's, like, a little concrete barrier you can sit on, and from there, you can see pretty much, like, the whole stretch where the street lights hit the ground.

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It's a good angle. And I've.

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I've been there a few times.

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So I'm sitting there, and I've got

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the camera on, like, a little mini

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tripod pointed down the channel.

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And I'm honestly, like, falling asleep, you know?

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Not gonna lie. I've been out there a lot of

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nights, and nothing has happened. So, like, I'm starting to wonder if

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I'm losing my mind.

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But then they were just there, both of them, same spot as the first time, right at the edge of the light. Same size difference. One taller, one shorter. And I cannot tell you the feeling in my chest when I saw them because. Oh, there's no word for it. It's like. It was like. You know, when something happens and your brain just goes completely quiet for a second. Like, it takes a moment to catch up. It's just like white noise. Just that. And then my brain caught up and I grabbed the camera and, like, the footage is okay. Like, I've watched it like, 20 times already. It's real. Like, you can see them. Like, let me be clear. Like, it's.

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They're there.

[McLeod Andrews]

It's not perfect. There's motion blur in places because my hands are not steady. Like, I mean, I was shaking pretty bad. Cause I was just so full of adrenaline or something. But. But you can see the legs. Like, you can see the shapes. You can see them moving. You can see that there are two of them. Like, Like. Like. Like two pairs of walking pants right there. It's there. And here's the part where I just need to be honest with you, because it's been messing with me since it happened. About, like 20 seconds into the filming, I stood up. I wanted to get a better angle. I wanted to move closer because the camera was getting it, but I wanted more. So I stood up and, like, the taller one stopped and turned toward me. It didn't have, like, much of a face, right? And I've said this before, there's just

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this faint suggestion of something up there.

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But whatever was up there was, like, pointed right at me. And we just.

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I just stood there. And it just stood there for, like,

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probably just a few seconds, but it felt a lot longer. And then the smaller one moved a little kind of closer to the bigger

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one, and the bigger one turned back,

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and they both kept going. And then they were gone. Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. The footage is real. I'm gonna put it together and post it. That part I'm sure about. But the part where it looked at me, the part where the small one moved closer, like it was. I don't know, like. Like it was being looked after or something. Like, does that mean something? The old guy at the laundromat said to leave them alone. And I got my footage. I got what I came for. So I'm trying to figure out if I'm done. Like, I feel like I should be done. Like, I feel like I got the thing and now I should just post it and leave it alone and be done. But, like, right Before I started recording this, I watched it one more time and in the part where the big one turned toward me when I zoomed in and, like, it's blurry. I'm not saying this is definitive. I'm not. I'm not saying. I'm not saying I'm sure. But when I zoomed in it, it kind of looks like there might be a third shape in the background, like farther back in the dark, just standing there. And I don't know, it's just like really. It's kind of.

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It really creeped me out. It really freaked me out. Something about it just didn't feel safe or good. And so I. Yeah, I think I'm done.

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I got the footage. That's what I came for. That's the whole reason I started this chann and I got it. So I'm gonna post it and that's gonna be that. And I'm not going back to that park.

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I'm just.

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I'm just gonna be really glad that it turned around and walked away.

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[Brian Sigley]

Welcome back, everyone. McLeod, that was a fun one.

[McLeod Andrews]

That was fun. I've never heard of this, like lanky walking pair of pants is this. I've heard of like Slenderman. Yeah, but like, is this in any way connected to Slenderman?

[Brian Sigley]

No, it's much less creepy than Slenderman. Let's actually, let's watch the video.

[McLeod Andrews]

And so wait, the video is real?

[Brian Sigley]

The video is real. Not the video that this guy caught, but the original video security footage. So listeners, it's best just Google Fresno nightcrawler footage and you can probably find it anywhere it heads up. It is super grainy. It's like someone took video of a monitor playing the video. It's like the original footage is gone. But this was recorded in 2007 in Fresno, California by a guy named Jose. So McLeod, why don't you tell us what we're looking at here.

[McLeod Andrews]

Got a time code in the bottom left. 12 hours, 48 minutes and 57 seconds. Kind of grainy, gray, like almost bluish. There's a.

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Before I even hit play, there's what appears to be like a tree in

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the upper left hand corner and then there's like a figure. It's like a white figure that almost looks like a wishbone.

[Brian Sigley]

Yeah, they're very weird.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Oh, it's got a weird gate, like, kind of floopy and floppy.

[McLeod Andrews]

It seemed like it cast a shadow. Oh, oh, yeah, it's coming closer. Oh, that's weird. The legs look really far apart and like they're swinging from really high up.

[Brian Sigley]

It's kind of like a wishbone meets pants, kind of, you know.

[McLeod Andrews]

Yeah, weird.

[Brian Sigley]

So those are the Fresno nightcrawlers, apparently, which have been seen in Yosemite and Poland and some other places too. Whether those are all hoaxes or not is the question. But that's apparently real footage. So Jose's. His dogs started going crazy at night. He installed a security camera. And then in November 2007, at 12:38 or 12:41, whatever time was on that timecode, he recorded that and he took it to the local Univision station. A paranormal investigator was brought in. He interviewed Jose. He studied the property. And that's about all we know until 2010 when this paranormal TV show called Fact or Faked tried to figure out if the video was a hoax or not. And they, in their infinite wisdom, I suppose, determined that it was real because they couldn't hoax it. People have questioned whether or not these are real creatures. They're very weird looking.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

What came to mind watching the video? If I'm honest because it is very grainy and like, given how the kind of what appear to be appendages, what

[McLeod Andrews]

appear to be legs, flow and wiggle a little, it looked to me a little bit like a person wearing a cape.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

And the light is just catching the cape more than it's catching the person inside.

[Brian Sigley]

That person would have to be so thin though. Cause you can't like. I don't know. And just also I think they figured out from the video that whatever that is is like only three feet tall.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Oh, okay. Well, a child in a cake, child in a cage.

[McLeod Andrews]

A child walking confidently in a cake. Which is creepy in its own right.

[Brian Sigley]

Yeah, it is. And it's just such a weird. Like it's probably. It looks kind of silly, you know, and it'd be very kind of easy to write it, write it off, you know, except that more of these things popped up in Yosemite than some people saw them in Montana, Ohio, Poland.

[Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Brian Sigley]

Always on security cameras or camera traps. No one ever caught it in person.

[McLeod Andrews]

Yeah, it's. What's interesting is that it casts a

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

shadow which makes it like think it's like it's a tangible, real, physical thing. Yeah.

[Brian Sigley]

It's not like a moat or, you know, like a dust or something or

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

like an interdimensional kind of anomaly.

[Brian Sigley]

Yeah. Or a ghost, you know? Do ghosts cast shadows?

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

I don't know.

[Brian Sigley]

So what do you think it is?

[McLeod Andrews]

I don't get the sense that it's a hoax because that's like a weird,

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

roundabout way to try and do a hoax of like getting something on a security camera.

[Brian Sigley]

Yeah.

[McLeod Andrews]

Like I just.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

It's just so, so grainy that like, it strikes me as just like a sort of something that's tricking your eye a little bit, but that's just like a person in a cape and the way the light catches the cape as opposed to the person inside the cape. Kinda.

[Brian Sigley]

Well, it's two people in capes then. Cause there's two of them.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Oh, that is weird.

[Brian Sigley]

Well, listeners, we'd love to hear what you think about it. Send us a message on Instagram or leave us a note on Spotify, but let's jump right into a quickie listener story. All right, this one is from Rachel from Australia.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Amazing.

[Brian Sigley]

And yeah, that's it. Let's get some music going.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Okay. I was about 9 or 10 years old at the time, living in a Semi Rural Area 2 hours or so from the main city, behind the church where my dad was working as the local priest. Ono. It was Late in the afternoon and I'd finished my homework. So I was playing in the dirt at the front of the house with my younger brother, probably acting out some dramatic scene with our toys to keep out of our mom's hair as she cooked dinner. After a good 20 minutes of mucking around, I had this odd urge to look up and peer down the bottom of our long driveway. We occasionally had random people turning up at the house looking for after hours priestly guidance. So at first I figured my shy spidey senses were tingling at the prospect of an unwanted guest.

[McLeod Andrews]

And yes, my initial thought was correct.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

At the bottom of the driveway, I saw a young woman wearing a white tank top and black tracksuit pants with her blonde hair tied back into a pon, pushing her baby along in a stroller. Nothing odd there. So, upon confirming my silliness, I just shrugged my shoulders and went back to playing with my brother. But then the odd urge to look came back. I vaguely remember a part of me not wanting to look back down the driveway, but I did it anyway. And there was no one there. It made sense. I figured she would have long since dropped out of view. But if there was no one, what was that odd feeling? I turned back to play again, but mere seconds later, that urge to look came back again. It felt even stronger now. At this point, you'd probably just cut your losses and just go inside, right? Well, not me. I looked. What I saw looked a bit like the woman from earlier, if only for the fact that her hair was blonde, though now loose and framing her face. And her build was the same. Her outfit had been replaced by a long sleeved.

[Commercial Voice]

Nope.

[McLeod Andrews]

Gosh darn it, that's exactly what I was afraid of.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Ah.

[McLeod Andrews]

Her outfit had been replaced by a long sleeved white dress. It's always lady in a white dress at the end of a long passageway is the worst.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Almost like a typical angel's gown. For some godforsaken reason, she was now climbing up and down the wooden telephone poles in the direction of our driveway. And as though she knew she was being watched, she suddenly turned her head.

[McLeod Andrews]

Ooo, all the way around in the cliche horror movie oh, I have no

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Spine way and looked in my direction.

[McLeod Andrews]

Well, I say looked, but it was

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

hard to be sure since her face was now a large black smudge, as though someone had switched it with an inked blurry thumbprint. It was then that I quickly told my brother something about seeing a ghost and just ran inside, hoping he was following me. I must have looked horrified because he was hot on my heels.

[McLeod Andrews]

Although my parents told me I must

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

have been tired and seeing things, especially since my younger brother hadn't seen what I did. They could tell that I had been spooked from something. They told me that whatever it was wouldn't come any closer because the church would protect us. It must have been true, because thankfully,

[McLeod Andrews]

I never saw that lady or any

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

other strange beings again. Well, at least not in that house. Oh, gosh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[McLeod Andrews]

That's the worst.

[Brian Sigley]

Yeah, this one was creepy.

[McLeod Andrews]

How old was she again? 10 years? 9 or 10?

[Brian Sigley]

And creepy woman in a dress crawling up and down the telephone poles.

[McLeod Andrews]

Telephone poles. Like, what?

[Brian Sigley]

That would freak me out enough. Let alone the, you know, the Exorcist head rotation.

[McLeod Andrews]

And like, it's always like, there's something

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

about distance that is so frightening, I don't know what it is like, about. It's like the anticipation, I guess, and like, the tension of, like, will it cross that distance? And also the uncertainty of, like, you can't quite make out what you're seeing. Your imagination just explodes with that to try to fill that distance.

[Brian Sigley]

Well, this one filled my imagination with lots of things that'll give me nightmares tonight, I think.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Yeah, I want to forget this one as fast as possible.

[Brian Sigley]

Yeah. Well, thank you, though, Rachel, for sending it in and terrifying us. But we're going to be back with one more longer listener story right after this.

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[Brian Sigley]

All right, welcome back, everyone. We got one more story. McLeod. This one has a title that I thought was fitting for episode titled Nightcrawlers. The title of this story, which is from Olivia, is the Ladies in the Wall.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Okay, well, I guess I sort of have an inkling of where this might be going.

[Brian Sigley]

Let's get some music going and let's see where it goes.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

I grew up in northern Minnesota with a big family. I have seven siblings. My mom was a stay at home mom and my dad was a police officer. We never had a lot of money living off a cop salary, so we moved from rental to rental for most of my early childhood. When I was 8 or 9, my parents were finally able to buy a house cheap through a state auction. My siblings and I were obviously very excited to finally have space of our own. My dad wanted to fix it up and maybe sell it later for something nicer. The house was a five bedroom 1950s home with a large backyard surrounded by woods. Of course it's surrounded by Woods. About 30 minutes out of town. When we moved in, we found that the previous owners had left a lot of their furniture, fancy china, cabinets, wardrobes and other random junk, as if they had moved out in a hurry and couldn't be bothered to take the heavy stuff with them. The first few weeks were relatively normal. We settled in and fought over who got which rooms. I ended up sharing a room at the end of the second floor hallway with my two youngest sisters, Anna and Issy, who were 5 and 7. Our room had a large crack in the corner of one wall. It was pitch black inside, like no light could reach into it. Oh wow. So it was big enough to look into. That's upsetting. I was angry about it because I thought it would let spiders in rightly so I'd be kind of. I'd feel the same way. During the third week we were there, I woke up in the middle of the night to a shuffling noise. It was Anna. She was standing in the corner of the room facing the large crack in the wall, whispering, stop it. I called her name and asked what she was doing. She didn't answer. I reached over and shook Issy awake. She looked toward the corner and stood up with wide eyes. She tried shaking Anna, but she didn't react. So we grabbed Anna by the arms and pulled her back to her bed. She had a wide, unnerved.

[McLeod Andrews]

No, stop it.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

She had a wide, unnerving grin on her face. I didn't sleep that night. The next morning, while we were playing outside, I asked Anna if she remembered the night before. She said, of course. I asked what she had been doing. She said she was Talking to the ladies in the wall. They wanted to be friends with her, but she wasn't allowed to tell Mom. I got angry and told her to stop making things up. But then I started noticing other things. I would walk past rooms and hear hummingbirds. Always the same tune getting louder. As I got closer to our room, I'd open the door and find the room empty, as if the sound were coming from the walls themselves. I told my mom about it. I even heard it while she was standing next to me. But she claimed she heard nothing. Sometimes I'd hear tapping from the attic in the same rhythm as the humming. I became terrified of our room, refusing to sleep in it. To my parents annoyance. I wasn't the only one noticing things. My brothers, who were self proclaimed adventurers, started refusing to go into the woods behind the house. They claimed that when they were exploring they were being followed by two figures. The shadows of two women who stayed the exact same distance behind them. No matter where they went or which direction they turned. When they looked back, the figures were just there, quietly following. Anna's sleepwalking became more frequent. She would wander to different parts of the house but always ended up back at the crack in her bedroom wall, whispering to the ladies inside. She'd grow hysterical when we demanded she stop. Issy and I begged our father to fix the crack. We finally wore him down. One Sunday morning before church he filled it with plaster and painted it over. When we got back, the plaster had started crumbling and turning yellow. My dad thought he must have mixed it wrong and said he would try again soon. But I knew something didn't want it covered. By bedtime it was completely open again. As time went on, the feeling in the house began to sour. It was like a blanket of constant unease hung over us. A pit in our stomachs. I could tell my mom felt it too. My kind hearted, impatient mother became irritable and angry, starting fights over anything. She looked sickly and ill, like something was sucking the life out of her. It reached a peak about nine months after we moved in. My dad was working a late shift. Everyone was at each other's throats. After dinner, Anna and one of my brothers got into a fight. He hit her hard and she started crying. My mom sent him to his room. I watched him stomp up the stairs. He stopped near the top. Then it was as if someone had balled up a fist in the back of his shirt and yanked him down. He flew down the stairs. In the chaos, Anna simply said, My friends don't like when you're mean to me. My horrified mom rushed him to the ER. He needed 11 stitches in his forehead. That was the breaking point. Everyone thought he just fell, but I knew better. Something had pulled him down the stairs. I don't think my mom truly understood what was happening, but she demanded we move. She blamed it on the isolation of being so far from town and family and having no one to help with the children, saying she couldn't take it anymore. She even threatened divorce if we didn't leave. Eventually, my dad agreed. We sold the house and moved closer to town. Everything stopped. Anna stopped sleepwalking. She stopped talking about the ladies in the wall, claiming she didn't know what we were talking about. When we brought it up, the cloud of dread had disappeared. It was like a breath of fresh air. Now, in my early 20s, I've tried to rationalize it, to chalk it up to children's overactive imaginations, but I've talked to my siblings. They remember those months as vividly as I do, save for Anna, who remembers nothing of that time. We know what we felt. We know what we saw. We can't all have imagined it. I only hope that the people who moved in after us had better luck and that they stayed out of the bedroom at the end of the hall. That's, like, just ready made to be a movie.

[Brian Sigley]

Yeah.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

The Ladies in the Wall.

[Brian Sigley]

I know.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Like, literally, you just call it the Ladies in the Wall.

[Brian Sigley]

It's interesting that they only seem to communicate with Anna.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Yeah.

[Brian Sigley]

You know, when kids have imaginary friends or talk to nothing. There's nothing more unnerving about that because you know that it's probably their imagination. But what if it's not?

[McLeod Andrews]

Yeah. You know, it's also, like, there's obviously, there's the issue of, like, sleepwalking.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Night terrors. My brother used to get night terrors. Especially, like, if he got a fever and it was. It was bonkers.

[Brian Sigley]

Oh, wow.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

I'd, like, wake up and he'd be, like, in the hallway with my dad, trying to, like, calm him down and trying to, like, let him know he was safe.

[McLeod Andrews]

And, like, it wasn't even, like, he

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

was screaming or, like, afraid, but it was just like, he was just in a different place.

[Brian Sigley]

Oh, goodness.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

But, like, the women in the woods following the brothers, like, that's strange. Like, there is an odd consistency to, like, them feeling like they were being followed by ladies in the woods. Anna talking to ladies in the walls, their mom just becoming kind of irritable. I don't know.

[Brian Sigley]

Sometimes when there's this supernatural feeling in a house, it can just kind of suck the life out of everybody in a weird way, you know?

[McLeod Andrews]

And it's also, like, you know, I

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

think not to dismiss this story, but, like, sometimes when it's, like, through the perspective of children, especially if there's, like, sleepwalking or, like, night terrors or dreams, if there's something going on with the parents that they don't understand, like, the mom is just, like, irritable, angry, snappy, not happy. Like, it's very possible there's something just very terrestrial going on with the parents that they're not including the children on, but the children feel it and, like, and their imaginations, like, an anxiety about why is mom unhappy? Why is dad unhappy? Starts filling in the gaps with explanations.

[Brian Sigley]

But, you know, if it was just some childhood imagination compounded by external forces, like that kid still got yanked down the stairs, could that have been dramatized to an extent? I don't know.

[McLeod Andrews]

Could be. It could be.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

I mean, like, could be the shirt

[McLeod Andrews]

got caught on something. Could be.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Just fell in a very.

[McLeod Andrews]

I mean, I don't know.

[McLeod Andrews (Podcast Host)]

Like, again, I don't want to dismiss it, but it's just. Just trying to think of. Trying to think of explanations for what is a very scary situation.

[Brian Sigley]

Yeah. But, Olivia, thank you for sharing that story with us because that was definitely creepy. And like McLeod said, it could be a movie.

[McLeod Andrews]

Yes.

[Brian Sigley]

So, yeah, so that's. That's this month's episode. Next month, we are going to be heading to the great outdoors. McLeod, excellent. We got a creepy story in a national park and then a summer camp story, and it's going to be. It's going to be a lot of fun.

[McLeod Andrews]

All right, just in time for summer.

[Brian Sigley]

Just in time. Heart of summer. Here we go. So we will see you all then, same time, same place, next month, right here on Sightings.

[McLeod Andrews]

Bye, everyone.

[Brian Sigley]

Sightings is hosted by McLeod Andrews and Brian Sigley. Produced by Brian Sigley, chase Kinzer and McLeod Andrews. Series music by Mitch Bain. Mixing and mastering by Pat Kickleiter. Artwork by Nuno Cernadas. Sightings is presented by Reverb and Q Code. If you like the show, be sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform.

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