The Chopped Swamp Murders - Ville Platte, Louisiana

Summary

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Small Town Murder: "The Chopped Swamp Murders – Ville Platte, Louisiana"

Podcast: Small Town Murder
Hosts: James Pietragallo, Jimmie Whisman
Episode: The Chopped Swamp Murders – Ville Platte, Louisiana
Date: November 8, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode tackles a gruesome double murder discovered in rural Louisiana, with all the color and chaos of the small-town bayou and outlaw biker culture. Hosts James and Jimmie recount the discovery of two mutilated bodies in plastic storage containers dumped in a murky swamp, followed by a winding investigation full of dead ends, territorial squabbles between local sheriffs, and suspects who might not be the brightest criminals you’ll ever meet.

The episode balances detailed, dark true-crime storytelling with irreverent observations about bikers named “Larry Larry,” local customs (like painting everything black for no discernible reason), and some sharp barbs at the small-town justice system.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Setting the Scene: Ville Platte, Louisiana (04:04–13:09)

• Ville Platte: The “heart” of Cajun country, French for “flat town,” described as “swamp down there, French for sea level, beneath sea level, French for hope the levees hold.”
• Town Stats: Small population (~6,488), very low median income ($21,818), high property and violent crime rates (10:14–10:42)
• Local Culture:
  • Louisiana Cotton Festival: Where a queen (age 17–22, must remain single) and King or Colonel Cotton (older men, no restrictions) are chosen (10:42–12:15)
  • Smoked Meats Festival and medieval-style jousting tournaments with rings ("Le Tournai Tournament") (12:15–13:09)

Notable Quote:

"This shit’s amphibious." — Jimmie, on Ville Platte's swampy landscape (06:12)

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2. Discovery of the Murder (13:10–27:01)

• January 2003: A plastic storage box, taped and spray-painted black, is found floating in Bayou Cocodrie, sparking a turf war between two parish sheriff's offices over jurisdiction.
  (13:43–16:41)
• Inside the Box: Law enforcement finds a mutilated man—no legs, just a Catfish Festival t-shirt. No legs are recovered.
  (17:20–19:08)

Quote - On Jurisdiction:

"It’s literally The Wire, where they’re like, ‘No, those bodies are on the county side!’" — James (14:14)

• The Victim: Identified as Lawrence William Cook ("Larry Larry"), a notorious Texas biker with at least 18 arrests and a penchant for meth cooking and stealing police motorcycles (19:52–23:39)

  • Larry Larry’s Record:
    • Crimes include weapons, drugs, theft, and stealing a sheriff’s motorcycle.
    • Known for always being on the run: "The law was always after Cook… Always after Larry Larry." (23:04)

• A Second Box: About a week later, another black box is found with the mutilated body of Larry Larry’s girlfriend, Sheila Kirby—same mutilation, but legs included in her box (26:07)

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3. The Investigation & Suspects (27:01–46:05)

• Initial Suspects:

  • The bodies were connected to a local biker crowd (the “Banshees”), particularly Lost Larry (Larry Surratt) and his wife Cynthia (“Lost Bitch”).
  • Fingerprints and paint were key evidence. Several latent prints, some preserved perfectly between layers of duct tape, were found on the boxes. (33:32–34:49)

• Alibis & Contradictions:

  • Lost Larry’s arm injury aligns with possible usage of a chainsaw to dismember (chainsaw with human remains? “I fell off the roof onto the chainsaw.”)
    • Medical records support some injury, but timelines keep shifting.
    • "Lost Bitch and Lost Larry have different timelines of that, too." (43:08)
  • Their stories about last seeing the victims changed repeatedly under pressure, ranging from Thanksgiving to early December (50:00s)
  • Evidence found: Paint matching the boxes in Lost Larry’s truck bed, painted boards, and storage containers.

• Lost Larry’s Attitude:

  • Admits to shooting several dogs near his home (48:48–48:57), and is generally unfazed when arrested.

Notable Quote:

"Have you ever shot a dog near your home?"
— "Shot several dogs near my home." — Lost Larry’s response (48:48–48:57)

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4. Murder Theory & Defense (64:18–74:16)

• Prosecution:
  • Argue that Lost Larry and Lost Bitch killed the couple, mutilated them, and disposed of the bodies with duct-taped, spray-painted boxes. Motive remains unclear, but evidence is circumstantial and forensic.
• Defense:
  • Frames the duo as scapegoats, pointing the finger at rival outlaw biker gang “The Bandidos,” arguing the murders were a cartel-like hit for snitching (though DEA testifies that Larry Larry and Sheila weren’t informants).
  • Defense tries to plant doubt by challenging timelines and pointing out the absence of any direct murder weapon or murder scene evidence.
    • "Larry Larry and Sheila were rats. They were informers for the DEA. And it's actually... it's the Bandidos who killed him." (64:56)
  • "You can’t prove when or where they were even killed." — Defense closing (78:02)

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5. Trial, Verdict, and Appeals (78:34–81:14)

• Trial:
  • Both are tried for two counts of second-degree murder.
  • Key evidence: Fingerprints on boxes and tape, paint droppings in the truck, ballistics linking Lost Larry to the murder of the victims’ dog.
  • Jury finds both “Losts” guilty after three hours’ deliberation. Sentenced to life in prison without parole (78:34–78:47)

Notable Quote:

"You, sir, and ma’am may fuck off—two terms each of life in prison without parole." — James, on the sentencing (78:47)

• Appeals:
  • Lost on grounds of insufficient evidence and a “circus” environment at trial; convictions are affirmed (79:28–81:00)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Lost Larry’s Defense on Painting:
  “Man, you must have wanted to kill him, huh?”
  “No, no. Just saying he liked to paint shit.” (75:01–75:07)
• On the Tragic Couple’s Reputation:
  “He’d give you the shirt off his back. It’d be filthy and smell like meth smoke, but still…” (73:22)
• Summary of Forensics:
  “Minus those fingerprints, they don’t get caught. They have nothing.” (81:00–81:03)
• On Small-Town Life:
  “You name a kid Larry, you really gotta watch out. If he starts saying, ‘No, call me Larry,’ you gotta go, ‘Oh, shit.’” (24:03–24:13)

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Timeline & Key Timestamps

• 04:04–13:09: Overview and quirky history of Ville Platte, Louisiana; local festivals.
• 13:10–27:01: Discovery of the mutilated bodies and introduction of victims.
• 33:31–34:49: Forensics—latent fingerprints in the spray paint and tape.
• 46:05–55:05: Investigation tightens around Lost Larry & Lost Bitch, medical records, fingerprint and paint evidence.
• 64:18–74:16: Trial; defense and prosecution strategies.
• 78:34–81:14: Verdict, sentencing, and failed appeals.
• 81:28: Hosts wrap up the tale—no legs ever found.

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Tone & Style

The episode mixes thorough crime narrative and deep research with the hosts’ signature sardonic, conversational style:

• Tone: Dark humor and rural absurdity.
• Running Gags: Biker names (Larry Larry & Lost Larry), painting things black, amateur criminals.
• Language: Candid and irreverent, with several off-the-cuff jokes about drugs, dumb criminals, and small-town logic.

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Conclusion

Pietragallo and Whisman’s comedic banter makes the heinous crime somehow palatable—while still respecting the victims and the seriousness of the case. If you like true crime with a rowdy, unfiltered twist, this episode is a wild ride through swampy Louisiana’s underbelly, full of mystery, small-town politics, and the world’s least careful murderers.

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Key Takeaway:
While much of this double murder remains shrouded in confusion over alibis, timing, and motive, the evidence that ultimately brought down Lost Larry and Lost Bitch was as mundane as it was damning: fingerprints in wet spray paint and a penchant for painting everything in sight.

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Transcript

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Pietragallo]

Oh yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petregallo. I'm here with my co host.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'm Jimmy Wissman.

[James Pietragallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today. Oh yes. Again on another absolutely crazy edition of Small Town Murder Express. Ten pounds of murder in a two pound bag, everybody. And it is a lot today. Wild stuff. We gotta get to it quickly. Before we do though, head over to shutupandgivememurder.com get your tickets for live shows. I think there's a couple tickets left in Philly for December. We also, you can still get the virtual live show for another week. So that is available for another week. So get in there and get that. Shutupandgivemerder.com anywhere in the world with Internet. That show's a great show too. So have fun with that. We're proud of that one. That was a lot of fun. So definitely do that. Definitely. Also, by the way, shut up and give me murder.com, get your merch while you're there. Then listen to our other shows, crime in sports and of course your stupid opinions, which are hilarious shows, your stupid opinions. We go over reviews from all over the Internet and make fun of people for making them. And also get yourself patreon. Patreon.com crimeinsports. That is where you get all the bonus material. Anybody $5 a month or above, you get all sorts of stuff. With that, you get hundreds of back episodes of bonus stuff you've never heard before. New episodes every other week. One crime in sports, one small town murder, and you, you get it all.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You bet.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

My dad never accepted the Ravens, ever.

[James Pietragallo]

No, that's what I mean.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He was still pissed.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Here we go.

[James Pietragallo]

Here we go. To sit back. Let's all clear the lungs. What do you say here? And let's all shout. Give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Okay, let's go on a trip, shall we? We are going down to Louisiana this week.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, boy.

[James Pietragallo]

And when I say we're going down to the bayou, I mean we are going down to the bayou.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is that what we're doing?

[James Pietragallo]

We absolutely are. This is Ville Platte, L.A. ville Plat. Not ville. Nope. V I L L or V I L L E. Separate word. P L A T T E. It's French for flat town. Oh, flat town. Because that's swamp down there. Yeah. Now this, by the way, French for sea level. For sea level, beneath sea level. French for hope the levees hold. Now, this place is not the exact town that the murder took place in, as we'll figure it out. No one knows exactly where it took place. So this is the town where, like, the trial happened and was kind of the center of it all. So we're just using this town.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

From four or five different towns, this is in dead center Louisiana. If there was a bullseye in Louisiana, it would be this place. It's about two and a half hours to New Orleans down in the southeast. And it's about two and a half hours to Shreveport up in the northwest there. So it's in the middle of those. And about an hour and a half to Lake Charles, Louisiana, which was our last Louisiana episode. Way back. Episode 578. It's been a long time. It's been since March. Video poker. Playboy murder. That was a fun one. I remember that one. The dude with the constantly playing video poker and getting caught on casino cameras. This is in the Evangeline Parish. And oh, boy, was there a dispute of that, too. That was half the dispute here. Area code 337. Population here, 6488. Median household income here. Wow. Rest of the country, 69,000 bucks here, $21,818. Household. Household. Think about that. Dude, that's crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

People bringing home five grand a year.

[James Pietragallo]

Wow. Each. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

College kids. Jesus.

[James Pietragallo]

But the median home price actually fits the median home price here. $97,100. Yeah. This place is rough. The motto.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This shit's amphibious.

[James Pietragallo]

Wow. It's gonna have to be if it rains. The motto here. Experience the Cajun heartland. Is that what it is, The Cajun heartland? I've never heard before, but. Okay, a little bit of history here. The area around Ville Platte seemed to have been first settled in the kind of the late 1700s when Louisiana was still under Spanish rule.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Sure.

[James Pietragallo]

This is, you know, before even the French and all that kind of thing. So this was in the kind of, they said, I guess, the earliest record of any settlements about the 1780s. Apparently the popular legend has it that. That the founder of Ville Platt was Marceline Garon, who was, I guess, a major in the army of the French Empire during the reign of Napoleon. Nice. He obtained one of the first two lots that were platted in what is now Ville Platte. And the second lot being obtained by Dr. Robert Windex. Who had the cleanest windows in all of town?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is it the guy that invented the formula?

[James Pietragallo]

Hell, fucking sure.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Maybe.

[James Pietragallo]

I don't know. 1824 seems a little early for. Does it? Chemical compound like that? Probably.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The smell of that smells like it was probably invented in 1824.

[James Pietragallo]

I don't think that color blue was invented yet. You know what I'm saying?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Back then, you just dye in it later.

[James Pietragallo]

Back then you just spit on a window and wiped it off with a shitty rag. Yeah, that was how you did it. So in 1900 Ville Platt had a population of 163. Then the railroad came and it, you know, started to go up from there. Got laid out in a grid and everything. By 1910, they had 600 people. And then it was going up from there. Now here's a couple reviews of this town. Because we've never been there. We don't know anything about it. Most people haven't. It seems like most people have not experienced the Cajun heartland. So we're going to talk about it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Most people call their place ville as the second part of the word.

[James Pietragallo]

The other way. Do they do that in French? Yeah, it's like Italian. It goes backwards.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And Spanish too.

[James Pietragallo]

That's why it's flat town. But it really means town flat if you did it. Yeah. Five stars. Everyone knows everyone in this town. Oh, yeah. My family and best friends are in this town. It's a great town.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Stop saying it.

[James Pietragallo]

There may not be a lot to do in this town, but there are plenty of job opportunities.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay. Keep that in mind for everyone else's complaints. 3 stars. Somewhat family oriented. Somewhat.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Somewhat.

[James Pietragallo]

Not all the way, but needs more job opportunities. Plenty. By the way, those two reviews were left a month apart from each other too. So it's not even like it died fast. It died real fast. Not nearly enough places to eat, shop, etc. Schools are small, but not the greatest. People here tend to still think like the old Cajun ways and are somewhat closed minded. It's the middle of nowhere. Who the hell knows?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Old Bay on everything.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the Baltimore way. That's what that is. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, yeah. I guess they put some cayenne and.

[James Pietragallo]

Paprika and all that shit on there. But it's a different. Different formula, I suppose.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Different amount.

[James Pietragallo]

Three stars here. Ville Platte has a lot of culture from the smoked meat festival. Now we're talking to the Tornoi and tea Cotton Bowl. We'll talk about that. But there's not really much room to grow. Ville Platte is a small town that have no real job opportunities or even entertainment.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They don't even have that.

[James Pietragallo]

Don't even have it. And then two stars. All small towns in general just aren't as great as big cities, let's be honest. True. It depends on what you're looking for, I guess.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Depends on what you consider a small town.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. And what you like. I mean, some people like sitting on a quiet porch. Some people like walking crowded streets. It's up to you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You need a lifestyle change. Get after it, man.

[James Pietragallo]

Ville Platte has such A high crime rate. I looked it up. The property crime is pretty high, but the violent crime is pretty much on point. This makes citizens like me feel very uncomfortable to to even go to the town. Changes need to be made to minimize the amount of crime in this area. Well, good luck. They don't really do a lot. They don't do a lot in rural places. Usually they go, well, we're fine. And yeah, there's not a lot of mass murder.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We're gonna keep it the way it is.

[James Pietragallo]

So things to do here. Well, the murder rate is not good there in Louisiana and rural Louisiana is bad. It's real. It's one of the highest in the country of anywhere I Things to do here. The Louisiana Cotton Festival. Yeah, they have the Louisa. The Louisiana Cotton Queen is chosen from any girl throughout the state. They must be 17 to 22 years of age though. Any girl. They have to be kind of still teen hot though. We need, you know, perky tits. We're looking for, you know, come on. We don't have any oldest.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Who's the oldest? No 23 year olds around here.

[James Pietragallo]

We don't want it to look like you got a couple of sacks of cotton hanging off your chest. We need this to be different story. The queens are expected to remain single during her reign of one year. So you what? They will strip your cotton crown from you if you decide to hook up with anybody. That is crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What is her celibacy or relationship with anything.

[James Pietragallo]

That is wild. I don't understand that at all. I was blown away.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Just so that the town all has their opportunity to shoot their shot with you.

[James Pietragallo]

That's it. Everybody gets a shot. The festival officials choose King Cotton to honor an important person. A senator, a congressman, a state governor, president of a university, et cetera. There's also a Colonel Cotton.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Are you telling me there's no age limit for those fellas? No.

[James Pietragallo]

They don't have to be hot at all. Weird, right? And they can bang whoever they want too.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nice.

[James Pietragallo]

I think also Colonel Cotton. There's also a tournament and we're running late on the town stuff, but the Le Tournai Tournament. Tour T O U R N O I Le Tournai. The tournament. It means an ancient game or sport first followed by the knights of ancient France, which is brought to this area by the first settlers who are of French descent. The horsemen joust at breakneck speed, endeavoring with their long lances to strike and retain rings set upon posts along a large circular track. So you run a big circular track. They have shit with These rings on the side and you have to spear them. You have to get them on your lance at the end. So it's like jousting.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. They do that once a year. Cajun knights on horseback race around the quarter mile track and do this. There's also the Smoked Meats Festival, which sounds awesome. I'd love to go there for that.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Is the Cotton Bowl? Is that here? Is that what you said?

[James Pietragallo]

The Cotton Festival? Louisiana Cotton Festival. No, no, no, not the Cotton Bowl Cotton Festival. That said, let's talk about. Here's the murder. Let's get into this. This is a weird, weird, weird case. Okay, January 3rd, 2003. Let's go to. All right, this is at the CO Cadre. C O C O D R I E. Cocodrie. Cocodre. However you want to say it. Cockadree Bayou. Okay. This is the bayou in a swamp, essentially.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

The Cockadoo Bayou. There's a detective here of the Evangeline Parish Sheriff's Office. He's contacted by the Rapides Parish Sheriff's Office.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh.

[James Pietragallo]

Now this case starts out with. Before anything's done found, known about anyone's. We know anybody's dead with two police forces arguing over. I don't want to do this. This is your jurisdiction. No, it's not. It's yours. That's how this whole thing is claiming it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's trying to pass it off.

[James Pietragallo]

Exactly. It's literally the wire where they're like, no, no, those bodies are on the county side. No, they're not. The tides took them from the city into the. That's literally what we're talking about. Not me. I don't have to worry about it. Now this detective explained that the Bayou Cocoderie, or however the fuck you say it, is the parish line. So it's. If anything is found in the bayou. It's real murky. No, we don't know. Cause that's the line that separates.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, that shit is wide. What do we do?

[James Pietragallo]

It depends on what shore it's on. Then where do they think it came from to end up on that shore? There's a ramp on this side, but on this side there's no ramp, so it'd be easier to put it. So that's literally what they're arguing about.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's like saying a six lane freeway is the line. Well, what the fucking. Which lane?

[James Pietragallo]

Northbound is this parish, Southbound is that Parish.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's right.

[James Pietragallo]

So this detective explained that the body. They were gonna find a body here. And it's off Highway 167, near the side of the bridge which crosses Bayou Cockadry Cocodridge in the water. Yes. Now they find a plastic storage box. Well, it was actually a kid named Dustin Perkins who was with his friend. He found this and called his dad, and his dad came over. And then the Guy's father contacted 911, contacted the Rapides Parish authorities, who then contacted the Evangeline one, saying, no, no, this one's yours. So that's what this is. It's a plastic storage box they find floating. Now, the Rapides Parish authorities didn't go to the body. They went, looked and said, oh, there's a body right there. Yeah, that's not ours. And made. They wouldn't go near it. They sat there arms crossed, going, I ain't touching it. Not mine. Not my body. That's your body?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Wow. According to the detective from Evangeline, at the time the body was found, the water was, quote, out the bayou banks. That's his quote. It was out the bayou banks. Who knows what that means in Louisiana? I don't know. There's a lot of language in this. When they say where I go, I'm not sure what that means.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's a. Yeah, I gotta watch Green Mile with the. With the captions on. Because of Delacroix, because I don't know.

[James Pietragallo]

Who knows? I don't remember the name, but I know who you're talking about. Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The little guy that they shocked the shit out of. That guy. I don't know what the fuck he's saying.

[James Pietragallo]

Nope. They said it was floating toward the Evangeline Parish side. This is the Evangeline people going, no, no, no. It was out there floating over here. So that means it started on your side because there's a ramp over there that would much easier launching site.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Well, if it's floating, it had to get in here somewhere that's not ours.

[James Pietragallo]

And they go, well, there's a dirt road on your side. They could have easily taken it from the dirt road. So it's absolutely ridiculous is what's going on here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Investigate, fellas, and figure out what.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, they said if the bayou had been within its banks, the body would have been on dry land in Evangeline Parish. So the bayou, I guess, had swelled a bit. So they're saying that's what it. Anyway, Evangeline ends up having to be the people to deal with it. So they find this box, and it's a big plastic storage container like you would use to move one of those big plastic totes. You put all your shit in with.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The lid on the top and the.

[James Pietragallo]

Tips on the left and right. Yeah, clicky, click, click. There you go. Now, they said the lid of the box containing what they ends up being a body had been taped closed, duct taped, closed all around it. Then the whole thing was painted black. So I guess. So it blends in. Now the kid who found the box said that the duct tape on the box was half off and that his uncle who he called may have pulled it a little bit before opening the lid of the box. But it wasn't tight. It was. You could just open it. Basically he said that the quote, the tape was not stuck good is what he said. And his uncle did not struggle to get the tape off. However, he said he didn't know if his uncle cut the tape or not. Now they pop it open and there's a man in there. It's pretty, pretty rough too. He's seen better days. The body has been mutilated and the legs are completely cut off. And they're not in the box either. They don't know where. Oh no, just no legs. He has no legs. Legs sawed off at the femurs with nothing to show for it. So they looked around legs around here. Anybody see any legs? Nobody saw any legs. But he's wearing a T shirt that says Catfish Festival Washington, Louisiana. That's a T shirt that that man is wearing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Does it have a year on it?

[James Pietragallo]

No year. Catfish Festival, Washington, Louisiana. It's Evergreen. Those T shirts, they don't wanna put a year on em. Now the detective said that at this point they just have this unknown man with no legs and a catfish T shirt, Catfish Festival T shirt in a box. They have no clues, they have no anything. What the hell do we do with this guy? We do know he's got tattoos and he looks like a biker.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's helpful.

[James Pietragallo]

He's got a bikery look to him. So that they're like, okay, that's helpful. They can possibly ask around the biker people in the area and see if maybe you know this guy. Now they don't know who he is though. Now the cops said he received several anonymous phone calls after this body was found. The first he received was on the day after the body was discovered. He said the caller asked if he had found his brother. Someone said, hey, did you find my brother? And the caller gave a description of the man. Now at the time, the press had not published any information about the body. So this would be. That's good. So this would be information Nobody knows. Yeah. So based on that, they end up identifying the body.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really.

[James Pietragallo]

They do. It is a man named Lawrence William Cook.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Call him Larry.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, we call him. He's got. This is amazing. There's a few different Larry's in this story. Okay. Now he's about 44 years old at this time. He goes by. He goes by Larry. But everyone. Because he's in a little biker group here. No, everyone calls him Larry Larry double lair. All right, He's Larry Larry. Now there's another Larry in the story who's also in the group. It was a different Larry. But this is Larry Larry. So there's Larry Larry. There's, you know, Bob Larry. There's this Larry. He's real, real Larry. Like, though he's Larry Larry. You know what I mean? Now he's a member of the Banshees motorcycle club in the area. He's out of the north Texas chapter, actually.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

Because he's from Denison, Texas, apparently. Now it's unknown exactly what his involvement is. If he's like a, you know, what his rank is or anything like that. But.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. Is he a secretary?

[James Pietragallo]

We do know he's in the group. Now. He lived in Texas. He's from Texas. How the fuck did he end up in a bayou in dead center, Louisiana?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Great question.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the question. So he is known as Larry Larry in the area. And in both areas he has a lengthy criminal record.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Larry Larry sure does.

[James Pietragallo]

Lengthy. At least 18 arrests that they could find immediately. At least. Wow. He also has four outstanding warrants against him.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Could rock it right on up to 22.

[James Pietragallo]

Found him. I mean, that's. Here we go.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He got some cuffs.

[James Pietragallo]

You can go ahead and throw those warrants out. I think it's. I don't think we're going to bring him in on those.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I don't think he's going to run.

[James Pietragallo]

Including. This is amazing. This is from Grayson County, Texas. The four outstanding warrants, including one for this is the greatest crime of all time. Stealing a policeman's motorcycle. Fucking bull. Awesome. That is so awesome. That is like.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Piece of shit. Doesn't even have exhaust.

[James Pietragallo]

The guy's like, hey, come back here. Taking off. Fuck you.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'mma go put some fucking Samsons on this goddamn thing.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm going to the catfish festival.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Suck my dick.

[James Pietragallo]

Fucking taking off. I love it. That is amazing. He stole a sheriff's fucking motorcycle.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Awesome.

[James Pietragallo]

Like his work motorcycle. Not even a privately held one.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

The one that says police all over marked motorcycle nutcase.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's got lights and everything.

[James Pietragallo]

He has an extensive criminal record dating back to 1986, including convictions for unlawful carrying of weapons, manufacturing, delivering, selling, and possession of controlled dangerous substances. He's a meth cook, by the way. He's a meth cook. A known meth cook. He just pops up at people's houses. He's like, I'm a quick cook me up a quick batch, all right? And they're like, no, you can't cook meth here. He's crazy. He's fucking crazy. Possession of marijuana possession, possession of methamphetamine and other amphetamines, pending charges at this time that he died for theft of 20 to $50,000 as well. Stolen from somebody. Unlawful use of a firearm, and manufacturing and delivering of a controlled substance. And of course, stealing a policeman's motorcycle.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, that one's a good one.

[James Pietragallo]

According to the local authorities that knew him, they said, quote, the law was always after Cook. Sounds always. Always after Larry. Larry.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How about that? He's a meth cook and his last name is Cook.

[James Pietragallo]

His last name is Cook.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Out of here.

[James Pietragallo]

Larry. Larry the meth cook man. He had a. They said he had a reputation, a bad reputation in the area. A lot of people didn't like him. Yeah, this is the local. Yep. He was an amphetamine cook. He'd been chased by police. He stole a motorcycle. He's really up. The menace of Grayson county, basically. This fucking guy, like he's not coming back. Great. Perfect.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Larry's do have a reputation for being a wild car.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Ricky's are one thing, but Larry's are a fucking nightmare.

[James Pietragallo]

Lawrence is such a buttoned up name. Which is weird. It's a real like. And then you get it. Break it down to Larry. And now it's a mess.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They ditch that white shirt with the collar and run it with Larry. And their hair falls out and watch the fuck out.

[James Pietragallo]

You name a kid Larry, you really gotta watch out. If he starts saying no, call me. You name him Lawrence. He says, call me Larry. You gotta go. Oh, shit. Uh oh. Do we get him in counseling now or do we wait till for his first arrest?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Let's get him some hair plugs early.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, shit. And people heard from Texas that Cook was on the run, but they didn't know why. I heard he was on the run. People said. Now they say they don't really have any suspects, but they're talking to people who knew Cook. He was never reported missing. Oh. And it appears that he was last seen about three or four weeks before the body was found.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Now they estimate that his body was in the box at least three weeks. And they think the box may have been thrown off the bridge. That's why they're saying it's in Evangeline, not the other county. Because the boat ramp is in the other county, but the bridge is in that county.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Imagine being missing for four weeks. There is no fucking way nobody would be concerned. In my life, I got way too many people.

[James Pietragallo]

But you're not a meth cook biker who steals motorcycles from police. You just assume he's on the run somewhere.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That's kind of my point is like he's got. He disappears for four weeks and they're like, godspeed, Larry.

[James Pietragallo]

He lives on the margins. And in the margins not even on in. So the fingerprints were used to identify him. Once someone brought up, this may be my brother. They test, they ran that to see if it was him. And it actually was him. Found wearing the Washington Catfish Festival T shirt and a leather jacket. Now the question they have is he has a live in girlfriend that he has never seen without. So they're like, where the fuck is she? Sheila Kirby is her name. And they're looking for her. They say that she's not a suspect in the death at this point, but they'd sure love to have a chit chat with her at this because she's always around. And why didn't she report him missing if they're together all the time?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Maybe she's missing too. There's a lot of concerns here.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, yeah. So January 10, 2003, a week later, after his body is found, the water has receded now cause there was a storm. That was a problem. So the officers return to the area in an attempt to find his legs.

[Jimmy Wissman]

His legs? Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Where's Larry? Larry's legs. Legs.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We need to find them both.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, yeah. Where are they?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Double Larry's missing. Double legs.

[James Pietragallo]

That's it. So they're out there. Double Larry, double legs. Two Larry's two legs. So the sheriff's department and the Wildlife and Fisheries launch boats and then in approximately 40 minutes into the search, they find another identical box. Another painted black duct taped box.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You know what it is.

[James Pietragallo]

So they're like, shit, we might got some Larry legs in here. Possibly they crack the box open and it's Sheila Kirby. It's the girlfriend. No, she has her legs cut off the same exact way Larry did. Except her legs are in the box with her.

[Jimmy Wissman]

In the box.

[James Pietragallo]

In the box. They fit. She got to keep them. Yeah. Now Sheila is anywhere from 27 to 34, based on numerous news reports.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Awesome.

[James Pietragallo]

Literally the same newspapers, same day. One said 27, one said 34. One said 31, one said 20. I'm like, how old is this?

[Jimmy Wissman]

We got seven year gap and nobody can figure it out.

[James Pietragallo]

That's crazy. That's why you don't go out with guys who cook meth and steal motorcycles from policemen. No one knows how old you are. At a certain point, I feel like.

[Jimmy Wissman]

This has been a problem that's been brewing for a while too.

[James Pietragallo]

A while? Yeah, a long time. So the box containing her body was almost identical to the one containing Larry. Larry's body. And it also appeared that the box containing Sheila Kirby's body had been duct taped and painted the same way. Also, holes had been cut in both boxes to make it sink.

[Jimmy Wissman]

To make them sink.

[James Pietragallo]

Otherwise they'd float forever. Forever.

[Jimmy Wissman]

All the way to the ocean.

[James Pietragallo]

Floating down the Mississippi, right to the Gulf, right down to the delta. So they wonder, is it definitely Sheila? I mean, it would make sense if it's Sheila. Then they finally located Sheila's family members who identified her positively. They said they expected her home for Christmas, but she never showed up. But they didn't report her missing because she's with Larry. Larry. Although she could be anywhere.

[Jimmy Wissman]

She could be gone.

[James Pietragallo]

Gone. Yeah, gone. Gone. Out. Out. As your stupid opinions thing. She's out, out, man. Hey, everybody, Just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you a better way to feed your cat with smalls.

[Jimmy Wissman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Now back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

So the. They said also that she normally wore her long blonde hair in a ponytail and that's what the body was found with, long blonde hair in a ponytail. So they're like, shit. Okay, that's not good. Now the boxes, okay, boxes are like we said, taped first, then painted, then painted.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So the tape is painted too.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, which they say the boxes were white at one point, which, you know, dump a body in a white box in a goddamn bayou and that's gonna stick out.

[Jimmy Wissman]

That gets. Yeah, that gets eyes.

[James Pietragallo]

And the paint that was used as spray paint to paint them, which would be the best thing to do for that. They did say also they found an impression of a fingerprint in the paint. That could be helpful.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

So yeah, they said they submitted it all to the lab and they said that examining the items, they determined there were 11 potentially identifiable fingerprints on the lid of the box that contained Larry. Larry's body.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Somebody's touching this thing a lot.

[James Pietragallo]

A lot. Prints were found in the paint of the lid. They also Found two latent fingerprints on portions of the duct tape where they'd been stuck together. So in between layers of duct tape, they found fingerprints preserved perfectly in the duct tape. While they couldn't determine when the fingerprints were left on the tape, they said that the boxes were taped, then painted, and the prints left in the wet paint. That's what they determined. Autopsies of both of these, of Larry. Larry and Sheila, they. They said that they were killed by gunshot wounds. Larry. Larry was killed with a gunshot wound behind the ear. So from behind? Sure. Larry. Larry's a dangerous character. You don't approach him from the front. Sheila. Shot right in the forehead.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Right in the forehead. Both bullets exited the bodies and were never found. So they said that the legs had been amputated just below the pelvic area in both victims.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, Jesus.

[James Pietragallo]

Jesus Christ.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So high up.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, that's brutal, man. They said they were amputated post mortem. And there were saw marks on the ends of the leg bones. So that's bad. Then they get an anonymous tip from a caller saying there's a location of a chainsaw that might be involved in this. What? There's a chainsaw out there. Maybe the chainsaw was used to cut these bodies up. It was down a gravel road about a mile and a half past the residence of a place that Sheila and Larry. Larry were staying for a while with friends. Another motorcycle member's house about a mile and a half down there. While they were looking for the chainsaw, they found a dog. A dead dog. Oh. That they believe belonged to Larry. Larry and Sheila.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh.

[James Pietragallo]

This dog has been shot. Shot in the head and was badly decomposed. So it's. It's been there for over a month too, so they think it's terrible. Yeah, well, we just talked about two legless people in boxes. So, you know, let's get some context here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How big of a dog is this? Is it a little dog?

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no, no, no. Decent sized dog. It sucks that the dog's dead. Don't get me wrong. I don't. I like dogs better than meth cooking bikers, but still. So the evidence leads to people who may have some info here. Leads to a woman named Cynthia Anderson, who she says a man claiming to be her ex husband had called to report that he had seen her with some motorcycle people. Said to my ex wife, Cynthia, I saw her with some motorcycle people at the Catfish festival in December of 2002. Which is a month ago.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Just a little bit ago. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, just a month ago. So they said, okay, that's interesting. Cause our guy was wearing a Catfish Festival shirt, so that all tracks. Also, this woman, Cynthia, the man she is currently married to, is also in the Banshees Motorcycle Club. So this is all kind of lining up. Now, they said that apparently the last known address of the people, if the dead people here, was in Latwell, Louisiana, which is the clubhouse of the Banshee Motorcycle Club.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really?

[James Pietragallo]

The clubhouse is a really rundown shithole trailer, by the way.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They always are.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, yeah. It's not a frat house. No, no, no. It's not. You know, it's not Animal House. It's a trailer that you can smoke meth in the living room and no one minds.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. There's no chandelier.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no.

[Jimmy Wissman]

The wall is not adorned with anything other than old motorcycle parts.

[James Pietragallo]

You mean they don't have, like, illustrious alumni on the wall? Like, oh, he's now a judge on the circuit court. And this one's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No, they've got exhaust pipes welded together in the shape of the logo Harley Davidson.

[James Pietragallo]

Strange. Real strange. Now, before that, this couple lived in the Morrow area. Both Latwell and Morrow are in St. Landry Parish. So the detective said, to his knowledge, the victims had not lived or worked in Evangeline Parish and didn't have any relatives there. No. Tomorrow, he's still trying to get rid of the case. At this point, he really. This isn't mine, Right? It can't be. You know, so they said that they. That's so funny, man. So they checked a house in one area looking for an individual somebody said might have some information, but they didn't find that person. Now, Cynthia, the person they talked to who was seen with bikers at a Catfish Festival, that is Cynthia Brene Anderson. She is 41. And her husband is another Larry, a friend of Larry. Larry. This is Larry Surratt. S R U R A T T. Surratt. I've also seen it with an E on the end, but that's not how the court documents have it, so we'll keep it at this Surat. He's about the same age as her. Now he is known as Lost Larry. That's his name. He's Lost Larry. So Lost Larry hangs out with Larry. Larry. The best part is his wife, Cynthia, is known as, quote, Lost Bitch. That's her name. Not Lost Bitch. Lost Bitch. So you got Lost Larry and Lost Bitch. That's a couple. This is crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

So that makes sense.

[James Pietragallo]

You Lost Bitch. Now, you're gonna be calling any man Lost Lost Larry. You Lost Larry. Where you going, bro? It's somewhere to be. Because I gotta be somewhere. Now. They're all, like I said, they're in the Banshee Motorcycle Organization. The women, Sheila and Lost Bitch are not. I have to use nicknames so it's not confusing. Are not members of the organization. Cause the Banshees do not allow female members, no matter what they do. It's just in their bylaws. So now Seurat has a criminal record as well. Lost Larry, he said it's not a lengthy record when they checked it, but he's got some arrests and some shit. But they said, you know, Sheila has no criminal record or not Sheila Cynthia, outside of a marijuana arrest in 1980. So when she was 8, 19, she got fucking busted for 25 years ago. Who cares? Yeah. So like we said, the dog that was found is within a mile of these. Of Lost. Of the Losts, of the Lost house. Okay? And by the way, people were told that Larry, Larry and Sheila never went anywhere without the dog. That was like their kid always with them. So the cops talk to the Lost couple. Let's talk to Lost Larry and Lost Bitch. Here. They meet with them. Now Lost Bitch identifies Larry Larry's photograph and explains that she and Lost Larry had lived with Larry Larry and Sheila Kirby at their home in St. Landry parish. She said last Larry, Larry and Sheila moved out at the end of October 2002 and had moved into the Banshee Motorcycle Clubhouse in Latwell, which is this shit trailer that's owned by Lost Bitch.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay, Greatest story.

[James Pietragallo]

This is insane. So the detective said when he told Lost Bitch that Larry Larry was dead, she got appeared upset and to cry when she found out. But he said she didn't have any tears or snot or anything like that. She was just going covering her eyes, but there was nothing coming out. Now, yeah. They find out that not only had Larry Larry or yeah, Larry Larry and Sheila lived with Lost Larry and Lost Bitch once. They lived with him twice. Actually two different times. I guess in August 2000 or 2001. They had stayed for a month or two. And then In May of 2002, they lived with them for a few months until late summer or October. They said they were concerned because I guess they left because I guess Lost Larry was concerned about Lost Bitches safety here. And also that Larry Larry and Sheila Kirby were living on a riverbank in Texas in a tent and needed a place to stay. So they all moved in together.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh God.

[James Pietragallo]

Jesus Christ. He has to Steal a motorcycle and go somewhere else. Once they moved in, Larry, Larry and Sheila were supposed to find work and help out with bills and food. But they said that they made them find another place to live after October, when Hurricane Lily hit, but prior to Halloween, because they weren't helping out around the house, that's when they moved into. Meaning Larry, Larry and Sheila moved into the trailer owned by Lost Bitch in Latwell, Louisiana. Now they end up finding a chainsaw. Chainsaw is tested by the crime lab. There's no evidence it was used in a murder, but it was obviously, as we'll talk about it, Lost Larry thought there would be some form of human viscera on it. As we'll talk about here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Lost Larry thought that.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, because he's making some excuses. He said that. Oh, yeah. If there's anything on there. While I was clearing shit after the hurricane, I fell off the roof and fell onto the chainsaw and cut my arm.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And I'm still alive.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm still here. Well, yeah, he said he was trying to clean some debris, and he said he fell off the roof on November 2nd and did that. Now, the next time he's talked to, he said it happened in early December. So he's a month off. And Lost Bitch and Lost Larry have different timelines of that, too. He suffered an injury to his arm, and there was a lot of testimony regarding the date and cause of the injury because he did have an injury. We know that. So. But still, now, he said that he injured his arm falling off the roof. And they said, yeah, that probably happened between November 11th and 13th. Now, lost bitch said that Lost Larry did not seek medical attention at the time, as he, quote, does not go to doctors. No, of course not. Of course he doesn't. Come on. So then Lost Larry claimed that he did go to a doctor after somebody convinced him to do so because his arm was severely infected and he was pale and there was pus leaking out everywhere.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay. He's about to go septic.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So after Christmas, there's all sorts of shit coming out of his arm. So that's when he went. And so it's been a month and a half, according to him, that he's had this arm injury and he finally goes there and he was treated. But the problem is he says he did it in. It's crazy. He says he did it in November 2002. But I guess the report, the doctor's report says it happened at a different time. So he told a doctor a different thing. X rays were taken, indicating that he suffered a communated. Comminuted. Comminuted fracture. I don't know what that medical, what that means. Fracture through the ulna with a gap in between. So that's your forearm, is your ulna gap.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah. I guess you'd get that with a chainsaw.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. Also, they said a fragment of metal that appeared to be part of a chainsaw tooth was still in his arm.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He caught it.

[James Pietragallo]

He caught it in the arm and he fucking wasn't gonna do anything about it. With a piece of metal sitting in.

[Jimmy Wissman]

There and a section of bone gone.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. So they do all. They hear all this stuff and then they decide, let's talk to Larry again. We got to find Lost Larry. So Lost Larry gets pulled over in Bastrop, Texas. This is what's called a routine traffic stop. Now we don't know if they were doing this on purpose or not, but Cynthia Anderson, lost Bitch, is driving. Now when they get him out of the car here, number one, they fingerprint them and do all of that stuff. And they find from that also that photographs and negatives of the prints they found in the storage box. They enter everything into the system. And prints on the box match Lost Larry and one matches Lost Bitch too.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Uh, oh yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

They had three prints matched to Lost Larry on these boxes, which is interesting. Yeah. Two of the prints on the lid were identified as Lost Larry's left index finger and another one was identified as his left ring finger. And two prints were determined to be that of Lost Bitches left middle finger. Oh boy, that is not good. So yeah, they examined at this point, they examined the storage boxes that contained the bodies and they examined Lost Larry's truck. Upon removing the bed liner from the truck, they noticed a two foot area near the hitch which had been painted blue and that that blue paint had transferred onto the liner. They also found black paint drops in the area of the truck bed that had not been repainted. There were four major regions of paint drops in the back of the truck. They said that if the areas were connected, they formed a rectangle measuring approximately 42 inches long by 22 inches wide. The same measurements as the widest part of the boxes. Get it, get what we're doing here. It's an outline of the boxes from which the bodies were found. He said he compared the paint from the top of the storage boxes to the paint found in the truck. The two samples were indistinguishable from each other. There's no major differences between the paint from the back of the pickup truck and the paint from the lids, therefore, they could have been of common origin. But they said there's no way to make a 1000% identification from a can of paint to an item to the exclusion of all other cans of paint. Because paint is made in huge batches.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You could say that it's got the same pet spectrum and chemical makeup as that. But you can't say it came out of that cane.

[James Pietragallo]

No, it was a shelf. Off the shelf paint. It wasn't a can. You mix this, this and that and make it look like this fleck. Yeah, it's just whatever they had. They also found black paint on the chrome bed rail protector. Tests of the paint on the protector revealed it was also the same classification and similarities to the paints from the bed and the two boxes, two Rubbermaid boxes. So they said. They opined that the paint would have been from the same lot number, not and not from a different brand of paint. So they've narrowed it to that. Now, Lost Larry said his fingerprints may have gotten on one of the boxes that the bodies were found in. When they were in his garage, they said, why were they in your garage and why were they painted? And he said, Larry. Larry stole all sorts of shit. And he would paint all of it to disguise it. He'd steal something and he'd bring it home and paint it. So now it's Larry Larry's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's not that.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Yep. They said, okay, that's interesting. They said, by the way, did you ever shoot a dog near your home? Did that ever happen? You ever shoot a dog near your home? Now, if I ask you, Jimmy, have you ever shot a dog near your home?

[Jimmy Wissman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

No. His answer was, quote, shot several dogs near my home. Oh, sir, why are you shooting so many dogs near your house?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God.

[James Pietragallo]

That's.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We can't take it to the vet. And it's sick. It's got the shits.

[James Pietragallo]

What the fuck? Can't stop bringing that in the truck. Wow. So that is real fucking interesting. So a little more on this. They said, why would Lost Larry. Why would Larry. Larry paint everything? Why'd he do that? And he said, well, he thought that painting the lid of a stolen plastic container would keep him from getting caught. And they said, why? And he said, that was just Larry. Larry's way of thinking.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Larry thinks that way.

[James Pietragallo]

And they said, were you concerned when Larry. Larry was missing for over a month? And he said, I mean, I was concerned, but it wasn't uncommon for Larry. Larry to just take off for a month without telling anybody. So I wasn't that concerned. They said, what other crazy things did Larry do? Larry, Larry, Lost Larry said, well, as couples, we were best friends, but he did a lot of crazy shit. He would steal stuff. He would shoot guns from the hood of a moving car.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's sitting on top of the car.

[James Pietragallo]

He would jump out of the car and get on the hood and be like, drive. And then he'd be bucking shots off the hood of a moving car, which is insane. Shit. Absolutely insane. They said, well, when was the last time you saw the dead couple? Now, Lost Bitch said she saw Sheila on December 4th at Willy's Campground, which is a bar in Washington, Louisiana. And she last saw Larry Larry at the same bar the next day, December 5th. Okay. Now, she had earlier told the detective that she last saw Sheila at Thanksgiving. Now she's got a different story a month before. A month before. They also talked about the day that she found out Cook was dead. Lost Bitch said she returned home from work and found the garage light on the door cracked open and every light in the house on. She noticed that two of her doors, two of the closet doors in her bedroom had been pulled off the hinges. And she said that the 9 millimeter gun owned by Lost Larry would have been in the house when the break in occurred. So it must have gotten stolen. So that's why we can't give it to you to test to make sure that's not the nine millimeter that killed these two. So, yeah. Now someone else saw the dead couple as well. He said that he picked up Larry, Larry and Sheila on December 10th or 11th for a barbecue. And they said, are you sure about that date? And he said, not at all, but I am sure that we went to a barbecue. These are very unreliable people. All these people.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Shit.

[James Pietragallo]

So the cops are following around the Losts here, Lost Bitch and Lost Larry, they follow him around. They try to learn their movements. They say that, you know, they talk about him all the time. There's another biker here who is called as a witness here later on. He is a member of the Banshees as well. And he knew Larry Larry for about 24 to 25 years.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, he should have a good idea of what he is.

[James Pietragallo]

He knows a lot. He said that before his death, Larry, Larry had gone to work as a disc jockey at Willie's Campground in Washington. That's that bar. They never seen that. They got DJs. According to this guy, most of his time was spent in St. Landry's parish. He said the dog was like their Child and the dog was very dedicated to Larry Larry and vice versa. And he couldn't imagine them being separated from the dog unless something terrible happened. Then they go to the clubhouse, quote, unquote. The trailer. They said that. The detective describes the trailer as quote, not in very good condition. Shocking. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wissman]

If a trooper says that he's done.

[James Pietragallo]

Seen a lot of these, he's seen a bunch. He said that there were very few personal items of the couple's there. He said that the authorities found a warn weather DEA notebook filled with pictures of DEA Now Drug Enforcement Agency notebook filled with pictures of people with their names, criminal histories, occupations and addresses. He said that the COVID stated that this was a D. DEA sensitive material. Yeah. So why do they have that here? They said they found the. The books were located in the kitchen over the cabinets in a two door cabinet up there. Up. They quote, two door cabinet up there and they were on the top shelf. He said that it appeared the books had been there for quite some time. They had water damage to them from rain leaking. He said they were quote, very shabby, very old. They looked like they had possibly the roof had leaked and they were wet. And some of the pages, maybe as much as a third of them were gone. I would assume maybe roaches or something eaten them on there. They were in bad shape. So the books get sent back to the dea. Now Lost Bitch said she had never seen the DEA books and that the books were not in the trailer when Larry, Larry and Sheila moved in. And she said that only she and Lost Larry and the victims had keys to the trailer. Okay, so those books there. Now they also said she believed that there was a possibility that Cook would disappear for days and come back with money and. And different vehicles. Larry. Larry would come back. Lost Larry said. Yeah, Larry. Larry would leave home and come back with stuff. He'd just come back with a bunch of stuff that he would steal.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He'd go boosting. Yep.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. They also spoke. She said she spoke to a. Said that a cop spoke to her on another occasion and informed her that he knew for a fact that Larry. Larry and Sheila Kirby had put nine or ten Banditos, another motorcycle gang.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

In the pen for having met lab. So a cop had told her that Larry Larry was an informant and so was Sheila. So they are gonna go ahead and arrest Larry Larry or I'm sorry, Lost Larry and Lost Bitch when they place him under arrest. The cops said that Lost Larry stared at him. He said, then Lost Larry took a deep breath and put his head down and Said, I guess I need a lawyer.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

When arrested, he's carrying a gun. Oh, he is carrying a 9 millimeter. A Browning 9 millimeter that they do ballistic tests on and find out that that is the gun that killed the dog.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It was the gun that killed the dog.

[James Pietragallo]

We know it's the gun. Without a doubt, the gun that killed the dog. So why would you shoot their dog if you didn't? You know, they wouldn't. The dog would not be with them, so.

[Jimmy Wissman]

And why would they. If the dog's sick and. And they can't take care of him any longer? They would likely put their dog down, not you. Yeah, that's exactly why would you put their dog down?

[James Pietragallo]

Wouldn't happen. Exactly. That wouldn't. And if they really love the dog, they'd probably take it to have it put down humanely, I would assume. So. They said that, you know, they told him, you're under arrest because your fingerprints are on the container. And he said, well, I guess the best thing I need to do is go back to my cell and get an attorney. I reckon the only thing I need to do. I reckon that. So they're still trying to figure out, by the way, they still have no idea where the actual murder took place. Really, where it happened, where. They have no idea where anything happened, basically because they think that the back of the truck seemed like a mobile unit here. So they're trying to figure out if he had opportunity. Lost Larry says he's trying to prove that he was working offshore.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, he's a rigged guy, huh?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Now, the medical examiner determined that the victims were probably killed somewhere around December 22, but I think it's a lot earlier because they hadn't been seen for two weeks before that. So he said. So anyway, Lost Larry said we. Was it the middle. Oh, this is the doctor. Sorry. Was it the middle of December? Possibly. Was it the first part of December? That's possible. Could. Could it have been the end of November? Could have. November 30th? Yes, that's possible as well. So as far as the exact time, it cannot be done.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No idea.

[James Pietragallo]

We know that Lost Larry, his work records show he was off of work November 11th, 12th, 13th, December 2nd through the 15th. That's a big window to kill people. December 24th and 25th and 31st and January 1st. So he gets holidays off.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

Now back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

So, yeah, that's how that goes. Now, April 2003, pretrial here, they want to exclude the evidence of other crimes. They sought to exclude evidence of, quote, hand grenade, pipe bombs, stolen trucks, stolen guns and. Or stolen motorcycles. Jesus.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You know, the dangerous ones.

[James Pietragallo]

You know, all the stuff that makes them look real murdery, you know what I'm saying? So the trial comes up, the prosecution, there's opening statements here. This is contentious from the start. The prosecutor gets up and like every everybody who talks to a jury, first thing they do is thank the jurors for being there. Appreciate it. It's formality. The defense objects to it. First of all, you have to do real egregious shit to have your opening statements objected to.

[Jimmy Wissman]

No niceties around you.

[James Pietragallo]

No niceties. But to say, thank you for being. Objection. Your honor. This is ridiculous.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He's clearly pandering for likability.

[James Pietragallo]

Wow. So that's where it is right from the start. Now the defense has one defense and one defense only. Well, two defenses. One, Lost Larry was probably at work while this was going on. And number two, Larry. Larry and Sheila were rats. They were informers for the dea. And it's actually. It's the banditos who killed him. A rat. That's what happened. That's why the DEA book was there and all that kind of thing. They said the information on the Bandidos are contained in books. Those books, by the way, have now been shredded by the dea. So we have no way to look at them or know what was in them.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Why did they do that?

[James Pietragallo]

Because they're the DEA and they had a bunch of informants in the book. So they said that the gang. Cynthia Anderson here, Lost Bitch, said the gang had twice tried to kill Lost Larry and Lost Bitch as well. This is according to the opening statements. He said the Bandidos clearly killed them and cut them up as a statement. This was a mafia style hit.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay. Well, in the mafia, they probably wouldn't leave fingerprints all over the weapon.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, they wouldn't leave the head and hands on these.

[James Pietragallo]

Probably pretty good at murder.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Very few toe prints in police stations.

[James Pietragallo]

It's mostly handprints most of the time. Yeah, they did it backwards. Oh, shit. We cut the wrong thing off. Now, the defense attorney described the two couples as best friends who took care of one another. The lost couple let Larry, Larry and Sheila live with them. He said also they weren't kicked out, but simply moved to the trailer. It was owned by Cynthia, so she was being nice. She said, Cynthia, Lost Bitch. Even Helped them move, which is how the fingerprints on the duct tape got on those containers. Those were containers used to move. So, you know, they said the dog. Also, they argued that the dead dog found wasn't even Larry. Larry and Sheila's dog. It was a different dog.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It wasn't their dog.

[James Pietragallo]

Not their dog.

[Jimmy Wissman]

How are you gonna prove it? That's a great point.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the thing. They couldn't prove it. They said. The defense is saying this dog has white on him, and we don't remember white. Their dog having any white on them. So it's not the same dog. Now, other people testified that there was the same dog. The dog was a black pit bull with white markings, and the dog in the photograph was a black pit bull with white markings. That's the dog that there's a picture with. Larry. Larry and Sheila. So, yeah, they said that that's how that goes. Now, a motorcycle gang expert testifies because the whole thing is the Bandidos did it. This guy says that most. This is Trooper Mathien, who was qualified as an expert in outlaw motorcycle gangs.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Expert, Expert.

[James Pietragallo]

He said that he worked with the Criminal Intelligence Unit of the Louisiana State Police, whose primary responsibility is the tracking and ID of outlaw motorcycle gangs. He said that the Banshees are considered an outlaw motorcycle gang. Yeah, but they're a little bit different. They're not. They don't do that much organized crime type of thing. He said the fact that Larry. Larry's tattoos had not been defaced when he was killed, meaning his tattoos were all fine, intact. Okay. Yeah. His Banshee tattoos and shit. They said there's a good.

[Jimmy Wissman]

If it's them, they're gonna fuck with those.

[James Pietragallo]

He said that to him. Tells him there's a good possibility that a member of the Banshees committed the murders. Cause they would have access to him. That's who he hangs out with. And the Banditos wouldn't have left his tattoos alone.

[Jimmy Wissman]

They'll pull your. That's. That's called pulling your badge. Isn't that gross?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, yeah, that's. And if you have to want to leave, too, they got to take them with them. So he said that the Bandidos denied any involvement in the crimes and had told him to look within the Banshee organization. That's what they heard, according to this trooper. He said the Bandidos. The guy said, I'd tell you if we did it because we'd want to brag about it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

It's like a terrorist organization if they're not Claiming credit. They didn't do it because they're only doing it to claim credit for it. That's it. So, yeah, they said, not us now. Lost Bitch said that Lost Larry had some disagreements with the Bandidos at race tracks in Baton Rouge and Shreveport. So might have been they were mad at us. So maybe they did that. They bring the detective up there and they really talk about the boxes and the type of plastic and the type of containers and ridiculous. And also that, isn't it possible that the Bandidos had performed a hit on Larry Larry and all that? And he said this. The defense attorney said to the cop, didn't you say that was possible? And the cop said, I don't remember fucking saying that. That doesn't sound like me. So they said, was Larry Larry an informant, therefore a target for rival bikers? Well, they said he was arrested many, many times, but he served little jail time. Larry Larry. So they. The lawyer said, doesn't that tell you he's an informant?

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's awfully strange, innit?

[James Pietragallo]

Not necessarily. Could just be lucky. They also brought in a DEA guy who said that while he could not normally divulge the information, he received special permission to appear in court here to talk about this. And they said that Larry. Larry and Sheila have, quote, never been DEA informants. So during cross examination, they said, is there a federal law that would allow you to lie under oath regarding such a matter? And he said, no. He said, absolutely not. He said, if the answer was something else, he would simply refuse to answer the question and say, that's confidential. I can't answer that. He said, I wouldn't lie in court. Lost Bitch testifies. She said, I know I didn't kill Larry and Sheila, and neither did my husband. She said that the murders, quote, they just fell in our laps. And then she talks about the Bandito stalking them at one point, too, meaning Lost Larry and Lost Bitch. She said they followed them after leaving a racetrack. And she said that a vehicle once rammed the couple's motorcycle trying to cause them to crash. But they never reported the incidents to law enforcement, you know, because it was within the, you know, the confines of motorcycle rivalries. In cross examination here. Now, they say you're not a member of the club because you're a female, but you knew about the problems between the Banshees and the Banditos. And she said that the Banditos wanted to coexist with the Banshees by opening up chapters where the Banshees are located. A New Orleans Banshee member testified that The Banshees and Bandidos are not at war, but actually at peace. So it would make no sense.

[Jimmy Wissman]

It's peace time right now.

[James Pietragallo]

They're actually trying to get along and like possibly get a, you know, kind of be allies rather than killing each other. They said this guy told jurors that he did find a piece of paper in his trailer where Larry Larry and Kirby lived that had DEA sensitive material in it, but that he burned it rather than taking it to the police. So there's something else. They also brought in a black spray painted board this Banshee member did, which he says Lost Bitch said she painted in the back of her truck. So this is where that paint came from. Not from. It's a coincidence that it's the exact same thing as the boxes.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

So they said that's also the box. The drops of blood are also from that. The drops of paint are also from this. It was a big board that she painted that was like an in memorial or a memoriam of the dead Banshee members. Yeah. So that's how it went. Lost Larry testifies as well.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Really?

[James Pietragallo]

He had to testify that he was working offshore. He testified that he and Lost Bitch took in Larry Larry and Kirby when they had nowhere else to go. He said many of the Banshee's motorcycle gang that he and Larry Larry belonged to told him not to take Larry Larry in because they didn't approve of his actions.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Bad guy. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

He said Larry Larry was always participating in illegal activities. And he said, but deep down he knew Larry Larry was a good guy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

18 arrest. Misunderstood.

[James Pietragallo]

Misunderstood. He's just a scamp. He's like a 12 year old who's got too much energy, that's all.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He just looks the part. And the police love that.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Cop turns around to give a ticket, he rides off on his motorcycle, spray painting it black as he goes. But Lost Larry said he would give you the shirt off his back. It'd be filthy and smelling like meth smoke, but still from the Catfish Festival. Yeah, but he'd give it to you. So he also testifies that he did not cut holes in the plastic box that held Cook's body. He also said he didn't own the caliber gun used to shoot them, which he got pulled over with the same caliber. Fucking. When they arrested him, he had a 9 millimeter gun. Wasn't the same one to shoot them, but. And then they said he had another one that was stolen when their house was ransom.

[Jimmy Wissman]

We don't even know if it's not the same one that shot them because the bullets weren't recovered, so there's nothing to match.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the other thing. They don't have no fucking idea. He said that it was not uncommon for him to go into one of his sheds and put his hands in paint. Because Cook Larry Larry had painted containers and put them in the shed.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He'd go grab some fresh painted shit in there.

[James Pietragallo]

God damn it, it's fresh paint. He said he denied the prints were made while he was cutting a hole in the storage box and denied that he cut a hole in the box at all. He said that Larry. Larry painted everything because he stole it. He said that including the shit that he didn't steal. He would paint. He just got in a. They'd wake up in the morning and he'd have painted everything. They said, Larry, Larry painted Lost Larry and lost bitch's new motorcycle that they had. He painted it, spray painted it. Their lawnmower for some reason.

[Jimmy Wissman]

I'll fucking kill you. It's brand new.

[James Pietragallo]

And their house. They came home one day and he had just painted the fucking house.

[Jimmy Wissman]

What do y' all think it's.

[James Pietragallo]

What the fuck? He also painted the garage and the kitchen cabinets.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, my God. With spray paint.

[James Pietragallo]

With spray paint. So they were like, what the fuck is going on here? So they said, this is a great line. After he explains all this. And the prosecutor goes, man, you must have wanted to kill him, huh? And he goes, no, no. Just saying he liked to paint. Shit, that's pretty fucking funny. So anyway, he said that the dog. There's a shit about the dog too, that. What's this about? You shot some dogs? And he said, well, I had shot dogs in the area. When I said I had shot several dogs, he said some dogs had been dropped off near his home and got into his trash. So he shot a bunch of dogs, which. That's what you do there, right?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Just stray dogs that were nosing through the trash, you know, just trying to survive.

[James Pietragallo]

No, you just blow them away. Shoot them. Don't take them in or try to take them to a rescue. Just shoot them. He had no recollection of shooting a particular dog.

[Jimmy Wissman]

He said, oh, I don't.

[James Pietragallo]

They all blend together. I shoot so many dogs, I don't see breed. Yeah. Holy shit, that is fucking funny. He said that it wouldn't surprise him if Larry. Larry killed the dog because he previously told Sheila that he would put a bullet in that dog because it made him mad a couple of times, which no one else said that was true. Everyone else said he was. That dog was like his child. So they go into. This is amazing. Lost bitch calls her mother Vivian Anderson or Lost Lost mama bitch over here. She said that, Cindy, Cynthia cannot be lying in all anything. She's saying, quote, because she can never keep a secret ever, her whole life. So she said she never indicated to me that she was involved in these murders. And she couldn't have kept it from me. She would have said it. So obviously she didn't do it. Now there is no physical evidence other than these fingerprints and the paint stains. They don't really have. There's no. The gun doesn't match. And the fact that they definitely shot his dog. Other than that, they don't have anything. They have ugats here.

[Jimmy Wissman]

You got your fingerprints on a package that's holding bodies.

[James Pietragallo]

That's good. That's not good. So the prosecution, in their closing, they said, well, there's a handgun owned by Lost Larry which was used to kill the dog. At least one of the boxes in which the victims was found had been painted in the back of their truck. The lid was spray painted after it had been taped to the box. So not like Lost Larry or Larry. Larry painted it. And then they did this.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Put himself in it. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Lost Larry's fingerprints were in the dried paint on the lid in which the box where the bodies were found. Anderson's fingerprints were found on the adhesive side of the duct tape to secure one of them. That's the. That's what they have now. The defense says you can't prove when or where they were even killed. You don't even know what parish they were killed in. That took you a month to figure out.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

You don't know who did it. You don't know how they were. You don't know anything. You know shit. They said the prosecution has no blood, no murder weapon, no saw. They have nothing. Quote, they have nothing. Sorry, they have nothing. And they talked about, you know, all of that shit. Now the verdict comes in. This is for both of them. It's a three hour deliberation. I believe it's eight women, four men on the jury. And they find both of the losts guilty of two counts of second degree murder. Wow.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. That is fucking interesting. And they are sentenced to. You, sir and ma' am may fuck off. Two terms each of life in prison without parole.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Oh, shit.

[James Pietragallo]

Done fucked here. Yeah. Now there's some appealing going on. 2004, they appeal. That's denied. 2006, they appeal as well on sufficiency of evidence saying that one of the many enemies of the victims could have conceived, planned and executed the murders. These two didn't have a motive for killing the victims as they had fed and clothed them and provided them with shelter and transportation. There's no prior difficulties of any kind which would show motive. The brotherhood to which they belonged entirely precluded them from harm. It was in the bylaws of the motorcycle club not allowed to kill each other.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

So, I mean, yeah, you might think I would break a law and kill a guy, but I'd never break the bylaws of the motorcycle club. That's crazy.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Those are the only laws I live by.

[James Pietragallo]

Those are the ones I live by. In another assignment of error, they said that the trial was a circus. They turned it into a security circus. So that made everybody seem like he was more guilty. As many as nine deputies from three parishes hovered around a metal detector on located within feet of the jury room and courtroom and searched people. Because it's a bunch of bikers they don't want. Yeah. They also alleged that he alleges he was escorted from another facility by as many as four police cars. Who cares? They're afraid your friends are gonna try to spring you like 48 hours. That's why we've all seen fucking 48 hours. You know what I mean? The bus flips and rolls. We gotta have that shit. He also alleges that the defense attorneys were searched four or five times each day each, even when having gone to and from the men's room located a few feet away. Okay. So anyway, no one also was allowed in the first two rows behind the defendants and their attorneys. And no less than two deputies guarded the door from to the room, but from being used by them for consultation. Okay. Also they suggested to the jury that they were, quote, very, very bad people. They find him. That's affirmed. Fuck off. So these two are still sitting in prison. Very little evidence, but I mean, pretty obvious they did it.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Minus those fingerprints. They don't get caught.

[James Pietragallo]

They have nothing.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Nothing.

[James Pietragallo]

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. They have rumors, a dead dog and nothing else. That's they fucked up good there. Put your latex gloves. Done. This whole case is over.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Unbelievable.

[James Pietragallo]

Which you should wear while you paint anyway. Why? You want to get your hands covered in bait?

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, Gloves.

[James Pietragallo]

So anyway, there you go. Everybody there is Ville Platt, L.A. never found his legs. Never found his legs.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

If anyone out there finds a pair of legs, watch out 22 years ago, they might be out there.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Yeah, they're fuzzing on the Cockadry.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, they were probably eaten by gators by now. Oh, first, yeah, they've been eaten.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Wild ass Louisiana resident. That's just like, I don't know. Give them a try.

[James Pietragallo]

Maybe they instead of exhaust pipes and a Harley sign, they turn legs into their motorcycle club emblem.

[Jimmy Wissman]

Harley sign. What's the sign on them?

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wissman]

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