Facebook Catfish Murders - Mountain City, Tennessee

Summary

Podcast Summary: Small Town Murder – "Facebook Catfish Murders - Mountain City, Tennessee"

Introduction

In the episode titled "Facebook Catfish Murders - Mountain City, Tennessee," hosts James Petregallo and Jimmy Whisman delve into a chilling case where social media turmoil in a small Tennessee town escalated into a series of tragic murders. Combining in-depth research with their signature comedic flair, the hosts explore the intricate dynamics of Mountain City and the dark events that unfolded between 2011 and 2012.

Key Characters

1. Janelle Lee Potter
   A 30-year-old woman with developmental disabilities, including type 1 diabetes and speech issues. Janelle is portrayed as highly dependent on her overprotective parents, Buddy and Barbara Potter.

2. Marvin E. "Buddy" Potter, Jr.
   The 60-year-old patriarch of the Potter family. A Vietnam veteran with chronic health issues, Buddy is depicted as volatile, armed with multiple firearms, and harboring deep-seated anger issues.

3. Barbara "Barbie" May Potter
   Buddy's wife, a former Hewlett Packard employee, who is fiercely protective of her family. Barbara is portrayed as complicit in the family's hostile actions towards outsiders.

4. Jamie Curd
   A friend of the Potter family, introduced as a computer mechanic. Jamie becomes embroiled in the family's violent plans due to manipulated circumstances.

5. Chris
   A fabricated CIA agent created by Janelle Potter to manipulate and intimidate neighbors and outsiders through social media.

6. Victims

   • Billie Jean Hayworth: Alleged to be involved romantically with Billy Payne and a target of the Potter family's wrath.
   • Lindsay Thomas & Tara Osborne: Individuals who faced harassment and threats from Janelle and the Potter family via social media.

Plot Overview

Early 2011: Social Media Conflicts Begin

The turmoil begins when the Potter family, particularly Janelle, engages in aggressive behavior on social media platforms like Facebook and Topics. Janelle starts making hostile posts against neighbors, labeling them as "mean girls" and spreading false accusations about their personal lives, including claims of drug dealing and unfaithfulness.

“Shut up and give me murder.” – James Petregallo [00:01]

Janelle's relentless harassment leads to strained relationships within the tightly-knit community. Friends and neighbors begin to receive threatening messages and prank calls from what they believe to be Janelle, although these actions are later revealed to be orchestrated using a fabricated CIA agent persona.

Escalation to Threats and Planning

The Potter family's antagonism intensifies as they fabricate threats of violence to protect their family, particularly Janelle. Through the creation of "Agent Chris," they manipulate others to believe there's a larger conspiracy against them, thereby justifying their extreme actions.

“These people are trash. They are a bunch of white trash, no good ugly people.” – Matt Potter on Topics [70:58]

Buddy Potter becomes increasingly aggressive, stockpiling guns and involving Jamie Curd in his plans. The fabricated CIA narrative convinces Jamie to act as a lookout, further entrenching him in the family's violent schemes.

The Murders: January 31, 2012

On the night of January 31, 2012, Buddy and Jamie execute their plan. They confront Billy Payne and his girlfriend Billie Jean at their residence. The confrontation turns deadly when Buddy fatally shoots Billy and Billie Jean, while sparing their seven-month-old child. The brutality of the murders shocks the small community.

“A cold blooded person to shoot someone holding an infant.” – Special Agent Scott Lott [136:50]

Investigation and Trial

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation swiftly focuses on the Potter family as potential suspects due to prior threats and the discovery of extensive evidence linking them to the murders, including shredded emails and a cache of weapons.

Evidence and Confessions

Reconstructed emails reveal the manipulation by Janelle and Barbara, showcasing their intent to silence and eliminate perceived threats through fabricated rumors and direct threats of violence.

Buddy Potter eventually confesses to the murders during his interrogation, citing the family's relentless harassment as his motive. Janelle and Barbara follow suit, with both pleading guilty to charges of first-degree murder and conspiracy.

“May fuck off.” – Jimmy Whisman [170:58]

Sentencing and Aftermath

Buddy receives a 25-year prison sentence after pleading guilty, while Janelle and Barbara are sentenced to life imprisonment. Their manipulative tactics and the use of social media as a weapon in their vendetta mark a disturbing precedent in the intersection of technology and personal conflict.

Conclusions and Insights

The "Facebook Catfish Murders" case underscores the potent and potentially destructive power of social media in small communities. It highlights how fabricated identities and relentless online harassment can escalate into real-world violence. The case led to legal reforms in Tennessee regarding the handling of digital evidence and the management of familial conspiracies in criminal investigations.

James and Jimmy conclude the episode by reflecting on the surreal nature of the case, emphasizing the need for vigilance in online interactions and the profound impact of personal vendettas.

Notable Quotes

• James Petregallo [00:01]: "This week in Mountain City, Tennessee, a group of friends are torn apart by social media bickering. But did a Facebook unfriending cause a series of events leading to multiple awful murders? Welcome to Small Town Murder."

• Matt Potter on Topics [70:58]: "She's a fucking no good person and people try to get her, but she has a lot of us behind her..."

• Special Agent Scott Lott [136:50]: "It takes a cold blooded person to shoot someone holding an infant."

Final Thoughts

"Facebook Catfish Murders - Mountain City, Tennessee" serves as a stark reminder of the unforeseen consequences that can arise from online conflicts. Through their detailed recounting and candid discussions, James and Jimmy shed light on a tragic narrative where digital harassment spiraled into fatal vengeance, forever altering the lives of everyone involved in the small town of Mountain City.

Transcript

[James Petregallo]

This week in Mountain City, Tennessee, a group of friends are torn apart by social media bickering. But did a Facebook unfriending cause a series of events leading to multiple awful murders? Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello everybody and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay. Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petregallo. I'm here with my co host.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm Jimmy Whisman.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today. Another absolutely insane Hill Edition Hills edition of Small Town Murder. I apologize for my partner's voice today.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I don't.

[James Petregallo]

It's not good. I'll put it that way.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I sound worse than I feel.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he's feeling better. Sounding terrible. So there's that. Definitely what you want to do here is head over to shutupandgivememurder.com get your tickets for live shows we have coming up in the fall. I just saw because we had some comps and holds and stuff, we just released a few for San Diego. So there are a few tickets left for San Diego now. I think Grand Rapids is probably gone.

[Jimmy Whisman]

By now, but little bit of dc.

[James Petregallo]

Little bit of dc, little bit of Philly and Seattle. Those are your choices. So come on out, see a show. We're jacked to see you guys. Thank you for doing that. Shut up and give me murder.com also listen to our other two shows, Crime in Sports and your stupid opinions as well. If you want to laugh more. Crime in Sports. We're doing a multi part i5 serial killer. The i5 killer, he played for the packers for about 12 seconds. So if you want to hear about that, check that out and get yourself Patreon.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Here we go.

[James Petregallo]

And here we go. This week we will announce that and we did it on the Express last week. But patreon, your subscription, $5 a month or above. Patreon.com CrimeInSports not only get you tons of bonus material, hundreds of episodes you get immediately upon subscription and new ones every other week. But also gets you Crime and Sports, your stupid opinions and Small town murder. All ad free as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

All of it.

[James Petregallo]

All of it. All included in $5. So you can't beat that. I'm sorry. That's the best deal that we could possibly offer. Just it's everything we could give you for five bucks this week for Patreon. What you're going to get is for Crime and sports, which you have access to. Of course we're going to talk about Jeff Alm. We didn't get a chance to do that last week because Jimmy was sick and I didn't want to torture the poor guy. So then for small town murder, we are going to talk about the poop cruise.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Here we go.

[James Petregallo]

By popular demand because I can't explain the amount of messages I've gotten saying please do the poop cruise for Patreon. And we might dip into. Because it's the ocean. We might dip into a little bit of the Titan submers stuff too in that it'll be fun. It'll just be ocean disaster day. So that's patreon.com crimeinsports to get all of that. And every show we put out ad free as well. You can't beat it, everybody. So sign up and you also get a shout out at the end of the show or Jimmy will mispronounce your name for you. So that's fun.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You bet.

[James Petregallo]

There you go. That said, disclaimer time. This is a comedy show, everybody. We are comedians and we're gonna make jokes. But that does not mean that any of this information is false or exaggerated for some kind of comedic effect. Absolutely not. That's the scary part of the show. You'd imagine we'd made this crazy stuff up, but we didn't. This is real stuff. Everything is 100% real and meticulously researched, I might add. So check that out and you know, we have a good time here. Now what we don't do to, you know, avoid being weird here is we never make fun of the victims or the victims families.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why is that, James?

[James Petregallo]

Because we're assholes.

[Jimmy Whisman]

But.

[James Petregallo]

But we're not scumbags. That's how that works. See, if you think that that sounds good to you, you're going to hear one hell of a weird story this week if you think that true crime and comedy should never ever go together. I don't know what you're doing here, but even if you are here by mistake, check it out. I don't think you're going to be disappointed. And if you are, no complaining later. That said, I think it's time everybody, let's all sit back. What do you say here? Let's clear the lungs and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay?

[James Petregallo]

Let's go on a trip. Here we go.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

We are going to Tennessee this week, okay? And we are going into the sticks. Boy, I'll tell you something. We are going to Mountain City, Tennessee, which, I don't know, you've probably never heard of Mountain City, Tennessee, because I never Heard of Mountain City, Tennessee? Yeah, it certainly is not. It is the far northeastern tip of Tennessee where Tennessee comes to a point there. Yeah, it's in there. The panhandle all day long. Man, this is some panhandle stuff and some panhandle behavior this week for sure. This is about two hours to Knoxville and about five hours and 45 minutes to Springfield, Tennessee. Our last Tennessee episode, which was Zombie Wife, which. That was crazy. I remember that. The guy thought his wife was a zombie. That's why he killed her. It's interesting. This is in Johnson county, area code 423. And the motto here is the gateway to the Appalachian Mountains.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Sure is.

[James Petregallo]

And it is. It's more like right in the middle of the Appalachian Mountains. That's really what it is here. A little bit of history here. We won't spend too much time. The area was part of Carter county at first, but the county seat of Carter county was Elizabethton. And it was hard to get there from here. So they made another county. Oh, had to go over the hills and all that. Donkeys pulling your cart and everything. So they said, screw it, and they made another county and they made Johnson county in 1836. And they needed a county seat. So they said, this is going to be the one here. We'll make this the county seat. They platted the land. They named it Taylorsville after Colonel James P. Taylor. Then they changed it. Great guy. He's a poster on my wall. Growing up, always. I know you had it, too. You know what I mean? Multiple posters. It was like Michael Jordan about to dunk. And then right next to him was Colonel James P. Taylor. Just so in 1885, they changed it to Mountain City at the urging of a prominent citizen and U.S. congressman Roderick R. Butler, who wanted the town's name to reflect where it was. Among one of the. Sitting in one of the highest valleys in Tennessee.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay, okay.

[James Petregallo]

Now, the town became famous for hosting the Old Time fiddlers convention in 1925. This was like a bridge between old timey music and the 20th century. Basically, all the shit they've been doing out in the hills and everything for a long time is kind of the way to bring that into the mainstream in modern times. So that's kind of cool. Here. They held it in the East Tennessee town of Mountain city here in 1925, attended by tons of musicians. And they had a contest also here. And Dudley Vance of Bluff City, Tennessee won first prize with his performance of Twinkle Little Star.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.

[James Petregallo]

They didn't have as many Songs back then, really, it's.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You know, I don't know if.

[James Petregallo]

If he had to dip into the public domain or what, but not sure. Reviews of his song opener singing Happy Birthday, that was his start. Then he sang Lullaby and Good night as his closer. He's like, all right, thank you so much, everybody. He dropped his fiddle. Drop came to town, dropped his fiddle. They don't sing that down there. He dropped his fiddle and walked off stage.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, that's fantastic.

[James Petregallo]

Reviews of this town. Let's find out what others think, because we've never been there. I never even heard of it. Here's four stars. Something I enjoy about living in Mountain City is the scenic views that surround this small town. One can visit many local restaurants, and the great service and food make one feel at home, even if one is not from the area. Okay, I don't know why that was hard to read for me, but even if one.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Because that's bizarre.

[James Petregallo]

It's a strange wording. It's an odd syntax. Right. It doesn't fit. Here is one star. Mountain City is full of crime and crackheads. It seems meth is the largest cash crop in Johnson County. That's hilarious. The city and county go to great lengths to cover the crime and drug problem in Johnson county and Mountain City. Cover it up, man. The people are uneducated Bible thumpers that would rather gossip about someone than live in their own lives. The area has nothing to offer. Or one has to travel to another town for essential items such as grocery shopping, doctors, clothing, auto repairs, et cetera. There are much better areas in northeast Tennessee to live in. Wow. They do not like it here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No, they hate it.

[James Petregallo]

Okay, that is quite a bit. I don't even know what to say there. And that is people either say, it's beautiful, I like it. Nice small town, everybody knows each other, or full of meth. This place is corrupt and methy and horrible and, you know, all that kind of thing. So here, people. 23, 67 people here. So not a big place.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And it's not like, you know, abutting several other towns. It's kind of by itself just sitting up there. The men and women, few more females than males. It is 53% female, which is higher than normal. Obviously. Median age here is a little above the national average. It's almost 45. So the crowd's a little older people here, a little less married people. Yeah, it's usually 50, 50 here. It's about 42% fewer people that are single with children here as well. So race in this town, 91% white, 3.1% black, 1.3% Asian. I don't know how the hell they ended up here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's weird.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. You normally don't go to like a. A town like this. It's like three restaurants maybe, I don't know what it is. And 2.3% Hispanic. So it's about 50. 50. It's exactly 50%. Pretty much in religion, people who are religious. And the number one religion with a bullet and running away is Baptist. Obviously Baptists, as we know, are the Catholics of the south. Yeah, there we go. A lot of those. Unemployment is about average here. Median household income is not average at all.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

Rest of the country it's a little over 69,000 is the 12 grand average here. 29,155 household income, that is something else.

[Jimmy Whisman]

How do you do it?

[James Petregallo]

I don't know how you survive that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Like that make things.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I guess so. Or go without things. One or the other.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Cost of living here, 100 is average. Regular here it's 73.4. So little bit you want it to be lower than that? If it's going to. The pay is going to be so low. The housing.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Goddamn money.

[James Petregallo]

No, the housing is the lowest thing. Luckily here the housing is the median home cost, 183,800 bucks, which still seems excessive. If you're only making 29 grand, that's kind of. That's going to be difficult. So maybe you don't care. You're moving in lock, stock and barrel.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

We have for you the Mountain City Tennessee real estate report. Average two bedroom rental here goes for $810, which is well below the national average by a good long shot. Here it's usually almost 1300. Here is house number one. If you want to call it a house. It looks like a shed. Oh, it looks like a. Like a good sized shed where you could like keep stuff. Or like a one. Like a tiny one car garage. That's what it looks like. I'm gonna show it to you. Look at it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

All right. Holy shit.

[James Petregallo]

It's a green box.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's a house.

[James Petregallo]

That's a house. Look at the inside. Yeah, yeah, there's shit in there. Two bedroom, two bath. So technically T bowl for all your b holes here. 450 square feet.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's not.

[James Petregallo]

How do you squeeze two bedrooms and two bathrooms into a 450 square foot? It's a box. It's a one car garage. It's the best way to describe it. One of those standalones. 0.6 acres it's on. So a little over half an acre. Give you some room for your box. That's nice.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

It's on Shingle Town Road, which sounds gross.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

$100,000 for that?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Seems like 100. It's a $2,000 shed somebody bought from Home Depot.

[James Petregallo]

You could buy it at Lowe's and just put it up in an afternoon and you're outside, but it won't have two bedrooms and two baths.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I suppose you're buying the land.

[James Petregallo]

I guess. Here's a three bedroom, two bath, 3,304 square foot house. It's on two acres. And I'm going to show it to you because where it is is kind of the unique part.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

It just sits on this hill overlooking a bunch of stuff on the edge. On the edge. It's kind of cool. Like the location. I kind of like that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It is scary.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, it's definitely scary. Things are going to come out of those woods at some point here. This house is 490,000 bucks. It's like on the edge and there's a big hill below it with a bunch of trees and you can see the mountains. Steep, nice view. 490 grand. Only 2 acres too. Seems like a lot. And then this house here. Look at this thing. This is like your fancy cabin, basically.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh my.

[James Petregallo]

All wood inside. Real nice. Seven bedroom, eight bathroom. That's a T ball for all your b holes there. 6,996 square feet.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Geez.

[James Petregallo]

That. And it's appropriately on. On a banker's bend road. So that's about right because you got to be a banker. 2.46 acres is the lot it's on. $1,780,000.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

Median household income is 29 grand here. Who's buying?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What are they doing? How do they justify that?

[James Petregallo]

I don't understand it at all. I can't imagine. I mean, it's nice, it's great, but I mean, you have to be like.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This is like one of those properties that seems worth it.

[James Petregallo]

No, this is like if you're like a country singer and you like to come out here for your Instagram and take pictures and make it look like that's how you live, even though your country. Even though you live in Nashville. You know what I mean? I think this is where you come to pretend to be. Look at me. I'm a hick. No, you're not. No, you're not.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Look at me. I got. I got foot. Hookworm.

[James Petregallo]

You live in A loft, hookworm boy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. You live in a loft above Kid Rock's place?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. What are you talking about? Things to do here. Okay, there is only one thing to do, and that is the Sunflower Festival.

[Jimmy Whisman]

There you go. That's the thing.

[James Petregallo]

So you imagine that, okay, it's gotta be sunflower season. There's sunflowers everywhere. Well, we'll talk about. We'll talk about how this happened and the fact that this is a festival for things that just don't exist anymore, which is pretty funny. They had to have a new location at the Johnson County High School this year. So we got that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why is that?

[James Petregallo]

Don't know. Just had to move. Somebody sold their farm. I'm not sure. It says the Sunflower Festival to take place in the summer and the Pumpkin Festival to take place in the fall. Although we. And then the next sentence is although we no longer have the Pumpkin festival. Okay, well then why'd you mention doesn't exist anymore? That's what I mean. What are we talking about when considering the theme for the summertime festival and what representation they should choose the two, meaning the people that were discussing this festival. There was about three paragraphs about people they didn't give a shit about and that they thought about a festival. The two discussed the stunningly beautiful sunflower covered fields of yellow that adorn both sides of Highway 167 and settled on the Sunflower Festival. Of course. Yeah, gotta have that. They say, though the beautiful sunflower fields no longer exist.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

The sunflower starts to bloom in mid to late summer in Johnson county and is therefore still a perfect representative of flower for our annual festival, even though we don't have any.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Ah, this is absurd.

[James Petregallo]

This is absurd. This is just. It's weird shit. Now they have pageants there. That's kind of the big deal of this festival is all the pageants they have.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

And the pageants have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 categories.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What are they?

[James Petregallo]

Okay. They're all for women, by the way. No, like King of. No Sunflower King title or anything. You have Baby Miss, which is newborn to one years old.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Months, only six months. Toddler miss, which is two to three years old.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, what about the one to two?

[James Petregallo]

Well, that's one year in the cupboard. It's zero to one year. 11 months and 29 days is the one. Little miss, which is four to six years.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Petite Miss, which is. What do you think? Six to eight, seven to nine. There we go.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Close. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Preteen miss, which is 10 to 12 you know.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Teen miss, which is 13 to 15.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. One that we all beat off to.

[James Petregallo]

And then miss, which is 16 to 17, which in this area is considered aged out. You know, they call that the old maid category around here. That's what that is. They go bring out the old maids. Now. Several of them bring their children up there too to try to garner sympathy or empathy and you know, get people to vote for them. But, you know, it doesn't work. Now they say the judges will score in three areas based on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being the lowest, 10 being the highest. Scoring includes attire, personality and overall appearance. What do you look like? What do you look like? 6 year old. Each contestant will be scored individually and the overall highest score in each division will receive the top placement of Miss Sunflower Queen. We will allow our judges to score based on the performance rather than facial beauty because we believe every contestant is beautiful in their own way. Although an ugly girl never wins. Yeah. Although the one who wins it's always the prettiest girl in the county, probably. Okay. Now there's also entertainment here as well, obviously. I mean, you got to have some entertainment. We will have magician Dylan Williams. Oh, he's. Well, he might be a little late though. He has the. He has the. He has the Jackson birthday party at the bowling alley at about 12:30. So he's got a. It's. He's cutting it close that day.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You want to impress me? Make the fucking sunflower fields show back up.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Bring back the pumpkin festival then. I'm impressed. The Young at Heart square and line dance group. Oh yeah, that's going to. It's literally children line dancing.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No, it's. It's Young at Heart.

[James Petregallo]

Young at heart. Yes. So it's old fox, but it's old. And there's kids too. Okay. It's elderly people and 12 year olds line dancing together, which. Everybody wants to watch that then. No one.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm gonna blow your mind right now. Do you know what Tennessee's age of consent is, James? We've got all these groups that you can look at and judge very carefully.

[James Petregallo]

Is it one of the 14 states like Idaho or whatever?

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's 18.

[James Petregallo]

It's 18. Okay. Yeah, that's good.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So none of these kids are legal. That's great.

[James Petregallo]

No, that's good. I'm sure that they're. That's really adhered to around these places.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's probably why they do this in this county, is to show all the men. These are the ones you're not allowed to try to talk.

[James Petregallo]

Well, no, it's like going to a car show. This is next year's models, I think, is what they are. That's what they're telling the fellows are like. Yeah, look at that. It's just creepy. It's just creepy. I don't want to watch. I never want to watch teenagers parade around, ever. I just don't have any interest in it. Noah Thompson will be there. Oh, yeah, some country guy. I don't know.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I've been waiting on him.

[James Petregallo]

Seth McKay and moonshine revivals will be there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Sure.

[James Petregallo]

I think you got an idea what they're playing. The word moonshine's in your band.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I get a hip hop in this shit.

[James Petregallo]

I get what you're playing. There's a tiny, tiny guitar. I understand the Backroads. Bluegrass band, sure. I think they're pretty much telling you everything you need to know right there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You know what it is.

[James Petregallo]

And then finally, Simply Scott.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Just Scott.

[James Petregallo]

Just Simply Scott, that's his name. Simply Scott. Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in here, property crime is about 20% below the national average. So that's good, not terrible. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about half the national average. So, wow, pretty safe around here. And I'm saying so many reviews. Were just talking about the methiness that's going on around here. So I don't know, but either way, there we go. That said, let's talk about some serious murder here. Okay, let's start out talking about a family. This is quite the family we got here. Okay, let's start out with Marvin. Now, Marvin E. Potter, Jr. We're gonna talk about Marvy Potter. Marvin E. Potter, Jr. This story's gonna take place mainly 2011, 2012. So during that time. Marvin's 60 years old, he goes by Buddy. No one calls him Marvin.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why not?

[James Petregallo]

Everyone. Everyone in this name is either named Bill. Everyone in the story is either named Billy or has a nickname, one or the other. There's no exceptions. Okay, so Buddy Potter, like I said, he's a 60 year old at this time. He is. Or a little bit above that, actually. By now he's in his 60s. He was in Vietnam, apparently the tail end of Vietnam. He caught. He joined the marines at age 18 and also has claimed to work for the CIA back then as well. Oh, okay. We don't know how true that is, but yeah, yeah, he's a little. Marvin's out there. Just put it that way.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I believe it.

[James Petregallo]

Marvin is A buddy is out there, and he's like. He always has, like, three guns on him. Like, I get one. But what are you doing? Are you the leader of the Bloods? Like, how many guns do you need to have on you?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Throw a shotgun in your truck.

[James Petregallo]

No, no, no. He always has, like, a shoulder holster, a hip holster, and one in his ankle. One in the ankle, just in case.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You know, he's that guy that they're like, throw the other one. Yeah, throw the other one.

[James Petregallo]

He has this fantasy about that where he's like, I'm gonna throw the second one, and they're gonna be like, no way he's got any more than that on him. You know what I mean? Then, boom, out my ankle and, pow. Shoot my way out. So he's got a wife named Barbara May. Barbara May Potter. She'll go by Barbie to her friends. Why not Barbara May? She worked for Hewlett Packard, of all places. Which is what?

[Jimmy Whisman]

I don't know. Doing what? Picking mushrooms?

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. Planting sunflowers, I believe, was what she was doing. Now, I don't understand. I don't know if she worked for.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Hewlett Pack taking pictures for the screensavers.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I don't know if she worked at Hewlett Packard while in Tennessee or where she lived before, because this family's not from here. They're from suburban Philadelphia. Oh, yes. That's.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why did they do this?

[James Petregallo]

This is strange. Okay, so they have a couple of daughters. One is Christine. That is the oldest daughter. Now, Christine and her family, oil and water, do not get along. Yeah. Do not get along. Christine thinks these people are just a pile of trash that she wants.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Buddy and Barbie are none of her.

[James Petregallo]

Buddy Barbie and her little sister, who we'll talk about. They're all nuts, and they can all have each other is the way she looks at it. She got married, moved away, Said, go fuck yourselves. Didn't care. So Christine, right around the time Christine is born, is right around the time when Buddy suffers a pretty bad back injury.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Dang it.

[James Petregallo]

And as a result, had to leave the Marines and was no longer able to work for a while, for a period in the 70s. Now, he'll be working later on. Now, we know now Janelle is their second daughter, Janelle Lee Potter. And Lee is L, E, I, G, H, like Amy Lee Gemstone. So Janelle Potter, she's born April 27, 1981. And this is when they still lived in Pennsylvania. Yeah, they lived about 40 minutes west of Philadelphia. So Philly suburbs, essentially. There. Now, Janelle is born with some issues.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, no.

[James Petregallo]

She's got a little bit of a learning disability. She's got a little bit of a hearing issue when she's a baby. Has some speech disabilities that she has to overcome along with type 1 diabetes. She's diagnosed with at a very young age. So there's a lot here, which.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, they're all things you can overcome, but they're all also big challenges for a child.

[James Petregallo]

They're challenges. And it makes her family really overprotective of her too. Like, they look at her as like this porcelain Hummel figurine or something that's gonna break during an earthquake. So that's not real. The way they raise her is kind of rough like that. They don't really allow her to become a person on her own, which is.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, yeah. Also because it. Putting that girl into public school. She's got the Type one diet. So she's probably got a pump or something that's a sensor on her. And she's got.

[James Petregallo]

No, not in the 80s.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No, no, the 80s.

[James Petregallo]

Now they probably just pricked. Had her prick her finger a couple times a day, put it on those little strips. Remember those?

[Jimmy Whisman]

I suppose.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah, they probably did that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

But she's definitely got it. She definitely has the. The hearing disability. Very obvious if she has a speech.

[James Petregallo]

Pattern difficulty, but that later on is. You don't notice.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It goes away.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it goes away pretty much. Now she has a hard time making friends throughout her life. Now she graduates from high school, she can read and write and do things. And I didn't graduate from high school, so she's one up on me. I can't. You know what I'm saying?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What about your beaties? Fucker.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I was fine. So I was healthy as a horse, but just kind of a mess. Now she's a really big. She's six feet tall. Wow. Real big girl. And has a very childlike voice as well. She has that little girl voice.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Which usually is mean. Something happened.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Regressive. Yeah, I could see that.

[James Petregallo]

You hear. You hear a girl. It sounds like she's nine. You go, what happened to you when you were nine?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What happened back then?

[James Petregallo]

You could pick the fucking age out and go, what happened when you were nine? And somebody died, Somebody beat her, somebody molested her. Horrible trauma. Something horrible happened. It's a weird thing. It's a strange phenomenon that only seems to happen with women. It doesn't. The little. There's no little boy voice. You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Whisman]

No. We try to doesn't work. We try to get tougher.

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. No, we get angry and mean and they get, you know, they get soft.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And leave me alone.

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. So that's what she's got going on. So basically as an adult, she kind of functions at a teenage level. Basically. That's what everybody says. Even when she's in her 20s, she's still kind of stuck as a teenager here. Like even her room as a 30 year old had like plush toys and like posters of like, you know, boy bands and shit like that. Like teenage stuff. Like it looked like a sixth grader lived in there. Which is strange. Now Christine, her older sister, basically around the early 2000s, she fucking said, I'm done with these people. Yeah, done. Yeah, she. Which all that didn't help Janelle at all because she was close with her sister. But it doesn't matter. She, Christine had to do her own thing and get away from these people, which is fine. Now Christine believed that her sister's. Her socialization problems basically was because of how her parents treated her and controlled her life. She's, she, she can see it. She said, quote, instead of being herself, my parents tried to make her fit in. They also in the same breath would say how different she was. And then she became unable to make friends normally. Now that is something I understand about. Because your instinct, My son's autistic and your instinct as a. When he's little is don't make him stand out because then the kids will pick on him and then he'll.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Upset. And you don't want that. So you try to make them blend in. Even though that might not be the healthiest thing. That's your immediate parental protection thing is blend in with the flock here. And you know, don't, don't, don't. Just don't let anyone know you're different.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Meanwhile, some of the, some of the severities are different from others, obviously.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

The more severe like it, you can't stand out no matter what.

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. Exactly. So she said that Christine also said Janelle had been a little bit slower in learning and in developmental capacity and that her reasoning and interaction with other people has always been a little odd. It's a little off. There's just something a little off there where people are just. People just sense when someone. They pick it up. Yeah, they pick it up. She also said that Janelle was coddled by Buddy and Barbie and that they always took care of any issues that she faced. They.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

Smooth it out for. And Christine also Said she didn't believe that Janelle's disabilities were as bad as everyone else. Said they were. Also.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

She said she thinks the parents are exaggerating this shit and hurting Janelle, basically.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And maybe Janelle plays into him sometimes because.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, because it gets her what she wants.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Fixes all the problems.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. And Christine also said she's witnessed Janelle manipulate and deceive people. And she said she knows what Janelle's capable of. She's not an innocent little. Because they, you know, people look at her as, oh, she's got some developmental problems, so she's an innocent little sunflower. And turns out she is a canceled pumpkin festival instead. Much different.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She's got. She's got all the capabilities, and everybody's just doing her shit for her.

[James Petregallo]

Pretty much. That's what Christine says. And she's upset about it. So in 2004, the family, Janelle, Buddy, and Barbie, they move from Pennsylvania to this area, to the mountain city, Tennessee, in this little spot here. So Janelle said, quote, people here do not like outsiders. And she said because she wasn't born and raised here, didn't grow up here, she had a hard time with people, which is probably true.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's what it sounded like from all the reviews.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean. If you go to some isolated town with 2,300 people in it, you're going to stand out like a sore thumb just because they're not used to seeing other people, you know?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. And show up like you're one of the guys. Who the fuck are you?

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. You're not going to probably get along with people. You got to be around for a while. People see you and kind of like a stray cat. If you have a stray cat comes into your yard, it has to, like, see you, like, 20 times before it kind of comes up to you. He has to get used to, you know, you're not aggressive. No. You're not an asshole. Maybe you put some milk on him.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Put his car out of the mud. Save a kid from a well, there you go. Make the pig not sick anymore. Something. You gotta save some shit.

[James Petregallo]

Something. Go in and get that fucking kid some coke so you don't have to take him to the hospital to crack his chest open like Doc Hollywood.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He was tasting dad's chaw again.

[James Petregallo]

That's how it works, man. So Buddy also has some medical issues. As he ages, he's got pulmonary disease, diabetes, chronic pain syndrome, whatever the hell that is. I mean, it sounds obvious. I didn't know from Philly to this. I don't know, ptsd, high blood pressure, severe hearing loss. That requires hearing aids and sleep apnea. So this guy has no peace?

[Jimmy Whisman]

No rural shit. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Even when sleeping, he has no peace.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm tired of seeing doctors. I'm running away from all of them.

[James Petregallo]

Fuck it. He was prescribed two doses, pretty high in milligrams, too, of different types of morphine.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Painkiller.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. And required supplemental oxygen from time to time. By the way, he also has a lot of anger management issues and more guns than probably the county's police department. So that's the other thing you gotta think about with this guy. Buddy is a character. Now, 2009, let's go to here. Now, Christine, the older sister who has abandoned her family or ran away or whatever. Not abandoned. That makes it sound like it's her fault. She moves to Mountain City, Tennessee, to help care for Buddy, Barb's mother.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She moved back in.

[James Petregallo]

She moved there to help care for grandma. Yeah. So, I mean, that's nice. I mean, she's going to move to take care of an aging grandma. That's real thoughtful. She lived with her grandmother for a year and two months. Now, during this time, she has so many problems with her mother and Janelle that she has to seek an order of protection against them. What Christine does. Yeah. So this is where we're at here. Daughters filing orders of protection against their.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Mother and little sister and developmentally disabled sister.

[James Petregallo]

My diabetic, developmentally disabled little sister is scary to me. And so is mom.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Deaf, diabetic, disabled.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. That's a lot.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's amazing.

[James Petregallo]

That's a lot. Now, Janelle, come around 2010, 2009, she starts. She's got nothing to do. She has no job. She doesn't drive. How old is she at this point? She's almost 30. She's 29. 30. So, I mean, she's sitting in a house in rural Tennessee, just sitting there. She's got nothing to do. So this lucky for her, back in the day, she would have just gone, sat out on the porch like there's nothing to do. At least now there's social media. They have the Internet. They have a computer, surf.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So now she's got social media, and that's where she spends her time. And. Yes. And she. She's not really allowed to do anything else. The rules for her are no staying out past midnight. She's 30 years old.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

No. No smoking, no drinking, no partying, no driving, and no boyfriends. Those are the rules.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No fun.

[James Petregallo]

No fun. She's 30. When I was 16, if you set all those directives, I would have been rebelling like crazy and ran away. Yeah, I mean, I really wasn't allowed to do any of those things. I didn't want to have a boyfriend. But other than that, her parents monitored her Facebook page and social media and everything else. So parents are really on top of her. Like a 12 year old who's been in trouble a lot. That's how they treat her now. Her Facebook profile read, I'm a very sweet, caring person. I love life and I love to make others laugh. That's Chanel. She would use Facebook and topics. You know what topics is?

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's with an X, right? O, P, I. X. Yeah, we've looked. I've heard of it, but I've never seen it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it's one of those. It's. They have them all over the country. Yeah, they all have their own little, like, kind of message boards and shit that have local. The local gossip bullshit is what it is. That's all it was. The neighbor's app before the neighbor's app kind of thing. You know what I mean? So she ends up interacting with some friends around 2009. She's got MySpace, she's got Facebook, and she starts doing that now. She meets some friends here. She actually meets a friend outside of social media, though, which is. She really hasn't very much. One of the times she went to purchase medicine from the town's pharmacy, and there she became kind of friends with the pharmacy clerk, Tracy Greenwell. So they started to be friends. Tracy said, we felt sorry for Janelle because she was so sheltered and sick and stuff.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, that always makes really great friendships when you feel sorry for someone.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean. It's more like, oh, that poor girl. Like, she's like a puppy that they're giving water to outside or something. It's like a pity for. Yeah, she, you know, walked down from the hills here to come get her medicine, and she doesn't have any friends or know anybody, and she's a little slow and, you know, all that kind of shit. So Tracy said about first meeting Janelle, she described her as, quote, sweet and innocent. She said, I mean, she's got the. The big blue eyes, right? The sweetest thing you could ever think of. So there you go. So she started this. Tracy started inviting Janelle out on friend outings. You know, hey, me and my friends are doing this. Would you like to come? Including her in a group, which is, I'm sure what she's always wanted.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

But before she was. Janelle was allowed to go hang out with friends. This Tracy Greenwell had to go over to the house at least herself, at least a few times. The parents said, so they can. So Barb and Buddy could get to know her. She's 30.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Don't go thinking you're gonna pull the wool over our eyes.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Make us think you're a good person.

[James Petregallo]

This isn't a 14 year old coming home saying they got a boyfriend or something. This is a 30 year old woman. Tracy's a girl. Yeah. And Tracy's an adult. So for her it's like that would just drive friends away. It's almost like the parents don't want Janelle to have friends. Because if my kid was 30 and she's never really had a group of friends and all this and she was. I'd be like, have fun. Go get out.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Go do shit.

[James Petregallo]

Here's fucking $50. Enjoy. Just get the fuck out and go do things. Go, Rebel. Go do something. I remember telling my daughter that when she was like 16. I was like, go, Rebel.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Go get in trouble.

[James Petregallo]

I said, go rebel and do things. And she's like, I don't want to. And I'm like, God damn it. Poor kid. She's just a nice kid. So anyway, that's what's going on here. She said that Janelle's. Now Tracy's got a big group of friends. So that's kind of a. She sees this as like a pot of gold. You know what I mean? All these friends I can have. She met a guy named Billy Clay Payne. P A Y N E Billy Clay. So Billy here, she met her through Tracy. She met him through Tracy and all that. Now, Tracy said that Janelle was often paranoid.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Very often paranoid about things. Janelle. I don't know if her parents have implanted that in her head or what, but Tracy said she would often say that somebody was mad at her or hated her and wanted to kill her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

So I don't know if it's that or just. She knows that if you need help, that someone will help her because she's used to help. So she.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay, her.

[James Petregallo]

Her automatic thing might be to try to make people feel bad for. Because that work. Because her parents implanted that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, somebody's trying to kill me.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Janelle said there were threats of violence against her and everything like that. Okay. Now, Janelle also helped. She's going to introduce Janelle to a couple of guys here. First Billy Clay Payne. Now Billy Clay Payne is Tracy's brother. Oh, okay. Billy. Clay is about. He's a little older. He's in his 30s at this point. Mid-30s. He's a friend of this guy named Jamie Curd, who we'll talk about as well. Kurd is a turd with a C. Really? Absolutely. Like cheese. Like a curd. Billy had a bit of a drug habit, all right. Now, Janelle and Billy became Facebook friends and everything like that. So Billy started inviting her to group social activities like rock climbing and hiking and shit, too. On one outing, Janelle went with Tracy and with Billy Payne and a group of friends. And Janelle and Tracy later attended a party thrown by Billy at Billy's house. So, I mean, this is. She's starting to get in with a group here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Small town. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So all this interaction made Janelle start to like Billy. Oh, she likes Billy. She starts to have feelings for him, and Billy doesn't reciprocate. He's not into her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

Not into her. Tracy said everybody says she fell in love with Bill, but I still don't see that. So she says. I don't think she was in love with him, but she had some sort of infatuation with him. Now, Billy, he wasn't doing great either. He was taking pain medication and had a drug problem, too. Was doing meth and shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, okay.

[James Petregallo]

He was doing. Yeah, he's doing both. But he started going to a clinic and going to meetings and cleaning himself up, trying to get better after he meets a young lady who he's very interested in. One is about. A lot younger than him, too. About 13 years younger than him. And that is. So Billy meets. Meet your future love, Billy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Her name is Billy also.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Of course it is.

[James Petregallo]

There's a couple where both people are named Billy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Billy and Billy.

[James Petregallo]

Billy and Bill. She's Billie Jean.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Huh?

[James Petregallo]

She's Billie Jean, Literally. Which she's born in 89. So her parents knew.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

They knew. They named her fucking Billie Jean. Wow, that's rough on a kid.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Maybe they were just tennis fans.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's what it was. So, yeah, Billie Jean here just never.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wanted her to date because she's not my lover.

[James Petregallo]

No, she's not my lover. Tell you that right now. She's just a girl.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Says that I'm the one. But that kid is not my son. I'm telling you right fucking now, he's not. Don't try to pin this shit on me. I pulled out really early on that one. So don't even fucking bring it to Me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I got it all the way to your face. There's no way that.

[James Petregallo]

No way. No way is that. Bill Murray said that. I pulled out really early on.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Real early on.

[James Petregallo]

Kingpin.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, it was in your hair, for Christ's sake.

[James Petregallo]

So then after he meets Billie Jean. Billie Jean Hayworth is her name, by the way. After Billy meets Billy, Billy turns his life around.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

I'm gonna have to call her Billie Jean or else this is not gonna work.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She is his lover.

[James Petregallo]

She. That's what I mean. Turns his life around. They start dating in 2010. The relationship becomes quick serious very quickly. They get engaged and move in together. They live in Mountain City with Billy's dad. You know what his name is? Billy Paw Bill. P. A W. Paw Bill.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They don't know that Pa is just.

[James Petregallo]

Va. No, it's Pa Bill. So. So we got Pa Bill, Billy, and Billy all living in the same house together.

[Jimmy Whisman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

I got a phone call for a bill, and everybody rushes to the phone. They get what they do here. What they're trying to do is they're trying to kind of. The friend group is trying to kind of push her away from Billy. Twitch. Janelle away from Billy. Not Billie Jean. Push Janelle away from Billy and towards somebody else who's. Who might be interested.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Basically, Billy's taken. You can't. You can't date him. Janelle.

[James Petregallo]

He wasn't interested in Janelle, and then he met Billie Jean, and then he was all about Billie Jean. So Janelle's got no shot here now. So basically, Billy the man. Male. Billy, not Billy. If I say Billy, it's the guy. If I say Billie Jean, it's the girl. Okay. Billy and Tracy, brother and sister, decided to set Janelle up with their second cousin, Jamie Curd.

[Jimmy Whisman]

God. Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

This is so.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. This is a lot of people. And you. I say make a family tree, but it's going to be. The branches are all connected. It's a mess. Yeah. So Janelle didn't have a boyfriend. Jamie didn't have a girlfriend. And they were like, let's hook these two up together, and that'll make her stop bothering you, Billy. That'll be perfect. Now, Janelle, the problem with Janelle, Janelle has bothered a lot of people. Janelle is kind of aggressive on Facebook and things like that. Well, Lindsay Thomas, let's bring up here. She's a young lady who was kind of a victim of some harassment from Janelle, both online and over the phone. She said shortly after she accepted Janelle's Facebook friend request. Janelle began posting statements on Facebook that Lindsay Thomas and Billie Jean were, quote, mean girls.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Did you friend her just so you could tag her in Bad shit about her or something? Like, that's what I mean. You're 30 years old. This is mean girls.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This is crazy.

[James Petregallo]

So this Lindsay Thomas said Janelle captured images from Lindsay and Billie Jean's Facebook pages and posted them on her own page, tagging them with Janelle's name to make it appear as if the photographs depicted Janelle. She said, like, here's me with pictures of them.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What the fuck?

[James Petregallo]

Which is just weird behavior.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So Lindsey Thomas called Janelle to ask her to not. Could you not do that anymore, please? And Janelle said, I don't know what you're talking about. And she said, I didn't write anything about you guys on Facebook. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This is crazy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Which they're like, but I saw it was on your. Whatever. Okay. So Lindsay then said after this conversation, she began receiving as many as 15 to 20 telephone calls per day, in which no one spoke, but she could hear breathing. What is the deal, dude? She said she knew the calls were from Janelle because she didn't even bother to block the number. She didn't even bother to star six, seven. That shit. Which still works, by the way. That works on your cell phone.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, it does.

[James Petregallo]

She didn't even bother to do that. She saw that they came from the Potter family's home phone, the landline.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What's she doing?

[James Petregallo]

She's calling from her landline and doing this. Which makes no sense. So May of 2011, Lindsey filed charges for telephone harassment against her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

The court will later dismiss the charges because Lindsay had been able to. Unable to prove that Janelle herself was the caller. They said, you don't know who called from that phone. Could have been anybody in that family. Could have been. You need to have a specific person.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Just know it came from that phone. That's all.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. That's it. Now, Tara Osborne is someone else that met Janelle out in the wild. Actually not online. Tara Osborne met Janelle at a grocery store in the fall of 2010. Now, after meeting Janelle, she got a Facebook friend request from her in which this woman accepted Tara Osborne. But she got tired of what she called the negativity that Janelle created on Facebook and the frequency of Janelle's messaging her. This is because she has nothing to do if you have nothing to do. Yeah. And she's not even allowed to drive where she's supposed to go. I mean, it's crazy, but if you have nothing else to do, this is your whole world. She gets up. This is her whole world. I mean, there's nothing else going on. It starts to become like a weird fantasy. So real weird stuff. So anyway, by the way, back to Lindsay here, or that was Lindsay. There's multiple Lindsey's as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Of course.

[James Petregallo]

First we talked about Lindsay Thomas, now we're going to talk about Lindsay Potter, who has no relation to the Potter family. To make it a little more confusing for everybody, let's have two Lindsay's. This one's not related to the.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She doesn't even know, buddy.

[James Petregallo]

This is crazy, isn't it? Okay, now she became Lindsay Potter, became friends with Janelle in 2011 on Facebook. Initially Janelle would like and comment on her, you know, her posts and all that bullshit, like friends do. At one point though, Janelle posted a photograph of Billie Jean that she took from another Facebook account and quote, said some nasty things about Billie Jean.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So do we have any specifics of what she said?

[James Petregallo]

She just was saying nasty shit about some nasty things is all that she said we don't have it because this Lindsay Potter asked Janelle to remove the post because it wasn't cool, basically. And Janelle did and remove the post. So then we don't have it later, so. And then afterwards she didn't initiate any contact with Lindsay Potter for a bit. She kind of, you know, let that cool for a minute.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Might be a bit little embarrassing to show up after that.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Now a little bit about Jamie Curd here. Yeah, Jamie Turd, Janelle's boyfriend. He is a few years older than her. He's like mid-30s type of deal. Lived in Johnson county with his mother. When he first met everybody here, he worked at Parkdale Mills with Billy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Billy Payne. A mill, I assume an actual fucking mill.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Maybe it was a mall. We don't know.

[James Petregallo]

We don't know. I doubt it. These do seem like they're. Well, I know work starts at like 6:30 in the morning, so.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

It's a factory of some kind. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Also, I don't think there's a fucking mall here.

[James Petregallo]

There's no. You have to go to the next town for groceries they said. For fuck's sake. So there's no mall. They said that? Yeah, he worked with Mill at the mill with Billy and Billie Jean.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

And anyway, so that's. He got introduced in late 2009. And then they started hanging out. Janelle and Jamie Turd. So after they. A little while after they met Jamie, after they met here, Janelle asked Billy for Jamie's phone number. So he gave it to her, and Janelle began calling him. But just for, like, short 30 to 45 second phone calls.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

She explained that she couldn't speak longer because her parents would know that she was calling him. And she's not allowed to call a boy. So now if you're 35 years old and somebody tells you that, you go, okay. And you hang up and never talk to them again because there's something weird, you don't want to be part of it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You have a conversation with your folks first.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. You talk to them and then talk to me. Let's do some adult shit here. So during one call, she told Jamie that her computer was messing up. So Jamie. By the way, Jamie is not some sort of computer expert. No, he didn't go to any. He just knows how to work a computer. So her computer's messed up. So Jamie went to the house to work on their computer.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Nice.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, just got my ratchet set here. Yeah, I could see him showing up with a toolbox and, like, a saw.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Show me where the transmission is on this thing.

[James Petregallo]

I got my Allen keys. Where are we doing here now?

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's alternators just fucked up.

[James Petregallo]

Your problem is I'm not seeing oil anywhere. I feel like this thing is not lubricated at all. I mean, it's. It's just all gonna seize up on you. Of course. You had a change recently or something? Anything. Damn.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Don't worry. I got penzole in the truck.

[James Petregallo]

Hey. They didn't put any fluids in it when they changed it last time. They left it dry. So he goes over there to do that. Jamie said that Barb and Janelle use the computer, but Buddy doesn't.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

Not a computer guy. Now he. This is the weird part about Jamie. He occasionally, quote, worked on people's computers, even though he had no actual computer training or any kind of anything. He just knows how to, like, run the Norton antivirus to see if you're. That's all he knows.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Did you shut it off and turn it back on?

[James Petregallo]

Have you tried that? So over the course of a few visits, Jamie performed a disk cleanup on their computer and eventually reformatted it. So these are not hard things to do, by the way. So while he worked on the computer, Janelle would sit and talk with him in the computer room. And that's how they got to know each other.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

So it started. It turned into a romantic relationship, which Janelle, of course, kept secret from her parents, obviously. So, yeah, they would do all this. He kept coming out. That computer kept breaking down, boy. It's just. It was smoking. It was sputtering at one point. Squeaking. Just a squeaking. When you press. When you press the H, it just squeaks. And I don't know why. The whole computer will squeak up on me. So that's what. So he's having to come over and fix it all the time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Now, eventually, Jamie buys Janelle a prepaid cell phone so that he and Janelle could talk without her parents knowing about it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Little burner.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, little burner action here. Janelle told Jamie to hide the phone in a bush at the corner of her front yard, and she'll get it when he bought it for her. This is. She's 30. This is how I used to, like, get weed delivered to me when I was 15.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

I got you a phone.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Put it in the hibiscus. I'll get it.

[James Petregallo]

Put it under the rock. The fuck are you talking about?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

So Janelle used the cell phone to call him, you know, over and over until Barb found the cell phone.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, shit.

[James Petregallo]

And then sent Jamie a text going, I have the phone now, asshole. So you're gonna text her? Send pictures of your dick somewhere else. Yeah. P.S. i like it veiny. So then Jamie had to buy another prepaid cell phone for Janelle and hit it under the bush again. They would secretly spoke on that for about five or six months. So they're building their relationship. Jamie and Janelle then started to talk about sometime in the future they could possibly elope together.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Elope.

[James Petregallo]

Elope. And that's like a real elopement. That's like he's gonna pull up in front of the house at one in the morning, and she's gonna run out with a suitcase, and they're gonna go to the nearest justice of the peace, actually go elope. A real. Because when someone says we elope, that's what I picture.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

My automatic weird picture in my mind is I'm, like, running away from people. Like, with suitcases.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Clothes.

[Jimmy Whisman]

With a suitcase with socks hanging out of it.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, we made it. Just. I don't feel like having grandma there because she's called my fucking girlfriend. The N word. Yeah. It's like. It's different, you know? So that's really why people elope. So February of 2010, Jamie's birthday that day he went to two parties, one of which was at the residence of all the Billy's.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Gene, regular and fucking pa. All of them. He drank so much fucking booze there that he passed out. It's his birthday. And it was. That was second party of the night, so it's a damn fine party. He showed up all warmed up already.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Now around 8:30am the next morning, Jamie's cell phone rang, which he must have been in a great condition to answer and be very helpful.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm late.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. When he answered, it's Buddy on the phone. Oh, oh. And said that Janelle had left the house and they found her in a ditch. She left the house and they found her in a ditch and she doesn't love Jamie and stay away from her, okay? She left the house, she got all fucked up. She doesn't love you. Leave her alone. Okay? Then Buddy handed the phone to Janelle and Janelle told Jamie that she didn't love him anymore. So Jamie agreed to stop talking to Janelle. He was like, all right. I mean, if she doesn't want anything to do with me, I'm happy to stop talking to her. Then she called three days later because that was just the parents trying to force her to break up the relationship, which she's 30 goddamn years old. What do you want?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Bizarre.

[James Petregallo]

Well, you people are gonna be dead someday. So then what is she doing then?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What is she gonna do, right?

[James Petregallo]

Sit there by herself. This is crazy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You want her to roll into the hole too?

[James Petregallo]

Exactly, yeah. Jump on in with you guys, hold her nose and dive. So Janelle said she does love him. I want to keep talking to you. And they would speak on the phone for hours and hours and very teenagery stuff. I mean, sending text messages all the time back and forth. It's just they're having a budding relationship. That sounds like it's to very much younger people.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's all embarrassing.

[James Petregallo]

It's a little embarrassing. So Janelle didn't want her mother to know they were still talking though. So she would contact him like at strange hours at midnight she'd call or stuff like that. And Janelle always had to call him because she told him never to call her because she doesn't know if she'll be in her parents presence and the phone will ring and then it's all over with.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Can explode everything.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that'll be all fucked up. Next thing you know, here comes the 30 Rock theme song coming out of a goddamn like shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So you know, go ahead and live your Life on a whim. And then when I call, drop fucking everything.

[James Petregallo]

Drop everything and talk to me. Absolutely. Yeah. But be waiting for me because I'll be calling. Don't worry. Very strange. Now he couldn't take her out on dates.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No. Because somebody will see.

[James Petregallo]

Because they're not allowed to. Parents won't let her go out. So it's a very weird relationship here. Eventually, Barb and Buddy warm up to Jamie a bit. Jamie's mom died in May of 2011, and they felt bad for him. Yeah. So a Buddy apparently called Jamie to say that if you need anything, give me a call. Sorry your mom died. Which. That's nice. That's being an adult there. It's the first time he's shown any behavior that's adult like, but still. So Barb also called Jamie and invited him over to dinner, which is a cool. That's a huge step here. Barb also then began inviting Jamie on holidays to the house and stuff. And Barb would also. During the visits, he heard Barb talking about a Chris also, whom she referred to as her son, even though she only has two daughters.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who the hell is Chris?

[James Petregallo]

We'll find out in a little bit. Don't worry. Okay, now, Billy and Billy, the Billy conglomerate here. Okay. Jamie said when he first met Billie Jean was when she got a job at Parkdale Mills. And that's when she and Billy, Billy boy, started dating. So Billy told Jamie that he and Billie Jean hit it off right away and that he just fell head over heels in love with her, as you do as one does. So after Billie Jean gets pregnant with Billy's child, that's when things start to get a little weird. Janelle starts telling everyone that'll listen that Billie Jean, quote, doesn't deserve that kid.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, for heaven's sake.

[James Petregallo]

Like it's an accomplishment to get knocked.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Up by a Billy.

[James Petregallo]

By a Billy. Yeah. When you first get together. So Jamie told Janelle that Billy was in love with Billie Jean and he believed that they're going to probably be together a long time. They really seem to be together. And Janelle said that Billy was, quote, not going to keep Billie Jean and that she was just another girlfriend that wouldn't last long.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

If I'm Jamie, I'm like, what the hell do you give a shit what Billy's doing? First of all, I get that you used to like him.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why is she so jealous?

[James Petregallo]

She's very jealous. Well, she liked Billy and Billy didn't like her. So then Jamie noticed a change in Billy after he Began dating Billie Jean for the better. Billy started drinking less and stopped doing drugs completely.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Damn it.

[James Petregallo]

Went to meetings and went to Billy. How dare you turn your life around.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Got his life together as an adult. Crazy.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I guess for a while, Jamie, they worked the same shift, Billy and Jamie. But then after a while, their shifts began. They got put on different shifts. So he said things kind of. Their friendship kind of dissipated just based on them not seeing each other very often because they don't work together anymore. Now let's talk about topics. Like we said, the website that we talked about here. Now topics here at this time, someone began posting negative comments about the Billy's and all of their friends on the Mountain City page of the website. Topics.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. Enter Chris. Now, Chris. Yeah, the. The son that never was doesn't exist. Yeah, well, that's not her son anyway.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right. The son that they never had.

[James Petregallo]

Chris is a CIA agent. Oh, now I'm going to put CIA agent Chris. All those words get their own quotes around them. Every single word in that sentence. Okay. Now, Janelle often spoke to Jamie about Chris, who she said was a friend of the family and like a brother to her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Hence why mom would call her a son. Janelle told Jamie that Chris was a CIA agent and quote, worked on cases and stuff.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right? That's what we do.

[James Petregallo]

That tends to be the way that goes there. And that Chris had a house in Tennessee and one in Pennsylvania, where they're from. That's how they know him so well. And he would go back and forth. Janelle said that she and Chris were the same age. And we're talking exact same age, by the way, like, same birthday. Same birthday, same everything. They're like an hour apart. Wow. So same age. And that he lived next door to her in Pennsylvania and that they'd went to high school together. That's how this happened. She also spoke about Chris to online friends, a guy named Bob Meehan who lived in Pennsylvania. This Bob Meehan was just Facebook friends with Janelle. Never met her in person, but they just interacted through Facebook and emails and texts and all that kind of shit. Now, he thought he was in a long distance relationship with Janelle. He thought they were boyfriend and girlfriend, but they weren't. Not according to Janelle, anyway. That's that one guy. Now, during conversations that this guy, this Meehan guy had with Janelle, she occasionally mentioned someone named Chris who was a CIA agent from Pennsylvania who had transferred to Tennessee. Because rural Tennessee is where most of the. It's most of where the Intelligence community is. It's really in the mountains.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's a pretty good way to do it.

[James Petregallo]

It's not bad. Janelle also communicated pretty much daily with text messages with Melanie Clayton, who was an online friend who lived in North Carolina. She told this Melanie Clayton about a Chris or a Matt that she referred to as like a brother to her. That's what. Yeah, Clayton said Janelle told this woman that Jamie was her boyfriend, though. So then Jamie started getting text messages from Chris. Yeah, they started getting texts from this Chris guy. I guess, you know, he's part of the family sort of now, so why not? Well, Janelle complained to Jamie that people were posting negative comments about her on topics. People are posting mean stuff about me on topics.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You're with the 30. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And that Chris also. Yeah, Chris had also reported to Jamie about things people were posting about Janelle on topics. And Chris would say to Jamie that it needs to stop. This is. They're not, they're being mean. Chris said that he was a friend of Janelle's and that he told Jamie that he worked for the CIA as well. Chris didn't have an email account. He just used Janelle's email account because he couldn't be followed that way. Because with the CIA you don't want to have your own email account that somebody could find and hack. So you use a 30 year old developmentally disabled girl's email. That was bull2dogol.com and he contacted Jamie through text or by email sent to Jamie's phone from Janelle's email account. That's how it worked. Jamie never spoke to Chris on the phone or met him face to face. He just communicated with him this way. Chris told Jamie that because of his training and everything, he has kind of. He said this smirking, yeah, I have a kind of a phobia of phones, if you know what I mean. I don't like using them because that way I can be tracked and I do some covert shit and I can't be having people track me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You can find me real easy that way.

[James Petregallo]

You can find me. So Janelle told Jamie that Chris also communicated with her through email as well. So he says, yeah, that's how Chris communicates. When Jamie would receive an email from Janelle's account from Chris, he said he knew, he knew it was. He knew who was talking to him without having to look at the, the, like the sign off. He said just based on the words they would use. He said that, you know, Chris used words Janelle would never use. So you know it was Chris. He said Chris would start emails with hey, man, or hey, dude, or what's it called? You know, what's going on? Or how's it going? Or guys say to each other.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And also he said that Janelle never cursed, never called people names or spoke real hatefully about people. But Chris would rant and rave about everything with all sorts. About everybody, with all kinds of profanity and everything else. What's up, fuck rag? Come on, see me. What's up, cunt stick? Get over here. So Jamie said that. That he would, you know, would rant about all that shit and that he would sign his emails. Chris. Chris said that, or Jamie said that Chris is really didn't like the Billies. Chris was upset at the Billies and their friends. Chris also told Jamie how much Janelle loved him. And Chris advised Jamie on how to improve his relationship with Janelle. He's like, I've known her her whole life. Yeah. So this is probably, you know, trying to give, like, counseling now at this point. Janelle has type 1 diabetes. Like we said, she has to check her sugar levels at a very regular interval, and she has to give herself insulin as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

And it would get. When it would get too far out of range her sugar, she would be hospitalized and that would be that. So, yeah, so she would kind of go kind of out of communication for a few days if she was in the hospital. Now the court case is still going on for Janelle where she's being accused of harassing the one lady. So at that point, Jamie started to get emails from Chris that were sent from Janelle's email account in which Chris expressed his concerns that Janelle is having some problems with her health. And he said, I hope Janelle don't think about killing herself.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

So Jamie responded, quote, I think that if it wasn't for us, she might have thought about it, didn't say it. But I can tell she has just took all that she can take from those motherfuckers. They won't let up. And they're crazy. Hell, I don't know why they have to do this. I don't know. I don't know. Their life has to be. Has to such at the point. That's how he wrote it. Exactly. So it's hard to say that they see this as a sick joke or something. Dumb bastards. Okay, so Chris and Chris and Jamie email each other a lot. There's a lot of communication between them back and forth, back and forth. So, yeah. Now Janelle tells Barbara, that the CIA had sent someone to Mountain City to protect Janelle from the Billies, which I don't think is what the CIA does.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Are they not supposed to protect US Citizens, James?

[James Petregallo]

I don't think they're supposed to enforce. One by one, one by one. Based on who's being bullied on social media. I don't think that's what they're supposed to do.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Probably stand for social.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Just off the top of my head here. I don't think that's their fucking job.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So anyway, in one thing here, Barbara wished Chris a happy birthday on Facebook, writing, it's amazing that you and Janelle were born on the same day, same year, one minute apart, at the same hospital.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

She said, that's such a coincidence. So, like, she was having her baby and this their neighbors, too, and next door at the same time. So they got their babies synced up.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They fucked at the same time.

[James Petregallo]

They got. Yeah, they had their periods synced up. Now. They got their births synced up. They got their placenta synced up now.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Incredible.

[James Petregallo]

So Chris to Jamie, kept that correspondence going on. Chris, when he would talk to Barbara, would more like position himself as a protective figure who understood what she's going through as a mother and all that. She seems to. He's almost like a cool uncle.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Sure.

[James Petregallo]

Or like a brother that's much older than you that can be like a bridge between you and the parents. You know what I mean? Like, I understand where the parents are coming from. I was a kid once, too. When he goes to the kid, like, it's one of those. Also, Buddy likes Chris as well, because Buddy, you know, he'll send an email for Buddy and just say, read this to your dad. And he appealed to his military background because he's a CIA love of firearms, because Chris likes firearms, too. Now more people enter the feud. Okay. The feud that's going on, enter not only CIA Agent Chris, Agent Chris, I believe is his official name. Also Matt Potter. Matt Potter.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Is it going to be the other girls?

[James Petregallo]

No, I guess some sort of relation. Not sure.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And a Cody and a Kelly. Yeah, that's who we're talking. We got four other people in the mix now. Matt Potter, CIA Agent Chris, Cody and Kelly. Yeah, Cody with a C, Kelly with a K. Okay. Right now, Matt Potter, he posted a bunch of stuff calling. This is when the Lindsay Thomas and Tara Osborne situation was going on. He posted that Billie Jean, Lindsay Thomas and Tara Osborne are all, quote, no good whores.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No good whores.

[James Petregallo]

No good whores. Which is just funny wording. I mean, it's obviously mean, but it's just funny if you're not. If you're saying it in a joking manner. That's hilarious. Yeah, I just want. I want Norm MacDonald to rise from the dead for one day. Just to hear him say, no good whores. One time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

One time beef with Jimmy Kimmel. He had his. He had his. His. His profile picture was Jimmy's face and it said no good pussy on it.

[James Petregallo]

No good whores.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No good whores.

[James Petregallo]

Also accused them of selling drugs and made numerous threats of violence as well, which we'll talk about. Kelly is another one here and we'll get into the exact things. Kelly supported these accusations and added some of Kelly's own, saying that Thomas, Lindsey Thomas also had HIV as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, my God. No good. Worse with hiv.

[James Petregallo]

And said Janelle's actually nice. Now, here are some messages we are going to read. We're going to read social media messages now.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus. Careful what you do in your life, dude. James and I might get your password.

[James Petregallo]

Telling you right now. We've done so many things from. Like, you have no idea when you're writing this email, when you're doing something. Like, we'll do it at a live show and be like, these people had no idea two assholes would be reading this in front of 1500 people who are gonna laugh at them. No idea that was ever gonna happen when they wrote this. Be careful what you write.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So this is Dan White. Okay. Another person who's in this mix. Dan White, aol. Okay. This is AOL Messenger. This is.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Which, I don't know, still around.

[James Petregallo]

They disabled. They disabled that at some point, right? Beats the shit out of me. It doesn't fucking matter. No. All right, so Dan White, April 21, 2010. He says, wow, Matt and Kelly, those are the two people we talked about who are in the mix. Matt and Kelly. I knew she was bad, but I had no clue she was off the deep end. She's crazy. That's for sure. I think they're meaning Lindsay Thomas here at this point.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Sounds like all of them are. I know Billie Jean, that bitch has lived with more guys and have sex with 80% of Mountain City. And Lindsay Thomas, I would say half of Mountain City.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who cares?

[James Petregallo]

He's really keeping track. He's got a stat book. He's got like a. One of those number counters that like a bouncer has 80%. They know when you get the fire code, then you trade. Then you trade and Butler, and then you Have Doe and then Johnson City and then Kingsport. She's been all over and she does have hiv. This is all around town because someone said it a long time ago. It must be true. And Mrs. Osborne, this is Tara. They put her name in there, so. And Tara, she will give it to anyone. Her. Her poor husband. He's a nice guy, but he never wants to be home with her. I think when his baby is 18 he will leave her dumb ass too. She is a whore too. I agree with you both. And this girl Janelle I do know as in passing. But she is a good girl and was brought up right. You can tell everything is you're welcome and hello and than you. And she's just a sweet girl. I will be praying for Janelle. As far as the other ones go, they're no good whore sluts.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Horse sluts.

[James Petregallo]

Horse sluts. They're by the way, T H E R E sure. They're no good whore sluts. And that is carrying and that is carrying something and giving it to everyone. Presumably hiv. Damn girls. They live in high school still and they need to grow up. Okay. Matt Potter on AOL in this conversation says Janelle's a sweet person and people try to get her, but she has a lot of us behind her if she knows it or not. But her dad is big time and he will deal with the rest of this shit. They're fucking whores and that's all this town is. And drugs. I know for sure Billie Jean and Lindsay did drugs together. And I know Tara does method. She's gotten off, Jason. I know way too much. Lol. I love that Janelle is not like them and she stayed sweet. They're dumb assholes. Motherfuckers get what's coming their way. They don't know who I am.

[Jimmy Whisman]

God damn it.

[James Petregallo]

Wow. Matt Potter the next day on AOL says, well, I guess Lindsay. Lindsay Payne. Not Lindsay Potter don't know that have his number and his phone is being taped. I think tapped is what they're going for. Ha. I know what he said about Janelle. Oh, no, Billy, I'm sorry. This is not Lindsay. It's Billy they're talking about. Billy don't know that I have his number and his phone's being tapped. Ha. I know what he said about Janelle and it was wrong. He's a fucking. He's a fucking work. When these girls are doing this to Janelle. We got our stuff and Janelle, I'm sure has stuff too. I'm going to be posting numbers if they don't stop buging Janelle. B u G I N g Bugging, I think is what they're going for.

[Jimmy Whisman]

We've got her. They're saying we got guns and shit.

[James Petregallo]

Stuff is what they're saying. And then all kinds of people will be calling them. I have cells to home phone numbers. And fucking Billie Jean is getting so fat with that baby. She looks like a chipmunk that's eating too many nuts. Lol. How dare she gain weight with a child inside her. Stay hot for me, a stranger, please.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Stranger who's making comments on the Internet.

[James Petregallo]

Wow. I hope she loses that baby in time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What the. Scott, man.

[James Petregallo]

What would someone have to do to you? The other one has hiv. This one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, Jimmy. Jesus. Stick with the program. Understand who's pregnant, who has HIV and who's a good old fashioned horse slut. You gotta understand these things, Jimmy. And I'm really disappointed that you're not paying closer attention. Okay? So I hope she loses the baby in time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

Wow. Imagine caring if someone else has a baby or not.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who gives a shit whether or not it's healthy? Who gives a fuck?

[James Petregallo]

Ugh. It don't need a mother like Billie Jean and Billy. He's no father by the way he acts and talks. Sooner they move out of town, the better, I think. Something about getting a house. I hope he can't get it. I hope they have to live out in the woods. More better. More better for Chipmunk. She can't make friends out there. And fuck deer and bear and whatever else.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What is happening?

[James Petregallo]

What is going on right now? This is horrifying. Fuck deer and bear and whatever else.

[Jimmy Whisman]

More better for her anyway because that's where she hunts and gathers. That's she's eating all those nuts.

[James Petregallo]

Well, when she said better for chipmunk, I was going to say because of the nuts, obviously. But no, it's. It's not even because of the nuts. It's to be able to fuck every mammal in the forest. That's what it is. Wow. I hope a bear would eat her. But the way she looks, it would go running the other way. Lol. Ugly ass bitch whore. Bitch whore bitch or ugly ass bitch whore? Can't leave no one alone. Druggie whore ass bitch. Go fuck a damn tree for all I care. Leave Janelle alone. The bear and the deer aren't enough for you? The trees are available.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This is it. Sounds like a 12 year old that got the Internet and it's his first day.

[James Petregallo]

That's what's going on here. So Billy. Male Billy, not Billy Jean. He prints out copies of these posts and placed them into a binder. He shows Greenwell there. The. What's her name? The. Tara. Was that her name Tara? Yeah, some of them. Shit he got and that. Wow. That got this woman to post a message to Janelle on Facebook saying, your friend Matt needs to leave Billie Jean and Lindsay off the topics website. You lost my brother as a friend, and I'm not happy with you either. Janelle responds to this message. This is Greenwell. This is Billy's sister from the beginning.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Got it?

[James Petregallo]

Yes. Okay. Tracy. She responds to Tracy by denying she ever posted negative comments about the victims. Janelle said she didn't know who Matt Potter was and she didn't do anything wrong. And then there've been a lot of trash talking about me in this town from everybody. So fuck them. I hope people do talk shit about him. Take that. Then she said again, they need to back off. I don't talk to them and I don't know them. Why don't you tell them to get away from me and tell them that, uh. Tell them, do not pull in my driveway. Dad is getting a little sick of it. He has gone with me to the cops and I showed them and gave them names and they looked up everything. And they also know that I'm not doing a thing. So this is not my fault. If you hate me, then I don't.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Care what is going on.

[James Petregallo]

Okay, now. So, yeah, she said, I don't know shit. So. September 2010, Janelle's Facebook to Osborne. Now. Tara Osborne. Okay, Janelle. Janelle. Tara Osborne sent Janelle a private message on Facebook in which she apologized to Janelle for not responding to instant chat messages and explained that she had problems with her computer. I know a guy, I kind of guess I say I know a guy who can do a lot Now. Tara Osborne received the following response from Janelle's From Janelle on Facebook. Hey, sweetie. It's really okay. I understand. I hope you all are doing well. I thank you for taking the time to write me. I hope you get it all worked out and everything. I'm not sad or mad or anything with you, honey. I can understand. It's okay. I'm doing okay. My health is not well and things I'm trying to fix and let people go and just leave me alone, but I think that it's too much to ask for. Laugh out loud. She didn't say lol. She wrote out laugh out loud, which I've Never seen before. I've never heard of that before the LOL thing came out. It's not like people were saying that to each other or writing it in letters. Laugh out loud. Never happened.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

So if they don't stop talking and putting me down, I'm going to end up saying what I'm really thinking and how mad I really am and see how they like it. I have not done anything to anyone and I stay to myself and talk to friends, but they go overboard and they are just mean girls, really. I hate that they talk about me, and I hate that they act like they do anything to anyone to get away with it. It's sad. Well, anyway, I hope you're doing well. I'm praying and thinking of you. Take care and God bless Janelle.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Janelle. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So at that point, she started messaging all the time. So this Tara Osborne altered her Facebook page so that it doesn't show when she's logged into her Facebook account, because as soon as she logged in, she'd get a met. Like, the messages would start coming. Jesus Christ. So, yeah, she then ended up unfriending Janelle. When that didn't resolve anything, she just kept sending her constant shit. So. January 1, 2011. This is from Chris to Barb. Okay. Okay. But obviously from Janelle's account. But Chris to Barbara. Hi, Barbara. How are you? Barb is Janelle's mom, in case you've forgotten by now, because we've talked about 700 people. Buddy's wife, mother of Christine and Janelle. Hi, Barbara. How are you? I hope you're well. This is Chris, AKA Cody. I give up.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

I give up, man. I thought Cody was a separate person, but he's not. I run by topics because I saw that they said Janelle was up here and you both and with you both, Buddy and you. And I saw it and got on there and took care of it. Okay. He goes on to talk about how he tells Barb that he, you know, he works with the CIA and claiming that he'd gotten rid of a lot of people in Russia and New York.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

And he wrote that he had shot a lot of people while working for the CIA. He explained to Barbara, quote, I got to a point where they were bad people and bad people. And then there's a lot of misspellings here. So I had to kill, basically. But I love to shoot now, and killing does not bother me at all, actually. Bother is the word he used. He said that he was at the office, and at the office, he's Known as Cody Wise. Z W, I Z, E. Wow.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Because Banks was taken.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he also told.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

He also told Barb that if she so desired, he could kill her, her estranged daughter.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I could. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And also the rest of your family, who you don't like in Pennsylvania. I could just kill everybody for you.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So do you a favor.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. He said, I have each one of them in my sights and can get to them anytime. I just might. Then he warned Barb about potential threats to her own safety and advised that she should not go to her mother's house alone.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Dangerous.

[James Petregallo]

Mom's house is bad, bad stuff. Chris wrote that he would work on getting everything off topics, noting that he had so much on them all. All these people talking. I got all the dirt.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, I know.

[James Petregallo]

And he concluded with, I love you all. Your son, Chris. So Barb responds as Barbie. By the way, on here, she says she signs off Barbie. She warned that, quote, buddy says if they kill me. Heart attack, stroke, etc. Health problems due to stress, that he will do what he was trained to do. Meaning if his fam. If her family stresses her to the point of death, then Buddy's gonna murder everyone. You don't even worry about it. Wow. She told Chris that if he wanted to meet with Buddy to let her know when and where and that she would pass the message along with Buddy if you guys want to, you know, put together a murder plot. She also encouraged Chris that, quote, as long as you're doing the right thing for mankind, then you will not be judged badly.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, sometimes murder has to happen.

[James Petregallo]

I mean, that's just necessary. God understands. God understands. If it is like Buddy did, you're helping others by getting rid of the bad.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What? What?

[James Petregallo]

You know, in Vietnam. I think she's getting there. Or. Or he said he was in the CIA, so maybe that's what it was, too. She also communicated to him her desire for Janelle to have someone to, quote, take care of her and be good to her. So the message that she wrote to Chris said, these guys down here are trash. And we threw the last one out last year in January. Jerk. Jamie Curd. Oh, he took advantage of me and was dirty and muddy and walked in the house any old time, even when Jen was in the hospital one time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Well, that's why he's a jerk.

[James Petregallo]

Dirty and muddy. How dare you. He did not have good manners and smelled too. He used to hang out with Billy and the who she called the maybe father of Billie Jean's baby.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, come on.

[James Petregallo]

Not sure yet. And he's running a whorehouse, you know?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, is that right?

[James Petregallo]

Oh, wow. We would not let her go out in the car with him because he had a trap from a car, and we did not have trust with him. A trap for a car. Okay. She did not want to go out with him either. She is such a good person. On January 5, she writes to Chris, this is Barb again. Wow. I never knew how much I hated or how much I am in danger at all, or how much I was hated or how much I'm in danger at all. Thank you so much for all the information.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, Chris really let her know.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, because Chris was telling me, these people want to kill you. Don't go to your mother's house alone. All that kind of shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

CIA, man.

[James Petregallo]

Some CIA plot.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They know.

[James Petregallo]

Don't even listen. Don't ask too many questions, okay? Just. I don't want to have to put you on the list, too. You know what I'm saying?

[Jimmy Whisman]

CIA knows everybody that hates you.

[James Petregallo]

They know all.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They tell you. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

They all. They see all. Well, usually that's. I get a lot in the mail. I'll just get a printout sometimes. No address, no letter. Yeah. It's all. It just says, read me on it on an envelope. And I open it, and it's like all sorts of CIA shit. Just telling me shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Credit karma.com will show you who hates you.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. Yeah. That's what I hear. I hear them. And also freecreditreport.com. i think they only did that because Credit Karma was offering it first.

[Jimmy Whisman]

We can't get beat to the punch.

[James Petregallo]

Well, fuck. Now what are we gonna do?

[Jimmy Whisman]

People are going, and we'll just publish them online.

[James Petregallo]

All right, fine. Whatever. It's totally fine. Holy shit. Also Topics can do that, too. Reddit. So February 6th, Tara Osborne received a message from Janelle's Facebook account which read, I'm not sure what I did, but I have not done anything. I'm not sure why you took me off your friends, but I'd like to know why we have never had any issues. Whoa. She responded, tara Osborne quote, hey, it's not anything you've done. It's not you, it's me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

We're not going for this right now.

[James Petregallo]

She said, I'm making my Facebook close friends and family and didn't see the point in having people as friends if I did not talk to them. Don't take it to heart. Didn't mean anything by it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

So Janelle responded. Oh, okay. That's fine, sweetie. I was making Sure. I did not think I did. I did anything wrong at all. I just didn't understand. That is great and fine and I can understand. Thank you for getting back to me. It took a lot. I took a lot off of mine too, but it was for the best, you know? I do the same thing.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Remember when that was a. An insult?

[James Petregallo]

Oh, God. Remember people would get the app that would tell you when someone unfriended you. Who cares?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who gives a fuck?

[James Petregallo]

I take great joy in unfriending as many people as I can every day. We have. Both of us have, like, thousands of Facebook requests. I'll just fill you the fuck you're gone. Fill you right in with somebody else. Bye. See ya. Don't care. So many people. I see one post that's this much off. Bye. See ya. I don't give a fuck about this.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I don't like your shit.

[James Petregallo]

Not gonna see you post shit. I don't know you. That's it. Goodbye. So if you gave me a request and I accepted it, and then we're not friends anymore. You fucked up. You did something.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You did something I didn't wanna watch anymore.

[James Petregallo]

You did something I didn't wanna be a part of. That's what that is. So anyway, so she goes on to say, thank you for getting back to me. You're so sweet. Take care. God bless Janelle. Okay, following this interaction, this Tara Osborne received another message from Janelle through Facebook accusing her of harassment and phone calls and messing with Janelle's mailbox.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, so that's a federal crime.

[James Petregallo]

That's a lot. Osborne called Janelle and denied her accusations. She's like, okay, we're beyond messaging now. I got to call you.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

She further told Janelle, she said, listen, this is the reason why I actually unfriended you. I was trying to be nice, but now you want the truth? I'll give you the truth. She said that she was, quote, tired of her drama and her bull crap that Janelle was posting about everybody and everybody else knowing that it wasn't true. You're a shit stir. I don't need it on my page. Janelle then told Tara Osborne to leave her alone, claiming that that Osborne was affecting Janelle's health. Okay, so then at that point, following that, Tara Osborne receives several more phone calls from or related to Janelle. Basically, in one call in March or April of 2011, it was from a male caller using a voice disguiser. She gets, like, a hostage ransom fucking call. The caller told her that she needed to leave Janelle alone and to, quote, stop the harassment, the phone calls, the vandalism and the stalking.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

Osborne denied she'd participated in any of that conduct. And the caller accused her of here, you know, I didn't. And told the caller that she would be taking this to the sheriff's department. This is getting out of hand. The next day she went to the sheriff's department and was directed to safe haven where she filed for an order of protection. And the order was later dismissed, however, because of the lack of statutorily required relationship between the parties.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, if a stranger relationship. We don't know each other.

[James Petregallo]

But that's crazy. A stranger could pick you out of a crowd and decide they want to fuck with you and you can't get a restraining order because you don't know each other. That's the weirdest shit I've ever heard.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think it's because there has to be some sort. I mean, there has to be some sort of perceived opportunity of violence.

[James Petregallo]

I was wondering if there has to be like places that they would normally be that they can't. Because you can't. Right.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's the perceived relation of violence.

[James Petregallo]

I'm saying violence just even of to say to stay away and not be.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right because of the opportunity of them being in the same place for violence. That's what the order of protection is for.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I guess I just.

[Jimmy Whisman]

There's also got to be proof that there was violence.

[James Petregallo]

That there doesn't have to be. There has to be, I guess first a relationship between them and then the rest of it. So they shouldn't meet the first requirement.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Which is Facebook friends is not a relationship.

[James Petregallo]

Which is weird though, because if some dude on Facebook wanted to stalk some chick and that's happened, it's certainly possible. They've probably changed the rules since then based on social media.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I mean, there's certainly some sort of Internet thing. Right.

[James Petregallo]

Because it laws. It has to be. Because in 2010 they didn't know how to deal with social media yet. Facebook just happened. Instagram didn't fucking exist yet. Twitter just happened.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Now with the. With the uprise of like children playing gaming online.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They're fucking sending the SWAT to people in Philadelphia. This kid lives in like fucking Tucson.

[James Petregallo]

You know, because he beat you in sniper elite. Yeah.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And now the fucking actual snipers just killed the 12 year old. So what the crazy.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, man. So March 3, 2011, Barbara writing to Chris. Bud was wondering. Now he's not even buddies, just Bud.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Bud.

[James Petregallo]

Bud was wondering when he would be contacted to meet and pick up his ID you spoke of some time ago. He is actually wondering if There is an ID or not. March 2, 2011. Barbara to Chris. They are watching our house all the time. They threw stuff on the roof, yard, et cetera. Er. I'm not strong enough to fight back yet, but I will be at some point. Bud is angry for exclamation points. March 3rd, Barbie to Chris. We are tired of all this shit, Chris. Seven years is seven years too many and it's going to have to be over. You're welcome to shoot any of them, but let Christine's body be found. We have life insurance on her, so we might as well collect it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petregallo]

Kill Christine, Kill my daughter. But make sure to leave her somewhere where she's found. Because otherwise we won't get that life insurance that we've been paying attention to.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Lay her out on the side of an interstate because we need her.

[James Petregallo]

Wow, that's remarkable. Holy shit. Yeah, exactly. Then says, thanks for fighting for Bud and the id. It's time for the talk to be over. He is ready for. For action. You know what I mean? He can leave me now and do whatever they want. Okay. April 5th. Chris Debarbara. They better not ever put either of you in jail. Buddy was quote in the computer. They can look him up and he comes up CIA so he can be called for anything.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. April 2011, Barbie to Chris. Buddy doesn't threaten. He does, you know, LOL. They need to back off. Buddy is so six O's mad and I'm 100% behind. Whatever happens, maybe Bud will have his ID by then and can use CIA guns, etc.

[Jimmy Whisman]

CIA guns.

[James Petregallo]

They're on CIA guns?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Gotta have the special CIA guns. They shoot lasers and you know, they shoot like a web out like Spider man. It just holds you. It's wild. Wow. CIA guns, etc. For his protection. Get the jobs done, you know, they all need to go. And the ones left need to be given a big scare as they watch and wonder, am I next? Let's murder a giant group of people while terrorizing them the whole time as well. Excellent.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And leave people to wonder, by the.

[James Petregallo]

Way, have you left my dead daughter splayed somewhere publicly yet? Because that would help too.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Could use the money.

[James Petregallo]

Wow. April 16, 2011. Chris to Barbie. Next is Lindsay. And remember Lindsay? Two different Lindsay. So I'm not sure which one next is Lindsay and Billie Jean and Billy and then cops. I want to get. I will kill them cops too. Cops too. Absolutely. Because they haven't done anything for Janelle, right? Or for them. Or for whatever. April 21 email. Apparently this is an email that is supposed to be from the Thomas lady. That person, Ms. Thomas, who is. I can't remember what first name. No, that's Osborne. There's so many. It says, your ass is mine. You're an effing bitch, remember that. I can get you and Will. Your daddy can't do shit to me. I'm above the law. Dumb fucking bitch. Okay, okay. April 27th, 2011. Barb to Chris. It's amazing.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Can we just make sure that we. This is fucking out of control now.

[James Petregallo]

This is insane.

[Jimmy Whisman]

These are adults.

[James Petregallo]

These are 60 something year old people.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This is so stupid.

[James Petregallo]

So we have 60 something year old people, 30 something year old people, a CIA agent, or many, I don't know, all these different people mixed into the fucking mix. This is so out of control already. Someone needs to just step in and go, hey, stop. Stop it now. A guy will smack the shit out of you right now. Hold up like the back of the hand, you know?

[Jimmy Whisman]

As soon as somebody said no good bitch whore.

[James Petregallo]

That's it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Stop it.

[James Petregallo]

Stop it. It's all over.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That is called insult. Knock it off.

[James Petregallo]

We're all going a little far now with no good bitch or knock it off. Horse slut was the one I liked the best. Horse slut. So It's. This is April 27th. This is the. I can't believe you and Barbara were. You and Janelle were born on the same day and same minute and all that. April 27th. Chris's response. Well, buddy can kill them before they. Before they will, so no worries there. She needs her butt kicked good and left and maybe run over in a bullet in her head. Then she would be a deadpan whore face bitch.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Deadpan whore face.

[James Petregallo]

Whore face bitch. Deadpan, deadpan face, I guess. Deadpan whore face.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She's very funny. She does great dead.

[James Petregallo]

She does her shit real straight. Real straight face. But she's also a whoreface bitch. This is wild. This is wild.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jason Bateman delivery on episode.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, man. April 30, 2011 Janelle's Facebook. Yeah, she says, but it came out, they don't like me because I'm smart and I'm very pretty. And the cops are mad because they go up there and lie and then they come to me and ask me things. And now they have stopped because dad went up there and kicked their butts. Okay, I don't know what that means, but apparently the cops are mad because at those people because those people are just lying about her, saying that she's sending them crazy messages. May 5th. I'm sorry, Firth. You know that day.

[Jimmy Whisman]

May 1st.

[James Petregallo]

May 1st.

[Jimmy Whisman]

May the Firth be with me.

[James Petregallo]

May the firth be with. Wow. May 5, 2011. In a message from Janelle to Mom dated May 5, Janelle stated that they were using Bill's cell phone and that they were being hateful fuckers tonight. I assume they mean Billy. Janelle stated that nothing scared her and that she guessed she just needed to shoot her four times in the fucking head and a few others and then she'll be gone.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why are there. Why is there so much gunplay? Threat. Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

So much threat of killing. They skipped right over. Let's meet at the fucking piggly wiggly parking lot and fucking hash this out with each other.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Let's talk about it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I'll punch you right in your pregnant stomach. Or even to fight about it over.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Booze and we'll talk about it.

[James Petregallo]

I'm not talking about let's meet for coffee. I'm talking even if they wanted to be completely immature and be like, let's meet and throw down. It's better than this. Let's threaten gunplay for a year. It's 2011 already. This started.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Shooter four times in the face.

[James Petregallo]

In the face. Wow. Chris to Bar, Male, May 10, 2011. Wow. I wish I knew someone that would kill her while I'm here. But if you want to kill her and nothing will be asked for sure. I mean, a missing person is a missing person. That's Chris telling the Barb, like, I am busy right now. I kill her if I had the time. But if you guys want to just kill her, it's no sweat, you know, no one will just kidnap.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, do it later. Missing person's a missing person.

[James Petregallo]

So 2011, the Billy's have a little Billy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

They have a son that they do not name. Billy. Thank God.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Good for them.

[James Petregallo]

It's either Trevor or Travis. It's said many ways into many different place. Something with a T, not a B. That's good. Okay, now. Okay. Janelle. By the way, when the Billies complain that they're victims of online harassment by Janelle and her family, Janelle says bullshit. As we've seen, she claimed she was the one who was bullied on Facebook. And she told her parents that her friends threatened to rape her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

Made constant prank phone calls and drove past their house just to intimidate her. Remember she was saying they're pulling in the driveway, People are Getting. Were getting mad. Janelle told her parents that these people were jealous of her because she was, quote, too pretty.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm too hot.

[James Petregallo]

I'm just that other chipmunk looking bitch. She's just jealous of me. She literally says that, though, that Billie Jean is not as pretty as me. So she's jealous. So that's why they sent her cruel messages on Facebook. She said that Billie Jean was behind the attacks because Billie Jean is jealous of her looks and knows that. That Billy really wants to fuck Janelle and that Billie Jean is just a consolation prize. Who fucks deer and bears.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, bears and shit. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

You know, Janelle just retaliates. At one point, she says that she wished on Facebook that Billy and Billie Jean and that damn baby would die. Good God, the baby too. Wow. So while this is all going on, in the midst of all of this is Billy, basically they unfriend Janelle on Facebook.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

That's what precipitated all of this, was they unfriended her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Had enough.

[James Petregallo]

And we know if you unfriend her, she wants to know fucking why. Now Janelle has her own version of the whole unfriending incident.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

She said she wasn't upset that they unfriended her because she said, quote, I think that we did that to each other. I unfriended them, they unfriended me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You can't do that.

[James Petregallo]

You can't. Only one person unfriends. So you can't do it to each other, though. She said, I did Bill first, and then I think Billy did me after, and I unfriended her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

I don't think you can do that. You're already. No. Okay. So the threat gets worse here. Chris starts sending messages to Buddy and Barb.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

Around this time, saying, look, you guys keep an eye on fucking Janelle because I have some intel here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I heard something. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

That Billy is a drug dealer.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

And Billie Jean is way worse of a person. She's a mess and does all these different things and she's a fucking. She's a whore face.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Apparently, according to this fucking other shit. So. And saying that both of them, though, were plotting to have Janelle raped and killed and they want to have her head cut off.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. He's a drug dealer and she's an Al Qaeda.

[James Petregallo]

Yes. That's how it works.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus Christ.

[James Petregallo]

She is definitely a member of isis. And he straight up terrorist and he's a drug dealer. So that's how this goes. So watch out. They're looking for a rapey heading here so. Okay. June 1st here, 2011. This is mom Barb to Chris. If you come back, do you have plans? She says like talked about before for her espech and for others especially I think and for others I hope they will let you do what needs to be done. And Bud is ready to help you though he needs an id. He says in this town they only look at the computer. He has thought and thought of ways and is ready. Just needs another guy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, he needs a CIA badge because everybody knows if. If the police pull you over and you go CIA, show that by all means, please go kill anybody here.

[James Petregallo]

Might as well show him one of those sovereign citizen cards. Please kill everyone in town. Oh, you're here to kill people in our town? Yeah. Please, by all means. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be in your way, sir.

[Jimmy Whisman]

James Bond has a license for it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it's obviously it's, you know, it's right next to these guys like driver's license, diner's club card. I got my MasterCard and there it is. There's my license to kill. There it is. There we go.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Needs the id.

[James Petregallo]

I know I have to get it updated. The picture's kind of faded, but it should still scan. It should scan just fine, I think. Right. Should be fine.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Just needs the ID.

[James Petregallo]

Just needs the ID. So. June 30, 2011. Chris to Barbie. Quote, he would kill her if he had someone else, he said. Meaning Billy, I think. But yes. I think that if he and Buddy. Oh no, this is. He would do someone else.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He'd kill Billie Jean if he could somebody.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. But I think that if he and he and Buddy would meet, it would be a good thing. I guess. This is some other CIA person he's talking about. He knows some people that would help him. But he said trusting someone, you know, he doesn't want anyone to talk. I have had it. I don't know what that means. And seen it for no head it and seen it for myself. Yes. Heard it and seen it for myself. I got a ride of 2 and no one cared nor asked anything lol. You can get away with it. She needs to be killed and Billie Jean I don't care if I killed and Billy she needs to be killed and Billie Jean and I don't care if I killed that baby and her because she's going to make it into her. Whoa. Okay. So Barbie says no, I don't think anyone would really mess with Buddy. No one has seen quote the Other side of him, not in this town. He's trained to rock and roll. You know, the time will.

[Jimmy Whisman]

The guy with chronic pain and ptsd.

[James Petregallo]

Ptsd, but rock and roll never forgets, as we know from Bob Seger. So you know, he wants to rock.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And roll all night long.

[James Petregallo]

Never forgets. Oh my God. She says the time will come. And he thinks, he thinks and he has thought it out. I'm glad that Jamie is really mad and if he feels like Bud, they may take care of some things pretty good. Now she's back on board with Jamie if he's gonna help Bud kill people now. This is crazy. Okay, summer of 2011. Janelle Lindsey Potter. This is Janelle sending Lindsay Potter a private message that says, quote, I'm not trying to be mean, but your so called friends are still coming after me and I'm never left alone. And they have done a lot to my house and to my family and I. I'm not mean, but I'm getting there. I put a pic, I put that pic of them on once for a few friends to see who they were and I took it down. Do you think they are mean? Yes. Do I think you are fooled? Yes. Do you need to be careful who you're friends with? Maybe it's not because I'm. I'm from here, but I'm sick of this crap. I think she means it. Maybe it's because I'm not from here, but I'm sick of this crap and it needs to stop. They need to grow up and live their life like I'm living mine. I'm sick and in the hospital more than I'm at home and this needs to stop. I hope you don't think I'm being mean, but that's about time I take up for myself and say what I think for once. She said I'm not being mean like eight times like a nine year old.

[Jimmy Whisman]

While she's being mean.

[James Petregallo]

While she's being very mean.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Damn near quoted Tupac. I'm not a killer, but don't push me.

[James Petregallo]

Me. Don't fuck with me. Yeah, exactly. I've never done that. Wow. I'm 30 and I act more grown up than most people. I've been through too much to let them get to me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh boy.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus Christ. So the Potter, Lindsay Potter said, sorry that you're sick, but have you actually seen them doing this or are you just assuming because you want it to be them? I honestly don't believe that they're bothering you. They have much better things to do. Than worry about you. Billie Jean just had a baby, so why in the hell would she be so out to get you? I think the best thing for you to do is to drop it, keep your mouth shut and move on. If they're bothering you, then they'll see it isn't working and they'll quit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

All this is good advice, by the way.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yes, it's great advice.

[James Petregallo]

Fuck off. That's it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Lindsey sounds level headed.

[James Petregallo]

It's totally just like a sane person. The first adult we've encountered in this fucking story so far. Besides maybe the Billy's. But we don't. I don't know about. We don't know enough about them. So Janelle then responded. Hi, Lindsay. No, I know what they are doing. And I know other people that have seen it too. But I was not going to write you back. But what made me so mad is you think I want it to be them. Yes, a whore and living with guys and sleeping around and drinking and smoking. Yeah, right. I love who I am and I have a good life. I'm 30 years old. They can't grow up and they don't even have jobs. And they lie. And I'm so not like that. I don't care that she had her baby. I feel bad for it. With a mother like her, I hope maybe it can go to a better home. But the thing is, like I say, I know who I am and I love who I am. And I'm not from here and I'm smart. People down here never seem to do anything with their lives other than pick and, excuse me, hurt people. I'm not like that. I'm a nice girl and I'm doing the best I can. My health is no one's business, I guess. But yes, it's bad. But I'm grateful for every day that God gives me. So maybe you should think before you talk.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. And I'm hot, so leave me alone.

[James Petregallo]

I'm super tall and hot. Don't you know shit? So Lindsay responds, you don't seem very smart to me. You don't seem very smart to me. But that's my opinion. And to each their own. All right. I like Lindsay. So far, no one is perfect. And I'm positive you're definitely not. My advice to you really is to drop it. And you say you're 30 years old. This doesn't seem like a smart 30 year old behavior to me. Okay? To me, Smart one. She called her smart one. Okay. Then in the final message, Janelle wrote. Well, I think they really need to stop their damn games. As far as me being smart, it's kind of funny. I got a 4.0 out of high school and I'm still smarter than you girls. Then this is the greatest. I don't like you anymore. As things seven year olds say to each other. I don't like you anymore.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She wrote that.

[James Petregallo]

She wrote, I don't like you anymore.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I got a 4.0 in high school. I don't like you anymore.

[James Petregallo]

I don't like you anymore.

[Jimmy Whisman]

12 years ago, they said I was smart.

[James Petregallo]

Well, it gets even better amongst 18 year olds.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I was smart.

[James Petregallo]

Just, you know. Then she says, I thought you were nice, but you are not. So I don't like you and you're mean. Then she says, and wow, you're dumb. For everything is right in front of you. Let me guess. You do drugs with them. Well, I will block you and never talk to you again. I think you are no good. Rich whores is what the three is what you three are. And you need to get over yourselves.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Rich whores.

[James Petregallo]

Rich whores.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Holy shit. Wow. This. This is. She's Billy. Lindsay Thomas was Billie Jean's best friend. That's how she got in the mix. So she's not gonna take Janelle's side over her best friend. She had just got this. Lindsay Thomas just got a Facebook friend request from Janelle in 2011, accepted it because they had some mutual friends, and then quickly started getting negative comments about her and about Billie Jean and all this shit. Holy shit. This is crazy. I don't even know what to say here. So then there's an incident while pumping gas. Okay, The Thomas woman that we couldn't figure out who that was. The Thomas woman. No, we got Lindsay Potter and Lindsay. No, Lindsay Thomas. It is Lindsay Thomas. Okay, now the way this goes on, I guess there was phone calls where Janelle would tell Lindsay Thomas to leave her alone. But during other calls, Janelle would just breathe into the phone and not speak. Remember we talked about that?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And that she didn't know it was Janelle because Janelle's home phone number would be displaced. She knew it was Janelle because of the caller id. Anyway, this is all still going on, this phone harassment shit. Remember she took it to court?

[Jimmy Whisman]

And all this playing on the phone.

[James Petregallo]

Now, while all this was pending, one time, Billie Jean was pumping gas at a convenience store when here comes Barb and Janelle. Yeah, okay. See, in a town this small, you're gonna run into people. You can't avoid them getting gas, getting Gas. So Barb and Janelle blocked her car, Billie Jean's car, by positioning their car at the bumper of her car so she couldn't leave. Right then Barb and Janelle screamed at Billie Jean and told her that she did not deserve to be a mother and that she should, quote, not have been given a child. And you fuck deer. Did I mention that?

[Jimmy Whisman]

You bear fucking deer.

[James Petregallo]

Poor face.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You deadpan bitch.

[James Petregallo]

Deadpan whore face. Bitch, whore. Slut.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petregallo]

So people that were around saw Billie Jean was crying and visibly shaken and offered to call the police because these two women just started harassing her. But then when those people came up, that's when Barb and Janelle left the parking lot and went up toward, up quote, up the road toward Mountain City. Okay, August 4, 2011. This is interesting here. We're gonna talk about some topics posts in an email from Janelle's account. And then there's gonna be murder coming up real soon here. So. August 4, 2011, an email from Janelle's email account was sent to Jamie's email account with the subject line R E me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

R E me as in reply.

[James Petregallo]

I'm sorry, start that over.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, okay. R E me as in reply to an email about me, I think.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. In regards to me. Yeah. So the content of the email appeared to be more topics postings that began on August 1st. The participants were Dan White and Matt Potter with one from Mike Dunn and another one from Brandon Eisenhower. Our Eisenhower, the general. You know, breadth of these was that these posts were very similar to prior posts, although now the threats of violence are escalated. Mike Dunn posted. I'm about to fight with you, Billie Jean Hayworth. Why don't you shut your fucking month, you bitch. I think he mouth but shut your shut your fucking month, bitch. One day girl, you are going to get beat up really good and left for dead. You better shut up you bitch. Go fuck a cow for all I care. I thought she fucked deer and bear. Now she's fucking cows too. And trees.

[Jimmy Whisman]

She's taking all commerce, man.

[James Petregallo]

Wow. Damn. Hooker, slut, bag, whore.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Hooker, slut, bag, whore.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. And your bastard baby. Take it with you and leave this fucking town. You won't leave here alive.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What is going on?

[James Petregallo]

Holy shit. So Matt Potter posted in response, damn Mike, what she do? Go after your wife? Damn. I think we just need to gut her and leave her for dead and kill the damn fucking whore. And then he said to Billie Jean, you're a fucking no good person and your day is coming. And somehow Spelled coming wrong.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Two M's.

[James Petregallo]

C, O M E I N, G. Wow. And then Dan White posted I hope about this is Billie Jean, Lindsay Thomas and others here. I hope you all get raped and killed for what you did.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Me too.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus Christ. At this point. Whatever. October 9, 2011 email okay, this is apparently from Lindsay. Yeah, you're a fucking bitch and your fucking ass is going to jail and Billy is going to kill you. He has said that and I hope he does. None of us want you around nor living. You are nothing.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Billy and Billie Jean have had enough of this shit. This is.

[James Petregallo]

They've had enough of this shit.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Absolutely ridiculous.

[James Petregallo]

Lindsey's saying that. October 22, 2011. Janelle posts about being hospitalized after going to court and claims that they said we hope she dies as she was leaving the courtroom.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who fucking cares?

[James Petregallo]

Who gives a shit if you're not in 10th grade, who cares?

[Jimmy Whisman]

You don't have to hope I die.

[James Petregallo]

Oh yeah, you don't have to go to English class with any of these people. Who cares?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who gives a shit?

[James Petregallo]

Fucking cares.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You know how you can get back at them? Wake up tomorrow.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. Wake up to move out of this town. How about that? Jesus Christ. She posted they want me dead. October 25, 2011 Chris to Jamie. Okay, here we go. Chris to her boyfriend Jamie. CIA Chris to Janelle's boyfriend Jamie was getting text messages from Chris too. And Jamie's, you know, relationship with Chris is growing as well and all that kind of thing. Through this Chris said, yes, man, I'm with you 100%. She loves you so much and misses you a lot. I know she is not fine. Look at the poor thing. And it's sad that they're doing this to her life. October 27, 2011 Kris to Jamie. I know you've taken up for her and her family and her. Okay. It means a lot to me. These girls are just driving her so crazy, you know. They are crazy with you and buddy. I hope you can all get them. I hope it all works out great. You're going to help the town. Wish I could kill them, but right now I really can't. I got so much going on at the office buried in paperwork. I'd love to kill this brand new mother. Yeah, and maybe her baby too. But I'm just. I'm up to here in paperwork.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm still trying to get Dad's ID.

[James Petregallo]

I'm getting IDs. I know she's a whorefaced slut. Bitch. Skank. Fucking dear cow. Fucking deadpan. You know. Okay. October 31st, Chris to Jamie, I can't say everything now. You can't talk all of a sudden. But Lindsay Thomas and Billy and Billie Jean are going to get their payback for what they're doing to Janelle. November 1st. Next day, Barbara to Jamie, I know they think that I'm a little sweet lady who wouldn't do anything but just smile and be nice to them. Never carry a gu. But they are dead wrong. I hide my anger and readiness well. My dad and Buddy have trained me well. Oh, God. November 1st, Matt Potter posts on topics making numerous references, hoping the victims and her friends and all of their friends would fucking die and go to hell.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

November 10th, Chris to Jamie, I can't wait for you and Buddy and us to do our jobs. November 16th, Barbara to Jamie, I just wanted to tell you that I looked at your Facebook account, Jack. Jackright94yahoo.com is your email and your password is mexall. Oh, okay. I did write to Chris earlier and tell him never to use last names on Facebook, but the ones he wrote in the other night already has. He already has deleted anyway. But anyway, it's Chris that is putting their whole names on, not Janelle. Okay. November 21, 2011, Janelle on her Facebook adds people to her family on there and lists both Chris and Matt Potter as her brothers. Oh, okay.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They're her brothers because they take over.

[James Petregallo]

On topics and their name Potter. So why not?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why not?

[James Petregallo]

November 23, 2011, Barbara to Jamie, they're trying to kill Janelle little by little. But doctor says at this rate, it could happen anytime with heart attack, stroke, DKA itself that she is getting it too often now and the stress has to stop. By the way, if you talk text with Chris, ask him if he thinks the CIA will back up Buddy if he takes it into his own hands. What are you. What are you talking about?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What are they gonna do?

[James Petregallo]

November 30, 2011 is court. This is where Billie Jean testifies against Janell when Lindsay Thomas's phone harassment charges tried here after court. That's the general Sessions judge dismissed the case right after court. Buddy, Barb, Janelle and Jamie, who had attended court there, went to a convenience store located around here to have lunch. While they were eating, Billie Jean and Osborne came in there. Tara Osborne came in the store then walked out. Okay, they said. When the Potters and Jamie exited the store, Billy pulled up in the parking lot. Billy got out of his car and began angrily hollering at the Potters as Billy and Buddy hollered and yelled at one another. Jamie just Left.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. December 6, 2011. Barbara to Chris quote. So the victims may as well accept the loss and go on with their lives, be they with their lives, be they are not going to get Janelle. There is no way. Between our heavy quantities of ammo and protection of her at all times and your alls, they're going to get the surprise of their life. If someone wants to bring it on, they will all die, including the baby. This bitch has a blood loss to kill this baby.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm kidding. She hates that baby.

[James Petregallo]

Barb hates this baby so much. Wow. She says so if you think that it will be different, that it will be in a week or so things will be happening. We are thinking different sooner and are ready. We will see. It may be sooner than anyone thinks. We want peace and no one here wants to kill anyone. But we will. Bud is so five O's ready. We all are. We are ready to take care of this ourselves especially Bud and Jamie are super ready all the time. I will kill two if I have to. Not just hurt, but kill.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

December 12th. Chris says, but round three is Billy wants to hurt Janelle or just yell at her. He has not made his mind up. They are wanting to hurt her for many reasons. Then Barb responds, anyone who wants to mess with Janelle or with us is asking to die. Yeah, obviously. December 14th, Jamie to Barb. I hoped Billy and Billie Jean and Lindsay will get what's coming to them. December 14th, Chris. This is Chris posting on Janelle's Facebook.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So using her Facebook to Bill Payne, Billie Jean Hayworth, Lindsay Thomas and Tara and Brad Osborne and etc. This is all caps, by the way.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Please leave Janelle alone, not leave Lev Janelle alone. And stop with the harassment because all of you are just a bunch of white trash, no good ugly people. Or you can just go jump off a mountain for all I care. You all need to get out of my sister's life.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay?

[James Petregallo]

Okay. So. December 16th. This is Barb to Chris. What are your feelings if someone was found with a hole in them somewhere in a car? Have you done this? Would they check it out or not? No, they usually just tow that car, smash it and pretend the body wasn't even there. They never look into that. If you do it in a. That's part of the rules. They'll look into people with holes in their heads. Unless they're found in a car, then all bets are off.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This body's got a hole in it. Yeah, but Is it in a car? It is. It's out of our jurisdiction.

[James Petregallo]

What do you want from me? You gotta call the DMV if you want anything done with that. I don't know what to tell you.

[Jimmy Whisman]

There's a long line. You gotta take a number. It's all afternoon.

[James Petregallo]

It's too much, man. Okay. This is fucking bonkers. January 14, 2012, Barb on Janelle's page complaining about evil people and asking, may God have mercy on their souls. January 14th, on Janelle's Facebook she says, I'm sick of hearing they want me dead and Lindsay wants to kick my butt. It's never going to happen. I'm never alone and my dad carries guns and my mom, so they just need to back off. January, this woman moved here five years ago. So I mean, they're new, well over 10. Christine moved there in 2009, but it's been less than 10 years and they hate. It's a wow. So January 16th, she emails to herself, links, can God forgive a murderer? From the Christian news, then links to Billy Graham, questions about forgiveness and murder on AOL search results.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Billy Graham.

[James Petregallo]

Billy Graham. Another Billy in this fucking mix. January 30, 2012. Here we go. Barbara calls Jamie and invites him to the Parker Are the Potter residence to work on the computer. While there, Buddy came into the computer room and asked Jamie if he would do him a favor. Buddy asked Jamie to take him down next to Billy's, let him out and then go down the road and come back and pick him up.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay, go down the road a piece, Make a ue. I'll be on the side of the road waiting on you.

[James Petregallo]

I'll be waiting. But he didn't specify a time or date. So now Janelle and Barb were not in the room when this favor was asked for. When Jamie got back to his house, Janelle called him on his home phone and told him that Buddy needed Jamie's help to do something. He's like, yeah, already told me. Got it. Jamie told Janelle that he wanted to work on his computer. This guy just nothing but fixing computers. And maybe all these people have like a 2002 Dell that's like just all fucked up by now. Maybe that's a problem.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Take out the motherboard, put a new one in. It's all fine.

[James Petregallo]

Fix it all up here. He wanted to. This is amazing. He wanted to work on his computer and he needed to hang up so he could use his phone line. He's got dial up in 2012.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Ah, Jesus Christ.

[James Petregallo]

But there's a lot of rural areas. There are still millions of people that use dial up today right now because the infrastructure has not gotten there yet. We have. We've had no Tennessee Valley Authority for Internet like we had for electricity.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Long road, man.

[James Petregallo]

Long fucking road, babe. So there you go. This is interesting. So they. He said, yeah, I got to do that. Jamie then received a text message. You shouldn't be getting text messages and talking about your modem at the same time. That's crazy. He. He got a text message from Janelle's cell phone that said, quote, I would not take your cell phone with you in the morning, love.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. So this is all that goes on January 31, 2012, 1:47am so the beginning of January 31, phone call between Jamie and Janelle. 18 minutes long. 2:21am Janelle to Jamie in a text indicating she wanted to talk for just a little. 2:30am Janelle sends to Jamie, I love you. I would not take your cell with you in the morning. And then love at the end, then Janelle to Jamie at 4:25am Did Buddy get the phone? Okay. 4:26am Janelle to Jamie. Shit. Call back. 4:36am Janelle to jamie is leaving. The. Is leaving now. The front door open and closed. 4:38am Janelle to Jamie. Yes, he's leaving now. I hear the car. I Love you, baby. 4:39am Janelle to Jamie, I love you. He took off. Love you. 4:40am Janelle to Jamie, I love you. Text me back when you get back. Okay? 6:20am at P.A. bill's house. Yeah, Billy and Billie Jean's house. Bradley Osborne. Let's get another person in the mix here. He usually left his house about 6:20 to drive to Billy Payne's house to pick him up to carpool for work.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Sure. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

This day, January 31st, he waited outside the house for a few minutes, but Billy didn't come outside. PA Bill had already left for work. He's gone. So this Bradley Osborne. Now, I don't know if he's related to the other Osborne or not. Who the fuck knows at this, I assume everyone's related in some way here. So he said he went to the sliding glass door that was seldom locked, and he opened it and stuck his head in and called out for Billy, yo, Billy, where are you at? You know, so he had knocked on the door, then he ended. So then he knocks a little more. Nobody comes. So then he walks into the house through the slide door, the sliding glass door. He can hear an alarm clock ringing. And he calls out from the living room again multiple times and gets no response. So then he went to a telephone, the home phone in the living room and called Billy's cell phone, trying to wa up. He thought that he heard a baby whimper, but he was unsure. So he said he didn't go down to the bedrooms out of respect, you know, you don't want to walk in on, you know, Billie Jean with her ass out. Yeah. And didn't think anything unusual. He just left and went to work and think, oh, shit, everyone overslept here. I gotta go to work, though.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I'm not gonna be.

[James Petregallo]

I'm not gonna be late. So then Linda and Roy Stevens, let's introduce them. They went to get their mail at about 10, 10am they are former neighbors of Billy and Billie Jean who had moved out. And they still get mail. Sometimes Billy and Billie Jean pick it up, they put it on a shelf for him and he comes to pick it up every week or so. So now Roy Stevens noticed that Billy and Billie Jean's vehicles were at the at. They're there. So he knocked and entered the unlocked sliding glass door. Everyone feels real comfortable just walking these people's houses.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Really amazing.

[James Petregallo]

Never do this in my house, everybody.

[Jimmy Whisman]

If you do in mind, you better scream.

[James Petregallo]

Don't shoot in my house. You better scream. Where are the fucking dogs? You're about to get met by Frankie.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Be a good girl.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, you're about to get met by like 300 pounds of dog. Enjoy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You better bring milk bones.

[James Petregallo]

Good luck.

[Jimmy Whisman]

They'll still eat your arm about it.

[James Petregallo]

They'll eat you. Yeah. Frankie would put the milk bone down, eat you, then. Eat the milk bone. Hold on a minute. I'm gonna murder you first. Yeah, exactly. So once inside, Roy Stevens said he, quote, hollered but received no response. He continued to call out as he walked down the hallway toward the bedrooms. When he looked into the first bedroom, he found Billy. That's good, but it's not good because Billy is lying on his back in bed and Roy sees blood near the doorway and blood on Billy's neck. He hollered at. He said, billy, Billy. And approached him and grabbed him by the arm to see if he could wake him up.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh boy.

[James Petregallo]

But he doesn't respond. So he. Roy runs out of the house and tells his wife, call 911 because Billy's dead now. Rather than call 911. Linda is trained in CPR, so she rushes into the residence to try to help him, which is pretty cool of her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's great. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

She found Billy. She said he was very stiff and ice cold and his face looked as if it had been beaten.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's over.

[James Petregallo]

She attempted to find a pulse in his neck and realized that his throat had been cut.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh my God.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. She stuck her hand like in the wound.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

She then used a phone in the living room to call 91 1. But during that. But there's some stuff that's happening here. While his wife. While Linda's on the phone with 911, Roy hears a noise coming from the second bedroom. He enters the bedroom and finds Billie Jean. She's on the floor clutching a seven month old child in her arms. There is blood everywhere.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh God.

[James Petregallo]

The baby appears to be breathing and asleep.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Billie Jean though, is not breathing and Roy could see a hole in her head. So they pick the Linda grabs the baby, finds no injuries on the baby. Wow. Baby's fine. Then checked Billie Jean for a pulse and said that she was lying with a pool of blood at the top of her head and observed fragments of her hair and stuff on the carpet. Brain matter and viscera. It's not good. She had no pulse and was very deceased. She had been shot in the face in the baby's nursery while cradling the baby. While holding a seven month old baby. The baby was covered in blood by the way, obviously. So he's completely unharmed, though fine physically. She calls 911 and says, hello, I need an ambulance bad. I would say so bad. The operator said, quote, honey, I need a name. How Southern Eastern town. Honey, I need a name.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Linda said there's a baby involved. He don't look right. He's in one room and she's in another by the playpen. It kind of looks like she was trying to get to her baby because some people said she was clutching and then she said she wasn't. So I don't know if. If Roy picked the baby out of her arms first and she didn't know this on the phone with 911 yet possibly she said it's bad. Please. Okay. What's going on? Oh my God. Oh, no. No. There's no C on neither one of them and they're white and they're their kid. The baby's here now. The baby is not crying. He's awake. He's awake. Oh, God. They said, do you want to attempt to do CPR on any one of them? And Linda said, you can tell by looking at them. Their faces, they're swelled, they're black and blue. They've been beaten. They're both dead. It's too late.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

So the police arrive, and the agent in charge of all this, he's a Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, Special Agent Scott Lott. Scott Lott.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Nice.

[James Petregallo]

Good lord. He said, it takes a cold blooded person to shoot someone holding an infant.

[Jimmy Whisman]

True?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I would say so. So the autopsies are performed. They were killed with no defensive wounds.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Really.

[James Petregallo]

Billy's cause of death was a gunshot wound to the face and his throat was cut. Jesus, that's wild. They said they thought the gunshot occurred first and then the throat. Just overkill. Billie Jean's cause of death was gunshot wound to the head. Okay. 10:11pm Janelle emails Jamie's phone and says, I've been. Baby, are you okay? And like Buddy said, come over and talk. Okay? I love you so much. I love you so much, baby. He said you were sick, so I left you alone. Okay? Now the investigators, the Chief Deputy Woodward here and Agent Lott here, and they said that they learned very quickly their only known enemies were the Potter family. That's all they have. So right away, they're gonna start with the Potter family. And they start looking at social media of everybody and shit like that. They're like, jesus Christ. This is insane. They get some witnesses here. A guy named J.D. winebarger says that Buddy had made threats against Billy Payne before the murders, that he knew of a guy named Calvin Williams and a guy named Matthew Richardson, both friends of Billy, said that Billy dealt drugs and had interactions with the Potters before, you know, a year ago or so, and kind of helped fill them in on some stuff that Billy had told them and shit like that. So they know that the Potter family and Jamie Curd had trouble with this family. So they want to interview all of them, obviously, you know, Buddy, Barb, Janelle and Jamie. So. So they do. They speak to the Potters at their home the day after the killings. In this interview, the Potter family said they were shocked by the deaths. They also said. They said, well, you don't seem. You seem to hate these people. You're probably thrilled they're dead. And they said, we didn't write any of that shit. Our social media accounts were hacked. Oh, people been fucking with us too. Like we're victims here too. I don't know who's been doing this, but we got hacked. None of this shit what we said. So, yeah, they said, they denied any knowledge of anything. The only thing we know about the murders is what we saw on tv. We don't know anything. But she did tell the investigators. Janelle did. That the victims had been harassing the living crap out of her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, she said that I went rock climbing with them at first and we did all this stuff. And she said that Billie Jean did not go rock climbing and that Billy was dating someone else at the time and all this. And so that's how this all happened. Janelle said that she attended a party one time at Billy's residence with the Tracy, but that the drinking and drug use and weapons present at the party made her uncomfortable. So she ended up sitting out in the car in the driveway. And Janelle. That's good. Janelle later told the Greenwell lady that she would never go to another party at Billy's residence. And Buddy stated that one of the guns Janelle described as being at the party was an AK47.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

She's not needed for a party, probably. Janelle said her problems with the Billy's began when their friend Lindsay Thomas cussed her out at the grocery store for using a food stamp card. How dare you. Janelle said that after this incident, they made up three Facebooks of me using my picture. And she claimed they hacked into her social media accounts and harassed her. She said Barb also said that they hacked in and they threatened Janelle, saying, we want you dead. Barb said that Lindsay Thomas made a fake Facebook account and used the Facebook account to tell Janelle, I'll stomp your fucking ass. Barb also recall recounted that Buddy caught, quote, them trying to put sugar in the gas tanks.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

And that they scratched Buddy's truck, broke their garage door, and threw rocks at the house and Janelle's window. This is all very 14 year old neighborhood bully. Yeah, like Halloween mischief night bullshit. Janelle said that she eventually went to court over the claims that she was harassing Lindsay. And she said after one court date, she had to be carried out of the courtroom by Buddy and Jamie due to illness. And that while she was being carried out, Billie Jean and Tara Osborne and Lindsay Thomas told her, I hope you die. So the investigators asked Janelle why the victims and their friends were harassing her. And she said it came out to be a jealousy thing. They said I was too pretty, that I wasn't from here, so I was never gonna be accepted. I'm too pretty. That's like a guy going, they said my dick was just too big. They said it was just too big. And they didn't feel comfortable just being around me. They were like, ah, fuck this big dick motherfucker. And they hate me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Big fans of Ike Clanton talking about, I hope you die.

[James Petregallo]

Hope you die. Janelle also told them that one of the victim's male friends had threatened to rape her. She said that she almost died due to the stress caused by the situation. And explained. Explained that she had heart problems and that the victims and their friends had known that she would get very sick under stress.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

She also said that Billy had run his mouth about Buddy and Jamie selling drugs as well, saying they were selling drugs. We're not selling drugs. You're selling drugs. She said that Billy was upset with Jamie because Jamie went to court with the Potters on Janelle's behalf rather than his behalf because they were friends. Barb also said that Billy had talked about having a gang. Billy ran a gang, which he claimed was, quote, bigger than Ms. 13.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, really?

[James Petregallo]

Obviously. I mean, yeah, you know, there's only 2,600 people in the whole town. If every member of. If every person in town was a member of your gang, it'd still come up short.

[Jimmy Whisman]

But Sorry, there's only 13 people in Ms. 13.

[James Petregallo]

That's why they, like. I got like 15 friends. Buddy said that he didn't go to bed until 6:30 or 7am because he had to watch over Janelle and Barb. Janelle said that Billy had parked his truck. Wow. By their house and shot a gun at the house.

[Jimmy Whisman]

God, jeez.

[James Petregallo]

She said that Billy also shot a gun at Jamie's trailer. Buddy said that he believed that Billy had been shooting over the Potter residence because he found no bullet holes in the structure. Janelle said that she ended up in the hospital after Billy shot at their house. She said that Billy told her, I'm going to kill you. I'm going to get you at some point. Janelle denied ever posting anything negative on the Internet about the victims. She said that she had only asked Billy, Billie Jean and Lindsay Thomas to leave her alone. When asked if she wished that the victims, if she wished them dead online, she said, no, no, I'm not that mean. I just tell people to leave me alone. She said, not only am I too pretty, they're upset that I prevailed in the court case. Yeah, they had to watch my sweet ass walking out of that court victorious, but whatever. Yeah. She said, though, that she'd been hacked. They made up three profiles using her photograph, and that she knew they would kill her parents to get to her. Buddy denied that Jamie was even in a relationship with Janelle.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

He said, they're not in love.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's my computer mechanic.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. She said, because isn't Jamie in love with Janelle? And he was like, no, no. He said the matter had been, quote, straightened out a long time ago.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Straightened out.

[James Petregallo]

Now, I don't know if they mean that. The matter of them fighting online or Jamie and Janelle, I'm not sure, about a week after. So that goes by. They interview them. They give them nothing. The Potter family gives them nothing. They have nothing to go on, so they leave. What are they gonna do? So about a week later, they call Jamie in. They think Jamie might be the weak.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Link, Jamie might be the dummy.

[James Petregallo]

Well, he's not related to them, so they might have a tight bond, but Jamie might want to see the light of day someday if he's involved in this. So they get him in there, and this time he's got a different story. Because the first time he's like, I don't know nothing about nothing, man. Now he says, yeah, I was at the house around that time. I mean, I was there, but I didn't do anything. I was at the scene, but I didn't do anything.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Don't say that.

[James Petregallo]

He said, buddy's the one that shot them.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay, yeah, that was easy.

[James Petregallo]

Jamie said that? Yeah, I mean, they were in there. And Buddy told me that when Billie Jean ran out of the bedroom, he blocked her in the front hallway. Buddy did. To kill her.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He.

[James Petregallo]

Then. They don't even know if they believe Jamie at this point because they still think he did it and he's trying to pin it on the father. So they go, will you take a polygraph examination? He says, sure, hook me up. I'll do whatever you want.

[Jimmy Whisman]

This old man in bad health blocked people and shot him in the face.

[James Petregallo]

Went in there on a murder spree.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So during the interview, Jamie asks Agent Lott, quote, is the CIA here?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So this guy was. Agent Lott was like, what the hell are you talking about, CIA? He goes, I don't know what you're talking about. He said, none of the investigators had mentioned the CIA during any interview. Like, we didn't bring it up. Where the hell's the CIA come into this? So he didn't get it. So he said, well, yeah, I'm asking because Buddy told me that he was with the CIA and that he was hoping the CIA had his back. And, you know, he had Chris on his side.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You're gonna bail me out of this? Yeah, yeah. Justify homicide.

[James Petregallo]

But they go, but so you had a contact with an FBI agent? He goes, yeah, Chris.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And Then he goes, but I don't know if he was real.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, Jamie.

[James Petregallo]

Jamie said that. He goes, well, I mean, I thought Chris was real. I mean, I thought there was a, you know, someone that I was talking to there. And Janelle, the way she would talk to me, it was like a bonding family thing, and it's like all a lie.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, Jamie, you're so dumb.

[James Petregallo]

He said that he'd been texting with a man named Chris who told him about the CIA and doing all that, and that his job was to protect Janelle at all times. They didn't get it, though. So he admitted to participation. He implicates Buddy, and then they go, would you call Buddy for us and get him to talk some shit? So he goes, all right, I guess so. Agent Lott asks him to call. He instructs Jamie to ask Buddy what he had done with the gun and knife used during the murders.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So they record this call. Obviously it's February 6, 2012, in the early morning hours of February 7. And later on they're gonna play it. They say he answered the phone. Barb answered the phone and spoke with Jamie for a few minutes. And Barb referenced receiving an email sent by Chris that indicated that Jamie had been arrested. So Barb asked Jamie if he had taken a lie detector test and whether he passed it. Buddy then spoke with Jamie. Jamie asked Buddy if he got rid of everything from bills. And Buddy responded, uh huh. Jamie then said, okay, that makes me feel a lot better. And Buddy said, yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so anyway, that's how that goes now, in this call, Buddy told Jamie that no reason existed for anyone to point the fingers at you, at Jamie, just because Bill was pulling the shit he did. Don't worry about it right now. What the fuck actually happened? Let's find out. In the early morning hours of January 31, Jamie's home phone range. By the time he got to the phone, it stopped ringing. Caller ID showed the phone call came from the Potter residence. Janelle then sent a text message telling him was trying to call him and saying, call back. Remember the call back one?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Jamie called Buddy and Buddy asked if Jamie could do that favor for him that morning. That favor. Jamie agreed to help Buddy. So then Janelle sent Jamie a text message message that said, daddy's leaving. Remember? He. He's pulling out of the driveway. I love you. I love you. I love you. Buddy arrived at Jamie's residence while it was still dark outside. He got into Buddy's vehicle, and Buddy drove to the parking lot of a Church near Billy and Billie Jean's house when they pulled in. Yeah, when they pulled in, Jamie asked Buddy how far down he was supposed to drive. But Buddy said that Jamie may not have to go. Jamie and Buddy sat in the church parking lot and waited for Pa Bill to leave the residence After Paul. Guys named Paul Bill have lots of guns on them too.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It's a frightening man.

[James Petregallo]

They carry like a. Like a double barrel shotgun just walking down the street.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Paul, they carry like a double barrel. 44 that nobody's ever seen.

[James Petregallo]

They made it themselves.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, they just welded two together.

[James Petregallo]

So after Pa left for work, Jamie and Buddy walked across a field toward the residence. Once there, they walked behind a shed behind the residence. Jamie told Buddy that if Billy saw them, all hell was going to break loose. And Buddy handed Jamie a gun. Jamie told him that he could not kill anyone. And Buddy responded that he just needed Jamie to stand at that door.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Don't worry, CIA's got it.

[James Petregallo]

Don't worry about it. We got you covered. So they walked around the shed and entered the residence through the back sliding glass door. Three different sets of people in here. Just lock the fucking door. All this is solved. Jamie stood at the door while Buddy went down the hallway and entered the first bedroom. Jamie heard Billy say, what the hell? And Billie Jean ran out of the bedroom and further down the hallway. Then Jamie heard a gunshot. Moments later, Buddy came out of the bedroom and looked at Jamie. Jamie pointed down the hallway in the direction of Billie Jean and Buddy proceeded down the hall. So where'd she go? Jamie looked inside the first bedroom and saw Billy lying on the bed. Jamie then heard another gunshot and he ran out of the residence and back across the field to the vehicle. He gave the gun back to Buddy when Buddy returned to the vehicle. And then Buddy dropped Jamie off at the end of his driveway. He got out of the vehicle, he says, and walked across the road and threw up.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jamie said, I'm surprised he held it that long.

[James Petregallo]

I wouldn't have taken me that long. He then went to, I guess his mother's trailer, somebody's trailer here, because he didn't want to be alone. He told this person, whoever it is, his mother, his sister, somebody, that he had received a text message from Chris and that the problem was over. So, you know, he said, so, yeah, that's what happened. So the cops, basically, as soon as he's done, they get in the car and head over to the Potter residence to go a searching and arresting as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So they arrest Marvin Buddy at his home. They Said during the arrest, Buddy made a quick motion toward his side, where they found a loaded.45 caliber holster in his right hip.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

But he thought better of it and didn't do anything. So they subdued him without resistance. They described him as cooperative, though the arrest team had been warned that he's usually armed with numerous firearms and has them all over the house too. So watch out.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And he grabs them fast.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, no shit. A search of the Potter home led to the discovery of an arsenal of weapons, although none of them matched the murder weapon. At Marvin's truck, there were bags and bags of shredded, printed out emails between Chris and the Potter family.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Why is it printed?

[James Petregallo]

So Buddy can read it? Because he doesn't get on the computer. So they print the shit out for Buddy? Yep. Idiots. So they were reconstructed. Because even when they're shredded, if you have enough time and enough manpower, you spend all day putting that shit back together.

[Jimmy Whisman]

A little bit of tape.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. They got around 100 pages of emails for deciphered, which confirmed Jamie's story about the CIA operative Chris. Because they were like, he's pulling this Chris guy out of his ass. But then they got all the things. They're like, no, they're not. No, he's not. It's true. So this Chris kept encouraging them to act on their, you know, their actions and to get rid of these two before they could act on their sinister plan to attack and kill and murder everybody. So cut her head off and raped the whore. Slut. Bitch face. Deadpan skank. Bitch. Whore. Did I mention whore?

[Jimmy Whisman]

She's a whore.

[James Petregallo]

They mention whore a lot. Yeah. Authorities also found ripped up photos of Billy and Billie Jean with salacious and hateful remarks written across them.

[Jimmy Whisman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, like fuck these people and all that kind of crap. During the raid and his arrest, Buddy said to the police, ever since all this crap started, I've had my life threatened. My wife life has been threatened. They threaten to take Janelle and cut off her head. They analyze the family computer and they discover hundreds of emails that Chris sent to Buddy and Barbara that all came from the same IP address, which is the Potter's home. It's coming from inside the house.

[Jimmy Whisman]

It sure in the fuck is. It's coming from your asshole daughter.

[James Petregallo]

Yup. The grammatical and spelling mistakes in Chris's emails match Janelle's pattern of speech.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus Christ.

[James Petregallo]

Which led the they. She made this person up. She made up Chris the CIA operative and made up this whole thing and sent all these emails and had a web of all that she disabled my ass. How did they believe she's a manipulative lunatic?

[Jimmy Whisman]

There's a man out there born at the same time as me, you guys, and I've known him. I don't know how you guys didn't know me. As our name.

[James Petregallo]

How did you not know him? Wow.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

Remarkable. So who the fuck was she basing Chris on? Chris was based on a guy named Chris Tehedan, who was a constable from Delaware who went to high school with Janelle.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

He said he only vaguely remembered Janelle, but apparently she had been obsessed with him for years, and looking at his social media and all that kind of thing, she used photos of him she found online to create the fake Facebook profile she made to fuck with her parents.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Now, this Chris guy, the real Chris, said he was kind of amused by the whole thing because he's like, what the fuck? I mean, we've had quite a few laughs today, but still. The district attorney showed him photo after photo on email, supposedly from him, and each time he answered, nope, not me.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Not me.

[James Petregallo]

Not me. Yeah, he said that, you know, he only vaguely remembered. He barely remembered her. He said they had occasionally spoken, but I haven't talked to her since 2000 when we graduated. So that's interesting. Then they find that the bullets recovered from Buddy's truck were two different brands. All were.38 caliber lead bullets. He said all the bullets had scratches or tool marks on the side that he referred to as a poor man's hollow point.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, he's. He's carving him up to have him explode.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he's doing his own fucking cheap ammo. Jesus Christ. They interview Buddy, interrogate him for three hours. He initially denied any involvement, claim he was home until 6am that morning. Then he was confronted with the recorded phone call that Jamie made to him. And he said, all right, fine. Yeah, I did it. Yeah, I fucking did. He said, but Janelle and Barb don't have any idea what I did.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay?

[James Petregallo]

He called Barb. And on the call, Buddy told Barbara that he was involved and that he did it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

And he said he did it because of what they tried to do to Janell. That's what he said. So that's what he said. I did it for those reasons. Yeah. They said when they. But his later on, they'll say that Barb said that you shouldn't accept this because Buddy didn't know what he was talking about. Because when they took him in, they took no oxygen, they took no medication, and they interviewed him for hours. When his oxygen gets low. He starts saying things that don't make sense or are incorrect. You know, like, I murdered three, two people.

[Jimmy Whisman]

But did he have oxygen at home when he took a phone call?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, no shit. So. October 22, 2011. October 22. Some time has gone by here. Oh, no, that's before. I'm sorry. That's pretty. Janelle had posted that she'd become so stressed and her sugar so high while she was in court that she had to be escorted by Jamie and Buddy, if you remember that saying, they want me dead and all that. Then the posts on everything, Leave my family alone, all that shit. January 14, 2012. They saw that Barb posted on Janelle's page complaining about evil people and asking God have mercy on their souls. Janelle posting, I'm sick of hearing people wanting me dead, blah, blah, blah. So that's. It happened. January 31st, 2012.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

August of 2013.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Barbara and Janelle are finally arrested. Really took that long to piece it all together. Janelle denies any involvement in anything. Janelle is charged with two counts of first degree premeditated murder, one count of conspiracy to commit murder. Marvin Buddy is two counts of first degree premeditated murder. And Barb gets the same as Janelle. So one count of conspiracy. And Jamie is charged as well, obviously here. Murder and conspiracy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So now Buddy's Buddy psychiatrist said that hypoxia and hearing loss may have impaired his judgment and comprehension during the police interviews. He was. You really can't take anything he said in there seriously.

[Jimmy Whisman]

All right?

[James Petregallo]

He had no oxygen and he doesn't hear so well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. He said he thought they said dill like a pickle. And he was like, I love dills. I did it. Yeah, I ate it. He's like, oh, kill. I didn't kill nobody. No. So late 2013 is Buddy's trial here, and basically they're trying to. His strategy is nobody here was involved in anything she said. Their lawyers argue that Janelle's intellect is that of an eight or nine year old, and she's not capable of putting together such a complicated, sophisticated.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Her insults are.

[James Petregallo]

But, yeah, the real Chris testifies. Oh, he comes in. Here's a quote from a courtroom attendee. The second Chris comes in, her eyes were just drawn to him and would not leave. Meaning Janelle, as she testified. As he testified, her eyes were fixed on him. They remember Janelle being. She said he remembered Janelle as being very strange, but had no idea she'd been obsessed with him. He said, quote, she Was, you know, one of those kids. That is very strange.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So the verdict they have overwhelming. I mean, hers is fucking accomplished. Confessed. It's over. They find him guilty. Buddy gets found. He is sentenced to use. May fuck off. Two life sentences For Billy or for Buddy? Yeah, he's in his late 60s. He's not going anywhere, Jamie. Then he goes to trial, and during the beginning of his trial, he ends up pleading guilty. They offer him a deal and he takes it. Yeah, he's already admitted it, for Christ's sake. Pled guilty to facilitation of first degree murder and he receives you, son. May fuck off. 25 years in prison. May 2015. Janelle and Barbara are tried together at the same time.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Mother daughter murder trial. You do not see that very often.

[Jimmy Whisman]

That's pretty wild.

[James Petregallo]

Mother, daughter sitting at the defense table together. Wow. Now, the Special Agent Scott Lott said that the women were the masterminds of all this shit. They were manipulating everybody here. They believe that Janelle pretended to be Chris and used a false identity to fool her parents. But we don't know if Barbara knew or not. I doubt it, because Barbara was. Barbara was talking to the person. She asked.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Barbara's dumb, too. She asked, if you shoot somebody in a car, whose jurisdiction are they gonna look? She's dumb.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, she's real dumb. I really think that Janelle manipulated all of these people.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I do, too. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Like, this is all. Whatever they get. Janelle should get more. Yeah, she's very. Think about this plot to cook up, dude. This is insanity. Fuck. Yeah. The lawyer said, though, that she just made her up. She said social media allowed Janelle to potter to be someone that she wasn't. She invented Chris. She could assume a different identity and be as hateful as she wanted to be. That's. The prosecutor also told the jury that she's the one who authored all the CIA Chris emails and pointed out the. The childish writing and misspellings attached with her pattern of speech. She said, this is. Agent Lott said, I think they would be called masterminds. Janelle kind of spurred it. Barbara got it to happen. Barbara got Buddy good and pissed off and ready to do this. But Barbara thought she was doing something real. I think. I think she really thought she was protecting her daughter.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think she did, too. Yeah. I think she thought that the CIA would help because this is defending our property and our lives.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. Our daughter. The defense's whole defense here. He says this in one of the closings or openings. My client is not guilty for Having an overprotective father, she's not capable of directing anyone to commit murder. It's just not in her. Now. Jamie testified he told the court he could never have imagined he'd find himself, you know, inside. Because Billy's his cousin, by the way.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus. That's right, his first cousin.

[James Petregallo]

He said, I never thought I'd be in my cousin's house acting as a lookout with a gun in my hand while somebody else killed my cousin and his girlfriend. I never thought I'd be here. Then they get lot to break down all the messages, the ones that were known to be drafted by Barb and Janelle. He said that those documents were used to identify patterns in their writings for comparison with emails sent by their Yahoo and AOL accounts, which sounds like it's from 40 years ago since so old to hear that. They said that he reviewed the Barb's typewritten statement in which she prepared as well as emails that Christine identified being written by her mother and highlighted patterns in her writings such as the use of the abbreviation YRS for years and the use of the ampersand and T H o instead of though and thru instead of through frequent use of hyphens, dashes, and parentheses as well.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Lots of. Lots of Internet speak.

[James Petregallo]

So basically, yeah. Also, they said that Barb began many sentences with oh, well or anyway and frequently used ellipses. Additionally, she also used BC for the word because. But a couple times she used B slash, See, because she also used the term hang in there or variations of the phrase phrase. And they also did the same thing with Janelle. She. She would often write and run on sentences, capitalize words that don't require it and would spell said siad all the time for some reason. Yes. Like she would break one word, like words into two words. Outside would be two words with her. Things like that. And she began sentences with and a lot. And she would leave. E's in play. Like leaving would be L, E, a V E I n G. Or coming C O M E I n G. Like we said before.

[Jimmy Whisman]

4.0, huh? All right.

[James Petregallo]

4 point fucking. Oh, wow. That's what she siad anyway. I don't know. They're both found guilty.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Of murder in the first degree and conspiracy.

[Jimmy Whisman]

God damn.

[James Petregallo]

Sentencing comes around, you ladies.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

May fuck off. Now they merge the conspiracy charge with the murder counts and order double life sentences for both of them to be run concurrently, though. Okay, now Janelle wants to appeal, but the trial counsel acknowledged that he filed Janelle's motion for a New trial late. And that because of that, her appellate issues, except sufficiency of evidence and sentencing were waived because he missed the deadline to properly file her appeal, which shouldn't be her. That shouldn't be her fault. She finally does get an appeal. She said it's community bias. The county only has 18,000 people. Everybody's heard of the Facebook murders. Social media become a breeding ground for public opinion. You're never gonna get a fair trial here.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You talked shit about yourself on topics. Shut up.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Also, trial counsel failed to properly investigate CIA agent Chris because he doesn't fucking exist. It's trial strategy, all that. Anyway, she's sent back in. Fuck off. That's affirmed. Now, Barbara is actually gonna get a new trial because one of her attorneys had a conflict of interest when he represented her because he also had represented Buddy and was continuing to represent him during the appeals process. So that's a conflict of interest. Can't do that. So she gets a new trial, but instead of having a new trial, she pleads guilty really intelligently. Two counts of facilitation of first degree murder. Plea deal for you, ma', am, May. Fuck off. 25 years. OK. Barbara's defense attorney said she straight up pled guilty. So she was wanting to accept fault under oath to God. She said, I'm guilty. I'm responsible. It was surreal to hear her say that.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, she's gonna die in there.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, totally. There was rumors, by the way, that also in her trial that there was judicial misconduct because the presiding judge was found to be impaired by drug addiction during the trial.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Whoa.

[James Petregallo]

We'll figure that out. So anyway, there's been some changes in Tennessee law based on this precedent for handling social media evidence in murder cases, guidelines for managing joint family trials, and the need for specialized digital forensics in rural jurisdiction. So this is a lot. Janelle is serving her sentence at the Deborah Johnson Rehabilitation center in Nashville. She still says she's innocent. She's innocent. And she still insists she's not Chris.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. And she's the hottest chick on cell block six.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, you know, it's so hot. That's why they all hate her. That's why they never. They always beat her up in the shower. Jamie has been denied parole several times.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, wow.

[James Petregallo]

As I assume he would be. He was there with a gun, bro. That's. You're going for a while.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Pointed where a woman was.

[James Petregallo]

There's the mother and her baby down there. In 2016, the lead prosecutor, Brooks, published a book on the case entitled Too Pretty to Live. The catfishing murders of East Tennessee.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jesus.

[James Petregallo]

Good Christ. That is a lot. So there you go. Everybody's in jail. That's a fucked up case. How crazy is that case?

[Jimmy Whisman]

What the fuck, dude?

[James Petregallo]

That is so much.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I just don't even know if the CIA is real anymore.

[James Petregallo]

We don't even know if they're real. We got to get through the end very quickly because we're running late. Definitely head over to shut upandgivemerder.com. get your tickets for live shows. We released a few for San Diego out of our hold. So you got those. Might be one or two left in Grand Rapids. Out of our holds. Also Seattle, Philly, dc. Shut up and give me murder dot com. Let's do this. Social media. Instagram at Smalltown Murder. Facebook, small town pod. Do that. Also Patreon. That's the big one. Patreon.com CrimeInSports is where you get all the bonus materials. Anybody $5 a month or above. You get a giant back catalog. Hundreds of episodes you've never heard before. To binge immediately upon subscribing. Then you get new ones every other week. One crime in sports, one Small town murder. And you get it all.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You do.

[James Petregallo]

And in addition to that, you also get ad free. Now you get Small town murder, Crime and sports. Your stupid opinions. Ad free. The bonus material. $5. That's amazing. Yeah, $5 a month. Or you could pay more if you want to.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who treats you better than we do?

[James Petregallo]

Who loves you, kid? Come on. Jimmy sounded like somebody's uncle. And I jump in too. Fuck it. Who treats you better than this? I bring you lollipops. Come on.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Tell your mother.

[James Petregallo]

So patreon.com crime and sports. This week we're gonna have Jeff Alm for Crime and sports. We're gonna do that one. We didn't get to do it last time. Cause Jimmy was way too sick to do anything like that. Then for Small town murder, it's the Poop Cruise, everybody. We weren't gonna do it, but we've been inundated with requests to do the poop Cruise. So we're gonna talk about it. And we'll get into a little bit of the Titan submersible. Since it's all the fucking ocean anyway. So there you go. Patreon.com crimeinsports also, you get a shout out at the end of the show, which is right now. Jenny, hit me with the name. Are the people who would never pose as CIA agents and call us whore bitch, deadpan slut skanks.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Hit me with them now, this executive producer, Gary Howard. Connie Smith. Mowry Vanara. Boone Povilas Basavius. Gina Terrace, Incus. And I guess Inikus. I don't know.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, all of them.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Larry Butterfest. Robert Wiley and his pucker brush. You guys are the best. Thank you guys so much for everything you do. And thanks for all the nice words about my father. It's been a week and you guys are really fucking amazing. So thank you for everything.

[James Petregallo]

You're very nice, Very nice to see.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Supportive, helpful, and I'm doing.

[James Petregallo]

Nice to see you guys supporting my dude here. I like it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Other producers this week. Peyton Meadows, Tiffany Hoare, tia Churchill. John DeLong. Carmel. Carmel. Cooper Fitzmaurice. Happy hour in Midland, Texas. Kara Whitaker, Janice Hill, FP Brandon Case. John Kokaris. Kelly Manti. Pizza sauce. Blair Christensen. Lexi Tomlinson. Alyssa Mellinson. Andrew H. Kristen Leviti. Christina Nicholson. And Kirk.

[James Petregallo]

Jack's kid.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Her wife.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Nicholson. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, Nicholson. Yeah. Nicholson. I thought you said that. Then I was like. Wait, did you say Nicholas? I.

[Jimmy Whisman]

No, it's Nicholson.

[James Petregallo]

Either way, it's Jack.

[Jimmy Whisman]

So it's like Christina, good for you. Jules with no last name. Jennifer Kuzawitzki Stoner. I don't know if she is one or if that's a hyphenated name. Justine Vice Vers. Cam with no last name. Joel Montgomery Stepinski. 3D. Valentina Kano. Ashley would love no last name. Jessica W. Josue. Joe Sue. I feel like I know how to pronounce that. And it's. It's just. I think it's just Sway.

[James Petregallo]

Major League.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I think it's just way two S's. Ue Corrales. Amanda with no last name. Amy Caputo. Ellen with no last name. Cthulhu. Dude. Cthulhu. I don't. I don't know how to say that word. What is it? Cthulhu.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Jimmy Whisman]

You know what it is. You've seen it recently. Cthulu. It's that thing with like the fish beard.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, no fucking idea.

[Jimmy Whisman]

I don't know. It seems to be a. I know it exists. Yeah, but it doesn't really. But yeah, I know the word exists. Yeah. Yeah. Anita Shaveridge. Chaveridge. Shiverage. Shiveriga. Oh, yeah. Garrett Richardson. Brandon Hansey. Hayden, Six. Vicky Soy Sui. Amber I. Chili. Stephanie with no last name. Karen Thoraldson. Unity FC soccer club. Unity Football club. I don't know if that's. I don't know if that's a big football club or if it's like a little one and it's like a club. Soccer. I don't know. But unity. They like us. Amber Ward. See? Yup. Amy Adams. Probably not the actress. It might be. You don't know.

[James Petregallo]

Might be.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Jamie Carter.

[James Petregallo]

Money to burn. She could throw five bucks our way. Come on. Amy Adams. What are you waiting for, you lazy bitch?

[Jimmy Whisman]

June Carter's daughter. Jamie Mary with no last name. Brooke Lang. Mutts. Kid, obviously. Mercedes Lapinek. Lapanic. Barbara Higgins. Clayton Love. Karen Guinness.

[James Petregallo]

I want our listeners to make it so. Their life's goal. To make Amy Adams. Subscribe to our Patreon just for the humor of it every day. I'm sorry.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Write her all kinds of letters. You have to send these people $5.

[James Petregallo]

Because they want just $5. What's the big deal?

[Jimmy Whisman]

Kristen, Amy. Margot with no last name. Lori Andrews. Jarrett. Hayd's Hayes. Dustin with no last name. Not aids. Naomi Windsor. Calder.

[James Petregallo]

Mo.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Kelsey Rogers. Becky with no last name. Morgan with no last name. Carrie with no last name. Morgan Russo. Morgan. Do I know. I know her.

[James Petregallo]

Morgan.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah, she's one of them. Christine How. Roy?

[James Petregallo]

Too close.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Adela Castro. Alicia Williams. Adam Johnson. Marie Tingle. Tracy Bell. Emily Conrado. Livy. Livy. Alexandra Weber. Weber. Perhaps. Robert Gibson. Elizabeth Gatesy. Tanner Hill. Christopher Larson.

[James Petregallo]

Half of the Rock and Roll Express.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yes. Sam Richardson. Olivia Wood. Rebecca Trucci. Sam Weir. Sammy Weir. I know that guy. He. That guy has a sick Corvette, matter of fact.

[James Petregallo]

Well, good for you.

[Jimmy Whisman]

He's an older guy and he likes.

[James Petregallo]

For shooting some of that Corvette money this way. We appreciate it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Thanks, Sammy. Aaron S. Jennifer Klotz. Tate Clawson. Natalie Rebel. Rebel. Perhaps. Lexi with no last name. Luke Bartley. Larissa Kelpin. Jeremy Newman. Cindy L. Chris Larkham. G. G. Spotty. Wow. Jesse. Jesse Dobler. Rebecca Worth. Dylan with a Y. Becks with. Wait, what is this? Beck's the Foley. I don't know what that means. BK Mo. Lester.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, no.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, that's not real. Stephanie O'Reagan. Amy Seguay. Segui. Shanna with no last name. Mallory Rumsek. TJ Alan PETA. Karate.

[James Petregallo]

Karate.

[Jimmy Whisman]

And it's not spelled that way. That's pretty amazing. It's the coolest last name ever. Alexandra Boland. Seth Hawkins. Cassidy with no last name. Nicole Bingham. Anya Smith. Aaron Easter. Rhys Avery. Amanda Postel. K. Sully. Ally Bennett. Heywood Jablomi. Also probably not a real person. Michael with no last name.

[James Petregallo]

Not sure. We'll see.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Don Jacoby. Bazera with no last name. Anna Louisa Abdallah. Ryan Radmer. Got two patrons. Thank you so much.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Who are you? I imagine that's to be sung. There are several ways the who can do one. And also I think, oh, ACDC was who made you? Aaron Reese. Caitlin Doherty. Trista Bass or Bass Elizabeth with no last name. Jared Reddy or Reedy. Melissa. Nicole H. Eugene Duffy. Angela L. El. Cpl Wenslick. What's an lcpl? Is that a nurse of some sort? License?

[James Petregallo]

Sounds like it.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Corporal punishment.

[James Petregallo]

Practical Lentil.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Yeah. Distributor lentils are delicious. Savannah Malloy. Brandon Jones. Dale Tweeten. Tanya Hartwich. Jennifer Childers. Childers. It's probably Childers. Kristen Chan. Jedi's mom. Bill Badass. Oh, like Billy Badass. Got it. Jonathan Ray. Stephanie Chadden. Yeah. Ginger Mills. Alicia iPad Pro. I think that she. She just came from David Adams. Athena got a lot of tits. Olivia Sheridan. Remini Brickett. Remini Brickett. That's not real. Raymond LaRose. Christie McHale. Amanda Newman. Katie Kavanaugh. Joe Johnny Bosco. Johnny Bosco. Oh, okay. Amanda Gone. Sierra Robinson. Ginny Yancey. Maybe Ginny. It's probably Jenny. I don't think. Kathy Sellers. Martinez Average Joe. Harold McCluskey. Claire with no last name. And anybody that patrons this show. You're the best. Thank you.

[James Petregallo]

Yes. And before we go back, just also anybody that was missed in there.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Oh, there's so many more.

[James Petregallo]

We'll get to you. I know that this isn't all of them because we, you know, did a whole new thing with patriots and more people signed up. So you'll get just, you know, in the next couple of weeks. It'll be in there. Don't you worry about that. Absolutely. Thank you so much for doing that, by the way. So thank you so much, everybody. You fantastic, wonderful sons of bitches. We goddamn love you and we appreciate you. Thanks for all that you do for us. Honestly, every day. It means the fucking world to us. It really does. Tell your friends. Keep posting on social media and keep coming back and hanging out with us. You want to find us on social media, drop down [e-mail] will take you where you need to go. Until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure.

[Jimmy Whisman]

Go fuck a bear.

[James Petregallo]

Bye.