"Ariana Grande"

Summary

SmartLess Podcast Episode Summary: "Ariana Grande"

Introduction

In the February 3, 2025 release of SmartLess, hosts Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett welcome pop icon and Broadway star Ariana Grande as their special guest. The episode delves deep into Ariana's multifaceted career, her journey in musical theater, managing fame, and maintaining personal authenticity amidst the pressures of the entertainment industry.

Ariana's Career Journey

Ariana Grande's ascent from a Broadway enthusiast to a global pop sensation and acclaimed actress is nothing short of inspiring. Starting her career on Broadway at age 14 with the musical 13, Ariana showcased her passion for theater early on. Her transition to television saw her embodying the character Cat Valentine on Nickelodeon's Victorious and later on Sam & Cat. Concurrently, Ariana nurtured her burgeoning music career, releasing pop and R&B tracks that quickly garnered massive success.

Notable Quote:

"I'm blown away. Yeah, I was a total theater nerd. I did Broadway first when I was 14, and then I was acting for a little bit, but I was always simultaneously writing songs and doing music." — [14:42]

Joining Wicked

A pivotal moment in Ariana's career was her casting as Glinda in the Broadway production of Wicked. This role not only marked her return to her theater roots but also expanded her repertoire into serious acting.

Notable Quote:

"I really feel like I've been able to find a balance and also like a team who's really protective and amazing and I love it. I really feel like I've thoroughly been able to enjoy this Wicked insanity." — [10:24]

Ariana shared the rigorous audition process, highlighting the intensive vocal and acting training required. Her dedication was evident as she balanced her touring schedule with intensive preparation for her role in Wicked.

Notable Quote:

"Glinda requires a whole new skill set that I didn't have a connection to anymore because I was on the road for 10 years and I was just like, I have to make this my full-time gig." — [17:05]

Balancing Music and Acting

Managing dual careers in music and acting is no small feat, but Ariana navigates this balance with grace. She credits her early theater training and extensive touring for building the stamina and discipline necessary to excel in both arenas.

Notable Quote:

"I've been able to keep up with this tour where I'm singing all of these songs live for two and a half hours every night... the only reason I can keep up with this is being on Broadway." — [20:12]

Ariana emphasized the importance of physical training, such as cardio and Pilates, to maintain her performance levels for both singing and acting roles. Her ability to seamlessly switch between these demanding professions showcases her versatility and commitment.

Handling Fame and Pressure

With immense success comes significant public scrutiny. Ariana discussed the challenges of maintaining authenticity while managing her public persona. She highlighted the importance of setting boundaries and the role of her supportive team in preserving her mental health.

Notable Quote:

"As an artist, the most important thing is authenticity... I have to tune as much of the noise out so that I can just be an honest person." — [30:31]

Ariana openly spoke about her experiences with therapy and the importance of disconnecting from the constant buzz of fame to maintain her well-being.

Notable Quote:

"I have had the help of my loved ones and therapy and time and art and just like a love for, and also like a deep sense of gratitude for what I am so privileged to be able to do." — [40:14]

Personal Life and Interests

Beyond her professional endeavors, Ariana shared insights into her personal life. A dedicated vegan, she enjoys cooking and incorporates it into her daily routine. Her boyfriend, Ethan Slater, also from the Wicked cast, plays a significant role in her life, providing support and companionship amidst her busy schedule.

Notable Quote:

"I love to cook... I love to make like, roast mushrooms of different variants and make like, a vegan pesto and make pasta." — [50:55]

Ariana's daily routines reflect her disciplined yet creative nature. Early mornings spent on the treadmill often inspire her with new ideas, demonstrating her ability to integrate creativity into her fitness regimen.

Notable Quote:

"I have ideas and I'll send like crazy voice notes to Christian Breslauer, the director that I work with on all my music videos." — [50:00]

Anecdotes and Stories

The conversation was peppered with humorous and memorable anecdotes from Ariana's time in theater. She recounted incidents of on-stage mishaps and the camaraderie among cast members, providing a glimpse into the unpredictable world of live performances.

Notable Quote:

"One day, I look over to lock eyes with Aaron and do the choreography his way. And then I turn back and I see him covered in blood... it was just like the craziest thing." — [63:19]

Another memorable story involved Ariana inadvertently becoming a part of a live performance mishap, showcasing her quick thinking and the unpredictable nature of live theater.

Future Goals and Success

When asked about her definition of success, Ariana emphasized personal growth and the joy of creating over traditional metrics of achievement. Her future aspirations include expanding her acting portfolio and continuing to innovate in her music career.

Notable Quote:

"I love creating in all capacities and storytelling in any capacity. I enjoy creating, but my loves of my life are acting and music." — [28:12]

Ariana expressed her desire to take on roles that challenge her and allow her to explore different facets of her creativity, highlighting her commitment to evolving as an artist.

Conclusion

The episode concluded with heartfelt thanks as Ariana Grande shared her enthusiasm for future projects and continued collaboration with her team. The hosts expressed their admiration for her talent and versatility, leaving listeners with a deeper appreciation for Ariana's dedication to her craft and her ability to balance multiple high-profile careers.

Notable Quote:

"She is incredible and seems well suited for all that's coming." — [69:11]

Final Thoughts

This episode of SmartLess offers an intimate look into Ariana Grande's life, showcasing her journey from Broadway to global superstardom. Her candid discussions about balancing careers, handling fame, and maintaining authenticity provide valuable insights for aspiring artists and fans alike. Ariana's stories, combined with the hosts' engaging banter, make for a compelling and inspiring conversation that underscores her multifaceted talent and resilient spirit.

Transcript

[Will Arnett]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Jason Bateman]

Hey.

[Sean Hayes]

Whoa. Hi. Hey. What are you doing? Are you busy right now? Because I'd love to do a podcast. Are you free? Let's call Will really quick. I think it would be better with three Will.

[Will Arnett]

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[Jason Bateman]

Oh shit, we missed him.

[Will Arnett]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Jason Bateman]

Just Will, just and Will.

[Will Arnett]

No, just Will.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, but just Will would be clearer. Like too close to.

[Will Arnett]

It's too close to Just Jack from that show.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm not familiar.

[Jason Bateman]

Me neither.

[Will Arnett]

I don't know what the show, but so.

[Jason Bateman]

So nobody. And nobody's got nobody picked Will yet.

[Will Arnett]

Just the Will, like, you know. You know how, like Brazilian soccer players just go with like Pepe or whatever on the back of their. So I just want to do that.

[Jason Bateman]

You know what took me.

[Sean Hayes]

Say, yeah, Sean, you don't know what the hell he said?

[Jason Bateman]

No, I don't. But you know, it took me forever to realize. You remember that?

[Will Arnett]

Oh, hang on. Can I have a crack at this? Because the list is long.

[Sean Hayes]

That the world might not be flat.

[Jason Bateman]

No, that Will I will, period. I period. M period. You know the rapper, singer, guy, whatever he is.

[Sean Hayes]

Will I am, yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Will I am, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

William, you stupid bastard.

[Jason Bateman]

I didn't realize that.

[Will Arnett]

You're kidding. You're kidding.

[Jason Bateman]

I swear to God till like a year ago. It's like, I looked at it, I was like, oh, it's William.

[Will Arnett]

When you say didn't realize, how is that possible?

[Sean Hayes]

Well, nothing's going to beat Beatles, right? That was that big shock to know.

[Jason Bateman]

Lots of people on my side, guys. Lots of people on my side.

[Will Arnett]

I think Will. Will I am beats Beatles.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, I like that. The hair is still growing. You got a real Carol Brady kick out on the back. I love it. Are you going to. What are we going to do with it? Have you. Have you settled on what the look's going to be for the big film?

[Will Arnett]

No, I mean, I think you're kind of looking at.

[Sean Hayes]

Am I looking at it?

[Jason Bateman]

All right. Are you going to put gel in it? You're going to put.

[Will Arnett]

Well, it's going to be all over the place and it's going to be you. This is going to be what it is, man. You know, I'm kind of freewheeling, you.

[Jason Bateman]

Know, me, free, willing.

[Will Arnett]

Did you guys know anything about me? Yeah, you're talking to Will simply, just Will. Yeah, he's really easy going and freewheeling. Free, free.

[Jason Bateman]

You know, Scotty and I, I said to Jay, we missed you last week.

[Will Arnett]

Well, I know, I know. How was it?

[Jason Bateman]

It was fun. It was really small. There was some.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Good laughs.

[Sean Hayes]

It was plenty of oxygen for everyone with you not there. Wow, this guy.

[Will Arnett]

Our audience will agree.

[Sean Hayes]

No, we did. Now, you were still in town or you had just left Sunday.

[Will Arnett]

I left. I left Sunday night. Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And now you're in New York and you're there for the haul, for the long haul. You're not going to come back.

[Will Arnett]

I'm going to come back in a couple of weeks for a weekend. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Grab some toiletries.

[Will Arnett]

Grab a few misplaced.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Some sundries. And then. Yeah, no, no. Go back and see the kids and. And then they're going to come out here. It's going to be great.

[Sean Hayes]

I see you got the whisper booth all set up. Don't you?

[Jason Bateman]

Look at that.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, I got it all set up. You're leaving. You're leaving soon?

[Sean Hayes]

I'm leaving in three weeks, I think. Yeah. I got to. I got to start doing some homework. God damn it. I've really been putting it off. I'm like that, though. I just kick it all down the road, and then I cram.

[Jason Bateman]

What, you mean memorizing lines?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, that. Well, just, like, rereading and rereading the scripts and, like, I got to figure out my look, you know, I'm playing this St. Louis weatherman, and I'm.

[Jason Bateman]

I think you got it.

[Will Arnett]

I think you got it, too.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

No, hey, don't be your default. No, I have got a.

[Jason Bateman]

Tell us what it's like outside today.

[Sean Hayes]

Like, it's going to be a mustache and maybe parting the hair, but I need some glasses. But I don't want to get too anchorman with it, you know?

[Will Arnett]

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want it to be a cartoon, A caricature. You know, the other thing, jb if you do happen to.

[Sean Hayes]

Guys, that's my ride.

[Will Arnett]

If you do happen to. By the way, our guest is in Times Square. I'm so excited for this.

[Sean Hayes]

Just selling pretzels live.

[Will Arnett]

Jb, I will say this, and we can get your guests, but if you do go the parted, I'm excited if you go parted, because it'll mean you're finally. Put, like, a comb or brush in your hair.

[Sean Hayes]

I might actually blow dry it, too.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, are you gonna look so terrible. It's gonna be gigantic. It's gonna be like that. Wait, I want to tell you, Willie, that. That I said to Jay on Sunday, we got a turntable, Scotty and I, for Christmas.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, two turntables and a microphone.

[Jason Bateman]

No, dude, did I tell you?

[Will Arnett]

I got a stack of wax here that I'm just looking to put on somewhere.

[Jason Bateman]

No, seriously, it's so fun. We put it on at night, and we just listen to, like, soundtracks or whatever. Like, I haven't listened to vinyl since I was a kid. Can you.

[Will Arnett]

So even when you're on vinyl, you're listening to Star Wars?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Jason Bateman]

And E.T. even when you're on a record, soundtrack.

[Sean Hayes]

He'S got a vinyl of the same. Star Trek and Star Wars.

[Will Arnett]

Hey, Sean, when TikTok went dark, did you and Scotty make your final promises to each other and start.

[Sean Hayes]

Can you imagine Sean and Scotty putting on a record, putting the needle down the record and just dancing around the house there just like. They don't care.

[Will Arnett]

They're not dancing right. They're going like, E.T. this is the part. Remember when Elliot gets on his bike and he puts them in the basket?

[Sean Hayes]

Do a dance for that.

[Will Arnett]

Do a dance for that. Totally. This is when he goes. And he's in the closet and he puts his finger out and he says he. He won't go. Do you remember that?

[Sean Hayes]

All right.

[Jason Bateman]

Shaky hands. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Today. Today we've got a guest who's just. Just starting to get a little momentum in show business. We're excited to have her here at the beginning. So far, she's off to a good start, though, with the singing stuff. She sold over 90 million records, she's got 50 billion streams, and she's got a couple of Grammys. What are you talking about? Yeah, with the acting. Latest films just gone past 700 miles. What? She happens to be the seventh most followed person on Instagram with 700 or, sorry, 376 million followers. And she's got a cosmetic line and fragrance line that's earned just over a billion. Wait a minute. So she's got a little bit of wind at her back now she's stopping by for a little advice and encouragement from us geniuses before she officially gets out there, gives it a go. Please give an incredible hello to the incredible Ariana Grande. Come on out.

[Ariana Grande]

That's just very silly. Hi, Ariana.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, my gosh, this is exciting.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm so happy to be here with you guys.

[Sean Hayes]

I am happy you said yes. Wait, where are you?

[Jason Bateman]

Ariana? New York.

[Will Arnett]

Big cat. Jb, what did you do? What?

[Sean Hayes]

Very expensive guest right here, guys. So use your time.

[Ariana Grande]

I love you all so much, and I love the show so much. I am so happy to be here.

[Sean Hayes]

Very nice to say that even for a podcast.

[Jason Bateman]

You look gorgeous. I mean, even just for showing up.

[Ariana Grande]

Thank you.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, you didn't have to.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my God, it's so nice. How are you? How is everyone? How are you guys?

[Sean Hayes]

Everyone is good.

[Ariana Grande]

We're all right.

[Will Arnett]

We're all really good. How are you? Is more to the point. My gosh, you got so much going on. How are you?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I'm good. I'm currently in London and I just got here, so I'M I'm just. Yeah. Adjusting to the time.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. The jet lag's no good.

[Ariana Grande]

No, it's like, it's fine. You know, you get to a point where you're just kind of like whatever. Whatever needs to be will be.

[Sean Hayes]

I feel like it's worse coming back, right? It's worse coming back to the States.

[Will Arnett]

No, no. From LA to London or any. Anywhere in Europe is the worst on the planet, I think.

[Ariana Grande]

And then coming back is really fun because then you're in a morning person for a while.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, Right, right, right.

[Ariana Grande]

I love that.

[Jason Bateman]

Did you just get in there today?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, we just got here, so I'm excited.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Ariana Grande]

This is like a very fun way.

[Sean Hayes]

To start the trip, but let's start there. So, like, you're okay with the amount of things you take on and the way you fill your day? I mean. Or I mean, I guess I should put that in the form of a question. Are you okay with it? How much. How much time do you sort of allocate to just hang?

[Ariana Grande]

I mean, I feel really grateful for the balance that I have found. I am. I mean, this whole Wicked journey has been quite different for me and it's been obviously full steam ahead, but it's been so beautiful and so fun. I really feel like maybe when I was younger and it was like sort of during my first few years as a pop star, I really struggled with boundaries and not being able to say no when I needed to. Cause if I was running on empty. But I really do feel like I've been able to find a balance and also like a team who's really protective and amazing and I love it. I really feel like I've thoroughly been able to enjoy this Wicked insanity. I feel so present and grateful and that's been so beautiful.

[Will Arnett]

Well, Sean, you had a tough time with Banners when you first were introduced to. Right? To Oreos like you.

[Jason Bateman]

I still do. I have to have him locked away. There's a lock on the door. There's a lock on the door.

[Ariana Grande]

So dumb.

[Will Arnett]

So dumb. So dumb. So dumb. Oh, there's lots of dumb here.

[Jason Bateman]

Where do we get Ariana? What if this was your. What if this was your press junket for this sequel to Wicked right now? You just started now.

[Ariana Grande]

I love it. Where does it end? Where does one end in my life?

[Will Arnett]

You'd be like, why is it so low rent? Everything was so. We love. By the way, we love Wicked. We love the great Walt Platt. He's a friend, a long time friend. And love Mark and all the People involved with it. And you guys did an amazing job.

[Jason Bateman]

Incredible tears. Real tears in my eyes.

[Sean Hayes]

And you've already. You've already shot the second one, right?

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. Second one is done. We haven't seen it yet.

[Sean Hayes]

Really?

[Ariana Grande]

It's done? Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And it comes out maybe like this time next year I have seen it.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes, the same time next year. So November 22, but next year I.

[Jason Bateman]

Have seen it and it's not good. Ariana, you're barely even in it.

[Sean Hayes]

All your stuff can be reshot. I don't want you to worry about it. Okay?

[Ariana Grande]

We got to keep telling me. Thank you for having my back.

[Sean Hayes]

So then you're set to start that junket, like, in a few months?

[Ariana Grande]

I mean, I suppose so. I think maybe there will be a little bit of space in the summer. Let it breathe for a second. But it's very exciting. I mean, the response has just been so insanely not what you expect or ever would.

[Sean Hayes]

I know. Could you imagine ever if it was just a big turd and you already. You had the second one already ready to go and you just knew you had.

[Ariana Grande]

But that could still happen. God forbid. But, you know, you never know. I'm just kidding.

[Sean Hayes]

I've done that. I'm sure we all have. Right? We gotta talk about something that just didn't work.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, so, Ariana, the last time I saw you was Hairspray Live.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Jason Bateman]

And we would share a trailer and you told me the funniest stories. I cannot repeat.

[Ariana Grande]

We would giggle.

[Will Arnett]

Wait, wait, go back, go back. So the last time we saw each other.

[Ariana Grande]

Hairspray Live.

[Will Arnett]

Try not to slur your way through your words, Sean, was where?

[Jason Bateman]

HairSpray live on NBC.

[Will Arnett]

HairSpray live. Okay, thank you so much.

[Sean Hayes]

And you were sharing a single trailer or we were in a double banger.

[Jason Bateman]

No, the hair and makeup. Hair, makeup.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, gotcha. Okay, so.

[Will Arnett]

So you did. I didn't even know you used to do her hair and makeup. So talk a little bit about that.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my goodness.

[Sean Hayes]

Were you just doing a blowout?

[Jason Bateman]

I think she looks so good.

[Will Arnett]

Ariana, we did it. We did a weird talk show in the UK, like 10 years ago. Do you remember that? At the same day.

[Ariana Grande]

Wait, no.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

What? Wait, what weird talk show did we do?

[Sean Hayes]

It was Caddy Man.

[Will Arnett]

Yes.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Which. With the drink. With the drink cart.

[Will Arnett]

And like, I think I. Oh, my God, that's right. It's back when I really leave an impression.

[Ariana Grande]

It's not you. It was the boundaries, remember?

[Will Arnett]

Maybe. Was it. Was there bad.

[Ariana Grande]

It was. I'm Missing a couple of years. I'm super serious from that time. I'm literally missing a few years.

[Will Arnett]

You were. Well, so let me remind you, it was disgraceful, your behavior. No, no, no, no, no, you were great. You were great, but no, no, you were great.

[Ariana Grande]

Okay, good.

[Will Arnett]

You were great. But what I wanted to. So. But we met at the time and you were. How old were you when you first released your first record as a pop star?

[Ariana Grande]

I think I was 19 when my first single off my first album came out. Or 20. I was either 19 or 20.

[Will Arnett]

And had you been making music since you were a kid? And then that was.

[Jason Bateman]

She was in the musical 13.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm blown away. Yeah, I was a total theater nerd. I did Broadway first when I was 14, and then I was acting for a little bit, but I was always simultaneously writing songs and doing music. I just never expected it to kind of take over the way that it sort of did in, like, you know, a beautiful way. I just think there was no way to kind of prepare for that especially. Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

So you were a theater nerd, and then you were like, oh, wait a second, the world wants me to be a pop star. You just kind of went that way for a while.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes, I mean, I was. I am a theater nerd through and through. And. And, you know, this very insane journey with music kind of took over my life for a very long time. And it was extraordinary, but very challenging and very not what I expected it to be in certain ways, but so beautiful and gratifying in others. And, yeah, it was just crazy because when I was younger, especially after doing 13 on Broadway, I was kind of like, how cool. I get to be part of the theater community. I can't wait to be like, you know, the understudy for the Thoroughly Modern Millie revival and maybe be in the ensemble on the days when I'm not being the swing. And then I'll do music on the side and hopefully someone will listen to it. And that can be like a little side thing and hopefully someone will be into it.

[Will Arnett]

These are all things that are on Sean. Yeah, it's all on Sean's vision board. You just named everything that's on his vision board.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, then, speaking of theater, then musical theater was there. What was it the first time you saw Wicked on Broadway was that.

[Ariana Grande]

I mean, it was life changing. It was literally life before and after seeing Wicked. My life in two chapters.

[Jason Bateman]

Did you seen it with Idina, Menzel and Chenoweth?

[Ariana Grande]

I did. I was very spoiled. I can't believe I got To I saw it with the original Broadway cast.

[Sean Hayes]

When was that?

[Ariana Grande]

And I was 10 years old. It was in. Yeah, 20 years ago.

[Will Arnett]

20 years ago.

[Ariana Grande]

21. 21 years ago. Wow.

[Jason Bateman]

Crazy.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, it was crazy. I mean, it changed my life. I was so.

[Jason Bateman]

And it's gotta be so surreal, like. Yeah, seeing that and then now you're in it, like Glinda. Wow.

[Sean Hayes]

So then, can I ask then, was, did you hear that they were making a movie of Wicked and you threw your hat in the ring?

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. That's putting it very lightly. I was stalking Mark Platt. Like, I actually was like literally in the bushes outside his house. No, but I wasn't. But maybe I was. But no, I was on tour. I was on the Sweetener tour and I had heard murmurs of, okay, this thing is gearing up to happen. And I told my team, I was like, hey, we're gonna have to have a plan. I don't know what to do. But if God forbid, if God forbid I'm still on the road when this thing starts happening, we are gonna have to like, you know, refund some tickets, pay everyone working on the tour to just like, you know, here's whatever, go away. I have to figure this out. I have to, I have to give my everything to this. And I have to start training. I have to make sure I'm in classes to train my voice every day and with an acting coach every day just to get back into it. And also, Glinda requires a whole new skill set that I didn't have a connection to anymore because I was on the road for 10 years and I was just like, I have to make this my full time gig. I have to do everything in my power just to get a chance to earn it. I want to make sure that when my audition, if I get an audition, that I'm fucking ready with everything.

[Sean Hayes]

Did they make you audition to like.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I mean, of course. It's wicked. Of course.

[Will Arnett]

Of course.

[Sean Hayes]

This weekend would you have to do like a self tape or did you.

[Jason Bateman]

Go in there in person on your phone?

[Ariana Grande]

I mean, it was such a. It was a thorough experience, as it should be. I mean, I think, you know, there's just so much that is required of Glinda that's so different from what I used to do.

[Will Arnett]

I AM Ariana, I'm 5 foot 6, I'm from New York and this is my first.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow.

[Ariana Grande]

Five, six. Do I present five? I wish. Oh my God.

[Sean Hayes]

Wow.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait for that. What's amazing?

[Will Arnett]

You're five, six presenting.

[Ariana Grande]

Five, six presenting. No.

[Jason Bateman]

What's amazing, though, about what you just said about having to audition and show up and show your. I was just blown. Everybody knows you can sing and sing really well.

[Ariana Grande]

Thank you.

[Jason Bateman]

But to be able to legit sing like that, like, you, like, we both go. We both see Eric Vetro. Eric taught me how to sing. And he coaches you, and he's wonderful. He's the greatest vocal coach ever in the world.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes. And to watch you, like, I was talking to Jason and Will about the athleticism of your voice and Cynthia's voice and, like, what that requires. I'm watching you on screen, like, breathing with you, like, as you. And then the legit, like, diaphragm. Like, the power you have is so incredible and you can't teach it, you know?

[Ariana Grande]

Thank you.

[Jason Bateman]

That is. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

You just think of something. Sean, Arianna, is there a. When you're dancing and singing at the same time, do you constantly have to monitor not running out of breath because you're dancing? Like, you need the breath for singing, but you also need to. You're like, you're exercising with dancing, too. Is that a challenge?

[Ariana Grande]

Well, yeah, I thought I. It's just kind of something that you build up to. So there's a lot of physical training. There's like, you know, whatever you can do cardio, Pilates every morning. Then before the rehearsals, hopefully, it feels, like, a little easier. Like, the more you do ahead of it, the more it's easier to, you know, singing on the treadmill.

[Jason Bateman]

Do you sing on the treadmill to get used to it sometimes?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I do.

[Will Arnett]

But, you know, I was thinking that, like, all that training that you did, again, you started in the theater and then you kind of, you know, became this huge pop star but maintained that love for theater. I wonder if. And I'm asking, I guess being on tour and singing and performing in front of big, huge audiences must have been all those years, turns out, was maybe great preparation. Was it?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. It's funny because I feel like it's like, yes. But also I feel like working with Jason Robert Brown at The age of 13 was my preparation for that. I was like, oh, my goodness. The only reason I can keep up with this tour where I'm singing all of these songs live for two and a half hours every night or however long it is or whatever it is, that it's very demanding. And then traveling on a dry bus or in a dry plane or whatever it is. And the only reason I can keep up with that, I credit to being on Broadway. So it goes back and forth kind of. It's like just this stamina that I am so grateful that I got to build at a young age because, you know, Jason gave me the hard. Like, I couldn't. I love Jason Robert Brown, because he is like, can you do that? It's like, I don't know. And he's like, you got it. And it's just like, okay, great. I'll figure it out.

[Jason Bateman]

Because he said, you got it.

[Will Arnett]

You got it.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, yeah. It's like a second longer of a note than you think you can hold. Or a higher note. One note higher than you think you can. You can sing. And he's like, perfect. You take that harmony. And I think that trained me to be able to do the singing that I was doing. And then it went back and forth, I suppose.

[Jason Bateman]

And forgive the term legit, because it's all legit. Even pop singing is legit.

[Ariana Grande]

But no, I know.

[Jason Bateman]

You know what I mean. Different.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Do you want to do more of that? Because I'd never seen you do that until Wicked. I'd never seen you sing legit like that.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, you know, it felt really wonderful to kind of have a little surprise, and so it was really special for me.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And we will be right back.

[Jason Bateman]

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[Sean Hayes]

Backing up a little bit. The start of your career was great. So you do like this big musical on Broadway. You start doing some acting and that really takes off as far as kid success goes. Like you're killing it because you're on a big series, I think on Nickelodeon perhaps. And all the while you're thinking and dreaming and trying for some singing as well. And that's really the passion. And your team is probably, I'm assuming, kind of supportive. Yes. But not really sure. Well, should we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Can we do both? Like, what was the thing in singing? What was the big success that gave you comfort and your team comfort that you could kind of transition away from Acting a little bit more and really pursue this musical career.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, I think it just kind of. I followed it in a way because, you know, I was. The whole time I was Cat on Nickelodeon, I was also writing like pop R B music on the side. I would go from set to the studio and I would be like making these songs that I was probably too young to put out yet. And, you know, it was just a funny, interesting thing. And I. I remember there was a blurry time when Nickelodeon kind of wanted the music that I was writing to potentially be for the show. So there was a moment where I actually, like, put out a song with a red hair. And it was very like kind of in the Cat Valentine mindset. Cause I didn't know if I was supposed to be myself yet or not. And then someone that I was very close to that was very supportive and a really, really, really loving, wonderful person in my life was like, hey, they're gonna love you as you with brown hair singing RB inspired pop. And, you know, just fucking wing it and put that out. And I did. And it was really cool. It was cool to see the people not know the connection or discover that and then realize the connection and they accepted you. It was just cool. Yeah, it was scary, but cool. And I've learned a lot along the way. You know, it's weird, right, what you've done.

[Will Arnett]

And again, like, you've, you know, you've done so much in this, you know, in the music space and the acting space and the combo with the musicals. And now, as Jason said when he introed you, you're getting into other businesses and cosmetics, I guess, and a lot of other things, like, you're taking on a lot of. Are those other things giving you that same. Are you getting that same sort of like, hunger for success in those other areas? Are you finding them rewarding getting into business and doing stuff like that? Has that been a fun experience?

[Ariana Grande]

It's definitely been a fun experience. And I definitely love creating in all capacities and storytelling in any capacity. I like, I really do love my fragrance and my beauty brand. And that stuff is like. It's really fun. And I think it's a totally different part of my brain. My mom is a CEO and she's very much a business person. My dad is an artist. So I think I kind of sit exactly in between the two of them. And these two parts of me are very hungry in very different ways. And I enjoy it. I enjoy creating. But I think obviously my loves of my life are acting and music. It's like, not even a comparison. I feel grateful for, like, every area in which I can be a creative person who, like, makes stuff, but it's not necessarily the same, but it's something I love very much, you know.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, when you said earlier about with the. With the music, you weren't really sure if you were allowed to be you. And this is a weird question, but, like, with all of the success that you are having and have had in all of these different areas, all of those things can be really affecting on who you are, obviously to the public, but really who you are internally, because they can kind of pull you and push you into areas of yourself you would like to be or areas that you really didn't think that you were, or at least the perception of you. So, excuse me, how are you managing keeping a natural sort of progression of who you are, who you would like to be, as far as letting these outside things identify who you are And. Does that make any sense?

[Ariana Grande]

No, it makes total sense. And it's also something that I have to be so protective of because I think, like, as an artist, the most important thing is authenticity and kind of making the records that I want to make or making.

[Sean Hayes]

And talking about the things, singing about the things that mean something to you, right?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, totally. But, you know, I also. I also am like a cancer and a recovering people pleaser. And I, like, in the past. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hi.

[Will Arnett]

Hello, recovering people.

[Ariana Grande]

I am, I am, I am. I wish there were a group. Oh, my God. A meeting.

[Jason Bateman]

Let's start. Just me and you.

[Ariana Grande]

Let's go, please.

[Will Arnett]

Hang on one second. So, Jason, pleasing people is something. Okay, how do you phrase this? But no, I think that is such a great term.

[Ariana Grande]

But it's true. It's such a thing that we have to fight to protect as people who, like, have a connection with our listeners, our fans, and also remaining true to ourselves and what's in our hearts. And I feel like I've been doing a really great job at that recently, but it's just such a. It's such a hard line to walk. It's like, no, I'm gonna write the songs I wanna write. I have to make the album that I want to make, and I have to kind of tune as much of the noise out so that I can just be an honest person, which has been hard work, especially when you come into it at 19. Sorry.

[Jason Bateman]

No, that's great. You know, I was thinking too, like, total, by the way. Exact same person.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm long winded. I'm like, so long Winded. Sorry.

[Jason Bateman]

No, same.

[Sean Hayes]

No, that's what you're for.

[Jason Bateman]

No. Yeah. And we're gonna cut all of it out. So the. I'm kidding.

[Ariana Grande]

My whole. Just my whole presence. Cut the whole presence.

[Jason Bateman]

No, no.

[Will Arnett]

Get ready. Sorry. He's gonna ask you questions, so get ready to think of your favorite colors right now. Go ahead, Sean.

[Sean Hayes]

Or something. Something weird happens.

[Will Arnett]

Something weird happened in the theater.

[Jason Bateman]

Go.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Anybody ever get lippy in the audience?

[Will Arnett]

Oh, my God. I could talk to you for seven, 17,000 hours about that. Go ahead, Sean. Then do it.

[Jason Bateman]

Good. No, Ariana, like, in the back of your head, get, like, a great theater story ready. Because I love those, like, things that go wrong. Like, I have so many of them, but.

[Will Arnett]

I still did it anyway.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, well, you get it ready. So I want to talk about, like, getting. Do you have a. What is it like with the. How do you handle the ups and downs of being. I hate saying this, but relevant, because, for example, like, Taylor Swift, like, I don't remember anybody talking about her five, six, seven, eight, nine years ago. I mean, sure, she had many, many fans and she was very famous and popular, but she wasn't like, she is now. And it goes up and down and up and down for everybody in this entire entertainment business. And so for me, I've always been a huge fan of yours, but Wicked. Really, like, oh, my God, there's Ariana Grande and she's. And everything. And it's not that people didn't think that when you had an album come out or a tour come out, but the ups and downs when you're quiet. Yeah, there's like, how do you. Yeah, there's those spikes. How do you handle or what do you do during the low spikes?

[Ariana Grande]

I don't know. I mean, I try not to look at spikes or for them or monitor them or. Like, I kind of tried to. I think I'm a person who, like, wasn't meant to be famous, but I love the art of making and creating so much that I think, like, my insatiable need to just kind of make things and create and try to push myself to grow in different directions and, you know, learn new things and see what spikes will come. Yeah, I just. I kind of try to focus on that as much as possible, and I think it helps me survive. Otherwise, I really think if I paid more attention that I would, like, not. I would go away. I think it's just too scary.

[Sean Hayes]

Chase it. Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Well, you're adding layers to it, too, which is really cool. Like, you're Adding different dimensions to one. What you do. So it's like people can't just go like, what is Ariana Grande? They're not, like, they gotta keep up just a pop story. No, she's an actor.

[Ariana Grande]

That's such a scary thought to even think. Like, oh, what are they thinking right now? Like, the healthiest thing for me is to disconnect as much as humanly possible. Of course I have like the Internet and I'm on my phone, you know, I, whatever, love Instagram, but, you know, I'm a person who tries to maintain a healthy distance from it because I think it's like the same thing. I would tell, like a young person who's like, what do you do when you hear, like, no, all the time. Those spikes feels like, feel like big nose again. It feels like I got, I didn't get a call back for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and I'm eight years old or something. Like, it's the same thing.

[Will Arnett]

But as you add, but as you add those, as you add those layers and you have those moments, what are the things then now as you kind of look forward and go, like, okay, I've done that. Like, what are the, what are the new, do you have new targets?

[Sean Hayes]

How do you define success nowadays?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah. Exactly how do you find success?

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my goodness. I, I, first of all, all of you have to answer this, this hard ass question after I'm done. Everyone has to answer. We're taking turns. This is the first official meeting of People pleasing recovery.

[Sean Hayes]

I'll bet it's somewhere around like, are you able to maintain happiness and calm and harmony each day amidst so much complicated, challenging and kind of stuff and noise?

[Ariana Grande]

I suppose it's like, yeah, yeah. I mean, amen to that. I mean, how can we find that balance, maintain that balance? But also, like, is the work that I'm taking on something that can challenge me, that I can grow from, that I haven't done before, that I'm learning from, that I'm giving like, to the character in the same way that it's maybe gonna teach me or feed me, I don't know.

[Jason Bateman]

And maybe success is the experience of creating and not the result of.

[Ariana Grande]

Right, totally. Maybe it's like, I don't think so.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. I mean, it's probably true with anybody on the planet, no matter what industry or occupation they're in, if you can maintain happiness each day. Because it's such a, it's such a slippery thing. Right, jb?

[Will Arnett]

But we, jb, we talk about it all the time, which is this notion of I look, we have the benefit, I'm going to say benefit of being a lot older than you are. And I think that for me in the last couple years has been really eye opening in the sense that I, first of all, I don't measure. My personal success is not a reflection of what I do professionally. So how I feel is not a reflection of what I do. I've really been able to separate those things up because I try as hard as I can to not be at the effect of circumstances. If I'm only happy if it's sunny out, then what the fuck happens when it rains, then I'm fucked. So I gotta figure out a way to be happy no matter what. And those are sometimes, sometimes just the smallest things. And family, we all have kids, you know, so it's, it's like my relationship with my kids, my, you know, if my kids are happy, then I'm happy. All that kind of stuff, those are the things that really come to the forefront and become important. My relationship with my friends.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. Stuff you can control.

[Will Arnett]

Stuff you can control, but also stuff that's really, that's for real important. You know, my relationship with these guys is very important. Staying connected, talking about what's going on, all that kind of stuff and everything else when you, when you kind of. Right. Size, all that other stuff, it feels so much better. I don't know if you guys agree, but it does for me for sure.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I fully agree.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. And Ariana, I know you didn't ask for this, but you have gotten it because you are seemingly such a kind and easily likable, lovable person, not to mention your success. But the youth really looks up to you and follows you. And so how do you manage that of, you know, responsibility that again, you didn't, you didn't sign up for, but you've got it. Do you think about that, like when you're writing lyrics or when you're taking on, you know, roles or does any of that factor in?

[Ariana Grande]

No, I mean, yeah, I mean, here's the thing.

[Sean Hayes]

Probably not an effort because you're just naturally sort of a decent person and they're gonna follow a good example.

[Ariana Grande]

I mean, that's very generous and kind. I just feel like it's kind of an, a really specific and strange thing to become a public person at like a really young age and then to have kind of all this normal growth that happens in everyone's 20s and young teen years and whatever it is in front of an audience and in front of people who, you know, don't have to have every mistake that they've ever made flashed in front of them and like, reminded every two seconds. It's like, it's in interesting. It's like a funky thing. But, you know, all we can actually do is grow and like, be human, become more and more human. I think in the face of being dehumanized and objectified, we can just become more and more human, I guess.

[Will Arnett]

Well, that's, that's interesting. Other, again, it sounds like there's like some kind of international incident going outside.

[Ariana Grande]

Your hotel, but they're gonna find you.

[Will Arnett]

But, but, but, but you bring up a, that must be interesting. In a very unique situation in, in. And something that's been talked about and obviously JB was a, Jason was a performer when he was young and grew up, grew up in that world as well in a different way.

[Sean Hayes]

But singing and dancing and dancing his two.

[Will Arnett]

If you want to, if you wanted Jason to die on the spot, tell him he's going to sing and dance and he will expire in front of you.

[Sean Hayes]

Give a toast.

[Will Arnett]

While giving, yeah, giving a toast. But, but Ariana, to grow, to grow, to go through your 20s with that kind of scrutiny. Talk a little bit about that. I, I, I, I can't imagine. I think about you guys, think about all the dumb you did in your, your 20s. And then imagine growing up in this world in the digital era where where everything is, People got an opinion on it, it gets broadcast.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, yeah, people got phones to record you when you're not looking and.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, it must be really hard to get your head around it and all of it.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I mean, I'm a very sensitive person, so I can't say it's something that I have done particularly well with.

[Will Arnett]

Well, it's okay.

[Ariana Grande]

But it's also something that I have had the help of, you know, my loved ones and therapy and time and art and just like a love for, and also like a deep sense of gratitude for what I am so privileged to be able to do. Like, that has kind of gotten me through it every time I kind of experienced that, like, I just kind of had to disconnect, I suppose, for a little because, you know, again, back to the cancer people. Pleasing. There was always a part of me that wanted to kind of explain or do a big, you know, come talk to the world and come talk to everyone about what the truth is and whatever it is. And I'm experiencing that whatever. Or explain things and over share, you know, for the sake of Being understood by a humongous thing of strangers. And it's just a strange thing to feel at such a young age. And what is the boundary there and what's a healthy relationship to it? And how do you protect yourself for the sake of being able to continue?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, continue. And just to live.

[Sean Hayes]

For what it's worth, from the outside, you know, it seems like you've done a fantastic job with that, you know, I agree.

[Ariana Grande]

That's so nice.

[Jason Bateman]

And speaking of continuing, you know, like.

[Will Arnett]

Shawn does not agree.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I don't agree.

[Will Arnett]

Sean does not agree.

[Jason Bateman]

And he didn't want to actually just text me. Ariana, I texted you a bunch of thoughts, so. No, but speaking of continuing, like, what I love about you, amongst many things, is your ability to surprise people with choices and things you do. So you have. So you go from Broadway, then you go to a pop. Be a pop star, and then you're an actress and then you do all of these things. But one of the things that was so surprising was I don't think anybody knew how unbelievably hilarious you are. Are like, like. And. And your Saturday Night Live, I. We like, died laughing. And your Jennifer Coolage impression, like, all of your impressions are so incredible how where in the world nobody knew you could do that. And so it's like, if we don't know you can do that, imagine the next hundred things you're going to do over the next, you know, 50 years or whatever.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Bateman]

I'm so excited. Can you give us a little Jennifer Coolidge? Hey, Jen. What?

[Sean Hayes]

Jennifer? What?

[Will Arnett]

Why would she visit with us real quick?

[Jason Bateman]

Why weren't you on the White Lotus, the sequel?

[Will Arnett]

What?

[Jason Bateman]

The White Lotus, Jennifer.

[Ariana Grande]

They killed me off. They pushed me off a goddamn boat.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, my.

[Will Arnett]

It's so good, right?

[Ariana Grande]

I didn't want to. I didn't want to die, but I guess I'm dead.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, my God, that's creepy. Close your eyes. So good.

[Jason Bateman]

I love her too. Shit, that's fucking.

[Ariana Grande]

Wow.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, my God, Sean, that must make you want to have talent, right? I mean, just hearing her.

[Jason Bateman]

All I want is a hot dog. I can't do it.

[Sean Hayes]

Jesus Christ, Ariana. So that reminds me of the whole voice thing. And like, what. What is the weirdest thing you do to prep your voice when you're about to go do a concert? Or like, are you, like, breathing a bunch of, like, ste. Are you gargling milk? What?

[Will Arnett]

Maple syrup and honey?

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my God. Never.

[Sean Hayes]

What goes on?

[Ariana Grande]

No, no, I. Well, okay, so different. Different things. Call for different kind of routines and tools. I guess this is like, I feel like. So I. I don't know. I feel like a nerd. But, you know, if you're. If you need the extra, like, you can have a little vocal box where there's like all of the lozenges and sprays and hydration things and whatever. But that's most. If you're like fatigued or have a cough or whatever it is. I don't usually. I don't know. Usually I can jump in. But I think the thing that I do that perplexes people so much. And it's just so funny because, like, if you're a person who uses their voice, you know about this, it's like, if I have a long day of press or if I have to sing, I'll place it a little higher. So I'll change my vocal placement to kind of preserve. But that is just kind of something that's healthy for the voice and whatever. That's something I.

[Sean Hayes]

Because staying higher gives less stress on it than talking in a lower register.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. So it's just like basically pitching your voice a tiny bit. That's what I do.

[Will Arnett]

I do the same thing.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's just a normal thing for vocalists. But people are like, that's not her natural voice. And I'm like, well, it is actually, but it's just a little higher because my precious. All of it is natural. And it's so funny because we talked about it a zillion times and people are still like, where's your real voice? And I'm like, well, they are all. They all are. So it's just interesting.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Do you sing every day?

[Ariana Grande]

No. Sometimes. I mean, casually. Yeah. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm kind of insufferable to be around. Cause I do sing all the time. Every day. And yeah, the answer is yes, not no. Answer's yes.

[Jason Bateman]

I sing in the shower all the time. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I wouldn't dare. All the time.

[Will Arnett]

What do you sing, Sean?

[Jason Bateman]

I sing the national anthem.

[Will Arnett]

Can we get a little taste of it?

[Ariana Grande]

Can we have.

[Will Arnett]

Go ahead, Go ahead, Sean. Just a little bit.

[Sean Hayes]

The water trying to get back.

[Will Arnett]

I want to hear that. That's how it goes.

[Jason Bateman]

Bursting in it.

[Sean Hayes]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Sean Hayes]

Speaking of routines, walk us through a typical day for you. If nothing's on your plate, you have a completely free day. Are you one that sleeps in? Do you like to read? Are you watching dumb movies? If you got nothing on your plate, what's the day look like?

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, I love this. I loved it. Well, I, I love to wake up early. I do. Like, if, if I need it, I feel like my body will tell me. And I get like one sleep in a month. Like the whole month is relying on this one day where my body just decides that it's going to sleep and then it sleeps. You know what I mean? Like a really, a really scary slumber. Like, knock, knock. Is everyone okay? Okay. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good, I'm good.

[Sean Hayes]

Otherwise you're up at the crack of ice.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. I like to get up and I like to do my steps. I like to pace on the treadmill with my little iPad. And I either like, I'm playing a game, a virtual game, or I'm texting my team and like, whatever. I'm very creative when I'm on the treadmill. So I have ideas and Nice. And I'll send like crazy voice notes to Christian Breslauer, the director that I work with on all my music videos. I don't know. I always have ideas on the plane. I'll either be texting him or my, my stylist Mimi, or my team will be like, oh, my God, we forgot to talk about this. I wanted to talk about this. It gets my brain going. I love to get my steps done early and then I'll hang out. I'll either like, you're laughing at me already. I haven't even said anything. I like to cook.

[Sean Hayes]

Cook. What do we.

[Will Arnett]

On the treadmill.

[Ariana Grande]

She likes to cook on the treadmill. I like to cook on the treadmill.

[Sean Hayes]

What's your go to? What's your go to? Dish. What do cook Best.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, I'm vegan, so I like to make. Yeah, I love to. I love to roast, like, mushrooms of different variants and make like, a vegan pesto and make, like, why you hate mushrooms.

[Sean Hayes]

I like it so that I don't eat mushrooms.

[Will Arnett]

I can't eat mushrooms.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, you're not invited.

[Ariana Grande]

Sweet potatoes. I love to try.

[Sean Hayes]

So then you can have pasta as a vegan, right?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. Yes.

[Sean Hayes]

So then you're doing the pesto with the pasta.

[Jason Bateman]

I'm back in.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm back in. Yeah. But I'm Italian, so we have to have, you know.

[Sean Hayes]

Do you spend any time over there in Italy?

[Ariana Grande]

No, no, actually, I haven't been since I was on tour. And I would love to in a, you know, more meaningful because I get to have more time way because so.

[Jason Bateman]

Much is required of you every day of your life in so many areas. Are you a germ freak? Are you like, I can't get sick. I can't get sick.

[Ariana Grande]

I am a little bit of a germ freak. I do. I do maintain the mask stuff.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, you do?

[Ariana Grande]

I love a mask. I've always been a little bit of a germ person. A little bit of a. A Like a OCD germ person. Not like, more with mask than it is, like, obsessive compulsive purelling, but like, just kind of. I like to stay.

[Jason Bateman]

Or like, when you go in an elevator, do you take your sleeve and press the button with your sleeve?

[Ariana Grande]

No, that's like, it's not that far. But I also, like, would do that. Now that you mentioned it. I'm gonna start doing it tomorrow.

[Sean Hayes]

Wait, what about. What about bare feet on a hotel floor?

[Jason Bateman]

That's Jason's.

[Ariana Grande]

I can do. I can do that.

[Sean Hayes]

But also, I'm sicker than you.

[Will Arnett]

I said. I said to Jason, we were just on. We. We were just on vacation. And he was like, of course. Every time you sit down to eat with Jason, he sits down, he orders, and then he gets up and he leaves, and he comes back and he's holding his hands like he's going to surgery like a surgeon does. He's washed them. And then he says, like, oh, did you sit there? You got your hand? And I go, do you. Is everybody else here? And there were like 20 of us. I go, is everybody else falling down on the ground sick? Is everybody. Got it? Do we all get infected? You might.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, you might today. You might.

[Ariana Grande]

I am scared. It is a scary thing to me with all of the travel and all of the.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, it's a Lot. Now, speaking of masks, I bet you really enjoy the anonymity of walking around with a mask. And you can get away with it now because masks are so sort of ubiquitous. Right? So, yeah. So are you. Have you taken, like, a big risk with a mask lately? Like, have you done, like, the. Like, gone to Disneyland with a mask on? Yeah. Or murder. Cause you could walk into a really, really huge public place that you probably otherwise wouldn't be able to get through.

[Ariana Grande]

Wait, do you want to know my secret? I do it all the fucking time. I literally walk around for hours and hours and hours whenever I'm off. That was my next part of my schedule that I was going to tell you on my off day. I meander and I shop and I walk and I go and I go to the movie theater and I see movies and I wear, like, a little hood and a cap, and I'm just like, I. I have to be able to, like, otherwise I'll fall apart. I really love it. And. And then also, like, I really do enjoy meeting people. So, like, you know, it's fine. And I love it. Like, it's, like, really nice. I met the cutest waiter the other day. He was so sweet. And he had a little tattoo, a little sweetener tattoo. It was, like, made my day. I love meeting people, but I.

[Sean Hayes]

So did you pull the mask down and go, hi.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, I didn't have a mask on that day.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, wow. But no, he was just like, but.

[Will Arnett]

I do, like, but do you give people that treat, like, you're in a store and, like. And you're like, they're helping you, like, oh, this person's cute. And pull the mask down. Give them a little treat, like, look who it is. And they're like, oh, my God.

[Ariana Grande]

Well, first of all, I don't always have a mask on. I just mean, like, if I'm like, you know, meandering around Broadway.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will Arnett]

It's the best. I'm here now. And I was walking around, I went, got coffee, and they asked me to put a mask on. Oh, yeah, yeah. They said, cover it.

[Ariana Grande]

We don't want to see you. That's so sad.

[Sean Hayes]

So then what's next on the dream board for acting?

[Ariana Grande]

Wait, I never got to tell you my thing about the masks. And I said. When I said, but. This was the. But I've always loved masks. I think they are so cute. And, like, I used to sell them as merch on my tour with, like, a little moon on them because it was, like, a cute thing that me and My fans, like, always wore. And it was, like, a cute thing, and it was, like a fashion thing. We liked it.

[Jason Bateman]

That's cool.

[Ariana Grande]

And then when the pandemic happened, all of my fans were like, we are prepared. We have plenty of these.

[Jason Bateman]

We have moon masks. Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. Thank you. Sorry. That was what I was saying.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I love that.

[Sean Hayes]

Good. I love that. Next. Next up is an acting wing or a music thing. What do you think? Or can you talk about it yet?

[Ariana Grande]

I would love to. I would love to continue acting. That's my. That is my. I feel so connected to it. I really would love to find the right thing that challenges me in a new way. I love it so much. I think it's. I love it for different reasons than music. I mean, it's just so nice to kind of take a break from playing yourself like a caricaturized version of yourself that isn't really yourself, but it kind of is because parts of it are in the songs. So it's just a confusing little thing. And I think what a, like, cool thing it is to find characters that you can kind of jump into and.

[Sean Hayes]

Right. Which. Which are other parts of yourself at the outer reaches. Yeah.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, I suppose. I mean, you can heal little parts of yourself through them and with them and for them that you didn't know needed to be looked at. Because when you're, you know, finding commonalities.

[Sean Hayes]

Comedy versus drama, do you lean one way or the other, do you think?

[Ariana Grande]

I love both. I think, you know, Glinda had a. The biggest gift of Glinda is that there's a little bit of both. You know, especially with, you know, part two, you get to see more of her and get to know more of her, and she goes through a little bit more. But, you know, it's. The combination is really special. I think I love roles that have room for all of it, and that's what I love so much about her, is that the comedy plays so well because it's just truth, and underneath, it is a very real person with very real insecurities and fears and things, and it just gets to live there. So hopefully both. And if I'm lucky, both in one, you know?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. I think it's. Sean, you've already. I have always thought that you should try coming comedy because you know what I mean?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. Give it a shot, buddy.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, you should.

[Jason Bateman]

I'm gonna really. Well, you know what? Thank you for the push. Thank you for the push.

[Sean Hayes]

Take an improv class or something. Just to sort of see.

[Will Arnett]

That would be a really good exercise for you there.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, should we do one now? Give me a place.

[Will Arnett]

Let's do one.

[Jason Bateman]

Give me a place. And what about.

[Sean Hayes]

What about. What about the What. What about the music video?

[Will Arnett]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Sean Hayes]

All right, Adam, do you love getting involved with the music videos and the whole design of them and the concept of them and the shooting of it and all that?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I love the. Yes and one.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my God. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I really feel like I found my, like, my, like, lifelong music video collaborator in Christian Breslauer, who I just started working with for the Eternal Sunshine Era. He did? Yes. And he did We Can't Be Friends. He did the Boys Mind. He did all of those things. And not that you have any idea what those are, but, you know, I just plan on continuing with him forever. You know, when there's something to do, it will be with him. I love him, and I love it. It's so collaborative. We speak the same language. We love all the same references. Like, we just kind of were destined to meet. You know, when you meet, like, a creative person and you're like, where have you been my whole life? And it's just kind of this cosmic color collision.

[Sean Hayes]

But, like, so when you're in the recording studio and let's say you're. Let's say you're not in the recording area, whatever that's called, but you're back where the. Where the. Where the board is with all the slidy things on it. Do you love sitting there and playing with those slidy things? Yeah. Or do you like being on a. Or do you like being on a movie set and, like, talking about lenses and. Or. Or the shiny stuff? Do you like both of those. With those workplaces evenly?

[Ariana Grande]

Fuck, yes. I mean, well, I have different relationships to them both because I feel like with acting, I love to just kind of be the character and go away and not have, like. I don't want to know what the playback looks like. I don't want to know or be aware of what my face is doing or my body's doing. I just want it to happen, and then hopefully it'll make sense later, which is a huge risk. I realize I'm saying that, but also, you know, I just don't want to be aware of it because I just want to be honest. And then if I'm judging what I look like or my whatever, I won't have the ability to just be a character, and that's my own thing in my head. But with vocal producing, I'm like, it's my favorite thing in the world. So, yes, the sliding thingies, of course it's my number one favorite thing to do. Even more so than singing is vocal production and comping vocals and stacking and vocal arranging. I'm like, a huge nerd in that way. So I.

[Sean Hayes]

So what about, like, taking on a young performer and producing that performer and making he or she, you know, really slow?

[Ariana Grande]

Love being able to vocal produce. Literally, like, that is just a dream. Like, if someone calls me and is like, I want you to record me, I absolutely have done it. Will do it. Love it. We'll take that call any day. I got to actually wait. I have a fun story. I got to vocal produce some of the Wicked soundtrack. I got to vocal produce Cynthia and some of my stuff, too. So that was really cool and such a treat. And to anyone who questions the live element of the vocals in Defying Gravity, in that second verse, when she's going up the stairs in Defying Gravity, if you solo that vocal, you can hear her little boops on the stairs.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, wow.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, wow. That's amazing. Yeah, it's so cool that you guys sing it live. It's crazy.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. Heaven on Earth is being able to sift through a bunch of Cynthia Erivo vocal takes. You know what I mean? Because it's not about finding the good one. It's about finding which perfect, amazing one is the choice that you.

[Jason Bateman]

Did you hear that thing that was going around for a while that on New Year's Eve, if you started watching the movie at a certain time by midnight, you would hit the.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes. I saw several videos of that.

[Sean Hayes]

I read that will right. On the website.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, I saw that too.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

It came up on your feedback. I was about to, and Sean cut me off and took my fucking remember with the New Year's cause. And I was like, right at. He was like, whoa. And I was like, why'd you miss it?

[Jason Bateman]

Why'd you missed out? You missed out.

[Will Arnett]

You missed out.

[Ariana Grande]

I know.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, so, Ariane, I don't know why I'm remembering this, but one of the cutest, greatest things you ever did this is 10 years ago, when we were around. 10 years ago, we were doing Hairspray live. We were sitting there in the makeup trailer, and you said to me, and.

[Will Arnett]

You said, just a little off the top. Just a little off the top.

[Sean Hayes]

Just tease up the top a little bit.

[Ariana Grande]

I'm so scared.

[Jason Bateman]

No, no, you said. You turned to me and you said, hey, there's just few of us going over to My house after. Later on tonight we're going to get totally wasted and sleep over. Wait, and then sleep over. And in the morning my mom's going to make us pancakes. And I say that. Yes. And that was so sweet. You invited me and I turned to you and I go, ariana, he said, yeah. I go, I'm 45 years old.

[Ariana Grande]

That is.

[Jason Bateman]

That is so sweet though. It was so sweet.

[Will Arnett]

You said, I'm 45 years old. I'll see you for the pancakes.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, yes. I can't believe that that's how I would have ever said anything ever. And I actually do remember that cast party that was like so funny. And I remember, like, yeah, can you.

[Jason Bateman]

Believe that was almost 10 years ago? Isn't that wild?

[Ariana Grande]

It was a long time ago.

[Jason Bateman]

And I just wanted to bring up that your boyfriend is one of very good friends. Yes.

[Ariana Grande]

He loves you so much.

[Jason Bateman]

I love him too. Ethan Slater. He's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet in your life. He did. Goodnight Oscar with me in Chicago.

[Sean Hayes]

Come on.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes. And then he was in Wicked. Yeah. And now you guys are dating and I love that because you guys make a perfect couple.

[Ariana Grande]

Thank you. He's amazing and he loves you.

[Sean Hayes]

What part did he play?

[Jason Bateman]

He was the PA Guy with the, you know.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

But Ariana, next time you're on or whenever I want to hear a horrible theater story gone wrong in 13 or some other theater, because they're my favorite stories. I have a thousand of them.

[Ariana Grande]

I have some.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, tell me one.

[Sean Hayes]

We've got time for one. We got two and then we're gonna let you go.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, no, that's totally fine. I realize you all probably have like a heart out of like right now.

[Sean Hayes]

No, no, no.

[Ariana Grande]

You don't feel like I'm having tea with the dames and I'm in having.

[Will Arnett]

No, no, no, it's yours.

[Ariana Grande]

But no tea with the dames. So my best friend Aaron Simon Gross, who I actually grew up in Boca with, and he and I auditioned for 13 on the same day together and we both got cast, which is like never happens. Crazy. He was playing Archie and he. Which was the character in the show and he was. He has these spontaneous nosebleeds that are just really cool. Yeah. But it's, but it's like, it's the kind from like a scary movie. It's like not. It's not good.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, wow.

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, yeah, it's really. It's aggressive and it's not the kind of thing that is like aggressive Nose punch. Yeah. You know when you see something and it takes you out of body for a second because it's, like, not supposed to be happening at all. So he's in the wings waiting for his entrance. And we used to have this cute moment in the opening number where I was on stage and we were like. I would sing one of the lines into the wings. We would, like, lock eyes and have a cute little moment. Hi. And then go back to the choreography. And I one day, because it was right before his entrance, so I'm like. And I like, look over to lock eyes with Aaron and do the choreography his way. And then I turn back and I see him covered in blood. Just covered in blood. And I was like, oh, my God. And he had to enter and get through his entire first scene.

[Sean Hayes]

Was he aware that he was bleeding?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, he was looking at me like he was like. Had no idea what to do. And also his character, he was using crutches in the role and he couldn't wipe himself.

[Will Arnett]

Did the audience gasp?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah, they were like. And then when they realized it wasn't a part of the plot at all, that this just, like, blood covered man was entering. And then he was singing. And he's like, singing. And he's like, there's the cool kids, there's. And he's like, singing his first number, spitting blood onto Graham Phillips, who's playing the lead role. It was just like the craziest thing. And it never ended.

[Jason Bateman]

That's a good one.

[Sean Hayes]

Did you try to help him out?

[Ariana Grande]

There was nothing to have.

[Jason Bateman]

How.

[Ariana Grande]

Just how right I had to exit.

[Jason Bateman]

One time. I was at the end of Promises, Promises. Thank you. I would.

[Will Arnett]

Thank you.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you.

[Will Arnett]

We usually. No, we'll create space and put the applause in there.

[Jason Bateman]

We were coming out. Me and Kristin Chenoweth were coming out for our bows, and we would do the same thing. We'd be in the wings from opposite sides of the stage and lock eyes before we'd come out and meet at the middle to come downstage for our bow. And one night, the audience is clapping. Everybody's taking their. And where I'm supposed to see her, she's on the ground, passed out with her feet under the curtain like the Wicked Witch of the West. On the house. Yes. And I was like, oh, my God. What? So I took my bow by myself. People are like, what happened to Chris? The audience was like, where's she did. She fainted?

[Will Arnett]

No way.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, no.

[Will Arnett]

You know what? The thing is, this just reminded me. This is true story. On Sunday, I Was shooting this thing in California, and we were at lunch and there were a bunch of us sitting around in the. The. In the trailer, and this girl works in costumes. All of a sudden comes out of the bathroom and she's going like. Like waving her finger. And my. And Eli goes, you can't talk. And she goes. And she goes back and I go, you can't breathe. And she goes. And I've never done it before. And I jumped up, I put my arms around her and three times. And she barfed on my hands.

[Jason Bateman]

And she.

[Will Arnett]

And it got it out.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, my God.

[Will Arnett]

I've never done it before. But it just. I was like, I think this is what you.

[Jason Bateman]

If you have to do it, like, aggressively. Or did you like. Yeah, because you got to get it out of there.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, I guess we can't count on Eli. He just was like, oh. And he just hit it.

[Will Arnett]

Well, he. And then when I grab her, he ran out to get the paramedic, and the paramedic came in and she was like, I'm fine now. And I'm like, covered and threw up. I'm like, she's fine.

[Sean Hayes]

She was choking.

[Will Arnett]

She was choking? Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, my God. Well, that's.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my God.

[Will Arnett]

It was pretty wild. I've never. I don't even know if I was really doing it right. It worked. Worked. But I didn't know what I was doing. And I thought, like, oh, I should learn how to learn that and learn cpr. Yeah. And I've been asking people in the street here if they want to do practice cpr, and all these dudes are like, no and whatever.

[Sean Hayes]

Can I get your number? I'll try later.

[Jason Bateman]

Scotty.

[Will Arnett]

But isn't that crazy?

[Ariana Grande]

Yeah. That's.

[Sean Hayes]

Surprised you didn't include that in coffee. Chat. Chat at the top of the episode.

[Will Arnett]

I forgot about it until we were just talking about crazy things. And I was like, oh, yeah, this just happened three days ago.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, on that note, Arianna, we hope you don't choke. Thanks for being on.

[Ariana Grande]

Thank you. Holy fuck. Thank you.

[Sean Hayes]

This was delightful.

[Will Arnett]

I hope I don't ever have to save your life, I guess is my point.

[Ariana Grande]

Oh, my goodness.

[Sean Hayes]

We'll see you in six months in London.

[Ariana Grande]

Yes.

[Sean Hayes]

Continued. Great luck. You are the best. Thank you for having me saying yes to this. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Jason Bateman]

Thanks. Continue.

[Ariana Grande]

Thank you.

[Jason Bateman]

And love to Ethan too, please.

[Ariana Grande]

I will. Love you guys. Bye.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you so much.

[Will Arnett]

Bye.

[Sean Hayes]

Bye.

[Jason Bateman]

Bye.

[Will Arnett]

Bye.

[Sean Hayes]

That was Ariana Grande. The Ariana Grande, A pure delight. Great. Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

She's so funny. Man, you know, that's what I said. Like, people don't know she's. How funny she is. Like, I mean, they do now because Glinda was really funny.

[Sean Hayes]

I can't wait for people to discover how funny you are. If you take that improv class and you get yourself an agent, I bet you get a guest spot or two or three, and then people are gonna.

[Will Arnett]

Say, hey, well, at the very least, I think you'll get an agent.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Can you.

[Jason Bateman]

Hey, guys, did you ever get this when you were younger? Can you hook me up with your agent? Right. Can you get me.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, no, but yeah, I would love to see her do tons more acting.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, I think that's what's gonna happen. I think she's gonna do a straight acting gig. Will be next, is my prediction.

[Jason Bateman]

Yep, Yep. And she's gonna kill it.

[Sean Hayes]

And she's just starting, right? She's 30, 31, something like that. Kind of all of that success already. Already.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

But has a great head on her shoulders, clearly. And seems well suited for all that's a coming.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. And you know what? A music. A great music production.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, hang on a second, Sean, you.

[Will Arnett]

Want to cut in with something because you're. You're ready to get on it, like, to get on the.

[Sean Hayes]

He's got a great one.

[Will Arnett]

I just thought maybe like, you know, if there's. Have you ever heard the expression, like, smell the roses or just. Just exist and not. Not act out in the moment to get stuff done as quickly as possible?

[Jason Bateman]

I thought that you were setting up, like.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, Shut the hell up.

[Will Arnett]

No, I'm teaching you a lesson.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you.

[Will Arnett]

Sean, what do you got?

[Jason Bateman]

I was going to. I was going to say what a musical that I'd really like to see her in, you know.

[Will Arnett]

Byebye. Birdie.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes, you.

[Will Arnett]

Sorry, I meant to say bye bye.

[Jason Bateman]

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[Will Arnett]

Bye.

[Jason Bateman]

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[Ariana Grande]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Ariana Grande]

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