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Host
Hey guys, welcome back to Anarchy. Today is a very special episode because we're going to be learning all about, you know, hair and the industry of professional hair design and, you know, all of those wonderful things that we don't really get to hear about. It's kind of a backstage interview because we have such a wonderful guest with us who is truly a guru in this space. So without further ado, please welcome Dimitri Giannaros. Welcome, Dimitri. I'm so excited to host you.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Hi. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here with you today.
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Host
Yeah, no, I'm very excited to chat with you because you're truly, you know, an expert in your field and, you know, you've worked with so many amazing, influential people and your work is so influential and I can't wait to dive into that, especially from like a career standpoint.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Right.
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Host
Because there's not enough here education, you know, for people who want to go into this field and they want to learn more about that. But I would love to start with you, Demetri, if you can tell us about your background and what led you down this route for your career.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Yes, my background. Oh my gosh. From where to start? I'm from Greece, from a small town in Greece called Thessaloniki. I went to the beauty school in such a young age. I was 15, almost 16. Funny story because growing up in a small town in Greece, like, you know, that queer community, it's still a thing. It was, but I have a feeling it's still a thing. Like for example, a little boy to want to be in the beauty world. It was kind of a red flag at the time. And so I lied to my dad. I told him, I think I want to go to a barbering school to open a barber shop in my little village. He's like, oh, that's a great idea. Of course, when I went to the beauty school and never pursued the barbering even I have some of the most beautiful and amazing boy clients. But yeah, the goal is to pursue my career in hairstyling. And yeah, so I went at such a young age and I moved to Athens and is the capital city in Greece. I was there 12 years and I had a really nice career, like end up being the ambassador for l', Oreal, doing all these amazing covers for Vogue magazine, Greece. And I was 29 at the time. I was like, okay, what's next? What should I do with my life and career? And my best friend at the time had moved to New York and she's like, why are you, you're not coming here? And it was really, really hard decision because I was at the peak of my career in Greece and I was like, you know what, I'll do it. I don'. Have regrets in life. And yeah, I took the decision, I moved to New York. But I'm very fearless in life. I was like, I feel, and this is an advice I want to give to people. If you want to succeed in life, you have to risk. Without the risk, you don't go any or you just stay in your comfort zone and you have the limit in your career, in your life. Not always the, the risk is going to be positive. It's going to take you somewhere good, but at least you try. If you have built the foundation, you're going to go back and you're going to be still safe. The only way to move forward in life and have new things come your way.
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Host
No, that's so true. I love that you said that and I, you know, I really love that you speak from this place of you've really built your own way, you know, in this industry. Because I think a lot of times when we look at the, you know how hard it is for non conventional people to make a name for themselves. I mean, I just find it to be. It's. I mean, it's daunting, you know, for me, even looking at this and seeing it. And so from that perspective, I mean, when was the first time, you know, in your career where you realized, you know, this is going to be. This is going to be hard? Like, you know, I got to. I got to make a name for myself and, you know, what was that first hurdle that you encountered?
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Dimitri Giannaros
I came from a place of, like, being successful in my field on. In even it was a. It's a. Greece is a small country, but still, like, I was successful. I made it in my industry. I have tasted how that feels. And when I moved to New York, first, First of all, it was very, very hard because, again, I'm very fearless. But I wasn't speaking any English. I always had a way to communicate. If I wanted to go, like, to a coffee shop or a restaurant, I would find my way to communicate, but that was a completely different story. It was like, I'm. I moved my life here. I was trying to put my. Myself out there and, like, find an agency to get a representative. I wanted to take some meetings and I couldn't communicate. I remember the first time for the models at the time had hair and makeup department, and they asked me to go to a meeting. And I had this friend of mine put an email in perfect English like, hey, this is my work, blah, blah, blah. And because I had a really nice portfolio, so everybody asked to see me on a meeting, to take a meeting with me. And I remember I went there, they put me in this big meeting room, and they're like, okay, Dimitri, tell us about yourself. And I was like, my name is Dimitri.
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Host
I can imagine how. How it would be. I mean, I think, like, you know, when it comes to hair, this is the most fascinating part for me is that I think this is like the universal love, language and beauty when I look at hair, you know, and that's why I'm so fascinated by your work, because obviously you've worked with the most a list celebrities. I mean, your work speaks for itself, you know, your art speaks for itself. And that's where I. I'm so fascinated by what you. By what you've accomplished. Because I think when it comes to hair, like, I'm Indian, you know, by heritage, and you know how much we love our ha. So it's like, I spent so much of my life focusing on this, and I realized, you know, even from a beauty perspective that, like, we all connect in some way when it comes to hair, you know, we can have. We can sit down over a cup of coffee and talk all day about hair. And that's what I would love to hear from you. Like, what in your opinion? Like, what is truly, like, what does beauty really mean to you when you look at the that word and what it right now? Like, the way society is and the way that we're perceiving ourselves. Like, what does that mean for you, especially when you're approaching your work and working with such high impact clients.
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Dimitri Giannaros
It's what defines the personality to a person, is what, like create the. The personality, make someone feel confident, make someone feel pretty. I see if someone. They don't have a good hair day is like kind of the. Their mood is gonna change. So yes, I understand. It's like very, very, very personal and it's what gives me joy. Like, I want to do to my client my, my best. And I see themselves in the mirror. When they feel themselves, they feel good. They're gonna have a smile in their face or people are happy or people feel sexy. People feel like it sets the tone. I feel the hair. For me, of course, it's the same with makeup and the same with clothes or your nails especially. Hair is the. The element completes the look. Even with a celebrities going to a red carpet, if they have the most amazing outfit and the nicest makeup is not right, something is off. Like, they're not gonna have the confidence they want. It really inspires me, like, also having all these huge people, like, trust me with their, like, with their looks in such big moments. Like it also the pressure is very high. Ahmed Gala, Gigi Hadid. Like, because she's gonna be out there, she's gonna be like, if I don't do a good job and the hair looks not good, she's gonna be the one be jazzed, like, oh, how she looks like that, like, why her hair is like that. Obviously this is gonna have a big impact on me, but I want to make sure, like, I keep all my clients happy.
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Host
I love that and I love the looks you create. I follow you on Instagram and I'm always like in awe. Like, you make the most beautiful styles and you, you create the most beautiful styles. And I, I'm always like, curious, you know, when I see at your caliber, I wonder what's your favorite genre or like maybe time period when it comes to inspiration for your styling.
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Dimitri Giannaros
To be honest, I'm always thinking out of the box. I feel the decades repeat themselves over and over. And it's something I like about it because the hair is I like the hair. I like is to be timeless. When you see pictures a day, I want to be like, you see the same picture in 20 years and feel good about it, because some people follow these trends, and the trends sometimes can be a little aggressive. And then you see yourself in a picture in 10 years, you're like, oh, my gosh. Why they let me go out the house? I feel this amazing era of the 40s, the 50s, the 60s. Those are my favorite decades. But I'm always even. I follow a. I'm gonna do a retro hairstyle. I'm always gonna try to put a modern twist. I want to make it mine. I want to make it cool. Because it's very tricky when you follow. When we try to copy a look from the 40s or like something we did with Gigi at the Met Gala this year, always gonna make it modern because it's such a fine line.
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Host
I love that. I love that. And I. I think it really shines through, you know, in your work. I. I think it's. For me, you know, I've always loved the look. Like, from the 60s, the 50s. I've always been kind of obsessed with that era when it comes to even, like, editorial. You know, I used to be that girl that was clipping magazines, and you know what I mean? So I've always loved it. But it's such a hard style, I feel like, to replicate because, you know, it doesn't look good on everybody, and especially if you don't know what you're doing. I mean, what are some of the biggest, I guess, hurdles that you see people might deal with when they're trying to recreate looks from, like, past decades.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Here's the thing. You have to think the tools they had back in the day and the. The tools they used to use to create these images, like, back in the day, everything would be with rollers, like, with hot rollers. Like, that would. The technique they would use to achieve these looks. Not that you have to use the hot rollers today, but you have to kind of use the same technique with a hotel. So, yeah, like, it's different techniques, and it's something. You have to have the foundation because. Another advice I want to give to upcoming new hair stylist. Some people, they start their career now, and they're so focused just to learn to do the new trends. The hair is now, but you have to have the foundation. When you start your career, you have to learn everything. You have to learn to do the classic hair. You're not going to do it in everyday life. But you can use the foundation of it and, and make it yours, make it modern. So if something is going to separate you from the rest, because you see, everybody now is like the clean girl hair look, which is beautiful and I love it. And it's like something everybody wants these days. But if the trend is going to change next year and everybody wants to have like, let's say the 60s buffon with the volume and like flip Bob and you have to have the skills and it's something you have to practice for it.
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Host
Right? No, it makes sense, actually. And, you know, I'm curious, like, when you're getting into the zone, right, whether it's for campaign shoot or for red carpet, what does your creative process look like? I mean, do you have a storyboard? Is it intuitive? How does that work?
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Dimitri Giannaros
It's always a team work. It depends the. The situation. And I'm a team player always. I like to create the loop taking as a consideration others opinions. What has to do with a celebrity? Let's say they go into a red carpet. There are many people usually involved. It's going to be a stylist, it's going to be sometimes a creative director, it's going to be the makeup artist. So we all going to put the. Our opinions down. But for me, end of the day, the most important opinion is my clients, because I want them, they're going to be out there. I want them to feel their best, to feel confident because their picture, their image, video is going to be out there forever. So if they don't feel good, if it's some decision I made with the rest of the team and they don't feel good in this hair, then is. Is not right. Again, when it has to do before shoot, the photographer is going to be involved, the creative director of the magazine. So always many people involved.
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Host
I love that. That's. That's really cool. And, you know, I think it's really relevant for upcoming stylists and anyone wanting to come into the field because I think, you know, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like your creative process has to be very central to what you're doing and it has to be something that you're, you know, kind of rooted in. So whenever you approach a new client, you know, yeah, you have to know, right, like where you're coming from. So, like, I'd love to get your advice about this for anyone listening that's in the field or wants to come into the field about how to find that creativity in themselves and not just copy what they see, you know, like out there in media or social media, but rather, like, create something unique that's true to them, but it's also true to, like, exactly what you were saying. True to their client, true to a new vision. But it's still kind of incorporating, you know, inspiration from old things.
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Dimitri Giannaros
You just have to be open. You have to look at everything. Like, to me, I'm going to get inspired from being on the subway, for example, to see, like, how this cool young generation like to wear the hair. Going to take an inspiration of Runway, which most of my inspiration comes from there. Like, and I'm fortunate enough to be to have worked in the past with Guido Palo, which is, like, he's a creative genius. He's the hairstylist in our era has created more the most iconic look. So I was a part of his team for a few years, and it's where I learned fashion. So always fashion for me is very important. I'm always gonna CEO of Vogue magazine or an editorial shoot or, like, I'm going to get inspired from everywhere, but I never going to copy the exact look. Going to make it my own. I'm going to, like, add one element from this look, one element from the other look. But you have. You have to treat every client different. I think a mistake people do is, like, trying to. They have in their catalog four hairstylists. Straight, a ponytail, the clean girl hair, mid part of a low band. And then they're gonna do the same hair to all the clients. This is a big, big no, no, no. Because every face is different. Every. Every head shape is different. Like, there are. Yes, the trend is mid part, but, like, not everybody can pull a mid part. There are people very hands on their hair. Like, I do Demi Moore, and she's hands on, like, and she loves to play with her hair. And she has. Oh, my gosh, guys, this lush is gorgeous hair. So I'm gonna be cautious if I'm gonna make, like, a look. Like, she cannot touch the hair. So I'm gonna approach here the hair I'm gonna do to them a different than I'm doing to Kim Kardashian. Literally, the way you're gonna set her hair, one hair is not gonna move out the way. I admire her so much. I did the look with some banks. I remember one time, and one of the one hair was poking her eyelashes. And I would go personally crazy if I have something poking my eyelashes. She was so patient. She's like, can I move this hair from here? It's gonna ruin your look. I was like, oh, my gosh, of course. So you have to have different approach to every client, create what fits their aesthetic, their style. Also speaking of that, like always, you have to read the room. You have to understand, because our work and our is not only to do beautiful hair is to have an understanding what fits to everyone. And for example, for me, I'm working with such a big genre of different clients, like from the lawyers, from the supermodels, from the pop stars, actresses. So everybody has different needs, but it's me. Have to understand what I have to suggest or have to propose to do for the look. Read the room is such such an important key to work with these people and succeed.
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Host
That's so interesting. And I've always wondered, like, what goes behind that? Like, when you're working with someone like Kim Kardashian, like, do you just, like, come in for her glam and then you. You go with whatever feels good to you, or does she, like, kind of guide you as to what she wants? I mean, how does that whole process work for those of us who have no idea?
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Dimitri Giannaros
Yeah, it's again. It's again, a teamwork. It's like something like symbols. She's gonna come and she's gonna be like, oh, shall we do that? What do you think? She's the nicest human being. Like, she's again, always gonna ask your opinions. She's gonna trust my opinion. So, again, if it's a big project, it's gonna be, as I said before, like a stylist involved or a creative director involved. And it's always teamwork. But again, I'm always gonna give the final saying. I'm gonna ask my client, do you feel good about. Like, I'm gonna finish the hair. I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask them, how do you feel? I want them to feel good. I want to see themselves in the mirror and feel good about it. And you have to have no ego, because some people take it so personally. And, like, if the client doesn't like, it doesn't mean you did a bad job.
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Host
Right.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Just don't feel it some. Sometimes myself, I do my hair. I do every day, and I wake up one morning, and I'm gonna be like, oh, I don't feel this hearing. It's the same I had yesterday. So it's not I did a bad job on my hair. It's just like, I. That my mood is different. So I want to make sure, like, they feel good in the hair I did to them. And then that for me, that's the most important.
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Host
So my curiosity is also in this idea of like, you know, how like everybody has their everyday kind of hair look like, you know, it's like whether it's a blowout, whether it's, you know, curls every day, what is like, what is your like, I guess, recommendation for when we're trying to figure out like what's a good everyday go to for us? I mean, do you suggest like ease when it comes to like the tools we're using or I mean, what, what's your take on that in terms of how we can find our routine hair hairstyle, again is.
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Dimitri Giannaros
It depends the age. The hair texture is so many different aspects. But my overall answer I'm gonna give you is try to keep her hair simple. People get so confused like trying to be very creative. And if sometimes you don't have the knowledge, the results are the opposite than being good. And always some things looks very simple. But simplicity is more elegant and more chic than doing something more creative. Like a ponytail. It's so clean, beautiful, elegant, classy and timeless. If you want to follow the trend, maybe don't do a slick back ponytail. Do like with a little mid part. Like you can adjust some things if you want. Or like there are people, they don't their face to be very exposed. You can leave a little small piece of hair in the front. So there are things you can adjust. But always I feel a ponytail is like my go to suggestion for everyone. Or like as I mentioned before, the clean girl one, just do a beautiful sleek bun if you have like a beautiful Afro, like leave your afro, like it's so beautiful. I love like everyone keeps their hair their natural texture. So not always I have to be like a blow dry with like many hot tools. Sometimes leave your natural texture, but define your natural texture instead of transform your natural texture.
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Host
That makes so much sense. I love that because, you know, I see a lot of times hair is one of those areas of beauty where like culture plays such a big role, in my opinion, in terms of like, you know, how you obviously how you perceive culture, but then also how the world is allowing you to express your culture. Right. And I feel like this really applies to women of color, you know, people of color because we, we come from such different backgrounds. Right? So exactly what you said, like you have a beautiful afro, you shouldn't be scared to shine and, and have, you know, I think that's such a huge, huge point because I mean, I told you, like I'm Indian for Me for a long time, I was always trying to like, do something with my hair that fit into the crowd, you know, even though my strands are thicker. Right. So if you look at like Caucasian hair, you know this.
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Dimitri Giannaros
But like exactly 100%, I didn't know.
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Host
What to do, you know, So I struggled with that.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Yeah, that, that's. That's my advice. Like, try to highlight your natural texture, to define your natural texture instead of transform. Always there going to be mean, you're going to be bored. Like you want to be something different. But we fall in this trap just trying to follow a trend. Like people, I feel, just sometimes get trapped to this just to follow a trend. And why you have to create your own trend.
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Host
Right? You do. That's so real. I love that. And I think that's also, like, it feeds into your confidence so much. Right. It's like when you find your vibe and like what looks good on you, it's like absolutely a confidence boost. Like your next level.
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Dimitri Giannaros
You own it. You are the trend. Like, make that happen and inspire other people.
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Host
Right now I have to ask you, Demetri, because I have to know, like, what are your go to products? Like, things you've been like, things that have always been in your kit, you know, or like for a long time you've used these products. Anything you can like kind of share with us.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Oh my. That's my go to. Literally. If you're gonna drop me in an island with nothing, I'm always, I'm always gonna take with me the lnet by l'. Oreal Paris is like the old school. Like, you know, the smell I. I grew up with, like my mom was using it. It most iconic hairspray. And it's the hairspray literally in every fashion week backstage Runway, it's the hairspray every everyone is using because it's like so easy to use. It has it's long lasting and then it's not heavy, it's not sticky. So I really love helmet also. I love because so many women suffer with the gray hair and you don't have the time to go to the the hair salon every nine days. Some people have so many gray hair, like every nine days, they need to do a touch out. Laurel Paris has this device called color sonic, which you can like kind of touch up your grace and you don't have to waste like a, a whole box because sometimes you just want to do your hairline. So yeah, it's this device. It does it all itself. And like, you save so much money, but don't wasting like a brand new hair color. So it's the perfect device between the color appointments of the. The hair salon. And of course this root touch up sprays from l' Oreal Paris. Again, because you just spray on the roots and go even sometimes you want to do us. I said the ponytail, like our hairline has so many gaps and you just feel a little the hairline.
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Host
That's so I love that I'm going to find all these products because I have a. I have a big graying problem. Like I grade very early in my life, so I'm always like trying to find, find new ways to like deal with that. I think that graying hair is such a thing because women really struggle with this. Like I feel like when you start graying, I mean everybody. I keep saying women, but it's everybody. We have like this idea that when you're 70, that's when you start growing. But no, it's like nowadays everybody's starting to get gray hair faster, you know.
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Dimitri Giannaros
So yeah, my best friend, like I started having a gray hair when she was 24. And also gray hair, you know, can be like a stress shock the body can have. And all of a sudden like you wake up and you have so many gray hair years. It's like. Yeah, it's so unpredictable, right?
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Host
No, absolutely no. I want to, you know, really kind of round things out and like get you to give us some advice for all of the wonderful people out there that might need advice on how to navigate this industry, you know, when it comes to either anything, right. Like politics, egos pace, you know, while they're trying to figure out how to establish themselves. Like any career advice you could offer.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Of course, like, because it's something I learned the hard way by myself. Moving again from Greece here is like something such, such a competitive industry. I was kind of spoiled being just first in my industry, on top of the world in Greece. And when I came here, I was like, oh my gosh, there are like thousands of talented people and how you're gonna highlight yourself out there, like how you're gonna be the one is gonna. Clients gonna want to book you. I realized you just have to be true to yourself. You have to stay authentic. Because again, as we said before, people try always to copy something and like, no. When the original exists, why people want to use the copy. Have no ego. Ego takes no one nowhere. I don't know. We grew up in a society. If someone give us an advice or try to tell us something for some reason, which I Find is very silly. We wanna give them a back talk and tell them like we know something better. Which this doesn't take you anywhere. Honestly, listen to everyone and like even you don't agree, just go home, think what they told you and keep 5% of what they told you. And end of the day you're gonna win in life. Because if you think you know everything and you're, you're close to any new information, any new advice, this is going to take you anywhere. You're just going to stay in the same level for the rest of your life. Life, listen to people and read the room. You have to adjust yourself in every different situation, every different client. And like when I'm asking, when I'm looking for a new assistant, the first thing I'm gonna ask, read the room. Because I find it very important. And work hard because there are such hard work people in the new generation. But like I feel the majority and this comes from a place of the young generation grew up with Internet and social media and everything. So everything everyone feels has access to everything. And you see in an influencer, do makeup to themselves. And they're like, oh, I can do makeup, I'm a makeup artist. No, you have to put the work down. You have to go through the hard route to learn. And so yeah, like now I'm like kind of quite in a good place in my career. I'm established. Like I'm working more than neighbor. Like you have to put the work down. Nothing is gonna come way if you just expect other people to do it for you. You have to do it yourself end of the day.
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Host
I love that, I love that you're, you're really kind of putting that out there and sending that message because I couldn't agree with you more. I think a lot we live in a time now where everyone wants immediate gratification, you know, in their careers. They're like, okay, immediately, overnight I should be a success. And it's just not possible. Like, you know, no matter what industry you're in, you're going to have to put in the long hours, you know, just like you said, like the hard work work, you know.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Exactly. And be passionate. Be if you're passionate. And I saw an interview also Oprah gave, it was so accurate because they asked her why you think people don't succeed. And she said like, because people don't know where they're gonna go. And it's so true. People with strong vision and they know what they want to do in life no matter what. Like that you're gonna take sometimes the, the path is not going to be always easy, but you have a clear vision. End of the day, you're like, I want to do that. I always knew what I want to do. I always want, knew. I want to be eventually in America and work with these amazing people. And yeah, I found my way to be there. There are people still confused. They're gonna, someone gonna come their way. They're gonna be like, ah, why you don't try this? And they're gonna be like, oh, you're right, that's a good idea. I'll try this. And then they go out of their way, so. And then they get lost.
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Host
Right. They don't stick to the path.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Like, yeah, you have to stay focused. That's. That's key.
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Host
Well, Dimitri, this has been amazing and I am such a fan of your work. I mean, truly create the most iconic. No, you do. You make, make the most iconic. You create the most iconic styles. And I'm always, like, in awe of, you know, everything you post. I, I'm always following you. And so I, I really just thank you for your, your wisdom here and for, for chatting with us today. It's been so lovely.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Of course, of course. It was a beautiful. I'm so grateful you have me and yeah, hopefully we're gonna get to do that again.
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Host
I would love that. I would love that. Yeah. If your schedule allows, we gotta do a part two.
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Dimitri Giannaros
Yes, yes.
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