Pride, from Protest to Parade: “As American as apple pie.”

Summary

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Episode: "Pride, from Protest to Parade: ‘As American as apple pie.’"

Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts: Robert Reeves, Jessay Martin, Bill Lyons, Mick McPeterson

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Overview

This bonus episode of Silver Linings with The Old Gays celebrates Pride—its history, evolution, and deeply personal significance. Reflecting on decades of activism, discrimination, liberation, and joy, the Old Gays share memories from early rebellious marches to today’s exuberant, family-friendly parades. Their stories are nostalgic, humorous, and moving, underpinned by a recognition of both the struggles endured and the progress made. The episode explores how Pride has transformed from acts of protest to vibrant parades, and it honors the community’s legacy while recognizing ongoing challenges.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Roots of Pride: From Rebellion to Parade

• Stonewall and the Birth of Pride:
  • “In June of 1969, the New York City Police Department raided a little bar in New York City called the Stonewall Inn…that night, the people inside fought back.” – Mick McPeterson, [01:22]
  • “Some say a butch lesbian started it. Some say Marsha P. Johnson threw the first brick. But either way, Pride started because queer folks got sick of being harassed, arrested, and treated terribly.” – Robert Reeves, [01:38]
  • “Pride was a rebellion long before it was a parade.” – Jesse Martin, [01:56]

2. First Pride Experiences: Shock, Joy, and Community

• Overcoming Fear and Embracing Visibility:
  • “There was a time when Pride meant marching in fear of getting arrested. Now, it means walking down the street in fear of getting sunburned.” – Bill Lyons, [00:55]
  • Accounts of initial Pride events, from the 1979 West Hollywood parade to early 1980s San Francisco, focus on newfound freedom, the overwhelming sense of kinship, and the risk involved due to societal stigma and legal threats.
  • “Everybody had a grin. Everybody was happy. It was just a joyous occasion.” – Robert Reeves, recalling his first parade, [03:14]
  • “It was very freeing to be in a gay crowd. I'd been in church all this time and child, this was a new worship experience.” – Jesse Martin, [04:25]

3. Parade Evolution: From Protest to Family-Friendly Celebration

• Changing Society and Growing Acceptance:
  • “One thing that I really enjoy seeing now is the amount of families that come out to watch the Gay Pride parade.” – Robert Reeves, [07:45]
  • Pride now includes not only the LGBTQ+ community but also families, allies, and children, reflecting acceptance and progress.
  • Mick discusses the excitement and nervousness of early events, highlighting that being ‘out’ was still risky—cameras were avoided for fear of being outed or fired. [08:49]

4. Stories and Iconic Moments

• Favorite Moments & Memories:
  • Driving the ‘Balloon Girls’ float in San Francisco for a parade with over a million attendees, marveling at the sea of people. – Bill Lyons, [13:33]
  • “...all of a sudden the earth started to shake...and all of these dykes on bikes came through…one was topless and just huge…those two lesbians, how big were they? They were huge.” – Robert Reeves, sharing a vivid memory, [15:24]
  • The tale of a Pride parade medical mishap in Palm Springs, turning a hospital gurney-ride into an unexpected parade float, with Bill cheerfully waving to the crowd while “very happy stoned at the time.” – [16:27–17:24]

5. The Meaning of Pride

• Personal Reflections:
  • “Pride is freedom for me, and pride is freedom. Family, my new family.” – Jesse Martin, [20:17]
  • “Allowing gay people to celebrate their identity and to affirm that they are worth something as a person.” – Robert Reeves, [20:25]
  • “Feeling spiritually uplifted about who I am and not having any questions whatsoever at having made the wrong choice—because it's not a choice.” – Bill Lyons, [20:41]
  • “I am standing on the shoulders of so many millions of queer people who sacrificed their lives for what we have today…our story here is as American as apple pie.” – Mick McPeterson, [21:17]

6. Progress, Sacrifice, and Ongoing Challenges

• From Police Threat to Police Escort:
  • “When I first really started participating in the gay world…the police were arresting us simply for going into a gay bar. And now we were being escorted by a massive number of police. That struck me as one of the biggest changes that have happened.” – Bill Lyons, [22:39]
  • Recognition of how much has changed, but with a sober eye on places where LGBTQ+ rights are still under threat: “There are places in the world…it can be punishable by death. We have to understand that experience is also part of pride.” – Mick McPeterson, [23:39]
• Looking Forward:
  • “For me, the future of pride is...I hope to be surprised. The world that we grew up in doesn't exist anymore.” – Mick McPeterson, [23:39]
  • “I think another thing that's encouraging about pride is that it is slowly being celebrated around the world.” – Robert Reeves, [24:48]
  • “You got to have friends...that's what pride is about.” – Mick McPeterson, [25:13]

7. Silver Linings: The Lasting Value of Pride

• “I think pride itself is silver linings.” – Robert Reeves, [26:09]
• “We've made great progress. And now comes the time to, as they say, secure the ground.” – Mick McPeterson, [26:23]
• “Celebrate yourself and fight for yourself.” – Jesse Martin, [26:32]
• “It's a celebration of being.” – Bill Lyons, [26:59]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pride’s Essence:
  • “Pride was a rebellion long before it was a parade.” – Jesse Martin [01:56]
  • “Our story here is as American as apple pie.” – Mick McPeterson [21:17]
• On First Parades:
  • “It was overwhelming because I'd never seen so many...blondes, big, big muscle bodies…for a little wimpy that had come from Nebraska, you know, but my eyes were wide and it was very freeing.” – Jesse Martin [04:25]
• On Community:
  • “The best part about it is walking around the fair, cruising other guys with your shirt off in that beautiful California sun.” – Mick McPeterson [11:56]
• Comic Relief:
  • “All of a sudden the earth started to shake...and all of these dikes on bikes came through. And...she was also topless. And these two lesbians, how big were they? They were huge.” – Robert Reeves [15:24]
  • “I was just waving at the crowd with a big smile on my face. I was very happy stoned at the time.” – Bill Lyons [17:24]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------|:--------------:| | Welcome and Introduction | [00:34–00:55] | | History of Pride/Stonewall | [01:22–01:56] | | First Pride Memories | [02:29–04:09] | | Early Parades and Social Risks | [06:06–08:49] | | Families & Generational Change | [07:45–08:49] | | Favorite Moments and Fun Anecdotes | [13:33–17:24] | | Reflections: The Meaning of Pride | [20:07–21:17] | | Pride's Evolution & Police Relations | [22:39–23:39] | | Global Perspective/Future Hopes | [24:39–25:13] | | Silver Linings & Closing Thoughts | [26:04–26:59] |

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Conclusion

This episode is a vibrant, heartfelt journey through the history of Pride—both personal and political. The Old Gays weave humor with history, irreverence with reverence, and nostalgia with hope, illustrating that Pride is not just a parade, but a testament to survival, camaraderie, creativity, and joy. Their candid voices remind listeners that what is now a celebration began with bravery and protest, and that its future, while uncertain, is brighter for the love and resilience of the queer community.

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Transcript

[Ad Narrator]

Ruby.

[Bill Lyons]

And for a while, Bob was part.

[Robert Reeves]

Of the Palm Springs Pride Parade on.

[Mick McPeterson]

His way to the hospital.

[Bill Lyons]

I was very stoned at the time.

[Jesse Martin]

From just beyond the lights of Los Angeles in steamy Palm Springs, California, it's Mick, Robert, Bill, Jesse, and this is.

[Robert Reeves]

Silver Linings with the old gaze.

[Jesse Martin]

We're back, kids, and, yes, the rumors are true. Back with a very special bonus episode.

[Mick McPeterson]

All about Pride, just in time for Palm Springs Pride, which, yes, is in November, not June.

[Bill Lyons]

There was a time when Pride met marching in fear of getting arrested. Now, it means walking down the street in fear of getting sunburned.

[Mick McPeterson]

But at its heart, it's about freedom, visibility, and being surrounded by the kind of joy only made by queer people together.

[Bill Lyons]

So how did this thing get started?

[Mick McPeterson]

In June of 1969, the New York City Police Department raided a little bar in New York City called the Stonewall Inn. It was something they always did, but that night, the people inside fought back.

[Robert Reeves]

Some say a butch lesbian started it. Some say Marsha P. Johnson threw the first brick. But either way, Pride started because queer folks got sick of being harassed, arrested, and treated terribly.

[Jesse Martin]

So Pride was a rebellion long before it was a parade. And we celebrate to remember that and who we are in community with others.

[Bill Lyons]

The four of us have been going to Pride since before some of you were even zygotes.

[Mick McPeterson]

I would say most of you.

[Bill Lyons]

So today's episode is all about our fondest Pride memories.

[Robert Reeves]

Well, then, let's get to it.

[Mick McPeterson]

All right, gentlemen, what Pride event did you attend where you discovered that you were part of something really big?

[Robert Reeves]

Well, for me, it was the first Pride I went to, which was in the early 80s in San Francisco. And when I looked up Market street and saw all of those people just cheering, it made me feel like I was really part of something. They were also in tutus and drag and all those other wonderful things that they do.

[Mick McPeterson]

So it was very colorful.

[Robert Reeves]

It was extremely colorful. And the vibe. You could just feel the vibe in the air. Everybody had a grin. Everybody was happy. It was just a joyous occasion just to look at it.

[Mick McPeterson]

Yeah. I think our audiences really don't remember or feel the excitement that we felt because the closet door was finally open. We were with people who were like ourselves, that we were celebrating just being ourselves, just being alone. And I think it was like a big, big fraternity. And, you know, it was just special. You were with friends and you made friends and you found lovers and dates, and it was. It just became your whole social life was revolving around it.

[Robert Reeves]

Yeah, it was A very, very big thing for me to go to my first Pride. I. I've never felt so proud in my.

[Mick McPeterson]

To say you were gonna say something.

[Jesse Martin]

My first Pride was in WeHo. It was a shocker. It was overwhelming because I'd never seen so many. I'd learned what a wife beater was, but I got tired of seeing blond muscles all over. That's all you saw were these blondes, big, big muscle bodies, which was overwhelming for a little wimpy that had come from Nebraska, you know, but my eyes were wide and it was, it was very freeing to be in a gay crowd. I'd been in church all this time and child, this was a new worship experience and still continues to be here in Palm Springs because I was at their first one also, which lasted about 15 minutes. And I felt like a parent. I was so proud of Palm Springs for just starting. I don't remember what year it was, but.

[Bill Lyons]

Well, like Bill, my first pride experience was going to the Pride Parade in San Francisco in 1980, right after I had moved to the city. And my roommates kept telling me about the pride event and the parade and all. And so when we actually went, I had not never seen so many people being so joyous and celebratory in the streets and being themselves. And it was really a very good feeling.

[Mick McPeterson]

The first pride I attended was in 1979 in West Hollywood. And that was the first year in West Hollywood because the city, in prior years, the parade was held on Yucca street in Hollywood. But Ed Davis, who was the, at that time, the chief of the lapd, finally said, we're not gonna issue any permits to you guys anymore because this is an illegal assembly. At that time, homosexuality was still illegal in California. And so they moved it to West Hollywood, which was unincorporated. And the sheriff's department was much easier to deal with. And yes, there were nothing but blonde blue eyed muscle men, of which I was one. Oh, blonde. You know, Pride was not the first idea to name the parade. The first gay parades were actually in celebration of what was then known as gay power, because this was the time of black power. This was the time of Chicano power. This was the time of women's power. And the first permitted Pride Parade was in Los Angeles in 1970. And that was a pretty big event for a city the size of Los Angeles to give a permit for a public assembly in celebration of something that was illegal. And you have to think about those times because they're completely different from where we are now.

[Robert Reeves]

One thing that I really enjoy Seeing now is the amount of families that come out to watch the Gay Pride parade, because, I mean, for little kids, I mean, guys running around in tutus and that kind of thing. And also, it's sort of a sentimental thing since I came out when I was in high school. But I really enjoy seeing from all over the Valley, the Gay Straight alliance, because if I would have just had that kind of club when I came out in high school, it would have been so nice just to be able to express myself as I really wanted to do instead of pretending to be this straight guy. But those clubs, I think, are just absolutely joy, and I'm sure that they get a lot of inner support.

[Mick McPeterson]

You know, there has been a change from, like, when Jesse and I first attended our first Gay Pride. We were pretty still really closeted. We weren't really into extremely. We were wearing just normal clothes. Normal meaning street clothes. There was no expression like, you see now. You know what I also think is it's easier for people now for younger generations to come out to a Pride event. You know, at the first Pride event I attended, there were no cameras. Nobody wanted their picture taken because you could lose your house, you could be thrown out of your apartment, you could be fired. And so those kinds of things were very much on people's minds.

[Bill Lyons]

Jesse, how have you seen Pride change.

[Jesse Martin]

You know, at ours? The only Pride I go to is this one, and in Palm Springs, and I'm just grinning the whole time, just seeing how we've grown as a people. And it's a lot of fun. And I'm all about hugs, hugs, hugs. And my cheeks are exhausted at the end of a parade from grinning and laughing and the love that's just coming back to us. It's still like we kind of first began. You still get overwhelmed by it, but in a great way. Thank you all.

[Bill Lyons]

Yes.

[Jesse Martin]

For the love you give us. We live for it, especially when Bob's there.

[Bill Lyons]

I remember the first Pride parade in Palm Springs, and it was on this neighborhood street next to a park, Ruth Hardy Park. And it was about four or five blocks long, and there were maybe half a dozen convertibles and maybe 200 people, including both the parade participants and the spectators.

[Robert Reeves]

What is your favorite aspect of pride? Whole experience. The whole banana.

[Bill Lyons]

Yeah, but the people. I mean, the people stand out because these are a lot of individuals trying not to be an individual, but something special. And as you said earlier, families, mothers, fathers, kids, as well as members of the community.

[Robert Reeves]

So, I mean, my favorite thing, literally, is watching the people. I mean, first of all, everybody is really, really hyped up. But just seeing all the various people in their states of dress and undress and costumes and that, I think it's absolutely fabulous.

[Mick McPeterson]

You know, I didn't think about all the parades I used to attend in West Hollywood and how. How it's grown. And you can have many experiences on a. On a day of Gay Pride, good and bad. But the best part about it is walking around the fair, cruising other guys with your shirt off and in that beautiful California sun.

[Robert Reeves]

Yeah, I second that, Mick. I think that's part of the glory of it, too.

[Mick McPeterson]

Yeah.

[Jesse Martin]

And I always did that with my body. No, I lusted, and I still do it. Muscles.

[Mick McPeterson]

Well, like I said, you know, the first Gay Pride event I attended, I ended up meeting a lot of people. But a door introduced me to another door, which. And that's how gay life proceeds. You know, it's like this big network. But it's some of the contacts that you make at an event like this that can change the directory of your life.

[Bill Lyons]

One of the things I appreciate about these events is just seeing the creativity of so many people in terms of what they're wearing and the way the floats are decorated and the marching units and everything. It's just being an artist, I appreciate that a lot.

[Mick McPeterson]

Maybe this is backtracking, but what are your favorite Pride event moments?

[Bill Lyons]

I have very vivid memories. Uh, oh, one in San Francisco in the late 1980s, my next door neighbor was part of a drag group known as the Balloon Girls. And they sponsored an entry afloat in the parade. And one year, Donnie asked me if I would like to drive the truck for the float. And I said I'd love to. And so it was this big Mack truck with a large flat bed, all decorated in balloons, of course. And I was a the crowd. And when I made that turn, I looked down Market street and it was a mass of people as far as the eye could see. And I think that year they estimated the crowd at over a million people.

[Robert Reeves]

Well, I have two memories also. One was in San Francisco and one in Palm Springs. And it was my first Pride Parade. I had a place on Market I could go to. Friends had a second story attorney's office. So I had a view from the top, and all of a sudden the earth started to shake. And.

[Bill Lyons]

That'S what it sounded like.

[Mick McPeterson]

And the building sway and the queens.

[Jesse Martin]

Are flying off those floats.

[Robert Reeves]

And all of a sudden all of these dikes on bikes came through. And I looked and there was all of them wearing black leather and in the back, I saw two lesbians. One of them was wearing white. And literally she was sitting on the lap of her partner who was driving the bike. And the closer she got, I realized she was also topless. And these two lesbians, how big were they? They were huge. They were absolutely huge. And these two lesbians facing each other. And the second, the second funniest thing that I ever saw. And it involved Bob, and it was in Palm Springs Pride.

[Mick McPeterson]

Oh, Lord.

[Robert Reeves]

And we've told this story before, but. But Bob was really having a good time very, very early in the morning. And all of a sudden just say, looked at Bob, who was standing there and he started sliding down the post.

[Jesse Martin]

So, no, no, no, no. He was sitting on the stool first and then he started bending over.

[Robert Reeves]

Oh, that's right. Then he started bending over. And we knew something was amiss. And they called 911. And all of a sudden the EMTs showed up, put Bob on a gurney, and for a while, Bob was part of the Palm Springs Pride parade on.

[Jesse Martin]

His way to the hospital.

[Robert Reeves]

On the way to the hospital.

[Bill Lyons]

And I was just waving at the crowd with a big smile on my face. I was very happy stoned at the time.

[Jesse Martin]

Yes.

[Robert Reeves]

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[Bill Lyons]

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[Jesse Martin]

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[Mick McPeterson]

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[Bill Lyons]

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[Mick McPeterson]

I would like to know personally what does pride mean to each of you? Or in other words, pride is what.

[Jesse Martin]

Just say, pride is freedom for me, and pride is freedom. Family, my new family.

[Robert Reeves]

Pride to me is allowing gay people to celebrate their identity and to affirm that they are worth something as a person.

[Bill Lyons]

For me, pride means feeling very relaxed and confident about who I am and, you know, being happy about it, feeling spiritually uplifted about who I am and not having any questions whatsoever at having made the wrong choice. Because it's not a choice.

[Mick McPeterson]

No, no. You know, I thought a little bit about what pride means, and I went back to when we were in Las Vegas last year and we were in the car waving at people because we were the grand marshals and we had a motorcycle escort from the Las Vegas Police Department. And you kind of think, oh, wow, we've really come a long way. And I realized I am standing on the shoulders of so many millions of queer people who sacrificed their lives for what we have today. I don't think we emphasize it that much because, you know, we stress the celebration and the joy. But that is a part of it, is that each of us in this room, the four of us, have sacrificed in some way as a queer person. If you want to understand gay pride, that's what gay pride is about. It's about the sacrifice of some peoples for their own lives. And those are the people of whom we stand upon their shoulders countless. Because we talk about the fact that, you know, pride began with a rebellion, with a riot. Well, how did this country begin? So, you know, our story here is as American as apple pie.

[Bill Lyons]

You referred to being last year's Las Vegas Pride Parade and being accompanied by a police escort. I recall There were probably 15 to 20 cops on motorcycles all around and behind us. And I remember having the thought at that time that when I first really started Participating in the gay world. In the late 60s, early 70s, police were arresting us simply for going into a gay bar. And now we were being escorted by a massive number of police. And that struck me as one of the biggest changes that have happened.

[Mick McPeterson]

Yeah, you know, I. The number of times I've been followed by the police after leaving a gay bar. You know, those days are really, at least here over in California. But I. You know, there are places in the world in which, you know, it's not only illegal, but, you know, it's. It's. Can be punishable by death. And I think we have to understand that that experience is also part of pride. You know, it's also about those who cannot speak. Yet. For me, the future of pride is. I hope to be surprised. The world that we grew up in doesn't exist anymore. Okay. You know, I mean, we're gonna be entering a world of, you know, machines deciding who we are, what we are, and when we're gonna do it, you know, and that's a big challenge ahead, and it's very different than the one we faced.

[Jesse Martin]

I hope it's still here with all the craziness going on. It bothers me, but I just hope it's still going.

[Robert Reeves]

I think another thing that's encouraging about pride is that it is slowly being celebrated around the world.

[Mick McPeterson]

Big.

[Robert Reeves]

And I think that's a big step forward.

[Bill Lyons]

I don't think there's any putting of the tiger back into the cage.

[Mick McPeterson]

The continuing struggle with this movement, it really belongs to another generation now. But you got to have friends. The feelings are so strong. You got to have friends to make the day last long had some friends but something came and took them away and from the dusk until the dawn Here is where I'll stay I've got to stay that's what pride is about.

[Jesse Martin]

Watch out. He's got a record tomorrow.

[Mick McPeterson]

What is the silver lining of celebrating pride?

[Robert Reeves]

I think pride itself is silver linings.

[Jesse Martin]

In what way?

[Robert Reeves]

We have marriages now which we never had before, and I just think we're making great progress.

[Mick McPeterson]

Well, I would say we have made great progress. And now comes the time to, as they say, secure the ground.

[Jesse Martin]

Yeah, just keep it. Keep your pride. Don't allow people to beat you down. Celebrate yourself and fight for yourself.

[Bill Lyons]

To me, the silver lining of gay pride, as exemplified by the pride celebrations and parades, is.

[Robert Reeves]

Just that.

[Bill Lyons]

This is what life is all about. It's a celebration of being.

[Jesse Martin]

Thanks for tuning in, folks. We hope to be back with more stories and lessons to share soon. But until then thanks for following along. Silver Linings is a production of iHeart's Ruby Studio in the Outspoken Network. We're your hosts Bill lyons, Jesse Martin.

[Bill Lyons]

McPeterson and Robert Reeves.

[Jesse Martin]

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[Mick McPeterson]

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[Bill Lyons]

No sweetener?

[Mick McPeterson]

I'm sweet enough I had some dreams they were clouds in my coffee, clouds in my car. You're so vain you probably think this song is about you're so vain you probably think this song is about you about you know what they think, who they're referring to.

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