Crazy Cousin Carnage - Depoy, Kentucky

Summary

SMALL TOWN MURDER Episode: “Crazy Cousin Carnage – Depoy, Kentucky”
Hosts: James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman
Date: May 8, 2026

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

The hosts return with an intense and tragic tale from rural Depoy, Kentucky, a community so small that no one is quite sure how to pronounce its name. Through their signature blend of deep research, dark humor, and empathy for victims, they tell a shocking family annihilation story from 1999 where longstanding family grievances, mental illness, and tragic mismanagement led to the deaths of four family members. As always, the comedians explore not just a murder, but the intricacies of small-town life and what makes these places tick.

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INTRO: Depoy & Greenville, Kentucky (04:35–12:00)

• The murder happened in Depoy, a cluster of houses near tiny Greenville, both in western Kentucky.
  • Population (Greenville): ~4,500
  • Median income: $34k, homes around $127k; area struggling after the coal bust.
• Depoy itself is described as so minuscule there’s no official pronunciation, no government, and one business: “John & Sue’s” restaurant.
  • “It’s so small I can’t even find a pronunciation for it. There's no stats, it’s just a few houses.” – James (04:35)
• Town character: friendly but remote, Walmart as social hub; hints of rural social problems (racial slurs, lack of opportunity).
• Local color: Jeep/Harley “wave culture,” “Squash and Gobble Arts & Crafts Festival” (11:28)

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THE WIMBERLEY FAMILY: SETTING THE STAGE (14:14–22:30)

• “Wimberley Lane” is a lonely gravel road named for the family living there over generations.
  • Patriarchs: Del & Eugene Wimberley, daughters Beverly & Jean.
  • Beverly marries Todd Wedding (they have son Terry). Jean marries Johnny Vincent (they have son Joey).
• By late 1990s, Beverly, Todd, and their adult son Terry live together; Joey lives 100 yards away with wife Amy and their toddler, Brooklyn.
• “It was a village raising all the children. Everybody relied on each other, trusted each other a lot.” – Adele, matriarch (16:31)
• Terry is described as “lost,” socially awkward, sensitive, with a “very high-pitched, feminine voice” despite a large, muscular frame.
  • “He was a big, big guy... and his voice certainly didn't fit his size. I'm almost positive that's gotten him into trouble.” —Terry’s uncle (22:01)

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TERMINAL TENSIONS: MENTAL ILLNESS IN THE FAMILY (24:38–33:53)

• Terry’s adult life marked by underachievement, legal missteps (“fourth degree assault,” minor local run-ins), and severe social isolation.
• By 1998, he is diagnosed with bipolar disorder; lithium prescribed, but he cycles on and off it.
  • “Being manic is fucking great. It feels great in your brain...Then you take this (medication) and everything just slows down...you want that high of the mania again.” – James (32:19)
• Family dynamic: Terry’s cousin Joey (now a beloved local cop and pastor) begins to resent how Terry treats his own parents, describing him as erratic and disrespectful.
  • “Terry wasn't showing them any respect. He was unpredictable... could go from hot to cold, just like that.” – Relative (43:08)

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RED FLAGS: ESCALATING DANGER (43:08–49:36)

• June 15, 1999: Beverly, Terry’s mother, seeks an emergency mental health warrant; Joey (as deputy) and a sheriff’s deputy are tasked with serving it.
• Despite family and personal ties, Terry resists violently and has to be physically restrained, making threats during the arrest.
• “Joey had to chase Terry down, help cuff him… Joey just stood in the yard and bawled… but told his partner he’d do it again because it was right.” (46:17)
• Terry spends a week at Western State Hospital, refusing visitors, seething with anger at those involved in his commitment. After seven days, he's released; hospital determines he’s not a current danger.

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OMINOUS FORESHADOWING & FEAR (49:34–53:00)

• Amy (Joey’s wife, four months pregnant, mother to toddler Brooklyn) confides to friends she’s afraid of Terry: “I want to come see you because I’m not going to live much longer. This is probably the last time I see you.” (49:36)
• Joey downplays Amy’s fear; suspects she’s just maternally anxious.
• Terry’s delusions worsen—he claims his family has been replaced by imposters or “pod people.”

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THE CARNAGE: JUNE 27, 1999 (53:00–58:14)

• At 6:15 am, Amy loads Brooklyn into the car to take her sick child to the hospital; Joey is shot dead by Terry with a deer rifle from 100 yards away.
• Amy is shot in the car as she tries to flee. Terry kidnaps Brooklyn and barricades himself in his parents’ house.
• “He shot Joey through the window, shot Amy in the car, then took Brooklyn... went back to the house.” (54:49)
• SWAT descend, wary due to Terry’s skill with weapons and unclear intent toward the child.
• After roughly an hour, Terry exits with Brooklyn, calmly turns her over to police, surrenders, and requests a cigarette.
  • Notable: “He gave the baby snacks, gave her some ice cream and a banana... started babysitting. As if nothing had happened.” – James (57:52)

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SEARCH FOR PARENTS: DISCOVERING MORE MURDER (65:37–74:32)

• Police immediately realize Terry’s parents are missing.
• Interrogated, Terry with surreal calm calmly confesses: day prior, he convinced each parent to drive him out to remote wetlands, then:
  • Bludgeoned his father Todd with a baseball bat.
  • Shot his mother Beverly in the head with a 10-gauge shotgun while she sat in the truck.
  • Dumped their bodies in water, returned home, cleaned out the car, and set up the house for a shootout.
  • “He had combat rounds set up in every room. He was prepared for basically war.” (65:53; 58:16)
• He confesses matter-of-factly, only emotionally wavering regarding his mother: “His voice would break and he cried on and off.” (68:42)

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MOTIVE & AFTERMATH (72:03–81:14)

• Ultimate motive: Terry targeted the four family members who he saw as "the cabal" responsible for his forced hospitalization:
  • Todd (father) helped catch him
  • Beverly (mother) organized the commitment
  • Joey (cousin) was the arresting officer
  • Amy (Joey’s wife) drove Beverly to the courthouse.
• “These are the four people who were involved in committing him last time. In his mind, they’re the cabal against him.” (72:03)
• He reportedly did NOT know Amy was pregnant.
• Community is devastated; all four funerals are held together. Brooklyn, orphaned at age two, is raised by her surviving aunt and uncle (Jean and Johnny Vincent).

Notable Quote (Brooklyn, years later):
“That’s always such a weird clip for me to watch. Because you want to look at them and go, ‘Oh, yeah, that’s just cousin Terry.’ But instead, you look at it and almost feel sick to your stomach.” (81:14)

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TRIAL, SENTENCING & LEGACY (77:39–end)

• Terry pleads guilty but mentally ill to four counts of murder; prosecutors drop the death penalty.
  • “You, sir, may fuck off. Life without parole on each of the four counts.” – James (80:10)
• All experts agree he has bipolar disorder with psychotic features; but insanity defense is unsuccessful.
• While some family express only condemnation (“He’s just mean, he had the best parents anyone could ask for”), others show a trace of compassion for his illness and situation.

Notable Moment (Joey’s uncle):
“If my brother could speak from the grave, I’m sure he’d say, ‘Terry didn’t mean it. Don’t do nothing to him.’” (81:12)

• Brooklyn survives and, as an adult, expresses painful gratitude that she was spared.
• “This is why you gotta take care of your head.” – Jimmie (83:46)

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MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• “10 pounds of murder in a 2 pound bag” – recurring episode phrase.
• “I sat there. She said she was sorry. I put Brooklyn behind the car and I shot her twice.” – Terry’s confession, recounted (71:23)
• Both hosts reflect on the failures and challenges of mental health support in rural areas.
  • “Mental health is tough... even if you’re on the medication sometimes things happen.” – James (83:49)

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KEY TIMESTAMPS

• 04:35 – Small-town Kentucky profile, Depoy’s quirks
• 14:14 – Introduction of the Wimberley clan and family setup
• 21:27 – Terry’s mental health struggles and early warning signs
• 43:08 – Family interrelations, Terry’s growing tension with parents and cousin
• 49:36 – Emergency mental health warrant and commitment
• 53:00 – The attacks: Joey and Amy killed, Brooklyn kidnapped
• 58:14 – SWAT, Terry’s odd surrender and calmness
• 65:37 – Discovery of missing parents, confession to their murder
• 72:03 – Motive: perceived betrayal by “the cabal”
• 77:39 – No death penalty, life without parole sentences

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TONE & LANGUAGE

James and Jimmie maintain their hallmark mix of gallows humor (“I don’t want any vehicle that puts me in a club,” 12:21), frank empathy for mental health struggles, and sharp observation about small-town life. The tragedy is handled with a combination of detailed, compassionate research and irreverent asides (“We all love our mom. Most Mother's Day gifts are about one moment. Storyworth is about so much more.” – James, ad cut).

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TAKEAWAYS

• This story is a haunting example of the collision of untreated mental illness, family isolation, and the limitations of rural resources.
• Brooklyn’s survival is little comfort amid the loss, a “dark hue” lingering over the event and her life.
• The community’s sense of shock is palpable—“Good people. You just don’t believe it.”
• The case is a cautionary tale about the hazards of stigmatized mental illness, the failings of rural mental health systems, and the unpredictability of untreated psychosis.

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I'm Jimmy Wissman.

[A]

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[B]

Okay.

[A]

Let's go on a trip, shall we? All right. We are going to Kentucky this week down Kentuck way. Here we go. Now. The murder itself happened in a town called, I think it's Depoix. It's so small I can't even find A pronunciation for it. It's just. It's so small. There's no stats. It's basically just a few houses. There's no anything in the depoy, I believe is how you say it. D, E, P, O, Y. So it might be depoy. It might be depoy. Maybe it's like Patrick Waugh, the goalie. Maybe it's. We don't know.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

But it's so small, and it's only six minutes from Greenville. So Greenville is where, like, if you wanted to go get a Snickers bar, you'd go to Greenville for it, which is also a very tiny town. None of these places are big.

[B]

Greenville, Kentucky.

[A]

Greenville, Kentucky. So the murder happened in depoix. Well, when we have depoy information, I'll give you that. But otherwise it's going to be for Greenville. Greenville, Kentucky. They're both. It's western Kentucky either way. About an hour and 45 to Nashville, about two hours to Louisville, and about 35 minutes to Madisonville, Kentucky, which was our last Kentucky episode, episode 655, which was the Murder of the Queen, which was the Dairy Queen lady, if you remember that. Wow. We were so hungry after that show.

[B]

Did she own one, right?

[A]

Yeah, she was like, for years and years. She had it since the 50s. She was an original. Very cool.

[B]

He's one of the only ones that like an original recipe ice cream.

[A]

Yeah, it was pretty cool. So, yeah, we wanted Dilly Bars bad after that. This is in Muhlenberg county, which I don't think we've ever talked about before, because I was like, muhlenberg County.

[B]

That.

[A]

That's the county. I don't know Muhlenberg, like the German spelling with an h. Area codes 2, 7. Oh, and 364. Population here, 4507. So that is not much. It's a tiny place. Median household income here, about half the national average, which is not $34,295. But luckily for them, median home cost is also insanely low. $127,300, which is like a third of the national average, basically.

[B]

Find somewhere in the country that cheap. God damn it.

[A]

It has to be in a place that you've never heard of. That's the only place you're going to find that. Now, a little bit of history on depoy. God, I hope I'm saying that right. It was a stop on the Illinois Central Gulf Railroad and was named for a railroad named Elmer depoister. He's the depoister. And they Were like, let's make it just depoy after him. Now, on Greenville, it was settled in about 1799 here on an estate donated by a local landowner named William Campbell to establish a new seat of government for a new county. So there you go. Now, it was incorporated as a City in 1848. So it took a while. It took 50 years. They think it maybe was named for the Revolutionary War general Nathaniel Greene. That's the best they can do. Otherwise they don't know. Also, it's pretty green around there. Who knows? Now, in 1987, the Encyclopedia of Kentucky refers to Greenville as the unofficial capital of the black belt. They don't mean people. They mean production of coal and dark tobacco.

[B]

Oh, Jesus.

[A]

Yeah, well, things that are great for us, anything that's gonna fuck up your breathing apparatus, they make it here. Yeah, this is the cancer belt. A couple reviews of this town here. There isn't much. Here is one five stars. The job market here is very slim. I believe that the middle of nowhere. Yeah. The county's always been dependent upon the coal industry. And with the government applying stricter laws and regulations, many companies have either chosen to close or find different means to fuel their business. That in turn leads to the job loss across the board. Yeah, they're terrible jobs. And then terrible jobs go away. Then there's no job. So it's like, well, I guess one of those terrible jobs.

[B]

It sounds like the CEO of a company's noticing some loss. And he started an only fan.

[A]

Yeah, he's like, well, I guess I'll sell pictures of my feet now. Four stars here. The area is great because of how friendly and welcoming everyone is. It is a beautiful town that is growing. Is it? It's growing. How much is it growing, really? I mean, yeah, we had. We had 4800 like 10 years ago. Now it's 5100 or 4800. 4900. We're doing great. Three stars here. One thing I like about Greenville is the fact that everyone knows everyone. I don't like that it's a small town and I always love going to Walmart and seeing people reunite with the people they haven't seen in a while. This is their social center. Here is Walmart. Literally, I go there. Oh, I saw that. My buddy from high school, like, what a. That's strange, right?

[B]

My balls came through my undies. I'm gonna go see Tom down at

[A]

the Walmart, see if he can sell me some new ones. However, I've met a lot of ignorant people in this town. And that saddens me. People who yell racial slurs. I'd like to see change in the future. Yeah. You know, less people just indiscriminately yelling racial slurs would probably be better for everyone.

[B]

Sure do hope down the road of peace, recognize the error of that.

[A]

Maybe in the 2001 hundreds, we'll figure that out. Down here, we don't know. I don't wish for anyone to feel uncomfortable and unsafe in any town. However, it's a problem in Greenville, Kentucky, and it has to change. Okay. Things to do in this town. Ooh, it is the Hogs. H A W G S Because Harley is very litigious, by the way. You can't name an event at a bar or something with hog in it. They will fucking sue you. They will send you a cease and desist. They're crazy. The word hog. They own that shit and you're not allowed to use it.

[B]

They better tell that to Arkansas.

[A]

Well, they have actual hogs there. I'm talking. If you're referring to a motorcycle and you're calling a horse.

[B]

Is that what they're doing? That's what they're referring to.

[A]

Hogs, Bogs and Bruise Bike and Jeep Night, it's called. Oh, yeah. Like, WCW Wrestling used to have a show called Hog Wild. That was at Sturgis. They had to change it to Road Wild because Harley said, we're suing you.

[B]

What?

[A]

You can't use the word hog. We own it. Yeah.

[B]

They don't own hog, do they?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's a. They're real American. Old time it comes. Sue you for using hog. It's so funny. They're corporate as shit. And everybody acts like they're like some.

[B]

What a stupid thing to sue about.

[A]

A bunch of guys get out of prison and then put a Harley shirt on and they're like, cool, right? Yeah, they're really cool. They're not corporate at all. Hog. Yep. So this is on May 30th here, so you can still have time. There's motorcycles, jeeps, cold beers and live music.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

That's everything there, I would say. And then this next one. Not a lot to do here, but I just like the name of it. The Squash and Gobble Arts and Crafts Festival. What is that? Squash and Gobble? I don't know. It looks like crafts. It's a bunch of crafts.

[B]

What's the gobble about?

[A]

I don't know. And Brian Wiggins and Swift Silver will be playing there, along with the local Honeysuckle and Evan Galen. So galleon. So there you go. That says this is not good. No, it's small. So you're not. It's going to be tough there.

[B]

But if you don't have a Jeep or a Harley, you're assed out on everything you got.

[A]

Well, I just assume if you live here, you have a four wheel drive vehicle or a motorcycle or both. I think that's what they're assuming. I don't know the place.

[B]

Both of them are vehicles that wave at each other if they see the other.

[A]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

They all do it to each other.

[A]

Those are waivers. That's one thing. I never want any vehicle that puts me in a club.

[B]

That's the wave community.

[A]

Never ever. That's if I'm looking at cars. What are you looking for? Something that no one will wave at me in. That's what I'm looking for. Something I'm not a part of a fucking anything. I don't want to be a part of your community.

[B]

I think the Subaru community has an acknowledgment of some sort. I don't know what it is.

[A]

I don't know what the lesbian hand signal is for a Subaru. There's some sort. I'm not sure. I don't have one of these. I'm not positive of what it is exactly. I think that's the way. I'm not sure.

[B]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

We can say that because lesbians love us. By the way, we have tons of lesbian listeners and they're laughing the hardest at that. That's why we don't mind.

[B]

But there's also. I'll bet. I'll bet you dollars to donuts the Forerunner community is the next one that does it.

[A]

Oh, no. Wow.

[B]

Because that community is fucking deep. There's a lot of them. Now.

[A]

There's a very common car. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Boy.

[B]

That's. It's got to be the Jeep.

[A]

Top five. Leading the Jeep wave is to try to get you to come over to the side of the road and help them get broken down. Yeah. Hey, I need a. Hi.

[B]

My AC doesn't work either.

[A]

I'm stuck here. Yeah. All right, let's talk about a murder here. All right. Now as of we're gonna go to 1999 here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so in this place, picture about 1963. That's about the equivalent here. You know what I mean? Now, depoy, at this point, it's an unincorporated community. And I'll describe it from this article here. Sitting just down the gravel road from Greenville. Oh, Boy, that's what I mean. You gotta take a gravel road. It's so small that it has, you know, not a lot. It has no city government, no, you know, welcome sign, no mayor, none of that shit here. It's just basically a bunch of some mobile homes, a railroad bed running through the woods, and a restaurant called John and Sue's. That's the town.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

That's the entire town. Some trailers, the tracks that used to be more active, and a restaurant loyalty

[B]

of John and Sue.

[A]

Now there's a road here called Wimberley Lane. Not really a road, it's gravel, about an eighth of a mile long. Gravel path, essentially. And it's named for a family that's lived there for two generations. They're the only people that live on this gravel path is this family. And that's called Wimberley Lane. Yes. And there are three households that we'll talk about here. Now, the matriarch and patriarch here are Del and Eugene Wimberley. They have a small house where they live. Their house is actually attached to the ground and everything. They raised two daughters there, Beverly and Jean. And we're gonna have to remember all these names here. Now, Beverly married. This will be easy to remember. Married a guy named Wedding. So that's easy. We know she got married.

[B]

Say again?

[A]

Yeah, she married Todd. Wedding.

[B]

Oh, last name. Got it.

[A]

Last name. Yeah. Beverly marries. So she's now Beverly Wedding. Todd is a newspaper guy. Oh, okay. Not. He's like an editor for the local newspaper, delivers newspapers.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Not. He's a

[B]

12 year old.

[A]

Yeah. He's not a journalist or anything. Jimmy went, oh, look at that. He's like. No, no, no, hold on a minute. No, no, no, you're backing off.

[B]

He's got a sunroof that he cut in the top of his car of his Jeep. Hucks paper. Yeah. He takes the teats off.

[A]

Yeah. Throws him out. So they get married. Then Gene marries Johnny Vincent, who works for a local food distributor. So they're both married off. Gene and Johnny and Beverly and Todd. Okay. Both daughters each had a son. All right, Now, Beverly had a son named Terry. And Gene and Johnny Vincent had a son named Joey. Okay, okay.

[B]

Now Gene and Johnny got a son named Joey.

[A]

Gene and Johnny got Joey and Beverly and Todd have Terry. Okay? Now, by the late 90s, these are grown men. The sons, they've grown into grown men. They have their own houses on the same gravel path.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah, you just put another trailer down at the end, I think is a lot of the Kind of family roads. It's kind of what they do. They had another mobile home or they'll build a small house or whatever. Now, Adele, the matriarch here, described this. She said, it was a village raising all the children. And everybody relied on each other, trusted each other a lot. With that Terry, a little bit younger. She's watching a video of the kids, and she said, terry doesn't look like he quite knows what to do. He looks like he's trying to find somebody to help him figure out what to do all the time. Seems a little lost. A little lost. So as of 1999, living on Wimberley, here we have Beverly Wedding, who is, like we said, Adele and New Jean's daughter. Manville Todd Wedding. His name's Manville Wedding. That's. What the fuck, Todd. That's much easier to deal with. Now, Beverly's 56 years old in 1999. So imagine Adele and Eugene, they're like 112. Gotta be very old. Maryville or Manville wedding here is 59. Todd and then Terry wedding. Their son is 27 at this point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So they all live in the same house here. Now, Beverly here, she has worked for 15 years as a district circulation manager for the Evansville Courier, which is.

[B]

She's the manager of the distribution of the papers.

[A]

She tells you which houses to throw a paper at. I feel like that's what that is.

[B]

Tells us who's paid up so that they can get a paper.

[A]

Exactly. She was reportedly at this point, trying to retire, but the paper wouldn't let her retire, which I don't understand. Wouldn't let you. Here's what you do. You don't go there anymore. And now you're retired. I don't know why. No one can force you not to retire.

[B]

You don't have to train your replacement. And then you can go, yeah, she's

[A]

not playing for the Lakers. It's not like she's under contract or something. And she's got a. You know, you got two more years on your deal, pal. You know, we gave you a signing bonus, so, yeah, we're taking a salary

[B]

cap hit this year.

[A]

You're sticking? Yeah, the cap hit's huge this year. Gotta help us out here. Now, Adele said. She said Beverly was a really likable person, a lovable person. Never had a care in the world. She wanted to retire last year, but they wouldn't let her. I said, beverly, don't be such a good hand and maybe they'll get rid of you. She said, stop. Being so good at your job. And then they'll find somebody else.

[B]

Stop performing.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, I can't retire. Okay. I made a few mistakes this week. Sorry about that. How about now? Yeah, Quiet strategy. Yeah, exactly. Just Kentucky style and a long time ago.

[B]

Stop showing up.

[A]

Yeah, that's it.

[B]

I did that.

[A]

I've done that many times. Just, hey, guess what? I guess I don't work here anymore. Didn't have to formally put any paperwork in. So she is the family goofball is how her family describes her. In a good way. She likes to sing Christmas songs in a funny way and shit like that, around Christmas and everything like that. Also very sentimental. She kept Terry's first stuffed animal that she gave to him when he was a baby. She kept that in her bedroom. He's 27 now, so that's very sentimental.

[B]

She's got his teddy.

[A]

Yeah. Now, she has been married to Todd for about 40 years, and he helped Beverly deliver the Sunday edition of the Evansville Courier. He's described as quiet and honorable. His older sister said, Todd was my younger brother. There was only two of us. Everybody liked my brother. He's friendly, he's honorable and just a very fine man.

[B]

Honorable.

[A]

Honorable. Very honorable. Yeah. That paper is square on your porch every morning. He's honorable.

[B]

He's 59. So they've been married 40 years. That's it.

[A]

Yeah. They got married 18, 19 years old and that's it.

[B]

Stuck together.

[A]

Yeah, they stuck together. And from what I understand, everybody likes Todd. Great guy.

[B]

He's honorable. James.

[A]

Honorable man. What do you want? June 15, 1999, Beverly called her younger sister's daughter. Okay, all right. So her niece, that would be her niece Amy, in tears, asking for a ride to the courthouse. Okay. Now, Beverly had decided. Amy, by the way, is Joey's wife.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Jean and Johnny's son, Joey's wife. Okay, so there you go. So her niece in law, I guess, would be the best to say here and asking for a ride to the courthouse because Beverly and Todd decided they had to take out a, quote, mental health warrant on their own son Terry. Basically, they called for some help. Gotta come pick him up in an ambulance and take him somewhere. Basically, that's what they call that.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

I guess I never heard of a mental health warrant before.

[B]

I've never heard of that either.

[A]

But I guess, I mean, I get what they're getting at, though.

[B]

Yeah, they need help. He's not doing well.

[A]

Yeah, Terry is born about 1971. He's the only. Or 72. I mean, he's the only child of Todd and Beverly. Graduated high school at Madisonville North Hopkins High School and went to Also Life Christian Academy in Madisonville. So by 1999, he's 27. He is described as this. He's a big guy.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

But relatives describe him having a very high pitched voice.

[B]

Oh, really? I love those guys.

[A]

And they said, basically his family said it was a feminine voice. He had a very feminine voice. And it doesn't match his.

[B]

From the Howard Stern show.

[A]

It's weird, it's strange, and it doesn't match his frame at all. It's just one of those things. He's like Mike Tyson you look at and you're like, oh, my God, he's the scariest man ever. And you're like, oh, my God. He talks like someone's little sister whose teeth haven't come in yet. Yeah. He also took a lot of karate. Big into karate. His uncle said this quote, he had kind of a feminine type of voice. He was a big, big guy, well built. And his voice certainly didn't fit his size. And I'm almost positive that's gotten him into trouble. He probably was bullied. Terry took karate, martial arts, probably for self defense. I guess he got very good at it. Somebody would say it didn't. Somebody would say it didn't. They didn't like the tone of his voice or something. And they would be sorry to say that later.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So yeah, if you, if you made fun of his voice, which probably they was made fun of all through school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like calling Marty McFly a chicken. He's just not having it. It's. Now it's fighting words.

[B]

That's the one. Yeah.

[A]

His family described him as, quote, almost like an incredible Hulk. His other uncle said they were very muscular. I don't know. They. It's just him. They were very muscular. Well, I guess he's very ahead of his time. I guess this guy in Kentucky in 1998, 40 years ago, he's like, listen, I don't want to. He said they were very muscular. He sure was. Lifted weights, but he sure was built almost like an incredible Hulk. He's got some priors. Fourth degree assault charge in 1993, which was dismissed. Got cited for no insurance in 1996 without. There's a fourth degree.

[B]

Thinking about it.

[A]

Fourth degree. Yeah. I think it's. You go, you considered it. Person didn't like your breath. I think is how it works there. What'd you have for lunch? Jesus. That's assault onions. That's Bad. Also a guilty plea to improperly displaying registration tags in 1996, where he had the. I mean, he was really hit hard by the courts with a $67.50 fine. So he's that small dumb shit that really maybe got in a fight in a bar, drove around with no insurance when he was in his early 20s. Who cares? He's a deer and turkey hunter. And he also. And I don't know how he did this in the middle of nowhere, but he sold knickknacks out of his parents house. I don't know how you do that pre Etsy. Like in the middle of nowhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No one's driving by. It's a dead end gravel road.

[B]

I guess that's theft in it. Cause you don't have knickknacks. It's your mom's shit.

[A]

He like makes shit, I guess.

[B]

Really? Yeah.

[A]

Like goes to junkyards. He does all sorts of weird shit. He had at least one time. We know he had a girlfriend at one point. So he's not a complete social, you know, pariah or whatever. Yeah, he actually had somebody be able to be goodly enough to have sex with him. So that's nice. By 1998, they're sorting out Terry's problems. They're figuring out that he's got some issues. And doctors diagnose him with bipolar disorder.

[B]

Oh, doctor.

[A]

Which is tough. And that makes more sense to everybody now because he has some swings and he's happy for three days. He's depressed. He's got the typical kind of manic thing going on here. His mother, I guess here came home crying. Beverly. And told the news to a relative. One of the family members said, Beverly came to my house, tears streaming down her face. And Beverly said he has a chemical imbalance of the brain, which makes it sound even worse. That sounds terrible. And she probably said, what is that? And the doctor said it's a chemical imbalance of your brain. And then she just took that. And that makes sense. So Terry was prescribed lithium for his bipolar disorder. And that was. That's kind of the. That's usually they'd hit you with that when it was bad because lithium is.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. That's an extreme one.

[A]

That's really strong. Well, also in 98 when he got diagnosed, that's when the new. There's a lot of new drugs coming out at that point that treated this and stuff like that. But lithium was still. I don't know if that got to Kentucky yet. You know what I mean, got to the hills yet?

[B]

Yeah, the Prozacs and such, I'm not sure.

[A]

So they still use it as a mood stabilizer. Lithium? Yeah, it's still in use.

[B]

It's a very common thing.

[A]

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[A]

But people don't like it because it makes them stop. They don't feel like themselves is what they always say. And generally they don't get the highs of the mania. And that's what they enjoy. That's the problem. And that's why a lot of, like bipolar people known a lot of bipolar people and read a lot about this. A lot of bipolar people stop taking their medication because they miss the highs.

[B]

Cause they enjoy it.

[A]

Being manic is fucking great. It's great in your brain. It feels great. Things you're doing aren't perfect, but you feel great. You're up for days. You're feeling good. You feel like you're accomplishing things. Your brain's snapping and then you take this and everything slows down and you don't feel like yourself. And you want that high of the mania again. That's why a lot of bipolar people will stop taking medications to get the manias back. They like the manic periods of it, you know, which I guess makes sense. I feel like everything's clicking for him in there.

[B]

I don't know that I have that. I know that I don't have that.

[A]

No, you're unipolar. You're just depressed.

[B]

Yeah, I got a baseline of bottom.

[A]

Yeah, you're unipolar. But

[B]

the medications that I was prescribed just numb and you feel nothing.

[A]

That's the problem.

[B]

Like I'm incapable of being like that.

[A]

One thing bipolar people have is they feel things. They feel up, they feel down. And to go from that to feeling is hard for people sometimes.

[B]

To have that just heart chart, baseline, that's no fun.

[A]

It's tough.

[B]

Makes sense.

[A]

And when you're manic, you feel invincible. So, I mean, it's like you feel good now. By Christmas 1998, he's on his medication and things are looking, it looks like a different person now. Now that his brain has slowed down and can process and everything, things are working. It's working how it's supposed to for him. Yeah. Then by early to mid June 99, nobody knows why, he just stopped taking his medication.

[B]

Couldn't do it anymore.

[A]

And a lot of people also, if they feel good, they'll go, well, I don't need it anymore because I feel good now. They don't realize that that's the reason they feel good. So it's tough.

[B]

You can see the forest beyond the trees thing.

[A]

Exactly. So Terry, he has a favorite cousin, and that's Joey. That is Gene and Johnny's kid. Yeah, Joey Vincent. He's born September 30, 1969. He's 29 years old in June of 99.

[B]

And he's got a wife and he's doing great.

[A]

He's got a wife named Amy. She's 22 and. Yeah, so he's 29, 22. They live about 100 yards across the yard from the weddings. So they're there. They have a gray mobile home where Joey lives with Amy and they have a little baby who is one to two years old, little toddler named Brooklyn.

[B]

So he's got to look at them and be like, what the fuck? Why can't I get it together?

[A]

Yeah, Joey's only two years older than me, but yet he has a wife and a kid in his own place. And I live with my parents and don't have anything. And that's. Yeah, you do get jealous of same age cousins sometimes, I would think. I don't know. I'm not.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I don't really care. I'm not.

[B]

I could see it.

[A]

I could see it though. Yeah, for sure. I have seen it. I've seen it happen. I've seen it.

[B]

I'm the oldest cousin, so I don't have anybody to gauge mine against. The next one is like 10 years younger than me. So fucking. I don't care what they're doing.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know. We tend to root for each other in my family. My cousin is eight years older than me and he works for us. And he's happy as can be and couldn't be more thrilled for anything that happens with us. You know what I mean?

[B]

I got one 10 years younger than me and I'm just going, you're gonna get divorced any day.

[A]

You're just thrusting your shit upon him. I like that. That's fun.

[B]

Good luck, fucker.

[A]

I know the best. That's the voice in his head. That's great. So Joey and Terry, they're like best friend cousins growing up. You have the cousin that you're closest to and that's them. There's home videos of those two. From toddlers to tricycles to always together, always hanging out. Now Joey here, he. Apparently Joey is a very. As a teen, he really hit a stride. He was very confident, had a lot of friends, had girlfriends. He went to four high school proms.

[B]

God damn, Joey.

[A]

Yeah, Joey was a ladies man. He played basketball at Graham High School. So he was an athlete. He had kind of all the stuff Terry didn't have, basically.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So it's one of those things that was Joey's, Terry's cool cousin. Right now. 1999. And by that time Joey had been on the Greenville police department for eight years.

[B]

And he's a cop.

[A]

He started in 91. A fellow officer said. Joey and I were at one of our softball games one evening and Joey explained to me that he had applied for the Greenville Police Department. And you know, I wasn't surprised because I knew Joey had the personality and the love for his community and the love for the people. And small town police force too is a different kind of thing. You're mainly talking to people in that. You know what I mean? It's not a. You know, there's not so much crime that you're just trying to catalog it. It's mainly just, oh, they're fighting again. Let's make sure they don't hit each other. You know, it's kind of more of that thing when it's only 4,500 people down.

[B]

And give Pete a ride to his mom's house.

[A]

Yep. I assume you're probably spending a lot of your times at the same trailers. You Know what I mean? Them again. Okay. He's also a pastor or the pastor of the New Cypress Baptist Church in the community of Graham nearby.

[B]

Awful young fella.

[A]

Yeah. He wanted to train as a chaplain as well. And a Greenville City council member said he's laid back and easygoing and just gone back to full time work from the baby being born and all that. He's very good at his job. We never had a minute's trouble with him.

[B]

How about it?

[A]

Joey's a good guy. A friend tells a story of asking Joey to officiate his wedding as well. After me and my wife became engaged, I asked Joey if he would care to officiate the wedding. At the time, he was joking about it, but he told me, he said it would be an honor for him to do it. Did an exceptional job.

[B]

I believe it.

[A]

Yeah. Why not? Everybody likes him basically. In the whole community.

[B]

Yeah, he's good at everything.

[A]

Since he was a kid. He actually, as we'll talk about it, he has to take Terry into custody at one point and then cries his eyes out afterwards because he didn't want to do that. And then he told his partner he'd do it again, though, because it was the right thing to do.

[B]

Have to. That's keeping the community safe. It's the honorable thing to do type

[A]

of guy he is. He's an honorable man, Jimmy. Yep, that's right. He met his wife, Amy. This is a little odd here.

[B]

A fellow, she's seven years younger.

[A]

And a fellow officer came to the house. One or Joey said, this is a fellow officer talking. Joey came to the house one day and he said, and I quote, I think I found the one. And I said, joey, what are you talking about? And he said, I'm in love. I found the person I'm gonna marry.

[B]

Oh, no, don't say this.

[A]

Okay, well, Amy Hambrick was her maiden name. Here. They met in 1995, so four years earlier, when she was 18 and he was 25. He was on duty and he was called to break up a party at the Hill, which is a hill in Depoix where everybody, the kids go to drink, so.

[B]

High school kids. Yeah.

[A]

Underage drinking. Well, just underage drinking. That's where they go. And that's where Amy was. That's how he met her. He was called to break up a party. And he didn't arrest her or write her a ticket. He let her off with a warning. And then a couple weeks later, he asked her out, which seems not completely honorable if you look at it like

[B]

That a little unethical, right?

[A]

Put it this way. If they don't get married and live happily ever after, you go, ooh, that's not great. But if they get married and they live happily ever after, then it's fine, I guess, right?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I mean, then it's okay. It's not like predatory because she's reciprocating and they have a baby. It's fine, I guess. It's still weird.

[B]

Did take two years for him to make her pregnant, which is good. Well, I take that back. He took her two years to have the baby. They may. I don't know.

[A]

Well, they met in 95 and they had a baby in 98.

[B]

97. Right. It's two years old.

[A]

Probably pregnant in 98. Probably pregnant. 97. So two years. I think they got married in 96. So they got married in August of 96, as a matter of fact. So they only knew each other for a year. Terry did not attend the wedding. No one really understood what he just had. Basically they kind of said he had social anxiety, but there's something there. One of the relatives said, I do know that a lot of times socially, Terry had more anxieties and he definitely preferred to be by himself or around smaller groups of people. Probably just with his mom and dad. He's a little more not as outgoing as Joey here. Now, after the wedding, Joey and Amy decided to live on Adele and Eugene's land on Wimberley Lane because Joey wanted to be close to the family. So they put a mobile home in there directly across the road from Beverly and Todd and Terry. There they are. So 1997 in July is when Brooklyn is born. So that's. They got pregnant two months after they got married. They walked down the aisle and said, let's start trying. And there they are. So good for them. They had daughter Brooklyn, and Beverly and Todd are always babysitting her and they love her and always playing with her and all that kind of thing. June of 1999, Amy is pregnant with their second child. She's four months pregnant.

[B]

Going again?

[A]

Yeah, going again. Now Amy has a job too. She's a waitress and at John and Sue's restaurant.

[B]

Restaurant, yeah.

[A]

These people are depoy through and through and they are the town. So she's a waitress there and very popular. Everybody knows her because she's the waitress in the only diner, only restaurant in town. Her co worker said she's always joking and loving on everybody and that kind of thing. They said the owner of John and Sue's said that Amy was the type of person that on a Friday night shift, she'd give half of her $20 in tips to a fundraiser collecting for cancer research.

[B]

She take 10 bucks home tonight?

[A]

Yeah. And that's all she'd take home because she was just nice like that. So Terry, on the other hand, talked about Joey, Joey's thriving wife, baby, another kid on the way. Job, church. He's got all sorts of things. Terry, his uncle said, is a little bit of a loner. And when asked what Terry wanted to be when he grew up, his uncle said, I'm not aware that Terry really wanted to do anything.

[B]

I don't think Terry wanted to grow up.

[A]

That's what it is. He's still living at home. Mom and dad are providing for him. And one relative said, I thought it was strange that he was still at home at his age. I don't know if Beverly and Todd ever encouraged Terry to get out on his own or not. I don't think he's capable of it because I think he's too unstable. I think they want to keep an eye on him, make sure he takes his medication and things like that. Thought it was odd.

[B]

Mind your own fucking business.

[A]

Yeah. Now Joey started to get mad at Terry for how Terry treated his parents.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Started to get pissed off that he was mean to his aunt and uncle here, you know, Joey's aunt and uncle. One of the relatives said Joey would get a little upset at the way Terry would treat his mother and father, Beverly and Todd. Terry wasn't showing them any respect. He was unpredictable. His behavior was erratic, and he could go from almost hot to cold, just like in the snap of a finger.

[B]

Yeah. And Terry, you don't own this place.

[A]

No. And he's off his medication. That's what happens. And before they knew he was bipolar, they just called him weird all the time. They're just like, terry's a fucking weirdo. Like, well, he's got some mental illness is the problem. But. Tuesday, June 15, 1999, Beverly Wedding Picks up the phone and calls Amy at home. Okay. Beverly is terrified. That's the problem. Terry's been off his meds for over two weeks and he's starting to really be wacky here. That's when Beverly said she needs a ride to the courthouse. And Amy said, okay, and took her to the courthouse. Now this is. She went to the courthouse to take out a 72 hour mental health warrant, known in Kentucky as an emergency protection involuntary admission order against her own son.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

An officer involved Said for Beverly and Todd to see the need to have a mental health warrant signed against Terry. I mean, I knew it had to be bad for them to go that far. They saw that there. They saw that there was a threat to himself or somebody else. So the warrant gets signed by a judge. Now it has to be served by a member of law enforcement.

[B]

Oh, so it's an actual. It's like a. It's a welfare check with a place to go. Yeah,

[A]

exactly. So Joey says he'd do it because he knows him and he doesn't want Terry to get hurt. He doesn't want anything to go down.

[B]

Cousin. His cousin's gonna serve it.

[A]

Yeah. Which makes sense for Joey because he's thinking this is the right thing to do. Because I don't want him freaking out and having officers having to beat him up or anything like that. Cause he's a big guy, too, and he knows karate and all this shit. They might have to shoot him. He's like, if I go over there, he'll come with me, you know, Is

[B]

there a way he can do this plain clothes so that it just feels like a family's taking him for a ride somewhere?

[A]

I mean, I'm sure he can. I'm sure he doesn't have to go there and introduce himself as Officer Vincent. I'm sure he can.

[B]

Hi, I'm Officer Joey.

[A]

Yeah. He can say, hey, Terry. So Joey's shift partner said, quote, I enjoy. And then he stops. Joey called me right at time for him to come to work and said that Beverly and Todd had signed a mental health warrant against Terry and that he was going to help serve it. He felt like things would go smoother if he was in there there, because he can make contact.

[B]

He's his family.

[A]

So he does. He thinks it'll help diffuse the situation. So he goes with a deputy from the Muhlenberg County Sheriff's Office. They knock on the door. They tell Terry he has to come with them. The sheriff, Jerry Mayhew, said there was a small altercation. He resisted right away. But we have this with the mentally ill all the time. It's common, Quite common. So even with his cousin there.

[B]

Resisted.

[A]

Yeah. Joey needed to physically restrain him and put him in handcuffs. He wouldn't come just voluntarily. He was gonna just have him come with him, but they had to actually cuff him down and everything. Terry threatens Joey during the arrest, and he's freaking out, they said. Threats, the sheriff said during a mental health pickup. Threats are the routine. They're not together, so they're just throwing out things, you know what I mean? So they said that basically Joey had to chase Terry down. Terry tried to run. Joey chased him down, helped cuff him and all that kind of shit. And Joey called his officer friend back that night and said that. The guy said, he called me back. And he said it got quite physical how Terry didn't want to go, but he needed it. Now, Adele, Grandma here, she said that I do know. Oh, this is from somebody else talking about Adele. I do know that Adele. And Joey's grandmother told me that he just stood in the yard and bawled. Meaning Joey did. Like he just sobbed because he had to do that. So that's tough. Then they drove him. Adele's grandfather, I guess. Yeah. So they then drive him to the Western State Hospital in Hopkinsville. He's at the hospital from June 15 to June 23.

[B]

Dang.

[A]

Now he's. You can only hold him for 72 hours. After 72 hours, the patient is entitled to a hearing to determine whether they should be held longer. Now, Terry was completely pissed off the entire time he was in there. Mad at his parents. He refused to see anybody. His family tried to see him. He wouldn't see anybody. Grandma Adele said Terry was angry all the time he was up there at Western State and he didn't want to see any of the family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he gets a hearing. Adele doesn't attend. Now the hospital determines that he's no longer meets the legal threshold of imminent danger to himself or others. So they had to let him go. So they let him go after a week there. So now, Wednesday, June 23, 1999, Terry's brought home to his parents house, who he's pissed off at, and Joey's across the street. And he's not real thrilled with him either. Sure. So Joey shows up at work June 24, and his shift partner asks him how it went. Basically, Terry coming home and everything. He said, I asked him, I said, well, do you think he's made any progress? And Joey's exact words was, he seems a little bit frustrated. I said, how do you feel knowing that you were a part of serving this warrant? And he said, I'd do it again. But then he said, but Amy's concerned. She was scared that something was going to happen. She's scared of Terri. So Amy's like, well, I don't want to be home. And he's across the street and he's mad at us and all that. So that day, the 24th of June, Amy is worried. She shows up unannounced. At a friend's house and sits down. And her friend said, I was at my house and Amy came in that night. She said, I want to come see you because I'm not going to live much longer. She said, we're not gonna live much longer, and this is probably gonna be the last time I see you. And I just wanna sit here and have some coffee and tell you I love you.

[B]

What's that about?

[A]

That is crazy.

[B]

I'd be like.

[A]

I was gonna say, do you have postpartum or something? Like, she seems like she needs a hold. This is.

[B]

Let's go to the courthouse and get that warrant.

[A]

That sounds sad. Like, are you gonna hurt yourself or is someone else gonna hurt you? They said she never said specifically her concerns regarding Terri, but Amy was scared to be by herself. She felt like somebody was watching her. And that was Amy's conversation. That was why she came to see me. She felt like she was being watched and she was just uncomfortable. Now, around that same time, Amy's telling coworkers at the restaurant that she's afraid of Terry because Terry's mad at Joey, basically, and he's right across the street. The owner of the restaurant said, though, that he and Joey had discussed the situation. And Joey didn't think there was any imminent danger. You know, he just thought she was. You know, there's a baby around, she gets scared and, you know, go around a nest and see how the mother animal acts when you go near their babies. They don't like it. So understandable, you know, chill about it. Yeah, not very chill. They get a little uptight about it. So in late June, like we said, he's off his meds. He got out of the place and he's off his meds, and it's not great now. It's bad stuff. He said that basically he had the delusional belief that he was telling people that we're not family. He had this belief that this wasn't his family anymore and they'd been replaced by pod people or some shit. He was spinning out is what it was. Really having a tough time here. Basically, like, this is like a psychotic mania. Like, he's just out of it, so. Sunday, June 27, 1999 at 6:15am okay, Joey. Officer Pastor Joey here. He is taking Brooklyn to the hospital. Okay? She's been sick all night, so they're taking her to the hospital here. He's carrying the kid out to the family car so Amy can drive her to the emergency room because he has to work. So Amy's gonna drive her to the emergency room and he's gonna then go to work. I believe she's been sick all night, the baby. Now they said, well, you know, they should be home by lunch. It won't be that busy at the er. It's fine. It's a Thursday morning. And there you go. Now Terry is across the street and Joey walks out the front door of his trailer. Terry here is sitting in his kitchen window about 100 yards away, watching. Okay. And he's watching for Joey. He's pissed off for Joey. And he has a high powered deer hunting rifle in his hand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's very. And he's very good at shooting. One thing he's a good. He's a hunter. That's what he does.

[B]

Turkeys and shit, doesn't he?

[A]

Yeah, turkeys and deer. Yeah. So when Joey comes out from 100 yards away, Joey shoots terror. Terry shoots Joey through the window.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Shoots him and drops him, Hit him, hits him. Joey collapses next to the car.

[B]

Oh, fuck.

[A]

Amy comes running out of the house toward the car when she hears this and sees this and jumps into the car. And we'll talk about this here. A 911 call comes in at this point, okay. It's pretty quiet this day. It's a summer day and not a busy day here. What is it, a Sunday? I believe it's a Sunday today. Easy day. Mainly welfare checks and shit like that. They're getting calls for. But they get a call saying there's shots fired on Wimberley Lane. So Derek Hembrich here is Amy's brother. He was staying overnight with Joey and Amy that night because Brooklyn was sick and they needed help. He heard the gunshots, looked outside, saw Terry and saw he had a big long gun and he was walking toward them after he heard the shot. So he called 911. Now the police arrive and the state troopers, they cut off the lane. They converge on it, close it down. And the chief or assistant chief said, I saw Joey lying between the door and the car with the car door forward. And I ran to Joey to check a pulse on him and didn't find one. I knew in my heart he was gone, he said. Then I got inside the car and checked on Amy. She was leaning across her. Across her arm was leaned on the console kind of like she was trying to start to be. But she didn't have a pulse either. No been shot either. Now the main question is, what do you think?

[B]

What do you mean, what do I think?

[A]

Where's the baby?

[B]

Where the fuck? Yeah. And that I was gonna say where the fuck is.

[A]

Where's the one year old?

[B]

Terry too.

[A]

They're looking at, you know, victims here. Where's the one year old? She's not in the car?

[B]

No.

[A]

So Derek the brother runs out and tells the cops he's got her. Terry came over, took the baby, shot Amy in the car and then took the fucking baby and took off. He's gone with the baby.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

So he said he shocked Joey through the window. Then he walked to the car and shot Amy. Then he took Brooklyn. Then he went back to the house.

[B]

Oh Jesus.

[A]

Just picked her up and fucking walked away. So this is terrifying. They're like, holy fuck. This is crazy. They killed a cop, his wife, and then stole the baby. This is insane. And her unborn and. Well, yeah, but I'm more worried about the fucking.

[B]

Yeah, the one that's.

[A]

The one that's alive. And actually a person at this point has a name. Has a name and a Social Security number. Yeah, get me some paperwork on that. We'll worry about that one later. But this one is alive and missing at this point. This poor child. So at this point they barricaded everything. They know where he is. He's in his house and he has possession of a one year old. And they don't know if the one year old's okay. So the state police start arriving in bunches here. I mean, this is a big deal. Huge, big deal. They said that. They said, quote, probably one of the scariest parts of my life was there wasn't a whole lot of COVID between where me and the officers, other officers were in the house. We didn't know which window he'd shot Joey through. So we ended up taking cover until the state police got there.

[B]

Yeah, we're just sitting out here and we have no idea what bandage he has on us.

[A]

Or turkeys for this matter. One of them said they had guns drawn because we didn't know exactly what kind of weapons Terry had. So yes, they were prepared if he decided to shoot at them, to shoot back. Then one said, I was concerned that Terry might try to use Brooklyn as a hostage. I mean, he had just killed her parents and taken her in the house with him. And we have no idea what he will or won't do at that point.

[B]

Yeah, what the fuck other reason would he have to have her?

[A]

It's crazy. So it's 7:20 in the morning. This is going on at one point, not very long after this. I mean, under an hour. Terry just Comes out. He comes out of the house and he's holding Brooklyn, okay, Holding the baby. They don't tell him. The officers just everybody pauses because he's got a baby. So they're like, oh, shit. He could do anything at this point. So until they get him to put the kid down, they're not gonna arrest, rush him or do anything. Look, one cop said, I didn't tell him that he was going to be arrested. I just told him that we needed to talk to him. And so he walked out the front door and stands there for a second with the baby and then just puts the baby down and surrenders without any resistance. But he does ask for a cigarette. Yeah, so I'd like a cigarette, please.

[B]

I would also. Yeah.

[A]

Turns out the cop said biggest concern when he came out of the house is that Brooklyn was in the line of fire. When he came out, he actually placed Brooklyn down and he surrendered. I went straight for Brooklyn. I wrapped her up in a raincoat and actually took her to the ambulance. And just the sense of relief to see that she was okay. And for a brief moment, then reality hit you again. Turns out he gave the baby snacks, gave her some ice cream and a banana. He took her in the house, just started babysitting.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Put the cartoons on and put banana. Here's a banana and some ice cream. Just like nothing happened. It was weird as shit. They said then the chief, when he gets inside, Chief Darren Harvey of Greenville said, when we moved the portable fireplace, that's where the weapons were. And we found the combat rounds were set up in every room. He had it set up to.

[B]

He was ready to use this as his.

[A]

Yeah, he was going to go down. This was going to be his. Alamo is basically it. Hey everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about our SafeST sponsor, SimpliSafe.

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[A]

They said combat rounds are where you set up two bullets or ammo side by side where you can pick them up and load them quickly. And then you have them in every room so you don't ever run out. You can fire walk by, grab it and put that in. He was prepared for basically war with a.

[B]

With a bolt action, I guess.

[A]

So if you have cover and you're a good shot. Yeah, why not? So the other question is, where the fuck are Todd and Beverly?

[B]

Yeah, where are they at his parents?

[A]

Yeah. They enter the house, they don't find Todd, they don't find Beverly. They find all these weapons and stations, ammo positioned everywhere. And the vehicle, which is a Dodge Intrepid, they find that outside it has A wet interior, like someone tried to hose out the interior of the car. It's all wet. So that's very strange. And the phone at the parents house kept ringing while they're processing all this. So the officer who was answering the phone said it was crazy because they have two dead people, including a cop and a pregnant woman. They have a cop and a pregnant woman, a baby that was just held hostage, this guy who was planning a shootout with the cops. And the phone is ringing every five minutes because people are pissed off. Their paper hasn't come this morning. So they're calling Beverly to bitch about it.

[B]

Don't worry, tomorrow's paper will have the reason why.

[A]

You're gonna find out a whole lot tomorrow. Don't you worry about that shit. Because they delivered the paper early in the morning. It's Sunday. You don't get your Sunday paper, you're pissed. Oh, the fat one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. The people were calling and saying they hadn't gotten it yet. So they were like, where the fuck are Beverly and Todd? They go 5am to do this. They've been doing it for 15 years. And they said, at that point we realized we now had two missing people also.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because they're nowhere to be found. So they sit Todd down at 11 o' clock in the morning for about 15 to 20 minutes. He does not sign the waiver relinquishing his rights, but he does agree to talk without a lawyer. But he won't sign anything.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It was at that point that he admitted to everything. He'd admitted to the killings. He said, yeah, I shot my cousin, I shot Amy. Yeah. You can't force people to sign things. But if they physically wave it, you record it. Yeah. If we read it to you and you did it. I mean, there's workarounds there, especially in rural Kentucky in 1999. It might be a little more precise.

[B]

The point is just do you have to establish that they know it or that they heard it?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. That they understand and they were told it is essentially all it is. Now the police officer said he was cooperative, he was not upset. He said he was very kind of matter of fact. Then the second interrogation, they talked to him more at about 4:30. And he detailed the sequence of how everything happened. And so the cop says, quote, he went through how he killed his mom and dad and then how he killed the Vincents. Yeah. He said when we talked about his mother, his voice would break and he cried on and off.

[B]

I felt bad about that one.

[A]

Yeah. They said the rights thing by the way, they said, first of all, you understand what your rights are, and you're in agreement with.

[B]

With.

[A]

You still talk to me, right? And he said, yes. And they said, terry, we need to find your mom and dad. They said he didn't say much about that in the beginning. And I said, terry, where's your mom and dad? So he begins to tell me that his mom and dad, they were at what he called a wildlife refuge.

[B]

Okay. It's the place where he hunts. And he left them out there.

[A]

Yep. And they're not just, like, taking in the animals and taking pictures and shit. They're there.

[B]

They're not looking at whatever foul is there this year.

[A]

No, no. They're like, let's. Oh, the new turkey babies. They're so cute. He had beat his father with a baseball bat, and he had shot his mother in the head with a 10 gauge while she was sitting in the truck.

[B]

That's why he feels bad.

[A]

That's why he feels bad. And then he shot Joey because he said, fuck it, if I already killed them, now I'm gonna kill Joey because I'm pissed off at him and fucking. Where? Amy tried to get in the car to drive away, and he shot her in the goddamn car.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

That's fucking ridiculous. A trooper in the room steps out of the room to dispatch a search team to the wetland area that they described. And 15ft off the road in standing water, a state trooper finds Beverly Weddings body.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

12ft from her is Todd as well. They're both obviously pronounced dead at the scene. Terry just talks about it with. They said, a surreal calm. Just completely calm, the cop said. He told me that he took his father out to the cemetery. He said that I beat him with the baseball bat. And he had asked his mom. He asked his dad to take him out to the cemetery to see his grandmother or something. He wanted to go see family. So Todd said, all right, fine. Goddamn, I'll take you out to the fucking cemetery. He's just taking him out there for this? Yeah. Then they said, how many times did you hit him with the bat? And they said, so after you put your dad in the cemetery, did you go home and get your mother then? And he said, yes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And they said, were you in the truck when you shot your mom? And he said. They said, she never saw what you were going to do. And he said, no. So Terry had said, joey first. Now I was watching for him. That's when I put it on. And I sat there and she said, she Was sorry. She said, don't you hear me? And I put Brooklyn behind the car and I shot her twice. So Amy was in the car saying, whatever it is, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And he said he calmly went and put Brooklyn behind the car, came back and shot her, which is cold blooded as fuck.

[B]

Jesus Christ.

[A]

When they said, were you angry that Joey helped? Were you mad at Joey? And he said, he said no. No. He said he would get. At one point, he said he would get very angry during the interview and say, no, that's not the reason. That's not the reason. Because they kept saying, because Joey took you in. And he kept saying, no, you're not listening to me.

[B]

What's the reason?

[A]

They don't know. That's the thing. In his mind, who the fuck knows? I guess it makes no sense. Maybe he's jealous, I don't know.

[B]

In his mind he's articulated what the reason is, but nobody can gather what the fuck he's saying.

[A]

But the way they look at it is these are the four people who were involved in committing him last time. It was Todd helped Joey chase Terry down. Beverly was the one who called and Amy was the one who drove her to the courthouse. Those four people are the cabal against him is the way he's looking at it. So they said Terry was very angry that he had to go to Western State. Joey was one of the officers who had chased him down because he ran and his father helped chase him down. Amy and the mom went to the county's attorney's office to get the warrant. So he was upset with the whole bunch. It was just a big revenge plot essentially here. So they said that, by the way, he didn't know Amy was pregnant either.

[B]

They hadn't even told him.

[A]

They hadn't told people yet about it. So it was still, I think maybe three months. So they hadn't told anybody yet. So he didn't know. So they didn't. And they didn't find out until they did the autopsy, essentially.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So apparently on Saturday, June 26, Terry had approached his father and said he wanted to drive over to a nearby cemetery to visit his grandmother's grave. So Todd agrees. They get out and go in there. Terry stayed home. Terry had an aluminum baseball bat already put in the car ahead of time that Todd didn't know about.

[B]

Out.

[A]

It's isolated. He attacked him with the bat. He then dumped Terry's body in the wetland. And you know, that was it. He said he'd been hit. Terry told us he hit his father with a baseball bat and he shot his mother in the head with the 10 gauge while she sat in the truck. Then he drove back to Wimberley Lane and got Beverly. He tells his mother that he needs to. She needs to come with him. That's basically said, you got to come with me. You got to come with me. So they said that Beverly was already in her Dodge pickup when Terry approached. He shot his mother while she sat there and then took her to the preserve and threw her in the wetland and threw her in the water as well. And that was. Right. So, yeah, he drove at least one of the family vehicles, the Dodge Intrepid, back to the property and washed it out because he had shot his mother in there. He stole about $1,200 in cash from his mother's belongings inside the house. Set up all these rounds throughout the house and concealed firearms behind a portable fireplace. And stashed an additional weapon in the trunk of a Geoprism parked at the house, which I bet. Yeah, see, but. Yeah, I haven't heard of that in a while.

[B]

In 97, that was a useful vehicle.

[A]

That was a very. Yeah. Just got a hatchback on that bad boy. So, yeah, he said he just shot him through the parents kitchen. And from his confession, he said, quote, I just. I sat there. This is about Amy. She said she was sorry. She was. I said, don't you hear me? And I put Brooklyn behind the car and I shot twice. So that's fucking rough. He said, I waited for the cops. They broke me through. He said, I gave her a banana. I gave her some ice cream. She was crying. Now, years later, Brooklyn, who survived this, obviously said, I think this blurry, like a dark hue over that day, while I don't remember, I was told that not only did he spare me in a sense, but he cared for me that day just like any family member would. Which is strange. You know what I mean? He still had love for this baby. They said that. Right now, the cops said, we're working on a motor. We're trying to nail down anything that may be more obvious to those in the community. It just doesn't make sense. He said, joey's about as nice a person as you'd ever meet, and he'd do anything for you. So it doesn't make sense. Adele said this quote, this is Grandma. I kind of feel hard towards Terry, and that's an awful thing for a grandmother to say. We blame Western State. We don't understand.

[B]

They shouldn't let him out, huh?

[A]

We Put him in there, and then he came out and he did this. So we don't know. You know what I mean? They held all four funerals together on the same day. Yeah, all the police officers came and they had flags and all that stuff. It was a big thing. This is very much similar to the Axtel Texas case we had a couple weeks ago, except a lot different. I liked it because it was a similar type of thing, but it could happen in a different way. Anyway, really, really weird. One of the library employees said, I think everyone's just in shock. You hear something like this about such a good bunch of people and you just don't believe it. You know, deep down it's the truth, but your mind just won't let you believe it. And Adele said, I did go to the funeral and the visitation, but I didn't stay. I went home to keep Brooklyn, because we kept Brooklyn while all this was going on. And I was sitting there rocking her. I watched her mom and dad pass by the house and hers meaning going. So Terry's charged with four counts of murder. Yeah, that's it. So four counts he's arraigned here. And also on one count of theft, because he stole $1,200, he pleads innocent. And there's that. Now Beverly's younger sister and Joey's mother Jean here, Jean and Johnny, they end up raising Brooklyn, by the way. And basically they said they don't want the death penalty for Terry. They're like, we're going to put him in death penalty. And this is the quote. Nothing is going to bring them back, no matter what they do. What's the point?

[B]

They kill the cousin.

[A]

And I agree. So Terry wants a change of venue. He's like, oh, my God, everyone in this town and everyone in this county knows about this shit. The judge denied the change of venue. All right, we gonna keep it right here. Now, there's several. Basically, during all this, once they decide that the trial is gonna go forward in this county, Terry decides he wants a plea.

[B]

He doesn't wanna do that, huh?

[A]

No. So they're gonna have a plea. They have several mental health people look him over, and pretty much everybody said the same exact thing. Defense people, prosecution people. He's got bipolar. He's had two prior involuntary hospitalizations. The defense one said he's not criminally responsible. But as we know, it's a real thin line of what that is in court. So basically they all said, yeah, he's nuts, but he doesn't know where he is. Nuts type of Thing doesn't not understand the consequences of his actions. Type of deal. But they all say bipolar I disorder, psychotic features. That's what they all get. So he pleads guilty, but mentally ill, which is distinct from not guilty by reason of insanity here. Yeah. Cause this is a finding of guilt with full criminal liability, plus a court determination that he is suffering a mental illness as well.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So there you go. He pleads guilty but mentally ill to four counts of murder. And the commonwealth withdraws its death penalty notice. And basically, in 1999 in Kentucky, they said insanity defenses succeed at a national rate of well under 1%.

[B]

Yeah. You gotta be.

[A]

Which. Think about how many.

[B]

They're very wary of using that.

[A]

Think about how many batshit crazy people they are. It's way more than less than 1%. It's just people want vengeance, and I get it. But, you know, it's also not really. Words have definitions. And mentally ill. If they're mentally ill, they're mentally ill. So what are we talking about?

[B]

At the same time, mentally ill people. People also get a bad rap because there are lots of people that are just fine and they utilize that fucking defense because they just don't want the harsh pedal.

[A]

Oh, yeah. That's what you gotta parse out between what's left.

[B]

That's the problem.

[A]

Yep. So basically the here comes down to sentencing. You, sir, may fuck off. Life without parole on each of the four counts.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[A]

And then they also add in the theft count, too.

[B]

He's never getting out.

[A]

Never getting out? No.

[B]

Wow.

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After the hearing, one of the officials here said he's a very sad and emotional young man. He's lost so many members of his family that he loved. That's what he said.

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He sacrificed so many.

[A]

I mean, he shot them all. Yeah. Now his Uncle William wedding, which is Todd's brother, said he doesn't buy it. And he doesn't buy the defense that he killed him because of mental illness either. He says that's just something for Terry to grab onto. He said that? And this guy's wife. He also said that Terry had threatened to, quote, get him in March of 98. So he said. He threatened me too. And his wife said, quote, this is his aunt. He's just mean. He had the best parents anyone could ask for. He's just mean is what they said. Yeah. But then he also said, if my brother could speak from the grave, I'm sure he'd say, Terry didn't mean it. Don't do nothing to him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So.

[B]

Yeah, you can't have both ways.

[A]

No. Brooklyn said that she was very thankful that he didn't kill her. She watched old footage on a documentary and said, that's always such a weird clip for me to watch. Because you want to look at them and go, oh, yeah, that's just cousin Terry. But instead, you look at it and almost feel sick to your stomach. He goes for some appeals, ineffective assistance of counsel, not getting the appeal, the failure to appeal, the venue denial, which they probably should have. Also some statutory shit, but it's affirmed. He's staying in there. And she said, this is Brooklyn saying, quote, I was born in July of 97 to two really excited parents. They were constantly doting over me. They were constantly playing with me, I think surprising themselves with how much they could love a little human. Yeah. And she said this. If I could talk to Joey now, this is her father, I would say, I miss you. I hope I'm doing well. I hope I'm trying to help and we're okay. And thanks for the memories. So Terry here incarcerated. He basically. Yeah. They said he's been unstable. He's been stable and on medication since they arrested him. He's been flying.

[B]

They're not gonna let him. Not take his shot.

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Yeah. But he's expressed remorse, saying that once he got put on medication, he, quote, realized what he had done. At that point, he was like, oh, fuck. They said Terry reportedly realized what he had done and immediately accepted responsibility. The trailer's gone on Wimberley Lane, Joey and Amy's trailer. So everything else is still standing. It's crazy, man. Greenville Police Department had not had another officer killed in the line of duty since then. That's the first time, really. And he wasn't even in the line of duty. He was taking his kid to the hospital. So there was a documentary called A Wedding and Four Funerals, investigation discovery. That was the. This was an investigation discovery episode of American Monster titled A Wedding and Four Funerals Here, which isn't a bad title. That's pretty good. So there you go. There is Greenville Depoix, whatever, Kentucky. That shit is crazy. That's what I mean. And this is just these little things that can just pop up that you don't even know about. And in the middle of nowhere like that. And it's just scary shit. And, yeah, it was similar, like I said, had a similar kind of thing to the Axtel Texas case. And I was like, man, that just interests me. That similar, but different. So if you go back and listen

[B]

to that one, this is why you got to take care of your head. Man, this is crazy.

[A]

Oh, it's. Yeah. I mean, mental health is tough and even if you are taking care of it, even if you're on the medication, sometimes things happen, you know what I mean? He went off his meds and then they couldn't get him back on and it's difficult. Mental health is tough. Yeah. Take care of your shit, everybody. So there you go. Anyway, there is Kentucky, if you enjoyed that crazy ass episode. Definitely, definitely. Give us five stars on whatever app you're listening on. Absolutely. Give a thumbs up or whatever on Netflix. Do all that good stuff for us. Head over to shutupandgivememurder.com tickets for live shows here. I don't think Royal Oak on May 30th has any left. So get in there on September 18th and 19th when we're in Milwaukee and Minneapolis. Get those right now. Shut upandgivememurder.com follow on social media, smalltownmurder on Instagram, smalltown pot on Facebook. Do all that stuff. Listen to crime and sports. Listen to your stupid opinions. Get yourself Patreon, everybody. That's the key. Patreon.com CrimeInSports is where you get all of the bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above, you're gonna get everything we put out, including as soon as you subscribe, like almost 400 back bonus episodes. You're gonna love all that. Then you get new ones every other week. One crime in sports, one small town murder. This week crime and sports, personal ads. Let's read through how people found love in the newspaper. Love with inky hands in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. Then for small town murder it is that new FLDS documentary, the Trust Me Fall False Prophet 1, which is bonkers and you got to see it to believe it there.

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