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The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast
Hosted by Amy Wicks · EN
Honest stories, sacred rhythms, and wholehearted identity for every Enneagram Type.
What if the Enneagram wasn’t just a personality tool, but an invitation to transformation?
Welcome to The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast: The Enneagram for Real Life with your host, Amy Wicks, a certified Enneagram coach, author, and “guide by the side.”
Each week, you’ll find faith-based conversations, personal stories, and practical wisdom to help you live with more clarity, compassion, and courage. Together, we’ll explore how understanding your Enneagram Type can transform your relationships, strengthen your family rhythms, and deepen your walk with God.
Whether you’re new to the Enneagram or ready to go beyond the basics, this podcast will remind you that your starting point doesn’t have to be your stuck point.
Because the Enneagram shines the light, but Christ is the transformation.
💛 Subscribe for episodes that blend faith + story + strategy and discover what wholehearted living looks like in your real, everyday life.
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Running vs. Remaining | Understanding the Enneagram Type Seven with Heather Berg
Yesterday00:41:03Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailThe Enneagram Seven's instinct is to keep moving. More plans, more options, more yes. Yet underneath it all is a quiet, exhausting belief that if they slow down long enough, something painful will catch up with them.In this episode, Amy sits down with Heather Berg, a Wholehearted Enneagram Coach, trauma-informed practitioner, and Type Seven, to walk the Victim, Villain, Hero, Guide framework through the Seven's unique lens. Heather brings both her professional training and her own deeply personal story: betrayal trauma, a dark night of the soul, a season of chronic pain that literally stopped her in her tracks, and the retreat moment where Amy looked at her and said, "Heather, do you think you could be a Seven?" and then something clicked that felt like meeting herself for the first time in years.This episode is for every Seven who is tired of running and suspects there might be something worth finding if they stopped. It's also for everyone who loves a Seven and wants to understand what's really happening underneath the energy.In this episode:The Seven's victim role, which can look like "monkey" mind, hypervigilance, and the longing to know who will look after me?Why Sevens can't outwit, outlast, or outplay pain, but what happens when they finally stop tryingThe villain role: self-abandonment and how the reframing that protects you can also hurt the people closest to youHeather's betrayal trauma story and the moment she realized she'd been MIA to her own kidsPost-traumatic growth and the heart behind Heather's Created to Move coaching practiceThe fastest way to daybreak and why it means running toward the night, not away from itBig T, little T, and chronic T trauma, and why you don't have to have a dramatic story to feel lostHow to love and support the Seven in your lifeHeather Berg is a trauma-informed Wholehearted Enneagram Coach and founder of Created to Move.Learn more here:https://www.createdtomove.com/ Support the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
Transcribe →The Enneagram Seven and Reframing | A Seven's Wholehearted Journey with Amy Wicks
1w ago00:27:59Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailWholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Seven | Episode 2 of 4What happens when the Enneagram Seven's greatest superpower becomes the very thing keeping her from healing?In this episode, Amy Wicks moves from host to guest, sitting in the heartseat as her spiritual director and friend, Deanna Sudom, leads the conversation. It's one of the most personal episodes in the entire series.Amy shares how she finally recognized herself as a Seven, what she most wanted to avoid about it, and how her gift of reframing quietly became a form of spiritual bypassing, a way of rushing past pain that still needed tending. She talks about the year joy was her word, and how the Lord used it to form something far deeper and more rooted than she expected. About EMDR, grief, Dark Saturday, and the season, she sat in stillness for two to three hours at a time — not doing anything, just being held.If you're a Seven who has ever wondered what it costs to slow down (and what's waiting on the other side), this conversation is for you.In this episode:How Amy finally recognized herself as a Seven and why she quietly sat on it for a whileThe family member who made her not want to claim the typeReframing as a superpower and as a spiritual bypass, but learning the differenceThe year joy was her word, and what the Lord did with itWhat it actually felt like to slow down, grieve, and stayEMDR, Dark Saturday, and the U diagramAmy's season of stillness: waking early, sitting with an open Bible and a cup of coffee, being heldDeanna's reflection on five years of walking with Amy and what growth really looks likeA closing word to every Seven who has been told they're too muchDeanna Sudom is a spiritual director and co-teacher on the Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast.Connect with Deanna: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/deanna-sudomSupport the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
Transcribe →The Seven's Sacred Joy | FOMO, Fullness & Trusting God with Deanna Sudom
2w ago00:23:36Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailWholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Seven | Episode 1 of 4The Enneagram Seven's joy is real. It isn't performed or manufactured; it's a genuine gift, a way of seeing possibility when others feel stuck in what is.But underneath the enthusiasm, the packed calendar, and the endless yes is something worth paying attention to: a deep fear of being trapped in pain, a longing for satisfaction that keeps moving the goal line, and a reframing instinct that works beautifully... until Good Friday arrives and it doesn't.In this opening episode of the Wholehearted Enneagram Seven month, Amy sits down with spiritual director Deanna Sudom to lay the foundation for everything that follows. As a Four and a Seven respectively, they bring a unique lens; complementary opposites who have a lot to teach each other about what it means to go to the deeper places.Whether you're a Seven, love one, or are simply curious what joy looks like when it's willing to stay — this is your starting place.In this episode:The Seven's genuine gift of joy, and why it sometimes bounces into the wrong roomCore fear: being trapped in pain, limited options, and the FOMO that never quite lets upCore desire: fullness, aliveness, satisfaction, and why the goal line keeps movingGluttony as a Seven pattern and why the accumulation itself becomes exhaustingHow Sevens experience God through wonder, creativity, and abundanceWhere faith gets complicated: stillness, lament, and skipping Good Friday to get to resurrectionPsalm 46:10 and the Passion Translation; the scripture invitation Sevens need mostWhat growth asks of a Seven: staying, finishing, and trusting that presence is better than movementDeanna Sudom is a spiritual director and co-teacher on the Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast. Connect with Deanna: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/deanna-sudomSupport the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
Transcribe →The Eight's Sacred Directness | When God Redeems Your Strength with Alli Patterson
3w ago00:51:16Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailWholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Eight | Episode 4 of 4What if the very thing you were told was too much is exactly what God made you for?Alli Patterson is a teaching pastor, seminary-trained Bible teacher, and Enneagram Eight who spent years believing a lie: that her directness was harsh. That the way she communicated was a problem to be managed rather than a gift to be offered.In this conversation, Amy and Alli explore what it looks like for an Eight to come to the Bible, to come to God, and to receive, which, as Alli puts it, is both the most necessary and most unnatural posture for the Eight. From the Acts 12 moment that redeemed her directness as a mom, to the word God wouldn't stop saying to her across five journal pages, this episode is rich with scripture, story, and the kind of theological depth that only comes from someone who has lived it.Whether you're an Eight, love one, or are trying to figure out how to reach one, this is the conversation you needed.In this episode:Why Alli resisted the Enneagram for years and what finally made her take it seriouslyHow an Eight naturally reads Scripture and the gift that comes with itThe Acts 12 story that redeemed Alli's directness as a parentThe one word God kept repeating to her across five journal pagesWhy receiving is both the most necessary and most difficult posture for an EightHow to love, coach, or parent an Eight — and why trust has to come firstWhat Alli's Spirit-Led Bible Study offers and how it was born from her own Eight journeyAlli Patterson is a teaching pastor at Crossroads Church in Cincinnati and the author of Spirit-Led Bible Study.Connect with Alli here: https://www.allipatterson.com/Get the Spirit-led Bible Study here >>>Support the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
Transcribe →Protection vs. Control | Understanding the Enneagram Type Eight with Melanie Erickson
4w ago00:41:33Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailWholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Eight | Episode 3 of 4Every Eight starts out protecting something. A wound, a person they love, or a standard of justice no one else seems to care about enough.But protection has a shadow side (and when it tips into control), the armor that was meant to keep people safe starts to push them away instead.In this episode, Amy sits down with Melanie, a Type Eight Canadian farmer, grandmother of almost 12, and certified Wholehearted Enneagram Coach, to walk through the Victim, Villain, Hero, and Guide framework through the lens of the Eight. Melanie is direct, funny, and disarmingly honest about her own journey through each of these roles, including the parts that weren't pretty.This conversation is for every Eight who has ever thrown something, gone silent when they meant to speak, or wondered why vulnerability feels like open heart surgery without anesthesia. And it's for everyone who loves an Eight and wants to understand what's actually happening underneath.In this episode:Where Eights get stuck in the victim role and why it shows up as withdrawal as often as angerWhen protection becomes control: the Eight's villain storyWhat it actually took for Melanie to step into vulnerability, and why she went face-to-face right awayThe hero moment: naming feelings, finding safety, and letting someone inHow Eights move into the guide role and how they learn to hold space without overpoweringThe lie Melanie carried for decades: "If it's gonna be, it's up to me."Why Melanie calls herself a champion, not a challengerConnect with Melanie: https://www.abidebydesign.ca/Support the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
Transcribe →The Enneagram Eight and Burnout | An Eight's Wholehearted Journey with Melodie Kenniebrew
Apr 1400:34:48Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailWholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type 8 | Episode 2 of 4What does transformation actually look like for an Enneagram Eight?Not softer. Not smaller. Not less.In this episode, Amy talks with Melodie, a Type Eight, certified Wholehearted Enneagram Coach, and someone who has done the kind of honest, courageous inner work that changes everything. Melodie shares what it looked like to finally stop filling her plate as a way of avoiding what she couldn't control, what it cost her to keep pushing through when her body was telling her to stop, and how she's learning to trust God's timing when her instinct is to do everything herself, now.Her story will feel familiar if you've ever stayed up 48 hours to finish something that didn't need to be done. If you've ever said hallelujah when someone canceled on you, but couldn't bring yourself to cancel on them. If you've ever wondered whether your strength is carrying you or driving you.This conversation is warm, honest, and full of the kind of specific detail that only comes from someone who's actually done the work.In this episode:Why Melodie resisted the Eight label and what finally made it clickThe navy jet metaphor that reframes what Eight strength actually looks likeThe pattern of doing, doing, doing, and what it was really covering upHow chronic illness became an unexpected invitation to surrenderLearning to wait, rest, and trust God's timing as a Type EightThe "hallelujah when they cancel" story that perfectly captures the Eight's hidden struggleWhat Melodie would tell an Eight who's just starting this journeyYour strength is a gift, and you don’t have to carry everything alone.Connect with Melodie Kenniebrew here:https://www.melodiek.com/Support the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
Transcribe →The Eight's Tender Strength | Power, Vulnerability & Trusting God with Deanna Sudom
Apr 700:31:33Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailWhen Eights Finally Trust: Power, Vulnerability & Faith with Deanna SudomWholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Eight | Episode 1 of 4What if the most powerful person in the room is also the most guarded, and for very good reason?Enneagram Eights are often misread as bulldozers. The memes paint them as intense, controlling, and hard to be around. But underneath that strength is something most people never get close enough to see: one of the most tender, loyal, justice-driven hearts in the entire Enneagram.In this episode, Amy sits down with spiritual director and co-teacher Deanna Sudom to open the Wholehearted Enneagram Eight month. Together they explore what's really driving the Eight's intensity, why vulnerability feels so costly to them, and what it looks like when an Eight finally learns to trust God, others, and themselves.Both Amy and Deanna are raising Enneagram Eight daughters, which means this conversation comes with a level of tenderness and firsthand insight you won't find in a meme.Whether you're an Eight, love an Eight, or just need to access your inner Eight this season, this episode is for you.In this episode:What most people miss about the Eight's assertiveness and angerThe core fear driving the Eight's need for control and what they're really longing forFalse scripts the Eight might believe, and the voice of love that counters each oneWhy vulnerability feels like weakness to an Eight and why that's worth examiningHow Eights experience God, where they connect, and where they resistThe spiritual practice that can shift everything: naming vulnerability out loudA scripture that reframes weakness as the very place God's power shows upDeanna Sudom is a spiritual director and co-teacher on the Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast.https://www.simplywholehearted.com/deanna-sudomhttps://www.capstonefreedomcoaching.com/Support the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
Transcribe →The Nine's Sacred Desire | Why Your Wants Matter to God with Marilyn Vancil
Mar 3100:41:26Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailThe Nine's Sacred Desire | Why Your Wants Matter to God with Marilyn VancilWholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Nine | Episode 4 of 4Do your desires actually matter to God, or are you supposed to keep setting them aside?For Enneagram Nines, that question cuts deep. When your default is to merge, accommodate, and keep the peace, knowing what you even want can feel impossible. And trusting that God cares about those wants? Even harder.In this conversation, Amy sits down with Marilyn Vancil, Enneagram author, spiritual director, and fellow Nine, to explore the sacred journey of desire for the Type Nine. They unpack why Nines struggle to identify and claim their desires, how the distorted longing for union can pull a Nine right out of herself, and what it looks like to surrender to God without disappearing in the process.Marilyn also shares a personal and surprisingly vulnerable moment about the "mirage," a word that stopped her cold when she encountered it in her own story.Whether you're a Nine trying to figure out what you actually want, or you love a Nine and want to understand them better, this episode will meet you with patience, depth, and a lot of grace.In this episode:Why Nines have a "vague sense of self" and what that has to do with desireThe three subtypes of the Nine and how desire shows up differently in eachWhy stubbornness in a Nine is actually a red flag worth paying attention toThe John the Baptist misquote that keeps Nines small, and the truth that sets them freeHow to love a Nine well when they're learning to claim what they wantResources: Self to Lose - Self to Find: A Biblical Approach to the 9 Enneagram Types Beyond the Enneagram: An Invitation to Experience a More Centered Life with GodSupport the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
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Peace vs. Peacekeeping | Understanding the Enneagram Type Nine with Jilann Carlson
Mar 2400:34:06Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailWhere do Type 9s get stuck, and how do they move forward?Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Nine | Episode 3 of 4In this episode, Amy and Jilann (a Type 9 and Wholehearted Coach for quiet leaders) walk through the four roles that show up in the Nine's journey: Victim, Villain, Hero, and Guide.You'll discover: Where Nines get stuck in Victim energy (and why conflict feels like a personal threat) How Villain energy shows up as passive-aggression and quiet stubbornness What it looks like when a Nine steps into Hero energy and claims their voice The difference between being a peacekeeper (avoiding conflict) and a peacemaker (creating true peace) The False Script vs. Voice of Love for Type 9 Practical answers to real questions: How do I know if I'm actually a 9? How do I help my Nine spouse? What's the first step toward growth?This episode gives you the framework for understanding the Nine's journey—whether you're in the middle of it or just beginning.If you're a Nine, you'll hear that wherever you are in this journey, feeling unheard, struggling with resentment, taking your first brave steps, or learning to sustain your voice, you're exactly where you need to be.You don't have to have it all figured out. Just take the next right step.Your presence brings peace. You don't have to go along to belong.Connect with Jilann Carlson here: https://www.jilenneagram.com/Listen to her Strength in Numbers Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/strength-in-numbers-an-enneagram-centered-podcast/id1638164115Support the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
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From Going Along to Showing Up | A Nine's Wholehearted Journey with Meredith
Mar 1700:36:34Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailWholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type 9 | Episode 2 of 4What does transformation actually look like for an Enneagram Nine?In this episode, Amy talks with Meredith Davis, an Enneagram 9 who's been walking the Wholehearted Transformation Journey. Meredith shares honestly about the moment she stopped using the Enneagram as an excuse ("this is just how I am") and started doing the deeper work.You'll hear about: Why Meredith initially mistyped herself and how she finally landed on Type 9 The breaking point that made her realize she couldn't stay stuck anymore The surprising stubbornness of Type 9 (and how it shows up sideways) How her faith journey intersected with learning to find her voice A birthday story that perfectly illustrates what it looks like to claim agency as a Nine The practice of gratitude vs. rumination (and why Nines need this distinction) What she'd tell a Nine who's just starting this journeyThis isn't about having it all figured out. It's about taking brave steps, stumbling, growing, and discovering that your starting point doesn't have to be your stuck point.If you're a Nine (or you love one), Meredith's story will help you see that speaking up doesn't destroy connection, it creates the kind of honest relationship you've been longing for.Your presence brings peace. You don't have to go along to belong.Thank Meredith, for sharing her story: email: meredith.irene.davis@gmail.comInstagram: meredith_irene_davis Support the showRESOURCES FOR YOU:Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wickshttps://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicksNot sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquizEnnea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram(free course + printables)https://bit.ly/Enneagram101GuideConnect with Amy:IGWebsite
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