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Michelle and Ceruti each draft 25 states from America to form new countries. Which state is the biggest boom or bust in this draft? Which state is sneaky cerebral? Which state is Mr. Irrelevant? Find out the answers, and see who was able to construct the greatest new country. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michelle and Ceruti did their podcast homework, and give their movie reviews of “Goodfellas” and “The Big Lebowski” … plus, they conduct a compelling interview with someone who had an affair. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ceruti has a big update from quarantine + Michelle and Steve catch up with ESPN’s Will Cain. They ask Will to curate a dinner party with media members, how he deals with social media hate, and about his future at ESPN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michelle and Ceruti spend far too much time talking about the hit reality dating series Love is Blind. We’re talking way, way too much time. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michelle Smallmon gives a personal tribute to Kobe Bryant, plus an interview and listener Q & A with Steve's wife, Maddy Ceruti. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In Part 2 of this month’s chat with Ceruti, he and Michelle close out the year with a new edition of 10,000 Frogs, and a “Cool, No One Cares” All-Decade Team. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In Part 2 of this month’s conversation with Ceruti, Michelle and Steve wonder ... wtf is a VSCO Girl? Is Drake actually Nelly 2.0? Did Michelle have a terrible childhood because she didn’t play videogames?… Plus, they play a new game called Gucci or Cringey. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In Part 1 of this month’s conversation with Ceruti, Michelle and Steve wonder … have we closed the book on baths? Is Steve’s ancestor a French murderer? Is the Rock the League Leader in stupid movies being made? Plus … they go through the archives and rate past winners of People’s Sexiest Man Alive Award. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In Part 2 of Michelle’s chat with Ceruti, things take a deeper turn, as they contemplate when morning starts and the night ends, soulmates, and the perfect mimosa ratio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Our guy Steve Ceruti is back! In Part 1 of their convo, Michelle and Ceruti talk about bad Halloween costumes, Tik Tok, souping up Subarus, and how someone becomes thicc. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices