"Brian Cox"

Summary

SmartLess Podcast – "Brian Cox" Episode Summary

Podcast: SmartLess
Hosts: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett
Guest: Brian Cox
Date: March 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features the esteemed Scottish actor Brian Cox, celebrated for his roles across stage and screen—including "Succession", "Manhunter", the "Bourne" series, and many more. The conversation is a lively, candid, and often hilarious dive into Cox’s early life, his new directorial venture "Glen Rothen", reflections on acting and directing, and behind-the-scenes stories from some of his most iconic projects. The hosts and Cox trade stories and insights throughout, mixing admiration, wit, and mutual respect.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Welcoming Brian Cox & His Directorial Debut

[07:21–08:45]

• The hosts introduce Brian Cox with a rundown of his awards and accolades.
• Sean reveals Cox recently directed the film "Glen Rothen", releasing April 17.
• Brian describes the film: a Scottish tale of two brothers in the whisky business, starring himself, Alan Cumming, and his own son as their father, to explore familial themes.

Quote:

“He was very tough and very scary as well.” — Brian Cox on his son’s performance ([08:41])

• Cox distinguishes this as his debut in film directing, noting his approach: egalitarian and collaborative, contrasting with authoritarian directors he’s known.

On Directing vs. Acting: Collaboration and Trust

[08:49–16:12]

• Cox shares admiration for directors like Lindsay Anderson, citing the importance of trust and autonomy:

  “The best director I ever worked with, unquestionably on film, was Lindsay Anderson.” ([09:48])

• He critiques directors who micromanage performance—a sentiment echoed by Will Arnett:

  “There’s stuff that happens in between action and cut that you just can’t micromanage.” ([13:13])

• Cox stresses empowering each department and crew member:

  “Once you say, ‘do it this way’, you put a block up… So I didn’t do any of that.” ([15:32])

Cox’s Upbringing: From Dundee to the World Stage

[17:59–22:35]

• Sean leads Cox to recount his childhood in Dundee—his father’s early death, mother’s nervous breakdown, and being raised by siblings.
• This independence was unexpectedly liberating:

  “It’s a tragedy in one sense… but I was liberated. No one was telling me what to do.” ([19:25])

• Cox connects his social and political leanings to observing poverty in his hometown:

  “Socialism is not communism. Socialism is social welfare, taking care of people.” ([20:57])

Discovering Acting and Early Influences

[22:07–32:04]

• Inspired by cinema—Dundee had 21 local movie theaters after WWII— Cox was a self-declared movie addict.
• A local theater director, Bill Davis, invited him to voice classes taught by Kristin Linklater, a pivotal influence.
• Attended LAMDA (London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art); recounted humorous and formative backstage stories.

Theater Anecdotes & One-Man Shows

[29:14–34:04]

• Favorite stage roles include Conor McPherson’s "St Nicholas", a complex one-man show.
• Shares a wild story about performing for two ex-girlfriends accidentally seated opposite each other, forcing him to restart the play ([31:16]).
• Discusses the intimidating challenge and rewards of solo stage performance, including the use of earpieces for line prompts in later years.

Admiration for Sean, Will, and Jason’s Work

[34:30–36:15]

• Cox praises Sean Hayes’s piano work in "Goodnight, Oscar" and the emotional impact of seeing his friends perform live.
• The hosts bounce self-deprecating jokes about each other’s musical and acting abilities, underscoring their camaraderie.

Film & TV Highlights: The Bourne Series, Manhunter, and Succession

[36:32–41:55]

• Sean lauds Cox’s roles in "Manhunter" (original Hannibal Lecter) and as Ward Abbott in the "Bourne Identity" films.
• Cox shares backstage tales, such as Doug Liman’s creative approach (directing Matt Damon’s stairwell stunt) ([38:21]).
• On "Succession", Cox reveals he felt from the start that the show would be a hit:

  “I knew. I just knew. I knew this was going to be one of the biggest shows of all time.” ([39:48])

• Praises the cast, especially Sarah Snook and Matthew Macfadyen; reflects on the manageable schedule and camaraderie.

The American vs. British Entertainment Worlds

[41:59–47:19]

• Cox splits his life between London and New York; reflects on both cities’ artistic cultures.
• Discusses the allure of American cinema and opportunity:

  “Cinema is an American invention, you know, you can’t deny it.” ([45:23])

• Recounts how seeing Albert Finney in "Saturday Night and Sunday Morning" gave him hope to pursue acting.

Voice Work: McDonald’s, Uber Eats, and the Craft

[48:18–53:41]

• Cox talks about his second career as a voice artist for brands like McDonald's and Uber Eats.
• Reflects on being recruited for the iconic "ba da ba ba ba" jingle, and how his training enabled him to bring nuance to commercial reads:

  “That was Kristin Linklater. That’s why I went to Lambda.” ([50:22])

• The trio riff on the quirks, demands, and sometimes absurdities of commercial voiceover work.

Reflections, Career Advice, and Embracing New Challenges

[55:59–60:50]

• Sean asks what drives Cox forward after such a decorated career:

  “Creating the next job. The next job.” ([56:43])

• Cox encourages Jason Bateman to trust himself more as an actor:

  “You’re so gifted, you’re so talented, and you should trust your talent more than you do.” ([58:23])

• The trio discuss their own creative ambitions, with thoughtful advice and gentle teasing.

Closing Thoughts

[61:13–61:27]

• The hosts express deep appreciation for Cox’s candor, humor, and mentorship:

  “Brian, you have mentored us all with your talent for so many years. We are so grateful for you coming on here.” — Sean Hayes

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “I’m too old, too tired, and too talented to give a [bleep].” — Brian Cox ([14:36])
• “What I was determined to do with the movie was to everybody give their talent… Not to say, do it this way, because once you said, do it this way, you’ve put a block up…” — Brian Cox ([15:32])
• “Socialism is not communism. Socialism is social welfare, taking care of people.” — Brian Cox ([20:57])
• “It’s a tragedy in one sense, losing your mom and losing your dad… but I was liberated.” — Brian Cox ([19:25])
• “There’s stuff that happens in between action and cut that you just can’t micromanage.” — Will Arnett ([13:13])
• “I knew. I just knew. I knew this was going to be one of the biggest shows of all time.” — Brian Cox on Succession ([39:48])
• “You’re so gifted, you’re so talented, and you should trust your talent more than you do.” — Brian Cox to Jason Bateman ([58:23])
• “If you want me to bum, yeah, sing is a different (pay rate), Sean.” — Will Arnett, joking about commercial voiceover ([53:45])

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Key Timestamps

• 07:21 – Brian Cox introduction and new film "Glen Rothen"
• 08:41 – Brian discusses casting his own son
• 09:48 – On favorite directors, especially Lindsay Anderson
• 13:13 – Discussion on performance and directing control
• 14:36 – Famous “too old, too tired, too talented” quote
• 17:59 – Sean asks about Cox’s childhood
• 20:57 – Cox on socialism and American misconceptions
• 22:35 – Discovering acting and movie obsession growing up
• 29:14 – Backstage story from Dundee Rep and LAMDA
• 31:16 – One-man show, ex-girlfriends anecdote
• 36:32 – Discussing roles in "Manhunter" and "Bourne"
• 39:48 – “I knew” Succession would be a hit
• 48:30 – McDonald’s and Uber Eats voiceover stories
• 58:23 – Cox mentoring Jason Bateman (“trust your talent more”)

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Tone & Style

• The conversation is irreverent, warm, and insightful, blending comedy with genuine respect and curiosity. Cox is characteristically blunt and direct but equally affable, often poking fun at himself and the hosts' grasp of theater history. The episode is a showcase of shared experience and admiration across generations of actors.

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For Listeners

If you’re new to Brian Cox or want to understand what makes him one of the most respected actors of his generation, this episode is a masterclass in craft, humility, and comedic timing. It covers everything: his creative philosophy, brushes with poverty, how to survive (and thrive) in both art and commerce, and why even legends like Cox still get excited— and nervous— about the next role.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Brian Cox]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Brian Cox]

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[Brian Cox]

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[Brian Cox]

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[Brian Cox]

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[Will Arnett]

You know, Will, I'd love to do a podcast with you today, but I'm a little sore about something, you know, I've noticed in the past, you know, you do, like a fake countdown for stuff.

[Sean Hayes]

Yep.

[Will Arnett]

And you will stop after three, and you won't go all the way.

[Sean Hayes]

We've been through this before. We did it on a previous call.

[Will Arnett]

I don't think I've ever mentioned this to you before.

[Sean Hayes]

In a five.

[Will Arnett]

It may have come up on a cold open once.

[Sean Hayes]

Welcome to Smartless. Now I'm. No, I'm going silent from four down.

[Will Arnett]

Welcome to Smartless.

[Sean Hayes]

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[Jason Bateman]

How did everybody sleep? We just saw each other 10 hours ago.

[Sean Hayes]

Really?

[Brian Cox]

Well.

[Will Arnett]

Good.

[Brian Cox]

Oh, good.

[Will Arnett]

Why? Do you have a story about your sleep?

[Jason Bateman]

No, I was good.

[Brian Cox]

It was.

[Jason Bateman]

It was okay. It was okay.

[Will Arnett]

No, but wait, did you have the mask on last night?

[Jason Bateman]

No, I don't sleep with the mask.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, you don't do the hose? The hose and the.

[Jason Bateman]

The. No, I stopped that. It didn't really work. Don't cover your mouth when you sneeze.

[Sean Hayes]

By myself.

[Jason Bateman]

I know. Just practice.

[Sean Hayes]

No, because then. Because then I just get my sleep

[Jason Bateman]

because you're going to be on camera.

[Will Arnett]

It gets all over the Laura Piano, huh?

[Sean Hayes]

Beautiful, beautiful Laura Piano. But sent me this beautiful jacket.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I like them actually I, or him or whatever. Do you I, I did take a value to sleep like a cup. Look at him go. I don't know, sneezing.

[Will Arnett]

Will, did you get into the bottom of a bag last night? Are you all out? You have somebody on their way over?

[Sean Hayes]

It's, I don't even know. It must be the AC in this room or this is it the.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, you got a whole junk if they get.

[Sean Hayes]

When was the last time you guys saw Don in New York City? I tell you, it's amazing. It's just so full of promise.

[Will Arnett]

This Don in his van.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I love going out for beers for breakfast.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh my God, I can't.

[Will Arnett]

Sean, what did you do last night?

[Jason Bateman]

Scotty and I. Oh, I, I ran the show. I, I, I have to run the line so that takes a couple hours and then, and then he did about

[Sean Hayes]

a pound of sloppy Joe's by the way.

[Jason Bateman]

I totally had a sloppy Joe higher at 10 o'. Clock. That's crazy you just said that.

[Sean Hayes]

Not much of a, it's not much of a stretch or a leap for me to go, I really did have a sloppy joe.

[Will Arnett]

Did you put it together yourself or was it left over from the, the, it was left. Kitchen help you have.

[Jason Bateman]

It was left over. But it's funny that you say that because I remember yesterday when I was like I'm eating lunch at 2:30. 2:00 clock or 2:30. So that's why I had a sloppy joe at 10 o'.

[Brian Cox]

Clock.

[Will Arnett]

But then what did you, what did you have at your 230 late lunch?

[Jason Bateman]

I had another fried chicken salad.

[Sean Hayes]

You had a chicken salad?

[Will Arnett]

No, no, fried chicken.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, fried chicken salad. So they took what? They took the lettuce and the chicken, they threw it all in the fryer. What happened? Everything gets fried in that scenario. Even the bowl or. And then, and then we saw. So you had the fried, you had

[Will Arnett]

the fried chicken salad for a salad,

[Sean Hayes]

right Sean, you had this, you had this snickerdoodle at 11:30. Yeah, right. The big one that you kept going in and out of the bag to keep it fresh was your logic.

[Will Arnett]

That's exactly right. Well, you're fried chicken at 2:30.

[Sean Hayes]

So then at 2:30 you have the fried chicken salad with. What did you drink?

[Jason Bateman]

What was your beverage at that milk with every meal.

[Sean Hayes]

At the lunch.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

At the restaurant.

[Jason Bateman]

No, no.

[Sean Hayes]

Did they look at you. Did they say? Did they say. Is there a child coming to this lunch?

[Jason Bateman]

No, it was here.

[Sean Hayes]

We don't see the kids. We don't offer stuff. We don't have a kids menu.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, but here are the crayons. But.

[Sean Hayes]

So you have that at 2:30 and then you're trying to tell us. You're trying to tell us that you have the fried chicken lunch, fried chicken salad and that nothing. You had nothing else until you had the Sloppy Joe at 10:30.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, that's true.

[Will Arnett]

No dinner, nothing.

[Sean Hayes]

Nothing.

[Jason Bateman]

No snack, no nothing.

[Sean Hayes]

No candy. You didn't graze. Go by the candy jar?

[Brian Cox]

I don't think I.

[Will Arnett]

Candy bowl.

[Sean Hayes]

I don't think I did. I don't think I did. Is a real soft way. It's an entry into. You know, actually, what was it? Just be honest.

[Will Arnett]

No, maybe I had just a Milky Way.

[Jason Bateman]

I maybe had a couple starbursts.

[Sean Hayes]

A couple of starbursts. There we go. So you wanted to get some plastic in there.

[Will Arnett]

He needs some binding, something to bind up that sloppy Joe.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, forget about rice.

[Brian Cox]

Wow.

[Jason Bateman]

Anyway. Anyway. What?

[Sean Hayes]

And you're. And you're like, I can't. I can't figure it out. I don't.

[Will Arnett]

So tired all day.

[Sean Hayes]

I actually my sleep's fucked up. It's so weird.

[Jason Bateman]

No, no.

[Sean Hayes]

What'd you have? Let me run you through it. None of it adds up. Let me run you through it. I tell you what though, Sean. I tell you what, does that up.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

The acclaim for our guest. He has been nominated for four Golden Globes.

[Will Arnett]

Is that right?

[Sean Hayes]

And he's won one. And he's been nominated for countless SAG awards. I think like seven. Won a couple of those. Won an Emmy nominated five times bafta. He's been nominated like seven, eight times. One, two.

[Will Arnett]

Qualified guest.

[Sean Hayes]

This is a very qualified guest. Is a guy who. His list of performances is one of those guys that has its own page. You know what I mean? And has nothing to do with the length of time he's been on this planet, but just about the amount that people want him to be in their projects.

[Jason Bateman]

I love that.

[Sean Hayes]

I love him from everything.

[Jason Bateman]

He is just one of the guys. You're going to say we'll guess it if we.

[Sean Hayes]

You're going to guess if I say he is the original Dr. Hannibal Lecter. He's got a brave heart. He knows a little bit about the Bourne Identity. And he's also in line for succession. It is the one and only Mr. Brian Cox. Good lord.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

This is a Guest. This is a guest. Hello, sir. Good morning.

[Brian Cox]

Hello, Jason. Hello, Sean.

[Will Arnett]

Well done, Will.

[Brian Cox]

Nice to see you all.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, great to see you, Brian. Plus, I should mention also, Brian, that your new film that you've directed, Glen rothen, releases on April 17th.

[Will Arnett]

What's the name of it again?

[Sean Hayes]

Glen Rothen.

[Brian Cox]

It's called Glen Rothen. It's about. It's about a Scottish. It's about two brothers who are. They own this distillery. But one, the younger brother, who's played brilliantly by Alan Cumming. He's the one that was the real talent in the family. And I also play Sandy, the oldest brother, who is just a plotter, he's just a manager. That's what he does. And the other brother has had a bad relationship with our father. And I actually cast my own son as my father because I wanted him to see what it was like being a father.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, that's wild.

[Sean Hayes]

That's wild.

[Brian Cox]

So we did that and he was very good. He was very tough and very scary as well.

[Will Arnett]

Brian, this can't be the first time you've directed something, is it?

[Brian Cox]

No, I directed in the theater, but this was my debut as a film director.

[Will Arnett]

Okay, how did it go? What were you surprised with? And what.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, I was surprised that I made it. I don't mean I made the film that I made it. Through the whole shoot. It was a bit scary and it was a very odd situation to be in, you know, because I came from an egalitarian viewpoint. I wanted everybody to do their best work. You know, we've all suffered at the hands of various directors over the years and their conceptions that they wanted to include us. And I just want them to fuck off, basically. You know me about. With all of that. That you're all your ego stuff and control. And I just. I really. I'm. I. Some directors I really like, I've worked with some really good ones. But a lot of the time you go. The best direct. The best director I've ever. I ever worked with, unquestionably on film, was Lindsay Anderson. You know, the director Lindsay Anderson?

[Will Arnett]

I don't have him, no.

[Brian Cox]

You don't know Lindsay Anderson?

[Will Arnett]

No, no.

[Brian Cox]

I should get to know God Almighty. It's just a. Appalling. But you young people, you don't know.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, you just hang up.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, you.

[Brian Cox]

You live in a wonder world. I don't know. Anyway.

[Will Arnett]

Man or woman?

[Brian Cox]

Man. Lindsay is a man. He was a. He directed a very famous. Well, he directed a series of films. The first film I ever saw Was a thing called the Sporting Life with Richard. With Richard Harris.

[Will Arnett]

Okay.

[Brian Cox]

It's about a rugby team set up north, written by wonderful David Story, who's a great. Was. Passed away in a great writer. And Yeah, I mean, he was just.

[Will Arnett]

What made him great? What, what did you like about his style?

[Brian Cox]

He just gave you the right note. He gave you the right note. I mean, he would. He would come up and say to. We would do a scene and I. The. The play I did was with Alan Bates. Do you remember Alan Bates?

[Will Arnett]

To have a good name.

[Brian Cox]

Alan Bates, the actor Alan Bates. Yep, sure.

[Sean Hayes]

Yes.

[Brian Cox]

Sean, you know who. The actor.

[Jason Bateman]

Yes.

[Brian Cox]

My God, you guys training. You really do. Anyway, Alan Bates, who was famous in Zorba the Greek and you know, he did a lot of movies. Alan. And he played my elder brother and I played the younger brother. And Lindsay would come up with. He said he would come in and we'd go, ah, it's good, it's good. But there's a little bit of attitudinizing in the scenes. Can we kind of remove the attitudinizing and just play the scene? I mean, that's something. A simple note where you go, ah, I see what you mean. I'm striking an attitude that I try to hold onto throughout the scene.

[Sean Hayes]

Yes.

[Brian Cox]

Actually the scene reveals itself and the attitude reveals itself. And he was the first director to understand. Now, most directors wouldn't know what the fuck he was talking about. You know, they just don't have a fucking clue, you know? Sorry, I mustn't be.

[Will Arnett]

Had Lindsay ever done any acting, do you know?

[Brian Cox]

No. He starred in a magazine with a guy called Gavin Lambert called Sight and Sound, which was with the big first film magazine. Magazine that was made really after the war because he was. He was a war. You know, he was. He was at university post war. Yeah. And it was just extraordinary. I mean, the other thing he did was a film called if. I don't know if you saw that. That was a film with Malcolm McDowell, which is set in a public school. Boy. School. Public school. And then. And he did a film called oh, Lucky man, which was the follow up to that. So catch up buys.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Brian Cox]

Lindsay Anderson. I know.

[Sean Hayes]

I feel like I've seen if.

[Will Arnett]

Wait, Brian, you're thinking of the Ryan Reynolds John Krasinski vehicle.

[Jason Bateman]

I was just gonna say, you're right.

[Will Arnett]

Maybe the imaginary friend.

[Sean Hayes]

That was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. Brian, did you have. So when you ended up making your feature film. Debut. Directorial debut, did you Find that it shifted. Did you sort of retroactively, like, go back and kind of shift your opinion of directors and did it sort of even anything out?

[Brian Cox]

Well, I had more sympathy for them, but I still think a bunch of them are twats. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I mustn't be too. But I think you all agree with me. I think you've all been through that as well. You know those guys.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, it's always interesting. Like, you know, a director definitely needs to have a plan and, and pardon the term, a vision and all that stuff. But when it comes to performance, you realize that they think they can control it, but it is like one of the few lanes in making something that you can't control. You can't control performance, you can't control music. Like everything else you can kind of get in there and make a decision on, but performance and music, there's stuff that happens in between action and cut that you just can't micromanage. It's got to live, it's got to breathe. And that character is the actor's character. It's not the director or the writer's correct character. Like, you have to own it. And to be able to give the actor the kind of latitude to really feel like it's theirs, I think that frees up a really exciting performance as opposed to trying to get them to do the version of the character you always saw in your head, Right?

[Brian Cox]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, you know, I've suffered under that for the last 50 years or even 60 years.

[Will Arnett]

Well, you pushed through it very, very successfully. My God, the performances I've been able to watch you do, Brian, it's just an incredible career, let me just say. Than. Thank you.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I, I, you have done so many and, and you know, these guys know I go on and on about my. Some of my favorite films and you

[Will Arnett]

have one of the, one of. One of Will's favorite quotes too. About what? What is it? I'm going to paraphrase it here. I'm too old, too rich, and too famous to give a. Yeah, it's too.

[Brian Cox]

I'm too old, too tired, and too talented to give a.

[Sean Hayes]

So good, Ryan. I love that so much. I fucking love it. I love how you don't. And in the best way, you don't give a shit, but I know you do about the things you do give a shit about.

[Will Arnett]

Just the silly stuff.

[Brian Cox]

Exactly, exactly. Well, the thing that I was determined to do with the movie was to everybody give their talent, you know, the costume department, the Wardrobe department, I mean, that's the same. And the design of the film and the dp, you know, you just want people to do their best work. Not to say, do it this way, because once you said, do it this way, you've immediately put a block up for them to go, oh, I've got to do it this way. I can't do it. So I, I didn't do any of that. I just said, give me what you're giving me, Tell me what you want me to do. Tell me what you want to. In the, in the design department, Tell me what you want to achieve. And. And therefore, one had an incredibly happy crew. Probably a terrible film, but we had a happy crew.

[Sean Hayes]

No, but it's a true collaboration. I mean, you hired those people. People for a reason. Because you like what they provide an

[Will Arnett]

environment where they feel like, that's exactly

[Brian Cox]

right, Will, that's exactly right. And not enough of that goes on. We don't trust. We really don't trust. We don't trust nearly enough. And if somebody comes along and says, this is the design, you just say, well, let's see what you do and do what you want to do, do what you feel is right. And of course, you can modify and all that, but at least you're not impending them. You're not stopping them from being creative. Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, so for Glen Roth, and is it. Did that. Did you find the project or did the project find you? How did that happen?

[Brian Cox]

Well, it was a. It was. I didn't find the project. It's written by a guy called David Ashton. I Do, you know, we still do radio back. Would you believe I don't you know what the radio is? It's.

[Jason Bateman]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Brian Cox]

Anyway, we still. I still do radio back in the old country, and I've been doing a series for 20 years, which I go off and do for three days, and it's a series about an Edinburgh detective called McClevey. And it's been very popular. We get about a million listeners.

[Sean Hayes]

Wow.

[Brian Cox]

And that's. And David wrote this. And he. They came to me and a guy called Neil Zeiger, who's also a pal, and Neil said, you're going to be directing this film. And I've never directed a film. And I said, what? He said, you're going to direct the film. And I. And they said, and you could be in it. I said, oh, that's kind, and thank you for letting me be in it.

[Jason Bateman]

You can cast yourself.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, well, you know, you know, it's a wonderful, wonderful. There's a great comedian in Scotland called Stanley Baxter. And there's a great scene which he used to do when he played a little boy, you know, and also his grandfathers dying and his grandfather's looking out the window and saying, son, one day all this will be yours. From the hills to the river and all that land out there. And he goes on and on and on, and the wee boy says, you know, grandpa, that's an awfully big job for one wee boy on his own. So that was. That's what I was reminded of. How annoying. Awfully big job it is for one wee boy on his own.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, it's funny you mentioned that one wee boy on his own, because I was thinking about. You grew up in Dundee, Scotland. Born and raised in Dundee, Scotland. And now you're sort of, forgive me, as sort of a world famous actor, acclaimed actor. How did you go from that to that? What was that leap from your. What I've read are very, very humble beginnings?

[Brian Cox]

Oh, yeah. Well, my dad died when I was 8 and my mom had a. He was only 51. He had pancreatic cancer and he died when I was eight. And I had three elder sisters. I was the youngest and a kind of crazy brother who used to go off and disappear. And he was nine years older than me and I was the baby. And my dad died. And then my mom had a series of terrible nervous breakdowns which resulted in her having electric shock treatment, which, I mean, she lost about 60 pounds in weight. I mean, she was unrecognized. I mean, she was a little overweight to start with, but she was underweight. So I had no parents for most of my. I had my sisters. And I didn't realize it, but it was the best thing that ever happened to me. It's a tragedy in one sense, losing your mom and losing your dad. Certainly I was heartbroken, but I was liberated. No was telling me what to do. No was getting no parent.

[Jason Bateman]

How did you. You were eight years old when your dad passed.

[Brian Cox]

Eight. Eight.

[Jason Bateman]

And then your mom. And how old were you when your mom.

[Brian Cox]

Well, she died much later, but my mom went into. Almost immediately. She had a. She had a huge breakdown and she was just hopeless. And also we were. We were sending my youngest sister, actually my youngest of my oldest sisters. You know, she's 12 years older than me. And there were my two older sisters who were married, had children. I mean, I was. They were amazing. Just amazing what they did. But they did. They didn't look after me, but they looked out for me. Which was better than being looked after.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Brian Cox]

They made sure that I was okay.

[Will Arnett]

Did you find that you were making a lot of really good decisions, or did you make some bad ones and learn from those?

[Brian Cox]

Well, you just learn, you know. You learn, you know. I mean, I made good decisions and I made bad decisions, you know, but I made. But at least I could get the lie of the land, you know, what was going on.

[Sean Hayes]

But I imagine that Dundee, Scotland, at that time was. It was a tough place to grow up.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, yeah. It wasn't easy, you know, and it's a lot tougher now because we have the, you know, don't get me started, but we have. Sorry, I wanted to be more humorful on this, but you're fitting right in. No, what happened is that we have the highest heroin addiction in Europe in my hometown.

[Jason Bateman]

In your hometown, yeah.

[Brian Cox]

Because of the poverty. And it's all about poverty. And it's what makes me a socialist. Socialists. I mean, what I can't stand about this country we're in is how they confuse communism with socialism.

[Sean Hayes]

Sure, yeah.

[Brian Cox]

Socialism is not communism. Socialism is social welfare, taking care of the people. Communism is a dictate. So, you know, and I wish Americans would understand that. What the difference is.

[Sean Hayes]

Good luck.

[Brian Cox]

What a socialist is, you know, As a Canadian.

[Sean Hayes]

As a Canadian, let me say good luck to you. Trying to explain it to them, Brian.

[Will Arnett]

Well, they figured it out.

[Brian Cox]

Well, the Canadians seem to understand it rather well.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, we've got a pretty good understanding.

[Brian Cox]

No disrespect to either Jason or Sean, but, you know, Americans don't get it. They just don't get it.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, they don't understand. And I'm not. I don't consider myself really anything, but I do understand that we have. We have to take care. We're only as strong the idea. We're only as strong as our weakest link. And that there has to be a net, because once you. If there is not a sort of a social net, then the whole thing falls apart and it sort of decays from underneath. If you have a extreme poverty, which we do in this country, then the entire thing is resting. The foundation of our society is rotted from underneath, you know.

[Jason Bateman]

So, Brian, growing up there, you said it wasn't as bad, but what gave you the hope or the courage to seek something better?

[Brian Cox]

Well, I had two teachers. I mean, my education was a disaster. It was a technical education. I was supposed to be. I was trained to be a bricklayer, really, was what I was trained to be. I mean, I never laid A brick in my life. But, you know, but that's. That was supposed to be my destiny. And I thought, fuck that for a game of soldiers. I'm not doing that. I'm not that way. And I just wanted to be an actor. I wanted to be an actor since I was three, you know, and that was my desire, just to act.

[Will Arnett]

Where did that come from? Did you watch a lot of TV or.

[Brian Cox]

Oh, I. We had 21 cinemas in my hometown.

[Will Arnett]

Wow.

[Brian Cox]

Wow. Before the war we had 42 cinemas, but after the war we had 21 and now there's about four. And I visited every single cinema. And where I lived there was right angles to where I live. From up the street there was a thing called Ashley Stone Terrace and there was my church, the library, the Broadway cinema. And opposite that was the Royal and it was double features. So you'd go in at 6 o' clock and you would get out 11. So I used to go there all the time. Yeah. In fact, I'm surprised that my. When they were alive that they even noticed I existed, my parents, because I was in the cinema most of the time.

[Will Arnett]

Was it a form of escapism? Is that what brought you into the theater initially?

[Brian Cox]

No, I don't think it's escape. It's just joy. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't. I mean, I just got so much joy out of it, you know. And you live in Dundee, which was pretty heav going, you know, in those days. I mean, it's a great community, I mean that. But the city fathers always make a balls up, you know, they took people out of the town and they put them in these schemes, which is why they're still paying for it now. In fact, the Lord Provost said to me, you know, we're trying to get people back into the city. I said, you should never have taken them out of the city in the first fucking place. I said, that's so important. That's who they are. They're from that. And then you put them, you isolate them without any, any, any proper conditions, you know, and therefore the heroin, the drunks, that the whole thing just spirals out of, you know, and. And this is something that really gets me more and more and more.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

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[Will Arnett]

And now back to the show.

[Sean Hayes]

So then you have this love of cinema. You're going to the theater all the time. And then you went to. If I'm. You went to theater school in Scotland.

[Brian Cox]

I went to Lambda and. Oh, you went to Lambda.

[Sean Hayes]

Okay.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah. What was wonderful was I was. There was a guy called Bill Davis who ran. There was a series of directors at Dundee Rep. And the last guy was a Canadian called Bill Davis. Now Bill is a director and a writer in his own mind, lives in Vancouver. And also he. He's part of that Davis, you know, the famous Davis family who run a lot of theaters in Canada. And Bill was great. And he said. He invited me. I think I was just 16, if that. Anyway, yeah, I was just 16, and he invited me to a voice class and I'd never been to. I didn't even know what a voice class was. What's a voice class? He said, come along to voice class. And I went along. And there was this. He said, we've got this young woman who's coming up from London. She's just taken over now because the previous voice teacher, who was a genius, died. And this lady's taken home. And I said, who is this? She says, she's called Kristen Linklater. Have you heard of Constant Linklater? No. You see?

[Sean Hayes]

So we don't know anything.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, I'm surprised at how really ignorant you both are. Except the Canadian. I find the Canadian isn't ignorant at all. But you two guys are really deeply.

[Sean Hayes]

You're right on. You're right on the money.

[Brian Cox]

You're right on the money. You know, you sit there and wonder, going, yeah, yeah, we.

[Sean Hayes]

We're here to learn, baby boy.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Brian Cox]

So anyway, she was. Well, look up Kristen Laker, because she was. She sadly passed away. Her son is an actor called Heish Linklater. I don't know if you've come across him. And she. No, you don't. Know? Jesus Christ.

[Will Arnett]

What about, like, Taylor Swift?

[Sean Hayes]

Anyway, they think that you're making these names up.

[Brian Cox]

I know, I know. Oh, wait. And I think.

[Sean Hayes]

I think I know Hamish.

[Brian Cox]

That resonate button.

[Sean Hayes]

You guys know Hamish Linklater?

[Brian Cox]

I know, I know.

[Sean Hayes]

Who? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.

[Brian Cox]

God, the Canadian. He's so sensible. What is wrong with you? Two others.

[Sean Hayes]

My Google's faster, but I know exactly who. Hamish Linklater. So. So anyway, so. So that happens.

[Brian Cox]

So I go to. I go to Dundee. My first day in Dundee was a very funny day because I went up for my interview and I went up to the front of the theater and this woman in a very broad Dandorian eye says, what do you want, son? I said, I'm here for an interview. He said, ah, you cannot get into the front fe the front. You've got to go round the back to get to the front. You can get to the front feta back, but you cannot get to the front fe the front. So go round the back and then you can get to the front. I said, okay. So I went round the back and as I walked in, there was an almighty row, a fight going on between an actor. Now I'm going to say an actor's name, and you probably don't even know who the fuck he is.

[Sean Hayes]

But anyway, we've been pretty good, so

[Brian Cox]

you've scored brilliantly. Anyway, this actor was called Nickel Williamson.

[Jason Bateman]

If I had a nickel.

[Brian Cox]

We struck gold at last. Anyway, so I'm this Nickel Williamson and I'm always like that. And he's knocking you back. I'm making money.

[Will Arnett]

That is a great impression of him.

[Brian Cox]

And I'm trying to. To get past them to get up for my interview. And I'm 15 and I've never been in a backstage before. So I'm getting up and I'm climbing up the stairs. I get past them finally, and I'm standing on the landing and there's a wonderful actor called Gong Granger smoking a cigarette. And he looked at me and he said, are you all right, darling? And I went, that man just called me darling. I have never been called darling before in my life. This is clearly where I must be. I have to be in this place.

[Jason Bateman]

That's great. Well, I have to ask you, because I'm the person that always asks this, what's your favorite stage show you've ever done? And what's the worst thing that's ever happened on stage on Love Theatre?

[Brian Cox]

Well, the worst thing ever happened. And actually, one of my favorite shows I did was I did a show by. Do you know who Conor McPherson is? No. There you go. He's a very famous Irish playwright and he's had a few plays on Broadway. And I did a play of his called Saint Nicholas, in which I played a theater critic. It was a one man show. It was a wonderful show. Really, very, very funny, very inventive. And it's about this theater critic who becomes obsessed by this actress, and he becomes obsessed by her, and he follows her, and he follows it. The place he's in, he gives a bad review to in Dublin. And in his Persona non grata because of his terrible review, having flirted with this actress. And finally he follows them to London and he follows them to their home, and he nearly rapes the girl, but he doesn't. So he ends up being kicked out. And he eventually goes to work for vampires. He meets a vampire on Crystal Palace Hill. And this vampire says, if you could bring people to our house. And, you know, we like to suck blood, but we never kill. We just only suck. We don't kill.

[Sean Hayes]

It seems reasonable.

[Brian Cox]

And I said, that seems reasonable to me. But the idea was that he would allow me a space so I could write. And the whole point of it is the fact that he's wanting somebody to write the story. So I did this play, which was a really good play. So one night I come on and I start the play, and I look to my right and there's my ex girlfriend.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Cox]

And I think, what is she doing here? And then I carry on, and then I turn over and there on my other side was my ex ex girlfriend. And they're literally sitting opposite one another. And I'm completely thrown. And I just say to the audience, I said, I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, but I'm gonna have to start again.

[Sean Hayes]

No way.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, I said, I'm gonna have to start again because this is. This is. I. I can't explain what it is, but really, just please trust me. I. I will be better second time around.

[Sean Hayes]

That is way.

[Jason Bateman]

Did you see them? Did you see them after the show?

[Sean Hayes]

I did. Oh, my gosh.

[Brian Cox]

I did. And what happened was, after the show, they came on and they said, oh, that was lovely. We enjoyed it. Oh, and tremendous. And I said, why were you sitting to one of the girls, I said, why were you sitting opposite Irina? And she said, I wasn't. I said, you were. She said, well, I never noticed. I said, well, I noticed you were sitting opposite her and you're literally sitting right opposite. And I said to Arena I said, did you not. No, I never noticed. And I. So I went through agony for no reason.

[Sean Hayes]

And they had no.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah. And then that was it.

[Sean Hayes]

But that's the. Sean. It makes me think, Sean, you're about to do a one man show. Sean is. Sean opens. Well, it'll be on now, I think, by the time this airs. But Sean's doing a one man show off Broadway.

[Will Arnett]

What's it called? Shawnee. And what theater will it be in?

[Jason Bateman]

It's called the. Thanks, you guys. It's called the Unknown and it's at Studio seaview, which is 43rd and 8th Avenue. It's a. Yeah, it's.

[Sean Hayes]

But Brian, you'll understand, having explained, like doing a one man show. And I was talking to Sean as he's been preparing for it this fall and just getting off book, just learning the.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, it's like the way.

[Brian Cox]

That's another story.

[Jason Bateman]

Still not off book. Totally. And it's been thrown.

[Sean Hayes]

But you're pretty good.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Decent.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, he runs the show every day. You have to, right?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's scared. I'm scared shitless. I mean, we're recording this and I haven't opened yet. By the time this comes out, I'll have it open. So if I'm alive, I'll let you know. But isn't it.

[Brian Cox]

Send a postcard.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, but Brian, I mean, like the one man show thing, it's just. It's just. It's colossal, isn't it?

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, it is, it is, it is. I mean, I remember I came on one night and a guy. I walked on and a guy came on, he opened his program and he went. And I took the program out of his hand, threw it away, walked past him. I just took the program. I said, you don't need it only.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, but isn't it. I mean, did you ever go off, like go up on the line and. Oh, yeah, I said in rehearsal, I'm like, can I please have the script just off stage for emergencies? If I can't remember where I'm at, I just have to. I'm just gonna. There's nothing you can do. You just gotta walk off.

[Sean Hayes]

So you're just gonna dip off stage and take a look.

[Jason Bateman]

What are you gonna do? I mean, you know, I don't know.

[Sean Hayes]

What about a prompter?

[Brian Cox]

Well, I tell you what's great now. I mean, because I'm. I'm a considerable old age now. Well, I don't. I don't really think about that, but other people tell me I Am. No, no.

[Sean Hayes]

You wear it well. You wear it well. Yeah.

[Brian Cox]

Earpiece.

[Jason Bateman]

I know, I know, but I don't know. I can't imagine somebody talking to you while you're talking.

[Will Arnett]

But only if you go up. Maybe if you. Only if you go up, do they then talk to you.

[Brian Cox]

Well, the earpiece. I've done the earpiece a few times, and the thing about the earpiece is don't think about it as learning lines. Think about it as volition in the play that you want to keep it moving. So you want to keep it moving in a certain way. So this. Because when you get to my age, I mean, you know, your brain isn't working in the same way. It's a little slower.

[Will Arnett]

So.

[Brian Cox]

But, Brian, by the way, Sean, I just want to say I saw your show in London, by the way, and

[Jason Bateman]

I. Oh, I didn't know that.

[Brian Cox]

Thank you. Yeah, I did. I just saw it. And you were absolutely brilliant. That was an amazing show. But there is. I do have a funny story about it, and please don't be offended by the funny story. But anyway, so I'm sitting there and I'm watching this amazing evening, and I stood up and, you know, I kind of went, oh, Christ. Because it was so extraordinary.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you, thank you.

[Brian Cox]

And the guy, later on, the guy said. And she said, that was a wonderful man. Mime. I said, what do you mean? Oh, I said, the guy, the way he mimed to the piano. I said, that was him for real, you idiot.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. You know, people have said that and it's like if. If I were to mime it or like image, I'd have to imitate it perfectly with all the notes. So why not just play it?

[Brian Cox]

Exactly.

[Sean Hayes]

By the way. By the way, it would almost be more impressive if it was a mime.

[Brian Cox]

Right, right.

[Sean Hayes]

That's almost harder than playing it.

[Will Arnett]

Was there ever that discussion, Sean, to turn the piano such that the audience, some of the audience could see the keys?

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, well.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, I thought you'd say the other thing that they couldn't. So that. Because I did, I panicked. Before we opened, talking about Goodnight, Oscar and talk before I panicked, I was like, if something. If I hurt my hand or I can't do it or I get scared and I've been playing it too many times. Can we just run a tape? And I'll just fake it with the keys facing away, you know, Know.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

And. And the director's like, you're gonna be fine. I'm like, but you don't understand.

[Sean Hayes]

No, but you did record it, though, I. You did have it recorded.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, yeah. Just in case. And I never.

[Sean Hayes]

In case. Right, but you never. You never had to use it.

[Brian Cox]

I mean, I. Clearly, your. Your command was just dazzling. I mean.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you.

[Brian Cox]

That's right. I said. I said, you know, what have I been doing for the last 60 years? I'll be about.

[Will Arnett]

Well, Will and I went. Will and I were crying at the end of it.

[Sean Hayes]

Jason and I were crying and crying.

[Brian Cox]

Oh, yeah, I was crying, too.

[Sean Hayes]

I mean, how beautiful it was and how talented he was and B, how talentless we are compared to other things.

[Brian Cox]

Yes, I. I felt distinctly talentless having watched.

[Jason Bateman]

Did you see Black Rabbit? Did you see Black Rabbit?

[Brian Cox]

No.

[Will Arnett]

That's okay. Pushing through.

[Jason Bateman]

Fantastic.

[Brian Cox]

Pretty fantastic.

[Jason Bateman]

And. Or is this thing on with Will or not and Lord, you'll get around

[Sean Hayes]

to it all so wait, Brian, I wanted to talk to you. I wanted to get in before. Because this is one of my favorite films and. And film series, and I love the character of Abbott from the Bourne movies. I know. I thought. I think the people thought I was going to mention playing Hannibal Lecter, which you. Again, you are the original Hannibal Lecter in Manhunter, which I saw in the theaters. Great movie in the 80s. I loved that movie. And you were brilliant in that. Really brilliant. And I'm not just saying that, but I love. I'm such a Bourne fan, and I loved Ward Abbott and. Because there's a scene that you. There's so many great scenes. You're so great in those movies, but there's a scene where. Where the kid finds out that it's you that's done it, and he takes you down and he says, I figured it out. And then what they did was they have a light switch and blah, blah, blah. And the guy. And you go, okay. Yeah, you go, okay, run it for me again. And he does it again. And then you kill him in the most brutal way. And it's one of my. I remember the first time I watched it, like, oh, my. It was so shocking, you know, so walk me through the Bourne movies if you can. Just a little bit. Did you have a great. Was it a fun experience? Did you like it?

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, it was great. I mean. I mean, Doug Liman is probably the most eccentric director you could ever meet. You know, he flies a plane like this. He's extraordinarily eccentric, but gifted. You know, just like. He's got these flashes. Like there's a. You know, I can't remember which film. I think it's the first one. There's a sequence where. Where Jason Bourne falls. It's a. It's set in Paris, and he falls off and it looks as if he's going to kill himself, but he. He falls onto another actor who goes down and that breaks his fall. Do you remember that?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, of course.

[Brian Cox]

That was Doug's. That was. Doug said, why don't we do that?

[Sean Hayes]

That was in the first. That was the first one in that stairwell. In that huge stairwell in the middle of the exact.

[Brian Cox]

Exactly. And it was amazing. I just. I just couldn't believe it when I saw it. And I. And I thought, my God. But, you know, because it was very brave of Matt to do it, but it worked like a dream, and it was wonderful.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. Such a great series of films. I just had to bring those up because I love so, so much. And of course, because I don't wanna run out of time. And I know that people. Because this is a big area and people are gonna. We'd be remiss if we didn't mention it. And so forgive us for hopefully bringing up succession, which has been so beloved around the world. And talk a little. I mean, first of all, how did that come into your orbit?

[Brian Cox]

I just got a call one day to say that Jesse Armstrong was thinking about this piece and he would like to talk to me. So I got on the phone with Adam McKay, who was one of the executive producers, and, I mean, Jesse always wanted me to play the role, and I knew that. I thought, this is gonna be a hit. I just knew it was gonna be good.

[Jason Bateman]

You know, it's so funny to hear you say that, because we ask everybody, did you know it was gonna be a hit? And people are like, you never know. But I love that you just said, I knew.

[Brian Cox]

I knew. I just knew. I knew this was going to be one of the biggest shows of all time because.

[Sean Hayes]

Because the material was so strong.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah. And also, you know, just the part. I thought, wow, this is a great part, because it's. It's so. It's so. It's a received part. You know, he's not. He just comes in at the right moment and. And. And sort of. And. And then you've got this kind of real, kind of intellectual, kind of bandit that he is, you know, and it was just an extraordinary. But the cast. I mean, the cast was amazing. I mean, and to watch all the actors grow through the whole show and see the lovely Sarah Snook, you know, Roman, you know, I can never remember the names of the actors, but they're all so good.

[Will Arnett]

How did you like. How did you like the schedule of that?

[Sean Hayes]

Was it.

[Will Arnett]

Was it.

[Sean Hayes]

Was it.

[Will Arnett]

Did it seem just sort of relentless or was that since it was an ensemble, the workload was all shared and no one ever really got gassed?

[Brian Cox]

No, no, no one really. It didn't become heavy in. In any way. And. And when it was a heavy episode, usually you weren't in it, you know, which is what was quite good, you know, like Kendall's birthday party. I wasn't in that episode at all. And. No, it was. It was very. It was very relaxed and such great players like Matthew McFadden, you know, who's just a wonderful actor, you know, and all of them, they were all great. Even Jeremy Strong.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, sure, sure. And you were.

[Brian Cox]

Stop it now, Sean. Behave yourself, please. I have a reputation, you know, I've got to think about it.

[Sean Hayes]

Wait, so you find. So you do. So you get this material and you're like, okay, I think this is going to be hit you like the party is a great part. It's a great, great part. And then you, what, you shoot the pilot? Do you guys shoot a pilot or do you go straight to series?

[Brian Cox]

You know, that's a very good question. I can't remember. I think we went straight.

[Will Arnett]

Adam McKay directed the pilot. Yes.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah. Yeah, he did. I think we went straight to series. Yeah, we did. I mean, no, I think we did the pilot and then it was literally like, I don't know, a month, and then we went on. Did the series. But we kind of knew we were going to be doing the series.

[Sean Hayes]

Right? Right.

[Brian Cox]

I think so. I may have got that wrong.

[Will Arnett]

Were you living in New York the whole time?

[Brian Cox]

Well, no, I was living in London to start with, and then I. Yeah, I was. Oh, I was cross living. Yeah. Because I live between London and New York. Ye.

[Will Arnett]

How do you like. How do you. How do you like living in the States versus London? What's the pluses and the minuses?

[Brian Cox]

Oh, God.

[Sean Hayes]

Where to start, where to start? Be careful, because we don't want you to get stopped at the border.

[Brian Cox]

No, no, no, no. I know we live in funny times. I don't want any ICE agent suddenly my hotel door. It's difficult. It's very difficult. I feel very sympathetic towards Americans and where they're finding themselves at this time.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Brian Cox]

And in many ways it's a very exciting time, but it's also in many ways an acute, depressing time, you know, And I find that I. I'm more. I go more to the depressing side than the Exciting side.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Brian Cox]

And I just find it extraordinary because I've, I love this. When I was a kid, you know, you know, when I, when I, when I was 15, I. And I so wanted to be an actor, but, but I realized I wanted to be an American actor.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Brian Cox]

Because I never wanted to be Kenneth Moore or Dirt Bogart or in any of those English that just had nothing, no connection. Oh, God. You're being pernicious, Jason. Absolutely pernicious.

[Will Arnett]

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[Jason Bateman]

And now back to the show.

[Sean Hayes]

I understand that too though, Brian. As a Canadian, I also at the same. And I'm very proud of being from Canada and I love it. But as a, as a sort of a newer American of almost 20 years, I always wanted to come here too. I always had that thing like this was the place. This is, it's such a great country, the U.S. and there's so many incredible talents and there's so much opportunity to do so many different things. I think that was it. Do you know what I mean?

[Brian Cox]

And also the history of cinema, I mean cinema is an American invention, you know, you can't deny it. And because my great passion is, in fact, my wife is so pissed off at me because I spend my days, I've been Working really hard. I've done four plays. I played Bach. I've done a play about the financial crisis of 2008, which I played Adam Smith. You know the history of. Do you know who Adam Smith was? No, probably not, because he made. And I did that. I did that. That. And, and no, I. It was great, but I. And I. I realized that I wasn't American, and it was very depressing when I realized what was I going to do? Well, to.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, I always say this. To us, you had a leg up being British because. Or Scottish, whatever, because.

[Brian Cox]

No, yeah, it did, but just in terms of where you were going to go with your. Your work. And it was. It was just a very odd feeling. And then I was walking down the hilltown of my hometown, and then there was a film on called Saturday Night and Sunday Morning. You probably haven't heard of that film.

[Sean Hayes]

I. Sean. Sean's favorite.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Watched it last night.

[Brian Cox]

It's Albert Finney, love. And when I saw Albert Finney, I thought, I'm saved. If he can do it, I can do it. You know, that guy from Salford, Manchester, can do it. I can do it. And also Albert. And I subsequently was a bit older than me, but we. We worked together a couple of times. And I remember we did a play at the Royal Court. The Royal Court's a very famous theater. God, sometimes it's really hard. Anyway, I look at these. You can't. Audience can't see. I look at these bewildered faces, particularly the two on the bottom here.

[Sean Hayes]

That's just their resting face. They have resting, bewildered face.

[Brian Cox]

But Albert Finney, he changed my life. He just realized. I said, I can. I can. That's. That's my path. And of course, it was the time of. Which was an amazing time in the UK of the beginning of the. What they called the free cinema. And it was Tony Richardson, Lindsay Anderson, who you didn't know, John Schlesinger, who you probably have heard of. And I put him in the same

[Sean Hayes]

category as Lindsay Anderson, to be honest,

[Jason Bateman]

Brian, you know, you have. You have such an incredible, incredible. You're very funny. You're very charismatic. You remind me of another Scottish, one of my closest friends, Patrick Doyle. Do you know this composer?

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, the composer.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He composed Harry Potter and Cinderella.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, He's a great friend of the Irishman. What's he called? I forget his name.

[Sean Hayes]

Jesus.

[Brian Cox]

Ken Branagh. Okay. He does all of the cans.

[Jason Bateman]

You remind me of him a lot. I just didn't know if you knew each other, but no, I Don't.

[Brian Cox]

We've never met, actually, ironically, I've never met.

[Will Arnett]

You know what I want to ask you about? I want to ask you about, you know, Will and I moonlight a little bit with, with voiceover work sometimes. And I love the stuff that you do for McDonald's.

[Sean Hayes]

For McDonald's. I know.

[Will Arnett]

And I wanted. How did, how did that come your way? Is that something that, that you, that. Is that something that you enjoy? I mean, I love it. Gives you some very handy pocket change.

[Sean Hayes]

He's loving it.

[Will Arnett]

Pays for a lot of stuff.

[Brian Cox]

It pays for a lot of stuff. I'm not complaining.

[Will Arnett]

How, how often do you find yourself in the booth recording new stuff?

[Brian Cox]

Well, it took a while, you know, because I'd been here for, I mean, I've been here for nearly 30 years, on and off, you know. Yeah. And I, you know, I, I, I had a huge voiceover career back in the uk, which I couldn't keep up. And that was before they, they do things down the line you. Which they didn't do in the early days because it was too expensive. So I had a great voice career. And when I came here, it stopped. I lost my voice career. And then I had this agent guy called Steve Arcieri, who I would recommend to anybody. He is a brilliant, brilliant agent. He's in New York and he'd been watching out for me for a few years, and he just came at me at the right point and he said, and it was McDonald's, and that was it. And then I did Uber Eats. You know, have you seen my Uber Eats commercial?

[Will Arnett]

I don't know if I have.

[Jason Bateman]

I think I. Oh, you gotta watch that.

[Brian Cox]

You go to watch the. That's, that's, that's, that's very funny.

[Will Arnett]

Is that on camera or is that voiceover?

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, it's on camera. It's about, it's about, it's about a. I play a sort of belligerent character who's going back to university in order to get Uber Eats because it's free. It's price thing is a series of vignettes. Yeah. And we, it won an Emmy, that whole land. So I've got that as well. I, I love ads. I love them. I do.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, we do too. But I, I, and I kind of want to sort of piggyback on what Jason was saying is because we do, as Jason said, we both have sort of moonlight sometimes and get to do these voice gigs. But you have such great command of your voice.

[Brian Cox]

That was Kristen Linklater.

[Sean Hayes]

Was it?

[Jason Bateman]

There you go.

[Brian Cox]

That was Kristen Linklater. That's when I found out. That's why I went to Lambda. And then. Blew me. But six weeks after I got to Lambda, she left and came to America. She taught at Columbia for a long time.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, wow.

[Sean Hayes]

But it's just. It does. Like, even in something like the McDonald's ads you bring, you understand such a way of bringing something to the voice in a way that is outside the norm, you know, with no disrespect to anybody. Who else who does voiceovers? I've done it for a long time, and there's so many talented people out there.

[Will Arnett]

You mean like me? Because you've never said that to me.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm just saying that Jason's never done that. I mean, Jason sounds like. Talk about phoning it in.

[Jason Bateman]

I. I mean, he does it on his phone.

[Sean Hayes]

I do it on my phone.

[Will Arnett]

It's like leaving a voicemail on his phone.

[Sean Hayes]

And did they say do it in a higher octave? I don't. I don't understand.

[Will Arnett]

Buy a Hyundai. It. It's a great car. I just speak it, you know,

[Sean Hayes]

but do you. And do you sense. I. I wonder also if you have that thing which, after years of doing voiceovers where you understand, where you can look at. At a script. I have this thing where I can look at copy that they send me and they'll. And I'll go. And I'll go see the timing. It'll go 7.7seconds. And then I'll go, like, yeah, I can pro. I can probably do that in. I can probably do that in six and a half seconds.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Like, do you have that thing?

[Brian Cox]

Similar. Similar thing? I mean, I usually the scripts are so good and so tight. That's the great thing with McDonald's.

[Sean Hayes]

That's. They've timed it out already.

[Brian Cox]

But they've already timed them out so I don't have to worry. All I have to worry about. About is the performance, you know, just getting the getting.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, can't you. Can't you just, like, say if they. If you did, it took too long. If it took too long, you can't just. Wouldn't they just say. Can you make it shorter?

[Brian Cox]

Oh, yeah, yeah. They would tell me to hurry up, but I. I like to get out. We have a great expression in Scotland, which is get on and get off, which means get on and get off. I mean, and with. With voiceovers, I like to get on and get off and not hang about on them. Because that's the other thing. If you hang about too much. Much. They don't they. They. Their density doesn't. It doesn't support you. And with voiceovers, you have to drive them through. You have to do them, you know, and just be abandoned to them rather than sort of, because otherwise, you know, you lose the job because you've only got an hour to do.

[Sean Hayes]

I. I find myself getting kind of ornery where they'll. Where I'll go, I'll be doing something, and they'll. They'll say, you'll do a take and you'll go through and you'll get a perfect take. It's really good. You'll go. You'll lay it down and blah, blah, blah. And then they'll go, that's great. And they'll say, let's get one more for safety. And I go, save it. Safety is. It's digital, right? What are you worried about a hair in the gate? What are you talking about? You got it, like, yeah. Now, if you want me to do it differently or you have a thought, great, but otherwise we're good.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, I. I couldn't agree with you more, Will. I mean, there's the. You know. But again, we have director problems now.

[Will Arnett]

Brian, what was it? Was it a gentle pitch that they made to you when they asked you to do the iconic little jingle at the end there, the butt up? Did they? But was that. I. I, like, if I had to pitch Brian Cox, hey, listen, we'd like for you to do this. I'd be scared shitless to ask you to do that. Or was that your idea? Was it in the copy?

[Brian Cox]

No, no, they. They just want me to do it and I did it, you know, so good. If I.

[Sean Hayes]

If I know Jason, Jason would be like, you know what? That's a different pay rate.

[Will Arnett]

If you want me to bum. Yeah, sing is a different Sean.

[Brian Cox]

Am I right?

[Sean Hayes]

Would JB hold them up for weeks?

[Jason Bateman]

Sure.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah,

[Jason Bateman]

I'll call you back. I'm not gonna show up till I go. Yeah, no, but what about. I auditioned for the voice of Aflac, for that duck that goes Aflac, right?

[Brian Cox]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

It was between me and Gilbert Gottfried, who got it, and I go. I remember the audition. I go in there and I had no idea what it was for. And through the glass, you know, I have my headphones on.

[Brian Cox]

On.

[Jason Bateman]

And they just read the copy there, and I'm like, aflac. Like, I don't. And they're like, that's all it says on. I, like, that's all it says. Like, yeah, just do it.

[Will Arnett]

And I'm like, do it like a Goose.

[Jason Bateman]

Like a goose. I'm like, aflac. I. I don't understand. I don't understand what you want me to. And then. And they're like, great, thanks. And I'm like, well, I didn't know I was supposed to sound like an actual animal.

[Sean Hayes]

Do you feel like your lack of intellect has held you back in other ways

[Will Arnett]

or creative impulse?

[Brian Cox]

It could be tyrannous, these situations, but it's a question of just moving it, you know, I love it. I love the discipline, you know, I love the discipline of the voiceover, you know, and it's just. It's just a great thing to practice your craft, you know?

[Sean Hayes]

I agree. And I like that it's a tight space. I like that you. You only have a finite amount of space in. In order to get this point across. Often it's a. It's. It's not a lot of time. Time. And there's something about that that I find really.

[Will Arnett]

Gmc.

[Sean Hayes]

Sierra, are you talking about professional grade?

[Will Arnett]

Professional grade gmc.

[Sean Hayes]

We are professional grade.

[Brian Cox]

But will you. You're blessed with a very fine voice. I mean, your voice is very. I remember when I saw you in that wonderful film that you did with Brad, and I thought, your voice is very strong. It's a very, very good voice.

[Sean Hayes]

That's a compliment coming from you. So I appreciate it.

[Brian Cox]

Thank you very much. You've got great clarity, and that was one. What was so wonder part you were playing, because he was, you know, he was on. He was. He was on the run, but the clarity was so strong, and I. I was very, very impressed.

[Jason Bateman]

If he ever wins an award, he's the first person he's going to thank is cigarettes.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

They're the only ones who have never let me down, Sean. They've never. They've never let me down. They've never not returned a call. You know, they've always been there for me. So, Brian, you've done. It's so funny, you go back and you've done theater. You've won Olivier awards, you won BAFTAs and Emmys and Golden Globes and all of it, and film and television. Now you've directed your film. It is one of these. You know, we ask people all the time, like, what is the thing that you'd like to do, you've seemingly done. Again, at risk of embarrassing you. It all. So what could. What. What gets you up in the morning of, like, now that you've directed this film, what's the next thing that kind of. You're excited to get out of bed?

[Brian Cox]

To do sort of creating the next job.

[Sean Hayes]

Okay.

[Brian Cox]

The next job.

[Will Arnett]

You don't. Do you have anything left that you're curious to see if you can handle?

[Brian Cox]

Yeah, it only comes when it comes, you know, I can't. It's, you know, you can't do over contemplation. What if I. What am I? What I do? How would I, you know, you just do it.

[Will Arnett]

But like, you guys were talking about a one man show. Like, I literally really turned down one a couple of months ago because I just didn't think that's something that I could really enjoy doing.

[Sean Hayes]

No, because you're not one man. You're not a full man. That's why.

[Jason Bateman]

That's it.

[Sean Hayes]

That's. If they said a half man. If they said a half man show. Half man show. You could do. You could do a half man show for sure.

[Will Arnett]

Well, like, I gotta. I gotta get some theater under my belt before I take something like that on, so. No, no, I'm dying to do that. But, like, there are things that I am. I would, I would love to challenge myself. That's one of them. I can't imagine there's a whole lot left on your list to challenge yourself with.

[Brian Cox]

It's. I don't even see as a challenge. I just see as the work, you know, part of the work. It's part of the job. And Jason, you're a very fine actor. I mean, you don't know you are. And I've. I mean, you've done the Ozarks, the work you've done. I think sometimes you don't trust yourself nearly enough, Jason,

[Sean Hayes]

like this. Keep going.

[Brian Cox]

Your problem, I think you really, you're very contained and you're contained in a way that says, if I move too fast, I'll fall over.

[Will Arnett]

Ah.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh. Oh, look at this guy.

[Sean Hayes]

Great note.

[Brian Cox]

And I think that that's your. Just let yourself go.

[Will Arnett]

You'd like to see me cut it loose. You'd sound like my wife. She wants me to cut it loose.

[Brian Cox]

Because you're, you're so gifted, you're so talented, and you should trust your talent more than you do.

[Sean Hayes]

He did. He did a very fine performance in the, in this program. The black rabbit that he brill. He's brilliant in. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. And he is much more.

[Brian Cox]

He's a wonderful actor.

[Sean Hayes]

He's a wonderful actor. I've had the misfortune, the sorry fortune of working with him many times, but I will say Jason has. And I always say this to Jason too. And this is the great thing he is so funny. Sean Nuletusse, he's the funniest person. His timing is absolutely impeccable. That you cannot teach. And I say to you, Jason, all the time, I wish you'd get back and do a couple straight comedies. You're. You're so fucking good at comedy.

[Will Arnett]

Well, if they still made them, I don't deny.

[Sean Hayes]

But you're denying us of comedy. Why are you denying us?

[Will Arnett]

They just don't make them anymore.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, well, make a show.

[Sean Hayes]

Do his eight episode comedy show.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, I'd love to. If they made those.

[Sean Hayes]

They do.

[Brian Cox]

But you said that you wanted to do some more theater. Is that right?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, yeah, I'd love to do that. And I would love. And I would love to do some more sort of acting. I just haven't. I just haven't felt like. I don't know, it's a whole different subject about. I've enjoyed playing characters that aren't that charactery.

[Brian Cox]

Right.

[Will Arnett]

For lack of a better term, I kind of got turned off to watching actors act. So I kind of like playing the straight man and the talent in doing less. But now I'm starting to think I might want to take on some other characters and sort of do bigger, broader acting swings.

[Brian Cox]

I think you've earned the right turn. Risk it.

[Sean Hayes]

Yes.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, it's not a question of risk or trusting talent. It's. It's, it's just a question of not. I, I haven't. The roles that I've been attracted to, I would be overplaying them. If I, If I did. If I, If I ran instead of walked.

[Brian Cox]

Jason, I can't see you overplaying anything, to be honest with you.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you.

[Brian Cox]

Because your, Your, Your taste is exquisite.

[Will Arnett]

Well, you.

[Brian Cox]

Oh, you guys have got that, you know, and that. And that is what is so good about you. So trust yourself a bit more than you do. Maybe we should have a private se.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, this is not a bad idea. I would.

[Will Arnett]

Fuck.

[Sean Hayes]

I'd pay handsomely just to be able to witness it and be a part of it. I'd love to have a session with Brian and Jason. Oh, my God, Sean. How fun would that be?

[Jason Bateman]

We're kind of halfway there.

[Will Arnett]

I know.

[Jason Bateman]

We're figured out.

[Sean Hayes]

God, Jason, this is what you need. You need a mentor. You didn't even fucking know it.

[Brian Cox]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Brian, you have mentored us all with your talent for so many years. We are so grateful for you coming on here. So we wish you just continued success and, and, and continue. And a lot of success with Glen Roth and your film that you've directed. Congratulations.

[Jason Bateman]

I can't wait to see it.

[Sean Hayes]

Brian Cox, you are an absolute legend and icon, and thank you for being part of our show today.

[Brian Cox]

Well, this was an abs. I mean, this is an honor to be honest with you, to talk to you three guys of such incredible talent. It's an honor. It's been an honor.

[Jason Bateman]

So thank you, darling.

[Sean Hayes]

There we go.

[Brian Cox]

Thank you, darling.

[Will Arnett]

Thank you, brother Brian. Thank you, buddy.

[Jason Bateman]

Thanks, Brian.

[Sean Hayes]

Thank you, Brian the great Brian Cox.

[Jason Bateman]

See you.

[Will Arnett]

Bye.

[Sean Hayes]

Amazing.

[Will Arnett]

Have a good day.

[Sean Hayes]

Bye.

[Will Arnett]

Cheers. Bye. Bye.

[Brian Cox]

Bye.

[Jason Bateman]

Wait, you know what? First of all, he's an absolute delight. Like, I had no idea. He was so funny and, like, breezy, you know, like light and breezy.

[Sean Hayes]

I, I had the opportunity and I, I, I, I said this to Brian. He came to a screening of our film a few months ago, and I got to, I got to talk to him afterwards. And he, and when I, like 30 years ago, he was friends with somebody I knew and I was out here. It was one of my first times in California. And he said, we're gonna go buy Brian Cox's renting house in the Hollywood Hills and we're gonna go watch the

[Jason Bateman]

Oscars at his house.

[Sean Hayes]

At his house that he's renting. So I went up. It was like one of my first time ever, like, doing that thing. You know, you've come from not here, and you go up into the Hollywood Hills to a house and you're like, oh, my God, look at the lights and everything. And then, and here's this guy who's this working actor, acclaimed working actor, and going to his house and I was about, you know, 25 and going into his house and just, and just being. And he was, you know, just sort of blown away not knowing what to say and, you know, and all you want to do is get a job. And he was so kind and so gracious. I was just some stupid ass kid. I'm not much of a now, but he was. I'm some stupid ass kid. And he was so welcoming and generous and made me feel. And I was like, what a fucking great guy.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, can tell.

[Will Arnett]

Cloud, why don't you tell.

[Jason Bateman]

Why don't you. You should have told him that story

[Sean Hayes]

because I didn't want to cry.

[Brian Cox]

Oh, Will.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, okay.

[Will Arnett]

Or have him say no recollection.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, don't turn the tables on us.

[Sean Hayes]

Did I? No, it doesn't sound like me. Doesn't sound like me.

[Jason Bateman]

Willie, you need to do. What about you doing theater too? I think Jason would be brilliant in A play.

[Brian Cox]

And so I don't know if I

[Sean Hayes]

have the character for it or the

[Brian Cox]

voice or the voice.

[Will Arnett]

You've got to reach the back row with your pipes.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. You got to reach the Italian guy in the back.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, you always want, like, oh, whatever you do, do not take the Lexington bus and then go across out and then cross back like a Neil Simon play.

[Brian Cox]

You know what I mean?

[Jason Bateman]

Well, he was delightful. I love.

[Sean Hayes]

He is the delight.

[Will Arnett]

He really, really was. What a great, great actor. What a great career. My God. Doesn't sound like he's going to slow down at all.

[Brian Cox]

No.

[Jason Bateman]

Waiting for the next gig.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, and I love that he's doing, like, radio plays, and it's just. Ah, God, he does kind of does it all.

[Will Arnett]

Sean is just making us hang here, making us come up with a buy. Usually Sean is coming.

[Jason Bateman]

I got one. I got one that may or may not have just popped up. Oh, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, you know, wait, Sean, I have one. Wait, no, no, sorry. I have one.

[Brian Cox]

Oh, okay. What's yours? What's yours?

[Jason Bateman]

Well, you know, it was great, and I. What a great, simple name to remember. You know, if you can't remember his name, you could always recall.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, yeah. What's his. What's his name?

[Brian Cox]

By. By.

[Will Arnett]

Wait, I don't get that.

[Sean Hayes]

I don't.

[Will Arnett]

I still don't get it.

[Sean Hayes]

Bennett sent it to all of us, and it said by.

[Will Arnett]

It says B. I still don't get it.

[Sean Hayes]

What is.

[Jason Bateman]

Instead of Brian Byron.

[Brian Cox]

Oh, so dumb. His music.

[Sean Hayes]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Sean Hayes]

Huh?

[Jason Bateman]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Jason Bateman]

Nibbles would have loved you like a brother.

[Sean Hayes]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Brian Cox]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Sean Hayes]

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