The Electrician Executioner - East Hampton, New York

Summary

Small Town Murder Podcast

Episode: "The Electrician Executioner – East Hampton, New York"

Date: October 30, 2025
Hosts: James Pietragallo & Jimmie Wiseman

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Episode Overview

In this episode, comedians James Pietragallo and Jimmie Wiseman dive into the shocking 2001 murder of millionaire financier Ted Ammon in the exclusive enclave of East Hampton, New York. The hosts set the scene with their signature mix of deeply researched true crime detail and uninhibited humor, examining the saga of immense wealth, marital bitterness, lavish lifestyles, a disastrous divorce, and a working-class electrician who would flip the story into a nightmare. They highlight how intense resentment, greed, and the gulf between the super-rich and those who serve them culminated in a sensational and grisly crime.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Setting: Life in East Hampton (05:32 – 19:00)

• East Hampton’s Character: Home to America's billionaires, celebrities, and old money, with mansion-lined beaches and astronomical prices.
  • “This is where Jerry Seinfeld lives. Seinfeld’s house is on the next block!” – James (05:54)
• Local Color: Described as both stunningly beautiful and exclusionary (“Stay out, riff-raff”), where everyday workers serve the vacationing rich.
• Cost of Living:
  • Median household income is $125,861, median home price $1.2 million+, rental and real estate prices highlighted for their absurdity.
  • “$84,900,000… That’s the GDP of Luxembourg, just your house!” – James (15:01)
• What to Do: Film festivals, beach concerts (with notably silly or obscure musical acts), and the relative absence of violent crime (“As it should be” – Jimmie, 19:03).

2. The Victim: Ted Ammon’s Life Trajectory (19:03 – 56:10)

Ted’s Background (19:36 – 32:01)

• Ambitious, athletic, and bright; grew up in Pittsburgh in a classic postwar, Leave It to Beaver family.
• Passed both the U.S. and UK bar exams without law school.
  • “People that go to law school have to take it two, three times. He just passed.” – James (32:01)
• Rose quickly through New York investment banking, helping broker billion-dollar deals (notably the RJR Nabisco buyout).
• Married first wife, Randy Day, for nine years—amicable split.

Meeting Generosa (Jo) Rand (35:28 – 53:42)

• Generosa: A driven, passionate woman with a traumatic background (abandonment, being left in foster care, severe family dysfunction).
• Stuck in real estate but self-identifies as an artist—her art never gained traction (“If nobody will hang your art and you’re rich, it’s really bad art.” – James, 48:47).
• Ted is captivated by her brash honesty and beauty; they marry in 1986, quickly accumulate multimillion-dollar assets.

Founders of a Dysfunctional Dynasty (53:42 – 79:37)

• Couple is outwardly glamorous but intensely dysfunctional.
• Generosa is emotionally volatile, manipulative, and quick to cut friends off:
  • “The minute she felt rejection, she was like a woman out of control… It was almost like there was a trigger.” – James (54:24)
• Ted walks on eggshells at home, placates with luxuries.
• Their path to parenthood: Recurrent failed IVF leads them to adopt Ukrainian twins, but Generosa struggles to bond (“It was stressful to watch. She wasn’t good with them.” – Friend’s quote, 64:57).
• Ted’s business savvy: Starts Big Flower Press, becomes a multi-millionaire investor, donates generously to charities, historic preservation, and his college.

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3. The Antagonists: Divorce, Affairs, and the Electrician (79:05 – 113:15)

The Descent (79:05 – 100:08)

• Relations between Ted and Generosa deteriorate—she suspects him of having an affair (untrue), becomes obsessive and hostile, demanding an enormous divorce settlement ($2.5M/year, plus property, staff, etc.).
• Ted is resigned: “He’ll have enough money, and he doesn’t have to deal with the wife that he doesn’t like.” – James (80:10)

Enter Daniel “Danny” Pelosi (86:28 – 101:54)

• Working-class Long Island electrician with a rough, criminal background (“He’s a Long Island mook.” – James, 87:02).
• Hired to work on Generosa’s new townhouse, soon becomes her lover.
  • “He said, I ended up staying at the job instead of driving all the way back to Long Island… Nobody commutes from the city all the way to the middle of Long Island every day. Oh wait, hundreds of thousands of people do!” – James/Jimmie (98:13)
• Lavish lifestyle as Generosa’s “kept man,” blowing through Ted’s money while aiding Generosa in marital legal warfare.
• Divorce drama escalates: joint custody battles, accusations, and a toxic parental alienation campaign by Generosa (e.g., telling the children Ted was a mobster and later that he was killed by a gay lover).

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4. The Murder (113:15 – 123:06)

The Crime Scene (115:42 – 123:39)

• October 20–22, 2001: Ted is found murderously beaten (possibly castrated—rumors swirl), nude, on the bed in his East Hampton mansion.
• Blunt force trauma (baseball bat or similar), stun gun burns, scene not ransacked, security system expertly disabled and the recording hard drive removed.
  • “All these cameras and the system had all been turned off. Everything is off.” – James (116:03)
• Burglary is ruled unlikely: “Crime of passion” suspected; rumors fly rampant.
• Suspicion quickly falls on those with:
  • Access
  • Motive (inheritance, bitter divorce)
  • Knowledge of the security system

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5. The Investigation & Legal Fallout (123:39 – 186:11)

Immediate Suspects and Theories (124:29 – 150:48)

• Wild local theories: A gay tryst gone wrong, a random hustler, business enemies, Generosa, or Danny.
  • “You don’t get your dick cut off by just a random.” – Jimmie (127:12)
• Generosa acts strangely, lies to the kids about the cause of death, retains lawyers.
• Security system records implicate an inside job; Danny and Generosa both have alibis, but Danny knew the system intimately and was at the house that weekend.

Motive: The Money (144:10 – 148:35)

• Ted never changed his will: Generosa inherits $81 million, most property and assets.
• Bank freezes the estate pending investigation but eventually releases the wealth; Generosa squanders outrageous amounts, continues spending and battling with everyone, now with Danny as her partner.
  • “She left Pelosi (Danny) $2 million, the rest—$30 million+—to her adopted twins.” – (162:32)

Breaking Down Pelosi’s Guilt (151:54 – 185:38)

• DNA, fingerprints, and ballistics are muddied by shared property and lifestyle—no direct evidence, but:
  • Danny had bought multiple stun guns and referenced the security system.
  • Multiple witnesses testify Danny openly discussed killing Ted, plotting to profit by romancing the wife.
  • Cover-up behavior: immediate cleaning/detailed car, suspicious disposal of evidence (jacket, stun gun), suspicious alibi (friends, relatives, and neighbor testimony).
• Even close family (his own father and sister) testify against him—father relates Danny asked how to dispose of something incriminating the morning after the murder.
  • Danny’s father: "I'll bash in his brains while he's sleeping and cut his dick off..." (164:58)
• The children’s testimony: both remain adamant of his guilt and trauma.

Legal Outcome & Aftermath (185:38 – end)

• Danny Pelosi: Convicted of second-degree murder (March 2004), sentenced to 25 years to life.
  • “You, sir, may fuck off. Maximum of 25 to life.” – James (177:41)
• Post-trial antics: Attempts to blame others, threaten witnesses, and appeal on dubious grounds.
• Pelosis’ own ex-wife writes a memoir about being married to him.
• Generosa dies of cancer (July 2003), her fortune split between Danny and the children; Danny contests the will, spirals into criminal infractions, loses all.
• Adopted twins eventually inherit what’s left, become subjects of documentaries, and distance themselves from their parents’ toxic legacies.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Absurd Wealth:
  • “That’s like the gross domestic product of Luxembourg… Just your house.” – James (15:01)
• On Generosa’s social climbing/art ambitions:
  • “If you’re rich and can’t get your art into a gallery, it’s really, really bad art.” – James (48:47)
• On Generosa’s volatility:
  • “The minute that she felt rejection, she was like a woman out of control... Like a trigger.” – Friend of Gen (54:24)
• On class divide:
  • “[Danny] said it was the Princess and the Pauper. She’d been to every continent. I’ve been to Florida.” – James (97:34)
• On the investigation:
  • “A crime of passion… You don’t get your dick cut off by just a random…” – Jimmie (127:12)
• On the will’s timing:
  • “He was going to change it after the divorce was final—never got a chance. Generosa inherits $81 million.” – James (144:08)
• On Danny’s behavior:
  • “Danny’s the only one who knew the code to the security system. …You’re the only one, basically.” – James (136:10)

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Important Timestamps

• Life in East Hampton: 05:32 – 19:00
• Ted Ammon’s Background: 19:36 – 32:01
• Meeting and Marrying Generosa: 35:28 – 53:42
• Art, Ambition & Dysfunction: 48:41 – 56:42
• Divorce Escalates: 79:05 – 99:07
• Enter Daniel Pelosi: 86:28 – 101:22
• The Murder Scene & Discovery: 115:42 – 123:06
• Investigation Threads: 123:39 – 152:13
• Trial & Conviction: 172:08 – 178:01
• Aftermath & Legacy: 180:44 – End

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Tone & Language

Comedic, irreverent, and unapologetic, the hosts dissect class, marriage, crime, and incompetence with both empathy for the children and contempt for those who exploited wealth and power. Their language is direct, sometimes vulgar, and always punchy—dignified victims and children are treated with sympathy, and the perpetrators are ridiculed.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode explores the dark collision of wealth, jealousy, and violence in America’s most exclusive zip code. It deftly blends true crime investigation with social satire, offering both entertainment and deep insight. The tale of Ted Ammon’s murder, from his rise as a Wall Street genius to the chaos of his divorce and ultimate assassination by the man hired to work in his home, is an indictment of greed and ambition at every level—from the marble halls of the rich to the desperation of those barely scraping into their glow.

Perfect for fans of:

• True crime with an investigative edge
• Stories that dissect class conflict and social dynamics
• Absurd, dark humor about the foibles of the ultra-rich

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"You, sir, may fuck off." – James (177:41)

—A fitting epitaph for the Electrician Executioner, and the grim punchline to this story of murder in paradise.

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Sources Noted:

• Vanity Fair's “Murder in East Hampton” – Michael Shnayerson
• Almost Paradise: The Murder of Multi-Millionaire Ted Ammon in the Hamptons – Kieran Crowley

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Transcript

[James Pietragallo]

Morning Zoe.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Got donuts.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm Jimmy Wisman.

[James Pietragallo]

Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another absolutely crazy edition of Small Town Murder. This is wild, wild stuff that we have for you today. This is like seeing in the window of a mansion and seeing dirty stuff that's going on. It's weird as, oh it's fucking for all of us regular people this is a crazy story and it's an interesting thing. We will get to that. First of all, shutupandgivemerder.com head there right now. Tickets for live shows. Get your tickets for the virtual live show. If you're listening to this today, it comes out on Wednesday night. It's Thursday. Thursday, October 30th is the day. It's the day before Halloween. It's available for two weeks after that too. So if you listen to this late and you go I missed it. You didn't miss it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

You can still buy it and get it. It's Just like a regular live show, except you can watch it any in the world with Internet. We'll have the screen and the jokes and the pictures. And we'll be wearing costumes too, because it's Halloween. So let's look like idiots. What do you say? Evidently, what we do, that's what we do here. So that's gonna be a lot of fun. And also get some tickets. We just released a few. I think there's still a couple left for Philadelphia in December. D.C. is sold out. So thank you for doing that. That is shutupandgivemerder.com Also listen to our other two shows, Crime in Sports, where we have a very in depth, awesome series going on about Billy Martin right now, the crazy ex Yankee manager. And also listen to your stupid opinions where we make fun of people's reviews of everything and anything from all over the Internet. That's a lot of fun. Then get yourself patreon. Patreon.com crimeinsports just like the name of that show you should be listening to. That's where you get everything. All the bonus material. Anybody, $5 a month or above. You're gonna get everything that we offer hundreds of episodes of bonus stuff immediately upon subscription for binging new ones every other week. One Crime in Sports, one Small Town Murder. And you get them all, baby.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Every bit of it.

[James Pietragallo]

This week we're gonna talk about for crime and sports, drama behind team relocations. When teams move cities, that makes people crazy. And there's been a lot of drama teams sneaking off in the middle of the night to knock me so nobody notices. It's wild.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Back the bus then.

[James Pietragallo]

For Small Town Murder for Halloween, we're gonna do the top ha in every state. There's multiple lists I've seen out. So we'll make fun of how, you know, some of them are creepy and some of them are just silly. So stupid. So we'll make fun of all of that and more. That is patreon.com crimeinsports and you get all the shows. Small Town Murder, crime and sports. And your stupid opinions all ad free. Unbelievable as well. And that's not enough to get a shout out at the end of the show where Jimmy will mess your name all up. Absolutely. You can't beat it. Do that. It's the best five bucks you'll ever spend. That said, disclaimer time. This is a comedy show. We are comedians. The murder is. Murders are insanely real. Unfortunately, everything that we say is factual. Nothing is made up for comedic effect or any silly stuff like that because you don't have to. No. The murders we pick are so crazy, they make their own comedy in the stupidity of a murderer that we'll make fun of. Or if a police force obviously lets a murderer go and then they kill more people, we'll make fun of that. There's a lot of stuff to make fun of here. But what we don't do, we never make fun of is we never make fun of the victim or the victim's family.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why, James?

[James Pietragallo]

Because we're assholes. But we're not scumbags. See, it's real easy how that works there. So if that sounds good to you, you're gonna hear a wild, wild story. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, we could possibly not be for you. But I think maybe you should give it a shot and see what you think. Either way, no complaining later. That said, I think it's time to sit back. Everybody all take a deep breath here. And arms to the sky. Let's all shout, shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

Let's go on a trip.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Shall we? We're going to New York this week.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nice place.

[James Pietragallo]

It's not. Well, this is a really nice place we're going to. We're going to East Hampton, New York, which is. It's actually. This is Texans. Yeah, the Hamptons. This is way out on the end of Long Island. This is where the richest of the rich people have houses. Not where they live, where they spend summers and weekends.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Fuck out of there.

[James Pietragallo]

And things like that. This is hedge fund manager billionaires Jerry Seinfeld where this takes place this week. Seinfeld's house is on the next block. Oh. So, I mean, we're talking people with hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars live here. It's crazy stuff. This is actually. It happened in East Hampton Village, but that's inside East Hamp. That doesn't really matter. It's just a smaller part of East Hampton. It's like I said, eastern tip of Long Island. About two hours to New York City. It's a trek over there about 2 hours and 15 minutes to Chappaqua, New York. Our last New York episode, Murder by moonlight, back in early June, I believe. That was a crazy one. This is in Suffolk county out here. Area code 631 and 934. The motto here is, quote, america's most beautiful village.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Stay out, riffraff.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. Well, unless you're gonna do my landscaping or something, stay out. That's the thing that people that actually live here are the people that service all of these rich people. Those are the people that live here. So the stats are kind of interesting. Little bit of history here. The village of easthampton, founded in 1648 by Puritan farmers. Oh, yeah. The community was based on farming with some fishing and whaling.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Sure, sure.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. There's no more farming going on out.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Here or much whaling, right.

[James Pietragallo]

No, it's illegal now to whale anymore. All right, well then, yeah, there's like two countries on earth that whale and it's like Japan and Faroe island literally is the only two countries that wail.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Does Alaska allow some Still a little bit.

[James Pietragallo]

It's America. I doubt it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I mean, like the northern, like native area.

[James Pietragallo]

Yes, I think they have. Yeah. If there's actually people going out with a fucking harpoon, you know, that's. Do they probably let a tribe of people do that or something like that. But you can't go like a big fishing boat and go out there.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, I think they're. I don't think they're trapping them.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Like if.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Native tribes in. That's.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, they have to do something.

[James Pietragallo]

Doing that for thousands of years. Go ahead and keep doing it. So now whales that washed up on the beach were butchered and whales were hunted offshore with rowboats a lot of times manned by Montauk Indians. So that's how that.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, that's what Montauk is named after that.

[James Pietragallo]

Everything here is named after a tribe from Wappingers. It's the Wappinger tribe. Same. It was the 1910s and 20s that they started building the luxury estates. And that's when it became a big deal.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Really.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, yeah. This.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They figured out. Summer's pretty fucking nice.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, yeah, the summer by the beach and wow, we got a beach over here. We probably shouldn't just be farming. Oh, it's beautiful out there. Beautiful out there. Reviews of this town. Here we go. Here's five stars. I have lived in East Hampton all my life. So for 18 years.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, an 18 year old.

[James Pietragallo]

This is an 18 year old. East Hampton is where I grew up. We knew that. You just said you've lived there your whole life. Went to. That means you're.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You're going to say the same thing over and over again.

[James Pietragallo]

So you're either really rich or you hate rich people. One of the two went to school, made friends and learned so much. East Hampton is located in a beautiful area at the end of Long island. And I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Anywhere else. Yeah, that's Right.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And this shit's super flat. Right? There's not a.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no. It's a beehive. No, no, no.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

This is.

[James Pietragallo]

There's no flat. There's no hills over here. Here's three stars. I love the beaches in East Hampton. They are beautiful and are always protected by lifeguards in the summer. Imagine what these people paying taxes. There should be a lot of lifeguards. Teams should be the old, like, Baywatch teams. Just smoking hot chicks in bikinis and big muscular guys.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

How many beaches you been on on the West Coast? Have you ever seen a fucking lifeguard?

[James Pietragallo]

I'm not a beach guy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No, I've seen that.

[James Pietragallo]

I like a rocky beach. I like a hoodie wearing this.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I never see those. I mean, those towers are everywhere. Never got a person.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no. Here they do. They got them here. They got teams. So you always feel safe going into the water. Although the traffic is crazy. Since summer. Since summer, it's always hard to get around.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

All right. Okay, People in this town. Here we go. Population of East Hampton is 27,626. In Easthampton village, it's about 1500.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

So that's like kind of the southern part of East Hampton. More women than men. Because these are a lot of wealthy people, too, that the women will outlive the men. Here it's 52% women, 52.2% women. Median age is older than the norm. It's 46.7. Again, money usually takes you longer to make it. That makes sense.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Is the south side of the island.

[James Pietragallo]

The East Hampton village is. East Hampton itself is just kind of the end of the island there. 59% married. Wow. So all these stats. It's so rich. Basically. Very few people are single with children. It's too expensive to get a divorce here. Yeah, it's just too expensive.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It costs you half. Listen, half of what I had when I got divorced wasn't a lot.

[James Pietragallo]

No, this is like half. They're like, we're just gonna stay. The house is pretty big. You take that side, I'll take this side. We're living in a 6,000 square foot house. We don't need to get a divorce.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Half of that fortune is five times what one person dreams of making.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, exactly. Race in this town. 73.7% white, 2.5% black, 1.9% Asian, 20.9% Hispanic. The religion here, 72.6% religious. Yeah. I guess if you had millions of dollars, you'd believe there must be a God. They're Providing for me. I'm being provided for. And a whopping 60% of the people here are Catholic.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Is that right?

[James Pietragallo]

As we know, Catholics are the Baptists of the North. There we go. Here. Average unemployment rate here. Median household income here is 125,861.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They're doing great.

[James Pietragallo]

They're doing great. But that's not even. That's not like the summertime residents that make the millions and millions. That's the people that live here. Cost of living, though, is tough. That's the problem. Cost of living everywhere in the country is at 100. That's average. Here it's 147.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Golly.

[James Pietragallo]

The housing is. This is out of 100 now. 100 is average. 623. Median home cost here, $1,237,400.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, dear Lord.

[James Pietragallo]

And I think that's actually low when we do this because you know what? If we've convinced you, damn it, you've done well in life, your hedge fund is really cooking and blossoming. We have for you the East Hampton New York real estate report. Average two bedroom rental here. You need some roommates. $2,820, which is like Manhattan prices a month. Here is a one bedroom, one bath, 360 square feet. It's a room. It's a big room. It's a condo. Very tiny condo. Sort of near the water, but really tiny. $595,000 for that. 360 square feet.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I guess that's just a getaway for somebody.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, that's for someone who works there. Nobody who has money would go stay in this hole. It's a little. It's literally a fucking depressing room. It looks like one of those places where like, if you, if you're in like a foreign country, but you're like a dignitary or something, but you get arrested. They don't put you in jail. They put you in like an office room. Like that's what it feels like. I'm not allowed to leave. But it's not like prison. There's a real bed and a TV, but I can't leave.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

10:30 seems big enough to dress it up and make it, you know, I mean, with a bathroom and a small kitchen in there, you can make it a little like a cabin, I guess.

[James Pietragallo]

That is rough. Here's a two bedroom, one bath, 665 square foot.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Little tiny house, two times that other one.

[James Pietragallo]

Nice inside, but little tiny house. And it's like among mansions, someone had a little tiny property. That never sold it. $1.3 million for 600. 665 square feet. Built in 1940. This house was back when they were building cottages. So it's an original. Then finally. 8 bedroom, 12 bath. Tea bowl for each and every B hole. Invite some b hole friends. Over 13,176 square feet.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

On 3.6 acres directly on the water.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

3 acres of water.

[James Pietragallo]

3.6 acres directly on the Water. Private beachfront. Gorgeous. Insane. 25 $84,900,000. $84,000,000 Billionaire housing. That is. That is. I have. How can 300 fucking billion dollars. I'm gonna.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's crazy.

[James Pietragallo]

That's insane. That's absolute insanity. Think about that.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I can't wrap my head around.

[James Pietragallo]

I can't either. $84,900,000.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Holy shit.

[James Pietragallo]

That's. It feels like you should be able to buy a basketball team for that much. Right? But you can't anymore. But still.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

But the guy that owns that probably owns a basketball team also.

[James Pietragallo]

You'd have to. That's. That's who lives here. People like that. I mean, who the hell can buy $85 million for a house? It's crazy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I can't even wrap. I can't.

[James Pietragallo]

That's like the gross domestic product of Luxembourg. Just your house. That's ridiculous.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's a fascinating thought.

[James Pietragallo]

Things to do here. Okay, we have the first of all, the film festival. They have a East Hampton film festival. The Hamptons International Film Festival.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They're tired of going to Tribeca. Tired of this two hour drive.

[James Pietragallo]

We're out here. Entertain us. It's held over five days in mid October. So maybe they hold it to try to get some of the people to come back for October a little bit. Maybe for the business there. They have kind of stuff like that. They also have the Tuesdays at Main beach music series. So every Tuesday you show up at this beach and they have a. In the summer they have a different band. Yeah, this is all summer long. We have. Let's see, Starting in. What is this? Oh, yeah. Starting.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They're getting good acts.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, no, they're not.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, maybe they. I don't know any of these acts. Jetty Coon? Nope. K O O N with Hot Lava? Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

No. Lynn Blue Band?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nope.

[James Pietragallo]

How about the Conga Cartel?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

There's a problem. These people have so much money. Why are they hiring this?

[James Pietragallo]

I don't know why they don't. I mean, I'm sure we know Ludacris is available if you're having a County Fair. He's Nelly. You get Nelly in there? Sarah Conway.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

Maybe Conway Twitty's Jimmy Conway's kid. I don't know. Loan sharks. Not like they're loaning you money. But L O N E. Loan shark. Suck. Plural. Plural. Loan.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Make it make sense.

[James Pietragallo]

Our new gang is called the Lone Wolves. That's what it is. We're getting our jackets. Man.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Lone Wolves.

[James Pietragallo]

Baby.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That was the joke in Airheads. That they were the Lone Rangers.

[James Pietragallo]

The Lone Rangers. That's the point. That's impossible. Four track. Maybe they're just very old.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Is there four of them?

[James Pietragallo]

And that's what they. Maybe Nancy Atlas. Okay.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

Holiday Ramblers.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I can't fucking believe this.

[James Pietragallo]

This is great. The Holiday Ramblers. Hello Brooklyn. Which is a Beastie Boy song. Who do loungers? Who do H O O D O O.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Who do. Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

Who do loungers. And then a obvious Saved by the Bell reference. Also the Bayside Tigers.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Is that right?

[James Pietragallo]

Which is the Saved by the Bell High School.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's hysterical. I like that one.

[James Pietragallo]

I've listened to that. That's pretty funny. Reeb R E E B. Which is, I think like Reba McEntire's new rap act she's trying to put together. Just Reeb shorten it up for the kids.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Watch the attention spans.

[James Pietragallo]

The attention spans are low. Reba Mac. Too much to say. Reeb The Inner Roots will be there. Oh, you never heard of them? No. No. Okay. You said oh. I was like maybe.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

We're getting close to Van.

[James Pietragallo]

So dirty. Organic. Uh huh. And the Rum Punch Mafia. I can't.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I seriously can't believe this.

[James Pietragallo]

So they have the Rum Punch Mafia and the Conga Cartel. You should put them together. They'd fight. Probably. Then the Cherry Bombs also will be there.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Some punk rock or something.

[James Pietragallo]

I guess someone called Winston Irie. Which I assume is a reggae act. That's all I can think. And Rubix with an X. Cube with a K. No cool. Man. Stop all caps. That's gotta be techno. That sounds like electronic shit. Definitely.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm so mad.

[James Pietragallo]

And then Hot Lava will be there.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They opened the show.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh yeah. Hot Lava. They're gonna do both. Crime rate here. What we're interested in.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm beside myself. That's all summer.

[James Pietragallo]

That's all summer long. But that's probably for like local beach trash. You go. Rich people aren't going down to mingle.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So this is like.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

We're making Billy Joel play tonight if that shit's up.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Forcing him. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm knocking on his door. Get out of here.

[James Pietragallo]

He's probably playing at party somewhere anyway.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And go to the Reeb's annoying me. Billy. Get out of here.

[James Pietragallo]

Get out of here. Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in and should be non existent in this town, really. Property crime is about 1/3 under the national average.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Still too high.

[James Pietragallo]

There's a lot of shit to steal, though. That's one thing. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is less than half the national average as it should be there. So that said, let's talk about some murder here, because this is wild. Okay, let's start out with a man. Let's talk about a man here. Robert Theodore. I know. I know what you're thinking. Not Bundy. No, no. I saw Jimmy's face. He's like. Oh, shit. Yeah. Robert Theodore Ammon. A M M O N. Goes by Ted.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, yeah, why not?

[James Pietragallo]

If you're Robert Theodore, you're Ted. Yeah, almost similar age too. He's born August 30, 1949. So similar. I think Bundy's born 44.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Was he that.

[James Pietragallo]

Was he that I want to say.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Was he older then?

[James Pietragallo]

I want to say 44, 45. He was born something like that. So same area, same generation. His parents are Robert, not senior. They have different middle names. And Betty Lee is his mom. He's got a sister named Sandy with an I. Yeah, that's important. Sandy with an I. Sandy. His dad was a. A sergeant in the U.S. army during World War II. Oh, so he was born to military shit. Yeah, dad was in the war type shit. Well, at least also Dad's seen some shit, so. Yeah, dad could be. Usually. Those guys are tough.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Dad gets some grace around here.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, dad has a couple drinks when he comes home and might smack somebody once in a while. But he had to fight Hitler, so he let it go.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

So we let him have the piece of chicken.

[James Pietragallo]

We let him go. Yeah, he gets exactly. He gets the old Chris Rock joke.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And the last piece of pizza. He gets everything.

[James Pietragallo]

That's all. You gotta give it to dad. Now, Ted is born at the Allegheny General Hospital on the north side of Pittsburgh. Oh, that's right. His dad was a steel executive, but not a hugely. Back then, a steel executive, unless you were like one of the top few guys didn't make the kind of money that executives make. Now, executives used to make five times what the average worker made. Now it's 7,000 times.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's doing fine, but he's not Carnegie.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no, no. He's still blue collar. He's still blue collar. I think he worked his way up to this too. Like now Ted, when he's in the eighth grade, his father's transferred to East Aurora, New York to run a whole steel plant. Now East Aurora is just outside Buffalo. So that's going from Pittsburgh to Buffalo. Snow to more snow. Not a far move. It's really not. So Ted's father wanted him to follow in his footsteps, get a job in the steel industry at one of these companies and work his way up like he did. Which is fine at that time. But if Ted chose to do that, it would all fall apart for him because by the mid-70s the steel industry was falling apart and nothing. Nowadays they're find a job in the steel industry in America. It's not real easy to do. So that's kind of. He's lucky Ted that Ted wasn't interested in that because he would have found nothing but pain.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Is there a lot of steel being produced anymore?

[James Pietragallo]

Not like there used to be, no, no. Otherwise it would just been Allentown. Basically the Allen Billy Joel again Allentown song is what ended up happening to all that shit, to coal and steel and everything. So anyway, that's what he wanted. Ted though wanted to do something else. He wanted to. He had ambitions, he wanted to make money. He wanted to make money. And the blue collar thoughts aren't for make lots of money. Go get yourself a good living. Look, I have a house, we have.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Two cars, you'll never starve.

[James Pietragallo]

I'll be able to retire. That's what you need to do to yourself. And that's especially that generation of the depression and World War II and all that, they really thought like that. And the kids that came up after that, the baby boomers were like, I'm going to make money. They had a different thought. So Ted would come home from school, do his homework, eat dinner every night at 6:30 exactly on the dot, dinner had to be ready. His father coached his little league team, which is interesting. Ted's a tall guy. He's going to turn out to be 6 4, kind of a muscular, lean but muscular 6 4. He's a swimmer on the swimming team and he plays lots of sports, so he's doing well now. They would go their family during the summer there was a family owned New Jersey shore house. So they go to the New Jersey shore for a while. They'd also go to Ames, Iowa where they had family and they would spend a couple weeks on their grandparents Farm sitting in the country. So Ted had a very much leave it to Beaver kind of a life. You know, dad came home with a tie at five o' clock and, you know, mom had the house tidy and very black and white, very Leave it to Beaver type of thing. I think he's about Beaver's age too. In high school, he's on the football team and the swimming team. He's a real popular guy. Got tons of pretty girlfriends. He's a charismatic, successful, tall, athletic guy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What else is there?

[James Pietragallo]

I mean, you're gonna get, you're gonna get some, you're gonna get some trim. In high school if you're, if you're like that. Sometimes that all falls apart for people later on. But Ted's ambitious. Now. Ted was like to work on things. He's like, he's their house's handyman, ma' am's man. He knows what to do. He likes to figure out how things work. He's real smart. Likes to take things apart, put it back together, figure out how to repair them.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Well, the take apart part's easy.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the. Oh, that's the easy part. Yeah, any, anybody on a quarter gram of meth can do that. Putting it back together is the hard part. So. Yeah, his mother and father were very proud of him. They said he, he would take a lot of pride in doing things without being told. Oh, so, you know, they wouldn't have to tell Ted to do things. He'd just do things.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Son of a bitch.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, of course, Ted. By the way, there's some stuff from a book here and some stuff from a very good investigative article also. So I'll give the, the names and titles and authors and all that later on too. Give them their due. So he didn't even like instruction manuals, Ted. What, he didn't want to do it. He said, well, that's cheating. No, that's cheating. You got to figure it out yourself.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's how you put it together, right?

[James Pietragallo]

So that's more fun to learn it on your own.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

If I don't read those, that's how I return shit.

[James Pietragallo]

I can't put shit together with instructions. You give me an IKEA desk and the instructions, six hours later I'm taking it apart because I put it together backwards and I don't know what I'm doing. I can't put shit together.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No, no, the top is upside down.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, I'm so bad. It took me like 12 hours to put a desk together one day. I was like, this is ridiculous.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I bought Two cabinets. Wayfair. And those instructions are just as.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, they're ridiculous. I built it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And I'm like, it's upside down. And then all you have to do is flip it over.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm like, that's not right.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay. That's.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It doesn't even look like the picture.

[James Pietragallo]

That certainly isn't Wayfair's fault. I think that is. That's your fault.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's a problem.

[James Pietragallo]

It's upside down.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's definitely a problem.

[James Pietragallo]

Jesus Christ.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

But it's not. I couldn't recognize why there was a problem. And that there's the problem.

[James Pietragallo]

How many beers into the night were you. Please tell me this is 11am no alcohol.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

This is just stupid. Me going, why is it back?

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, no. Okay. I was gonna. I'm giving you all the outs. I can blame alcohol. Nope. Anything else?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Stupidity. Just an absolute moron.

[James Pietragallo]

That's fair. That's fair. Jesus Christ. He liked doing shit that he thought people thought was impossible. A lot.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It is impossible. To put it together without him.

[James Pietragallo]

Took it as a challenge. He was chosen to be the anchorman of the swim team. So he's good at that. He ends up going to Bucknell University.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Where's Bucknell?

[James Pietragallo]

I'm not sure. I think it's in Pennsylvania or New Jersey. I can't remember. But I know every once in a while they make the basketball tournament and don't do very well, but they make it. I think they're a smart school. 10 majors in economics at Buckdale University. Which is nothing like what his dad said to do. Go get an entry level job and work your way up. He joined the Phi Gamma Delta frat starting in his sophomore year. He's playing on the varsity lacrosse team. Knee deep. Doing it in college. Poon. He is doing great lacrosse too.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Lacrosse is majestic.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

Now back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, it brings more dark.

[James Pietragallo]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

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[Jimmy Wiseman]

Now back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

Then once he graduates. This is wild. He doesn't go to law school. Okay, no law school, but yet passes both the bar exam in the United States and in England and England without going to law school.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I mean, the bar. It sets precedent.

[James Pietragallo]

People that go to law school have to take it two, three times. He didn't go to law school and just pass these tests. I've heard of people doing that before. But you got to be pretty smart.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You've got to know what you're talking about and be learned.

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely. He works at a couple law firms kind Of Restless. There he marries a woman. He finds a woman named Randy Day.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

So you can get a law license without going to school.

[James Pietragallo]

As long as you can pass the bar.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's all it is. Just pass the bar?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, you pass the bar. I mean, it's gonna be hard to get hired somewhere. If they go, where'd you go to law school? And you go, I didn't. I just read a book.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Crushed ass in this fucking.

[James Pietragallo]

That's more difficult. But if you're really smart, yeah, they might take that as, you know, you're like a will hunting type of deal. And they might. Prodigy might want you. So Randy with two E's. Randy Day. They're married for about nine years, from the early 70s to about 1980, 81ish. And then they break up. Pretty amicable. Sure. They both got married pretty young in their early twenties and grew apart. They didn't have any kids. If you don't have any kids, a divorce is easy. Especially if you don't have any kids and you don't have, like, tons of assets to break up. You just go, so I get my shit. Can I have the coffee table? I guess? Yeah, you get the tv. That's it. You break up.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's pretty great if you can do it amicably.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the thing with no kids. It helps because that's where the acrimony comes in.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Well, there's that and then the one still in love, and the other one's clearly not.

[James Pietragallo]

If you have that, these two just grew apart.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's great.

[James Pietragallo]

They were like, yeah, this isn't working right. So in 1979, he's 30. He joins the firm of Kohlberg, Kravis Roberts.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Sounds like it.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Yes. And this is where they're gonna do. He's doing a bunch of investment stuff. Now he's gonna get into, like, investment banking, which is where the money is. That's where everyone in the Hamptons is. Investment bankers, hedge fund managers, all those guys. All that money shit that I can't figure out.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I don't know what one is, but I've heard hedge funds are amazing.

[James Pietragallo]

I don't know. I don't think we're rich enough to know what that is. I don't think we have nearly enough money to know what a hed or to know how it works even more.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Just sounds like somebody that manages it, gets all the money.

[James Pietragallo]

No shit. So he's a big, tall, successful, handsome guy making good money. At this point, 1983, he becomes one of the youngest Partners at Kohlberg, Kravis Roberts and company in their history and was involved in a RJR Nabisco buyout. He was part of the negotiations of a $38 billion buyout. Merger type situation. So huge deal. That's one of those. If you make a big deal like that, everyone in that industry knows who you are. They know your name, they see it in the magazines.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And you just made a giant pile of cash.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. So he's made a big pile of cash. He's a partner. He is looking for a suitably.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Where do I live?

[James Pietragallo]

That's the thing. A suitably up to his standards. Apartment in Manhattan at this point.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, get a 300 square foot joint out on the island.

[James Pietragallo]

I gotta. I know a place for you now. He's gonna move down to the Village. It's still a shooting gallery down there. He's still gonna go move down there. Really wants to live with junkies in a hovel? No, he's looking for a real nice midtown around the park type of rich guy joint. So he sets up a call with a real estate agent to go look at some stuff here. Real estate agent is Generosa. Joe Marie Legay. Rand. That's her name.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's a woman's name.

[James Pietragallo]

That's a woman's name. Generosa.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

G E N E R O S A Generosa.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You said several other words.

[James Pietragallo]

Jo Mary is her middle name. Legay, which is a family name. And then Rand is also part of her name. So that's part of her name. Those are two family names at the end. She's born March 22, 1956, about seven years younger than our guy Ted here. So they made the appointment for the early evening hour right after work to look at an apartment in the low 90s, not in terms of price, in terms of street location. On the far. On the east side of Manhattan. So Upper east side, he's looking at right now, right by the park State. It's a little high, but still, it's still. The park's still there. The park ends about 1 10th or whatever. So is it 1 10th before that? But it doesn't matter. It's Upper east side. Kind of old farty money type of place. But that's where nice stuff is too.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

So he didn't show up for the appointment. He's busy and he forgets shit, basically. So the next morning he got a call at his office from the real estate agent, Jenna Rosen. She's pissed off.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

She said, listen, this is bullshit. Yeah. Number one, don't waste my time. I'm a busy person. Number two, it's rude to do that. Number three, you left me standing outside after dark in New York City in 1983, which is not safe to do for a single attractive woman too. She's like a blonde, attractive 27 year old or something. So she was pissed. She's like, this is ridiculous. So he heard all this and he's getting lit up on the phone by some lady he's never met before. Never met her, never saw her before. But he said, you wanna go out on a date with me?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm in love with you.

[James Pietragallo]

Cause I like your attitude. He liked it. He said, you didn't just say, hey, you know, you wanna come? He said, hey, fuck. She said, fuck you.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

By the way, can you leave these messages on my phone for the rest of my life, please?

[James Pietragallo]

I like getting my balls broken with someone. She didn't take the shit. And he said, I like that. And he said, let me take you out to apologize. Let me take you out on a date to apologize. Like I said, he never saw her before, so he has no idea what she even looks like. And then he meets her, and she's slim and blonde and a little younger than him.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Smoke show.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's like, shit, boy, did I make the right choice.

[James Pietragallo]

Great. Yeah. That's why she's got attitude. I guess he figured anyone with that attitude must be hot. He's like, I'm not hot enough to have that attitude. I don't know who is. She must be really, really confident in herself. So she told him, you know, number one, she's very opinionated, very passionate person. She told him that this rental agent shit that I'm doing here, real estate stuff, this is just my day job.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm an artist. Oh, that's how it really is. I'm really an artist.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

But that doesn't pay fucking bills, obviously.

[James Pietragallo]

So now a little bit about Generosa. Let's tell her a little of her story here because she's got some backstory to her. Boy, she is not from a stable environment like Ted is. Ted's from a very stable Leave it to Beaver. He is. I mean, think about that. Now, she said that her and her older sister were raised by their single mother for a while. Anyway, we'll talk about who is a church secretary named Marie Therese Legay. That's where the Legay part comes in. And Rand will be her husband. Now, she says she was raised in Laguna Beach, California, but that's that's also kind of at different times. When she was 10, her mother died of brain cancer.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Dang.

[James Pietragallo]

I think she had breast cancer and brain cancer now, I guess when she was going through her mother's photo albums, she came upon a photograph of a blonde sailor, not an American sailor from somewhere else. On the back of the picture was one word written, my love, Generoso. No idea. That's two words. And I think I was gonna tell you in the next breath what it was.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I assumed it was gonna be like her dad.

[James Pietragallo]

Wait, Generoso? Yes. If you just waited a second, you'd have got that.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I wouldn't have even put that together.

[James Pietragallo]

No, Generoso is the man's name.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh.

[James Pietragallo]

Which is also her name. So she goes, wait a second. How the fuck do we have the same name? And her older sister said, okay. Didn't want to tell you this, but our mom banged a guy in Italy. Guy in Italy named Generoso. She realized she was pregnant and decided to keep the baby anyway.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

So that's. You're a quickie Italian sailor. Affair. Who she named after the man.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Amazing.

[James Pietragallo]

Amazing. So, yeah. Apparently he was in town at her Long beach apartment. They had a very passionate week long affair.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

So she went to see him off at the dock and you know all of this. And he had the photo of him in the uniform and gave her an address. The next month. She's pregnant. She wrote him. He never answered. Wrote her again, wrote him over and over again. Never received an answer from him. So either he drowned in the Italian navy or.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Or he did not put up with the.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm gonna not talk to this lady. All right. Can they enforce the child supporter from Long Beach?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

Hey, I see a crumple. Crumple. And in the garbage. Yeah. There we go. All right.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

So good.

[James Pietragallo]

He doesn't give a fuck. Poor lady singing. Time to say goodbye to him. So, yes. So there she was. Generosa was born. And she gave the. She was married the. Her mom. So she gave the baby her husband's last name, Rand, because it was just easier, basically.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

He's a married woman. And, you know, she doesn't live with her husband. But it looks better if it looks like her husband knocked her up. Especially in the 50s. Sure. You know what I mean. So she started raising the daughter. But she's a big hard partier because she already had three kids when she was banging Generoso in the apartment. So the family didn't use Generosa's first name, which is interesting. They always called her Joe. Her middle name is Jo. Mary. One word. J O, Mary. And they just called her Joe. Her whole family, but then everyone else calls her Generosa later on. So her and her sister become very close, and they have to be close because their mother would go off for days at a time and just leave them alone. So they had to huddle up and figure it out for themselves. But then when she ends up dying, she says that she felt abandoned by her mother, not only because she died, but because she was abandoning all the way up until dying. She believed that her mother had resented her from birth because she was illegitimate and kind of put a cloud over everything. She had to give her a different last name and lie about where she came from and all that. So she always thought her mother didn't want her and also didn't protect her. Generosa said, I'm not gonna be like that. I'm not gonna be some fucking bum lady who's looking for some guy to take care of her. I am gonna make money. I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be a somebody. I'm gonna be somebody good for her. So, yeah, it's amazing to get that.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Life lesson out of that.

[James Pietragallo]

And if I have kids, I'm not gonna be a shitty mother.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She said, imagine living.

[James Pietragallo]

Protect my kids.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Imagine living a very repressed life and then dying of all those cancers together. At least that lady seems like she lived it up for a minute.

[James Pietragallo]

I was gonna say, I don't think she lived a repressed life.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No, no.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what I mean.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Good for her.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Mom lived to the fullest.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She had to. She didn't even know she had to.

[James Pietragallo]

No, she did. Otherwise. Yeah. She decided basically later on that her mother's death was actually a good thing. Yeah. She said later she would tell people later on that it was the best thing that ever happened to her, her mother dying, which is insanely weird.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I mean, being. Being content with enclosure is fine, but don't go with that.

[James Pietragallo]

She said it actually, quote, was the answer to her prayers.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, my God.

[James Pietragallo]

She didn't want to be part of that. Now, within a. Within a while after this, her uncle and his new wife ends up taking them in. She's about 10 years old. They go to live with the uncle and aunt, I guess the uncle. Their aunt was a lawyer. The uncle is the relation. The aunt is just married to the uncle. Here. This is to go in Emerald Bay, which is a community on the coast just north of Laguna Beach.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nice.

[James Pietragallo]

We were just there for the show, the Irvine Emperor. That's a really nice area because we stayed in Laguna Beach. It was gorgeous. So really nice houses. It's beautiful. The views of the Pacific Ocean, they're crazy. Problem is, during this, and we don't know what the truth or whatever, but apparently the uncle has started. Uncle, the aunt, both of them. There was molestation going on in this house. Like repeated molestation going on here, which is not great at the same time, after a little while, they end up being in a foster home after that, which makes it better than being molested.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

So we're like, that's a fascinating development.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Her and her sister, because there's four kids. But her and her sister are the ones around the same age. So they get shipped around together, her and her sister Dolly. By the time she was 17, she told her friend, well, when she's 17, she'll later tell a friend that her older sister was killed by a hit and run driver.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Is that right?

[James Pietragallo]

That's what she'll say. Yeah. She said her sister was her only protection against an abusive home life because she said her sister was older and was a little more would protect her. So she ends up enrolling in college. Actually, she goes to the University of California at Irvine and just basically doesn't talk to the adopted family anymore where there may or may not have been molestation. She graduated in 1981 from college and came to New York all by herself and found work as a real estate apartment agent. So that's what she was doing.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

If you get molested near the beach, that'll make you hate the fucking beach.

[James Pietragallo]

That'll make. Yeah, I guess so.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Move in a minute. She polar opposite.

[James Pietragallo]

The smell of salt water is gonna really give you bad fucking vibes going on. So this is starting out on the low part of the ladder here to be a rental agent in New York. You want to be selling big apartments. That's where the money is. So anyway, that's who Ted has found. Unbelievable generosity. He likes her so. He likes her so much that In February of 1986 they get married. Well, yeah, he's ready to go. Three years. Three years. It's not bad. Oh, yeah, yeah. 83. They met. They lived on Fifth Avenue at 75th street, which is.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Park. Right on the park.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's fucking fifth Avenue.

[James Pietragallo]

That's beautiful. I mean, that's the spot you want to live in if you live in New York, man. Then they bought a townhouse on East 92nd street between 5th and Madison Avenues as well.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Eat your heart. Out, Mom.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Upper east side. That is nice shit. Yeah. So that's within the park. Said the 90s is still the park and all that shit. So it's not bad at all. Ted starts making huge money. That's what he's doing this whole time in the 80s, all this go, go, yuppie 80s investment banking bullshit. He is. I mean, he. He jumped on a train that was moving. It's like, where are we going? To fucking Moneyville. Oh, shit. Really? You didn't even know it was going there. There's no way to know that. But that's where he is.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Right? That's where I wanted to go.

[James Pietragallo]

Great. Oh, Moneytown. Perfect. So. And he. He was very successful at kkr, the company going from deal to deal and crushing shit. And one of his colleagues said about ted, he has 700 ideas at a time. 697 of which are completely ridiculous and three of which are totally brilliant that no one thought of yet. Which is. That's kind of how people are successful people. They said that he seemed. It wasn't even the money. That was the end game. He had a ton of money and was doing great. So at this point, it was the way you put a deal together is what he was into. He was into that. He's into the nuts and bolts and details of all that kind of shit. And then at the end, you get a big fat paycheck, too.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's pretty nice.

[James Pietragallo]

It's pretty cool. They said that even when he became the company's point man for R.J. reynolds, after the mother of all. What is this? Oh, the mergers here after the RJR Nabisco takeover. It was those two things together. Yeah. He became the point man for that. That's when he really made all the partners millions of dollars. And they love him.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

When you said RJR a minute ago, I was like, I know that big company.

[James Pietragallo]

I know that. What is that?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

R.J. reynolds.

[James Pietragallo]

R.J. reynolds, yeah. Yeah. Now, Generosa, she doesn't have to show apartments anymore.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

So she is into art now.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

She is gonna be the Upper east side art lady. Basically. I'm gonna make art. I'm gonna get into the art community, and she's gonna be a cool New York art lady. That's what she wants to be at this point. So she created wall sculptures from string and paper and shit she made to put up in the house. And she would fill the walls of their townhouse there. The problem is, if you're an artist, the walls of your townhouse not where you want your work to be exhibited.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No, you want it in a fucking place.

[James Pietragallo]

You want it in a gallery. And no gallery will exhibit her work.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why not?

[James Pietragallo]

Because it's not very good.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's shit.

[James Pietragallo]

I would think. Yeah. If you're a real rich lady with connections and you're making art and nobody will put it up, it's cause it's really bad. It's bad because otherwise, if they would put it up, she'd probably make donations and everything else. One of her friends said she never did get her art shown anywhere.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, no?

[James Pietragallo]

No. But still, Ted buys her a huge fucking loft in soho. Now, back then, a huge loft in soho was worth nothing. It was worth nothing. Nowadays, that's millions and millions of dollars. But back then, that was just a fucking junky neighborhood by the water that nobody was terrifying after dark. That's all. So this was on West Broadway in SoHo for an art studio. So she has this giant art loft.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And she just put strings together.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, this is back in the day where. That's where people were squatting, was in so old soho lofts and old factories and shit and turning them into art lofts and having parties and all famous things in these abandoned buildings. People would squat and have big art things. But she actually, you know, is paying for it. Yeah. One of her friends said she would play the role of the downtrodden artist, but she was in this glorious double loft with windows all along the side. She's in, like, Tom Hanks place for big bitching. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She had a pinball machine and a trampoline.

[James Pietragallo]

What the fuck, man? You got a basketball hoop up. It's 10ft, too. This is wild. Her friend said it was like Marie Antoinette with her sheep. Okay. Now, she would mingle with the other artists, people that were very cool and thought it was cool in the art world, because that's what she wanted to be. Yeah, she wanted to be cool.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Sure.

[James Pietragallo]

That's it. And then she would invite, like, the. These actual real, like, dirty art people from down in the Village and down in soho that actually do art and are in the community. She'd invite them up to the Upper east side townhouse for dinner, you know, which is a very different clash of environments.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, fish out of water.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, but she wanted to impress them. But at the same time, that's not what impresses them.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No, it's talent for art. That's what impresses them.

[James Pietragallo]

Or just a coolness or a weirdness or a quirkiness. That's that New York art world's weird back then. Ye. Like the. Even like Studio 54, which wasn't the art world. They liked weird people. If you came up dressed like a freak with all, they'd let you right in.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's great.

[James Pietragallo]

They love that shit. You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I would dress like a bird. Just went in. I'm in a suit and I can't get in.

[James Pietragallo]

No, this 85 year old lady just showed up, let her in. You know what I mean? Weird things like that. They like, they like weird shit. She's not. Shit you can just buy isn't cool. That's why it wasn't, you know, they didn't really kiss like investment bankers asses in Studio 54. They kissed stars, asses, people that had talent and shit like that.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You can't buy shit.

[James Pietragallo]

You can't buy. Can't buy that. Her friend said on the one hand she wanted to be part of this artistic group, but she also wanted it known that she was the wife of a rich guy and could pull the strings. Yeah, can't have it both ways, babe. That's the problem.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Hi. I made this art great. It's terrible. Yeah, well, my husband's rich. Can you put it in your gallery? No, absolutely not.

[James Pietragallo]

Meanwhile, everybody else is like, if I don't sell this painting, I won't be able to eat right. So it's different.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They're doing this to get rich. They're already rich. They're doing it because they love art and that.

[James Pietragallo]

And then they also, you know, that's their thing. And also they want to be cool. They like.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, they want to be Pablo.

[James Pietragallo]

They want to get a fucking weird haircut and have everybody kiss their ass while they smoke cigarettes. That's all they want.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Really weird triangle glasses.

[James Pietragallo]

That's it. I'm convinced. I've never met an artist who. That's not their end goal. Just to sit, look weird and have people say how wonderful and quirky they are. Like, that's what I feel like. And that's because we have no artistic talent.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, because I can't draw shit.

[James Pietragallo]

Can't draw shit. Can't play a lick of music. Comedy is not art. No, stop saying comedy is art. It's not. Number one, if it was art, you'd stop bitching about it. So it's definitely not art. And number two, it's more like comedians, more like being a chef. I think there's art to it. You have to create recipes, things like that. But in the end, you're a craftsman. That's got to make something for the people that they like. Or they ain't coming back.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Or they're not coming back. Right.

[James Pietragallo]

So in the end, that's. That's. You're. You're kind of like a chef.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

There's things that people love a specific artist, and there's paintings that that person has painted. They're like, I don't like that one.

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's kind of what it is.

[James Pietragallo]

But the vibe of an artist is also.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They'll still come back for this shit.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, yeah. The vibe of an artist is what makes them popular and what makes things. It's not just the work. That's the thing. It's the whole thing.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

The aesthetic.

[James Pietragallo]

The scarf. So it's your scarf, it's your. How quirky are your glasses? What kind of clove cigarettes are you smoking? And are you doing it through one of those holder things? Because they look pretty cool.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And that hole in that hat is in the perfect spot.

[James Pietragallo]

Perfect spot. Tilted just to the left. Just right. So this person said, I always found it strange that for a couple who was their age and with their money, they had this need to create a group. It was as if they didn't have real friends. They were always saying, invite anyone you want over. So they were trying to be cool and trying to get into a clique.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Where it's like buying their way in.

[James Pietragallo]

You're just, be yourselves. Go have fun and be rich people. Also, Generosa gets a bit snippy with people. She gets a little upset. Friends say here that she seemed to get angry at the slightest provocation.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Little bits, little bits.

[James Pietragallo]

She's a definite goldie hawn and overboard situation here where that's how she acts. She's mad at everybody.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What is this, Beluga?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So they usually said anything. Suspicion that someone was betraying her or rejecting her. Her friend said the minute that she felt rejection, she was like a woman out of control. A fear arose in her. It was almost like there was a trigger.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, she's got an abandonment issue.

[James Pietragallo]

Yes, exactly. And now she's got that. And she's got this giant ego of, I have money.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I deserve the affection.

[James Pietragallo]

You can't be mean to me because I can buy and sell you. It's like that doesn't mean anything in social interactions.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And you didn't do that?

[James Pietragallo]

No. She said her friend said she would freak out. She said, quote, we've all been upset, but when she does it physically, she's in your face with this kind of, I'm going to get you and there's no talking to her about it. She would become. They would get couple friends. And as you know, being a couple, it's hard to find couple friends because you both have to get along. It's difficult.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's four people that gotta get along.

[James Pietragallo]

That's tough. Yeah. So these couple friends they would make, Ted is an easygoing kind of guy, and they liked him and stuff, but then she would cut them off. Generosa would cut them off. They described it as feeling iced out, one couple said. They said that. One friend said she provoked an outburst from Generosa when she declined Generosa's invitation to be a summer long house guest at one of their houses. She had other shit to do.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, come stay at our summer house summer long.

[James Pietragallo]

I got other stuff to do then. Get out of my life, you piece of shit. Traitorous, treacherous.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I never want to see you again.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what it was. One friend that talked to her almost every day said suddenly the friendship was over. Every day they talked.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

She said A year or so later, just after they'd stopped talking, she saw Generosa at a benefit and approached her to say hello. Just because she knows her, she said, generosa freaked out and said, get away from me. You get away from me. She just chose something that she was.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Mad at her for, and that's it forever.

[James Pietragallo]

This lady didn't even know why. She didn't understand it. They said that her friends would wonder, why the hell has Ted put up with this shit?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, that's why.

[James Pietragallo]

She must be much different to him. But then also people would say that she seemed manipulative and controlling with him too. One said, I think because there was a vulnerability to her, which he could see, and that made him feel more secure. Now, Ted also described to his friend that living with her was like walking on eggshells, trying to avoid the next explosion. So he's just trying to keep her happy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Uh oh.

[James Pietragallo]

Which when someone constantly is bursting into flames, it's tough to keep putting them out. It helps if you have millions of dollars.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, that'll put out some flames here.

[James Pietragallo]

For a new fucking loft. And so, yeah, go buy that. Go get whatever. Oh, yeah, A new car. Yeah, if that's what they're into, then you can, you know, kind of placate them with that, I guess. They would spend weekends in Bedford, New York, which is north of the city. It's. You pass it when you go to Tarrytown down there and stuff. It's very nice, very wealthy. I spent about a Week there in high school because one of my friends went to a private school because he played hockey and he got a scholarship there. One of his friends from school, his parents went away for like two weeks. So we just all stayed at this kid's fucking mansion. Wow. It was wild. It was wild. It was the first time I'd ever been to a house with more than one refrigerator. And I was like, this is the greatest.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You got food in both of those, dude.

[James Pietragallo]

I was looking in the fridge and he goes, there's another one in the basement. I went, huh, what's down there? And he goes, oh, there's a big ass fridge and it's full. And me and my friend looked at each other. We ran down to the basement and opened. We were like, oh, my, there's more food here than there is up there. This is more food than I had in my house for fucking years. And we had food. I mean, but it was like, this is awesome. It was the greatest thing ever. They had pool. It was so fucking cool. It was great. Couldn't even like they had rooms or. It wasn't even like anyone's bedroom. It was just a room. It's like, this is amazing.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

There's no space over here.

[James Pietragallo]

No one sleeps in here. This is crazy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

This is warmed and cooled in this carpet.

[James Pietragallo]

No one farts this up in the middle of the night. This is awesome, man.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You just. Climate control. A whole no room for nothing.

[James Pietragallo]

It was crazy. We were just like, this is insane, man. So they would spend weekends there. It's outside the city where Generosa becomes a serious horse rider. Winning some ribbons and oh, here you go.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Now you found your talent.

[James Pietragallo]

You're good at this. She participates in shows all the way down in Florida. And as we know, Florida from the.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

One episode dressage and shit.

[James Pietragallo]

Dressage capital of the world by a point here, late 80s, Ted and I guess together with Generosa are worth more than $50 million.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, my God. In the 80s.

[James Pietragallo]

In late 80s.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Stacking.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Doing great.

[James Pietragallo]

Doing great. They had a Fifth Avenue apartment. They buy a giant estate in England. Like they're fucking Paul McCartney or something. It has a name.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

They buy a named English estate, like in the countryside. It's like a fucking castle. It's like one of the Downton Abbey houses. It's ridiculous. It's crazy, by the way. And he becomes. He starts really donating lots of money to charity. He starts working to save Manhattan landmarks. Historical shit, as we'll find out. He'll donate a shitload of money To Bucknell University. He does great. 1992. Ted decides, damn it, it's nice to be in this firm and everything, But I think if I start my own investment firm, really, I can make all the money at that point. What do you say?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Because now he's just a partner getting partner money, which is great, all the.

[James Pietragallo]

Partner, but he wants even more money because I can make even more if I do it. So he starts his own investment firm. The partners at the company were like, what the fuck are you talking about? You are integral to this whole thing. But he said, nope. He told them. This is what he told the Wall Street Journal, by the way.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He was quoted.

[James Pietragallo]

And so successful. When he quits his job, the Wall Street Journal calls him to why'd you quit? Imagine that. I've had a lot of shit jobs. I quit. No one ever called for a quote. And it would have been like, well, that guy was a fucking asshole. That would have been my quote. Whereas his quote to the Wall Street Journal is, quote, when I wake up in the morning, I want to look at a different range of mountains. Holy fuck, Ted.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, my God.

[James Pietragallo]

My God. Ted.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Live in a valley and have a room on either side of the house, I guess.

[James Pietragallo]

Holy shit. You silver tongue son of a bitch. So he said he could. Knew he could double his money quick if he stayed, but he wanted the challenge of starting his own firm.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Fascinating.

[James Pietragallo]

So October of 92, by the way, they've started their own firm. They have all this stuff going on, all this money. They decide they've been trying to have kids.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Time to have them.

[James Pietragallo]

That's another reason why Ted thinks that Generosa might be a little grumpy as they've been trying to conceive and can't for years. And that'll get on you after a while, especially. They don't just fuck and wait for a pregnancy test like they do in vitro. They go to the doctor. He's jerking off in cups. She's getting poked and prodded. So when you go through all that and it doesn't work, it's hard on your relationship. And if it's the woman who really has a biological. We don't care. But if it's a woman who has a real biological need for this and want for this, it's tough on. So they decide since they can't get. They can't make a baby, they decide they need to adopt a baby. Oh, so they end up. Oh, yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They are like the. The guy, the. The family that. The. All these kids in these dreams show up.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, forget like those little kid cars you can drive. They're gonna like. This is crazy. It's gonna be like the toy at this house. It's going to be nuts.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

These kids. It's going to be a talent show for which ones these parents will pick. I can do Bath Cliff. I can sing.

[James Pietragallo]

She was at her doctor's office and behind his desk was a picture of two babies. And she said, who are these kids? And he said, those are kids that are orphaned in the Ukraine. And that started the process. She said, well, I'll take them. Yeah, they look good.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'll take them both.

[James Pietragallo]

Pass them over. They were toddlers at the point at 2, 3 years old. Gregory and Alexa and they're twins.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's how she got them.

[James Pietragallo]

Little blond headed twin Ukrainian kids. Ukrainian kids. Yep. Gregory and Alexin. She adopted them. How's that?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They weren't even. They didn't even know that she was shopping.

[James Pietragallo]

Gimme them. I don't care. Hand them over. Uh, hello, is this Pacific Source Health Plans? This is a health plan. I'm trying to reach Pacific Source. I know, I'll get a person on the phone when I call them. What do you think I am? I mean, you sound like a person. That's what counts.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Automated systems can do a lot, even sound a lot like people.

[James Pietragallo]

What automated systems can't do is offer.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

The quality our members rely on.

[James Pietragallo]

Empathy. When you call Pacific Source Health Plans, you'll talk to a person who cares. What did you say your name was? Nexa 9000. Hmm.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Best day of these kids lives.

[James Pietragallo]

Can you imagine? Yeah. Just from their picture being there that same year. They are going to purchase a home in the Hamptons that we'll talk about here. When they went there because they had to go pick them up from the Ukraine there. One friend said that Ted was deliriously happy upon their return. He had kid on each arm. He was like, yeah, did it. They adopted them from the village of Medvedisti in the Mukachevo region of the Ukraine.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Sounds like a tough one.

[James Pietragallo]

Jimmy and I have a show there next. It's tough to sell tickets, but that's our. It's on next year's tour schedule over in the Medvedi in the Mukachivo region of the Ukraine.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Venti, Mogachevo.

[James Pietragallo]

I'll have a large. Yeah, I want the Meta Vadisti. I'm going to have that. That sounds like it's sweeter a little bit. Yeah, so they said. Generosa's reaction to the Kids was odd.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

One friend said. I'd asked if she wanted kids. She did not. She spent a lot of time in an orphanage, she said, and she'd been abused there. The whole prospect of children was too painful for her. But yet she was going through in vitro treatments and everything else, taking all.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Kinds of TED load for nothing.

[James Pietragallo]

It makes no sense. And injected into her for nothing. I don't know if that's what TED wanted. So she was saying that's what she wanted, so I don't know what it was. But another friend said that that Generosa with the kids quote, was stressful to watch. She wasn't good with them. It was stressful. Yeah. She wasn't good. She seems kind of like. Also, she's very kind of a selfish person, and that's difficult. If you have kids, you kind of have to give to them.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Kind of want to. Kind of have to want it.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. And I don't know also, if the, like. If you feel different, because it's a different biology. If you have the kids yourself, do you have a. Do you have, like a. Is there more oxytocin released around them? Like, I'm just talking about, like, biologically, not even mentally or anything like that. I have no idea. I don't know. Seems like a lot of women who have adopted kids really take them.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Angelina Jolie seems to be rejected about it. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Well, I don't know about that. I don't know what the hell those people are doing. Yeah. When you have nine au pairs, does it really matter at that point?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's pretty easy.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. And I don't know. Anytime. Movie stars. Let's adopt nine kids from all over. I mean, that's a nice thing to do and all, but I feel like that seems like a lot of.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Look at me.

[James Pietragallo]

Seems pretty performative, but, I mean, nice thing to do. Don't get me wrong. Now, the business, his own business here, he started buying up a. He bought up a company that produced newspaper advertising inserts. Those little color inserts with all the ads in them and shit. In the middle of the Sunday paper.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He bought that company.

[James Pietragallo]

This is smart shit. This is why we're bad at business. Like, a guy that I rented my house from in Arizona made a fortune. He would start companies that do shit like this, Build them up and then sell them and make a bunch of fucking money and then move on to the next one. He made tons of money. He made paper cups at one point. That's what he was making.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Like, the little guys that Rinse your mouth.

[James Pietragallo]

Nothing glamorous, nothing anything. But built it up and then sold the company. Made millions of dollars. Boring shit like that Makes money.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

You know what I mean?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

The twist tie guy lives in Arizona somewhere. Those little fucking twisty things.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I mean, he invented it, but. And had the patent for it, but he just sold it all. Yeah, Somebody else do it. And he was just. Millions and millions.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, it's.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Who the fuck? You got to have an idea, though.

[James Pietragallo]

I mean, but that's an idea. This isn't even an idea. This is something that exists. And he's like, I'm gonna bought it. Yeah, you could. This isn't even like better paper cups. It's not a brilliant idea. It was just that there's a market for this and I'm gonna do that. It's just very business smart. So that's what he did. Now, this is not glamorous, but he knew this is where he could build a lot of money. He could build this into a big powerhouse. Establish ties with newspapers everywhere and then find other products to sell them and shit like that. He called it Big Flower Press. He told a friend that was a good name for it here. They passed a field of sunflowers one time and the children called out, big Flower. And they went, big Flower Press. That's cool.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Some Ukrainian child going, big Flower.

[James Pietragallo]

Big Flower. That's it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's terrible.

[James Pietragallo]

He said, big Flower Press. It doesn't matter what the name of the company is. So he's also serving on the boards of the Municipal Art Society and the ymca. He attained the title of chairman at Jazz at Lincoln Center. So when they do jazz there. And he works closely with Wynton Marsalis, the horn player. Oh, wasn't he in the Tonight Show Band or something? I don't know, like in the 80s or some shit.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm not mad at names.

[James Pietragallo]

He's a black guy. Trumpet player, horn player. Play some kind of horn. I don't fucking know. Winton. Now this is also when they buy this house in the East Hamptons. They buy a house at 59 Middle Lane. That's the address in East Hampton. They paid $2.7 million for it in 1992. Money. Okay. And at the time.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Looked it up. You did?

[James Pietragallo]

No. What do you think? How many of these episodes have we done? Do I usually look shit up?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I said, look it up.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. I said, fuck it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I just said, that's a lot of money.

[James Pietragallo]

So, yeah, 2.7 million. It's a long kind of one story, like raised ranch type of thing. That's not what it's going to look like after they get done with it. Oh, oh no, no. This is. They're buying this for the bones.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They're gonna level it.

[James Pietragallo]

They're gonna make it huge is what they're gonna do. It's owned by Mr. And Mrs. William Lord, who is an old family that's lived there forever. Now their daughter in law, Pam Lord, people they bought it from, is a nationally renowned gardener. I didn't think that existed nationally. I didn't know how they would know the way you plant your flowers thousands of miles away. She agreed to help them landscape the property. Property.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She's buying it and they're going to buy it from her and she'll landscape it.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, she bought it from her. This is their niece or something. So she's just daughter in law. She just knew that she had done it before. So they said, yeah, you want to be the gardener? You can be the gardener or at least the landscape. Generosa announced that she wanted all yellow plants in the front and all blue plants in the back. That was her thing. So Pam Lord said, I'm not doing this. This is ridiculous. That's no way I'm out of here. So she fucking took off. I'm not working with you if you're going to be crazy. One artist said the homes around here start at 6 million and go all the way up to 30 million. Try 84 million as we found. He said you've got Steven Spielberg, Martha Stewart, Calvin Klein, P. Diddy. This is back in years ago, Ralph Lauren, Carolyn Kennedy. This is the land of the rich, famous and influence infamous. So the house, they're renovating the shit out of it. They're making it from a one story kind of low key affair to a two story English style home. Very, very fancy. Looked like an English country manor is what they were looking for here. They wanted to have twin front gables, an overhang roof, all this type of shit. They wanted to wanted it to look. They have the spirit and look of a thatched cottage. Sure, it's only rich people even know what that is.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

A lot of nice words that sound amazing in a real estate listing. It sounds great.

[James Pietragallo]

So she fights with one contractor after another because she's not easy to work with. One is Jeff Gibbons, he's an architect and he goes out on his own from his company he worked at and the Ammons are his first clients. He recalled the situation thusly. She basically left me crumpled up on the side of the road. That's not good. He means that figuratively, he said. After three years of bullying from her, the end came when Generosa heard him casually explaining to a third person what he'd done to the house. They were asking about it. She freaked out and said, you're not telling people you designed my house, are you? And he said, well, tell him what I did. He said, who did? And she said, I did. You only copied things out of books.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, boy.

[James Pietragallo]

He's an architect. He designed this, you know. So he said. Then she stiffed him on his last bill. And when he talked about it, she threatened to put him out of business with her lawyers, so he had to eat shit. Basically. That's what sucks about working for rich people is they fuck you over and then they'll make you sue them to get paid 20 cents on the fucking dollar. It's a classic rich person maneuver. They all do. So there's another poor son of a bitch here. Landscaper Peter Cicero. He started his own business based on them being his first clients as well. One day, he went with Generosa to a nursery to choose tulips. Uh, oh, okay.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They don't have yellow ones, you know.

[James Pietragallo]

He said, now you know. Tulips look one shade in the morning light and a different shade in the evening light. That's how tulips are. Yeah. You can't make new tulips. That's nature.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You're right.

[James Pietragallo]

So he planted 600 tulips of the shade that she chose.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

He said that the weekend. That weekend he drove up to find her in the garden. He said, her hair all in a mop, pulling out the 600 tulips like a wild boar. 600. You know how expensive 600 tulips is, by the way?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I can imagine. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

She said that they were the wrong shade, you fucking idiot. Wow. He claims he was ordered to pay for the tulips himself. That's on you. He said. She was always invoking Skadden Arps, which is a law firm that she. That was her retained law firm. He said he had to pay for the yellow roses that are the yellow tulips that she ripped out along the front. Yellow roses that she ripped out along the front fence, too, because their shade was wrong. Oh, my God. I can't make flowers in the shade you want. This is what nature has given us. Do you like it or not?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's called photosynthesis. They do what they do.

[James Pietragallo]

You can't fix that. He had to remove all the trees he planted by the front door. Also at his own expense. When she learned they didn't grow red berries like she wanted them to. Once he said that she called his bookkeeper at 5am to rant about bubbles in the pool. The bookkeeper said, what's wrong with them? I don't understand. And she said, they're blowing the wrong way. Hey.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

The wrong direction.

[James Pietragallo]

The bubbles in the pool are blowing the wrong. It's his fault. Imagine that. Other contractor. Here's another one. Had another problem, but he tried to look at the positive side of generosity. He said she did have vision and she was genuinely creative. He said she remembered a particular mosaic she designed in the bathrooms. He said, I sort of admired her as a woman. She was really powerful. He said. Could be a little scary, though. He said one time when she was angry at me, she told me, quote, that my mother died of insanity and that she'd had to struggle to be where she was and that she'd be damned if anyone was gonna take that away from her.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Her mother died of it.

[James Pietragallo]

Died of insanity. Which is a. Wow. You gotta.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I think she died of cancer.

[James Pietragallo]

As I say, insanity. Otherwise known as cancer.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

So another friend said she's a little. Just insane and public and socially, she's a little rough. One person said of her talking about Ted, saying she used to correct him in front of people all the time at a parent teacher function. One friend said one of the mothers was talking to Ted, as parents do when Generosa came over and screamed at the woman to stop flirting with Ted.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, my God.

[James Pietragallo]

So that's rough. Same thing socially in the Hamptons, kind of happened, as in the city. One friend said the clubs and socializing weren't really hitting his thing. He wasn't really into it, basically. One couple that traveled with them said that Generosa had become a, quote, rough blade. These rich people have really weird phrases and idioms. I don't get it. Another people. People said that if you called Ted at home, Generosa would yell at you. So that was with, like, professional people calling him to, you know, crazy. So now they announced at one point that for the sake of the children, they were moving to England, where they bought that crazy estate where they would live full time. Didn't really happen that way, though. He comes back, lives here, he has business, then he goes over there and she's setting up the state. She's gonna live there full time, Pretty much.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm gonna get you out of this.

[James Pietragallo]

Fucking country in 1996 without being asked or anything. He gifts bucknell university with $15 million.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Whoa.

[James Pietragallo]

So they're like, damn, that's cool.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why would you.

[James Pietragallo]

You get your name on a building for that? Yeah, that's pretty good. So by 1999, his business is booming. He was right about Big Flower Press. They're publicly traded, I guess they had nearly 2 billion in gross annual revenues. My God, he's doing great. Now he said, this is the time to sell. So he wants to sell. So he approached a Boston financier and suggested a buyout. Maybe you want to do this? So this guy ended up doing that and taking the company private with the help of another investment banker who's a close friend of Ted's and his neighbor on 92nd Street. So Ted spins off a piece of the company and used it to start Chancery Lane Capital, which is an investment firm, kind of like the one he worked for kkr. But mom and Pop Shop, that's what he liked the best, was looking for deals. So now he sold that. He's still very, very rich. He's doing wonderful with everything, except not doing too great with his marriage here. He stayed in New York to sell the business. So he's barely getting over to England. He lived at the Lowell hotel at East 63rd street on weekdays after the 92nd street townhouse was sold, and he'd spend weekends in England. So he's commuting from England.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Five days a week. They have a manor house in Surrey, which Generosa had done over, of course. And the way that she does things now, the fact that he's in New York and she's not, leads her to be very suspicious of him. During the week, she hires many multiple private investigators to keep an eye on Ted.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Private investigators.

[James Pietragallo]

Private investigators. And they later became. Or she became to came to believe, because of these investigators, that Ted was involved in an affair with a very, very attractive blonde New York investment banker. Okay, so who specialized in leveraged buyouts? You know, like we did before we were in podcasting, we specialized in leveraged buyouts.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

We don't deal with regular buyouts.

[James Pietragallo]

No, it's got to be leveraged. It's the only way I'll. I won't participate. Otherwise, I won't. I won't be a part of this. Jimmy. One colleague describes the banker as, quote, a little older version of Gwyneth Paltrow, a willowy blonde. This is in, like, 2003. So basically, Gwyneth Paltrow, 10 years ago is who they're describing. Her looks are excellent, but are just part of the package, the friend said. A friend of Ted called her a bright, New York, sophisticated, very savvy girl. The very antithesis of Generosa. Oh, yes. She earned millions of fucking dollars a year, too. She killed it. She had her own house in the Hamptons, looking like a power couple. Looking like a power couple. And looking like a power couple because she has a baby.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh.

[James Pietragallo]

And so Generosa believes that's Ted's fucking baby. More on that later. But she thinks not only is he banging some hot investment banker, he's knocking her up and everything else. So by 2000, Ted is working worth more than $80 million. That is insanity. Holy crap. And this is after hemorrhaging money, doing all this crazy shit. Then summer of 2000 comes along, and Generosa comes back from England in the summer of 2000 with the children to initiate divorce proceedings.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, she wants out now.

[James Pietragallo]

She wants out. She said, yeah. And they said. Couple's mutual friends said she was rough. One former friend said, all you had to do was say hello to Ted, and that was that, really. She didn't want anything to do with you forever. You're on his side now. You're done. If she heard that Ted had dinner with mutual friends, she'd call the friends the next morning and tell them she never wanted to talk to them again. How fucking dare they betray her.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Enjoy succulent chicken meal.

[James Pietragallo]

Listen. Yeah. We're friends with everybody.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

How dare you fucking and eat dinner with my husband? One friend said she cut everyone off. She didn't have a friend in the world. Now, at this point, he's set to lose a shitload of money in the divorce, but he doesn't care. He doesn't care. He'll have enough money, he'll make more, and he doesn't have to deal with the wife that he doesn't like. So great. Not an easy divorce, as you might imagine, with these two. Too much money involved for it to be clean and easy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah. And when you propose something, when you got an asshole, they'll propose something. You go, fine. And they go, go, no, no. And then they make it worse.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. She would hire and fire divorce lawyers one after the other. She made crazy demands, too. This is not like I want half. This is. According to one source, she claimed that Ted was worth more like $300 million. So she wanted, like, $150 million. He's like, I don't have $150 million, so I can't give you 100 million.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I have 100 million.

[James Pietragallo]

He ends up having 100 million, but by the time this is all going, but not 300 million. She later explained here that, quote, ted wanted an amicable divorce in which everything would be shared. But thereafter, he took the very different course of both hoarding income and assets and concealing assets, even after repeated disclosure orders by our state supreme court. That's from Generosa. She said that one person who. Who was very knowledgeable to the situation. I think one of Ted's legal team said that Ted was in full compliance and his legal team provided $45,000 worth of. 45,000 pages worth of financial records and discovery.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's as much as you need to disclose.

[James Pietragallo]

I think that's a lot. They said that the main thing, that is the sticking point is he had some stocks that were up and down, so his value would go up and down. One, he had a stake of about 1.7 million shares in a publicly traded Internet advertising firm called 247 Media. At its peak, the stock was trading at $69 a share. But it's a. It's a dot com thing. So as we know that, oh, tomorrow.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It could be worth nothing.

[James Pietragallo]

It could be worth nothing. That stock was. Went from gold to toilet paper in a day real fast. So they said that at that point, that made that investment worth $113 million for him. But then when dot com started collapsing in spring of 2000, it plummeted, and it wasn't worth shit really after that. So definitely wasn't worth $100 million. So these are her demands. Okay. She wants $50,000 a year for a bodyguard. For a bodyguard, 50,000 a year for a housekeeper, $50,000 a year for A chef, $50,000 a year For a driver, $30,000 a year for a gardener, $100,000 for a personal assistance, $60,000 in residential maintenance. That's just for the New York house. That's just for the New York place. Then Coverwood, which is the name of their manor in Surrey. She said she needed an additional $100,000 of maintenance a year on that as well. She basically demanded about $180,000 a month in basic living expenses.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Two and a half million dollars a year?

[James Pietragallo]

Exactly. Two and a half million dollars a year. That was even. That was after he gave her half.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, fuck you.

[James Pietragallo]

Forty million dollars and two and a half million dollars. I think you can fix up your house with the 40 million I gave you. All right? I think you'll be fine. That is wild.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Holy shit.

[James Pietragallo]

That's fucking crazy. Yeah, so that's nuts. At this point, they got Coverwood. They have the East Hampton house. They have a West Broadway loft. That's the one. That. Sure. SoHo loft. And her new home, which is a townhouse at 10 E. 87th St. In New York City as well, that she bought.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

This is unbelievable.

[James Pietragallo]

This is fucking crazy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She wants everything and wants him to be.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And pay her.

[James Pietragallo]

I want everything. And it's Arrested Development.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why can't I have everything?

[James Pietragallo]

Why can't I have hair and money and he have nothing? That's what it is. Why can't I have hair and money and he have nothing? That would be. That's all I want. See? Yep. The summer of 2000, Ted had bought a 10th floor apartment at 1125 Fifth Avenue, thinking that Generosa and the children might live there. But she didn't like that place. Not good enough for her.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I don't even like the place.

[James Pietragallo]

Nope. So she preferred a townhouse that she found off fifth. So Ted moved into the apartment. I'll fucking live there. You get the townhouse. I don't care. He paid 9 million for the townhouse, by the way.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I don't like a 9 million.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no. That's the apartment. So he bought her a $9 million townhouse because she didn't like the apartment on Fifth Avenue that he bought her.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Unbelievable.

[James Pietragallo]

Whoa. That's crazy. A renovation budget for this $9 million townhouse. They agreed that she could spend a million dollars renovating it, changing it into.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Whichever way she wanted it, which is crazy.

[James Pietragallo]

So work begins in September of 2000. So it's all under construction. So as a temporary fix, she moves into the Stanhope Hotel on Fifth Avenue, which is not. Not Doug Stanhope's hotel. No, no. It's a real classy, elegant place.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's not painted crazy.

[James Pietragallo]

Not painted crazy because it's not a trailer in the Bisbee Desert. It's nothing like that.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

The bald woman is your fucking concierge.

[James Pietragallo]

None of that. None of that. So, by the way, they said by now she has an entourage of servants wherever she goes. So it's her, the kids, two nannies, a bodyguard, a driver. This one, that was like eight people in the.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You're not important enough.

[James Pietragallo]

No one cares about you. So at the Stanhope, she takes a $1,500 a night suite she stays in. Then a large room for the nanny and the children, then at least two more rooms for members of the townhouse work crew that she has to work with. It's insane.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She's just blowing money.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. One of the guys that ends up kind of being at her suite an awful lot is Daniel Pelosi. He's the electrician. That's not just his poor nickname, he's the electrician. He's an actual electrician showing up to do electric. He lives out on Long island. Not in East Hampton, more reasonable area. He's married with three kids. Okay. He's a high school dropout, drug and alcohol abuser over the years, big rap sheet, lots of drunk driving charges and bar fights. And he's a dipshit.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's living it up.

[James Pietragallo]

He's a Long island mook, is what he is. He's a Long island fucking, you know, just one of these. One of these like mook, guinea fucking.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Been around his whole life.

[James Pietragallo]

I know a million guys exactly like this, put it that way. That's why I'm so tuned into this. I know this guy. He is handsome though. He's a handsome guy, but other than that, he doesn't have a lot going for him here. There. He apparently acknowledged at one point when he filed a suit, a lawsuit after a work related incident claiming a back injury. He said that's what led to his drug addiction was that which happens. He married pretty young. He married a 19 year old at the time. He was 20 or 21 and they ended up having three kids. That's Tammy, we'll talk about her. A little bit about Danny's background. Just to give you who he is here. Grew up very different than both of these people here. On the first day of sixth grade, he's in a new school and he got into a fight with a boy and was disrespectful to a teacher, which, I mean, sixth grade, it's the kind of the meeting of boys will be. Boys there, they're gonna fight, they're gonna tell the teacher to fuck off. And then they go home and their dad yells at them and they say they're sorry. And that's how it works. So his dad gave him a good spanking. So he settled down a little bit. He joined Little League, was trying to get his shit together. Then he misbehaved at school again. So the teacher hit his knuckles with a yardstick, Catholic school style. Danny went home and told his father. His father was pissed off. I hit my kid, not you is what he said. So he went to the school to see the teacher, picked up the fucking yardstick and said, is this what you hit my son with? And the teacher said, yeah. So he whacked the teacher with the yardstick and said, how's that feel? And then quote, the only one who hits my son is me. I'll beat his little fucking ass, but you don't touch him, all right?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, boy.

[James Pietragallo]

Wow. And that is Long Island Italian. Back in the day, he said, how does that feel? So one night when he was 13, Danny and his buddies got shit faced. Raided the liquor cabinet, drank everything they could. They're drinking fucking creme de menthe. Whatever they can get their hands on, whatever's in there. They don't care. Peach schnapps, it doesn't matter. Danny got real sick and didn't want to drink anymore. He got the shit kicked out of him for it. Also he got punished for sneaking out on his motorcycle, stealing his father's boat, things like that. He's a tearaway, but he grew. He used to be kind of a short, wimpy guy, but he turns into a big tough guy. Ladies man. He gets into boxing. He does golden Gloves and stuff. He hung out with bad kids in school. Basically, he hung out there with the bad kid. Growing group from this book, they say. This is an interesting sentence. Strangely, he chose to begin speaking in a crude, uneducated way. Unlike his parents. He wanted to be a different guy. Yeah, exactly. That's what he was looking for. They said his teeth were crooked. He seemed to chew his words when he spit them out. That's what they said. And he's hanging out with rough kids from blue collar backgrounds and using their profanity, lace, deez dem does brand of speech. You know, the old fucking New York.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Style, street dum dum.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. So he felt he had to be strong and tough. He needed to protect his family and all that. He and his friends got into trouble for stealing a case of beer. That was the first time he was like arrested. Danny's parents were embarrassed, but they hired a lawyer and stood by him and all that kind of thing. His dad is a stand up guy. I will say later, on February 1980, he gets kicked out of high school for trespassing on school grounds. This off hours maybe.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Okay. Yeah. Not supposed to be there otherwise, you.

[James Pietragallo]

Know, you're supposed to be there for a certain amount of time. He tried to take five girls to the prom.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nice.

[James Pietragallo]

That's a crazy move.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You have to run a limo for that.

[James Pietragallo]

Crazy move. He didn't. No, no. Just walk them there, pick them all up separately. And basically picked them all up separately. Dropping them off, making an excuse, and picking up another in his father's new Cadillac.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Which is very Weird.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Pick one up, drop them off. I gotta get my friend. I'll be back. Getting five girls.

[James Pietragallo]

Five girls like that. Then he crashed the car.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, my God.

[James Pietragallo]

Like an idiot. So the next morning, he didn't come home. His dad found his new car and Danny at a repair shop with the front end all fucked up and the hood all bent. Smashed windshield. And there was a girl just passed out in the backseat like, hold on a minute. Here in the shop, you are having way too much fun. She's up on the lift and everything. Hey, yo, Kathy. When you wake up, don't just try to step out of the car. You gotta let us know. We'll lower you, right? Because it's.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You're gonna have a nosebleed up there.

[James Pietragallo]

You're gonna fucking tumble to your death, probably. Let's help you. So he said. Danny said, wait, wait, I could explain. And was running from his father around the car. Finally, his father told him, you know what? I'm not going to chase you. You got to come home sometime. I betcha that's how it was. He met his future wife, Tammy at a graduation party the summer after senior year. She was still going to graduation parties a year after he graduated. Now, she was totally different than him. She was a good student, was on the volleyball team, a member of the Leaders Club, on the prom committee. She does like extracurriculars and school shit. She wasn't into Danny.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No.

[James Pietragallo]

Nope. Absolutely not.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

These We's.

[James Pietragallo]

And Dems is not too rough for her. Wasn't a thing here. So that's interesting. Now, she was at the boyfriend at the party with her boyfriend, who was a big asshole guy. They had an argument and this asshole guy slapped her in the face in front of everyone at the party, which is crazy. That's insane. So Danny came over and slapped Ralph. This is the guy, the boyfriend. And said, try me out, you asshole. Let's see what you got. Someone your own size. So they ended up going outside and Danny beat him up. He was a boxer, so he punched him a few times, knocked him out. So then he went over to the guy who was knocked out and said, from now on, she's dating me.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I won her.

[James Pietragallo]

This isn't affair. You didn't knock down all the bottles. And now you get the girl like, what are you doing?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He just hit the three point shot on the front rim.

[James Pietragallo]

He just did that. He took that big mallet and went ka ping. And it went all the way up to you. Get the girl. Ding. And it rang the bell and he's like, she's mine now.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I get to date her.

[James Pietragallo]

And he took her like a giant, like fucking, like a giant penguin stuffed animal off the.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He won her in a fight. That's great.

[James Pietragallo]

Then he turned to Tammy and said, hey, from now on, you're dating me. And she said, no, no, no. But then he kissed her and she went, all right, I guess, and went out with it. This is the craziest, most Long island story I've ever heard in my life. This show, Small Town Murder, is sponsored by BetterHelp. BetterHelp.com Absolutely. Days are getting shorter. They are. And the people can get. That can be depressing. But doesn't have to be.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, it brings more darkness.

[James Pietragallo]

It really does. It doesn't have have to be, though, but it's. This is the time you want to check in with people that, you know, make sure everybody's doing good, make sure everybody knows they're not alone. Even though it's dark at 7 o', clock, it's fine. So, yeah, the seasons change, they grow darker. It can be tough for people. So this November, Better Help is encouraging everyone to reach out, check in on friends, reconnect with loved ones, and remind people that you're there. Hey, I'm over here if you need to talk. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's a. If you haven't done it in a while, it's same thing as therapy. You haven't checked in with people and you haven't done therapy. When you do either one of them, you go, why didn't I do any of this sooner? This is crazy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I've done this yesterday.

[James Pietragallo]

This is all great. So I'm telling you, man, it's excellent. You need to do that too. Connect with people. That's healthy. It really is. Human beings, human interaction is really important for whether it's your friends or whether it's a therapist. Have lunch with a friend, have an appointment with a therapist. It's all important, always good. And you should really do that. And BetterHelp is the place to start with the therapy. I'm telling you right now. Better Help therapists work according to a strict code of conduct. They're fully licensed in the US Therapist matching, too, is a big deal here because they do the initial matching work for you so you can just focus on your therapy. They do a short questionnaire. They help identify your needs and preferences. And then they have 12 over 12 years of experience. So, you know, they get it right, right the first time they do. They have a great match fulfillment rate. But if you're unhappy with your therapist, you can switch to a different therapist at any time for no additional fee. It's great. And they have over 30,000 therapists. BetterHelp is one of the world's largest online therapy platforms, having served over 5 million people globally. And it actually works too. They have an average rating of 4.9 out of 5 for a lot of session based on over 1.7 million client reviews. Do it. It's time, everybody. Therapy can only help you this month. Don't wait to reach out. Whether you're checking in on a friend or reaching out to a therapist yourself, BetterHelp makes it easier to take that first step. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com Smalltown Murder that's better. H E L P.com Smalltown Murder now.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Back to the show.

[James Pietragallo]

This is insane.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

One or in a card game?

[James Pietragallo]

Oner. In a fucking. In a card game. So Pelosi, this is the guy we're coming from here. He is the head of the crew and the electrician here. Now he starts recommending all these elaborate, expensive things to her to do to the house and all of that kind of shit. The pipes that have to be replaced.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah. Cause I need money.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. We gotta move these I beams. Move I beams? Yeah. You're fucking mind. So the. They. They're gutting this townhouse here. And Generosa liked that because she said, spend as much as you want.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah. It's all his money.

[James Pietragallo]

And she also said you're kind of cute. Absolutely.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's married with three kids.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, so she married with two kids. Doesn't matter. They're both. And he's blown away by living in a nice hotel and having all this.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Money and gets to the hotel. Hot boss.

[James Pietragallo]

And she said that Danny's everything that Ted isn't. Okay, you know, he's rash and he's, you know, an idiot and, you know, all that stuff. Poor. You know, all the things that. He's not.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

An alcoholic.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. In and out of jail, things like that. Danny said it was the Princess and the Pauper. That was the relationship. She came from a world of enormous wealth. Been to every continent. And I've been to Florida. You fucking moved. I've been to Florida. These two are a weird couple.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Ah, funny.

[James Pietragallo]

So the $1 million agreed upon renovation soon becomes $4 million.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

$4 million of renovating. Half the price of the price tag of the place.

[James Pietragallo]

That is insanity. So Pelosi, Danny says, I ended up staying at the job instead of driving all the way back to Long Island? Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why go home when I can get pussy here?

[James Pietragallo]

Nobody commutes from the city all the way to the middle of Long island every day. Oh, wait, no, I'm sorry. Hundreds of thousands of people do that all day. They have a fucking train that goes right. It's all right. The expressway. It's all happening, but. Nah, you know, he said, one morning, Generosa showed up and found me sleeping in the truck. In the truck. And she said, none of her workers sleep in the truck. She said, you're gonna stay at the Stanhope. I'll get you a room at the Stanhope. Hope.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, he said, of course I knew. I. Of course, I was flirting. Yeah. I was in the middle of a divorce, you know, things with Tammy were rocky, Mainly because he's staying in Manhattan. Some rich lady, he said. And this was a very attractive, elegant lady who told me she was getting divorced. She told me she hadn't had sex in two years. You know.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why would she tell you that?

[James Pietragallo]

Two years?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why are you on that conversation?

[James Pietragallo]

I figured I'm gonna bang her out a little bit.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

How did. How did. How did her distance between now and sex come in between a circuit that I'm running for? The fucking lights in the bathroom.

[James Pietragallo]

Hey, that I beam. I don't like the location. You move it three feet over this way. How long has nobody been up inside you? You know what? I'm fucking you now. How's that?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What do you think of this wallpaper? When's the last time you got your ass ran?

[James Pietragallo]

I mean, really good? I mean, I mean, balls against your asshole, pounding. I'm talking about really a good shot, one of these where you're like, oh, my own. Afterwards, I gotta take a break. You know what I'm saying? One of those. Been a while, right? Wow. So he said, just to think she wanted something to do with me. Blew me away. It was the biggest ego trip in the world. Every guy on my job begged me not to fool around with her because they were afraid I'd get fired and we'd lose our job. So we're all getting paid. Like, this is crazy. We just suggest shit and she pays for it. We make a extra money. Awesome.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They were all worried this would go away. You know, like, happens when people get involved.

[James Pietragallo]

No, he was going all the way to the bar cart of the gravy train to fuck the bartender right in the face. Go. What do you think about that, huh? It's my gravy train. So he said, the next thing I knew it, I was driving around in a limousine, putting the wine menu in front of me. That's not even written in English. You know, I drink Bud Light. It's that easy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah. Cause you're the electrician. You just shouldn't be.

[James Pietragallo]

I don't know what these are. Yeah. So 2001. Pelosi is now living with her. Dani and her are living together at the Stanhope here, which is across from the Metropolitan Museum. That's important. In a minute. Don't worry. Yeah, that'll come in to play here. So they took, I guess, the Ammons here. Generosa and Ted took turns sharing the East Hampton house on the weekend. They rotated weekend weekends. You get it this weekend, I get it next week.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Treat it like the kids.

[James Pietragallo]

Exactly. Well, that's the. That's. Whoever had the kids would get the house that weekend. That's how it was. They said that summer Danny became a fixture in the Hamptons and a fixture with Generosi. Said I absolutely fell in love with her. Yeah, I fell in love with her. It was something about. Couldn't put my finger on it, you.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Know, something couldn't possibly be all pussy and money.

[James Pietragallo]

Just, you know, I mean, pussy money. Those are good. Those are good. So now the Ammons here, they're trying to work out a settlement. Ted and Generosa and the kids are really in the middle of all this mess. These two poor adopted kids who've seen enough strife in their life. Danny said the parents were so involved in the divorce, they forgot about the kids. It wasn't fair. I mean, it just wasn't right. You are the one causing a distraction, though.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You're making this real distance.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. You are rectifying their mom's lack of sexual activity on a daily basis now. This shit is expensive, by the way. All the shit she's doing. They would start out. This is just a day of Danny and Generosa here. They'd start out with breakfast at the hotel each morning for the whole entourage. That'd be about 500 bucks a morning. They'd tip the bellman $50 to walk the dog each time. Dogs piss a lot. A lot. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Three, four times a day.

[James Pietragallo]

$100 tip from bringing the car from the hotel's garage. That's on top of the $38 valet fee, anyway, so $100 to that guy. All of this and the bills would just be forwarded to ted, totaling about $70,000 a month in. Bullshit. Oh, my goodness. They hung out at the bar all the Time Danny and Generosa at dinner, Danny would leave tips of $100, sometimes $200. This is not his money Danny's spending. Throwing it around like fucking water.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Holy shit.

[James Pietragallo]

They said that the tips didn't quite compensate for what one of the people described as the couple's boorish and abusive behavior.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, they're a nightmare.

[James Pietragallo]

Tip. Well, she's an asshole. Like this. She thinks everyone's her servant, and he doesn't know any better. So if that's how you treat people, based on how she's treating people thinks that's what you do do. Because he doesn't know he's a fucking idiot from Long Island. So anyway, if Generosa saw a hotel employee talking to Ted when he picked up the children, she would get mad and try to get that employee fired because she would say that they were a spy for Ted.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Ted is paying for this lady?

[James Pietragallo]

Yup. In the bar at the hotel, sometimes she would just yell at random people and say, I know you're a spy for my husband. Been.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What is going on with.

[James Pietragallo]

They're like, I'm in town from Des Moines. I have no idea what you're talking about. I have a meeting I have to go to. My company sent me here.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I sell shower rings.

[James Pietragallo]

This is crazy. Yeah. What the fuck? These are very light. They have helium in them. So on New Year's Eve, they're watching the tv as people do on New Year's Eve. Everybody's watching the tv. She shouted, turn the television off. I want it off.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

That's what she said. And they didn't know what to do. And Danny would tell people all the time, I know guys in the mafia, you know.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, boy.

[James Pietragallo]

You know, I talk like this, so obviously I know mafia guys, basically. So one person said that Ted's paying these enormous bills and it would piss him off, especially the town home renovation quadrupling in price. And he was really pissed off that Danny's always with his children. He said one of his friends said that made him fucking crazy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Why? Made him lose his mind, which anybody would. Yeah. Especially if he's a bum. So.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And I'm paying for him.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm paying for him now. Pelosi's. This is Danny's wife. Tammy said that Danny went to work for Generosa, and soon after, he was never home anymore. He was gone all the time. She said how excited her husband had been when she. He first landed the contracting work. But they found themselves after a while with more money than they ever had. Her bank account was full. Tammy's. But she said that at home, he was never home. He'd spend less time with the family. Something was wrong is what she said. So she said her husband began receiving lavish gifts from Generosa. He soon moved out of their home and went to live in Manhattan in the high rise. As we talked about. She said, this is. His wife said, he still took care of us, I guess, because of the guilt he felt. He kept making improvements on the home and giving me gifts. And I said, I don't want gifts. I just want you with the kids and our lives back. He was like, ah, nope. So one person said also that Generosa reneged on the initial pledge of joint custody with Ted, with the kids.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Now she wants all custody, sole custody.

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely. Ted told friends that she repeatedly failed to produce the kids for scheduled time with them. One weekend, when the children were supposed to be with Generosa, he went to a theater with friends. It's not his weekend, so doing what he wants to do, at intermission, he made a phone call. And his friend said he looked real worried. He said, shit, I have to go right now. Because Generosa decided on a whim, she's going to the Hamptons with Danny and drop the kids off with the doorman at the building. At his building. He's living at 11:25.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

My kids are standing out front of my house.

[James Pietragallo]

They're sitting with the doorman with their friends, luggage and backpacks and shit. So he had to drive to the. He had to leave the theater and go do that. He said that also that she was poisoning the kids against him. She told them that their dad had mob connections and that's why he made money. She told them that the kids, that he'd stolen money, told the kids that he'd had their phones bugged because he was spying on everybody. According to one person, Ted claimed that Generosa even told the children that a big set. This. This is a thing that the kids remember later. The big satellite dish on top of the Metropolitan Museum of Art across fifth Avenue from the Stanhope. She told the kids that Ted had that installed as a means to spy on them.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's a listening device.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. Ted said he had to take the kids into the museum and get the curators to explain the dish and what it does and that Ted didn't put it in because they were convinced. They were convinced that he was spying. Then she thinks he's having an affair, like we said, with the investment banker, which really pisses her off. She later said, and I quote, ted had taken up with a woman from his past and was also having an affair with another woman by whom he had a baby. The difference is, I guess the blonde investment banker was living with another guy, a very well known Manhattan businessman. And the reason that Ted was with her all the time, Ted was working with her, but that guy was having an affair with her. Ted was being a wingman.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Atta boy.

[James Pietragallo]

The baby is this other guy. Ted never fucked this lady. It's not. He's had some other girlfriend, but not her. Yeah, not the one.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's got a girlfriend, but it's not just some fucking affair.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep, one close friend said, it was my impression that if there had been a romantic involvement, which he never once fessed up to, that it was sort of past and in recent times, it was my impression that she was just a real good friend of his. I would be astonished if that child was actually his. And it was later proven that the private investigator just said, I saw them together. Must be them. Ted never had an affair with her. And the baby she had wasn't his. It was one of Ted's colleagues. That's who he was having an affair.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She hired shitbag PIs and they gave.

[James Pietragallo]

All the money in the world. Couldn't get it right. So then there's courtroom confrontations. Generosa would arrive with her entire entourage, including Danny, and they'd all yell at Ted's lawyers in the hallway and yell at Ted, which is wild. Her own lawyers had managed to persuade her that Ted's representations of his net worth were correct. They said, listen, he's got less than $100 million. He doesn't have 300 million. We can't get 300 million because he doesn't have 300 million. So they said, you're going to get between 20 and 25 million and your house and some other properties and shit like that are going to be sold and you're going to get pieces of that. Right? That's how this works. She wanted full custody of the kids and the judge said, no. One week for you, next week for Ted. That's how this works. She was real pissed off, but she said, fine, drop the fucking papers and we'll get it over with. Let's do this. So October 2001, the divorce is almost final. Papers are being drawn up. By the end of the month, this shit will be signed, sealed and finished. God, I'm lucky. I was the brokest person in the world who didn't even have a fucking checking account when I got divorced. Made it a lot easier. Made it a lot easier.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Now she thinks that she just gets to keep everything.

[James Pietragallo]

Everything.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And that's not how divorce works.

[James Pietragallo]

No, you're not living the same. You get some.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I mean, it generally gets split down the middle. And then financially he takes care of.

[James Pietragallo]

And they built their empire together. That's fine. I'm not saying that she didn't come in at the.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Sell it all and split it.

[James Pietragallo]

She didn't come in at 11:59. You know, she. He helped build it. It's fine. But you don't get more than he has, so. October 17, 2001, one of Ted's longtime house servants filed suit against him. Okay. For several large sums owed to them. They say this was Steven Guderian and Bruce Ridner, a pair described by a former family friend as Laurel and Hardy. One tall and gaunt, the other short and heavy set. They worked for the Ammons for almost a decade and as mainly as close to Generosa as part of her entourage there. Now they're pissed off. They said Ted went back on a promise to pay the costs of their relocation back to the US From England. When they were all went over there, a sum they claimed to be $137,690.91.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's what their move costs.

[James Pietragallo]

That is. I've never heard of that before.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What did they move?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, what did you move? Buckingham Castle? What the fuck? Are you taking over the London Bridge? You the people who brought it to Havasu? What are we talking about?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Shipping fees?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, what are we talking about?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

The Statue of Liberty?

[James Pietragallo]

Did you bring the Statue over from France? They said that Ted had promised to buy them a home upon the termination of their employment and to give them at least $2 million in cash or securities.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

To do what?

[James Pietragallo]

To do to be fired. I don't understand. That's some kind of severance for what?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What did they do? They were.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what I'm wondering. Yeah, I guess they. That's crazy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Sign me up for that job.

[James Pietragallo]

Fuck. They said that they had paid family bills totaling nearly $25,000 out of their own pockets that had not been reimbursed. They said that money's advanced to security guards, 3250 equestrian bills, $2898.67, etc. Horse stuff, shit that they had to do whatever. I'm surprised they didn't have a credit card for the family. So they said that Ted had cheated them out of at least $750,000 in Internet stock as well. They seek more than $7.5 million from TED.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Cheated them.

[James Pietragallo]

Cheated them. People that know Ted said he laughed at the lawsuit, threw it to the side.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Stupid.

[James Pietragallo]

This is ridiculous. So Ted still has deals working. This is when he becomes the chairman of Jazz at the Lincoln center in 2001. He played jazz music as a kid, too. He was big into jazz and big into music. He just began helping plan a temporary memorial at the World Trade center. This was October 2001. Big deal for the Municipal Arts Society. One of the society's chairman said Ted was just, in fact, fact, finding his civic roots. So he was doing all sorts of charity shit like that. Ted told another friend here that his daughter Alexa had broken down in tears in front of him and was so sad about everything. And he said that he just couldn't wait for the papers to be signed so he could start spending more time with his kids and start healing this whole mess. He thought, paper sign, everyone will chill out. All the claws will go back in all the, you know. Saturday, October 20, 2001. Ted decides he's gonna come out to the East Hamptons that weekend and stay at the house. And he drives out there in his silver Porsche.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, boy.

[James Pietragallo]

Living it up, man.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

God, he's having a great time.

[James Pietragallo]

So he decided to spend the house there. And it's something, the weekend there at the house. It's something he did all the time. And sometimes if he said, I'll be back Monday morning, sometimes he wouldn't be back till Tuesday. Yeah, he's too rich to be held to a schedule like that.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Well, sometimes you wake up on Monday and you're like this wine hangover is.

[James Pietragallo]

I hear the ocean.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm not driving like this.

[James Pietragallo]

I hear waves breaking. Sit around it sounds good. So this is Monday, October 22, 2001, here. Not unusual, except they had a big meeting that was for a big money thing and he missed the meeting on Monday. So nobody was really concerned anyway, he could still blow it off and make up for it and all that kind of thing. And he would flake on appointments all the time. That's how he met Generosa. Flaking on an appointment with him.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Sometimes it pays off.

[James Pietragallo]

So, yeah. Then his business partner, Mark Engelson, he started to worry, he said, because he's trying to get a hold of him and he can't get a hold of him. And he said he might miss a meeting or an appointment, but he does not ignore phone calls and messages completely. That's not Ted. So they found out that it was Ted's week to have the kids and that Ted hadn't made alternate arrangements to pick them up due to his extended stay in the Hamptons. So they're like, he wouldn't blow his kids off either. He'd pick them up on Monday morning. They said he might be unreliable some areas, but never when it came to his kids. That was. He was always. If he had a place to be with his kids, he was. It's 5:05, I gotta go now. I gotta pick the kids up. So they get. So this guy, him and Ted's chauffeur fly out to the East Hampton airport on a corporate helicopter.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nice.

[James Pietragallo]

That's not bad. Arriving a little before five, they take a cab to 59 Middle Lane and see Ted's Porsche in the driveway. Like, what the fuck is going on with this?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Still here?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So Mark Engelson and the chauffeur enter the house and they're greeted by the three dogs, two golden retrievers and a chocolate lab. Those are three good pettable dogs right there. The dogs seem to be acting funny. They're not. They're not.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Not so lovable.

[James Pietragallo]

They're just acting weird. Yeah, they're like running in weird spots. What the fuck is wrong with you? That's what they're trying to figure out. So they're calling Ted, Ted, Ted. What the fuck? Then they see a trail of blood on the stairs. They follow the trail of blood as one does, and they head up to the master bedroom where they find Ted. He is sprawled out on the bed, completely nude, covered in blood, head beaten in, wounds all over him.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He went up the stairs like that.

[James Pietragallo]

Just absolutely looks like he's been killed five times over. It's horrifying. It's 5:19pm they call the East Hampton Village Police Department. Three policemen respond within minutes because they got nothing else to do in this town. And again, a lot of taxes.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Billy Joel's on tour.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, exactly. So that's Seinfeld's block. We gotta get over there. And they went around confirming there's no one else in the house. Cause it's a big like 7,000 square foot house. You gotta inspect the house. They also discover later on that Ted's the security system here. Which is a big elaborate security system that had nine individual cameras. And this is in 2001. Now, anybody's trailer has nine cameras. But back then, nine cameras was like the stash house for the local cocaine syndicate would have nine cameras, nobody else. So Walmart didn't have nine Cameras. So they said all these cameras and the system had all been turned off. Everything is off. So they seal the house. They wait for the Suffolk county homicide, which takes an hour to get there. They go room to room, thinking that burglary does not appear to be the motive. Because nothing is ransacked in a house like this. You'd expect to see certain areas of ransacking. So they determine that just tentatively by looking at him, that he probably died at least, or was partially killed by blunt force trauma from several blows to the head, Although they also said his body was severely cut. Okay, now, they said the blood, we understand, started downstairs and came upstairs and was even in the shower where it looked like the perpetrator or perpetrators may have tried to wash themselves off.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, they cleaned up? Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Covered in blood. They said the trail of blood is present downstairs on the terrace. And the blood trail goes upstairs, goes into the bathroom, and in another room, where it looks like Ted may have been trying to get away. So they're like. These clues don't help much. They help show kind of what happened, maybe, possibly. But there's no clue to who did this at this point is the problem. So they said his body had multiple cuts. The coroner would determine that before Ted was fatally beaten, he'd been incapacitated by a stun gun several times. They can't figure out an exact time of death. They said he could have been killed as early as Saturday night or early Sunday morning, possibly. But his body is room temperature at this point. They said the wounds. He had been struck 35 times with what the coroner said was either a baseball bat or a flashlight. And wounded several times by a stun gun. Neither weapon is in this house. Okay, fine.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Took him with him.

[James Pietragallo]

Took him with him. And there are. It's so hard when you get to this. There are rumors flying around, and I haven't seen an actual autopsy report, and I couldn't find that. But there are rumors around that Ted had his dick cut off. That was one of the rumors. That is, that was part of the many severe cuts that they were talking about. But I can't confirm that. So not sure. Later on, someone says that that may have knowledge of it. So I kind of believe it. So they say, yeah, time of death is difficult. They said the house guest of an immediate neighbor recalled that on Sunday he was painting a watercolor by his host's back pond. This guy's got an easel set up out in the yard. Get the fuck out of here.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Just say, I was painting. Just Say I was painting a watercolor.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, God. How rich are you?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Don't tell me what kind of paint.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, I don't need to know that. It was oil based. Shut up.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I had a water coming.

[James Pietragallo]

He said he heard several cars crunching over the gravel in the driveway of Ted's driveway. So we don't know who that was or when. He just heard gravel crunching. Wasn't goodly enough to paint a picture of the car that he saw the.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Watercolor was gonna drop.

[James Pietragallo]

Had to do stuff, man. So they said whoever killed him, they think stole his underwear, his bed sheets, and a computer hard drive that controls the elaborate video security system. Bed sheets and underwear.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's interesting.

[James Pietragallo]

Is a weird thieving. So I'll put it this way. This is crazy. In this town of East Hampton, this shit does not happen. No, period. And if it does, it is solved yesterday, Right? So the East Hampton mayor, Paul Rickenbach, used to be a cop. And he said that's the first murder they've had in 19 years. There's last one was in 1982 and not exactly a whodunit. A guy got shit faced in a bar and picked a fight with some other guy who. They got in a fight and the other guy had a knife and stabbed him to death, which is A to B and cuffs. And there you go.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And he got his wife.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, there you go. And he said, you're dating me now. Wow. So that was that. They said the only other murder in the village that they could remember was. Was in the 70s when a reclusive gay guy who was a theatrical set designer died in a suspicious fire. And they. They wrote it off as an arson suicide. So. Yeah. Which is interesting. Now the other thing though, with, with Ted here, there's defensive wounds to the hands and arms. He's a big guy too. He's gonna fight back. And he also seemed to have severe cuts as well, like we said. They said, was it a knife or the edge of a weapon? That's a blunt weapon that had an edge on it somewhere else. Blood had soaked into the rug, spattered on the walls, everywhere. There's blood outside the bedroom like we talked about. Base of the stairs, the living room rug, and even out on the rear terrace as well. They said that the killer would have been covered in blood.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Absolutely.

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely covered in blood. And that's why they said maybe they took a shower. So they said the plumber's traps and the drains are gonna have to be open to search for those and do all of that to see if anybody washed there, maybe they get hairs, something. They said the body was room temperature, so it likely occurred the murder sometime before it was discovered because it's had time to cool down to room temperature. No murder weapon found on the scene. The area's gotta be searched. They call out all the cops they can get to look all through the bushes and. And the pond in the backyard is dredged and everything to look for anywhere where you would throw a weapon, you know, just to get rid of it. There's no witnesses, obviously. They said an autopsy hopefully will narrow things down, but it's gonna be hard. It's really hard to determine time and death. It really fucking is. So they said the. To the right of the living room fireplace stood a black wrought iron stand. You know your fireplace stuff. Yeah, hand irons and all that shit. So he said it was conspicuously empty. They said, where was the heavy metal poker and the shovel?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Both of them are gone.

[James Pietragallo]

That's the two you use the most. You scoop the ashes out the shovel, you gotta move the poker around. I was just doing it last night. They said, were one or both of them the murder weapons? Is there more than one murderer? What the fuck? They have no answers. They go around to neighbors. They said that the one neighbor said they heard cars either coming or going, just crunching on gravel. He distinctly remembered the sound of tires crunching. They're like, okay, so a car was there yesterday. Great. That could have been literally anybody. Could have been delayed. Could have been him. It could have been anybody. Yeah, so they said no one. Preliminary canvass of neighbors. No one heard anything or saw anything. One woman wondered how Ted could have been killed without any noise. She said, why didn't I hear the dogs barking? Would have heard the dog. Over the next couple days, as things happen in a small town, it just turns into little clues, turn into rumors that turn into insane shit that people. They know what happened now. Oh, they solved it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Okay.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Aliens came down and sucked his dick off.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what it had. Ripped it right off from him. Now the problem is the cops are saying nothing. So people have to make up their own shit, apparently, because they don't have any answers. So they were saying that rumors are swirling. People are saying it's a crime of passion. Had to be somebody who he fucked that night. Look at what happened, the dick thing and all that. They said, how could a stranger have entered his house without tripping the alarm system and pissing the dogs off? So they said that a police report they also found saying a Naked man had been reported running down Middle Lane that weekend. Oh, yeah, they said, that's it. So the people said, naked guy running down the street, he's in bed, naked dick. Cut, cut. He's a closet gay guy who hooked up with the wrong hustler.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And that guy took his dick.

[James Pietragallo]

Took his dick with him and stole and robbed him. That's what happened. They said, yep, you got some rough trade.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Take my dick's underwears and bed sheet. Murderer.

[James Pietragallo]

That's it. That's all he wants.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's a caper.

[James Pietragallo]

Well, you gotta wrap the dick in something. So they said that, you know, they said also a mile or so from the house is Two Mile Hollow beach, which is where gay dudes go to hook up. That's the local hookup spot. He said, so, I mean, they go off into the dunes and blow each other, they said. And before long, that's what everybody said. Oh, yeah, absolutely. He's a. It's gay. It's all this big gay thing. So they said the problem is the strange events that had happened recently. The series of crimes by a local man, a naked man, that's totally not connected to. They said that he'd been exposing himself to women in the neighborhood, which doesn't line up with that. Also, they said he'd been in the vicinity of Wyborg beach on foot and in a red car, flashing females, masturbating and then running or driving away. But they said the naked criminal had been spotted 11 o' clock, Friday morning. Oh, so he was gone before. Yeah, he was gone before Ted was even. Before Ted was even in town. So they go, that's not him. Him running down the street wasn't running away from Ted's. Whatever. So Ted's friends said that that all seems like complete bullshit. They go, first of all, he wasn't gay that any of us knew of, number one. And just make that up and say that a guy killed him. And it's wild. One guy said that he'd always known Ted to be strongly, quote, even aggressively heterosexual. Even aggressively. If you got a vagina, his fingers go right toward it. It's just. He's real aggressive with it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Borderline rapist.

[James Pietragallo]

I mean, honestly, he is. He's a little pushy with the ladies. He really, really likes aggressive, heterosexual. I mean, they said, you know, anybody could have a life that nobody knows about. But they said the naked man, apparently, like I said, it was reported on Friday at 11am While Ted was still in Manhattan. And at least one other occasion at a nearby Beach. A man matching the naked man's description had exposed himself in other places. So doesn't work. And cops don't buy the gay theory as well. They said it seems much likelier that the murder had been committed directly or indirectly by someone that Ted had really had some intimate knowledge with, known for a long time. This is a crime of a lot of violence. Just robbing a guy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Violence, passion. It's not just passion. It's violent passion. And you don't get your dick cut off by just a random.

[James Pietragallo]

Not usually. And like I said, that's if that happened for sure. Now, they said that also. He managed to. He's angered a lot of people in his life, being a cutthroat businessman especially. Police try to talk to Danny and Generosa, obviously. Yeah. They arrive at the Manhattan apartment where they lived. Danny told the investigators that they couldn't talk to Generosa because she didn't know Ted was dead. We'd sure like to tell her, oh.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Don'T ruin her, dad.

[James Pietragallo]

Don't ruin her. She's gonna be all pissed off. And he explained Generosa's divorce lawyer had advised them to get criminal lawyers. And one of the detectives said, why would you need a criminal lawyer? We're just trying to find out some background information to see if you know anybody that pissed off at Ted.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I saw the dead guy, and he.

[James Pietragallo]

Said, were you involved in the murder of Ted Ammon? And he said, no, I wasn't. And they said, what the fuck you need a lawyer for then? But rich people get lawyers for everything. Later on that day, Generosa went to Ted's apartment to get the kids who'd been dropped off there after school. Nobody knew, so they were with Ted's housekeeper. And Generosa told them that their father had died out at the beach house over the weekend. She said, quote, your father took too much medication and drank too much.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why do you want to say that?

[James Pietragallo]

Later, when it became public, she told the kids, maybe one of your father's boyfriends killed him.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, Jesus.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, she loves poisoning the. I mean, this is after he put a satellite dish on a museum to spy on them. So the cops knowing about the alarm system. It's called the rapid eye system. That's the system system. So they contact a burglar alarm guy that knows about this shit and asked him, will you come to the scene and explain this shit to us? Because we don't know what we're looking at here. It's a new technology and everything. So they said, there was a secret video surveillance system with each camera taking one frame per second on a 90 day loop. They said someone, even the killer, could be watching them at that very moment as they investigated the crime scene. If everything was hooked up the right way. That's how it is. So they said a police technical team shut off all the phone lines to the house just in case somebody had been surveilling this. They said that the Rapid Eye system was hidden behind a wall in the secret safe room under the eaves of the house. He told them that it worked off Ted's fax phone line. He offered to show them, but they wouldn't let him touch anything, obviously. So the detectives located the concealed door and entered the safe room room. Inside they had a Mad Hatter's tea party still set up from the daughter. Oh, you know, daddy daughter tea party action here on a long table in the middle of the room. They said there was Monopoly money scattered all around. Games, fun, kid shit. They found piles of what looked like cotton candy on the floor.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Awesome.

[James Pietragallo]

Not so awesome. It's actually fiberglass insulation.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, shit.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, this is delicious. No, that's Owen Corning's fucking.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's Pink Panther.

[James Pietragallo]

Stop eating that Pink Panther killing shit. Yeah, this is bad. So, yeah, they said inside the. That had all been pulled out of the wall nearby. Not good. Inside the triangular hole where the RapidEye system had been, a bundle of black wires that had been connected to a power source and the cameras led off into the dark innards of the house. The video system had been ripped out and taken away. He said it was a good bet that the killer must have had inside knowledge that the system exists. Existed and know exactly where to find. A random robber would not know in a 7,000 square foot house how to find this fucking system and get out of here.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's by the Tea Party set. They always are.

[James Pietragallo]

It's always in there. It's a secret door. You'd have to know where that is.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Right?

[James Pietragallo]

So they went back downstairs to, you know, to talk to the guy again. And they said, who put the cameras in? And he said that John, this is the electrician, said, me or the burglar alarm guy said, me and a workman installed. And they said, well, who knew about the system? He said, me and one of my guys put it in. They said, well, who knew about the system? He said, me, my employee, generosa, their lawyers and Danny Pelosi, that's who knows about it. Which is interesting because Danny's friend had recommended this guy for the Job of installing. Installing it, which is interesting. They said that also there's Stephen the butler, Bruce the cook. They'd been there during the installation and also had knowledge. And they said, did Danny know how to unplug the system? And he said, oh, yeah, totally. Yeah, he knew that. So the main drive, hard drive of the spy system, this whole elaborate thing could not be changed once the photos had been taken, they said. At least not without leaving a trace of the. The computer, that erasures had occurred. Cameras could be shut off remotely using the laptops or one or all of them, camera wise. But again, they said the main drive and the separate laptop hard drive would have a record of that. Sure. So that's what they need. But that hard drive has been taken. That's the fucking problem. They said that they never. The burglar guy said he never shown anyone how to shut off the cameras, though. He said if that hard drive was changed, it would have had a different serial number from the original. So you can check that. He said that meant they had to clear this guy, the burglar alarm guy. Because he knew how to do all this shit. He had all the expertise, but he had no reason to. And he has an alibi, so it's not him. He said the system could also be foiled by someone with a working knowledge of electricity. You know, like an electrician, even an unlicensed one, like dipshit Danny, which, by the way, has no license.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's not licensed to be an electric.

[James Pietragallo]

He's a fucking idiot. He said you could pop the electrical meter outside the house before going in. The power cutoff would shut the system down, but there would be a record of a power interruption. Then rebooting on the hard drive. There'd be a time difference in the system clock. The difference between that and the actual time would reveal the length of any possible outage. Also, a burglar alarm keypad in Ted's room would have started beeping as soon as the power went out. It might have awakened him. So they didn't think the power went out. So no one turned the power out. Now the funeral for him. More than a thousand people attend Ted's funeral at the Alice Tully hall, which is the home of Jazz at Lincoln Center. Generos lawyer is also representing Danny, who refused to talk to the cops. They said they needed lawyers who specialize in representing people in this situation. This is a divorce lawyer they had before this. She said she didn't want to hire any big name in helicopter Manhattan people. Because she didn't trust Them?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah. And it's expensive.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. No, she didn't trust them. Money's no object here. You kidding me?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

But it's his money.

[James Pietragallo]

We'll talk about that. She said, I don't want anyone who has anything to do with the major law firms because they're all hooked in with each other. They're all in Ted's pocket.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

Ted's dead.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

No more pockets anymore. His pockets are cremated.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah. They were burned up.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So she hired. They hired Manhattan lawyer Mike Shaw, who had represented a woman who shot and killed her husband in 1990. 1996 while he slept in bed. Okay. He issues a statement where they deny everything. Now Danny has to go to court to face charges of driving while intoxicated.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nice.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. This is fucking fun. The Duwi that he got his car had been sighted weaving on the road less than a mile from the Middle Lane house in the Hamptons at 3.43am.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Almost four in the morning.

[James Pietragallo]

At September six o', clock, when he saw the lights flashing, he quickly pulled over and jumped in the backseat and pretended to be sleeping. And he's like, oh, what are you guys doing here? I pulled over to go to sleep in my car. I didn't pull over because you guys are pulling me over. I'm tired. That's all. They said, get the fuck out of here, bro. Get out of the goddamn car. You crazy? So they said that he failed several roadside sobriety tests, refused to take a breathalyzer, and they had to arrest. Arrest him. So he's coming out of court for this. And one of the detectives says to his lawyer, tell him not to be afraid. We just want to ask him about the security system. And the lawyer declined to let Danny speak to the detectives about that. So where the fuck was he? Well, Pelosi. Danny tells people that he and his friend Chris Perino went out to buy beer in the early morning hours of October 21, around the time when Ted was assumed to have been killed. So he said, yeah, I went out, but it was with my friend to buy beer. We didn't kill anybody. That's crazy. There was also. And so that's his alibi. Generosa has an alibi as well. She's with the kids, so they don't know what to do with that. They also want to look at Ted's first wife, also his girlfriend that he's seeing now as well.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Any men around then?

[James Pietragallo]

Them. Anybody that might be there, they said, though. But they particularly were focused on Danny because he's one of the Few people who knew the code for the security system.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Right.

[James Pietragallo]

Others included Ted Generosa and some hired help. They said Mr. Pelosi, this is from the lawyer. Denobs. Absolutely denies any involvement in the murder. They also referred to his defense lawyer and say, if you want to fucking talk to him, you talk to them. There are other suspects. There's a business partner, the guy Mark, who chartered the helicopter.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What about the people from England that were suing the shit out of him?

[James Pietragallo]

Well, let's go down the list here. Here it goes. There's one executive at Ted's firm that had been fired after a dispute with Ted. The split was so acrimonious, they had changed the office locks.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, wow.

[James Pietragallo]

A second executive also had a falling out with Ted and would have to be checked out. A group of investors got burned when a stock that Ted recommended tanked about a year and a half before the murder. They lost millions and were pissed off at Ted. Millions is a reason to kill. A few in the group could not afford to lose what they had lost, so they really were fucked. He also had business disputes with several other people. He'd arranged to sell his home at 1125 Fifth Avenue for $9.5 million to a second bidder. When the first bidder tried to back out after the 911 attacks, Ted wouldn't let him. And according to their contract, ted kept his $1 million non refundable deposit. Yikes. So the guy sued Ted. Is a million enough to kill over? I mean, people are killed for. We've had ones where someone got killed for $3. So who knows? He's also battling the board on his 5th Avenue Co op building, which is headed by actor Kevin Kline, by the way.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Is that right?

[James Pietragallo]

I love Kevin. Kevin Klein, he's one of the greatest actors. So funny. Yeah. Yeah, he's getting that fast. Times at Ridgemont High. Poolside titty every night. This. That's crazy. So I don't know if he's battling Kevin Klein's going after him or not. Apparently, Ted had sued them because they would not approve his sale to the second bidder. So who knows? Maybe Kevin Klein had him murdered. Watch out for Kevin Ammon's first wife, Randy, whom Generosa suspected of having an affair with. Ted had borrowed a million dollars from him. Wow. That's an amicable divorce. If you can borrow a million dollars from your ex. It's like the Money Pit storyline when fucking Diane from Cheers, Shelley Long borrows the money.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

A million dollars.

[James Pietragallo]

A million dollars. Also, her second husband was Randy Day. The first wife's second husband was a Greek shipping magnate who had his head blown off with a shotgun in July 1998 while they were in the middle of a nasty divorce.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She is a bad woman. Maybe.

[James Pietragallo]

So they're like, that doesn't look good. This is a possible murder. Suicide occurred while the husband was in Greece with his girlfriend, with whom they had a child. He had a child. Now, she, Randy Day, was in Connecticut at the time of the murder. Under the provisions of this guy's will, everything went to Day's son, but her alimony and expenses were cut off. So they were saying, did they think maybe that Day, who's a banker, had taken out a murder contract on her estranged husband so she didn't have to pay back the million dollars? Is that it? Also, there's the cars. A guy. There's an auto body shop. And On Monday morning, October 22, he saw a blue 1999 Audi when he came in to open his auto detailing shop. The keys had been dropped through the mail slot. He didn't even know whose car it was or what he was supposed to do with it. It didn't need any bodywork and no one had made any arrangements to drop it off. So he asked his staff. Nobody knew. He did a license plate check to reveal that it was owned by Ted. So he said, I don't know. He just shrugged. The car had been left there Monday morning by Danny's nephew. Oh, by the way, that car is back in the driveway. By the time the friends get there, there's a blue Audi back in the driveway. So Danny's nephew dropped this car off, then parked it back in the East Hampton driveway. It sat there for two days until the owner was informed that Danny wanted new brakes installed. He wanted it detailed inside and out and all that kind of thing. Washing and waxing, cleaning, vacuuming, shampooing, the rugs, chemical treatment for vinyl surfaces, all sorts of shit. The guy said it didn't even need new brakes, but he was asked to install a new set anyway, so he said sure. Then he sent the car out for detailing. Also, he gave a Taser stun gun to Tammy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Remember?

[James Pietragallo]

Stun gun marks all over him? Danny did. He called his younger brother Jim, who was an NYPD cop, and asked him if it was a violation of his probation to have a Taser. He said his brother said, they're gonna violate you, stupid.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah. Fuck yeah. It's not good.

[James Pietragallo]

So Danny said, can you get rid of it for me? Because I don't want to Carry it around if I get pulled over. So he said, yeah, I'll put it in the drop box at work. There's a box that the NYPD has where you can just drop any weapons, no questions asked. They run them for shit and then destroy them. So they called Danny, called his ex or called his wife, Tammy, or ex wife, wife at the time or whatever, who called the brother and asked him to come get the taser because she didn't want it around Jim. The brother picked it up and drove away with it. Okay. Now, the detectives at that point started questioning Danny's family. Danny offered to get his father and other family members, lawyers. Oh, several accepted the offer, but his father and several siblings said, I don't need a fucking lawyer for this. I don't know anything. So the sat. The next Saturday, after the. The murder here, Danny took the kids, the twins, to go have some fun. So they drove into the city. Danny drove to the apartment of one of Generosa's lawyer and gave him a laptop computer on which he had watched Ted and his girlfriends at the beach house. This is evidence that he was doing shit at the beach house. After dropping off the computer, they went to Six Flags Great Adventure in Jersey, and the kids had fun. After a week, the police are finished going through the beach house, and Generosa hired a cleaning company to replace all the rugs in the bedroom and living room that had sections cut up and removed. She was pissed at the $30,000 in damage done to her house. You bastards. So before the cleanup, Generosa and Danny's lawyers hired top private detectives and forensic investigators to come in and do their own investigation and do after crime scene photos. That investigation doesn't count for anything.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It doesn't matter.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, you can. You have no standing there.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You're worried about pissing away 30 grand. You're pissing away more now.

[James Pietragallo]

I can't go into a Taco Bell and go, I'm gonna inspect your back for my inspection. Doesn't count for anything. I can't, like, write you up a health code violation. Doesn't matter. So on November 6, Danny had his first encounter with the press. He was driving Ted's station wagon from the beach house, and he went to check on a few things with Tammy and his kids. When he pulled into the driveway and got out of the car, a reporter called, hey, Danny. And Danny turned. So the reporter knew, It's Danny. So he said, I want to talk to you. And he said, did you kill Ted Ammon? And Danny smirked and said, call My lawyer.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, that's not a yes or a no.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm in the press, not the cops. Yeah, that just means I'm going to put in the paper. You said, call my lawyer, which.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's not good.

[James Pietragallo]

So the reporter had gotten the license plate of the vehicle, which was still registered to Ted. So the next day, the newspaper headline was, other man drives dead mogul's car.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And says, call my lawyer.

[James Pietragallo]

Call my lawyer. Then the will comes in. Oh, okay. Ted had never changed his fucking will since 1995. He was going to change it after the divorce was final. Never got a chance to change his will. Generosa inherits $81 million.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, my God.

[James Pietragallo]

$81 million. Everything. All the property, all the stocks, all the cash, all that 81 million fucking dollars.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nothing to the kids, everything to her.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, literally. Well, no, I guess it's all financial assets. There's a tax exempt gift of 675,000 to his kids, which. That's all that tax trust shit. And all the personal property and effects go to her, though. The will was dated August 22, 1995.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, boy.

[James Pietragallo]

Throughout the whole year long proceeding, he never had it rewritten because the divorce papers hadn't been signed. And she was his lawful wife. Still, the entire estate passes to her tax free because they're still married, so she technically owned it. Yeah, so she gets all of it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You've been pissing away your own money, you dumb shit.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep, $80 million. And also after all these interviews, the detectives learned that Danny had Ted's cars all cleaned after the murder. That was suspicious because that's. You could erase, you know, trace evidence, shit like that. Their suspicions were deepened when they heard about a supposed red stain on the passenger side rug of the car that was cleaned. And a bad smell. Could it have been blood? They don't know. So they approached the guy at the shop that does all that and asked him about the cars. And. Yeah, he said that. He said that there was a red stain. He thought that when he heard all of this, the red stain and all this, the guy was putting it all together and he said, holy shit. Danny did this? He said if the cops are right, his shop had been part of this cover up.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Clean blood.

[James Pietragallo]

He was used to cover up a murder and he was pissed off. They asked who had done the detailing and he gave the name of the place. He told them that he didn't notice any stain on the rug, but he might have missed it. I wasn't looking for that, he said. He told me Danny this is the guy at the shop said about Danny. He told me when this guy was killed, he was at a wedding. Then he told the detectives something else. He said. Danny told me that he heard the man was hit in one room and found in another room. He said there was a lamp missing, and they thought the lamp was the thing that was used. They were like, how the fuck would he know that?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, why do you know that?

[James Pietragallo]

So when asked for the exact words he heard, this guy said that Danny said, quote, allegedly he was bashed in the head, murdered, and dragged into another room. Room. They said they noticed that. This guy said he noticed that Danny had prefaced his remarks by saying that the private detectives that they had hired had told him this so they might know police people to be able to get into the report, because most of those guys are ex cops. So they said that he said that Danny had asked him if he could fly him out of the country, but he told him that it was just a joke. He was talking about this guy. They asked this cleaning guy, this car guy, if he'd be willing to testify before a grand jury. He said, yeah, sure. He said that he told Danny then that the cops had been around asking questions about him and his cars. And Danny said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it all the time. He said, just told this guy to tell the truth and give him whatever they want. I got nothing to hide.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

All right?

[James Pietragallo]

Which is the right way to do it. Investigators spoke to the man who said they saw two men leaving Ted's property on Sunday afternoon after the murder. They said, was it Danny and a friend of his? You know, who was it? The detectives showed the witness a photo array which included a picture of Danny. But he didn't pick out anybody. He said, none of that. I can't pick any of these people out for sure. A lady Danny knew well said basically tried to extort him. She said, I want money to not tell my story. Give me $10,000 or I'll go to the New York Post and say you did it. Danny replied, suck my dick. Get the fuck out of here. So Danny told her he didn't kill anybody and the cops would never believe her. And he told her that they would see it for what it was, extortion. So she said, how about $1,000?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I need a grand.

[James Pietragallo]

And he said, I'm not paying you a dime. She said, well, could you lend me $380 for my car payment?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What?

[James Pietragallo]

That is a real switch now. JP Morgan Chase. This is interesting. A petition is filed by JPMorgan Chase, the bank as a co executor with generosa of the will. Under normal circumstances, the bank would simply facilitate the transfer of a deceased's estate to his spouse as the will directs. However, this is a little different. After stating that ted's estate totaled $81.4.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Million, now there's suspicion.

[James Pietragallo]

Wow. Investments and partnerships. $30.5 million in real estate, $22 million in cash, 14.5 million in other investments. 10 million in securities brokerage accounts. 2.4 million personal and household effects. 1 million in artwork. A million that. The bank noted that a homicide investigation was pending and that no assets were to be transferred until it was concluded. They also requested to be named sole executor. The bank did. They said the bank has decided to. Generoso said the bank has decided to take sides here, which is very unusual. So they filed a petition to have her remain as co executor, Yada, yada yada. Her advisor said, because the bank is hostile, Mrs. Ammon is getting no money. She's out borrowing money. She was getting 50,000amonth in basic expenses from the supreme court. The court was entertaining a request to provide a lot more to complete the construction of her new home. She's not a money person, and she's just had no money to pay basic obligations for her family. The hostility of the bank in this regard is just horrendous. Yeah, so, yeah, that's what they did. But anyway, she ends up getting the money. Now, the detectives said they were close to solving the murder. Seemingly. They told the advisor that they're closing doors and said, quote, I think the person or persons who killed Ted will either prove to be an enraged creditor or an enraged boyfriend. That's what generosis advisor told her. Now, it's interesting. The only reason this guy suspects the boyfriend angle is because of what generosa told him. Generosa had said that in the last couple months together, Ted became impotent with her, and that was unusual. He clearly appeared to be losing affection. So that means he's gay now.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's not interested in pussy anymore.

[James Pietragallo]

That means he doesn't 10 just didn't find a piece of ass he liked better. That means it's not possible that my.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Behavior made his penis soft?

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no. And he's been able to get it up for 20 years before this. But now all of a sudden, he's so overwhelmingly gay in his mid-40s, he can't help it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Couldn't possibly be that I'm in AN no.

[James Pietragallo]

Or 50. 52 years old. Yeah. Other people just all of a sudden they, I can't get hard with a woman. And the only guys, I'm 52. So then they were in England at one point and an English reporter knocked on the door of the manor house. And Danny answered and said, get the fuck off my property now. Just go away. So the headline on the story over there was, he's the lord of the manor.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

It's evidently his property now.

[James Pietragallo]

Guys, wow. He said, we want to calm down for the kids. The bottom line is bad press. It was coming to the kids and had a large emotional impact. There were horrible things written about their father. And they were bullied at school because of that. That's why we relocated. Generosa said she wants to move on with her life, but she's still mourning her ex husband. She's been under a lot of stress lately. You know how that is. Yeah. And they said, are you a suspect? And Danny said, I wouldn't be here now if any of that were true. They wouldn't let me go to England if I was a suspect for murder. Meanwhile, their lawyers had decided to cooperate more with the murder investigation and advised them to do the same. Listen, if you want to clear your name, you have to do something.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You gotta talk to them.

[James Pietragallo]

They said, you gotta provide fingerprints and DNA samples and shit like that. So they did that. They did all the DNA shit. Lab tests isolated Generosas and Danny's DNA configurations and they're compared to shit from the house. But they lived there every other weekend.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

So there's gonna be DNA everywhere.

[James Pietragallo]

DNA's all over the place, so there's traces everywhere. Usually they left one of their fingerprints. They said, unless somebody left their fingerprint in Ted's blood, none of this shit matters. Fingerprints or DNA doesn't matter because they're all. It's all everywhere. They had isolated several fingerprints and one blood sample in the mansion that matched neither Generosa nor Danny's, nor any of the samples people who had known access to the home had as well. They said, is that the blood of the killer injured during the murder or in the. What? Many, many, many, many guests and parties they've had at this house. Did somebody cut themselves one time? Who knows? Danny told the reporter, here's a headline for you. The DNA does not equal. Dan. Dan, Danny, Me.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nice job, Dan.

[James Pietragallo]

God, he's a moron.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He said, I can spell three letter words.

[James Pietragallo]

Good guy. I'll rearrange them too, because I'm smart. People have some other DNA in the mix and it isn't me. The big picture's far away from me. I would look at me if I were the police and anyone reading the papers would look at me. But enough already. Yeah, that's good. And then they said he called. No more suspicion of me. And he's, by the way, this is coming out of court. And he had a suit and tie on. He ripped the tie off and said, I'm blue collar. This isn't me. Okay. You know, so. January 2002, Generosa and Daniel get married. Hey, hey, look at this. Half hour ceremony at Queensborough Hall. They then went to the estate in England, by the way. 22 room, 17 acre estate. Yeah. So then he had to come back.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

17 acres of England.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, it's a lot.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Wow.

[James Pietragallo]

Danny had to come back because he's got some driving under the influence charges and he's got to serve 4 months in jail for that.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That snooze in the backseat caused him 4 months?

[James Pietragallo]

A little bit. Danny, by the way, still banging his ex wife when he comes to the United States? Yeah, why not? Tammy has a weird soft spot for him. So now they keep going back to the security system. They said they found out through investigation that Pelosi hired a contractor to install the surveillance system that we talked about before. He was the guy doing it. The system allowed them to watch whatever was going on inside the house, even private moments by logging onto any remote laptop. They said if they were like in a hotel, on vacation, in a plane, anywhere, they would like they could look at that. So they were like, did they see Ted was at home and knew to go make a move because they didn't know he was going to be out there. Danny's cop brother, Jim, remember him? Okay, well, the Suffolk County Homicide squad and NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau detectives stopped by Jim's precinct to have a little chit chat with him. He said, my brother might be a fuck up, but he's not a murderer. Okay. But they told him that Danny had bought a Taser, ordered a second Taser, and had tested one of them out on a construction worker that he'd known, knew, Right? Tasers had serial numbers just like guns and could be traced. They told Jim that Ted's body bore stun gun burns on the skin. Evenly spaced, round red burns like the marks of a vampire. Then the detectives said another thing. They said the probes on the taser model Danny had were the same exact distance apart as the dove, as the double marks on Ted's skin and Autopsy photos. So now Jim had been asked to get rid of a Taser. Do you remember that? Drop it in the box. Jim didn't mention that at this point, he's withholding some shit. As they ticked off the version of their case against Danny and all this type of shit, they kept saying, the stun gun's missing. Uh, oh, this is not good. Now, Danny had this system installed and all that. So Jim called Danny after all this and said, we got to talk. Either your alibi's full of shit or they're full of shit. Somebody's full of shit. He said, I don't believe you're a murderer, but maybe I'm wrong. He's thinking in his head. So there's rumors circulating. Danny denied the rumors and said he only had one stun gun, not two. He said, even if Danny was innocent, Jim might be charged with destruction of evidence and his career could be over. He could go to jail for this shit, lose his pension. Yeah, they said if the stun gun had been destroyed, it would look like Danny. And he destroyed it because it was used in a murder. So Jim was kind of fucked here. He didn't want to hurt his brother, but he also didn't want to lose his house. So Jim drove to Long island, called Danny, and arrived outside the murder house where Danny was supervising a crew of workmen who were cleaning up the mansion. He told Danny he wanted to talk to him, and he said, this is serious. It could cost me my job. Jim said, get in the fucking car. They drove to a beach and parked, and they got out and walked. And he said, danny, you've got nothing to worry about with the fucking taser, have you? And he said, I got nothing to worry about. Danny said, so Jim said, I'm going to ask you something, and I want you to tell me the truth. Did you do this? Did you stun Ted? And he said, what the fuck are you talking about? And Jim said, the detectives were in my office with my sergeant. You get it? Like, this is bad.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They're dead serious.

[James Pietragallo]

He said the detectives told him the marks from Ted's body from the stun gun were the same stun gun you had. Not cool. And he said, I don't care. It wasn't for my gun. I swear on my kids. So Jim said, yo, if you did this, come clean, get it off your chest, and at least I'll bring you in.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah, and I'll be the hero, you.

[James Pietragallo]

Know, at least I'll look like a decent guy and you don't have Somebody who'll drag you in there and treat you like shit. So Danny said, what, are you, fucking nuts? And he said, you'd rather bring me in than. He said, you'd rather have me bring you in than the detectives bring you in? And he said, jim, I didn't do this. This is crazy. So they're arguing out on the beach. He told Danny, the detectives also told him that the taser came with three dart cartridges and there were only two with the one that Jim had taken from Danny's house. Where's the third? Danny denied that he had fired one of the cartridges into Ted. He said, but there's three darts. Danny, where's the third dart? And he said, it wasn't there. Maybe the guy I got it from must have used it. Okay, this is looking ugly now. He said, you're a fucking liar, Danny. They're gonna fucking have it. This is the thing. He said, the dart. And Danny said, the dart cartridge wasn't there when I got the gun. And he said, you better hope to God. Jim says, if you did it, let me arrest you. He said, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. He said, you dropped it in the box at the precinct, didn't you? And Jim said, never mind where it is, Jim. So Danny wondered whether Jim still had the taser, and if he did, what the fuck's he gonna do with it? So the next Thursday, Jim played golf with his father before going to work. And he told his father he'd been about to be made detective when Danny's stun gun mess came up. And now he feared that he'll never get the detective, never gonna be a detective. So he was afraid that the best that could happen was he'd remained, you know, a fucking cop, a beat cop. He said, dad, I'm afraid I'm gonna use my. Lose my job over this. And his dad said, don't worry, even if you do lose your job, we'll set you up in business and all that. And he said, no, I wanted to be a cop. That's what I'm doing.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I like my.

[James Pietragallo]

He said, if I find out Danny did this, I'm taking him in. So early 2003, Generosa is diagnosed with breast cancer. Uh.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, yeah. It's not good. No, it's bad. It's not metastasizing and in bad shape. It is stage four, just like her mother.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She's in trouble. It's gonna go brain.

[James Pietragallo]

And this is at the same time her and Danny's relationship Are falling apart. She's on pain medication all the time. And also she's drinking.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, no.

[James Pietragallo]

And yeah, she said she was telling the kids, we're not going to have any money for food this winter.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Winter.

[James Pietragallo]

$80 million, weird shit like that. They said she just started smoking twice as many cigarettes because she didn't care anymore. She thought she was fucked. Yeah. Danny brought his lawyer home and introduced him to Generosa. And he politely said, how do you do? And she said, how the fuck do you think I did? And then said, I hate lawyers. I hate bankers. Get him out of here.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

All right.

[James Pietragallo]

Later on, she warmed up to that guy and appreciated his manners. But she's always on pills and booze, and she's a mess. At this point, she's even meaner. Oh, she snaps. She sometimes hallucinates.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

One night she saw a ghost and grabbed a butcher's knife from the kitchen counter to defend herself and was stabbing the air. Oh, my saying, quote, ted, you fuck. While she did it, Ted was haunting her. Her. Danny said, honey, it's me. And she said, get away from me. And Danny said, okay. And then she sobbed and said, you've ruined my fucking life. And slashed Danny with a butcher knife.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, Jesus.

[James Pietragallo]

So that is wild. Then she said she was sorry and I don't see the ghost anymore, and I feel okay now. And he didn't want. He wouldn't go to the hospital because he knew the press would find out about it and it would look terrible that his crazy wife stabbed him. Now, there's also a nanny now. Not what you think. Danny ain't banging the nanny. The nanny hates Danny.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Really?

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, yeah. She did not like Danny. She said, quote, danny came from a bad gene pool. She criticized him for his crudeness. His crudeness? His gambling, his womanizing, all this shit. She knew that Danny's past, and she said, she's making this poor cancerous woman feel bad. Here. Here. Then she said she was relaxing with her friend. At one point, she had referred to Danny as shady. A whole bunch of times. She's hanging out with her friend, and she said, danny told me that he killed Ted. What? The nanny said. She said that Danny confessed that he had sneaked into the beach house, put down a plastic sheet in the living room, beaten Ted to death, then cut off his penis.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Really?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. They said, well, why would Danny tell you that he killed Ted? And she said he would never be that stupid to make a statement like that. Do you actually believe he killed Ted? And she said, no. And they said, well, why would he tell you he did it if he didn't do it? Nobody in their right mind would make a statement like that. I don't think so. No. I don't think he would ever tell you that. You can sit here and say that. You can sit here and say that you think he killed Ted, but, you.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Know, the penis thing is weird.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, it's real weird. July 2003, Generosa died. Gone dead already, quick two years. Not even six months.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No, no, I mean, two years from him being dead.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Whoa.

[James Pietragallo]

It's wild now. She had updated her will. She left Pelosi Danny $2 million. And the rest of her money at this point, more than 30 million because it was like 20 million in fees and all the other shit to the twins.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Great.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. So that is.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, he's gonna pissed.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, he's a little upset. Immediately after she's cremated, he takes her ashes to the Stanhope Hotel bar, where he ordered her favorite drink, a Cosmo and toasted the ashes with a beer and chatted with a New York Post reporter.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Okay.

[James Pietragallo]

He said, I'm not saying I'm the most normal guy in the world. I do spontaneous, wacky things. My wife had just died. I'm not entitled to be a little wacky.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You're drinking with Ash.

[James Pietragallo]

Inappropriate. Also, he's contesting her will in court.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Of course he is.

[James Pietragallo]

He should get more.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's gonna try to fight the money from the children. That's fucked up.

[James Pietragallo]

He's also fucking up.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

He's been in and out of court for drunken driving. He's been jailed for four months. He also faces charges of illegal billing for electrical work. And they claim that he had rigged an illegal meter bypass at his house with Tammy and had been stealing electricity since 1996. Uh oh. Whoops. By the way, Aunt Sandy, Ted's sister, she wants custody of the kids. She lives in Alabama down there. She wants the kids to come down there. Her husband's a doctor. They have three grown children.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They don't need the money, but they'll. Whatever.

[James Pietragallo]

They'll keep an eye on and make sure nobody fucks over these kids. You know what I mean? Now that Generosa's dead, people start to come forward. They were terrified of her.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Her death sparked floodgates open to people willing to talk to investigators. Now multiple people come forward claiming that Daniel can find killing Ted to them.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Really?

[James Pietragallo]

Multiple people? Yeah. He denies it, but. No, they said it was. That's what it happened.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

All these people were afraid of her and him, that they'd kill him too.

[James Pietragallo]

Several witnesses said Daniel had bragged about the murder to them. And even those people are even willing to testify. Even his own father is willing to talk to the cops and testify against him. They're like, holy shit. His father told the cops how his son had called him, asking him how to dispose of something so that it wouldn't be found on the night of the murder.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What the fuck?

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. A co worker testified that Danny had told him a year earlier about his plans to get Ted's money by romancing the wife and then killing him.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Whose idea was this?

[James Pietragallo]

Pelosi told the guy, quote, I'll bash in his brains while he's sleeping and.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Cut his dick off.

[James Pietragallo]

Cut his dick off. Take it with me. Wow. Now the police go start arresting people. They arrest Danny's friend, Chris Perino. We should have had more time to talk about him. He gets surrounded by cops as he drives away from his home saying, we're taking you in for murder. And he's like, what the fuck? And they're like, well, you know, come on in, you're going to talk to us. I guess Danny. They told Danny that he blabbed about the killing in jail, which was not true. But they said basically Danny already told us that he did it. So they told him, your life is over, man. We know you're involved in. And he said, no, no, I didn't do anything. I gave a written statement and all this type of shit. But they said, you know what you did? You know what you fucking did.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I just told him what happened.

[James Pietragallo]

You got ratted out. Danny's Pal Alex, a 40 year old electrical worker, also was taken in at gunpoint. He told the police in a signed statement from that he was told that police had a signed statement from Danny's sister that Alex had been captured on the video system at the beach house peeking on Ted the weekend of the murder. So Alex said, nobody told you that because it didn't happen. So he said, bullshit. So they said, all right, we tried it. They rounded up another real estate friend. He had nothing. Nobody cracked basically out of these people. Nobody. But he's the suspect. There's a surveillance, obviously the system of surveillance cameras through there that he was able to access remotely. He's the only one, basically. He's the only one where all of these factors could do this and has the physical capability to commit the murder. He said. On the night of the murder, the panel concealing the system was pried open, hard drive removed, never recovered. Yeah. Now, Danny said he drove out to his sister's night that night, that house that night, to leave a laptop with her so that she could access the remote cameras. He said he arrived at 1:20, accessed the security system for about 16 minutes. Minutes, according to the prosecution. Later, Chris Perino met him there, drove him in the 1999 Audi there, and that his sister. That night, his sister told the cops she had hugged Danny on his way out and felt a gun under his jacket. Essentially something hard, a hard object under his jacket. Perino later on will admit to disposing of the leather jacket.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why?

[James Pietragallo]

With blood on it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

That he was wearing. Because Danny had a new leather jacket after that weekend. Interesting. And that's the Audi that was detailed and shampooed. 2003. He gives an interview to ABC News. Danny does. Yeah. He says, I did not murder Ted Ammon. He said, I've been trying to scream it since day one. No, I did not murder Ted Ammon. If I knew who did, I probably wouldn't be sitting here. He said, I went from a guy who walked into an electrical job to becoming the boss. I thought I hit the lotto. I really did. Fucking mook. All right.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Why does he talk to the news about it?

[James Pietragallo]

February 27, 2004. He is charged with first degree assault for punching a man on a boat in Maui.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's in Maui.

[James Pietragallo]

He's on a cruise. And a crew member decided to stop serving alcohol to a woman he was with aboard the Maui Princess. Crew members were helping passengers board the shuttle to take them somewhere else when Pelosi grabbed this guy by the neck. Neck complained about the alcohol decision. This guy pushed him away, so Danny punched him in the face. This guy was treated for facial fractures. Danny is ordered to stay away from alcohol until his assault trial begins. Here.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He hit him hard.

[James Pietragallo]

He hit him real hard. They even gave him till Monday to dispose of any alcohol in his home. And saying at one point that he could tell by Danny's body language that he did not agree with the condition. Danny said, it's sad. The prosecution in the state of Maui is working with the prosecution in the state of New York. State of the state of Maui.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

He's a genius.

[James Pietragallo]

God, he's a fucking dummy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I bet he builds cabinets upside down.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, you know, it upset. He goes, actually, this guy knows how to. He can install security systems that are complicated. He's way smarter than both of us. State of Maui, State of Maui. March 24, 2004. They arrest him. He is going to be taken in on the murder charge at this point, he surrenders. They told him they called his lawyer and all that kind of thing. A grand jury returned an indictment.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Here we go.

[James Pietragallo]

Single charge of murder in the second degree. He pleads not guilty, is held without bail. They said the killer applied a stun gun to the victim's back and neck. The fatal assault inflicted defensive injuries in the form of fractures to his, his hands, arms and other places. He also suffered fractured ribs, punctured lungs, 30 blows to the head. They said that the defendant had purchased, meaning Danny, numerous stun guns before the murder. After the slaying, he made statements implicating himself as well as others in the killing. On the night of the murder, the defendant had the capability to look inside the house for 21 minutes at approximately 2 o' clock in the morning. He was the only one who knew how to unplug the secret surveillance system that spied on Ted and one of the few who knew it existed behind the wall. The Rapid eye unit was hidden within the recesses of that home in a location that was known to very few people. Outside of the installers, only individuals that were aware of the location of that hard drive unit as well as the power source which was a simple plug, was Daniel Pelosi. After the killing, the unit with its hard drive containing thousands of photos was removed from the mansion. A key piece of evidence that strongly points to the guilt of Daniel Pelosi. So they said that he, you know, that's what they think. They said she, they said that Danny cared more about his freedom than his money since it wasn't his. They talk about here. And he said it's not, the prosecutor said it's not his hard earned money. It's really the money of the victim who he's accused of murder. His defense says they had a weak case. Circumstantial. The lawyers are going to fight here about this. Pelosi saying he knew about the system but his attorneys deny wildly report published reports that he widely reports that he installed it because we know he was just in on the installation. They said the reason it took nine months to bring him in is because the defense in every step of the grand jury investigation, investigation obstructed in any way they could because it's been with the grand jury for nine months to get this. So the defense attorney says the case is weak. He says when a prosecutor walks into court and said we've been investigating this case for two and a half years, grand jury investigations for nine months and we have 51 witnesses, you know what that means? They have a circumstantial evidence case, and I suggest it's a weak circumstantial evidence case. Nothing about fingerprints, nothing about DNA, nothing about hair samples. They claim a stun gun was used. So pretrial. Pelosi is engaged again.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Is that right?

[James Pietragallo]

Danny's got another lady and he is having a kid with her.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She's pregnant.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, he knocked her up. Good dang. So before this trial starts here. This is fucking crazy. Apparently they're accusing him of threatening the. The lead prosecutor's children and tampering with a juror and admitting to the crime. The prosecutor said, I don't have to have a defendant threaten my own children. So now he faces additional charges of attempting to intimidate and tamper with a prosecution witness. And they said there's also evidence that he made efforts to reach out to a juror. Wow. Alexa, the daughter, said, I don't know how Mr. Pelosi lives with himself after what he has done to our family. Honestly, I hope he rots away in jail. No shit. Trial comes up, prosecution poses him as a hard drinking, hard gambling, hard luck thug who had romanced Mrs. Ammon.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Hard fucking.

[James Pietragallo]

Hard fucking.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Knocked the. Put some cancer in you. The lead prosecutor scowled at Pelosi and called him a sadist who enjoyed beating Ted to death. She said, this is not a whodunit. It was that man. Points to him. Him. That's how it goes now. The defense said, you know, this is bullshit. Basically. The police. Pelosi maintains his innocence. They. There's a million other suspects. They don't have any evidence. Give me a break. At one point, the defendant's lawyer here said that the Pelosi family believed that the Generosa believed that Generosa cast a mystical spell that caused the death of somebody.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Dang.

[James Pietragallo]

So that's just all these stun guns and spells. It's a mystical spell. The defense began a generosa could have done it strategy. That's their. That's their whole thing. So, yeah, they said that they had an uncollected hair visible in crime scene photos that could have been left by a gay lover of Ted's. That's where that hair came from. Jurors learned later that the hair was not collected, according to police reports, because it was determined that the head, the hair was actually growing from Ted's body.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

There's a hair here.

[James Pietragallo]

His lover. So his own father testifies against him. He recalled talking with his son at a wedding on October 21st. The day after, they think that afternoon, after the night he was beaten to death. And Daniel had asked him if someone wanted to get rid of something, what could you do? So later the father asked what happened to that stuff, stuff he'd wanted to be rid of. And he said that he told him a friend took care of it. Throughout the testimony, Daniel sat stone faced at the table, whispering and writing notes. He wouldn't look at his father even when his father called out, I love you, Danny, whether you know it or.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Not, whether you did it or not.

[James Pietragallo]

For your own fucking good. So he said, danny disappointed me. He disgraced the name Pelosi. A very proud name. He said the tension between the father and son boiled over when his lawyer, Danny's lawyer, accused dad of breaking his son's nose. And he said what? He looked over at his son and he said, shame on you. I broke your nose.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I punched you in the face.

[James Pietragallo]

Fucking break your nose. Yeah, he said that Danny's face reddened and said, you couldn't. And his father said, what does that mean? The fucking challenge. Want me to come down there and break your fucking nose? I will get over here.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I'm your father.

[James Pietragallo]

And Danny said, you know what I mean? So this was a big stir in the courtroom. The judge had to stop them. And the bailiffs came out and everything else and said, we're not going to have you two fight.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

There's conflict in here.

[James Pietragallo]

His sister said that he'd driven from the city to Long island that night to retrieve items from her house and that's the only reason he was there. He said he returned between 3 and 4am Danny testifies. Yeah, he said yes, he did recently buy two Taser guns. He used them on his workmen, okay, as an initiation to their working for him. It's hazing.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I buy $800 pieces of equipment to make you earn your job.

[James Pietragallo]

He said he hadn't Tasered Ted, though it was just a coincidence that the Taser marks were on Ted's body. You know, he said also Ted was found naked. What does that have to do with me? No, nothing. So who cares now? During the trial coverage, the New York Times reported that the prosecutors had no eyewitnesses, no damning physical evidence and no confessions to the police to tie Pelosi to the death. They said three people did, however, testify that Mr. Pelosi told them that he had committed the murder. Prosecutors offered no evidence during the trial to place Mr. Pelosi in the East Hampton house on the night of the murder three days of deliberation, long deliberations.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

You gotta think about this.

[James Pietragallo]

And they finally come back with a verdict of guilty of second degree murder. Okay, so during sentencing, Pelosi's lawyer told the court that he was not in a position to ask for leniency for an innocent man. And that's it. So Daniel's gonna talk now. And he said to the kids, he turns to the kids and says, you know how mom was. You all know the truth here. It will all come out. Meaning your mother did this. Come on. He called himself in court, quote, this is during his sentencing for murder, a victim of the media and circumstance. Holy shit. Then he said to the kids, I never lied to you. I'm telling you to your face, I didn't kill your father. I'd say I'm sorry, but I did nothing to be sorry for.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Whoa.

[James Pietragallo]

He said, I feel the jury made an error. I did not kill your father. I've been the victim here of medium circumstance. I will not, until the day I die, stop fighting to prove my innocence. Well, you got some time now and some lots of free time. You, sir, may fuck off. Maximum of 25 to life. That's the max.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Shit.

[James Pietragallo]

April 2005, he also pleads guilty to save his wife Tammy some trouble. This is also his fiance, because they're in trouble. One's in trouble for helping witness intimidation and the other's in trouble for stealing electricity. So he says, if I plead guilty to both these things, leave them alone. And they said, okay, fine. 2005, there's a movie.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Tammy doesn't know that she didn't have an electric bill for fucking 12 years.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah, she like, she didn't know what was going on. So, 2005, there's a movie called Murder in the Hamptons there. That's how that goes. The ex wife, Tammy, said, I just cried when I saw that movie. They made me out to be trailer trash. Trailer trash Tammy from the 2006, Chris Perino, his buddy, admits to disposing of the jacket and pleads guilty to obstructing an investigation and is sentenced to six months in prison. He said that he'd gone to middle Lane where Danny came out of the house, quote, disheveled and had blood on him, some of which got on the car. He said, I asked him what happened and Danny said, I had a fight with Ted and I think he's dead. That's it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What the fuck, Chris?

[James Pietragallo]

And he said that's when he had the audi's interior. Yeah. 2006, wrongful death suit against him, the administrators of Ted's estate obtain a $46.7 million wrongful death suit against him. He doesn't have that money, but that's fine. But eventually, his home is seized when they stop making mortgage payments on it. His home is seized. The one with his wife in Long Island. And they sold it off. And they eventually got $143,000 surplus that they gave to the kids. So the kids get that from him. That's how that goes. 2009, Daniel's ex writes a book. Tammy writes a book.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

I am not trailer trash. It's called.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No, it's called don't live in a trailer.

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. She said that during this whole thing, press were all over her. She said, they were in front of my house. They were at my job. They followed me in the car. So I hid. I did a lot of hiding. And, yeah, she said no one cared about Tammy or what was going on at the time. They just wanted more dirt on Danny.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Nobody cares about Tammy.

[James Pietragallo]

Nobody cares about Tammy. It's called pennies from an angel. Innocent lives behind a crime. I didn't do anything, and I'm not trailer trash. Oh, man, that's fucking funny. So she says also, they say, well, how did you. Why did you stay with this guy? And she said that it was part of an addiction problem she had. She said, he was my addiction. Some people choose cocaine or alcohol, but Danny Pelosi was my drug of choice.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That devil dick.

[James Pietragallo]

Wow.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

There's a lot of people that say that. That's a thing.

[James Pietragallo]

That's a thing. Yeah. 2011, Danny, all class as usual. He was placed in solitary confinement for 50 days in September 2005, three months after he was put in here after a correction officer witnessed his inappropriate conduct in the visiting area of the Clinton Correction Office facility in upstate New York. He was probably getting fucking jerked off under the table. In August 2008, he was placed in solitary for six months for using other inmates pins to place unauthorized phone calls, stealing from them. And then in May 2009, he served 30 days in confinement again for phone misuse, which is fun here. He's a scumbag back in solitary confinement now for making threatening phone calls to an unidentified woman. Wow, that is crazy. I apparently called this woman from Elmira and left a voicemail, threatening her and telling her, this is the last vacation you'll ever take. I'm sending some people over to your home.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No, you're not.

[James Pietragallo]

He admitted he made the phone call. As a result, he was sentenced to disciplinary confinement for 23 hours a day and no longer allowed to make phone calls or receive packages.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Take that.

[James Pietragallo]

Also, no more commissary purchase privileges. Gotta eat the shit. Food from the jail. Yeah. So he was placed constantly. He's in trouble in there. 2012. Greg, the one kid, brought out a documentary in 2012 about this whole thing. And the Alexa also studied film and graduated from USC in 2017. 2013. That's when the kids finally get the $143,000 for the foreclosure they owe him. He owes him like, 47 million.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

They should just blow it on, like, a cruise.

[James Pietragallo]

That'd be great. Just piss it away, have a party.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Rent the whole boat. Don't let anybody on it.

[James Pietragallo]

So, yeah, as of 2015, Danny was incarcerated in Greenhaven, which is not far from where we sit now. And that's where my mother worked. When I was a kid, I visited Green Haven. It was terrifying. Not eligible for parole till 2031, which is pretty fucking close.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's way too close.

[James Pietragallo]

He Sundays in a 2020 interview. Bottom line is, I did not kill Ted Ammon. Generosa did not kill Ted Ammon. She had him killed. Oh, yeah. Generosa wanted revenge. He says she wanted revenge because of that baby that wasn't his. Remember, she went berserk, berserk out of this world. Insane, white hatred, psycho killer. So she says that Generosa came up to him and his crew while they were renovating the townhouse and offering offered 50,000 to anyone who would beat her husband up. Several men said, I'll do it. Bunch of fucking electricians. And he said, I got regular guys working for me. $50,000 to go throw somebody a beating. I'm sorry. Everyone was interested in the job. He said Chris Perino took him up on it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Oh, he's gonna throw Chris under the bus.

[James Pietragallo]

Yeah. Yep. He said, Pelosi said, because he didn't want that to happen. He said he volunteered. Danny did, to be beat Ted up himself, saving his girlfriend time and money, he said, but she stopped him because he was on probation for dwi. He said I was going to get a year in jail for smacking this guy in the face. It was guaranteed that he was going to call the cops, and that's why Generosa stopped me. So then they said that Chris met with Generosa without even Danny's knowledge, behind my back. And he said that they were going, we'll keep this away from Danny, huh? Because Danny's gonna have a shit fit when he finds out about this. That's at least self explanatory. Because if you tune up, Ted, they're coming for me. Pelosi said he was transferred the balance. That he transferred the balance of Perino's payment from Generosa to Perino after the attack. He said, I'm not innocent in the things that happened after the murder. That's why I never told my story. But now he is.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

So he's saying, Chris. He paid Chris for this.

[James Pietragallo]

He helped. Yeah, yeah. Generosa made it all, but he just paid him the money after that. He was promised. Perino completely denies that and said he came out of the house covered in blood and I helped him do the car thing and get rid of his jacket. 2015. He wants a new trial.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Really?

[James Pietragallo]

Absolutely. He's appealing for bullshit. Basically. What is it? The defendant's contention that certain allegedly improper conduct by the prosecutor during his cross examination of him and throughout her summation had the cumulative effect of depriving him of his right to a fair trial. They said that's not.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She was too good.

[James Pietragallo]

It's not fair. Not fair. She had all this evidence. She was asking me shit and I was answering. She can't be that mean to me when I'm answering stuff. 2017, the kids list. The house for sale, originally listed at 12.7 million, went to 11.7 million and finally sold for, I believe. Oh, they listed it again for 10.995 million. It rents for 250 grand a summer. Wow. Three months. 250 grand.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

What the fuck?

[James Pietragallo]

Yep. He said that they weren't ready to sell it when other people wanted to buy.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

So they're renting it.

[James Pietragallo]

No, no, no. They said that had been being rented up until now. He said 50% of the people would rule out buying it just because of the history of the place. Some people wouldn't even go inside of the place. They said somebody ended up getting an incredible deal on the house. 8.35 million, which is a steal and a bargain for that house. And they said the buyer was one of several tenants that fell in love with the house while they were there. They want to gut and renovate the house and start anew.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She's gonna be furious again.

[James Pietragallo]

Greg also has access to the Big Flower brand and was operating in apparel and a shop that was in the East Hamptons as well that's closed down there. We have 2021. Greg in a social media post says, since your murder, talking about his dad, the lines in the story have been drawn, twisted and manipulated. Fingers have been pointed, narratives have been formulated and confusion forced, while judgments have been quickly passed. To most, our story has already ended or they haven't even. Or they aren't aware of a beginning. The groundwork of your legacy was set in glass, not stone. I will break through it and shine light on your truths.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Smart kid.

[James Pietragallo]

October 2023. Danny says he's innocent and he can prove it. Piers Morgan. He tells. He said, I didn't do it. I did not do this murder. I did not kill Ted Ammon. Ted Fudge fathered a child and Generosa had received DNA results. That was Ted's child and that was the straw that broke her back. We don't even think that's true. She said she'd be in a conversation with people saying, I'm gonna kill that son of a bitch. And goes on and on and on. By the way, 2023, there's a new festival, the Hampton Whodunit Festival. It's called like the Ted Ammon whodunit Festival. What it's for Hampton Mystery and Crime festival. They have now.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

That's fucked up.

[James Pietragallo]

Weird. Yup. And then you got the million dollar murder sources for this, by the way. Vanity Fair Murder in East Hampton by Michael Schneyerson. That had a lot of good investigative reporting. And the book is almost paradise. The murder of multi millionaire Ted Ammon in the Hamptons. America's playground for the rich and famous. Shorten your title. Kieran Crowley. Either way. There you go. There is the goddamn story that is crazy. We gotta bust through the end because we are running super late. Shut up and givememurder.com is where you go for everything. Philly has a couple tickets left in December. Virtual live show Thursday, October 30th. Available for two weeks after that. Get it right now. Anywhere in the world with Internet you can do it. There's so much fun. Just like a live show. Get in there and do that for sure. Shut upandgivemerder.com again. I said that. We are at Smalltown Murder on Instagram, at Smalltown Pot on Facebook. Certainly get Patreon. Patreon.com crimeinsports. Huge episode of Back. 300 plus bonus episodes you get immediately upon subscription. Anybody $5 a month or above. New ones every other week. We got one. Crime in sports on small town Murder. You get it all. You get all the shows. We make ad free and you get a shout out. Jimmy, hit me with the names of the people. People who need to be shouted out and who would never kill us in our beds. Hit Me with them right now.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

This week's executive producers are Kip, Kristen, and Jamie, who don't want us to forget about Julie Burjacre. Who? She. She passed away. Oh, no. A couple weeks ago. Yeah, she. She. She was a wonderful gal, and we've met her before, and yeah, yeah, yeah. She was in the hospital, and we were in Grand Rapids. Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

And.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And, yeah, yeah, she didn't make it. It's too bad she lost the battle, but we'll never forget her for her valiant effort. Wonderful woman, for sure. Other executive producers. Corporal Carl Kirschner is back. Do you remember him?

[James Pietragallo]

There he is.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah. What a guy. Gary. Yeah. Gary Howard is in Edwardsville, Illinois.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm sorry, Gary. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And then.

[James Pietragallo]

I think Jimmy's just bit his tongue real. Yeah, he's trying to.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

And that's her first name. And then Shasta the Shaw. Smith.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh, Smith Jones Doe.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Thank you, guys. You're the best.

[James Pietragallo]

Thank you.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Other producers this week. Liz Vasquez. Peyton Meadows. Ryan Bender. Happy hour in Memphis. Chicken in Memphis. Careful out there. Janice Hill. Amanda.

[James Pietragallo]

Thank you.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Jen Alverson.

[James Pietragallo]

Hey.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Putt, putt, bam. Put, put, bam. I think it's supposed to be putt, putt, bam, but you put one T. That is put, put.

[James Pietragallo]

That's put, put. Yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Rebecca Kennedy. Camille Vegas. Man smoon. What is that? Man's moon.

[James Pietragallo]

That sounds like a. A storm.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yeah.

[James Pietragallo]

Is it a monsoon? It's a man smoom.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Or. Or a big ass with a very short butt crack. Irene Castillo. Devin Graham. Clinton Persinger. Zendro.

[James Pietragallo]

Would.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

No last name. Helen's mom. Danielle Bush.

[James Pietragallo]

Or your ass crack tells you how big your ass should be. By the way, it's a guide to exactly how big it. I don't know. I think so.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I bet you're right.

[James Pietragallo]

I think it's.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

I would be right.

[James Pietragallo]

Top of my head, it's have a.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Look at it and then be like, oh, I got work to do. If it's smaller than. I don't know. Or bigger than. You got work to do, too.

[James Pietragallo]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Either one. Jeez, I got to put some ass on me. God damn. Eat some more cheeseburgers.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Danielle Bush. I don't know if that's ownership or not. Troy Bierbins. Blurbins. Wyatt Sheldon. Alexis Kaiser. Sherry Rushing. David Brucker. Kyle's Wilson. Kyle's plural. Valerie ryman. Ryman. Subtle. T3 owls. Not just two. Nancy Burling. Josh with no last name. Emily Silva.

[James Pietragallo]

Knox.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Darnell Swallow. I don't know if that's an order.

[James Pietragallo]

That alone.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

The young Jung. Albert Lucas. Crystal Jackson. Megan. Megan. Megan Peterson. Tord. Elvis Torto. This. Jason Ulrich. Caroline Russell. Dana Isa Minger. Kimmin Kim and Wilson. Kim. It's probably just Kim Wilson. I'm sorry. The end is right next to the.

[James Pietragallo]

M. We can't help it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Laura C. Yucky Bacala. I don't know what that is.

[James Pietragallo]

Bacala.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Yucky Bacala. Alexis Jones. Drew with no last name. Bailey Commons. Kameens. Whitney Painter. Eric Willoughby. Curtis Hardin. Patrick Murphy. Michael Mara. Amber with the withy. Jim Landrum. Kylie Tabor. Tabor. Tabor. Aileen McMahon. Yeah. Carrie Ann Ray. Stephanie Blanco. Kamia. Kamia Hamilton. Dorsey. Allie King. Brittany Secord. Not second. It's an N instead of an R. Oh, wait. Sicord Madison with no less name. Terry Wolf. Chris with no last name. Samurai Spiros. Ryan Huff.

[James Pietragallo]

Oh.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Mark Allen. J. Cohorse. Kaylee Martell. Mortel. Mortal. Ben Atkinson. Misty Frazier. Wasala. Lewis Cook. Dave Guilford. Yep. Michelle Waters. Jennifer Blanken. Eddie Fogel. Edie Fogle. That's not Eddie. That's one D. Edie. That's Edie. Alan Rutledge. D and T. This show two letters. D and T. Tammy with no last name. Rory Peterson. Barbara Myers. Christie Shipman. Shipman. I shipped my pants. Candy Homan. December Hansen. Melissa Crane. Robert De Groot. Paula with no last name. Emily Mehrling. Joshua Ratcliffe. Cam with no last name. Mojo with no last name. Ashley Spawn. Wrath. Pocahontas. 802. Melissa Linthicum. Nick Anstead. Jenny. John. Tony.

[James Pietragallo]

What?

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Jen. John. Tony. Three.

[James Pietragallo]

Three. One has done it again. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Krista Rummage. Ramaj. Rumage. Jamie. Rosa. Amanda. Amanda, you gotta roll your rumage.

[James Pietragallo]

There you go. Now you got it.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Clifton Clenden. And that's two ends. Danielle Hilton. Jeffrey Perkins. Eon with no last name. Matt Freeman. Chad Phillips. I worked really hard at Spanish and I still don't know any of it. But I can roll. I can roll the R's. Dave Livesay. Livesee. Katie Katz. Josh White. Brianna Collar. Kolar. Brian Carr. Oh, two names that are sound very similar. Entirely different people. Ash B. Kelly Moeller. Micah James. Clarissa. Clarissa Fleming. Elle Reidman.

[James Pietragallo]

Explaining it all.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

She is doing her damnedest. Megan Sear. Benjamin with no last name. Madeline Taylor. Rebecca Murray. Jen Sullivan. Joseph Brown. All rise. The honorable Gina Breen. Allison with no last name. Robin Balda. Jack with no last name. Laura Hyatt. Tyla Ames. Serena Jean. Serena Jean. Jada. Jennist Gainist. Me.

[James Pietragallo]

I'm the AD gainist.

[Jimmy Wiseman]

Jada gainist. She's so gain. Mead65, Jane Olson, and then also all of our patrons, though those people, don't forget them. They're the most amazing. Thank you all.

[James Pietragallo]

Thank you so much, everybody. You wonderful, fantastic, goddamn bastard. All that you do for us, we really do appreciate it. You want to follow us on social media? Shutupandgivemerder.com. we'll take you wherever you want to go. Keep doing that. Keep coming back. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye.