#576 - Electronic Murder Bread Crumbs - Longmont, Colorado

Summary

Small Town Murder

Episode #576 - Electronic Murder Bread Crumbs - Longmont, Colorado
Release Date: March 8, 2025
Hosts: James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman

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Introduction

In this gripping episode of Small Town Murder, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmie Whisman delve into the tragic and complex case of Jason Schaefer, a beloved mail carrier from Longmont, Colorado, whose life was brutally taken in broad daylight. Combining thorough research with their signature comedic flair, James and Jimmie unpack the intricate details surrounding the murder, the ensuing investigation, and the eventual trial.

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Overview of the Crime

On October 13, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Jason Schaefer was fatally shot four times in front of his home on Heatherhill Street in Longmont, Colorado. Surveillance footage captured the harrowing moments of the attack, revealing a suspect clad in a dark hoodie and a blue face mask fleeing the scene. The shocking nature of the crime in a typically peaceful suburban neighborhood left the community in disbelief.

Notable Quote:
Jimmy Whisman [19:15]: “This was the worst murder ever. You can put it together. You can literally make a film out of the cars being followed and people running away.”

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Investigation Details

Victim Background

Jason Schaefer, born in 1988, was highly regarded in his community for his dedication as a mail carrier. Known for his kindness, Jason went above and beyond, often delivering mail to elderly residents unable to reach their mailboxes.

Notable Quote:
James Pietragallo [20:22]: “He brings the mail up to the door for elderly people who can't. Like, real nice guy.”

Suspects Background

The primary suspects in the case are Devin Shriner, Jason's ex-girlfriend, and her boyfriend, AJ Ritchie. Devin, a fellow postal worker, had a tumultuous relationship with Jason, marked by custody disputes over their five-year-old son. AJ, a prison guard at Englewood Prison, had a long-standing, and reportedly inappropriate, relationship with Devin, beginning when she was just thirteen years old.

Notable Quote:
Jimmie Whisman [35:44]: “AJ Ritchie. He's a prison guard at Englewood Prison. He’s a CEO, so you know, he's a great guy too. You never know.”

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Evidence Presented

Technological Evidence

The investigation heavily relied on GPS data from Devin’s mail scanner, which showed her device was stationary at AJ’s residence from 11:00 AM to 1:30 PM on the day of the murder. Additionally, Devin’s 2017 black Nissan Rogue, identifiable by a missing front passenger hubcap, was captured near the crime scene by automated license plate readers. Surveillance cameras placed AJ Ritchie following Jason Schaefer’s mail route extensively that morning.

Notable Quote:
Jimmy Whisman [41:50]: “Google devices caught Devin's car with a missing hubcap near the scene. It’s not good.”

Witness Statements

Neighbors described Jason as a well-liked individual, making the murder even more perplexing. Some witnesses reported hearing three to five gunshots, and multiple security cameras documented the suspect’s movements before and after the shooting.

Notable Quote:
Jimmy Whisman [09:05]: “Main street it is. The sidewalks are just popular.”

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The Interrogation

Devin Shriner's Behavior

During her interrogation, Devin exhibited cold and detached behavior, showing minimal emotional response to the news of Jason’s death. She was primarily concerned about the custody of her son, displaying a lack of remorse or acknowledgment of the severity of the crime.

Notable Quote:
Jimmie Whisman [55:26]: “The cop goes, we think it was you. She takes a long pause and goes, thanks.”

AJ Ritchie's Involvement

AJ Ritchie, initially denying involvement, eventually confessed his role in the murder. He admitted to following Jason and coordinating with Devin to plan the attack. Text messages revealed Devin had threatened Jason, and AJ had manipulated her into carrying out the murder, positioning himself as her accomplice.

Notable Quote:
Jimmie Whisman [67:38]: “AJ confessed to everything and let it out. He gave the police a picture of you in the outfit that the murder took place.”

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Trial and Sentencing

Both Devin Shriner and AJ Ritchie were brought to trial. Extensive evidence, including technological data and incriminating text messages, led to their conviction. Devin was found guilty of first-degree murder, while AJ was convicted as the mastermind behind the plot. The judge sentenced both to life without parole, emphasizing the premeditated nature of their actions.

Notable Quote:
Jimmie Whisman [75:39]: “With today's guilty verdict, the two people responsible for this premeditated and cold-blooded murder will be held fully responsible for killing Jason Schaefer while he was delivering mail.”

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Community Reaction

The Longmont community was deeply affected by the tragedy. Jason’s parents described the loss as a “living nightmare,” highlighting the profound emotional and social impact on the neighborhood. A memorial procession featuring 47 postal trucks underscored the collective grief and respect for Jason’s service.

Notable Quote:
Devin Shriner [73:52]: “My wife's got an Amazon thing. I apologize, guys.”

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Conclusion

James and Jimmie wrap up the episode by reflecting on the senselessness of the crime and the misuse of technology in committing such a targeted murder in a quiet suburb. They underscore the importance of community vigilance and the devastating consequences of personal vendettas gone tragically wrong.

Notable Quote:
Jimmie Whisman [78:27]: “Not a single mailman deserves to be killed while they're delivering. That's terrible.”

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Key Takeaways

• Premeditation and Coordination: The murder was meticulously planned, with both Devin and AJ playing pivotal roles.
• Technological Footprints: GPS data and surveillance footage were crucial in unraveling the case.
• Emotional Detachment: Devin’s lack of emotional response during interrogation suggested guilt and premeditation.
• Community Impact: The tragedy left a lasting scar on the Longmont community, emphasizing the importance of every individual's role in maintaining neighborhood safety.

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This episode serves as a poignant reminder of how personal conflicts can escalate into unimaginable crimes, and the vital role of technology and community cooperation in solving such cases.

Transcript

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[Jimmy Whitzman]

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[Jimmy Whitzman]

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[Devin Shriner]

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[Jimmy Whitzman]

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[Jimmy Whitzman]

Hello everybody and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express.

[Devin Shriner]

Yay. And choo choo.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petragallo. I'm here with my co host Jimmy.

[Devin Shriner]

I'm Jimmy Whitzman.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Thank you folks so much for joining us on another wild, crazy, insane edition of Small Town Murder Express. All aboard the murder train pulling away from the station. We have of course, a crazy one as usual for you today. This is wild. I watched this interrogation a few months ago and was like, well, we got to do this. This is crazy stuff. We'll get into all that and more. First, head over to Shut up and give me murder.com get tickets for all your live shows. If you. Including the virtual live show, which will take place on April 19th. It's a Saturday night. It is a day before 4:20. It's the 4:20 virtual live show. Just like a regular live show, except you can be anywhere you want to be in the world with WI Fi, anywhere you can in your living room, hang out with us. The same thing as a regular live show. The pictures, the jokes, the story. But we're also going to be wearing costumes and I'm going to be making Jimmy do hits off a bong that will terrify him. So it's going to be a lot of fun. Get in there. And then also Cypress Hill. Yeah, definitely.

[Devin Shriner]

Be real.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Go with be real. He's the tall one. That's fine.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, yeah, good one.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah. And then you can just repeat everything I say. Stabbed her in the face. You can just do that over and over again right in the face. And so do that also while you're there, check out the regular live show tickets. Chicago in May, you're up next. Let's go. We got St. Louis in Chicago. St. Louis is about sold out. Get your tickets for Chicago and the rest of the year because a lot of these shows are sold out and almost sold out. Like Madison, San Diego, Grand Rapids, Portland is completely sold out. So get your tickets right now. If you want to go to these shows, shut up and give me murder.com. also, listen to our other two shows, Crime in Sports, where we're doing a lengthy Evel Knievel series. You don't have to like sports at all. Just a crazy story about a crazy guy. The most American story that's ever been told, put it that way. So check that out. And then listen to your stupid opinions as well. It's the funniest hour in podcasting, so check that out. Then get Patreon. Patreon.com CrimeInSports is where you get all of your bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above. You get everything. You. You get a whole back catalog with hundreds and hundreds of episodes that you've never heard before of bonus stuff. New ones every other week, including this week, where you get one crime in sports, one small town murder, and you get it all, everybody.

[Devin Shriner]

All of it.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

All of it. This week for Crime in Sports, we're gonna talk about the Miami Dolphins bullying scandal back in 2012 or 13. There new stuff has come out recently. So we're gonna get into that. And then Small Town Murder, the Amazon review killer, who's a crazy serial killer who Held women hostage for his own crazy uses, and then left reviews of the items of his murder implements on Amazon. Truthful reviews of, you know, this will keep a woman locked away for months at a time. And like, people were like, ha ha, laughing and finding it helpful. It's crazy stuff. We'll get into all that and more. Patreon.com crimeinsports that said, I think it's time. Let's get into this here. I think it's time to sit back, let's all clear the lungs and let's all shout shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody.

[Devin Shriner]

Okay.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going to Colorado here.

[Devin Shriner]

Lovely place.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Lovely place. We all like Colorado. Pretty. This is Longmont, Colorado, which is a Denver suburb, basically. But in Denver, the suburbs are far. Denver's spread out. The airport in Denver is like an hour from Denver. So everything's far here. So when we say a suburb, it's not like, oh, you could just drive to downtown Denver in five minutes. This is about 50 minutes to downtown Denver. So it's out there. Yeah, it's all out there. It's about four hours to Aspen, Colorado, which is not only a beautiful resort town, but also the location of our last Colorado episode, episode 527, killing the princess. So that was. I remember that one. That was fun. This is in both Boulder and Weld counties. The town kind of overlaps there. Population here is 98,789. And it's. It's a suburb, but it's a very. It's very suburb y. There's not. It's not a city. It's spread out. It Definitely downtown.

[Devin Shriner]

You stick around. Right out there.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah.

[Devin Shriner]

Keep it. You keep it central and even.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Like all the reviews are like this small town, very small town. Like everybody. It has that feel, so definitely fits. Median household income here is $83,104, which is above the national average by almost 15 grand. And then the median home price here, it's pricey. Denver's a pricey market here. It is 535,800 bucks to live an hour outside the city, basically. That's. That is brutal, man. A little bit of history here. Longmont was founded in 1871 by a group of people from Chicago.

[Devin Shriner]

Really?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, a bunch of Chicago people. It was originally called the Chicago Colorado Colony. That's what it was originally called. Yeah. That is fucking wild. Which is insane. These men sold memberships in the town. They purchased the land necessary for the town. Hall with the proceeds. That's how they did it.

[Devin Shriner]

They were like, that's a long ride to the country club.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I would say so. This is the first planned community in Boulder county. And the city streets were laid out in a grid plan within a square mile. So it was boring right from the start. They laid it out as this is going to be the burbs, babe. It began to really pick up as an agricultural community after the railroad arrived. When they can take the stuff out of there and then who knows? Then it developed. I think that's still. I don't know what they're growing. I guess wheat. That's all I could think of that would grow there. So I'm sure there's other shit. But I know wheat is that area. That's the wheat belt.

[Devin Shriner]

So probably feeding Coors Brewery maybe.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, no shit. But then after that it kind of became just like a suburb. And that's what it's been since then. So a few reviews of this town to give you an idea of what it's like here. Five stars. Longmont is a nice and growing community north of Denver and east of Boulder. It's a very family friendly. It is very family friendly with a vast system of parks and running trails. The commute is great and it still has the vibrate. Still has a vibrate. Main street area. Vibrates. Vibrate Main street with a small town feel. Downtown is very popular with the ladies. Main street it is.

[Devin Shriner]

The sidewalks are just popular.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

They just stand there. They just sit on the ground and look happy. I don't understand it. Here's three stars. I grew up here and it's still my permanent residence. However, I moved away for college as a kid. There's not much to do here. There's a lot of issues with teenagers and drugs. Gee, I'm sure that's really unique to this area that teenagers do drugs sometimes.

[Devin Shriner]

Welcome to America.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Jesus. It's like a small town with way too many people. Everyone knows everyone and not in a good way. So everyone's nosy is what they're saying.

[Devin Shriner]

That many people and we still know everybody.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Still know everybody. So that's what I mean. Feels like a small town from the way everybody talks about it.

[Devin Shriner]

Who the is a psycho and enjoys their commute to Denver.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Any Drake.

[Devin Shriner]

It's a night.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

50 minutes of bliss, baby. That's it. I'm going. I'm getting in my car. I can't wait.

[Devin Shriner]

Maybe all this stop and go.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Maybe they listen to this show and they're excited that they get a Chance to hear the whole podcast they want to hear.

[Devin Shriner]

I get. I get a whole hour into this thing and then I get to sit down and listen to this in the cube.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Here's three stars. The town is. This town is right in the middle. Not rural or overpopulated, hot or cold, conservative or liberal. Everything about this town is very average. And that's okay. That's okay. I don't know. I don't know. That person is very easily pleased. I feel like they're easily, easily satisfied. And finally, one star. Nasty, spiteful, awful. People who treat service workers terribly, don't recommend moving here. Zero empathy for other human beings whatsoever. And that's all caps, rude and unkind. Well, you already said nasty, spiteful and awful. Do you need to add rude? And there's a lot of adjectives. Absolutely. The worst interactions had in years. So that's interesting things to do here. There's a bunch. But this is the Winter Walkabout Music showcase. I guess they do this every year in the beginning of February, so we just missed it. Presented by the old Flatirons bank. It's over 16 venues, 60 performances and one all inclusive ticket. So you can drive all over town going to see these bands and I'll give you some of the bands here. I have never heard of any of these people.

[Devin Shriner]

No.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So maybe you have. I'm not sure. Megan Burt with two T's.

[Devin Shriner]

Not that one. That's way too close to butt, by the way.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

You can't put two T's right. That's what I was hoping you would catch on to that because I'm like with two T's.

[Devin Shriner]

B U R T T. The music industry with the last name that close to butt.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Megan Butt. Augustus will be there. Just declaring.

[Devin Shriner]

Well, he dropped the galoot.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That's maybe. I was thinking he was going to say he was taking over as emperor. I'm not sure. The Black Hole Boogie Band.

[Devin Shriner]

Hell yeah.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Beats me. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck that is, but great. Erica Brown with MJ and the side gig. Okay, that's too many people. You know what you should do with that many people? Get a bad name and call yourselves that rather than just name all the people in the band as your bad name.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, they don't say Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora and the Backer guys.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

It's not Bon Jo.

[Devin Shriner]

The other guys you don't know, you.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Pick a name, something catchy. And Erica Brown with MJ and the side gig is not catchy. That's not Working the Tribonacci Trio. It sounds like some mother that's forcing her three Italian sons to sing. And they're like, we don't want to sing, Ma. Like, get your asses out there and sing. And they're like, okay, do it. You sing like angels. Get out there. All right. Ma Annika and the Obsession. The Rampart Street Stompers ain't from here. Okay, assume that's country. The Mile High Brass Band, Mackenzie Ray and Buckshot Moon.

[Devin Shriner]

Okay, this is bad.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Queso raw like queso ra, but queso like the cheese. That's the weirdest.

[Devin Shriner]

So we do we sprinkle a little Mexican in this?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I guess so. Fox Feather, Jesus Sturtz Lapampe. Gabrielle Mervine Quartet. I could go on, but I think you get the fucking picture. Bunch of people you've never fucking locals never heard of any of these people. Yeah, none of these people at all. So there you go. Banana Bangs. That's a bad name.

[Devin Shriner]

Almost Rama. Not quite.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I'm not sure what's happening there. That said, let's talk about a murder. Forget these unknown bands that I have never heard of. Let's talk about a murder. Let's start out. This is gonna be real recent, too. Real recent. October 13, 2021. Let's start out. Golly, Real fucking recent. Yeah. This is crazy. It is 12:32pm in Longmont. Okay, 911 or 911. 911 calls 9 11. I say like, I live in another country. Some countries say 911 when they're talking.

[Devin Shriner]

About so do 70 year old men. My dad says it, and I'm going, stop saying that.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I looked at it as like, you know, like September 11th. And when I saw. I read it, my own handwriting of 9 11.

[Devin Shriner]

He's like, if I fall down, call 9 11. I'm like, why do you say that?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Why do you say that?

[Devin Shriner]

What are you doing?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

911 is less syllables. It makes no sense.

[Devin Shriner]

There's no 11 button. So I'm dialing 91 1.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

How about that? So they receive a call, 911 does, from 2010 Sicily Circle, which is the address they get it from. And it is advising that shots have they heard shots fired. And we'll see from surveillance cameras in the neighborhood that you can hear, I mean, clearly four shots ring out. It's 1, 2, 3, and then a fourth with a pause. And it is, you know, knowing what happened, it's pretty disturbing to hear these. See these videos. So they. They get a call here now. They say it's A woman saying that a postal worker was shot at the end of their driveway. They said, our mailman has been. Someone shot him. And we saw, you know, somebody running away. We saw a man with a hoodie on and a blue mask running away from it.

[Devin Shriner]

A fella chased down the mail. What, he maced your dog, dude?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I mean, I said no more catalogs. Like, what the fuck do you want from this guy? He's the mailman.

[Devin Shriner]

Another advertisement for solar.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I swear to Christ. And I've. I had a pain in the ass mailman at one point and it's. I still wouldn't have shot him. That's a little much. I can, you know, what do I got, a 30 second interaction with him. I can make it at most if I have to sign for something.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh, God, he's got so much work to.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Got a lot going on here. So the they. This woman is saying too, like, it's outside. I don't know. He's outside and my neighbor's out there. So the 911 operator is like, can you please go outside?

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, it's 2021. Take your cordless shit out there. What, are you still tethered to the water?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

No, she's on her cell phone, but she's saying, I'm. If I don't want to go out there, I'm afraid to go out there because I don't know if this person's going to come back. She said, one of my other neighbors is out there with this postal worker. And, you know, I don't know. I don't want to go out there. So the 911 person's like, you got to go out there. I need information. You have to go tell me if this person's breathing. You have to tell me.

[Devin Shriner]

Go put that guy on the phone.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Whatever. It's another lady out there too. So there's two, like, older ladies that are hovered over this guy. So they said a woman or a man in a dark colored hoodie, possibly wearing a blue mask, seen running southeast from the location. This 911 call is frustrating too. This operator is 2 seconds away from calling this lady a bitch. Like it is two seconds. The lady on the phone, the 911 operator lady on the phone is pissed at this lady because she's like, go over there and look at him. Is he breathing? And she goes like, I'll go out there, I guess. Okay. And she's so casual about this. And she's like, oh, he's bleeding. And they're like, from where? She's Like, I don't know, from the mouth, I guess. And they're like, okay, can you see. Does he have. Where is he shot? Is he breathing? And she's like, I think he's breathing. And then at one. And they're like, well, you need to perform cpr. Can you get down there, check to see if he's breathing and perform cpr? And she's like, I don't know how to perform cpr. I'm not doing that. And the lady's like, someone's gotta perform cpr. She's like, I don't care if you know or not. I'll fucking tell you how to do it. She's like, ask the lady with you. Does she know cpr? Will she. She is someone willing to do cpr. This lady would not go near this man. Basically, she did everything but say, gross. It's like, dude, help this guy.

[Devin Shriner]

I understand how messy this is. Can you send somebody qualified for that?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

If I'm ever shot and killed and this lady's calling 911, I'm going to be fucking upset because. And then at one point she's like, no, I don't think he's breathing anymore. And he what? Yeah. And then the 911 operators like, can you get down and first of all make sure he's not breathing? And then start fucking CPR if he's not breathing.

[Devin Shriner]

And she's a real casual ass way to say, I think I just watched him die.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, I think this guy just died in my driveway.

[Devin Shriner]

Right?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

And then she's like, I don't know. Like, she's like, not do it. And the lady's like, ma'am, ma'am. And then, then she goes. The lady on the other line's like, well, the police are here now, so I'll let them handle it. And the 901 opera just don't do that. The 911 lady just goes, yeah, just do that. Just do that. And hangs up like. She's just like, I want to fucking strangle you, you asshole. You're making my job really difficult. So anyway, this poor postal worker is shot four times and dies in this neighborhood.

[Devin Shriner]

Jesus.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

In front of a bank of mailboxes. It's one of those neighborhoods that has the banks of mailboxes. We gotta stop at him. Yeah, it's one of those. And so he's laying there. He has got three gunshot wounds to the body and a gunshot wound to the face. Oh, wow. Face. I think it was 1, 2, 3. To the body. And then one to the face after that.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh, to make sure.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

To make sure. So this is like someone's really mad about too many Publishers Clearinghouse fucking advertisements coming to them. I don't know what's going on here.

[Devin Shriner]

Man's never showing up yet. Well, he's dead now.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

He's all dead. So this was next to a. Near a cluster of mailboxes on Heatherhill street just west of Renaissance Drive. And so they, there's different, varying witness statements. As far as how many gunshots. Some people heard five, some people heard three. It's four. Based on the video that I heard, I heard four. So. And this is 12:32pm, middle of the day.

[Devin Shriner]

Middle of the day, yeah.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

It's the weirdest thing. So they find that the mail carrier, his name is, his name is Jason Schaefer and He's born in 1988 and he has a five year old son. He's considered a real nice guy. People in the neighborhood talk about how he brings the mail up to the door for like elderly people who can't. Mobility problems and shit. Like, real nice guy. Everybody says, oh, even as a mailman, he's just a good guy.

[Devin Shriner]

My mailman's still bringing me other people's mail.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I get shit. Yeah, I get shit from other people all the time. And they know exactly. Hey, you know exactly who we are here. Damn it.

[Devin Shriner]

You know what? The number's right on the fucking box. Stop putting other numbers in there.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So after, at the, after the scene cleared, all the neighbors were all gathered around the whole thing. They all went and got their fucking mail that he just dropped off. They were like, well, I guess I got nothing else. So they all went to the mailbox frame.

[Devin Shriner]

It was last one.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That's it. So the neighbors, here's one person said, it's so sad that this poor person was just doing their job. You're in a peaceful area, a beautiful neighborhood. You would never think once that this would happen to you. She said she's had wonderful conversations with her mail carrier. She says, I'm really just heartbroken for them just doing their daily job. One other delivery worker said that he, quote, never really had any encounters on that street or anything like that. And said, it's definitely a shame too that this happened. Whatever the reason, someone else said you wouldn't expect, you wouldn't expect like your mailman would be hurt. I assume that's the tone of voice that's being said or something would happen to him. This is a pretty nice neighborhood, I'd say. So it's just weird that it was right there in broad daylight too. You stuck, like, in a place where like, doesn't belong at all. So people said that he was known throughout the neighborhood. One guy said he hand delivered mail to some of the houses because they weren't capable of getting to the mailbox. Another guy, then they. So they're looking over this and they think. It seems like a pretty personal act.

[Devin Shriner]

Feels that way. Yeah.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah. It doesn't seem like I'm mad about my mail. To shoot somebody that many times in the middle of the street.

[Devin Shriner]

Doesn't seem like I'm mad at my ex wife. There goes the mailman. I'll take it out.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah.

[Devin Shriner]

You know what?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I also don't like him.

[Devin Shriner]

That stupid fucking hat.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Is he fucking my wife? That's the only. I don't know.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah. So stupid shorts.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

They're saying that this seems like somebody who wanted to look him in the eyes when he. When they did what they did, they shot him right in the face. So that's. That's really personal. Real personal. So they describe the person they saw as a man with a hoodie and a blue mask. And several cameras around the area caught the shooting as well as the suspect running through the neighborhood on various cameras. You could just put the footage together and make a whole movie out of it. People don't realize it's just like that guy, the Telus guy in Vegas. Remember the guy who was like a city council member who shot one of the other people. He's on every camera. There's his car, there's him walking to it. There's another. And you could just connect the camera footage to watch him come in and out of the neighborhood. Do people not realize that every single house has a fucking camera on it now? I don't think they realize, like, it's crazy. So they all catch that. One person here from the police department said one witness saw kind of this shadowy figure standing across the street. Almost like they were just waiting. Like they knew they were waiting at the mailboxes for him to show up. Another person said, whoever. They said, whoever this person was, they specifically had waited for Jason to be by himself before approaching from across the street. This was a strong indicator to us that this was planned. Nobody's just hanging out on the sidewalk. And then they're like, I'll shoot the mailman to death. Like, that's odd. So these video cameras here, they have one that has the shots heard. And I've seen the video, and you hear the shots and then you See a small, dark colored little SUV traveling westbound on Heatherhill Street.

[Devin Shriner]

Okay.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So they said it's unknown at the time if that vehicle was involved in the incident or not, but you can see it. You can also see a person running southeast across Heather Hill street on these.

[Devin Shriner]

On these, like towards or away from that car?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Towards the car. Yeah. So they said the one camera here found at 12:06, this is six or 26 minutes before the shooting that a black Nissan SUV missing the right front passenger hubcap was seen driving past the residence, then back onto Summerlin Lane, eastbound toward Renaissance Drive.

[Devin Shriner]

You better not ever commit a car or murder in front of, in a car that is very easily identifiable.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah. A distinctive looking car.

[Devin Shriner]

Get yourself with missing a hubcap.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah. Get yourself a white Chevy Malibu with all the hubcaps. Every rental car on earth. That's all they'll know.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So they. Another camera that was on the back of the house facing on a back of a house facing west towards Renaissance drive got at 12:32pm this video caught a person running southbound from where the incident happened. They said the person didn't seem particularly tall and was wearing what appeared to be a long sleeve dark colored top with a possible hood and dark colored pants and a blue face mask. Again, so again a resident here at 2420 Summerlin Court, they said that they saw a black SUV which they thought was maybe a Subaru backed into an access road to a field at the end of Renaissance and Summerlin Drive. So this is like a whole setup. Somebody was waiting, they had a car parked. Yeah, yeah. This is crazy. So the postmaster arrives at the scene, the big boss of the area. I'm sure it wasn't the United States Postal Inspector General or whatever. I'm sure it was just whoever ran what he is, runs the local post office. He shows up here and right away looks down, sees who it is and says quote, did the baby mama do it? That's what he's, that's his first statement is did the baby mama do it? Which is interesting. Yeah, very interesting. He does have a child, a five year old child with a woman named Devin Rebecca Shriner, who is a few years younger than him. She is born in August of 1995 and they had been having some contentious back and forth about custody of the kid. So they and the police start their investigation. They say this is not a, like a postal, this isn't business. He wasn't killed over business. Probably, probably has nothing to do with the post office.

[Devin Shriner]

Real upset about that rate hike in.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

The City goddamn fucking three cents, really. So they look into his personal life and of course his ex girlfriend, who by the way, this guy knows the quote baby mama because she also is a post office worker. She's a mailman.

[Devin Shriner]

Is that right?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

She's also a male person. So. Okay, yeah. So they both, they met while they were working for the US Postal Service and back in 2013 or something.

[Devin Shriner]

Is that a real incestuous group?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I guess so. I mean, I think everybody that works together just fucks each other. That's just the way it works.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, I suppose.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'm not an office guy. And you were in your truck the whole time dealing with like linemen and shit, so probably wasn't the same for us. But I think if you weren't.

[Devin Shriner]

I don't want to fuck them anyway.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

No, I would hope not. You want to fuck a dirty guy named Ralph.

[Devin Shriner]

They all got nicknames, man.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Of course they do, because their name's Ralph. Nobody wants to go by that. So their son was born in 2015, like we said, and then they were not together very long after that. A little bit on Devin Shriner. She currently works at the Loveland post office. He works at the Longmont Post office. Jason, she's on the other end. She works at the Loveland post office and lives in Fort Collins. Jason's mother said Jason wanted a family. So when Devin got pregnant, he was very happy and we were very happy for them. But right after the birth of the son, there was trouble and apparently he moved out about when the kid was about six months old. He moves out.

[Devin Shriner]

That's a fast relationship.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Sour quickly. Yeah, they didn't even give it a chance to. We'll get through this first year and see if it gets any easier.

[Devin Shriner]

He also got a soft spot, for Christ's sake.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

For sure. Yeah, he's on stage one still, for fuck's sake. He's not even getting the little tiny chunks. So they break up. The mother, this is Jason's mother, said their values were not the same. She did not want to work. She felt she didn't have to work being a mother. But you need two paychecks. Their relationship started to deteriorate and they broke up. Jason tried to get along and co parent together and that wasn't working very well. So Jason wound up getting a lawyer to set up a parenting plan.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh boy.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

They don't get along at all. As a matter of fact, it's been getting worse and worse and worse. And we'll tell You a few factors. Why? One is, two weeks before this murder, she still worked at the Longmont Post Office with him. She got fired from there for getting into a dispute with him at work.

[Devin Shriner]

Holy.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So that's the fucking thing she got shit canned from there for. And I guess it was. Must have been her doing the driving of this, because she's the one who got fired. She ends up moving over to the Loveland Post office that week. She gets hired by them. So she ends up with another postal job. But they were working together as of two weeks ago.

[Devin Shriner]

Jesus.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

And a postal friend that knew both of them. A postal friend. That's a weird way to put it. Sounds like she just mails her correspondence to you.

[Devin Shriner]

They don't call themselves pen pals, because they should.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So she said that they knew them. You know, she knew them both this person. And said that Devin had worked at the Longmont Post office for a long time, and the couple's son was the source of tension between the two. And several years ago, Jason had even filed a restraining order against her because.

[Devin Shriner]

They had some problems before he got her pregnant. He.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

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[Devin Shriner]

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[Jimmy Whitzman]

The friend also said he was always concerned about whether or not Devin liked him or if Devin was okay. That's what this friend said about him and her. Now, two days earlier, before the shooting. So that was two weeks earlier, she got fired and had to go get another job with another post office. Two days before he was killed, Jason filed for increased custody of his son. Two days, she was just kid less money. She was just served the day before with the notice for it.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh, shit.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So that's interesting. A county prosecutor later said in looking at her phone, it was clear that she was served with paperwork. She was aware that he was seeking increased custody and time with their shared child. That's not good. And then if that's not enough to cause. And that's enough to cause a lot of strife in a relationship, here's the big kicker now. As of June of this year, for the last few months, Devin's sister Rosa has been living with Jason. She moved in there with him. They're in a relationship now. Rosa and Devin hate each other. Now, clearly, this is not going well at all. Very bad.

[Devin Shriner]

He is going to be an uncle.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Daddy, he's an uncle. Yeah, she's gonna be an auntie. Auntie, Mommy. One of the two.

[Devin Shriner]

This is no good.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So Jason's mother said just before the murder, Jason mentioned that his girlfriend Rosa was living with him. I didn't think it was a very good idea because Rosa was Devin's younger sister. I told Jason, younger sister, too. I told Jason, quote, you've opened up a bad can of worms here. Yeah, that's not only a can of worms. They're all rotten in there. They're all dead and rotted. And festering. They all had like syphilis and shit. These are a can of dead syphilitic worms. That's what he's opened up for the mailbox people too. She does. Not that I know of. So this is fucking crazy. So between the last two weeks of time and the sister moving in, there's a lot of shit building up here.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh, boy. I mean, if she didn't do it, wow, she's got all the reasons.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I mean, she's the unluckiest person in the world if she didn't do it. So then they figured out that Devin, they looked her up after hearing all this. They found out that she drives a 2017 black Nissan Rogue, which is a little SUV. A little black SUV.

[Devin Shriner]

How many hubcaps you got?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

And she has a missing hubcap in her front right passenger.

[Devin Shriner]

In the one that we need to be missing.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Not good. As a matter of fact, yeah, you can see because they had an automated license plate reader captured the vehicle in May of 2021, and it can be seen missing the right front passenger hubcap on that picture. She also has a new boyfriend. Also her, not really new. She's been knowing and seeing this guy for a long time. I'll tell you exactly how long because it's pretty gross. His name is Andrew James Ritchie. Goes by aj.

[Devin Shriner]

Aj.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

AJ Ritchie. He's a prison guard at Englewood Prison.

[Devin Shriner]

Fantastic.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

He's a CEO, so you know, he's a great guy too. You never know. So they, they met when he was 20 and she was. Buckle up, everybody. Thirteen.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh, Jesus.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That's when they met. So there's been something going on.

[Devin Shriner]

Yuck.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Since this time, allegedly, that's been going on here. So that's interesting. Federal employee, she just loves. She just loves a man in uniform. She doesn't give a fuck what the uniform is. I like a guy with steady benefits, okay?

[Devin Shriner]

Get over your AutoZone.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So the. This is one of the people here, the police people said they learned that Devin Shriner was not happy about Jason dating her sister. We know that for sure. She had vented to multiple friends, including AJ Ritchie, about her anger at the situation, including saying such things as, quote, they have a new family now. My son Jason and my sister. Yikes, Yikes. Now, by the way, aj, this is her boyfriend, is currently living with his ex wife and kids. And she says X. I don't know if they're divorced or what, but he lives with them. And the only time she gets to see AJ for the most part is on Wednesdays because he's off that day. And so she'll take her lunch break at his house and fuck him. I guess that's how that works. Yeah, it's wild. She comes over every Wednesday for lunch. That's her jam.

[Devin Shriner]

She is his Wednesday. That's terrible.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

It's crazy. And their lunches are very classy, as we'll find out.

[Devin Shriner]

Sure.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So they find all this out. They find out that their son, Jason and Devin's son goes to the Gateway Montresori Montessori School in Longmont. So they go and they pick up the kid here because they don't want Devin to get the kid at this point because they think she's a murder suspect. So they really don't want to have her have a kid in her possession. So they go pick the kid up. And plus, that will make her come to the police station if the kid's there, right? Yeah. That's what they're trying to do, get.

[Devin Shriner]

Control of you fast.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yep. They call up Rosa, too, to, like, keep. Like, basically hang out with the kid at the police station so he's not sitting there with strangers, which pisses her off mightily, as you might imagine. And they find out from the school, they get Devin's cell phone number, which then they can get all the information they have. So that's what they do. And they absolutely get everything from Verizon that they can. While at the school, they spoke with Rosa. Now, the detectives speak with Rosa, and Rosa said that Devin's in a romantic relationship with AJ and that Rosa said also she's received. That Jason has received threats from Devin and AJ and has messages and court paperwork at his residence about these threats, texts and stuff like that. And Devin also threatened that AJ would shoot Jason. Like, I'll have AJ shoot you. Okay. Now, so where was she during the murder? Let's find out.

[Devin Shriner]

That's a good question.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That's a good question. Well, the Postal service here, the U.S. postal Service, whatever the fuck here, office utilizes all sorts of technology, including GPS on all of their scanning devices. They're used for a bunch. They scan packages. They also constantly report GPS data to USPS servers throughout the day. And so that they can see exactly where you were, exactly what happened, and make sure that you're doing your job.

[Devin Shriner]

And it doesn't just protect the customers and people out on the road, and it protects you. Lets them know where you are at all times.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

If you get kidnapped, they'll know. So that's how that goes. And so they're looking with that the scanners require a login to use the device scanning. They scan their employee id, which then associates with the letter carrier to a specific device. Joins them together during this investigation. They review the scan and GPS records and you know, related to Devin and they said that when they did that they found an extended period of time on the day of the shooting where the GPS data indicated the scanner was stationary. Oh, from, from 11:00am to 1:30pm Two.

[Devin Shriner]

And a half hours.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Just sat two and a half hours. It is, it is at her boyfriend's house. It's at AJ's house. That's where the GPS says.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, so it's a long lunch break.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That is a long lunch there, boy. So the activity is unusual as the scanners normally display movement at regular intervals. You know, because you're delivering shit basically walking, driving. So they said that at approximately 10:15am the scanner device indicated she headed to begin delivering mail that day. And then like we said, 11 something it shuts off and then 130 it comes back on, it starts moving again. So they, she was supposed to be delivering mail about 30 miles north of here in Loveland. But GPS data from her mail scanner shows that it stalled at AJ's house like we said, during the time of the killing, an hour before to an hour after. So that's not good. They said it was 1106am until 1:28pm The GPS device was pinging in the area of Trade Wind Court in Loveland. More specifically the 3101 Trade Wind Court in Loveland, which is where AJ lives. Interesting. So they said that it's common for a GPS advice device to experience a phenomenon known as GPS drift, which the same device reporting several latitude and longitude combinations even when stationary. So they said the. During this they noticed they observed numerous pings in the area while the GPS device was listing a speed of zero and a direction of 999. Which means it's not going anywhere. Even if there was a it sat somewhere, if it pinged to like two houses away, it's just because of the drift, it didn't go anywhere. So they said at 1:22pm the scanner started moving again and it returned to the Loveland main postal dock port around 4.31pm so she went out and finished her route.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Okay, so that's her.

[Devin Shriner]

Her two and a half hour fuck session and tuna sandwich.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Well, we'll find out about that. Actually, it's definitely not a tuna sandwich also, which is hilarious. I do like her choice of a lunch. It's pretty good. So on the morning of now, they got cell phone data too. On the morning of the shooting, cell phone data showed Devin and AJ were both at her Fort Collins apartment before they drove to AJ's home in Loveland. At that point, it appeared that AJ took Shriner to the Loveland post office, after which Devin began her route. And AJ drove into Longmont and began following Jason around on his route.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh, no.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, that's very fucking interesting here. They said that. And then by the time everything's over, by 5:18pm she's back in Fort Collins, seen walking her dog. So she called at 5:27pm, called the Longmont Police Department to speak with a detective who had been. She had heard they were trying to talk to her. She said, I heard the phone call too. She's very much like an attitude. Like I just keep hearing I'm supposed to talk to you. And they're like, well, you should come down to the station. Something happened with your ex boyfriend or your son's father. And she's like, my son's supposed to be with his father right now. Where is my son? And he's like, well, we picked him up. And she's like, I did not give you permission to pick up my son. And they're like, well, either way he's here, so you wanna come on down. And you know, and they're like super calm. They're like, come on down, I'll give you my number and all this. And she has, we didn't have to.

[Devin Shriner]

Get your permission by the way, dude.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

She has the most. I'm on hold with customer service attitude of all fucking time.

[Devin Shriner]

Meanwhile, the father of her child is laying dead.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

She doesn't know, they didn't tell her that yet. So according to her, she's like, no one will even tell me what happened. And they're like, yeah, it's kind of complicated. So it's kind of an in person convers. We don't really want to get into it over the phone, especially while you're driving, you know, you're already clearly upset.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, just come down here and be upset with us.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So she drove her 2007 black Nissan Rogue with a missing hubcap to the police department located at 225 Kimbark street here and parked in the north parking lot. Two detectives went and looked through the closed window of the vehicle and they found they saw a blue face mask.

[Devin Shriner]

What?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

And a black hoodie that was lined and had a zipper and a drawstring. They're like, okay, well there's that's what the murderer was wearing. That's interesting.

[Devin Shriner]

We got a uniform in here.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

No shit. So they tow the vehicle away to have it, you know, processed and everything like that. So where was her boyfriend that day? Besides where indeed he started following him? We'll find out. Okay. A search of his cell phone location and data showed his path that matched up exactly with Jason's path the entire time. He stalked Jason all morning. Crazy, one of the cops said in watching that. It's almost scary. AJ was on top of Jason almost the entire mail route. It looked like AJ had been waiting for Jason's mail truck to leave the post office that morning. Then AJ followed him all around for two or three hours.

[Devin Shriner]

Like an FBI agent?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, like a fucking private investigator. A rideshare vehicle used by the Englewood Prison where he worked as a guard was seen on camera several times following Schaefer's postal van, also. And AJ's cell phone data and GPS data from the AJ. Or I'm sorry, AJ, cell phone data and the GPS data from Schaefer's postal scanner appeared to be in the same locations for the entire morning. Surveillance cameras detected Devin's suv, identifiable by the missing hubcap on its passenger side, driving into the neighborhood of the shooting and parking on Renaissance Drive, south of the shooting scene. Then they. This is crazy, right? It's like it's.

[Devin Shriner]

This is the worst murder.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

It's the worst murder ever. You can put it together. You can literally make a film out of the cars being followed and people running away. And then you can have next to it running a map of these people following him around. It's the worst murder of all time.

[Devin Shriner]

It's been GPS coordinated.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

You might as well have walked into the fucking police station covered in his blood. It would be the only other way to look more guilty than this.

[Devin Shriner]

You may as well have handcuffed yourself to a cop and walked him while you did it.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Oh, shit. Hey, watch this. It's fucking ridiculous, man. It's absolutely nuts. Another security camera picked up the person approaching the van. The. This is Jason Schaefer's postal van. Then heard the sound of gunshots, then showed the person running from the area in the hoodie and the blue face mask. Security cameras then captured the person running south before Devin's SUV was seen again, this time leaving the area. It's not good. It's not good. Then they found worse shit than that, if that's possible. Okay, Number one, they found that this is not. This has been going on a long time. They found a picture on AJ's phone later, from June 13 of that year, so months earlier, of him at a heat. AJ took this picture at 11:35 at night outside of Jason's apartment of a picture of Rosa's SUV with her license plate in it.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh, my God.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

And they asked. They asked Rosa, was there any reason for him to be there? Did he come over to, like, help you guys or hang out or something and take a picture? And they went, absolutely not. No reason for him to be there. He was stalking us. So they found. This is from the detective. Quote, there was this saved Snapchat photo that AJ Ritchie had screenshotted and saved to his phone. It showed an individual taking a selfie in a bathroom wearing the exact same outfit the shooter had on. And it's Devin in the picture where the exacts. It's a picture of her taking a fucking selfie of herself wearing her murder outfit and sending it to him. And then he, like a dipshit, screenshots it. Yeah, Is this a good murder outfit? Yes or no?

[Devin Shriner]

This is supposed to disappear, but I want to hang on to this for posterity, and I'm gonna jerk off to.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

This a little later on. Just seeing your eyes, it makes me hot. If that wasn't enough shit to go on, there's also an assload of text messages that are really incriminating. I don't know if. The only thing I can think is that Devin thought, they'll never suspect me, even though I'm the ex two days ago, who's fighting with him at work and has been served with papers two days ago. Because there's no way anybody who thought they'd be a suspect would even do all this. It's crazy.

[Devin Shriner]

Fascinating. It's like she's never heard of Dateline. It's like she's never, never seen a single Nothing in 2021.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That's inexcusable in 2021. You have to know better, right?

[Devin Shriner]

This is crazy.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Never seen a documentary. Investigation Discovery never came in on her TV years ago. It's not on any.

[Devin Shriner]

You know, we. We do make fun of people that Google how to. How to mer. I do kind of commend somebody for the seat of their pants.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

At least they tried the Googler. At least tried. These people didn't even try. This is terrible.

[Devin Shriner]

I'm so good at this. Watch this.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

It's fucking crazy.

[Devin Shriner]

Take one. I'm a winner.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

From July 8, 2021. AJ sent Devin a text about, quote, ending Rosa and Jason. Another text. They went back and Forth that he sent one to her saying, quote, you could just kill them both. These messages have been saved, sent months ago. And it's fucking crazy. They said they then, then Jason had filed for the more time. Cell phone data showed that they were on a call AJ and Devin for nearly three hours the morning of the murder as well. So like the whole time he's. He followed Jason for three hours. So the whole time they're on the. That he's following Jason, he's on the phone with her telling her exactly what he's doing.

[Devin Shriner]

What he's doing.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, they said, they said, we believe he was coordinating with Devin. He was sending information back to Devin about where Jason could be found on the mail route. AJ's the lookout for Devin. So like we said, she called the investigators about 5:30 and agreed to drive to Longmont to meet the investigator. Investigator shows up in her car with the murder outfit, sitting on the front seat like a fucking idiot. She's so bad at murder, this person, so bad at it. I hope she's a better mailman or no one has gotten their fucking correct mail in years.

[Devin Shriner]

This is why she's been fired.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

This is bad at this crazy. So she shows up and the only way I can, I can explain this interrogation would be imagine. Imagine you were just like walking through Target, going through the aisles and two police officers grabbed you, took you and sat you in a fucking. In a chair in the interrogation office and said, we're gonna talk to you about a murder. You'd be like, hold on. The fuck are you talking? That's how she is. She acts like first of all, she's like, first of all, she won't even let the detective talk. Which is a sign of huge sign of guilt when people do that. Always her eyes are like. You can see the whites of her eyes. She does not blink the whole time. Like has this guy in her sights the whole time.

[Devin Shriner]

It's like a cat you just got wet.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, yeah. She is angry that she's there and all she'll talk about is why was my son picked up from school. I did not give my son permission to be picked up from school. And he goes, okay, well that's great. And the cop is super calm. He's like, listen, that's good. And I understand that. She keeps saying, without my permission. And they're like, yeah, but the guy even says, he goes, well, listen, I mean this is your ex here who's killed. And when he tells her he's been killed and she goes, well, what happened well, first she buries her head. She goes, yeah, he's been killed. He died today is what the cop says. And she just goes like this. Puts her head in one hand and goes, that's it. And then she goes, what happened? But there's no. Like, she put her head in her hand. Like, I should show some emotion here. Realized the well was dry.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, this is where people show emotion.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

And. And then just came up. Yeah, she told. Like, the look was like, oh, we just saw in your car. We were outside and it looks like one of your tires is flat. You. That's what she did. It was just like that. Like, that's inconvenient. So you want to be a marketer? It's easy.

[Devin Shriner]

You just have to score a ton.

[James Petragallo]

Of leads and figure out a way.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

To turn them all into customers.

[Devin Shriner]

Plus manage a dozen channels, write a million blogs, and launch a hundred campaigns all at once. When that's done, simply make your socials.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Go viral and bring in record profits. No sweat.

[James Petragallo]

Okay, fine, it's a lot of sweat.

[Devin Shriner]

But with HubSpot's AI powered marketing tools, launching benchmark breaking campaigns is easier than ever. Get [e-mail] marketers.

[AJ Ritchie]

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[Jason Schaefer]

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[Jimmy Whitzman]

Supe. Then he goes, well? She said, well, what happened? And he goes, well, he was shot in the face. And she goes in the face? Like, that's her reaction. In the face?

[Devin Shriner]

In the face.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

He's dead? Yeah, in the face. Like, oh, my God, that's horrible.

[Devin Shriner]

The worst place. It was my favorite thing about him.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Not his face. So. But she kept. And then she's going back to her son. So where's my son? It's like, hold on. We just told you this guy got shot in the face and all you're concerned about. And he even said, well, you know, we got family down here. There's lots of people that we're talking to right now. And she's like, is my dad here? And they're like, who's your dad? He knows everybody that's there, but they just want to get. And she goes, big, dark Mexican guy, Raul. And he's like, I don't know. I'm not sure. He goes, we got Rosa here. And she's like, you got my sister, okay? And they're like, yeah, your sister's watching your son right now. She's like, well, she does not have custody of her, and we do not. I don't want her around. The guy's like, that's great. Let's get back to your. Let's get back to the shot in the face part. Remember that? Remember?

[Devin Shriner]

Right. Can you calm down? One hubcap. This is not good.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

And then she's like. She goes in the face. Then she goes, I didn't even think he was working today. Jason. I thought Jason was off today. Then they're like, okay, well, look, before we go any further, we have to read you your rights because. And the guy tries to play it real casual. She's super offended that they're reading her rights, by the way. She's like, you have to read me my rights. Why? Like, I don't understand. She goes, well, you know, he goes, you know, when there's a murder, you know, we just have to. We have to look at, like, the butler and the. The bookie that he said he owes money to, and you know, exes. And I don't think he has a butler, and I don't think he gambles. So, you know, you're the ex, so we got to talk to you.

[Devin Shriner]

We're gonna count the candlesticks, all that, all that shit.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So, you know, she's super offended by this, though. And she's just like, the whole time she's looking at him like, this is crazy. Oh, my God. So they said it's obviously, quote, you have to rule out the butler, the ex, the bookie, you know, that's what he says. Real casual. She says. So he reads her the rights, and then he asks her, you know, where were you today? And she says, well, I was at work, so I don't know what you're even bothering me for. Like, she's like, I was at work, so I couldn't have killed him. Obviously, case closed. That's it. Okay. Expected him to go, all right, nevermind. And he even says. He goes, oh, well, that's great. That's a great alibi. He goes, terrific. He goes, that's good. Then hopefully we can get you out of here pretty quick. You know, we'll get that gunshot residue test and then we'll get you right out of here. And she's like, why would you do that? I don't understand. Like, she keeps. It's really fucking funny. Then she says her rights have been violated because they're talking about doing gunshot residue tests on her and shit. And she's like, well, my rights have been violated because you took my son from the school. So she thinks she's gonna fucking complain her way out of a murder investigation?

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah. What's right was violated? What are you talking about?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

This is not customer service at the Walmart. This is a fucking murder investigation. You can't just yell your way out of it and stomp off. So she says that she's very upset that the sister is with the son again, and she doesn't want the cops to talk to her son either. She said, well, you don't have my permission to talk to my son. And they go, well, we don't really need it because he's a witness, so we're gonna talk to him. They're just like, ignoring everything she says. Well, since you're in custody at the. No, you're not in custody, but you are a suspect. You don't really have any rights over him right this minute. And since his other parent is dead, we're just gonna hand him to someone who doesn't seem like a murderer. And see how that goes for that.

[Devin Shriner]

Also somebody that kind of sides with us and thinks that we should probably ask him some questions.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, one of those. You know, one of those people, Rosa.

[Devin Shriner]

Seems good with it.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

She seems all right with all this. And so, yeah, they tell her, we don't fucking need your permission. We're going to talk to your son. And she's not happy about that. That's like the first 20 minutes, by the way, of just irritating back and forth where you're just like, this fucking lady is really irritating. So then they finally get into the part about Jason. She finally gets over the son and all that kind of shit. And she said that the relationship wasn't great. Jason moved out when the baby was six months old. She said she filed a restraining order against him in 2016 after an altercation when she asked him to. This was after they had moved out with each other and everything. He was over, and she asked him to leave, and he got a little physical, so she filed it. But I don't know anything if that's real or not, but I do know that he filed one against her. But I'm not sure if they did it against each other or what happened here. So then they tell her that, well, we saw your car near this scene. It was seen by several witnesses. And they go, it's very distinctive with that missing hubcap. They go, honestly, how many black Nissan Rogues with a missing hubcap are there in the area? Probably not a lot. You know what I mean? And she's like, why didn't I get the fucking hubcap fixed? So they said, also a plate reader picked it up near the crime scene at the time of the murder. And so you mix all that.

[Devin Shriner]

That's the other part about big cities, man.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

These traffic, they're like, so, you know, not only did it. Was it seen with the hubcat missing, but then we know it was in that area because.

[Devin Shriner]

And she's paid the toll.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, she's saying that, you know, I was at my fucking. I was at my boyfriend's house the whole time. So I don't know what you're talking about. And they're like, yeah, but you weren't, because your car was here. So they ask her, does anyone else. Did anybody borrow your car? Does anyone else have keys? And she's like, well, I mean, I have another set, but I don't even know where they are, so. No. No one borrowed my car.

[Devin Shriner]

Don't do that.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

It's fucking crazy. So they said, it makes your cars very distinctive. Then they said, then your GPS stopped, like an hour and a half before the murder starts up again an hour after the murder. That doesn't look good. And she's like, well, I don't know what happened with the GPS because I was at AJ Ritchie's house eating lunch when my scanner was stalled. I don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't there for two and a half hours. I don't know anything about that. So she. They said, so you were there with AJ Eating lunch? And she said, yes, absolutely. They said, well, what'd you have? Pizza rolls. Which. Good choice. I love a pizza roll.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

They said, what kind of bag?

[Devin Shriner]

I hope.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, what kind of pizza roll? She goes, I don't know, I didn't make them. You can tell in two seconds if it's the good one. It's the totino.

[Devin Shriner]

Are they store bought or tortoin?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Those shit genos. Well, we know what. Yeah, we know what they are here. So she. So they said, but you were there the whole time eating lunch with him. And she's like, yeah, absolutely. That's what we were doing. I go over every Wednesday. Turns out there's surveillance video showing him eating lunch with friends at Hooters during the time of the shooting. He's at fucking Hooters with his pals eating lunch.

[Devin Shriner]

This guy, he's eating garbage food to look at titties today.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

He's eating shit worse than fucking pizza rolls. Yeah, I'd rather have pizza rolls than Hooters. Hooters is terrible. Food is awful.

[Devin Shriner]

That's so funny.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So that is fucking amazing. She said that if she didn't scan packages, her GPS might go dormant. But that's maybe the maybe why it went dormant. But I was at my boyfriend's house. He was there with me. And the guy says over and over he goes, you know, people just don't kill mail men for no reason. They're like, it's just not a real highly targeted group of people, you know? It's just not.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, they blend into the landscape too. Nobody's even looking for them.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, and then they also say, we've also heard, because Jason told a lot of people this, that you told Jason that your boyfriend AJ would, quote, shoot him. Is that true?

[Devin Shriner]

Oops, the daisy.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

And she's like, I don't know what you're talking about.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, I don't recall.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So they ask her. They go, we're just gonna ask you straight out, who was it? Was it you? Was it aj? There's Two cars that were seen, so it could have been either one of you. One car left, and then another one showed up. So. And then at one point he goes, we think it was you.

[Devin Shriner]

Right.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

You know, just because it looks like a smaller person. Also in the video, it doesn't look like AJ Who's a big burly guy.

[Devin Shriner]

And the murder uniforms on your passenger seat.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, we also found that. Well, they said, quote, we think it was you. She takes up, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen in an interrogation. We think it was you. She takes a long pause and goes, thanks. The best I can describe it is thanks. Question mark. That's.

[Devin Shriner]

Thanks.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That's the oddest response to we think that you're the murderer in the video. Thanks. It's not like they said there's this really sexy murderer, like, smoking hot bod, like all this stuff.

[Devin Shriner]

Pretty sure it's you.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Thanks. But not me.

[Devin Shriner]

Your ex boyfriend's dead and the murderer had great tits. We think it's you.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

We think it's you. Looking at you and looking at the video. You got a rack to die for, sweetheart, I'm telling you.

[Devin Shriner]

Thanks.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Thanks. And they're like. And the cop is, like, taken aback. He's gotta just. I'm surprised he didn't go, hold on a minute. And go out and tell everybody what just happened. Can you believe she just said Colorado.

[Devin Shriner]

Murderers giving that one word. That's the dumbest fucking thing they could have said.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, exactly. Him and sweet and thanks. Sweet and thanks. Fucking crazy. Yeah, he's total Chris Watts here. So they ask, is it you or your boyfriend? And they said, your car is there. Your texts say you're guilty. They tell her they're gonna do a GSR test on her. And they said, have you handled any firearms lately? And she says, no. And then she goes, I don't know if I should. Should I be asking for an attorney? Or. I don't know how you go about that or what I should be saying right now. And he goes, well, you want an attorney? You can have an attorney. We'll stop right now. And she goes, yeah, I think I should have one. And they go, okay. And they leave the room. And then a postal inspector comes in. Now, the postal inspector, whether she's asked for an attorney or not, can still talk to her because this is about work. This has nothing to fucking do with the murder. Even though it's all about the murder too. But he's going in and asking her about her work shit, which has nothing to do with that. So he enters the room, it's work related. And this guy acts like he's just. He goes, I don't know what's going on here. I'm just trying to, you know, maybe you can help me, you know what I mean? I don't know. You probably know more about these scanners than I do.

[Devin Shriner]

Do you happen to have the scanner? Because you're fired.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, we're. Go ahead and take your employee id. She said she went to the residence for lunch around 12pm she knows the access code to get into AJ's home. So she entered the code, went into the residence on her own. She said they had pizza, rolls and water that he cooked for her, which we know is a lie because he's at Hooters. She said that she and AJ argued while she was there and that AJ left in his vehicle, which was described as a big truck. And she said she went in her postal vehicle, sat in it and cried for a while, and then went back to work. So she said, yeah, it was her boyfriend's day's day off. She always went there to spend lunch with him, you know, because he lives with his wife and all. So pizza rolls and arguing. She said she doesn't. She does own firearms. I'm sorry, but doesn't know where they are at her house. I don't know where my. I have a 5 year old, but I don't know where I keep my guns.

[Devin Shriner]

I'm not sure.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I keep a five year old and loose guns around the house. That's how this works.

[Devin Shriner]

I know where my kid is, but not my gun.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Not my guns. She said in November 2020, she went to a shooting range and she shot a long gun and she didn't know what kind. And she said she is familiar with guns and has shot firearms in the past. They asked did she have her cell phone with her the whole time? She said yes, nobody borrowed her phone. She's the only one. Also, she says to access her car that day. She's the only one who drives it and she has the only set of keys that she knows of. She doesn't even know where the other ones are. This all comes to a head without her confessing or her doing anything. And they're just like, well, I guess by the way, she could have gotten up and left at any point in this. She was not under arrest. Rather than keep looking guilty, she could have said, I'm taking my son and going home. Fuck you. And she would have absolutely been within her rights to do that. But she Didn't.

[Devin Shriner]

But she seemed to know her rights, James.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, she didn't want to hear him. So aj, they get him in there and AJ says, okay, fine, I'll tell you everything. Oh, yeah, he does. He initially denies it, but then he says he dropped her off at work and then drove around. He said he talked with Devin multiple times on the phone that morning because she had spoken of killing Schaefer and he was trying to persuade her not to go through with it. That's what he said.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

He then said that he was trying to warn Jason about Devin's plan to hurt him. That's why he was following him around. Never stopped and told him or anything, but just followed him around.

[Devin Shriner]

Yeah, Maybe the next house.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I don't know. He's got it. There's a couple packages there. I don't want to bother him with that. When the police asked why he didn't call the police if he thought that Devin was going to hurt Jason, he said that, quote, he didn't know if she was serious. I don't fucking know. He said that he told detectives that the threats to harm Jason had been going on for a while and they didn't seem as serious as on previous occasions. He's. Wow. He said, except for the three days before the shooting, when Devin messaged him a picture of herself dressed in clothes similar to those of the shooting suspect. The cop said, so, you know. Yeah, that was sent to him three days earlier. So according to this, Richie said that he took it upon himself to drive to Longmont and find Jason's truck and wait to confront Devin. He was gonna wait and go, you know, you go back in your car.

[Devin Shriner]

Don't do that.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

You. This is bad. So he admitted to following the truck the most, the mail truck most of the morning, waiting outside Jason's apartment during his break, and while he waited, he was on the phone with Devin, who he said told him that she wasn't going to harm Jason. He said then he briefly spoke to Devin, warning him, or briefly spoke to Jason warning him to watch out for Devin. He told police that at that point, he felt he had, quote, done all he could.

[Devin Shriner]

I did my due diligence.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

I did all I could and went back to Loveland, and that was that. So the cop said, there was extensive thought that went into this murder. Devin's going to plant her cell phone and her mail tracker up at AJ's house, and as soon as she knows that the last location for Jason, that she has a good idea where he's going to Be she gets down to Longmont from Loveland and this happens.

[Devin Shriner]

She left the tracker devices there at Jason's and then went out in broad.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Daylight and murdered somebody on 45 different cameras. Not smart. So she thought about technology very briefly, but not much more than that.

[Devin Shriner]

She thought about the ring doorbell, forgot.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

About all that shit. So, by the way, they arrest her, they arrest aj, obviously, while she's in jail. There's another ex boyfriend, by the way, who she's still sort of seeing here. His last name is Castaneda. And the detective asked her during the interrogation, was it aj? Did Castaneda do this? And she's like, why would you even bring him up, Castaneta? And he's like, I don't know, it's one of your boyfriends. Maybe you got him to do it. Or maybe he was mad about Jason or something. And she's like, no, I don't even talk to him. That's silly. So as soon as she's in jail, she's talking to him every day on the phone. By the way, this Castaneda guy, who's a complete. This guy is a fucking tool. Their jail phone calls are on YouTube with video.

[Devin Shriner]

With video you get to see their faces.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

So you can see him crying the entire phone call while she is just like, not. She has no emotion, stone faced and just like trying to get him to help her. So basically they got on the phone because he's telling her that, I don't know if you saw yet, but what just came out today, AJ confessed to everything and let it out. And he gave the police a picture of you in the outfit that the murder took place. And she's just silent.

[Devin Shriner]

She goes, that little ghost emoji dude.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

She said that he just tells her everything that AJ told the cops. And her response is, quote, I'm sorry you had to hear all that on the news. She's cold. She's cold, man. Yeah. And he says, I just wish I could have seen you again. And she says, I know. I wish I could see you too. And she goes, are you going to be okay? And he said, no, this is real bad. And she says, I'm sorry. I wish I knew what to say to make it better. Say you didn't kill this person. And, yeah, I wish I could make your situation better, but it's getting worse and it's not your job to make this better, like that kind of thing. And so she says, though, I'm sorry you're hurting. And he says, I love you. And she says, I Love you. This is no relationship, according to her. And I think she says, you don't have to say it if you don't want to. And he goes, I do. I want to. And she says, I know, I'm sorry. I wish I could fix things for you. And she said, I don't like seeing you upset. And oop, no, I don't want to use the kid's name at all because he's still definitely a minor. And her son's having a hard time because it's in the actual thing, but we won't use his name because that's crazy. Having a hard. I know you're having a hard time. And he says, yeah, I'll still call you every day if you don't, you know. And she says, you don't have to if you don't want to. And he says, well, I know it's hard for you right now. And then he's like, so what do you want me to do with your stuff? What do you want me to do with all your stuff?

[Devin Shriner]

He's still on the outside.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah. This guy? Yeah, it's her ex boyfriend and he had nothing to do with this. AJ's arrested and in jail, but this guy isn't. He's not arrested. So she's got her ex. Ex boyfriend doing her bidding for her on the outside. He's like, I'll go clean out your stuff in your apartment. Where do you want, what do you want me to do? And she says, just sell what you want. Just try to keep the jewelry and those personal things that, you know, I like. Everything else can go. It's really not that important.

[Devin Shriner]

In case I get out.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah, in case I get out. And at one point he goes, because I'm not gonna see you for 25 years now. It's fucking amazing.

[Devin Shriner]

It's like an eight year old.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Yeah. So they have a postal procession. They have 47 postal trucks take ride Schaefer's mail route as a parade. Yeah. They take 47 postal vans and they do a memorial procession. His doing his exact mail route every day. Which is hilarious. I don't mean to laugh. This poor guy is a fucking. But that's hilarious. Jason would go, guys, calm down, chill. You don't need to do that. Go around the block once.

[Devin Shriner]

I don't need 47 trucks going down my street.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That's crazy. Yeah. You're like, what the hell is going on out there? We're being invaded by the post office. What's happening? Are they a military force guys? The post Office has taken over. Be careful. So sorry.

[Devin Shriner]

My wife's got an Amazon thing. I apologize, guys.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Christ, that's amazing. So his mom speaks at the memorial and says, one thing I've learned through all of this is that he was like a little hummingbird, a butterfly. He just brought so much joy and whimsy to all of us. She said, I thought. Yeah, she said, I thought it was me. I would listen for the sound of his old mail car. And all the residents were there, too. One person said, this answered nothing. It wrecked everybody. It wrecked her family, his family, people around him. None of this is an answer. Meaning the shooting. Postal workers recalled him as a great softball player on the post office team and a good friend. One guy said, it's been a week. And I'm like, are you on long vacation? I've been wanting. I've been waiting for a text, and to be like, I'm so sorry. I can't believe all these people came out. So Devin goes to trial here, and her defense is that. Well, the prosecution is saying that she's upset because he was dating her sister. Duh. Custody stuff, you know. You can take the rest from there. The defense said that Devin was corrupted by AJ oh, that's the real culprit here is AJ they said, quote, Ms. Shriner is not a murderer. She was the weapon. But she was A.J. ritchie's weapon.

[Devin Shriner]

Is that right?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Even though all the motivation to kill belongs to her. Not him. He's a. He's married. He has no time for this shit.

[Devin Shriner]

Except for he's wandering around following the guy that's.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

It's his day off on Wednesday. It's when he usually fucks his girlfriend instead. He'll do some. The defense said that, yeah, she. That he's corrupted her. So. They also said that. That AJ had groomed her since she was a child and that they met when she was 13 and he was 20. I don't know when a sexual relationship started, but that's when they met. So I hate it. They show all of that mountain of evidence, of technological evidence, and it is guilty. I mean, there's no way out of this shit. She doesn't.

[Devin Shriner]

We saw you.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

You can watch her on the video doing it. So they. At sentencing, she declined to speak, then moved toward a corner and shielded her face from view as the impact statements were read.

[Devin Shriner]

She stood in the corner.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Not good. Jason's parents here. The mother. Jason's mother called the son's murder a living nightmare. She said her family's lives have been destroyed forever. And her grandson is now living with relatives in Connecticut. She said, I have not slept since his murder. Our lives have always have been destroyed. He does not deserve. The son does not deserve to be about without a father. Jason's father said, you can hug your son, but I can't hug mine due to your calculated actions. And the judge says, I got some calculated actions for you. You, ma'am, may fuck off. Life without parole.

[Devin Shriner]

Oh, boy.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Dick eating line starts that way.

[Devin Shriner]

How many women are serving that?

[Jimmy Whitzman]

That is a lot. That's what I mean. This is cold, man. This is fucking cold. So during the trial, they bring AJ to trial, too. And during the trial, they show his cell phone being tracked along the route. And, I mean, he's just as obviously guilty as she is. And there's even a text that's read among several. But this is the jewel of the text here that he had sent her about a month ago that said, quote, you could just kill them both and make it look like they killed each other. Meaning Jason and the sister, Rosa. In closing statements, they described him as the eyes and ears of Devin Shriner's murder operation. And he is found absolutely guilty of first degree murder and sentenced to. You, sir, may fuck off. Life without parole.

[Devin Shriner]

Correctional officer in prison.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

In prison. Hopefully for him, not that prison. So. So they said with. With today's guilty verdict, the two people responsible for this premeditated and cold blooded murder will be held fully responsible for killing Jason Schaefer while he was delivering mail. They said the two rob Jason's family and a US and US Postal colleagues of a beloved son, father, and friend. Not the postal colleagues, God damn it. So this is horrible. The guy seemed like a nice guy and definitely didn't deserve to be murdered while he's delivering. No one deserves to be killed at work. That's terrible.

[Devin Shriner]

Not at work.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

Do it in the off time, for Christ's sake. So there you go. There's Longmont. There's a crazy story. Gonna do the end real quick here because we're running late. Definitely. Shut upandgivemerder.com Tickets 419 is the 420 virtual live show. Can't wait. It's available. Available for two too. Just like a regular live show, but in your living room. Shut up and give me murder dot com. Get those. Get your tickets for regular live shows. Chicago may get your goddamn tickets right now. Definitely follow on social media at Smalltown Murder on Instagram at Smalltown pot on Facebook, patreon.com crime and sports. All your bonus material. $5 a month only and you get a huge back catalog immediately upon subscription. Hundreds of episodes this week. One Crime and Sports One Small Town Murder. You get it all. Crime and sports 2012 Miami Dolphins bullying Scandal Amazon Reviews Killer for Small Town Murder Crazy Killer Serial Killer Reviewed murder products on Amazon patreon.com crimeandsports and you get a shout out at the end of the regular show. You wanna follow us on social media, shut up and getmemurda.com, drop down. Menus go everywhere. Thank you so much everybody and until next week, it's been our pleasure. If you like Small Town Murder, you can listen early and ad free now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen early and ad free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short [e-mail] survey.

[James Petragallo]

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[Devin Shriner]

This was not an operation that was performed.

[Jimmy Whitzman]

This was attempted murder.

[James Petragallo]

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[Jimmy Whitzman]

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[James Petragallo]

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