#534 - Gone Like A Ghost - Pocomoke City, Maryland

Summary

Summary of "Small Town Murder" Episode #534 - Gone Like A Ghost: Pocomoke City, Maryland

Podcast Information:

• Title: Small Town Murder
• Hosts: James Pietragallo, Jimmie Whisman
• Description: Two comedians explore the intricacies of small-town life and delve into a specific murder case, combining thorough research with their unique comedic perspectives.
• Episode: #534 - Gone Like A Ghost - Pocomoke City, Maryland

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Overview

In episode #534 of Small Town Murder, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmie Whisman unravel the tragic and complex murder case of Christine Marie Shetty in Pocomoke City, Maryland. The episode meticulously chronicles Christine's disappearance, the ensuing investigation, community involvement, and the eventual resolution of the case, all while interweaving the hosts' trademark humor.

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Setting the Scene: Pocomoke City, Maryland

Population and Demographics:

• Population: Approximately 4,295
• Median Household Income: $45,781 (below the national average by ~$25,000)
• Median Home Price: $178,500

Community Attributes:

• Motto: "The Friendliest Town on the Eastern Shore"
• Historical Background:
  • Established in the late 17th century as Stevens Landing/Ferry.
  • Incorporated as New Town in 1865, renamed Pocomoke City in 1878, meaning "black water" from the American Indian name of the river.
  • Suffered a major fire in 1922 but was quickly rebuilt.
  • Transitioned from farming to the poultry industry in the 1900s, with additional employment opportunities in the Navy, Coast Guard, and NASA.

Community Sentiments:

• Mixed reviews highlight the tight-knit nature and friendliness but also point out drawbacks like rampant gossip and limited activities for youth, leading to potential delinquency.

Notable Quote:

"We have a lot of people who care about each other, which is great. But we also have those who think they are better than everyone else." — [James Pietragallo, 09:37]

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The Central Case: Disappearance of Christine Shetty

Background of Christine Shetty

• Date of Birth: December 22, 1980
• Age at Time of Disappearance: 27
• Family: Single mother of three (two sons aged 2 and 4, and a daughter)
• Residence: Living with her mother, Lynn Dodenhoff, involved in the family business.

Events Leading to Disappearance

• Date of Disappearance: November 13, 2007
• Circumstances:
  • Christine moves out after a dispute with her mother over the consumption of milk by her children.
  • Moves in with friend Tia Lynn Johnson and her family at a farmhouse on Bird Road, Pocomoke City.
  • The household comprises Tia, her ex-boyfriend Clarence "Junior" Jackson, and Tia’s 17-year-old cousin Justin Michael Hadl.

Notable Quote:

"Imagine having a full conversation with that person. This is the most frustrating motherfucker." — [James Pietragallo, 11:03]

Investigation Begins

• Initial Police Response:

  • Detective Robert Troutman leads the investigation, initially suspecting Christine might have voluntarily disappeared.
  • Police deem it unlikely to suspect foul play without evidence.

• Community and Family Efforts:

  • Lynn Dodenhoff initiates a $5,000 reward for information.
  • Community volunteers organize extensive search operations covering 67 acres of fields, woods, and swamp but find nothing substantial.

Notable Quote:

"If you don't give one fucking example of any thought, you have nothing." — [Jimmie Whisman, 10:56]

Introduction of Psychic Assistance

• Psychic Sisters Involvement:
  • Lynn reaches out to psychic sisters Suzanne Vincent and Jean Mackenzie Vincent, hoping their abilities will aid the search.
  • The sisters claim to have received visions pinpointing Christine’s location and details about her disappearance.

Notable Quote:

"We can't stop it. It's a gift and a curse. It's terrible." — [Suzanne Vincent, as relayed by James Pietragallo, 37:35]

Breakthrough: Junior Jackson’s Confession

• Arson Charge Leads to Revelation:
  • In March 2009, Junior Jackson is arrested in Tennessee for arson.
  • From his prison cell, Jackson informs Lynn that Justin Hadl confessed to murdering Christine out of jealousy over their sexual relationship.
  • Jackson details how Justin attacked Christine with a two-by-four and a knife, then helped bury her body at the River House Inn.

Notable Quote:

"I know where your daughter is." — [Junior Jackson, Letter, 48:20]

Trial and Convictions

• Justin Hadl’s Trial:

  • Charged with first-degree murder and other related crimes.
  • Tia Johnson testifies against Hadl, despite defense efforts to discredit her.
  • Verdict: Guilty of first-degree murder and assault.

• Sentencing:

  • Justin Hadl: Life in prison with 30 years suspended.
  • Tia Johnson: Convicted as an accessory after the fact, receiving a 15-year sentence with 7.5 years suspended.

Notable Quote:

"You sir, may fuck off. Life without parole." — [Judge, 66:14]

Community and Familial Impact

• Lynn Dodenhoff’s Struggle:

  • Continues to seek justice for her daughter.
  • Criticizes law enforcement for bias against her and her family's socioeconomic status.
  • Remains emotionally and mentally scarred by the ordeal.

• Psychic Sisters' Later Claims:

  • In 2016, the sisters appear on Investigation Discovery claiming to have solved the case through their abilities.
  • Law enforcement remains skeptical, stating their input did not significantly aid the investigation.

Notable Quote:

"Everything's near the water where boats come." — [Suzanne Vincent, Claiming Accurate Psychic Input, 63:53]

Additional Developments

• Family Tragedies and Legal Issues:
  • 2013: Christine’s 10th-grade son, Ezekiel, dies.
  • 2018: Prosecutor Beau Oglesby faces disciplinary action for inappropriate behavior.
  • 2021: Further legal adjustments with the "Shetty Bennett Act" increasing penalties for accessories after the fact.

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Conclusion

"Gone Like A Ghost" offers a haunting exploration of a small-town murder case, highlighting the interplay between community dynamics, flawed law enforcement perceptions, and the desperate measures taken by a grieving mother. The incorporation of psychics adds a controversial layer, questioning the efficacy and authenticity of unconventional investigative methods. Ultimately, the episode underscores themes of justice, societal bias, and the enduring impact of tragedy on a small community.

Final Thoughts from Host:

"She didn't deserve to die on my watch. She was a nice, decent person." — [Lynn Dodenhoff, 68:51]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

1. James Pietragallo [09:37]:

   "We have a lot of people who care about each other, which is great. But we also have those who think they are better than everyone else."

2. James Pietragallo [30:52]:

   "Christine may be things, and she may be this and that, but she's never going to abandon her kids and run away."

3. Judge [66:14]:

   "You sir, may fuck off. Life without parole."

4. Suzanne Vincent [37:35]:

   "We can't stop it. It's a gift and a curse. It's terrible."

5. Junior Jackson [48:20]:

   "I know where your daughter is."

6. Lynn Dodenhoff [68:51]:

   "She didn't deserve to die on my watch. She was a nice, decent person."

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Key Takeaways

• Community Dynamics: Small towns can foster tight-knit relationships but also breed significant biases and pressures.
• Law Enforcement Limitations: Socioeconomic status and community perceptions can influence the effectiveness and urgency of investigations.
• Psychic Involvement: The role of non-traditional methods in criminal investigations remains controversial and largely unproven.
• Justice System Flaws: Discrepancies in sentencing highlight potential inequities within the legal framework.

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Transcript

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[James Petra Gallo]

Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petra Gallo. I'm here with my co host.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm Jimmy Wisman.

[James Petra Gallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today. We have some wild stuff for you coming out of Maryland. A name of a city that I'm sure will pronounce incorrectly even though we looked up 18 pronunciations of it that are all different. So going with the reviews of them, who knows? Yeah, we did. We were looking at reviews of pronunciation. It's crazy. We'll get into a hard to pronounce city crazy case. It's all here today. We'll get to all of that. First of all, though, shut up and give me murder.com tickets for live shows. Kansas City, October 18th. Step up to the plate. You're up next. Next night in Oklahoma City is sold out but Kansas City, you guys still have some tickets left. So let's fill that bad boy up and do this. Get your tickets for the rest of the year as well, especially for the October 30th virtual live show. Oh my God, I can't wait. Just like a regular live show. All the pictures, all the comedy, all the murder. Except you get to stay wherever the hell you want to stay in your house or wherever you want to be. On your roof, in your front yard, in your car. Don't care if you got wifi. Enjoy. We're wearing costumes and they're going to be fun. So check all that out. Wild stuff here. I love putting a wig on Jimmy. It's my favorite thing in the world. So we're going to do that. It's going to be a lot of fun. Shut up and give me murder.com patreon.com Crime in sports is where you get all the bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above, you're going to get everything. Whole back catalog, hundreds of bonus episodes you've never heard immediately upon subscription. New ones every other week, including this week, where you're going to get one crime in sports, one small town murder, you're going to get it all. Let's see, this week we're going to do for crime and Sports, the 1993 Florida State football scandal. They won the national championship and they were just cheating left and right. It was wild. I love a good cheating scandal. And then as for small Town murder. We're going to talk about something really interesting. Ted Bundy's psychological evaluation from 1976. They had him for 90 days to just pun, poke and prod and look at him and do a diagnostic session, which that is any psychologist or psychiatrist. I assume that's Debbie high up on the wish list. If I could get Ted Bundy for a month and a half and just unpeel the layers of that onion and see what the hell's going on. We'll talk all about it. Patreon.com Crime and Sports is where you get all that. That said, it's time to get into this.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Let's do it.

[James Petra Gallo]

We have a lot of wild show for you, so let's do it. I think it's time now, everybody, to sit back. That's all. Clear the lungs here and let's all shout shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

Let's go on a trip, shall we?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Let's go.

[James Petra Gallo]

Let's go. We're going to Maryland this week.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

Which, I don't know. People go, oh, well, there's Baltimore. And then you don't know much about the rest of it, really.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Annapolis.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah. That's the capital. And. But I mean, what goes on there? Yeah. Nobody knows. We don't know. We have no idea what's going on. This is Pocamoke City, Maryland. Now, some pronunciations said it was Pocomoke. That had bad reviews though, that pronunciation. It did. It had like two stars. But then a five star review is Pocamoke. That's the five star review. So we're going with that one. This is in Southern Maryland. We're going to call this Panhandle country. Sure. It's coming down a little peninsula. And the way this little peninsula goes is Maryland has like 3/4 of it. And then the last little tip is belongs to Virginia for some reason, even though it's well off the shore of Virginia.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

So it's right above that. It's close to there. It's near Ocean city. It's about two and a half hours to Baltimore and about two hours to Cape St. Clair, Maryland, which is our last Maryland episode, Adopting Murder. That was a fun one.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Go ahead and do that.

[James Petra Gallo]

So the population here, 4,000, 295. Not a big place.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No.

[James Petra Gallo]

And it's a pretty rural area that we're going to talk about today. Median household income here, well below the national average at 45,781. Oh, well, almost 25,000 below the national average.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And it is cold.

[James Petra Gallo]

How do you afford? Median home price also low though. That's helpful. $178,500. So very low. And the motto here is the friendliest town on the Eastern Shore. Well, you know, the whole Eastern Shore could count everything.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Show me the map.

[James Petra Gallo]

The other motto. The other motto should be. I mean our competition is Jersey. So that should be the other part of the motto here. History here. It was. It started in the late 17th century. So way back there, 1600s, a small settlement called Stevens Landing, sometimes called Stevens Ferry, grew at the landing on the south bank of the Pocomoke river. Or Pocamoke River. Sorry. Five stars on Pocamo. The town was incorporated in 1865 as New Town.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

And then they reincorporated it in 1878 as Pocomoke City. Pocamoke City after the American Indian name of the river meaning black water. So okay. Which is just how you want your river to be. Black and dirty. That's perfect.

[Jimmy Wisman]

But I do like an ode to Native American thing. That's nice.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah, they do that a lot. That's good. In 1922, the business district of Pocamoke City was destroyed due to a large fire, of course, as everything pre 1930 at one point was ashes on one side of town. It continued up to the church on 3rd Street. Jesus really torched the place. They rebuilt downtown pretty quickly though. I guess. Farming was declining during the 1900s here, but the poultry industry rose to take its place.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Hell yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

And then also you can get jobs for the Navy around here, the Coast Guard and NASA as well.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh really?

[James Petra Gallo]

There's places to work. Pocamoke City was named in all America City by the National Municipal League. Which sounds like 12 blue haired old ladies judging other people's towns. Fuck is that no interest in that shit. That was for the years 1984 and 85. So back then they had it 40 years ago. It was a good place apparently. Not sure now we don't know. But I know people who do know.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Tell me who.

[James Petra Gallo]

Some people leaving reviews they know. So let's find out from them. Number one, four stars. I love the small town home like feeling. Although sometimes it gets annoying that everyone knows everyone because of how fast rumors can spread. This is exactly. This is some small town shit here that they're talking about. I mean it's nice, but people gossiping, talking about me behind my back all the time, you could just. Yeah, yeah. We have a lot of people who care about each other, which is great. But we also have those who think they are better than everyone else.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, is that okay?

[James Petra Gallo]

And that really makes the environment change.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sure.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah. That's where the warming's coming from.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You get 10 people together, one person thinks they're better than everybody else.

[James Petra Gallo]

Next thing you know, glaciers are melting at the North Pole. Polar bears are floating off on little that happens. There's a lot of support in the school system and in the community events, but there's not much to do for teenagers really. Any age. Kids in town. Which often leads to kids getting in trouble and roaming the streets. That's almost like parents should be watching them and telling them where to go. I wish we had more opportunities to get together with friends, but also wish that there was more activities to do throughout town. Okay. Three stars. I've lived in this town my whole life and I love this place only for certain reasons.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What are they?

[James Petra Gallo]

Well, maybe they'll tell us. Let's find out. I also dislike it for certain reasons as well. Sadly. Sadly. There are a lot of people here that can be very disrespectful and dangerous. But not all.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Mm.

[James Petra Gallo]

The safety of this town is not as handled. But not all the time. Is it as great? What? That's such a weird syntax to that shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Boy. If you don't give one fucking example of any thought, you have nothing.

[James Petra Gallo]

Got nothing. It's such a great. It's such a small town. But it does have a lot of meaning and cultural knowledge. What does that even mean? I don't know what that means.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's got meaning.

[James Petra Gallo]

Also. Also, it's my hometown, so I'll always call it home. Imagine having a full conversation with that person.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is the most frustrating motherfucker.

[James Petra Gallo]

How frustrated you'd be with that person. And then two stars. The area might be better for more like a transition, but could be better elsewhere. That's the whole review. I have no idea what you're talking about. No one does. Transitioning. What?

[Jimmy Wisman]

It can be a lot of things.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's a lot of different things. To a different place. To another job. Becoming a woman. What are we talking about?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Out of prison.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's possible too. Things to do. The Great Pocamoke Fair. Yeah, you got a fair. I'll give you some of the events here. You got the livestock load in. That's exciting.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

The Little Miss Pageant. Of course. The Rap Battle Walk ins.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They're gonna rap battle.

[James Petra Gallo]

They're gonna have rap battles. I guess that is. That is. By the way. At 5:00pm is the Little Miss pageant. At 5:30 is the rap battle. And at 6:00 is the Junior Miss pageant. So right in between children's beauty competitions, we're going to have a rap battle, apparently. Okay.

[Jimmy Wisman]

How many times does a Dungeness or Blue crab get mentioned in those raps?

[James Petra Gallo]

Jesus. Yeah, no shit. Half of them are that probably.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm sure I'm going to steam you like a crab.

[James Petra Gallo]

Crack you like a crab, motherfucker. Now what the. All dirt drags. All truck dirt drags. We have that dragging dirt. There's a mural painting.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm sure it's drag racing in the dirt.

[James Petra Gallo]

I'm sure. I'm sure. But the way they say it makes it sound like you're dragging dirt. Who can look at his. Dirt's the flattest. It's perfect.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Look at him dragging.

[James Petra Gallo]

Look at it. There is a Creations chainsaw carving show. A hog show. Dairy cow fitting.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

It's hard to find good bras for dairy cows. They have to have fittings every once in a while. Can't find them. Utter cup, you know. Then there's the beef cow show.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

As opposed to the poultry cow show. That's a. That's good. There's followed by a karate and judo demonstration. This shit makes no sense whatsoever. Whatsoever. None. All about dance performance. Bull ride mania.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

Okay. And then cornhole tournament. Obviously a Chinese auction. Oh, are we auctioning things off in Chinese? Are we auctioning off Chinese people? What are we auctioning off? We have lots of the Chinese to auction off today. I mean, they're small, but they work hard.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This fella here.

[James Petra Gallo]

Then there's a pygmy slash mini goat show.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

Sheep fitting and showing. And their nicest evening wear. I assume that can be a tug of war, which I hope has a rope involved. A cake auction.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

Just auctioning off some cake. A chainsaw carving auction. Praise at the fair. The Barnyard Olympics. Which sounds so much fun. That sounds like.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I want to see a pig fucking.

[James Petra Gallo]

Oh, man. I want to see all that shit. I can't wait to see the Barnyard Olympics.

[Jimmy Wisman]

A big triple jump.

[James Petra Gallo]

I want to see. Cow diving is the event that I'm into. I really want to see the splash they make. That'll be good.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That said, fucking prod them off.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's hilarious. That said, let's talk about some murder. What do you say here? Because I could talk about that fair all fucking day.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Especially the Olympics.

[James Petra Gallo]

There's events I didn't even mention. So it's. It's awesome. Don't have the time. Let's go back in time. To 2007 here. Okay, so not very real far back 2007. We'll talk about a young woman first here. This is Christine Marie Shetty and she is born December 22, 1980. So for 98% of 2007 she's 27 years old. She is a mother of three here. Two of her kids are ages 2 and 4 at this point in time. Youngins, youngins. And then she has another one that I don't know where that other one is. Everyone keeps saying she's a mother of three but everyone always talks about these two specific kids and where they were during all this. So I'm not sure about exactly where they go. But we know she has two sons and a daughter. She's small young woman here. She's five foot, 300 pounds, light. Light and tiny. So she is a stay at home mother with the three kids. She helps. She lives with her mother and helps they have a family business that they run her family. So she helps with the family business while she's watching the kids. She does office work and you know, whatever needs to be done as.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

To get the shit done here. So she lives with her mom. Lynn Dodenhoff is her mom. And her mom describes Christine as follows. Here, Christine is very outgoing, outspoken young woman. She was a really good mom, a single mom. And there, there's issues like with any single mom. She wasn't perfect ever. But she's a good hearted person. She would do anything for you. Yeah, it sounds like basically. And if I could infer some stuff here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sure.

[James Petra Gallo]

From what Lynn, the way she describes it sounds like Christine probably was a troubled teenager. You know, she's got three kids by 26 in 2007 and I don't think they were planned, you know what I mean? So I think maybe she's had some trouble in the past and now she's a single mom who's trying to get it all together and be a mom and be a good mom and do all that stuff. So that's what it kind of sounds like.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Maybe has some hard opinions, maybe a.

[James Petra Gallo]

Little loud moody or not moody. But I feel like she's definitely an opinionated person and, and she's not shy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She's lived some shit. So she's got some opinions about things.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's what I mean. And she's not shy at all. In 2007, here, in late 2007 she's going to move out of her mom's house because she has some fighting with her mom. So apparently she moves in with a Friend of hers named Tia Lynn Johnson. So Tia is her friend. She's going to move in with Tia, and I guess Christine and her mom had a minor fight, and then Christine and her kids took off for Pocamoke City here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

In early. Yeah. They. To go live with Tia and her mom. Lynn said being 26 years old and having to live under our rules, there was a little bit of tension.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, that's not easy to do.

[James Petra Gallo]

No.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm a mom. I got three kids. I don't need you to tell me what to do.

[James Petra Gallo]

Especially if you've moved out and now come back like you've lived on your own and had your own rules, and now you're back in mom and dad. That's hard. That's got to be difficult to do here. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

When you move, you kind of. It's almost like you got to give up some of that freedom and be like, yeah, yeah, I didn't do very well with it, so here I am again.

[James Petra Gallo]

You have to come back humble. That's how it is. It sucks.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That humility is not easy.

[James Petra Gallo]

No. Tia is her age. She's about six months younger than Christine or six months older. I'm sorry. Tia had a tough upbringing here as well. Tia has had it rough in her life. She wore a. Had to wear a back brace all through school.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh.

[James Petra Gallo]

So just like D in Always Sunny. Basically, she was the monster. Yeah. Was it the hell they aluminum monster. There you go. I'm like some sort of monster, not steel. So, yeah, she had to wear the back brace the whole time. And this was, you know, she went to school in the 90s, so she was teased unmercifully.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my.

[James Petra Gallo]

I mean, this was not an hour of kids would be like, hey, come on, she's fucking, you know, hurt. Be nice to her. Like, back then, the kids were like, yeah. And they'd stick magnets to her and shit. Terrible. So Tia's had some issues now after Christine, I guess. Christine had an argument with her parents over how much milk one of her sons was drinking. That's what spurred the move out. I don't know if the kid. If mom thought the kid wasn't getting enough calcium or if grandma was complaining that the kid drank too much milk. I'm not sure we're going through so much milk.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's gotta be that, right?

[James Petra Gallo]

When you have your son, daughter, whatever, living there and they're bringing three children, you're gonna expect the milk to really go through the roof. Your milk output is crazy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You're gonna go Through a lot of milk.

[James Petra Gallo]

Today at my house we go through like I can't even finish a half a gallon of milk, but I'll throw out the last quarter of it because it goes bad. Because I just don't drink that much milk. I have cereal or whatever, but you know, when my kids were little, it was like every two days a gallon of milk.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. Oh God, forget it. And when I was a kid, we'd go through a gallon of milk in a day because you got cereal in the morning and you drink it too.

[James Petra Gallo]

I never drank it, but I always put it in. I fucking hate to drink milk. It's disgusting. I can't drink milk. I'll drink chocolate milk or if I could put it in something like one of those strawberry instant breakfast or something, I could fucking love those. Yeah, I don't mind milk based things, but to drink straight milk, I just can't do it. Which weird to make.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They've got a new milk that I don't know if it's new milk, but it lasts so long and I question.

[James Petra Gallo]

It last so long.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It lasts a month.

[James Petra Gallo]

Oh, you know, it's. Do you mean exploration wise? I'm so stupid. I thought like I keep. I poured like five glasses and it's still like barely even in my mind. Like it was a regenerating milk.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm like drinking it, but it just keeps refilling. It's like, just keeps going.

[James Petra Gallo]

I think that might be you, bro. I think you're out of your mind. Like I was really like questioning your sanity and you're talking about something way more normal than what I'm talking about.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't know why it lasts so long and I question it because that feels weird.

[James Petra Gallo]

Like there's preservatives in it that shouldn't be there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Curdling, man. It's weird for a month.

[James Petra Gallo]

Oh, that's not right.

[Jimmy Wisman]

A month.

[James Petra Gallo]

I don't want that. I want my milk to go bad quickly. Very perishable.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, there's. There's sometimes at the, at the store when you grab the jug and it's like this expires tomorrow. That's fast, isn't it?

[James Petra Gallo]

I like my beer cold. I like my women sexy. I like my. And I like my milk curdling quickly. Those are the things I like in this world. I'm a simple man. I'm a simple man. So apparently here she moves in and Tia's not the only one who lives there. They're going to move into a farmhouse on Bird Road outside of Pocamoke City. This is a 2900 block of Bird Road. So apparently Lynn is picked up in a car by Tia Johnson and Tia's boyfriend Clarence. Butch Jackson might as well. Who goes by the name Junior. That's his middle name is really Butch. His middle name is Butch. And he's like that's not hillbilly enough. How about Junior, call me. Just call me Junior even though it's not even in my fucking name.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They all do in a bit.

[James Petra Gallo]

Wow. But not even Junior is spelled out. Yep. Junior. Junior is born June 26, 1974. So he's a few years older than everybody in this little conglomerate here. Now they're the house they're going to move into, not the. This is not a house that children should be living in probably. It's not a house. That's a. It's a flop house for underachieving people in their 20s is basically how this works.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's not farmhouse in that. It's the fashion that it's decorated in. It's an old farmhouse.

[James Petra Gallo]

It's cheap cuz it's in the middle of nowhere. That's what it is. Exactly. Yeah. There's no farming going on at this house whatsoever. It's a farm style house, but it's not the chic. They don't have a zucchini garden out back. That's not going. I don't think there's not a lot.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Of ship lap in this.

[James Petra Gallo]

No. They're not raising pigs for the, for the circus or the carnival or whatever the. There. Yeah. So they lived. The one woman who lived across the street, Carol Morrison is her name, she said that the house was in poor shape. She said, quote, there was no water. No water, running water. You can't have.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's not a house.

[James Petra Gallo]

And another guy is going to move in. There's four adults living in a house with no running water. That's not a house. And those people aren't adults.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No, that's a shelter.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's. That's just shelter from the cold. That's all that is the lean to at that point. And only part of the house had electricity because the house was fucked up. So only part of the house has electricity.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh boy.

[James Petra Gallo]

Shall we go into the lighted part of the house tonight? Well, why don't we. Let's live a little.

[Jimmy Wisman]

The frightening part is that that's probably because something ate the wires elsewhere, I'm sure. Yeah, I mean those shits are still hot somewhere. Oh, that's so scary.

[James Petra Gallo]

It's a fire hazard. I'm sure it's all going to burn, so. But I guess Christine didn't have any other place to go and her friend offered her because she said, I can't stay here anymore. I can't take it anymore. And I think her friend just said, well, you can stay with me. And it was a place to go and kind of, I guess, collect herself, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I've lived in. I've stayed with people in shitty places like this. Maybe not that shitty. We had running water. The toilets worked. I'm not staying somewhere where the toilet doesn't work.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No, no.

[James Petra Gallo]

Shit buckets are. That's where I draw the line. It's gotta leave. That's where I draw when I flush that toilet. I want poop to go away, period.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's gotta go.

[James Petra Gallo]

That is minimum. So I guess during that this time. Tia Johnson, by the way, has two children as well that are living here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's why it's okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

So there's two children here that she's got that are living here. And there's another guy named Justin Michael Hadl. He's born in 1990. So he is. That's a youngster, 10 years younger than the girls. He's 17 years old. While this is going on, that's a minor. He's Tia Johnson's cousin.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

Okay. He's Tia Johnson's cousin. And apparently he is at the house frequently, always coming and going. He'll end up basically just living there. And they said. The neighbor said she never really saw Christine coming or going or doing anything. Once she moved in, she just was there, I guess, either in or out, one of the two. So Justin Michael Hadel here, this guy, he's living at the house. So you got four adults living there and two kids. Now the weird part is Christine's kids seem to be staying with her mom. So Christine takes off and the kids stay in the place with running water, which is good.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

But the kids are still drinking the milk. Yeah, that's the solution. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

All right. This is weird.

[James Petra Gallo]

So that's what I mean. I feel like Christine's had some. Some issues with her mom and there's been some family problems. It's what it sounds like. And her mom wants there to be no problems. And it seems like Christine is a bit rebellious. We'll say the only person that has.

[Jimmy Wisman]

The solution fixed there is Christine because now she doesn't have to listen to her mom bitch about the milk going on.

[James Petra Gallo]

Exactly. No shit. So no. Yeah. Now she could just tune it out. So November 13, 2007, Christine is seen in the area of Bird Road here at the house and around the house. Her two sons, ages 2 and 4 were staying with her mother. I don't know where her daughter is at this point, no clue. But she's staying there, staying with her mother Lynn at her Bowers beach home there. And then Christine told her mother she was visiting a couple she met through her ex boyfriend who is also the father of these children, these two boys. That's who Tia is to her. She met him through there now. So she did all of this. And I guess what they say is that Christine was at the house this day on November 13th. And then TIA and Hadl and Jackson, all of these people junior there, all of these people say they went to pick up Tia's kids from school and when they got back Christine was gone. Okay, she was just gone. That was that. Now there is conflicting, by the way information of where her kids are. There is information that says when they got back, Christine's kids were home alone, 2 and 4 years old at that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

At the no electricity house.

[James Petra Gallo]

No electricity house. Then there's also renditions of this that say that the kids were still with Lynn at this point. Then there's, at first there was a renditions that were saying that the kids were with the kid's father. So we have three different places where the kids are possibly being.

[Jimmy Wisman]

But the only thing we know for sure is that they are not with Christine.

[James Petra Gallo]

They were not with Christine at this point because Christine is gone now. I think it might be that her boys are at the house at this point because that would make sense for something that happens later. So Justin Hadl, the 17 year old is the one who calls Lynn to inform her that we can't find Christine. Okay, have you seen her? And he said I already reported her missing to the police. Do you know where she is? Maybe. So that's how that goes. So the police get involved here and we have Detective Robert Troutman of the Worcester County Bureau of Investigation and they said they were expanding their search to Delaware and Virginia as well to look for her because they can't find her. They said they don't suspect foul play at this point because they just think that Christine took off somewhere because she's done that before. So they said we're looking into everything though, you know, you never know. But we don't suspect foul play. They first talk to her ex boyfriend and say do you know where she is? Since you're a, the father of the kids and B, you're the one that, you know, you guys have been fighting or whatever, your exes. And he said, I don't know where she is. And he has a rock solid alibi. He was, like, with 40 people the entire day. So, okay. No way he's any way involved with any kind of disappearance. So they said, okay, he's immediately out. But the ex boyfriend told police that he had Christine's journal. Okay, yeah. Which showed multiple numbers of adoption agencies. She had written down a bunch of adoption agency numbers. And that from what I understand, that is not to adopt more kids.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's to get hers out.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's to possibly give away one of hers or I don't know if maybe that's where the daughter is. I'm not. I'm not gonna make any assumptions there. But she has a bunch of adoption agency numbers in there. And that's what he shows the police. So they continue to search for her and her family. Lynn and her, you know, the whole family put up a $5,000 reward for information that'll find her. They think she just took off. So the sergeant of the Worcester County Bureau of Investigation said, we continue to get calls and information. We're trying to track down everything so we can get to her. So they're trying to find her. At this point, they decide Christine is not missing. Christine has abandoned her children. That's what the police decide. They decide so much that there's no foul play, that they are charging her with a crime now.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Neglect and abandonment.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yes.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Children.

[James Petra Gallo]

They can't find her, so they charge her with child abandonment. They absolutely do. Now her mother Christine is like, bullshit, Mike. Christine may be things, and she may be this and that, but she's never going to abandon her kids and run away. That's never happened. If she took. That's Lynn the mom saying that she's not running away. If she left the kids with me, they're with me. You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wisman]

She cares about her kids.

[James Petra Gallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[James Petra Gallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[James Petra Gallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petra Gallo]

And desertion of a minor child. Those are the actual charges. Court filed charges where she had a court date for, you know, a little while later. So yeah, she's gone. They charge her on the 13th of November. So she's gone for two weeks.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow.

[James Petra Gallo]

And they charge her with this. So they want to find her to arrest her at this point.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No kidding.

[James Petra Gallo]

So the case they talked To Tia and they talked to Junior, they talked to Justin Hadl, they talked to everyone else. The ex, boyfriend, everyone that she might be in contact with. Nobody seems to know anything about where she is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Nobody's got a thing.

[James Petra Gallo]

Her parents, her friends, their roommates. Nobody. So at that point, they just stopped looking for her pretty much.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petra Gallo]

I mean, it's like if you find her, there's a missing poster and all that sort of thing. It's like if you find her, let us know.

[Jimmy Wisman]

But you know, we'd love to arrest her.

[James Petra Gallo]

We'd love to put her in prison if you find her. So that'd be great if we could put her in cuffs. So Lynn decides, no, my daughter's missing. She's not just a fucking flaky mom who abandons her kids. I'm gonna find my fucking daughter. Which she's a good mom, Lynn, you know, who the hell wouldn't do that, right? So Lynn takes it upon herself to search for Christine all the time. She said she went as far as assuming that. She said she must be dead if she's gone this long, she's got to be dead or kidnapped or being held somewhere. So Lynn went as far as to research various states of decomposition in an attempt to inform her search. Like, basically, if I find her now, she'll be in this state. This is what I should be looking for.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Lynn's got a really fucked up Google search now.

[James Petra Gallo]

Dark turn of mind. Yeah, this is. Yeah, Lynn's. Lynn's search history is like mine at this point. It's creepy. It's not good. If I'm ever accused of anything and they look at my search history, I am fucking.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You're going to jail.

[James Petra Gallo]

I look at the weirdest shit because I have to. Yeah, weird psychological shit for. Why did this person do this? Like, who the hell. What normal person has that shit on their. On their thing? So anyway, six weeks after the disappearance. So it's December, it's coming up. And I think this coincides just with Christine's birthday as well. December 22, she disappeared the end of October. So six weeks later, her mom, or not her aunt actually decides to call a couple of psychics to help because the cops aren't helping. And if you're not a person, if your business isn't finding people. It's hard to find people if you're not a detective. So they call on the psychics. This is Karen Hurley, the aunt reaches out to a pair of sisters who say they have psychic abilities here. Okay. They. I guess this Woman had a family connection who worked with the psychics on another case in Pittsburgh. So she makes the call. This is Suzanne Vincent and Jean Mackenzie Vincent. They are the quote unquote psychic sisters.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right?

[James Petra Gallo]

So they're in their early 50s at the time.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, it's still working because they somehow have enough. They haven't to know the lottery number.

[James Petra Gallo]

To know any of that, to know a good stock fucking. They didn't know to invest early in Microsoft. They had no idea, nothing. So they work as a team. This team here. Suzanne hears things and Gene gets visions. So one person gets audio, one person gets video. And they have to sync up the fucking feeds at some point and figure out how this guy goes together. Which is wild, I guess. Gene, they say, or she says. I would say they say, because she says that her visions are like watching a movie. She just sees everything happening. They say their gift is ever present, it can't ever be turned off. And auras are around them at all times. They're just constantly seeing this stuff. They can't stop it. It's a gift and a curse. It's terrible. So Gene said that many people have this gift and like musicians, some have strong innate natural talents, while others are able to work their way up from basics to proficiency with practice. So you can practice being psychic and it'll come to you.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Brush it up on this.

[James Petra Gallo]

This just sounds like remote viewing, which is a government program in like the 70s, 60s, 70s, where they were actually trying to have people do be able to do remote viewing and control things with their mind from other places. This is a CIA pro. We spent billions on this. Billions of dollars we spent on this.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Look up.

[James Petra Gallo]

We'll do a bonus on remote viewing. It's fucking wild. And there's people that claim that they've saw into a terrorist cell and then a bomb. They shot them all. It was crazy. We'll talk about it. We'll definitely do a bonus. I'm going to write that down. So we know because I think our viewer, our listeners, our viewers, our remote viewers would be interested in that. So the sister said, what we're doing, it's working. We've been told by police many times what you just told me was privy to only the killer and us.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Many times.

[James Petra Gallo]

Many times. Too many to count.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That tells me these chicks are bad women. They've been committing crimes.

[James Petra Gallo]

They've been definitely, probably scheming a lot of people or scamming them, I don't know. So Suzanne said she started getting a read from the aunt over the phone. Oh, right over the phone. She was getting it. She said. She said a slender blonde girl, a struggle between two men and a woman. A sense that something very bad happened, she got right away. This is much later, by the way. She's saying this stuff that we know about it. She's saying it publicly. Her sister Jean shared their. Shared her visions with the family as well. And the aunt said this about the psychics. Right off the bat, they started telling me things that had happened. I didn't even have to say a word. Like her having a tattoo and what had happened. Christine was coming through and talking to them, guiding them. It was eerie because of how much they did know. Yeah. This was also very publicized for six weeks that there was a woman missing. And there was a description of her literally on a fucking poster before this, these people even got involved. I have the poster that says, here's her height, here's her weight. This is what she looks like. Last seen with these people. She has a tattoo here. All they had to do was see a missing. They had to Google it. It's 2007. Yeah. So.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And it's also 2007, when everybody had a tattoo. So all you got to say.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's the other thing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She have a tattoo?

[James Petra Gallo]

She have a tattoo? Is it a butterfly?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Do I. I see.

[James Petra Gallo]

I see a bird. A butterfly. Inner general, possibly, maybe up toward the. I don't know. I'm seeing in the lung, maybe area. If there's a. Suzanne said this quote. This is one of the psychic sisters. Then I heard the name as vividly as could be. The name Tia shouted from my spirit guides.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petra Gallo]

Oh, yeah. I said, Tia has dark hair and she has a connection with the short male. They're cousins, and he's the meanest.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah. This is later she's saying. She said that. By the way, this isn't. None of the family said. She said that. This is her telling the press later. She said, I was actually fearful of those guys. Their energy was the worst I've ever felt. They were some pretty dangerous people. So the sisters say they don't even charge to look for missing people.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Is that right?

[James Petra Gallo]

No, no. They say, I know there are people out there that take advantage of the families of missing people. They give them false hope. But this is Lynn talking. But these ladies never asked for a dime, ever. And that really means a lot. They genuinely just want to help, and they might. They might have altruistic goals here. That's possible. So Lynn gets her own search team going on here, though there's about 90 volunteers one day that gather on a Saturday morning at the Bird Road farmhouse where she was last seen. They got rubber boots, gloves, and they're trying to find something. They're trying. It's 67 acres of fields, woods, and swamp in the local area. That's where they're all going to look in December. In December, yeah, yeah. So. Or this. This is early spring or whatever. So it was organized by a resident named Stephanie Burke. And they get all these different groups together. And Stephanie Burke said, I'm so proud of our town. At least we don't. If we don't find anything today, everyone will know that all can be. All that can be done has been done. And if we do find something, it'll be bittersweet. But then Lynn can have some closure. Two hours into the search, on the edge of the woods, not far from the road, there, Don Nichols, a local searcher, found a bone. Oh, that's not good. So they call everybody over. They hurry over to take a look at the bone. It was leaning against the bottom of a tree. And they're like, oh, my God. So what she found found turned out to be a deer bone, though.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

We just found deer bones in our woods two days ago. We were like, oh, bones. It happens.

[Jimmy Wisman]

When I saw that animal down there.

[James Petra Gallo]

You saw a whole carcass?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, I saw a scapula of a deer and I was like, oh, that's a person. Yeah, it looks like people. Bones. It's crazy.

[James Petra Gallo]

There's bones that match up pretty decently here. So they said her mother found out it was a deer and let out of a long breath and was upset. Here. One of the people, they said, why are you helping the search? And this lady said, I have a daughter, and I know if it were my daughter, I'd want all the help I can get. So, yeah, this is about. They scour the woods and then they emerge finding nothing. They found a strange pile of sticks. Strange pile of sticks. In other words, nothing. You found nothing. And a few old beer and soda cans, again, could have blown out of the garbage. And a deer bone. That's what they found. So you found nothing, essentially, which isn't their fault. They were just searching. But that's. So many searches have happened. The property has. Around the house has been scoured several times. They did everything they could. Lynn said, I think this is wonderful. It's great to be part of something with everybody instead of us trampling through the woods by ourselves. Lynn tries social media. The limited amount of social media that was available in 2007. She said that Christine was super into MySpace.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really.

[James Petra Gallo]

So she said that she would do the same thing. She'd get on MySpace. She said, I quote, I saw Christine playing on MySpace, so I figured this is the way you got to go. When she went missing, I learned how to do it then. It's like a mom network. You reach out to different people and they tell you different things. So shit is going for a long fucking time here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

So this is like 2008, mid 2008, a body is found.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petra Gallo]

A body is found. And Lynn realized during this body finding and as this goes on that different cases are handled differently. She said that the cops didn't give a shit about her daughter because her daughter was trash, quote, unquote. To them, basically, we're white trash, and they don't give a fuck about us. That's what she's saying. She said, that's how it's going. And she said, they're not looking for her because she's trash. She said she even overheard one investigator call Christine a sponge on society because she didn't have a steady work history.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Dude, what the fuck?

[James Petra Gallo]

So she said, quote, before we found Christine, there was a body found in Pocamoke. It belonged to a prostitute. They thought it was Christine at first, but it turned out to be a prostitute. She said, that same person that told me about my daughter being a sponge on society, I asked him, is this my daughter? And he goes, no, you don't have to worry about it. That's not her. I said, are you sure? And he goes, yeah, she's an undesirable. This one. The one that we just found. So that's not great bedside matter.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why is that guy in charge of.

[James Petra Gallo]

Anything with dead people involved? Well, don't talk to. You can the other cops. You guys can be shitty. Because that's just. That's just gallows humor. I get it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You guys just treating everybody like an investigator. That's hard.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah. This is the victim, a potential victim's mother here. Come on. So she said, this is what Lynn said. Good family, well liked by the community. You know, it's all a perception of what somebody is, I think, that gets the attention. If Christine had come from means and she was well respected in the community, I think a lot of things would have been done differently. And, you know, she might be right. Who knows? We have no fucking idea. So they said. But I mean, also, a lot of times they look at a person's history and they go, 95% of the time this person runs away. That's what they take off to go do something else. So I get their point of view.

[Jimmy Wisman]

95% of the time when there is somebody found, it's that person.

[James Petra Gallo]

And yes.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And then you feel like those people keep making us look for people. It's never, you know. Yeah, you keep doing this to us. We don't like it.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's fucking crazy. So the sheriff said that there are times when maybe that one person hears someone talking about the case or just that one person can put a vehicle or a suspect at a scene that can ultimately break a case and bring a successful closure. But he also said that while media exposure can help to find those missing pieces, it's also isn't very useful if each case isn't covered in the same way. He said, I really can't answer why they would pick one case over another. All missing person cases are of utmost importance to law enforcement agencies. Not sure about that, but whatever. That's the company line. That's why he's probably tasked with talking to the press, because he'll say shit like that rather than, I don't know. We found an undesirable in a state of decomposition.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. A pretty blonde white woman. Tends to get the public's attention more and the media's attention, which is super annoying.

[James Petra Gallo]

Which that's what Christine is, is that right? She's a 5 foot, 300 pound blonde.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Woman, but happens to be a mother of three and living in a shit place with no job.

[James Petra Gallo]

And they're just looking at her as white trash, that's all. So 2008, as it goes on, there's no new information. Lynn, who had been talking to like Tia and those people, trying to keep them in the loop and maybe figure out if they knew anything more about it. She stops returning Lynn's calls. Everybody's moved on. Hadl, the young guy, he ends up moving to Texas.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

And Junior Jackson moves to Tennessee.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Everybody just kind of split up, the.

[James Petra Gallo]

Band breaks up and everybody moves away. This is over the next like year, year and a half. February 2009 though, Junior's in trouble.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, what do you do in Tennessee?

[James Petra Gallo]

He's in trouble. Well, he found himself in jail in Hamilton County, Tennessee as a suspect of an arson investigation. So he's been burning shit. And March 2009, Lynn gets a letter from Junior Jackson in jail.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Is that right?

[James Petra Gallo]

Absolutely. And he is at this point, Tia's ex boyfriend.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, they've broken up.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah. And he wrote to Lynn from a prison and he says that he at this point he's looking for a plea deal on an arson charge. And he tells Lynn, I know where your daughter is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh boy.

[James Petra Gallo]

More specifically, I know where her body is. Yeah, I know she's dead and I know where you can find her.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I know where the rest of her is.

[James Petra Gallo]

So yeah. So obviously Lynn tells the cops about this and the cops go to Junior and they end up working out a deal on that arson shit to get rid of that if he'll tell the cops what happened to Christine. So he does. First of all, he claims, and so does Tia and we don't know how true it is that Christine was having a sexual relationship with Justin, the 17 year old.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

For a while that was going on. Okay. Then apparently this is what the police will say that everybody says that, that Junior says that Christine and Junior started having an affair behind Tia's back.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

Okay. So this is what Junior claims that Christine wanted more from the relationship, quote, unquote. I don't know what more you could want when you are all in the same house with the girlfriend. But he said, I told her I couldn't, I didn't want to. So he said that Christine threatened to tell Tia about their relationship and fuck their thing up. So they said, okay. So according to, this is, according to Junior, on November 13, 2007, the day Christine was last seen, Christine and Junior, Tia went out to run errands and Christine's children were asleep. So Christine and Junior slipped off into the woods to have sex. In the woods?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

So they went out and had sex in the woods is what he claims. He claims that his roommate Justin, who had a crush on Christine and we don't know, may or may not have been having a relationship with her or whatever, followed them. Okay. And then after Junior left that Justin killed Christine with a two by four, beat her to death with it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh boy.

[James Petra Gallo]

Because he was jealous.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's his story, huh?

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah. He said that Junior said he had nothing to do with the homicide at all. He said I was gone. He came out and I wasn't even there. I don't even know what happened, but that I was the mastermind of getting rid of the body. He said, though I helped with that. He said that from what he understood, Justin struck Christine three or four times in the head with a two by four and just breaks her, broke her whole face, she said. The police at this point put out a statement that says Mr. Hadl struck Christine Shetty in the face with what was described as a piece of Wood then stabbed her lifeless body with a knife just to be sure she was dead. And that comes out later, by the way. Christine Shetty died as a result of blunt force trauma to her skull so severe that it almost fractured all of the bones in her forehead, as we'll find out later. Rage hadl eventually, I guess, told Tia Johnson when the two were in a car together at a gas station later on that day. So now they have to get rid of Christine. Okay, so Tia Johnson's driving. We have Tia, we have Butch or Junior, we have Justin and we have Tia's two kids in the car.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Get the fuck out of here.

[James Petra Gallo]

We're taking the kids to dump a body. Everybody okay? Unless at the house. And I go, well, I don't know if at the house or if they went back with the grandmother at this point or I don't know what happened with the kids. So that's why I'm saying we don't know exactly where, but they must have been at the house. If they, if they were left with the grandmother, she wouldn't have been charged with, with child desertion and all that. They're left with a perfectly responsible person who's happy to have them. So anyway, he claims that Justin, this is Junior, that Justin and Tia took the body to the nearby River House in bed and breakfast. That's where it is. He said that he buried Christine's remains in the backyard where construction was underway. And he drew a map of exactly where the body was buried on the grounds. So the River House Inn is described as a splendid riverfront national register Victorian home converted into a unique bed and breakfast located in Snow Hill, Maryland. Here you can enjoy boating, biking, canoeing. If you love nature and the beach, we are close to the sub seashore and the resort town of Ocean City, Maryland. Also, if you have a spare 20 something year old lady you'd like to put in our ground, come on out.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And get a wow.

[James Petra Gallo]

Come stay.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This lovely place where there's a body that we don't know about buried on the property somewhere you can glance out.

[James Petra Gallo]

The window and maybe see people burying a body. Junior and Tia both worked there. That's why they did it. They buried her between the fence line and a guest house at the River House Inn where they had worked. They said that after midnight on November 14th. So late that night they broke into one of the guest houses on the property, used it as a staging area, then buried her in about 18 inches of dirt. Need a holiday gift that will keep her sparkling all year long. Blue Nile, the original online jeweler, has experts on hand 247 who can help you find the perfect piece. Beyond that, Blue Nile makes the gifting experience easier than ever, with guaranteed free shipping and returns, as well as a wide assortment of jewelry of the highest quality at the best price. Right now, get 30% off [e-mail] that's bluenile.com for 30% off bluenile.com remember when.

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[James Petra Gallo]

So February 19th, 2010 is when this all comes together.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

So three two and a half years later where they dig for Christine and they finally stumble upon a tennis shoe which Leads to the rest of the body of. She was there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That is fucked up.

[James Petra Gallo]

Really fucked up. An 18 inch grave. And nearby, on a piece of wood, Junior was carved, which is. They were like, what the fuck, dude, what the fuck? But he used to. He worked. He was a landscaping guy there for a while, so he could have done that anytime. But that's not good. If your name is carved in wood next to where you buried a corpse, that looks bad for you is what I'm getting at. Not good. The medical examiner testified that the body showed evidence of strong blows delivered to the face, the back of the head and the ribs. Just pummeled this poor girl, they said, based on varying locations, it would have been more than one time. And at least three times, Lynn said, when the police brought her in to see her daughter's remains, because she insisted what was left of her skull had been shattered from the eyebrows down. Her whole face was broken. Fucking horrible. Horrible. And Junior says, by the way, that that wasn't the first place they buried her.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They moved this poor girl.

[James Petra Gallo]

They moved her that day. First they buried her in a shallow grave near the wood line of the farmhouse, but then they said that's the first place they're gonna look for is on this property. Which is true because they scoured it for months. Let's move her. So then they dug her back up, put her in the car with the kids at fucking two in the morning, and took them to bury a body.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Jesus.

[James Petra Gallo]

So federal marshals track down Justin in Texas, and they say that he will probably not face capital punishment for the killing, though. He won't face the death penalty. They said in order to get the death penalty in Maryland, there has to be certain aggravating factors that are not offset by mitigating factors. And they said, I don't think this is the type of case that's going to have the aggravating factors. Robbery, rape, things like that. So they said that Lynn at this time didn't say anything publicly or anything. A spokesperson for the family said at this time she's in seclusion with Christine's children, helping them to begin the healing process. I can tell you they are comforted to know that their mommy did not leave them. Yeah, for three years.

[Jimmy Wisman]

After three years, they've been worried.

[James Petra Gallo]

Where's Mommy? We don't know. So Junior and Justin both claim that Tia was plenty involved. By the way, once they get him in, they're like, oh, she was intricate in this. Yeah. They asked her to help cover up the crime. She wasn't Involved in the murder, but she certainly was involved in the COVID up. I mean, she took her kids along, for Christ's sake. And she acted as a lookout in an upstairs window while they buried the body in the guest house. Yeah, she looked. That's a good view there. Justin, while in jail, talks to a cellmate. And he tells the cellmate that not only did he indeed beat her with a two by four, but also, and this was not released to the public, the medical examiner's report didn't release this, that he used a kitchen knife to, quote, poke her up, as he put it. I poked her up. And then he discarded the creek, the knife and the two by four in the creek later on, three years ago. So Tia is going to confess to her role. Yeah, she said that, you know, it was Justin who confessed to her of the killing, not Junior. Junior said she told Tia. He told Tia about it. Tia said, no, no, no. Justin told me about it. Not. Fucking butch or not Junior, Tia has said that Justin admitted that to her, that he'd killed Christine and scared her into silence. Tia says that Christine and Justin were involved in a sexual relationship in late 2007. That's what she tells the cops. So he might have been jealous of a lot of shit. Justin. So they were all staying at the house. And she said that evening she returned to the property. No one was there except for Christine's two kids. So she said that Hadel and Jackson later returned saying they were looking for Christine after she took off, because that was their story. But then she said Justin told me that he and Christine were arguing over sex related issues. Yeah, and he was swinging a shovel and hit her with it. He said it was an accident. So that's what he told Tia, apparently. But we know that's not true because we know it wasn't a fucking shovel. He. Tia said she didn't immediately tell the cops or anybody else because she was concerned for the safety of herself and her children. She said Justin could be crazy. She also was worried that everybody could go to jail. She said that Justin told me I couldn't tell anyone or he would come after me next. So the psychics claim they helped crack the case after this is all done. Three years later, one of the guys admitted to it because he was up for arson. That's what cracked the case. But they say there's an article that says. Well, police and prosecutors are dubious of that assertion. Uh, Lynn said that their input was another tool in helping out. What, helping to find what happened to her daughter? Yeah, she Said, as far as the information they gave me, a lot of it was spot on, especially as far as where she was found. Two males, one Hispanic, one of them having light eyes. You don't just pull that out of a hat. I believe they have a gift, I really do. The Vincent sisters said they've kept early email correspondences containing markers they call it, which are notable clues that came to them by use of clairvoyance or remote viewing. They even called it remote viewing. That proved their abilities. They said there was one call. They have several markers an email provided. They included a physical description of Christine, the fact that she had two sons, and the vision of being pricked with a knife and rolled in a rug. There's no rug involved here. Three days later in another reading, more markers came up. Christine had been buried in a shallow grave near a series of bungalows. It was near water, in a place where. A place where boats could tie up. And there was a sign in front of the main building. Any business in a peninsula, you're on a fucking peninsula. Everything's near the water where boats come. Then Jean, the one sister, had the balls to say if the police would have done their job with the notes we gave Lynn, they could have found the suspects if they just done a little background research. So if police would have just let us be in charge of the investigation, obviously this would have been fine.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They just need us to be sergeants. Co. Sergeants, yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

To search everywhere that has bungalows in the state of Maryland. The fuck are you talking about? Then she said, you still need law enforcement to get the suspect. We're just another tool. You got that fucking right. You're a tool. That's that part you nailed. I don't know if you had remote viewing for that. The cops say, calm down, sisters. They. Suzanne said her first contact with law enforcement was with a detective and he didn't blow her off. But he listened. She said, you certainly know a lot of intimate details about certain people. That's what Suzanne said that she was told by the cop. He said that he wanted to be open minded here to psychics. But the cop said that she didn't offer anything specific, only generality. She's near water, she's near an a frame house. But they can never pinpoint where on God's green earth that might be.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And on the east coast the amount of a frame homes is crazy near.

[James Petra Gallo]

Water on a peninsula. So they said, according to this guy. He said the sisters provided no information that directly assisted with the case. He said, I don't want to make it seem as if it's some kind of scam. They're sincere in what they believe. He's like, they believe they do this shit. He said, but I can only speak to this instance looking back, there's a lot of similarities, but at the time, they really didn't lead us in any particular direction.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's not a direct scam, but it's like, bullshit.

[James Petra Gallo]

It's, you know, kind of horseshitty, you know, that sort of thing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

So Hadel is charged with. Justin is charged with first degree murder and first and second degree assault.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

He goes to trial. He's got a jury of six men and six women, and he wants a new lawyer. But the judge denies him one. In the beginning of the trial calling, the judge called it a delay tactic in a case that's already dragged on for too long. The openings here. The prosecutor said Mr. Hadl struck Christine Shetty in the face with what was described as a piece of wood, then stabbed her lifeless body with a knife just to be sure she was dead. Christine Shetty died as a result of blunt force trauma to her skull so severe that it fractured almost all the bones in her forehead. So they say that six days later, after a witness came forward, the assistance of U.S. marshals, Mr. Hadel was found over 1400 miles away. He says that since his arrest, they haven't been publicly discussed all this. But the prosecutor tells the jurors that they will hear from a cellmate of Hadel with whom he told all this shit details. So the defense, the opening statement says that he's pleading not guilty and he's not guilty. Basically. Very short opening here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

Tia testifies. They call her testimony reluctant, and she testifies to everything we said before. So we know all the info. During closing arguments here, the defense says that Tia Johnson's a terrible witness with no credibility. That's what this is about. So you can't believe her. So my client's innocent. Wow. He said the only way Tia Johnson can get out of this and that Junior Jackson can get out of this is to say that Justin confessed with no one else around. She said Tia lied on November 27, 2007. She lied to police on February 23, 2010, and she lied to you yesterday on the stand.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petra Gallo]

And they also. The defense attorney shows a picture of the piece of wood with Junior carved on it near the gravesite. And he says, King Jr. Killed Christine Shetty. That's what he said.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Here's your autograph of the guy that did It. Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yep. The prosecution says there's not a single piece of evidence that justifies the statement of the defense attorney that Clarence Jackson killed Christine Shetty. There's no physical evidence that links anyone with the death of Christine Shetty. But the defendant. They said Tia Johnson loves Junior Jackson. Yes, but Justin Hadl is family. She wouldn't throw him away for her ex boyfriend.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right.

[James Petra Gallo]

Jury has three hours of deliberation, they find him guilty as shit. Yeah, guilty as balls. Moving on. But there's three months between the conviction and the sentencing. So he's sitting in jail for three months. He must be bored while he's in there. Justin.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why?

[James Petra Gallo]

Because he removed a foot long hinge from an observation window at the county jail and used it to pry open a security window casing and tried to escape.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh boy.

[James Petra Gallo]

But was caught trying to escape. And so now he's got more charges instead of less problems. He's got more.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh.

[James Petra Gallo]

So the judge during sentencing said there's nothing more horrible for a parent or family member to endure. You knew full well she was never going to be found because she was in a hole in Snow Hill. The judge called it a charade and a cruel hoax that the community spent two years and three months searching for her while he knew her location all along. The judge says the burial in the backyard of the house there, the River Inn house, was depraved and no better suited for a cat or a dog than a person. He also said Justin, while incarcerated, reportedly spoke ill of Christine and her family to other inmates as well. To the judge, that meant that Justin showed, quote, not a shred of remorse.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No kidding.

[James Petra Gallo]

You sir, may fuck off. Life without parole.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh shit.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah, he was 17. He's 19 now. But still that is a long time. He just gave.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I think he deserves it because I.

[James Petra Gallo]

That's terrible.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I think he did sleep with her and thought there was something and then he got jealous and followed them. He saw them go out there and.

[James Petra Gallo]

Then beat a woman to death in the woods.

[Jimmy Wisman]

But what I want to know is why the fuck did Junior just leave her out in the woods alone?

[James Petra Gallo]

I think he took off. Yeah, that's what I mean. I don't know if he took off and left her. He had. She had to get it out of her or whatever. I don't know. That's a. I don't know. Who knows? We don't know if he's put her clothes back on.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Maybe I'll get out of here and you come out after. So that doesn't look like it looks.

[James Petra Gallo]

Like we were taking separate woods wanders.

[Jimmy Wisman]

We were just having a little nature walk, each of us.

[James Petra Gallo]

So Lynn said, since she went missing, I've been working this case every day. This closes a chapter. We buried her and that was one thing. But today, someone was held responsible. I'm so grateful they believed in me and believed in my daughter and got justice for her today. I never wanted revenge, only justice. My daughter got a death sentence. Her children and family got life without parole. Yeah, she said, a feeling.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You can't just murder girls that are sweet enough to fuck you, you dick. That's a good girl. She was a nice person.

[James Petra Gallo]

Nice, decent person. So she said, it feels like having a weight lifted off my shoulders. They said, well, was this about the psychics? Did they solve the case? And she said, they didn't solve the case. I mean, I know that, but if law enforcement had just sat down to listen to them, maybe they would have found her earlier. No, they wouldn't have. Until someone told you exactly where she was, you're not going to find her.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They had no lead to go to that fucking house.

[James Petra Gallo]

No, Absolutely not. So the prosecutor said there might even be more arrests after this. They're exploring charging additional people.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petra Gallo]

2012, Tia Johnson and Junior Jackson. Those are the people they're charging. They take plea deals.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, okay. Smart people.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah, yeah. They both submitted an Alford plea, which isn't an admission of guilt, but acknowledges that you will be convicted if you go to trial.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They've got enough effort.

[James Petra Gallo]

We're fucked. So sentencing here. Prosecutor said that, however, Christine and Junior were having a sexual relationship here and she wanted more. Tried to go through the whole thing, they said, the whole narrative of it. Jackson's defense attorney said his client wanted to be held responsible for his actions and get back with his own daughter. And the judge said the irony in his statement is he only wants to get back with his daughter. He has a daughter, while Mrs. Dodenhoff does not. No matter what I do, it doesn't change the end results of his actions. That's the frustration of the court.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Absolutely.

[James Petra Gallo]

Lynn said, I just can't wrap my head around how someone could callously beat someone to a pulp and then go on with their life as if nothing has happened. Christine didn't deserve to die in the way she did. Junior speaks too. He's got to eat some shit here. He said, I hid where your daughter was. I did not kill her. But the fact that I hid her for so many years is just as bad. I am deeply sorry from the bottom of my heart said that to Lynn, he called himself. He said that he was the mastermind and the utmost ringleader behind the COVID up after the murder took place. He said, I didn't kill her, but all the ringleaders. I was just as bad as what he said. He really threw himself on his sword, this guy here. He said it was my idea to bury her at the River House Inn. And he told the judge also that he's been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and is being medicated for it now.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He's kind of a bad guy.

[James Petra Gallo]

So the judge says, you, sir, may fuck off. Life in prison for you.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petra Gallo]

All but 30 years suspended for being an accessory to first degree murder after the fact.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So we got 30.

[James Petra Gallo]

He got basically 30. Yeah, so he got 30. Now, Tia, her public defender here said that, noted how Tia could not have been even on the property when the murder occurred. And she had nothing to do with carrying or burying the bus. She just drove the car and looked out. That's all she did. So the prosecutor said, yes, she also had numerous opportunities to tell everybody what the fuck happened and get some closure. He said, I firmly believe. But for Mr. Jackson's desire to get out of jail in Tennessee, Ms. Shetty's remains would still be buried under that bed and breakfast and this case would remain unsolved. Ms. Johnson, every day from 2007 on, had the opportunity to tell the truth, and she never did. Now, the defense said throughout her life, other people's wills have been imposed on Tia. She wasn't present when the murder took place. She was presented with circumstances and was told what to do. The judge says that might all be true and everything, but quote, maybe, just maybe, that night, that night somebody might understand that. But many, many days went by when she knew what happened. Yeah, that night she was scared, sure. The next day when she took her kids to school. She could have went to the police station afterwards is what they're saying.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Or not. Just the next day. Those two dudes moved out of state eventually.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah. And she just went on. The judge said she drove the car, but there was much, much more than that. Ms. Johnson was up to her eyeballs in that coverup. And she was not under the will of Jackson and Hadel for all those years. And he said, those tears and this blood are. She wrote in a journal that these tears and blood are for you. I want to die and be with her. She didn't deserve to die on my watch. And she's got a jerk. She writes about cutting herself in her Journal. The judge says that that's all nice and dandy and all. At least they're going to be able to move on in some fashion. Obviously it's going to be difficult. Tia says, I apologize to everyone involved, especially Lynn and her family and everything they're going through. I'll pay for my actions for the rest of my life. There's no happy ending for anyone involved here. But maybe now the healing can begin. I do know I will pay for my actions for the rest of my life. I see the pain in my children's eyes. I suffer and grieve every day as well. Lynn said out of all three, she is the one for which I hold the most contempt.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Absolutely.

[James Petra Gallo]

She said she's a woman and a mother and I'm sad to share her gender. Wow. That's what. Wow. You're a disgrace to vaginas.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I hate my vagina. Because you have one.

[James Petra Gallo]

Wow. To all to say. All she did was drive the car. There's a lot more to it than that. She had her own children in the car and waited while the body was buried. And then never told. What kind of a mother would make another mother go through this pain and agony. The judge says, you, ma'am may fuck off. She gets a sentence of five years for the same accessory charge. Plus ten years for a third degree burglary. For a total sentence of 15 years. But with seven and a half years suspended. What the fuck? Seven and a half years Tia got.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Hmm.

[James Petra Gallo]

I think you get extra just for bringing your kids with you. You don't bring your kids to a body burial. That's fucking mob. Guys don't. Ted Bundy never brought kids along. That's crazy. That's unbelievable. 2013, by the way, they changed the Maryland law about accessory after the fact.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

It used to be a maximum of. Whatever it was. They increased the maximum amount of penalty that you can get for being a. Because of this accessory after the fact. Yeah, because of this. Yeah, totally. I guess they. It was. I think it was 10 years. Yeah. It went from the maximum Penalty increases from five to 10 years for being an accessory to first or second degree murder after the fact. So that's passed. It's called the Shetty Bennett act.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Very nice.

[James Petra Gallo]

So they even put her name on it. That's nice. 2015, Justin appeals saying that he proclaimed an open court his decision to fire his attorney. But the judge declined to hear him out and said he was a time wasting tactic. And the appeals court said fucking reversed. Can't do that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petra Gallo]

So it's it's reversed at this point for Justin's conviction. But he's offered a deal here. Okay, he's going to take the deal. He avoids a retrial because they said we're going to recharge you retry on first degree murder otherwise. So they said are you willing to take this deal? And he does take a deal here. This agreement exposes him to a prison term of 30 years instead of life. Lynn, they asked Lynn and she said it was very hard listening to everything again. It's the start of a big conclusion. So there's no wiggle room. This is done. He can't keep appealing and making me come back here. It's just been a long time. Eight years. She said, you know what if he can't appeal it anymore, fuck it. Everybody is done. Great. So they said that he gets life in prison with all but 30 years suspended. So he gets exactly what Jackson got. Which seems the person who actually did a murder has to get a little more than a person who did.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He swung a two by four into a tiny woman's head. That's fucked up.

[James Petra Gallo]

Yeah. Then in 2016 the Psychic Sisters appeared on Investigation Discovery show Six Degrees of Murder and they're touting that they solved this case. And she said. When I tried to get an image of Shetty's body I kept seeing an image of Bungalows. I knew her body was buried somewhere near them. I kept feeling a connection to Texas that someone involved in this case had a relationship to Texas. Well then fucking years later.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Give an address lady.

[James Petra Gallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

Get me a code to a safe and I'll believe you.

[James Petra Gallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

They're kind of assholes.

[James Petra Gallo]

The final insult on top of all this, June 2021. Christine's 10th grade son dies.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petra Gallo]

Her son Ezekiel, who apparently had just completed the 10th grade is dead in June of 2021. I just know. Found his obituary. I don't know how he died. But that is fucking terrible here. And also in 2018, the Prosecutor of all of this, attorney Beau Oglesby, is in a shitload of trouble. He was sending letters around in the office just using the N word constantly. What in 2014 and 15 we're talking about, sir constantly. I mean, it's wild, dude, all the time. So he got in a lot of trouble too. So there you go, everybody. That is Marilyn Pocamoka, MD. And we got to go through the real quick here. Rain review. Do all that. Tell your friends, follow on social media at Small town Murder on Instagram, all the rest, you'll find them. Do that. Follow us there. Shut up and give me murder.com tickets for live shows. October 18th, Kansas City. Still tickets for that. A lot of the others are sold out, but keep looking for tickets. October 30th, virtual live show, costumes, regular live show. You're in your living room. It's going to be fucking awesome. Be there for that. And also patreon.com crime and sports this week, $5 a month or above, hundreds of back episodes. New ones every other week or this week. New ones are crime and sports, Florida state football scandal from 93 and Ted Bundy's psychological evaluation from 76 in Utah. Patreon.com Crime in sports is where you get all that. Keep following us, Keep coming back. Check all that out. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Bye.

[James Petra Gallo]

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In November 1991, media tycoon Robert Maxwell mysteriously vanished from his luxury yacht in the Canary Islands. But it wasn't just his body that would come to the surface in the days that followed. It soon emerged that Robert's business was on the brink of collapse. And behind his facade of wealth and success was a litany of bad investments, mounting debt, and multimillion dollar fraud. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondery Show Business Movers. We tell the true stories of business leaders who risked it all, the critical moments that defined their journey, and the ideas that transform the way we live our lives. In our latest series, a young refugee fleeing the Nazis arrives in Britain determined to make something of his life. Taking the name Robert Maxwell, he builds a publishing and newspaper empire that spans the globe. But ambition eventually curdles into desperation and Robert's determination to succeed turns into a willingness to do anything to get ahead. Follow business movers wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad free on the Amazon Music or Wondry app.