#595 - More Than A Family Feud - Quincy, Illinois

Summary

Podcast Summary: Small Town Murder - Episode #595: More Than A Family Feud - Quincy, Illinois

Release Date: May 15, 2025
Hosts: James Pietragallo and Jimmie Whisman

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Introduction

In Episode #595 of Small Town Murder, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmie Whisman delve into a harrowing true-crime story set in Quincy, Illinois. This episode, titled "More Than A Family Feud," unravels the intricate details of a tragic murder intertwined with personal relationships and community dynamics.

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Quincy, Illinois: The Setting

Quincy, known as the "Gem City," is situated in western Illinois along the Mississippi River. With a population of approximately 39,687, Quincy boasts a predominantly white demographic (89%) and a highly religious community (78% Christian). The city has a rich history marked by significant events:

• 1945: A devastating tornado destroyed the business district, including the courthouse.
• 1976: Three improvised explosive devices detonated at Colt Industries during Bob Dole’s presidential campaign visit, resulting in casualties.
• 1993 & 2008: Both years saw severe Mississippi River floods impacting Quincy.

Despite these challenges, Quincy has been recognized as a "All America City" and featured in Forbes' list of the best small cities to raise a family, highlighting its community spirit and affordability.

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Becky and Tim's Relationship

Becky Bernadette Postal, a native Quincy resident, excelled academically, graduating as valedictorian from Quincy Notre Dame High School and earning a bachelor's degree in biological science with a minor in chemistry from Quincy University. She met Timothy Wayne Bleifnik (Tim) in college, and the two married in 2009. Their union produced three sons, born in 2010, 2012, and 2017. Initially, their marriage appeared ideal: both were career-oriented, educated, and eager to start a family.

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Deterioration of Marriage and Divorce

After the birth of their third child in 2017, cracks began to show. Becky aspired to return to her career as an ER nurse, resuming studies and obtaining certifications such as Trauma Nurse Specialist (TNS) and Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (SAA). However, Tim's support dwindled:

• Lack of Domestic Help: "He wouldn't wash a dish" ([34:22]–James Pietragallo).
• Increased Responsibilities: Becky juggled career, volunteering, and raising three children with minimal assistance from Tim.
• Emotional Strain: Tim became increasingly manipulative and controlling, refusing to attend marriage counseling despite Becky's pleas.

By January 2021, tensions culminated in Tim filing for divorce, citing Becky's changing personality and alleged inability to manage stress due to her nursing career.

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Becky's Fear and Concerns

Becky confided in friends and family about her fears of Tim potentially harming her:

• Text to Sister Sarah ([52:33]–Becky Bleifnik): "If something ever happens to me, please make sure the number one person of interest is Tim..."
• Influence of a Colleague's Murder: The recent murder of a nurse colleague heightened Becky's fears.
• Failed Restraining Orders: Despite attempts, Becky's petitions for protection were denied due to insufficient evidence, making her vulnerable.

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The Murder of Becky

On February 23, 2023, Becky was brutally murdered in her Quincy home. Key details from the crime scene include:

• Gunshot Wounds: 14 shots fired, with defensive wounds indicating Becky tried to fend off her attacker.
• Entry Point: Timpered with an upstairs window, suggesting premeditated entry.
• No Theft: Nothing was stolen, pointing towards a personal motive.
• Sporadic Security Alerts: Previous incidents, including someone on a bicycle prowling her driveway, were captured on neighborhood camera footage ([101:17]–James Pietragallo).

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Investigation and Evidence

The Quincy Police Department launched an intensive investigation, focusing on Tim Bleifnik due to the following:

• Search History Analysis:
  • Tim’s laptop revealed searches related to prying open doors/windows, making homemade silencers, and gun maintenance ([121:14]–James Pietragallo).
  • Additional illicit searches included "how to murder your ex-wife" and "how to wash gunpowder residue off my hands".
• Surveillance Footage:
  • Neighborhood cameras captured unidentified individuals on bicycles near Becky's home on the night of the murder.
  • A blue Schwinn Sidewinder bicycle without reflectors was found near Tim's residence, matching the bike seen in footage ([125:06]–James Pietragallo).
• Forensic Evidence:
  • Bullet casings at the crime scene matched Tim's registered CZ75 9mm handgun.
  • DNA analysis found Tim’s DNA on some plastic debris at the scene, though it was inconclusive.
• Behavioral Evidence:
  • Tim's actions post-divorce, such as attempting to secure custody and his suspicious behavior patterns, raised red flags.

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The Trial

Prosecution: Argued that Tim premeditated the murder, pointing to his search history, possession of the murder weapon, and matching bullet casings. Notable quote from Prosecution ([167:10]–James Pietragallo): "He climbed onto the second story of the home, busted through the window using a crowbar, and shot her 14 times..."

Defense: Asserted reasonable doubt, emphasizing the lack of direct evidence linking Tim conclusively to the crime. Highlighted inconsistencies in the prosecution's case and questioned the reliability of the forensic evidence. Notable quote from Defense ([155:25]–James Pietragallo): "Case is dripping with reasonable doubt."

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Verdict and Sentencing

After five hours of jury deliberation, Tim Bleifnik was found not guilty on all charges. The unexpected acquittal sparked outrage among the community and the victim's family, who felt justice was denied despite the mounting evidence.

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Aftermath

The murder left Quincy reeling, with Becky's family struggling to cope with the loss. A GoFundMe campaign was launched to support her children, raising over $130,666 towards the $250,000 goal. The case remains a topic of intense discussion, highlighting the complexities of domestic abuse, the challenges in securing protection orders, and the limitations of the legal system in addressing personal vendettas.

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Conclusion

Episode #595 of Small Town Murder presents a chilling narrative of betrayal, fear, and tragedy in Quincy, Illinois. Through meticulous research and engaging storytelling, hosts James Pietragallo and Jimmie Whisman shed light on a case that underscores the dark undercurrents that can exist beneath the surface of seemingly ordinary lives. The episode invites listeners to ponder the intersections of personal relationships and the quest for justice in small-town America.

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Notable Quotes:

• James Pietragallo at [34:22]: "He wouldn't wash a dish."
• Becky Bleifnik at [52:33]: "If something ever happens to me, please make sure the number one person of interest is Tim..."
• Prosecution at [167:10]: "He climbed onto the second story of the home, busted through the window using a crowbar, and shot her 14 times..."
• Defense at [155:25]: "Case is dripping with reasonable doubt."

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Transcript

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

Now back to the show.

[James Petregallo]

When Luigi Mangione was arrested for allegedly shooting the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, he didn't just spark outrage, he ignited a cultural firestorm. Is the system working or is it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Time for a reckoning?

[James Petregallo]

I'm Jesse Weber. Listen to Law Crime's Luigi, exclusively on Wonderful. This week in Quincy, Illinois. Detectives are suspicious of a horribly murdered woman's husband partly because of a comment made about her on the game show Family Feud. But a mountain of evidence will reveal what really happened or welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay. Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petregallo. I'm here with my co host, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm Jimmy Wisman.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today. We have a wild story for you. As usual, Steve Harvey's involved in it. You wouldn't expect that, would you? That comes out of nowhere. A lot of crazy stuff for you today. A lot of very interesting things here we'll get into. Don't worry about that. Before we do though, definitely head over to shut upandgivemerder.com get your tickets for live shows, especially Chicago, May 17th. That's right. Get your butts out. There it is the next day earlier, sold out. So get to Chicago. It is at the Riviera. We are very excited. Shut upandgivemerder.com get your tickets for the rest of the year as well because a lot of them are selling out. So get in there and get your tickets and come see us. We can't wait. Shut up and givememurder.com also listen to our other two shows, Crime in Sports, which is we just finished up an Evel Knievel 10 part series and you don't have to like sports, Trust us. It's just crazy. And then you also want to check out your stupid opinions as well, where we talk about the most annoying reviews from around the Internet that we can find. That said, you still need more. You need Patreon.

[Jimmy Wisman]

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[James Petregallo]

Patreon.com CrimeInSports is where you get all of the bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above, you're going to get. First of all, as soon as you subscribe, hundreds of bonus episodes you've never heard before, you get to binge immediately. Then you get new ones every other week. One crime and sports. One small town murder. You just take them all. Take it all. That's right. This week we're going to talk about, for crime and sports, we are going to talk about college coach, sex scandals. There's a lot. As soon as you get on that campus, you get horny or something. I don't know what it is. Belichick, NFL, 20 years he goes to coach college, hasn't coached a game, and he's already in a crazy relationship with a chick that could be his granddaughter.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Very young one.

[James Petregallo]

It's insane. Small town murder. We are going to talk about last meals, Death row, last meals and not the real famous ones. We're going to kind of get into, you know, underneath the surface there and find out. I just, I'm really interested in the psychology of ordering your last meal. What is the last thing you want to taste, you know? So we'll do all that and more. That is. That is patreon.com crimeinsports and you get a shout out at the end of the show as well. Yeah, Jimmy will mess your name all up. Don't even worry about that. That said, disclaimer time. It's a comedy show. First of all and foremost, it is a comedy show. We're comedians. Jokes are gonna be made, people are gonna die. That's just the way it is. But there is a nice way to do that. People go, how do you mix murder and comedy? Very easy, as a matter of fact. Very easy. All you do is you don't make fun of the victims or the victim's families. That's all.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why is that, James?

[James Petregallo]

Because we're assholes. Yes, but we're not scumbags. See how that works? There's plenty of comedy around. I think I can get away with murder. That's a dumb idea. A really dumb idea. So there's plenty to make fun of there. People don't cover their tracks very well. Usually that's fun too. So that's all a good time. If you think, though, that true crime and comedy should never ever go together, we might not be for you, but we might be. Might not be what you're thinking. I'm telling you right now. Give it a chance. Either way, no complaining later. That said, I think it's Time everybody, to sit back. Let's all clear the lungs. What do you say here? Arms to the sky. Let's all shout. Shut up. Give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Okay, let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going to Illinois this week, much like we will be going to Illinois soon for the live show. This is in Quincy, Illinois. This is in far western Illinois on the Mississippi over there. Yeah. Kind of central and western over there on the river. It's about 2 hours and 15 minutes to St. Louis. About an hour and 50 to Springfield, Illinois, if you want to go in there. And it's about 4 hours and 40 minutes to our last Illinois episode, Oak Park, Illinois, which is right outside Chicago, where we'll be May 17th at the Riviera. That episode was Dreaming of Murder. Remember that person? I dreamt of this murder. And they're like, oh, hands behind your back.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, you probably.

[James Petregallo]

That's nice. Yeah. This is an Adams county area code, 2, 1, 7. And the nickname here, no motto, but they do have a nickname. They call this Gem City. Yeah, Gem City, baby. I don't know. It's the same. Totally outrageous. Gem City. That's absolutely. With a G. So a little bit of history here. After 1800, it was called the Bluffs. That was the name of the town, the Bluffs. In 1825, they renamed their town Quincy and became the seat of Adams County. And both of these, by the way, both the county and the town were named after, at that time, newly elected president John Quincy Adams.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There you go.

[James Petregallo]

So you got Quincy and the name of the. The.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, newly elected. They're fucking naming, just minting places.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yeah, that's it. They loved it. They were real happy with his election, apparently.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I was looking at landslides. He got fucking trounced in an election like one of the worst in the history of the country.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, look back, there's a lot of.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He got, like, one elector.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he did like a Mondale.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It was really bad.

[James Petregallo]

Interesting. So there's been some disasters here, as always, in the Midwest. 1945, in April, a tornado ripped through the business district of Quincy and screwed up everything, damaged the courthouse. It was also so severe that it blew the roof off the courthouse. Damaging it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Motherfucker.

[James Petregallo]

Damaging it beyond repair. Now it has no top at all. The whole thing came off. The whole lid. Whole lid. In 1976, three improvised explosive devices were detonated at Colt Industries, Inc. Quincy Compressor Division plant. A team of specialists from Fort Leonard Wood in the area in support of the Secret Service. During the. There was a visit by. At that point, Bob Dole was running for president. I know he ran in 96 too. 20 years later, but he was running in 76 also. So he. The Secret Service was there because he was doing a visit there. So they helped too. A fourth unexploded IED was discovered by Quincy firefighters during a search of the plant.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What the fuck?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that is fucked up. During the examination of the device, it detonated.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petregallo]

Killing the team supervisor, sergeant Major Kenneth Foster Sr. And seriously injuring the Illinois State arson inspector as well.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Holy shit.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus Christ. Then there's a.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Did we find out who placed it?

[James Petregallo]

We don't know. No idea. What? No clue. It blew up all the evidence during the Mississippi river flood of 1993. Obviously this place was hurting here. Then In June of 2008, another flood submerged much of the riverfront and low lying regions. So not great.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is not a good place to be.

[James Petregallo]

But it's twice been twice recognized as a quote all America city and as a participant in the Tree USA program. In fall of 2010, Forbes magazine listed Quincy as eighth in the best small city to raise a family category or lose a child. Just away from the river. That's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

As long as you're not Illinois.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Joplin.

[James Petregallo]

This is wild. So let's get some reviews of this town because we don't know what the hell's going on here. We've never been here. Most of you out there probably never been there also. So let's find out what we're talking about. Reviews. Here's five stars. There's some fun reviews here too, by the way. My husband and I moved to Quincy in 2005. Quincy has been a great place to raise our children, find employment range, receive top notch medical care and community for all with an exclamation point. You know, live, raise your children, work, go to the doctor, do everyday things, eat things like that. Five stars. I think that it is a very friendly place to live. I've grown up here and there hasn't been anything awful here. Most people get along just all around. A good place to live. Sorry, that has no punctuation in it. So I had to figure out the end of the sentences.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So for that attempted bombing in fucking 1976 Dole assassination attempt.

[James Petregallo]

I don't think that that was. I don't think they were alive for that. Probably it seems like three stars. Small town in the middle of nowhere. And they use the less popular version of nowhere, no dash. Where that's a. You don't see that very often. Not a lot to do besides bowling, driving around and maybe catching a movie. There are numerous bars and even a few nightclubs. Crime rate is increasing in the good parts of town. Rent is high compared to some bigger cities. We'll be the judge of that. We'll give you stats later. Here's one star. Okay, this is great. As corrupt as it gets.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There you go.

[James Petregallo]

There we go. The haves rule over the have nots. People are either nauseatingly conservative conservative or disgustingly liberal with no in between. The mall is on its last breath. All of that. And then the mall we're gonna talk about. The mall is like a JCPenney barely hanging on a thing's remembered. And like a bunch of cell phone heartbeat. And it's a lot of cell phone case kiosks. That's all it is. And then the last line. And then the last line. The mayor is a midget. What? I don't know. And I found a picture of him. He looks pretty normal to me. I don't know, right?

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't know. It looks like. Yeah, little chubby fat midwestern guy.

[James Petregallo]

Looks like Bob from the steakhouse, doesn't he? Not a midget. That's weird. Okay, next up, one star. The people in Quincy are dishonest, crooked and deceitful. Not the government. Now the people themselves.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Those all mean the same thing.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, all that's liars. I would never recommend setting foot near it. Not even in it. Near it, not near. Yeah, to avoid interacting with the worst human beings on the planet.

[Jimmy Wisman]

The worst on the planet.

[James Petregallo]

Worst on the planet. Okay, not the interesting. And then finally, one star. This place is unkind. I was collateral in a meth deal when I was three.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Collateral?

[James Petregallo]

What? You hang on to this for a minute, I'll get you your money. I swear. That's what that is. I don't have any money, but take my baby.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm judging my town by my parents behavior.

[James Petregallo]

Well, that someone else was willing to take that. I guess that's. That's the transactional nature of how things work here. Someone else was willing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Your parents were willing to make let you be held for a minute until they went and got the cash for their meth.

[James Petregallo]

If I'm a meth dealer, I don't want to watch somebody's toddler. That sounds awful. Fuck out of here. Bring me money.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Give me your car keys.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Most of the population here. That's right, most the population here don't take care of Homes or have jobs. There are many hiring signs, odd fashion choices with hardly any attractions. Odd fashion people don't dress well here either. Do not recommend. Well, yeah, you're gonna be held collateral in a meth deal. Sure. Population 39,687 brokered meth children live here. Apparently a lot more women than men. 52% women. So that's way over the national average. I don't know what that means or whatever, but median age here is 40. It's usually about 38, so that's pretty close. Little less, a little under the national average as far as married goes and things like that. More people are single with children, you know, that sort of thing. It basically doesn't. All the stats don't say this is a real wealthy, you know, upscale area. It says it's, you know, kind of a middle class area. Got some lower middle class parts, got some poor people. It's that kind of place. Race in this town, 89% white, 6.1% black, 0.9% Asian, 1.6% Hispanic. So there's that. And then religion here though, they are religious as shit here. Are they 50? 50 is the norm here. It's 78%, which is one of the highest we've ever gotten outside of Utah. That's crazy. And the highest of all of them are other Christian faith.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, okay. I don't even know what denominational.

[James Petregallo]

I don't even know. That's crazy because they have Lutheran, Methodist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian. They have all of these listed. So what other one is there? I don't even know what it is, but it's something. They're there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's dominant.

[James Petregallo]

It's dominant. Unemployment rate here is a little lower than the national average. It's under 5% here. So saying everybody doesn't have jobs isn't really true. Seem to be employed. Median household income here is low though, $50,857. They're working, just making nothing, not making a lot. The media, the Average is about 69,000. So that's not good. Cost of living, 100 is regular. Average here it is 77. And the low one is housing. Median home cost here, 144,300 bucks. Okay, very low. So if we've convinced you, dammit, that you've got an extra 3 year old and a hankering for some meth, we have for you the Quincy Illinois real estate report. The average two bedroom rental here goes for $830. So that's, that's low.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's very affordable.

[James Petregallo]

That's way more than $400 less than the average. Here is a three bedroom, one bath, 792 square foot house.

[Jimmy Wisman]

How does that even.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know how you fit three bedrooms into 792 square feet.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's nothing.

[James Petregallo]

800 square feet. There is one picture of this house and it's from the exterior and it appears to be crumbling from the. From the pictures. As the seconds tick by, things will fall off of it. It looks like there's plywood on the windows or window holes as I'm going to call them in this case because windows denote glass. Not sure if there's any glass. It's built in 1872 old. The listing says some TLC could make this a great home or rental. Also a bulldozer would help. Some TLC. It says metal siding as is. It is $10,000 for this house.

[Jimmy Wisman]

10 grand.

[James Petregallo]

That's a recent $5,000 price cut.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Holy shit. That's 33% off.

[James Petregallo]

That's amazing. So sale house everybody.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Here's a two bedroom, two bath, 984 square foot house. Not awful from the outside. Looks like a cute little house. Has a porch and everything. It's fine inside. Whole other story. I could, you know that. You know the special smell that old people smoking has. Not regular people smoking, elderly people. That's what I could smell in here. It's from the 70s and it's all. It's not good. $75,000 for that though.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Everything's so affordable.

[James Petregallo]

It's affordable. Here's a five bedroom, four bath, 4,953 square foot place.

[Jimmy Wisman]

God damn.

[James Petregallo]

Huge on three acres too. Just a beautiful thing. They say this stunning custom built ranch offers nearly 5,000 square feet of finished living space and is the perfect blend of style, space and functionality. It's a nice house. Nice house inside, you know, up to date and all that. 650 grand for 5,000 square feet and three acres. Three acres. Not bad. Not bad at all. Things to do here. The Quincy Freedom Fest.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh boy.

[James Petregallo]

That takes place on the 4th of July right there. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, it's at the park on the riverfront. So. Hoping that it doesn't rain too hard.

[Jimmy Wisman]

As long as it don't swell.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's right. They have boots, they have bands and all sorts of shit here. Also features a car and bike show. And a bike show and a reading of the declaration of Independence.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why not?

[James Petregallo]

What the hell. And then you end the evening that'll. The kids love that. They love hearing things with theory in them and shit like that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

We the people. Oh, Christ.

[James Petregallo]

They love hearing antiquated English. That's their favorite.

[Jimmy Wisman]

In order to form a what, what now?

[James Petregallo]

So this is. Then they also have new this year, a showcase of anything with V8 muscle cars from all eras. It says Latin dance performers and teachers. Okay. Also they are going to have salsa teachers come in and give you a preview of some nightclub that's going to open with salsa dancers. Nancy Calloway's nightclub. Okay. A taekwondo performance by the local dojo. Jesus Christ. I wouldn't want to see that. The one up the street from me, the guy running it and his father got busted for molesting kids. I was like, yes, gee. You open doors and say, bring your kids here. I don't trust it immediately. So we got that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

If it doesn't have Dietrich Bader dressed up in American flag pants, I don't want to see it.

[James Petregallo]

No, no. Also performances from Motley Crue and Poison tribute bands, of course, they're not getting them. And then another band called Ghost of Judas. Okay. And then there is priest covers, probably, maybe. Yeah, that seems like they probably like to do. Makes sense. Then there is the Gem City or Gem City summer concert series.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Here we go.

[James Petregallo]

That's also in July. And it is put together with somebody. Guy who owns a sports bar. And they said. He said, not only are we looking forward to the shows, but we put this together so that people from outside the area can come down to experience what the Quincy area has to offer. Come for the weekend and catch some great shows, eat at great restaurants in the area and enjoy Quincy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Come to a 5,000 people town. Wait, how many is it?

[James Petregallo]

38,000.

[Jimmy Wisman]

All right. Yeah, stay for the weekend.

[James Petregallo]

Stay for the weekend. It's hot shit. July 18th, they'll have Gavin Adcock there. Jesus, I don't know who that is. Looked like he was a country guy. Yeah, he had a hat. And then. July 19th. This is amazing. You know who's going to be there?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Who's that?

[James Petregallo]

Bret Michaels. He could have just.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I was just going to say, because he's Bret Michaels. Bald ass is not coming to the statue. He is. He is.

[James Petregallo]

He is. That's why when you said that, I was like, bite your tongue. Bite your tongue. Yeah, they got it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Bald Michaels.

[James Petregallo]

Bald Michaels. Two weeks after. Literally two weeks after, the tribute band will be there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Do you like these songs? He'll be here.

[James Petregallo]

He'll be here. You know, he'll sing every Rose.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Much better.

[James Petregallo]

Well, about the same, probably.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Let's Be honest here with this fucking extension.

[James Petregallo]

Be realistic here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's my favorite revelation from Rock A Love, is that he fucking wears extensions. Because rock stars can't be.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. He goes, I'll just. He tried to Hulk Hogan it. I'll just put a fucking bandana on.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And he seems.

[James Petregallo]

You can get extensive sew shit in there. Oh, man. So crime rate in this town, what we are interested in, property Crime is about 20% higher than the national average, which I don't know what's going on here. What do you. Well, math deals.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You don't pay for your baby.

[James Petregallo]

That's true. And then violent of crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is just slightly above average, but pretty close. But still. I mean, average is the whole country with big cities and all that. So this makes no sense. That said, let's talk about some murder, shall we?

[Jimmy Wisman]

There we go.

[James Petregallo]

Let's do this. Okay, let's open up here. Talking about a young lady, Rebecca Bernadette Postal.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Hell, yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Becky. She goes by. Oh, Becky. That's very 80s name, too. Becky. Becky.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Bernadette.

[James Petregallo]

How many girls did you go to elementary school with named Becky?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

There's always like four girls in class named Becky, three named Lisa, four named Michelle. And then it'd be like, you know, there's a reason.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's at the beginning of Sir Mix A Lot song. It's a very popular fucking name.

[James Petregallo]

Very. Especially for white ladies. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So she is born in Quincy. Becky's a Quincy girl. Born and raised. Real smart, real like kind of socially smart and academically smart young lady. She is here. Her parents are Bill and Bernadette, so she's got her mom's name as a middle name. She's got one sibling, a sister named Sarah, and she went to Payson Seymour Elementary School, then went to Quincy Notre Dame High School, which sounds like a Catholic school, doesn't it? She's very Catholic by. The family's very Catholic, by the way. Yeah, whole family. That would make sense. She was named valedictorian.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Best one.

[James Petregallo]

Best one at the private school. So, you know, she's pretty smart and. And also. But she's not a nerd either. She's real socially good, too. People. People like her. She's, you know, has a great personality, so she's got a lot going for her. Valedictorian with a good personality. And she's really pretty, too. So she's got like. I mean, damn blonde hair. Yeah, I mean, doing great. Blonde and smart. That's good shit for her.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So nice place to be in what year? 88.

[James Petregallo]

Well, 98 would be when she graduated. 99, something like that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's a pretty good. Pretty good place to be in there.

[James Petregallo]

Not bad. Yeah, it's pretty damn good. So then she graduated. Come loud, we'll skip the jokes. From Quincy University with a bachelor's degree in biological science and a minor in chemistry.

[Jimmy Wisman]

God damn.

[James Petregallo]

So she's getting good grades and she's not just taking easy classes or trying to graduate easy. This is. That's hard. She also meets a young man, not gonna be romantically involved with him at the moment, but meets a young man and becomes friends with him while she's in colle. A guy named Timothy Wayne Bleifnik. B L I E F N I.

[Jimmy Wisman]

C K. Sometimes you just wish you could take your wife's name.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus. Belief. Well, you can. There's no rules against it, but Beliefnik is common. You're just looking for anybody. And my last name is Petra Gallo. So trust me, it's rough. But Beliefnik is weird. It's a tough one. He's born in 1983, so he's a little bit younger than her. About a year and a half younger than her, but not too much. Now, Tim, through this time of college and around college and after college, he has a couple of minor brushes with the law. Here in 2002, in August, he is arrested for operating an uninsured motor vehicle and failure to reduce speed properly or whatever. He didn't probably slow down through a construction zone and got pulled over and didn't have insurance. So there you go.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sometimes this shit's expensive.

[James Petregallo]

That's what happens. Now later on after they know each other pretty well here in 2006, he's also arrested for a DUI at the time too.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So, you know, in the Midwest you gotta be hampered.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, In Illinois, yeah, you really gotta be wrecked there. So he probably hit something or some shit. So now Becky gets her, you know, has her college degree. She starts a career working for Sanofi Aventus, which is a pharmaceutical sale firm where she's a pharmaceutical rep. So, you know, she's pretty.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

She rolls her little suitcase in there and you know, all that shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Here's a CPAP machine, take seven.

[James Petregallo]

That's, you know, the women who are pharmaceutical sales reps, they all look the same. They're all blonde and pretty and thin and, you know, well spoken and all that because I have to speak to doctors so they have to be actually smart. They have to be able to speak. That's why she has all those degrees. She has to be able to speak about the, you know, what they have in an intelligent way. Not like I'm doing now. Unlike me.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Talking about these thingies.

[James Petregallo]

These thingies there. So about two years after graduation, Becky and Tim start dating. So she's already started her career. He started his career and they start dating. They get together and they're having a nice little time here now. 2009, they get married. Oh. Oh, yeah. It moved quickly too.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Damn near 30, though. They're doing great. That's smart.

[James Petregallo]

That's not bad at 28. Well, they're smart, educated people. You know, they're not like us who got married when we were young because.

[Jimmy Wisman]

We, you know, because we knocked people off.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. This is different. It's a different story, actually. Mine came later, but that's fine. Yeah. You know, you got married because there was a problem.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There was something going on.

[James Petregallo]

Something happened in there. Yeah. So her sister Sarah, Becky's sister Sarah was there and she said Becky's wedding was beautiful. She was so happy. She also said Tim was a responsible guy. He had a great job, they had a house. She was over the moon. 2. You know, this is great. Young couple, both doing very well in their careers. Educated. I mean, they could. And they're also going to start a family a little later so they could raise some good kids and have a decent life here, these two. And they have their first sons born in 2010. So they have a kid pretty quick. Pretty quick. Becky's friend said they were so cute. They were the first ones on the dance floor. Meaning her and Tim, not her and the baby. That would be weird. They were the life of the party. Not many couples say, I'm ready to have a baby right away. You know, they were that couple, they were just so excited to be parents. A lot of that is they're pushing 30 too. They're not 21. Yeah. So, you know, that's when you're pushing 30, it's a little different than when you're 21.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Your doctor might warn you, you don't have a big window left.

[James Petregallo]

That's the other thing. We don't know what her body or her condition of her reproductive system. We have no idea. Or his either. We have no clue. So she quits her job as a pharmaceutical rep to be a stay at home mom.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Tim's doing real well. He's got a very successful career in the recycling industry. He works for different recycling firms. And later on he'll have his own too. And Tim said about this when they got married and everything seemed wonderful. He said, I thought this was it, you know, I'm going to be 85 and sitting on a porch in a rocking chair with her talking about how good life was. So, I mean, the table is set for these people to have just a great life. Everything's prepared.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And sit around at 85 and wait to die and giggle about how great this has been.

[James Petregallo]

That's right. Have weird old people sex in the house. Get real dirty with it. You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's supposed to be a nice thought, what he just said, but it just made me real fucking sad how great life was. Jesus, man.

[James Petregallo]

Great life. Wasn't it great talking about your memories and. Yeah, shit, I guess if you had 55 years or so beforehand with it, maybe you wouldn't feel so bad. Yeah. So they have a second son in 2012ish is when their second son is born. And things started to change a little bit after that. Apparently everything wasn't so perfect because through the first born and, you know, everything like that, everyone was like, wow. They were the, you know, the perfect picture of a couple of the perfect little family.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Two kids will do that.

[James Petregallo]

Second kid and also two young kids.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, yeah. Two of the two.

[James Petregallo]

And brand new dude. That's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's difficult.

[James Petregallo]

That's like my brother. That's. That's his.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I did it.

[James Petregallo]

That's his house. No, he is two. Same two. Same two. But they're, you know, two years apart or whatever. So it's insane. They're ripping the house apart. And two little boys especially. It's like, it's wild in there. So 1.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It feels like a raise.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So the sister, Sarah, this is Becky's sister, said life with kids is challenging. And there was a distinct shift in their relationship in the years after their second child was born. She wanted to have her own career again and that became a point of contention. Yeah, she got bored with the kids.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You just stretched that fucking break out two more years.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's the problem. And after that, I guess she wanted to. Once the. She was fine being a stay at home mom with the first. Once the second one was born, she started getting antsy, I think wanted to get out of the house. Hey everybody, just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you about our safest sponsor, Simplisafe. We love Simplisafe. Easy to say it. We love it. You make decisions all day long. That's all we do but one of the easiest decisions we've ever had to make is to secure our homes and offices with Simplisafe. They're so good. When you arm that system, you know that your family is going to be protected. I do. I know. I'm like, everything's protected. My pets are protected. My, my stuff is protected. It's fantastic. You could, whether you're stepping out for the day, whether you're going to go to sleep at night, that is going to give you peace of mind just knowing that you are going to be secure in there. You can focus on what matters. I rest easier. I can go about my day knowing that if anything happens at all, floods, fires, burglaries, whatever happens, simply say has got my back. They have me covered and they give me confidence and I like it. Visit simplisafe.comsmall to claim 50% off a new system with a professional monitoring plan and get your first month free. That's s I m p l I safe.com small there's no safe like Simplisafe.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Now back to the show.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

She's got double shifts now. She's working with two kids.

[James Petregallo]

Two double, two babies.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. Easy man.

[James Petregallo]

You got a fucking. It's all hands on deck. That's, that's the Thing when you have two little kids like that, it's not even a matter of while I was working. So you can do this. It's like it doesn't matter. The house is on fire. I don't care if you're working or not. Grab a hose, motherfucker. Let's go.

[Jimmy Wisman]

These kids all over the carpet, man. Can you at least clean that while I change these diapers? Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Shit, puke. Cheerios are everywhere. Just the amount of Cheerios on the floor in this house is remarkable. Teddy Grahams are fucking flying. It's crazy in here. It's a lot of shit. So then she said, but she's going to do it. She doesn't care. She gets into nursing is what she wants to get into. Now she's going to switch careers, which is a. I guess she already started out with the biology chemistry background, so I guess it's not that far of a stretch.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Not much translates from there to there, I imagine, but some of it does, sure. But I bet knowledge is going to be helpful.

[James Petregallo]

I bet you have to take some of the same prerequisites to get her degree there and here. Because I know biology and chemistry is the first things you have to take if you want to be pre med. So.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay. With these fucking. You got to know this body and know what these chemicals are going to do.

[James Petregallo]

You know what this shit's going to do. Yeah. So she went to the Blessing Riemann College of Nursing and Health Sciences where she graduated summa cum laude and received the Faculty Outstanding Senior Award.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She's amazing. To school. God damn it.

[James Petregallo]

Every time she does anything, she, like, is the top person doing it always. That's. That's just how she is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And it doesn't give her information and she retains it.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. And it doesn't seem like she's like a crazy type A type either that, like, has to be number one. It just seems like she's just good at shit and does it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Does it?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, she just does it. You know, it's not even like a mental illness. It's just like a. She's just smart and has. And is that talented.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This woman's now 30, 32, and she is absorbing information at a level I couldn't do when I was 16, when.

[James Petregallo]

We were 4, when you're supposed to learn languages and I guess absorbing information.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Retaining it, and then spitting it back out of her fucking mouth when asked. That's amazing.

[James Petregallo]

Not bad. She gave birth to their third child, another son. Oh, God, another son. During spring break of her senior year and only missed one day of school.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

She had a baby and missed one day of school. She's like, let me schedule my baby for spring break. There we go. Pencil that in.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'd take the week off for the flu.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I'm saying. You know how efficient that is, though? To be like, I'll just have the baby while I'm off for a week and then I should be back. Wow. Chop this up for spring break. That's crazy. She ends up getting a job working for Quincy Medical Group in the gastrointestinal surgery that's in that department before transitioning to Blessing Hospital's emergency room, which is. Wow. ER Nurse, man. ER is a special kind of. That's a special kind of mental makeup. You have to have to do that like any kind of doctor. You're gonna have to go, you know, see the insides of people and shit like that. It's. It's rough. But not knowing what's gonna come through the door at any moment and just being ready for it, even if someone comes in with half a head and you gotta try to put it back together is. That's remarkable.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You're specialist. You see the inside of this particular part all the time. That's fine.

[James Petregallo]

But that's fine.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is a dealer's choice of what inside you're about to see.

[James Petregallo]

Anything could happen. Anything.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's crazy.

[James Petregallo]

It's a buffet of fucking malady.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And so who has forearm, toes, heads.

[James Petregallo]

Everything up the ass? Somebody with a sprinkler key stuck in their forehead, like, you name it, it could happen. And they could be right back to back to back. Sprinkler key.

[Jimmy Wisman]

How the fuck did that happen?

[James Petregallo]

I don't know.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You were running and dripped. What were you doing?

[James Petregallo]

Who knows, man? That's what I'm saying. That's what the ER is. How'd something get up your ass? You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wisman]

How'd you get the sprinkler getting up your ass?

[James Petregallo]

How did that happen? It's amazing. So she is an rn and she's also a certified trauma nurse specialist as well a TNS and a sexual assault nurse examiner as well, an saa.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

So she's getting all these certifications. It's pretty impressive, man. So friends and family though, say Tim wasn't thrilled with this. I'd be super proud of her, man. That's pretty cool.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why is he not thrilled?

[James Petregallo]

Wouldn't you be? Fuck, I'd be like anything that Sarah does.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Acronyms spit out that this woman gets to say she is, that's amazing.

[James Petregallo]

You're supposed to be proud of your spouse for, like, success too. That's part of.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Especially that.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, especially all those things. But apparently he's not too thrilled with this. He doesn't like the career. The hours are rough and, you know, it's an ER nurse. You're going to come home probably not in the best mood all the time if, you know, decompressing and things. Becky's sister said, quote, he was not contributing. He was not supportive. He chastised her about the house not being clean. He never said, can I help you clean the house? It was always her job. We called her the single married mother because she was not getting much, if any help from Tim.

[Jimmy Wisman]

God damn Tim.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus Christ. Well, he is working.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

But they're acting like he's not bringing home, like the lion's share of the money too, though. So, I mean, he is working also. So they're.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She's an RN with these. All these certifications on the end of it. And he's just like.

[James Petregallo]

But they're acting like he's sitting home watching fucking Family Feud all day.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And Bryce is right. Fucking drinking like corn whiskey or something. He's also out working. He should come home and help because they're both working. If they're both working full time.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Everybody, mothers, that's crazy. If they're both working full time, it should be, you know, definitely a 50, 50 affair with the kids at least, and helping out with the kids at least there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So she. He said, the sister said. And that was the point where she truly believed the marriage was in danger of falling apart. So she received at the hospital the Daisy Award, which recognizes the care and kindness nurses provide to their patients. So of course she's going to win an award. Now, Tim acknowledges that he wasn't real high on Becky getting back into a career and especially in nursing. But he said it wasn't for his own selfishness or anything like that. He said he was out of concern for her well being. Oh, yeah. He said because of the stress piece of it. And, you know, he was asked, does that mean that. Were you worried you're gonna have to, you know, pick up more of the work with the kids? And he said, not at all. I've always been involved with the kids every day. Which that. Not everybody says that's true. Now Becky here, always, she's very busy, but she still is like, volunteers. She volunteers for shit. She has three small kids.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

An ER nursing job. All those Acronym certifications. And she does volunteer work as well. Where at the school? According to members of the St. Peter's Grade School association, where Becky volunteered for years, she was. They called her a tremendous asset. Always willing to help her pitch in. Whether it was coordinating the mother son event, which just makes me think of arrested development Mother boy. So don't call. Don't do that. Don't have Mother boy planning the teacher conference luncheons or coordinating the school's room mothers. And she also volunteered at the Homeward Bound Wagon. W A G G I N wagon. Yeah. Non profit all volunteer animal rescue group. She volunteers there too. So she is busy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She's definitely doing it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's a busy Becky you got going on right there. The third son is born in about 2017 while all this is going on. So that's the spring break and all that kind of shit. So she's a good mom. Everybody says a great mom. She. Wow. She built for Halloween. She built the kids Transformers costumes that actually transformed.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She made the kids Optimus Prime.

[James Petregallo]

She made the kids fucking Starscream or whatever the fuck. What the fuck is happening?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

That's crazy. That's awesome. I would. My mom didn't do that shit. She'd be like, here's a fucking one of those plastic masks in the grocery store with the.

[Jimmy Wisman]

With that thing that you get in.

[James Petregallo]

Plastic apron that goes in front of you there. Have one of those. There you go. Those were terrible. Just a bad mask. Oh, you'd smell like plastic for a month after that. It was horrible. Thanksgiving. People be like, do you smell plastic? I smell plastic.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What is that?

[James Petregallo]

What does that smell?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, he was he man two weeks ago.

[James Petregallo]

I'm sorry. Yeah, it's really bad. He really wanted to be Optimus prime and I didn't have the time to make it. So this is what he smells like.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's like 4.99.

[James Petregallo]

That's what they were. Yeah. Like $4.99 pieces of shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Stupid elastic thing stapled to plastic normal that goes over your head.

[James Petregallo]

It was a rubber band stapled onto the mask. That's the high tech. And that shit would come off after an hour and a half. And then you'd have a mask. You have to hold on to your face like a fucking idiot.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Or.

[James Petregallo]

One time that happened to me and I can't remember who did it. If it was my grandfather, somebody tied. Stretched the rubber band and tied it around the eye hole. In the eye hole. So it had a fucking rubber band in the eye.

[Jimmy Wisman]

A rubber band.

[James Petregallo]

I Looked awful. I looked like a fucking joke walking down the street, man.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's extra tight now.

[James Petregallo]

I'm surprised anybody gave me candy. Like, they were just like, this is pathetic. Get off my property. I'm not giving you. I'm not even giving you sweet tarts for that. That's terrible. Go.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Worst costumes ever.

[James Petregallo]

It was so bad. Then she would also created custom first day of school posters each year for the kids too.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, yeah, for the photos. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Because this is later. This is the 2000, late 2010s. So this is Instagram. I forgot about that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is some Facebook shit. Yeah, Instagram for sure.

[James Petregallo]

This is Instagram. So 2019, Tim is working for Quincy Farm Products. That's where he got a job. And he is allowed to work remotely a lot of the time. So he works from home a lot too.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Awesome.

[James Petregallo]

Which is good. So if you have three kids, that somebody's there to be able to pick them up and do shit. Now 2019, Tim makes a television debut here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

He, alongside his parents and brothers, went on Family Feud.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Hell yeah.

[James Petregallo]

The Steve Harvey Family Feud, obviously, because it's 2019.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So somebody in his family answered the call.

[James Petregallo]

He or called them. And then he stood next to Steve Harvey in a giant fucking peach colored suit and did some game change, blurted.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Out goofy answers while Steve judged the shit out of him, shaking his head.

[James Petregallo]

And every once in a while said something inappropriate to Family Feud. That will be on all sorts of fucking attempted viral videos. Yeah. Oh, look what Steve Harvey said. So anyway, Steve Harvey said, all right, Tim, we talked to 100 married people. What's the biggest mistake you made at your wedding?

[Jimmy Wisman]

What the fuck, Steve?

[James Petregallo]

That's Steve's question. You're just asking for trouble.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Is that what the show is now? They're trying to ruin lives?

[James Petregallo]

I mean, it's always like Family Feud's always the same thing. There's like the obvious cheeky answer and then there's the real answers. You know what I'm saying? So it's almost like Hollywood Squares used to be, where they'd give a fake answer. Except you can't give a fake answer on Family Feud. You have to give the real answer.

[Jimmy Wisman]

But the lowest answer is always the goofy one that they're like.

[James Petregallo]

That'S what he said. There it is. So he said, there's always two idiots who said it on the survey.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right? It's always so. It's two points.

[James Petregallo]

So what's the biggest mistake you made at your wedding? I don't even know what the top answers for that would be.

[Jimmy Wisman]

The top answer is my spouse.

[James Petregallo]

Well, I mean, like, in reality, though, because there's supposed to be, like, seven answers. So what were. What would those answers be? I danced bad. I got too drunk.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Ate the wrong bad toast. Cut the cake raw. I don't even know what you would do, like, pick the wrong best man. Yeah. Pork the bridesmaid in a broom closet. He said, quote, honey, I love you, but I do. That was I do was the mistake. Yeah. That's his joke there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's the joke. Yep.

[James Petregallo]

And he's. Then he said quickly, not my mistake, not my mistake. I love my wife. And then he said, I'm going to get in trouble for that, aren't I?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, you are stupid. You're just trying to score points.

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. Yeah. Either way. So now you didn't get points, and your wife is going to think you're a douchebag. So you just failed twice on that one. Now, March of 2020 is when Covid obviously kicks in, and Becky is a nurse at a hospital, so that's rough. So during this, she begins telling her friends of her marriage problems, and they're like, listen, sweetheart, we all got problems right now. You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wisman]

There's a lot more than this.

[James Petregallo]

There's a whole lot of shit going on right now. It's wild out there. I haven't been able to wipe my ass properly in a week and a half. That's what's going on right now.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I used a squirrel yesterday.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I just. I just used an old shoe. It wasn't comfortable. Wasn't comfortable at all.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I've been looking for something soft for a month now.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Went through the. The family guinea pigs. That was no good. You know, they bite.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So I drug my ass on the couch like a dog with worms.

[James Petregallo]

Because it works. Got down on the carpet. They were right.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's rough, and it's red back there.

[James Petregallo]

Let me tell you, the look I got from my dog, too. He was pissed. He's like, oh, I'm not allowed to do it, but you can. Okay, sure. That's fine. So this friend of hers at work said, quote, she told me that Tim just didn't want to be married anymore. I thought, wow, you know, they were like the perfect couple. And this was also during COVID so there was a lot of people were like, everything was disrupted. Yeah, people are creatures of habit. Yeah, people are creatures of habit, and if their habits get broken, they don't know how to react to it. They freak the fuck out.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Like, they either stand still and panic or they get more done. Because that.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Thriving in it is awesome.

[James Petregallo]

I love cat. I moved like 37,000 times when I was a kid. So, like, I don't give a fuck about things like that. I was like, oh, let's see what happens here. Like, you know, I. Shit. Being weird for me is fine. But other people, they get very set in their life and set in their ways. January of 2021. Okay, so they make it through 2020.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's good.

[James Petregallo]

In January of 2021, Tim files for divorce.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He files.

[James Petregallo]

He files for divorce? Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

He basically was telling some people that he saw a change in Becky's personality after she became a nurse and he didn't like it, Which, I don't know. She seems like the same. She's gonna be the same person wherever she is. Just based on that, you got three.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Kids and now she changed.

[James Petregallo]

It's a little odd. Yeah. I don't really believe that. So he also. This is a quote from Tim. She struggled with patience and stress a lot, which. Yeah, emergency room nurse. That's the number one. Stress would be the number one probably problem of that job, I would think. Stress, he said, especially when it came to the kids. And it created some. Some conflict. But this Becky sister Sarah said, bullshit. Tim's making excuses. She believes the reason Tim filed for divorce is that he couldn't control Becky. She said that Becky was a loving mother and tried to salvage the marriage. Though Sarah said she really wanted to go to marriage counseling with him and he refused.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, if someone offers to go to counseling and you don't want to go, then you're done with the relationship. At that point, you're saying, I don't want to fix it. I don't even want to Try throwing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Up your hands and saying, we need to sit down and have a professional walk us through how to either compromise or just get through whatever our differences are. And if you're not going to, if you're not willing to try that, then.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I don't know what you're doing here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They this. The person you're married to thinks that's the last ditch effort, thinks you don't have anything left. That's what they're telling you.

[James Petregallo]

You said, no, no. My bags are already packed and in the trunk. I'm fine.

[Jimmy Wisman]

The car's already warm.

[James Petregallo]

It's warm. I'm taking the rest of the toilet paper, by the way. So according to this, though, it turned pretty contentious pretty quick. The divorce. They fought about money, the home, the custody of the kids. It's a lot. It's just a lot. Which is really odd that there would be like. It was very contentious, especially on Tim's side, which is weird because he filed for the divorce. So you'd think he would be just wanting to get out of it. You know what I mean? So during their marriage, Becky purchased a gun, a 9 millimeter. But after they separated, she didn't have the gun anymore. She couldn't find it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't think she's allowed to have it.

[James Petregallo]

Why?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Well, yeah, you can. Never mind. Never mind. There's no you. And sometimes in divorces when they're contentious, but there has to be police involvement. Never mind.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. No, there was no. Somebody has to be in situations, right? This was just. She said as she noticed it was gone after he had moved out and they had separated. So he's like. She said, my gun's gone. Then she started telling people that she was scared of Tim at certain points. She told a guy who was a friend of theirs who lived in Ohio, who knew them both very well, a guy named Gary Collins. She talks about how he had worked with. With Tim in the past and shit like that. He said that Becky told him Tim was hiding money from her. And she also told him she did not want the boys, her sons, to be around Tim's dad, Ray. Oh, and this guy also said one time he talked to her, and she was very distraught and crying and saying that if anything happens to me, it was Tim who did it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Now, Collins was a police officer.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So he told her, well, if you're that concerned about it, you should go get a restraining order, you know, and here's how you do it. And told her the path to do that, because, you know, she's never really had to file restraining orders against anybody before. So September 2021, Becky sends a text to her sister Sarah. And this text, and I've seen the screenshot of this, it says, quote, if something ever happens to me, please make sure the number one person of interest is Tim, as that is who would do someone, that is who would do something to me. I am putting this in writing that I'm fearful he will somehow harm me, come after me, or will try something to me that takes me away from the kids or the kids away from me. He's already lied multiple times to paint himself as the victim and me as the perpetrator when it's absolutely the other way around. No, I have not sent this to mom or dad as I don't want them to be out of their minds with worry.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay, give. I wish you would give us an example of some of the shit that's making him, making her scared.

[James Petregallo]

There is some stuff here with this we'll talk about. She also said that her sister said that this came from because one of the nurses she knew at the hospital was murdered by her partner recently. So she was now very worried that she would be murdered too. Which is, you know, so there's break ins in the neighborhood. You lock your door extra tight. It's one of those things. Sure. So Sarah, the sister said, quote, I said, what did he do? And that that text was prompted by the murder of one of her colleagues, one of the nurses she knew who was murdered by her partner. That scared her. She felt like that could happen. And this is real. So Tim's. Tim said, quote, I never understood where that came from. We'd get into arguments and sometimes we'd get loud, but that's all it amounted to, was no physical things. You know, everybody argues. Sarah says she recommended Becky seek help from a domestic abuse organization. And eventually Becky files for an order of protection against Tim. In her petition, she alleged that Tim, quote, entered her residence without permission. And also she said that he repeatedly falsified interactions between the two. The order of protection was not granted, though. There was no. There was no proof of.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No evidence.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. No evidence of any kind of aggression. You can't just get an order of protection because you don't like somebody. You know, you have to have a reason.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And I mean, she probably had a reason to feel that way, I'm sure, but the judge, a judge needs to see evidence in front of them, unfortunately, in such situations, which makes it hard, but if they didn't, then people could use that as a weapon against their partners to not be able to see their kids. And that would be a. People would be throwing that back and forth a lot if there was nobody in there. So not saying Becky would do that, but other people might, you know. Yeah, less. Less honest people. So here's more texts from 2021. Here in May of 2021, a friend of Becky's named Christine Moore received text messages from Becky. In one dated May 7, 2021, she said, Tim has screamed in my face, shoved me in front of the kids and has thrown things across the room where the kids and I were standing. Punched a hole in the wall. If things don't really don't go his way, I Feel he can be very unstable and unpredictable. And the thought has gone through my mind on of it. That's hard to and the thought that has gone through my mind on of if it's a text. So she might have been bad spelling there. I may need a restraining order. I'm definitely changing the locks as soon as I can. She also ended up getting a security system in her house, too. During that same conversation, she also wrote, the only way to ensure all three children choose him over me is to eliminate me as a choice. That's what she said. So then there's another one here, another friend named Nicole Bateman. And this is from a text message exchange from two days later on May 9, 2021, Becky said, quote, tim told me if I outed his dad, that he Ray, the dad would probably have to move and then he would kill himself.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What is he gay?

[James Petregallo]

We'll talk about it. She later told the friend that she worried and that Tim would take the kids even if she was awarded custody because, quote, he will be pissed and he will do whatever he feels like doing. She also texted that same friend in September of 2021, saying, quote, a friend and coworker of mine from the ER was murdered last Friday by her ex. In that same conversation, Becky wrote, yes, I had literally had a panic attack Friday night, thinking Tim is going to come after me and do the same if he continues to not get his way. She also wrote that Tim had filed for an order of protection, which she said was based on lies and she was worried about what else he was capable of. And she also wrote that her lawyer, she told her lawyer that, quote, tim's erratic behavior and constant lies facilitate the need for protection. On top of all of that, he has all of our guns and ammunition, including mine. Okay, so Becky's scared. And like we said, a lot of this, we don't know if it's just because someone at work, you know, divorces are crazy, but who knows? So there's another woman named Becky here. Becky spots Becky and Becky, she's Becky's co worker and friend, multiple Becky's working as nurses at this hospital. This is a Facebook messenger conversation they had on June 4, 2021. Becky wrote, I am wanting to never have my children around Tim's father alone ever again. It's gotten to the point that I even hate going to work for fear he will secretly take off with the kids and I won't see them for a long time, ever. And she said basically this. There was a bunch of similar conversations to this the friend said Becky also wrote the following quote. I truly believe Tim has serious mental health problem problems and is becoming more vengeful and unpredictable. And it scares me, but I'm scared to even try to get an order of protection because it will piss him off and he will try to punish me somehow. And I don't think an order of protection will be issued because they will say his violent outbursts have not been egregious enough and incidents have been stretched out over too long of a period. Temporary custody has not even been set yet because we haven't been to court. And I don't even have exclusive possession of our house. So I can't even legally keep him away from me or the kids.

[Jimmy Wisman]

See? Very volatile situation.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Yeah. He's still legally allowed to come over whenever he wants. He still lives there. Technically, he's. She said, plus, if I ask for an order of protection, I won't be able to come see my children at his house anymore. And he may cut off their communication with me while they're there. And that scares me, too. Sure. So she wants to be able to, you know, pop. Oversee the kids if they're over there. January 2022. Becky is, I guess, trying to move on from all this. Here she meets a guy named Ted Johnson. Ted and his Johnson she meets here. Now Ted's Johnson she meets, too. Well, they didn't meet the Johnson until summer of 2022. They were. Apparently they met in January, but became romantically involved in the summer of 2022.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

I have someone I'd like to introduce you to. He said Johnson. Here he is now.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There's three people in the room.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So the divorce proceedings are taking their toll on everyone here in just a year. It's really gotten taxing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's really stretched out.

[James Petregallo]

It's taxing. And they haven't had, like, I haven't been to court and all this. So, Sarah, the Becky sister, said Tim's appearance was disintegrating over the course of the divorce. He didn't even look like the same person that she married. He became even more vindictive. He became a very hateful person. She was convinced that he was willing to do just about anything to prevent her from winning in the divorce. Tim asks the court for sole or majority custody of the three children. But Becky also files motions, and we have some of these here. Okay. In his petition, he accuses Becky of repeatedly calling him and demanding to speak to their youngest son. Okay. Is it like every three minutes? Because otherwise it's a Mother calling to talk to her young son. I don't know what's bad about that. That seems okay to me. Also accused her of becoming secretly combative at their children's school after he declined to give her a letter that one of their sons had written to them. And harassing Tim via text message to find out where he was with the children. Which. Where are you with the kids? I don't think is a. It's not a harassing. Unless it's every three minutes. It's not harassing at that point. So Becky filed her own petition accusing Tim of repeatedly entering her home without permission and using the children to access the house and take things. When she called police over the incidents, Becky wrote in the petition, responding officers told her that she needed a restraining order to present similar situations. Like, listen, we can't tell the guy to. Can't come back if he legally lives here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So legally, his house and possibly some of his shits there.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, so that's tough for them, you know. According to the petition, Becky also accused Tim of cutting down her favorite tree as punishment. He's mad at her. And he went out and chainsawed her tree down, which.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's real nice.

[James Petregallo]

That's pretty vindictive. As punishment for, quote, not doing things he's been asking for for 10 years. Also, he threatened to toss out a family pet. Becky, as we know, volunteers in animal shelters and shit. So she likes her animals, obviously, and I don't think anybody would be okay with that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You ain't throwing out my dog.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

Now back to the show.

[James Petregallo]

Because she wasn't adhering to a strict workout regime.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Okay. Not the dog. Becky. So I'm gonna throw out the dog because you're not working out as much as I'd like you to. Which is one of the craziest things I've ever heard. Those things don't even make sense.

[Jimmy Wisman]

We're divorced. So this doesn't even matter. Why is it? That's your problem.

[James Petregallo]

This was while they were together, I think. Or while they were break. In the process of breaking up. When he was half in and half out.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Which I didn't meet your goals today. I'm gonna throw the fucking dog out.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. It just made. Doesn't make any sense.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

At all. Did you eat Cool Ranch Doritos today? Yes. Well, I'm killing the cat. Okay. Like they don't connect at all. I don't know how they connect.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why is the bunny hanged in the garage? Well.

[James Petregallo]

Weird.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I found the cheese nips open.

[James Petregallo]

And she also. He also. Or she accuses him of nearly hitting her and one of their children with a garden hose and real. During an argument. Like the reel for the hose. So I don't know. Maybe through the whole hose setup or what. When Becky told Tim she didn't feel safe around it. Around him and wanted to sleep with one of their children, she wrote that he threw her bedding into the basement. He took all of her sheets and blankets and threw them into the basement. There you go. She said that this is. Sarah said his form of torture really was manipulation and control. And Tim.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Those are true. That's just weird.

[James Petregallo]

It's just. That's what I mean. It's all weird shit. It's all like. It's not stuff. I don't know if that would get you a restraining order stuff. Apparently it didn't because she tried to get one. But it's definitely odd character behavior there for him. So Tim said, yeah, I was the one that wanted to get out. And I tried on several occasions. But there. There are details that I'm. That are hard to talk about. That happened in the divorce. That's his exact quote.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Like the part where he threw her bedding down the fucking stairs.

[James Petregallo]

Take that. Now your shit's in the basement and be all moldy soon. So in the months after he filed for divorce, that's when all this started happening. Yeah. She says at one point to a friend, I truly believe Tim has serious mental Health problems and is becoming more vengeful and unpredictable. Tim says, bullshit. Becky was the one who was becoming vengeful. She was going full Becky on me and shit. Like, what am I supposed to do? He said, she told people I had an affair, which was untrue. She tried to tell people that I was an alcoholic, which is untrue. She was telling people these things because she was angry about the divorce. And he alleged that he sought a water of protection because Becky would stalk and harass him. Stalk and harass him, yeah. He also referenced an incident to back this up in his mind where Becky had become combative during a disagreement at a parent teacher night. This is that letter, Remember the one. The letter the kid wrote to them, and he said he was keeping it. Okay. This is on video, by the way. He's recording this. All right? Tim is. She says, I'm asking for the letter. He says, stop. I'm asking you to stop harassing me and stop following me. She said, I'm not harassing you. I'm asking you. And he said, I will make a copy for you. And she said, I don't want you to tape me. Don't tape me. And he said, then stop doing this. And she said, don't tape me. I don't. And he said, then stop doing this. And she said, I didn't ask you to tape me. So, yeah, this is ridiculous. Now these days, like, very childish. He's getting a camera out to record all their conversations. And I'm going to hide this letter from her. And I'm going to. We're going to argue about it. It's all.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You've already embarrassed her on national tv, man, haven't you?

[James Petregallo]

Well, luckily she wasn't there. At least she wasn't, like, on tv, too, like, standing next to him, having to eat that shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I think it's worse to, like, use the TV as a way to message her.

[James Petregallo]

Well, then he looked into the camera and was like, my bad, baby, you know, like, I love you. That's crazy. So Tim's divorce attorney said, quote, I don't think anybody was trying to hurt anybody. I think you have two parents that were having a disagreement and didn't know how to deal with it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I think it's tit for tat. That's what I think.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean. That seems about right, I think. Yeah. So she said that the judge did not grant the restraining or the order of protection because there was no reason to. Then they said, we learned that Becky sought an order of Protection against Tim. She didn't want Tim's father, Roy, to be around her kids unsupervised. And that was one of the. Ray was one of the issues of the divorce. Did I say Roy? Roy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You love Roy.

[James Petregallo]

Roy. I guessed Roy. The judge ultimately did order that Becky and Tim stay away from each other's residences, except when exchanging their kids. Leave each other the fuck alone. Unless you're dropping the kids off or picking them up.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, in those cases, sometimes you can just do it at a firehouse nearby. Not the sub place. An actual firehouse.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I used to be a process server. I'd have to serve people in a lot of kid exchanges. And a lot of them are done at the grocery store or at the McDonald's parking lot or. That's where they exchange. Yeah. So also, the judge ordered tim to return a 9 millimeter handgun that Becky had gifted them when they were together.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay, interesting.

[James Petregallo]

So because he liked to shoot, Sarah, the sister, said he was into, you know, recreational shooting, and she wanted that particular gun back because the gun was in her name. But he never gave it back to her.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

So here are some more divorce info here. The finances were particularly contested. Tim and Becky disagreed on the division of property and about a half million dollars of marital assets.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Holy.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Becky was planning to testify in the divorce hearing that discrepancies on money that her husband had either taken or money he had taken or things that he had understated, meaning money he made, didn't put in. Yeah, she said that she should be entitled to that. So they also said that apparently Tim's divorce attorney sent a settlement proposal letter to her. And in the letter, amongst other things, he requested that his father be allowed to have unsupervised contact with the children. However, Becky viewed unsupervised contact with him with the father as a. That ended all negotiations right there. And she was ready to put on evidence. We'll find out what this is about. Why the father shouldn't be able to spend time with the children unsupervised. And she rejected this settlement proposal. Okay. Now, Tim has been growing his hair long. He's like a real short haired guy before. Now he's growing his hair all long. He's like long hair at this point in time. And Sarah, Becky's sister, said we had seen through social media the deterioration of his appearance that went hand in hand with the deterioration of his mental state over the course of the divorce. So if you grow your hair out, that's a deterioration of your appearance.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, Listen, James, you're a nutcase.

[James Petregallo]

What the fuck? Yeah, what am I doing? Tim said that's not the case. And he was growing his hair out for a fundraiser for cancer research. That's what he said.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, he's gonna. He's gonna.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he said I was gonna cut it and donate it. Yeah, that's what I was doing here. So. That's just so weird. Yeah. Your mental state's deteriorating. If you change your hair, imagine women change their hair all the time. Imagine if a husband's brother said, obviously she was going crazy, she changed her fucking hair. It was different. Like, you'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with you, you weirdo?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sometimes a haircut does signify you.

[James Petregallo]

There are some 2:00am Bangs.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Like, Jesus, what are you, nuts?

[James Petregallo]

2:00Am bangs. Yeah, we know the 2:00ambangs. You just grabbed it and went, ah. And chopped it all off. And it's an inch from your hairline straight across. That's. Those are.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, you got like the baby hair.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, exactly. But like, if a woman, like, you know, changed her style or went with a different color, you wouldn't be like, she's obviously going to mentally crazy because she changed her hairstyle. But if he grows. Grows his hair out, he's losing his mind.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Takes so much time, too. It's like sometimes it's just like, maybe you're lazy, don't want to get a haircut. Sometimes you grow it out for locks of love. There's plenty of reasons to grow it.

[James Petregallo]

Or when you start to be in your 30s and 30s and 40s like me. About five years ago, I was like, why do I have short, short hair? Most of the people I know that are my age, I hang out with, they're fucking bald. At least I have hair. I should grow hair out while I still have it. You know what I mean? Fuck, yeah. I was like, I'm wasting this hair. Yeah, I'm wasting hair. So I started growing it out just for. That dye is purple.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't give a shit.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. I don't know. Someday it might be gone, so I'd like to use it while I can.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So anyway, so that's. That's how petty it gets though, that it's rarely.

[Jimmy Wisman]

My point is, like, it's rarely growing out that signifies crazy. It's usually shaving. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Chopping it off all at once.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's crazy.

[James Petregallo]

That's when people like, ooh, I don't know about that. So anyway, they have a final divorce hearing. They're gonna have the whole Divorce trial here set for March 2, 2023.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Here we go.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. Now, documents show that Becky was planning to expose a family secret. She and other witnesses. She says she has witnesses ready to testify that her father in law. We'll get his name right. Ray had a history of quote, perversion and abusing minor children. Oh, not good. Including a minor family member putting a huge strain on Tim, it said. Now, Becky had gathered witnesses. She said she planned to have testify about this. That would allege that he had a history of this for many years. Right.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

The alleged victims were not Tim and Becky's children, by the way. Never. Not them. So Becky sought an order of protection against Ray, but a judge denied her request because you have to have proof of this.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So say that guy's a pervert.

[James Petregallo]

To just say, yeah, that guy's a pedophile. You could say that about anybody. But you know, in a letter, Ray's lawyer wrote that Ray vehemently denies the claims and that he has never been charged with any criminal offense stemming from anything like that. Yeah, okay. Roughly two months after the petition for a protection order was denied, she filed another time. Becky does. This is the Roy one. Okay. This is there. Now some of the Tim's relatives had accused Ray of sexual assault. She wrote in the petition and she doesn't want to near the kids. She said she confronted Tim about the allegations. This is what she put in her petition. He told her to quote, calm down. So. Oh, it gets worse. Anytime there's a pedophilia concern, calm down isn't the correct answer. This is the. Wow. Right now. I want the kids away from Tim for this. He said, yeah, don't worry about it. Our kids are boys. Not. The girls have accused him of molesting them. Not boys.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he doesn't like little dicks. He likes.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You know, my dad just likes young, young girls.

[James Petregallo]

Young girls. So don't worry about it. Can you imagine that? Oh, no, no. He's a very specific pedophile. He's not. That's what he's saying.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No, no, he's straight.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he's a straight pedophile. It's different.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's not okay, Tim. That doesn't make him feel better.

[James Petregallo]

No, that's. Jesus Christ.

[Jimmy Wisman]

She wrote he's not good at diffusing situations.

[James Petregallo]

That is a bad defense of your father. He doesn't even fucking molest boys. Give me a break. Oh, okay then nevermind. It's good. Just make sure, make sure they're Dressed real masculine when they go over. Yeah. Make sure they're dressed real masculine when they go over there. That's all. Make sure he doesn't confuse them for a girl.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They got high voices still. So let's keep them away from him. How about that?

[James Petregallo]

Wow. That is fucked up. She wrote, I was beside myself. I could not believe that my children's own father was unwilling to take extra precautions to protect our children from potential abuse. Tim threatened me that if, I quote, outed his father for what he had done, that his dad would probably have to move away and would probably kill himself and it would be all my fault. Okay. Is he a pedophile? Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

If he killed himself because he molested girls and didn't want to get arrested. Yeah, it's not your fault.

[James Petregallo]

What are we talking about here? So Becky names in an amendment to her petition, she named several relatives and described the alleged abuse. Two were minors at the time of the incident. According to the document, a third was 22 years old. That's just incest at that point. Yeah, that's right.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Incesting and rape.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Yeah. So Becky also identified a fourth relative who reported witnessing some of the alleged abuse. He does it in front of people. Jesus. Or allegedly.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So in a petition to dismiss the Motion to dismiss the petition, a lawyer for the father in law described the allegations as hearsay and unsupported by affidavits or testimonials. You can go gather a bunch of hearsay, but unless somebody puts it under oath, I'm just not really a matter. Yeah, it's not legally. Doesn't matter legally. He also. This lawyer then accused Becky of abusing the state's domestic violence laws with a public record aimed at destroying his reputation and labeling him as, quote, one of the most despicable types of individuals in our society today. You know, a pedophile.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right. The worst thing.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So. And nobody that ever reported the abuse to authorities or anything like that. Nobody did. So Tim's lawyer said that Becky had heard stories about the allegations for years, and they hadn't become an issue until the divorce got hot and heavy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He said, well, yeah, because you're trying to take her kids from her. And if there's four stories about this man, that's not good.

[James Petregallo]

And they're both using whatever ammo they have. Yeah, you're emptying your clip here. It's a divorce proceeding and you're fighting.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And if there's. If there's four people accusing, then there's more people behind that you know.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

So a judge, A judge dismisses this new petition here. Uh, but the allegations are just shifted into the divorce proceedings instead. So. Yeah, that's. That's fucked up. Now, February 2023, Ted Johnson, her boyfriend at this point said that, you know, they were friends at first, became romantically involved over the summer of 2022. And he knew that Becky was going through a divorce because they spoke about it often. He testifies later on that a divorce. The divorce was full of animosity on both sides. And by February of 2023, with the trial date coming up for the divorce, Becky was jacked to get this over with. Yeah, she was excited to just not fight anymore and be done with it. Whatever. However the chips fall, they fall. But write a check or get a.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Check, but be done with it.

[James Petregallo]

At least be done with this mess now. February 10th, 2003 or 2023. Not 2003. February 10th. Okay. At around 9:30am, Tim called the police department and the receptionist answered the call on the speakerphone. And people heard Tim say that he had a gun that he needed to return to his ex wife from a judge's order, but that he did not want to give it. To quote that crazy bitch. I don't want to give it to that crazy bitch. The phone call was then transferred to a lieutenant in the police department named Shannon Pilkington. And Shannon Pilkington says that Tim said the reason for his phone call was, was the court order to give his soon to be ex wife, as he put it, a gun because she had proof or she had proof that she had a gun safe. So if she could prove she had a gun safe, then he has to give her the gun back. He described the divorce as brutal and contentious. He didn't want to personally give the gun to her because he did not feel safe and he was afraid of what she might do if he met with her. So Pilkington, the lieutenant, told him that the police department would not be involved in the return of the weapon. Basically, it's a great story. Work it out on your own. We don't give a fuck. That's a civil matter.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Don't get hurt, but get rid of the gun.

[James Petregallo]

It's a civil matter. It's not our fucking. If she shoots you, give us a call, we'll come over. But other than that, we really have no. We have no recourse here. Which makes sense. Now. Valentine's Day, February 14, 2023, they a neighbor said that she saw someone in the middle of the night outside Becky's house on a bicycle. Okay, okay. And she said that she texted Becky immediately. She said, I told her we just saw somebody in the driveway. And Becky responded the next morning. And she said that the next morning she said that's when she told me she hadn't seen anything, but she had thought that she'd been hearing voices in her backyard and her motion light went on. So now she's very paranoid is what Becky said. Oh, man. I was hearing voices and my motion light went on. So that makes sense. So everybody, including Becky and his neighbors, all thought that this was some. Somebody looking for shit to steal. Somebody looking for a garage that's open and you know, people are always prowling around, if you will. If you will fucking lay away your 3 year old for meth. Like I think that, you know, people are. They don't put it past people to maybe go into your garage and steal whatever the fuck from you.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Or maybe somebody's planting some more IUDs in this fucking place. Who knows?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, IUD.

[Jimmy Wisman]

IUD.

[James Petregallo]

Not IUDs. If they were planting IUDs, that'd be good for everybody. It's less crazy right there in your garage. Yeah. Why is there an IUD in here? Look at it. See, it looks like a little guy like this. What is this? What's up with that? Why is that?

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's like a cross minus. Jesus, look at it.

[James Petregallo]

This little thing stops it all. Wow.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That thing sorts out jizz, huh?

[James Petregallo]

Fascinating. Weird, weird, weird. So, February 22, 2023.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. Now Tim is going to have the kids this night, even though Becky's supposed to have the kids the night before. February 21, 2023, at 7:46pm Becky messaged Tim and said, are you able to keep the kids tomorrow? I do not feel good today. And feeling worse as the night goes on. She had some kind of surgery three days earlier. That's why Tim has the kids. She had some kind of surgery. I don't think it was anything major, but enough to where she doesn't feel good. He responded, yes, I can keep them. I assume you're referring to overnight as well. Unless something drastic changes tomorrow during the day with how you feel. Okay. Becky responded, correct. Overnight. So would you pick them up from school and keep them Wednesday overnight? And he said, okay. So Becky is home alone recovering from the surgery there. Tim's house is about a mile away.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

And Ray's house is near there, too. Everybody lives in the same neighborhood here. So anyway, There we go. February 23rd. Now by the way, the sons are 12, 10 and 5 at this point. They're not at home. They're staying with Tim still on the 23rd, at 11:51am on February 23rd, Tim called the school that the kids go to and said that he couldn't get in touch with Becky. Okay. And then he called the school to see if she had called there. Yeah. And he also said that to the receptionist here, he knew that the boys were going to be walking home and he told me he'd be picking them up instead of having them walk home. That's what the receptionist said. Now, she said she found the call unusual because neither Tim nor Becky had ever previously called about how the children were going to get home. Either they walk or they show up and get them or whatever. But they never called ahead of time to give you us a heads up on it, essentially.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So how do you tell the school how they're getting home? Doesn't matter.

[James Petregallo]

It's weird. So they also. This woman also said that she did not, didn't call Tim that day and didn't believe anyone from the school had called him that day or anything like that. And she said that he ended up. Tim ended up picking the children up from school at 1:50pm which is an hour before dismissal on the 23rd. He was driving a rust red orange Honda CRV. And she said that Tim had also picked the children up the day before, but he didn't come an hour early. He came normal dismissal time.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So he knows when they get home.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So after he gets the kids. Tim said he couldn't get in contact with Becky. Remember, he called the school looking for her and so he contacted her father. He sent a text to Becky's dad here saying, do you know where Becky is? So this is what it said. Quote, can you please call Becky and ask her to tell me when she's getting the boys today? I had them last night because she said she was sick, but she hasn't responded to any of the messages I sent today. And I don't know if she's still sick or if she's coming to get them or what's happening. I can keep the children again tonight if needed, but I just need her to let me know what she wants to do. Yeah. So apparently the dad told Tim that he hadn't been able to get ahold of her either. And so he said, I'm gonna go over to the house and see if she's okay because she just had a surgery and see what's going on. So he said yeah, he tried to call Tim back, but he didn't answer. So he just texted him that. And dad drives over to Becky's house and said that the front door was open.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

When he got there, the inside door, the heavy wooden door that was there was open, not unlocked. Open. Open in February in Illinois.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Not, not. Not latched.

[James Petregallo]

Not. Not closed. Yeah, not just open. So he said he checked in the garage and saw that her car was there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

So then he walked around and the downstairs looked around, didn't find anybody. So then he went upstairs into their bedroom and didn't see anything, but then turned to the bathroom and found her on the bathroom floor.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

This has nothing to do with her surgery. She is covered in blood and full of holes. It's not good. Not good at all. Yeah, I don't think her surgery was to be pierced all over her body multiple times down to her organs. So unless it was that told to.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Go take care of that.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So this guy, dad didn't have his phone with him, so he went next door to call 91 1.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh God.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus Christ. So the next door neighbor said that he got there about 3:30pm he came over to her house and asked her use her phone because Becky was dead. He called 911. He called his wife. He called his wife because he wanted to remain at Becky's house and he didn't want his wife to drive. So the neighbor went up and went and picked up Becky or picked up the mom, Bernadette. So on the drive back, Bernadette called Tim and the neighbor could hear the conversation. During the conversation, Bernadette told Tim that Becky was dead. At some point Tim had said that, quote, the school had called him to. Because Becky didn't pick the boys. Pick up the boys. So they called him. Which isn't true. Right?

[Jimmy Wisman]

He called them.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, we. That's the point. Yeah. They said they didn't call. Shit. They didn't know who was getting anybody from when. Now, 3:33pm is when the first Quincy police officer arrives on the scene. Here he is called to assist with the. Or the first detective he's called to assist with the investigation. He said that he was told it could be a suicide by the responding officers who don't understand how people kill themselves. Apparently it's not by. But then when he saw shell casings everywhere. The bathroom door had clearly been kicked in and she's full of holes, including in her hands. You go, well, people normally don't have defensive wounds from a suicide. So this doesn't look like a suicide. He said that behind the broken door was a cell phone sitting on the floor. Pieces of wood from the door were also found all over the place, which led them to believe that whoever did this violently kicked in the door. She ran in there to try to get away. It didn't work. So he. The officer said he noticed around her body several very small pieces of plastic around her body. Little pieces of, like, limp plastic, not hard plastic. And he said there appeared to be a towel in her underwear in the genital area. But that is from that. She's wearing compression. She's got surgery stuff on. That's why.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So she's wearing like those. Those mesh things? Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

At first they thought it was some kind of weird posing thing or something where they put something weird on her, but it's not. It's. She has a. Like this. It's all set up. Yeah. Surgery stuff. So we won't get into that too. Dressed wounds. Exactly. So here they made a diagram and showed all of this later on. Now, they found a broken window in the second story of the home, in the bedroom on the east side of the second story of the house. One of the windows was open and the window glass was broken. And there was damage to the upper right portion of the window frame. Inside, just under the window, there was a partial impression of a shoe or a boot. Okay, so they're like, okay, this is interesting. They also found a chair outside pulled from the patio and placed next to the house to be able to get up.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's how you stand. Yeah, it's called ladder.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's how you work it. So police determined quickly that whoever did this broken into the house by prying open an upstairs window in one of the children's bedrooms. They said, quote, the person had climbed up on there. There was a patio chair that was pulled over. They walked past the Becky's windows in her bedroom, and then when they went to a room of one of the boys and pried it open, broke the window open and went in, you could almost trace their path to Becky's room. They had kicked in or broken the door violently. Becky then ran into the bathroom, turned around and got shot. So because she has gunshot wounds all over her, they also found there's tool markings on the window showing that it had been pride.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yep.

[James Petregallo]

So they. They swabbed the chair outside for DNA evidence. Because it's 20, 23 there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is some of the most advanced shit that they've got.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, touch. Touch. DNA exists now. So It's a big deal. So they said they're swabbing the chair for DNA evidence, possibly touch DNA. They said they did not try to obtain fingerprints from the chair because doing so might compromise the DNA evidence. So they'd rather have the DNA than a fingerprint.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't want the dust. I want the juice.

[James Petregallo]

I want the juices from deep inside you.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I want his hand juices.

[James Petregallo]

So they take a picture of the broken window from inside the home and a photo of the footprint left on the carpet. So they described it, saying that pieces from a metal are pieces of metal from a door and pieces of plastic on the floor around her. So there's both. Remember the little tiny pieces of plastic? We'll find out more about that. And they said the photo that they took also shows metal broken off the door frame, splintered wood from the door, and several shell casings in the room and one more casing in the hallway.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay, so somebody took a pot shot as they were walking. Walked in, yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Shot her once, probably, and then went closer. They're thinking, so. Jesus Christ. They also. The photo also shows that she. Multiple pieces of plastic and a bullet hole around her on the floor as well. So interesting here now, the wounds from the autopsy report. This is brutal, dude. She was shot 14 times.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Holy shit.

[James Petregallo]

14 times with a nine.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's all of them. My God.

[James Petregallo]

That's a lot of shots, man. That is just. That's a lot. I don't know how many people need to be shot 14 times before they're dead, but if you can't kill someone close range with 10 shots, you should probably not have a gun. We'll put it that way.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Matter of fact, there's 15. And you said there's a bullet hole on the ground, mister, you missed, you piece of shit.

[James Petregallo]

How could you miss?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, God.

[James Petregallo]

That is fucking pathetic, isn't it?

[Jimmy Wisman]

From that distance, you scumbag.

[James Petregallo]

So they said that there was. This is a. The police chief of Quincy said that was significant because why would you shoot someone 14 times when you could have shot them twice and killed them? It seemed like someone was coming for Becky. Made it very personal.

[Jimmy Wisman]

The only reason 14 is because they missed with one.

[James Petregallo]

Otherwise, 15. Yep. I shot a total of 14 times. They said none of the wounds were immediately fatal. She bled out.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. It's fucking horrible. She'd been shot nine times in the torso, three times in her right arm and two times in her left hand. One of them counts as went through her hand and into her arm. So they said the Hand wounds are obviously defensive wound. They said it took her minutes to die. Jesus Christ. They said it was an emotional response for both of us to realize that she had not just to realize not just that she had been executed, but that her last minutes were lying on a floor alone in the dark, in extreme pain, waiting for to die.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, God.

[James Petregallo]

Fucking horrible. She was wearing black compression surgical pants and a surgical compression pad on her torso. So they said that. Yeah. Nine gunshot wounds to the torso alone. And so many. That's so many. Jesus Christ. They said the mechanism of death was internal bleeding as she had almost no blood left in her. When she. When they found.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, there's. How would you. That's so much.

[James Petregallo]

They said because of the compression pad. It wasn't surprising that there wasn't as much blood on the floor next to her as you would expect because it's soaking up blood. Yeah, the compression pad. They said that this would have been an extremely painful death. They said they noticed. They noted that a projectile entered the back of her hand, exiting through her palm. That hurts.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Aiming just at mid. Just center mass. That's so fucked up.

[James Petregallo]

They also performed a sexual assault kit. And she was not sexually assaulted in any way, which. That's good. It's just it. Later on, the prosecutor will say whoever killed Becky stood over her and emptied the clip. Fired until there was no more bullets available. It was really, really a really horrible crime scene. A lawyer said that it was really, really a really horrible crime scene. They find her phone behind the door. This is essential because it determines exactly when this happened. Yeah, they know exactly when this happened because at 1:11am she tried to dial 91 1. Oh, and her phone recorded it. She dialed 91126 before her phone was knocked out of her hand. So she got 911 and she just didn't get call.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There was motion, something happened and her thumb slipped. She hit the 2 in the 60s.

[James Petregallo]

As it fell out of 911 2. She probably was pulling it away. It got knocked out of her hand or as it was hit out of her hand, the two and the six got touched.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

This close to getting it off. I mean, literally two inches from the cops being called. At least that would have sent someone to the house, you know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So that's crazy. 91126. They also. They found her phone behind the bedroom door. The partial shoe print near the entry, by the way. Nothing stolen in the house at all. Nothing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Just a murder.

[James Petregallo]

Just a horribly brutal and personal murder. And the neighbors didn't see or hear anything.

[Jimmy Wisman]

15 rounds.

[James Petregallo]

Emptied a clip and they didn't hear a fucking thing. At one in the morning.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Fifteen rounds, Not a single.

[James Petregallo]

Wow.

[Jimmy Wisman]

How far apart are these houses?

[James Petregallo]

That's remarkable. Gets what I mean. This is crazy. Like, is there another house between his house and her house a mile away? That's a lot. And Nobody's up at 1 in the morning. These are all early Tibettors. Like, what the fuck?

[Jimmy Wisman]

No insomniac neighbor at my neighbor's house, I guarantee I wake up.

[James Petregallo]

I probably hear it. I would imagine so. Now let's talk about these plastic pieces here around her, because that's really weird. And they don't know what to make of all this plastic. These are small little shreds of plastic found around the body. And they said, we thought it was very unusual. When we saw that, the attorney said, I was like, okay, what's this? The pieces are examined further and they are found under microscopic analysis and everything found to be remnants of an Aldi grocery bag. The store Aldi? Yeah, it's one of the plastic grocery bags. They. Do they have them? This is part of. This is one of them. Yeah, this is one of them.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is why they don't have them.

[James Petregallo]

Now, do they not? I don't know. I walked in Aldi once, and it looked like a fucking. It looked like fucking Ellis island or something. Like, there's just people, like, swarming everywhere and know it was happening. There was like, vegetables on the floor. I said, I'm getting the fuck out of here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It looks like a Ross of grocery stores. I'm told it's fantastic. Yeah, it looks like there's just mismatched shit everywhere.

[James Petregallo]

We picked up a cart, walked down one aisle, turned around, dropped the cart off and left because there was just shit everywhere. And it was. It was just chaos. It was chaos, man.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So here is another thing they're gonna look for. They said they checked seven casings, shell casings that were there. They tested them for DNA, and one was tested for fingerprints as well because you can only do one or the other because it's a small area. They said there isn't enough surface on the casing to test for both. So they said they could also not test for both DNA and fingerprints on the small pieces of plastic bag around the body because the surface is too small.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So that's what they're working on now. Now they go around the whole neighborhood because it's 2023. Does no one ever ring doorbell cam here? No one have SimpliSafe in this whole fucking neighborhood.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You guys don't have ears, apparently. So it doesn't know.

[James Petregallo]

It's wild. Yeah. So anyway, during this, the police began investigating. They speak to Becky's next door neighbors. They had security cameras set up in their driveway alongside Becky's house.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Good.

[James Petregallo]

They're like, okay. The camera didn't capture anything unusual on the night murder, but it did capture something a little bit earlier here. They said that. They said at 1:05am Here, a person was seen walking down the driveway toward the back of Becky's house. And then what appeared to be the same person was seen 48 minutes later walking the opposite direction. So whoever went past the camera went in or in or around Becky's house for 48 minutes and then left. So then they found out that there was another camera that captured. Are that. I'm sorry, this camera that captured this captured a similar incident on Valentine's Day.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Someone coming up to Becky's house.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Now there's another. Now they go to the whole neighborhood looking for cameras. Here. They found another video here. This is from a bus barn. The fuck is that?

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't know.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. That footage showed a person riding a bike in the direction of Becky's house right before the murder and in the opposite direction right after the murder.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

So they began to suspect obviously whoever was on that bike, whoever's been seen in the driveway videos and in that neighborhood, probably the same person. Sure. Because there wasn't two people out in the middle of the winter in Illinois riding a fucking bicycle around at 1 in the morning. That's just weird.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is a bizarre thing. Didn't even think about that, huh? How weird it would be that weird riding a bike.

[James Petregallo]

Well, in Phoenix you see that all the time because people are making meth in their backpack and that's how you do it. So.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, right.

[James Petregallo]

That's a normal thing to see in Phoenix but not in like a rural area. Yeah, that's how they do it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So you get.

[James Petregallo]

They were.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So you get the shit to activate.

[James Petregallo]

That's how they do it. Yeah, that's a thing you make your little backpack. Math you can do. It's fucking gross. So. So they're thinking, yeah, that has to be the same person. The only problem with the videos was that the person seen in them is completely unidentifiable. It is just a dark figure. They could only see that the bike did not appear to have reflectors on the wheels. That's what the only thing distinctive about anything person bike is that there's no reflectors on the wheels, but that's a.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Great clue because that means somebody took those the fuck off.

[James Petregallo]

Also, most bikes have them on there, so if you find one without, that's something. So they said later on, the prosecution team, somebody said this isn't the part of town that. Where people ride bikes in the middle of the night in the winter. And so when you have this surveillance video and it exactly matches the timeline, it's pretty suspicious. So the February 14th one filmed a person walking down the driveway at 12:37am that was the one from Valentine's Day. I almost said from Halloween. So Becky's sister Sarah here, she gets the call that she's been killed, that Becky's been killed. Sarah lives in New York, was away on vacation with her husband. So she said it was a living nightmare. How fast can we get to the airport, fly back to New York, unpack our swimsuits, pack funeral clothes, and get to Quincy? All. All in the matter of, like, this horrible grief and, you know, obviously your sister's just been murdered, so that is fucking crazy happy shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And put.

[James Petregallo]

Put sad shit in. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Damn it.

[James Petregallo]

God damn it. So they said that to them, there was only one person that came to mind as a suspect, and that was Tim.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, there's a big, long text.

[James Petregallo]

That's it? Yeah, that's it. So they said that that's all there is to it. So they do more DNA testing here. They say that they collected DNA from the handlebars of a bicycle that we'll find here in a second. They find a bicycle. Okay, and we'll talk about this. It's a blue bicycle, and they said that the DNA on the handlebars of this bicycle did not belong to Tim, Becky, their children, or. Or Ted Johnson, the boyfriend.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

No DNA on there. They tried to get DNA from a chair outside Becky's house, but she wasn't able to collect the sample that was suitable for comparison because there was so little DNA present. They also tested the swabs the police collected from Becky's door handle and concluded that it was unlikely that the DNA was deposited by either Johnson or Tim, but may have come from Becky or one of the children. Okay, so not one of the two guys that might kill her. Because the cops look at it this way. Yes, they're in the middle of a contentious divorce, but they've known each other for 15 years, and they were both still alive. This Ted Johnson guy just popped up, and now she's dead.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Great shot. Yeah, great.

[James Petregallo]

So just logically you're going to look at him too clearly, you know what I mean? You just. You never know what kind of guy he is. So they said that they did that. They also collected DNA from a piece of plastic that was found around Becky's body and said it was likely that Becky's DNA was in the sample and not likely that it was Johnson's DNA in the sample. They also said that there was more support for Tim being a contributor to that sample as opposed to not being a contributor. However, it was limited in nature. So basically it's like 50. 50. It might be him. That's not enough. It could be anybody at that point. So that means that there's a lot of people that fall under that catego category. So, yeah. They said also that they tested a spent 9 millimeter cartridge found in the hallway and concluded that the DNA on the casing belonged to Becky. Oh, not. That's in the hallway. Not either Tim or Johnson. Neither of them. Not the boyfriend, not the husband. Her DNA is on it. Hmm, that's interesting. Now, they further tested the eight cartridge casings found at her house and the projectiles in her body. They found that they were all fired from the same gun. They opined that it was either a CZ75 9 millimeter handgun or a Ruger 9 millimeter handgun that could have fired the rounds. By the way, Becky's missing gun is a CZ75.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

A nine millimeter. Yeah, the one that's missing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And her DNA is on the shell casing, meaning it could be her gun. And she just loaded it and never fired any rounds out of it. And now every round that just came after her were ones she put. That's even worse.

[James Petregallo]

She loaded her. That she loaded the gun for her own death. That's possible. God, that's possible. Or they said also fluids. Anything's flying through the air, something. There's a lot of possibilities. So what about Ted Johnson? Let's talk about him.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What about him? Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So February 20th or February 13th, 2023, he spent the night with Becky at her house. Romantic Valentine's Day evening. Or the Eve. The next time he saw her, he said, was on the evening of February 21, when he brought her over some food, visited for an hour and left. He's like, I don't like. I don't like when broads are recovering from things, you know? Makes me uncomfortable. Here's your food. I'm getting out of here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So you vulnerable? Maybe. Never mind. You hot again?

[James Petregallo]

Just. It's dangerous for me. That's all it is. Here, I got you some Taco Bell. Enjoy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Johnson's real precarious.

[James Petregallo]

So on the evening of February 22, he spoke with Becky on the phone. And she said that she was excited to pick her children up the next day because she was finally allowed to drive for the first time since having abdominal surgery the week before. She was happy to get out of the house and do shit. That was the 23rd, the day that he picked the kids up and called the school that Tim did. So that morning. The following morning, the 23rd, he texted her multiple times. Ted Johnson did, and multiple times. She never responded. He talked to Becky's sister Sarah later in the day and she told him that Becky had been found dead in her home. That's his story. So later, Johnson meets with the detectives at the Quincy Police Department. During their meeting, he answered questions. He allowed a photo of his shoes to be taken, shared his phone, if they downloaded all the data off his phone. Submitted to GSR testing of his hands, which, I mean, it's the next day. So I mean, unless he's a filthy monster who doesn't ever have water hit his hands, probably going to be gone by now. And volunteered a swab for DNA testing as well. Good. So I mean, he's saying, I'm an open book. They asked him if he owned any firearms and he said yes, he owned a 40 caliber Smith and Wesson. And they said, he said he does not own any 9 millimeter handguns. And they said, okay, what, what do you drive? And he said he drives a truck with Missouri license plate reading 8 DC J55. Because he had previously lived in Missouri. He said that Pecky's children usually stayed with her on Wednesday nights. But on Wednesday, February 22, Becky had arranged for the children to stay with Tim because she was recovering from surgery. He said he did not go to her house that night at all. He said he had a visit. He went visited a friend that evening from 6:30 to 7:30 and then went home and was alone in his house the whole rest of the night. Never left again.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's a bad alibi.

[James Petregallo]

Not a great alibi. Visiting with a friend and then past 7:30 you have no alibi. But I mean, normal people don't need to establish alibis if you're not. I mean, you're.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You live alone most of your life. Yeah, most of my life is the worst alibi.

[James Petregallo]

You don't know you have no alibi. None. Unless you were doing this or dropping your kids off at a sporting thing. You have no fucking alibi whatsoever.

[Jimmy Wisman]

My alibi sucks all the time.

[James Petregallo]

I was in the hot tub. Smoking a joint isn't a good alibi. There's no proof.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Who was with you? Me.

[James Petregallo]

Nobody.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I was doing a very boring thing, you, Honor.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Sorry. Oh, man. I swear I didn't kill them, But I'm really innocent. Honestly. I'm just very. I just do boring shit. I just smoke weed alone a lot, you know? So the bike they found. They find a blue Schwinn Sidewinder bicycle that fits. It's a mountain bike. Fits the general bicycle from the picture less than a half a block from Tim's house. They find it just outside. Like wedged in between things. Yes. The bicycle had no reflectors on the wheels. The bicycle appeared to not have been there very long either. It's not like somebody dumped it there three years ago. The tires had full air in them. There's no rust damage and there's no weeds growing over it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

Particularly pasta sauce drives me bananas. And Rouse is Rouse is there and it tells me what's, what's good and what's not.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

Now back to the show.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wisman]

You just need the right shoes.

[James Petregallo]

That's where designer shoe warehouse comes in. Loving wide leg jeans. Pair them with Sleek, low profile sneakers obsessed with the sheer trend. Try it with mesh flats, feeling boho, comfy sandals. Nail the whole free spirited thing. Find on trend shoes from the brands you love like Birkin stock, Nike, Adidas and more at dsw. It hasn't been there long. They found this bike on February 27th. So four days after the murder they found this bike. No reflectors on the wheels and they were like, interesting. Less than a half mile from his house, from Ted's house, from Tim's house. I said Ted now. Then a few days later they did a. A police officer climbed the side of Becky's home and up to the roof like would have been done because it basically went over the roof and around. He described the climb as difficult and believed a person would need to be somewhat athletic to make a climb, which Tim is. Tim and Ted are both described as athletic and in good shape and young. Neither of them are 60 years old or anything. They're both reasonably athletic. Basically someone. If someone weighed 400 pounds or they had a medical problem or they were 65 years old, they couldn't do it, but are reasonably athletic, younger person could do it. So now they need a search warrant for Tim's place because they found this bike. So they do that. They investigate here. And they executed the way they got him, by the way, March 1, 2023, they execute a traffic stop on him pursuant to the search warrant. During the stop, he is wearing a fitness tracker device. A whoop. This is all capital letters, W, H, O, O, P. He got himself a knockoff. A knockoff. Fitbit, Dollar General Fitbit. I feel like that is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Fitbits are like 30 bucks now.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I don't know what the fuck this is, but whoop, a whoop. He's wearing a whoop on his left wrist. So they seize the whoop and his phone as part of the deal here, as part of the warrant, the phone records obtained from his service provider and data from the phone showed that on February 23, 2023, that's the day that her body is found. At 11:51am he made a phone call to the school, which we know lasted for under a minute. He also reviewed a report. This is the guy looking over the detective, not Tim. The detective reviewed a report from Becky's ADT system, the Security System, which showed that on February 23, 2023, there was an alert that the front door had been opened at 1:12am okay. Okay. Now at Tim's house they find another bike, a black, red and white mongoose Bicycle. Its rear tire is flat and it has reflectors on both wheels. That's not our bike. That's not our bike. And the bike they found is not at his house. It's just out somewhere.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Just out there. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Which if a person, Tim or not Tim or anybody, rode a bike into the neighborhood and murdered this person, whatever, might want to ditch the bike on the way out. They might think, you know, oh, I'm probably on cameras, I should ditch this bike. So that really doesn't help them at all.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And if you know anything about her at all and you're targeting to murder her, if you looking for anybody to frame for this, maybe, perhaps if you know that she needs to die and you're mad at her, then you have a contentious device divorced.

[James Petregallo]

And everyone she knows knows that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Bury everything near him.

[James Petregallo]

Everyone.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'd put a gun in his porch.

[James Petregallo]

Put in his mailbox. Right in his mailbox.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'd sneak up in his room and put it in his fucking belt loops.

[James Petregallo]

So that doesn't help them at all. No connect anything. What does help a lot is they found stacks of plastic Aldi grocery bags at his house. Like the stack you take off the rack?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, the whole thing.

[James Petregallo]

Like a stack of them? Like that? Yeah. Like you break off 20 of them unused. They found that in his home. Okay, he's got bags. Wait till you hear his excuse for that. It's hilarious.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So in his basement here, on a shelving unit, they found multiple boxes of ammunition. One of the boxes contained both fired bullets or both unfired bullets and spent nine millimeter cartridge cases. During they said that the spent cartridge cases found at Becky's house were also 9 millimeter too. But in his basement, in Tim's basement, they also found a crowbar on top of a shelf where no other tools were located. Just a crowbar sitting up there as well. Keep it up there. They also said they found a large gun safe on the main floor of the house that contained multiple firearms, firearm accessories and ammunition. They did a gun purchase check on both Becky and Tim and learned that she had purchased the CZ.75 9 millimeter handgun. However, they did not find that gun at the house.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

He noted that that Tim had in the past purchased two 9 millimeter handguns. A Ruger LC9, which again could possibly. They said that could be the murder weapon. And a Ruger SR9. He did not find the LC9 in the gun safe, by the way, but did find the SR9. Okay. Then they look up, they get into his electronics, which Was the point, main point of pulling him over here they see that shows that on February 14, 2023, starting at 1:10am yeah. Which is just after the time that somebody walked. 12:57am Someone walked up their driveway that night. A series of searches were performed for queries such as license plate lookup, Illinois license plate lookup, title and registration license plate lookup. Free vehicle history, vehicle identification number check.info. okay.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why is he looking up?

[James Petregallo]

Eventually, at 1:25am the searches went down. Now are being conducted for Missouri License plate number 8 DC J55. Sound familiar? Why else would I tell you earlier that that's his license plate numbering as it matters later. God damn it. Which is Ted Johnson's. Just in case anybody was zoning out or doing something there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sure, sure.

[James Petregallo]

They also on his laptop found a search for a VIN decoder. For VIN decoder sites, vehicle identification numbers to find out who owned a 2021 Toyota Tundra with the same VIN as Johnson's truck.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He walked up to that man's vehicle and took a picture of his vintage. What a scumbag.

[James Petregallo]

That's dirty up to the goddamn windshield. All the way in the corner there. Yeah, that's. You gotta want that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You. You gotta lean on that car almost. Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

And then you gotta put some light on it too. You need a flash for it. It's dark outside at midnight.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He's doing that. God.

[James Petregallo]

One in the morning. Yep. So it turns out that's Becky's boyfriend there. So one of the police people said. And for someone with power and control issues, you realize that your prior significant other is now in a relationship with somebody, that they're spending the night on Valentine's Day. And then the minute you get back to your home at 1:10am in the morning, you're searching their license plate number and VIN number. That's someone who's lost control all alone. If that's not bad enough, let's find some more searches that he found here. They said. We learned that he had searched several phrases and terms that just shocked us. The prosecutor said.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What are these?

[James Petregallo]

He was searching. Jesus. Quote, how to pry open a door with a crowbar.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What the fuck?

[James Petregallo]

How to murder your ex wife, who you have three kids with, are trying to get a divorce and once made a comment about on Family Feud. He might as well have texted that. Just text or search for that. Just go ahead, you two.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Show me how to open doors with a. You fucking wife, you idiot.

[James Petregallo]

If that's not dumb enough. How to wash gunpowder residue off My hands. And if that's not bad enough, he then searched Quincy Police Department. Response time. Are you kidding me? How long do I have?

[Jimmy Wisman]

He's setting it. Setting his fucking whoop to it.

[James Petregallo]

Well, no, we'll find out about the whoop. He's not setting his whoop to it. No, he's aware of his whoops. He's got whoop awareness here. So they said that those actions just didn't seem like the actions of an innocent person. They seemed a little off, I would say. I've never searched for any of that shit unless it had to do with a case of the show. You could then look up and see all the other shit I looked up with that would see it's not murder for me.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I guess I've never loved anyone or been jealous or I've never in my life felt to look up a plate or a VIN number.

[James Petregallo]

I don't care once we're not fucking. I don't care who you're fucking because it ain't me. I'm too busy looking for someone else to be fucking. So I don't care.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Gym sock before I worry about who somebody else is. I don't shit.

[James Petregallo]

Nope. Once I'm done, I'm done. I'm out. I don't care anymore. You do whatever you want. Imagine I'll give a shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Because both of us, I know that we're both like that because we were both when our ex wives back in the day started dating and we were both like awesome.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Thank good God.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, we both fuck on. I neither of us were upset at all. We were both like awesome.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Couldn't care less.

[James Petregallo]

Oh just. Yeah, great, good. Move on. So the search histories in his laptop queries were average QPD response time. Does my whoop record the exact times I wear it? See, I was thinking about it. He knew.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Is this cheap piece of monitoring me.

[James Petregallo]

Does this thing work at all? Google said. Google said. Do you mean fitness? What the is a wood?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Do you mean I fucking whoop?

[James Petregallo]

What is that? We're googling. We don't know what a whoop is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Holy. These things are so expensive, James.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, you got a high quality whoop.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's $240.

[James Petregallo]

Oh my God.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Just buy an Apple watch, you cheap fuck.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus Christ.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I think I paid 140 for my Apple watch. It's cheaper than this piece of shit.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus man. So does my whoop record exact times I wear it? How to check if a gun is registered to me? Does my whoop catch up when I'm not wearing it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Do I know how to use this thing at all?

[James Petregallo]

Can you just wash off gunpowder residue? You can, by the way, and just scrub. Well, I know that. Then here's maybe the worst one. Quote. How to make a homemade pistol silencer.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petregallo]

That's why they didn't hear anything.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Check it out. He made it. Yes.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Aldi bag.

[James Petregallo]

Aldi. He made a silencer out of Aldi bags? That's accusing him of. Here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

God. Whoop. Of fucking.

[James Petregallo]

Of grocery bags. Not even a Kroger. Jesus Christ. Okay. Other searches and websites visited included information about how to identify if a shotgun shell was fired from a specific gun. Yeah, why? Criminals do not use shotguns despite cartridges being untraceable. Like how come everyone's not using a shotgun if they're untraceable? He literally looked that up. Cuz it's the loudest fucking thing you could do is fire off a shotgun.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's why I don't think Aldi bags are silencing that.

[James Petregallo]

You're hearing that shit from fucking three miles away. That's why they don't use those very well.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Look at the hole at the end of that fucking barrel, man.

[James Petregallo]

Kaboom. Omar used one because he didn't give a shit. He didn't think that. He didn't think McNulty and Bunk were going to be rolling up anytime soon. That's why.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Because Baltimore's response time is a little slower than Quincy's.

[James Petregallo]

Especially at the low rises. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, all that. Also how to open a window from the outside using a crowbar to force open a window. Lock picking techniques and more information about whoop data and tracking.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Whoops. Couldn't be more appropriate.

[James Petregallo]

But you can't tie him to that bike. That's the thing you can't tie him to. Oh shit. Maybe you can. Let's look at his Facebook.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No way.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. He had a on his phone, a fake Facebook account under the name of John Smith. He's very creative man, this guy. He's got a big imagination. So that John Smith account appeared to have been looking at the bike for sale. A blue Schwinn without reflectors on the wheels.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Bought it at Marketplace.

[James Petregallo]

Just like the bike that was found a half black, half block from his house. Now, the guy who owned the bike testified that in October 2022, through Facebook, this is months earlier, he sold a blue Schwinn bicycle that didn't have reflectors on either wheel. The buyer was a tall white man, a Little shorter than this guy. This guy's 6 foot 6, so everybody's shorter than him and had an athletic build. He couldn't remember anything else about it because it was a $75 bike transaction. So he wasn't really doesn't care. It's not the guy who like you know, adopted his son or something. Who gives a shit?

[Jimmy Wisman]

I asked 75, I got 35. I don't care what this guy did with it.

[James Petregallo]

I don't care if he cares.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't care if he beat a child to death with it. Doesn't matter.

[James Petregallo]

Not my problem at that point. So the name associated with the profile that Tim was using was John Smith. And the account didn't have a photo obviously they found messages using Facebook messenger from user John Smith to other people. So one message to Bob Singleton read, bob, any interest in pushing back to roughly 11am in Hannibal tomorrow? I'll be in an orange Honda CRV when you arrive. So we know it's him because it's not somebody else using his phone. So. And they, and that guy testified too that he was driving it on Honda crv, this guy that he was sending. They also said John Smith sent another message to Singleton saying, hey Bob, I got down here a little early, I'll be having coffee ins. I'm in a green zip up hoodie, hooded jacket, I have long brown hair. Just to make sure that you know, it's him, it's his car. Describe myself. Yeah. He also found a message from John Smith account to on his phone to Amy Trevor Webster, about a 26 inch Mongoose mountain bike she was selling on Facebook. So it's a bike. He asked if the bike was still available for purchase on October. October 12th, 12th, 2022. She responded that it was available and asked what time he'd like to pick it up. John replied, between 1 and 2pm and they replied, yeah, that's fine. I'm not sure when I'll be home, but if I'm not, I will set it out front and you can just pay money in the mailbox. This is the Midwest.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't give a shit about this bike.

[James Petregallo]

I don't care if you steal it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That says, yeah, I'm leaving it on the patio, hopefully you pay for it. If not, whatever.

[James Petregallo]

So later on that afternoon John Smith wrote, money is in the mailbox. Thank you. That by the way, is the mountain bike that was found in his garage, the Mongoose. So he has tied himself to John Smith's Facebook account and is inextricably he's in there now. They also tested the bike they got on the Schwinn. They. Well, not that Schwinn because it's evidence, but they got an exact model of that Schwinn and made the. The ride one of the cops did from Tim's house north of the school bus garage to Becky's house. And it took under five minutes. So real easy for him to do that. Oh, it gets worse for Tim.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

Worse than how do I kill my ex wife who has three kids named Becky and who wants to call my father a child? Worse than Googling that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Did he write his name in jizz?

[James Petregallo]

They found inside the gun safe in his room dozens of shell casings. Like we said, spent shell casings were found in his home. An expert compared them to shell casings found at the crime scene and determined that 27 shell casings in Tim's house had been fired from the same gun used in the murder.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why would he do that?

[James Petregallo]

Fucking idiot. Then they test out the bags as well. They fired the gun inside a bag or a couple bags, which created multiple pieces of finely shredded Pl similar to what they found on and around Becky's body.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why would he do that?

[James Petregallo]

Is it to catch the casings? Because sometimes people will put a bag to try to catch the casings. Because they only found nine casings at the scene. So he took some of them with him. Maybe that was in the bag. The bag got in front of it, started getting blown away with it. Or they tried to make a silencer. He did.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Or he was trying to do both silence and catch and then forgot that this is gonna put holes in it.

[James Petregallo]

That's. Yes.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He doesn't seem like the smartest person. He's pretty fucking dumb.

[James Petregallo]

Which is crazy. Cause he's pretty smart. That's fucked up.

[Jimmy Wisman]

He's smart, dumb.

[James Petregallo]

He's not murder smart.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

You know what he did? He hasn't listened to this show.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No. Right. He's dumb smart.

[James Petregallo]

And this is the thing. He had seven years of an opportunity before this murder to listen to our show.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And yeah, we've been doing a while, Tim.

[James Petregallo]

Not that we don't wanna. We don't want anybody to help anybody get away with murder.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This isn't a house.

[James Petregallo]

Get your goddamn shit together. I just want. If you're gonna do something, do it properly. Assholes. Just murder. Fucking planting a garden. Anything. Just do it properly.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Also, if you don't murder, then don't murder. Cause you're not good at this, man.

[James Petregallo]

Don't murder. Oh, by the way, what does he have to say about all this? Quote, I can't even fathom the idea of considering murder somebody murdering somebody. Like, I can't. I'm not a violent person. I'm not an angry person. I've never been that way.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, well, we know that.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Just based on the evidence. Man, you. You googled it.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, God. His attorney said that she is determined to prove his innocence.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

She said, just because Tim and Becky are going through a messy divorce, it doesn't mean he killed her. That's crazy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

We're saying.

[James Petregallo]

She said it wasn't pretty, but the things that they were fighting over were not monumental things. And they. She was asked. This lawyer was asked about. There's a number of friends who said that she. Becky, had expressed tear. Fear of Tim. And the lawyer said, yeah, that's a lot of girl talk. I've never seen any pictures of her with bruises or marks. Any allegations of him beating on her? Nothing. Girl talk. She wasn't scared of a beating. She was scared of a murder. That's the thing. That's what she was scared of. Matter. Beating. That was just girl talk.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Terrible thing to say.

[James Petregallo]

Girls just. Well, it's kind of like saying if a guy's talking shit about his wife, another guy would go, it was just guy talk. We were complaining about our wives. That's what guys do. I think they're saying the same thing. Girls complain about their husband.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Overreactive woman. That's all.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. So that's what they're saying. Yeah. So the prosecutors say that even though there may not have been physical abuse, there was emotional abuse involved in text messages and all that. The prosecutor said, I would say what the texts reveal is somebody who wants power and control. He wants to control the relationship. He wants to control how people perceive him. Tim said, absolutely not. Tim said, no, she wasn't the one that was emotionally abused. I tried to create space. I tried to stay out of her life. And he said, I have an alibi for the murder, so.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, here we go. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Nanny, nanny, boo boo. You know what I mean? He says. They go, well, what was it? He goes, I was at home with my sleeping kids. That's great. Alibi, asshole. Yeah. So the. His lawyer said she told him that she wasn't feeling well. And he said, that's fine. That's how you want to see two people in a divorcing situation act with kids now. Also, they said. They. The prosecutors said that we were able to download information off Tim's phone And we found that he had what I'll call a burner or fake Facebook account for the name John Smith. And that John Smith was looking for a bike. Bike for sale. Abused a blue Schwinn with no reflectors, just like the one that was found. His lawyer again, says, that's nothing. She says, quote, I mean, I have a fake Facebook account. I'm not proud of it, but. But people do it. Do they search for things that were involved in murders? That's. That's the question. I don't have a fake Facebook account. Do you?

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't have a fake Facebook account.

[James Petregallo]

I have no fake accounts. I don't even want to deal with my real accounts, never mind fucking fake. I barely touch those. I haven't posted on Instagram in, like, six months. I just don't care. I'm busy with this.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. How fucking shitty her relationship is.

[James Petregallo]

It's so weird.

[Jimmy Wisman]

My husband could be cheating. I'm trying to catch him all the time.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, see, I have a fake burner account. I stalk people with it. What's the big deal? People do it. So they asked her. Isn't it a bit of a problem, though, that on his phone he gets an alert for that blue bike?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And the lawyer says, sure. Are there similarities? Sure, but that's not the only abandoned bike that's ever been found around town. Yeah, no, but it is the one that matches the one from the videos, and it is a half mile from the dead lady's house and even closer to the suspect's house, so it's kind of. Wow. Also, Tim says he knew about Becky's new relationship months earlier. That wasn't at Valentine's Day. When he saw the license plate, what it was, he said, I actually didn't care. That's it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Then why are you searching? Why are you.

[James Petregallo]

That's the thing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why are you looking for public records? Why? That's not a thing that a man that doesn't care does, bro.

[James Petregallo]

Nope. That's a thing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Guys that don't care.

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. I've never gone anywhere at one in the morning to search for anything. I don't care. Not searching for. That's some shit my mother used to drag me to do when I was a little fucking kid. Yeah, she'd be going out with this one or that one. We have to go at fucking midnight to some guy's house so she can drive by to see whose car is in the garage and all that shit. You know, many times I fucking did that with her and my aunts. And all this bullshit to drag me out in the middle of fucking night.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Like an asshole relationship and you're breaking up. Watch porn and beat your dick raw.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. Do that. Shut the fuck up about anything else.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Bed with Vaseline down.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, you'll have the surgical compression pants on. So his lawyer said she's got an excuse for it, that she didn't care. She said, quote, I mean, if I'm go. If I'm going to be checking out my husband's new girlfriend, I'm going to be doing it late at night after my kids are asleep or any other time during the day. Yeah, you're going to go walk down. You're going to leave your sleeping children in the house and stalk your ex and then get information and look it up? I don't think so. So the interviewer said. So it's just a coincidence that the night you see that prowler at the next door neighbor's driveway and his truck is there, it's just a coincidence that minutes later, Tim is doing research on the VIN number and the license tag.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

And the lawyer says that's not Tim in that video. Okay, did that person tell him about the tag in the vin? Because he looked it up minutes after whoever the fuck shadow person was looked at it. So what are we talking about? They said, what about the searches that were found in Tim's phone? The lawyer said there's no date or time as to when those searches were done. So we don't know if they were actually done before the murder and we don't know if they were done after the murder. But the state is saying that they do have a timestamp on it and it was minutes later.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Maybe you should ask them for discovery because they seem to have it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, they have a lot of shit. Well, there's. They haven't. He hasn't even been arrested yet. Oh, they're collecting evidence. They're just interviewing him. Interviewing the lawyer. So they end up searching a lagoon. Apparently, Tim is listed as co owner of TBRK Properties llc, the company which owns a trailer park, the Timber Ridge Mobile Home park on East State street east of Quincy. There's a lagoon there. So the police are in a boat. Searching the lagoon for the murder weapon is really what they're looking for. So they said they use strong magnets to comb through the water looking for metal, looking for a gun. Then there's video.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I love those.

[James Petregallo]

Those are cool.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Magnet fish. They always catch something cool.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it's fun shit, so. Oh. Especially in Some lagoon by a trailer park. Imagine the shit you're going to pull out of there, boy. Holy crap. So the WHOOP device. Now, it shows that the whoop was paired with his smartphone. He described the WHOOP armband as a battery powered wearable device that uses a Bluetooth connection to send data to a paired smartphone that is then transmitted via the Internet to your WHOOP account. So this is the timeline of events. Morning of February 14, 2023. Which is when that. Yeah, when the VIN numbers and everything were happening. At 12am, Tim's Whoop device disconnected from his phone. At 12:37am, the camera recorded an individual walking up Becky's driveway next to Becky's house. At 1:10am the Whoop device reconnected to his phone. At the same time, his laptop was being used to search for information about Johnson Johnson's truck.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Not good.

[Jimmy Wisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

Morning of February 21, 2023. At 12:44am, his cell phone screen locked, which meant the phone was not being used. At 12:45am the Whoop device disconnected from his phone. At 1:00am, the bus garage camera recorded a bicyclist heading toward the direction of Becky's house. At 1:17am the bicyclist passed the camera, headed north. At 1:41am he passed the camera, headed south, going back to the house. At 156, he passed by the camera, headed north. At 2:11, the Whoop device reconnected to the phone. At 5:30am the phone was unlocked.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So he's leaving his phone behind to go do things.

[James Petregallo]

Yes. Yeah, exactly. He's leaving his phone behind because he knows that's going to track.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That will track. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. So if he leaves at home, then it's different now, the morning. Yeah. The morning of February 22, 2023, his Whoop device. At 12:45am disconnected from his phone. At 12:50am, his cell phone screen locked. At 12:57, the bicyclist passed by the garage. At 1:05, the camera showed someone in the driveway next to Becky's house. At 110, the bicyclist passed the garage, headed north. At 1:15, the defendant's phone is unlocked, or Tim's phone is unlocked. And at 1:16am his whoop is reconnected to the phone. At 1:39am his phone is locked again and the whoop device disconnected from his phone. At 1:46am the bicyclist passed by the bus garage headed south. At 1:53am the camera recorded an individual in the driveway next to Becky's house. At 2:08am, a bicycle is past the garage heading north. At 2:19am, the Whoop device reconnected to his phone. So he's been doing this every night is what that says. These are the days before the murder, yeah. Yes. He's making sure of what's going on and times and shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And he's keeping track of the calories he burns while he does it.

[James Petregallo]

While he does it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's super fucking scummy.

[James Petregallo]

He's like, I want to lose a couple of pounds while I'm doing this. That's why I'm getting a bike, man.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Gotta keep track of my heart rate.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus. So the morning of February 23, 2023, that's when the murder happened. 12:36am, Tim's Whoop device disconnected from his phone. 12:38, his phone was locked. 12:55am, A bicyclist passes the bus garage headed south. The bike did not have reflectors there, by the way. We know that her phone tried to call 911 at 1:11am At 1:16am, the bicyclist passes the garage heading north. At 2:01am, the Whoop device is reconnected to his phone.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This man is just driving himself crazy.

[James Petregallo]

This is fucking insane, man. This is insane. So they said, by the way, when they looked over his entire history with the whoop Device Besides this, February 15th through this period, no other times that he's ever had that was the device disconnected from the phone for a significant duration. That wouldn't just be like a Bluetooth hiccup or something?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

In other words, the only gaps in the device were those that they identified as having occurred on February 14th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, all the same, corresponding with the same exact times that a man on a bicycle's seen on cameras going up to this house. So then they ask him about the Family Feud joke. What about that, if you're so happy? So the lawyer said, quote, it's a game show. It's a silly answer to a silly question on a silly show. Doesn't make one a murderer standing in front of a man in a silly suit. The whole thing's silly.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, but sometimes people say truthful shit. And many a joke is, what is that? Many a jest is truth. I don't know.

[James Petregallo]

Every joke. There's a nugget of truth in there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's why it's funny. It's funny.

[James Petregallo]

Exactly.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's true.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, or it's got to be completely not true. And then it's Absurd at that point, but either way, that's what you got to do.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, and maybe just Freud would have a field day with this whole thing is the point. Maybe he just blurted some shit out that he really meant and it happened to fit.

[James Petregallo]

Happened to be bad luck. Who knows? March 23rd, 2023, he's arrested finally. So a month later it takes them to arrest him. The prosecution here is pointing out that on the day of the murder, hours before anyone except her killer knew she was dead, Tim brought a little tykes basketball hoop over to his father's house.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Little tykes hoop? Because he's got a five year old. Yeah. So think about that. Those kids have not been allowed to go over there and see him unsupervised. But now that day, that morning, he's bringing a hoop over like the kids.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Come over, now you're gonna see these kids.

[James Petregallo]

So the prosecutor said he's doing that because he knows Becky's not gonna be a problem anymore. Becky didn't want those boys around. And in Tim's mind, that problem was solved. Because Becky was dead.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

When Tim was arrested, he was ordered held without bond. He had a right to a speedy trial. As we all know from the Lori Valo thing, if you press for that, you're gonna get a trial a lot quicker. And you don't. But you're also not gonna have a lot of time to mount evidence either. So to prepare for a defense. So that meant the prosecutors would be required to try the case within 90 days of the arrest, which is really quick. The prosecutor said we are going to be ready come hell or high water. And that close to that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Miss.

[James Petregallo]

It's so weird. So yeah. Oh shit, never mind. I guess come hell. We didn't realize it was raining so hard outside. So the prosecutor also said juries expect a confession. They expect that. DNA evidence says that it's 1 in 500 million. We're gonna have to show them that's not what we have here. It's true. Lawyers used to be like if they didn't have an eyewitness back in the day, they wouldn't convict. Whereas an eyewitness is the worst evidence possible. You couldn't have a worse evidence than an eyewitness. But that used to be a thing. Now they want DNA evidence, they want someone on camera murdering someone or else they don't trust it. You can get data that you were going 24 miles an hour in fucking reverse in your car. And the people are like, I don't know, I didn't see it on camera.

[Jimmy Wisman]

The body's not exactly where the car said it did that. I don't know, man.

[James Petregallo]

That's what happens. So it's weird. So anyway, he's arrested and they expect a confession. Now he's gonna do a 48 hours interview. That's where his. All of his quotes came from. And he insists he's innocent. Dude, he said, I'm innocent. I didn't kill Becky.

[Jimmy Wisman]

If it weren't for this goddamn whoop.

[James Petregallo]

This fucking whoop. Why did I need to be so fit? Why.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why does it need to be named such an appropriate fucking thing and be accurate?

[James Petregallo]

Whoops. You fucked up and murdered someone. Now you're caught, asshole. Shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What an idiot.

[James Petregallo]

God damn it. So his attorney continues defending him in public. This is for the prosecutor said, and in the defendant's house. This is on 48 hours. We found stacks of Aldi bags. He had fired through an Aldi bag, either in an attempt to muffle the sound or to catch the shell casings.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, both, probably.

[James Petregallo]

The prosecutor said in that process, DNA was left behind on a piece of plastic. And that was the one where it's more likely Tim than nobody else. But that's not really. No jury's gonna take that as anything. Also, Tim could not be excluded from DNA that was found under Becky's fingernails as well.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

But they said that could have been one of her kids, too, because they have his DNA. It's. They said it's the male contributor to that. So. They said that was three times more likely to have come from the defendant or a male relative from the lineage of the defendant, which is his kids who live with her. Yeah, exactly. Three exactly. So. Wow. The. The lawyer. His lawyer says this case is dripping with reasonable doubt. Casey Schnack is this lady's name, and she's got the hugest balls I've heard of anybody here. She says the evidence is far from definitive. This is her. They said, why does he have all these Aldi bags? And finding the Aldi bags by there, she said, quote, everyone in town has Aldi bags that they're hoarding.

[Jimmy Wisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

What? Why does everyone live in an apartment and have a dog otherwise? They're not fucking hoarding these bags.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

What kind of hot item are these? Aldi plastic shopping bags.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Are they that thick and are they that target bags?

[James Petregallo]

Like, they're thick and nice. Target's got those good ones.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Seven sheets of paper.

[James Petregallo]

Thick. They're so thick. They're great, man. Yeah. Nothing any other. You go to Walmart and Buy something. It's all broken and ripped out by the time you get to your car.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Put a Target bag over somebody's fucking head. They're not gonna be able to tear a hole in that.

[James Petregallo]

They're going down. They couldn't chew their way through that. They're going down. Holy shit. So they said, yeah, everyone in town has Aldi bags that they're hoarding. They could have come from Becky's house.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Or anybody else's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

There weren't a fucking stack of them in her house.

[James Petregallo]

And they said, with DNA from him?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And she said, well, because they transferred stuff back and forth for the boys in Aldi bags. Oh, dirty clothes you bring. And that's okay.

[Jimmy Wisman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

They said there was DNA found under Becky's fingernails. And his lawyer said, yeah, and it was just as likely to be Tim's as any one of the boys. So what are we talking about here? So he's charged with two counts of first degree murder and one count of home invasion.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, yeah. Cause it's not his home anymore.

[James Petregallo]

It's not his home anymore. So the trial starts, and this is amazing. Prosecutor Joshua Jones has a beef with the judge. A pre. Beef with the judge. Well, the judge has a beef with him, I should say, in January of 2022. So, you know, year and a half before this, Joshua Jones, the prosecutor, was in this judge's courtroom when he took the bench. Before any case was called, the judge made the following statements in open court to the prosecutor. Quote, Mr. Jones, you may leave the courtroom. Mr. Jones, you may leave the courtroom. I don't get on social media, but my wife does, and she saw the thumbs up you gave to people attacking me. I can't be fair with you. Get out.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Get out.

[James Petregallo]

You're not trying this case because I can't be fair with you because I want to punch you in the dick right now. So that's fucking amazing. That's hilarious. They ordered him out as when as he was still sitting at the council table, a bailiff came up and said, you gotta go. I'm gonna fucking drag your ass out. So he said. The prosecutor said he wasn't sure to which social media post he was referring. He noted that there'd been several social media posts about a case leading up to that day. And one post was from a victim's advocacy group that made a post on Facebook that said, hold rapists accountable, because he felt like holding rapists accountable was part of his job as a prosecutor. He liked the post. How about you don't need to be on social media. You don't need to do that about that.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I mean, that one seems like. I mean, what a bold stance to take, you know? I mean, like, yeah, who the fuck doesn't want to do that? That's.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean. Oh, like that? Yeah. Oh, wow.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'm on a dog pile on this shit. You're dumb.

[James Petregallo]

So anyway, they got him back. They get him in the same room, and they ended up getting an apology out of the prosecutor, and they accepted it. And then they tried. Started trying cases before him again. So this is the same prosecutor and judge that we're dealing with in this case.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

So here are the opening statements here, a bit from them. The prosecutor says the last minutes of Becky Bleif Nick's life were not in the arms of her children. Jesus Christ. He said Becky had texted a family member saying if anything happened to her, it was Tim. Tim told Becky she would not get his money as the two were going through a divorce. And he also said all the bullets were fired from the same gun, Describing the last moments of Becky's life in his opening statement, saying the defendant looked down at Becky and he pointed a gun at her and he pulled the trigger. Said shell casings were found near her body. There's numerous objections from the defense, by the way, during the opening, which. That's a strategy that some lawyers don't like to object during statements because it makes you look like you're trying to shut the other person up and not let them get their point out. And juries don't like that. But if it's going beyond the scope of. If you're fucking your client more because they're saying shit that's not in evidence or something, then you gotta. So it got to be so many objections that the lawyers and judge had to go have a sidebar and chambers to talk about it, the prosecutor said. Before stepping into the chambers, the prosecutor said 27 shell casings were also found in Tim's basement. He said they matched the type of casings found near the body. The prosecutor also says that Tim's Internet search history includes how to use a crowbar, how to make a homemade silencer, police response times, how to open window from the outside using a crowbar, and how to wash gunpowder from your hands. Yeah, basically basic fucking murder walkthrough. I'm looking for. You know, you look for video game walkthroughs on YouTube. He's looking for a murder walkthrough.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, I'm always looking for cheat Codes for yeah, Blitz, NFL Blitz or something.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. For your arcade thing. Yeah. How do I. Yeah, I'm sitting here in red, dead. How do I get into that world without having to go through the whole thing? Oh, I gotta go up to the mountain and stand there. If you stand there while they shoot at you and arrest you, then it's okay, and you go to the other world.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Big up in Blackwater. Are. Same thing.

[James Petregallo]

Same shit. Same shit. Fucking code for contra. For unlimited lives. Same thing. So the prosecutor says Tim climbed onto the second story of the home, busted through the window using a crowbar, and shot her 14 times, leaving her terrified, bleeding and alone, saying that leading up to the murder, about a week before, a person seen in video riding a bicycle from the direction of the defendant's house to the direction of the victim's house laid out evidence of the whoop and everything else, saying that that points directly to Tim. Starting out with odd pieces of Aldi bags. They told the jury they found stacks of Aldi bags during the search of his home, and he said he had fired through an Aldi bag. Either an attempt to muffle or to catch the shell casings. The prosecutor said she showed weakness to a predator. And that's what predators do. When they see weakness, they attack. And they said that also explains the point of entry and upstairs window and one of the kids bedrooms. The prosecutor said, if you're a random intruder, why do you go to the second floor window? You go past not just one window, but three windows that are possible entrance points.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Go to the sleepiest one. Yep.

[James Petregallo]

You just happen to get lucky that it's a little boy's room and that he's not there that night.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow. You have to know that.

[James Petregallo]

You have to know that. Exactly. So the defense attorney here, Casey Schneck, begins her opening statement here. And she said, listen, this case is, quote, dripping with reasonable doubt.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Why did they always do it?

[James Petregallo]

Dripping like blood or jizz or other things that makes you think of this.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Woman died with not a drop in her. Why would she say it?

[James Petregallo]

How many episodes? It's like every episode, pretty much. They do it. They can't help it. I don't know what it is. They can't help it, man. And he said they also. She went on to say, just because they were going through a contentious divorce, that doesn't mean that he killed her. Lots of people go through contentious divorces. They said that. I discount all this evidence, saying that the expert's opinion concerning the shell casings is, quote, subject to human error. Well, I mean, everything is subject to human error. They're saying ballistics match. That's subject to human error.

[Jimmy Wisman]

If you fuck it up, you fuck it up and then, yeah, then it matches something else.

[James Petregallo]

Which at that point, it's your job to bring in an expert to say it doesn't match, that you can't just go, well, you could be wrong. Right? I mean, that's not a defense. She suggests also to the jury that everyone in town has stacks of Aldi grocery bags in their house. That's not incriminating. So if you have a few people who don't have several hundred plastic shopping bags in their house, they're like, we all have stacks of these things. What are you talking about?

[Jimmy Wisman]

I wonder if Aldi made this the reason that they don't have. Because you have to bring back the one by my house. At least you have to bring your own bags. And you have to pay a quarter for their fucking cartoon. And then bring it back and then.

[James Petregallo]

You get the quarterback. New York, that's all the grocery stores with the quarter. And here, they don't do plastic bags at all here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

The only one in Arizona that does it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, only like little convenience stores do plastic bags here because they're not supposed to. I don't think it's legal. So, yeah, everybody else does paper. People bring their own bag. They sell the, like, insulated bags too. You could get. I choose to believe that all the.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Shopping places just don't want to be tied to a murder anymore.

[James Petregallo]

I think so. I think that's gotta be what it is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's why whoops aren't for sale anymore.

[James Petregallo]

Are they off the market?

[Jimmy Wisman]

You can't buy it on Amazon. It's unavailable.

[James Petregallo]

Interesting. So she also pointed out that the bike that was found doesn't have Tim's DNA on it. And she says prosecutors can't even say for sure whether that bike that was found is the same bike from the videos. Nevermind a bike that Tim was on. You can't even put him on the bike. And you can't even say from the videos that bikes even is.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Maybe she said, bags on his hands. We don't know.

[James Petregallo]

You never know. It's on his head. Maybe she said that it's not Tim in the videos. She told the jury, you can't tell who's on the bike from the videos. She said the evidence will show, will not show beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the murder. She said there's a lack of physical evidence, no murder weapon, no bloody clothing. And while Police seized multiple pairs of Tim shoes. They were unable to match them to a partial shoe print found at the scene. They said they took every pair of athletic shoes that they thought would be a match, and they didn't find any that were a suitable match. She points out that Tim's DNA was not on the patio chair as well. She said nothing on that was connected to Tim. They took every pair of gloves from his car house, and they could not find. None of those had anything linking him to this crime. She says she believed investigators should have given more weight to the idea that it could have been an intruder who killed Pecky in a break in gone wrong. She points out that investigators never found shoes to match the partial shoe print, which he could have thrown out. I mean, that's. I mean, what are we.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That seems like something. You didn't have to Google how to.

[James Petregallo]

Dispose shoes in garbage or a lagoon.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Thanks. Google.

[James Petregallo]

Thanks. She said, you can't say without with a reasonable degree of certainty that any. That he is on any. The person on any of those videos is him. All you see is a bike without reflectors. So what the fuck? Investigators should have given other weight to the other shit. She also pointed out that there's no date or time as to when those searches on his phone were conducted. She said they could have been done after the murder, which. Why the fuck would you search that shit after a murder? That makes no sense. She said his DNA wasn't found on the bike, and we don't even know that the bike. We don't even know that the bike that was found is the same bike in the video. And we don't know if it was him on the bike. So who knows? Becky's sister Sarah testifies here. She said that Becky often posted on Facebook about her sons. The prosecution asked about texts from September 2021. And that's the if something ever happens to me text that she gets to read out loud. And Sarah's all choked up about all this shit. The defense asked her when's the last time she saw Tim. She said she hadn't seen him since 2019 years. So three years before the murder even happened. She lived in New York, too. She didn't live around here. She said she's never witnessed Tim and Becky fight. And when she talked to her mom Feb. 23, she said her mom didn't know anything aside from the fact that Becky died. She. Yeah, she said that she did not forward the text messages to her parents or police before Becky was killed. That wasn't the point of the text message, it was because the defense tried to say, well, if you were so concerned, why didn't you send these texts to your parents or the police?

[Jimmy Wisman]

I wasn't concerned. She was concerned.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, she was concerned. And it was six months later. So by then I thought maybe the concern had waned.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And she did take them to the police. She did go to the police, and they told her there's nothing they could do about it.

[James Petregallo]

Well, Becky did.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[James Petregallo]

They're talking about the text that Becky sent Sarah saying, if anything happens to me, it's Tim. They're saying, sarah before the murder. Why didn't you go to the police with that? Because it's not your responsibility.

[Jimmy Wisman]

It's Becky's that doesn't do anything.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You're telling me. Well, then tell her to come in with evidence.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, tell her to stop on by. So then they get Ted Johnson on there, and he said that she was looking forward to being alone. He talks about texts on February 14 and that he spent the night at her house. And he parked behind her house near the driveway. They said, did you and Becky have sex that night? And he replied, yes. They said that on February 23, Becky's sister messaged Johnson to ask him to call. She broke the news about Becky's death. He said he was not exclusively dating Becky, but he wasn't having sex with anyone else. He testified he was holding a bag for Becky in a safe. He said he didn't know what was in it. And when the defense asked him if he knew, if he knew $13,000 was in the bag, he said that he didn't have a key to Becky. Becky's house, and he doesn't know. He said that the day before Becky was killed, he didn't go to Becky's house. He said the night she was murdered, he doesn't recall if he left the house before. He said he had gone to a friend's house that night. So the defense really jumps on that as, oh, he doesn't know where he was. So then they get the crime scene people here and they testify that gunshot residue can be washed off with soap and water. And they said, it doesn't take much, does it? And they said, nope, not at all. They said, and it be after about six hours, it becomes less likely to be able to test for it anyway, just because it's wiping on other things. They said that as your sweat will get it off. And they said that they found how to wash gunpowder from your hands in a Search history. A pair of gloves they found. They said the gloves were not tested for gunshot residue. More photos of gloves were shown in court. One pair was seen tossed in a. A trash can. They seized these gloves on March 1st, and they said that too much time had passed from when the gloves were collected from the murder until now, from the murder, to have it tested. Also, prosecutors tell the jury that police found this crowbar in Tim's basement. Then they call an expert to the stand who testifies that she compared it to the tool marks left on the window that was pried open at Becky's house. They're microscopic consistencies. But she couldn't say with scientific certainty that the crowbar made those marks. It's not a bullet. It's not. There's no ballistics here. So the defense here, they. When asked about this later on, they say when the defense had its turn to call witnesses, it chose to call none. And they asked his lawyer, you could have brought in your own expert to say those things didn't match.

[Jimmy Wisman]

They're going to rest on what the fucking state, dude, that is great evidence.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. They're just going to go, well, we felt they didn't prove anything. Huh.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Well, you got 12.

[James Petregallo]

We proved a lot here.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Your whoop tells them everything.

[James Petregallo]

So they said, why didn't you bring your own expert in? And the defense attorney says, hmm, I guess we could have, but we were strapped on time and funds.

[Jimmy Wisman]

We couldn't afford it.

[James Petregallo]

So they said, you've got a man's life on the line. And the defense attorney said, mm. And he didn't want us to do that. He didn't want you to put on a defense. I don't think he did. I doubt that. So they might have told him what it costs. Who knows? So during closing now, before they rested the case, they said they dropped the spent shell casings bomb on the jury there. And an expert testified that they determined that they were all fired from the same gun that killed Becky. That's not good. So the prosecutor says each time each firearm leaves its own fingerprint on every shell casing that it fires. It was the same gun that killed Becky, that fired these shell casings that were found around in Tim's residence. The defense said, that's the expert's opinion. At the end of the day, it's subject to human error like anything else. Okay.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

They said, now, additionally, the elephant in the room, the Google searches, the state did not tell you when those were done, that they cannot tell you when those searches were done. And they Cannot tell you who did those searches. If those searches took place before Becky's death, I would admit it should be considered by you for whatever that's worth. But they can't tell you that. Nobody can tell you that. And you're not allowed to guess. If these searches took place after Becky's death and then the searches, then the searches should indicate there's nothing more than the defendant looking into the investigation like half the town did. Well, half the town has garbage, has Aldi bags. And they all looked into this case as evidence real intricately. And following the investigation as the news allowed us to follow the evidence. But they can't tell us when those searches were done. And it's not my job to tell you or prove to you when they were done. These searches indicate nothing more than somebody looking on the Internet. I think it's for murder. Shit. That's what. Yes, you need the second half of the sentence for murder. Shit. She then gets said. I think it's logical to do even if something like this were to happen to your family. But the state wants you, each and every one of you, to speculate. And the state wants each and every one of you to guess when those searches took place. All right, Prosecution's got a rebuttal. And it's funny. The defense says maybe the searches were done after Becky was found murdered. One of the things about this trial that's been complained about is how tight lipped we've been. Information has not been released to the public. And that's true too. They were releasing it like unsealing shit, like real gradually. They said if he was searching for this information after Becky was murdered, how did he know that a crowbar was used? He just got lucky and guessed.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

He said nobody knew that crowbar was used that wasn't released to the public. That's big. They said nobody knew that a window was used that wasn't released to the public. Nobody knew that the neighbors didn't hear shots, that an improvised silencer might have been used that wasn't released to the public. None of those things that were released to the public. But they all appeared on his phone.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah, he's searching all those facts.

[James Petregallo]

All the things we didn't tell anybody about. And wow. They also said, the last point I will make is this. And it goes to the searches on his cell phone. The defense says maybe the searches were done after Becky was found murdered. One of the things about this trial that's been complained about is how tight lipped we've been. And that's that part. Okay, so interesting there. So, yeah, it all appeared on his phone. Now, the verdict here, after all that five hours of deliberation, it's pretty quick, right? That's pretty quick. But it's not first vote quick.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Maybe it is, maybe it's not first vote. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Unless they had to go over stuff because sometimes you'll get like with the Lori Valo thing, it only took a couple hours because Laurie had asked them to watch the full interrogation video and said, you'll get. So they sat and watched the full interrogation video. That was most of the time they were deliberating, was just that they were like, oh, there's nothing else on there that we didn't see. Okay, yeah, guilty.

[Jimmy Wisman]

We got it. We nailed it.

[James Petregallo]

So five hours of deliberation, they find him guilty of all charges.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Got him.

[James Petregallo]

Got him. When the jury began deliberating, they took a vote and there was a Not guilty.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Someone voted not. Someone needed to be talked into this for five hours. What? Unbelievable. Someone really wanted to kill his wife someday. And he's like, look, what the hell? I wear a Fitbit and hate my wife. We can't convict this guy, right?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Wow. So during sentencing, they bring in the victim impact statements and Becky's sister said, and Tim orchestrated the worst possible horror for my father. It wasn't enough for him to murder my father's daughter. He had to have him find her and let that be the image and the last thing that he had of her. Yeah, the father found her. It's horrible. They said, your children's future will forever be impacted by your crime. They're already suffering. Maybe you should have googled childhood PTSD in between your Internet searches for homemade silencers and VIN numbers. Boom. That's a good fucking. That's a good victim impact statement there. The brother in law. This is that Sarah's husband said that. Did you think about 12 year old? I won't use his name because they're all still minors. They've had enough fucking problems. Nobody needs their names out there. Did you think about 12 year old blank as you broke through his window? Did you think about 10 year old blank as you charged down his hallway chasing his defenseless mommy en route to slaughter his entire World on August 23? On August 11, 2023, I asked this court to show the same mercy he showed Becky when he left her alone on that cold bathroom floor, paralyzed from the waist down, unable to breathe because a bullet had pierced her lung.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Mike drunk.

[James Petregallo]

The defense comes in and says, listen, you should Consider his behavior prior to the murder.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

What are we talking about here? She said he's got a college education, full time employment, financial stability, and a clean criminal record before making one bad decision that shows that he had to go extra far out of his way to get there. Then that makes him worse.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

If he's a guy who's like, had a horrible life and no education, been in and out of prison, I go, that's not a far jump for him. I get it. But this is like, you really had to want a murder to do this.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And like, this the. The way it was done. If the. If you've never done anything ever, and this is the first thing you're doing. This is so crazy.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. You've been storing this up in your whole life and you're fucking. You're going to this in the freezer.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Your own children's lives. Crime one. What the fuck?

[James Petregallo]

So the defense attorney said, the judge of the court, which is the judge, cannot ignore the things that Tim has done in his life that were positive. Great. Well, the judge had an option of sentencing him to anywhere between 45 years in prison and life in prison without parole anywhere in there.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

So the judge says, Mr. Bleifnik, you researched this murder. You planned this murder. You broke into her house. And he actually said this. You shot her. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 times he said loud. Yeah, he went through it to show how many that is, how long that is. And cruel that is. Some of the.

[Jimmy Wisman]

And another that you missed. You piece of shit.

[James Petregallo]

You piece. You loser. Some of those shots were fired while she was laying on the ground, lying on the ground. And you did all of that while your children were upstairs at your house lying snug in their beds. The court believes that the only appropriate sentence is you, sir. Yeah, May fuck off. Life in prison, no parole, 14 times. All the dicks. Yeah. Eat them all, motherfucker. That is a lot. So any. I think, yeah. This is some cold, calculated shit. This isn't heat of the moment. No, this is argument. I mean, obviously. Yeah. He gets in an argument that he shoots or whatever. I mean, that's horrible. He can't do that, obviously. And he should go to prison for 40 years or something, but maybe that's not life without parole, but this shit is calculated and disturbing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You can't leave your kids at home and go kill the person you're in a contentious divorce with. In that. I mean, in that a week before.

[James Petregallo]

Your fucking trial, too. Your divorce trial.

[Jimmy Wisman]

14 fucking shots. You emptied a gun into a woman.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So the prosecutor said they got to tell the Becky's mother about this, about the sentence, and said it was the best feeling in the world. It was probably as great a feeling as when you. When the verdict came down because she just said, oh, that's such good news. Thank you. And she was laughing with joy. She was so happy. And she just said, thank you, thank you, thank you. Now I can go tell the rest of the family I'm going to call them.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

So he does sit down for the 48 Hours interview. It was about a month after his conviction, right before sentencing is when he did it. And they asked him, did you ever imagine you'd be here? Yeah. And he said, no. No, never. At times it's felt like I'm watching somebody else's life from the outside, like it can't be me. He said that the only thing I can do right now is what we are doing, filing an appeal. I have to. I have to believe the process because if not emotional. And they said, tell me what you're thinking right now. And he said, my kids, I just want them to know that I love them and I miss them and I'm innocent. I didn't kill Becky.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Dudes, you can't say this.

[James Petregallo]

Even your lawyer was like, I mean, you know, he did one bad thing. So the sister, this is Becky's sister Sarah. Said he called my dad to set him up to find her. That alone shows how cruel he really is. As agonizing as our pain is, I want him to understand that his worst crime was against his own children. By the way, the sons live with Becky's parents, who are in the process of legally adopting them because he's life without. So he's done. October 2024. He wanted a new trial. New trial. He's here. The three reasons the court admitted evidence that was irrelevant or not otherwise admissible under the forfeiture by wrongdoing doctrine. Which means that if someone attempts to stop a witness from testifying via wrongdoings, the court can still use the witnesses statement or evidence, even if it wouldn't be allowed normally. The state argued that the testimony contained enough facts to be relevant, citing the example of the victim changing the locks and Tim searching on the Internet for how to open a bar, how to bar, open a door or window. So they also cited the example of not returning the victim's gun, therefore had an opportunity to commit the crime with that gun.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Done.

[James Petregallo]

Reason two. The prosecutor was allowed to make Representations to the jury during rebuttal, argument that were not admitted into evidence or subject to cross examination. When you do a rebuttal, you know how there's prosecution does the closing defense then does a closing after that and then the prosecution comes back with a rebuttal. The things they say can only be a rebuttal to what the defense just said. You can't put new shit out there now. Yeah, it has to be a rebuttal to what they said. Same thing when you see a re direct examination or a recross like that. It has to be on what the other lawyer just questioned them about. It can't just be like new shit. You can't save some shit for later and then pop up with it.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This is Lori Valo's whole fucking argument. You present a case, they present a case and then. Or they present a case, I present a case and then they get to rebut it. It's just not fair.

[James Petregallo]

Then they get to rebut it. It's not fair. Okay. Unbelievable. So also reason three is that the case should have been tried before a different judge who had no relation to the prosecutor trying the case. Now this is stupid because the prosecutor and the judge didn't get along. It's not like they were brothers. They didn't get along. Just because there was an apology and accepted apology doesn't mean that there was no acrimony between them. That's crazy. They said a case this important should not be tried or should be tried by a judge. Judge whose career is not resting in the hands of the prosecutor trying the case. Because prosecutor was testifying against this guy in a judicial review case. Who cares? Also, hearsay following statements by Becky were allowed in. Yes, I absolutely worry he will try to take the kids sometime. Especially if he gets awarded the custody I want, he will be pissed and do whatever he feels like doing. Talking about a friend of hers being murdered, saying that make all this crap up and blame it on me. What else is he willing to do if he'll do that? Saying I told my lawyer I either want an order of protection for myself and the kids, or at least make a statement in court about what he did. So it's on record, quote, I'm never wanting to. I'm wanting to never have my children around them alone ever again. Meaning his family. It's gotten to the point where I hate even going to work for fear he will secretly take off with the kids and I won't see him for a long time. I don't think an order of protection will be issued because they'll say his violent outbursts births haven't been egregious enough. It's a fucking nightmare. That's a whole statement on its own. And then these texts to her sister, if something ever happens to me. So in response here, the appellate court ruled, just as with the forfeiture by wrongdoing doctor and defendant, success in silencing Becky should not be rewarded by his use of her own privilege to frustrate this truth seeking process looking into her death. If someone's going to say a bunch of bad shit that would incriminate you, you can't just kill them. And then they're not allowed to say that they can take those statements because you killed them to shut them up. So they said it is true. Becky may have had specific information. She preferred to remain confidential under ordinary circumstances. But a murder trial is not an ordinary circumstance. And the jury has been made privy to the most intimate aspects of Becky's life. Denied. Fuck off back to prison, asshole. They have started a GoFundMe. Yeah, for the kids, for memorial. For a memorial for her and the support fund for the kids here. They said that she leaves behind three young children and an entire community who loved her more than anything. She always envisioned herself working hands on in the medical profession. So talk about all this. They said, we're thankful to everyone who's offered prayers and support. The family seems like nice people. They don't seem like. They seem like Becky comes from a real nice family of real nice normal people. And they didn't want some scumbag killing their fucking family member. That's all. None of these people are. They don't seem wacky or crazy at all. They all seem pretty much on the level. And meanwhile, you got this guy who's a murderer we know of and his dad, who may or may not only like to molest young girls, allegedly.

[Jimmy Wisman]

So the other interesting part is that like she. She clearly had some sort of gut feeling about his behavior. She didn't have any proof, but she was just like, I know what I know.

[James Petregallo]

I know what I know him for 15 years.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This man's fucking dangerous.

[James Petregallo]

Yes, I knew him for 15 years and I know him. And nobody listened to her. It's fucking sad. The GoFundMe raised $130,666 out of the $250,000 goal. This is 1.2 thousand people have donated already. So I think the family feud thing helped because we got a little hook for it. Poor Becky is buried at Calvary Cemetery in Quincy, Illinois. So her hometown. So there you go, everybody. That's Quincy, Illinois, and just a giant asshole. Tim's an asshole. If you're gonna be one of those guys who's not a criminal or anything like that, don't be a murderer. And then if you're gonna be a murderer, don't do it that way. It's just disgusting. Ew is right. Kill her. What is wrong with you?

[Jimmy Wisman]

So you're not. You're not a murderer, man. Don't murder. If you murder, you're gonna be a murderer. But there's bad ones.

[James Petregallo]

And then people will call you a murderer. Yeah. And this lady didn't deserve. She didn't deserve to be murdered. There's just no. She did nothing. Except he filed for fucking divorce. She didn't even file for divorce.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You're on your way out, man. It's almost done.

[James Petregallo]

I want out of this. He's. She said, let's get counseling. And he's like, I gotta kill her. Like, what the fuck are you doing? He must have been having an affair or something, but that never came up. I would assume they would have found that, but I don't know what her. What his fucking problem is. But either way, there you go, everybody. If you like that, get on whatever app you're on and give us five stars. It helps tremendously. Really, really does. Helps drive us up the charts. So please do that. Head over to shut upandgivememurder.com get your tickets for live shows, especially Chicago Riviera, May 17. Get your asses in there. The Night before in St. Louis is sold out. So if you want to see us that weekend, go there. Also get your tickets for the rest of the year because a lot of them are selling out. Like Philly and D.C. get those for December because they're selling out. They're selling fast. Like Seattle the night before in Portland's already sold out. So get your tickets, get in there. Get your dab tickets. We can't wait to see everybody. Shut up and give me. Murder.com is where you do that. You also can follow on social media at Smalltown, Murder on Instagram at Smalltown Pot on Facebook. You can do that and you can get Patreon. That's the way to really hang with the show here. Patreon.com CrimeInSports P A T R E O N.com CrimeInSports Anybody $5 a month or above, you're going to get a huge catalog of back bonus episodes. Hundreds of episodes. You've never Heard before that you're going to love. You'll get immediately to binge on upon subscription. Then you get new ones every other week. One crime and sports. One small town murderer. You get it all. Everybody this week, which you're gonna get for crime and sports. We're gonna talk about college coach sex scandals. Soon as they walk on campus instantly horny. And then for small town murder, some death row last meals. Non real famous ones. We did some famous ones the first time. We're gonna do some non famous ones just because it's fascinating the psychology of what you watch as your last meal. So there's all of that. That's patreon.com crime and sports. You're gonna get those. And you're gonna get a shout out right fucking now. Jimmy, hit me with the names of the people who would never ever, ever disconnect their whoops to come murder us. Hit me with them right fucking now.

[Jimmy Wisman]

This executive producers are Alexandra Armstrong, Gary Howard, Peyton Meadows, Joey Morrissey and Sammy the Judgmental potato. Whatever that is. That. That's fantastic.

[James Petregallo]

Everybody. We appreciate the out of you. Thank you so much.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Other producers this week are. Brianna Bird. She got her masters in psychology. I found out because her friend Cassie told me.

[James Petregallo]

Holy.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I didn't. I don't keep track of that.

[James Petregallo]

You don't keep track of people's educational.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Yeah. Achievements. No, not me.

[James Petregallo]

Okay.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Eli Covington, Janice Hill. Trina Gager. I think. Or maybe Gager. Maybe Gagger. I hope it's Gager. Foxy T. Oh, no, it's just Foxy Fox. Tea. Kurt Keeter. Josh Perkins. Jen Young. Hannah Dixon. Jill Silva. Catherine the sass. I think it's sass hole. I doubt it's sash hole. Right? I don't know.

[James Petregallo]

Probably Sasshole makes more sense.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Probably. Erica Beaker. Liz Avery. Jody wants us to participate. Participate in the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. So we may have to look into that. It's. It's all the way in Edinburgh, James.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it's a little far.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Alex. Alexa. Alexa. Alexa Fenters.

[James Petregallo]

That's for people trying to get their name out there. We're fine.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Heather R. Samantha Quinn. I. Craminger.

[James Petregallo]

Oh.

[Jimmy Wisman]

William o' Connor. Derek Glaha. Donald Rump. What the shit in Christ? Jane Ring. Lex Garrett. What is this CF myself mouth? Is that. Are you trying to get me to say myself something? What is that?

[James Petregallo]

What are you trying to. What are you trying to get me to say now?

[Jimmy Wisman]

Sarah Gilbert. Probably not that one. I don't mind.

[James Petregallo]

No.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Kimberly Ola and Amy Hansen Wood. Lisa Holton. Gentry with no last name. Lisa Ballou. Matt Kirk. Kayla Ross. Joanna Jacobson. Tammy Maraquin. Kevin Boggs. The second hands. Hans Hansen. No way. Tito Perry. M, Vi or V? Maybe. I don't know. V? Y is Vi usually right? Tiffany with no last name. Randy Wagoner. I got to talk myself through it. Connie Davis. Ashley Clark. Kcb. Michael Walker. James Pearl. Drew Roberts. Charlotte Hummel. Kim Mize? Or me. Say, maybe. Laura De Archangelo. Rachel Croft. Kila Keela. H. Keela. Cassandra Archibald. Cali Needhammer. Nighthammer. I don't know. Michael Panetta. Liz. Daniel. Liz? Danielle. Maybe it's just Daniel. Lindsey Nyland. Diane Hazen. Chris Rumer. Chris Rumer. Webster. You got two, obviously.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Is one guy, two patrons. You're the best.

[James Petregallo]

You are the shit.

[Jimmy Wisman]

You're really overachieving. Shane Nugent. Concord with no last name. MDI 69. Patty Cakes. Melissa Williams. Joel Ceja. Or, yeah, it's Ceha. Matthew Smith. James Hodge. Randy Gallop. ALICIA Maderos. TANKER Tom 68. Scott Williams. Probably not that one. Renee Bhutan. What? William Ashworth. Jennifer Locklear. Jennifer Barnes. Riley Smith. Alexandra. Glenn Burrows. Danny Hill. Pamela McLean. Richard Amos. Kat. Herbert Meyer. Herbert Meyer. That's a brutal name. Ashley Pagano can do that as Samantha Glatfelter. Kenny Barrett. Christine.

[James Petregallo]

Gool.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Key. God damn it. Elizabeth Joan. Cheryl Moore. Kyra Wheaton. Jill with no last name. Lord Gavatron. Jake with no last name. Danielle with no last name. Nick Crop. Nope, that's Corp. Jonathan Kowalski. Craig Machin. Machin. Melissa Ream. Angie Slater. Mike Kelly. Alex Esquivel. Alex Hondroyu. No last name. Sherry. Bhutan. I said that. Is that a different Bhutan?

[James Petregallo]

Wow. More Bhutan's.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Jesus Christ.

[James Petregallo]

My Bhutan.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I'll just say Kevin Patterote. Bethany with no last name. Ty Lazard. Happy Toby. Pq. Pete Sanok. Gab. Gaby. Or Gabby with no last name. Joker with no last name. Joe Morrissey. Donated both ways. Thank you, Joe.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Ashley Garrett. Catherine Godfrey. Catherine. Duane Barb with no last name. All Star Cleaning Solutions. They're in shape in South Carolina. That's the easiest way to get an advertisement for your business, I suppose. Happy Commercials. Nikki with no last name. Bill H. Casey Merrill.

[James Petregallo]

Bob Loblob and his law. What? Bob Loblog.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Bob Loblaw.

[James Petregallo]

Bob Loblaw's law blog. Arrested Development. It's an arrest development joke.

[Jimmy Wisman]

That's what it is. I was like, that's gotta be from something.

[James Petregallo]

Funniest thing.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Diane with no last name. And Lishka with no last name. Amber Lynn. No last name, just Cody. El Diablo Blanco. Toxico. I think that's the toxic White Devil, right?

[James Petregallo]

I think so.

[Jimmy Wisman]

I don't know. Rebecca Hurley, Maggie or. Yeah, Maggie Hennessy, Dana Nicole. Blah. What? Bickford.

[James Petregallo]

I think it's what it's pronounced.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Nicole Putin, Jennifer Redman, George with no last name. William Dunn Pills Rachel with no last name. Michaela Brownlee, Kelly Cruel Rob with no last name. I'm going to just put Bhutan if they don't have.

[James Petregallo]

We used to do horror, remember?

[Jimmy Wisman]

That was the same Carrie Robertson, Kristen Montanaro, Deb Martinez, Veronese Pouton, Paul Pouton, Sierra Tragdon, Sam Pouton, Cherry Blonde, Barbara Baylor, DJ Pouton, Amber Puckett, Joseph Kane, Gabby Bailey, Aaron Anselmo, Robert Vieira, Samantha Clifford, Carly Carroll, Carrie Waff. Maybe Hugh G. Rexon James.

[James Petregallo]

Wow.

[Jimmy Wisman]

Probably somebody's name. JFK was no scoped. I don't know what that means. Was not scoped. It wasn't. He's dead. So it did happen. Kylie 2016 Quentin Williams Wildflower, Allison MacArthur, Kevin Sconard. Sconard. Joanne Putin, Karen Cizek, Vicky Orvin, Richard Jalinen. What is this? Mackenzie Kidwell, Kathy Falk, Bird Pouton, Akilah Bailey, Ashley S. Miranda Pouton, Megan Garmin, Erica Espinoza and all of our Poutons. You're fantastic.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you so much everybody for all that you do for us, you beautiful, beautiful sons of bitches. We love you from the bottom of our hearts. Thank you for everything and just thank you, thank you, thank you. And if you'll follow us on social media, do that drop down menu shutupgivemurder.com until next week everybody, it's been our pleasure. Foreign if you like small town murder, you can listen early and ad free now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen early and ad free on Amazon Music. Before you go, tell us about yourself by filling out a short [e-mail] survey Lamont Jones's World is shattered when his cousin dies in custody just weeks after entering prison. The official report says natural causes but bruises and missing teeth tell a different story. From Wondery comes Death County, Pennsylvania chilling true story of corruption and cover ups that begins as one man's search for answers but soon reveals a disturbing pattern. Lamont's cousin's death is just one of many and powerful forces are working to keep the truth buried. With never before heard interviews and shocking revelations, Death County, Pa. Pulls back the curtain on one of America's darkest institutional secrets. This isn't just another true crime story. It's happening right now. Follow Death County PA on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of Death County PA early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus.