Brutality At The Beach - Seaside, Oregon

Summary

Small Town Murder Podcast: "Brutality At The Beach – Seaside, Oregon" Released July 9, 2026 | Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, James and Jimmie take their trademark blend of deep-dive research and sardonic true crime humor to the touristy Pacific Northwest beach town of Seaside, Oregon, unraveling a chilling double homicide committed on the sand. The episode delves into the lives of the victims, the troubled perpetrators, and a manhunt that spanned the U.S. and Mexico, all while dissecting the oddities, economic woes, and local quirks of Seaside itself.

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Table of Contents

1. Town Profile: Seaside, Oregon (08:13–24:48)
2. The Murders: July 14, 1997 (24:51–29:30)
3. The Victims: Brooke Goza & Casey Nims (29:46–57:28)
4. Investigation & Manhunt (58:11–137:53)
5. Suspect Profiles: Bradley Price & Jesse McAllister (76:25–109:11)
6. The Crime: What Actually Happened (144:35–164:24)
7. Trials, Sentencing & Aftermath (166:26–193:44)
8. Standout Quotes & Moments
9. Timestamps for Key Segments

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1. Town Profile: Seaside, Oregon (08:13–24:48)

Key Points:

• Seaside is a small (pop. ~7,000), aging beach/tourist town near the northwest tip of Oregon.
• High property crime (almost 3x national average) due to tourism: “Tourists are easy marks, which attract criminals.” (13:28)
• Pronounced income disparity: Median home price $465k, median household income ~$41k. Most jobs are low-wage, seasonal, dependent on tourism.
• Rain is relentless: “Nearly eight feet of rain per year is too much.” (14:46)
• Quirky local events: Seaside Sand Festival—“Sounds like I’m going to be itchy” (21:45)—and historical footnotes, e.g., salt-boiling by Lewis & Clark.
• The hosts riff on brutal Yelp reviews; some locals lambast the town as “overrun and trashed by tourists,” crime-ridden, and full of “flox of drug addicts.” (13:07)
• “Property crime? Dumb people doing dumb shit when they’re drunk on vacation in the middle of the night.” (24:41)

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2. The Murders: July 14, 1997 (24:51–29:30)

Key Points:

• 5:00 AM: Tourists find a man and woman dead, face-up on the sand near 6th Ave—each shot execution-style in the head at close range. No sign of a struggle, robbery, or defensive wounds.
• Local police quickly rule it an “isolated incident,” i.e., don’t let it stop tourism: “We believe that everyone should still go out and spend money.” (27:38)
• Witnesses recall two young men (one blond, one brunette); encounter at a beach campfire felt menacing.
• Footprints and shell casings found, but sand’s fleeting nature complicates the evidence.
• Victims identified as [Gabriela “Brooke” Goza, 26] and [Frank “Casey” Nims, 36].

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3. The Victims: Brooke Goza & Casey Nims (29:46–57:28)

Brooke Goza (29:46–44:56)

• 26, aspiring artist, mother of two, from a prominent family (“Dr. Larry” her father). Struggling to turn her life around—recently moved out on her own, worked as a cook, “read her own poems” to strangers (39:18) and sang at local open mics.
• Had dropped out of high school to marry (unclear if marriage happened), had two kids young, left them with grandparents while settling in Seaside.
• Described as outgoing, trusting, “part of the fabric” at Sam’s Seaside Café.

Casey Nims (44:56–57:28)

• 36, divorced father of two, rough-and-tumble outdoorsman, “worked hard and played hard,” per brother Don (48:09).
• Survived a brutal random attack by teens; had prior drug and assault convictions but was said to be “doing better” lately.
• Known as a defender of others, possibly intervened if threatened.
• Fiancé named Bonnie; mystery over what he was doing with a much younger woman on the beach at 4 AM.

Notable Quote:

“It doesn’t make them bad people being awake at 4am. Because if it was, I’d be a terrible person.” – Don Nims, Casey’s brother (53:54)

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4. Investigation & Manhunt (58:11–137:53)

• Evidence: Unusual 9mm Calico shell casings (50-round magazine), specific shoe treads, Camel cigarette butts, and grainy security cam footage—plus suspects’ behavior on the beach, threatening bonfire witnesses.
• Police wasted the critical first 36 hours detaining the wrong two “petty criminals” based on town gossip and security cam grain (“completely wasted...not great” (61:53)).
• Meanwhile, the real suspects (Price & McAllister) were phoning friends, openly confessing—bragging, “for the hell of it.” (71:17)
• Witness reconstruction: The suspects tried to intimidate and “challenge” multiple groups late at night.
• Manhunt: The teens disappeared in a junker ’77 Impala, headed south. Their car later found abandoned in Baja, Mexico. Manhunt stretched for over a year: FBI, private investigators, America’s Most Wanted, even a psychic—“No leads.”
• Commerce-first attitude: “The important part: everyone, the beach is still safe... Go down there and spend all your money.” (122:12)
• Reward money struggled to break $13,000, despite town panic.
• One suspect (McAllister) eventually arrested sneaking across the Texas border; the other (Price) picked up partying at a nightclub in Mexico City.

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5. Suspect Profiles: Bradley Price & Jesse McAllister (76:25–109:11)

Bradley Charles Price (“Brad”) (76:25–89:10)

• 22, former “all-American” jock, child of privilege, strong student, went to U Oregon—faded into a troubled, directionless life, “drank Robitussin to get high,” “follower.”
• Family/sister disputes: Mother—“never even raised his voice,” but sister accuses him of violence, threatening her baby, and a fascination with “shooting someone in the head.”
• Minor record: underage drinking, littering.

Jesse Carl McAllister (89:24–109:11)

• 19, dropout, violent, chronic brawler, dropout from alternative “Bridges” school, already a convicted felon (burglary, assorted assaults).
• “Power tripper,” “temperamental,” “wanted to be a hitman.” Prone to random violence, wanted deadly thrills.
• Worked as a cook at Moby’s Seafood.

Their Dynamic:

• Moved in together in ’96, became obsessively close.
• Inspired by the movie/book “In Cold Blood”: “rented it four times in the month before the murders” (112:08). McAllister wanted desperately to kill someone; Price bought the illegal 9mm Calico for him (“a follower”).
• “He needs someone to follow, and in February 96, he found a friend to follow...A 19-year-old.” (89:10)

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6. The Crime: What Actually Happened (144:35–164:24)

• In the early hours after local bars closed and their TV broke, the pair decide—“let’s go out and look for someone to kill.” (145:14)
• First try to murder a group of three teens at a bonfire, but Price (passive) and McAllister (aggressive, taunting with “notion” of violence) debate; the group senses danger and leaves. “[McAllister] kept persisting about the motion, the notion...almost like we weren’t even there” – Witness Carrie Ann Barkey (151:07)
• Next encounter Casey and Brooke, who ask if they have any weed. Claiming yes, they lure the duo away under a pretense.
• At a deserted swing set, McAllister pulls the gun. Brooke tries to fight back—charges and kicks him in the chest. Gun jams on first attempt; as she falls, Casey tries to help her.
• Price, by his own later admission, helps keep Brooke down while McAllister clears the jam, kills Casey, and then executes Brooke. Price is nudged aside to allow the shot.
• Their only motive: “for the hell of it,” inspired by thrill killer fantasies.
• Immediately after, they stop at a convenience store (with a friend working) and, bragging, call acquaintances to boast about the killings and prep a run for Mexico.

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7. Trials, Sentencing & Aftermath (166:26–193:44)

McAllister (Primary Shooter)

• Pleads guilty to two counts of aggravated murder to avoid death penalty (per Mexican extradition deal, and possible family aid/abet charges): “No parole, no appeals, two consecutive life sentences.”
• Victims’ families deliver emotional impact statements; daughter Tasha’s speech is particularly moving (169:04).

Price (Accomplice)

• Takes his chances with a bench trial; claims he was a bystander trying to “talk McAllister out of it,” but evidence and witness statements contradict him (he bought the gun, actively participated, fled the country).
• Judge finds him guilty: Two life sentences, with possibility of parole after 30 years (eligible 2029).
• After trial, the mothers of the accused and victim—who had sat together in mutual empathy—fall out due to Price’s mother’s unshakable belief in his innocence (185:01).

In Prison

• McAllister exhibits ongoing violence—stabbing fellow inmates, attempted escape via crawling through ceiling (“like a desperate gerbil” (189:19)).
• Both seek clemency years later; as of episode airing, both are still incarcerated, with Price the only one eligible for release in the foreseeable future.

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8. Standout Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We make fun of murderers because fuck them. Who cares?” (07:20, James)
• “Nearly eight feet of rain per year is too much.” (14:46, Review)
• “Tourists are easy marks, which attract criminals.” (13:28, James)
• “If you got a palate of that [salt], it would cost more to ship it than it would to buy it.” (18:01, James)
• “You are guilty until, if you’ve been on this beach, until we clear you.” (28:37, James)
• “You would be pregnant 100 times by now. Cause I would too. So I don’t fucking think you wouldn’t.” (45:23, James, on men hypothetically getting pregnant)
• “He worked hard and played hard. He didn’t let a day go by that he didn’t do something exciting. He was a true Oregonian.” (48:15, Don Nims on Casey)
• “I kind of think he did it.” (95:40, McAllister’s former schoolmate)
• “He was constantly getting in fights...they would say ‘You just don’t understand the testosterone.” (93:22, McAllister’s friend)
• “He drank Robitussin to get high.” (88:47, James quoting police)
• “Juries are going to think how scary that is, that it’s random and like, that’s very scary.” (172:05, James on Price’s choice for a bench trial)
• “I knew I wasn’t going to be heroic and try to take the gun away from him, and I knew he wasn’t going to listen to me, but I really didn't believe he would kill anyone.” (180:49, Price’s testimony)

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9. Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 08:13 – 24:48 | Seaside, OR intro/history/town profile | | 24:51 – 29:30 | Discovery of bodies; initial police and witness info | | 29:46 – 57:28 | Victim deep dives: Brooke & Casey | | 58:11 – 137:53 | Investigation, manhunt, America’s Most Wanted, capture| | 76:25 – 109:11 | Suspect bios: Price & McAllister | | 144:35 – 164:24 | What Actually Happened (Crime narrative) | | 166:26 – 193:44 | Trial, sentencing, aftermath |

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Summary & Takeaway

This episode expertly weaves together the tragic randomness of the crime, the pathology of thrill killers influenced by media, community reactions, and the economic and cultural backdrop of a tourist-dependent beach town. The hosts manage both sensitivity and irreverence, never mocking the victims or their families, but skewering the absurdities of the American justice system, small-town dynamics, and the dangerous intersection of youthful alienation and violent fantasy.

Bottom Line:
A senseless, motiveless double murder in a sleepy coastal town, prompted largely by the perpetrators’ fixation on a movie and a desire to experience killing, leaves families and a whole community forever scarred. The episode is a cautionary tale about societal neglect, the unpredictable danger of marginalized, alienated youth, and the lasting devastation wrought by impulsive violence.

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Transcript

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Now back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm Jimmy Wissman.

[James Pietragallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another absolutely crazy edition of Small Town Murder. We try to never let you down, but certainly gotta got to have the extra crazy ones and this is one of them. Just a wild story of senseless depravity. It's crazy stuff. Can't wait to get into it. Before we get into that though, definitely head over to shutupandgivememurder.com where you can find first of all, all the merch that you ever could want. Anything. If you go, hey, that's pretty funny, it's probably on a T shirt, so check that out. Or a hat or a coffee cup or a doormat or skateboard or whatever you want it on. Get your tickets to Small Town Murder live shows though. That is the important thing. We have September 18th at the Pabst in Milwaukee. Not a ton of tickets left for that. So if you want to go see that, definitely get those now. Next night, September 19th at the State Theater in Minneapolis will also be there. So get your tickets right now. Those are the next two live shows. And then in October we have Dallas, San Jose Sacramento and in November, Tarrytown in Boston and then the holidays. So get your tickets now. Shut up and givememurder.com while you're listening to this show. Also, maybe check out the other two shows.

[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Why is that?

[James Pietragallo]

Because we're assholes. But we're not scumbags. See, that's how that works. It's real nice. It's real clean and easy. There's plenty other stuff to make fun of. Some small town. We're all from some town that deserves to be made fun of. Who cares? We make fun of murderers because fuck them. Who cares? Let them have it. So that's the type of thing we make fun of and it's a good time. So if you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, I don't know. You might not like the show, but you probably will. Either way, no complaining later. Let's just say that with that said, I think it's time, everybody, to sit back. What do you say? Here, clear the lungs. Here we go. Arms to the sky and let's all shout out, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah, let's do it. We're going to Oregon.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's always a good time.

[James Pietragallo]

We like Oregon. Oregon's cool. They got water there. It's nice. We're going to Seaside, Oregon, which, shocker, is by the sea, near the ocean. It is beside the sea. Seaside, it's far Northwestern Oregon, all the way up there. It's about an hour and a half to Portland, about 3 1/2 hours to Seattle and about 5 hours and 10 minutes to Grants Pass, Oregon, which was our last Oregon case. Episode number 670, that was the Cult of the Naked Truth, which was crazy episode for an express there. This is in Clatsop County. Clatsop, I believe, is how you say that. C, L, A, T, S, O P. Clatsop. That sounds right. Clatsop. Something like that. Area code 503 and 971. Can't hold these people with one area code. Little bit of history of this town here. The Clatsop were a Native American tribe that lived here. That's where that comes from. Here, it's the coast. So obviously indigenous people are where things are like fish and things like that. So a lot of stuff. Big indigenous spot by rivers. So about On January 1, 1806, a group of men from the Lewis and Clark expedition built a salt making thing here at the site. Okay. Which basically they do seawater and make salt. This is what turned into the town of Seaside was the salt works. Basically, yeah. Lewis and Clark reached the Pacific Ocean. They set up camp north of Seaside by the mouth of the Columbia river, and then a few of the members traveled south to set up a salt works where ocean water could be boiled to harvest the salt. They needed the salt because there's no other way to cure meat back then. So you could either eat it before it gets bad or you can salt it and save it for later.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

So the city was not incorporated until 1899, when the Coastal resort area started being settled. They said, okay, we got to start collecting some taxes and, you know, you need to set up an infrastructure. If you have tourists, you have to have roads and all that kind of thing. So there was a real estate developer who donated land to the city of seaside for its 1 1/2 mile long promenade, or prom, as they call it there. Going to the prom, they all say. Along Pacific BEACH in the 20s through the 40s, it was a big stop for musicians on the west coast because it was a little tourist town. It was like playing the Catskills in the East Coast.

[Jimmy Wissman]

20s through the 40s, huh?

[James Pietragallo]

20s through the 40s, Duke Ellington and Glenn Miller and all those type of people came through here. There was a riot in 1962 during the summer. A concert was supposed to happen and it got canceled and the teenagers went fucking batshit. They went crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

If there's anything I know about teenagers, they hate when you tell them no

[James Pietragallo]

music, no concert, when they're jacked up for it. Paul Revere and the Raiders were supposed to be there. God, God, no. And they didn't make it. So then a fist fight near the Times Theater between two teenagers escalated. It started with a fist fight between two teenagers, okay? The police got involved, basically because they're all drunk and pissed off and, you know, looking for something. So the police tried to intervene in this, and that sparked the crowd to get involved. And the next thing you know, the fire department was hosing down the crowd with their hoses, which didn't stop them. Instead, people cut the hoses, they stole fire truck keys, they stole fire trucks. Eventually, the National Guard and state police had to come to quell a bunch of drunk teenagers who were mad that Paul Revere and the Raiders weren't coming to town.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No. But I got a fire truck.

[James Pietragallo]

Holy shit. Just going, I'm running the horn, everybody. Isn't that fun?

[Jimmy Wissman]

I know Paul Revere and the Raiders, but I can't name a goddamn song.

[James Pietragallo]

No, I don't remember any of them either. And I know a lot of old shit like that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I know they're very, very popular. I'm. I've heard probably. I'm sure I've heard an entire album

[James Pietragallo]

pre Beatles shit right before.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Just didn't stick.

[James Pietragallo]

Nope. Reviews of this town. Five stars. And we probably know like 10 of their songs.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You do? Absolutely.

[James Pietragallo]

100% every word to them. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's just not.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, they're standard.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Who wrote it?

[James Pietragallo]

Five stars. Seaside is a lovely town. We truly enjoy living here. You can ride bikes everywhere, go to the rec center, enjoy many different restaurants, hang out at the beach garden, go to the movies, walk the boardwalk, and on and on.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You know, live stuff like an Oregon lifestyle.

[James Pietragallo]

You can eat food and watch TV and sit down and walk around sometimes if you want, maybe make some popcorn, you know, whatever. You just do what you want. Three stars. It's a very sad small town. No, it has not gotten any better in the past few years. And I don't feel like it will change now. Crime seems to only get worse. If you are considering moving to Seaside, I recommend any of the nearby beach towns. Sure, they all have their flaws, but they still have some character left. Seaside, Oregon is good for visiting only. And this is a tourist spot, so you're gonna get crime. I mean, there's not a tourist spot on earth where crime doesn't happen. Tourists are easy marks which attract criminals.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And that's how that works also when it's a tourist town. If you go there as a tourist, you can break the law and get the fuck out.

[James Pietragallo]

Exactly. So there's a lot of public urination and dumb shit like that, fingering each other on the beach, whatever the hell the deal is. Three stars. It's a small with not much to do. Overall is really good for sunsets and pretty good for seafood food.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Pretty good for it.

[James Pietragallo]

Seafood food.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Not bad. I mean, right in the middle.

[James Pietragallo]

Sunsets are nice on the Pacific Ocean. Really? That's weird. Two stars. The job market fluctuates a lot in Seaside because it is based in tourism. This causes a lot of problems with stability in jobs. Absolutely. Most jobs in Seaside won't provide much work in the winter. That's kind of how it goes. And then finally, one star. Wow. Horrible crime. You can't leave your house without seeing flocks of drug addicts, flocks of Them I appreciate. I'd rather call them a herd or a murder. Wouldn't you? A flock. I don't know if a flock is appropriate. Something like that. Yeah. Drug addicts. Nor take a nature walk without seeing vagrant camps full of dirty used needles and stolen goods from local neighborhoods. Crime rates are higher than the city. Cost of living is outrageous compared to wages and compounds the crime and drug problems. Nearly eight feet of rain per year is too much. Plus completely overrun and trashed by tourists in the summer.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Eight feet.

[James Pietragallo]

This is the Pacific Northwest. It's the far northwestern Oregon. So I mean this is every storm that comes. Yeah, it's eight feet. It's a lot. You're getting a lot of rain here. People in this town, 7,058. So not a huge town. That's the kind of year round number. Way more women than men. 55.4% women. Which is way out of whack for a town of 7,000. That's a lot. I don't think I've ever seen it that high. Over 200 people. You know, median age here. They're older, 51.2.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

This is like we're going to retire by the beach type of shit here. It's only 42% married. None of that. It's not really a suburbs, wife and kids in the yard type of shit. There race in this town, 85% white, 1.2% black, 1% Asian, which is low for the Pacific Northwest. 8.4% Hispanic. And then the religion here, 27.7% religious. Which I agree. If you have the ocean, you don't need that. You're just like, I'm going to go to the beach on Sunday instead. I feel like.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But that might convince you that something else exists. If it's that fucking beautiful. How the fuck could this just be a cool thing?

[James Pietragallo]

That's the opposite for me. I start looking into the science of

[Jimmy Wissman]

it in the moment.

[James Pietragallo]

Incredible.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Somebody's got to feel that way, right?

[James Pietragallo]

Probably. Yeah. Yeah. People look at majestic things and they go. Someone had to create that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. They go, it's too pretty. It's like a picture someone must have.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. There's no way this is just a coincidence.

[James Pietragallo]

Tons of people think that that's fine. Think whatever.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I just go, I don't need anything else. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Just go, this is great. Take whatever you want. I don't give a shit. Doesn't bother me. 27.7. And it's mainly like other Christian faith. It's all kind of spread around the religion's a hodgepodge. 0.0% Jewish. Though unemployment rate in this town, little bit high, which seems odd for a town with a lot of tourism at least. There's a lot of shit jobs. I know. I don't know if they're any good. Median household income here now, rest of the country, it's almost $70,000. Here it is $41,488.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really?

[James Pietragallo]

So pretty damn low. Now, I don't know if some of that is the fact that you have older people, maybe some Social Security income people mixed with people that work at a souvenir shop who sells T shirts and shit. So cost of living here, though. 100 is regular. Average. Here it's 107, which is so. It's high.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Incredibly high compared to what the income is. Are they still doing the salting?

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no. I mean, there might be some kind. I don't know if they. Yeah, I don't think they do that here. It's probably more profitable to put a motel up instead.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Probably. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

A thing of salt that's like this big is like 49 cents. I don't understand how salt is a business. I really don't.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That, like, exotic pink Himalayan shit, is that cheap?

[James Pietragallo]

It's still cheap. It's still cheap. That's different. I'm talking your regular iodized Morton's paper card thing that's not quite cardboard that it comes in. It's like 49 cents for 8 pounds of it. How the fuck is anybody.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The lady with the umbrella. They cost nothing.

[James Pietragallo]

Cost nothing. And I don't understand how just to ship that heavy. A pallet of that would be so heavy. It would cost something to ship more

[Jimmy Wissman]

than $0.50 by weight alone at the. At the post office. It costs more to ship than it does to purchase.

[James Pietragallo]

And you have one of those for like seven years also. It's not like you're buying them every two weeks. You're spending another 50 cents. It's. Everybody spends like, you know, like a dollar fifty every decade on salt, basically. It doesn't make sense.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, if you get the. I get the kosher, the thicker stuff just because it melts better into foods and stuff, even that's so cheap compared to how much. How long it takes to get rid

[James Pietragallo]

of how much you have. Yeah. Median home cost here. This is wild. $465,300. Wow. So median income 41,000 home costs 465. I don't understand. If you live broken. Well, if you're living here Doing tourist jobs and shit. You're screwed. Yeah, you're scraping by. So if we've convinced you, damn it. Seaside's the place to go. We have for you the Seaside, Oregon real estate. Average two bedroom rental here goes for twelve thirty dollars. So that is actually below the national average. With the housing high, it's like 1290.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

Almost 13. Here is the first house. It's a trailer. Don't get too excited here. Not bad on the inside though. Laminate or wood floors that look, look decent. It's clean in there. It looks nice and well maintained. 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1440 square feet. It is a double wide. You can see it's got the two windows up front here it is built in 1975. This is 69,999 bucks. Okay, not bad. Just had a. Yeah, it's. There's no square footage on the. There's no lot size. So that means you don't own it. $16,000 price cut. They just had on that too. So get in there everybody. Deal. Smoking. Deal. Here is a three bedroom, one bath, 1560 square foot house. Nice house. Got some brick on it. Pretty decent. Built in 1968. $270,000. Okay. That's kind of your average entry level house. And for 270, which isn't too, too bad. Then we have. And a lot of times the housing prices are driven up by the real expensive houses. That's how the median gets driven up. But it's not a lot of those. Here's a four bedroom, four bath T bowl for each and every B hole, everybody. 4,100 square feet right on the ocean beaches. Your backyard. Built in 1940 on a third of an acre. It's a nice house, very well done inside too. $2,600,000 for no land.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's the water.

[James Pietragallo]

It's the water. You're on the ocean, the beach and everything else. So I mean, if you want to live on the water, it's going to cost you. That's it. I guess things to do here. Well, go to the beach, dip shit. That's one thing to do the promenade thing and all the stuff there. So that's a big deal. And then there is the seaside sand festival.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sand fest.

[James Pietragallo]

Sand fest. Which sounds terrible. Sounds like I'm gonna be itchy. It says join us here. Featuring master level sculptors, advanced amateur sculptors, instructors, vendors and a one of a kind beach experience in Seaside. Basically this is crazy sandcastles that they built which are pretty interesting. I mean I see those and I go, wow. That took a lot of time. Doesn't see more of it and then I leave.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm very happy for you to have made that 11,000 foot long mermaid.

[James Pietragallo]

But it's like making an ice sculpture. Though it is temporary, it is not gonna last.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And also, how'd you carve out that much time?

[James Pietragallo]

Well, yeah, who says I'd like my art to be extremely fleeting? I'd like to make it and then just have it disappear after a minute. That's what I'd like. Etch of sketch art is what I'm looking for.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Water doesn't get it. Have you seen the Sphinx? Have you heard of it? Yeah, it's pretty fucked up.

[James Pietragallo]

And this is just sand. This isn't. They haven't baked anything. Yeah, there's nothing here. The master sculptors will hold a contest, September 17th through 20th. Advanced amateurs will be a different date. It says after years of busking and offering lessons. In other words, after years of bothering people on the beach, is what he said. This person. You want me to teach you how to build a sandcastle? No, fuckhead, I'm on vacation. Leave me alone. Yeah, I have a little rake thing that I bought for $4 at that store. Burt Adams hosted yet another beach and sand sculpture event. After four years of growth. This was a couple years ago. Seaside Sand Fest offers a week of watching professional sand sculptors do their thing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

Is that what you want to do? Watch sand sculptors do their thing?

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm impressed. When they can get the sand to stand up, it's pretty impressive. Like Poseidon with this fucking thing.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, yeah, Wet it down.

[Jimmy Wissman]

A little thing. The Trident. That's pretty impressive.

[James Pietragallo]

It is crime rate in this town, what we are interested in here. It is high property crime again. A beach tourist town.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sure.

[James Pietragallo]

Almost three times the national average of property.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

That's theft. That's, you know, public urination.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Highest we've ever heard of.

[James Pietragallo]

Drunkenness. Nah, we've heard more than that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Three times.

[James Pietragallo]

We've heard worse than three times. Yeah, I think. But that's a lot though. I mean, that's outrageous. Like I said, pick any beach tourist town. That's what it's going to be. It's just what it is. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime. Slightly above average, but not too bad. So that's in the normal range. So I think this is mainly dumb people doing dumb shit when they're drunk on vacation in the middle of the night. That said, let's talk about some murder here. Here we go. Which wasn't just some dumb people doing some dumb shit in the middle of the night. This was pretty crazy. Let's go back in time to 1997. 1997. So we're pre. Any kind of social media pre. There's cell phones, but they're only for making calls and it's extremely expensive and the battery dies very quickly.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Not a lot of technology that's impressive yet.

[James Pietragallo]

No, I mean, there's the Internet, but nobody has high speed Internet yet. This is still dial up Internet.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Everybody still has those projection TVs with the three fucking bulbs.

[James Pietragallo]

This is the dot com boom at this time. So 5:00am, July 14, 1997. So middle of the summer, middle of the tourist season, 5am there's tourists out for a morning beach stroll. Isn't that nice?

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's what you do.

[James Pietragallo]

Nothing better than taking that morning beach walk. For me, it would be late at night and then I'll go to sleep. But either way, I love a little coffee. However you want to work it. So they're out for a morning beach stroll and they're thinking, ooh, you know, maybe I'll find some shells. Yeah, you know, things like that. Nice things wash up on the beach

[Jimmy Wissman]

at the Fed on last night.

[James Pietragallo]

Message in a bottle maybe. Oh, wouldn't that be romantic? Oh boy. Pirates, booty. They find two people and they think at first, oh, there's people sleeping on the beach. On the beach, on the beach. But they're not. They're found. There's two adults, a man and a woman, lying face up with large bullet holes in their head. Oh, just lying on the beach.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Shot on the beach, though.

[James Pietragallo]

Shot on the beach. So this is definitely. This will ruin your vacation. I would say for sure. This will fuck it all up. Now you gotta go down to the station. How many days do you have there? How much time do you have to spend?

[Jimmy Wissman]

You know, at least one. All day, right?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, they're gonna have to. They were found on the beach near 6th Avenue in the early morning there. Each of the bodies had sustained single close range fatal gunshot wounds to the head, front to the head. So they said that the shots were from a range of 1 to 3ft for the female and not less than 3ft for the male. So that's how it worked. Or I'm sorry, the other way around. Male and female. Okay. The victims were otherwise uninjured. There's no torture, stabbing, or there's no like bruising of beating or anything like that. So they didn't understand it. There's no Weapon at the scene at all. But there are a lot of footprints and they find shell casings there also. And some. Some physical evidence that they could possibly unfortunately too. Footprints in the sand, not good. Pretty fleeting. Again, this is temporary things. You gotta take sandcastles, gotta take your pictures and all that kind of shit. Yeah. Now, the seaside police chief said, we believe this is an isolated incident and we're continuing our investigation at the crime scene. How they pulled that out of their asses, I have no idea.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, it would. What does that.

[James Pietragallo]

They've been there an hour, they're still processing and they're like, we believe that everyone should still go out and spend money is what we're saying. This is an isolated incident. Don't worry about it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There's no rain today, so everything's fine.

[James Pietragallo]

Blue skies, Everything seems fine to me. So among the few leads they can muster up here at first is two men who were at a campfire late that night and going early into the morning, said two other men who were about 19 or 20 years old, not kids, but not really adults type of thing, approached and somehow gave them the impression that they were plotting to kill them. The people at the fire. Two people at the fire. Now the police say anybody who was on that beach at that time is a person of interest. And until we talk to them, they will continue to be persons of interest. So you are guilty until if you've been on this beach, basically until we clear you. Now there are some witnesses, like we said. There is one witness who they said was a blonde man who appeared to be intoxicated and had trouble walking and talked slowly and whose eyes were red, which if they're very intoxicated. That'll do it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Fucked up. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Then there was a brown haired man as well. Out of the two guys they said the 19, 20 year old guys, one blonde, one brown hair. The brown haired man appeared to be normal. They said acting normal wasn't shit faced, not being weird. They said that one of them, the dark haired one, said his name was Jeremy. So they have an unknown drunken blonde man and Jeremy, the brunette is who they're looking for essentially. Which is a needle in a haystack or a needle in a beach sand, either one, however you want to put it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's the second time I've heard of somebody from the Pacific Northwest named Jeremy. So it seems to be a common.

[James Pietragallo]

You gotta watch out for him. Well, this is that Jeremy already took care of his own problems by the time this happened. That Jeremy was all washed out by that Long gone.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He was all over all the other kids.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. So we find out who the victims are first. The victims are first of all. The young lady is Gabriela Brooke Goza. G O z A. She's 26 years old. She goes by Brooke. That's what everybody calls her. Her middle name. She has two kids, we find out. Mother of two. This is very sad. She comes from kind of a prominent family. Her father is a doctor. Dr. Larry. Yeah, Dr. Larry Goza. So she is not trailer trash or anything like that. She comes from a prominent family, 26 years old, mother of two. So they're like, well, this is weird. This isn't great. She is described as a very artistic person. She did a ton of art. She made pictures that people put up in local restaurants and things like that with her art. She quit high school and got married, which is never a good idea. Hey everybody. Just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you a better habit to get into with FUM.

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[Jimmy Wissman]

now back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

She later got a GED from community college there. I think it was Clatsop Community College. And in 1989, she had a daughter named April. In 1993, she has a son. So she's got two kind of little kids. They're 4 and 8 at this point, which are.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This is 97.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, yeah. She had them young. She dropped out of high school to get married, so they started having kids. I guess nowadays she hangs out at the beach a lot and she works as a cook at a restaurant job. So probably not exactly what Dr. Larry had in mind. Her dad.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Certainly letting him down a little bit.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. She told everyone she was trying to earn money toward college, which, I don't know. Her parents weren't paying for it, I guess. She went to Astoria High School originally and attended Clatsop Community College in Astoria for three years. And she wanted to have a teaching degree with a major in art. She wanted to be an art teacher, essentially. So for years she lived in an apartment under her dad's office. There was an apartment under the office, and she lived there with her son and daughter for a time. And then she ended up moving to Seaside in 1997. This was nearby, but not in Seaside, particularly In May of 97, she moves to Seaside, and her dad said so. I mean, this was. Christ, Two months before this happened, she moved to Seaside. She divorced by now. Yes. I don't even know if they ever ended up getting married or not. I'm not sure.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She dropped out to get married, but then may or may not have gotten

[James Pietragallo]

married, may not have followed through with the actual marriage. We're not sure. Her dad, Dr. Larry, said, quote, she moved to Seaside about eight weeks ago and was completely on her own. She was no longer on assistance from the state, and we all felt she was making progress. She's had some troubles here. Everybody in her family felt she was doing good is what the dad said. He said also that his relationship with his daughter improved when she moved to Seaside. She moves to Seaside without the kids, though. The kids stay with Dr. Larry and Mom.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, with Grandma and Grandpa.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, the kids are staying there. She moved to Seaside, and I guess since then they've been getting along better with her not living with them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I guess there was a challenge she faced somewhere, huh?

[James Pietragallo]

Something. Yeah, something's going on here. Her children came to visit her a couple times a week. And she was very close to her children is what her brothers and her mother said. So she was still paying attention to her kids. She didn't just leave and leave them behind. She was a regular at Sam's Seaside Cafe. The owner of the cafe said that she had a very positive outlook on life and very creative. And he was planning on displaying one of her paintings on the wall, but didn't get a chance to before she was killed, basically.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, she painted the children's menu the best.

[James Pietragallo]

That's it. She did one of those maps on the back of it, actually, on the placemat. It was very, very detailed, though.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I do love those family cafes where they. They've got whatever the kid's venue is, and they've just got. They're fucking wallpapered with them. And they're just terrible coloring, awful.

[James Pietragallo]

Kids can't color for shit. We shouldn't encourage them. When they're coloring that poorly, they should go, don't have that shit on the wall. Nice try. I'm proud of you for trying. That's not very good.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Try harder.

[James Pietragallo]

Try harder. Do better. See those lines in the lines? Color in there in those lines. There's a point to this. So he said that, you know, she'll be missed as what the guy said. The owner of the cafe said she loved to hang out and meet people. She was very friendly. And she'd go up to people she didn't know and just talk to them. Okay. Also, what she would do in this, going up and talking to people. That's fine. This part of it is not okay. She would sometimes grab poems out of her backpack and read them to people that she didn't even know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

How you doing? I'm Brooke. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let me read you a poem.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Poetry. I'm out. I got shit to do.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm very late. But you're on vacation. You don't understand.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's getting so cold.

[James Pietragallo]

This is ridiculous right now. My Captain Crunch is getting soggy. I need to go immediately. So she would do that and she wrote her own. These aren't like other people. Let me read you some Wadsworth. She would read her own poems.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She faced a challenge somewhere I'm certain of it.

[James Pietragallo]

Had to have. So her poems, which the restaurant owner described as, quote, life poems. I don't know what that means. He said were part of the whole vibe of the restaurant, basically, was her and her poems. She fit in with the fabric of it. She's only been here for eight weeks, too. This isn't like she's been here for 10 years. He said some regular couples came in and she'd often read poems to them. They must have been good poems to not get kicked out of the restaurant for doing it. They have to be decent, but people go, I don't want any. And then she reads and they go, that actually wasn't too bad. Okay. And then they go back to what they're talking about.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's like Mr. Deeds reading greeting cards, though. It's like people are excited against their will.

[James Pietragallo]

Sit down and listen to my soul fucking come out of my body, please. She also sang at Sam's. Sometimes they had open mic nights and she would join some band that was playing and she would sing. So she likes to hang out and have a good time. On the Friday before she was killed, she was at Sam's singing with some other guitar player that was playing guitar and she was singing. The owner of Sam's said that after Sam's clothes that night, a group of people went to the Beach Club. And he said, she sat with us there until they closed. And he said, during the summer, there's a lot of times when especially the workers of the bars and stuff, they're not ready to go home when the bars close, which is everywhere. No. You just got off work. Yeah, people get off work at 5. They don't go, okay, I'm going to go home and go right to bed. No one does that when they get off work. I don't understand why they expect these people to be different, but.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And then the late shift people, they get their shift drink too, so they're gonna. If we just closed, I still get a shift drink. I'm sitting here until this motherfucker's gone.

[James Pietragallo]

That's it. So they said basically they just go to the beach after all the bars were closed. And they said sometimes they would get some to go beer, and they'd go down to the beach and have a bonfire and, you know, hang out like people do. The guy said she often went down on the beach with people late at night. So to find her on the beach in the morning isn't not rare that she would be at the beach. It's not like what's she doing at the beach in the middle of the night? She hangs out and does stuff when she. She's. I guess, like I said, she's working as a. A cook at a restaurant. One of the jobs she had was at Gregorio's Pizza where she worked as a pizza cook, which is pretty cool. That was until the 4th of July. Then she worked for a short time at Rob's restaurant. And the last night that Sam's guys talked to her, she was excited about a new job she'd be starting at Riley's restaurant.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Great.

[James Pietragallo]

So she's in the course of a month. She's on her third job here. Which restaurants? You kind of have to find the vibe that fits you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. I think that any career that you're in, if you're not actively looking for a better opportunity, then you're going to always stay put. It's never going to get better.

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely. Especially, like I said, a restaurant, sometimes you don't like how it works. You don't like the food, you don't like the cooks you're stuck with or whatever it is. And so you're like, I don't want to be here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And maybe next one's paying a little better.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the other thing too. Maybe it's 11 bucks an hour instead of 10 or whatever back then. So Dr. Larry here, Brooke's father, said that his daughter did have an outlook on life. And the way he put it, she was starting to turn her life around.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay. So she really went hard into having fun for a minute.

[James Pietragallo]

Yes. And her parents were pissed off at her for a while.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Absolutely.

[James Pietragallo]

Her father said this in the newspaper. Quote, I was at odds with her for years because I wanted her to be a better mommy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Not disappointed, furious.

[James Pietragallo]

Pissed off. Yes. And disappointed. Then you have these kids and you leave them with me, and that sucks. You know what I mean? You gotta be more there. He also said that he felt she started to overcome her problems recently and was coming into her own more, which she's 26. A lot of people it takes. Sometimes it takes you till you're 30, 33, to figure out what the hell's going on in your life. And that's the shit part, is if you have kids, you don't have that luxury of figuring yourself out when you're 30. You gotta have your shit together as soon as one pops out of the fucking canal there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And sometimes for girls, it's harder to. To keep that child free lifestyle going because sometimes it's not up to you whether or not.

[James Pietragallo]

They're the ones getting knocked up.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, you don't know until you miss a period.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay, imagine if guys could get knocked up. We would be constantly pregnant. Constantly. We would be a mess. We would be a. Imagine if everybody wanted to fuck us and we could get pregnant. Everything else is still the same, except for some reason every woman wants to fuck us and they can knock us up. We would be. Oh my God. There would be drive through abortion clinics if we had that. Because we. How many abortions have you had this year? Like eight this year. I had about 13 last year. So less wouldn't even.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There would be a liquid to drink

[James Pietragallo]

that would be amazing that you would

[Jimmy Wissman]

mix in your Budweiser. That would fix it.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, it'd be over the counter. You know, it works better with alcohol. It'd be right on the label and you put it. You put it in your beer and drink it. That's how guys would be.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You did it for free when you bought an ar.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, I find it hilarious when guys start to get like moralistic about women and all.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She needs to stuff.

[James Pietragallo]

You would be pregnant 100 times by now. Cause I would too. So I don't fucking think you wouldn't.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, I've helped out when I've made mistakes.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So the other victim, the male victim is Frank Kevin Nims. N, I, M, S. So they both have four letter last names with a Z in them. What are the odds of two people hanging out together, both with four letter last names, both containing a Z? Just math.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nimz.

[James Pietragallo]

Nimz.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Weird.

[James Pietragallo]

Just the mathematical odds of that are crazy. He's 36 years old. He goes by Casey with a kid. K A C, Y. That's what everyone calls him. His dad's name is also Frank, so I think he picked the nickname so there was no confusion.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What's he?

[James Pietragallo]

He's 36. A little bit about him here. He's born and raised in Portland. He spent his teen years in the Milwaukee area. Milwaukee, Oregon, not Wisconsin.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They got one.

[James Pietragallo]

Yes, it's right outside of Portland. I thought we've done a bonus episode there or something. Maybe. Doesn't matter either way. He became a part time seaside resident in his early 20s, says his brother Don, who we'll hear from a lot in this episode. In 1981, he had a son named Kenny, which again, he had a kid very young.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Kenny.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. 16, 20. He had a kid then in 1985, he has a daughter named Tasha. Tasha with an E on the end. So like Tashay almost. But I Think it's Tasha now. He worked at a Portland area cleaner. What is it? Oh, a cleaner, I guess a cleaner filter and computer chip factory he worked at. They made filters and computer chips at this factory.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's got to be a cleaner filter for your computer chip.

[James Pietragallo]

I don't know. How often does that need to be cleaned? It's inside software.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I don't know. Software that, like, clears out, like, your cookies or some shit. You know what I mean?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. No, I think this is like physical filters. If you're making air conditioning filters. Yeah. He would always. When it would be slow there and there wasn't a lot of work, he would go to the coast to do commercial fishing, which is a crazy job. Now, according to his brother Don. His brother Don's a dentist and has a dental practice in Milwaukee.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Look at this. They both got doctors in the family.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Don said of Casey, quote, he was a heck of a fisherman. Oh, Casey loved the outdoors. He'd spend his free time hunting, fishing, skiing, riding motorcycles, camping.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, he's a fucking wolf.

[James Pietragallo]

He's a party, this guy. Yeah. This is hilarious. Don says something right out of a deodorant commercial. Quote, he worked hard and played hard. He didn't let a day go by that he didn't do something exciting. He was a true Oregonian.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's an Old Spice man.

[James Pietragallo]

This is hilarious. Yeah, he's a speed stick kind of a fella. So. Although Casey has a couple of problems with the law that we'll talk about as well, his brother said he was a kind person. He said he met people and made friends at the drop of a hat. We'll find out why he also. We'll find out why he also makes friends like that, too. That's why these two are hanging out together. They're both easygoing. He said that any rough times he'd been going through seemed to be over. The brother said. He said he'd been doing a lot better the last couple of years. So we have two people who seem to be doing better than they were before now.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Two parents.

[James Pietragallo]

Two parents each with two children, each with a boy and a girl, as a matter of fact. Now, August 10, 1994, he had some trouble. And this isn't him getting in trouble. This is some trouble finding him. He was. Apparently, it was about 1am and he was bicycling home, this is in Seaside. And he decided to stop near 10th Avenue and near the river to have a cigarette. To stop and have a cigarette. A pickup truck full of kids, teenagers, pulled up and jumped him. Basically. They all jumped out of the truck and beat the shit out of him. Wow. They beat him severely. They kicked him in the head more than 20 times. They took his wallet and his bicycle and just basically left him bleeding in the BlackBerry bushes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What the fuck?

[James Pietragallo]

No reason. There's a bunch of asshole teenagers decided to roll a guy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Why would you do that?

[James Pietragallo]

It makes no sense to me either. I don't get it. They were later caught after attacking another bicyclist. So they were just going around. Whoever they found, they were just attacking people. So he survived the attack obviously. Casey. But he was in serious condition in the hospital for a while. He was not in good shape. His criminal record got a couple of things going on too. He has convictions for assault and drug dealing. Casey does. He was released from the Oregon State correctional institution in 1991 after serving two years of a ten year drug conviction sentence.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's a hefty one.

[James Pietragallo]

That's a hefty one. That means you've gotten busted a couple of times and you were selling. So that's what's going on. And they're saying now he hasn't been doing that lately. He hasn't been selling drugs. He's been doing better and working jobs and whatever. So two people with apparently pasts checkered a little are hanging out together. But nice people that everybody likes and not add around. Not people that hurt people or anything like that. But Kayce's brother said he heard the reports that there was people making that the possible perpetrators here of this murder were making threatening remarks to a bunch of people on the beach that morning. And brother Don said if any of them had said anything menacing within Kayce's earshot he likely would have stood up and said bullshit. So he's saying my brother would have said go fuck yourself and told these kids where to go. Which it sounds like he would have probably.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. I mean especially if a guy got beat up by a bunch of kids, a couple of kids making some less than 20 of them. We're gonna have some words.

[James Pietragallo]

But he said he doesn't seem afraid, which he might be a little flinchy of any kind of teenagers if you've been pummeled by them in the past. There's a bunch of people around town saying well they shouldn't have been out on the beach that late then because we find out from where they were that basically they were out on the beach at like 4am so they were found within an hour of this killing. But they said that people were saying well, they shouldn't be out there that late. You're asking for trouble if you're sitting on a Beach at 4am with your friend Godzilla.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is that where the trouble is?

[James Pietragallo]

That's where the trouble is, apparently.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I didn't know.

[James Pietragallo]

Weird, right? I didn't realize it either. How dare you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I thought the beach was like the happiest flood.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no, no. You get away from there or you deserve to be hurt.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Soon as the sun goes down, you gotta get the fuck off the beach.

[James Pietragallo]

Sit in your house like a respectable person. You fucking bum. What are you doing? Enjoying the beach. And the weather here? Bullshit. Waiting for the sun to rise. Fuck you crazy? By the way, Casey has a fiance named. I believe her name is Bonnie. Also at this point I can't remember. We'll find out her name in a minute. But he has a fiance. So what the hell's he doing with some chick out on the beach at 4:00am?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, Bonnie would love to know.

[James Pietragallo]

I don't know about you, but I've been engaged before. And if you come home and go and they say what were you doing? I'm just hanging out with my friend at the beach at 4am who's she? Oh, this chick. 10 years younger than me. It's no big deal. You're probably gonna get a talking too far.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I mean the first question is gonna be who's he? And then, then when you say a chick 10 years younger than me, 4am on the beach. Pack your shit, man.

[James Pietragallo]

You're in trouble.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Take this ring back.

[James Pietragallo]

At minimum, Don is super pissed off that people are mad that they were on the beach at 4am and blaming them for it. The brother Don, he's like, fuck that. He said, quote, it doesn't make sense or it doesn't make them bad people being awake at 4:00am True, true. Because if it was, then I would be a terrible person.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You're a fucking monster.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm a monster.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Finally go to bed when the sun goes down. James.

[James Pietragallo]

Someone needs to stop me before I can't be stopped anymore. I can't stop myself is the problem. Or do a lot of murdering. He also resents the assumptions that the murder was a result of a drug deal gone bad. Because people are saying that because his brother Casey had a. He was arrested for it once a history. Now the investigators confirmed that the murders do not appear drug related at all. Now Don, the brother wonders whether the murder was actually a result of Kayce defending someone else. He said he didn't hurt anyone unless he was backed Into a corner. Maybe the murderer said something to Brooke, okay. And he said, hey, leave her the. That's what he thinks.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right, that makes more sense. Because in my head right now, that makes sense. There has to be. Then where the fuck are the people he was defending? I guess if she's right there.

[James Pietragallo]

All right. Yeah. A bunch of Casey's friends said that they didn't even realize because they call him Casey. And the news said, frank.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Frank. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

They didn't even fucking know it was him for a while. It was dead. It took a few days of people going, no, it's that guy. And they were like, oh, shit, his name is Frank. They had no idea, essentially. So when the media came looking for a reaction from family members, Don said it was really tough to talk about it. He said if Cayce had gone down with a boat fishing, it would have been difficult to accept, but it would have been easier than knowing he was murdered. He said that would have been an act of God, which maybe if there was a typhoon, you could call it that. But other than that, it would be an act of probably somebody's negligence. Negligence or just. Yeah, being piss poor at their job or laziness or something, or a shitty boat that malfunctioned.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But they're thinking there's a more. Just an act of God still.

[James Pietragallo]

You probably didn't do all your checks then at that point, you know what I mean? So somebody fucked something up at that point. Now, Dr. Larry here, Brooke's dad, said, my kids were my whole life when we were a family that did everything together. After the. The death of Brooke here, he said his family had a picnic and he took pieces of Brooke's artwork to give to family members. And he said everyone snagged up her art. Casey's son Kenny, who was 16 at this point, also lived in Seaside, works on the same fishing boat his dad did. He's 16 working on a fucking fishing boat already.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Wow, he's okay. Yep. He said he's bracing well, is what Don said about the kid. He's quote, bracing up well. He's all right. Those fishermen are pretty weathered. They can take a lot.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Fascinating choice of words too.

[James Pietragallo]

They're pretty leathery. Yeah, he's bracing up well. Some Oregon shit there. It's gotta be some kind of nautical term for something battening down the hatches and shit. It's to do with a mast, I believe, in a storm. Bracing up good. Yeah. Now, Don said he was impressed when Casey's 12 year old daughter, Tasha, or Tashay or however it's pronounced. Not trying to disrespect there, I'm just not sure how to say it. Who lives with her mother in Oregon City, actually spoke at her father's funeral. So, dad, Casey's funeral. She spoke and everything. Which is insane for a kid to do. That's very brave. And the saddest thing you'll ever see in your life.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Don said now that he's absorbed it all, he said, I'm going from sad to mad. And he said, I would like to see whoever did this captured. He said, people don't realize that what they do affects a lot of people. It kind of makes you a little bitter.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

If they kill your brother, you're gonna be bitter. That's, you know, it's normal.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And you don't want that to happen to anybody else. And if they've done it like this. That's fucking brazen. Just to leave the bodies laying there. These are dangerous people.

[James Pietragallo]

It's crazy. So, by the way, yes, it was Bonnie. That is Casey's fiance's name. The Bonnie situation would have been very explosive. To use a Pulp Fiction reference here. So this investigation.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Satisfied with Sanka James?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, instant. So this investigation here. I get my coffee on the outside. Oh, that's Seinfeld. Nevermind. Different thing. That side. Jerry being angry when this and how

[Jimmy Wissman]

good my fucking coffee is. Jules.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. This is when they're not jerking off the contest. I don't have any coffee. Okay. Get my coffee on the outside. Different thing. Okay. So this investigation, the police and the district attorneys said they know a lot of which we're not sharing. They told the press.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

They said there's a lot of stuff that we've developed that we're not going to comment on. We're restricted by ethics rules. They're just keeping their. The crime scene close to the vest so people can't.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We're trying to solve this.

[James Pietragallo]

Exactly. They identify some suspects within 24 hours of discovering the bodies, though.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Two different sets of suspects that they were. They go. They go from one to the other. But they spend a good 24 hours on the first set of suspects that we'll talk about here. Now, physical evidence that they have, they said there was a surprising amount of physical evidence. There were footprints, so it must not have been windy. And it didn't rain in an hour. There were shell casings. And the casings are the big break in the case because they're not ordinary casings. They're very specific. They know where they came from. They came from a calico 9 millimeter.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How'd they know that?

[James Pietragallo]

Apparently it's a specific marking on the bullet or something. So this gun, it fires 9 millimeter rounds, but it is a specific gun that has a 50 round clip in it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, that's why 50 Cent loves it.

[James Pietragallo]

It's a Calico street sweeper, they call it. Basically, that's the nickname of the damn gun here. So that's what they're looking. So they know that there's a specific weapon that they're looking for that fired these specific bullets. And it's a specific enough weapon where that might help, you know what I mean? If they could find out where one of those was sold. Now, they do come up with some suspects right away. There's a security camera mounted on top of one of the local restaurants near the beach. When you think security camera, now you're thinking digital. And you can enhance. We're talking grainy, recycled tapes. Tapes that have been used for five years just being recycled and they're washed out to shit. Basically. When I was robbed black and white

[Jimmy Wissman]

in 98, they didn't have cameras. And they said they didn't have cameras because the camera quality or the recording quality was terrible.

[James Pietragallo]

Anyway, it doesn't help. It never help.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They told the cops.

[James Pietragallo]

It's true, though. You see that footage and you're like, a guy came in and did that. You can't see any details or anything like that. And this is one of those ones that doesn't even capture it completely. It does. Every couple seconds it grabs a frame.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, I hate those so much.

[James Pietragallo]

Yes, really shitty. Just to see what's going on quickly. So it's almost like a weird flip book if you've ever seen those. So they used these frames, along with witnesses who'd seen two men walking away from the beach to try to construct what the fuck happened here. The faces, they seemed to point to two men that they knew as petty criminals around town.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Got it.

[James Pietragallo]

So we know those guys. We know a blonde and a brunette who are both petty criminals who that kind of resembles. So the police go pick these two idiots up, basically keep them for about 24 hours of talking to them and trying to figure it out. Then about another 12 hours working through their stories and checking alibis and doing all this type of shit before they realize that these fucking guys didn't do this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They didn't do anything.

[James Pietragallo]

They didn't do this at all. So we've just spent 36 hours of the first 48, as you know, completely Wasted on the wrong suspects, which is not great.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, we got 12 hours to go. Let's take a break.

[James Pietragallo]

This is bad. Yeah. Shit, now we're fucks. So people in Seaside, though, had seen these. This was on the news and newspapers and all that kind of thing. So people said they looked and they said, that's not the guys that you're saying it is. People said they knew that these guys gait and can tell by their walk who it was. And they said, you have got the wrong fucking guys here. You have got completely the wrong guys. The guys you're looking for are not even really criminals. They don't really have much of a criminal record. And they weren't even on the radar. The guys that the people around town were talking about, they hadn't even thought about those guys. They weren't even on a suspect list or anybody to talk to. These are other people going, that footage looks like these guys. So not only does the footage look like this other pair, this pair of gentlemen, of young gentlemen, apparently for the last day and a half, have been calling everyone they know and telling them that they murdered two people on the beach. What? Which is crazy. Several friends of the people who are identified by others as being in that video told investigators that they were contacted by one of them by telephone within a day of the shootings. And during the course of the conversations, this guy said that he and his friend, the other guy that we'll talk about, were going to leave the state. Why? They were on their way out because they killed two people on the beach.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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now back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

And when asked by the friend, why did you kill two people on the beach? This young gentleman said, quote, for the hell of it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

For nothing.

[James Pietragallo]

Nothing. For the hell of it. Just for shits and giggles, for kicks. So that's interesting and the investigators say that sounds right because this appears to be unprovoked. Whatever happened here, the investigator said it appears to be a motiveless killing. Most crimes are irrational. Okay, now this suspect now placed two calls to his friend and co worker, a guy named Eric Manziel after the murders. And this Manziel told police that during the first call, about four hours after the murders that morning, the guy said something really big happened. Yeah, that's the way he put it. Something really big happened.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

I killed two people. And he also denied the other guy's involvement. There's a pair here, he said. The guy that was with me, he didn't do anything. He told this guy. Then the suspect called this friend back again later that afternoon. And the friend, Manziel, had heard about the bodies found on the beach and said, why'd you do it? And that's when he said, for the hell of it. So he told multiple people for the hell of it, which is very interesting. Now, physical evidence, they sifted through, basically they sectioned everything off into 45 foot squares and then you could comb it like spaceballs, basically, and get whatever you want out of it. It's sand. So they said that they identify the weapon as a 9 millimeter calico semi automatic handgun. That's the weapon. They said that there's footprints and cigarette butts as well that they found around here, which will be something. Now, several people who they talk to who are acquainted with these suspects, who actually called the police and said, I think that's them. They both say that they smoke that brand of cigarettes and own shoes with similar tread patterns to the ones found there, which is interesting. And like I said, the cigarettes were found consistent with the cigarette butts around there, the ones that they smoke. Now, there was some people that. Basically three people who were on the beach. This is in addition to those two guys who we talked about before. This is a group of three people said that two young men who resembled the suspects approached a brunette and a blonde approached them on the beach at about 4am while they had a bonfire going. According to them, these two suspects mentioned that their television was not working. That's why they were out walking around, because their TV broke and that they made threatening remarks to them. These two suspects had made threatening remarks to the three of them. So there's someone, two guys are walking around menacing people on the beach. Until this happened.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Our TV's broke. I'm gonna kick your ass.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm gonna kick your ass. That'd be easy. I'm gonna shoot you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Those are the remarks that they made?

[James Pietragallo]

No, just weird remarks, like threatening remarks, like, we'll talk, we'll find out what they were. But it was really weird. We'll go through the whole thing. But it was a real, real weird back and forth that they had. So police believe that the suspects had no reason to shoot, shoot Nims and Goza. And they believe, as we'll find out, based on evidence, that they modeled the killings depicted in the film. In the film In Cold Blood, which is the 1967 movie version of the 1965 Truman Capote book In Cold Blood, about the two guys who come in and murder a family in a house in Nebraska. In a house in Nebraska. But the fact that they didn't know that family and everything like that. It's a thrill killing is what they were.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And they get nothing out of it.

[James Pietragallo]

Exactly. So that's what they think this is probably because as we'll find out why in a minute here. But there's also 911 tip, and they say, we know this one suspect is a blonde and the other one has brown hair. And another friend called to say that one of the suspects was known to carry a recently purchased 9 millimeter in his green backpack. Okay. The affidavit also reveals that police had looked at these two as suspects the same morning of the shootings when they started getting calls. But they were wasting their time with other people. A 911 dispatcher received an anonymous call mid morning identifying the two guys as involved in the killings. The caller said the pair was headed to California or Mexico, which tons of tips come in. And when some young person calls and they go, hey, I know the guys that did it, it's these two dudes and they're on their way to Mexico.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

That sounds like a load of shit. Essentially.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's a very common thing to say, especially on the West Coast.

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely. That's where everybody, we'll just run away to Mexico. Like that works. So let's find out who these suspects are.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Here we go.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay. Bradley Charles Price is the first. He's born December 11, 1974. So he's 22 years old. While all this is going on, he grew up in Brookings, Oregon, which is down south there, kind of along the California border. But it's also a harbor, fishing, kind of ocean town. Now, Price was a star athlete at Brookings High School. He was like a really good athlete, a football player. He also wrote poetry.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Brad Chuck is a writer.

[James Pietragallo]

Bradley Price. Yeah. It's very interesting that he writes poetry and plays football. Those are two things don't usually go together. He also really loved movies, like really loved them, and would watch the same ones over and over and break them down and really loved movies. He was a big into film type of shit. He went to the University of Oregon for about a year before he Dropped out.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

So he was going pretty damn well for a while. And then some weird, you know, just didn't. Things kind of fell apart for him. People who knew him called him a quiet, outstanding student. He was a starter on the Brookings Harbor High School football team for a while, anyway. He graduated in 93 and attended university of Oregon. A reporter for a newspaper who was a classmate of Bradley's while they attended Brookings recalled Price as a quiet but friendly kid and a good student. He said, he was a year ahead of me in school, and he always got good grades. The circle of friends he had was small but good students. The Brookings community is shocked. It doesn't fit Brad's character.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What's wrong, Brad?

[James Pietragallo]

He said many people in Brookings believe Price was forced into it by the other guy and probably has been murdered by now. So what everyone's saying in Brookings is he's probably dead.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The other guy probably buried somewhere.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, the other guy probably forced him into it, and then this guy killed Brad because he's a witness and he's dumped him in the ocean or something along the way from him.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

So he said, that's what everybody in Brookings thinks. Like, that's the way it works, according to this guy here. Brad Price's mother, Pat, said violence is totally out of his character, meaning Brad's. In all of his life, he's never even been in a fist fight. I've never heard him raise his voice or shout. I couldn't have asked for a better kid. Wow. Okay. His high school football coach, Darrell Darrell Erb, said that Price was a, quote, hard worker and had a good attitude. Oh, boy. He said that Price started as a defensive back as a junior, but lost his starting position following a car accident where he was injured and never got it back. He said, quote. But he maintained a good attitude throughout the season. That shows character.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

If you can. Yeah. If you can root for the people who took your job and not be bitter about it and sit there and hope they suck, then that's that show's character. So that's the good of Bradley. There's also the bad. He claimed to some of his friends that he dropped out of the University of Oregon because he lost focus and started to do less well in school and was going to drop out and go back, but he wanted to protect his grade point average, so. So while he was fucking up, he didn't want to do it. He had a 3.14 GPA, and he didn't want to mess that up. He wanted to keep it. So. He also, though, would admit that he was majoring in English Literature. But he also said that he'd been smoking a lot of weed and doing a bunch of acid too. Oh, and acid which will make you lose focus. Hard to focus on anything when you're on acid, unless it's shiny or sparkly.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So.

[James Pietragallo]

Brad stayed briefly with his older sister in Crescent City after he dropped out of Oregon There, like I said, a lot of the kids that know him, especially from school, referred to him as the all American boy. And his mom said, just a sweet kid. Never did any. Never raised his voice, never in a fist fight. He's got a sister. His older sister has a completely different view of him.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We fought like cats and dogs.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, his older sister's 30, so she's eight years older than him. So it wasn't really fighting. It's what came later. Her name is Brandy Eller and she said that Brad once threatened to kill her seven month old son. What I'll kill your baby is a crazy threat.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Outrageous.

[James Pietragallo]

And talked to her on several occasions about, quote, shooting someone in the head.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What's happening there?

[James Pietragallo]

I don't know. She said that her brother, quote, was being portrayed as some kind of nice all American kid and he isn't. I just want people to know that there's a side of him that my mother and other relatives won't talk about. So she's like, he fucking did it. My brother. I know he's a scumbag, which is wild. She says.

[Jimmy Wissman]

My mom won't even say it. She loves them too much, but I fucking hate them.

[James Pietragallo]

I hate him. He's a dick. She said she was shocked. She sounds like Jennifer Grey in Ferris Bueller at this point. She's like, yeah, that's what she sounds like. But I don't think Ferris Gray threatened to kill or. Ferris Gray. Ferris Bueller threatened to kill Jennifer Grey's baby. That would have been a totally different thing. That would have been odd. A real strange twist to that story.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's in Ferris Gray's day off.

[James Pietragallo]

Ferris Gray's day off?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, man. So she said she was shocked that someone she was related to could be attached to such a crime, but that she could believe Brad was involved. Oh, I buy it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She says she believes it.

[James Pietragallo]

She said she believes that the district attorney is right when he called the murders thrill killings. She said, I know some people think he might have been forced into doing it, but I don't think so. She's just throwing him right under the Bus and then getting in, starting it up and going back and forth, just running him over.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Thrill killing. I think my brother's good for it.

[James Pietragallo]

I think he could do it. I really do. She said, I think he was willing all the way. He mentioned to me before wondering what it would be like to, quote, shoot someone in the head. I can believe he did it just to see what it was like. I'm talking now because people must know the truth about Brad. He was a real good kid in high school, but he changed a lot once he went away to college. He was into drugs, doing them and selling them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, how about that?

[James Pietragallo]

So she blows up the entire narrative that his family put out of like, no, not our guy, he's actually our guy. She said she hasn't talked to Brad in more than two years. Not since he threatened to kill her then seven month old son. He said. He told me he meaning the son would be an easy target and he just wanted to do it. Yeah, seven month olds and they won't put up much of a fight, I'll tell you that much. You could just kill him, they'll think you're giving them Cheerios. They have no idea. They don't know the difference. She said, I kicked him out and haven't seen him since. Now, his stepmother sue was quoted by saying Brad was mean to her and my daughter. Mean to me and my daughters. She said she also referred to him as a daddy's boy, which is very funny. There's a lot of resentment. They resent that the father paid attention to him. And the sister seems to resent it too. I mean, later on it makes sense that she would not like him, but it's very funny. Daddy's boy. The stepmother could not be reached for comment. However, the sister said that her father would do all he could to protect Brad. So would family members in Brookings.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Good lord.

[James Pietragallo]

She's saying that. She said my mom, grandmother and other relatives know Brad wasn't the perfect kid. They all claim he was, but they won't admit it. They won't talk about it. I think they would do a great. They would go to great lengths to hide him. They're even saying they're aiding and abetting now. Wow. Mom always believed great lengths. Mom always believed he was perfect. But he isn't.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And she is a ride or die for this complete fuck up.

[James Pietragallo]

The sister went on to say that she once had a photograph of Brad with her two sons, Holden and Brandon, both of them 9 years old. He had his arms around them, holding his Finger formed like a gun pointed at their head, not a rabbit ears. A gun to a child's head. When I got mad at him, I tore him out of the picture. I wish I still had that photo.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Brad did that.

[James Pietragallo]

Brad did that. Yeah. Apparently. Now a little more from his loving sister. With her as your pr. As your publicist, you really can't go wrong.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Jesus Christ. She should be a district attorney, this broad. I'm ready to convict him after this opening statement. Sounds like a bad guy. Fuck him. She added that when he was young, Brad would throw a tantrum if he didn't get his way. He was bang his head onto the floor until he got his way. He would break things and throw things around the house. She said he did this till he was 10 or 11. She also claimed that he hit her and kicked her until he was about 12 or 13. After that, however, when he began high school, they started to get along. Well, maybe because he took his energy out on football. I'm not sure that's the type of kid that football's good for.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Well, any sport, really. Something to just focus.

[James Pietragallo]

But he needs to bang into things. He's one of those kids. He needs one of those slam bang kids they call him. He's got to be like. And hit that. And that's how he gets his energy out.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wrestle. Football.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Something. Yeah, wrestling will take it out of you. Just. Just the fucking losing weight will take it out of you. Kid will be like, I just dropped eight pounds to make weight. I was in the sauna. I don't feel. In a bottle.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And you don't even.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, disgusting. But then he became, quote. But then he became verbally abusive. His stepfather once told me, Brad isn't happy unless he's hurting someone or causing them pain.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Stepdad said that.

[James Pietragallo]

His stepdad said that. I can see him doing something violent like this. Not because he was mad, but just to see what it would be like. So a ringing endorsement from his older sister. Just a ringing endorsement. There's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, it doesn't look good.

[James Pietragallo]

Now his only scrapes with the law for Bradley Price. He's 22 and his only problems with the law are littering. He got a littering ticket. And underage possession of alcohol. Who cares?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. How much littering you gotta do to get a ticket for it?

[James Pietragallo]

It depends. If you're a teenager and they wanna break your balls or something, who knows? If he mouthed off, the guy said, pick that up. And he said, I'm not pick. I don't know what you're talking about. And he said, okay, here's your tick. Who knows? But underage, possession, alcohol, who gives a shit? We all could have got caught for that a trillion times. Who cares? They said he drifted up the coast to the north coast to Seaside, which is where it started to go wrong for him once he got here. According to his sister, again, his PR agent here, he moved to Seaside to be closer to his older brother who lives in Seaside and Astoria. He said he spent a short time with me before I kicked him out. He really changed after he went off to college. I've been told he was selling drugs and doing a lot of drugs in Seaside. That's what she said. He is also described by a member of the police department as. This is a real succinct way to put it. Quote, an estranged college kid that sat around and drank Robitussin to get high. Yikes. That is very specific.

[Jimmy Wissman]

College student is a terrible phrase.

[James Pietragallo]

Estranged. Like college broke up with him. Not even like they.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He broke up with college.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, it was like abandoned. Yeah. An estranged college kid that drank Robitussin. And the one word summary that a lot of people have for him, including the cops, based on his whole little profile here is follower. Brad's a follower, period. He is not a leader. He is a follower.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Lost and follower. That's not a leader and a follower.

[James Pietragallo]

And so he needs someone to follow. And in February 96, he found a friend to follow. And this is pathetic because this kid's 19. He's three years younger than him.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

When you're 22, you don't follow someone who's not even allowed to buy alcohol.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Where do you follow them? To the arcade? Because they can't get drunk.

[James Pietragallo]

You can't buy scratchers. I'm not following you. This is crazy. So this friend he meets is Jesse Carl McAllister. He's born December 30, 1977. So he's 19 now. He's described. He's a real interesting guy here. A friend of his said he did well in school. He never really got in fights, and he always did his work. He attended Seaside High School as a freshman. No extracurriculars or involvement. He just went to class. Then he went to Bridges, a school called bridges. In 93, 94, following his freshman year at Seaside High School. Bridges was a five district alternative education program for kids who fucked up in regular school.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You knew that's what it was called. You knew that's what it was.

[James Pietragallo]

It was called Bridges Yeah, you know the B school?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, around my. It bridges the dipshits into regular school, regular working environment.

[James Pietragallo]

Where I grew up, it was boces. That's what it was. B, O, C, E S. And it was basically all the kids who got kicked out or dropped out or really wanted to be welders. That's where they went is they did, like vocational shit.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Was it an acronym?

[James Pietragallo]

I think it was, yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I forget what ours was, but it was an acronym. And then we had Polaris. That was for the pregnant girls at night.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, for the pregnant. Yeah, it's an acronym. An acronym of things that won't happen.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Like.

[James Pietragallo]

It's an acronym of like Helping make better. No, it's just a storage. It's a storage place for 16 year olds who have. Who smoke cigarettes in class. That's what it is.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Basically, this is a place. This was a church that kids would go during the morning, Monday through Friday, when they don't have church services. It was just a way for the church to get paid for a building that was unoccupied at the moment.

[James Pietragallo]

Use their space. The kids get somewhere to go without getting arrested. It's all great.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Perhaps because they're here Monday through Friday. Maybe they'll come back on Sunday and throw some money in the pond.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, right. So McAllister Alister completed the equivalent of his sophomore year at Bridges. Then he returned to school a little later, but didn't get any credits or anything, so didn't really do anything. School officials will not comment on anything he did, but people do not believe that he earned either a high school diploma or a GED. McAllister. So after bridges is when he had his first brush with the law here, he spent time in the Clatsop County Jail after beating up three people on the beach in Seaside. Beating up three people.

[Jimmy Wissman]

A brawl on the beach is fucking nuts.

[James Pietragallo]

Him versus three people. I don't know who he beat up, but he beat up three people. Someone who knows him said, quote, he told me he liked jail. He said he enjoyed it, okay? And, wow. So he did that. Now his personality, they said during the jail sentence intensified. One of his friends said, quote, he was like a real power tripper. He had a reputation for fighting, but he would also kick people out of his apartment at the drop of a hat. He's just real. His temper was just wild. This hair trigger on him. This friend said, I'd sit there with the guys and they would talk about beating people up all the time. He was constantly getting in fights. When this friend would Ask them to stop talking about fighting. She said they couldn't do it. They would say, you just don't understand the testosterone. Is that what it is? Jesus Christ, man. Yeah, that's what it is.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's a bad boy, J. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

There's an energy you have when you're 19 about fighting. That's just. That's a thing that happens when you're 19, especially depending on where you're from.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's frustrating because you're an adult. You can die for a country at that time, but you can't have a swig of beer. So there's like a frustration level of unsure where you fit in.

[James Pietragallo]

It goes from pretty much 15 to.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But once you're 19 and you're done with high school, if you're not going to college, it's like, then I'm an adult. If I'm not in school, then I'm a big boy.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, totally. But I mean like this, fighting for no reason. This goes from 15 and ends sometimes never.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, sometimes the 50 year old dude

[James Pietragallo]

that just loves to fight, just loves to fight or he beats up his wife or whatever, it can go on forever. Sometimes it burns out in your early 20s and sometimes it never stops. It's crazy. Now there's some people that they don't like that don't like him and have some things to say about him too. The local police sergeant called him a violent kind of gang banging type of kid who was not afraid of anything. Gang banging, Gang banging. I don't know what kind of gangs they have in seaside, Oregon among 7,000 people, but I am not sure. So the manatees, I believe he's a part of the folk, very exclusive. So he already had a felony on his record, which is burglary in the first degree, which is interesting. So now he's a 19 year old convicted felon as well. And they said that he's got. Which hang on to that for a second because that'll come up. He's got a temper as well. Like I said, this temper is wild. They said he's got a temper and mood swings that he has a hard time disguising. Basically. They said basically he would fight all the time. He also spent time in jail for assault. Another different time is besides the three people on the beach, a school friend of his talking about the murder said, quote, I kind of think he did it. Hey, thanks, appreciate that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I kind of think he did it.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. This young lady says this. They went to school for a couple years. She wished to remain anonymous for her own safety. Other friends say that while McAllister started out amicably with people, something changed along the way. One friend named Patrick Whistler said, we were close when we were younger, in first through fifth grade. Well, everyone's different in fifth grade.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Everyone's close first through fifth grade.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, everyone's friends. When you have a birthday party in first grade, you give an invitation to everyone in the class.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The whole fucking class.

[James Pietragallo]

The whole class. You don't discriminate. He remembers the two of them playing in a fort on McAllister's relative's property after school. However, when McAllister moved to Washington with his mother after finishing grade school, they lost touch. He said he saw. Michalak saw McAllister hitchhiking through Seaside around Christmas of last year. He said it was the first time he'd seen them since their freshman year of high school. He said, we talked a bit and he said that was the last he heard of him, quote, until the news, you know, that he's wanted as a murder suspect. One of the friends said, I mean, he did have a preoccupation, but with violence. But she said, he always treated his friends well, end quote. He was a super nice guy. Okay, well, wow. That's another thing with women is they can see some guy do some crazy shit and then go, he's a super nice guy. That's a nice character. He was nice to me. I mean, yes, I just watched him curb stomp an old man, but there's something to me. He's just so sweet. When I look in his eyes, I can see what's really in there. And that's pretty nice.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nice guy.

[James Pietragallo]

Sweetness and niceness. His boss here, McAllister, worked at a bunch of Seaside restaurants as a cook. Oh, just like Brooke did. He worked at Moby's Seafood and Chowder House, owned, of course, by the bald headed techno guy, Moby. That would be amazing. Come get my chowder. In downtown Seaside. His boss, Rocco. Hey, Rocco. Tell me about it. Over here. Rocco said he was a hard worker, always on time. This guy. Yeah, that's what he said.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's what a hard worker is, James.

[James Pietragallo]

Always on time.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Punctual.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, when you run a restaurant, that is a hard worker. Well, yeah, but shows up for their shift is like, oh, my God. He's like a monk, basically. Like, he's a. He works. He's. Stow that. That's really. That's so minimum showed up for. He showed up for most of his shifts. My God. Stalwart.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The vast majority of People show up for their shifts and then just spend that eight hours trying to not do their shift, right?

[James Pietragallo]

Not doing it, dicking off. Well, in the restaurant industry, even that, half the time you don't know when they're even showing up in the kitchen. They have to show up or they get fired. But waiters, there's always someone else you can call in. It's a different story.

[Jimmy Wissman]

As a cook, your shift, we could tell when you're not doing your job well. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[James Pietragallo]

Hey, someone's looking in the window. Hey, in there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Hey, guys.

[James Pietragallo]

The fuck's my food?

[Jimmy Wissman]

I got a table. Bitching.

[James Pietragallo]

Table 8 are assholes, and I'm starting to not blame them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They've been here for two hours, you guys. Can we feed them?

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, God. He said, though a sound work ethic was not enough for this guy, for McAllister. He said he was subject to mood changes, temperamental. When he was mad, he let you know it. Oh, so that's how it goes. Yeah. So he's got a temper is what it is. He said sometimes he would simmer. One day, McAllister was brooding over a situation with his girlfriend. So Rocco told the other employees, he looks mad enough to kill. When that happened, he said, later on, I wasn't shocked about the murders. I kept a guy employed who I'm pretty sure was capable of murder. I just kept him. Anyway, that's the restaurant business, so it's fucking baffling.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There's not been one person, apart from a man's mom, who has said, I don't think they could have. Everybody's just like, yeah, I could see it.

[James Pietragallo]

I could see it. That's exactly how Rocco probably said it. I could see it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I could see it. But that's how I do. Like that. He uses a cooking term for, I saw him simmering one, and then he was boiling.

[James Pietragallo]

He didn't use that term. The newspaper did. He should have used it. That would have been great. So this is fucking in the restaurant business, too. If a guy can get food out on time, if he doesn't murder in the restaurant, we're good. Because it's hard to get a guy who shows up every day and does what he's supposed to do. It's too hard. So McAllister, like we said, he's the one who called all his friends and told them what he did. He's the guy making phone calls, which is amazing. The only aspect of his potential involvement in the crime that surprises Rocco, his boss, was his subsequent behavior. He Said sounds like he was almost proud of what he did. Calling people, telling people, he said that I'm getting more and more astonished at his audacity. More and more.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It is crazy that he just bragged about it, like he's proud of it. But then why you running if you're so proud?

[James Pietragallo]

Well, yeah, proud of it and wanting to be in prison forever is two different things. I thought you liked jail. Thought you liked jail then. I like this. This is amazing. Rocco, he's going to break down philosophical shit here for us. I love this here. He said that the killings, this might have been for his sense of self worth. He said he might have been lacking in a guy named Rocco telling you about your self worth. He said he was always known for his intimidation. He said he got older, though, started hanging out with older people, and he discovered that he couldn't intimidate as easily. So maybe he needed this. Yeah, that's what happens.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's got to prove himself to these older folks.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. He may have decided maybe if I kill a couple people, they'll be scared of me. I guess his dark side was darker than most. Jesus, Rocco.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So it's a big leap, Rocco, of proving your self worth to others.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. He really was like, let me break it down psychologically. I took a year of psychology in community college, you know, one year, Klotsup. But it's all right. I know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Then we find out where Rocco's from because he's.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Fucking horrifying, man.

[James Pietragallo]

Fucking Rocco, his other friend again. This is the guy he went to school with. He says that, yes, McAlister probably possessed a brooding aspect to his personality. He isn't completely convinced that he had a hand in murdering two people. He said. And yet he's not so sure. He can't tell.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I could see it.

[James Pietragallo]

I could see it. That's what I just. I could see what I was right there, you know? He said, quote, I hate to stereotype someone, but it's like he could. He was like that. What do you hate to. Then he said if he wanted something bad enough, he could work hard enough to get it. But then you could also see the other side of him, where it was like, I don't care. This guy said when he learned that McAlister was a suspect in the double homicide, he said it rattled him. He said it was bad.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Questions popped into my head. Was it for money? Was it for drugs? Was he on drugs, though? He said he hasn't. He said, I won't say that he did it. For sure, because he hasn't been convicted of anything, quote, innocent until proven, he says.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's what it says. Yeah, but there's a lot of people that could see it. That's.

[James Pietragallo]

They could see it. Now, just like Price, there's a lot of other people who say he's a fucking angel. No, what are you talking about? The guy is an angel. Yes, absolutely. His cousin here, Katie Larson, said that, quote, I think it's completely wrong. There is no way he did it. I think the only way he did it was for self defense. Now that's what they said. Despite the fact that he's called a bunch of people to brag about it and it's pretty sure they did it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There's no weapon on them. How do you self defense shoot two people in the fucking forehead?

[James Pietragallo]

Exactly. Well, they could have taken the weapon and thrown it in the sea or, you know, a seagull could have came and taken it for later, you know, you never know. They'll eat anything.

[Jimmy Wissman]

In the forehead.

[James Pietragallo]

In the forehead. Now, a little bit about Brad and Jesse here. Now that we have them set up as these two characters. Brad the kind of quasi all American boy football player, McAllister the dropout alternative school guy and all that kind of thing. So June of 1996, Brad and Jesse move into an apartment together. Okay. Brad is the older one, Jesse is the younger, more aggressive one. Apartment and seaside together. By summer of 97, they were still living together. So they lived together for a year. At this point, everybody said McAllister is an aggressor in every situation. Brad later on will say his personality was really violent and he was not terribly conscious of the world around him. That's Brad talking. He had been in several fights in Brad's presence. McAllister had told Price and other people that he wanted to be a hitman at some point. And according to the later testimony, McAllister had been harboring a desire to kill another person for about two years. Really into it, really wanted to kill somebody. We've had this happen about 15 times in this show where someone thought hitman was a job that you like, apply for.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Not something you kind of fall into in some weird way.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They didn't come to the job there anywhere guys.

[James Pietragallo]

They really don't. I looked for them in high school. I saw the Marine guys bothering everybody. I saw these people that I never saw, you know, a couple of guineas and suits going. I mean, you know, no benefits, but

[Jimmy Wissman]

there's money in it.

[James Pietragallo]

Nice suits too. I mean, come on, we Got the best food. I'll tell you what.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Hey, Marine. Money, food and respect.

[James Pietragallo]

Don't listen to this fucking marine guy. Hey, you guys got bullshit food. Come on, what are you talking about? This guy ain't gonna give you nothing. We got the freshest fucking bread sandwiches every goddamn day.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You paid terribly to kill mush.

[James Pietragallo]

They got fucking mushed, these guys. And they gotta kill. They don't even fucking know who they are, these fucking guys. What, are you kidding me? You gotta go over there, fly over here, eat shitty food, kill people, get.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We'll show you who he is. We'll walk you right up there.

[James Pietragallo]

Get the fuck out of here. No way. No way. Hey everybody. Just gonna take a quick break from the show and tell you the best way to protect your home with homeserve.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Homeserve.com.

[James Pietragallo]

oh, I am telling you guys, you do not want to have something break down on your house. My house, I have an old house and we have got, we've had it to where the old heating system with the boiler and all that exploded and there was water everywhere. We were like, oh my God, it was winter and it's a mess. The heat was out, it was horrible. And you know, that's the thing. If you're not protected, you are in a lot of trouble at that point. You really are. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What do you do?

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Now back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

So anyway, that's what's happening there now. July of 1997, McAllister was still employed as a cook at Moby's seafood and chowder house. And Brad Price was a clerk at video warehouse. Video store guy, he works at the video store now. Speaking of movies, they have a movie that they love and that is In Cold Blood. It is from 67. They made a remake in like 2000 something. But this is the 1967 version of this story.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is it called In Cold Blood, the remake? Was it just capote?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, In Cold Blood.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, okay.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's. They made In Cold Blood and then In Cold Blood again. So. Yeah, this is VHS tape they're wrapping over and over again. 1967. I can't remember if that one's in color or not.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I think it's black and white.

[James Pietragallo]

I honestly can't remember. I saw it when I was 10 or something. I don't remember, but I can't remember if it's Black and white. 67. Most of the films were color by then, but there was still a couple in black and white. But the book is awesome. And there's been a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of killers, like serial killers who. This is the first thing that got them hard was In Cold Blood. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really?

[James Pietragallo]

BTK read it a hundred times. He loved it. Really loved it. Loved it, Loved it. Loved it. Because it was also in his area.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I didn't see the movie. I don't think I may have, but I for sure didn't read the book. But I know the story and the story itself is the most horrifying fucking thing. How that could make you.

[James Pietragallo]

They love it. That's what gets them off. Wow. That's how you know how your brain works. If you read that and you're not, I mean, you can be horrified, you could be interested, you could even be titillated, but you got to be a little horrified. That's the thing. If you're not horrified, terrifying. If you're like, yeah, more. It's one of the first ones that

[Jimmy Wissman]

was like nationwide known of like more or less a boogeyman that killed the whole fucking family, Right?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. There was Henry Lee Lucas before that. There was a whole bunch. There was tons of them. It happened all the time.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There was like in the fucking heartland like that where nothing happens.

[James Pietragallo]

He just wrote a really good book about it is why. Because he's a good writer and wrote a book and that's, that's what gave it such run is because it's a good book. Otherwise it would have just been by the wayside. No one would know shit about it. The story, by the way, is Dick Hickok and Perry Smith were two drifters. In November of 59, they broke into a Kansas farmhouse. They were looking for a. They heard there was a safe full of money there that was not there. So instead of getting money, they just murdered all four members of a family for no reason. And then went where, Jimmy? Mexico.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, was it to Mexico?

[James Pietragallo]

To Mexico, yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How about it?

[James Pietragallo]

According to records, McAllister and Price, Brad and Jesse, or Jesse and Brad in that case respectively, rented in cold blood at least four times in the month before the murders. Kept renting it. So that's interesting. Four times in less than 30 days renting the same movie. They were into it. The other thing is the gun. McAllister had wanted a gun for a long time. He was trying to get a gun. Now he's a 19 year old felon, so he can't. He's under 21 and he's a felon. So strike one, strike two. No way to get through it. But what he did is about two weeks before the murders he had Brad purchase the weapon for him, who's not a felon and who's over 21. He got a calico nine millimeter at a store. Expensive weapon in is and yep, it's you know, 50 round magazine, all that kind of thing. I'll just read. This is from the newspaper. Investigators from the clatsop county major crime team believe a calico 9 millimeter was used to murder Frank Nims and Gabriela Goza. The firearm holds 50 rounds per magazine According to sky of skies gunsmithing in Astoria. The pistols, which are awkward and tend to jam, weigh about two and a quarter pounds when empty and three and a quarter pounds when loaded. The 16 inch semiautomatic pistol has a six inch barrel and many come with a collapsible gun stock.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, so let's see.

[James Pietragallo]

It's like a TEC 9. Exactly, it's a TEC 9. Which don't work for shit either.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're the worst.

[James Pietragallo]

They're the worst. Every rap song you could tell, they never used one because they would be like this tec9 sucks. And I had to throw it in the gutter because it broke. That would be what they'd all. They'd be rapping.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I had one. It's an in attack 9. That's why they call it like the water guns.

[James Pietragallo]

They made the water gun people made real guns. I thought that was crazy. Remember Those in the 80s, the greatest water guns ever.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's crazy. It has this long ass mag for no reason because every three rounds you're clearing the chamber. It's the biggest piece of shit ever.

[James Pietragallo]

Those enter tech. Water guns ruled the world till super Soaker arrived. They were battery operated, remember you had to put batteries in them and they were like. They'd be like automatic water guns. You just hold the trigger down. It was like an uzi and shit. And then super soaker came out and it was like, okay, well it's not automatic, but holy fuck.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Well, maybe they knock water inside.

[James Pietragallo]

They could knock a child over with this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Maybe they got water inside all these pistols. That's why they don't fucking work anymore.

[James Pietragallo]

Maybe, maybe that. So they said. Others are equipped with a fixed wooden butt. So this is a very specific gun. Now the seller of the gun said that this is amazing. He knew that this was a sham happening before him. Brad didn't come in by himself and buy the gun and all that he said. Words were said that it was clearly McAllister's gun. McAllister could not own a gun because he was on probation or something and he was underaged and a felon. But he said obviously this guy was buying a gun for his friend, but he let him do it anyway.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Good job, asshole. So July 11, three days before the murders. Here. They need some ammo. They need ammo. McAllister asks Price to buy ammunition for the gun. And he does. So they buys him the ammo and then the two of them go to a local cemetery to test fire this gun.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're firing guns in a fucking cemetery,

[James Pietragallo]

which is the dumbest place because there's no quieter place than that. Why would you go to the quietest place and fire guns off?

[Jimmy Wissman]

It is interesting how much room that land has and how their. There's never anybody there. So I guess that. But it's always.

[James Pietragallo]

Kids go there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Perimeter populated with something, something.

[James Pietragallo]

That's why kids go there to drink. And. Yeah, there's nobody there. It's a huge area where no one is. I'm not in the cemetery. I'm not hanging out in the cemetery. That's just weird. But some people love that shit. Whatever. So, yeah, so he buys him the gun and then that's what they did. They took it to a cemetery and they test fired it. Yeah, okay. Now then after that, they have a gun, they have the bullets. They've been watching Fucking In Cold Blood over and over. So they basically were like, well, let's find somebody to shoot.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Here we go.

[James Pietragallo]

In the weeks leading up to this, what they did is they would cruise beach areas in McAllister's car, which is a 77 Impala, which is a huge, giant shitbox. Yeah, picture. It's bad. It's a big boat and it's a shitty one. In bad shape. It's a crappy car.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's gotta be close to the end of that run until they started remaking them in like fucking 02 or whatever.

[James Pietragallo]

There's something like that. Yeah, it has to be. Yeah, that's the end of that shit. That's a bad car. So they drove the coast looking for people and that's what they did. Yeah, it's very fucking interesting. One of McAllister's friends said, I didn't really think that he would go to such an extreme. He was talking about going around looking for people to shoot, but I didn't think he'd actually do it. They said that this one friend, a young lady, said based on what she heard from others who saw McAllister that night, that McAllister and Price may have been hanging out with Nims and Goza that night. She said, I think they were drinking together. Okay. But prior to that night, McAlister's not a big drinker. She said conditions of his release from jail and probation included a ban on drinking and smoking weed. So he hadn't been drinking that much. Now she said she wasn't aware that McAllister knew either Nims or Goza, but said that he probably saw Goza regularly because they worked directly across the fucking street from each other. These restaurants are right here. The pizza place and Moby's are right across the street from each other.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Look at each other.

[James Pietragallo]

They get off work at the same time, probably go to the same groups and gatherings of people and probably have run into each other before they're aware of each other. Likely has to be. So two days after the murders, police go to their apartment and knock on the door. McAllister and Price, they're gonna kick the door down here. 359 Ninth Avenue, number five. And they're not there. They're gone. Pretty much everything is gone in the apartment except a few things. They find a non functioning television at the residence. Remember he said his TV didn't work? A non functioning television. They find shoe boxes which have footwear with treads similar to the ones that they found at the crime scene, also in the apartment. And they said a vehicle belonging to Brad Price remained parked outside. McAllister's 77 Impala shitbox was missing and the apartment appeared to have been hastily abandoned.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, the 77 is the best car of the two.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the reliable one.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Who keeps the shoe boxes back then?

[James Pietragallo]

That's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I don't know if it's not a collectible shoe. You don't?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, the shoebox. Getting some new Jordans or something. So now they have to go on a manhunt. Now the FBI and the local police believe, because that later on the FBI will be involved. They believe they're traveling in the 77 gray Chevy Impala, Oregon license plate VGL036. All right, so McAllister and Price are believed to be still carrying the murder weapon. So hey, approach with caution. One of the cops said they are very dangerous. We have every reason to believe that Mr. McAlister and Mr. Price still had this weapon with them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Frightening. A 50 round magazine in this thing.

[James Pietragallo]

Jesus. So the FBI is involved. Cuz they appeared to have left the state. At least have reason to believe they've left the state. So that's when the FBI gets involved. The FBI spokesman said, we've offered our assistance and it's a large scale thing and if we have to look all over the country, the Clatsop county police can't find them. So yeah, they said we've obtained a federal warrant for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. There are rumors that they're in Idaho and there's also rumors that they are. That's because that's where his dad, Brad Price's dad, is the one that will do anything for him. Daddy's boy. And then either that or California or Mexico. Those are the three rumors going around that friends have said there's a bank teller that says they came driving the getaway car through the bank in Newport with Price driving.

[Jimmy Wissman]

California?

[James Pietragallo]

No, no. Newport, Oregon.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oregon. Got it.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So they were able to flee, basically. And this is what the prosecution, the prosecutor said, the DA Said they were able to flee because they had a 36 hour head start. Yeah, we looked at the wrong guys for 36 hours.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

Said if we looked right at them, we could have caught them before they left, while they were still making phone calls. But instead, we brought two other guys in there and got nothing. He said that the investigators suspected Price and McAllister. Later on, he said, that was when we suspected them. We did not have arrest warrants for them either when we first suspected them. They had to wait until some other people from the beach picked them out of lineups, photo lineups. That's how they were able to get the warrant, basically. So they said they've received several tips and they're checking out other shit. Main thing to think here, though, this is the important part, everybody, the beach is still safe. Go down there and spend all your money that you can, by the way,

[Jimmy Wissman]

regardless of how many bodies are on it. That beach is so safe, it's safe.

[James Pietragallo]

Rosemary Baker Monaghan, who's the president of the Seaside City Council, said, I walk the prom regularly. I'm fine, she said. She points out that there were 19 killings in the Portland metro area recently, while the Seaside shootings constitute the first murder case in four years. So it's much safer here, you know, so. He said. Although the recent crime hasn't derailed her routine, she recommends everyone take precautions when you walk, regardless of time of day or location. This isn't a beach thing or a seaside thing. This is just in general, she said. You have to be aware of your personal surroundings. Society as a whole is less safe than when I was a kid. Beyond the double homicide's local impact or perceived impact on safety, she said she's concerned about the indication of the state of society in general. She said, if this sort of tragedy is happening in Seaside, it's saying to me that it's everywhere, you know, because if I can see it, that must mean everybody else sees it, too.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This will probably be the last place it turns up. So when it does turn up here, just stay because everywhere else is bedlam.

[James Pietragallo]

It's all fucked out anyway. You're losing your mind when you see

[Jimmy Wissman]

what else is happening.

[James Pietragallo]

We'll all die together is what I'm saying. You come over here, let's die together.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We'll just stay here and die.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. A former employee of the Washington prison system here, Roger Maxwell, who lives there said, quote, the unfortunate part is that that kind of behavior is hitting Seaside. We're used to having it in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia area, where I live, every day there's a homicide. No, there's not. Sometimes things are kind of catchy. I hate that there's not. 365 homicides in a fucking year in Seattle at any time ever. Baltimore didn't even fucking hit that in the air. It's not happening. There was higher ones with bigger cities. Yeah, it's not a big enough city to have those kind of numbers generally. So they said. Maxwell said he made the trip here multiple times each summer for more than 30 years and he's not going to be swayed by some double homicide. I'm not happening, he said. This is a nice resort area. You're not keeping me away. That's right. He said, I know nothing about the victims, but it's damn sad that somebody who may just be out enjoying life is gonna get shot in the head. They said while adult crime has decreased in general over the last few years, yes, in the 90s, crime went down a lot. Youth crime is up. Said, referring to these statistics. If there's something we can do to interrupt this trend, that is something that the council maybe need to think of as a policy making body. I'm not sure what we could do, but I want to start the dialogue. We need to change this attitude that life isn't special. Those children obviously didn't have an appreciation of how dear those lives were. The other guy said he believed that the murderers probably have been dealt a poor hand. This is the prison system guy who worked in prison. He said the suspects probably had a lousy life up to this point. He said, you know, it's just the way it is. That's just a fact.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Probably based on their own decisions too, though, which is wild.

[James Pietragallo]

Totally. So they said that one guy here estimates that city of Seaside and Clatsop county will have spent more than $1 million on this case by the time it's all said and done. And they said we're going to go on as a society that's falling apart by dealing with the problem after the fact. He said we need to have prevention teachers can identify these children in kindergarten and first grade.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Can they?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, but we can't kill them. What do we do? Put them down. That's the problem. Unless you take them out of their environment and put them in a much better one and then give them therapy for 15 years, they're fucked by then if they're qualified.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And they can't because. Because one of them was a star football player and the other one was close with everybody, kindergarten to fifth grade. Those teachers would have missed these two for sure.

[James Pietragallo]

That's absolutely right. They said that. Wow. This person said McAllister is a young man who is definitely headed in the wrong direction. He's just shot two people in the head. So probably, they said, we're more than happy to give them that direction now. No expense will be a sparret. And giving him that direction will somehow feel better if we put Jesse McAllister in prison now this I gotta agree with you won't spend a fucking penny on these kids when they're little. Nobody will. Nobody will. There's no fucking. They've gotten rid of all these programs that you think go on. They're all gone. It's to the bone.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And worse, they're shitty and worse, they

[James Pietragallo]

don't give a fuck. But then if they kill somebody, we will spend $10 million on this trial to put them in prison, as we should put murderers in prison. But where the fuck was that? We could save so much fucking money if we just put a little bit of it here. But then people go, but that's my tax dollars. They don't realize that their tax dollars are being spent later anyway. But that's for vengeance and they feel good about that. A kid reading, that's boring. A murderer getting the death penalty, that I want to see. That's what people do.

[Jimmy Wissman]

90% of prison stay people, people that stay long periods of time. 90% didn't graduate high school.

[James Pietragallo]

Extended stay, what is it? The extended stay prisoners? The Residents Inn staff? Yeah, the Residents Inn members.

[Jimmy Wissman]

90% didn't graduate high school. That's not a coincidence.

[James Pietragallo]

It's not.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's not a coincidence.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what they mean. Go through, ask everybody in prison, find out their lives. It's not a bunch of people who were on the fucking dean's list and then just snapped. That's not really what's in there for the most part. So that council person said, I don't know what the answer is, but. But think the dialogue needs to start. Everyone has to participate in the solution. She said, you can't legislate the solution. Parents and schools and youth agencies have to get involved. So there's rewards here, by the way. Weeks go by, they don't find these kids. We're talking by August 21st. Now they're trying to get rewards. A month and a week have gone by. These two are like jerk offs. This is not. You should be able to catch these idiots.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're really good at eluding police. Evidently they really are.

[James Pietragallo]

And apparently too they can't get a reward that they want. They have a goal of a $25,000 reward and they've only raised $12,500.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How hard is it to find a 77 Impala too? How many of those are on the road in 1997?

[James Pietragallo]

Not a lot. Not only that, if you're one of these local businesses, wouldn't it behoove you to have these two people that are scaring the shit out of the tourists caught? I'd be ponying up for this fucking reward.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I mean you could probably start at every auto parts store between there and every in the country.

[James Pietragallo]

They're. Yeah, they're definitely going to need a couple of things. Distributor cap over here and fucking spark plugs over here. So stop the violence. A reward fund designed to encourage tips that could lead to catching these two fucking idiots has stalled at $12,500.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Shit.

[James Pietragallo]

So they said our goal is $25,000. One local business is hoping to boost the fund by hosting hoops for help. So they'll have a bunch of people playing basketball and they said we'll sell hot dogs and soda for $1.50 with all the proceeds going to the fund. We'll also have a basketball hoop up and if someone wants to, they can take five shots at the basket. If they make it, we'll give them tokens for it. Like for the grocery store, I guess or something. Interesting. So that's what's going on. Then the next week, August 28th, they got it up to $13,000.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

They said we netted $700 in the last week. So they have $13,200 raised.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's a lot of money too back then.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, they made 500 on hoops for help or whatever it was. So that's nice. They said that the event brought in $358. Another thing they did here and they said, I wish we had better news for the victims families, but here's the money you'd quote. You do what you can do hoops for help.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How about money for murderers? Let's catch. There's two people dead on the beach.

[James Pietragallo]

Cash for killers. Yeah, cash for killers. Got a ring to it. The k's and everything. The K sound. Then they said again, they said the goal is to raise 25,000. Now they got up to between 14 and 15,000 by September. So it's very slowly getting toward 25,000. If they're on the lam another year, they might raise the money.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Might get there.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, might get there. Now, about the reward, the police chief said the only way they'll get it is If I have McAllister and Price in my hands. So it's, I got to be caught here. They have to be caught. A local business is taking the Chamber's urgings to heart by putting together a fundraiser for more money here to do this. So they're trying their best. August 14, 1997, though there's an article here that says manhunt reaches lull. That's a bad word, lull.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

They have nothing. They're both charged with two counts of aggravated murder and they've been missing a month now. So. Yeah. One of the police department people said, we have received no leads, no phone calls, nothing. We have no idea where they are. No one. And the FBI is looking for them too. No one can find them. The family hires a private investigator. Wow. I believe Frank Nims family hired a private investigator and he said he hopes that. That the police will pool resources with him. That's all. He's like, I'm trying myself. They have a couple of leads. One of them was one of the mothers came forward and said she believed her son had headed for Idaho, where his father lived. That's Brad Price's mother. Investigators had no way to know if they drove, flew, stepped on a cruise pre 9 11. You didn't need to have done anything. You could slip by the airport with a fake name. You can have a shitty fake id. They don't care.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You can't go to Idaho though, when all you have is a 50 round mag. You are the least armed person.

[James Pietragallo]

No, you're a pussy there. Yeah. They won't even let you join a militia with that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He may as well be unarmed. For fuck's sake, get out of there.

[James Pietragallo]

Good Lord. So we don't know if they're carrying false IDs and they said. Then some rumors started to fly. The more time there is, the more bomb. People will start to fester like a boil and a sore and they'll figure out weird rumors. They start saying, okay, Gabrielle, Goza, Brooke here There's a whole theory that the murders weren't random, but they were actually something. That someone had tried to abduct Brooke for ransom because her family is prominent, and it went wrong. So that was a big rumor around town. But everybody, don't worry. Everything is fine. The cops have a laptop now, so they're gonna solve it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, great.

[James Pietragallo]

Huge article talking about how now they have a laptop. Literally, I swear to Christ.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They got a ThinkPad, you guys.

[James Pietragallo]

They wish they had a ThinkPad. They got a fucking Dell and it's bad. Probably. They said future large scale investigations could be less time consuming now that Costco of Warrenton has donated a $2,500 laptop computer to the police department. Which, by the way, that didn't even get you that much computer back then. Oh, boy. That was a cheap laptop. $2,500 back then. Then the district attorney said not all agencies can afford to have laptops.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No, they can't.

[James Pietragallo]

I sleep in a race car bed. Do you sleep in a race car bed? That's generally what they're saying there. No, I sleep in a big bed with my wife. Okay. So they said, yeah, that's how that's gonna work. And they said they're very excited. They've logged many hours investigating the murders. And this laptop is really gonna make the difference.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We're passing it around. Everybody gets a chance.

[James Pietragallo]

It's like the Stanley Cup. Everyone gets to take it home for a day or two on the whole team. Take your picture with it, put it next to them, take it out to the bar, let everybody drink out of it. Then America's Most Wanted comes along.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Here we go. Call them names. Let's do it.

[James Pietragallo]

They say America's Most Wanted will likely air an episode profiling the suspects this Saturday. Though its broadcast isn't set in stone, the show's publicist said a film crew from America's Most Wanted recently spent the better part of a day inside Seaside gathering material for an upcoming episode. They said unlike some America's Most Wanted segments, next Week's focus on McAllister and Price will be presented as a news package rather than the whole reenactment thing. Remember, they would just do, like the this here. Look out for these guys. But they wouldn't do a whole reenactment.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Here's five scumbags that we want you to catch.

[James Pietragallo]

Exactly. So quick. Yeah, they gotta go through them quick. America's Most Wanted, they said, receives information regarding 150 to 300 cases a week. So how do they decide which cases to do how? Like to really profile and do the reenactment? Well, staff consider a suspect's criminal history in order to determine his or her potential danger to others. When deciding which case to broadcast, priority is given to fugitives, quote, who pose an extreme threat to society. I think these two. Killing people for no fucking reason, still having a 50 round fucking magazine in their possession. I would say they. They fall pretty square under that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And could be fucking anywhere.

[James Pietragallo]

And could be anywhere, I would say. So they said. But such as serial murderers or anyone who seems poised to begin a killing spree, these two seem like the perfect candidates for a killing spree.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They literally started and they're on the run. Making them desperate, making them more dangerous.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. Thank God they didn't read about Henry Lee Lucas. They'd have been shot. 50 people along the way. Yeah. Wow. So the television show aired a 10 second spot on McAllister and Price three weeks ago. Although the segment only generated a handful of phone responses. About four or five. The publicist said. All it takes is one. We actually caught a guy with just one phone call once and we've been talking about it constantly since. Never shut up about never. So Frank Nims Sr. Spent $2,500 out of his pocket for a private investigator. Which is a lot of money back then too. You know what I mean? Out of pocket for doing that. And then at the same time, once the PI didn't do anything or couldn't crack the case, I should say he hired a psychic even.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh boy.

[James Pietragallo]

No leads really came of anything from the psychic either. Shocking. I know. Everybody catch your breath that you're trying to. I think I'm psychic.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I knew that.

[James Pietragallo]

You knew that, right? See, Someone should hire you. It's good. I might have a little bit of it too. Hire me too. Hire us. We're a psychic team. I come to your house. Psychic duo, which sounds cooler. Yeah, I like that. So October 97, they're still gone.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

Still? Their car is found.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

The car is found. But they made it. The car is found. They comb for clues in the cars. It is abandoned in Southern Baja California, which is fucking Mexico. It's the piece that comes down from San Diego all the way down like Rosarito and all that shit in it. They made it to the southern tip of Baja in this car.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They made it to the tip of

[James Pietragallo]

the peninsula, all the way down to the bottom of Baja. That's where the car was found parked. So February 1998. It's been over six months. This is insanity. Now, they said that the FBI is involved. Now they know they're in Mexico based on the car. But they said basically the trail went cold at the border. Can't find anything. July 16, 1998.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

A year and two days since the murders. Big article suspects remain at large. A $55,000 reward, which now they have, has failed to lead to the arrest of Brad and Jesse, which is fucking crazy. Wow.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nobody in Mexico heard about this reward because it feels like somebody down there might be like, that's a lot of money.

[James Pietragallo]

These two fucking gringos. We can cash in on these idiots fast. Also, they have a memorial here. Some friends remember the victims on the year anniversary as well. Brooke's mom said, my daughter was everything to me and her two children. Her loss has caused indescribable grief and loneliness. And so she also said, please accept my sincere appreciation for every word of encouragement and your prayers. So many of us will never stop loving brooke. So finally, July 18, 1998, a couple days later than that. Wow. 8:00am A guy comes walking across the border near Brownsville back into America in Texas with a duffel bag. Now, a customs official noted that normal people ride a bus or take a cab or something. They don't haul luggage across the on foot at that hour. Normally it just doesn't. So he's stuck out to them. So a customs agent basically here flagged him down, talked to him and decided to check the bag he was carrying and sent him over to another agent. So this turned out to be McAllister. McAllister was there. So they found out who he was. They found his identification. They realized he's a. A super wanted fugitive. And he's arrested just McAllister, just him. He's flown back on a commercial flight, which was fun for the other people on the flight, just sitting in coach, hanging out. They land in Portland and then drive over and they stick him in the Clatsop County Jail. A reporter from the Daily Historian got to his older brother, Josh. Josh here. And asked him about it. And Josh said, this year has been hell and it isn't getting any better as far as right now goes. That's what his brother said. Now we're gonna have to deal with all this shit.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Now it's got worse.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. He described his relationship with Jesse McAllister as extremely close. He said he's glad the arrest was peaceful and he's glad his brother hadn't been taken by force or harmed. The two had spoken by phone on Sunday when he was in jail in Texas and He said hearing his brother's voice was nice, even though it was under those circumstances. And he said he's scared for his brother.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sure.

[James Pietragallo]

So where the fuck is Brad Price?

[Jimmy Wissman]

What the fuck, Brad?

[James Pietragallo]

Two days later, at a nightclub in Mexico City, which is nowhere near the border, by the way.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's down at the tip.

[James Pietragallo]

That is way down there. Two days later, at a fucking nightclub in Mexico City, Price is arrested. They found him.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

They were looking for him. They picked him out. Yeah, somebody probably snitched him out or something. But they were living in an apartment together they had shared for a while. And then, I guess McAllister decided he wanted to go back. Mexican authorities take him into custody. And then, of course, they do the deportation stuff because he's wanted and everything like that. So they hand him over to US custody. The problem is Mexico will not hand him over until they agree. The prosecution in Oregon agrees to not seek the death penalty because that's what all civilized countries do. Not saying Mexico's the most civilized country. I'm just saying every European country does that. Every country, pretty much any country you think of as civilized does that. Except for us. We're like, we'll only give them back to you if you promise to kill us. Him. So it's funny. Anyway, they hand him over. They make that deal, and no capital punishment. So they stick them in two different jails. Brad and Jesse, they stick them in there, they said, because many of the other inmates at the Clatsop County Jail had personally known either Brooke or Frank, which why the fuck do they know everybody in jail?

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

Half the jail population knows these two, apparently, which Frank was in jail. So that makes sense. Yes. The answer is yes. Also, like parole, people who own restaurants get workers from parole. That's what they do. Because they know they'll show up every day as if they don't have to. They get fired. Yeah. Anthony Bourdain, in his book, said he loved hiring people on parole because they show up, they have to.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They got no choice.

[James Pietragallo]

They need that job. It's better than prison.

[Jimmy Wissman]

If they don't show up here, they

[James Pietragallo]

go back and they're in trouble, they're going somewhere. So apparently they said that the sheriff said that many inmates were yelling that they would get him if they could get these guys, if they could. There was two credible death threats against both suspects. The jail had no way to keep them in protective isolation at once. Two people. They only had one person working of ability to do that. So within days, McAllister was moved to the Polk County Jail in Dallas, Oregon. Dallas and Milwaukee. And Price was moved to the Tillamook County Jail. So now Price is going to do a lot of talking.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Would we like to know what the fuck happened that day?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Why was he. Yeah, what the fuck?

[James Pietragallo]

Well, let's find out what went on here. Okay. 2:00am McAllister and Price, they had spent half the night bar hopping. Well, this is because their TV broke. So we're jumping the gun. Their TV broke, so they decided to go out to a bar and get some drinks. Okay.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So they were doing that with an underage kid?

[James Pietragallo]

With an underage kid, yeah. So they're going bar hopping. So they did that. Then they went home. The TV broke, and then the TV was broke. So they, quote, got bored. As you do. It's the middle of the night too.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Go to bed.

[James Pietragallo]

How about go to bed? Exactly.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Solve this problem tomorrow at a pawn

[James Pietragallo]

shop, make 30 pizza rolls, eat them all and go to sleep. I do it. It's great. You'll never feel better if you eat 30 pizza rolls and then go to sleep.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And 22 and 19. They don't even know what. What fucking indigestion is yet.

[James Pietragallo]

Fuck no. They're gonna wake up. The pepperoni ones you eat too. Those are the best ones. And then you wake up feeling like a million bucks.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They've never felt heartburn in their lives.

[James Pietragallo]

So McAllister said he dropped a suggestion. He said that let's go out and look for someone to kill. Jesse said that, apparently. And Jesse backs that up, too. That was his idea. Price said that when they set out for the beach, he knew that McAllister had brought a backpack. And he knew what was in the backpack, which is the loaded calico 9 millimeter. So Brad gets into the car knowing that he had a gun and all that. They first stop at Delray Beach. That's the first place they stop at. But it's completely deserted, totally empty. It's three in the morning, so makes sense. Nobody to kill. So they got back into the car and drove to the beach at Seaside instead, where they knew there'd be people. So about 4am they come upon three young people at a bonfire on the sand. This isn't the two people we talked about earlier. This is the three. Their names are Carrie Ann Barkey, Amy Eckroth, and Kevin Westrick. So two young ladies and a young man you come across. Kev's doing okay out there on that beach. This is the bonfire group here. Okay. And they're young, so they're teenagers. All of them, like 18, 19, that age. So apparently a couple of them are cousins, whatever. They're sitting around in a fire smoking cigarettes and talking like you do. McAllister and Price walked up to them and introduced themselves using fake names. Number one, they talked for about a half hour. Barkey, the one Carrie Ann Barkey said she didn't worry when McAlister told them that he had a badge and a gun in his bag. She thought it was a sarcastic reply to a joke by her cousin that she was the beach police and wanted to seize the fake identification they had. Her cousin made a joke because they said, where were you guys tonight? Blah, blah, blah. They have fake IDs. I'm the beach police. I'm gonna take those. They were joking then. According to Carrie Ann Barkey, McAllister took it a weird place. He started bringing up a conversation that sounded like it had started prior to stopping at our campfire. He started talking about a notion. They kept bringing up the word notion. I got a notion. I got a notion. Notions kept coming up, which sounds like a bad 80s singles bar, come down to notions. They put like phones on the table, where you call another table, one of those like in that Jim Carrey movie, one spittin. So. So it's awful. So they're sitting there and they thought it was weird notion. Why they keep talking about a notion. And it was just Jesse and Brad talking about it. And they would ignore the group and talk amongst each other about this notion. So it was really weird. Now, the word notion. Brad would later say, quote, he was thinking about killing someone. That was the notion. That's what that meant. Essentially. McAllister kept bringing it back up again. So this Carrie Ann Barkey said, what the fuck are you talking about? Why do you keep saying notion? What does that mean? McAllister's answer here is, quote, you'll find out as soon as I'm done with this cigarette. So she said that scared her, this young lady. That's just the way he said it was scary. Meanwhile, while all this is going on, Price is like. Like bringing up other things. Brad Price asked McAllister, you want to go to the liquor store or back to the apartment? Let's get more booze. Should we go to the liquor store or the apartment to get the booze? So they think maybe that was a. He was trying to get. He was trying to get McAllister out of here right now. Then McAllister kept asking price what he thought about the notion. So what about that notion and Price's answer? Was that he was taking precautions. I'm taking precautions. What about the notion I'm taking precautions? To which at one point, McAlister said back to him in front of the group, quote, what precautions are there to take? It's perfect. There's no one around. It's dark. There's no one on the beach. So what precautions are there to take? Oh, boy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Now he's just saying shit out loud because it doesn't matter if they hear it, because he's. He wants to kill these people.

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely. So Price and McAlister, they're talking to each other, and Barkey said it was, quote, almost like we weren't even there. He kept persisting about the motion, the notion. Price responded to, there's no one around. It's the beach. Price responded, we're too close to the prom. The promenade.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Promenade, right.

[James Pietragallo]

People can hear. So Barkey said that she again asked what was going on, and McAlister said, quote, I'll tell you when I'm done with my cigarette. She said, he said it very mean and coldly. McAllister then got mad at Brad and said, are you scared? You're scared, aren't you? Or is it that there's only two. There's two. Only two of us and three of them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God.

[James Pietragallo]

Are you a pussy? Basically. You afraid they're gonna take us or something? Yeah. So at that point, Barkey said she got the distinct impression that McAllister was challenging Price. He was trying to, you know, like she did. What are you? Pussy?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. She's got some pretty good street smarts there. It's very obvious what's happening.

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely. Anybody with any street smarts will start to feel this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Remember in Deadwood when Joanie was explaining to the new prostitute how to know when things are going wrong? You got to feel the electricity in the air. When you feel that, get the fuck out of there. You have to have that. You have to, or else stay in your house.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It there's three of them and only two of us, I'd look around and go, wait a minute.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, what are we talking about? Do you want to fuck us or kill us? Which one is it? It's one of the two.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. I got a feeling Kev over here is not safe.

[James Pietragallo]

God damn. Yeah, exactly. Then out of nowhere, McAllister turns to them and says, you guys don't have to worry about being robbed.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh.

[James Pietragallo]

They're like, okay. Yeah. That's interesting. When asked, Barkey said she was pretty sure McAllister was looking to do something bad. When they asked about Price, she said, maybe, I wasn't sure. She said McAllister appeared to be challenging Price, saying, are you scared? Are you scared? Although there's only two of us. Then said, don't you worry, I'm going to rob you. Her older cousin whispered to her that they should leave. I guess I was just so scared I didn't want to move. I thought it would cause trouble. But they decided to get up and walk away. Now, Price says this himself that he stood up and pointed it out to McAlister going, Look, they're leaving, okay? And McAlister then said to Price, you better make your decision quickly. And they heard them. The bonfire group heard that. And he put his hand inside the backpack where his gun was. Eh, how about it? You want me to grab it or not? Which is very weird. During one of the moments before they got up, Price walked around the group and stood behind the one man in the group too. Kevin the boy. I don't know why he did that, but he did that for a while. So this guy slipped off his coat's hood to see him better. Like, why is this dude behind me? What the fuck? So they're walking away in the dark and Price doesn't say anything. He just points to them and that's it. But they did hear McAllister say to Price, quote, I'm very disappointed in you. You're three years younger than me. Go fuck yourself. What are you talking about, disappointed in me? Thanks, dad. So, yeah, so they said at no point did Price say anything like, leave these people alone, we don't have to do this. It just seemed like he was hedging and didn't know what to do here. Price and McAllister were smoking Camel cigarettes and had shared some with Barkey and her cousin. So police found cigarette butts of the same brand and everything by the bonfire as they found next to the bodies of Frank or of Casey and Brooke. So at that point, after the bonfire, group breaks up, the boys decided to walk home. McAllister and Price, they just decided to walk home. On their way home, near the promenade, they found a couple sitting on the walkway there along the walkway, it's a man and a woman. The local tavern's let out and everything, and it's Casey and Brooke and they were just out hanging out, waiting for the sun to come up. So Casey asked Jesse and Brad, do you guys have any weed? As they walk by, because it's the middle of the night and good chance maybe somebody does. McAllister said, no. So Casey says, ah, come on, don't be stingy. I don't know you. First of all,

[Jimmy Wissman]

don't be stingy is a fascinating. Don't hang on to all the weed that you've purchased. Share it with a stranger.

[James Pietragallo]

Share it with me. This guy that's just sitting here that you'll never see again.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

Whenever anybody tries that shit with me, like on the streets and cities that we're touring and stuff, I'm immediately, go fuck yourself.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm fuck you.

[James Pietragallo]

You got to get aggressive with people.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Find your weed.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. These are like homeless people that are doing it too. It's like, I will give you $5. I'll get whatever. Don't fucking tell me. I'm not giving you weed. Fuck you. Get your own weed.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Don't call me.

[James Pietragallo]

I'll give you your own joint, but I'm not giving you a hit off my joint. That ain't happening.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm not putting this in your mouth.

[James Pietragallo]

No, I'm not putting it in anybody's mouth. I don't know. It's not even. Don't take it personal.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I just saw something recently that was. The guy was sharing a joint with, put it in his knuckles and took a hit out of his fist. I've never seen that before.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, that's like some old school weird shit when you want to look like a fucking lunatic. Who. Who either. That's just crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This is a very interesting choice. All right, well, you don't trust me now. That felt more insulting than taking. I understand taking care of yourself, but that's part of the. What do you think that's part of

[James Pietragallo]

the community of Smoking a joint, though, is part of it is. It's like back in the day when they all pass something around to drink or whatever. It's a thing that we're all in this together. So when you go, then you're not in this with me now. You're just. You're just smoking my weed even though you think I'm diseased. You

[Jimmy Wissman]

why? Right? And I get the Kenny Powers. Like, you don't know what I have either, but it's like, I don't know, man. I handed you my joint.

[James Pietragallo]

I was.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm on board with it.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Obviously, I'm okay with you putting your

[Jimmy Wissman]

face on your fist and told me go myself.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Might as well.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Of.

[James Pietragallo]

God damn. So that's what's going on. Don't be stingy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Then McAllister stops after the stingy comment, turns to Price and says, you want to smoke a Bowl. Oh, so that he knows that they have weed, too. So they don't have any weed, by the way.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No weed, no bowls.

[James Pietragallo]

No bowls. So he said, do you want to smoke a bowl? What he's really asking is, would you like to kill these people? He's asking Price, apparently. So according to this, Price said, yes, let's smoke a bowl. Knowing that neither of them have any weed. And Price would later say he knew what he was agreeing to. He knew that this had nothing to do with weed. He knew that McAlister intended to murder them. And he said he knew that the second he offered up the weed that he didn't have, he said he knew he was going to kill those people. So they're now walking somewhere away from the promenade and the hotels to smoke the weed, as you used to have to do. And they said, quote, there's a little swing set there. That's where the deed took place. That's what the sergeant said by the swing set. So they walked toward the swing set in the dark. As they walked, at some point, Casey Nims said, do you actually have any weed? Like, where are we going? What's going on? You haven't whipped anything out. What's going on? And then Price said, no, okay. So that everybody just stopped and Casey and Brooke were like, okay, well, we're not going any further than. Where the fuck are we going? What are we doing? McAllister pulls the gun out at that point. Now, this is fucking amazing. And Brooke is a badass, okay? This is ballsy. Like a fucking. A seasoned Hell's angel wouldn't do this. This is crazy, okay? He whips the gun out, is pointing it at them. Brooke, rather than cower or do anything like that, she charges at him and kicks him in the chest. This is a crazy looking gun, too. This isn't a little gun, she said, and attacked him. She charged him and kicked the motherfucker, which is. That's a bad bitch. I like her a lot.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She's. Again, you take her home. She's faced challenges before. This ain't shit.

[James Pietragallo]

This ain't shit. It's at that point when she kicks him, the gun goes off. Oh, okay. She fell to the ground believing she'd been shot, which is what people do even when they're shot or whether they're not shot. On tv, you see people get shot and fall down. So people get shot and fall down because they think they're supposed to. Even if they're fine, even if they could get up and walk away. I think that's what it is.

[Jimmy Wissman]

A lot of times when you're shot, you don't even know that you're shot. So a noise of a shot, you may think, fuck, I'm hit, and then fell. Yeah, right.

[James Pietragallo]

But it's a psychological thing that they say is it's a learned behavior of getting shot and falling down. If you know you got shot, you fall down because you think that's what you're supposed to do. Even though most of the time you could stay up unless it hit a major artery or nerve or something. Otherwise, yeah, you're fine for the most part. You could walk it off. Not walk it off, but walk away from it. So the gun went off. She fell down believing she'd been shot. So now there's a long second here where, guess what, the gun's jammed.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right?

[James Pietragallo]

Yes. McAllister's trying to clear the jam. Now Brooke is down but alive and fine, and Casey's still standing there. And this is just a long, big second. What do you do in this second? You know what I mean? So Casey, at that point, rather than turning and run away, he thought Brooke was shot. So he goes to try to help her, which is. I mean, he probably could have. He might have been able to get away if he just turned and ran away, but he was trying to help his friend.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's what we're learning to do of. Take care of somebody injured, especially a woman.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what you do. Especially a woman. Especially a woman 10 years younger than you. You know, it's just a thing. So it's at that point that Price keeps Brooke from getting away while McAllister clears the thing. So this is where Price actually has some active participation in this. He basically stands over her, keeps her down, keeps her from running while it happens. So McAllister clears the jam, steps over Brooke, who's being held down by Brad, and shoots Frank or Casey in the head while he was standing. One shot, front of the head. Drops him. Okay. McAllister later said, I figured Price would back me up, back me up if she tried to go anywhere. Meaning Brooke.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay. Price was still leaning over, still leaning over Brooke after Casey was killed. So McAllister had to nudge Brad Price out of the way with his elbow to be able to shoot Brooke.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

So moved him off. He leaned down and shot her in the head as she laid down in the cell. Pussy. Total pussy shit. Shoot a woman while she's laying in the fucking sand. Like, that's just pathetic. Give her a chance to kick you again. How about that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This whole event is garbage.

[James Pietragallo]

It's all garbage. Yeah. This is garbage. These two are garbage people. So Brad did that. Brad watches this whole thing. These two people are dead, shot in the head. They're standing there. Brad Price turns to McAllister and said, Mexico doesn't sound bad this time of year. Because they had talked about that, because they watched in cold blood.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're in a lot of trouble now.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So before leaving, they stop at the store. They leave the beach. Shot people in the head. They stop at the store, at Herb's Quick Mart to buy a couple of lighters, a couple of Bix cigarette lighters. The clerk is a friend of McAllister's and knew him. And McAlister looked. Looked over and he said, quote, I just shot two people on the beach.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay. Then he starts making phone calls. That's what's fucking amazing. McAllister repeatedly, by the way, on these phone calls. We don't know if this is true and he's trying to take Brad off the hook or if he wants people to. He wants all the credit for it. I'm not sure.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

You never know with a kid like this. A kid like this. He just said, it's all me. He said, whatever you hear. Brad had nothing to do with it. He told one of the people, he's

[Jimmy Wissman]

not as tough as I am.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what I mean. I don't know if it's him being like, hey, listen, I'll take the rap for this one, or if it's him being like, I'm the badass. Brad's a pussy. Don't listen to him. Then he said, I'm leaving town, and you'll know why in the morning. He tells somebody else. Then the just for the hell of it line of, why'd you kill those people? Brad's mom does not believe any of this, by the way. They're in custody. He has admitted all of it. Jesse's told the story. They have all the physical evidence, but she says, I don't think so.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Not my boy.

[James Pietragallo]

No. She insisted there's no way her son was capable of this kind of violence. She said, we were on a hunting trip as a kid. He couldn't even shoot a deer. No way. HD did. He killed this guy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Probably just can't shoot something that far away.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So McAllister and Price's journals, they find, by the way, sections of which were admitted into evidence later on, show a real interwoven relationship between the pair, and they really affected each other a Lot. Basically, Price influenced McAllister to write poetry and to read books. McAllister's not. It's kind of like what I try to do with you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm pretty good at encouraging.

[James Pietragallo]

Including Ken Kesey's sometimes a great notion. Ken Kesey wrote One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, and he formed the Merry Pranksters group, which is a really interesting group from the 60s to look up. And he also got busted for just a quick thing. He got busted for possession of marijuana, which was a big deal in the early 60s, and he faked his own death by, like, throwing his van off a cliff and shit, and faked his own death and went to, like, Paraguaguay for, like, two years before he came back. Like, this guy's an awesome character, man. Great character.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is that illegal?

[James Pietragallo]

Yes, very.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Faking your own death?

[James Pietragallo]

Yes, it is illegal to fake your own death. Especially that way, I think. I don't know if it's illegal. Like, it's the things you do to fake your own death that make it illegal.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Makes it fraud.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So McAllister called Price his best friend and all that. Also, the guy who sold the gun to them called them a team. They seem like a team. So. March 1999. Will McAlister plea? There's a thing of whether he's going to make a plea deal now. Brooks mother, Gloria Gueritz, said, quote, I think it's kind of obvious he'll be entering a plea. She says she absolutely and consistently opposes the death penalty. She said what they do with him in the flesh is irrelevant. Oh, fair enough. He is going to plead guilty. McAlister, Jesse McAlister, pleads. Basically, the reason why he pleads, and this is a big. We don't know if this is true or not, but we're pretty sure during a year on the run, apparently people, relatives and parents had sent him money and helped him, which is aiding, abetting, and abetting a fucking fugitive at that point. So basically, they said, people believe, and we don't know if that's true, but people believe that this is the chip that they use to plea bargain with him, is if you don't plead, then

[Jimmy Wissman]

we're gonna take your mom, too.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. We're gonna arrest the rest of you if we put you all on trial.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Well, there's also plenty.

[James Pietragallo]

If you plea, everybody's off the hook.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There's also the fact that he went across the border at Brownsville, so we can kill you if you don't plea.

[James Pietragallo]

That's. Yeah, that's the other thing. So, yeah, you're not. Yeah. The death penalty's on the table for this, but they're not going to use the death penalty. They don't want the death penalty here because they feel like later on it will be an appeals point. First of all, you can't get him to plead guilty if you have the death penalty on the table, number one.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right. That's my point. He took the plea because death penalty's on the table.

[James Pietragallo]

Second, if Price, then he's not going to get the death penalty because that's been negotiated. Later on the other one here, McAllister could use that in appeals, saying it was disproportionate because his partner got this and he got that. So that's what I think they're trying to avoid, too. He pleads guilty to two counts of aggravated murder.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's not good.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay. During the thing, he has to do an allocution. That's part of it, too. There's. There are deals with this as part of the deals. No parole and no appeals. He's not allowed to appeal. He got the Bryan Kohberger deal. No appeals, no fucking anything. You go in there and shut the fuck up forever. No hearing from you. For the family, they said, great, he's gone forever. Good deal. The victim's family.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Throw the Maya culpa out there, huh?

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. He said, in the early morning hours of July 4, 1997, I was walking on the beach near the promenade in Seaside. There I met Ms. Goza and Mr. Nims together. We walked away from the sand dunes. I intentionally shot Mr. Nims in the head while he was standing. I then shot Ms. Goza in the head while she lay in the sand. Now, during the impact statements here from the family man, Don, who is Casey's brother, said, casey was my brother, my friend, my fishing buddy, my helper. I'm never going to see him again. There are no words that can describe our pain, frustration and anger. At least you'll never be able to cause harm to another family. I have satisfaction in my heart knowing when I see my brother again in heaven, Jesse won't be there. You won't be there, McAllister.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's pretty good.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. During this, McAllister lowered his eyes to what Don Nims then said, I've wanted to look you right in the eye and say, and do a lot more to you than I'm allowed. Then Frank Nims said, the father said, you took them just for the hell of it. He said, I want you to rot in hell is also what the dad Said Casey's kids both testified too, here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's right.

[James Pietragallo]

Because now his son is 17, his daughter's like 13. His daughter said, I'm the 13 year old daughter of Frank Nims. I used to think nothing terrible would happen. When I found out about my dad, all of my hopes and dreams for a normal future were destroyed. How could anyone commit such a sinister crime? I hope Jesse McAllister has the rest of his life to think about the pain he has caused. And then called him a monster.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, wait, that's a great point. As a child, you think that. I mean, you're just. You don't even consider this.

[James Pietragallo]

No. What do you consider? Adults know what they're doing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Yeah. And your dad just is murdered on the beach in the middle of the night.

[James Pietragallo]

Crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

If it can happen to him, it can happen to me. And I'm 12 and I now know

[James Pietragallo]

that now I'm terrified because he was strong. He was the guy I looked at as the protector. She also said, at least my father went to heaven. When you die and meet your maker, you better hope he's a lot more forgiving than I am.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, fuck.

[James Pietragallo]

That's a good one.

[Jimmy Wissman]

From a kid that's a vicious 13 year old.

[James Pietragallo]

Then the lost person in all this, Casey's fiance.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, Bonnie.

[James Pietragallo]

This poor woman, she said, you took away a loving man. And she also said to rot in hell as well. That seems to be a theme that's going on very.

[Jimmy Wissman]

For that,

[James Pietragallo]

Brooke's mom said, jesse, you crushed so many hearts and lives. As a result, I am living dead. I died with Brooke. And she said, brooke will live every hour of every day in my heart. Then the prosecution says, and they're closing, his family will be able to come and visit him. Him. The murder victims did nothing to deserve what happened to them. Then Jesse says some shit to the family. He says, I know how my words must ring hollow in your ears. And my voice may lack emotions I'd like to portray, but please realize what I say now comes from the heart. I do not know the words that could express the remorse and sorrow I feel for the pain I've caused. Though my actions have not only hurt Nims, but and Goza families, but Bradley and my own as well. Please accept my most sincere apologies. Nothing I could say or do would restore what I've taken from you. I just pray someday you'll find it in your heart to forgive me. The judge says, your considerable actions caused considerable pain to many people. The families are gonna continue to suffer every day. You Said may fuck off. Two consecutive life sentences, no parole, no appeals.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's pretty good.

[James Pietragallo]

Not bad. Trying to keep them. I would say so. When asked if he forgave McAllister, Dr. Goza said, who knows? I have a lot of bad thoughts, but it's time to put that behind us. You can't change what happened now. Don Nims, the brother, is a little more set on his. He said, no way in my mind am I ever going to forgive him. I wanted to see the pictures of the people's lives he took and remember I remembered him. To remember that the rest of his stinking life. Okay, 1999 is Brad Price's trial, and he opts for a bench trial.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is that right?

[James Pietragallo]

Which makes sense because this jury is gonna. Juries are gonna think how scary that is, that it's random and like, that's very scary. And a judge might have a little more perspective on the whole thing. So, yeah. Now, during this trial here, he's charged with two counts of aggravated murder. He faces the same maximum sentence. You never know, or he could get life with parole. Will McAlister testify here? Both sides said they intend to call McAlister as a witness during the trial, but they don't know if he'll actually testify or just take the Fifth, because that's not part of the deal, is that he has to testify. So they don't know. They said if he doesn't speak, they're gonna try to use his videotaped interview where he told everything to the police instead. The moms sit together. His mother and Brooke's mother sit together. What? Yes. Gloria Goritz and Pat Westling, they sit together. They go in together. They sit together. And they both lost a child.

[Jimmy Wissman]

James.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Brooks's mother said we have to be bigger than that. We have to set a good example, which is very mature. Very mature. The prosecution here scoff at the claim that Brad was a mere observer in the beach, because that's the defenses. He was just an observer. The other guy did everything, basically, so he said. Bradley Price was no observer in this case. He bought the gun, he bought the ammunition. He was, in fact, the brains of the operation. They also say that it was inspired by repeated viewings of In Cold Blood, and they set out to kill somebody. It was a premeditated conspiracy to commit murder. Although, ironically, of nobody in particular. It was a desire to have some sort of experience. Bradley Price was kneeling beside her with his hand on her. Mr. Price was right there, right over Brooke Goza. A brook goes that didn't have a chance of living. Then they talk about they fled to Mexico. Which shows even more of his guilt, that he would flee to Mexico. His attorney here. Or that the district attorney contends that Price helped his friend carry out and plan this whole thing. The defense said he was only kneeling over Brooke to tell her that she hadn't been shot. He was just trying to. He was doing a medical suite. Yeah, just a quick bullet. He found no shots, nothing. He said, in fact, he did everything in his power to stop these murders from occurring. He described his client as a somewhat unique individual who was passive, nonviolent, and actually called a peacemaker by his friends. He said that the teens at the bonfire will testify that Price was trying to talk McAllister into simply going home. He said every single one of those three people, every single one, say Mr. Price continued to try to talk Mr. McAlister into leaving. He tried to talk him out of doing anything. And he said the guy who sold the gun to them insisted on handing it to Price because he knew McAlister couldn't legally own a gun because of his youth. He said, so this was all for McAllister. Ninety minutes after the bodies were found, McAllister called his friend to tell him, whatever you hear, Brad had nothing to do with it, and the shootings were for the hell of it. He goes, so that's coming from McAllister. He said that Price feels morally responsible for not stopping Mr. McAlister. But that's not legal responsible. That's what he said. Yeah, that's what the lawyer said. He said Price went to the beach not thinking anything bad would happen, although McAllister had previously talked of killing someone. And Price testified or said to the police in a statement in the affidavit that he knew what McAllister wanted to do. He said McAllister pulled the gun. Nim started to walk away. A scuffle ensued. She ran up and kicked him. A shot was accidentally discharged. And this is the defense attorney saying, Goza said she was hit and yelled, I was shot in the eye. I was shot in the eye. Price went over to comfort her and told her, you're not shot. And then gently patted her on the head. Then he got her a snow cone. No, this is ridiculous.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Well, his friend shot her in the face, you know.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. That's all. So he said that Price panicked and decided to flee with McAllister. He said, Bad decision, no question. I'll give you that one. Bad times. So this is insane here. They start talking about the notion the Notion of killing someone. And he said Price was just trying to convince McAlister to go home. Price walked around the group and behind Westrick to try to draw McAlister away from the group home. Not as a threat to stand behind the poor guy and creep him out. And Then also Price, McAllister and Eric Menzel, the guy he called in the morning, had gone to Price and McAllister's apartment to watch videos. He said, not killing anyone, watching videos, but when their television broke, that's when they went out bar hopping. The Manziel guy left around 12:30am because he was underage and didn't have any fake ID. So they ended up. Price and McAllister ended up at the beach in Brew. And they hung out. By the way, that is where Gauze and Nims were drinking, too. Oh, they left around 2:30am so they had to have seen them. They had to. McAlister told their friend Manziel that Price was starting to lose it. At one point on the way to Mexico, McAllister told Price, you didn't do anything. I'll turn the car around and bring you back to Seaside if you want. Okay. So they do a tour of the crime scene. A roped off area of about 400 yards here. So they do that. They bring the judge and the lawyers all go down to look at it. They bring witnesses in. Cellmate here of Price, Gary Gottschell, a former cellmate of Price's, was expected to testify here. They did testify. But then Travis William Brumble, an inmate at the jail, testified that Gary Gottschell often voiced threats to kill Price when all three were held in the jail. So that's interesting. This guy testified and then they bring in another guy who says, oh, no, that guy who said that thing, he. He tried to kill Brad. It's interesting. Barbara Higler is a sergeant at the jail. Described finding a toothbrush sharpened into a weapon in Gottschell's cell and said that Gottschel was known for lying and that Brumble was known for telling the truth. And she described Price as a model prisoner.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But he was gonna get it.

[James Pietragallo]

He was gonna get stabbed. Yeah. Brad testifies. Yeah, got nothing to lose here. Nothing to lose. He said that he turned to tell McAllister about Brooke, that she was okay. So Jesse wouldn't continue with this. Like, hey, you didn't shoot her, so you don't have to shoot her. Basically, leave her alone now. He said, I remember thinking if he shot Nims, he was going to kill her next. And I didn't want to be in that direction. The last thing I remember, it's the last thing I remember until running down the beach. He said his first words were to suggest they flee to Mexico, or they did, obviously, here. Price admitted he knew McAllister's intention. When they left the apartment for bar hopping, they said, so you were doing what? And he said, yeah, to look for someone to kill, I guess. Price said, but I didn't take him seriously at all. It just seemed like an absurd idea to me. It didn't seem possible. He said he was the one who suggested they drive to Delray beach, hoping that along the 15 minute drive, the guy would forget about it, not want to do it anymore. He said, plus, Delray beach is empty a lot. So he thought maybe getting there and not seeing anybody, he'd go, all right, fuck it, let's go home.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So he's just saying that he's a talker, but he helped the guy get a gun.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what I mean. He said McAllister parked the car a block away from their apartment and they walked the few blocks to the beach. They walked south to the length of the prom and then headed back. On the half mile walk back. Price said he forgot about McAllister's intentions and the gun in his backpack. So I forgot all about it at that point. We were just hanging out. He said that's when they ran into the tourists at the campsite. And he said McAllister acted friendly at first, but then started talking about this notion. And he said that's when he realized that McAllister hadn't forgotten and that he was actually trying to kill someone. He said, I think he was trying to get me to go along with whatever he was thinking of doing, and I knew I had no intention of killing someone. So he said he purposely argued with McAlister to try to come up with reasons to leave. And he said he walked around the other side of the group to draw McAlister's attention away. Basically when they left, he said McAlister growled and fired a shot off in anger. I thought he'd realized he'd been defeated in his plan to do this, so

[Jimmy Wissman]

he fired a round off at the beach anyway.

[James Pietragallo]

At the beach before? Yeah. When they left, according to him. Now Goza. He also said that Brooke invited them to a party, but Kayce wanted to smoke marijuana. That's what he says. Price. He denied McAllister's testimony that he asked Price if he wanted to smoke with the pair as a cue as to Whether to want to kill them or not, he said. At McAllister's suggestion, the four walked into the dunes. Price said he trailed the group, contradicting McAlister's claim that Price and Nims led now about 1,000ft onto the beach. Price said Nims stopped and asked McAllister, do you actually have weed? Price said, no, which was meant as a. He called a feeble warning about McAllister's plans, like, no, we don't. You should go now, basically. Nims Prince confronted McAllister and said he was leaving. McAllister pulled out the nine mil from the backpack, and he said, with a terrified kind of look in his eyes, he waved it toward the other three. Price said that he and Nims were standing side by side and both took a couple steps backwards. Nims asked if the gun was real, and Price told him it was. That's when Brook charged and kicked McAllister. The gun went off, hitting no one. He said she was laughing and saying she'd been shot in the eye. She's like, I don't think she was laughing. I don't think she was laughing either. He could tell she was alive because she was kicking when she lay on her back. When he saw Goza wasn't hurt, he said he turned to tell McAlister, hoping to, you know, you don't have to kill these people. But he said at that point it was too late and he started shooting people and Mexico came up and that's how everything had to go. Okay, he said, I knew I wasn't going to be heroic and try to take the gun away from him, and I knew he wasn't going to listen to me, but I really didn't believe he would kill anyone. So on cross, they say for that thousand feet every step, you knew Jesse McAlister was intending to kill people, he said, I knew that's what he had on his mind. I didn't believe he was capable of murdering anyone. They were like, I think you did. And also so everything you describe counteracts the physical evidence as well. The direction you guys came from and who was where is. The footprints tell a completely different story as well.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They love to do this, don't they? Criminals like this, they minimize so much.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. He said he has no memory of Brooke being shot, which is pretty significant moment here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You were on top of her, man.

[James Pietragallo]

No shit. They take just a quick trial break here. Brad's parents watched silently as their son was there. As Price was led out of the courtroom, they exchanged a long look. His Father Chuck gave him two thumbs up, doing great. And then his mother said, I quote, absolutely believe in his innocence. He just told you what happened.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And she believes he is innocent.

[James Pietragallo]

She said, it's obvious he was there, but he's not capable of something like this. Then she said, it was wonderful to see him. Wow, that's crazy. She said, this ordeal has been your worst nightmare you've ever had. And not able to wake up. She said, my heart goes out to the families of both victims. We can't lose sight of what happened here. Two people lost their lives. Now, Casey's dad, Frank Sr. Said, fryce is full of shit. He said, he's well rehearsed from his attorneys, the moms. By the way, Goza's mother said, it's all very confusing. I still think he's extremely guilty. He could have done something. Now his mom is standing right next to her and saying. She said, I'm very proud of him. That's all I could say.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What in the fuck?

[James Pietragallo]

The next day, the moms break up.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They had enough of each other.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. Goza's mom said she could no longer sit next to Pat.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, you can't listen to that woman say, I'm so proud of you. She's so confused.

[James Pietragallo]

She said, now I feel Brad is more guilty than Jesse because he had more opportunity to stop the shootings. I don't think Pat, the other mother, could understand my feelings because she's so adamant that he's innocent.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

Anyway, verdict comes in and he is guilty of two counts of aggravated murder. During sentencing, the daughter. I won't read it because it's long and we don't have time, but she read a long fucking letter.

[Jimmy Wissman]

To which daughter? Casey's daughter.

[James Pietragallo]

Little Tasha there. Oh, Jesus, Tasha. Whatever it is, she read him the riot act. Boy, it's fucking good talking about, you've completely ruined our lives. You'll never know how it feels to have your father or mother killed just for the hell of it. I mean, really, really into him. She's good. The defense, they bring out a shrink saying, okay, okay, he's got some problems.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, he does.

[James Pietragallo]

He said that Price has a schizoid personality and becoming involved with McAllister and the murders because of his personality. He was roped up in it, but he can learn from his mistake.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, he's very.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, they said that his personality disorder, which is not schizophrenia. I'm just schizo. I just, you know, whatever makes him rather distant. Not interact with people, not get emotionally involved and have little Sexual interest. He said it's a disorder that starts in the teenage years or early adulthood. He describes people with schizoid personality disorder as vulnerable marks for aggressive and violent people like McAlister. Oh, he said it was almost like McAllister was all Price had. He called McAllister not only a psychopath, but a thrill killer. And he said that he was impressed that McAllister had a very close, loyal relationship with Price. Also said price has an IQ of 125. Really good. Pretty damn good.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Very smart, but impressionable. And not interested in pussy.

[James Pietragallo]

Not interested in pussy? Not interested at all.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's a problem.

[James Pietragallo]

I don't trust any 22 year old who has those traits.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I mean, unless you're interested in.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, you're interested in something, fine.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Go nuts.

[James Pietragallo]

A hole of some kind you need to be chasing. If you're a young man, it doesn't matter who that hole's attached to. But give chasing a hole. He also. They bring in his.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's not necessarily even asexual. It's just uninterested in. I guess that's asexual. Yes.

[James Pietragallo]

If you're not interested in anybody. Yeah. Or yourself. I guess they bring in his high school football coach, friends, family to mitigate for him anyway. You, sir, may fuck off. Two life sentences, consecutive, but 30 year minimum. He is eligible for parole in 30 years, which is 2029, by the way, which is coming very soon.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, no.

[James Pietragallo]

McAllister in prison. He was between the trial and time he pled and then Brad's trial. He was involved in a prison stabilized stabbing. McAllister, he's dangerous. Yep. Absolutely. They said the details of the stabbing were not immediately known, but the consequences were. Because of it, McAlister had to take a six month anger management course and was held in segregation for a long time.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This lifer's in max in just regular ass population, huh?

[James Pietragallo]

That's it. So then he tries something else. He tries to escape, McAllister does. McAllister in prison's still a problem.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's going to be forever.

[James Pietragallo]

He was carrying a note in his pants cuff to his accomplice. He was carrying a note to Brad in his pants cuff when he got caught. It was quickly thwarted when jail officers traced him to the ceiling and ordered him down. During an early evening check, they discovered McAllister, who had been reading alone in the library, was gone. Authorities say his passion path to freedom was blocked by thick concrete walls and locked steel doors. So he crawled around in the ceiling like a desperate gerbil. A desperate gerbil is the best fucking

[Jimmy Wissman]

plan to escape prison was thwarted by prison.

[James Pietragallo]

Like prison walls and such. Bars, walls, you know, all that prison stuff.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It just ran around like a. Like a gerbil.

[James Pietragallo]

What do you say? Like a corner. Like a desperate gerbil. That's amazing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Hysterical. That's amazing.

[James Pietragallo]

In neat print with perfect spelling. McAllister's note said price's lawyers told him that Price hadn't tried to sell me out. And he adds, I hope you know that I'm not trying to tell on you either. Just trying to be friends with his buddy Stealth.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What the fuck?

[James Pietragallo]

Brad appeals. He does a direct appeal. He has a 2008 appeal. Ineffective assistance of counsel. Saying he was denied due process because he was convicted on insufficient evidence. Even though he admitted everything that happened. And yeah, so there you go. And none of that works. 2021, Jesse actually goes to try to file a petition for clemency with the governor. That is the only way. There is no court route for him. He has all of his appeals are gone. The only route he can go is clemency from the governor. And governor not real excited to pardon people who shot people, shot tourists and then fucking or not tourists, but shot people in a tourist area and then fucking fled to Mexico, then stabbed people in prison and tried to escape. Really not a lot to gain politically.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Zero gain. Also nothing. They did it for nothing.

[James Pietragallo]

Nope. They do say this. Jesse was an angry, insecure 19 year old who lashed at others, culminating in him taking the lives of two people. Jesse feels constant remorse for the pain he senselessly inflicted on the victims families and his own family and strives each day to be a better person than he was the day before. Today. He's a caring, friendly man that adults in custody and staff members enjoy being arrested.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay, so stay there.

[James Pietragallo]

Then the DA said, I told them what I believed to be true. And that meant that we would never ever hear from Jesse McAlister again. There'd be no parole hearing, there'd be no appeals. He said he's horrified because he promised the families they'd never have to hear his name again. But he forgot about clemency requests when he did that. And you can't, I guess statutorily you can't block those. So yeah, they said that we're putting a big time opposition to it because we don't want to see the guy out. The new DA says. And Tasha, Tashay, Casey's daughter, said, as I read through this several times, looking and searching for any inclination of remorse or empathy Toward the family. I didn't find anything in there. I found nothing. Apologies. Apologizing for the trauma he's caused and the lifelong devastation that it's caused my family. She did say, though, quote, it didn't take my dreams and ambitions from. Or it didn't take away my dreams and ambitions from coming to fruition. I still worked really hard and got into college and have a really good career. But it definitely makes things a lot more difficult. It did devastate our family and tear my family completely apart. My older brother has never fully recovered from the incident.

[Jimmy Wissman]

God damn it.

[James Pietragallo]

The one on the fishing boat. And Brad. He is at the Snake River Correctional institution looking at 2029 in Idaho. I don't know if they put that in Idaho or there, but they trade prisoners sometimes. Either way, though, that is where he is. They're stuck. And, you know, Brad has a chance of getting out someday.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. If he keeps it together in there.

[James Pietragallo]

If he keeps it together based on his record and everything else and based on being the least less aggressive of the two.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You know what 30 years does for you? It gives you a big window of time to fuck up in. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

And if you don't, a lot of times between 22 and 52, a lot that's in you is burned out.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But 30 years is such a long window. How many times have you fucked up in 30 years and nobody's even watching you? Every day.

[James Pietragallo]

Every day. That's what I mean. So to be able. You get a totally great point. To be able to not get in trouble in prison, you have to really be straight and narrow every day.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You gotta simply try not to get in trouble.

[James Pietragallo]

Fuck yeah. So anyway, there you go. Seaside, Oregon. Just a wild story of unnecessary craziness and two people that didn't need to be killed. Killed and stupid.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No reason one, they gained nothing.

[James Pietragallo]

One guy liked a movie. That's why this happened. This is stupid. So very stupid. And if you like this show, get on whatever app you're on and please give us five stars. It helps drive the show up the charts. It helps tremendously. If you're watching on Netflix, those thumbs up are extremely helpful. You have no idea. Thank you so much for hanging with us and doing that. We appreciate the shit out of that head to shut upandgivemerder.com Dammit. Merchandise tickets for live shows. September 18th in Milwaukee at the Pabst. Get your tickets. There's not a lot left for that one. September 19th in Minneapolis state Theater. Beautiful place. Get your tickets there as well. And then later on in October, we're in Dallas, we're in San Jose, we're in Sacramento. And then in November we are in Boston and Tarrytown. Get those tickets. Shut up and give me murder.com is where you get all those. Pile in there, pile in there, God damn it. Overwhelm these people. Then definitely follow us on social media. Smalltown murder on Instagram, small town pot on Facebook. Once you do that, you got all that done. Definitely get yourself some damn Patreon is what you want. Patreon.com CrimeInSports is where you get all of the bonus episodes and all you have to be is $5 a month or above and that does never going to go up and you get everything we put out. First of all, as soon as you subscribe, you get almost 400 back bonus episodes you've never heard before. Then you get new ones. Two new ones every other week. One crime and sports, one small town murder you get. How much of that do they get?

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's fucking great. You get it all.

[James Pietragallo]

All of it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Damn it.

[James Pietragallo]

This week for crime and sports Hostage Situations Part 2. Because the first one was. It's just awesome. It was so fun. Then for small town murder prisoner dating game time again. My God, get in there. Four bachelors, four bachelorettes. I line up in front of Jimmy and the only thing they have in common is their currently incarcerated violent felons. And Jimmy's going to pick one of each and then he gets based solely on their profiles. Then he gets to find out what they did and how wrong of a decision he has made. Patreon P-A-T-R-E-O-N.com CrimeInSports Just like the name of our other show which you should listen to. Crime in sports and also your stupid opinions. Now with your Patreon, you also get all the shows we put out ad free 100% and you get a shout out at the end of the show, which is right now. Jimmy, hit me with the names of the best fucking people on earth who would at least have a reason for shooting us in the head. Hit me with them right goddamn now.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This week's executive producers are a daughter of the chosen people. James. She didn't give a name.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh my Congratulations.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She is a daughter of the chosen. Blakely Sheridan. Happy hour in Albuquerque. Poor bastard. Addie Murphy, Elena Zemel, Megan and Mabel. Fred, Sarah Pakora, Kenneth Minor, Mary Thomas, Ricky Gray. Other producers this week are Peyton Meadows, Liz Vasquez, Janice Hill, Allison with no last name, Sherry Miller, Hunter Galster, Ryan M. Steph Martin. Kolache Bakery. Kolache, perhaps. Kolache Bakery.

[James Pietragallo]

Sounds delicious.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Amanda Schmidt. Rolling nerd. Pot rolling nerd.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, that's a certain pastry, isn't it?

[Jimmy Wissman]

A kolache.

[James Pietragallo]

Isn't that a pastry? Or did we find out?

[Jimmy Wissman]

I love carbs. Sounds delicious.

[James Pietragallo]

It sounds like something like a. Yeah, well, we'll eat. Probably send one over.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Do they only make kolache?

[James Pietragallo]

I have no idea if that's even a thing. I just don't know what the fuck

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm saying right now.

[James Pietragallo]

Put some powdered sugar on it, shoot it over our way. We'll fucking eat it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Carbs with powdered sugar are the best. Ben Young, Nat Wilson, Lacey Evans, Alyssa Rosenthal, Victoria Brooke, Vicki, Elliott. Swagzilla, Shadow Freddy. I don't know what that means. Edelram Ed, Helrom S. The letter S. Jessica Bryant. Leslie Galbraith, Gabrith Frey with no last name. Mark Brockman, Codename Reaction. December N. Karissa or Charissa Evans. Aunt Sharon and Uncle Death. Jen Herman, Jill Krazek, Gina gilmore, Julia Duncan, L.G. brassfield. Bracefield. Maybe Issa Bowe, Hyacinth. Steamy Mirabel. Burlesque. Mirabella Steamy. Mirabella James and her burlesque. Or their burlesque, I don't know. Rebecca Mason, Lila with no last name. Anastasia with no last name. Kimberly Robertson. Sly girl with no last name. Nancy Cantwell, Karen Sly, Elizabeth. Elizabeth with no last name. Nicole Cutright, Derek Young. The letter B. Lindsey Jones, Erica Richter. Andy's kid. Stephanie Hawkins, Adrian Wiholt, Heather Renner, Marissa Cunningham, Hugh Janus. That's definitely somebody's name. Brenda with no last name. Brad with no last name. Destiny Watkins, Akina, Laura. Muse. Laurel with no Last name. Corey McKenna, Tatiana Funderberg. Rebecca Martin. Lance Corporal Goblin Naismith. 220. Sonia Campos, Lauren Toon or Tuney Tunay. Julianne Smith, Dave Avilas, Isabelle O', Brien, Susan Lake, Victoria Peck, Taylor Hahn, Nancy McMahon. McMahon. Probably Manny Sierra. Jess with no last name. Vicki Gales, Christopher Hinton, Holland Heidi. Course. Naomi and Weston Collins. Angelo Taro. Abby Nine. Camp. Oh, boy. Not camp. Is her name Annie Hicks? No camp. Abby no camp. Tamira. Tamira. Tamira Hopkins, Kyle Devoe. Noah Mashak, David Ellis. Nameless Dex, Holly Morton Margoo. That can't be right. Margot Margue. It's M I R, G U. That's not Margue. Margu.

[James Pietragallo]

I don't think so.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Jesse Hines, Laura BlackBerry, Jordan Lawton, Wicca Costa. Wicca Soda. Dana Sayers, Antoinette Apollinar Appelinar Apple Connor M. Kelly B. Maria New Aim K Julie Drew Bridget Douglas Ben Shirtliff, Rebecca Hansen Kyla with no last name Samantha Gotti Wheeler Gaming James Dummerad Candice Pryor, Joshua Welch Kyle Stubbs, Sarah with no last name Taylor with no last name Debbie Jensen, Taren Holt, Justin Amador and Walsh Savannah Nya Naya. I'm not going to get this right. Naya Gawachi Nyagwachi Robin Robin Morris Carly Goss Jen with no last name Dave Clements Cam with no last name John Pierce Ethan with no last name Mary Carol Freeman Winkler, Patricia Hernandez Julie Furlong Jamie Beebe, Natalie Hill Andy with no last name Joseph Mills, Jessica F. Tyler Mort Hannah Shotwell, Shelley with no last name Mr. Moose Casey Price. Brad Chritchleo, Katie Dickman, Haley with no last name instead Stacey Spitzer. You guys are the best.

[James Pietragallo]

Thank you so much, everybody. Thank you. Fuck. These people are awesome, aren't they? Every goddamn week.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're good. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Thank you so much for all that you do for us. Thank you, thank you, thank you. We can't thank you enough. Keep coming back and hanging out with us. If you want to follow us on social media, shutupandgivemerder.com has all the places to follow everything and find everything. Do that. Keep coming back. See us every week. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Bye.

[James Pietragallo]

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