214 - Odd Throuples/Bot Bops (w/ Moshe Kasher and Natasha Leggero)

Summary

SmartLess Presents ClueLess

Episode 214: Odd Throuples/Bot Bops (w/ Moshe Kasher & Natasha Leggero)

Release Date: February 9, 2026
Host: Elliott Kalan
Guests: Moshe Kasher & Natasha Leggero

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Episode Overview

This episode brings together host Elliott Kalan and the comedic duo (and married couple) Moshe Kasher and Natasha Leggero for a rapid-fire session of wordplay and pop culture puzzles. The games “Odd Throuple” and “Bot Bops” challenge guests to make clever connections between historical figures, celebrities, and lyrics—all while riffing on public school history education, parenting, and the enduring legacy of “Hamilton.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Opening Puzzle: Presidential Pop Culture Crossover

• Puzzle: Combine the name of the 10th U.S. president and the Daily Planet’s editor-in-chief to reveal an actor/director’s name.
• Process:
  • Elliott hints: President's first name is John; Editor's last name is White.
  • Guest guessing spirals into “John Joe” before landing on "Tyler Perry" (John Tyler and Perry White).
  • Natasha confesses to gaps in her historical knowledge:
    Quote (04:08): “I went to public school in Illinois in the 80s and 90s. Never heard of President Tyler.”
• Historical Sidenote: Elliott shares that John Tyler was the first Vice President elevated to President upon William Henry Harrison’s death.

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2. Main Game: Odd Throuple (History Edition)

Begins at [06:00]

• Game Rules: Combine the last name of one famous person and the first name of another to name a third, typically a figure from American history.
• Notable banter: Natasha and Moshe struggle humorously with history trivia, joking about their education and knowledge gaps.

Round Breakdown & Memorable Moments

Question 1:

• Clue: Culture Club singer Boy + Legend of Sleepy Hollow author Irving = ?
• Answer: Boy George + Washington Irving → George Washington
• Moshe’s near-miss:
  Quote (07:42): “George Ichabod. So close!”

Question 2:

• Clue: Wendy’s founder Dave + Confederate President Davis = ?
• Answer: Dave Thomas + Jefferson Davis → Thomas Jefferson
• Elliott with deadpan humor:
  Quote (08:36): “One of those two people, an amazing advocate for adoption… The other, a traitor. You guess which one.”

Question 3:

• Clue: Oscar winner F. Murray + ex-Rhode Island Senator Chafee = ?
• Answer: F. Murray Abraham + Lincoln Chafee → Abraham Lincoln
• Moshe’s riff:
  Quote (09:15): “I don’t know Abraham Chaffee. He Chafey?”

Question 4:

• Clue: Jason (George on Seinfeld) + Secretary of State Fish = ?
• Answer: Jason Alexander + Hamilton Fish → Alexander Hamilton
• Natasha breaks into 'Hamilton' lyrics; Moshe responds:
  Quote (10:50): “I can’t even… my wife have a white woman singing the lyrics to Hamilton is just a bridge too far.”

Question 5:

• Clue: H. John (Bob’s Burgers) + the second Roosevelt president = ?
• Answer: H. Jon Benjamin + Franklin D. Roosevelt → Benjamin Franklin (although the clue is slightly muddled, but they get Benjamin Franklin)
• Natasha fangirls:
  Quote (12:37): “H. Jon Benjamin… he is so frickin' funny.”
• Discussion of Franklin’s legendary status, Moshe jokes:
  Quote (13:07): “I love taking time off from a revolution to go in Paris.”

Bonus: What do all these figures have in common?

• List: Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Hamilton, Franklin
• Moshe nails it:
  Quote (14:27): “I know what it is, and it’s what my mind is on all the time because of West Coast gangster rap—money. They’re on that. They’re on money.”

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3. Game Two: Bot Bops

[Begins at 15:35]

• Game Rules: The in-house bot reads sanitized lyrics; guests guess the song/artist.
• Backdrop: A welcome break from history—a time to flex pop music knowledge.

Bot Bops Song Challenges:

1. “Heaven is a Place on Earth” by Belinda Carlisle

• Near-miss: Natasha guesses The Go-Go’s.
• Quote (17:14): “I said The Go-Go’s, though.” (Belinda’s original band—the host awards half credit)

2. “Against All Odds” by Phil Collins

• Panel oscillates between Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel, finally settles on the right answer.

3. “Crazy Train” by Ozzy Osbourne

• Moshe nails it instantly.
  Quote (19:25): “I’m going off the rails… Crazy Train, Ozzy Osbourne.”

4. “Crazy in Love” by Beyoncé

• Both guests recognize the song, take a few tries to land on the exact title.
• Elliott jokes about “Crazy Beyoncé,”
  Quote (20:58): “…there’s the famous one, of course, then there’s Crazy Beyoncé who lives behind the barn.”

5. “Say Say Say” by Paul McCartney & Michael Jackson

• Natasha connects the duet; Moshe guesses “Ebony and Ivory” but that’s Paul/Stevie Wonder.
• They’re awarded half credit for identifying Paul & Michael Jackson.

Bot Bops Mega Clue

• What do all these artists have in common?
• Natasha & Moshe piece it together: all were successful in major groups and then as solo acts (Go-Go’s, Genesis, Black Sabbath, Destiny’s Child, Beatles, Jackson 5).
• Quote (24:55): “All were in famous bands and then went solo and were a success.”

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Notable Quotes & Comic Interludes

• (04:08, Natasha Leggero on presidential history):
  “I went to public school in Illinois in the 80s and 90s. Never heard of President Tyler.”
• (10:50, Moshe Kasher, on Natasha singing "Hamilton"):
  “I can’t even… my wife have a white woman singing the lyrics to Hamilton is just a bridge too far.”
• (14:27, Moshe Kasher, nailing the bonus question):
  “Money. They’re on that. They’re on money.”
• (24:55, Elliott Kalan, on solo acts):
  “Exactly. All artists were in successful bands and then went on to have big solo careers.”

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Timestamps for Segments

• [00:39] Opening Puzzle: Presidential crossover
• [06:00] Odd Throuple Game starts
• [15:35] Bot Bops Music Game starts
• [23:57] Bot Bops Mega Clue
• [26:33] Guests plug Endless Honeymoon podcast

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Tone and Style

• The episode is playful, quick-witted, and packed with running jokes about education gaps, marriage, and pop trivia. The guests’ rapport keeps the riddles lively, and Elliott’s dry humor gives each segment punchy transitions.
• Educational but self-aware, the episode leans into the fun of not knowing—and the joys of a good guess.

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Final Thoughts

This episode of ClueLess stands out by blending brain-teasing puzzles with lively repartee. Fans of wordplay, history, and music trivia will find lots to love—and perhaps learn a thing or two, or at least commiserate with Natasha and Moshe’s memory lapses. Don’t miss the duo’s banter about parenting, their evolving relationship with “Hamilton,” and Elliott’s zinger-laden hosting. The show ends, as always, with a gentle self-deprecating sign-off, and a reminder to hydrate and keep puzzling.

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Guest Plugs & How to Participate

• Endless Honeymoon Podcast: Natasha & Moshe’s own podcast on love, relationships, and listener secrets.
  • Voicemail for secrets: 213-222-8608

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Transcript

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[Elliot Kaelin]

The other day I was crossbreeding a golden retriever with a crocodile when I realized some things just do not go together. Of course, there are many things that belong together. Peanut butter and jelly, rhythm and Blues, the 10th president of the United States and the editor in chief of the Daily Planet. Don't believe me about that last one. Well. Well, I'll prove it. When you combine the Name of the 10th President of the United States with the name of the editor in chief of the Daily Planet, it reveals a third name. The name of an actor, writer, director who likes to put his name on things. Can you tell me who he is? If you can't stay tuned, I'll just tell you who it is. Anyway, this is Clueless.

[Natasha Leggero]

Clueless. Clueless.

[Bot]

I'm Clueless.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Welcome to Smartless presents Clueless, the podcast that does for puzzles what other podcasts do for whatever it is they're about. I'm your host, Elliot Kaelin. My dentist actually told me to floss less. Now please join me in welcoming today's guests. Two legendary comedians who combine to make one legendary family. It's a podcast crossover because they have their own podcast. And I want to tell you all about it. They are Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. Thank you so much for joining us today on Clueless.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thanks for having us, Elliot. We love your show.

[Moshe Kasher]

And I'll tell you what our podcast is about. It's about the theme of this month. It's about love. It's called the Endless Honeymoon podcast. And we give love and dating advice and we listen to people's deep, dark secrets. Come on, give it a listen.

[Elliot Kaelin]

That sounds fantastic. Both the promo spot and the show itself. That sounds great. Because if there's anything the world could use right now, it's more love and more deep, dark secrets. Right? The combination of the two. That's right.

[Moshe Kasher]

There's not enough secrets out there.

[Elliot Kaelin]

I think we can all agree that's very true. I would never forgive myself if I didn't ask if you knew the answer to Today's opening question. So here's that question again. The name of which famous person connects the names of the 10th President of the United States to the name of the Daily Planet editor and chief? I'll give you a hint. The president's first name is John.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, that isn't a hint at all.

[Elliot Kaelin]

And the editor in chief's last name is White. So John Blank blank White. There's a name in the middle. It's a real famous person. And it's also the name of that president and that editor in chief, you know, mixed together.

[Natasha Leggero]

So there's a director in Hollywood named John Blank Blank White who likes to put his name on everything.

[Elliot Kaelin]

No, no. Those two blanks. The last name of the president and the first name of the editor in chief of the Daily Planet are the name of that director.

[Moshe Kasher]

Is it Perry White? Am I right about that?

[Elliot Kaelin]

It's Perry White. That's right.

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay, okay. So it's Perry. Somebody's last name is Perry.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Yes.

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay.

[Natasha Leggero]

There wasn't a president Perry.

[Moshe Kasher]

Is it Joe Perry? No. Is it John Joe? John Joe? President John Joe? Yeah, John Joe.

[Elliot Kaelin]

You're thinking of our 11th president. President John Joe.

[Moshe Kasher]

John Joe. And of course, the famous guitarist from Aerosmith, I believe, Joe Perry.

[Natasha Leggero]

Correct.

[Moshe Kasher]

That's the answer.

[Elliot Kaelin]

That is unfortunately not the answer that we're looking for, but you're on.

[Natasha Leggero]

What is it?

[Elliot Kaelin]

Perry's lesson. Would you like me to just tell you?

[Moshe Kasher]

No, hold on. Wait a minute. Hold on.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Give me one more. You'll get this. You'll get this.

[Moshe Kasher]

One second here. Perry.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Is there a famous Perry even have their own studio?

[Moshe Kasher]

Tyler Perry.

[Elliot Kaelin]

You're exactly right. Tyler Perry was John Tyler. President John Tyler and editor in chief, Perry White of the Daily Planet. It shows, I think, where American history education is right now, that I think most of our audience got Perry White, but not John Tyler as the name.

[Natasha Leggero]

I have to say, I went to public school in illinois in the 80s and 90s. Never heard of pretty President Tyler.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Tyler.

[Moshe Kasher]

I have not either.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Well, if you want to know anything about Tyler, he is the president. He's the first time a vice president became president because the president died. He was the vice president to William Henry Harrison, and one William Henry Harrison died.

[Natasha Leggero]

Never heard of that one either. I know George Washington Abraham. Donald Trump. That's about it.

[Elliot Kaelin]

All right, well, you got the important ones. You got the important ones. That's it. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Peloton. The new cross training series balances your workouts with 15 plus workout types for endless Movements on and off your equipment. Stay motivated with weekly personalized plans that guide you from beginner to expert. And push past your goals with routines tailored to you. Get the new cross training series, term supply.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay, I have to tell you, I was just looking on ebay, where I.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Go for all kinds of things I love. And there it was.

[Moshe Kasher]

That hologram trading card.

[Elliot Kaelin]

One of the rarest. The last one I needed for my set. Shiny like the designer handbag of my dreams. One of a kind. Ebay had it.

[Natasha Leggero]

And now everyone's asking, ooh, where'd you.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Get your windshield wipers?

[Moshe Kasher]

Ebay has all the parts that fit my car. No more annoying, just beautiful.

[Natasha Leggero]

Millions of finds, each with a story. EBay Things people love.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Listeners. Did you get the answer? If so, I want to give you a hand. I found it in my attic. Text me your address. I'll mail it to you. And while you're waiting for it, let's. I know that's a pretty gruesome one. Let's play while we're. While you're waiting for it, let's play our main game, Odd Throuple. Now, you take two famous people and you add up food. Now you say it all together and it sounds absurd. That's Odd Throubles. I want to just say I like.

[Natasha Leggero]

The new wave vibe.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Oh, yeah, it's great. Producer Devin does all the music, and it all sounds amazing. I want to reassure our audience I did not really find a hand in my attic. I don't go up there. I don't know what's up there. I'll never find out. This week's Odd Throuple is a very special Odd Throuple. Every answer will involve combining the name of a celebrity and the name of a figure from American history to reveal the name of a different figure from American history. So this is when that public school history education is really gonna. Really gonna come into play. That's why we're calling it Odd Throuple. All Mostly history edition. And you'll remember, in this one, you take the name of one person, take their last name and the first name of another. Combine it just like we did in our opening question. Moshe, Natasha, are you ready to take a trip through pop culture and regular culture history?

[Natasha Leggero]

We are ready. I was speaking French, but we are also ready.

[Elliot Kaelin]

But it turned from an example of how many languages you can speak to an example of the teamwork between the two of you. And I really loved that. Thanks.

[Natasha Leggero]

I can say yes in two languages.

[Moshe Kasher]

Rockford, Illinois, Public Schools.

[Elliot Kaelin]

That's all Troubles. Question number one. Culture Club singer boy plus Legend of Sleepy Hollow, author Irving.

[Natasha Leggero]

George. Legend of Sleepy Hollow Irving. I only know John Irving and he didn't write. Oh, but maybe he did write that.

[Elliot Kaelin]

No, no, that's a. That's a much. That's a much later Irving.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, okay, wait.

[Moshe Kasher]

I do not know the name of the guy that wrote Sleepy Hollow.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Then can you.

[Moshe Kasher]

I know, I know.

[Natasha Leggero]

You know.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yes, it's. It's George Ichabod. George Ichabod. So close.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Well, how about this? Can you name an American George Headless. Can you name an American history figure whose first name is George Washington? Yes. George Washington Washington Irving. Yes.

[Natasha Leggero]

Washington Washington Irving.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Yes. The answer is George Washington. It was Boy George and Washington Irving.

[Moshe Kasher]

To clarify, it's not George Ichabod. That's not the correct answer.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Unfortunately not. George Ichabod. No. Or George Headless.

[Moshe Kasher]

I'm glad I was on something.

[Elliot Kaelin]

You know the story of the legend Sleepy Hollow, though, which is great. Washington Irving's work lives on even if his name is not. Not on the lips of Americans anymore. Question number two. Wendy's restaurant founder Dave combined with Confederate President Davis.

[Moshe Kasher]

I know this one.

[Natasha Leggero]

Is it Jefferson Davis?

[Moshe Kasher]

It's. Yes, it's Jefferson Davis and Dave.

[Natasha Leggero]

And then Dave Smith or something.

[Moshe Kasher]

Dave Smith. No, Dave Thomas Thomas Jefferson.

[Elliot Kaelin]

That's right. Thomas Jefferson from Dave. Thomas and Jefferson Davis. One of those two people, an amazing advocate for adoption in the adoptive services. The other one, a traitor. You guess which one. You decide. You can tell me which one. Question number three. Oscar winning actor F. Murray meets former Rhode island senator Chaffee.

[Natasha Leggero]

I know Abraham, but I don't know the Chaffee one.

[Moshe Kasher]

Just think of the most famous Abraham you know, that is not in the Bible. Abraham Lincoln.

[Elliot Kaelin]

That's right. Abraham Lincoln. It was F. Murray. Abraham and Senator Lincoln Chafee. Very good.

[Moshe Kasher]

It also seems like a pretty negative way to describe Abraham Lincoln's skin.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Chaffee.

[Moshe Kasher]

I don't know Abraham Chaffee. He chafee.

[Elliot Kaelin]

No, but you gotta imagine all those days spent out in the sun splitting rails. He's. You know, he's gonna. He's gonna chafe. It's gonna happen. Yeah.

[Moshe Kasher]

He Chafey the man Chaffee. What are you gonna do? That man Chaffey?

[Elliot Kaelin]

What I like is you're doing now it's like you're hosting the White House Correspondent's dinner, but in 1862. Question number four. Moving on. Jason, who portrayed George on Seinfeld. Plus former U.S. secretary of State Fish. The last name of the U.S. secretary say was Fish.

[Natasha Leggero]

Alexander. Maxine. No. Oh, Fish.

[Moshe Kasher]

There was a Secretary of State.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Fish. His last name was Fish. Yes, Fish. And his first name was the last name of another American historical figure.

[Moshe Kasher]

Alexander Gold.

[Natasha Leggero]

What is this? Love it or leave it. This is very political.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Can you think?

[Natasha Leggero]

No. Senators. So can you think from the 80s?

[Elliot Kaelin]

Well, this was a Secretary of State from a long, long time.

[Moshe Kasher]

You think we know the difference between a Secretary of State and a senator? What are we, geniuses?

[Elliot Kaelin]

Good point. Can you think of it? So you know, you know who, you know who played George on Seinfeld? Of course.

[Natasha Leggero]

Jason Alexander, a huge fan.

[Elliot Kaelin]

So who's an. So he's amazing. So who's the historical figure whose first name is Alexander Hamilton. Exactly right. Alexander Hamilton. Jason Alexander.

[Natasha Leggero]

Not giving away my shot.

[Moshe Kasher]

You almost did give away your shot.

[Natasha Leggero]

Honestly, you know, I'm just like my country. I'm young, scrappy and hungry. And I'm not giving away.

[Elliot Kaelin]

No.

[Moshe Kasher]

I'm sorry.

[Natasha Leggero]

I got a ride.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Stop.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh my God.

[Natasha Leggero]

I can't listen. Motion I together.

[Moshe Kasher]

I can't even my wife have a white woman singing the lyrics to Hamilton is just a Bridge.

[Natasha Leggero]

Here's what happened. Moshe and I used to together hate Hamilton. But then I had a seven year.

[Moshe Kasher]

Old and you had a seven year old. It was a medical miracle.

[Natasha Leggero]

Then I realized she loved Taylor Swift. And then I started to put together that all my friends, who I also don't like, Tyler Sweat, all my friends.

[Moshe Kasher]

Hottest of takes over here, who like.

[Natasha Leggero]

Taylor Swift love Hamilton. Something about the like verbose verboseness. Can you say verbose off? Anyway, the verboseness of the density of the lyrics. I was like, let me try this out for my daughter. She freaking loved it.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Love it.

[Natasha Leggero]

So now we listen to Hamilton because it is kind of educational. All the reasons I didn't like it as a theater goer ten years ago, as a mother of a seven year old, Swifty, I'm into it.

[Elliot Kaelin]

It's interesting the. My kids also went through a phase where they really loved Hamilton and I tried to transfer them from that to Sweeney Todd. One of my favorites is Stephen Sondheim's it did not. It didn't take. They were not. It was not.

[Natasha Leggero]

You know what we did? We started with Sweeney Todd.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Oh, what a good idea.

[Natasha Leggero]

Age 5.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Bring us back our last question. The answer was Alexander Hamilton from Jason Alexander and Hamilton Fish was the name of the Secretary of State of the United States. Finally we have one more question left in this game. So it's really good that we got back to the game so we can finish it up. And the clue is H. John, who voices Bob on Bob's burgers. Plus the second Roosevelt to be a U.S. president.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, Benjamin Franklin.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Yep. Benjamin Franklin.

[Moshe Kasher]

Benjamin Franklin.

[Elliot Kaelin]

H. John. Benjamin Love.

[Natasha Leggero]

H. John. Benjamin. He is so frickin funny. I didn't even know that was his. That he's the star. I just have a fan of his comedy and I got. I guess he's really successful.

[Elliot Kaelin]

He's only been doing it for about 13 years, so I just know him.

[Natasha Leggero]

Separately and I'm a big fan.

[Moshe Kasher]

And I got to say, I love Benjamin Franklin. A real. Me too.

[Natasha Leggero]

I read his. His book, like all of his little. All of his little tips on life. I mean, that guy invented the post office, street cleaning, neighborhoods, fire and like the fire station.

[Moshe Kasher]

I love taking time off from a revolution to go in Paris. That's my kind of stuff.

[Elliot Kaelin]

He was shoring up French support for the American effort by whining and dining.

[Moshe Kasher]

One woman at a time.

[Elliot Kaelin]

You did great. You got all the questions right. I have a bonus question for you. In addition to all being dead and dead for some time, the people who were mentioned, the answers above all have something in common. Let me remind you who those people were. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Alexander Hamilton and Benjamin Franklin. What do they all have in common? Yes, what is it?

[Natasha Leggero]

They're all men. Men with ponytails.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Only some of them had ponytails.

[Natasha Leggero]

They all did. Abraham Lincoln. I bet he could. No, he didn't.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, I think they all grappled with their own hypocrisy about the institution of slavery.

[Elliot Kaelin]

I mean, except for Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, well. And no except. Well.

[Moshe Kasher]

But even he did a little bit.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Well, a little bit. I mean, the. I would say it's a. I would say it's a less ideological reason than that and a more everyday reason. What is the thing that.

[Moshe Kasher]

What do they all have in common?

[Elliot Kaelin]

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait, weren't they all presidents? Except Alexander Hamilton was Alexander Hamilton.

[Moshe Kasher]

Franklin was not the president.

[Natasha Leggero]

I've only got the song 27 on Hamilton.

[Moshe Kasher]

I know what it is and it's what my mind is on all the time because of west coast gangster rap. Money. They're on that. They're on money.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Exactly. All of them are on washing down the number one bill. Jefferson on the 2, Lincoln on the 5, Hamilton on the 10, Franklin on the hundred. And the less said about the 20, the better. This episode is brought to you by Peloton. The new cross training series balances your workouts with 15 plus workout types for endless movements on and off your equipment. Stay motivated with weekly personalized plans that guide you from beginner to expert and push past your goals with routines tailored to you. Get the new cross training series terms apply. Listeners, did you do as well as Natasha and Moshe? And if not, you're probably not drinking enough water. Go have a drink of water because I think the problem is the water thing. And while you're hydrating, why not? Let's just start up today's main game. It's called botbops. Botbops.

[Bot]

I am the bot and these are my bops.

[Elliot Kaelin]

She's the bot. These are her bops. And this is BotBops. The game where we take some of pop music's most beloved hits and remove everything that makes them recognizable as music per se. Our in house bot is going to recite the lyrics to some popular songs in its cold, inhuman voice. Your job is to identify the song and the artist. No knowledge of American history needed at all for this game, just a knowledge of popular songs. I'd like you to name both the artist and the song. Are you ready? Yo. Okay, Bot, please give us your first bop.

[Bot]

When the night falls down I wait for you and you come around and the world's alive with the sound of kids on the street outside when you walk into the room you pull me close and we start to move and we're spinning with the stars above and you lift me up in a wave of love. Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? Ooh, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blank. Okay, they say in blank.

[Moshe Kasher]

Ooh baby, do you know what that's worth?

[Natasha Leggero]

Heaven on earth.

[Moshe Kasher]

What is. Who is that? And what is it.

[Natasha Leggero]

That is. Is a female.

[Moshe Kasher]

It's a female. A female.

[Elliot Kaelin]

It's a part of the day. You're part of the way there.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's not the Bangles. It's not the Go Gos. It's. It's. It's not. Is it not Pat Benatar? It's someone from the 80s.

[Moshe Kasher]

Heaven is a place on earth.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Do you have any idea who it might be?

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, God. Is it? I don't. I think we. We lose.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Let's find out. Bot, what is that bop?

[Bot]

Heaven is a Place on Earth by Belinda Carlisle.

[Natasha Leggero]

I said the Go Go's, though.

[Elliot Kaelin]

You did. You did.

[Moshe Kasher]

Did you get the point?

[Elliot Kaelin]

I'm gonna give you half credit for that. I'm gonna say thank you. So you're gonna get one and a half points for that. You got the song. You got a half point for Belinda Carlisle's band. Bot, Please give us bop number two.

[Bot]

How can I just let you walk away? Walk away without a trace When I stand here taking every breath with you Ooh, you're the only one who really knew me at all so take a look at me now all right.

[Natasha Leggero]

We're just an empty space Take a look at me now it's not Phil Collins. It's just an empty space this is gonna be the way we live. Against All Odds is the name of the song. And then it's like one of those Billy Ocean. No, no, it's a white guy. It's like Peter Gabe. It's like. It's like that kind of, like, genre, but I don't remember exactly. It's like a. A Man.

[Elliot Kaelin]

I'm going to. I'm going to give you a clue. You. You said the name. I just want you to remind me what the name is. Or we can ask the bot.

[Moshe Kasher]

Wait a minute. No, no, no. This isn't how that works. You don't have to. You don't have to say it with conviction. You have to say it.

[Elliot Kaelin]

All right, well, let's say it. Must play this. No, you know what?

[Moshe Kasher]

I've never played this game before, and it is your show, so I don't.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Know if it's working.

[Natasha Leggero]

Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel vibes.

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay, say one of them.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Yeah, choose one.

[Natasha Leggero]

Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Who is it? Is it Phil Collins or Peter Gabriel?

[Bot]

Against All Odds by Phil Collins.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Natasha is. We knew it.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, I. I knew it.

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay, but we're a couple. We're playing together.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, these are old songs, and I'm five years older than Moshe, so I kind of know these.

[Moshe Kasher]

This is definitely not my oeuvre.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay, give us another one.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Maybe the next one will be who knows? Bot. What is the third? Bop.

[Bot]

I, I, I, I, I, I But that's how it goes Millions of people living as foes maybe it's not too late to learn how to love and forget how to hate Mental wounds not healing life's a bitter shame I'm going off the rails on a blanky blank.

[Moshe Kasher]

I'm going off the room Crazy Train Ozzy Osbourne.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Bot. Oh, Wowzy Osborne.

[Bot]

Crazy Train by Ozzy Oz.

[Natasha Leggero]

Great song. I had no clue. But you know what? Huge fan.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Once you know, then I, I, I, I, I. It makes more sense as an opening line. This is. That's. That's a favorite of my kids. That's one that my kids will. Will ask for. By name they'll ask for Crazy Train.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, let's not pretend our kids are cool. It was in Sing. Oh, no. You know what I'm saying? Like, they want the one that's sung by, like, the worst person.

[Moshe Kasher]

By a hippo.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Okay, let's move on to Bop Number four. You guys are doing great. Bot, what is Bop number four?

[Bot]

I look and stare so deep in your eyes. I touch on you more and more every time when you leave I'm begging you not to go. Call your name too. Three times in a row. Such a funny thing for me to try to explain how I'm feeling. And my pride is the one to blame. Cause I know I don't understand Just how your love can do what no one else can. Got me looking so blank right now. Your blanks got me looking so blank right now.

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay. Got me looking crazy crazy right now.

[Natasha Leggero]

Looking so crazy.

[Moshe Kasher]

Beyonce by Beyonce. Yes. Very good. Yes.

[Elliot Kaelin]

So what is your answer?

[Moshe Kasher]

Crazy Beyonce. Crazy Beyonce. Crazy right now.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Beyonce.

[Moshe Kasher]

Crazy Beyonce. Crazy.

[Natasha Leggero]

Crazy by Beyonce Bot.

[Moshe Kasher]

Crazy Beyonce.

[Natasha Leggero]

It might not be called crazy.

[Moshe Kasher]

Have you heard of her? Crazy lady, that's Crazy Beyonce.

[Elliot Kaelin]

We've got two Beyonce's here. There's the famous one, of course. Then there's Crazy Beyonce who lives behind the barn.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, wait, it might have a third title. It might be something.

[Elliot Kaelin]

It's.

[Natasha Leggero]

I don't think it's called Crazy in Love.

[Moshe Kasher]

Beyonce. That's it.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Is that the answer?

[Bot]

Crazy in Love by Beyonce.

[Elliot Kaelin]

That's great. You got it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Good one, Moshe.

[Elliot Kaelin]

And finally, we have one more bop for you. You're doing great, Bot. What is our final bop of the game?

[Bot]

Blank, blank, blank. What you want but don't play games with my affection. Take, take, take what you need. But don't leave me with no direction. All alone I sit home by the phone. Waiting for you, baby. Through the years. How can you stand to hear my pleading for you, dear? You know I'm crying.

[Natasha Leggero]

Ooh, ooh ooh ooh ooh. You know, I. I just know it's a man.

[Moshe Kasher]

I had a feeling this was gonna happen. And I was waiting, and I was like, maybe it won't happen in this game where every lyric would be played. And we'd even get to the part where they're like, this is for the dummies. And I'd still be like, no idea whatsoever. I don't know what that is.

[Elliot Kaelin]

This is a tough one. This is a tough one. Even. Even the bot. As she was going through the lyrics, I felt like you could detect a tension her of like. I don't even remember what song this is. Like, what am I saying? Do you have any.

[Moshe Kasher]

I'm a super intelligence. I don't remember this.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Would you like a clue about it?

[Moshe Kasher]

Okay.

[Elliot Kaelin]

This is a duet between two famous. Or I guess it's a song sung together by. It's not sing it to each other, but between two famous pop stars. Two of the biggest pop stars in the history of pop music. They released a couple of songs together and this is one of them. This is.

[Natasha Leggero]

So wait, is it Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson?

[Elliot Kaelin]

I mean, I'm not. I'm not.

[Moshe Kasher]

Ebony and Ivory is what that would be.

[Natasha Leggero]

That doesn't age well.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Yeah.

[Moshe Kasher]

No. No idea.

[Elliot Kaelin]

No idea. All right, bot, what is that bop.

[Bot]

Say say say by Paul McCartney. That's Michael Jackson.

[Elliot Kaelin]

So you get half.

[Moshe Kasher]

She got it.

[Elliot Kaelin]

So you got half. Correct. Yeah. You get a point for that. You got. Out of the two points you get, you got one point for Paul McCartney. Michael Jackson. That was say, say, say. Because their other hit was what? The girl is Mine, I think.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. Well, I was about to say the girl is mine and then I was going to say, say, say, say. But then those are the only two. But then they didn't. The bot didn't say that. Boy. Those other lyrics are pretty bad.

[Moshe Kasher]

It was pretty good.

[Elliot Kaelin]

The bo.

[Natasha Leggero]

Baptize you in your tears. I don't remember that.

[Bot]

These are my bops.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Uh, so going into the final part of this game, let's see what your points are. 1, 3, 5, 7, 8 and a half out of a possible 10. So you're doing fantastic. That's still in a territory. As you can tell, our bot has a song in her heart, but she also has a mega clue in her pocket. Mega clue. For today's mega clue question, I want you to tell me what theme connects all of the artists from today's game. And to remind you, those artists were Belinda Carlisle, Phil Collins, Ozzy osbourne, Beyonce, Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson. What theme, what linkage, what similarity connects all of those recording artists?

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, they're all 80s icons.

[Moshe Kasher]

Were they all on a song together? Were they all at Farm Aid or.

[Natasha Leggero]

We are the World? But also they probably are all like, oh, Grammy winning. Grammy winning.

[Elliot Kaelin]

That's not the answer. So think about their career. Is it true, though? I mean, I don't know. I have to do that. I don't.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, oh, the recording artists. You're all prominent recording artists.

[Elliot Kaelin]

The theme what connects them is they're all famous recording artists with hit songs. Now, what look at their. In their careers. How did their. What's the shape of their careers like for each of them? Belinda Carlisle, Phil Collins, Ozzy Osbourne, Beyonce.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. We got the Go Gos. We got the Black Sabbath. We got the Beatles. We got the Jackson 5. Yep. We got Phil Collins band, Genesis.

[Moshe Kasher]

We got Genesis. They were all in famous bands and then went solo and were a success.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Exactly. All artists were in successful bands and then went on to have big solo careers. As you mentioned, Belinda Carlisle from the Go Gos, Phil Collins with Genesis, Ozzy Osbourne with Black Sabbath, Beyonce with Destiny's Child, Paul McCartney with the Beatles, and Michael Jackson with the Jackson 5. Or maybe it was the other way around.

[Moshe Kasher]

I love that you stumbled on Paul McCartney with the Beatles. The Beatles. I think it was the Beatles.

[Elliot Kaelin]

I mean, the thing. I mean, with the other bands are huge and the Beatles, it's kind of not. It's just not in your minds anymore.

[Moshe Kasher]

It doesn't flow. It doesn't flow out of the mouth.

[Elliot Kaelin]

It's like when you think of Paul McCartney, you're like, yeah, he was in a band. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah, you think solo artist, famous solo recording artist, Paul McCartney.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, what's crazy is all of those bands were so huge. Like, none of them were from, like, small bands. Like, that's interesting.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yeah. There's got to be somebody out there that was from a. A really crappy band and went on to be one of the great.

[Elliot Kaelin]

I would say so. Billy Joel was, of course, a member of the metal band Attila before he became a solo artist.

[Moshe Kasher]

Oh, metal.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Yeah. I think they released one album together. Yeah, amazing.

[Moshe Kasher]

I want to hear that.

[Elliot Kaelin]

It's probably available somewhere. Listeners, did you get the answer? If not, don't worry, you're in good company. Mozart never got the answer to that question either. He never even heard the question. So you're one up on him. Well, this game has been a blast, but I hate to say it, I just reached the front of the line at the Popeyes Drive Thru, so I don't have to kill any more time before I make my order. I'd like to thank my guests, Moshe Kasher, Natasha Leggero. Please remind our listeners about your podcast that they can go listen to right now.

[Moshe Kasher]

Tune into the Endless Honeymoon podcast. We don't play games, but we do solve problems and mend hearts.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes, listen to our podcast. You can hear us. You can help crowdsource. Who's right, me or Mosho? You know, we take a lot of our own issues to the mic.

[Moshe Kasher]

Yep. We'll probably talk about this podcast on that podcast and some of our lasting resentment about what happened here. If you also, if you have a deep, dark secret you'd like to leave on our secrets hotline. By the way, you don't even have to be a listener. If you got something you want to get off your chest and have us play it online and no one will never know it's you, leave it on our voicemail. 213-222-8608.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Sounds exciting. I can't wait to call and leave my secrets behind.

[Moshe Kasher]

Thank you so much, Endless Honeymoon.

[Elliot Kaelin]

Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you so much, Natasha, for making this episode worth remembering forever. I want to thank you, a listener, for remembering this episode forever because it's worth it. Join us again next week for another episode of Smartless presents Clueless. When we'll have new puzzles, new games, same old host Ellie Kaelin. My apologies for that. Better luck next time maybe. Clueless. You have been listening to Smartless presents Clueless, a Smartless Media production in association with SiriusXM. Your host is Elliot Kaelin, who also writes our scripts. Today's guests were Moshe Kasher and Natasha Leggero. Check out their show the Endless Hunter anywhere you get your podcasts. Your producer, editor and engineer is Devin Tory Bryant, who is me. I also write all the music and sound effects. Today's puzzles were written by Brock Mahan and Jason Reach. Talent producer is Anne Harris. Associate Producer Matty McCann, Social Media Producer, Tommy Galgano. Executive producers are Elliot Kaelin, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett and Jason Bateman. Executive producers for Smartless Media are Richard Corson and Bernie Kaminski. Remember to follow, subscribe, rate and review the show. It really helps. That's all for now. We will see you again for more. Smart glass Medium.

[Natasha Leggero]

Hey girl, what's happen? Is that your antiperspirant? Uh, yeah. Let me see that can.

[Bot]

Aluminum butane.

[Natasha Leggero]

I cannot pronounce that. You have to switch to native deodorant. Native's simple formula has only clean ingredients.

[Elliot Kaelin]

It gives you effective 72 hour odor.

[Natasha Leggero]

Protection with no hydrocarbon propellant. Wow, this smells heavenly clean. Effective 72 hour odor protection isn't a myth, it's native.