"Anthony Mackie"

Summary

SmartLess Podcast Episode Summary: "Anthony Mackie" Release Date: July 21, 2025

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Introduction to Anthony Mackie In this episode of "SmartLess," hosts Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett welcome acclaimed actor Anthony Mackie as their mystery guest. The conversation unfolds organically, blending humor with insightful discussions about Mackie's illustrious career, personal experiences, and perspectives on the entertainment industry.

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Anthony Mackie's Journey in Acting Anthony Mackie delves into his early days in New Orleans, highlighting the challenges and inspirations that shaped his path to becoming a renowned actor.

“I went to boarding school in North Carolina at the North Carolina School of the Arts. Every day was like summer camp, surrounded by people I identified with and loved being around.” (07:10)

Mackie shares anecdotes from his time at Juilliard, emphasizing the importance of perseverance and passion in the competitive world of acting.

“When we performed 'Up Against the Wind,' a play about Tupac, it caught the attention of Jim Nicola from the New York Theater Workshop. That was a pivotal moment for me.” (29:07)

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Breaking into Hollywood and Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) The discussion transitions to Mackie's entry into mainstream cinema, notably his role in the MCU as Sam Wilson/Falcon, eventually taking on the mantle of Captain America.

“Joining the MCU was like a dream come true. I had always admired Black Panther and wanted to play a significant role in representing Black culture in cinema.” (48:00)

Mackie recounts the spontaneity of being cast without a script, detailing the initial uncertainty and eventual excitement about his character's evolution.

“When the Russo brothers called, it was unexpected. I didn't know my character's name or background at first, but their vision resonated with me, and I felt compelled to be part of it.” (47:54)

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Balancing Multiple Projects Anthony discusses managing his extensive workload, balancing roles in films, television series like "Twisted Metal" on Peacock, and upcoming projects with Apple.

“It's hectic but fulfilling. With multiple projects lined up, each role allows me to explore different facets of storytelling and character development.” (58:25)

He humorously touches upon the challenges of promotional work, especially when juggling numerous film releases simultaneously.

“There was a year when I had eight movies in theaters at the same time. The promotional work was intense, but seeing the diverse characters reach audiences made it worthwhile.” (65:35)

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Personal Life and Family Mackie opens up about his personal life, particularly the importance of his family amidst his demanding career.

“Being away for months at a time means that my free moments are precious. My four sons are my joy, and every moment I have is dedicated to them.” (60:03)

He reflects on the challenges of maintaining relationships while constantly traveling for work.

“When you're gone for several months, it requires immense effort to keep personal relationships thriving. My kids visit during breaks, and we cherish those times together.” (61:00)

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Insights on the Acting Industry The conversation shifts to Mackie's views on the current state of the acting industry, particularly his observations on human behavior and relationships.

“As an actor, I find myself constantly analyzing people's behavior. However, in today's world, many are so entangled in their insecurities that they become defensive when asked about their actions or thoughts.” (38:16)

He emphasizes the importance of understanding and communication in building meaningful relationships, both personally and professionally.

“Understanding where someone is coming from can vastly improve any relationship. It's about asking the right questions and genuinely trying to comprehend their perspective.” (38:26)

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Future Projects and Aspirations Anthony shares glimpses of his upcoming ventures, expressing enthusiasm for future roles and collaborations.

“I'm excited about Season 2 of 'Twisted Metal' and the upcoming series with Apple. Each project is an opportunity to push boundaries and tell compelling stories.” (58:13)

He hints at exploring more diverse roles and continuing his commitment to impactful storytelling within and beyond the MCU.

“The MCU opened doors, but I aim to take on roles that challenge me and allow me to contribute to stories that matter.” (52:12)

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Closing Remarks The episode wraps up with playful banter among the hosts and Anthony, underscoring the camaraderie and mutual respect shared by all participants. They express their admiration for Mackie's work and look forward to his future projects.

“Anthony, keep it coming. We love having you on the show and can't wait to see what you do next.” (63:39)

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Notable Quotes:

• “Being in London. Thank you. That's where I met. Thanks, everybody.” – Jason Bateman (03:07)
• “It's no Istanbul, but it'll do.” – Jason Bateman (04:22)
• “You have to look within, man.” – Will Arnett (07:32)
• “I'm a very, very home-stricken dude.” – Sean Hayes (16:45)

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Conclusion This episode of "SmartLess" offers listeners an intimate look into Anthony Mackie's life and career, enriched by humorous exchanges and thoughtful discussions. Mackie's candid reflections on his journey, coupled with the hosts' engaging dialogue, make for a compelling and enjoyable listen, even for those who haven't tuned in.

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Transcript

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[Will Arnett]

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[Sean Hayes]

Smart Bias, Smart Lawless.

[Will Arnett]

Smart.

[Sean Hayes]

Less.

[Jason Bateman]

You know what, though? Being in London. Thank you. That's where I met. Thanks, everybody.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, Sean's got material.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I don't.

[Anthony Mackie]

So, listener, let's catch you up. Sean is in London doing another run of Good Night, Oscar. What a production.

[Will Arnett]

Thank you for bringing it back.

[Anthony Mackie]

Thank you for Europe. This is much more convenient for me and my travels.

[Will Arnett]

Good night, London.

[Jason Bateman]

Good night, London. No, the.

[Will Arnett]

Buenos Air. No, the.

[Jason Bateman]

The. By the way, I'm looking at my window at Westminster Abbey. Can you believe that? Isn't that.

[Will Arnett]

Are you.

[Anthony Mackie]

Really got yourself a nice place there, huh? Am I going to. Wait, am I. Oh, yeah. Can you show me my room, listener? I'm about to live with Sean.

[Will Arnett]

You're gonna go stay with those guys, huh?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah. Remember how you used to do that when you would travel with Sean and go to all these wonderful places around the planet? Well, I get to do one now.

[Will Arnett]

You know what?

[Anthony Mackie]

It's so funny.

[Will Arnett]

When I heard that, I actually thought about your. Your sort of crappy little voice being sad about that. And then how that you were gonna be excited that you were going to stay with Sean.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I love it.

[Anthony Mackie]

It's no Istanbul, but it'll do.

[Jason Bateman]

No, it's better.

[Will Arnett]

Or Venice. Or Venice.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, that's a tight. That's a tight second. Both of them.

[Anthony Mackie]

But, Seanie, it's going well so far. Are you remembering to look right when you step off the curb?

[Jason Bateman]

Isn't that wild? I really am trying to get. And by the way, you know the other thing? When you're walking on a sidewalk, I have to go to the left.

[Anthony Mackie]

No, you don't. What are you talking about?

[Jason Bateman]

You're going to pass somebody. Yeah, because they're hoping you do that.

[Anthony Mackie]

Are they?

[Jason Bateman]

I'm telling you.

[Anthony Mackie]

No.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I'm telling you. Because I lean to the right, and they're like. And then they lean to the right, and then I lean to the right. They keep going to the right.

[Anthony Mackie]

You've been leaning right for years, though. I think you and Will are going to jump parties on me soon.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, but you know that, like, you walk around London and you're like, wow, I get why J.K. rowling wrote Harry Potter. Like, it's so. It's so magical. Like, it's incredible here.

[Anthony Mackie]

I know. I do love that place.

[Jason Bateman]

It's incredible. And people that live here that I talk to, they're like, just kidding.

[Will Arnett]

Rolling.

[Jason Bateman]

What's that?

[Will Arnett]

Just kidding. Rolling. Is that what it is?

[Jason Bateman]

Just kidding. Rolling.

[Anthony Mackie]

J.K. will, you've been to. You've been to England. Right. Do you like Europe? Do you like England? London in particular. Here he comes.

[Will Arnett]

Don't try to bait me. Don't try to. It was a classic bait man. Don't try to do it. I'm not gonna do it.

[Jason Bateman]

Willie. Why don't you come out? Why don't you come out?

[Will Arnett]

Why don't you just.

[Anthony Mackie]

Just move there? I don't know why you got yourself.

[Will Arnett]

I am gonna come out, Sean. I made a plan this morning. We're gonna come see your play in August. I'm not gonna. We're gonna go over the dates. I'm coming. Bradley and I are coming. And Chappie. Nice.

[Jason Bateman]

No way. That's so nice. What you're. By the way, you can.

[Anthony Mackie]

You guys doing some re. Shoots?

[Jason Bateman]

Tons. We're doing reshoots. Yeah, We're. Do we have tons of room. Will, you can stay with us if you want.

[Will Arnett]

Fantastic.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. It's unbelievably beautiful.

[Anthony Mackie]

Well, that. That. That I'm very excited for. But I hear you got there and it was in kind of shabby shape. You had to bring in a deep, clean company.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. When we got to this place that we got. No, no, no, no. Not deep clean, but, you know, it has an elevator because it's an old townhouse.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, boy.

[Jason Bateman]

And of course, the elevator broke down.

[Anthony Mackie]

No. While you were in it again.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I wasn't in it this time. But I keep a bottle of Valium in it.

[Will Arnett]

You know what? Can I just say something?

[Anthony Mackie]

It might be user error at this point. Can I just say this is user error? I think it's your fault or Scotty's fault.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, sure.

[Will Arnett]

This is important to say at this juncture, which is because we just. In the times we live in. And I think that for you to be able to speak so openly and so bravely and so relatably about the shabby shape of the elevator in your townhouse in London.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah. This is the second dwelling you've been in with an elevator. I've never been in a place with an elevator.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, but this. Yeah, I'm renting. I don't own it, but it's really beautiful. But it's. You know, So I keep a bottle of Valium in the corner in case it goes. But I did my exposure.

[Anthony Mackie]

You don't need a full bottle. Why don't you just keep one in your pocket?

[Jason Bateman]

Well, no.

[Will Arnett]

No bottle of Valium in the elevator.

[Jason Bateman]

In the elevator. In case it shuts down and I have to wait for the repair guy and I don't go crazy. So I'm just. I need. You know, why don't you just put.

[Anthony Mackie]

A gun in there? Put a gun in there and then just put it deep into your fucking body.

[Will Arnett]

Wait a second. First of all, your fucking therapist needs to be arrested because this is. This is. That's absurd.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I'm telling you because if it. If something goes wrong and you're stuck in there for an hour while the gu. I don't want to go crazy. I just want to, like, chill out.

[Anthony Mackie]

Well, that ship has passed.

[Will Arnett]

Well, why don't you look within, man?

[Jason Bateman]

I did. So I did exposure therapy, and it's kind of working.

[Will Arnett]

What, you just get on the tube and just flash your jacket open?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, it's really working.

[Anthony Mackie]

What does that mean? Exposure therapy?

[Jason Bateman]

So. So it's really fascinating. You, like, you know, you sit there with your palms up and your eyes closed. You have to repeat over and over a million times. You have to go, I'm walking down the hall. I see. I SM elevator. And I step inside. I'm walking down the hall. I see a small elevator. I step inside. And you say that over and over and over again, like, you know, for like, 20 minutes. And your therapist will check in every two minutes and say, where's your anxiety level? And it goes from 10 to 8 to 7, you know, to 3 to 2 to 1, until you become bored with it. Then you move on to, I'm walking down the hall. I step into an elevator, and then the doors close. I'm walking down the hall. I step in the elevator, and the doors close. And you try to feel what that feels like over and over again, and it fucking works.

[Anthony Mackie]

And what are they charging you an hour for this? I don't remember, because I used to do this in elementary school when I would screw up, they'd make me write stuff on a chalkboard over and over and over, like Homer Simpson. Yeah, it's called sentences or whatever.

[Will Arnett]

Hey, you know what? You know what else works, Sean, is nutting up.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah, it's just called developing the backbone and the thicker skin and just getting older, you know?

[Will Arnett]

I mean, you've been through a lot in your life, and you are tough. I. I mean it. Like, you know how to deal with a lot of stuff, and you get.

[Jason Bateman]

Your head on your shoulders, like, yeah, but it's claustrophobia. I. If you got stuck in that elevator that I had stuck in, you would. You would have gone bananas.

[Anthony Mackie]

Will, what's your plan today, Will? What's your planet out there in the Hamptons.

[Will Arnett]

My plan is pretty. It's a little overcast and rainy. I was already. I was up super early going over stuff with, with our friend BC and.

[Anthony Mackie]

Going over stuff?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, the edit. He's working on the edit. Right. How's stuff looking?

[Will Arnett]

It's looking pretty good. So we're doing that this morning early. I was up, like five because he's in Europe. And then.

[Jason Bateman]

Aren't you close to getting a cut that you like?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it's a work in progress. He's, you know, working away.

[Anthony Mackie]

Has he shown you his director's cut yet?

[Will Arnett]

There is no. There's no director's cut yet.

[Anthony Mackie]

No.

[Will Arnett]

No.

[Anthony Mackie]

Okay.

[Will Arnett]

But. And then, you know, did my usual.

[Anthony Mackie]

Are you happy with your performance that you've seen?

[Jason Bateman]

I am, yeah. I mean, I don't know.

[Will Arnett]

It's.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I'm happy with watching his performance. It's pretty cool.

[Anthony Mackie]

But I mean, it's, it's something like you're starting to see yourself and in its context, with the one scene stuck next to another scene. Another scene, like, it's, that's, like, it's a scary thing. Like, how's. It's starting to feel good.

[Will Arnett]

I, I, I think, I think that we have a movie. I'll say that, like, and, and you've been doing it lot longer than I have, jb. You know how it is. And so you never know until you know.

[Anthony Mackie]

Right.

[Will Arnett]

And so I'm just kind of leaving it out there in soft.

[Anthony Mackie]

Are you allowing it to become something different than what you had imagined it was going to be? Yeah, inevitably. It is.

[Will Arnett]

It always, as, you know, it always. I'm excited for you to see it, for both of you to see it. Sean's in it as well. And Sean's, Sean's great.

[Anthony Mackie]

We still in it, you're saying? Still in it?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, as of this morning.

[Anthony Mackie]

Okay.

[Will Arnett]

And I, but I'm excited for you guys to, to get your thought.

[Jason Bateman]

I can't wait to hear your thoughts on stuff too.

[Will Arnett]

So, so that, that'll, that'll be forthcoming.

[Jason Bateman]

But what else Are you excited about our guest today?

[Will Arnett]

Well, I'm excited about. I know I was about to. I was just answering the question. Sean, are you in a rush?

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah. He's got a, he's got a, A dinner.

[Will Arnett]

Are you, I'm sorry, are your knickers in a twist?

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah. Are you keeping the palace waiting, by the way?

[Will Arnett]

We're so lucky. We're so lucky because now we do get, we get to get to our guest, which is going to be just. He's a. He's a pallet cleanser in every way, this guy is. So he's done everything. And he's one of those guys who classically trained, Juilliard trained. And then. So he's done everything from Broadway to, like, indies to, like, you know, cool plays to the biggest of. Biggest of. Biggest of hits. He's like just a bonafide movie star. I've had the pleasure of getting to know him a little bit over the last couple years because we've worked together on a project together, me in a producing role, but him as the star of. He's incredible. You guys know him from all his performances. The second I start to name it, Sean's gonna go, I know who it is. He's been in a gazillion Marvel movies. And within the Marvel verse, he then graduated and became a sort of a different character altogether. You know him as Captain America. I know him as Anthony Mackie.

[Anthony Mackie]

Mackie. Mackie. Good morning.

[Sean Hayes]

Thank you. I have so much to say about those first 10 minutes.

[Will Arnett]

Okay.

[Sean Hayes]

I wanted to see which one of y' all was going to talk about who had the most Teslas in their driveway.

[Will Arnett]

That'd be Jason.

[Anthony Mackie]

That'd be Jason. I bounded one over. I was trying to get it away from my wife, but she.

[Will Arnett]

By the way, you should know that Jason's glass house is. Is so. The glass is so fragile up. He's in his guest house overlooking his screen house, overlooking his main house right now. Anyway, Anthony Mackie. Dude, thank you. Thank you for being here. Welcome to Smart List. It's so great.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, so nice to meet you.

[Sean Hayes]

No, thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it. It's. It's been a long time coming.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, it's been a long time coming.

[Anthony Mackie]

Where. Where do we find you? Are you at home?

[Sean Hayes]

No, I'm in Budapest right now. And I'll tell you what a black man in Budapest for the summer is. I mean, God damn, It's like I found. I found my people. I don't know. I don't know. It's like they shot me out of a rocket and landed me. Like, I did something right in my life. You know what I mean? They're like, you get to go to Budapest for the summer.

[Anthony Mackie]

Really?

[Jason Bateman]

What do you mean? What do you mean? They just love you there. Well, everybody loves you everywhere.

[Sean Hayes]

No, it's different here. Like, everybody's nice. Like, the food is good. The city's beautiful and historic. You know, there's a dirty river, like, just everything you want. You know, every day is sunny. The Budapestians are fucking great people. I love it.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I love it.

[Anthony Mackie]

And there's a lot of stuff that's shooting there lately, huh? Like, what are you doing there? Can you say?

[Sean Hayes]

I'm doing a show for Apple so nobody will see it. Called 1212.

[Anthony Mackie]

1212. Gotcha.

[Jason Bateman]

Apple biz. Apple's huge. People will see it.

[Will Arnett]

Come on.

[Anthony Mackie]

Formula One. Like, it's this F.1 thing. It's making a lot of money.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apple's great. I'm excited. It's my first time. Well, my second time on Apple. Cause I did the first movie on Apple, actually, the Banker. And this is my first time back, so. They've been great, man. It's been wonderful. You know, they gave me the opportunity to come to Budapest for the summer.

[Jason Bateman]

Amazing.

[Anthony Mackie]

And so how is it? Is it a bunch of episodes? So you're there for a while.

[Sean Hayes]

It's eight episodes. It's me and Jack, Jamie Dornan. So they're. This is our second time working together. I'm like, you know, it's weird. And Kari, who directed Falcon Winter Soldier, is directing it.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, cool.

[Sean Hayes]

So it's a pretty good. It's a pretty. Pretty good group. Great scripts, like, great stories. You know, it's just. It's a good time. And it's. It's in Budapest.

[Anthony Mackie]

It sounds like it's big. It sounds like it's. There's a lot of. A lot of action.

[Sean Hayes]

You know who you're talking to.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Okay. You're not dealing with.

[Sean Hayes]

I mean, it's huge, buddy. We're doing well here. Yeah.

[Anthony Mackie]

No, I mean, it's action and it's stunts and it's. It's. It's a muscular project. Yes.

[Sean Hayes]

It's a lot of testosterone. Some might call it toxic, but I don't get ballsy.

[Anthony Mackie]

Ballsy. So how long are you there? If you're doing eight episodes, you're there for five months.

[Sean Hayes]

Five months between here and London. And it is like London. When I come to London in two weeks, I'm coming to see your show, too. Yeah, yeah, I'll be there. I'll be there. Should I wear, like, my, like, Liza Minnelli shit? Like.

[Jason Bateman]

Sure, yeah. Because I'm gay. Yeah, for sure.

[Anthony Mackie]

Stuff works, too.

[Jason Bateman]

We're not going to be open in two weeks. You come back in July.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. Two weeks is in July.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, well, at the end of July. July 31st. August.

[Anthony Mackie]

So you go back and forth. You guys shoot stuff in England you shoot stuff in Hungary, Back and forth.

[Sean Hayes]

No, I'm shooting Avengers in England and I'm shooting this in Hungary.

[Anthony Mackie]

Okay, gotcha.

[Will Arnett]

Wait a second. So you're going back and forth to London, you're doing av? Sean, hold your questions. Sean is a massive, massive Avengers marvel. And you're working with. You have the misfortune of working with Downey, I'm sure over there with Robert. What a dream.

[Sean Hayes]

Hey, he serves up a great lunch, man. I mean everybody's healthy, you know, it's really good. We drink his body bottled chill brew. It's a good time. It's a good time. It's a good time.

[Anthony Mackie]

So Anthony, what with all this time away from home, what's the main thing you find yourself missing? I ask because it's on my mind. I just had my daughter call me from. She's on a trip to actually also to Europe on some sort of camp thing and she's feeling really homesick, but. So what are you missing most about home right now?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I hate to say this because it fits in yalls conversation earlier, but I miss my cars, man.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah, you do.

[Will Arnett]

I miss driving.

[Anthony Mackie]

When I'm away from home, I just want to.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm a very, very like home strucken dude. So literally I'll go after going to the gym, I'll get a po boy and a ice cold beer, sit in the garage and work on my cars all day.

[Anthony Mackie]

Wait, so after the gym you find a real fatty carbohydrate ridden snack and some puffy making beer.

[Will Arnett]

Sorry, Jason's one of those guys who doesn't eat pizza by the way.

[Anthony Mackie]

But I came out with a big fat face. I gotta like spend every minute of every day.

[Sean Hayes]

That's the whole point of going to the gym, man. You go to the gym and you're like. Then you go get a po boy.

[Anthony Mackie]

Exactly. I exercise so that I can be a little bit bad. I don't exercise.

[Sean Hayes]

You look great, man.

[Anthony Mackie]

You look like I love you.

[Sean Hayes]

You look like you have one of those pelotons. You know what, you look like you do Pilates is what it is.

[Anthony Mackie]

How dare you. So you miss driving, you miss your cars? Where's home? Louisiana.

[Will Arnett]

You do have like a Pilates. Not your body, but your temperament and like the way that you are in the world. You seem like person.

[Anthony Mackie]

I tell you what I'm. I am hearing that that's what I need to make a friend of is Pilates.

[Jason Bateman]

Pilates, yeah. It's good stretching.

[Anthony Mackie]

So it's got all the stretching of yoga but it's got some. Some core strengthening, like, muscle building stuff.

[Sean Hayes]

Anyway, I heard it gives you outstanding sexual stamina.

[Will Arnett]

Wait, what he doesn't need.

[Sean Hayes]

That's what I heard, dude. I heard a friend of mine started.

[Anthony Mackie]

Doing a little bump in that as well. Thank you. Just maybe another 20, 30 seconds would be incredible.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, Anthony, speaking of relationships, I love this segment.

[Anthony Mackie]

I'm just waiting for you to get your first fucking question. I'm like, all my clothes are off. Go ahead.

[Will Arnett]

Wait. I love it. I love it, jb. I'm telling you, I love it. I'm having fun. It's fun.

[Anthony Mackie]

Do you notice that Sean, he brings on a guest and he just sits back. He, like, basically introduces them, and then he's like, okay, not at all.

[Will Arnett]

We were having. We're having a conversation. We're having a conversation. And you were covered.

[Sean Hayes]

A lot of this is going really well.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, this is going very well. How dare you? Oh, sorry. Okay. Anthony, Just to make Sean, just to make JB feel better, Anthony, how'd you get your start in show business?

[Jason Bateman]

Which I really do want to do, by the way.

[Will Arnett]

Jb, you will be. You will be jealous. Let's talk a little bit for a second. Because I, I. And Anthony, I've asked you about this in person, too. Like, I. You went to Juilliard, which is so rad. It's like the gold standard. I mean, that must have been. Talk a little bit about, like, getting into Juilliard. And. And was it, like, a dream? Was it a dream come true? Or were you, like, yeah, big.

[Anthony Mackie]

Did you ever cross paths with Laura Linney there? I think she's. She's a big wig over there.

[Sean Hayes]

I never saw Laura Linney. She was never there when I was there. Patti LuPone was there all the time, which was amazing. But it all started in New Orleans. I mean, I went to this school called New Orleans center for Creative Arts, which is pretty much like fame, but in New Orleans. And I just loved it. Like, it was amazing. It taught me everything. And I got to. New Orleans is a very segregated city. So getting to meet and see people from the other side of the city was mind blowing. How different it was, you know, on the other side of the track. So it forced me to want to get out of New York. I mean, New Orleans. So I went to boarding school in North Carolina at North Carolina School of the Arts. And I consider that to be my year of time. Like, everybody's been arrested. My year of jail time was at 10 Winston Salem.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, really? Why? Why? Why Was it?

[Sean Hayes]

Have you ever been to Winston Salem?

[Anthony Mackie]

No.

[Will Arnett]

No.

[Sean Hayes]

Winston Salem in 1996 was some shit. You hear me? So I made it out, I did my bid, I got out, you know, I mean.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And the man couldn't hold me down forever. So I moved up to New York and, you know, auditioned and got into Juilliard from North Carolina.

[Will Arnett]

Wow.

[Sean Hayes]

And moved to New York when I was 18. And it was crazy.

[Anthony Mackie]

Wait, so Anthony, so you start. You. So you grow up in New Orleans. You were born and raised there?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, born and raised. Yeah. Samoa. Boscoville Hardhead.

[Anthony Mackie]

So then your first real exposure to, as you say, the other side of the tracks was going to this, this really cool art school where you got to see some folks that are from a different socioeconomic background and they're coming to see some of the productions and stuff like that. And the seed gets planted to be an artist, an actor. Yeah. And you say, okay, I'm not bad at this. You're getting some nice accolades. No such that you think you can take on more.

[Sean Hayes]

Not at all. It was just. It was something. I was probably the worst actor at my school. But really it kept my interest, you know, like the idea of being in a room with different types of people and doing different types of shit, it was almost like every day was summer camp. Like I look forward to going there every day. You would go there half a day and then regular school half a day. And it was just like a bunch of people in a room that I identify with, people that I got along with. And it was a school that was half dancer. So we had all these smoking chicks in a dance program. So I was like, fuck. I just showed my. I have a 16 year old son. I showed him my yearbook from high school and he was like, like, yo, those are the girls. And I'm like, this is what girls looked like when I was in school. You like, you got it Good.

[Anthony Mackie]

And we will be right back.

[Jason Bateman]

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[Jason Bateman]

And now back to the show.

[Anthony Mackie]

Was it a common thing for. For the folks where you. Where you grew up to like, go into the arts, become an actor, Go to this art school, not become an actor.

[Sean Hayes]

I mean, in New Orleans, you know, every little boy grows up wanting to be a trumpet player. You know, everybody wants to be a musician. Everybody wants to march in a parade, Right?

[Will Arnett]

But were your parents musicians or in the arts at all?

[Sean Hayes]

No. Hell no. My daddy worked. My daddy was a roofer, you know, so it was six of us. He had to work, so.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, fuck. Roofing in New Orleans too. That is not.

[Sean Hayes]

My mom was a homemaker and my dad was a roofer, so. But they always stressed on us Education and going to school. So it was very important to them that we did something that fulfilled our dreams and kept us interested.

[Anthony Mackie]

But also, probably they had their eye on practicality, too. It sounds like they were not afraid of good hard work and some pleasant predictability about income and providing. Were they sort of. You sure you want to pursue acting or the arts? Is something that, like, how about getting, like a quote unquote, real job? Was there pressure to do that as well?

[Sean Hayes]

No, not at all. My parents. My dad had one rule. Do whatever you want. Be the best at it. Just don't go to jail.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, that's cool.

[Sean Hayes]

That was like, you go, damn garbage man. Just be the best garbage man and don't go to jail. That's like growing up in New Orleans in the 80s and 90s, it was such a rough city.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah, it was.

[Sean Hayes]

I mean, it was the murder capital of the world. I mean, they were in a city of, you know, 700,000 people. You know, four to 500 people were getting murdered a year. So per square capital. We were literally the murder capital of the world.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow. I didn't know that.

[Sean Hayes]

So, yeah, it was. It was wildly dangerous in the. In the early 90s.

[Anthony Mackie]

Did you have. Do you have brothers and sisters or were you an only child?

[Sean Hayes]

Five of them, yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Wow. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And we, you know, we're all vastly different and very different.

[Will Arnett]

Anybody else going to the arts?

[Sean Hayes]

No, no, no, no, no, no. My brother, you know, was a. A singer, but he also played tennis, so all that shit's weird. You know what I mean?

[Will Arnett]

So. So. So. I mean, that's amazing. So you go. And then you go to. You go to North Carolina, then you go up, you get into Juilliard, and you go to Juilliard. And I always wondered this. So you graduate Juilliard, you've got a degree from arguably, like, the premier place to get an acting degree, certainly in the States. And. And is it like, okay, you know, the day after you. You graduate, is it like everybody's knocking at your door or the streets and start auditioning like everybody else?

[Sean Hayes]

Well, you do this thing called league scenes, and you invite all the agents and all the agencies to come see the graduating class do their monologue, like a showcase. A showcase, yeah. And everybody comes. And from that, hopefully you'll get an agent or a manager. And I got lucky. I did these, you know, three scenes, and they were fine. You know, it was cool. But what really helped me was when I was in school, we wrote this play about Tupac called Up against the Wind, and you know, we all did it. Like, you know, there was a girl, Rosemary, in a directing program, Michael, in a writing program, and all of us actors, we all wrote and produced the scene ourselves. I mean, the show ourselves, at school. So when we did the show, the show. Jim Nicola from New York Theater Workshop came to see the show and was like, I want to move this off Broadway. So it was a big problem at Juilliard because you're not allowed to do outside work while you're a student. Okay. And it came out.

[Will Arnett]

But it was a gray area because you guys had started it at the school.

[Sean Hayes]

I started it at the school.

[Will Arnett]

Right.

[Sean Hayes]

And, you know, it was very eye opening because there was a fight between me and the staff if I would do this play off Broadway, which was created at the school, or if I would do the Chekhov play for my final grade of the year.

[Jason Bateman]

Right.

[Sean Hayes]

So we were going back and forth about that, and they were very adamant about not letting me do this play. And then the play caught fire and took off. And all of a sudden, everybody was a supporter. Like, there was a teacher who was interviewed by the New York Times, and true story. This is still in print. She said, you know, usually the black kids just sit around and wait to see who's gonna play Othello, but it's great that they created something that they can go and do and in the New York theater.

[Anthony Mackie]

Whoa.

[Will Arnett]

What.

[Jason Bateman]

What does that even mean? Like, what?

[Sean Hayes]

It means she was a idiot.

[Jason Bateman]

I know what that's, like, crazy.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. What?

[Sean Hayes]

It means she was. Was a fucking idiot. Wow.

[Will Arnett]

That's what it means. That must have lit a fire under your, like, a little bit to be like. Like, I'm gonna. Yeah. Like, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And that was my biggest thing, like, coming out of that school. It was. It was really eye opening for many different reasons, because I went to go see a play, like, every two weeks, and I saw so much bad theater. But I saw so much good theater.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, and so much small theater and innovative and courageous theater. And it really just formed and shaped me. What I saw really formed and shaped me more than what I learned in school.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Anthony Mackie]

And now you find yourself. Sorry, Sean. You find yourself at a place of great success with tons of momentum and futures wide open. Did you allow yourself to see yourself at this place at this age, or are you kind of like. You know, it's a tough question to answer, but are you where you thought you would be? Are you. Are you over. Over performing, Underperforming? You've got to be happy. You gotta Be content.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, this is a weird business. And, you know, psychologically, it's a huge mindfuck to be a part of this business, because I never thought I would be here. Like, I never. When I got into this business, I didn't say, oh, I want to be famous, or I want to be a movie star. I literally dreamed about being a working act actor. Yeah, I wanted to, you know, work at the Guthrie. I wanted to work at Penumbra, you.

[Jason Bateman]

Know, that's why you've had longevity.

[Sean Hayes]

And. And that was the focus of my career. Like, how can I do these great roles, you know? You know, these great American theater roles in great theaters around the country, you know, and it just. It just so happened, you know, because it sounds like such an asshole story. So when we were doing. When we were doing up against the Wind, there was this amazing casting director named Molly Finn. Guy Rusta.

[Will Arnett]

Sure.

[Sean Hayes]

And she was in New York. She came to see the play and Curtis Hansen was putting together 8 mile, right?

[Jason Bateman]

That's right.

[Sean Hayes]

So she came to see the play. I get to audition for Curtis Hansen. And I was always a huge fan of Curtis from LA Confidential, from all the shit he had did. And my audition, like, it was just funny. I always had a belief if you get people to directing you and working with you, that's because they're interested in you. If you audition and they go, good job, kid. Thanks for coming in. Then nine times out of 10, you ain't getting that job. So I walk in and I meet Curtis. Sit down. Curtis was a cool cat, like, love him to death. And I asked him, I said. So that was right when, like a year after Wonder Boys had came out. And I said, curtis, I have a question for you before we start. He's like, yeah, sure, go ahead. So I was like, wonder Boys? I'm like, was that meant to be an ode to Alfred Hitchcock or were you, like, directing it in a sense towards the ideals and teachings of Hitchcock and the way he worked? So he goes, whoa, what are you talking about? What are doing you Me? So I explained to him what I saw in the movie and you know, what he did with Tobey Maguire and the backdrops in the scene and escalating visual aspect that tied into the mental frustration of the character. And we talked for like an hour about Wonder Boys. I never read, never did my audition. So I come out and I'm like, fuck.

[Will Arnett]

Oops. I blew my chance to, you know.

[Sean Hayes]

So I'm like, don't do that again. Don't do that again. So three weeks later, he called and he was like, yo, cast somebody else in a role that you came in for. But there's another role. It's only four days. If you. I don't want to offend you. I know you're a trained actor, but if you're willing to do it, you know, I'd love to have you in Detroit. So I'm like, hell, yes, Curtis Hansen. Yeah, so fly to Detroit and just sit with Curtis Hansen and eat dinner and, like, kick it for, like, two weeks. And the role only was four scenes, right? And he was like, you have anything booked after this? I said, nah. He was like, well, so if I extend your role, you can stay. I'm like, fuck, yeah, I can stay. Ain't going nowhere. So they extended my contract to a run of pitcher. And we developed that role over the course of.

[Jason Bateman]

That's really cool.

[Sean Hayes]

And that's kind of how.

[Jason Bateman]

That's amazing.

[Sean Hayes]

It started.

[Jason Bateman]

That's amazing.

[Will Arnett]

That's so cool. You guys kind of built it off a person, like, just like a dialogue that you were having with him about, like, a shared interest. Like, that's. That's so.

[Sean Hayes]

By the way, so funny in the movie. Like, Eminem has that, you know, rap at the end of the movie where he's like, you went to private school and all that. If you go back, like, he's. We had a conversation a week before, and we're talking shit. And, you know, Em is just an amazing dude and a lovely human being. Once you spend time with him, it's just funny. But he's always learning and hearing and listening. Like, he's like a fucking sponge. So we get to set the next day, and he's like, yo, there's no reason why I don't like this dude. Like, yeah, we beefing, but nobody knows. Knows about our backstory and our history, so we need to put that in a script. So Curtis was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you right. You right. So it comes, the battle scene, right? And I write my rhyme. I'm like, right? We go to set, and fucking Eminem starts his rap, and he's like, you went to private school. I was like, I did go to private school. He's like, your parents have a real good marriage. I'm like, my parents do have a real marriage, you motherfucker. You talking about me?

[Jason Bateman]

That's cool. That's cool.

[Will Arnett]

Wow. Now, wait a second. Wait. So was. Was 8 Mile your first movie?

[Sean Hayes]

That was my very first movie, yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Wow.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. That's pretty cool.

[Will Arnett]

Wow.

[Sean Hayes]

2001 man, that was my first movie.

[Anthony Mackie]

Nice start.

[Sean Hayes]

That was my first job.

[Jason Bateman]

Isn't that crazy? I mean, it was the first massive movie.

[Will Arnett]

I know.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did. I did up against the Wind off Broadway and then. And went into 8 mile.

[Anthony Mackie]

Have you been back to theater yet?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I did. Well, the last time I did theater was 2016 with Chris Walken and one of the most amazing human beings on Earth, Sam Rockwell and Zoe Kazan, called Behanding in Spokane.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And I'll tell you what. If you haven't worked with Chris Walken, just save up some money, produce a play, and fucking do a play with Chris Walken. That motherfucker's amazing. Like, that was the pinnacle of being able to do theater. To see him on stage every night.

[Jason Bateman]

I bet. I bet that's really cool. What a cool experience. You know, a lot of people say, you know, acting is the study of human behavior and this human psychology and stuff like that. And you've done so many. So many different roles and so many. Played so many different people. Do you find yourself outside of work kind of getting people's heads or analyzing people's behavior or analyzing the human behavior outside of a role? Like, I find myself doing that probably to a fault sometimes because I'm like, oh, that person acts like that because of AB. You know what I mean? Do you do that?

[Sean Hayes]

Well, no. That's a very interesting perspective, and great question, because I do that all the time. But in this generation, like, people are so, like, thwarted with their own insecurities that you can't really ask questions about why they do something or how they think, because they instantly go on the defensive because they haven't even thought about why they do the things they do and why they think the way they do.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, they don't think that deep.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. And my thing is, as an actor, it's really interesting to me to try and understand people and the knowledge and the aspect of what happened on the course of your day to make you act or react it the way you did just now.

[Jason Bateman]

Right.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, and you just ask questions like, why, why, why? Why do you think that way? Or what made you think that? And it's like, oh, you're just being an asshole. And, you know.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, because. Because I'll. I'll drive. I'll drive Scotty, my husband, crazy. I'll constantly ask him every day, how are you? What are you doing? What are you thinking about? What's going on? You all right? Like, trying to get in there? Because he's like, yeah, get out of my face. I'm fine, I'm fine. You know, and you're a digger.

[Anthony Mackie]

And he's just like, just let me be quiet.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, like there's nothing wrong. And he's.

[Will Arnett]

Is he really grouchy? Does he seem really grouchy?

[Jason Bateman]

No, no. I just want to know. But he goes, if you keep asking me, that's what I'm going to get upset. You know what I mean? Like, great match.

[Anthony Mackie]

He sounds like a great match for me. You ever get tired of Scotty, you send him over to me. We'll be quiet. Quiet in the car together.

[Sean Hayes]

We'll be so quiet. Just sit over there.

[Jason Bateman]

But I didn't know, Anthony, if you're like that, Anthony, where anything like me where, like, if it's in a relationship, whether it's a friend or a co worker or a romantic relationship or whatever it is, I just sometimes overanalyze people to death and they're just like, okay, stop talking.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I tried to. And I just asked questions and give them space to breathe and just see what comes out of that, you know? But for some reason, people take that as you being an asshole and they get upset with you because you try and understand them and they've never tried to understand themselves. You know, and the more I understand you, the easier and better this relationship will work out. Like, I was having a conversation the other day and my boy was like, you know, you need to come to LA and go to the party parties and meet these directors so people can see you. And I'm like, yo, after 25 years, if I gotta go to a party at like so and so's house for you to want to work with me, then you. Dude, you know what I mean? Yeah, we've been in this game long enough to where like, you know, the people that like, are doing it in the way they doing it.

[Jason Bateman]

What's this game now? What is this?

[Sean Hayes]

Now all of a sudden I gotta come to parties and. And do blow off of Jason's dick for us?

[Will Arnett]

Exactly.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Leave that up to me. Exactly.

[Anthony Mackie]

Short line though, wasn't it?

[Will Arnett]

Jason, stop putting blow on your dick.

[Anthony Mackie]

Well, it's most short lines. I can't really fit a line on there. It's just little upgrades, by the way.

[Will Arnett]

You'll hear. Funny, I texted this to JB twice this week in the same day, two people came up to me and go like, hey, I know your buddy Jason. I used to party with him back in the day. I used to live in Venice. And this other guy I worked with him on a thing. And I texted jb and JB goes, yeah, I put a lot of people into rehab.

[Jason Bateman]

Bye.

[Will Arnett]

They spent a week with Jason in. In 1995, and they were screwed.

[Sean Hayes]

They were done.

[Will Arnett]

Wait, so you do. Sean brought up. I mean, you've done. I mean, you've just done countless movies and you've done so many different kinds of characters. I know so many. And. And you're off Broadway. Broadway. You obviously, we mentioned Juilliard and you did all this stuff and then. And you. I mean, you were in Hurt Locker. Like, you've been in. And all these, like, you know, celebrated films, and then you get asked to become part of the mcu.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

And what was. What was that process?

[Anthony Mackie]

That's the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Tracy.

[Will Arnett]

She knows that. That's one we don't need to explain.

[Sean Hayes]

I don't know.

[Anthony Mackie]

Is Tracy a big Marvel fan? Doesn't strike me.

[Will Arnett]

Sean's sister. Sorry, Anthony.

[Jason Bateman]

She really likes rom coms, right?

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah. Okay, so Marvel Cinematic Universe, here we go.

[Will Arnett]

What was that call? Like, what was that conversation? And were you like. Like, were you like, yes. Or were you like.

[Jason Bateman]

Was the first one. Was to. Will's question, was the first one Winter Soldier.

[Will Arnett]

Soldier.

[Jason Bateman]

Is that the first one?

[Sean Hayes]

That was the first.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, because I saw you in that. I saw. I love that movie, by the way. I love that movie and I love all of them. But I mean, like, when I.

[Will Arnett]

When.

[Jason Bateman]

When I saw it, it was like, what the. This guy's incredible. Like, what an unbelievable addition with the. I mean, it's costume.

[Anthony Mackie]

What were your favorite parts? You know, the wings.

[Will Arnett]

So, so wait, so wait, so how did that. How did that roll out? How did that roll out?

[Anthony Mackie]

No.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, but.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Yeah. How did it feel to get the call? And like, what. And, oh, my God. And what was it like?

[Sean Hayes]

You know, it came together like a. You know, it was like a.

[Anthony Mackie]

Well, I guess it was a.

[Jason Bateman]

What?

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, my God. Tell us what?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, because I can't imagine.

[Anthony Mackie]

No, I know. Tell us some more.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I just can't imagine getting a call like that.

[Will Arnett]

Sean. If Sean. If Sean's. If Scotty. Knew who Sean was about to get the call, he'd put a diaper on him first.

[Anthony Mackie]

Like a little baby champ about to get his first tast. Ice cream.

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What?

[Jason Bateman]

Running around this townhouse with no elevator, just doing zoomies.

[Anthony Mackie]

Zoomies on the floor.

[Will Arnett]

The elevator with a belly full of sand.

[Sean Hayes]

Elevator.

[Jason Bateman]

And a belly and a. And a diaper full of.

[Will Arnett]

No, but that must have been a cool. That must have Been a pretty cool day. Like, hey, you want to come and join the biggest thing in the cinematic world?

[Jason Bateman]

Really funny.

[Sean Hayes]

No, it was, it was, it was a really cool call to get, you know, but the problem was, but it.

[Anthony Mackie]

Wasn'T Chekhov at the Lincoln at Lincoln Center. So it was like you had to think, okay, can I, can, can I, can I, can I bear this and still pursue that? Right? Like, there's a, there's a strategic career, gross sort of conversation you have to have with yourself and your team. Perhaps at times you get opportunity, right?

[Jason Bateman]

But that script was phenomenal. I'm sure it's not like, you know what I mean, mean well.

[Sean Hayes]

But that's the problem with Marvel. You don't know. You don't get to read the script. You don't get to know anything. Like, I had a meeting with the Russo brothers and these guys.

[Jason Bateman]

They're wonderful.

[Will Arnett]

Two brothers from Cleveland, but with a great Italian heritage.

[Anthony Mackie]

These two guys is our boy is really getting. Okay.

[Jason Bateman]

Anyway.

[Anthony Mackie]

We'Ll be right back.

[Jason Bateman]

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[Jason Bateman]

And back to the show.

[Will Arnett]

So the Russo's called. We know Joe and Anthony real well, and so they call you and they're like, just say yes or no. Sight unseen.

[Sean Hayes]

Pretty much. We meet. It was such. It was like the most LA shit I've ever experienced. We go to this hotel, and it's like, all, like, art stucco and a swimming pool in the middle. And it's like all these ladies, these old ladies with, like, their lobster titties laying out by the pool. You know, we ordered lunch and they're just, like, fucking cooking. And Nate Moore and I were, like, the only two black dudes in the whole hotel. Like, it was some LA Beverly Hills shit. Everybody has their shades on.

[Anthony Mackie]

Sure.

[Sean Hayes]

So you know Joe Russo, he's the talker, you know? So Joe goes, look, Anthony, we have a script. We have an idea. You know, we. We have a character, and we'd like you to play it. Is that something you're interested in? And I was like, yeah. Like, can I read it? He went, no. Can I know the character? No.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow.

[Sean Hayes]

So I didn't know who I was playing, Literally.

[Jason Bateman]

So what made you want.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah, what made you want to say, yeah, Joe's magnetism?

[Sean Hayes]

Because I knew being in the MCU would, like, do for my career the same thing, you know, being nominated for an Oscar award. Because at the end of the day, if you go up to. And I always do this with my friends, at the end of the day, if you go up to the average person and ask them, who won best actor last year?

[Anthony Mackie]

No.

[Jason Bateman]

Don't know. They don't know.

[Will Arnett]

Nobody knows, right?

[Anthony Mackie]

Not even the average person. Ask any of us who won best Actor last year?

[Sean Hayes]

Who won best Actor? I have no idea.

[Anthony Mackie]

Adrian Brody I can't tell you what.

[Jason Bateman]

Adrian Brody, go up to the average.

[Sean Hayes]

Person and ask them who. Average person our age. Ask them who, you know, who was who played Rocky, or, you know, who did this, or they'll always have those iconic characters and moments in their mind as opposed to an award push for you to get a statue.

[Anthony Mackie]

Sure.

[Jason Bateman]

Right, right, right.

[Will Arnett]

So, Right. So. So in that respect, it's a no. It's a no brainer. It's like, like I said, it's like, hey, we're.

[Sean Hayes]

We're.

[Will Arnett]

We're running the biggest deal in the game right now. Do you want to jump on this train? We're. We're going this way. And you're like, I kind of want to go that way.

[Sean Hayes]

Hell, yeah.

[Anthony Mackie]

Then you let your eyes. Then you let your eyes drift over to Anthony Russo and you're like, like, well, hang on a second. This. This guy has not stopped staring at me. Hasn't said a word.

[Sean Hayes]

Not a word. He just stares at you the whole time.

[Anthony Mackie]

And I want to know what the deal is.

[Will Arnett]

Ant is going to be a stone cold psycho with you. While Joe's talking, eating a sandwich, he's.

[Anthony Mackie]

Trying to distract you with the shiny penny over here. Don't look at my brother.

[Will Arnett]

I always find it fun when Joe takes the time out from playing, like, fantasy football to actually have a conversation with you. That part's fun.

[Sean Hayes]

Stop looking at his phone. To actually look at you and talk to you for one second. I feel like the most special person. He's like the talented Mr. Ripley. He's like, so, how's it going? You know, and it's fun.

[Will Arnett]

So, so what happens? So then at what stage of the, of that, of. Of. Of that whole thing do you get. Do you finally kind of get keyed in on who your character is? Like, what his name is, what he is, where he live, and then actually reading a script, et et cetera. Like, how far down the road is that?

[Sean Hayes]

Right before I got on a plane to go to Cleveland, because we shot that in Cleveland. Mostly in Cleveland, some stuff in Atlanta, but we. I didn't have anything. I was just like, Marvel. I loved the movies. I had always wanted to be in the movies since the first Iron Man. I'm like, I'm down. I didn't know what the movie was. I just thought because I had been approaching them, I'd had my team approach them a long time before about the idea of playing Black Panther. Like, growing up, Black Panther was one of my favorite comic books because my oldest brother read all the comic books. So I always. That was like, Luke Cage and Black Panther were my two favorite comic icons, along with Superman, but they were my two favorite black dudes. And we had always gone after and circled the idea of. At some point in time, they have to do Black Panther. Like, you know, call them, email them, text them. I write letters to Kevin Feige. Fuck you, Black Panther. Right, right, right. So I thought when they hit me up, they were like, you know, would you play this role? I'm like, of course, it's Black Panther. But then when I. When I got the script, I realized it was Sam Wilson. And once I started reading the history and the background about Sam Wilson Wilson, I realized the importance of him in the mcu. Like, what Stan Lee intended for him to be and what he created him for was really amazing and really profound and really spoke to the idea of the perspective of the black American in America at that time. So it was, you know, him being a part of the Airborne was strategic. You know, him being ex military was strategic. Him being a hustler from Harlem was strategic. All of those things were put in there to socialize and emulate what black culture was at that time in America.

[Jason Bateman]

So.

[Sean Hayes]

So as black culture evolved, so did Sam Wilson in the mcu.

[Will Arnett]

So you do that. So you get there, you. And you appreciate that, and you start getting into that. And then you. You eventually. And you make. I don't know how many movies you're like, you were in. Obviously seven.

[Sean Hayes]

Now this is. This will be my. My 10th and 10th and 11th.

[Will Arnett]

10Th.

[Anthony Mackie]

I mean, how about. Hey, Russos. Hey. How about just a. Just a. A brief cameo?

[Will Arnett]

I know Jason and I know them when they were. They were just. They directed the pilot of Rest of the. You wanted to call us.

[Anthony Mackie]

Not even a 10.

[Will Arnett]

These are two of the. The old. The. We've known. We've known Joe Anthony about as long as anybody in town. Be great, right, Jason? Who knows those guys longer in town than us?

[Sean Hayes]

Anthony is the end. Do not text Joe. That text will be lost.

[Will Arnett]

Believable.

[Anthony Mackie]

Just a couple of nice seats for a premiere would be great.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, that.

[Sean Hayes]

Even.

[Will Arnett]

Even just a discount at Regal Cinemas would, you know, I take that at this point. You know what I mean? But so you do. So this is your 9th and 10th or 10th and 11. And then when was it that you made the transit? When you became Captain America? That's a. That's a pretty. Yeah, that sort of mantle was handed. Handed over. When was that?

[Sean Hayes]

That was at the end of Endgame, which was weird. Because that's when, you know, all the shit changed. Like that's when you know Disney bought Marvel and Disney plus became a thing. And after Endgame was when everything turned into, to this idea of Marvel and Marvel streaming and Marvel TV and all these different entities under the Disney umbrella. So because of that, which I was very happy about because you could put so much in a eight part series as opposed to an hour and 45 minute movie. The Falcon Winter Soldier show was more so about the idea of Sam Wilson becoming, becoming Captain America and leaving all the other shit behind. So that's what I did after Endgame because nobody knew, like on Endgame, I didn't know I was gonna fuckin be Captain America. Nobody knew that shit. Like when I found that out the day we were on set, I didn't know about that. That Sunday, Sunday we were at Chris's house playing, watching football. And I found out at Chris's house that Monday morning and we were shooting a scene where I became Captain America because he had got those pages Wednesday.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh my God, you guys don't even get a script when you, when you start a project. Wow.

[Sean Hayes]

No, you get a script, but as soon as you get the script you put it down and every day you get pages.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will Arnett]

And then they're like, hey, you better read these pages because we're about to change the trajectory of your life, character, your life, your career. Like, right, like just wait.

[Anthony Mackie]

So like, is there, is there like a group of like super dorks that are sitting around a table and figuring out how all of these different characters interact?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, that's what I want to know.

[Anthony Mackie]

Intertwine and like, is there like.

[Will Arnett]

What do you mean? That's what you want to know? Look in the mirror, Sean.

[Anthony Mackie]

A one year plan, five year plan, ten year plan for how all these characters slowly get closer to one another and cross pollinate and like where's the, where's the think tank on all this stuff? I want. And when does Mickey Mouse come in to all of this stuff?

[Sean Hayes]

The, you know, the idea is the, the scope of it all. The, the original plan was the, the first, you know, the first cycle, the first 10 movies to have that arc all the way to Endgame and then, you know, all the other phases after that, they just build it out phase by phase. So you have the beginning, the middle and the end of the phase. And how, how that, how that I.

[Anthony Mackie]

Wouldn'T even know where to start. I mean, not at all. Would I start, start at Iron man and like that would. If I just Started there, I'd start to get. You do the Iron Man 1, 2, and 3. And then where do you move to?

[Sean Hayes]

Well, see, this is the problem, all right? I don't think you need to watch all the movies. Like, I don't think some of the movies, like the Thor movies don't really, like, translate into the universe, but there's.

[Anthony Mackie]

Probably some useful information there that affects other stuff. Right?

[Sean Hayes]

Because that's Thor. Thor's own thing. Like, that shit is so far out. Like, it's so different because he's a God like that. When you see Thor come into the mcu, you never see anybody go to his universe.

[Will Arnett]

Right, Right.

[Sean Hayes]

So Spider man wasn't around because Spider man was owned by Sony, and Spider man came into the world on Civil War. So you don't need to watch any 17 incarnations of Spider Man.

[Anthony Mackie]

Got it?

[Sean Hayes]

So the. The movies you really need to watch are the Iron man movies and the Captain America movies. Those are the ones that give you the through line. The through line.

[Anthony Mackie]

And that'll get me to Avengers.

[Sean Hayes]

So Captain America, the First Avenger, and all the Iron man and Captain America movies will get you to Endgame.

[Will Arnett]

Jb, I think we need to do you and I need to do an MCU film fest. American New theater, please.

[Anthony Mackie]

When are you home? Home?

[Sean Hayes]

Well, I'm sure one of y' all got a movie theater in your house.

[Will Arnett]

Jason.

[Sean Hayes]

Sure. All three of you have movie theaters in.

[Jason Bateman]

I do not. I do not.

[Will Arnett]

Jason does. It's not in his house. It's its own building. Now, listen. So. So. So it has. It literally has a different address.

[Anthony Mackie]

Next question.

[Will Arnett]

But. But. But. So. So you do all that stuff. You do. And. And now you're. And then you're. I don't know how you find the time to do all this other stuff. Not to mention the fact that we've got Twisted Metal season two, which is. Premieres end of July.

[Anthony Mackie]

This is the thing you're producing, Willie.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah. On. On Peacocks.

[Anthony Mackie]

That's.

[Will Arnett]

End of July. Season 2 comes out on that. Which is a huge hit for Peacock. You're. So that's coming out. You're promoting that second season. Super fun. Anthony's so good. If you haven't seen it, Anthony is so good in it. It's so funny.

[Sean Hayes]

It's a good time. It's a. It's a good time. It's. It's fun.

[Anthony Mackie]

You're a. You're a band member in a hard metal band. Is that.

[Will Arnett]

No. No. But not a bad. No.

[Anthony Mackie]

Dad, we're just, we're just on. We're like on the road with you. It's like stuffing the bus and.

[Sean Hayes]

No, he's too busy listening to Yacht Rock to watch our show.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, totally.

[Will Arnett]

No, it's a.

[Sean Hayes]

It's a post apocalyptic based on a video. Video game. The video game Twisted Metal, which was big in the 80s and 90s, 90s and early 2000s. It's a. We got the property and built out this world behind the lead character, John Doe. And you know, it's the post apocalypse and the world is basically falling apart. But you see John Doe and the rest of the characters trying to maneuver through it and figure out how to get inside what is now the real world, which are these walls walled in cities all over the world where society and reality still exist instead of the war zone that's outside the walls.

[Jason Bateman]

But Anthony, you know, it's. There's you. There's so many projects that you're. I mean, I know, I know it's mind blowing. Like, do you.

[Will Arnett]

By the way, it would be like.

[Anthony Mackie]

When do you go to the market.

[Will Arnett]

Anthony, do you remember? Like, we would have, we would have meetings when we were first, when we were first working on Twisted Metal, we had a couple like development meetings or something. And like, I'd be like, anthony, where are you? And he's like, I'm in Saudi Arabia. I'm on a boat. He literally is like, I'm on a boat in Saudi Arabia. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

[Anthony Mackie]

All right, so then this, this. Remember that this prompts the obvious question. Let's talk about domestic life. Do we have, do we have a family that we're trying to navigate through all this, or you just a rock and single and you just can take your show on the road?

[Sean Hayes]

No, the one thing I realize is being like, I'm a firm believer that I think, like, I love to work.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, clearly.

[Sean Hayes]

I feel like me working is my happiness. You know, I love to stay busy. It's like, that's just my joy. And you know, sadly to say that most of the times when you're gone for four and five months at a time, relationships don't really fit into that. And all of my free time and all of my empty brain space goes to my kids. You know, it's like I have, I have four sons and you know, four little boys, dude. Like, they are so interesting and different and manipulative and just little assholes at the same time. So it's like, it's like, you know, you have to like, every free moment I have is a moment to fall in love with my boy.

[Jason Bateman]

Boys.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

So I don't really have space.

[Anthony Mackie]

Are they able to come with you on some of these things? Well, the.

[Sean Hayes]

The. They do. Everyone, they'll come out and visit, but the problem is I have to remember that they have their own lives.

[Anthony Mackie]

Exactly.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, like, now I'm in Budapest, and my boys have worked all school year for two and a half months of summer.

[Anthony Mackie]

Exactly.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

So do I say your camps, your friends, your fun. You come to Budapest and sit in this hotel room while I'm at work. I get to see you right before you go to bed?

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah, that would be.

[Sean Hayes]

I. I would hate that, you know?

[Jason Bateman]

Right.

[Sean Hayes]

So it's a, you know.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, what hotel? Which hotel?

[Will Arnett]

Depends. Budapest hotel.

[Sean Hayes]

Yo, my boys, they love a good room service. Boy, the chicken wings are chicken tenders.

[Anthony Mackie]

And craft service. I bet you Marvel puts up a nice craft service on set, too. Good snacks.

[Sean Hayes]

Yo, our crafty is crazy.

[Anthony Mackie]

And then you can go over to Downey's camp, too, and get a little something extra crazier.

[Sean Hayes]

But, like, one day I snuck over.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, you go get your fiber in Downy's camp.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, sure. If you're gluten intolerant, you just step over there.

[Sean Hayes]

So when we were. When he had the pizza truck, I went up to his security. Security's real cool guy. And I was like, look, man, I went over to the pizza truck, and all them was sitting in there talking. I'm like, I don't want to sit there and talk to them. I want to make pizza. So I go over with the pizza guys and start making pizza on the truck, right? So I make this dope, delicious. I mean, Chef's Kiss pizza, right? So I cut a piece off, and I go over to Downey security guard, and I'm like, yo, man, here's a slice of pizza. Like, I know you've had a long day, so I just wanted to introduce myself. We haven't met. My name is Anthony. It's so great to meet you. He's like, oh, nice to meet you. So two days later, I'm like, I want to sneak in Robert's base camp.

[Anthony Mackie]

And he's like, who the fuck are you? You got an ID or something?

[Sean Hayes]

I go in my trailer. I don't have ice. I'm like, I know who has ice, right? So sneak over to Robert's base camp. I go to the security guard. I was like, like, yo, what's up, man? He's like, anthony, how's it going? He's like, that was a great pizza. Thanks. I was like, hey, you mind if I. If I go in right quick? He's like, no, go right ahead. I stole all his ice. Yeah, that's how it works, kid. That's how it works.

[Jason Bateman]

That's right.

[Will Arnett]

It's who you know.

[Jason Bateman]

It's who you know.

[Sean Hayes]

It's who you know. There's no little man on this pole.

[Will Arnett]

Well, listen, man, we've taken up too much of your time. You're over there, you're working, you're having a good time. You're probably in your weekend and we're.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, that's really nice of you, Anthony.

[Will Arnett]

It's always awesome to talk to you again. Like, you're the busiest dude. I know. You're such a super talented dude.

[Jason Bateman]

So impressive.

[Will Arnett]

And if you haven't seen. If you haven't seen Twisted Metal, please see twisted metal season two on July 31st on Peacock. Like I said, Anthony's amazing in it. And then your new show coming out next year on Apple, which 12. 1212, which is going to be amazing. And more Avengers and more. All of it. And dude, Anthony, keep it coming.

[Anthony Mackie]

We love.

[Will Arnett]

Keep becoming. Continued success, dude.

[Sean Hayes]

You're a great dude, Sean. I'm going to come check you when I get back to lo.

[Jason Bateman]

Love it. I love it.

[Sean Hayes]

Thank you.

[Jason Bateman]

I love it.

[Sean Hayes]

I feel like you like apple spritz and so we going to have like a apple spritz or something.

[Jason Bateman]

I'll have it. I'll have anything with a spritz in it.

[Will Arnett]

I'm in.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I would love that, Anthony. It'd be great to see you too. Yeah. So come on down. I would love it. Be so. I'd be so honored.

[Sean Hayes]

Definitely. Will do.

[Anthony Mackie]

Great to see you.

[Will Arnett]

Awesome. Thank you.

[Sean Hayes]

Thanks a lot, guys.

[Anthony Mackie]

Thank you.

[Will Arnett]

See you.

[Anthony Mackie]

See you, buddy. Oh, Sean. Hey, Sean. Great job. Job. Great job. I don't know. You know, Sean's been working with a tutor, an interview tuner. Tutor.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah, this is. It's subtle, but it's much better.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you. I mean, it's. I'm billing her three ways, so how could.

[Will Arnett]

How could he. He's the only nominated interviewer that we've got.

[Anthony Mackie]

There's always room to improve. He said to me in a text, were you not on that? Yeah, no.

[Will Arnett]

How great is Anthony? Right?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, he's great.

[Anthony Mackie]

Really? I've. I've never. Never met him. Never seen an interview with him. And that was awesome. Awesome.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, he's really cool.

[Will Arnett]

He's Such a great dude. And. And. And he's. When you look at his credits, it's so unbelievably impressive. Not just the volume, but all the different kinds of characters he's played.

[Anthony Mackie]

I'd love to see him on stage, too. I bet he's a beast.

[Will Arnett]

Incredible on stage. And. And you see that, like, you see. Remember he said early on he was like, well, you know, you don't want to. You want to come out. You want to do too many different things because you don't want people to think you're all over the place. I'm like, dude, mission accomplished.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

I mean, he did every. He's covered every corner. Corner.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I know. And he's got like 17 things coming out soon.

[Will Arnett]

I know.

[Jason Bateman]

It's like there was.

[Will Arnett]

There was one year. There was one year, I think, where he had like, eight movies in theaters at the same time.

[Anthony Mackie]

Are you kidding me?

[Will Arnett]

No.

[Jason Bateman]

Crazy.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, my God. The promotional work on that must have been a nightmare. All the stories you've got to come up with.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, God.

[Anthony Mackie]

How about this?

[Will Arnett]

You immediately think about the sh.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. That's the first thing you think of. You have to think of, like, so, like, so many different ways on that.

[Anthony Mackie]

Junket to say what?

[Jason Bateman]

Good.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, no, no, no. Work on it a little bit more. Come back to us.

[Will Arnett]

That was just a straight up. Oh, you got another one. Well, you know what you got to do? Next time you're trapped in the elevator, think of some good bu.

[Anthony Mackie]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

And just put a chalkboard in there. You know what I.

[Anthony Mackie]

New dad joke you've got for us today? We haven't had a dad joke today. I'd really like one.

[Jason Bateman]

I did have. Did I do the. Did I do the. What did the pirates say when he turned 80? Did I do that one or no. What did the pirates say when he turned 80? Well, what I may.

[Will Arnett]

That really got him.

[Anthony Mackie]

I just love them so much, but I love them coming out of Sean's face.

[Will Arnett]

I know.

[Anthony Mackie]

You know, because he's just like, I'm. I'm half. I'm half laughing already when I'm around him.

[Will Arnett]

What did the pirate say after they. They plundered the other boat?

[Anthony Mackie]

What?

[Jason Bateman]

What?

[Will Arnett]

Bye, matey.

[Anthony Mackie]

Oh, it's so fun hanging out with you guys. Jesus, Phi Gang.

[Will Arnett]

Smart.

[Anthony Mackie]

Less.

[Sean Hayes]

Smart less.

[Will Arnett]

Smartless is 100% organic and artisanally handcrafted by Michael Grant, Terry Rob Armjarv and Bennett Barbico. Smart. Less. The McDonald's snack wrap is back.

[Sean Hayes]

You brought it back.

[Will Arnett]

Ranch snack wrap. Spicy Snack Wrap you broke the Internet for a snack? Snack Wrap is back.

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