My Imaginary Murder Friend - Riceboro, Georgia

Summary

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Small Town Murder — “My Imaginary Murder Friend – Riceboro, Georgia”

Hosts: James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman
Episode Date: October 16, 2025

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Overview

In this riveting episode, James and Jimmie unravel the jaw-dropping, labyrinthine murder case of Nicholas Kasotis—a legal prodigy, Navy JAG officer, and world-class fabulist—whose life devolved into paranoia, delusion, and murder. Set in the sleepy town of Riceboro, Georgia, the episode follows the bizarre saga of espionage-level secrets, a fabricated FBI agent, a fake pregnancy, endless moves, and ultimately, the gruesome dismemberment and disposal of Kasotis’s wife, Mindy. All told with the hosts’ trademark blend of deep research, true-crime horror, and biting, absurdist humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Timeline

1. Riceboro, Georgia — The Setting

• [07:12–20:31]
  • Classic "Small Town Murder" breakdown: location, history, stats, real estate prices, and the annual Rice Fest (with hilarious flyer critiques and deep dives into the world-famous “Swanee Quintet”).
  • Memorable quote:
    • Jimmy (on the demography): "Jeff Probst needs to be the mayor of this town." (11:02)

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2. Meet Nicholas Kasotis: Overachiever & Navy JAG

• [21:39–34:45]
  • Childhood in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire, academic stardom—Boston University, Northeastern Law, Georgetown, and a military career as a JAG officer.
  • Prosecution and defense attorney within the military, extensive service including time in Iraq and Italy.
  • Notable quote:
    • James (on military TV): "You put a TV show on, anyone over 70…they love it." (24:51)

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3. Personal Life & Marriages

• [36:07–41:54]
  • Marriage to Heather—a childless, eventually acrimonious union ending in a $1.5 million divorce settlement.
  • Nicholas’s claims of “millions,” but none to give; financial misrepresentation and mounting pressure.
  • Enter Mindy: bright, earnest, from a tight-knit and religious North Carolina family.

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4. "The Threats Begin": Cultivating Paranoia and Going on the Run

• [49:47–78:18]
  • Amidst financial pressure and (dubious) Washington Post attention, Nicholas spins a tale: his family targeted by foreign hackers due to his government credentials.
  • Vandalism, drained accounts, anonymous threats, and most of all, a mysterious FBI agent—Jim McIntyre—allegedly comes to the rescue.
  • Key moments:
    • Mindy is manipulated into total seclusion—leaving the house only rarely, speaking only via Signal.
    • Jim McIntyre coordinates their constant, abrupt moves ("50 to 100 times" over several years) and controls all their money, mail, and communications.
    • Cameron Nelson, a Navy friend, unwittingly foots their bills—$200K in credit card debt.
  • James’ deadpan:
    • "Jim, in addition to being an FBI agent and a super sleuth, he’s also a financial advisor." (76:58)
  • Jimmie's skepticism:
    • "Where the fuck is all this money coming from?" (79:17)

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5. Fraudulent Finances, Phantom Pregnancies, and Family Fallout

• [83:25–91:45]
  • Nicholas never pays Heather, is sued again, begins a new relationship online with horror author Samantha Kolsnick—who he claims, falsely, to be a widower.
  • Mindy starts claiming pregnancy (when not hiding from unseen assassins). Her family doubts the couple but also falls into the web.
  • Frequent lies—different stories to different friends about Mindy’s supposed miscarriage, health, and eventual fate.

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6. The Gruesome Crime

• [99:40–130:14]
  • Thanksgiving 2022: Mindy, allegedly pregnant, is said to leave for a birthing center. Nicholas never sees her again—claims she died suddenly; he signs mysterious paperwork at a vaguely located clinic, never sees her body, receives ashes in a bag for $5,000 on the side of an Alabama road.
  • Discovery: In early December, hunters stumble across a dismembered body (torso only) in Riceboro’s woods—arms attached, head and legs gone, surrounded by a cleaning supply blitz.
  • Police investigation:
    • Forensics show dismemberment by power tools; no evidence of pregnancy; DNA eventually ties remains to Mindy via her mother.
    • Surveillance, car telemetry, and receipts place Nicholas at the disposal site, buying a “deer processing kit,” knife, and supplies in the days of Mindy’s death.
    • He meanwhile claims to police the continuing saga of Jim McIntyre, shadowy “red-headed men,” and cover stories for every piece of damning evidence.
  • Quote (on fake FBI agent):
    • James: "He’s a big brown elephant with a long trunk… His name is Snuffleupagus. And I swear he’s real. That’s what he just said." (142:01)

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7. The Unraveling: Arrest and Interrogation

• [132:45–143:56]
  • Nick is arrested in Pennsylvania in May 2023, soon after marrying Samantha Kolsnick as “Nicholas Stark”—he waives his rights and gives two long, fantastical interviews to detectives.
  • He sticks to his delusions: Jim McIntyre, the FBI orchestrating moves; trusts destroyed in a car fire; unknown medical clinics; a wife’s “stroke” death and secret cremation.
  • Police methodically destroy his claims with simple questions: “What’s the doctor’s name?”—he has none. “Where’s the death certificate?” “Burned in the car fire.” “Why’d you buy the knife?” “To fix a screen.”
  • Memorable exchange:
    • (On being asked about car GPS data)
      James: "[He] didn't realize his Ford Explorer's Bluetooth is still on... Your phone can be off all you want." (129:10)
      Jimmie: "You're a cybersecurity lawyer and didn't know about Bluetooth?" (139:00)

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8. Trial

• [158:05–181:48]
  • The Prosecution’s Case:
    • Nicholas, savvy to forensics, cleans up but leaves blood traces matching Mindy’s DNA.
    • No evidence Mindy was ever pregnant, let alone had prenatal care; no baby; no documentation.
    • He lied to everyone, with every part of his convoluted lie disproven.
    • Engaged and remarried quickly after Mindy’s death; bought condoms and Old Spice days after.
  • The Defense:
    • Claims Jim McIntyre is real, that Nicholas was a “man living in relentless, all-consuming fear.”
    • Presents years of documented “paranoia”—but no evidence McIntyre or his threats ever existed.
  • Nick testifies:
    • Tells his story, complete with red-headed men, cremated remains exchanged for cash on the highway, bags of ashes, screen-fixing knives, etc. The gallery frequently laughs at the absurdity.
  • Key quote:
    • James: "He took the stand. He swore it was Jim McIntyre orchestrating everything... Several times during the trial he says such crazy lies that everyone laughs. Not gasps, laughs out loud, like it's unbelievable." (166:19)

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9. The Verdict and Aftermath

• [179:33–181:19]
  • Jury deliberates for 72 minutes.
  • Nicholas is convicted on all 12 counts: malice and felony murder, aggravated assault, tampering with evidence, and more.
  • During victim impact statements, Mindy’s family scorches him for isolating and destroying her; Samantha (the “third wife”) describes his lies as “rape by deception.”
  • Both of Nicholas’s parents continue to profess his innocence—his father’s paternity (once denied by Nick) is scientifically confirmed.
  • The judge:
    • “[You] created a web of lies that you got yourself tangled in. You wrote fiction, and your life became fiction. But Mindy’s death was real… You, sir, may fuck off.” (182:08)
  • Sentence: Life without parole + 25 years consecutive for tampering and dismemberment.

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Notable Quotes and Moments (with Timestamps):

• On Riceboro’s Demographics
  • “Median age here is 52.3, which is 15 years older than the national average… It’s an old town.” (11:02)
• Introducing the Chimerical Jim McIntyre
  • “Mind you, this FBI agent… is also a financial advisor.” (76:58)
  • “He’s a big brown elephant with a long trunk. His name is Snuffleupagus. And I swear he’s real.” (142:01)
• On Nicholas’s Arrogance
  • “He’s a guy who thinks he is smart and these people are dumb and he can talk his way out of anything…” (136:18)
  • “You’re a cybersecurity lawyer and didn’t know about Bluetooth?” (139:00)
• Cleanup Excuses
  • “We wanted to leave it [the Airbnb] in the best condition possible. My rating has to be good.” (151:18)
• On the Absurd Lies
  • “He took the stand… Several times during the trial he says such a crazy lie that everyone laughs. Not gasps, laughs out loud…” (166:19)
• The Judge’s Final Words
  • “You, sir, may fuck off.” (182:08)

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Segment Highlights & Timestamps

| Topic/Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Small Town Intro / Riceboro Rundown | 07:12–20:31 | | Nicholas Kasotis’s Background | 21:39–34:45 | | Marriages & Heather Divorce | 36:07–41:54 | | Mindy’s Background & Marriage | 41:54–49:47 | | The “Threats”, Jim McIntyre & On the Run | 49:47–78:18 | | Money, Fraud, and Family Unraveling | 83:25–91:45 | | Fake Pregnancy, Mindy’s “Death” | 93:07–113:52 | | The Murder & Discovery of Dismembered Body | 116:15–130:14 | | Investigation & Interrogation | 130:14–143:56 | | Trial—Prosecution, Defense, Testimony | 158:05–181:48 | | Verdict, Sentencing, & Aftermath | 179:33–end |

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Final Thoughts

James and Jimmie take listeners on a wild, winding ride through one of the most convoluted, chilling, and darkly hilarious cases they’ve ever covered. The tale exposes the dangers of unchecked narcissism, the terror of psychological isolation, and the absurd lengths some will go to avoid facing reality. All filtered through a lens equal parts skeptical, sympathetic, and scathingly funny.

Summary Judgment:
Nicholas Kasotis, JAG officer turned self-styled secret agent victim, murdered his wife, attempted to erase her existence, and nearly convinced everyone around him—including himself—that none of it was real. Except, tragically, it was.

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For more: Watch the full Riceboro trial on YouTube for the complete, riveting courtroom unraveling.

Transcript

[James Petregallo]

Hey everybody. Just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you about a new series on Prime Video coming out right now on October 22nd.

[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. Best selling mystery writer Harlan Coban returns to television with a twisted tale of lies, murder and long buried family secrets. Harlan Coben's written 37 novels and they're all this, you know, when you get to the last page, it happens type of thing and it's really cool. He's a great author and you really want see this. Harlan Coban's Lazarus stars Sam Claflin and Bill Nye. He's the older actor. You've seen him in a ton of stuff. He's really Great actor. Premieres October 22nd only on Prime Video. It looks like a real tons of death and killings and mayhem and all sorts of stuff going on. You want some blood? This is the place to get it. Harlan Coben's Lazarus. Lazarus. You should definitely check this out. It looks really cool, looks really exciting, and it looks like something that you're going to have to watch till the end. Can't wait. Don't miss Harlan Coben's Lazarus. Streaming October 22, only on Prime Video.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Now back to the show.

[James Petregallo]

Morning, Zoe.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Got donuts. Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage? Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you. Teach me. So, Dana.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Yay.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petregallo. I'm here with my co host.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm Jimmy Wissman.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another exciting, crazy, absolutely twisted, weird. This is a crazy story episode of Small Town Murder. I know every week is the same, they're all crazy. But this is. Wow. This is twisted. And this is a trial that I watched from start to finish. So I'm very excited to talk about this case. We'll get to all that, add more. First of all, head over to shut up and givememurder.com oh, yeah. Get all your merchandise. Get tickets to live shows. That's the important thing. This Saturday, this is October 18th. We're at the Moore in Seattle.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, shit.

[James Petregallo]

Think there's a few tickets left. So get in there and get them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There are very few.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, they put out a low ticket alert, so apparently there's none. Portland sold out the night before. And then if you can't get out to that one, definitely get tickets for the virtual live show. We're so excited for this. The day before Halloween. It is Thursday 30th October, just like a regular live show. All the pictures, jokes, we're gonna be wearing costumes. Cause why not make ourselves look like idiots. All of that humility. It's just like a regular live show, except you can watch it from anywhere in the world without leaving your house. Just all you need. So do that. And it's available for two weeks after that too. So you can buy it a little later. You can buy it before. You can watch it 20 times. Do whatever you want with it. That's shutupandgivemerder.com you also should be listening to our other two shows, Crime and Sports, which we're doing a long series on. Billy Martin right now, right? You want to hear about a little guy who gets drunk and punch people in the face all the time? This is the guy to talk about. And of course, your stupid opinions where we scour the Internet and find the dumbest and most annoying reviews to make fun of, of everything that you can imagine. Then you should get yourself some Patreon. Patreon. Oh, you should. Patreon.com CrimeInSports Just like the name of that show, you should be listening to anybody $5 a month or above. You are going to get everything that we put out. You're going to get hundreds of back episodes you've never heard before immediately upon subscription. Then you get two new ones every other week. One crime and sports, one Small Town Murder, and you get it all. This week, you get it all. For Small Town Murder, we'll be doing an Internet salad where we talk about everything that's going on in the world except politics. We will avoid that. We'll make it a just. We'll pretend that the world is just easygoing and fun and we're going to.

[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

We're going to have to go to like page four of Google News to find this type of thing. So check that out. And in addition to getting all of those episodes, you also get everything that we put out in the regular feeds. Crime and sports, small town murder, your stupid opinions. God, I couldn't even get that. Your stupid opinions. Hard to say. It is. That is my stupid opinion. You get all of those ad free as well. What?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Ad free?

[James Petregallo]

That's right, God damn it. You get everything ad free. And on top of that, you get a shout out at the end of the show as well, where Jimmy will mispronounce your name terribly while trying his best to get it right. So there you go. That said, it's disclaimer time. This is a comedy show.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It is that.

[James Petregallo]

We're people are gonna die. Jokes are gonna happen. The thing is here we do it tastefully. That's the thing. We never make fun of the victims or the victims families.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Why is that, James?

[James Petregallo]

Because we're assholes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But.

[James Petregallo]

But we're not scumbags. See how that works? It's real easy to do. There's plenty to make fun of. We make fun of. You know, we'll make fun of a small town because we're all from some small town to make fun of. Who cares? We make fun of a bumbling police force sometimes who lets a murderer go free to murder more. We make fun of murderers because why not? They deserve it and we have no other recourse with them. That's how it works there. But if you think true crime and comedy should never ever go together, I don't know. We might not be for you, but maybe we are. You should check it out and listen because we might be for you. Either way, I think it's time to sit back, everybody. Let's all clear the lungs here and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's go on a trip, everybody. Let's do this. We are going down to Georgia this week. We're going to Riceboro. Yeah, Rice. B O R O. Riceboro. Oh, Riceboro, Georgia.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No, you know, G. No, no, none of that.

[James Petregallo]

It started like that. We'll get to it. This is down in southeastern Georgia. This is where Rice.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Down there.

[James Petregallo]

Right in this area. Yeah, they did for. For a while here. This is about 45 minutes to Savannah, Georgia. About an hour and a half to Jacksonville, if you want to go south. And then about five and a half hours to our last Georgia episode, which was Somerville, Georgia. That was episode 599, Madness of a Murderous Maniac.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He was mad.

[James Petregallo]

I'll give myself credit for that title. That's good alliteration right there. This is in Liberty county. Area code 912. The motto here is deep roots, strong people, lasting pride. Yeah, that's their motto. History of this town. The community was named for the rice industry that was here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Because in the beginning, they grew rice here. This is kind of. It's kind of near the water, though, so it's. You know, as it grew, it changed a lot. Swampy. Exactly. Riceboro was the second county seat of Liberty County. Had that for about 40 years, from the late 1700s to about 1835. So then they switched it somewhere, somewhere else. They first incorporated the village of Riceboro with the ugh on it, and then they got rid of that at some point here. Reviews of this town. Because we've never been here. We don't know anything about it. Let's find out what other people think. Here's five stars. Riceboro is a very small town, but it's a growing community.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's getting bigger.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. It's a beautiful town. Really. Seriously. Swear. Swear it. And everyone is one big family. Wow. I hope that's a euphemism. I hope they don't mean literally. You know what I mean? You never know. Sometimes we have festivals and so many activities. It's really a. I love the last sentence. It's really a great small town.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm selling this as hard as I can.

[James Petregallo]

And there's only two reviews, and they're both five stars. So that's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, so that's it. Really. It might be great.

[James Petregallo]

Here's five stars again. Hello. Hello. My name is Crystal West. Hi, Crystal.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nice to meet you.

[James Petregallo]

Welcome aboard. Welcome to the show. I am from a very small, rural town called Riceboro, Georgia. My town has a lot of history and great, loving people. We love to show our visitors Southern hospitality. My town is more of A senior and retirement area. Not much of a nightlife, but if you drive to Hinesville, Georgia, town about 15 minutes away, it offers more nightlife. Everyone knows about the famous nightclubs of Hinesville, Georgia. That's illustrious. Yeah, we know that whenever you see, like an NBA finals game, you see the guys running off the court. That's to catch the last flight to Hinesville so they can go party that night. You know, there's nobody else anywhere. We're located about 30 minutes from Savannah, Georgia. I would recommend you visit my area and try some of the best seafood at our local restaurant, Captain Joe's. Oh, let's all go to Captain Joe's, everybody. Cat and Joe knock off.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Long John Silver's knock off.

[James Petregallo]

Captain Ron's, knock off.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Captain D's.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, we look forward to seeing you soon. And then again, Crystal west at the end, she wants you to know, Crystal put this in there twice. People in this town, 977. So it's a small town that is nobody. Men and women. It's 54% women. So, fellas, that's the place to go. It's mainly because it's a retirement crowd and women live longer than men, so that's they've just outlasted their husbands. Median age here is 52.3, which is 15 years older than the national average. That is. It's an old town.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Jeff Probst needs to be the mayor of this town.

[James Petregallo]

He's a survivor. That's exactly what it is. See who can make it to Jacksonville. Family here, 49.2% married and 12% are single with children. So those are about average. A lot of average stats. Race in this town, 7.5% white, 87.6% black, 0% Hispanic, 3.5% Hawaiian, Pacific Islander.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This town is enigma, a community of.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it's interesting. And the weird part is everyone involved in our story is white too, which is strange, wild. It's crazy. 27% of the people here are religious. It's usually 50, 50, but still, even at 27%, the highest one is Baptist because as we know, the Baptists are the Catholics of the South. As we know, there's a lot of Catholics up north, a lot of Baptists down south. There's low unemployment here. It's like half the national average. So people are hustling. Median household income here, though, is rough. It is $40,911 a year. My word, almost 30,000 below the national average. It's not good cost of living in this town. Here we have throughout the rest of the United States, 100 is regular average here it's 79. So not that bad.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Very affordable.

[James Petregallo]

The lowest thing is housing. Housing is ultra cheap. The median home cost here is $119,500.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Median.

[James Petregallo]

Median home cost, median. Wow. That is.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That is fascinating.

[James Petregallo]

That is bonkers. And the weird part is though the house is for sale, none of them are that low, but all the. The home values are low. So it's very strange.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Would you pay for your first house.

[James Petregallo]

Where ever, ever that you owned? Oh, God, 2000.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Your very first house, remember?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. It was 210,000.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

We couldn't afford it at all.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No, I paid 119.

[James Petregallo]

We lost that house. So that doesn't matter. That was years ago. Okay. That's how that goes. So if you, like us are looking for a new house, we have for you the Riceboro, Georgia real estate report. Okay. Your average two bedroom rental here. We laughed all the way through the theme song. Jimmy was losing air quick there through the theme song. Two bedroom rental average here goes for $910, which is well below the National.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's great. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Not bad. First house here is certainly a trailer. Definitely. That is definitely not attached to the ground.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's.

[James Petregallo]

It's not bad though.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I do love the. Try to make it a home with the peak. That's nice.

[James Petregallo]

And the front porch too.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And the stairs going down.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Bolt that on as soon as it pops.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. But they're a nicer front step than most. It's not like that. Three steep steps. It's like a nice grade going up there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Three steep steps apart.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. This is on 0.89 acres, so a little bit of land. And it's a four bedroom, two bath, 2320 square foot. It's not bad to the kitchen, as you know, granite countertops and nice stuff. I mean, it's been redone. New wood floors and that kind of thing. So it's not bad on the inside. That's a big house to 2,300 square feet. $210,000 for that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Once again, like every real estate listing we've done recently. Recent price cut on that one.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And another recent price cut here we have House number two is a four bedroom, three bath, 2695 square foot house. It's on nine acres. It looks like. Look at it here. It's a nice house. Right. With the pillars in the front and the windows.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I love those top windows. That's probably not a livable attic, but it looks awesome.

[James Petregallo]

That's Cool. Well, it's the second floor, so it's probably bedroom windows.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is it? Okay, so it is houses.

[James Petregallo]

It's not bad. Nine acres too. It's pretty good. It's just had a $500 price cut, which.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, really? On sale now.

[James Petregallo]

It's going to move. $749,000.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That $500 was the sticking point.

[James Petregallo]

I'm sure they had a few people under contract that backed out and they're like, 749 I could do, but 749. 5. I feel like I'm stretching. I just do. I feel like we're going to lose it. Like James going to take it back and then. Oh, by the way. Yes. 749. Okay. The next one is a 17 beds, 23 bath.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's an old hotel.

[James Petregallo]

2,099 acres.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

And look at like the land, too. There's like boats and street.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You could have a fan boat.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Look at this. Look at that. It's on like this an island with. It's a resort type place.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Unbelievable.

[James Petregallo]

With an organic farm on it and everything else. Oh, $52,500,000. Yeah. I go fucking. And no price cut on that one. 52.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nobody's buying that, right?

[James Petregallo]

I would love it if they cut 500 off of that one. $52,499,500. I would love it if.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Who the fuck would want that?

[James Petregallo]

52. No idea.

[Jimmy Wissman]

$52 million. To live in Louisiana?

[James Petregallo]

No. Georgia.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Where is this? Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Georgia. Georgia. Yeah. To live. Wow. I mean, it's beautiful. It's gorgeous.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But is that.

[James Petregallo]

I mean, if that's what you're into. But looking at that resort and a farm.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. There. There's bugs and animals that will eat you in your sleep. I'm not living there.

[James Petregallo]

You have to have a serious business model. This isn't for like, you and your kids are gonna move in.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's not a weekend getaway.

[James Petregallo]

It's like you get an investment group together and do a whole thing. Things to do here in this town.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Here we go.

[James Petregallo]

Rice Fest 2025.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right. Sure.

[James Petregallo]

It is happening soon, too. November 7th through the 9th.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So I do love rice, though.

[James Petregallo]

I love rice. Rice is great.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I eat it three, four days a week.

[James Petregallo]

I love it. Rice is great. I love all kinds of rice, too. That's the other thing. Whatever you got for me, I'll eat it. I don't care. I love it. This celebrates the Gullah Geechee culture and the vast history of coastal Georgia. The event in the last three years attracted over 3500 people every year and continues to grow. Some events here. There's all these posters, as you can see, all the posters, and it's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Homecoming dance.

[James Petregallo]

Fuck, yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What is that?

[James Petregallo]

Oh, the black guy with the cowboy hat with the red on the.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No, that whole flyer looks like a no limit soldiers album cover.

[James Petregallo]

I was just gonna say it looks like a master P or Silk. The Shocker album.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That is crazy.

[James Petregallo]

That's the next thing. The way they put it together, it is interesting. The black guy with the. It looks like Patrice o'. Neill. If you put a cowboy hat. A black cowboy hat with red under the brim, like a Louboutin. It's a Louboutin cowboy hat. They have the Rice Fest. Yeah, that's what they're making now. The Rice Fest homecoming dance performance by the special Formula Band.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And hosted by Sauce was taken.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yeah. Stephanie Batiste. $40 includes a meal as well.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay, that's not bad.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus. Yeah. Catering done by the real Brownstone experience. And there we go. There's also gospel star Dottie Peoples.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. That's gonna be hosted by Shannon Lecount. And then the famous Swanee quintet will be performing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So famous.

[James Petregallo]

So famous. Oh, my God. There'll be an inspirational prayer of unity. Local artists as well, a choir, Miasha Hall, Terry Curry. The anointed wings of faith will be there. Dottie Peoples. Okay. And then also the last day, they have Mike Clark Jr. That is Louboutin Stetson guy. Along with DJ Ricky Nails. And a special performance by the special Formula band. Who has more people on stage than a 1993 Arrested Development concert.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're making no money.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's. That is a lot of people. There's literally 20 people in this picture. I don't know how you make a dime.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How do you make a dime?

[James Petregallo]

It's like a big band. Like. Yeah. I don't know where Benny Goodman is leading these people. It's fucking crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Dave Matthews.

[James Petregallo]

Jesus Christ. Hosted by Stephanie Batiste again. Oh, she's hosting all weekend.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, she's busy.

[James Petregallo]

She's a busy gal all weekend here. So. Yeah, this is. There's Also a Sarah McRiver Rice Fest cook off. Who makes the best rice?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sara Mc River Rice vest. Cook off.

[James Petregallo]

Let's do it. And also a who can boil water.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The best.

[James Petregallo]

Who can do it? Oh, it's been 20 minutes. Take it off. Yeah, I guess just put it in a rice maker. Even better.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. The rice pot has ruined everything.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, it's so easy. Fuck. Damn it. There's also a Corvette car show as well. Maybe I'll drive on down there with my head on down Head on down to Riceboro.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'll bet this is actually fun.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, I'm sure it is. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, I'm sure. They probably have good food and it's only 40 bucks. That's awesome. What festival have we done that? Was that affordable, where you get food and a show?

[James Petregallo]

You get food and a dance.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Never.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's always $200.

[James Petregallo]

Shawnee, Stephanie Batiste, or whatever it is. Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in here, property crime is slightly above the national average. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is just under the national average. So pretty average. We'll say average crime here. That said, let's talk about a murder. Let's do this. Like I said, I watched the whole trial, riveted and fascinated by this. This is one of the craziest cases ever. And when it goes to court, it's even crazier. It's insanity. When a murder suspect has a story that sounds crazy, but, like, it's the story that the defense attorney's pitching in opening arguments and saying evidence or whatever, and then in closing arguments, that's one thing. But when the accused gets on the stand and repeats this crazy story, that's when gold happens. That's when, like, that's when. That's the. That's the sweet spot of a trial right there, man.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How dare you say this shit.

[James Petregallo]

Unbelievable. So let's talk about some people here. Let's introduce, first of all, Nicholas James Kasotis. K A S S O T I S Kasotis. He is born around 1982. Here he grew up. Born in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania. That's where he's from. He grew up. His mom's name is Linda. His father's name is Wayne, if it's really his father, as we'll find out later. Awesome. You never know. This is nothing. Nothing can be taken at face value in this story.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Everything has a smoke and mirrors and lies and. Great.

[James Petregallo]

Mainly if you put smoke and mirrors on top of a bed of quicksand. That's what the story is. It's fucking insane. Okay? He was raised in Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire, which is a very small town. Population under 3,000. Little tiny place. I don't know exactly where it is. I don't remember. I just know it's under 3,000 population here now. He's a smart guy, Nick. Real smart guy. He goes to college looking to be a lawyer. He is going to earn two law degrees, including one from Northeastern University. He went to Boston University. He got his ba, which is a good school. He went to Northeast.

[Jimmy Wissman]

BA from bu. Get out of here.

[James Petregallo]

BA from bu. He went to Northeastern Law School and then went to Georgetown, which is okay. He's a very smart guy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, he's been to a lot of colleges for the right reason.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. Georgetown. He got his LLM in national security slash cybersecurity. So he's got. I have no idea. This is how. We're very dumb and neither of us have gone to college.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I've never heard of an LLM.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. I know what a ba. I know a.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You know, I know what an MLM is.

[James Petregallo]

Mba. I know that. I know what an LLC is. Other than that, I'm clueless.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's all I got. Too many acronyms.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. So law and national and cybersecurity are his specialties. So I would assume law, that has to do with national security is going to be his main deal. And that is exactly the path he takes as he is a commissioned Navy officer in June of 2006. So he goes through all that school, and then he goes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Goes to the Navy.

[James Petregallo]

To the Navy. He served as a JAG in the Navy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, a lawyer. I know that because of the TV show.

[James Petregallo]

I was just gonna say you might recognize that from the show that was on for, like, 40 years. Is it still on called Jag? I don't even know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Probably.

[James Petregallo]

I have no idea. But it was a show where called jag. I've never seen an episode. I don't know who's in it, but I know it was a show about Navy lawyers, that's all. And I assume they solved crimes or something. That's all I can imagine.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, I never watched it. I got to assume that old people made that show stick around.

[James Petregallo]

As long as I think that was for an older crowd. I'm sure some younger people watched it, but I think it had. Mainly it had an older audience. It was like ncis.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Petregallo]

It's so weird. Any, like, military policing thing. You put a TV show on, anyone over 70, will they really flock to it?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Love it.

[James Petregallo]

They love it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Canceled in 2005.

[James Petregallo]

There you go. It was on for a few years, at least.

[Jimmy Wissman]

10 years.

[James Petregallo]

There you go. That's a long time. 10 seasons. I know. I remember hearing it Got canceled after its first season and then someone else picked it up. It's one of those shows.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The fucking audience freaked out.

[James Petregallo]

They were like, no way, man. Bring it back.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What am I going to watch with my bread pudding?

[James Petregallo]

So he worked as a prosecuting attorney and the role involved doing court martials and. Courts martial. I guess it's technically advising on. Yeah, advising on military law and conducting investigations. So by 2008, he's a defense lawyer for Naval personnel in Norfolk, which now a jag, by the way, if you don't know, are military lawyers who provide legal services to the Navy and Marine Corps, handling a wide range of duties such as prosecuting or defending cases in courts martial military trials, advising on military law and regulations, conducting investigations and offering counsel on operational matters like rules of engagement or international law. Are we breaking, you know, Geneva Convention shit here or whatever?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is that an acronym or is it just.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, jag. What is it? Judges Legal. Yeah, Judge Advocate Generals. That's what they are. Jags. Judge Advocate General.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is that where JAG off comes from?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, fucking JAG Off. Think that's from lazy people who don't like to use hard consonants or just.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Say the word jack off in public.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, well, it's so much easier to roll the G into off than it is the K, the ck. So his commander said. Called him, quote, an exceptional officer, detail oriented to the point of obsession. Never missed anything.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Real good at it.

[James Petregallo]

Which is what you want in a lawyer, I would think.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Fuck.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Yeah. He gets married in 2009.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Good for him.

[James Petregallo]

To a woman named Heather. Now, Heather has a medical condition that makes conception hard, very difficult for them. They want to have kids and they try to have kids. They undergo like, they try to have kids at first and they find out she has some kind of problem. They underwent a bunch of testing, but she chose not to pursue fertility treatments. So they ended up having no kids. She didn't want to do the fertility treatments.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, no.

[James Petregallo]

So he continues in the Navy. He completes two tours in Iraq.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nice.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Got decorations we'll talk about later then. He's going to serve in Italy for a few years.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, because we have bases there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We have big operations happening there.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, we got. Well, we've had since World War II. I mean, once we kicked the Germans out, we were like, we're never leaving. What, are you kidding me?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Also get us that dececo. It's awesome.

[James Petregallo]

And the Italians are happy because they were. They were thrilled that kicked the Germans out. Yeah. So anyway, he serves for several years there As a prosecutor before then providing legal counsel to senior officers at the Pentagon. So he's got. So he's doing some high level shit here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, no kidding.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Now back to the show.

[James Petregallo]

Then he was prosecuting people in Sicily after that and he goes back to Sicily and is prosecuting people. He said, quote, mainly sexual assaults. You know those, you know those Italians always, always groping it. You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Why is he the prosecutor?

[James Petregallo]

I don't know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're like, listen, an Italian citizen, can he do that?

[James Petregallo]

You go ahead and prosecute these pervert Italians. No, I think it's the off the naval people that are doing this. It's not.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, I'm told there's a lot of those.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. He said that's the most common crime at court martial level is sexual assault. Yeah, well, think about it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We gotta fix that.

[James Petregallo]

It's a. But yeah, absolutely. It's a. God damn, it's like camp for 18 year olds when it comes to that. Like so many people and older sometimes too fuck ups.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So he Earns decorations here. He does his two tours in Iraq. He is a lieutenant commander. He rises too. I think so. It sounds good. Sounds impressive. If I told you I was a lieutenant commander, he'd go, wow, holy shit. How'd you do that?

[Jimmy Wissman]

You're a commander of anything.

[James Petregallo]

I'm impressed. Not bad. Even Cobra Commander, it's pretty impressive. It's not bad. Yeah, whatever. He earns a Meritorious Service Medal, a Joint Service Commendation Medal, a Navy Marine Corps Commendation Medal. He got two of those. And a Navy Marine Corps Achievement Medal. He got two of those. Him and Heather here as he gets back into civilian life around 2015ish. Here they have a nice house that they bought together. I'll show it to you right here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Let's have a look. See, that is a nice house.

[James Petregallo]

Pretty brick house right there. It's very nice.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Lower level. That's classy.

[James Petregallo]

Not bad. It's a four bedroom, three bath, 2023 square foot house on point. So roomy, leafy looks very nice. Trees around you. It's at 3805 Adrian Drive in Alexandria, Virginia.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Very nice.

[James Petregallo]

So that's where he's going to be. That's in 2015. He's at the Pentagon. So he lives in Alexandria in Virginia. He's at the International and Operational Law Division. You know, our old job, how he.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Did all this, this is impressive. Where did he come from? Fucking New Hampshire?

[James Petregallo]

Well, yeah, Chambersburg, Pennsylvania first, then small town in New Hampshire. So yeah, he's making good. You know, he was managing agreements made with navies worldwide. So like international agreements of where. Yeah, where your water ends and where ours begins and fishing rights and all that shit's all mixed in.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They won't fuck with those people, they won't fuck with you.

[James Petregallo]

That kind of thing. All of that stuff is mixed in. He's also working on cybersecurity. He's doing great, really doing great. He ends up getting out of the military after I believe almost 10 years about.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's an officer?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. He works briefly as a civilian for the Navy and then he says that he got a job with a company called APIs Ltd. APIs, which is a software company. That's very mysterious, nebulous.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So I don't know what they do.

[James Petregallo]

But a guy like him, when he tells people that they're just like, oh well, yeah, you're like a national security guy. So I'm sure it's some top level shit that we can't know about. Some secret shit, you know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Probably Also another fucking acronym.

[James Petregallo]

And another acronym. Yeah. Well, no, actually, APIs. We'll find out what it means later when he tells us later. It's funny. Okay, so he gets divorced here from Heather. I guess, according to him, it was due to the fact that they didn't have any children and there was utility issues, and he claimed she didn't want to really work on it. So he said he wants to have a family, and that's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, he wants the kids.

[James Petregallo]

That's why. Yeah, he's saying he wants the kids, and she's. He's saying she's unwilling to do anything. He also said she's been having an affair for a long time now. Later on, she will testify under oath that she never had an affair. So really, we don't know how. How true it is. Either way, this is just. Maybe some sour grapes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, sour grapes.

[James Petregallo]

You could just pissy tangerines, whatever you want to call them. I don't know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There's paranoia in general, Just.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Thinking that she's doing something that she's not. Maybe.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, maybe he's a suspicious guy. He's a prosecutor. You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Maybe he's his job. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Awfully suspicious. So they have a divorce settlement. Now, during these court hearings and divorce hearings, he says that he has millions of dollars. We'll find out exactly how many. And they agree to a divorce settlement that requires him to pay Heather $1.5 million at the lump sum. I don't know if it's lump sum, but it's 1.5 he owes her. Now he gets to keep the house that we talked about there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's not a $1.5 million house.

[James Petregallo]

No. Right now it's worth about 750,000. It's about half of that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

So, I mean, if you think. If you factor back then, it wasn't that much. It wasn't worth that much, but still, years. They got divorced 2016, so it wasn't worth that much. But still, you know, you figure if it was half a million, then. Yeah, that's. So, you know, it's really a million.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He'S given her and a millionaire.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, that's kind of how it works. He kind of bought the house. And for way overpriced. Yeah, a little bit. Now, the problem is he doesn't really have $1.5 million, even though he said he has tens of millions of dollars.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Why would he do that?

[James Petregallo]

This is interesting. So the Navy starts asking questions about his finances, because basically, if you're in the Military, you're, like, under their thumb. And if you do. If you do anything nefarious, they look into you. So, like, even if you're not paying off your wife or something, the Navy will, like, investigate you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. You represent us. And if you look like a piece of shit, then we all look like pieces of shit.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So they start asking some questions. Now, I don't know if this is true or not, but he claims that the day after the divorce is final, Heather got remarried. Oh.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Then he says he had to pay her a lump sum.

[James Petregallo]

He says that she was. The agreement has nothing to do with her remarrying. Is he owes her $1.5 million. She could have seven husbands. She could be Liz Taylor. It doesn't matter.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It has nothing. Five million alimony.

[James Petregallo]

Okay, that's not alimony.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's a separate.

[James Petregallo]

It's a settlement. So it's a different thing. It's like a division of assets type of deal. So he claims that he met. She married her affair participant. So we don't know, though. Now, three weeks after the divorce, Nick meets another lady. He meets Mindy with an I. Mindy Ruth Mabane. M E B A N E. She's born same time as him, about 82. They're same age. Now they meet on OkCupid.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Which, by the way, sounds like you're trying to, like, get Cupid to shut up. Okay, okay. Cupid. Okay, Cupid. You know, it's like a very.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You're just like, fine. Yeah, it literally is. Come over here. Settle.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Okay. Cupid. I'll just go out with that one. Fine.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'll lower my standards and they'll lower theirs. Fine.

[James Petregallo]

Fine. We're all gonna go down a couple of notches. But maybe not. Maybe you find great people on there. I've never been on there. I have no idea. It just sounds. Yeah. Just the name of it, if nothing else. So now, Mindy, she's from a very close knit family. She's the eldest of three siblings. Her parents are Frank III and Betsy. Those are her mom and dad. And her brothers are Frank iv.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Of course there is.

[James Petregallo]

Of course there is.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You don't have a third.

[James Petregallo]

And then.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Stop there.

[James Petregallo]

No, if you have a third, it's going.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We've been working on this since 1901.

[James Petregallo]

Unless you say it stops now. No more. No more of this Frank shit. Now, they are from North Carolina originally, but they travel around. The parents have some ties to New Orleans. It's one of those things. Now, Frank was a minister in North Carolina. So he is known for close family discipline and faith based perspective.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

So she comes from a very religious, you know, strict upbringing. Dad's a minister. I mean, you know, there you go. Just like in the Navy. You can't be fucking off. It reflects badly. It's the same thing if you're a minister.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Unless it's dusk till dawn and Harvey Keitel's just throwing the F word around all Willy Millie. That was crazy, by the way.

[James Petregallo]

That was not the craziest part of the movie.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No. I don't know. To me, it was pretty wild.

[James Petregallo]

It's Harvey Keitel. He can't help it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's just wild that he's like a minister, but he's just like saying fuck every seven seconds.

[James Petregallo]

I feel like if Harvey Keitel had a child, it would come out and he'd be like, holy shit, what the.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Fuck is this place?

[James Petregallo]

Look at this fucking baby. Look at him. There's a baby. It's right here. He's fucking beautiful.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This is so crazy. And his kids, too. They're just like the least. I don't know, both of them are saying just crazy shit.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Are you guys really raised by a minister? This is wild.

[James Petregallo]

No is the answer. Maybe. So Mindy, again, she is big into education as well. She went for college with a focus on public service. She got a Bachelor's of Arts from Armstrong State University, which I guess has now folded into Georgia Southern University. They've combined universities. Then she got a Master of Arts in Public and International affairs from Virginia Tech.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Well, this is a great couple.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. I mean, Jesus, if you're those kids, if you're their kids, you're doing your goddamn homework, period.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And she's our age and went to Va Tech. Yikes. She went there during a really wild time, right?

[James Petregallo]

Well, yeah. I don't know. She was rooting for Michael. Vicky, I think.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No, no. But she had been there then.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He did go there.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he did go.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I don't know. I'm just thinking of, like, the time. That's when the shooting happened, right?

[James Petregallo]

Oh, yeah. I'm not sure.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right around there during our college time, years, was it?

[James Petregallo]

I don't remember. Who knows? Completely irrelevant. Sucking into shootings. I don't remember when. I think that was like 2009 or something.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, was it that late?

[James Petregallo]

I thought it was later, but she.

[Jimmy Wissman]

May have missed it. That's good.

[James Petregallo]

Now, her former professor, they missed her. I know that because she's fine. In 2016.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right. She's doing fine.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Her former professor called her, said she was, quote, one of those special students you wish you could have a whole classroom full of. Always such a happy person. Love that. That's great. So her career begins as a legal secretary in the corporate sector. And a legal secretary is not the same as her secretary. Secretary. No, they have to.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They put a. No case law and shit.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, they put together the actual form. The actual. Yeah. Stuff. So they.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Lawyer just goes.

[James Petregallo]

They know a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put together about it. Yeah. I'll give you the points. And you got to actually put it in the language and do all that shit. And then she transitions into the nonprofit sector.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Where she wanted to do. She wanted to be in like social work anyway and do good for things. She was one of those people. She wants to do good and help people basically. So she transfers over to a non profit area of business here. Now, they had their first date at the Blackwall Hitch restaurant in Alexandria, Virginia. The Blackwall Hitch Romantic.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Three words that mean something together.

[James Petregallo]

Blackwall is one word. Blackwall Hitch. Oh, I don't know, man. It doesn't sound like it's got delicious food, but maybe it does.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's iceberg slim. What was the place in Pulp Fiction? It's like that.

[James Petregallo]

It just doesn't make any sense. Together we will do. Maybe we'll find that for your stupid opinion. See if it's still open. Oh, black wall. A hitch. Maybe we'll see if it's still open.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

So in the summer of 2016, this is when shit starts to get weird for Nick here. His name appears in a Washington Post article that gets widely circulated and. And clipped and shown and talked about Here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Here's a man that agreed to pay crazy amounts of money to a woman and doesn't even have a dime.

[James Petregallo]

Well, yeah, well, he said he had so much. So then she said a million and a half. So he had to say like, no problem. Of course.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Fine.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's easy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What the fuck?

[James Petregallo]

I get the house though, you know. So the Washington Post article is about a marine court martial involving classified information. Nick had written a legal memo quoted in the piece. Oh, so his name's out there. He later on called it the perfect storm for press attention. Couple months before the 2016 election. Emails, classifications, all the hot topics.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, shit.

[James Petregallo]

Anything with those keywords in it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Is going to be a big fucking story. People are going to. It's going to hit a lot of search parameters here. So the Washington Post article, I'll read from it. It says, quote the Documents filed Tuesday in a lawsuit by Bresler against the Navy Department and Marine Corps also showed that Marine and Navy officials in Afghanistan were aware in 2012 of allegations of abuse against children by the Afghan police chief, but that the chief was allowed to keep his position in Helmand province anyway. This became a major issue after a teenage boy who worked for the chief and allegedly was abused by him opened fire on a US base on August 10, 2012. I remember this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

In retribution of this. Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

Killing three Marines and badly wounding a fourth. The five page legal review written last October by Lieutenant Commander Nicholas Cassotis.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, Nick.

[James Petregallo]

For Vice Admiral James W. Crawford iii. That is quite the. That's a handle. Vice Admiral James W. Crawford iii. You have all of the titles there. That's a man that shit on his desk. His name is so long.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Buying aircraft for that man is a nightmare.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, it's a nightmare so much. What's his title? Vice Admiral.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Suffix.

[James Petregallo]

I see. Mrs. I don't see. Vice Admiral. The Judge Advocate General of the Navy recommended that the Marine Corps actions against Bresler be upheld. Calling for a new administrative review, known as a board of inquiry, would delay actions in the case another six to nine months and possibly increase attention on the case, especially in the aftermath of significant media attention to the allegations regarding the practice of keeping personal sex slaves in Afghanistan. What Cassodis wrote. Yeah. That's part of their. That. Yeah. That's a big thing they have.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's a thing.

[James Petregallo]

Yes. That's a big thing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We don't have to get into it.

[James Petregallo]

No, I won't get into it. Unbelievable. That's a big thing. It's boys, too. It's young boys.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I gotta read more, I think.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This is terrible.

[James Petregallo]

It's a big Maybe.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I don't.

[James Petregallo]

I'm gonna. You know what? Keep yourself blissfully ignorant. Live your life like an Internet salad episode where it's just.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, that's political. Fuck that article.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, fuck that. You go, oh, what. What did Katy Perry do? Yeah, that's. That's dumb. Sure, whatever.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What's the lawsuit status of Baldoni?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, there you go. That matters only to three people. And that's good.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

You know, like something that's not affecting.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

No matter what happened, it's not affecting the rest of the world.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They all have way too much money for that to be affecting them anyway. They're so stupid to keep that shit going.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Who knows? I don't know anything about that. I haven't read a. So I don't really no opinion there. So. October 9, 2016, he is married again. Nick does here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

He is going to marry Mindy. I married Mindy at Morven park in Leesburg, Virginia. That's what he did there. So they initially live with her family, including at her brother Frank's home, and later at a bungalow in Savannah, Georgia that they share with the parents. So multiple locations. They end up living with the family, her family, because they're real close, basically.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sharing a bungalow does not feel like you have your own space. Bungalow implies single couple space.

[James Petregallo]

They'll be like a series of Airbnbs. Yeah. Bungalow is a cute word for a small house.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Of a certain shape, but it's small.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Bungalow's short for apartment that may or may not be attached to others.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, you don't hear a lot about 4,000 square foot bungalows. Usually.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Bungalow implies I'm trying to act like I've made it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So Nick says he has at this point, he tells his wife and everybody else and has financial documents to back it up, that he has $32 million.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God. Why does he do this?

[James Petregallo]

Well, he has financial docs. He said, I have $32 million now. He still hasn't paid Heather a fucking dime of a million and a half.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

She would like the money, by the way.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So he's got 30 and a half.

[James Petregallo]

That's exactly so now Nick is continue. Since that article came out, there's been some weird stuff happening that we'll get into, but I guess Nick has all sorts of stories of I'm under threat, I'm under attack, and this makes Mindy very scared of everything.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

She gets to the point where she rarely will leave the house. She holes up in the house all the time. Doesn't work, just stays inside and will only communicate via an encrypted app like Signal. That's the one she uses most.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, she's living like an Afghani warlord, basically, like on the run from a drone attack or some shit. That's how she's living. Mindy's mother, Betsy, said later. At first, everything seemed wonderful. Nick was charming, attentive. He treated Mindy like a princess. Then things started happening.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Then things started.

[James Petregallo]

Things started happening. So let's talk about those things. By the way, Betsy, like I said, is Mindy's mom deeply involved in Mindy's life too. Really? Really. Absolutely. Betsy is gonna live with them at certain times. Betsy and Frank III will live there at certain times. And she says she witnessed that they were scared and they end up being very nomadic. She heard Nicholas's stories of the threats and saw that they only communicated via encrypted apps and that Mindy rarely left the house. So the things that are happening here, by the way, this is at 38. The house that he shared with Heather is his house. So this is where they.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So this is where she's staying, too, that brick house.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Now, one of the things is bank accounts mysteriously being drained. He said you'd have money in an account. He'd look at it, the money's gone.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So it's interesting. He said Mindy was very actively watching. This is a quote from Nick. Mindy was very actively watching all of our spending because she wanted to make sure we were in the best position financially. He said, we were discussing my departure from active duty. We were discussing, you know, starting a family. Several things.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We got $30 million. We're fine.

[James Petregallo]

30 million. They're talking. Their next stage in life is what they're looking at.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Essentially. What are we gonna, you know, family? Where are we gonna live? Where are we gonna move?

[Jimmy Wissman]

You shouldn't even have to budget. And your kids will never work.

[James Petregallo]

No, probably not. But still, he wants to make sure they're in a good financial position. You could lose everything quick. It happens. Sure. Yeah. She started noticing odd deductions from our accounts that had no. That had to. They weren't tied to anything we were doing, he says. He said sometimes they. You know, the ones she showed me, they didn't even have transaction numbers. There'd just be money gone, which I don't know how a bank just.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I didn't know they would do that.

[James Petregallo]

It did like this. The computer disappeared. It. He's basically saying. He said it would say something like payment, and, you know, hundreds of dollars would go missing. At the time, we thought it was just an error with our bank. We were banking with usaa, which is the Veterans bank, at the time, and thought that, you know, we thought it was just some sort of bank error that would be easily resolved.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Well, when you have $30 million in the bank, sometimes the bank just charges you $200 to keep it up.

[James Petregallo]

They'll fuck it up. You call them on it. They'll.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's why you don't want to get rich.

[James Petregallo]

They'll take care of it, though. Mo money. More problems, I think, is the thing here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's what man said.

[James Petregallo]

That's right. They said, did you take that up with your bank? He was asked usaa and he said, mindy, did he Said I was at this time both working full time in the Pentagon looking for jobs, and I was still taking that LLM at night. That's the Georgetown deal. Yeah, so he says. So I was kind of burning the candle at both ends, but I. She was taking care of our money and Mindy was not working at this time, so she was in charge of that. Now there's also some familial arguments which is going to happen when you have a bunch of adults. When you have a bunch of adults that aren't having sex, living in a house together. They're going to fight.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yes. In a bungalow.

[James Petregallo]

You can't live with people you're not fucking. You just can't. No, you can't. Unless you're blood related to them. And he's not. So there's fighting. So they're having. He said we'd been having some kind of, I'll say, familial arguments. That's what the way he puts it. He said, you know, Mindy. It started with Mindy and my brother Chris, you know, kind of evolved over time to include all of our parents. It was, you know, at that time, I believed it to be kind of normal marital, you know, a new wife, somebody that they didn't know very well and that, you know, these were kind of growing pains that we were kind of going through is, you know, it's a new couple and they got married within a year of knowing each other. So that's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, that's.

[James Petregallo]

They don't know each other that well.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And they met on an app.

[James Petregallo]

You met on an app. So there's going to be some bumps to work out, and you got to smooth them. Yeah, you never know. So, yeah, there's always a degree of. And even the app things we've talked about, it sometimes works out great for people. There is some level of fantasy involved in it, though.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. And withholding of information.

[James Petregallo]

That's what I mean.

[Jimmy Wissman]

To maintain the fantasy, you build an.

[James Petregallo]

Aura around a person, and then there's a lot of times you're disappointed when you meet, but you don't want to admit that because then you wasted all this time. So you're gonna give it a chance and the next thing you know, you're married and arguing with someone brother. You know what I mean? That's what happens.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Two children and a lot of money out the window.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he said that. You know, we had some arguments, but more often it was between Mindy and my brother Chris. He said Sometime in late 2017, we'd seen a Kind of brief reprieve where we thought things had, you know, that our bank had fixed the issues, that things were no longer going wrong, and suddenly it kind of restarted with a lot more than it had before. And we also started seeing vandalism at our house.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, so we've got money just disappearing every now and again, and our house is getting vandalized.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. And he said I would sometimes get anonymous emails stating, you know, that I was going to be hurt or killed. So he's getting threats, threats, random drains from the bank account, vandalism at the house. And all of this he thinks is based on that article that he wrote. Someone's mad at him for that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Got it.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. So the article he was quoted in at the report he wrote.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

So he said also our mail would go missing, things of that nature. Nails in our tires, broken windows, things of that nature. I mean, you know, we wouldn't. We wouldn't even move our cars some days, and we'd have a new tire and a new hole in the tire.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

So he's saying there's just constantly new, so it's not like they're rolling over nails, the car in one place, and there's a nail in the tire.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They put a new tire on the car and it has a nail in it.

[James Petregallo]

Someone's hammering nails into it. Yeah, he said also the anonymous death threats and all that. He said, I reported all of this to the bureau, Federal Bureau of Investigation. So he goes to the FBI with this shit. He said on their website somewhere, they had a, you know, report a crime thing. Yeah, so he said that's where he went. I filed a complaint there, and I believe Mindy also filed a complaint there. This is when he was living at the house. Yeah, the house that he had with Heather. At first, he said the mail, my understanding, was a federal crime as well as the. My banking issues. So they both seem bad. Yeah, he said that's why I didn't go to federal. To the local police, because they said, did you go to local police? And he said, no, because these are federal issues and I work in the federal government. So I just assumed you go to the FBI with mail issues, because that's not a local police issue. It's a federal thing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, but you start with the guy that's right there. Right.

[James Petregallo]

Well, he said no, because he said, if I contacted the local police, it would have just been a waste of time in a police report, and they would have said, you have to contact federal authorities, or they would have just contacted federal Authorities. So he said, I'm going right to them, you know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

I guess. I don't know if that's what I would do, but I'd probably start with getting a cop doing a report.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

See if he wants to run it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Up the flagpole, have him send it up there. That's what I mean, we got better email than you do.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. You're just going to the report a crime fucking thing on their website. That's not a. That doesn't seem like it's all.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I think there's still somebody, there's still an officer that interprets that to. Just to decipher whether or not there's a crime.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. What about nails in the tires and broken windows and shit? That's as local police as you get. Yeah, that's perfect for local.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The feds aren't coming to save you. If something happens, you don't call them. Well, what is that number?

[James Petregallo]

Little different.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What is that? What do you call there?

[James Petregallo]

Come to my house and get my stolen mail.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. 1-800-number for that. What is it?

[James Petregallo]

Oh, man. He said that since they all seemed, I imagine that they were connected, meaning the vandalism, the money, the emails, everything. He said, I did not think local law enforcement would accomplish anything but a police report. I contacted or I tried to contact a former colleague who worked with the Department of Justice. So that's where he's trying to work. He's trying to use his connections here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

He said, I hoped that it would get us out of the bin of everybody's complaints and get a bit more attention into just the general complaints Hopper. He said, I wasn't sure if I had managed to contact him. Just because of his job. He keeps a very low profile. How do you not know if you're able to. I guess if you send it to an old email address or something, you don't know if he's still attached to it, he said. But several days later, I got a call at work, and this is when I was working as a civilian at the Board for Correction of Naval Records, and Mindy said that an FBI agent had come to the house. Oh. So, yeah, that's what I mean. They're coming right over, running right to the house. Now, this FBI agent is agent Jim McIntyre. Okay. Now he contacts them with warnings. He's saying, look, I looked into this. Yeah, whatever. So he shows up. He says they're in danger from overseas hackers targeting military members.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Overseas hackers or flattening hires.

[James Petregallo]

Now they're coming. They get, dude Think about it, the operation's huge, okay? You can have a computer in Turkmenistan, it doesn't matter, and you can hack into stuff. But then they got to send a guy over here with a hammer and actually go to Ace Hardware and fucking banging in there. So that's a network. You don't want to mess with them. They got it all. So he said, Nick reports it to the FBI. He had reported it to the FBI, and this is just a few days later, here's this guy. So Nick said, Mindy said an FBI agent had come to the house. His name was Jim McIntyre. He was very thorough, very professional. He wanted copies of everything, the emails, the bank records. Mindy said he took it very seriously. Yeah, so. And they said that you know what's going on here. Overseas hackers, did they? Like, ooh, that's what they're doing. These terrorists are getting local like 14 year olds in their cells and like want to make some money for some vandalism. That's what they're doing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Head over there and steal that guy's water bill.

[James Petregallo]

Do it. Come on, we totally, totally need it. It's huge. I really want to get his money mailer that he's got there, those coupons, if you get a bunch of them, you can stack them and then you can save some big money.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I need the flyers about oil changes.

[James Petregallo]

I have to have it. I need another Sephora catalog, please, from.

[Jimmy Wissman]

A car dealership he bought a car.

[James Petregallo]

At eight years ago. Oh, man. So she said that he was there in regards to what was happening and that he'd be returning in the near future. He was just gathering info here. So Jim comes back, okay, pretty soon after.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's got the, he's got the info.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. And Nick said, quote, he came to the house, I believe he had, he had called to schedule it to make sure that I was going to be home at the time because he wasn't there the first time. Hey everybody, just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you about a new series on Prime Video coming out right now on October 22nd.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, it's Harlan Coben's Lazarus.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. Best selling mystery writer Harlan Coban returns to television with a twisted tale of lies, murder, and long buried family secrets. Harlan Coben's written 37 novels and they're all this, you know, when you get to the last page, it happens type of thing. And it's really cool. He's a great author and you really want to see this. Harlan Coben's Lazarus stars Sam Claflin and the Bill Nye. He's the older actor. You've seen him in a ton of stuff. He's really Great actor. Premieres October 22, only on Prime Video. It looks like a real the tons of death and killings and mayhem and all sorts of stuff going on. You want some blood? This is the place to get it. Harlan Coban's Lazarus. Lazarus. You should definitely check this out. It looks really cool, looks really exciting, and it looks like something that you're gonna have to watch till the end. Can't wait. Don't miss Harlan Coben's Lazarus. Streaming October 22, only on Prime Video.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Now back to the show.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Look, we're an hour into this. I don't know what the fuck's going on. No, that's what the fuck is going on.

[James Petregallo]

It'll come together, all right. He said. So I thought we were really lucky. Over the coming weeks or months, he advised us that he believed that this Washington Post article had gotten me some attention and that I was that from overseas, you know, a hacking group of some sort that was targeting military members. He said that we should relax somewhat because he believed that the local vandalism and things of that nature were likely something they were paying kids to. To do or something of that nature. He said. He told us we were not in any real danger at that moment.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're so sophisticated they can take money from your account without transaction numbers or.

[James Petregallo]

Anything they know how to.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But so unsophisticated that they've got 12 year olds flattening your tires.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, they just hire Caden from down the street. He comes over and hammers one of his dad's fucking masonry nails into your tire. That's excellent.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This is a. Wow, what a story already.

[James Petregallo]

So he said that it was meant to be harassing us and that he was continuing to investigate. Meaning this is just to show him he's done wrong and so he doesn't do any more. It's not that they're not gonna hurt him at this point, anything. So at that point, Nick says Jim got him a job. Oh, yeah, Jim hooked him up. He said that at that point I was being employed by a software company that he had connected me to that Jim McIntyre connected me to. He said that it had several name changes over the years that I worked there. He said the ending name was APIs A P I S APIs Ltd. Which I believe is the Latin word for bee or something like that, like a bumblebee or a honeybee.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

He said that I believe that he's helping us because of our. Or helping me because of our situation. And we were both in the federal government and all that. He's probably an ex military guy, so he certainly exists. Yeah, he said that I was an attorney kind of general counsel role, though it carried a lot of other stuff with it at the Zapis company. He said sometimes I would be called on to help look through data and records that were being generated by the software. He said the nature of their business was AI software development, which obviously very big in the last 10 years. He said, basically using artificial intelligence software to analyze data and find connections between it. So he, he said, and as I had talked to Jim, I was hoping to find something that would allow me to work from home. Because despite his reassurances that we did not think that he didn't think we were in real danger, I felt very uncomfortable leaving Mindy home alone. What if something happens? What if they come for. What if a bunch of guys and, you know, masks and shit repel from the ceiling. What are we supposed to do then?

[Jimmy Wissman]

I mean, that's, that's a far cry from nails and tires stealing water bills.

[James Petregallo]

Hey, nails and tires goes right, goes right into completely Navy SEAL operations. The killing of bin Laden. It turns into, in no time.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How do you think inflatable boats without boards on them?

[James Petregallo]

How do you think they train Seal Team 6? They give them nails and hammers and things like that and they go, now go get these people. See how you do there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Don't get caught stealing Penny Saver.

[James Petregallo]

If you do this, then we'll send you to hunt for international terrorists and break into their compounds.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You can come back with local pizza restaurant Bogos. We'll get you.

[James Petregallo]

Well, if you could come back with at least five Chinese food menus. We're in different restaurants though, not from the same one. I know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And a window replacement deal.

[James Petregallo]

That's the deal. Oh, windshield replacement, absolutely. So he said we had suffered also a very serious car accident around that time. And he said she had a lot of health issues following that. And, you know, leaving my frail wife at home by herself when we were Undergoing this was something that really bothered me. So Jim's solution was, I think you might be right. I think there's more danger here than we initially suspected. You guys need to go underground, okay? You need to disappear. And from now on, they're just gonna be, like, moving from, like, safe house to safe house, basically. Wow. And as we'll find out, sometimes it comes on an hour's notice.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Jim will call him and say, pack your shit. You gotta be gone in an hour. I'm gonna be there in an hour. Someone's gonna be there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're on their way.

[James Petregallo]

My people are gonna be there to get you and move you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We picked up a signal chat stating they're on their way to your home now.

[James Petregallo]

From an Afghani warlord in a cave. He sent out a signal.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There's a guy landing in 12 minutes from.

[James Petregallo]

Watch out. He's just sitting on. He's sitting in there in coach with just a hammer and some nails on his lap, getting ready to get off the plane. Oh, God. So he said in May, we were asked to leave our house. Now, Jim said that there were arrests being made and that there was nobody. It was a holiday weekend, so nobody could help him because they were doing operations and stuff. He said, I believe it was Memorial Day weekend and that we would. That he was worried that we would not be safe if we stayed there, that somebody might do something rash. So we were terrified.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

He said we kind of grabbed our dog and we went down to Williamsburg, Virginia.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

There we go. So he said, there's a naval base right outside Williamsburg Naval Weapons Station Yorktown that has little vacation cabins on it. And we kind of huddled down there for the weekend and came back thinking everything was over. He said it was not over, though things continued. He said if anything, it picked up pace. Oh. Oh, yeah. He said the money going, disappearing, the issues with bank accounts, the issues with emails, mail, vandalism of our house, everything. So we were in contact with Mr. McIntyre and he started looking for other suspects because he said, we made arrests already about this and now it's happening more. Holy shit. Did we arrest the wrong people? He said at the time it was clear that somebody else was doing this and he was going to cast a wider net to do this. In the meantime, Jim McIntyre, Agent McIntyre, needs to control. He needs to have control of their stuff so he can move stuff around to keep them safe. Essentially, you don't know how to keep your movements from being tracked. And I do.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I know it.

[James Petregallo]

I know it. Yeah, absolutely. He said that There was a. He said there was a large, large sale or licensing agreement that was completed at some point by his company, by APIs. Now he says he was not getting paid by this company. Not getting paid in actual money. He was getting paid in stock options. Like.com era shit, you know what I mean? Like all these startups would do. You pay you in stock options and if the company takes off, you're going to be $100 million. And if it dies, you just worked 24 hours a day for two years for nothing. For absolutely nothing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And moving services because they're moving them constantly.

[James Petregallo]

That's the other thing too, he said. I was only paid in stock options, he said, and I was told that this large sum of money was being given to me. He said, I believe this is late 2018. He said, honestly, it felt like I hit the lottery. He said it was something that I had never, ever expected. Millions of dollars, he said. But we had real issues with getting a large chunk of money because we couldn't put a couple hundred dollars into our account without it going missing within a matter of minutes, if not hours. So where are we going to put all this money? He said. So during that time, Jim said. Jim set up a trust for us, he said. He showed us extensive documentation where it would be invested and care would be taken of it. So Jim, in addition to being an FBI agent and a super sleuth, he's also a financial advisor.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What a bank.

[James Petregallo]

That's just pretty impressive. Those are very disparate skill sets and he's got them in spades. This is pretty good. I'm very impressed. I am impressed. He said, you know, it would be taken care of. It wouldn't be anything that we could touch or until it was safe to do so. So I'll hold this for you till this is all resolved, he said. And also it was. Thankfully, it's something that nobody else could touch because of that same reason. So it would just be sitting there now. This is when they start moving and moving and moving and moving.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

Over a four to six year period, they're going to move somewhere between 50 and 100 times.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. This is not.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Where are they going?

[James Petregallo]

You know, every, every three months we have to move. This is. Sometimes they're at a place for three days and they have to move. Sometimes they're there for two months and they have to move. You never know. And it's all over Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, wherever Jim tells them to go, basically they go. They're living in Airbnbs Jim McIntyre controls where they live, their money. He manages the trust with this $32 million in it. That's where that comes from, their communications. Also, they're only to be. Only to communicate through signal through an encrypted app.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay?

[James Petregallo]

No text messaging. No more of this bullshit. And Jim says that he's monitoring their safety and making sure they're safe through a security team that you guys will never see, because they stay back. But there's people watching.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They're around. Don't worry.

[James Petregallo]

They're around. Yeah. So the moves follow a pattern. Jim calls, says they're compromised, gives them an hour to pack, provides a new address. They load all their shit. You know those big plastic bins that you have when you move? All their shit goes in those big plastic bins. They have all the bins ready to go. They know how to pack up and go quick. And that's it. They load them into their car and they go. He said Jim would call him and say, you have to be out of the house in an hour. This is where you're going. This is the code to get in, pack your things. That's it. So he says, too, that he believed that Jim was paying for all this because of the investigation is like, where.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The fuck is all this money coming from?

[James Petregallo]

It's like witness protection type of deal. There's a big. There's a big fund for that. You know what I mean? There is, too.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Right, Right.

[James Petregallo]

It happens all the time.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It doesn't usually go to people that are being harassed via stolen mail and nails in their tire. Right.

[James Petregallo]

But if it's from international sources to a military guy who's being targeted because of his. Of what he did while on duty, sure.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Then you get that money, I guess.

[James Petregallo]

You'D have to protect around the country. Yeah, but they said sometimes they're there six weeks, sometimes they're there for two days. You never know. Wow. Nick's Navy friend, Cameron Nelson. Okay. The problem is, it's not Jim paying for this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

It's a guy named Cameron Nelson who is Nick's Navy friend. Okay. She's a woman, Cameron. Now, she. Initially, when they had a spot where they had no money, their bank accounts were drained. She gave him her credit card information to be able to get an Airbnb or something that was. She thought it was somewhere between $500 and $2,000 she was lending him, but over the course of a few years here, he runs up $200,000 on her card. Whoa. Which to be able to imagine Being able to have $200,000 in debt run up and you not even notice it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Over how long?

[James Petregallo]

Over a few. Couple years. Wow, that's insane. Now, apparently Nick says that Jim was using this credit card because they had access to all. He had access to all their financial shit. That's how he had access to the credit card.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And. Yeah. So Cameron, the friend, said, I thought I was helping with one or two rentals during an emergency. I had no idea my card was being charged for. For everything, for years, $200,000 credit card. So imagine the.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God, unsecured debt.

[James Petregallo]

Put the interest rate on that, too, at 25%. So he said, I gave Jim McIntyre access to literally everything he said. And I believe because of the investigation, I had to. That's necessary. My financials, my bank accounts, my social media, absolutely everything. And so did Mindy. We put our life in his hands. He had access to our home. He had a spare key to our home as well as the alarm code. While we lived there, he had our bank accounts, our usaa, and a couple others that we had tried to pick up. To do that, he had, at this point, our mail. We had initially moved our mail to a post office because of the constant issues we'd been getting with our mail, but now he got it. You know, it would just. Sometimes for days, we would not get any mail. And then we would get these things that slipped through that said, well, you haven't paid bills and we haven't received this. You'd get late notices and go, I never got the bill. Shortly before we left, we moved our mail to a service down in Florida that would scan it and hold on for you and hold onto it for you and let you know what it was. Yeah, it's called the most. What the paranoid mail recipient. That's called.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You gotta get a filter in an. In another state.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Send it to the people in Florida. They'll look through it and then send it to me like I'm in prison. That's crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You got a collection notice from Sam Goody?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. You still owe fucking Columbia House for all his 11 CDs. For 12 cents.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's three CDs that you got.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, God. So he said. So he had access to that. All of our social media for both of us. Anything from Reddit to Twitter to Instagram to Facebook. He had our signal. He had us mirror our signal accounts to personal or not personal. I thought professional. I had professional computers of his that could monitor those conversations as well. So he had them signal Mirror the signal, chats with him. So he's connected. He's always an invisible third. They BCC him type of deal, basically. So 2019 comes around. Hey, remember Heather who got a million and a half dollar settlement? She wants her fucking money.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. When do I get paid?

[James Petregallo]

Well, she takes him to court in 2019 for this. And she said he testified under OATH he had $32 million. Because he does. It's from the company.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Documented.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So he said Mindy was withholding it from him. Oh, quote, this is from Heather. The judge was furious, told him he'd be arrested if he didn't pay in a week. I've never received a penny of that 1.5 million. So he does not pay at all?

[Jimmy Wissman]

No.

[James Petregallo]

And he can't. Absolutely not. Can't do it. So November of 2019, right after this, the couple leaves the area. They end up in Charlottesville, Virginia, and Nick claims that he's attacked at their rental house.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, no.

[James Petregallo]

They're renting a house. Somebody came up and hit him with a baseball bat and kicked him in the face and just. Just ran up to him, like when he ran out of his house. Didn't rob him, didn't mug him, just beat him. And then Walt ran away.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And ran away.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. Yeah. Now, luckily for Nick, yeah. Jim has investigated this beating and he has an explanation, and it's not an explanation Nick wants to hear here. Apparently, Jim tells Nick that this beating, not only this beating, but everything that's been happening we found him, has not actually been some of the stuff anyway, all the local stuff, has not actually been the terror group attacking him, the vandalism and things of that nature. It's actually been Nick's father. Wayne is behind all of this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Your dad's doing it.

[James Petregallo]

Your dad. No, that's the thing. Not only is your dad doing it, he's not your biological father. I found out.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Terrible day.

[James Petregallo]

Terrible day. Not only is your dad not your dad, but the guy you thought was your dad is also harassing you and tormenting you. Yes. And he said that Wayne wants Nick back in their family fold because Nick's kind of gone with Mindy's family. And that's what this is all to try to get Nick to come back to them. And Mindy has been an obstacle, is what Jim is telling him, according to Wayne. Your wife's a big obstacle in this. So they're trying to scare you into coming back in. Now, there's no police report. He didn't call the police when he got Beat up by a bat. He called Jim. Why bother with the police? I got the FBI in speed dial here. No hospital records. It's all real hush hush, like when Avon got shot in the wire and they had to take him to a veterinarian to pull the bullet out. All real hush hush, under the radar. And Mindy hears about all this, and now after hearing this, she will not leave the house at all. She is.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, I'm terrified.

[James Petregallo]

Agoraphobic now. Will not leave the house. Now 2020 comes around. Okay, we're talking. This is peak Covid times at this point. People are moving around. Things are real weird. Mindy's parents, Frank III and Betsy, need somewhere to stay at this point. Right. So they move in with Nick and Mindy, which seems like an odd choice because they're moving all around. So if you're with them, they're targets. Yeah, you got to be ready to move in an hour, too.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So. And they're bouncing around between Airbnbs all over South Carolina at this point. The parents saw all these moves firsthand. Moves with no explanation. Out of nowhere. We gotta go. Sees how they live out of plastic bins because they need to be ready to throw everything back in the bins and go at a moment's notice, never staying anywhere more than a few weeks and all of that. Yeah. And Betsy said they were so frightened Mindy would shake when she heard a car door slam. They turned her into a Chihuahua, for Christ's sake. This is terrible. Frank III, dad said Nick showed us documents, bank statements showing $32 million security reports. It's all good, but yet they're in this weird limbo now. February 2021, after Covid, the whole group, Nick, Mindy, Frank III and Betsy, all move into Frank the Fourth's house in Hilton Head.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. Frank. Yeah. Frank IV is a police officer.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, around genius. Yeah. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So they're gonna move in with him.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Not only move with the guy with the badge and the gun.

[James Petregallo]

There you go. You know, people. It's a little more protected. So they're gonna stay here for 16 months, which is the longest place they're gonna. They've been moving, they've moved. They've moved 50 times in the last couple years. And now they're gonna. They're gonna stay here for a stability. That's a lot of stability. So he's still working for APIs Limited on top secret software projects. He also says that he has some other work for Microsoft that he does as well and gets paid from that. He Says that he's working 12 to 15 hours a day for APIs Limited, but never receives a paycheck. Just gets stock options that are all managed by Jim McIntyre and put into investment portfolios and things like that. March 2022, they're in the house with the family, still in Frank IV's house. Mindy announces that she is pregnant. She says she's pregnant.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Bad idea.

[James Petregallo]

Who knows? They've been trying to have a kid. Nick says that they had gotten pregnant the year before, but Mindy lost the baby.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, that's a lot of stress.

[James Petregallo]

It's a lot of stress. All the moving and everything, all the bin picking up, that'll ruin it for you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Can't be left.

[James Petregallo]

No. So apparently, March of 2022, she's pregnant. Now, Nick can't remember if he saw the pregnancy test or not, but he said, I'd seen other pregnancy tests from before. I'd seen negative ones. I'd seen the one from the year before when she lost the baby. So I don't remember if I saw that one or if I'm remembering other ones basically now. Okay, Mindy, apparently this is Nick's story about how things fell apart with the family at Frank the Fort's house. He says, quote, mindy had a large argument with her brother and then a smaller argument with her parents, and she said she didn't feel like she wanted to stay in the area anymore. Okay, okay. Or that's one version of how their residency ended. The second one is what Frank the Fourth said, which is, quote, they contributed nothing, no rent, no groceries. Nick claimed Jim McIntyre controlled all their money. I finally had to file eviction papers.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Evicted them from his.

[James Petregallo]

From his house because they kept staying. Wow. So when they were getting kicked out of here, Nick says that Jim asked us how he felt about Charleston, South Carolina. So that's where they were going. Now, Mindy's average day, Nick says on her average day, she wouldn't leave the house at all. She was terrified she'd be killed if she did. Jim told her that while he felt at this point my family was going to. Wanted to get me back in the fold, so to speak. He said that's why I hadn't been killed in Charlottesville when I was assaulted. It was just a warning to come back. But John Gotti wouldn't fucking do that if his son wasn't talking to him like, that's insane. He said that they viewed Mindy as an intelligent impediment and that they would have. They'd have her killed. Had they had the chance, but they don't have the chance. So he said, I was the one who left the house. I was always terrified to leave the house. But Mindy was pregnant throughout this, and, I don't know, it was my job. I was the one who had to go brave the outside and risk being murdered. Now June of 2022 comes around. All right, they're living in Savannah, Georgia at this point.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Not bad.

[James Petregallo]

Nick is now a writer. Oh, yeah, there you go.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Less money.

[James Petregallo]

Well, not really, as we'll find out after the eviction. They move into 311 East 65th street in Savannah, which is a small Airbnb bungalow at $4,500 a month.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Whoa.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What is that?

[James Petregallo]

Airbnb prices? It's like, you know, not a rental price to not signing a year lease and paying that. Nick had just received $300,000 in actual money from Sony for a short horror story he wrote. They bought a story? Yeah, he had published it to Reddit and they found it and contacted him and fucking bought his story.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is that how desperate Hollywood is?

[James Petregallo]

That is how desperate Hollywood is for a short horror story. Okay, now the story he sold was, quote, my mother in law is poisoning me. And then I found out why. That was the name of it. Okay, the plot is, a mother in law makes her daughter in law sick to protect her from her murderous husband who plans to kill her for insurance money. The mother in law is the hero who's poisoning this girl. So, yeah, anyway, July 27, 2022, Nick buys a 2022 Ford Explorer with cash. 46 grand in cash.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, it's an expensive car.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Now, by the way, Mindy will not leave the house. But she's pregnant. So how does she get prenatal care is the question.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Great question. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

He says that a doctor with a black bag came to the house 12 times, but somehow always when her parents weren't home, they always just missed the doctor, which is interesting. He did tell the parents there's a due date in January and the baby's a girl.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We already know he brought the ultrasound in his bag.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he had the whole machine in a black bag ready to roll. Isn't that nice?

[Jimmy Wissman]

JR Box just popped through.

[James Petregallo]

He just popped through. Like he's fixing your abortion no problem. Like he's fixing your Catskills Back fucking room abortion while a 25 year old molests your daughter. You know how it works.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They never explain what exactly he did. He just like gave her a pill and some water and Was like, you'll be on the mend in a second.

[James Petregallo]

You'll be better now.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, a guy butchered her and he's like, just take some Advil.

[James Petregallo]

Probably antibiotics is probably what it was. Probably had an infection. That's real easy. Probably.

[Jimmy Wissman]

But yeah, hilarious though.

[James Petregallo]

He just gave her some Tic Tacs and told her everything's going to be fine. September 24, 2022, Nicholas sends a message on Twitter. He sends a message on Twitter to Samantha Kolsnick, who is an author of horror novels, including one called True Crime, which is not a true story, which is really confusing. Now on Twitter, he sees she's selling signed books that she has. So he buys all four of them. Yeah, buys all four, sends her a message. We'll talk about. Now, Samantha's a horror author. She is born and based in central Pennsylvania like he was. She's an award winning author, filmmaker and artist specializing in horror and dark fiction. She wrote several novels here and I'm gonna go through them with you here. The Human A Horror Anthology. She wrote. She wrote Midnight from Beyond the Stars. Samantha Kolznick, Lonesome Hearts, Lonesome Haunts. I'm sorry, Tales from Between the Presents, Alagona, the Bad Book, Orphans of Bliss, Tales of Addiction, Horror. Okay, I guess that's hers. It's under her thing. True Crime, Bellith Station. She looked like she wrote with somebody else. Waif and Worst Laid Plans. Oh, also Cremines Reales, Homesick and Moonflowers and Nightshade, An Anthology of Sapphic Horror.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

She also has short films. She wrote four short films. Mama's Boy, Friendsgiving, the Price of Bones and I Baked Him a Cake.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Are those market value?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, I don't know what those are. What's the true market value of Bones? Now his message was just grabbed. All four novels. Can't wait to dive into your nightmare world. Fellow writer here, love supporting indie horror. Your work sounds deliciously dark. Okay, now Samantha said most people who buy books don't message. I said, thanks. He kept messaging and messaging, telling how much he liked her work as he read it. They would bond over their enjoyment of true crime and stuff like that, everything. Now on September, by the way, later on he'll alternately tell her his name is different. He'll try to go by Nicholas Killian, James Stark later on as his name. Okay, now, September 30, 2022, Nick files a police report claiming his father Wayne assaulted him. An actual police report Based on Jim.

[Jimmy Wissman]

McIntyre's findings based on the Bat and the Kick.

[James Petregallo]

And he Will later on use this to try to change his name, saying that's one of the reasons he wants to change his name, is to separate himself from a guy who's not even his real father and had him beat to him within an inch of his life. He tells Samantha. Nick does. This is October 18, 2022. He said, in the last three years, I moved a couple times, learned pretty much everything I thought about myself was not true, and had my wife pass away.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

He's telling her that in 2020, his wife Mindy died of undiagnosed heart issues aggravated by pregnancy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Wife's been dead for two years. Been a widower here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Yep. He said that's what happened. He even, by the way, showed her a Photoshopped driver's license to show who he was, which is Nicholas Killian, James Stark, or whatever the fuck. So later on in November 2022, Samantha's car gets a flat tire. Nick arranges to have it towed and pays for four new tires, new headlight bulbs, over $600 in total.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay. Get you new headlights, too. Fuck it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he had a paddiddle going on. He said. Samantha said, I was shocked. We never even met. I said it was too much. He said, most guys would send flowers, I send tires. Pretty stupid, right? It became a joke between us.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

A week later, a huge bouquet arrives at the door. Not of tires, of actual flowers. Now, Thanksgiving week, 2022. Okay, here we go. Frank III and Betsy leave for Hilton Head. They're gonna go see Frank iv. Sure. Mindy stays home. She doesn't leave the house, and she's eight months pregnant, not feeling well at this point. Okay, now that is Wednesday 23rd November, Saturday, 26th November, two days after Thanksgiving. Mindy. Nick says that Mindy texted him saying she's going to the hospital. This is while he's working. So he said, I got a message from her that she was leaving the home and that she was concerned that she was going and had to go get medical attention. So he said, I asked her if she thought I should come back, right? And she said she didn't need that and she was going to be picked up and she's all right. I'm just going to go get. I'll be fine.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Don't worry about it.

[James Petregallo]

So now he was asked, did she tell you where she was going to get medical attention? I'm going to this hospital. Whatever. He said, we had discussed it in prior days that she was going to be taken to a birthing center. That a doctor or that a man I believed to be a doctor who had been seeing her in the home, worked at or was affiliated with in some way. So whatever birthing center old black bag is attached to. He said that Mr. McIntyre was comfortable with that because we were obviously, we were very scared again about the medical issues, you know, with insurance, with payments, with our location being found. So he said he returned home that weekend because he was working. He was gone, he said. And Mindy was gone, he said. But I continued to receive signal messages from her over the next several days. You wouldn't go see your 8 month pregnant wife who's in the hospital and.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She'S at a birthing center. She's eight months pregnant. Like for how long is she gonna have to be there?

[James Petregallo]

That's. I mean, I don't think a birthing center, you don't stay there for days.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, they don't. They don't.

[James Petregallo]

If you have anything. Yeah, basically, unless the kid just slides out and everything's fine, you're going to the fucking hospital where they have medicine and shit and machines and I don't know if some of these birthing centers might have that too, but sure. I assume if there's a major issue, you're going to an ER at that point.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right? Birthing centers are generally for like people that don't have the means to have a hospital baby. Right.

[James Petregallo]

I don't know, I always thought it was more of a hippie thing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right. Or is it people that have like a lifestyle that they don't want to do the drug thing.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, they just want to have it natural. They want to have it in their home. Yeah, it's big in Mormonism, they do that. They have it in the house. In a fucking pool. In the tub. In the pool. Yeah. That's crazy shit. So anyway, he said that, you know, so I just got her messages and hung out. He said, I was told on, I want to believe it was Sunday that I should be preparing to leave again. Jim told him, he said that was something that had come up multiple times where we were told to pack and then a few days later we'd unpack. He said it was a constant hassle and stress, but I was told to pack just the things we would need for a couple days and that we might be leaving very, very quickly in the future. At the time, we were planning on moving to Missouri to have the baby settle there and try to put our lives back together to an extent.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So.

[James Petregallo]

Monday, November 28, 2022, Nick heads out. Not to the hospital to see his wife. To the bass pro shop.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Hell yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Where he purchases a seven piece deer processing kit. Hey everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show and tell you how to be much safer with simply safe.

[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Now back to the show.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, that. He said that Mindy texted him and told him this would be a good gift for my brother who's a hunter for Christmas. So we should get this for. You should go pick this up for him for Christmas. Don't worry about me. I'm just in the hospital. I'm cool.

[Jimmy Wissman]

My brother. Foreman Grill.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, it's all good. So, seven piece deer processing kit. It's how to part a deer out.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Essentially it's a grinder, slicer, everything.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So.

[James Petregallo]

Wednesday, November 30, 2022, Frank III undergoes hip surgery at St. Joseph's Hospital. Okay. Now, Nick goes and visits him in the hospital, shows concern. So, I mean, he didn't visit his wife, but he's visiting the father in law in the hospital. Says Mindy's still in the hospital. I haven't seen her, but I've been texting with her. She's fine. Okay. Thursday, November 1, 2022. Frank III, Dad, Mindy's dad, is discharged from the hospital. Nick helps him get to the house, helps him get settled, tells Betsy, you don't worry about it. Listen, darling, calm down. You go to work. I'll take care of Frank. Then Mindy's ready to come home from the hospital later today. I'll take care of Frank. Then I'll go get Mindy from the hospital.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There we go.

[James Petregallo]

So he takes care, gets Frank all settled, gets him a fucking juice box or whatever he gets him. And Nick heads out to the hospital. He said that? On Thursday, I received a phone call and was told she'll be ready to pick up this afternoon. He said I'd sent her a few messages and I hadn't heard back, but that's what the doctor told him. So he said, I assumed she was either napping or undergoing some sort of test and didn't have her phone with her, he said. But then that Evening on Thursday, December 1, I was told that she died.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, they said.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The birthing center just told me she died.

[James Petregallo]

She's dead. Sorry. She was alive this afternoon. We told her to pick.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What about my baby?

[James Petregallo]

We'll talk about it. So, dead. It's all dead. Everybody's dead.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Everybody's dead.

[James Petregallo]

Dead. Sorry.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Everybody that was in that room, Dead.

[James Petregallo]

Carbon Monoxide leak, everybody's dead. Well, so he was asked, who told you that she died? And he said, a man at the medical clinic of some sort that I went to.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Where's it at?

[James Petregallo]

That's his answer. They said, where was the medical clinic that you went to? He said, somewhere in Savannah or the greater Savannah area.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's very vague.

[James Petregallo]

East, west, north, south, a direction.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, good old Savannah.

[James Petregallo]

He said, I don't know Savannah very well. Okay. They said, so who was the name of the man that told you that? He said, I don't recall.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Your wife is dead. Thank you, sir. What?

[James Petregallo]

They said, okay, tell me what happened. You went to the birthing center, you spoke to this man. And he said, I was brought back and he was kind of waiting for me, kind of waiting for him. He said, I was brought to an office. And I assumed I was getting like I've gotten before with various medications or various, you know, tools, you know, like the blood pressure cuff that I had tested her with, that I was going to get some sort of instruction on the aftercare.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

You need to do this and that. And he sat me down and said, you know, I'm very sorry to tell you that Mindy passed away very suddenly. So they said, did you ask to see her?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

And he said, I did, but the man said, I couldn't. At that time. My understanding leaving was, I don't recall his exact words. I was an absolute wreck.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So he was like, I can't care at all.

[James Petregallo]

I can't see my dead wife. I'll just take off, I guess then I gotta go.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. He said, my understanding was that there was going to be an autopsy, so I assumed she was being prepped for that or that she'd already been transported somewhere for that. I was distraught, but I believed that I was going to see her and I believed that I would get a chance to see her. He said that the man had me sign some forms that I believe were for the autopsy, some sort of a release, which you don't need to sign a release for that, not for a body, not for a sudden death that they would have to explain of a 30 something year old woman, a 40 year old woman at this point. He said, and then I drove home. Okay, that's that. And they said, well, how are you told she died? Like what did they say? They just died very suddenly. It's very vague in the greater Savannah area. Two, very vague.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You're really shutting a lot out because of this trauma, sir.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. He said, at that time, I was not. He said that she died very suddenly, that she'd been brought back from some testing and had gone to the bathroom. And that after that, the nurse was called away before she was done in the bathroom. And by that time, they came back to rehook her up to the machines, and she had passed away so fast. Dead in the bathroom, he said, and that that was why there was no alarms had been risen at the time or raised, I guess. So. He said, I drove home. He said, I got home and I spoke to Frank and Frank and Betsy immediately. And he returns, he breaks down crying. Betsy said, he was sobbing so hard, I couldn't understand him. Just kept saying, she's not coming home. She's not coming home.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No kidding.

[James Petregallo]

So, yeah, he said when he walked in, he said, I walked in. And Betsy said, oh, my God. Like, this is the baby. That's what they were expecting. We're gonna come in with a baby. Like, she didn't see from my face that something was horribly wrong. And I just started sobbing. And he said, he told them Mindy died suddenly at the birthing center. Stroke or heart issue? Doctors aren't sure. Baby didn't make it either. Everybody's dead. Everybody's dead. So, yeah, that's that. So that night, Nick said. I contacted Jim, I believe, shortly thereafter and told him what happened. And he said that he would find out what happened. He said he was so sorry for. For me. And then, honestly, I think I got drunk. You know, kill the pain, numb it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

Sometime either the following day or the day after that. We had started to reach out to friends. So he reaches out and texts certain friends. Cameron Nelson, the credit card lady, Angela Wynn, Chris Zaplak and Joseph West. Each of them get a different story.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, yeah, what's the deal with that?

[James Petregallo]

He told Cameron, stroke from blood pressure issues. And Cameron said that I loaned him 2,000. It ballooned to nearly 200,000. He said he'd pay me back. Never did. He told me Mindy died of a stroke from blood pressure irregularities. He told Angela, massive stroke. He told Joseph, sepsis that led to infection, which is way different.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All so different.

[James Petregallo]

And then told another person just pregnancy complications. Yeah. Which is wild. He leaves the Airbnb, takes off.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

A couple days later, he said, quote, I met with Jim. He said he wanted to give me the results right away, could I meet him somewhere outside Savannah? And, you know, I assumed that it was the closest point that, you know, I would get the news quicker on what happened. I remember talking to Betsy on My way out. Because she said, you know, do you think we should. We should. You know, do you think that we should, like, look into a lawyer or stuff like that they were talking about? And he said. I said, absolutely. Like, I am very unhappy with the career.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I will not be paying for this care.

[James Petregallo]

If I could give zero stars, I would. That is not happy. Said my wife was fine.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Very chill statement.

[James Petregallo]

Kept her for a week. She died one star.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I am not happy.

[James Petregallo]

Not happy. I'm very unhappy with the care. It's hilarious. He said, like, you know, how do you leave a woman who's with all these health issues alone for any length of time where she's not being monitored? Like, I absolutely, at that point, wanted her to start the process of finding a lawyer. Now Betsy and the friends are very distraught because there's no memorial for her. No memorial, no viewing, nothing. He claims, as a matter of fact, that he doesn't know how it happened, but somehow she was sent to be cremated, even though that was not his instructions.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. And they just made an assumption.

[James Petregallo]

He probably turned up.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And the fact that he said that he was. Contacted a man called him and said, hi, I have your wife's ashes. Yeah, how's it going?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Can you come pick these up?

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. Can you come pick these up? It's $5,000, by the way. What an expensive cremation.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's the most expensive one I've ever heard of.

[James Petregallo]

You get a coffin for that? A real n. Nice one. It's $5,000. And I need that in cash, by the way.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, no paper trail on this.

[James Petregallo]

I need that in cash. And he said, well, where can I come pick up the ashes? And they decided on the side of a road in Alabama, not at a building or an office.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Route 12. Vague City, Alabama.

[James Petregallo]

He said he talked to the guy and they were both traveling around at the time and that they decided they would both somehow be near Alabama. So they decided on Montgomery, Alabama would be a good place to stop. So he said he met this man on the side of the road, handed him $5,000. This man handed back to Nick a bag of his wife's ashes. Not even an urn, a fucking bag. A sack of ashes. And her engagement ring and her wedding ring. Here you go.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This is our most modest receptacle.

[James Petregallo]

Is this the best? Yeah, this is the ash equivalent of a plain pine box. Here it is a gallon Ziploc bag of your wife.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This is crazy.

[James Petregallo]

So he said he was not happy with that guy at all.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm not happy with that one.

[James Petregallo]

Either or the can. Not happy with all of this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really. The whole process has been.

[James Petregallo]

It's been a bitch uncomfortable.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

But he said I gave him 5,000 in cash that I had taken out of the bank that morning to meet this man. So now he's got his wife's ashes. Now, Betsy said after Nick left and was gone a couple days, we got an email from his security team. You know, he has a security team saying he'd been in a terrible car accident. Oh, weeks later, they said he died.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Who? Nick died?

[James Petregallo]

Nick's dead? Dead from a car accident.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God. We just got an email about it.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he's not dead. He never was in a car accident. Okay. This is all bullshit. Obviously, Nick's very much alive, but she said he's dead. So Nick's dead December 2, 2022. Couple days after all this. This is about when he's getting the ashes from the guy in Alabama. 4:50pm at the Portal Hunting Club in Riceboro, Georgia.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. 30,000 plus acres of logging and hunting land in Liberty County. This is a big hunting preserve. Basically it's a club here, a hunting club. They do deer and turkey and small game hunting and all that kind of shit. Seasonal memberships and all that kind of crap. They have cabins and campsites and they have maintained roads. They have deer stands. It's just a big hunting preserve. They try to improve habitat improvement and control harvest policies. They said that they have a lot of these in this area. Many hunting clubs operating on timber company or privately owned land even. Okay, so late November through December is peak season. This is when everybody's out looking for deer at this point. Because that's when deer are fucking. That's when they're getting there. That's when they get their fuck on. They get pregnant in November, December, have babies around June. I have deer in my yard, a ton of them. So I can see their process. So now they have gates during this time because there's tons of hunters, their dogs, and there's a lot of logging trucks too. During this time, gates that normally block certain roads are open because there's so many people there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, we need you in here to clear it out.

[James Petregallo]

So during this time, locals use the dirt roads as shortcuts.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sure.

[James Petregallo]

To places. Now, a guy named David Owen Lovett shot a deer. Nice guy. So he's jacked his dogs, race toward it. And he said the dogs were acting strange, wouldn't come when called. I walked over to see what they'd found. Another deer that's what he was looking for. He said, I thought it was a hog at first. Then I saw what it was. Then I saw arms. Oh, no human arms. Yeah, yeah. No head, no legs. Just that. A torso with arms he finds.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

They're like, holy shit. No head, no legs, torso lying in the woods. He calls the cops quickly, obviously.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

4:58Pm, deputies arrive by 5:15, they're crime scene tape in this shit. By 5:45, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation is on the scene. So, I mean, this is wild deal here. The torso is nude, partially decomposed. There is a black plastic tote nearby. You know one of those tubs.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Movers. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Overturned nearby. There's also a Milwaukee brand knife with a red handle on the ground. Oh, there is Clorox wipes everywhere. Yeah, all over the place, those wipes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There's landscaping saw is what that is.

[James Petregallo]

That's a. That's a. That's a good one there. Yeah. A knife, though.

[Jimmy Wissman]

One of the red handle, Milwaukee brand. Outdoorsy one.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Yeah, they're good. They're good. Clorox wipes everywhere, including wrapped around the knife's handle. Oh, so someone's wiping some shit down. Scattered on the ground. There's more than a dozen Clorox wipes that they can find. One of the agents said, In 30 years, I've never seen that many cleaning wipes at a scene. Someone tried very hard to eliminate evidence. Getting rid of everything. Now, is this a good place to dump a body? A rural area? Not really.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Doesn't seem like it.

[James Petregallo]

No. It's the type of place the police look at it and immediately understand that it's not a local, because it's the type of place that, if you looked at it, it looks like a great place to dump a body. It looks like in the middle of nowhere. But if you were from the area, you know, this is a hugely trafficked area that tons of people are on all the time. You just go, oh, shit. Woods, middle of nowhere. Perfect.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. You go out to a lake in Arizona and you go, wow, this is rural. Nobody's ever here. And then. Then you look at the lake and it's just buzzing with activity.

[James Petregallo]

Exactly, exactly. So it just looks like endless woods. If you're not from here. The next day, December 3, 7am there's hundreds of searchers by 7am deputies, GBI agents, volunteers, dogs, helicopters, drones. I mean, full court press. 2:00pm they find Ugats, by the way. But at 2:00pm A hunter named Philip McCaller finds something. 2.5 miles away from the torso.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he said. I thought it was a deer leg at first.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Damn.

[James Petregallo]

It got closer. Saw toes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Shit.

[James Petregallo]

Deers don't have toes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Don't have toes.

[James Petregallo]

They don't have arms or toes. Two things deers don't have.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And hogs.

[James Petregallo]

Deer don't have those. Yep. He said right leg partially consumed by animals. And there was maggots present. December 5, 2022. If you notice, we're missing one part still.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, a whole lot of parts.

[James Petregallo]

One part we got. We found legs.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, the middle part.

[James Petregallo]

That's one leg. That's right.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The very, very top.

[James Petregallo]

We're missing a head and a left leg at this point. All right, so the hangman's Almost complete now. December 5, 2022, cadaver dogs alert near a fallen tree and they recover a left leg.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay, now we just need the very tip top.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. We need to start this production. A gray plastic tote was found nearby with blood residue inside. Now, it was wiped down, but they said the totes were wiped so clean they practically shined. But blood seeps into plastic and you can't wipe it away. Anyone who's ever put leftover spaghetti in a Tupperware understands exactly what the fuck you're talking about.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I've done that. I don't know what you're talking about. What do you mean?

[James Petregallo]

Your Tupperware is permanently stained.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, got it. Okay.

[James Petregallo]

If you put tomato sauce in it once.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

It looks like. Yeah. Forever. No matter how much you clean it, never coming out. It's tomato sauce on Tupperware. Apparently blood on a. On a tote thing as well. So. December 7, 2022. Searchers have covered thousands of acres. Thousands. A GBI agent named Lindsay Smith notices some disturbed earth near a pine tree. Fresh looking dirt that hasn't been packed down. Really? And damaged roots as well by the pine tree.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, we got roots sticking up.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Yep. He said the roots had cut marks, like someone started digging, hit roots, moved over, tried again.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, that does suck.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. So they dig down into the fresh dirt. They have to dig down three feet.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Before they find a human head. Yep. And they said it was hidden with care, this human head. So the head buried, the legs just tossed into the brush. The torso there. The remains are that of a white female with brown eyes, shoulder length hair approximately 5, 9 to 510 in height, approximately 185 to 200 pounds. Age range of 20 to 50 years old, which again, vague. 20 to 50? Little bit vague. Bigger yeah, we don't know. The body has no scars, marks or tattoos. There is a single dental implant in the upper right jaw.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay. She was born in 82 and has not gotten a tattoo.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow. Yeah, that's very impressive. Neither have I. Yeah, that's very impressive.

[James Petregallo]

Why?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Because nobody does that.

[James Petregallo]

I think it's stranger to go to a place on purpose and give someone money to draw on you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You may think that stranger, but that's incredibly popular.

[James Petregallo]

No, no. I know that seems like a lot of effort is what I'm getting at.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It is.

[James Petregallo]

It's just a lot of effort. I'm too lazy to do that. There's no way I'm doing that. It's just sit there for two hours, the fuck out of here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's just fascinating when people have gotten out of doing it ever.

[James Petregallo]

When have you ever seen me sit for 10 minutes besides doing this show? I can't sit. I can't sit. It drives me crazy. I get up and run around. Fuck that. That's all right. I'm good on it. So they found that. They found clothing near the remains. Described as a dark blue long sleeve Marona brand shirt. That's Target, right? Target brand Marona size medium, white camisole top, size large. Light gray boy shorts with white stripe down the side, large size. And a white and white Amazon essentials underwear, size large. That's the clothes they find. They find black and gray totes with Mindy's blood inside. They find the Milwaukee knife wiped clean. No DNA. Clorox wipes everywhere like that. Now, the medical examiner finds a torso has with nine head wounds. Defensive wounds on the arms, abdominal wounds, tool marks on bones consistent with power tools.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

They said nine lacerations to the head, one causing skull fracture. Defensive wounds on arms and hands. Cuts and bruising the chest and abdomen. Body so drained of blood, we couldn't get enough for standard toxicology. Yeah, the body was not pregnant.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

This is not a pregnant person. Whoa. Okay. Now, they don't know who it is, but it's someone who's not pregnant.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Somebody between 20 and 50 with no tattoos. That's not pregnant.

[James Petregallo]

That's not pregnant. Now, the forensic entomologist said, based on fly larva development, Death occurred between November 27th and 30th, 2022.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

They do an investigation to try to figure out who this person is. No fingerprint matches, no matches in the CODIS database. No DNA matches. Dental implant, which is usually. They can trace that back to manufacture. Untraceable.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Somebody got like A black market sidewalk implant from somewhere.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Implants. Not a crown implant.

[James Petregallo]

Fucking implant. Hole two.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Petregallo]

Forensic sketches. They make, they're released. And here are the sketches here. Okay.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's a nice little painting actually.

[James Petregallo]

Nice sketch. It actually looks really. I like how the artists sign their name down here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Like it's Kelly.

[James Petregallo]

Like you're selling it at the fair. So that's how they look at now. That's what's going on. They see this, they don't know who it is. They're asking for help. They get hundreds of tips. None of them pan out.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sure.

[James Petregallo]

Except for one. And that is made by Heather. Remember Heather?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Ex wife.

[James Petregallo]

Nick's first wife. And a fucking indebted $1.5 million. $1.5 million to. Yeah. She contacts the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, recognizing the sketch as resembling Mindy, who she'd met briefly one time.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Who's controlling my $1.5 million?

[James Petregallo]

Exactly. She said that. She also said Nick fucking would accuse her of infidelity, which she denied. He would lie to her about money and never paid the settlement. Said he was manipulative. And also that that's his wife that's dead. Yeah. Now the cops don't know, so they don't. They need a DNA match. They're trying to figure this out. March 20, 2023. Nick claims his new Ford Explorer exploded.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What?

[James Petregallo]

Exploded into flames.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Ford exploder.

[James Petregallo]

And burned up with an $860,000 check inside.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, God damn it.

[James Petregallo]

That's horrifying.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, he's in a Ben Stiller movie.

[James Petregallo]

This is horrible.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Can't get a break.

[James Petregallo]

This guy can't catch a fucking break. So police through all this evidence, put a timeline together. Okay. They figure that the time of death was because they're looking into all this and we'll talk about why. But they're trying to figure out what Nick did here because they have a suspicion this is Mindy. So they wanted to look into Nick to see if they can investigate their way into finding out it's Mindy. So they figure out. Sunday. December 27th, is the medical examiner's day date of death. Estimated Monday the 28th is when he drove to the Bass Pro shop and purchases a seven piece deer processing kit.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, shit.

[James Petregallo]

Tuesday the 29th, Nick left the Savannah house that he was with with them at 8:50. He left at 8:30am 8:56am A Home Depot on Abercorn Street. He stops at purchases a Milwaukee insulation knife.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

Receipt shows Nicholas Casadis bought it. Surveillance shows him tucking the knife under his arm as he walked out. 9:30, he's driving south on the I95. 10:30am, stops at a Marathon gas station in Midway. Uses his debit card captured on surveillance. 11am, phone is turned off, goes dark. Okay, okay, but the thing is, this fucking moron didn't realize his Ford Explorer's Bluetooth is still on. And that keeps picking up location. Yeah, so your phone can be off all you want.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Never. Yeah. You got GPS in this truck? You're gonna figure it out.

[James Petregallo]

Absolutely. So it follows the GPS of the truck and shows exactly where he goes. At 11:15am the GPS on the Ford Explorer shows the truck entering the Portal Hunting Club via Jones Road. Uh oh. For the next two hours, the car remains in the vicinity of the hunting grounds. Pings show movement within a three mile radius. Right where all the body parts were found. Yeah, same area, same exact spots where the torso, legs and head are recovered. Exactly.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I mean this is easy.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. So they think, obviously if this is Mindy, he dismembered her with a fucking power tools from a deer processing kit and scattered these remains over three miles and buried the head for some reason.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

So at 1pm his phone turns back on 1:30, he's captured on Riceboro camera, a town camera, leaving the area. At 3 o', clock, he's back in Savannah getting his car washed.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, it needs a little scrub today.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, a little scrubbing in there. So not good. We'll just put it that way. Nick said later on this is where he was. He goes, well I don't know about any of that GPS stuff, but he said Jim told me to turn my phone off so my location couldn't be tracked.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Jim, Nick said that.

[James Petregallo]

He said, quote, Jim gave me GPS coordinates. I met a red headed man at a house. Gave him two totes with our clothes and belongings, laptops, makeup, things like that. He said he'd handle moving them. And then I went home, okay. And got a car wash first. So then they go in and they find blood on. They rip that Airbnb apart, they find blood, it's cleaned, lots of bleach, cleaned all over the place. But they find blood on the futon there. Okay, they have all of that and there's a two hour gap that he's gone with his phone and all that kind of shit. The Airbnb. Large blood stain on the futon where someone's head would rest. Blood had seeped through to the mattress. Luminol revealed blood on floor that had been cleaned up, blood spatter on walls that had been cleaned Up. And a missing rug that had been replaced with another rug because Nick said a dog vomited on it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What dog?

[James Petregallo]

Somebody's dog. We don't know. Heather still wants her $1.5 million. Of course, he has fake bank of America statements that everyone thinks are fake saying he has $32 million. Cameron Nelson has $200,000 in credit card payments. It's crazy, but his $860,000 cashier's check burned up in the car fire.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yep. Can't pay anybody back.

[James Petregallo]

Can't pay anybody back. So, April 2023, what's he do?

[Jimmy Wissman]

What's that?

[James Petregallo]

He marries Samantha.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What in the fuck?

[James Petregallo]

This whole time he's been hanging out with Samantha quite a bit.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

Going to meet her and she spending a weekend with her, I believe, and all that. Talking back and forth and setting up their big fantasy life. And he's sending her flowers and all this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And tires, evidently.

[James Petregallo]

And tires. May 11, 2023, the police through, they get DNA from Betsy to try to match Mindy. And they find out that body is Mindy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It is.

[James Petregallo]

She wasn't pregnant. Never once, never pregnant. No fetus, no evidence of a recent pregnancy, nothing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Was she claiming it too?

[James Petregallo]

That's the thing. Yeah. Oh, no, she was telling everybody she was pregnant. Oh, I'm pregnant, I'm pregnant. I got morning sickness, I got this, I got that. You can feel the baby kick, all that shit. She must have had some mean gas while that was going on. Anyway. May 12, 2023, in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Samantha and her new husband Nick are planning their life together. They're looking at buying a house in Lancaster. Everything's idyllic. Little dream world. By the way, he had changed his name already to Nicholas Killian James Stark. Legally, I believe he did it in Missouri. And he's arrested in Lancaster that day. They arrest him, there is no surprise on his face.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No surprise at all.

[James Petregallo]

No surprise. Not even a little bit. He just asks for water, waves his Miranda rights and talks for two hours. Oh, so I'll talk to you. Sure.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I got all the answers.

[James Petregallo]

I got nothing to hide. So his first interview is in Pennsylvania. His attorney, he should have been. He's an attorney, so he should have been saying, I'm not talking to you at all. Yeah, I know the law. But instead he tells everything. He talks all about Jim McIntyre. Cause you have to talk about Jim to talk about the background. He said he controlled everything. Our moves, our money, our lives. Said my father, Wayne wasn't really my father. Had DNA tests to prove it. Said Wayne was trying to kill us. So they said, well, where did Mindy die? And he says, a medical facility in Savannah. Which one? His answer? I don't remember the name.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I don't. Wouldn't you know?

[James Petregallo]

Wouldn't you know? You signed Doc. They didn't give you a piece of paper, like a receipt? One dead wife with a receipt on it. Oh, that was the other thing, too. Later on, he'll explain that he didn't get a death certificate from the cremation guy. He just said, I don't know. Neither of us had life insurance, so I didn't think it was something I needed.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God.

[James Petregallo]

Okay. So he said, I don't remember the name. The detective said, what was the doctor's name? How about that?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Anybody?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he said, I was never told.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She was keeping that from me.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, he was never told while he was there. Oh, at the birthing center. They said you never asked. And Nick said Jim said it wasn't safe to find out her doctor's name. Not safe. Okay. They said, why did you believe Jim McIntyre was paying for all these places that that happened? You know, you said you didn't run up these credit cards that Jim did. And he said, I believe that the money was being paid for us. I believe he was protecting us because of the investigation. They said, well, how did Jim McIntyre get Cameron's credit card information in order to have Cameron pay for all this? And he said, I have absolutely no idea.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Not my. That's not how you.

[James Petregallo]

They said, did you provide it to him? He said, I didn't. I did not. I did not, is what he said, which. Oh, that's not good. He said that Cameron provided me with a physical credit card as well as the billing address that I believe we were using for food from time to time, and two initial rents when we had first left our home. So then he tells them that he met. They said, well, what happened to your wife? Where's her body? Well, I met a guy on the side of the road. He gave me my wife's ashes. He said he was real mad at the guy, too. Guy's a dick. Two hours, never once mentions a baby.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Whoa.

[James Petregallo]

Never once mentioned shit about a baby pregnancy. Nothing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Cause he knows.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Never asks about it. Never comes up. So they extradite him back to Georgia, and on May 23rd or May 26th, he does another interview because he's a moron. He's a guy who thinks he is smart and these people are dumb and he can talk his way out of anything because they're stupid.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And that's what it is, because he's better than them.

[James Petregallo]

And the two cops that sit there couldn't be the more perfect guys to do this too, because they're both like older, big, fat redneck guys with real heavy accents and all that. So he thinks I am smarter than these fat fucking Southern hick sheriffs is what he's thinking. And he's not, by the way. So, anyway, I'm a JAG officer, I know better. He's much dumber, as a matter of fact. So they said, they get him down. They said, we found your wife's body parts, Nick.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh.

[James Petregallo]

And he said, quote, that's impossible, she was cremated. Well, they said, we have DNA confirmation, Nick. He said, jim must have lied to me. They said. They said. Then the cop says, nick, there is no Jim McIntyre. You made him up, didn't you? And he says, there is. He's real. I met him dozens of times. I know Jim McIntyre. They said, describe him. Describe him for him.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Here we go.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Now, this is the point when a guy is lying. Usually they describe whoever they're looking at, whoever's sitting there. Your brain can't help but do that. Instead, he says, this is amazing. Quote, average height, average build, average guy. This is the average guy. Changed appearance sometimes. So, average height, average build, looks different all the time. Shape shifter, Walk into a Walmart, pick out a guy who's 5, 10, could be Jim, nobody knows. So the detective said, how convenient.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Then they said, your phone was off, but your car kept pinging towers. Do you know that? Stupid. And there's a long pause, long pause, and he says, I didn't know cars could do that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Well, they do a lot of things now they used to. Not good.

[James Petregallo]

Dude, the look on his face is the same as Chris Watts. When they're showing. When that neighbor's showing that footage to the cops of him pulling his car back, it's the exact same look.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Like, does he put his hands behind the back of his head?

[James Petregallo]

He's seated, so he doesn't, but he would if he was standing felony socks himself. Wow. They said you're a cybersecurity lawyer and didn't know about Bluetooth.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, what a great thing to say right in his face.

[James Petregallo]

I'm a fat, dumb Hicks Southern sheriff and I know about Bluetooth, stupid. Yeah, guess who's the dumb one? Not me, dummy. So he says, I. Jim just told me to turn off my phone. That's what he says.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, God.

[James Petregallo]

So anyway, he said, so I was Asked not to have it on. He said, when I was in the area, my phone was with it. They said, you still had your phone when you went out to this place? He said, no, I had turned it off. And he said, well, my understanding was that I had to turn it off. I met the red headed man with electronics, hair stuff, a laptop, some books, clothing, toiletries for both of us. Mindy wanted makeup and perfume because she never goes out. She wants to get all made up and perfumed while she's eight months pregnant sitting in her house. He said things like that. So they said, did you kill your wife? Hey, Nick. Did you kill your wife, Nick? He said, no, sir. I swear to God, no, sir. No, sir. By the way, every question he answers, this interrogation's on YouTube. Every question he answers is, sir, I did not do that, sir. Sir. Cause he's a Navy guy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, right, right, right, sir.

[James Petregallo]

He answers everything with, sir, I don't know, sir. I'm not sure. Every single thing gets so fucking annoying after 10 minutes. Yeah, like, if I'm the cop, I go, all right, enough. Enough with the sir, we're going casual, casual Friday here. Call me Detective. Thank you. So he said, when's the last time you saw your wife? I saw her on Saturday. The Saturday after Thanksgiving. They said, you didn't kill her. And he said, I did not. Again. Did not. He said, no, sir. He said, you know, there's a lot of evidence. They said, do you know about the preponderance of evidence? Like, do you know that theory of this much evidence means you probably did it? And he said, yes, very well. You know, he's a lawyer. And the cop says, well, we're at a point way beyond the preponderance of evidence. Like, motherfucker, this isn't just a pile of shit making you look bad. Yeah, this is bad. And it's you. Yeah, we have your car pinging at the place where the body was buried.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

So not good. Yeah, so he said, I mean, you know, we have all this on video. You spent 45 minutes in this giant area up there, then you went here and you did that. And you know, what the fuck? And he says, well, Jim told me this, and Jim told me that. And they said, how do you know he exists?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yes.

[James Petregallo]

And he said, sir, Jim absolutely exists.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I've met him.

[James Petregallo]

I've met him. He's a big brown elephant with a long. With a long trunk. And he's only around when no one else is here, unfortunately. But his name is Snuffleupagus. And I swear he's real. That's what he just said?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

FBI Snuffalophagus. FBI. That's what he says. And he shows up places. He said, I don't know if that's his real name.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

But he absolutely exists.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sure.

[James Petregallo]

You know, he said, the things we've been, you know, we've been for years with this thing, you know, so, yeah, they said, they talk about all this. So they said you about talked. You testified with your ex wife when she took you to court that you had $32 million. And he said, yes, sir, that was true. I believed it was true, sir. They said you believed it was true.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How do you.

[James Petregallo]

I believed it was true.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. They said, what did you believe was true or why did you believe it was true? And he said, because I had documents that you provide that were provided to me that Jim gave me and all of that. And they said, tell me about Samantha. Yeah, where'd you meet Samantha? When did you meet him? And he said, I guess we were aware of each other for a while, like. But we started talking like we were fairly close. And. Yeah, you know, we got fairly close in November. In November, the same month this all happened. And he said that, you know, our online worlds got closer, and then Mindy got very sick. And they said, you continue to tell people the story that she died while pregnant. And he said, yes, sir, absolutely. He said, Starting in 2020, I would wake up in the morning, I'd take care of her, I'd rub her back. And they said she wasn't pregnant.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right. Why would you rub her back?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, she wasn't pregnant. And he said, sir, yes, she was. She was due in January. I rubbed her legs. And they said, she wasn't pregnant. She was not pregnant. She was not pregnant. They say it three times to him. And he said, no, sir, she was pregnant.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay?

[James Petregallo]

He said, even times that the cops said, even the times when you guys were saying she was pregnant, the doctors you're saying she went to, you don't know the names or any of the locations.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. That's so dumb.

[James Petregallo]

You never mentioned an actual doctor. What about the CVS pickups for medication? And he said, I would routinely pick up our medication if it's been prescribed by doctors. And, you know, he said, also her dad, I would pick up her. His medications if they were refills. He said, we did like a telehealth thing. That's where we got medications.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Petregallo]

They said, why'd you kill her? He said, sir, I didn't kill my wife.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right?

[James Petregallo]

They said, it's pretty clear. Yeah, it's pretty goddamn clear. They said, we've got a pretty clear picture that we show all of this, what we just told you about to a jury. This jury's gonna conclude you're fucking guilty, that you did it. Yeah. And he said, sir, I never ever, ever saw her after she died. I never hurt Mindy. He minimized it. And they said, you did hurt Mindy. And he said, I fed her. And they said, no. And he said, I, I. And they're trying to interrupt him. And he said, no, sir, no. And they said, did you discover she was lying about the pregnancy? Is that what happened? Is maybe that what it was? And he said, no, sir. He said, I thought she was pregnant. And they're like, okay, all right, interesting. So they're going off more about Jim. And they said, okay, so let me get this straight. Jim and the doctors, he said, you know, Jim talked to the doctors, all that Jim and the doctors conspired for this whole big thing and they killed your wife. That's what happened. And then they stop. He said, and then, because he tells them too, that he didn't have access to his Ford Explorer, he swapped cars with the red headed man. Oh, and that's who took him out. He said, I don't even know I had this guy's car. And they said, so let me get this straight. Doctors and an FBI agent conspired to kill your fake pregnant wife. So then you took all your stuff, gave it to a red headed man on the side of the road and exchanged cars with him, and that's what happened?

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's the craziest thing.

[James Petregallo]

He said, yes, sir.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's what you're saying.

[James Petregallo]

There you go.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Now you're catching on, guys.

[James Petregallo]

You're getting it. They're like, you're just gonna continue with this web of lies and the story, huh? Come on. They said, there's always a reason for things. They said, is the reason that you're just a vicious killer and decided to kill your wife? Is that reason or is there another reason? So are you a scumbag or is there a reason? Is this an accident? Give me a reason why. So he said, I've been trying to tell you. I've been trying to tell you about this. I stopped for gas. None of this is real. I stopped, I saw the house. They said, how long did you stay when you dropped off the stuff? He said, I'm not exactly sure. He said, what the fuck? What did you do? Where'd you place? He said, I just placed my stuff down and exchanged cars. He said, 30, 40ft off the roadway. And they said, that's not true. Sorry. And he said, that is absolutely true.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's so annoying.

[James Petregallo]

He said, that's not what happened. And his voice is like this, by the way.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really, sir.

[James Petregallo]

It's really, like, really, like, clipped and annoying. And he. In his police interview, he's like, heavyset. He's like a real heavyset guy. Later on, he's like, thin as shit. He looks like a different guy. It's so weird. Real weird. So anyway, they said, have you ever been on that property before, the hunting preserve? He said, there's cameras on 25,000 acres. It's a huge property, so, you know, they can get you. And you say you've never been there, but they have your car there. They said, for 40 minutes, you're there at the exact same spot where your wife's torso's found. The other stop is where you hit the ribs with the shovel. You can see where you hit the ribs. They're saying. So they're talking all about this shit. They said your buried skull gets covered in another exact spot that you were. Even the next spot with the leg, guess what? Your shit's there. Yeah. So it's, you know. Figure it out, man. So he's sitting there, very like. He's looking at him like they're crazy. That's the thing. He's like, what do you mean? No, no, sir. No, sir.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sir, you took the wrong car, bud. You're fucked.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. You're like, you went to Home Depot. He goes, the stops are recorded, captured by your car and corroborated by your cell phone till you turned them off.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You're fucked.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. He goes, it's so they said. The big question is, were you asked to go to a location to retrieve it? Okay, fine. You didn't kill her and transport her? Did something happen at the house that you can't talk about? And then you dealt with it from there? Would somebody else kill your wife? They tell you about it, and then you had to deal with it. And he said, sir, no, none of it. None of that happened. They said, we know what happened. He said, it's clear what happened.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We've got it.

[James Petregallo]

They're saying, so you're saying the GPS records are wrong and all the security camera stuff is wrong and all the DNA is wrong and everything is wrong except for you? That's right.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Every bit of information and evidence points to you, but you're Telling us we what? It's wrong, Timestamps are wrong, what's wrong, Everything's wrong.

[James Petregallo]

All electronic shit's wrong. Common sense is wrong.

[Jimmy Wissman]

My story is right. That's it.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. That's the only thing that's right. So then they take a different approach. They say, look, I've been doing this 28 years. The one guy says, he says, you know, I've been doing this and I don't watch a lot of them, but people watch the TV shows and stories. Sure, you know, he said, I read a lot of books that have these kind of stories in them, is what the cop says. He says, you have characters that you've envisioned maybe in your stories and some of your stories. Maybe this is part of it, maybe a fantasy and a story. He said, but any of this goes before a Georgia jury, you're going to prison. You're fucked. And so, yeah, he said, I've been doing this for years. I know how to put a puzzle together. You said you wanted full access to your lives. Did Jim tell you anything about how he was going to do that? And Nick says, he just. He kept us safe. He kept us safe. That's all he kept saying. They said, you bought. Then they say, why did you buy that knife, by the way? Yeah, the Milwaukee knife. And he said, well, I bought this knife because the Airbnb I was staying at had a screen I wanted to fix. There's a lot of us work a. We like to work on our Airbnbs while we're at them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Do a lot of handiwork at hotels.

[James Petregallo]

I was gonna say, when I go to a hotel, I leave, I do a deep clean before I leave. Really, it's spotless.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I really, you know, I like to install a new mini split. Sometimes I'll do some electric work. You don't know.

[James Petregallo]

Well, I bring two suitcases. I bring my stuff and then I bring a suitcase just full of cleaning supplies, collapsible vacuum things of that nature.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, collapsible table saw. Sometimes you got some two by fours.

[James Petregallo]

And trim ones work seven piece deer processing kit. You never know.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is deer spelled D, E A R? James?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, he's just going over and over and they keep basically going over everything. At one point he said that he had storage units and he had to go down to Florida because he had storage units. Some stuff got mailed to him, but the beer couldn't get mailed to him. Someone had given them a bunch of beer. I don't know. They said so you go from Florida to Montgomery, Alabama. You cashed a check for $5,000 cash withdrawal. And he said, yeah. And they said, hold on, but let's go back a second here. By the way, you're pressured to get away from this Airbnb and move out. Your car mysteriously burns with all your money in it, so you won't be able to close on a new house, apparently, you know, he said, was this time to look for a new wife, too? Oh. And he said, no, sir. He said, what was your plan from there? He said, I planned from there because I was expecting more money. And he said that Jim told me the things I had to lie about to keep myself safe. They said, do you lie then, to keep things safe from your dad? And he said, yes. Yes, sir. So he said, you're worried about this dad, your dad, and he's such a bad guy that you're terrified by that you've gone through in all these years, living off everybody else's finances, being a burden on everybody, basically. And then you get locked up. Do you reach out to your parents, who you haven't talked to and you don't like? And he says, I reached out and said, you know, he's reached out before. They say your story is just. It's just not right. You're going to get the knife to prepare this, to fix the screen and things. You're fixing a place you're going to leave that you don't own. And he said, yes, sir. We wanted to leave it in the best condition possible. My rating has to be good. So it's fucking crazy, man. So they talk about all this shit they keep going on, and they keep him there for a long time. And they go, there's evidence that's proof beyond a reasonable doubt. We've gone beyond all this shit. He goes, I went back and verified your story, and your entire story's a lie. So help me at this point, go and explain to me why you can continuously lie and that means you didn't kill your wife. He said, you lied to me, you lied to Cameron, you lied to your family. If you were told your wife would die, you would remember that. If you walked in, your wife was dead, you'd remember who told you where it was. They said you weren't allowed to see your wife and found out she was cremated later. You don't think as an attorney that that's a wrong thing that happened there? So he said, I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about, sir. I Didn't do anything, sir. And then they said, excellent. You're under arrest. Charged with malice murder, felony murder, aggravated assault, tampering with evidence, removal of a body part from a scene of death, and dismemberment.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Those are serious charges, sir.

[James Petregallo]

Very serious charges. After his arrest, Samantha, after talking to the cops, learned the truth about everything. His wife wasn't dead in 2020. He fucking killed her in 20. 22.

[Jimmy Wissman]

22, yeah.

[James Petregallo]

She gets an annulment. She annuls the marriage in May of 20.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right after he marries you, you son of a bitch.

[James Petregallo]

Hell, no. She talked about his lies to her, including a suspicious car fire that destroyed the check that they were gonna purchase a house with.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You can get that back. You can put a stop payment on it.

[James Petregallo]

It's a cashier's check, Jimmy. You can't get it back. He thought of everything. It's so stupid. That's what I mean. It's dumb as shit.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I mean, you could still get a stop payment on that, right?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. Probably get a reissue on a stock. I'm not sure. I don't know how that works exactly. So she said. She is forever haunted by the ordeal. That'll be good for your writing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Certainly gonna help.

[James Petregallo]

You're gonna write some shit now. Pretrial here. Okay. The lawyer said, it's my intention, your honor, not to be gruesome, but rather to be strictly and solely forensically informative to the jury. They're trying to figure out what they're gonna allow into court as far as certain things, because the defense is saying they're just gonna let in all these gruesome things. They're gonna put her head up in a certain spot that makes it look creepy and all that kind of shit. So the court debated also whether testimony from one of Nick's ex wives should be allowed as well. This is the heather with the $1.5 million. So they're alleging that all of this on the run shit was just to escape the fucking process servers chasing him for payments for the wife and for. Because he hasn't paid his wife $1.5 million.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's all this is about.

[James Petregallo]

That's what they're saying. The prosecution's like, that's what this is about. That's what all this moving is, is that. And you know, and you have to. You kept your wife on edge so she would believe you. Yeah, because she would say, well, why don't you just pay her? We have $32 million.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And she found out he doesn't have.

[James Petregallo]

Any money, possibly or he found out she wasn't pregnant, or the pregnancy was a ruse that they planned together. Who knows? Yeah, we don't know. That's the thing. She was not pregnant. And they both were saying she was pregnant all the time. So she's in on this. She knows whether she's pregnant or not. He can't show up and say, Jim McIntyre says you're pregnant. That's not gonna work. She's gonna probably want some independent verification on that. So, yeah, that's what they allege here. Now, the defense argues that the couple was fleeing from someone else, an individual named Jim McIntyre who is controlling their finances. He said they were living, moving every few days, few weeks, few months, under control of this person. Will keep calling Jim McIntyre. While the state says that's a fabrication, it's clearly not a fabrication that he makes up after the fact because he and Mindy told people about what was going on, why they were on the run, and everything else. Prosecutors dismissed the Jim McIntyre story as, quote, a CIA conspiracy type theory type argument.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

And they also requested a judge, that the judge allow a target receipt as evidence. He said, there's a target receipt that the defendant purchases on his way to meet with Samantha Colesmith, his third wife, where he purchased condoms and Old Spice within days of his wife being deceased. I'm going to smell like an old man. And fuck Old Spice. That's what you're putting on.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Still wears it.

[James Petregallo]

Try to get new pussy. What are you doing?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, new pussy. Same cologne.

[James Petregallo]

No way. So that's interesting. The defense said, I don't know the relevance of Mr. Cossotis other than for color, the relevance of Mr. Cassotis buying condoms and Old Spice. But I'll get to that at a point in time. So they're gonna allow some. Not allow some shit. Okay. August 2025. Here comes the trial. And this is all on YouTube. It is the entire trial, and it is riveting and mesmerizing. And I definitely suggest you watch it because the prosecutor is awesome in this. This lady, the way she grills him is tremendous. It's cool as shit. So trial here. The prosecution says he had evidence handling and crime scene cleanup knowledge. As a former prosecutor, he understood forensic evidence, chain of custody, how investigators build cases. Prosecutors in the trial argued that his experience as a prosecutor meant he knew how to clean a crime scene. He knew what they were looking for, which is true. He said that he dismembered Mindy's body, possibly using tools like a deer processing kit, scattered the remains over A three mile radius in the remote woods. Wiped down the items like knives and storage totes with disinfectant wipes, leaving no recoverable DNA on most of the stuff. And cleaned blood from their Savannah rental home using chemicals like Blue Star, Blue Star, Ragent. I don't know what. Oh, agent. Okay. Investigators also found only small traces on the futon and the wall of that. So he turned his phone off during key times to avoid tracking, showing his awareness of digital forensics. His Navy JAG status lent him authority and trust, making it easier to deceive others without immediate suspicion. Friends loaned him $200,000 as one friend family believed the threats, and he quickly remarried. By posing as a widower, they said. The prosecution emphasized how his background allowed him to capitalize on on opportunity and create consciousness of guilt through lies that plugged holes in his story. That's what they said he said. December 2, 2022. Hunters found a headless, legless torso. Nude. Completely nude in court. That's an extra jab. The knife was purchased by Nicholas James Cosodis at 8:56am on the morning her body was dumped. I submit to you that the. The killer was a prosecutor. He would have known how to clean up. Nowadays, though, everybody knows how to clean up because we've all seen every show in the world here. She was found on December 2. He was already engaged by February, already married again by April. Bring your common sense, follow the law, and give justice to Mindy Cosodis. Sure. Okay. The defense says, quote, Mr. Cosodis is not just an accomplished attorney and decorated JAG officer. He's also a man who lived in fear. Relentless, all consuming fear. A man calling himself Jim McIntyre claimed to be with the FBI, told them their lives were in danger. He lied for years. Not because he wanted to deceive them, but because he believed their lives were dependent on it. Meaning Nick telling his family they were living, moving every few weeks, every few months, all that kind of shit. So, anyway, he said, Jim is real. They get Betsy on the stand. The prosecutor said, was Mindy working? She said no, she was not. They asked why and Betsy said she was scared to death to leave the house. They supposedly had people after them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Medical examiner provides graphic testimony on the autopsy describing how the body was drained of blood due to dismemberment across the femurs, severing major arteries. He detailed nine head lacerations, the skull fracture, abdominal, chest cuts, bruising, defensive wounds on arms and hands, indicating she fought back. Toxicology on liver tissue due to a lack of blood Showed a non lethal dose of Benadryl in her system.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, she took some beds, some allergies or something. There's no evidence of pregnancy or a fetus. The medical examiner said no trace of a fetus. She was not pregnant. The prosecutor said her parents thought she was eight months pregnant. The medical examiner said that's what they were told. I don't know. I'm a doctor. I go in, there's no baby. That's all. I don't give a shit what people tell anybody. On cross examination, he acknowledged the head wounds would produce significant blood, but only small amounts were found at the home. Defense suggested that futon blood could be menstrual.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

She. She flowed all the way through everything, man. She was flowing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, she comes out of her head sometimes times she's bleeding from everywhere.

[James Petregallo]

From everywhere. An investigator detailed his purchases. The knife, the deer processing kit, a shovel and Hammer on November 4, suggesting you use that to bury the head. That's. So he waited till then. And cleaning supplies and gloves. On August 16, a DNA analyst confirmed human blood on the knife. And totes but an insignificant amounts. Insufficient amounts for profiles. They get a tool mark examiner. This said that the scene knife wasn't used for dismemberment. The Milwaukee knife wasn't. A similar deer processing kit. Saw couldn't be eliminated, but marking suggested a power tool, not a hand saw. Okay, okay. So he might have thought, I can do this with this deer processing kit. And then said, this is harder than I thought. Yeah, I better get out the Makita. This is bad.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He needs. Yeah, he needs an Instagram account. Seeing how they field dress and butcher those things. Yeah, you can't do it in your garage.

[James Petregallo]

And he doesn't hunt at all, by the way. He's never been hunting, so he doesn't know anything about. They even ask him that. So. FBI analyst James Bernie tracked his car near the Home Depot in the hunting club on November 29 with the two hour phone blackout, implying he avoided, you know, tracking while he was dumping. The defense argued the cell data was imprecise. Oh, yeah, he was 100 yards away from where his wife's head was. He didn't bury it. Huge coincidence that he happened to be just hanging out in the middle of.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nowhere when he followed him and then saw where he stopped and threw body parts there.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. The Airbnb owner testified noticing a missing den rug after the family moved out that had been replaced by a similar, cheaper one, implying a cleanup. Then this dipshit testifies and awesome. Oh, Boy, he has to testify.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Got no choice because it looks terrible.

[James Petregallo]

And he's gotta be convincing in this bullshit story of his. So he took the stand. He swore it was Jim McIntyre orchestrating everything. He said that the meeting was in late 2017. FBI agent comes to our door, overseas hackers, blah, blah, blah. He managed everything. He said I had $32 million from software work. I kept it in a trust for safety. I saw documents, bank documents. Everything. Bank statements. Everything looked real. Jim said Wayne wasn't my biological father. He had DNA tests. Said Wayne was behind the threats, that he wanted me back but would kill Mindy. Mindy told me she was pregnant. I believed her. We lost a baby in 2021. This was our miracle. He said that on December 1, the man at the birthing center said she died suddenly. Stroke, maybe. I begged to see her. He said she was already being autopsied. Then he met a stranger by the roadside in Alabama to purchase the. That, by the way, during the trial. Here is the part where they talk about when he went to the hospital and when he said, I was not happy with that care, I was very unhappy with the care. The entire crowd laughed. The entire. Dude. It was like he fucking crushed. He hit a joke that landed. The whole fucking gallery laughed at him when he said that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I was not happy.

[James Petregallo]

I was not happy with that care. Everybody laughed. And he was dead fucking serious. He was so funny.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He thought that was gonna hit different.

[James Petregallo]

Several times during the trial. He says such a crazy lie that everyone laughs. Wow. Not gasps, not fucking goes. Laughs out loud like it's unbelievable. Ridiculous. About the deer processing kit purchase. He said, Mindy texted me, said it'd be a perfect Christmas gift for her brother Matthew. He loves hunting. Matthew testifies he never received it, knew nothing about it. Nick's not a hunter. He never hunted, so he didn't know. He admitted buying the knife, shovel, deer kit traveling the route, but he claimed the phone was off per safety. Anyway, they said, why'd you believe Mindy to be pregnant? He said, Mindy told me she was pregnant. And he said, yeah, she took a test and it was positive. Did you see the test? I don't know if I saw that test. I had seen a test before, but I may have, I may not have. I've seen tests, I just don't. I've seen tests, you know, things. He said, had she ever been pregnant before? He said, the year before, they said, at some point, did you travel down to the Liberty county area? That's Riceboro, I believe so. Why this was on Tuesday, I believe Monday, or Tuesday. I believe it was Tuesday based on the other things. And I had been told to bring those two bins that we had to a house. I assumed it was someone who worked at this birthing center or someone Jim was familiar with. You didn't even know who you were giving all your shit to?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Either somebody at a birthing center. That's real vague in Savannah. Or, you know, Jim knows someone is somebody.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. He said at this point, and this was something we've done before, where we were going from point A to point B, and some of our stuff went to point C in between. So I brought them down.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Give me any contact information for Jim. How do you.

[James Petregallo]

How do you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Does he just pop into your life and go, here I am. I need you to.

[James Petregallo]

He contacts you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

You look up in the sky, there's a message written by a. By a fucking crop duster. You never know. He said, I met with a gentleman and delivered them to him. A gentleman. What vehicle were you driving? My Ford Explorer. It was a 2022 for a screen. He said, what man did you meet with? I don't know his name. I was just directed to go to him and to deliver this. To deliver what again? Two totes full of personal items, things we'd need for a couple days that I've been asked. You know, toiletries, some clothes, shoes, some books, things of that nature. Okay, where'd you deliver them to? I'm not exactly sure. The ginger, he has no idea where he's gone. Yeah, he said it was a house, I presume, somewhere in greater Liberty county area, but I'm not exactly sure. He likes saying somewhere in the greater area. Yeah, he said, how'd you know where to deliver these, then? How did you get there? And they said, I was given an address of a church, and I was told to use that as a waypoint. Then I was given GPS coordinates around a waypoint. A waypoint, wow. We move like overseas. Armaments and shit. In less secret areas.

[Jimmy Wissman]

In much more specific areas.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah. This is so secretive for that. He said, I was told to turn off my phone because of concerns that could be tracked. They said, so how did you get to the location without use of your phone? And he said, mindy and I had a gps, an old Garmin GPS that always been kind of our backup. One of those old Stick it to the windshield ones there, like a Tom Tom. He said, if, you know, if you lose cell coverage or something like that, if you're somewhere, then we can Keep that with us, actually, for a long term. They said, where's the GPS now? He said, I believe it burned up in my car.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I believe.

[James Petregallo]

Don't have it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It must have exploded along with my check.

[James Petregallo]

Well, they said, where's the shovel you purchased November 4th at Home Depot? He said, I believe it was either. Well, I know it was either given to Frank iii, dad, father in law, or it was left at the house on East 65th Street. They said, well, we have receipts and photos of you buying a Milwaukee knife. And he said, I did. Why were you buying the knife? One of the screens that I had put in place, the one in the living room with the TV where Frank and Betsy spent most of their time, there was something weird about it. Yeah, so I'm going to go buy something and fix it in an Airbnb that I pay $4,500 a month for. Call somebody, tell them about it. He said, it looked like it had been damaged when it was initially installed, but it would hang out quite often. And I was having a very hard time keeping the netting on it and keeping it secured up there. So I was looking for something with that kind of long and thin. I thought I could trim it back, trim back the netting without causing further damage to this and hopefully get it to sit up there. This was one of Mindy's big things. Always like every place we live, you know, even though there are vacation rentals, we should leave it in a better condition than we found it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's a great rule of thumb for everywhere.

[James Petregallo]

It is. I like to fully detail a rental car after I have it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I need it to really just go over it sometimes. I'll replace the wheels if there's a scratch.

[James Petregallo]

Definitely a tire.

[Jimmy Wissman]

If it's balding, new paint job. If there's transmission. Yeah. If there's time, anything.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, man.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They said, the air filters will be replaced. I promise that.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, yeah. They said, you're not a hunter. I'm not. So they said, why would you buy a deer processing kit at Bass Pro.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Shop just like them?

[James Petregallo]

And he said, talked about the Christmas gift and all that. They said, also, where. Where is that set of knives? He said, I believe I left that at the property when I departed. I left some things there that were kind of upsetting to see. You know, some of Mindy's things. Excuse me. Some of Mindy's goods, some things that she had picked out, and I believe that Mr. McIntyre was coming to pick them up and store them with the rest of our belongings. I said, where's that Milwaukee knife you purchased? Yeah, he said, the Milwaukee knife was even either left in my car when it burned. It's so convenient. Everything could be in the car when it burned or left in my storage unit in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. They said, okay, why were Mindy's ashes in Alabama?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yes.

[James Petregallo]

By the way, his story's so crazy. This is his lawyer asking him these questions because he's gotta clear them up.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And this is on the stand. This is so dumb.

[James Petregallo]

This is on the fucking stand. And he looks like, I don't know why anybody wouldn't believe me. And he's one of these guys, too, that he gets the question, then turns to the jury to answer it, like, fucking Amber Heard.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Why'd you shit on the bed, sir?

[James Petregallo]

Yep. Lot of weird blinky shit, too. A lot of weird blinking he does. He's a weird blinker, this guy. He said, I have no idea where Mindy had been cremated. That was information I got third hand from Mr. McIntyre. Then I received a phone call from a gentleman who said, you know, I had to arrange to pick them up. And we were discussing where that would be. Turns out it would be Montgomery, Alabama. And he said, what did he give you there? He gave me a bag, said it contained Mindy's ashes and contained her engagement and wedding ring. They said, what, if anything, did you give him? I gave him $5,000 in cash I withdrew that morning from the Renaissance bank in Montgomery. Did he give you any additional paperwork? Yeah, he said he did not, no. Did he give you a death certificate? He did not, no.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Got nothing.

[James Petregallo]

Did you ask for a death certificate? No, he said, I asked at one point, I asked Mr. McIntyre if I could get one because Jim McIntyre, FBI agent's in charge of the coroner's office. Like, what are you talking about? It's a death certificate. He said, but given that we had no life insurance, it wasn't something that I needed for anything. It was just something I wanted to have. And I failed to follow up on it. You know, the draw of new tits and all. So they said you both had no life insurance. We both had no life insurance. And they're saying that to say, so you had no real motivation to kill her. Right.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Petregallo]

Other than you met a chick that same fucking month that you started hanging out with and you dug and all this shit. So they said, where'd you go after Alabama? St. Louis, Missouri, he says.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Arrived there the next night. He said, I did work for APIs there, this company, by the way. They still cannot as of this Court fucking thing that happened four months ago, still never found that to be a real company.

[Jimmy Wissman]

APIs doesn't exist.

[James Petregallo]

Maybe it does. It's a super secret covert whatever, but not on the books, it doesn't. And he said, I also filed to change my name. They said, where did you file to change your name? And he said, I went down and I filled out the paperwork and all that kind of shit. So he said that it was kind of the culmination of our. Everything we were going through, him and Samantha now, that if we change our names too soon, that our name change would be figured out and then we'd have to go through the whole process again. But that was kind of the last thing we would do, would be changing our last name so that we could not be found. And they said, and you saw paperwork where you changed your name. And he said, actually, physically. Well, I went to two courthouses, but because I went to the wrong courthouse first, but I physically filed the paperwork myself.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This is so frustrating.

[James Petregallo]

It is on cross examination now. Wow. This prosecutor is just like. The look on her face is like, so lying shitbag. Let me ask you this. He'll say a lie and she'll just look at the jury like, really, none of us are buying this shit, right? He said to her, jim told me I had $32 million. Did you verify that? He said, I believed it was true.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Where are your W2s proving that you've made this money? What are you talking about?

[James Petregallo]

The prosecutor said, you're an attorney with two law degrees, right? And he said, yes, ma'. Am. Like, wow, you're pretty fucking dumb. He said, you're a JAG officer who verified everything. Yes, ma'. Am. But never verified Jim was FBI. And he said, well, Mindy saw a badge and they said, never got a death certificate. He said, didn't need one. No life insurance, never got the doctor's name. He said, I was in shock. And she goes, you have two law degrees? Yes, ma'. Am. Okay. And brought zero documents to prove any of the things you're saying. Literally anything you're saying. You've got zero documentation. And he said, quote, they were destroyed in the car.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The Ford exploder.

[James Petregallo]

They said, well, how convenient. And she said that with a stank eye. Turned to the jury like, can you believe this lying sack of shit?

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'd be going to Ford and asking, how many of your explorers from 22 explode?

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, just the one. He's saying the people exploded it on purpose.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It wasn't a mechanical fucking problem.

[James Petregallo]

He's Being hunted.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It was arson, but it wasn't me arsoning. It was them.

[James Petregallo]

Arson. No, no, no. Them arsoning. Yeah. So they said, you never asked about the baby.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, right.

[James Petregallo]

And he said, I what? That's his response. What's that now? She said, two hours with police, never asked about your unborn child. He sits there silent for like, three seconds. She said, because you knew there was no baby.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yes.

[James Petregallo]

And he said, that's not true. And the prosecutor said, because you killed her when you found out she lied. That's what they're thinking happened here. He was like. He found that new woman and was like, man, I wish I could kill my wife. But she's pregnant. She's got a baby coming. All this. Then he found out she's not pregnant. He's like, I'll kill her then.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Great. Certainly kill her.

[James Petregallo]

Yup. Closing arguments here. Okay, prosecution, nine strikes to the head, dismemberment, disposal in the woods. These are not the acts of a man running from shadows. He wanted children. Mindy knew if he found out she wasn't pregnant, she'd lose him. That's why you bury a head. That's why you stab her in the belly. Ooh. Yup. The defense said he lived the Jim McIntyre Story for years before arrest. You can't make that up retroactively. They're saying he didn't just make it up after his wife was dead. He's been talking about her for years. He said the state can't tell you how she died. I think they just did.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. I mean, she's got her head's beat in, she's got stab wounds, she's been cut up.

[James Petregallo]

Can't tell you where she died. Well, they found blood spatter and stuff. Just because you said she had a heavy period. All the way down to the futon cushion.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, Futon got to the pad. It's to the good.

[James Petregallo]

Can't link that specific knife to the murder. Ladies and gentlemen, open and shut. Not guilty case. That's it. That's all. What we should really be doing is putting Jim McIntyre up here and making him go through.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Find him. Yeah.

[James Petregallo]

The jury deliberates for 72 minutes. Minutes, minutes. Not long hours. An hour, 12. They didn't even get, like their fucking pizza.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Couldn't even finish a whole movie.

[James Petregallo]

Nope. They found him guilty on all 12 counts.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All right.

[James Petregallo]

Malice murder, felony murder, aggravated assault, concealing death, possession of a knife during a felony count 6 through 10 of possession of tools during a crime, removal of body parts, tampering with evidence.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Petregallo]

Fucked is what that is. Victim impact statements. During sentencing, Mindy's sister in law said, quote, you're a sociopath and a psychopath. You thought you were smarter than everyone. Mindy was bright, generous, funny. Everything you're not. You dimmed her light. Slowly, strategically isolated her from everyone who loved her. That's good. That's good. Mindy's best friend, Morgan Paddock said she lived every day in fear because of your lies. The Jim McIntyre story, that was you. The threats, that was you. The danger she feared, that was. You know, there's no proof of any kind that Jim McIntyre ever existed or anyone from the FBI ever talked to him or anything else. Wow. And he's saying that's cause it's covert and they're hiding it now. And you know how it goes. So you know the matrix and all? Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So isn't the CIA that does that, not the FBI?

[James Petregallo]

Yes, that's why they called it CIA. Conspiracy theory type stuff. I mean the FBI too, but you know how it goes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They'Re not good at anything.

[James Petregallo]

So Samantha, the new ex wife, testifies saying she was victimized and deceived. Also, her statement read in court said this. I feel raped by him. I was not allowed to consent to a romantic and intimate relationship with Nicholas because he lied about his entire identity. There was no opportunity for true consent. He's a murderer. How about that? What are we parsing?

[Jimmy Wissman]

She's a victim.

[James Petregallo]

Splitting rape hairs. What are we talking about here? Yeah, there's a lot of people.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I let the wrong guy fuck me.

[James Petregallo]

Yeah, let's look at the scale here. Who's been lied to more? Yeah, she got lied to and it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sucks, but unfortunately that's not what rape is. But okay.

[James Petregallo]

No, no, no, no. That's weird. So I guess she could feel like that. But you can't say that in court. Especially when we're here to talk about a poor woman who's been killed and dismembered like you are. You're not a victim.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Almost every, every dude on Tinder would be arrested for rape, for lying their.

[James Petregallo]

Ass off to get laid about everything. No shit. So Nicholas, mom here, she described him as a calm, gentle man incapable of violence, insisting, quote, the jury got this one wrong.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really?

[James Petregallo]

Really. She highlighted the lack of direct evidence and belief in his innocence. Despite the conviction. She said, they don't know the boy who helped underprivileged children in South America. This isn't possible. We feel incredible sympathy for Mindy's family. Nicholas was not responsible for this. We Know him to be a kind and gentle person. Now, Nick's dad, who, by the way, in court they verify is his real fucking father with DNA tests, all of that is bullshit, too. This poor guy. They're in court every day, sitting there, every fucking day, sitting there supporting him while they talk about how he's not his real father. He said, I respect the jury's work, but with all due respect, they got this wrong. The person sitting there couldn't take someone's life. The judge disagrees. Judge Charles Rose. Old Charlie Rose here sits him down with a black background and has a little jet. He says that he dismissed the defendant's story about Jim McIntyre, called him a fictional character who does not exist, and stated that the case was supported by a mountain of compelling evidence. Mr. Cassotis, you created a web of lies that you got yourself tangled in. You wrote fiction and your life became fiction. But Mindy's death was real. The wound patterns show rage. The dismemberment shows calculation. The burial of just the head shows something else. Yeah, shame, perhaps, or the inability to look at what you've done. This case reveals a level of depravity that shocks the conscience. You didn't just kill her. You erased her, scattered her, tried to make her disappear. All her hopes and dreams dashed in an instant by the one person who vowed to protect her. You, sir, may fuck off. That's a good one there. Maximum penalty, life in prison without the possibility of parole, plus 25 years consecutively served on that. So once you're dead, another 25. Great. One juror said the jury foreman said that there was no McIntyre evidence. They never believed that he existed for a second and called the acts unspeakable and said he got everything he deserved. So, no, Jim McIntyre did not fucking exist. He made this entire guy up to his entire. Think about that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. He's a terrible person.

[James Petregallo]

Terrible. Yeah. No witnesses ever saw him, no FBI record, no record located.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This would have never happened if he didn't brag about being rich as shit.

[James Petregallo]

That's it. That's all he had to do was shut the fuck up. All communication through changing phone numbers controlled millions that never existed. We don't know why Mindy would fake this pregnancy or if that's. Or if that was something they cooked up together. We don't know. And we'll.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He may have convinced her to do that, saying we could get out of.

[James Petregallo]

Who knows?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Whatever. Just pretend that you're pregnant and I'll get you pregnant later. I don't know.

[James Petregallo]

But she gained a bunch of weight. So maybe she was trying. Maybe they were doing it. We don't know if they were in it together because he couldn't say that on the stand because that would show that he knew that she wasn't really pregnant, which she already said he didn't. So we don't know how much did Mindy know? Her family said she believed the whole story and lived in genuine fear, but who knows? She told her friends on signal she feared for her safety. Who the hell knows? Either way, that is Riceboro, Georgia, and one of the craziest. I'm telling you, that trial is riveting.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I mean, the, the, the, the pregnancy is what I'm most concerned with.

[James Petregallo]

Oh, it's insane.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I need to know why and how. But he is a bad, bad guy.

[James Petregallo]

Dangerous makes dangerous. And now he's in prison forever. If you like that story, get on whatever app you're on. Give us five stars. It helps the show immensely. I have no idea why, but it does. So do that. Definitely. Head over to shut upandgivememurder.com get your tickets for live shows one coming up that you can get tickets for this Saturday, if you're listening. This week it is October 18th in Seattle at the Moore. Few tickets left for it. They issued a low ticket warning. So let's get in there and get those last few and sell it out. It's a beautiful venue. We can't wait. Get your tickets. Also, if you can't make a live show, or even if you can, you want to see another one, a different one. We are gonna have the Halloween virtual live show. It is Thursday, October 30th. It's available for two weeks after that as well. So you can purchase it anytime in there. You can purchase it on the night of. Watch it a hundred times if you want. Wait a week to watch it. Do whatever you want with it. And that can be accessed by anybody on the planet earth with Internet. So do that and watch us just like a regular live show, except we're wearing costumes and you're in your living room. So it's pretty damn cool. Check that out. Shut upandgivemerder.com, get your merchandise while you're there. Follow us on social media, smalltownmurder on Instagram, Small Town Pod on Facebook. Get yourself Patreon.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh yes.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

This executive producer, Jamie Kadrovich. Gary Howard. In Kansas, I think. Tara Thurlby Muskovich, Johnny Nami. Thank you all so much. You're fantastic people.

[James Petregallo]

You are the shit. Thank you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Other producers this week. Peyton Meadows, Abigail Gathered. Stephanie Addison, Ryan Bender. Happy hour checking in. And Conroe, Texas. I think he's home right now. Janice Hill. Michelle Mishka. Arioli Wolfenden. Dana McEnroe. Caitlin with no last name. Marley would know last name. Jen McMurphy. Matt McDonald spelled like Norm. Elizabeth Eden. Megan. Megan. Megan O'. Brien. Evan Pasco. Coyote Bongwater. I don't know what that means. That's.

[James Petregallo]

I don't either, but okay.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Smuggling it. Patrick with no last name. Todd Barton. Chelsea. Later. Golden Girl. Jordan with no last name. Eden Cyrus. Lily Massey. Hello, Lily. Nicholas Vargas. Janice with no last name. Lori. Boren. Aislin with no last name. Jennifer Hart. Brittany Quiggle. Steve Curtin. Annie Olson. Christiana with no last name. Jennifer Johnson. Da. The letters. DNA. Colleen Watson. Brenna Casanova. Michael Carpenter. Aaron Tanner. Darlene Rolfe. Haley. Oh, boy. Landfire Lanfear. Amanda Nishi. Jeff Seahorn. Dana. Danny. Danny Foster. Candace Galkin. Linda Fowler. Philip Hartman. Probably not. More than likely not.

[James Petregallo]

I would assume not.

[Jimmy Wissman]

100% we know it's not. Unless it's juice. Jalen Heckle, Natalie Deschner. Eric with no last name. Leslie Ann McCaskill. Paige Leby. Tyler Dennis. Kathy with no last name. Whitney with the letter spelled like a knee. I don't think that's right.

[James Petregallo]

Whitney.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I don't think that's real. But it's. That's how they spelled it. Trey Highlights puzzle with no last name. Yeah, yeah. Wit. Point to the head. Michael Lawson. Unicorn Princess. Jessica Cavalier. Diana with no last name. Maddie Hamilton. Ari would know last name. Lindsay Blix, Shannon Jimenez. Jamie or Jaime Kate. Crystal Reavis Delaney Gardner. Virginia Higdon Bacon. Rebecca Mulford. The sick, nasty 54. I don't know what that is. Is that a move?

[James Petregallo]

I don't know. Yeah, I think that's the kids are doing. If there's a deck of 52 cards, that's the 54th move. It's real deep.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yes. You got to use the both jokers for that one.

[James Petregallo]

It's Wild.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Anna Lewis. Steffi C. Brianna Pinkston. Katie Solomon. Destiny. Destiny Sassman. One true legend. Shane Dahl. Kaden. Kaden. Kate Kaden. Is that Caitlin? I may have missed a letter there. There's no way that's Caden. K, A, T, E, Y, N. That's not.

[James Petregallo]

I've never seen it like that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Graham. It's probably Caitlyn. Graham. There's no way it's Kaden. All right, Tammy.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Caden Kinison. Yeah. It's a different spelling than Sam, though. Julie Ann Wood. Ed Janaski. Janiski Lindsay Pruden, Sean Fried or Freed Healy. Crop. Jesse Adams. Shannon Wiggins, Samantha G. Nicole Rosa. Now Alicia Ander Lee Sierra Araz. Arose Jarrell. Ian Barrier, Kiefer Pace. Mama Cat Agneski As. No. Agnes Lynn. Not gonna do it. John Rita. Deanna. Dina Shay. Jason Peters. Crystal M. Nope. N. The letter N. Madison with no last name. Tiffany Harrison. Tina Ribenaki. Ribenaci Rubenacci. Rubenache. Sarah Klinger. Carson Hoffart. The word fart is in your name.

[James Petregallo]

That's great.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That is fucked up.

[James Petregallo]

Terrific.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Jesse Parrot.

[James Petregallo]

Never got brought up in school.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm sure sure you were never made fun of for that. Ho. Fart. That's what they called you. Hose fart. Eric Gerard. Sadie Jones. Peruse Pirus with no last name. Sadie Jones. Dara. Dara Thornhill. Susie with no last name. Virgie. Virgie leone. Leon Michael McStott. Jeff Page. Michelle with no last name. Promise with no last name. Landon Huffman. Kate Matthews. Brandon Horton. Raven Landau. Ayala Tim Ellis. Sean Dwyer. Dagwood Would know. Last name. Shannon Pranger. Taylor Dawson. John Chalk. Crazy for murder. That's fun. Beverly Smith. Josh Gendron. Jen Gendron. Lozio with no last name. Tyrell Peterson. Laura. Nope. That's Tara Johnson. Julie Brown. Susie. Oh, like downtown. Susie Espinosa. Kristen Lane. Jesse Senziba. Daniel Sigman. Mike with no last name. Sarah Roberts. Haley Hale. It's probably Haley o'. Neill. Lynn Gerking. Ashley Old. Old Ham Gross. Kayla Angela Martin. Oza Olzewski. Ellen Elon with no last name Keith with no last name. Haley Fuel, Heidi Gempler, Elena Worshnig, Tanya Averill. Averill the Steel Artisan. Amanda Hit Shyler Winning Jolene Jackson, Rachelle with no last name. Perhaps Rachel Josh Hayes, Casey Thier, Amy Amy Schoff Kick and L. Kaiken Kaken. I don't want to go too far with that. Ed Riceman, Meg Patel Petal Christy Sanford, Jen Faria, Michelle Rama. These are fucked up. This week.

[James Petregallo]

This week.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Kathy Grope, Possibly grop. Julie Mack McCormick, Jasmine Lamy, Chloe Ali Sarnac, Steve Wart, Warfel Fria Frasier with no last name. Leslie Fry, Christine Anderson, Gabrielle Stevens, Jarrett Logan, Liz with no last name Renee Martinez, Amanda Marie or Marie Mary. And all of our patrons love you so much. Thanks.

[James Petregallo]

Thank you. Thank you so much, everybody. You fantastic sons of bitches. We appreciate the shit out of you. We appreciate everything that you do for us all the time. Thank you for just everything. We really, really do appreciate you. You want to follow us on social media, you can do that easily. Shut up and give me murder.com has a dropdown menu. Keep doing that and keep coming back and seeing us. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Morning, Zoe.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Got donuts.

[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Petregallo]

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