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Will Arnett
Real good. What a nice sleep. What a. Yeah, Will, you were snoring a little bit last night. I had to turn you over a couple of times.
Sean Hayes
I know. Yes.
Jason Bateman
And I had no covers on me. That was weird.
Will Arnett
No, you didn't. Yeah, but I love that extra super sized Charlie and the chocolate factory bed we got, huh?
Sean Hayes
Hey, be honest. What was the camera for? Cause I noticed a camera this morning when I woke up.
Jason Bateman
That was my bad. That was my bad. I forgot to take it down.
Sean Hayes
Okay.
Will Arnett
Anyway, let's do a podcast, huh? Welcome to Smart Less.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, Smart, Smart, Smart. L.
Jason Bateman
How's everybody doing?
Will Arnett
I'm great. I haven't even had a chance to open up my breakfast bar.
Jason Bateman
A little asmr.
Will Arnett
Yeah, this is Papa. This is Papa Steve's no Junk Raw protein bars, which I'm real keen on. And my address you can find in the chat.
Jason Bateman
Jesus.
Will Arnett
Okay. Have you guys had your breakfast yet?
Sean Hayes
I have.
Jason Bateman
I have not. I'm just empty.
Will Arnett
What'd you have, Willie?
Sean Hayes
I had one cup of oatmeal made with water and some berries.
Will Arnett
Do they let you out for an hour of exercise each day?
Sean Hayes
Yeah, Yeah, I had a few berries with it and then a drizzle of maple syrup. Pure maple syrup for taste.
Will Arnett
I won't say drizzle ever again.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, and then. And then I had five scrambled eggs.
Will Arnett
Jesus, my chest hurts. Five eggs?
Sean Hayes
Why? Your chest shouldn't hurt. It's not bad for your chest.
Will Arnett
You know, I think there was one report that said that eggs are not cholesterol problems anymore. And I love that report as much as you do, but I'd love to hear a second.
Sean Hayes
Well, my doctor told me that, so. My doctor.
Will Arnett
This is the guy you found online?
Sean Hayes
Put it this way. What's your cholesterol and what's mine? And you're the one who, like, eats all this shit and what's yours and what's mine?
Will Arnett
My cholesterol is horrendous. Yeah, it's in my family.
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Sean Hayes
Mine's 90.
Will Arnett
But I will tell you, I just had one of those full body scans.
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Will Arnett
And no brain. Yeah.
Sean Hayes
And completely empty.
Jason Bateman
Sir, can we talk to you for a second?
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Will Arnett
It's just one microchip up there.
Sean Hayes
They said it's not. There's no heart. They just found a box with a picture of a heart in it. Well, no. So did you get the results back?
Will Arnett
Yes, thank you. The results were fine. No, everything is fantastic. And, yeah, I'm very pleased. Cause, you know, you never know with those things. You could get the. Okay, so your appointment to review your scan results, or is it tomorrow at 3:00? Okay, so tomorrow at 3:00 I'm gonna find out if I've got something I've got.
Sean Hayes
And you walk in and they got six doctors. They got six guys, and they're like.
Will Arnett
They'd actually like to do this in person.
Sean Hayes
The team needs to speak to you.
Will Arnett
Yeah.
Sean Hayes
Hey, Jason, can you clear your schedule for the next four months?
Will Arnett
And do you have a wife, girlfriend, best friend, something that can maybe Dr.
Sean Hayes
Are you religious at all? Because we got a guy here on standby.
Will Arnett
No, I was. It was. It's a real. We were talking about it, you and me, Will, the other day, and you were like, well, I don't know. I mean, do you want to know? Do you want. It's like, yeah, I do. If it's good news. And thank God. It was. It was good. So that's good.
Sean Hayes
Did you get this? Sean, did you get the shingles vaccine?
Jason Bateman
I did.
Will Arnett
I did, yeah. Yeah. Did you, Willie?
Sean Hayes
I have not.
Jason Bateman
Okay, you have to. You must have.
Will Arnett
You had. Now, what is it? If you've had chickenpox, you're susceptible to shingles or vice versa?
Jason Bateman
Yeah, it's already living inside you. If you had chickenpox, the shingles.
Will Arnett
So if you haven't had chickenpox, you're good. You don't need the shingles vaccine.
Jason Bateman
I Think I don't know. Don't get medical advice from this show.
Will Arnett
Yeah, exactly. Change this channel, everybody.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Sean Hayes
How often. How often would you say in any given week do you have a conversation at least with a doctor?
Jason Bateman
Oh, God. On a weekly basis for sure.
Will Arnett
So it's at least once a week.
Sean Hayes
At least once a week. You're interfacing with the doctor via tea text or call or in person.
Will Arnett
Why? Because you're concerned or you just want to stay ahead of time?
Jason Bateman
I want to be one of those people that catch something before it happens.
Will Arnett
Right. So you just workshop things that could go wrong with you and what to do to be ready.
Jason Bateman
That's right.
Sean Hayes
You ever thought about just living life and enjoying it?
Jason Bateman
Or I'll take photos of shit and text him and all that stuff.
Will Arnett
You could zip into a bubble maybe and just kind of have Scotty roll you around from room to room.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, I'm not above it. I'll do that. You know what, though? Anesthesia. We were talking about anesthesia, Jason, me and you. I think at dinner last week.
Sean Hayes
God, I could go for some propofol right now.
Jason Bateman
I wouldn't be great. And we were talking about. How do you. Isn't it fascinating? How did somebody discover.
Will Arnett
Yeah, they can just switch you off anesthesia.
Jason Bateman
Like, who do you test that on?
Sean Hayes
Right. We're going to bring you as close to death as possible.
Will Arnett
Getting that just right was probably challenging. That's too much. We lost them.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Will Arnett
Or too little. You can see them screaming as they amputate the wrist.
Jason Bateman
It's unbelievable.
Sean Hayes
Well, I tell you, when you don't want some purple falls, when our guest is performing great. Because you want to be wide. You want to be wide awake for this person's work. And I tell you, millions of people have been wide awake watching this guy. He's been. I'm going to say this. He's been dazzling people for a long time.
Will Arnett
His David Copperfield.
Sean Hayes
Well, his David Blaine. I will just say, Jason, you might want to be careful because this person knows a lot of your secrets. Okay. This person knows papa. This person knows a lot of the stuff that you've pa, pa, pa, PA been up to. Especially recently, because this person is somebody who has been in and out of your world. I' this is again, I always feel like with my guests it's hard to start naming their credits because you're just gonna. You immediately you're gonna go, aye, aye, blah, blah, blah.
Will Arnett
Why is this person my guest? Then you say, I know this person.
Sean Hayes
You do? And they could Be your guest. Because I wanted to kind of surprise you.
Jason Bateman
Uh oh.
Sean Hayes
Because this is somebody who has. This is somebody who's been doing. This is somebody who's been doing the kinds of films that we. Jay, this is the kind of thing for you that fits in. Like, they're doing the kind that the tastemakers like and like all those kind of words that you like. And you know, because there are films in there. This is somebody who's been nominated for Academy Awards, Golden Globe Awards, BAFTAs, Olivier Awards.
Will Arnett
I don't know anybody.
Sean Hayes
He's done television. He's played the pope. He's played. He's been in Sherlock Holmes. He's been, he's been talented. Mr. Ha. And he's. I was wanting to get to. And he's Jason's co star and collaborator on Black Rabbit is Jude Live.
Will Arnett
Good morning, my friend. Jude.
Jude Law
Good morning.
Sean Hayes
And he should be your guest, but I wanted him because I wanted to surprise you, jb, with your. With your guy buddy.
Will Arnett
God damn it. This is great, guys. Get ready. Get ready to just fall in love and clear out. Make room for a new best friend. There's really. Jude, first of all, welcome. There's just nobody I'm more excited about as a, As a new person in my life. Like for the last 10 years in Jude Law, the feelings.
Sean Hayes
Jude, he has been singing your praises since you guys started working together. And I'm not, I'm honestly, I'm not making it up. He. He cannot speak more highly about. And he has generally disdain for people. Most people, as you know, through that.
Will Arnett
You sound like five people in the world and there's three on the screen right now.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, I'm.
Jude Law
I'm going. We. We finished just a couple of weeks ago, and I'm genuinely going through withdrawals. It's been. I mean, it was a long shoot, so, you know, when it starts to become part of your daily routine and dare I say you not take it for granted, but you're just, you know, you've been doing it for a few months and it's just, it's what you do every day and, man, I'm finding it hard. It's been a bit bumpy coming out. How about you?
Will Arnett
Yeah, it's like. Yeah. On that project, it was like waking up in your house each day and just like hanging out with your family and it's just so easy. And then your gone from your family and you start to miss them.
Jude Law
Yeah, it's. It's a very odd part of what we do. Right, because.
Will Arnett
Yeah, I was.
Jude Law
I was trying to explain this to someone. It's like most people have their first day on a job, like, you know, in their 20s or 30s, and maybe they changed their job once, like, in their 40s.
Jason Bateman
Right.
Jude Law
We change a job three times a year, like a whole new group of people. Hi. Hello. I'm Jude. Nice to meet you.
Sean Hayes
Well, what's so unusual is that Jason has allowed himself to get attached to you. Because I have heard him describe. And this is true. And I really. This is true. He described recently to somebody. And this really, again, is going to give you a lot of info about who. Jb. He talks about how when he starts a job with people, he tells himself not to get too attached because he knows he's not going to see them again. And so he builds in a distance with people so he won't get hurt. Am I right, Jay?
Will Arnett
Ish. It's not as much of a defense mechanism as just, like, a practicality. It's like, well, we're going to never see each other again. But there's a necessary bonding that needs to happen to really make the work enjoyable and effective. And so, yeah, it is. It's an odd thing.
Jude Law
I've actually given young actors that advice sometimes because I remember when I was in my early 20s starting out, you.
Will Arnett
Say, don't fall in love with me.
Jude Law
You kind of. No, no. You know, you kind of walk away from the film, think, I've just made 50 best friends and I'm gonna. We're gonna see each other every week. There are. And then nothing happens and you feel slightly, like, heartbroken. So you gotta. You know, I'm like, don't. You're not. They're not gonna be your best friends. You're gonna work together. It's gonna be.
Will Arnett
The good news in this business is you actually do have a realistic chance of seeing those people again, though, on another project or if you're as old.
Jude Law
As we are, on a podcast.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, yeah.
Will Arnett
Now, before we get going, I just. I have seen Jude's film that is coming out depending on when this airs. It's called the Order, and I've seen it twice in the last three days because they very nicely asked me to introduce it at some screening the other day. This movie, Jude's the lead in it. It's also with Nicholas Hoult and Jurnee Smollett, and it's directed by Justin Kurzel. Guys, if you like a bag of money and a gun and something that is shot like one of those Sidney Lumet films, it's just this movie is so goddamn good. He plays an FBI agent that is after a white supremacist gang up in the Pacific Northwest. It's a true story. Happens back in like the late 70s, early 80s I think. Jude. And it's just badass bank robberies and it's just go see us called the Order. It's fucking great.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, I haven't.
Jason Bateman
I can't wait.
Sean Hayes
I haven't seen it and haven't seen the trailer. I saw the one sheet. It looks really. Just the poster alone looked really cool and you know. And I think that you're like holding a gun in it or something. Like there's something.
Will Arnett
I see it a hundred more times.
Sean Hayes
Talk a little bit. Well, just if you can just. Cause we're on this. Jude. Talk a little bit about the Order and how it kind of came into your world and what it was about it that you were like, oh yeah, this is something I gotta do. Cause I don't necessarily associate you with as sort of like a gun raglin. Like, you know what I mean?
Jude Law
I felt I hadn't played a part like it. And it came my way through my production company and you know, it was just one of those. It was so fun of potential. It had this incredible true story that I hadn't heard of an awful lot of people hadn't heard of. It had all this relevance to today and the sort of divisive society. But we. That we're living in and that we're seeing around the world. And then, you know, it's also wrapped up in a brilliant cat and mouse thriller kind of genre film. And. And like Jason said, it's reminded me of those movies, those kind of crowd pleases that I used to go see when I was a kid with the great filmmakers of Lumet and Freakin. And it's funny, isn't it, how our. Well, it's the same with other genres, I suppose. But those kind of movies were at once with Hackman and Newman and people like that in them so popular and suddenly they. I don't know, they kind of lost their edge maybe.
Will Arnett
But anyway, no idea why. Right? I mean like French Connection. Like what? They don't make those movies anymore. And those used to be like the blockbusters. Why? Or Dog Day Afternoon. What should we do?
Sean Hayes
I think we do well. I think first of all, I think we. And they tried even into the 90s. I was thinking about Ronan, you know, that great De Niro Frankenheimer movie. Amazing. Again, trying to extend that idea even out of sight With Clooney and those guys in Soderbergh or Out of the Furnace.
Will Arnett
The Christian Bale movie.
Sean Hayes
Yeah. Like all those movies trying. But I think that what happened was, and I think I mentioned this before, we've spent the last at least decade kind of under the tyranny of ip. Yeah, right. These films that were made, that were made, all the studios owned all this IP and they're like, how can we squeeze as much as we can out of this ip? Whether it's for people like Sean and Scott. He ruined the movie business because that's what they wanted.
Will Arnett
I think they're trying to hedge their bet.
Sean Hayes
I hope they save the planet lindalore, because that's where they.
Will Arnett
Careful, Jude's got a Star wars coming up.
Jason Bateman
I can't wait. It's called Skeleton Crew. I can't wait.
Sean Hayes
I didn't talk about Star Wars. Not Jude. Star Wars. Anyway, I think that, that is why. But I think you're right. There's an appetite for this kind of thing now.
Will Arnett
They're assuming they're gonna get a built in audience with this existing ip and so these original things are sort of put on the back burner. But my God, just a pure satisfying experience of going to see a caper or a thriller or something with just a true beginning, middle and end where you get invested with these characters and there's a sticky plot and like, why do I need some dude FL around on top of it all?
Sean Hayes
Sean.
Jude Law
But it goes full circle, I'm sure, right?
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Jude Law
I mean people come, they, they'll always come back to. It's like vinyl, right? Everyone comes back to vinyl.
Will Arnett
You hope.
Jason Bateman
You hope.
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Will Arnett
This, hopefully this one will. This one will start. You know what? Guess what? It's the same thing with music. My kids listen to all this. This music that's very good, but it all comes out of electronic interface as opposed to like plugging in an instrument and like you hear a snare drum or you hear a guitar. I mean, I don't even sound like an old fuddy duddy, but I miss the. Of instruments and music. Hopefully that comes back as well.
Jason Bateman
It'll come back. It'll come back.
Sean Hayes
I think, I think it does come back. I mean, I mean you're talking a lot about, I suppose mainstream pop music. There is a lot. There is a huge appetite for and there's a very thriving indie music. Certainly I'm like such an old school 90s dinosaur indie fan, but that has kind of come back. There's a lot of guitar driven music out There. That's excellent. A lot of great American bands and, you know.
Jason Bateman
So, Jude, how are you today?
Will Arnett
Hey, F you, Sean.
Sean Hayes
Sean, go yourself. Hey, do you guys want to hear my impression of Sean and Scotty going to the movies again? Yeah, please. I hope that they find. I hope he knows.
Will Arnett
We got two of those.
Sean Hayes
His dad actually came from Skor. Do you know that his dad. His dad was in the other. And his. He came from sky, too.
Jason Bateman
By the way, we just watched Alien. Romulus. Us again. Yeah, that.
Sean Hayes
That again.
Jason Bateman
That mythology is so.
Jude Law
Where does that sit in the. In the order of the Alien. Yeah, it.
Jason Bateman
Be.
Sean Hayes
It.
Jason Bateman
It comes before the original in the 70s. Oh, yeah.
Sean Hayes
Oh.
Jason Bateman
Or right after. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Jude Law
Have you. Have you watched the original again recently?
Jason Bateman
Yes. Incredible.
Jude Law
And like the design. The design for it. All those.
Sean Hayes
Was it.
Jude Law
Who was watching it recently? And they said they paused it and zoomed in on a little area in behind, I think Ian home.
Jason Bateman
Yes.
Jude Law
And it was basically an old speaker turned inside out upside down and sprayed white or something.
Jason Bateman
He's really cool. And in Romulus, the sets they made look like the 80s because I misspoke. It comes after the original. Sorry, in between the original.
Jude Law
But anyway, in that early 80s.
Jason Bateman
Are you a fan?
Jude Law
I love Alien. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jason Bateman
It's so good.
Jude Law
Wait, a science fiction.
Jason Bateman
Where are you right now? Are you a hotel? Are you home?
Jude Law
Where are you? I'm in a hotel in Beverly Hills.
Jason Bateman
Oh.
Jude Law
I'm in Los Angeles for a while promoting and, you know.
Will Arnett
Yeah, he is humping. This guy's got stamina like you cannot believe. He's not going to stop until December.
Sean Hayes
I've heard. Again, I don't want to get too much because we do love the Black Rabbit. We want to talk about. We're all so excited for Black Rabbit.
Will Arnett
It was time to talk about that. That's a year for.
Sean Hayes
I will say again, this is the highest compliment from jb. He would. He talked about your stamina and your ability to show up on set every day and deliver in every way. I've never seen him so impressed. And as a producer, I've never seen him so impressed. Jude, honestly, again, I'm going out of my way here, but it's so joy.
Jason Bateman
The joy.
Will Arnett
I need your notes on episode three and four soon if you can turn those around to me.
Sean Hayes
Jude, let's not turn this into a work session. Okay?
Jude Law
Let's do it. Let's just house it out now.
Sean Hayes
Okay. Well, Jude, let's talk early days. As you started as A performer. So we know where you've been and where you are now. But let's flash back to when you were a kid and the first time you said, mom, Dad, I want to. Or somebody said, jude, you need to perform. What was the thing? Was it. Were you attracted to it? Did somebody notice it in you? What was the thing? How did it. How did it all start?
Jude Law
It just sort of occurred because my parents were teachers. This is in the 70s in southeast London, and they. But they had a passion for theater, so they were members of a local theater company, and they would put on plays. And I grew up in a house where. I remember there were always. You know, the kitchen was full of people rehearsing and. Or I'd come down and half our furniture would be gone because they'd be using it on a set in the play that they were putting on. And so it was just a big. And I just remember loving watching adults rehearse and goof about. It looked like it was a dialogue. It was a language that made sense to me, and I felt very comfortable in it. So really, honestly, it was like a kind of. What's the right word? Segue, as opposed to a kind of decision. I got involved the older I got and did plays, and I joined a company as a kid, Brothers and sisters. I had a big sister who. She performed too, but she's a painter.
Jason Bateman
I thought that was the name of the theater company. I thought Jason was like, Brothers and Sisters Theater company.
Will Arnett
A good one.
Jude Law
Yeah, it is a good name.
Sean Hayes
She's a painter.
Jude Law
Yeah, she's a painter. Yeah. Yeah.
Will Arnett
Oh, wow.
Jude Law
So the decision, honestly, was just. I don't. I mean, there was a moment when I got offered a. In a TV show. I was about 17 and had to make the decision of leaving school, moving out. And they just sort of knew that was going to happen. And they made me promise if it didn't work out, I'd go back to school. And I was like, of course. And. But they were incredibly supportive.
Will Arnett
So, wait, did you not finish high school like me?
Jude Law
No, didn't finish.
Will Arnett
Nice.
Jason Bateman
Wow.
Jude Law
No, I didn't finish.
Sean Hayes
This is great. What I'm realizing. What I'm realizing also about your friendship with jb is that he has an app. Asked you any questions about your life in all the time that you've. No, no.
Will Arnett
Jude, what's your last name?
Sean Hayes
We're gonna. He's like, do you have a sister? Did you finish high school? How the would you not know that already?
Will Arnett
I'm not even there on the guy's jock all day on the set. You know, we got work.
Sean Hayes
Human. It's called just human interaction. It's just called being interested in somebody else.
Will Arnett
Scroll through my phone in between takes.
Jude Law
Jason and I stayed in character the whole time.
Sean Hayes
Oh, my God.
Jason Bateman
Oh, my God.
Jude Law
I will be honest, it was kind of weird when he shared the beard because he'd been my big brother with the beard. And like, you know, we've been hugging and fighting and it's been full on and it suddenly appeared and he was Jason Bateman.
Will Arnett
Yeah, exactly.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Will Arnett
Yeah, exactly.
Sean Hayes
You guys did so much storytelling together, so.
Will Arnett
Oh, God, Will. And we will be right back.
Jason Bateman
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Sean Hayes
So, Jude, but that decision to go and do, to go do a television program or stay in school, when I hear you say it and I think about, about wanting to be a performer and being 17, like that's a kind of an easy decision. Like, hey, do you want to go do.
Jude Law
Yeah.
Sean Hayes
Or do you want to stay in school? I really love school.
Will Arnett
Yeah. When did you know that you were safe, that it was actually going to be something that could provide an income for you?
Jude Law
Yeah, honestly, not until I was in my early 20s and I'd done a movie or two and. Really? Yeah, yeah.
Will Arnett
What was your first one? What was your first film?
Jude Law
So my first film was a movie called Shopping and it was about car thieves and that was in the early 90s. And then I did a film, another English film, but a period film called Wild about Oscar Wilde. And Stephen Fry played Oscar Wilde and I played his boyfriend Bosie Douglas, who was a nasty piece of work. And around then I'd done a lot of theater and the film. Yeah, I guess around then I sort of thought, oh, this is a job.
Will Arnett
When was the move were you, you were still in England at that point.
Sean Hayes
Well, Wild, you got you. That was the first, like you got a little, you got some recognition for that performance in Wild. That kind of like put you up a notch.
Jude Law
Yeah, I got those, you know, newcomer awards and you know, welcome to the gang awards kind of thing.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, that's. Well, that's kind of good though. I mean, that's kind of. When you're a young actor, I mean, it's meaningful.
Jude Law
Yeah, totally. But you know how it is. There's still that funny feeling of, God, I just want to get another job. I just, you know, like you still think the, the unpredictable nature of what we, of what we do, the waiting is, is still quite alarming and you haven't got enough money in the bank. Like, you okay? God, this is unpredictable.
Will Arnett
Even today, all four of us are not out of the woods. We never will be. The only thing that I think we have going for us is that if our careers were to end soon, there would be sort of a downhill trajectory of maybe three or four jobs before you're done. Like, that's the only sort of pad we have built in there. Whereas, like, back when Jude was starting, maybe, you know, this could be your last job. I think the four of us are at a point now, you know, with all of our, you know, we're so lucky to have had our sort of success. But it still only is built in, like a three job offering before.
Sean Hayes
Nothing ever. Not if I release Sean's texts. I think it's gonna be. Oh, yeah, it's gonna be immediate.
Jason Bateman
I could use any.
Sean Hayes
Jude. I will. So, Jude, then. Cause I'm kind of building towards this, which is the film, I think, that I first. That I, as a consumer and a film goer and as a young actor, you know, looking, aspiring to do stuff, noticed you in a film that I, to this day, adore. And talk about science fiction. A really pure, I think, one of the great science fiction films. Gattaca, you and Ethan, that performance, that film.
Will Arnett
Andrew Nichol, Andrew Nickel.
Sean Hayes
What an incredible. Andrew Nickel. Amazing filmmaker. But that film was really remarkable. Talk a little bit about that, would you?
Jude Law
Well, it was the first film that brought me to Hollywood, and it was the first time. And, you know, it was one of those rare occasions where you read a script and you just can't believe it's as good as it is and that they want you to be in it. That was pretty extraordinary. You know, I was thinking a lot about that recently, and Ethan was such an incredible teacher, really. To meet and work with Ethan at that early formative moment was really impactful. He's such a gent and he takes it so seriously, but with such a humor and a creative sort of approach. And I remember watching him and we had all our stuff together that was. That was really influential. But moving here, moving to the States and making a film, and I remember going and rehearsing on the Sony lot and. Yeah, it was just a. It was a dream. It was kind of fantastic, fantastical.
Will Arnett
Where did you move to? Where was your first spot?
Jude Law
What was it called? I stayed.
Will Arnett
Were you down there in Culver City, near the lot?
Jude Law
No, I was in West Hollywood. I was in one of those funny little hotels where you've got a kitchen in the corner, something sweet. Summerfield Suite, Something like that.
Will Arnett
Yeah, yeah.
Jude Law
Where, you know, you have a bed and a little. Everything's in one room.
Will Arnett
Wasn't as glamorous as you thought the Hollywood sort of journey would be.
Jude Law
Honestly, I was just happy someone else was picking up the bill.
Sean Hayes
And at that point, you were just happy it wasn't raining, I think. I think, you know, you talk about Ethan, first of all, I do want to say this. And we've had him on the show. We're such fans. I think he is such an unheralded artist, and I don't usually use that word as much because. But sometimes it makes me cringe. But he is such an artist, that guy. And he is. And started, you know, young as we know, he was a child actor.
Jason Bateman
You're talking about Ethan Hawke, for sure.
Sean Hayes
Ethan Hawke, yeah. Sorry, Tracy. We're talking about Ethan Hawke. He's one of those guys. He could have. If he had had more artistry, Jason could have been him, but he's one of those. And I say that Jason, and I love what you do.
Will Arnett
Feels like accomplished.
Sean Hayes
No, it isn't.
Will Arnett
Look into it a little bit.
Sean Hayes
No, but unpack that. Yeah, he is. No, he is. He's kind of like. I really do. I love a. All his performances are so good and so raw and amazing, and I love his approach and hearing him talk about art. And so when you told me that you learn a lot, I believe that. I believe that that relationship was inspired, generous. Too generous.
Jude Law
That's another thing. Really generous on set, you know, and aware that he's got. He was working with someone who was pretty green. I mean, I'd only done a couple of films, and I'm still a little bit like this, but, you know, just warm and. Yeah, he was. It was a very happy time. But here's the funny thing, you know, again, too young to realize that that doesn't mean the film's gonna be a hit. Right. So you're sitting there going, wow, I'm in Hollywood, and this is. It's really good. And it is. It's a great film. And the proof with that one is that people still refer to it. Thank you for what you said. I mean, and you're right. It holds up.
Sean Hayes
Oh, my God.
Jude Law
But at the time, it just sort of disappeared. And I kind of. You know, that was my first taste of, oh, you got to keep trying. You got to keep throwing the spaghetti at the wall because nothing until it sticks.
Will Arnett
Right?
Sean Hayes
But. And I think, yeah, you know, it's funny, you do have that. Again, as a consumer of it and somebody who watched it and adored it. To me, to me it was a hit in the sense that it worked and it was brilliant and all that kind of. So I walked out of the theater with whomever and say like, God, that was an incredible film and blah, blah, blah. So I've sort of put it in that place that it's an incredible film. I don't know if the funny.
Jude Law
That accounts. It's funny how that happens.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, the account of the studio.
Jude Law
No, exactly. But it's funny how, you know, if, if it stays in your. I mean, it's not one of those. We look back on and go, yeah, it worked at the time. But you. Again, this is why it's such a shame in a way that films are judged on their, you know, opening weekend box office. You think, let's come back and re review this in 10 years, 5 years, 10, 20.
Will Arnett
Well, that's one of the things I like about streaming, right. Like there is no sort of scorecard there. There's no sort of results. It's just. It's up there and if you like it, you tell somebody about it and then they watch it, they might like it and it's just people that experience it when they want, how they want. And I just. I like that it's just on it. On the merits. There's no. It's not qualified by an old back.
Jude Law
Catalogs get rediscovered again. Right.
Will Arnett
Yeah, isn't it?
Jude Law
Someone was saying that Grey's Anatomy is this. Yeah. It's suddenly being watched by everybody.
Sean Hayes
Oh, all these shows. There's. What's the show? The Suits. Yeah, Suits has had this thing where everybody's people are like, oh, have you watched Suits?
Jason Bateman
But I wonder what the algorithm or their thing says to let's try Suits. Let's try Grazing Anatomy. You know, like, I wonder. I don't know. It's interesting, you know. Jude.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, sorry, Sean.
Jason Bateman
No, I was just. You go, you go, you go, you go, you go.
Will Arnett
You know what I'm going to.
Sean Hayes
I was just going to say this, which is. So you do Gattaca and you come out and it brings you out here and it kind of introduces and brings you to Hollywood. And then what was the gap? You did that and then you did. I want to say that you did. Well, the time between that and Talented Mr. Ripley.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Sean Hayes
Because those are both late 90s films that were really amazing, impactful films.
Jude Law
Yeah. Ripley raised Ripley, really raised my game because of the nominations and the other people in it. There was a little bit of a. There were a few, you know, tumbleweed moments between Gattaca and Ripley where. Because Gattaca hadn't been a financial hit. Hit. I was. I did a. I, you know, I did a couple of smaller parts and. But still, there's that thing of, you know, this isn't. It's not consistent. And Ripley really was a leap for me.
Will Arnett
When you were on the set with another gem, Matt Damon. I'll bet you you had a great time with him, too. Another.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, I mean, he could be. He's a little.
Will Arnett
I mean, he's not bright, but.
Sean Hayes
No, he's not bright. Matt's really not that bright. He's really hot and cold, let's be honest. And he blew. He blew it at Wordle this morning.
Will Arnett
I will say, hey, I busted two days ago. I bet you did, too.
Sean Hayes
I did not. Everybody else busted on that day, and I did not. I got a six.
Will Arnett
Wait, what was it again? Was it radar or something like that?
Sean Hayes
No, no, no, no. I'll tell you right now. Cause Bob texted me about it and he was like, what did you get today?
Jude Law
Have you tried Quirtle?
Will Arnett
Oh, my. Don't get him started, Jude.
Sean Hayes
I do Quirtle, Turtle and Wordle. All three every morning with Matt and two other guys. Every morning for three years.
Jude Law
That's consistent.
Sean Hayes
Every morning.
Will Arnett
Okay, get back to your guest.
Sean Hayes
So get back to your guest. Wait, so you do a couple tumbleweeds and then you do Ripley? Did you know Antony Minghella before?
Jude Law
No, he. I was working. I did this really odd little film with a director from Hong Kong, and Anthony's wife was one of the producers on it, and he was watching the rushes for that while he was casting. I mean, I look back on that.
Sean Hayes
Decision, that's the way that.
Jude Law
I don't know how. I mean, I don't know what he saw.
Will Arnett
I could tell.
Jude Law
It's amazing. It's amazing.
Will Arnett
Some raw talent and somebody pretty easy on. The hell of a leap, though, was. Was his daughter Hannah around? The great Hannah Mangala?
Jude Law
The great Hannah. Max. Max, who's now a director, was like a little boy on set of that. He was, I think I'm going to say, 10.
Will Arnett
Was Hannah there, too?
Jude Law
Hannah was around. Yeah, absolutely.
Will Arnett
Yeah. Right in that way. Now, that was shot in some beautiful spots too, right?
Jude Law
Yeah. I mean, I look, you know, on location in all down the coast in Italy. We rehearsed at the famous China Cheetah studio in Rome. And then we shot in Rome. We shot in Ischia, which is this beautiful island off Naples near Capri. Near Capri. There's three, then Progido and. Yeah, it was beautiful.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, but you're down there. Sorry. I just want to say. Cause, oh, God, this is so delicious to me. It's you, Sean.
Will Arnett
I think Will's falling as much in love with him as I am, and I battle him. I'm going to have to with Will.
Sean Hayes
I've been in love with Jude since we had that dinner over at our buddy's house.
Will Arnett
Wait, what?
Jude Law
What a great dinner.
Sean Hayes
Yeah. You were there, too?
Will Arnett
I thought it was a table for two.
Sean Hayes
We were all there. That was a great dinner. So it was you and Matt and Gwyneth Paltrow and Phil Hoffman.
Jude Law
Phil Hoffman.
Sean Hayes
The great Phil Hoffman. Kate Bunchett. I mean, what did. And then Anthony Mingh, and you're in Italy, and my question is, when you do something like that, it's kind of like the Gattaca thing in a way, but it's different. Do you. Are you able to. In the moment, did you appreciate it? Did you have moments where you went, like, man, this is really amazing. Or not? Is it wasted on you? No.
Jude Law
Much as I wish I had.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jude Law
It's a bit of me looking back.
Will Arnett
But now you can. I'll bet.
Jude Law
Well, yeah, I'm better at it. But there's, you know, in that. I kind of thought, well, this is what movies are like, you know, sitting on a beach and sailing a yacht and hanging out with all these cool young movie stars. And it was exceptionally special because of the, you know, the goodwill that Anthony had deservedly been given through the success of the English Patient. And the people that he had assembled were, you know, pretty. Pretty extraordinary group, from the cast to all the crew. But it was. It was a great experience. And I wish I'd been a little better at just, yeah. Living in it and realizing how special it was.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Will Arnett
But the number of projects that you've done, you know, speaking about your ability to assess whether you're, you know, on board a sinking ship or not, you know, it's just the number of projects that you've done is just outstanding.
Jason Bateman
And they're all, like, huge hits.
Will Arnett
Well, yeah, I mean, that's. I mean, there's a lot of people that have worked a lot, but it's just. Because they just. They don't like home, and they'll just do whatever. Everything you've done has been incredible. You've certainly been incredible in it. Some of, you know, out of your own power. Jb.
Sean Hayes
Jb. But some of the. But also not Just the volume, but how different a lot of them have been tonally is.
Will Arnett
And also just like doing Shakespeare on Broadway and shit. I mean, like this guy, you don't know who you're dealing with with this gu.
Jason Bateman
Jude. I remember, like Jason just said all these great things that you've done your whole life. And then I remember when Spy came out with Melissa McCarthy and I was like, is that Jude Law? Like, it was the greatest left hand turn ever. I was like, I've never seen Jude do something like this. It was so good.
Jude Law
I was just. I was just mad about her. I just so wanted to work with her. She's. And witness. I think a lot of. Honestly, I've been thinking about this recently, about why. What kind of drives me and a lot of it is curiosity. It's why I've kind of done different franchises too. I sort of, you know, I really. I'm a bit of a film nerd. Like, I just love going to the movies and going to, you know, seeing stuff and having an opinion. But I'm also kind of dead curious about how do they do that? How's that done? And she was, she was flying at that time. And her and Paul Fagan, that work that they were doing, I just want.
Jason Bateman
I wanted to witness it.
Jude Law
I'll be honest, I did not feel I was in my comfort zone. I was sat. There's a scene opposite her. I suddenly realized very clearly, oh, you're the straight guy. Okay, this is fine. I can play that. Because Paul's coming over, writing all these notes, going, try that, try this. And she's just firing off. I mean, I'm holding it together, just trying to keeping a straight face, right? Just don't lose it and really make a fool of yourself. But my goodness, the speed and the ideas. And then just then, like, talk about going off on a tangent. You're sitting there thinking, what are you talking about?
Sean Hayes
She's an absolute comedy titan. I mean, Melissa McCarthy is great. And also, by the way, should we mention our good friend, my good friend Jason, yours too, Pete Sarafinowich is in that film as well. The great, lovely Pete.
Jude Law
He's fantastic in that. There's a scene where the two of them, I think, handcuffed together, right? And they're kind of lying on top. So it's a weird sort of sexy makeout scene. Kind of. We escape. God, he's good.
Sean Hayes
He's so good. By the way, a great Pete. Surf and a story. Last year, I hadn't spoken to him in about 18 months. Maybe almost two years. And we. We were. We were quite good friends years ago. I mean, we still are, but we sort of hadn't talked to each other. And out of the blue, I texted, so, what else is going on? And after I saw that it had been a couple years, and he answered almost immediately. That's about it. So. So funny.
Will Arnett
So, Jude, with all. With all of the great incoming calls I'm sure you get, how do you. Is there. I'm sure you base your choices on many, many things, but is there one thing that is, above all else, will drag you towards a project? Is. Is it the director?
Jude Law
Sorry, I was just so. Resisting money. No, yeah, of course.
Will Arnett
Well, but I mean, look, you know, there's. Everyone needs it. Is it filmmaker? Is it role? Is it location? Is it money? Is it schedule? Is there one thing that is most important to you ever, or does it change?
Jude Law
I kind of balance it up. You know, I love the idea of a challenge a little bit like the role I play in the order, which just felt like something completely new and different. And the opportunity to work with someone like Justin on that, who I knew would. I was in good hands, and he would. He'd sort of take me there.
Sean Hayes
He's the director.
Jude Law
You know those films. Justin Cazell. Yeah. And he. He. That experience was a very good experience, you know, but you have to balance a film like that with. You know, then I was like, okay, now I need to pay my rent. So, you know, you've got to kind of find something that's going to balance that out.
Sean Hayes
But also, Black Rabbit.
Jude Law
I'm curious.
Sean Hayes
God, he. Fuck G. What a shot in the. No, he did your thing for the money, dude. You're in love with the guy. You've had a great experience. And he only did it for the fucking dough.
Will Arnett
And while he was there, he did a great job.
Sean Hayes
You're a paycheck to him. Keep going, dude. Sorry I interrupted.
Jude Law
It's. I mean, you mentioned kind of all the boxes that you check. Right. And all of them at a different time have a different order. So sometimes, yeah, it's. Where are we filming this? Who's in it? All of those things come to play family.
Sean Hayes
Like, we're bringing kids. And all that kind of stuff is important, too.
Jude Law
Yeah. So, I mean, specifically over the last two years, I've got a house that's being renovated, and I'm having one of those nightmares. And it's just going on and on and on. So me and my wife and the two little ones, I've just been like, okay, well, let's just travel the world. Let's just go wherever I'm working. So we.
Will Arnett
Years.
Jude Law
For two years. So we really have. We've been in California, then we were in Canada and then France and then Australia and then New York. So it's been while. But that so really has been just following the following.
Jason Bateman
The work and the kids love it.
Jude Law
And they're very little. They're both. They're both under five. So it's not like.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Jude Law
You know, as long as we're both there looking calm and happy.
Will Arnett
They're calm and happy.
Jason Bateman
Exactly, exactly, exactly. Do you ever find like. I always find that fascinating. When you do have this schedule that you do, do you miss a home base? Do you miss a like a groundedness to come back to?
Jude Law
I thought I would more, but I really haven't. And we found some really beautiful homes around and some not so great, but mostly really good experiences. I tell you what, I have found hard. I found it really hard going back to UK because without my house, like I had this lovely home there for I've, you know, I've always lived there. But going there as a visitor and sort of renting something, it just doesn't feel right. It feels.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, it feels weird.
Jude Law
It's really disconcerting. I was just there for a couple of weeks to see my family, my parents and I don't know. But equally I've learned I quite like being a foreigner. Quite like being a foreigner in a city. It feels slightly less emotionally tiring. I don't know why in the uk, you know, if I read the news about the UK and I'm like, ah, not again. What are they doing? You know, I feel so emotionally embarrassed. It's like your uncle letting you down. Don't behave like that.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, we don't have anything like that here.
Jude Law
Where is the paper?
Sean Hayes
Here, Here.
Jude Law
I'm like, well, it's not my problem.
Will Arnett
So when you go back and you're sitting with your parents at dinner, is there ever a time to reflect and go back like we're doing now about. Hey, remember when you guys kind of lit the fuse and with the theater and stuff, like things have worked out and a little bit.
Jude Law
My mom's not so well.
Will Arnett
She.
Jude Law
The light in my mum is.
Jason Bateman
I'm sorry.
Jude Law
Or the spirit of my mum is slowly, slowly fading. She's happy and she's not in pain, but she's, you know, she's not who she. She was very much the lightning in our family. She was the kind of trailblazer she was the one putting on these plays and telling, you know, packing up our crazy little French de chevre car and saying, right, we're going to drive across France and camp. And I mean, she just was full of energy and really, I think a big part of why I'm doing what I do. And my sister does what she does, so I don't. I miss that with her. I certainly have that with my sister still and my dad. And that's fun. It's nice looking back at those. It's interesting, isn't it, the further away you get from that formative time, how you can reflect on what impact it was having on you and what direction it was sending you in. You know.
Will Arnett
We'Ll be right back.
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Will Arnett
And having done all the stuff that you've done and really proven any point you ever would have wanted to make or make people proud or yourself proud, like I can't imagine that there's any box left unchecked. But you tell me, is there something. If it came your way, you go, ah, yeah, that I have not yet done or I've been avoiding. You know, is it a. Is it a frickin musical? Is it a voice in an animated film? Is it. I mean, you've just touched so many things.
Sean Hayes
There are.
Jude Law
There are definitely filmmakers out there that I would, that I admire immensely and would really love to work with. And then. And there's the odd part. Yeah, but not sort of. I mean, there are roles in Shakespeare that I'd love to play one day on stage, but that's sort of. Not necessarily immediately, but honestly, something you and I talked about and something you're so good at, encouraging, I've seen you do it with others, is directing. I love the idea of it. It scares the hell out of me. You make it look incredibly straightforward and easy. I don't know how you do that. I mean, watching you direct, lead that team out of the gates and perform in it was really quite remarkable, mate. And it kept making me feel having.
Will Arnett
A partner like you makes it easy.
Jude Law
Truly, it makes. It made me really look at it and consider again, you scares me because of the scale of the decisions.
Sean Hayes
Is it one of those. Because you thought like, if this guy could do it, then anybody could. I get that. That makes sense.
Will Arnett
It's not as scary if this simpleton, if this.
Sean Hayes
No. Talk a little bit about It. Because he is and Jason is, and we are so proud of him. We love him dearly, and we're so proud of what he's been able to do. What it was like working with Jason as a director. Talk a little bit about that, because we do talk about it. We haven't had anybody on here, really, to talk about that experience.
Jude Law
Okay. The mood first. So talking to those who talk about his explosion.
Will Arnett
Yeah, not the explosion.
Jude Law
This is the thing, you know, you guys will know. The most important thing, I think, on a film set is the atmosphere. Right? It's a massive team. All these different groups and skill sets doing all these different things, but they all want to be appreciated. They all want their time, and they will need their time. And Jason is just a master at keeping that going. And everyone, I mean, the spirit on this. Of this company, I've got to tell you, cast, crew, everyone was so positive. I mean, that was demonstrated at the end. We had a wonderful wrap party. Everybody's there with their family. Everyone stays from, like, you know, early doors to the close. I mean, it was so popular.
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Jude Law
It is unusual. And that was led by him. And the style of the piece was. Was set up by Jason because it was his how he saw it. And he, like I said, led us out of the gates. He directed the first two. And so setting that up and getting that. Right. And sort of. What's the word? Ingraining it in the DNA of the piece. And then as an actor, Right, and then he's also there as an actor playing opposite you, leading by example. But also there was. You know, there's. There are those moments where suddenly it's just those little, little tiny words of suggestion or little tiny nudges like, this is great, this is good, but what should we go down this path? Should we try this? And it's those moments where you feel, oh, this is so much fun.
Sean Hayes
Yes. Right.
Jude Law
You're kind of playing and you're not. You know, even if you're doing a really dramatic scene, it's. You're kind of giggling to yourself, thinking, like, oh, we're doing this, like, you.
Will Arnett
Know, and our parents are out of town.
Jude Law
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we're allowed to. We keep going.
Sean Hayes
Yeah. Jb do you have that? A little bit of like, I can't believe I got the keys to the car here.
Will Arnett
Oh, every second of the day.
Jude Law
All the toys.
Will Arnett
Right, Exactly. And it was also sort of like, you got to be such a smarty pants when you're directing and be sort of serious and you gotta think about every corner of the room. But this character I was playing was such a dingbat. Like a lovely. Sort of like just simpleton. And so having to throw that switch in between, like, okay, here we go. Ready? Yeah. Okay, let's roll. And then I was sort of joking. I told Jude, I said, you know, the sort of the. What do you call it? The fix or the secret to going into my character. All I have to do is just separate my. Because this guy's kind of a mouth breather. Yeah. I go from director to this character by just separating my jaw. And we're ready to go. Here we go. Let's roll.
Jason Bateman
That's really funny.
Sean Hayes
Well, I will say. I will say before you'd actually directed. You'd actually. You'd actually directed before. But I will say, for our experience of working on Arrested Development, Jason was the ultimate team captain. And I also learned a lot about what it takes to be a captain. No, but what it takes to be a captain from that guy. Potential. The only thing I learned, because he has nothing else to teach him.
Will Arnett
I can get you to 10. I can count. You can count to 10 if I can teach you.
Sean Hayes
What's your impression, Jude? Just quickly. Thin slice of Sean. Take a look at him over there.
Jason Bateman
I look like a thin slice.
Will Arnett
Take white bread.
Sean Hayes
I mean, be honest. Be totally honest.
Jude Law
I like the. I'm going to join Sean in that bubble. I think I like the idea of being pushed around.
Will Arnett
Zip him in.
Jude Law
Yeah, let's.
Will Arnett
Trying to keep his powder dry for the Star wars section of the interview, which we can start now, Shani, if.
Jason Bateman
You'Re all set and that, and. But I have one question. I am ready to go on that. But one question before Scotty slides in.
Will Arnett
On a chair like Saturday Night Live.
Sean Hayes
Weekend Update, just like this.
Jason Bateman
We're just saying stuff. No, Jude, you know, we touched on it before a little bit. I want to go back just for a second. That kind of. That time when you're sitting between jobs and you're like, God, is something going to come? And that uncertainty of what we do. When you were younger and you went through those, did you have other jobs? Did you. Is there any attention? Like, God, I should start thinking of something else to do with my life, because I don't think anything's gonna come. And then talented Mr. Ripley comes or whatever it is?
Jude Law
Fortunately not. And I lived a pretty simple life early on. And then I became a father pretty young, and that would be all consuming. So that I was always. I mean, there was always something to do.
Jason Bateman
So fatherhood didn't scare you into thinking about another occupation? Well, luckily they're steady.
Jude Law
It was never that. It was never so much that I suddenly thought, and if it was, then I was usually saved by the life support of another job or a potential.
Jason Bateman
Another job, for sure. For sure.
Jude Law
But I realized in the last couple of years, it's been a really big shift for me with my company because suddenly, even if you know they're not coming to fruition, although we've had a pretty good run. So in the last couple of years, just having the sense that you kind of got your hands on the rain and you can develop stuff and you're communicating with writers and directors.
Will Arnett
And this is Riff Raff with the great Ben Jackson.
Jude Law
Great Ben Jackson, who's been alongside me for like 22 years. And the company has given me a much better sense of navigating those moments of thinking. Because ultimately you're still an actor waiting for someone to think you're right for a part.
Will Arnett
But if you can cook your own food, that's a real privileged place to be and you don't take it lightly. And you work really, really hard as a producer, as does he.
Jude Law
Yeah, yeah, I love it. I like the process of. I love finding ideas. I love introducing writers to directors and seeing that kind of blossom and bloom. And that is a sign. I love it.
Will Arnett
That's the way it happened with Order. Right. Didn't you contact Justin Kurzel for this? That's right, that's right. What was that conversation like? Did you know him before?
Jude Law
No, not at all.
Will Arnett
You were just a fan of Massive fan.
Jude Law
And you know when you suddenly someone and it's never me. I'm really good at chiming and having an opinion, but I'm never someone. I'm never very good with a blank page. You know, when people go, okay, let's discuss the directors. I always go, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, you can't be. I want to be smart with all smart one who goes, I've got a left of field idea. I'm always like, you go first and then. And then I'm really strong to go, no, no, no, not them, not them, not them.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, yeah.
Jude Law
But someone mentioned Justin. I think it was Zach, or it could have been Brian.
Will Arnett
Zach Balin.
Jude Law
Zach Balin, our wonderful writer who we worked together on Black Rabbit and it just was one of those, oh, yes, this is perfect fit this guy makes. This guy looks at really dark areas and kind of toxic people, but puts them in a world where you you start. There's not about empathizing with them, but you understand them. And he makes it kind of safe video go into their worlds. And then he also operates on this high energy. He's a. He's a big guy, and he loves capturing the energy of scenes and drama. And he was just the perfect fit. So, yeah, we had. It was. We zoomed with him. He was in his house in Tasmania with his big beard, and it looked literally like. And his hair all blown. It looked like he'd just come off a. Hauled in a whale and kind of come in and sat there like this and just blew us away with his insight. He's like, yeah, I think I can do this.
Will Arnett
Yeah. And then when we were looking to get a director for the finale of Black Rabbit, Zack and Jud and Zach's partner Kate, they suggested Justin Kurzel. And I was like, are you fucking kidding? We're not gonna get Justin Kurzel to direct the finale of this thing. And they're like, no, no, no. We can ask him. What do you mean, you can ask? How do you know him? Well, we just finished a movie with him. Come on. You guys just did a movie. So I had no idea that they had just worked with Justin. And thank God it went well. Cause they reached out and asked him, and he answered the phone.
Sean Hayes
They said, yeah. And was the reaction from the crew when he came to was like, now we got a director on set.
Will Arnett
Now we can get going. Exactly. There was a lot of that up.
Sean Hayes
I know, I know, I know. But by the way, if I don't do it, if I didn't say that, Jason would call me after and say, are you okay? Like, are you sick? You're a little slow today.
Jude Law
Under the weather.
Jason Bateman
Let's talk about Star wars andor Acolyte. Where does Star Wars Skeleton Crew come in the line?
Jude Law
I mean, it's. It's absolutely standalone, right?
Jason Bateman
Oh, it is. I like that.
Jude Law
Yeah. I mean, it fits in. I think it's around the same time as the Mandalorian. But here's. Here's what got me. You know, I was 6, 7 when the first film came out. And I was thinking about this the other day. I mean, I don't remember going. I maybe saw the rescuers or 101 Dalmatians.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Jude Law
And then Star Wars. And so to me, that was cinema. I was like, holy cow, what the hell is this? And not only that. For the next five years, it was what I played. I realized, you know, it was. I was living it. I was Running around my yard going, pew, pew. Right.
Will Arnett
I'm Han.
Jude Law
You're. You know, I'm Vader.
Jason Bateman
Still am. Yeah.
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Jude Law
And, you know, so it was formative, and John Watts just had this awesome idea. He called me and said, so look, you know, what if we. All that awe and wonder and dazzle that we had as kids, what if we put the kids in that world? So it's taking Goonies, it's taking normal kids who kind of argue and they don't get on with their parents or they don't get on with each other. They don't like school, they run away, they get lost, and they're in that world.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. That's really cool.
Jude Law
I was just like, this is a great idea.
Will Arnett
I love that. Have you enjoyed that style of work with the volume stages, the green screen?
Jude Law
It was all volume, luckily. Yeah. I mean, I think had it been all green, I don't know that I would have enjoyed it as much. I've done that before. The volume is really wonderful.
Will Arnett
I mean.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, really.
Will Arnett
For Tracy, this is. This is a stage that's. Basically. Every wall is like a big movie screen. So you.
Jude Law
With high definition.
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Will Arnett
You're living in an atmosphere.
Jude Law
So they, they, they, they. They put the, the flooring in. So say you're on a moon. The floor is dust and sand and rocks and boulders, but it goes right up to the volume screen. And then the perspective of the screen just carries on. So you can be standing in a desert that disappears for hundreds of miles with ships flying around you and it. With a wind blowing. Right. They use a wind machine. So you, you're, you're on, You're. For all intents and purposes, you're on that movie.
Sean Hayes
And so it's not just for the viewer, too, as, as an actor, when, when you're performing, you're actually seeing that you're. You're experiencing that as well.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, that's really cool.
Jude Law
And, and, and the same goes for then, a more cluttered set, like a mas market. We did this huge space port and they built all the, you know, the machine, the, the bars and the, the stalls and what have you. And each avenue looks like it just goes on and on and on and on. And you've got creatures crossing over. And of course, what you've really only got is, I'd say 50 foot of that, and then the rest is just all on these huge screens.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, that's really cool.
Sean Hayes
That's so many.
Jason Bateman
I want to go back to Sean.
Sean Hayes
You should do one where you could have your dad. Like, he's there.
Jason Bateman
I don't. I don't think there's screens.
Sean Hayes
And you can have it so that he's not leaving. He's staying.
Will Arnett
You can just put the screen on pause.
Sean Hayes
He's not leaving your family. Wait, before we get out of the skeleton crew world, talk about who else is in that with you? Because I think I read somebody that I know is in that with you. Who else is in it?
Jude Law
Carrie Condon and Tunde from TV on the Radio. And then there are four kids. Do you know Tunde? He's a lovely guy.
Sean Hayes
I met him a couple times. Really cool. I'm a big fan of TV on the Radio.
Jude Law
Yeah, me too. And his interesting piece of trivia.
Sean Hayes
He was great. And Rachel got married. Remember, he was in that.
Jude Law
That's right. That's right. Demi. Demi film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did they play all the music live in that? I think they did.
Sean Hayes
Did they?
Jude Law
In real time? I think that was. That was. That was the idea on that film that when. Cause remember, they're in a band and they're all playing at the wedding.
Sean Hayes
I love the way that film looked. You remember the color of that film and. Yeah.
Will Arnett
Is it Ted Demi or Jonathan Demi?
Jude Law
Oh, good question. Jonathan.
Sean Hayes
Jonathan. Both.
Jason Bateman
Jude, when you. When you named all those.
Sean Hayes
Nick Frost. Is Nick Frost in it?
Jude Law
Nick Frost is the voice of a droid.
Jason Bateman
Oh, I love Nick Frost.
Sean Hayes
I. Nick Frost is one of my favorite. Sorry, Sean. He's one of my favorite of all time. I love Nick. He's so. Me too.
Will Arnett
Me too.
Sean Hayes
Fucking. We all know. He's so fucking funny.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, he is funny. When you. When you were going. Jude, when you were talking about going from city to city to, you know, in the last few years, just going all those cities you named, is it hard to keep a schedule for eating properly, working out, taking care of yourself with the time differences and then the living in a trailer and then coming back to a hotel, it seems like so. It's like to me, it seems so disruptive and a gorgeous life because we're all doing what we love to do. But how do you maintain a good schedule for yourself?
Jude Law
Allow a lot of time when I land somewhere to get over jet lag. I'm not one of those people who can just pick straight up and get. I'm like, give me a couple of days. Because I think jet lag really is like an illness. You got to kind of love yourself. It's like you've got flu. Just go to Bed, you know, and. But you've also then. Yeah. Once you're out of that. I enjoy. I really like keeping fit. So I train quite hard every day, usually before I go to work. So whatever that time is, I usually go do something for an hour.
Jason Bateman
Right.
Jude Law
And then I usually take my own food so I can eat when I really want. I can't be doing on a set where they're like lunch and you're like, it's 5pm you're talking like, what was I meant? I got to eat at the right time.
Jason Bateman
Right, Right.
Will Arnett
So I eat.
Jude Law
Like, I get up and I eat in the morning. I make sure I got food. So when it's midday or one, I eat my lunch.
Sean Hayes
Are you particular about your food? Like, do you eat quite healthily and et cetera?
Jude Law
Yeah, I'll eat anything. But I kind of get. I get. I can feel myself getting a bit slower and stodgier if I. If I don't eat well.
Jason Bateman
Yeah.
Jude Law
But I'm not. I'm. I am kind of got a funny relationship. Like, I really love a good restaurant. I love good food. But equally, it's just fuel.
Sean Hayes
You know what?
Jason Bateman
I like lamb. You like lamb?
Jude Law
I love lamb. Lamb chops.
Sean Hayes
Yes. Hang on a second. Hey, man, we're not doing non sequiturs out of left field right now. I like lamb. You know what? I had lamb last night.
Jason Bateman
I want lamb chops.
Sean Hayes
I had lamb last night.
Will Arnett
Wait there at the house or did you go at. Did you go to a restaurant, Willie?
Sean Hayes
No, I had lamb at home. Here. Yeah. And you know what I was really upset with?
Jude Law
Was it a lamb shank?
Sean Hayes
They were lamb chops and I didn't have any. Somehow there was no mint jelly or mint sauce.
Jude Law
You see, my wife loves the mint jelly. I'm not fussed by that. As long as there's a little. As long as it's got a little seed seasoning on it.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, I really need it. You know, Jude, we. Honestly, I don't know about you guys. I mean, we could just keep this going forever probably, if you wanted to. I know. Jason, you were so right. He's. And we're gonna save this for the wrap up, but he is something else. Jude, what an absolute delight we have.
Jude Law
Kept no for me too.
Will Arnett
Oh, God, I'm so happy you did this. We'll do it again when Black Rabbit comes on in about a year.
Sean Hayes
Yes.
Will Arnett
Got it. And I just. I'm crazy about you. Love you. I'm going to talk to you. I'm actually going to call you right after the end of this because I need to ask a question about something. But thank you, buddy, for doing this. Enjoy the rest of your press trip. Stay rested and get back to the family and enjoy the winter.
Jude Law
Yeah, it's. What a joy. And so lovely to see the three of you like this is. This has been a joy.
Sean Hayes
Thank you.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, it's good to see you, Judah.
Will Arnett
Great luck with the order. Everybody. Go see the order.
Sean Hayes
Yeah.
Will Arnett
So damn good.
Sean Hayes
Go see anything that Jude's.
Jude Law
Go see it and talk about it.
Sean Hayes
Go see it. Go see it. Go watch it. Go stream it. Go see it. Jude, you are a gentleman. Thank you, sir.
Jude Law
Take care.
Will Arnett
Thank you, buddy.
Jason Bateman
Goodbye, best wishes.
Jude Law
Bye.
Sean Hayes
Bye.
Jude Law
Do I do that?
Jason Bateman
Yep.
Will Arnett
He did it. He did it.
Jason Bateman
He's fantastic.
Will Arnett
So, guys, I'm telling you, this guy, if you think he's great on a podcast or a zoom call, try going in the trenches with him for eight months.
Jason Bateman
You always talked about how much joy you had with him.
Sean Hayes
You really did. And you. And you. And it was unsolicited. Like, you would just be like, God, that's your law. While you were making it from every stage of it, you're like, God, this guy is great. God, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like you were just. And you meant it.
Will Arnett
Yeah, yeah. He's one of the best partners ever. I'll tell you. One of the other ones was. Guy we mentioned was Matt Damon. Did that. That little bit on air. And I mean, like, just the level of experience and professionalism with these guys is just not to be under. Value valued on a. On a.
Jason Bateman
Also probably comes from gratitude, too. Like, we all know what it's like not to work. And then when you get, you know, when you're. Yeah, you're lucky enough, they definitely appreciate where they're at.
Sean Hayes
Jb, have you ever seen that Gattaca?
Will Arnett
I did, but I don't. I don't remember it. Which is not.
Sean Hayes
Sean, you've seen it, right?
Jason Bateman
I can't believe I've never seen it.
Sean Hayes
Sean.
Jason Bateman
I know I'm going to watch it.
Sean Hayes
I really urge people and I. Again, I don't want to. I've waxed on a lot about it, but that film is really a remarkable bowl film and it's really good. And Jude is so. It's hard to imagine that it's one of the first things he did. Cause he's so excellent in it.
Will Arnett
You know, he never. He's one of those actors. Never sucks.
Sean Hayes
Never ever. You're exactly right, jp. He's in the John Goodman School, he never, ever sucks, ever.
Will Arnett
Actors who know kind of what their goalposts are and have the discipline to not, you know, or the overindulgence to step outside of that. Like, he finds a version of himself in every character that. That he does, and yet he never plays anything safe. So, you know, it's just pretty cool. Thank you for bringing him on.
Sean Hayes
Yeah. I was so happy to be able to have him because obviously he should have been your guest, but I was happy to.
Will Arnett
We'll get him next.
Sean Hayes
Well, I wanted him a long time ago, before you guys started working together.
Will Arnett
Oh, really?
Sean Hayes
Yeah. Yeah, So I wanted him a long time ago. And then it just sort of. This is when it happened. I'm glad that we made it through the entire interview without talking about fucking Robert Downey. You know what I mean? I mean, oh, that guy Sherlock. Because Downey has gotten so much fucking free air. I'm so mad at Downey.
Jason Bateman
What?
Sean Hayes
Because why? Just in general. Just because.
Will Arnett
Just success. The success.
Sean Hayes
His success. And I know he's very deserving of it. Blah, blah. But I'm just kind of.
Will Arnett
Let's have a counterpoint. Where do you think he's over indexing opinions? Yeah.
Sean Hayes
He'Ll just. He'll call me. He'll he. You want to talk about FaceTime? You always. He faced Downey. FaceTimes in a way, like, it's so out of the blue, unexplained. And then he's in the bath and he'll go, you know, I was thinking what you should do. And I'm like, fucking what, man?
Will Arnett
Towel off and just call me or write me.
Sean Hayes
Yeah, I do love him. I do love him to death, though. I will say I fucking love.
Will Arnett
He's doing a big play. Go see his Play.
Sean Hayes
Go see McNeil with our good friend Robert Downey.
Jason Bateman
I think it's probably closed by now. What depends on this. Airs.
Sean Hayes
Oh, yeah, it depends on what it airs.
Will Arnett
Lincoln Center.
Sean Hayes
But I tell you what never closes is Jude Law's talent.
Jason Bateman
So good.
Will Arnett
That is always open.
Sean Hayes
Always open 24 7. Think about Jay, you said. And Sean, you named it. Like, think about all the different films that he's. When I was thinking about.
Will Arnett
But you're not even touching his theater. This guy has been on Broadway with, like, Othello or Hamlet or Macbeth or probably all three of them. I think he got a Tony nomination for one of those. Or maybe one.
Sean Hayes
I mean, he's just done. We. We didn't mention. We did not mention the. The Sherlock Holmes films, which were major Major hits. Road to Predition. You ever seen that incredible movie Cold Mountain? He got an Academy Award nomination for. That was amazing. AI. He was in that film. AI back in.
Jason Bateman
Yeah, I love that.
Sean Hayes
Like 20 years ago.
Will Arnett
Yeah.
Sean Hayes
Enemy at the Gates. You ever seen that film, Enemy at the Gates, where he plays. I think he plays like a. A sniper in Stalingrad. Is that the one?
Will Arnett
Oh, really? No, I haven't seen that one.
Jason Bateman
Dude, I'm up for all the same parts all the time.
Sean Hayes
You are?
Will Arnett
Three callbacks.
Sean Hayes
You've been up for them?
Jason Bateman
Yeah, yeah.
Will Arnett
The animated version of each of these.
Jason Bateman
Sniper. Real snipers.
Sean Hayes
Yeah. Really?
Jason Bateman
Yeah. Sniper City. One's called Sniper City. The other one's called Sniper City. Sniper 1. Another one's called Sniper. I didn't even know her. Wow. Yeah.
Sean Hayes
You know what? I haven't heard of it. I wonder. I wonder who all those are. Out.
Jason Bateman
Those are out now.
Sean Hayes
I wonder who they were.
Jason Bateman
Those were written by Jason. Doesn't even say it.
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SmartLess Podcast Summary: Episode Featuring Jude Law Release Date: November 11, 2024
Introduction
In this episode of SmartLess, hosts Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett are thrilled to welcome acclaimed actor Jude Law as their mystery guest. The trio engages Jude in a heartfelt and humorous conversation, delving into his illustrious career, personal experiences, and insights into the film industry.
Jude Law’s Career and Recent Projects
The discussion kicks off with Jude Law sharing his experiences from his latest film, The Order. Will Arnett enthusiastically endorses the movie, highlighting its gripping narrative and Jude's stellar performance. Jude elaborates on the film's inspiration, drawing parallels to classic thrillers and emphasizing its relevance to contemporary societal issues.
Jude Law [09:30]: "It's a very odd part of what we do. Because most people have their first day on a job in their 20s or 30s, but we change jobs three times a year."
Key Projects Discussed:
Jude Law [27:32]: "I got those newcomer awards and you know, welcome to the gang awards kind of thing."
Experiences on Set and Collaboration with Jason Bateman
A significant portion of the conversation revolves around Jude’s collaboration with Jason Bateman on Black Rabbit. Jude praises Jason's directorial skills and his ability to maintain a positive atmosphere on set.
Jude Law [50:12]: "Jason is just a master at keeping that going. The spirit on this company, cast, crew, everyone was so positive."
Sean Hayes highlights the unique dynamic between Jude and Jason, noting how their friendship enhances their professional collaboration.
Sean Hayes [65:11]: "You really did. And you. And you. And it was unsolicited. Like, you would just be like, God, this guy is great."
Balancing Personal Life and a Demanding Career
Jude Law opens up about balancing his career with his personal life, particularly focusing on fatherhood. He discusses the challenges of constantly traveling and maintaining a routine while ensuring his family's well-being.
Jude Law [42:42]: "We've been in California, then we were in Canada and then France and then Australia and then New York. So it's been while."
He also shares strategies for managing jet lag and maintaining his fitness regimen, emphasizing the importance of self-care amidst a hectic schedule.
Jude Law [63:01]: "I train quite hard every day, usually before I go to work."
Insights on Filmmaking and Directing
The conversation takes an insightful turn as the hosts explore Jude’s interest in directing. Jude admits his admiration for the craft and expresses a desire to venture into directing, inspired by his experiences on set.
Jude Law [48:50]: "I love the idea of directing. It scares the hell out of me, but it's something I've been considering."
Sean and Will commend Jude’s potential as a director, noting his creative vision and leadership qualities demonstrated during their collaborations.
Sean Hayes [49:50]: "You make it look incredibly straightforward and easy."
Reflections on Early Career and the Nature of Acting
Jude reflects on his early career beginnings, the unpredictability of the acting industry, and the importance of perseverance.
Jude Law [30:40]: "It holds up, but at the time, it just sort of disappeared. And I kind of realized you gotta keep trying."
He also discusses the transient nature of acting roles and the emotional challenges of forming and losing connections with co-stars.
Jude Law [10:00]: "It's an odd thing of building in a distance with people so you won't get hurt."
Final Thoughts and Conclusion
As the episode wraps up, the hosts and Jude share their mutual respect and admiration. Sean Hayes expresses his delight in having Jude as a guest, while Jude reciprocates the feelings, appreciating the camaraderie and support from his friends.
Sean Hayes [65:44]: "Go watch it. Jude, you are a gentleman. Thank you, sir."
Will Arnett concludes with heartfelt thanks, emphasizing Jude's talent and the joy of working alongside him.
Will Arnett [66:13]: "Thank you for bringing him on."
The episode closes on a warm note, celebrating Jude Law’s contributions to cinema and the enduring friendship between the hosts.
Notable Quotes
This episode offers an intimate glimpse into Jude Law's life, blending professional achievements with personal anecdotes. Through engaging dialogue and heartfelt exchanges, the hosts and Jude explore the nuances of acting, directing, and maintaining meaningful relationships in the fast-paced world of cinema.