#586 - Never Trust Your Cousin - Clanton, Alabama

Summary

Podcast Summary: Small Town Murder Episode #586 - "Never Trust Your Cousin - Clanton, Alabama"

Release Date: April 11, 2025
Hosts: James Pietragallo and Jimmy Whisman

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Introduction

In episode #586 of Small Town Murder, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmy Whisman delve into the chilling case of Tracy Brown's murder in Clanton, Alabama. Combining in-depth research with their signature comedic perspective, the hosts unravel the disturbing events that transpired in this seemingly quiet small town.

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Background of Clanton, Alabama

Clanton, located in Chilton County, Alabama, is a small town with a population of approximately 8,715. Situated about 40 minutes from Montgomery and an hour from Birmingham, Clanton is known for its strong sense of community and its primary industry: peach farming. The town's peach water tower, constructed in 1993, stands as a local landmark.

Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo (07:29): "Population here is 8,715 in this town. So pretty small little area..."
• Jimmy Whisman (09:34): "Every time I hear this about a Southern town. I'm like, yeah, but you know."

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The Victim: Tracy Brown

Tracy Brown, a resident of Clanton, worked at a local healthcare company alongside her cousin, Tanya Renee Van Dyke. On October 13, 2012, Tracy failed to show up for work, prompting her employer to check on her well-being, which ultimately led to the discovery of her murder.

Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo (27:05): "She lived at the Martin Trailer Court off County Road 24..."
• Jimmy Whisman (11:42): "This sounds like someone's like the beginning of a novel."

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The Accused: James Lee Osgood and Tanya Renee Van Dyke

James Lee Osgood
Born on August 28, 1969, James Lee Osgood had a troubled upbringing marked by severe abuse and neglect. His biological parents abandoned him and his sister, Ann Marie, leading to adoption by Richard and Peggy Osgood, who continued the cycle of abuse. Throughout his life, James struggled with addiction, diagnosed disorders, and criminal behavior, including a history of sexual misconduct.

Tanya Renee Van Dyke
Tanya, born in 1971, was James's girlfriend and also Tracy's first cousin. She worked with Tracy at the Clanton healthcare company and became intricately involved in the planning and execution of Tracy's murder alongside James.

Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo (13:48): "Jimmy, Oh yeah."
• Jimmy Whisman (21:00): "He's a mess."

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The Crime

On October 13, 2012, Tracy Brown was found brutally murdered in her trailer. She had been sexually assaulted, raped, and stabbed multiple times, with a handgun discovered at the scene. The crime scene suggested a prolonged and violent attack, indicating premeditation and extreme cruelty.

Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo (27:30): "Clanton's population is 8,715..."
• Jimmy Whisman (17:37): "No one else in the bar thought that was a fucking problem."

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The Investigation

Initial suspicions fell on a local man named Richardson, who harassed Tracy in the weeks leading up to her murder. However, alibi verification and DNA evidence cleared him of involvement. Focus then shifted to James Osgood and Tanya Van Dyke.

During interrogations, James initially denied involvement but later confessed to participating in a consensual threesome that escalated into murder. He detailed how he and Tanya brutally assaulted Tracy, culminating in her throat being slit multiple times.

Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo (33:07): "Unfortunately, this guy's clean."
• James Pietragallo (43:38): "This is disturbing, by the way."

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Trial and Verdict

James Osgood pled not guilty, maintaining his innocence despite his detailed confession. The prosecution presented overwhelming evidence, including his own admissions and DNA links, leading to his conviction for capital murder. Tanya Van Dyke pleaded guilty to related charges to avoid the death penalty.

Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo (53:18): "Went to trial."
• Jimmy Whisman (61:21): "Yeah, he said it."

The jury recommended the death penalty for James Osgood due to the heinous nature of the crime and the fact that it was committed during an act of rape. The judge upheld the recommendation, sentencing James to death.

Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo (68:07): "He deserves that fucking head."
• Jimmy Whisman (68:13): "She's like, well, he didn't."

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Appeals

In 2016, James Osgood appealed his death sentence on multiple grounds, including claims that his constitutional rights were violated during police interrogations. Despite arguments from his defense team regarding his traumatic upbringing and psychological state, the appeals court upheld his conviction but ordered a resentencing for the penalty phase.

By March 2025, Osgood had requested a final execution date, expressing a desire to end his life, which led to his scheduled execution on April 24, 2025. A movement emerged advocating for the cessation of his execution, citing concerns about Alabama's capital punishment processes.

Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo (71:03): "You have to go fight your issues first."
• Jimmy Whisman (74:40): "Now you're understanding what the death penalty is about."

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Conclusion

The murder of Tracy Brown in Clanton, Alabama, stands as one of the most gruesome crimes covered in Small Town Murder. Through meticulous research and candid discussions, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmy Whisman shed light on the dark underbelly of a small town, the complexities of criminal psychology, and the intricacies of the legal system surrounding capital punishment.

Final Thoughts:

• James Pietragallo (77:35): "They just... wouldn't it be fun to torture somebody and kill them? Fucking gross."
• Jimmy Whisman (78:07): "Unbelievable."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• James Pietragallo (14:43): "What scurvy too. Did they have any other preventable things you could."
• Jimmy Whisman (34:20): "Yikes."
• James Pietragallo (43:38): "This is disturbing, by the way."
• Jimmy Whisman (54:02): "We just... do it, but do it fast."
• James Pietragalo (61:24): "He says, you Honor, the death penalty has no place in Alabama..."

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Additional Information

For more in-depth exploration of similar cases and to support the podcast, listeners are encouraged to visit shutupandgivemerder.com and consider supporting through platforms like Patreon.

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Content Warning: This episode discusses graphic details of sexual assault, torture, and murder. Listener discretion is advised.

Transcript

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[James Petragalo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

Choo choo.

[James Petragalo]

Oh yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petragalo. I'm here with my co host Jimmy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm Jimmy Whisman.

[James Petragalo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today. We have a absolutely disturbing and crazy episode of Small Town Murder Express for you. Just a lot of murder stuffed in a very small area like we always have here. Ten pounds of murder in a two pound bag. So before we get started, very quickly, shut upandgivemerder.com, head there for your tickets. April 19th is our 4:20 virtual live show. Get your tickets right now. It's a Saturday night. It's the 420 virtual live show. It's available for two weeks. After that to purchase, to buy, to do whatever you want with anywhere in the world with Internet that you want to see it. You can see it just like a regular live show but in your living room. The pictures, the story, all that good stuff. And of course it's the 420 show. So I will have some scary looking bongs for Jimmy to participate in. That's going to be a lot of fun. So check that out. And also while you're [e-mail] get your tickets for the Chicago live show at the Riviera on May 18. I believe it is Saturday night. The night before in St. Louis is sold out. So get your tickets right now and for the rest of the year as well because they're going fast. A lot of sold out shows coming up here. So that shut upandgivemerder.com also check out patreon. Patreon.com crimeinsports is where you get all the bonus material. And that is, by the way, you should Be listening to Crime and Sports. It's our other show that we do because it's hilarious. But patreon.com crime and sports is where you get all the bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above, you're going to get upon subscription a gigantic back catalog of bonus stuff you've never heard before. Hundreds of episodes that you've never heard to binge on. Then new ones every other week. One crime in sports, one small town murder, and you get it all, baby. This week for Crime and Sports we are going to talk about some crazy fraternity hazing stories. These go Back to the 1700s by the way, which I didn't realize. I figured hazing was kind of a modern thing, but it's not at all. It goes back, it's been going on a long time. But I mean like organized hazing, I didn't remember, but I guess organized bullying, this is a. Something we've been doing for hundreds of years. And then for small town murder, we're gonna talk about the Karen Reed case. She is the woman in Boston accused of killing her cop boyfriend. And she says all the other cops killed him and covered it up. The first trial was a mistrial. The retrial, they just picked a jury and it's coming up very soon. So we'll get you up to speed on all of that stuff and all the conspiracy theories and everything else. Patreon.com crimeinsports and you get a shout out at the end of the regular show too. That said, I think it's time everybody, let's do this. Let's all clear the lungs. What do you say here? Arms to the sky and let's all shout. Shut up. Give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Ok, let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going down south today to Clanton, Alabama. Okay, Clanton cla Clan tonight. Yeah, there you go. A ton of clan.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Like Ike.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah, like Ike. Probably with a K. No, no, no, it's with a C. With a C. Like a. Not that kind of clan. This is in central Alabama. It's about 40 minutes to Montgomery, which is the capital of Alabama, if you don't know that. About an hour to Birmingham and about 25 minutes to Calera, Alabama, which was our last Alabama episode. Death, love and only fans. That was the. We did the virtual live show about that. That was a wild episode. So this is in Chilton county. Population here is 8,715 in this town. So pretty small little area but you know the suburbs of the of you Know of Montgomery. The median income here, median household income is well under the national average. It's $48,051 which is over $20,000 less than the national average. And then the median home price is also pretty low here. $197,600. Not bad. The motto here again, this is here and 700 other towns. A good place to visit, a better place to live. Yeah, there you go.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Work, play, visit. That's the shit.

[James Petragalo]

Little bit of history. So the area that would be Clanton later was first known as Goose Pond. Sure probably pretty self explanatory what that one was. And also Ranch. It was a town called Ranch right next just Ranch there. That was in Baker county which was what Chilton county used to be. And that was in 1868. This was founded so just after the Civil war there Reconstruction era here soon after the town of Clanton took its name from the south and north Alabama railroad station at that time. So that's just what they did. And During World War II there was a small German prisoner of war camp located in Clanton as well. Today it's all about peaches, baby. It's all peaches down here. Number one industry in the county. That's where all the local money comes from. And the city of Clanton constructed a water tower in the shape of a peach in 1993. So what the hell, it became a landmark that people got the peach water tower reviews of this town here view because we've never been here. We don't know what the hell's going on. Here's five stars. I love the small town feel of Clanton. Everyone knows everyone and everyone you meet is a lifelong friend all the time. Whether you like it or not, you're the lifelong friend. You're stuck with them. Wow. Here's four stars. This sounds like someone's like the beginning of a novel. This person's writing. In the heart of a vast forest nestled between winding rivers and rolling hills. Lake Lanton. Then it's going to tell you about a horrible murder that took place there. This city with its cobblestone streets and weathered brick buildings exuded a timeless charm. Founded over two centuries ago by settlers seeking peace, Clanton became a haven for those who cherished a simpler way of life. Each summer, Clanton's annual peach festival transformed the town square into a vibrant celebration. This sounds like the town's no longer there. Like the. Like the volcano took it. Like it's Vesuvius or something. This is what the hell's going on here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Every time I hear this about a Southern town. I'm like, yeah, but you know.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah, but you know, there's. Yeah, exactly. The air was filled with the sweet scent of ripe peaches and the joy of the community coming together despite its imperfections. Clanton's magic lay in its strong sense of community and tradition, making everyone feel like they're part of a cherished story. Jesus, calm down. All right? Ever just calm. Small town. It's just a small town in Alabama. They're like, it's majestic. It says calm down. Let's all calm down. Here's three stars. I have lived in Clanton my whole life and it kind of sucks. That's three stars kind of sucks. Yeah. There is nothing to do for teenagers. If you want to do something fun like watch a movie or go bowling, you have to go to Prattville. Wow. Well, that's ruins the whole thing then. Yeah, it's only like 30 minutes away from Clanton. But it would be so much better if there was just a few things like an arcade or a movie theater in Clanton. This guy doesn't even want. He just wants like an 80s childhood existence. Give me an arcade and a movie theater, I'll go bowling and I'm very happy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Double dragon.

[James Petragalo]

Jesus Christ. This guy's just like, put me up on a Qbert machine and let me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Let me go pining for that street fighter Arcade.

[James Petragalo]

God damn. All there is Rest. All there is restaurants. I guess all there is is restaurants. And some of them have the worst food you can put your hands on. Not to call anybody out. But San Marcos is the worst, followed very closely by. I don't know if you ever heard of this place before. A little local joint. Wendy's. Now I'm not gonna say that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Not to call anybody out, but here we go.

[James Petragalo]

But here we go.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Making a list.

[James Petragalo]

Now, I'm not saying that all the eating joints are bad or restaurants, as we call them in the rest of the planet. Eating joints, Neighborhood Grill and Bertolones are very good. The residents aren't bad by no means. You'll just. You've just got to look for good ones. The roads are bad. Like I have a Mustang. And you will beat your car to death if you drive like a normal person. So you have to ride in the middle of the road on almost all the roads except for 31 and 22, but that's Chilton County. Okay, wow. Things to do here. The Peach Jam.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, I see it.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah. See, a little clever there. Peach Jam is in June. It's a Free outdoor festival featuring live music from country's greatest artists.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I bet they're not.

[James Petragalo]

You know they are. You know you can come early and bring your blankets and chairs and line it up here. The Entertainment On Friday June 7th, it's gospel night. And it says this important event is sponsored by AmFirst Credit Union. Blah blah blah blah blah. So we got Gospel Night. But they don't say oh. The evening kicks off at 6pm with local talent Matt Littlejohn. You know, country's top artist.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's not the gospel guy.

[James Petragalo]

No. And an inspirational word from Thorsby First Baptist Associate Pastor. Wow.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Inspirational word.

[James Petragalo]

That's what I want when I'm trying to drink and listen to music.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Trying to have a good time.

[James Petragalo]

Leave me alone. Hey pastor, it's Friday night at 8:00. You're. You don't exist right now. You know what I mean? You gotta go job.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Shut your fucking mouth.

[James Petragalo]

You gotta go. Trying to get the wife to get a little frisky later, you know what I mean? Our headliner is Grammy nominated artist Rhett Walker. Yeah, I don't know who that is.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's fine.

[James Petragalo]

Okay. Saturday, June 8th is the multi platinum recording artist Chris Jansen will take the main stage. Jesus, don't know who that is. And then also set to play is Selma. Alabama bred singer songwriter Charlie Argo. They made the movie after him I guess. I don't know. I don't know who that is.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So that's the kidnapping that Ben Affleck got it.

[James Petragalo]

It's the Ben Affleck movie. Yeah. He was like, you know that guy's got something.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Isn't that Argo, Is it? Kidnapping?

[James Petragalo]

Yeah, yeah. Overseas and all that shit. That said, let's talk about some murder here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Let's do it.

[James Petragalo]

I have to warn you, the murder part is extremely disturbing here. This. Yeah, there's a pretty good description of it from the murderer. That and it's. It's disturbing, dude. It's a very disturbing tale. So we'll get into this here. First up, let's talk about a guy, James Lee Osgood. Jimmy. Jimmy Lee.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh yeah.

[James Petragalo]

Which is half the guys in central Alabama named Jimmy Lee something. So old, old Jimmy here he's born August 28, 1969. And he goes by Jimmy, that's what everybody calls him. And him and his siblings. He had a terrible life. Mind you, this guy, absolutely awful.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Where'd he grow up?

[James Petragalo]

Worse here, but worse than most people. His biological parents. His biological mother was a drug addict and a prostitute. And the father was an abusive lunatic drug addict. So they were. Him and his siblings were just abandoned by their biological parents when he was a baby. They were just like abandoned. He as an infant and his older sister, who's like a year older, both had severe malnutrition and rickets from.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Rickets.

[James Petragalo]

Rickets. Fucking. It's like a Bill Hicks joke. Yeah, that's rickets.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

What scurvy too. Did they have any other preventable things you could. That's horrible. But that's how.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Any other sailor diseases.

[James Petragalo]

Right. Well, that's how little they were paid attention to as babies. So then in addition to that, you know, they have the whole attachment disorder problem too, where they're not going to. They're going to be cold as ice too. They have. No. That's how psychopaths are made. Don't touch an infant. And you're going to get. You can get something real bad out of that. So his sister's name is Ann Marie and she said she's about a year older than Jimmy and she said, you know, they were adopted though. That's how, you know, that's where the. Yeah. They ended up being adopted at a young age. Their adopted parents, Richard and Peggy Osgood. Dick and Peggy. Boy, that is some old school shit. They were extremely abusive.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Really?

[James Petragalo]

Yes. That's crazy to me. To adopt children and abuse them is insane. That's nuts. That's fucking crazy. I get you had a kid and you didn't want to have a kid, but you had a kid. I still don't think you should beat them, obviously, or you know, abuse them in. But at least the psychology makes sense there. You might blame them for ruining your life or whatever the fuck weird, you know, mental issues you have, but there's also the.

[Jimmy Whisman]

There's also the like, I can't believe you can abuse your own children. And then. Yes, I guess it's more. It's more. More believable that an adopted parent would do it because. No, they didn't have to, but they wanted.

[James Petragalo]

They went out and filled out paperwork for this. No, they don't just come knock at your door, go, you want a kid? And you go, I guess. And then they drop it off and you beat it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You had to go to. For this.

[James Petragalo]

Yes. You had to go like this. There's a lot of paperwork. You had to go for appointments and talk to people. All that to beat the shit out of them. Why not just leave them alone? Crazy. Anne Marie testifies later on in a hearing that Peggy was an alcoholic who would frequently take Both children, she and Jimmy to bars and leave them with strangers so she can get hammered while she, quote, went off with guys. Oh, her mom was. Her mom was doing a little bit of prostituting on the side. Yes. So. And they'd leave the kids. We're talking like a three year old and a four year old. She'd just leave them at the bar. So that's not great.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who let her have kids?

[James Petragalo]

You know, I mean, who gave these people kids? I don't know if they were. I don't know if this was.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who checked the checklist to let them do this.

[James Petragalo]

Like, we don't know if this is family, friends, and it was like a private thing or if this is like a public adopt, like an adoption agency said, oh, these people are a great candidate to raise children. I don't know. So she said Anne Marie said that when she was very young, Pre kindergarten, so 3, 4 years old, that Jimmy watched, saw this as he was three her, a four year old being forced to perform oral sex on a man in a bar. In a bar.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, no.

[James Petragalo]

No one else in that bar thought that was a fucking problem. No one else in the bar said, I'm going to go stab that guy in the throat right now. No one said that. Yeah, I'm gonna take the beer opener and fucking put it in his eyeball. Nobody. That was nobody's fault.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Shank out of this beer bottle on his head.

[James Petragalo]

That's what I mean. No one thought of that. I don't understand it. Wow. On multiple occasions, she, she and he. And especially he apparently was both physically and sexually abused starting when he was five or six years old. Wow. I guess he was left alone in bars as a child too. And also he, like his sister, he was also forced to perform oral sex on a strange man in a bar.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What bar?

[James Petragalo]

That's what I mean. What bar is this?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What bar is this? Burn that thing to this ground.

[James Petragalo]

No bouncer here, obviously, because I know that's against the rules. Molesting children on the floor. Oh, shit. It's just a fucking empty room and a couple of booze bottles. You go. And so after that, Anne Marie said that she and Jimmy were put into foster care until their adopted father ultimately regained custody. Because I guess Dick wasn't involved as much as Peggy in the fuckery here in the abuse. So according to Anne Marie, though, their father was a stern disciplinarian. So the complete opposite problem. Complete opposite problem. And to the point where when Jimmy would wet the bed, you know, because he's got Psychological problems at this point. He would not give him water for like half the day. So he wouldn't wet the bed. So he'd go to bed.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Doesn't have piss to put in the bed.

[James Petragalo]

No piss. Yeah, he'd go to bed dehydrated. And that's how they did it. Osgood's parents were investigated by state social workers after allegations that they excessively punished Jimmy and his siblings, but mainly Jimmy. The reports also indicated that Jimmy had behavioral problems at school. Which that could be said about either of us too. The report said that Jimmy had both. That would be us. Either one.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think that's across the board for Jimmy.

[James Petragalo]

I was going to say. I know that. I know. I've gotten that report home before. Jimmy has had behavioral problems at school. Additional documentation revealed that Osgood was admitted to an adolescent psychiatric unit where he was diagnosed with having a conduct disorder, being under socialized and having a developmental reading disorder. I think it's a catch all for. I think it's a catch all phrase for can't control his behavior. Yeah, that kind of thing. And Dick, his adopted dad, said that also he was in and out that Jimmy was in and out of foster care throughout his childhood and ultimately ended up in the custody of who? Peggy, his adopted mother.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petragalo]

With whom he had a tumultuous and often violent relationship. As if I was him. I would beat the shit out of her every day till she fucking got rid of me. Yeah, hi, mom, pal. Thanks for letting me. Fucking making me blow people in a bar when I was fucking four. I will kick you in the twat every fucking day. Every day. You bitch. You fucking asshole. And where's Dick too? Where's him? I want to kick him in the balls too.

[Jimmy Whisman]

How much do they pay you to have me? Because I'm gonna cost you that.

[James Petragalo]

Exactly. And more damaging fucking items around the house.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

So that's horrible. Absolutely awful. Then he was placed in group facilities during his teenage years. When he was 14, Jimmy had a sexual like not a one time thing. An ongoing sexual relationship with a 24 year old when he was 14. 24 year old woman.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Obviously that 24 year old's got some major problems. Jimmy's got crazy game.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah. One of the two. Jimmy's dick is hanging out of the bottom of his jeans is the only other explanation for this. But he ended up getting her pregnant also.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petragalo]

Oh yeah, he knocked. Imagine being a 24 year old woman getting knocked up by a 14 year old. Imagine that. Just imagine that. What? What you really got to take stock at that point of your life.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think Alabama is a wild place.

[James Petragalo]

Shit is wild, man. The sad part is, I agree with that. But also we hear about this type of shit in every fucking state. That's just the sad part. But yeah. So as he grows up, he becomes a male stripper.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jimmy, he's a great looking guy.

[James Petragalo]

Want to see him? It's funny that you said that. There he is. What is he doing?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What is he doing? Is that a Hitler mustache?

[James Petragalo]

No, no, no, that's a full on 80s.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's just all he can grow.

[James Petragalo]

That's a must.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's just whistle on lips still on the sides.

[James Petragalo]

It's wispy, but he's got like long, like permed, dirty brown, dirty blonde, like lion's mane hair. This is like a picture that like they would show you of like a Chippendales dancer where he's like looking back over his shoulder at you with a glare like that's. You can tell that's his stripper pick.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Hideous man.

[James Petragalo]

Hideous Man. He's got a. You can see a bare shoulder there. That's not good. So he also struggles with addiction problems of many variants. Whatever is in front of him pretty much. Now, his sister Anne Marie stated that Jimmy is also very loyal and he's a loving uncle to her children. Nice guy, doesn't hurt them or do anything. And she also said she never knew him to be violent ever, I guess, except around mom. So apparently too, he abuses a wide range of substances here. He's really doesn't have a thing, you know, whatever you got.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Nice.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah, he loves booze, he loves meth, he loves fucking coke, he loves opiates, whatever he can get his hands on. He's into it. Yeah, very sexually, though. Very compulsive guy, sexually, as you may imagine with his. What happened to him and his upbringing, that would. That would be a thing.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Substances that's in his body.

[James Petragalo]

Oh, that's not helping either. Yeah, that'll take your inhibitions away. And then what do you got? Yeah. So according also to a doctor, he attempted suicide in 1997. He's about 28. He attempted suicide. Which, I mean, if you're this guy and have this mess of a life that might seem. Yeah. Now, Jimmy claims to have 10 kids or more. At least 10 that he knows of, but he only knows where one of them is. He only knows the whereabouts of one of them, which means, A, he doesn't care and B, those mothers don't want him to have anything to do with Those fucking kids. So. Because he would know where they were if they tracked him down for child support even he would at least know.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, I know where they are because I send a check. That's interesting. Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

Or at least I'm told to. You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

So that's wild. In 2010 now. So, you know, he's 40 years old, 41 years old here. He ends up getting a girlfriend, a serious girlfriend. And I wish I knew more of her background because it has to be more fucked up than his. Her name is Tanya Renee Van Dyke. Okay, Tanya Van Dyke. She's born in 71, so, you know, age appropriate anyway, which for him is a coup. An age appropriate girlfriend. That's incredible. His girlfriend isn't 17, honestly. So he's got. That's his girlfriend. And now she, like her best friend and first cousin they hang out with all the time. Her name is Tracy Lynn Brown. So we got Tanya Van Dyke, the girlfriend. Tracy Brown, Tanya's first cousin. Okay. And Jimmy, of course. Obviously. And so Tracy and Tanya work together at a Clanton healthcare company too. So, yeah, they do healthcare. Shit. So they're close. I mean, they work together. They're first cousins. They're pretty close at this point. I guess Tracy the cousin was starting kind of a new chapter in her life. She wanted to get involved in the healthcare industry and she wanted to help people. And also she was being independent, starting to finally be independent in her life. And she was proud of herself, basically. So one of her friends said Tracy liked to help others. She had just started a new phase of her life growing up. Tracy was super fun and everybody wanted to be her friend. So that's the crew here now, October 12, 2010. Jimmy, Tanya the couple, and Tracy the cousin here, they all go to where the women work to pick up paychecks. Okay, so Tracy picks up her paycheck and then they ran various errands all day. They cashed the check, they paid Tracy's electrical bill, they drove to another town to look at a vehicle that she was considering purchasing. So she's getting her shit all together here. She's doing well. So that's kind of what happened on October 12th. Just a lot of errands. Busy day for Tracy and the gang here. Yeah. So October 13, 2012. Now Tracy lives in a trailer off County Road 24, which sounds awful. Nothing could sound worse than a trailer off County Road 24. Not even on it off it. So she lived.

[Jimmy Whisman]

The address is just County Road 24. No number.

[James Petragalo]

No number. That's crazy. So she lived at the Martin Trailer Court off County Road 24. And the trailer court is just north of the. Wow. Autauga and Chilton county lines. So it's kind of on the border there. So on this day, she does not come into work. Tracy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No.

[James Petragalo]

Doesn't show up for work the next day after all her errands and everything. Maybe she's got enough money for that car and she's moving on. But, yeah, either way, apparently she's very reliable because her boss contacted her landlord to say, can you check on her? Because she didn't show up for work today. This isn't three days of not showing up for work. This is the first day. I mean, it's.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Imagine your boss has your landlord's phone number.

[James Petragalo]

That's what I mean. She's four hours late. And wow. I mean, who knows? The boss might live in the trailer park, though, for all we might know.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right? They might be best friends. We don't know.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah. So they send a cop over there. Chilton County Sheriff's Department deputy comes over here. He and his partner arrive. Apparently, they get into the house. Now, I don't know if the door is open or how they get into the house, but it's usually for a. Well, check like this. If there's no, like, signs of foul play or anything like that, they're not gonna bust the fucking door down for that. Unless they've heard screaming or something in there, you know? Could see blood on the walls. Yeah, I can see blood on the walls or some shit. So they end up in the house, though, and they're calling for Tracy, and no answer. No answer. So the officer then said that he went into Tracy Brown's bedroom and saw her lying on the floor next to her bed. And obviously there's been a problem in here. There's blood everywhere. Like. Like somebody took blood and put it in a fucking sprinkler and just shot it around the room, like hooked it up to a hose. It's crazy. And she is naked and has stab wounds all over her, all over her back, and an absolutely horrific neck. Like her throat's been cut many, many times. It's horrifying. And also, a handgun is found at the scene as well. But she's not shot. She's just stabbed a lot. So that's interesting. So then right away, is that her gun she didn't get a chance to use? Is that somebody's. What happened? So this guy immediately left the room and called for more. I'm just a deputy Here I have no crime scene. Let's go. So a lieutenant shows up. He's a detective with the county sheriff's department and he's the lead investigator. This is Lieutenant Shane Lockhart. And he was looking at the wounds and it's horrifying the wounds and we'll find out how they were all made here in a bit. So right away there is a man in the trailer park who people have been saying have been harassing Tracy for weeks now.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Really?

[James Petragalo]

Yeah. When they talk to her friends, people at work, stuff like that, they all say she was talking about some guy in the trailer park that was breaking her balls and blah, blah, blah. So right away they go to this guy and this guy, his last name is Richardson, but this guy has a lock, solid alibi. Like was around 50 people at work when this is going on and based on DNA evidence, he's completely excluded from this. So this show, Small Town Murder is sponsored by BetterHelp Therapy. Number one can feel like it's a big investment because it's a, it can be very expensive over time. But your state of mind is just as important as your physical health. If you had a physical problem, you wouldn't be going, well, I don't know, I'm going to go to the doctor and they're going to send a bill. You got to get it taken care of. So you know, traditional in person therapy can cost anywhere from 100 to $250 a session, which that'll add up very fast. But BetterHelp better helps different. BetterHelp online therapy you can save on average up to 50% per session. That's incredible. This is an affordable way to do this. Your mental health is worth it and better help will put it in reach for you here. And we are huge proponents of therapy because I know for a fact here I have my partner sitting here next to me because of therapy because it's helped him with a lot of problems and just give him the tools to cope and that's what therapy can do for you as well. Your well being is worth it. Visit betterhelp.com smalltown murder today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp h e l p.com smalltown murder now back to the show. Hey everybody, just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you a little bit more about our safest sponsor, Simplisafe. The days are getting longer. We got longer daylight hours which means you might be spending more time away from your house which gives burglars more Time to rob your house. That's what happens here. FBI crime data shows that break ins are more likely during daylight hours than at night, actually, which you don't think of that. But you need to protect your home with Simplisafe's proactive security that helps stop threats before they even happen.

[Jimmy Whisman]

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[James Petragalo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

So now back to the show.

[James Petragalo]

If you have a stalker, a person like this in their trailer and a neighbor who's a stalker, you think you solved the case. And then you're like, oh shit, this is square one now. Fuck.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Unfortunately, this guy's clean.

[James Petragalo]

So they learn what she's been up to. They put together, you know, kind of a last few days of her life and what she was up to. And so they found out that she was hanging out with her cousin Tanya and Jimmy the day before. So they're like, well, maybe they saw somebody, you know, maybe, maybe she told them. So they bring him in. They bring in Jimmy, this is early the next morning. He voluntarily agrees to come in here, no problem. And they said yes, we were with her the previous day, absolutely did a bunch of errands and they read him his Miranda rights. He said he understands. And he says that, yeah, no, we went to get her check, we went to pay her electric bill, we went to another town for a car, blah, blah, blah. So they said, okay. And they knew that that was true because Tracy had told other people what she was doing. So they had already corroborated that. So they were trying to see if he's going to be truthful. And he is. Sure. So he's truthful. Then they said, let me ask you a question here. You ever had sex with Tracy Brown? Oh, he said, no, of course not. No, that's my girlfriend's cousin Wouldn't want to do that. Boy, that'll get me in trouble. But they prod a little further and they asked him a little bit more, and finally he said, okay, fine. We had a threesome.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yikes.

[James Petragalo]

Me, her first cousin, and her all had a threesome together. Well, I mean, I get it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's something.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah. This is like. I mean, we could obviously make an Alabama joke here, but like I said, yeah, it goes on everywhere.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Gal cousins were.

[James Petragalo]

Gal cousin fucking. But okay. So they said, well, how did this come about what happened here? And he's. Jimmy says, well, Tracy the cousin performed oral sex on me. And then Jimmy tells him that then Tracy got on her hands and knees on the bed and performed oral sex on her cousin while he stayed in the back and had both vaginal and anal sex with Tracy. He was just switching holes while she was going down on her cousin. Yeah, I mean, we can all picture it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think I've seen it. I've seen that in porno 100 times.

[James Petragalo]

Happens all the time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You rarely go.

[James Petragalo]

They rarely go. Eat your cousin out, would you? That's a rare one. So anyway, they asked about the gun, and he said, yeah, we brought the gun over. So that's our gun at the house there. Because he said that I brought it over to give to Tracy for protection because she had told us that a man in her trailer park was harassing her and stalking her. So I gave her this gun, like, all right, well, that makes sense. She didn't get a chance to use it, obviously. So further into the interview, the detective here notices a small cut on the finger of his right hand, on Jimmy's right hand. And he said, this is a wound that he sees a lot because it's the type of wound that you get when you're stabbing someone and there's blood everywhere and the knife slips down. So he goes, it's one of those on the inside. So he's like, hmm. Said he'd seen similar wounds and suspects in previous investigations. Our people had been stabbed. So they. They told him. Here, the investigator tells Jimmy, you have two options. Jimmy, quote, one, you can say, hey, me and her got into a fight. Whatever. Something happened, I didn't want it to happen. I need all the help I can get. And you can beg for forgiveness. Two, you can go out and lie full force, and they're not going to give you any leniency.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He knows that. Officers really accuse him.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah. And this is a very much Detective 101. If you tell us, it'll be much Better for you when there is no, there's nothing better. They have. Unless they've talked to a district attorney, they have no way to give you any kind of leniency. Nobody goes, yeah. Nobody says, oh, well, they admitted it and said they were sorry. So I guess we'll go with second degree. That doesn't happen. None of that happens. So.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And after the trial, the judge doesn't go, well, you did tell him that you'd help him out.

[James Petragalo]

Yes, that's called. There's a guy on YouTube, this lawyer guy that does. He watches videos and reacts and it's all about. He's got a hat on his desk and his whole thing is stop self snitching. He goes, that's self snitching right there. Just ask for a lawyer. Jesus, what are you doing? So anyway, this guy then tells Jimmy that the other investigator here, the guy in charge, he says, listen, he won't sit here all day and talk to you. He'll just do what he's got to do and then you won't have no more options to, you know, he can only help yours. So that's. That goes on. Then they said, look, if you want to tell the truth and show sympathy and, you know, all that kind of thing, it's possible that you might not go to prison for near as long and you could avoid the death penalty if you just admit it and say you're sorry. He said, I didn't kill her. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This is crazy. So they keep him in custody, though they go ahead and arrest him because of the cut on the hand. Now, October 18th, they talk to him again and this is about 45 minute conversation. He talks about all the events surrounding everything the day before. They just start from scratch again, basically. Then out of nowhere, Jimmy admits that he had previously lied to the cops about whether he had sex with Brown, but he still denied killing her. He goes, yes, I did lie before, but now I'm not lying and I'm telling you what happened. It was a threesome. So this interview began, just kind of real, you know, hey, Jimmy, how you doing today? Type of deal. But I guess Jimmy's demeanor started to change. And then he stated he was getting off, that the officers didn't believe him, which is the appropriate reaction of an innocent person. Yeah, that's a. I mean, yeah, if I'm an innocent. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Yeah. If I'm an innocent person and you've drugged me in here for hours and you keep Accusing me, even though I'm telling you the truth. I'm gonna tell you to go fuck yourself. Honestly, arrest me or let me go, because fuck you if you don't believe me. I don't blame him. To me, that's what an innocent person would do. A guilty person would sit there and hope that you let him out at some point. An innocent person would be like, I'm gonna kick your fucking ass if you take that gun off. Get me out of here. Stop accusing me of murder.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You don't even have to do that. You just go, am I under arrest? No. Goodbye.

[James Petragalo]

Goodbye. No. But it's like being pissed. I get being pissed, though, because you're being. When someone's calling you a murderer. You should be mad at that if you're not a murderer. So the cop said, he pushed. He stood up, pushed the chair under the table and said, look, you're talking about getting pissed, and that's fine. And then he said, jimmy. He said, listen, Jimmy, tell the truth and show some more sympathy. That's what you need to do. And then this happened. Jimmy said, quote, you can't show something for. You can't show sympathy for something you didn't do. Jeff, the girl was alive when we left. I don't know what more I can do or say to get anyone to understand or comprehend that the girl was alive and well. Cop says, you'd be willing to take a polygraph test. And Jimmy says, yeah, but what good is that? It's not admissible in court. So Jimmy's no dummy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Nice work, Jim.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah, he's no dummy. Despite when I show you his head earlier, that something clearly has happened to his brain. You're gonna go, what the fuck? Remember the guy from Oklahoma with the pumpkin head?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

This guy's head makes that guy's head look extremely normal. But trust me, just trust me, stripper.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Head didn't look so bad.

[James Petragalo]

No, no, no, but that's cause his hair was on top of his head. Wait till you see him with a shaved head. Wait till you see the shape of his skull. It is.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I got. What?

[James Petragalo]

Disturbing. So they said, you know, but what good is it? And the investigator said, well, if both attorneys agree to it, it is. Which also isn't true.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Not true.

[James Petragalo]

And Jimmy said, I need to talk to my attorney first before I'll take a polygraph test. Assuming that's what he means. But he didn't say, I want my attorney. He said, I need to talk to my attorney first before I do that. So the investigator said, all Right. I'll be right back. Okay. So obviously, that's open to interpretation, but it's not. That's an equivocal asking for a lawyer. It's not even asking for a lawyer. That's not unequivocally, I want a lawyer.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Which is that saying I'll talk to one eventually? Yeah, yeah.

[James Petragalo]

Before I do that, I'd like to talk to a lawyer type of thing. So he steadfastly denies killing Tracy. Still, though, he's like, this is ridiculous. So they get search warrants, and they're searching his house and vehicle and trying to get physical evidence and all that kind of thing. Then a month goes by here. Okay, this is about November 16, 2010. He's sitting in jail. Jimmy is in the Chilton County Jail, and he asked the staff about the location of his vehicle and cell phone. Hey, where's my car and cell phone? Because, you know, I got places to go from county jail. So the investigator learned about this request and then went to the jail, along with another guy, another cop, to talk with him. Oh, well, that's an excuse to go talk to him. Now we can talk to him about that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's asking for things.

[James Petragalo]

He's asking for shit. So prior to the encounter, this cop, Lockhart, gets and gets a written statement from a woman named Tiffany Matthews, who is incarcerated with his girlfriend, Tan Van Dyke. Now, according to Matthew's statement, Van Dyke admitted that she and Jimmy were involved in the murder and gave this Tiffany Matthews and another prisoner a detailed description of the killing.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petragalo]

So this cop brought a copy of that statement to the jail and read portions of it to Jimmy. This is what's being said. But he changed the pronouns. Rather than saying, like, Tracy saying, she said that she makes it sound. It makes it sound like it's written by his girlfriend. I did this, I did that. You know, just in that way. So that way, he thinks his girlfriend wrote a letter to the cops, ratting them both out, basically. Okay, so that's how that goes. He agreed or. I'm sorry, he said that Lockhart, the cop, stated that Jimmy asked to read the statement a second time or for him to read the statement a second time, after which Jimmy, quote, put his head down and appeared to be in deep thought. After a short piece, a short time, he picked his head up, just was silent for like, a minute and a half, picked his head up and said, quote, you might want to get a pen and a piece of paper. Okay. So then he begins to give a detailed description of everything.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And this Is he's about to confess.

[James Petragalo]

Everything to the detail because he wants to be more detailed than the. Than the girlfriend. Yeah. So here we go. This is disturbing, by the way. Just a little heads up for. You might want to fast forward about a couple of minutes if you don't like hearing weird, awful shit. So in this video, they. Jimmy tells Lockhart that they had seen an episode of the television program CSI. Him and his girlfriend had seen CSI years 2010.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay?

[James Petragalo]

So, yeah, it's been on. It's been on approximately for the last 40 years. So at some point in the last 40 years, it was on.

[Jimmy Whisman]

We just saw an episode. That shit's wild, y'all.

[James Petragalo]

This particular episode, two brothers kidnapped a person, held them in a cage, and tortured them. Obviously behavior you want to model yourself after.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So, boy, that looks fun.

[James Petragalo]

That looks good. Jimmy told the cop that, quote, for a long time, he had watched stuff like that and could see himself doing something like that for pretty much as long as he could remember. He's had a fantasy of kidnapping and torture forever, which is very disturbing. And it's crazy that it took 40 years for it to happen.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

If that's what he's saying. So Jimmy then tells this cop that he discussed his fantasies with Tanya. That's amazing, by the way. People don't. People don't like to ask for a blowjob. You know what I mean? They don't like to ask for some little sexual thing. This guy's like, all right, check it out. Here's what we're gonna do. Now. He even.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He got. He got so close with her, he's like, I don't want to do it to you, but, you know. And then after someone torture him.

[James Petragalo]

Well, the fucked up part is. And this is how, you know, only fucked up people find each other like this. He tells her that, expecting her to go, ew, you're a horrible person. And she said, me too.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow. Now there's two of them.

[James Petragalo]

Now there's two. Wow. So they began to form a plan in which they would quote. This is a quote from him. Find a bad person, like somebody who had molested a child to be their victim, or maybe go into Walmart and snatching someone at random. You know, either. Or either a child molester or just some person they find at Walmart or.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Somebody that needed to get paper towels today.

[James Petragalo]

Oh, my God. So Jesus Christ. Eventually, they decided, let's just kill your cousin. Let's just do that. Let's just kill Tracy. So he then goes into detail. He said, that after he and Tracy and Tanya finished running errands, they returned to her trailer and were in a conversation. Short time later, the women, Tanya and Tracy, went into the hallway near the bathroom, at which point Tanya, out of nowhere, slaps Tracy in the face, pops her one. According to Jimmy, the slap was a pre planned signal for he and Tracy to set their plan into motion and go. Yeah, it was like a starter pistol, basically. So he said that he approached Tracy from behind and put her in a chokehold until she was almost unconscious. Then he and Tanya took Tracy into the bedroom where Jimmy forced Tracy to perform oral sex on him while Tanya pointed a gun at her head. Yes. What the fuck are you doing? Jimmy then said he told Tanya to shoot Tracy if Tracy bit his penis.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Whoa.

[James Petragalo]

So Tracy asked if she could use the bathroom, at which point Jimmy followed her into the bathroom and she had to. She had to do a number two here. So when they returned to the bedroom, Tanya undressed and sat at the head of the bed and told her cousin to perform oral sex on her. She sat there like queen shit and said, go down on me. Which. Jesus Christ. So then Jimmy said that he was having both vaginal and anal sex with Tracy while she was performing oral sex on Tanya. Which he said that truthfully, the first time. He just didn't say it was at gunpoint.

[Jimmy Whisman]

We raped her for it.

[James Petragalo]

Yes, they just. Yeah, exactly. According to Jimmy, Tracy asked to use the bathroom again. Okay. Now Jimmy said that he again accompanied her to the bathroom and made her perform. This sentence is just disturbing. So he, quote, made her perform oral sex on him while she was defecating. Yeah, I'm out of words, man. I'm out of words for depravity and fucking. I don't even know. I don't even know what to say to that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's going real far is what he's doing. You don't come back from that.

[James Petragalo]

No. No. How disturbed does your brain have to be?

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's so fucked up.

[James Petragalo]

How disturbed does your fucking brain have to be to think this is sexual to you? Yeah. This is crazy. So Jimmy told the detectives after she finished using the bathroom, she attempted to escape by running out of the back door of the trailer. So he said he prevented by the escape by grabbing her hair and dragging her back to the bedroom. He then told detectives he resumed fucking raping her until he and Tanya looked at each other and shook their heads. At that point, he stated that he took his knife out of his sock and cut her. Cut Tracy on the side of her neck in an attempt to cut her jugular vein. Jimmy told the detective Zen that he began to get scared because she wasn't dying fast enough.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

Oh, sorry. It's very inconvenient. He then said that he fucking stabbed her in the back and continued to cut her throat while he was having sex with her, by the way. While he was raping her, he was fucking cutting her throat. He said that he apologized to Tracy and told her that it was, quote, nothing against her. She just needed to quit fighting and just let go. It feels pretty personal, I gotta be honest. As you're raping me and stabbing me in the throat, I feel. I can't help but feel it's personal.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And saying, like, the worst things.

[James Petragalo]

Horrible shit. So Jimmy said after she was dead and he was just cutting her throat like a madman, just slashing back and forth. After she was dead, he went into her bathroom and took a shower. Then he and Tanya left the trailer, went back to Tanya's house and had sex with each other.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petragalo]

You know, so he can't even say, I did that and was horrified by it and was horrified by my own actions. No, that he made him horny.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Er, yeah. I'm not done.

[James Petragalo]

Wow. This motherfucker is. Never mind this motherfucker. The two of them are together. They're in on this together. This is crazy. This is her own cousin. Tanya's a monster, too. This is insane. So anyway, he's gonna go to trial, obviously. Here, with that. On paper, with all of that. Not on paper, on video. That was on a video.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's going to trial.

[James Petragalo]

He's going to trial and they're gonna show that to a jury. Imagine if you heard what I just told you come out of that person's mouth and watched it come out of his mouth. And then you had the opportunity to put him in. To judge him on it. Put him in prison. You would be. Couldn't wait to put him in prison.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So, I mean, why are we here? Why isn't he.

[James Petragalo]

What are we doing? Yeah, he's charged with capital murder because the slaying was committed during the rape. Rape in the first degree. And he faces a second capital charge because the slaying was committed while sodomy in the first degree occurred. So they are absolutely going for the death penalty on this one.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

Let me show you his picture, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Now here's the useless guy.

[James Petragalo]

Okay. Now I'm going to show you the face first, and then I'll pan up to the top of his head so there's his face. Yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Nice eyes.

[James Petragalo]

Normal guy. Now let me do the reveal. What the fuck is that? It looks like he's got a man bun made of skull on top of his head.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's got a skullica.

[James Petragalo]

I've never seen that before.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's got a. He's got a yarmulke that's just bone.

[James Petragalo]

It's just. It's a giant.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

Humongous thing on his fucking head.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I don't know, is it a tumor?

[James Petragalo]

I think his skull is fucking deformed or something. You can see why he had long hair though, right? Yeah, you'd want to cover. And it was like puffy like an 80s rock star. Otherwise, if you had long hair, you'd still have a big lump on top of it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What is that?

[James Petragalo]

That is what happened, man. All I have to say is I'm happy that happened to him.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He deserves.

[James Petragalo]

He deserves that fucking head.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's earned that head.

[James Petragalo]

Oh, my God. So, yeah, so there's all of these. And the prosecution, during their opening says, quote, when Tracy Brown woke up that morning, she had no idea what was in store for her. Oh, shit. Tracy Brown's day and Tracy Brown's life ended as she laid face down in her bedroom, her throat cut nearly ear to ear, gasping her last breath. So they also talk about the details of it to the jury in the opening. They want to shock the jury here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This man pled not guilty.

[James Petragalo]

Not guilty.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Went to trial.

[James Petragalo]

Went to fucking trial. I can't believe it. It's pretty ballsy, I gotta say. So during the opening statement here, his lawyer, this is Jimmy's lawyer here, said that he doesn't tell the jury that he's completely innocent. He just tells him to pay attention. He said, don't get caught up on the procedural things. He said, our Constitution guarantees everyone has a right to a fair trial. Listen to the evidence. All the evidence. Don't make up your mind after hearing, just after hearing from the first one or two witnesses, listen to everything. And then put my client in the electric chair. That's what he said.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Basically, listen to everything before we make s'mores on his toes.

[James Petragalo]

God. So they fucking take him to. They show the video of his interrogation here, of his confession, I should say. And it's describing detailed, graphic accounts. And I didn't use his words, but he often uses pretty vulgar language. He's not saying like, you know, I made her have oral sex with this. He's. He's being a fucking monster. He's being a pig. Yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You know what's crazy is he goes, I'm not going to take a polygraph. That's not admissible in court. I want to give you a full.

[James Petragalo]

Confession that that's admissible.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That won't even. You guys can't even convict me with that.

[James Petragalo]

All I could think is he thought that Tanya was getting something, some kind of deal over on him and he want, he wanted to get his side out before she got her side out. Hey, everybody, just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you a little bit more about our fashionable stylish friends over at Quint's. Spring's coming up. People want to travel. You've been in the house all winter. You want to get out, you want to do things. Vacation seasons here, road season for us is here. And we're going to treat ourselves to some of the little luxe upgrades that we deserve with Quince's high quality travel essentials at a fair price, like lightweight shirts and shorts from $30, pants for any occasions and comfortable lounge sets. Also, you can get premium luggage options and durable duffel bags to carry it all. And the best part, all Quint's Items are priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. We like quints a lot. I've ordered stuff. I have a leather jacket. I have sunglasses. Jimmy's got pants. And I'm looking for more stuff because we got to travel.

[Jimmy Whisman]

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[James Petragalo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[James Petragalo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[James Petragalo]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

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[Jimmy Whisman]

She wanted that.

[James Petragalo]

She wanted to give gunpoint blowjobs. That's what she was looking for. That turns her on. She's Janice Soprano and that turns her on. So anyway, the prosecutor came back and said, no, don't buy any of that. The prosecutor said, quote, why? Why did Tracy Brown die? The life was taken because that man right there wanted to fulfill some twisted fantasy. To kill someone. He enjoyed it. The same things you've heard this week that turned your stomach. That turned him on. He said, consensual. Consensual? Are you kidding me?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Playoffs.

[James Petragalo]

He's like, no, yeah, Practice. Talking about practice. So the verdict comes in. Guilty as fuck is what they said. We find the defendant guilty as fuck, your honor. Of what? Capital fucking murder. That's what they said.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, he said it.

[James Petragalo]

Some 78 year old Alabama church woman probably said that too. Capital fucking murder, your honor. So the sentencing Comes around and the state is asking the jury to recommend the death sentence. Obviously, right. Under the aggravating circumstances that the capital offense was committed during the course of a rape and that the capital offense was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel compared to other capital offenses. And we do this show, we hear about nothing but murders. This is especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel compared to other cases. This is very, very shitty. This is a top 10% fucked up crime. So this isn't, you know, a gunshot to the back of the head real quick and trying to get some insurance money. This is crazy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They didn't have a threesome with the girl. They raped her cousin.

[James Petragalo]

They raped and killed her cousin, period.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's crazy.

[James Petragalo]

Done. So the mitigators, they call three witnesses, okay, for mitigation, to try to save his life. One is Anne Marie Osgood, his sister, to talk about their harrowing childhood. The other is a forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Leonard Mulberry Jr. And the next is a mitigation specialist named. Couldn't make this up. Teal dick. Teal, like the color. T A, T, E A L, D, I, C, K. Teal dick.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Blue dick.

[James Petragalo]

Old teal dick. Southwestern cock. There.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Pastel dick.

[James Petragalo]

That's right. So that is. That's interesting. So Jimmy's sister talks about her brother. And she said that, you know, I still love him very much and he's always been. It's always been me and Jimmy against the world. She said. She said, I don't condone what happened and what he has done, but I will always love my brother. He didn't want me to come today, but I wanted to because I wanted to let people know that he is loved. Why? Tells them all about the childhood, the abuse from the early age. And she's crying on the stand and all that, which. It's a terrible childhood, obviously. My mother was a drug addict and a prostitute and blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm sure that's awful.

[James Petragalo]

It's terrible. Still can't murder people and rape them. That's not okay.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No, no.

[James Petragalo]

Goddamn. She said, Jimmy always focused on the fact that he was abandoned by our biological parents. Even to this day, he talks about why we were abandoned and the fact that our parents didn't want us. That stuck with him. Now teal dick gets up there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

And he said that malnutrition such as he had as an infant and having rickets and all that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

He said that has been linked to low brain, low IQ and antisocial behavior, which I'm sure And brain's development, if it doesn't have the things it need, it'll fuck everything up.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You don't have the vitamins to maintain it. Sure, yeah.

[James Petragalo]

And if it happens, then it short circuits it forever because that's when all your development, the building blocks of your development happen. So he also testified that he interviewed Jimmy on multiple occasions and that Jimmy claimed he was both physically and sexually abused beginning when he was 4 or 5 years old. And stated that Jimmy, like his sister, was left alone in bars and forced to perform oral sex on strange men. He provided the jury with an explanation of how a human brain develops from childhood and says that Jimmy's brain was hindered by the circumstances in which he grew up. Specifically, he points out Osgood's lack of attachment at an early age. I think I said that earlier and continued to Osgood's manipulative, being manipulative, lacking emotions and being abnormally insensitive to punishment. He's just a fucking psychopath, basically. Blank slate. He also stated that Osgood is unable to have real empathy or to connect with other people. And according to Teal Dick, his early abandonment and malnutrition contributed to his present psychological state. Basically this guy in front of you had no control over the fact that he's this fucked up is what he's saying.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, because he didn't have any vitamin B12 when he was 3 months old.

[James Petragalo]

Got nothing. He had the scurvy. So then they get the psychiatrist in there. But oh, Teal Dick also said that the lack of early bonding with his parents coupled with his experiences predisposed him to behaviors that led to this kind of conduct.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I didn't have any carrots.

[James Petragalo]

Got nothing. So Dr. Leonard Mulby here, forensic psychiatrist, testified that he interviewed Osgood on two occasions and performed a psychiatric evaluation. He stated that he was asked specifically to evaluate Osgood's unusual sexual behaviors to determine whether he exhibited compulsive sexual behavior or addiction. Now According to this doctor here, Jimmy revealed that he was sexually abused at 3 or 4. His first sexual encounters were with other children at the age of 9. His first non being raped by an adult. And that when he was 14 he impregnated a 24 year old woman that he was in a relationship with. This doctor diagnosed him with alcohol use disorder, methamphetamine use disorder and antisocial personality disorder. Also diagnosed him with sexual addiction there and said that he reported having 10 children but knew the whereabouts of only one. And said that his background definitely contributed to the development of his antisocial personality disorder, which contributed to all this behavior.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This will happen to you. You don't eat your peas.

[James Petragalo]

That's it right there. You need your fucking vitamins. Eat that orange. So. And there's. With all these peaches around, too. That's the sad part. All these peaches. All these peaches are not no vitamins. Pick a peach off the ground, give it to the kid. Jesus. So Tracy's family also addresses the court here. This is her stepmother. Jackie says, I saw all the autopsy photos. They were really. They were in court every day. They were really horrible. I can't imagine anyone doing that to someone, even their worst enemy. I don't know what kind of mind that has that kind of thinking. Where is your mind? Where is your humanity? I just don't understand. Yeah, a normal person can't understand that. It's just. It's so disturbed. The prosecutor says James Osgood planned to kill Tracy Brown. Fantasized about doing it, but killing her was not enough. He raped her. He sodomized her, he taunted her. He cut her throat multiple times and stabbed her twice in the lungs because she wasn't dying fast enough. Your Honor. Yeah, so he says, you, Honor, the death penalty has no place in Alabama unless it is imposed for crimes like these conducted by this, basically. So the jury takes about 30 minutes here for the sentencing, and it's a unanimous verdict. And the Judge says, quote, Mr. Osgood, that sentence, this sentence is not given lightly. I can't think of a darker set of facts than what you have given us. You, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

So Tanya says, oh, fuck. And pleads guilty. Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She's like, well, he didn't.

[James Petragalo]

That's what I mean. So she pleads guilty to all the charges. Whatever you got, just take the death penalty off the table. And they do. And during the sentencing, the prosecutor said, it was the most grisly scene I've ever seen. The death was not instantaneous. It drug out. It was brutal. She was tortured for almost an hour before she was finally killed. Now, obviously, nothing will ever bring back Tracy Brown. Her life is gone. But the gentleman involved, he has received the death penalty. And Ms. Van Dyke will be in a jail cell for the rest of her life and never have any hope of leaving. And you, ma'am, may fuck off. Life without for you.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And what's her fucking excuse? Did she not have asparagus either?

[James Petragalo]

Come on. We don't know. We didn't do the mitigating factors because she didn't. She wasn't up for the death penalty. So they said. Tracy's family said, we know nothing will bring Tracy back, but this will help us move forward with our lives. This has been a tremendously wrong, long road for all of us, but it's nice that we can have some closure. So. Yeah. Because we just put my niece in forever. So this is a mess for this family. So they said we weren't sure we would live to see the end of this, but we hope to never hear Tanya's name ever again is what one of the family members said. This will never leave us. I'm not sure Tanya is sorry for what she did to murder my sister and her cousin. Life without parole is pretty easy. We grew up together, and I just don't understand it. So the prosecutor said, not just because of Tracy Brown's brutal death, but because of the slow, agonizing way she died. It's scary that anyone can care so little for human life. That a family member was tortured and murdered to fulfill a sick fantasy. James Osgood is on death row, and Tanya Van Dyke will die in prison with no hope of ever leaving. Tracy Brown deserved justice. And although it took almost five years, I feel like it was finally served today. Now, very quickly, he Appeals this in 2016. Really 39 grounds for appeal. He has. We're not going to go over all of them, obviously. We have, like eight minutes left in the show. So what we're going to do here instead. Here is quickly. He argues that the statements he gave police during the Nov. 16 interview, the confession which he admitted to raping, sodomizing, and killing Tracy, were unconstitutionally obtained because he doesn't dispute that he signed a waiver of his Miranda rights. But he asserts that because he invoked his right to counsel on October 18th, that. And that he never reinitiated contact with law enforcement regarding the investigation. The police violated his constitutional rights when they conducted the November 16, 2010 interview, even though he signed his Miranda rights away and then asked to talk to.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Them, talk about his phone and his truck.

[James Petragalo]

And that's why they went there. Cause they said, oop, loophole. He wants to talk to us. So that means he called us to find a question out. So now we can talk to him. And if he waives his Miranda rights, then we can talk to him about the murder. Otherwise they can't reinitiate contact.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Feels legit to me.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah. Even when they were. When Dahmer was caught and they were talking to him every day. Every day, Jeffrey Dahmer had to wake up and tell the jailer I want to talk to those detectives or else they weren't allowed to talk to him. He had to say it every day that he wanted to talk to him. So, yeah, that's one of his claims. He also claims that his mitigating factors weren't considered enough or considerate enough. But I did. I didn't. I didn't get my veggies. So they said that, yes, family life and drug use precluded the jury from considering other non statutory mitigating circumstances offered by him, and that the instructions suggested to the jury that there was at least one scenario in which the jury should not even consider mitigating circumstances in his deliberations. The judge's instructions are a big deal here. Due to improper jury instructions, the convictions stay, but the sentences are reversed. And now he has to go back for resentencing. So in 2018. What? This is so weird. They have to do that phase of the trial over again. Not the guilt. He's guilty, but they have to pick a new jury just to do the penalty phase again.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So they're gonna re offend all these people.

[James Petragalo]

A new group of them. Not the same ones.

[Jimmy Whisman]

12 more people. These fucking pictures. Let's bring them in now. Tell us what we should do with them.

[James Petragalo]

We're gonna fuck your day all up. Everybody come on in. So they ask him if he's got anything to say. And Jimmy says this, quote, I've always been a firm believer in an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life. If you can't do the time, don't commit the crime. And then he followed up with 400 other cliches. Penny saves a penny earned. Did I ever tell you that? Holy shit, he says. Then he says, this is the most understated thing in the world. He says, quote, okay, I screwed up. Wow. Really? Wow. Wow. The okay, I screwed up?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

That is amazing. I deserve what I was given. When I was told by the appeal court that this was coming back for a resentence, I was worried because my worry was the jury would come back with life without parole, and I didn't want that. I remember when I was sentenced, the things you told me, the manner in which you told me. So I took it that if I put the sentence in your hands again, meaning the judge, I would get the same sentence, which would be death. And the court said, is that what you are knowingly asking me for, Death? And he said, yes, sir. The judge says, well, then you, sir, may fuck on off. Fucking death penalty again, asshole. Sure. Do you want it that bad? Fuck it, I guess, right? So 2020 changes his mind about wanting to die. Now he's not so sure. Yeah, he's found some. Yeah, he's got some stuff going on in there. He's, you know, training dogs or something. He's doing fine. So he appeals the death sentence, but doesn't work, and it's still on the books. So then by summer 2024, last summer, he's getting upset. He wants an execution date. He's like, well, at least tell me when it's happening.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Now if you're not gonna take it away, at least kill me already.

[James Petragalo]

Fuck. He wrote in a letter to his attorney, I no longer feel as if I'm even existing. I'm tired. I want to complete my sentence. He's done.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Now you're understanding what the death penalty is about.

[James Petragalo]

Now you're getting it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's torture.

[James Petragalo]

So March 2025, here. So last month, here, the. It was announced that on April 24, 2025, very soon, that is his execution day. Yeah. And the governor said, although I have no current plans to grant clemency in this case, I retain my authority under the Constitution to grant a reprieve or commutation if necessary, anytime before it's carried out. So currently, there is a save this scumbag movement here. Really, Which I don't care if he's in there for life or kill him. Do whatever you want. Doesn't matter at this. He's a piece of shit. This is one of those guys. We're not big death penalty guys, but this is one of those people where it's like, okay, he definitely did it. DNA evidence. He confessed in detail to it. He's one of the sickest fucks who's ever lived. And if he's in prison, he's just going to do more shit that we're going to have to pay for.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So I hope this final meal is all vegetables, all veggies.

[James Petragalo]

But he also didn't really fucking. I don't know. This is just a mess. He's a mess.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's doing nothing to redeem himself either. He's just jamming up the system and costing us more money.

[James Petragalo]

That's the thing, all of these appeals, I can't tell you how much money this cost. Whereas if it was just life without parole, all these automatic appeals wouldn't be as deep. This death sentence, it's really deep. So this is action network.org has a stop the execution of James Osgood in Alabama. And it Says to Governor K. Ivey where we are writing you to ask that you stop the execution of James Osgood. The vast majority of states with capital punishment continue on a downward trend of executions. Alabama has continued to go against the trend by carrying on with its scheduled execution dates. Alabama must delay all executions for a thorough study of its capital punishment process and consider the serious objections raised as to how it administers the death penalty. Yeah, Alabama has repeatedly shown it's not capable of carrying out executions as it's boxing, botching, its lethal injection process, amounting to cruel punishment and the torture of prisoners. And so, yeah, they asked you stop this execution.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Build a giant microwave and put him in it.

[James Petragalo]

No, this is. This is fucking crazy. Yeah, this is one of those things, though. Doesn't bother me if he was in life without parole. Really don't care. I don't really give a shit either way. Honestly.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Just whichever. Whatever you're gonna do it, do it, but do it fast. And get rid of him because he's.

[James Petragalo]

Yeah, that's like fucking serves what he's getting that dude in the wires holding the gun on Bubbles when he bumped his cart into Marlo's car. And Marlo comes out and says, what? Do it or don't, but let's fucking go. Like, what are we doing here? So anyway, there you go, everybody. That is Clanton, Alabama.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petragalo]

That's disturbing, is it not?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petragalo]

Completely unprovoked. This woman did nothing to deserve this. No one was mad at her. No one was trying to get anything from her. They didn't rob her. They're just like, wouldn't it be fun to torture somebody and kill them? Fucking gross. So if you enjoyed explodes gets it. If you enjoy this story, please, please give. Tell the world about it. Give us five stars. First of all, if you enjoyed the story, you're kind of a sick fuck, but at least enjoyed the telling of the story. Tell everybody about it. Give us five stars on whatever app you're using. Head over to shut up and give me murder.com. get your tickets for live shows. Of course we have live shows coming up. April. I'm sorry, April. Not April. May 18th in Chicago is a regular live show at the Riviera. Get your tickets for that the night before. Sold out in St. Louis. So nothing there but April 19th here. April 19th is our 4:20 virtual live show. Saturday night's available for two weeks after that to buy to watch 100 times. Do whatever you want with it and we are going to have a ball just like a regular live show. All the pictures, all the weirdness, all the murder and you're in your living room instead of having to pay for parking.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jimmy in Alabama's allowed to watch.

[James Petragalo]

That's it. He's gonna be. Yeah, he should. He should be in there. Somebody want to buy it for him? I don't know. Let's not give him joy because it's gonna be fun. So get in there and get your tickets for that. It's so much fun. And it's 420, so I'm gonna make Jimmy smoke a bunch of weed against his will, which is hilarious and that'll be a lot of fun. Shut up and givememurder.com there. Definitely. Patreon patreon.com crimeinsports all your bonus material. All you need is 5 bucks a month. Anybody $5 a month or above, you are going to get an entire hundreds of episode deep back catalog available immediately. New ones every other week. This week you're going to get four crime and sports which you'll have access to. We're going to talk about fraternity hazing all through the years and horrible things that have happened then for small town murder, the Karen Reed trials coming up. We're going to go over the whole case. That's the woman in Boston accused of killing her police officer husband and she says it's a giant concept conspiracy. We'll talk all about it. Or not. Husband, boyfriend, we'll talk all about that. Patreon.com crimeinsports and you get a shout out at the end of the regular show as well. Shut up and givememurder.com drop down menu. Take you wherever you want to go, including following us on social media and hanging out with us and doing all that shit. That said, thank you so much everybody and until next week, it's been our pleasure. If you like small town murder, you can listen early and ad free now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. Prime members can listen early and ad free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short [e-mail] survey in the early hours of December 4, 2024, CEO Brian Thompson stepped out onto the streets of midtown Manhattan. This assailant pulls out a weapon and starts firing at him. We're talking about the CEO of the biggest private health insurance corporation in the world and the suspect he has been identified as Luigi Nicholas Mangione became one of the most divisive figures in modern criminal history. I was targeted, premeditated and meant to sow Terror. I'm Jesse Weber, host of Luigi. Produced by Law and Crime and Twist. This is more than a true crime investigation. We explore a uniquely American moment that could change the country forever. He's awoken the people to a true issue. Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our healthcare system. Listen to Law and Crimes Luigi exclusively on Wondery Plus. You can join Wondery plus in the Wondery app, Spotify or Apple podcasts.