"Kris Jenner"

Summary

SmartLess Podcast: "Kris Jenner" (March 9, 2026)

Hosts: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett (with guest Willie Geist)
Guest: Kris Jenner
Episode Theme:
A candid and wide-ranging conversation with Kris Jenner, the matriarch of the Kardashian-Jenner empire. The discussion delves into her upbringing, entrepreneurial journey, family values, the birth and evolution of “Keeping Up With the Kardashians,” the power of social media, and her life as a mother, manager, and mogul.

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Main Themes & Purpose

This episode captures Kris Jenner’s perspective on building a successful business and family brand, balancing motherhood and management, and adapting to the ever-changing world of media and technology. The hosts and guest reflect on work ethic, legacy, and the genuine bonds that define the Kardashian-Jenner clan.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Life, Family Influence, and Work Ethic

Timestamp: 06:28 – 22:01

• Childhood Dreams & Family Values

  • Kris reveals that from a young age she dreamed of being a mom with six kids, which became a driving force in her life.
    • “I used to dream about being a mom. When I was 16, I decided I wanted six kids.” (Kris, 06:29)

• Entrepreneurial Roots

  • Her mother and grandmother both owned stores in La Jolla, CA—Kris credits them as her earliest business inspirations.
  • She learned practical skills in their shops, starting as a gift wrapper, then moving to customer and cashier roles, instilling business acumen and a love for work structure.
    • “Those were some of the best learning years of my life because I learned so much.” (Kris, 17:54)

• First Jobs and Work Ethic

  • Kris shares stories of early work experiences, including scraping glaze off donut shop floors in exchange for money and donut holes.
    • “I was the best glaze scraper in, I think, San Diego.” (Kris, 25:43)

• Personal Presentation and Manners

  • She emphasizes values taught by her mother and grandmother: “Look your best. Be on your best behavior. If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all… really good manners.” (Kris, 21:12)

2. Parenting Approach & Family Structure

Timestamp: 19:38 – 20:54 and 64:21 – 77:16

• Raising Kids with Purpose

  • “You’re laying in bed, life is happening. Get up. We’ve got stuff to do.” (Kris, 20:54)
  • Kris discusses instilling work ethic and self-reliance (“Make your beds!”) and making sure her kids woke up early, made their beds, and started their days productively.

• Motherhood vs. Management

  • Kris addresses the challenge of being both mother and manager:
    • “My most important role… that’s the most important thing in my life. God first, family second. Everything else is third.” (Kris, 64:21)
  • She shares pride in her children’s character and kindness over all of their business achievements.

• Supporting Each Child Uniquely

  • Kris is accessible to her kids, receiving calls/texts as early as 5am, and provides emotional check-ins, advice, and unconditional support.
  • Kris describes each child’s strengths (e.g., Khloe is the “Pied Piper” and a source of emotional support; Kendall is her therapist).

• Family Togetherness

  • Although the kids have grown, most live within the same gated community, with daily interactions and strong traditions making for a tightly-knit family.

3. Business Mindset, Education, and Advice

Timestamp: 29:40 – 36:03

• Views on Education

  • Kris is open about not attending college, stressing that life paths don’t have to follow the traditional educational route.
    • “I did not go to college… I love to learn, but everyone learns differently.” (Kris, 30:11)
  • She believes practical experience and social intelligence are equally important, but acknowledges that certain careers (medicine, law) do require formal education.

• Advice to Young Entrepreneurs

  • Encourages following passion, starting early, and finding structure, purpose, and a supportive community.

4. Media, Reality TV, and the Kardashian Brand

Timestamp: 36:29 – 54:52

• Origin of 'Keeping Up With the Kardashians'

  • The show was born from Kris’s intuition, recognizing her family’s unique dynamic and the potential of reality TV after encouragement from friends and industry contacts.
  • Ryan Seacrest got involved after hearing about the energy in the Jenner home.
    • “Thirty days later, we were shooting ‘Keeping Up With the Kardashians.’” (Kris, 39:20)

• Early Days and Production Realities

  • The family filmed 7-8 days a week, up to 18 hours daily at the start.
  • Kris negotiated editing rights from day one, which helped the family feel comfortable on camera and protected their narrative.
    • “I’m probably one of the only women in reality television world that has editing rights to our show.” (Kris, 42:55)

• Fame and Criticism

  • As public scrutiny and social media grew, Kris enforced a rule for her children not to engage with online negativity.
    • “Nobody’s going on the Internet. Nobody’s engaging in the bullshit.” (Kris, 46:55)
  • She emphasizes the value of thick skin, mutual support, and focusing on their own truth rather than public opinion.

5. Social Media & Business Transformation

Timestamp: 51:03 – 59:17

• Game-Changing Social Media

  • Kris credits Kim for pioneering direct-to-audience engagement using Twitter (crowdsourcing packaging for fragrances, fostering community).
    • “She genuinely wanted her own focus group… as her audience grew, our audience grew.” (Kris, 51:03)
  • Platforms like Twitter and Instagram revolutionized their brand-building and business—bypassing old-school advertising and establishing a new playbook for influencer entrepreneurship.

• Kylie’s Lip Kit Launch

  • Kylie Jenner’s Lip Kit launch sold out in seconds, with zero traditional advertising, purely leveraging social engagement.
    • “We thought the site crashed… it was just sold out in seconds.” (Kris, 58:32)

• Industry Impact

  • The family’s approach not only built their brands but also transformed industry best practices for media companies, corporations, and aspiring influencers worldwide.

6. Legacy, Memory, and Daily Life

Timestamp: 60:59 – 77:16

• Archiving Family Memories

  • Kris is meticulous about recording family history—she prints out and archives all her favorite digital photos each year to preserve real memories.
    • “I think everybody should go copy their friends [photos] once a year and archive it in a box.” (Kris, 62:24)

• Delegation and Balance

  • Kris discusses managing decision fatigue and the necessity of delegating when possible, but she remains committed to being emotionally available to her family.

• What She Can’t Delegate

  • Being the emotional anchor and support system for her family is non-negotiable for Kris, no matter how busy her schedule gets.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “My most important role… that’s the most important thing in my life. God first, family second. Everything else is third.” (Kris Jenner, 64:21)
• “I negotiated editing rights. From day one… It made us be the way we always are.” (Kris Jenner, 42:55)
• “She [Kylie] disrupted an entire beauty business because she pressed send on a link… it was just sold out in seconds.” (Kris Jenner, 58:32)
• “The earlier you know what you love to do, the more success you're likely to have later.” (Jason Bateman, 35:42)

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Segment Timestamps

• Early Influences, Childhood & Entrepreneurial Spark – 06:28 to 22:01
• Family Values & Parenting Philosophy – 19:38, 20:54, and 64:21 onward
• Education & Business Perspective – 29:40 to 36:03
• The Birth of Reality TV Empire – 36:29 to 54:52
• The Social Media Revolution & Business Reinvention – 51:03 to 59:17
• Legacy, Memory, and Daily Life – 60:59 to 77:16
• Reflection on Character, Parenting & Family Legacy – 64:21 to 77:16
• Transitioning to Scripted TV (All’s Fair) – 77:47 to 82:07

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Final Thoughts

Kris Jenner’s episode is an inspiring, insightful, and often humorous look at a woman who has masterfully blended business acumen with family values, set new standards for personal branding, and remained fiercely dedicated to her children. The conversation is peppered with nostalgia, practical advice, and moments of vulnerability, making it a captivating listen for fans and newcomers alike.

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For listeners seeking lessons in entrepreneurship, parenting, media innovation, or simply the stamina required to operate at Kris Jenner’s level, this episode delivers on all fronts.

Transcript

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[Kris Jenner]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Kris Jenner]

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[Willie Geist]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Kris Jenner]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Got out of there on Saturday.

[Willie Geist]

I got very lucky.

[Jason Bateman]

I was doing a cold open. That's okay.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. We're just in the middle of the cold open.

[Willie Geist]

Sorry.

[Sean Hayes]

We'll get back to you.

[Kris Jenner]

Wait, hang on.

[Willie Geist]

Welcome to Unknown.

[Sean Hayes]

Smart, Smart,

[Willie Geist]

Smart, Smart. Less.

[Jason Bateman]

I never saw Field of Dreams. Yeah. And Scotty. And Scotty put it up. And he's like. I was like, yeah, let's watch this. I never saw, like, it's. Yeah. Have you. You've seen.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, hang on. And did you. So he built it. You came

[Willie Geist]

really nice.

[Sean Hayes]

Jason, what did you. What did you think of it?

[Jason Bateman]

I thought it was so good. I thought the tone was really good. I thought.

[Willie Geist]

Oh, don't need a detailed review.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I thought. I thought it was. First of all, I didn't know what it was. I mean, I've seen clips about clips of it, like, over the decades. So I kind of had an idea, and I've of course, known the phrase build it, and he will come whenever, but I never.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm sure I've ever seen it.

[Jason Bateman]

I've got to watch it.

[Sean Hayes]

It's really, really. You'd watch it for a second time.

[Jason Bateman]

I would.

[Sean Hayes]

Wow.

[Willie Geist]

Watch it. Have him over to your theater, jb.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. So you've never seen it, Jason?

[Sean Hayes]

I don't think I have, no. I don't know. Ever seen Major League and I don't know if I've ever seen Bull Durham.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, this is. Yeah, you're a baseball crazy.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I know. I've seen the Natural a bunch.

[Willie Geist]

Bull Durham is excellent.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I've never seen any of that.

[Sean Hayes]

Maybe I'll just see little clips of it on social media, you know, and

[Jason Bateman]

then just piece it together.

[Willie Geist]

Oh, that's a good way to do it. Like my kids do like, like kind of 20 seconds at a time.

[Sean Hayes]

This is the way the kids are eating.

[Jason Bateman]

What do you guys think about what do you guys think about that? They're making those little clips now. Isn't there like one minute episodes now of Stuff? Have you heard about this?

[Sean Hayes]

That is it maybe on Tubi. Do I have to be.

[Willie Geist]

You do. You do currently, no.

[Jason Bateman]

But you guys. Does anybody know about this?

[Sean Hayes]

Quibi was the.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, Quibi was the first thing. But then, you know, that didn't work out for whatever reason.

[Sean Hayes]

So there's now episodes of Stuff.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. And now that's really. That's what I read that it's really picking up on Tick Tock. And they'll do like a whole season is five minutes really. And each, each episode. Each episode is like a minute or two minutes.

[Willie Geist]

Must be riveting.

[Jason Bateman]

You haven't heard about that.

[Sean Hayes]

That can't be a good thing.

[Willie Geist]

I actually haven't. I have not heard of it.

[Jason Bateman]

Michael Bennett. Rob, have you heard about that?

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Verticals.

[Willie Geist]

Well, Rob, first of all, take the judgment out of your voice when you

[Sean Hayes]

say, oh yeah, we need to work on. We need to work on our attention span. All of us on this planet. Right, I know.

[Willie Geist]

I think we need to watch stuff that's longer. I think that that's been. I was reading longer, slower.

[Jason Bateman]

Everybody watch Field of Dreams.

[Willie Geist]

It's really all the tech. All the tech billionaires. Don't they really limit their kids access to short form stuff? Because they realize that there's studies that show it has a direct impact on kids.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, listen, this is helpful then today because what I've got with us today is somebody who might be able to opine on some of these things and give us a look around the corner a little bit for what might be coming with us. Today is a leader of an empire.

[Willie Geist]

Ooh.

[Sean Hayes]

She has launched and is the guiding force behind at least 10 companies, by my count, which generated dollars in the billions. I'm sure her business skills and know how are matched only by her meteor savvy and cultural instincts. Her abilities as a manager and a parent, however, is where it all started. Here to tell us how on earth she does it and where it all goes from here is the one, the only, Kris Jenner.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, look at that.

[Sean Hayes]

Chris.

[Willie Geist]

Chris.

[Sean Hayes]

Hey, guys. I am very excited that you are with us today. I've you on the show for, you know, very, very long time. Just I've been afraid to.

[Kris Jenner]

We're travel buddies. We go on vacation together, Jason and I.

[Jason Bateman]

Is that true?

[Kris Jenner]

And Amanda. Yeah, we do.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

We kind of plan it, but it's an accident, so I'll let you guys figure that one out.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

Okay.

[Sean Hayes]

Just fascinating to talk to and. And I'm really, really happy you're with us today, so thank you. All right, let me just, like, could you. There's no way you could IM that your adult life would be here where we are now, I would imagine. What did you think you were going to be when you grew up? Was there an early idea, plan, goal, dream?

[Jason Bateman]

A mom.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. Really?

[Jason Bateman]

Really.

[Kris Jenner]

I used to dream about being a mom. When I was 16, I decided I wanted six kids.

[Sean Hayes]

No way.

[Kris Jenner]

And, yeah. So, I mean, that was sort of embedded in my head. That. That was my. My magical number, and that's what I wanted to do with my life. And I couldn't wait to be a mom and have my first baby. And I had my first baby. I got pregnant when I was 22.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And I met Robert Kardashian when I was 17.

[Sean Hayes]

How and where is it a meet cute.

[Kris Jenner]

We met at the racetrack in Del Mar.

[Sean Hayes]

No way.

[Willie Geist]

Wow.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. And I wasn't old enough to bet, so I had to stand to the side while my girlfriend's mom placed our bets for, like, $2. And I was gonna. I was so excited. And I was all dressed up, and I was standing there, and he came up to me and said, you know, what's your name? And I told him, and he was a little cheeky, and I was really annoyed. Like, you're a stranger. Go away. And, you know, the world was a much different place. Like, you trusted people. But there was also no way to contact somebody unless you had their phone number and you were standing by your phone in the kitchen to receive the phone call and blah, blah, blah. I mean, it was a Weird world. The best times of my life.

[Sean Hayes]

But you couldn't snap one another, you mean?

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, no, there was no Internet, no phone, no cell phones, no computer, no ipod. None of it. No technology. And so he asked me for my name and I gave it to him. And he asked me for my number, and I didn't give it to him. But his best friend, this girl, worked at the phone company.

[Willie Geist]

I knew you were going to say that. Every story from back then had to be like, I knew somebody at the phone company. That's the only way.

[Kris Jenner]

Right? And they looked at my name and there was my phone number.

[Sean Hayes]

I mean, listen, every romantic, sort of like he just pursued me.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, yeah, Stalker, romantic.

[Sean Hayes]

But wait, I want to get back to the racetrack. So wait,

[Kris Jenner]

I've been there at the Del Mar racetrack.

[Sean Hayes]

It's a very unique environment. Any racetrack. It's so kind of fun. Did you know what you were doing or were you just like, oh, that's a fun name. Let's pick that horse?

[Kris Jenner]

Well, no, I had no idea what I was doing.

[Sean Hayes]

You weren't watching them warm up?

[Kris Jenner]

No idea.

[Sean Hayes]

You didn't know what horses were good muckers? No.

[Kris Jenner]

Well, we walked around looking like we knew what we were doing, but we were just, you know, probably, you know, it's so visual. Like going to the racetrack in the 70s was like. Like the hats and the suits and the beauty and the horses and the. Everyone's got a cocktail. And I mean, it was very grown up.

[Sean Hayes]

Still kind of is right at the, like, Kentucky Derby still, like a big, like, glamorous thing. Have you ever been there?

[Kris Jenner]

Yes, it was California's Kentucky. I have been once with Kim, and we went to the races. We were supposed to go out afterwards with a bunch of people and have a, you know, to the party that they give afterwards. And I was drinking these things called a Mint julep in a little tin cup. And I, Kim and I had. Kim didn't even drink in those days. She still doesn't really drink. But I did.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And I had too many. And I said, I gotta go to bed. I'm too tired.

[Sean Hayes]

They're too tasty. I think I remember those things.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. So I just went to sleep.

[Willie Geist]

Did you go, jb, did you go to.

[Sean Hayes]

I've never been to the, to the Kentucky Derby, no. But I, I've, I, I, I met, I met a Mint julep once.

[Willie Geist]

I gotta say, I'm, I'm really taken with. I want to go back to the phone company and the note. You couldn't get in touch with any. And the magic of Del Mar back then, and everybody wasn't in touch with each other all the time. And you could go and do something like that, and you weren't bothered by your other life. You were just there. You were where you were. And I'm really taken with that idea.

[Sean Hayes]

There weren't even answering machines back then.

[Willie Geist]

Not really. I mean, a couple.

[Kris Jenner]

No, there was no answering machine.

[Jason Bateman]

You either had to be home or not.

[Kris Jenner]

There wasn't any kind of. I mean, I don't think there was a show like Entertainment Tonight or any of the, you know, the shows like that. And the Del Mar races sounded so glamorous. And my mom used to go. And I used to watch my mom when I was a little girl walk out the door in her beautiful dress and her big hat, going with her friends, and when she was single or when she met my stepdad, going with my stepdad and we're going to the races. And it sounded so. Like, what, you're going to the horse races?

[Sean Hayes]

And you only.

[Kris Jenner]

Only saw horse races in the movies, right? Like, you would see, like, a scene like that. And I was, like, going to this glamorous thing.

[Jason Bateman]

I would go to the grocery store with my mom, and we'd go shopping, and after she checked out, after we checked out, she would stop at this counter and buy race car, our racehorse tickets to then go watch at home to see if the number went. Yeah. And I'm like, we could barely afford peanut butter. And she's, like, buying, you know, gambling on the way out the door.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Bateman]

And then we watch the race tracks at race things at home.

[Kris Jenner]

Races. I didn't know you could do that.

[Willie Geist]

She always kept an eye on the horses.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Do you guys. Do you guys ever do. Do you guys ever do the lotto? Like, do you go for the mega millions?

[Sean Hayes]

Like, a couple of times I've done it. Yeah. There is. I mean, gambling is. I used to have a bit of a fun, Fun time with gambling. I no longer do, but it is. It's still something that sort of, like, lives. Yeah. Yeah. Shawnie, you just went to Vegas, right?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

Sean loves it. But I will say this. A friend of mine said to me recently, I love this idea. He said, yeah, I buy, you know, when the. When the mega million or whatever it is hits like, a billion dollars, like, I end up buying a couple tickets. I said, really? He seemed like the most unlikely. My buddy Clay and I go, really? You buy that lotto ticket? And he goes, yeah, you know why I buy It, I buy it for that five minutes after I've bought it and I'm in the car. And that feeling, that feeling is just as good as winning.

[Sean Hayes]

What would I do?

[Willie Geist]

Just getting that feeling. It's only about the feel the money and whatever. Sure. But it's the feeling that we're after. I enjoy that feeling. And I was like, that's good.

[Jason Bateman]

I think it's funny that people go like, I think it's funny that there's people that line up the street to buy a billion dollar lottery ticket but not a $50 million ticket. Like that's not enough.

[Willie Geist]

That's not going to do enough for 50.

[Jason Bateman]

Do you know what I mean?

[Sean Hayes]

50.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I'll wait till it gets to a billion.

[Sean Hayes]

Read somewhere that AI now can really help your number picking. Like stop. Yeah, you can like go on like some of these AI things and say, give me the, give me the numbers that are gonna win the lottery this weekend. And they'll actually give you some that get pretty close, apparently.

[Kris Jenner]

Wow. Well, you could. Well like if it's a billion dollars, I mean you could win a hundred million if you're like the numbers. Right?

[Jason Bateman]

Just two. Just two numbers.

[Sean Hayes]

Now, talking about your mom and your stepdad. Was it your stepdad? You realize very quickly this is not hard hitting journalism here. I, a stepdad was a businessman perhaps?

[Kris Jenner]

No, my stepdad was actually, he had two businesses. My stepdad, my uncle had a car dealership and my stepdad would have a kit and he would go to the car dealership and stripe the cars. Oh, did anybody remember that phase?

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, Give it like a, you take

[Kris Jenner]

like it's like a tape pinstripe or something. Yeah, like a pinstripe. You pinstriped a car in a couple of hours and in those days it was done with a very thin tape. And my dad was San Diego's premier tape car.

[Willie Geist]

Tape.

[Jason Bateman]

And wait, would it just be a piece of tape on the car?

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

And it wouldn't just come off.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. Like Starsky and Hutch, you know, like that big like Nike swoosh.

[Kris Jenner]

Exactly.

[Willie Geist]

I had one in my old Chevy Tahoe 25 years ago. Cause it came with a thin orange and I didn't like it. So I went to a guy and he put a thin blue over it.

[Kris Jenner]

That's right.

[Jason Bateman]

And it just made all the difference.

[Kris Jenner]

That's right.

[Sean Hayes]

You know what you're doing messing around with Chevy? I mean that you should have been a gmc.

[Willie Geist]

This is pre GMC days.

[Sean Hayes]

Did you not like professional grade?

[Willie Geist]

I do. I Love professional grade. I love everything in the GM fame.

[Kris Jenner]

So he did that. And then he also was a guy who had a company that put antennas on the roof.

[Willie Geist]

Okay.

[Kris Jenner]

But he actually did it like he had a few guys that work for him. So if you bought a tv, I remember we got our first color tv. And then he would have a company that, you know, advertised and came out.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Kris Jenner]

And put your antenna on your wall,

[Sean Hayes]

the rabbit ears up on the roof. Yeah, yeah, I gotcha. So my question behind the question is, where do you.

[Kris Jenner]

So I guess he was a business smart. He made money.

[Sean Hayes]

Did that start to. How early did the. Did the. Did the business interest in you get sparked? That entrepreneurial sort of creative kind? What could I get into next kind of thing?

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, that came from my grandmother and my mother. So my grandmother and my mother both had their own stores in La Jolla, California. And I grew up in San Diego and then La Jolla, and my mom still lives there to this day. She's almost 92. But she had her last store that she had was a children's store 45 years called Shannon and Company. Her last name is Shannon?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And my grandmother had a candle store called the Candles of La Jolla. So basically, when I was 12 years old, instead of going to the La Jolla shores to learn how to surf with all my friends, I was going to my grandmother's candle store and working. And the first job I had, I was the gift wrapper. So my grandmother, it was the best. And by the way, I'm the best gift wrapper.

[Willie Geist]

Are you really?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, ever. I like it.

[Willie Geist]

I watched those videos of the Japanese people.

[Jason Bateman]

I saw that too.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah. And I'm like, I'm trying to emul the worst at Christmas. I realized I'm the worst.

[Jason Bateman]

I love it.

[Sean Hayes]

Wait, so, Chris, do you have. Do you have, like, incredible techniques about, like, hiding edges and curling seams and, like.

[Kris Jenner]

And I do. Like, one day I learned how to use the ribbon maker, the bow maker machine. So I got really good at bows. And so I have these hidden talents. Like, they say we have no talent. Oh, I've got talent. Yeah, I've got some great gift wrapping talent.

[Sean Hayes]

You have a. Do you have a wrapping room at the house?

[Kris Jenner]

I do. I do the gift wrapper.

[Sean Hayes]

I have a friend that has a

[Kris Jenner]

wrapping with rolls of wrapping paper and drawers of tissue, and it's very exciting.

[Willie Geist]

Chris, can you look. Can you look at a gift or something you want to wrap and can you just eyeball it and go. I know exactly how much Paper I need for that.

[Kris Jenner]

I used to. A little bit better. Now I've. You know, if I really get confused over a gift, I just cellophane it and put a bow on it, call it a day, and it's so cute.

[Sean Hayes]

Cellophane will help you avoid those terrible paper cuts. Paper cuts you can get from wrapping gifts.

[Kris Jenner]

That's right. But I love those. I love those videos from Japan.

[Willie Geist]

I know.

[Jason Bateman]

They're so crisp and like. Yeah. Ocd. So wait, Chris, So after the. After you. So you learned some business while you were rapping, you're like, wait, how did that work? And how did that.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, your mom and your grandma were great business inspiration.

[Kris Jenner]

So I think, listen, when you're. When you're young and you see your. My mother at the time was a single mom, and my grandmother and my grandfather lived across the street, and my grandmother helped raise me. So when you see the two most important people in your life at the time, my grandmother and my mom, get up and get dressed to the nines and go to work every day and get there at 9 o' clock and have a routine and have a business and pay the bills. And they were so proud of their businesses and how they ran them. I work for both of them on and off. And I learned a lot in those days. I got. Finally graduated to being on the floor with customers. Then I graduated to the cash register, and I just learned a lot. Those were some of the best learning years of my life because I learned so much about. And then from there, I became a stewardess for American Airlines, and I was a flight attendant. And when I was a flight attendant, that gave me great social intelligence, social skills.

[Jason Bateman]

I didn't know you were a flight attendant.

[Kris Jenner]

Learning how to run a team and just like, some really interesting things that were very valuable at a very young age.

[Sean Hayes]

My mom did that for, like 30 years at Pan Am.

[Jason Bateman]

She did, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

It was the coolest thing for me as a kid, just flying around the world kind of, you know, in the back with my little suit on, you know. Cause I had to dress up for the free tickets.

[Jason Bateman]

You still fly Pan Am, don't you, Jay?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, they keep getting canceled these flights.

[Willie Geist]

So that he still fits in that suit.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

You guys, it sounds like. Yeah. You know, the thing is, at the heart of it is like this. You've had this consistent work ethic.

[Kris Jenner]

I've learned.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, that's super strong.

[Kris Jenner]

I'm really proud of what they taught me and what I was able to absorb. But then even more importantly, how I raised My kids and what they were able to learn from the whole experience and how they were raised and how they. It was always my kids joke, and they say to me, you know, mom, during the summer. Or they'll tell a story and they'll go, my mom, during the summer, when we were in, you know, supposed to be on vacation. My mom. You know, in the old days, like the 90s or the 80s, we used to have a landline. And on the landline, as we became more successful and had more opportunities, the stuff in the house got better. The TV's got bigger, the phones got more complicated, and we set this intercom system on the phone so you'd have a big land phone, landline phone sitting next to buttons, to all these counters and all the buttons. And there was a thing. And Chloe always tells the story. My mom used to. To intercom the whole house. It's 7am Time to get up. Make your beds. And so I raised my kids like that. Like, no, no, the world's out there.

[Sean Hayes]

Go get up.

[Kris Jenner]

Laying in bed, life is happening. Get up. We've got stuff to do.

[Jason Bateman]

I love that.

[Willie Geist]

Me too.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, that's really cool. Wait, so what happened after the candle thing and working in that store and what was kind of the next venture for you after that that made you want to propel further into being a businesswoman?

[Kris Jenner]

I work there. Then I worked at a boutique in La Jolla for a friend and then for my mom. And I loved having structure in my life. I loved having something to do and to get dressed for. And my mother and my grandmother always told me that it was so important to present myself to the world in a way that I wanted to be like, look your best. Be on your best behavior. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. You know, really good manners.

[Sean Hayes]

Right, Right. Yeah. I was gonna say, yeah, you gotta. For me, like, I've gotta believe it before I can expect anyone else to believe it. So you get up, get up, get out there and look like where you want to go.

[Kris Jenner]

That's exactly right. And surround. You know, couple things. So then I became. Then I went and I applied to be a flight attendant. Sean. To answer that question. And then from there, I got married to Robert Kardashian. So that's kind of. And then I started having kids. So that's the, you know, the Reader's Digest version, which was the real job, which is. Yeah. You know, the kids and the. Being a mom, that was at a very young age. But you Know, along the way, the one thing you guys can probably relate to or think about or your listeners can think about is my mother in law was the first one. Now it's a mantra in our house. But my mother in law, Nana, was always saying, robert to her son, Robert, show me who your friends are, and I'll show you who you are. And she used to just gripe at all of us about if she thought anybody around us was shady or dishonest or a little creepy or, you know, anything off she was. Because I met her and Robert at such a young age. You know, he was 12 years older than I was. But I just learned so much because then I had this whole Armenian family surrounding me that I'd never had a big, big family. I had one sister, so. And my mom was divorced for the longest time until she met my dad when. And then got married when I was 13. But a lot of my life, it was me, my mom, and my sister. So having this big Armenian family around me was very. It was so amazing. And some of the things I learned, I let it all soak in. I was like a sponge, you know, I was like, I love having all these people watching out for me because they met me so young and they were helping me grow up.

[Sean Hayes]

Up. Right.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Right. A big community. Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

That's so great.

[Sean Hayes]

Go ahead, Shawnee.

[Jason Bateman]

No, I was just gonna say. I was just gonna share. One of my first jobs was at a furniture store in downtown Glen Ellen, and I had to answer the phones. And all I did all day long was call my friend Sherry in Arizona. And then the bills would come, and their phone bill was like hundreds of dollars, which was huge back then. Like. Like, probably like a thousand dollars. And the guy who owned. Yeah, the. The guy come and be like, who are you calling in Arizona? I was like, that's my sister. Just trying to be in touch and. But it was my best friend, and I got in, so. And then I got fired because of that.

[Kris Jenner]

Oh, my God.

[Jason Bateman]

That's my story. That's my story. My first job.

[Kris Jenner]

I love that story.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Willie Geist]

Hang on. I'm just trying to look on the chart of where I'm going to put that.

[Kris Jenner]

You know what? One of my first jobs.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

The things that we will do. One of my first jobs. I was really wanting to do something. I mean, this is how, I guess, I don't know, motivated I must have been to make some money because my mom, it wasn't like she was, you know, passing out money to buy clothes, and we were getting to the age where we really loved clothes and we wanted to buy things and we were teenagers and all of it. And so I got a job up the street from my house that I could then get on the school bus and get to middle school or high school and it was at a donut shop. And my job was to take a glaze scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor. And they would give me a little money and some free donut holes every morning. And I was the best glaze scraper in, I think in San Diego. Pretty sure.

[Willie Geist]

Sean, how lost are you in this story?

[Sean Hayes]

He's trying to figure out if it's a bad job. He can't decide whether it's a bad job.

[Willie Geist]

This is a job.

[Kris Jenner]

You guys don't want to ruin my makeup. I can't.

[Jason Bateman]

I'll eat the glaze off the floor. I mean, very well.

[Willie Geist]

Uh huh.

[Kris Jenner]

We didn't need the spray donut holes.

[Jason Bateman]

Guys, this is my friend Sean.

[Sean Hayes]

Sean's volunteering for any sort of glaze scraping in any, any part of the room.

[Kris Jenner]

So if you ever need anybody who like, listen, these skills somehow, you know, worked for me later in life. I don't know. Go figure.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. And we will be right back.

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[Sean Hayes]

What would you say to these young people that are going off to business school and they're killing themselves trying to like top business schools and learn all the business stuff that one needs to like. Where would, what size would you put that sort of the traditional business structured, you know, in today's society and climate for business success. Wow, the nuts and the bolts of it.

[Kris Jenner]

Because I'm going to get in trouble here because I did not go to college.

[Jason Bateman]

That's okay.

[Kris Jenner]

And that wasn't important to me because I didn't, I wasn't the most amazing. Like I didn't love school because I was. Does that make sense? I love being, I love the socialization of it. I love, I think, you know, some of my kids have been trying to decide, do we want to just do homeschool? Do we love, you know, this kind of school as the kids get older and Kendall and Kylie, my two youngest, went to homeschool the last year of their high school years and then they graduated. But it wasn't this, you know, it's always been for us about. Or for me about socialization and making sure that obviously I have a good education and I know my ABCs, and, you know, I'm a smart cookie and I love to learn, and I soak it all in. But everyone learns differently. There's so many different things, and I think that's what's interesting. And so I think the options out there are so vast, however, it really. You have to follow your heart, but it's also. What do you want to go into. Some rule of thumb and thought of some parents and kids alike, and people in general, is that if you get that education under your belt, then that's your safety net like that, then you can go forward in your life. And now you're set with your. You know, you have your tool belt on, and you can go out there and do various things. And I'm not like. I love that, too. My son went to usc. Kim went to college for maybe a couple weeks, and Courtney graduated from college, and half of my kids did it, and half of my kids didn't. So it's a mixed bag for me. But I think it really depends on if you want to be a doctor or a physician of any kind, a surgeon, medical field attorney. That's necessary. But I think it's just going to be what you're. Follow your heart. What is it that gets you excited about life and what you want to

[Jason Bateman]

do with your career and start sooner than later?

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, I'm going through. Jb you went through it with your eldest, and I'm kind of going through it now with my teenage boys because they're at that point where they're looking at colleges and we're going to do a college tour at spring break. And I keep sort of saying to them, there's a. There's a pressure not just from the parents, but you can feel it from the peer group as everybody's talking about it. So it builds up this kind of frenzy about where to go and all this sort of stuff.

[Sean Hayes]

I said, look, having to decide what you're going to do as an adult.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah. And I go, you know what, man? Any one of these places, you're pretty much guaranteed of getting a really good education. You've got to decide what you want your experience to be, what you want your life experience to be.

[Kris Jenner]

So true, right?

[Willie Geist]

And don't I urge you not to get caught up in that. And I'm really. And I think it's kind of lending because I just. I see Them. I see these kids and they're getting so wrapped up in it.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, life will narrow you, like, real quick, soon. Anyway, keep going to college.

[Willie Geist]

I dropped out. I dropped out of college after one semester. Cause I was like.

[Kris Jenner]

You did?

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, for me, I went, you know what? This is not. I looked around at all my peers, my friends and kids I'd grown up with, and I said, this is not where I'm going. I want to go over here and I want to jump into life. And I moved to New York at age 20.

[Jason Bateman]

But what it did for me, I went for four years and never graduated, but still got a doctorate. But anyway.

[Sean Hayes]

Atta boy.

[Kris Jenner]

Wait, we want the recipe for that

[Willie Geist]

from the furniture store.

[Jason Bateman]

No, but what it did for me was what it does for a lot of kids is it gets you out of the house. That's it. And you get out of the house and you're with your peers in a totally different setting. And you find out who you are.

[Sean Hayes]

New horizons.

[Jason Bateman]

New horizons. And yes. Academics aside, socially, what it did for me was I was like, oh, I found my people and I found my.

[Willie Geist]

Sean. You know what's funny about that? Like, jb, you went. You were working as a young kid. You were already working as an actress. So you were already sort of socializing. You were already doing that. You were out of the house, in effect, with your peers. I had gone to boarding school at age 12, so I was already out. Like, I'd already gone. You know what I mean?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. That was like an early college, boarding school.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I should have studied something to fall back on.

[Kris Jenner]

See, I think that's important to note, though. I think that everyone. And I really believe that everybody needs structure and a purpose.

[Jason Bateman]

That's what it is.

[Kris Jenner]

And a community and socialization. All of that I love about school. And if you're not ready to jump off the diving board into the pool with no water in it, you know, so to speak. Cause you don't know what you're gonna do, then that's probably a great decision. Because then you'll figure it out.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Cause I went to college knowing I was going to study music. That's it. So I had a purpose. Yeah, but you're right. You're right, Chris, about what you said is like, if you don't. I love that if you're diving into a pool with no water, you probably. There's no reason.

[Willie Geist]

No. And Sean, the music that you studied, it did help you. What has been a big part of what you do? Well, yeah. No, but continuing on and, like, you wouldn't have done. Goodnight, Oscar. All of it, the Tabasco. This is a progress. But had you not done that, you wouldn't have had the skill to do that, right?

[Jason Bateman]

Totally. One thing leads to another. But I'm lucky. Like, we're all lucky, the four of us talking right now. And there's many people that we know that are lucky, that if, you know, if you have a passion inside of you early on as a kid and you know what you love to do, the earlier you know what to. The earlier you know what you love to do, the more success you're likely to have later.

[Kris Jenner]

A thousand percent. And it's like Jason said, he had a direction. Like, he knew that's what he wanted to do. So why I'm over here with, you know, all my energy needs to go to my dream. And in order to accomplish my dreams, it needs incredible focus and dedication to this. It doesn't mean you're, you know, sitting at home playing video games doing nothing.

[Willie Geist]

No. And you need to pay the rent, too, right, jb? I mean, for real.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

You gotta keep the lights on.

[Jason Bateman]

So wait, so, Chris, so then talk to me about Keeping up with the Kardashians. Like, how did it start? What did it do for you? Were you apprehensive about doing it? Because you're like, oh, my God, there's cameras. Like, what? And what was your perception of beginning the show? And when did it start to change?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. And did this start. Is the story right where Ryan Seacrest started talking to you about this? Perhaps. And on the heels of the Osbournes getting a lot of traction and is the timing right? Do I have that right? No.

[Kris Jenner]

Right. So I think a lot of people talk to me and a couple of my older kids from time to time, but always, I mean, for years had said to me, your family, you've got to do a reality show. Nobody would believe what goes on in this.

[Sean Hayes]

It's this Life Today's Brady Bunch.

[Kris Jenner]

And it was just. You couldn't make any of it up. And so I eventually decided to create this show in my mind, and it kind of lived up there for a while. And then I remember we had been approached by a company years ago, and they thought it was a good idea. And my best friend was living in New York, and she was doing a talk show, Kathie Lee Gifford and Kathy would go, you guys, she was Kendall and Kylie's godmother, and she would. When they were born, and she would always go, oh, my God, you Guys are wild. This. And she'd come visit and think people have got to see what's going on. And I just thought it was normal, you know, I thought, I'm living the life. And one night, this girl, Dina Katz, came over to my house, and she's the casting director for many shows, amongst them Dancing with the Stars and things like that. And she's close friends with Ryan Seacrest. So she came over, and she couldn't believe what was happening in my house on, like, a Tuesday.

[Sean Hayes]

Wait, what's going on?

[Kris Jenner]

For spaghetti.

[Sean Hayes]

What was going on?

[Kris Jenner]

I mean, just the people that would call or stop by. Just a lot of, you know, celebrity interaction and drama and just wild. It was just extraordinary. And she would listen to my life and think it was, you know, wild. And so she said, I'm gonna present this to Ryan Seacrest. So the next day, I spoke to Ryan's team and went in for a meeting a couple days later. They had just signed a production deal with E. NBC Comcast, and they then, you know, Ryan presented it to the network. They picked it up, and 30 days later, we were shooting Keeping up with the Kardashians.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow, that's amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

So it happened really fast.

[Sean Hayes]

What was the conversation like with the kids? Like, did it take? Did you have to twist any arms? Or were they excited about the idea? Or.

[Kris Jenner]

Listen at that point? And, I mean, to this day, I'm still at the. I'm still their manager, but at the time, I was nobody's manager. I was. Courtney and I were working in our clothing store called Smooch, and the girls had a store called DASH nearby in Calabasas. And it was. I just said, family, I have this opportunity, and this is what I want us to do. And everybody said, okay, you know, I'm not gonna. Courtney kind of looked at me sideways like, mom. And I'm like, courtney, we can sell more T shirts. Imagine this show's in. You know, it's a global network. It'll air in 200 countries. Why not? You know, I saw an opportunity, and it was just something that I wanted to do because it was also gonna help me keep the lights on, if I'm being honest. It was like, income. And Kendall and Kylie were 9 and 10.

[Willie Geist]

Wow.

[Kris Jenner]

Kylie was 9 years old.

[Jason Bateman]

That's amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

Kendall was 10. And I told them what was happening, and I said, guys, you don't have to be on the show, but if you want to come and be a part of it, you can film on the weekends or holidays or after school or, you know, Whenever it's appropriate. And that's kind of how it got started. And that was. We started filming, I think, 2000, maybe six. It aired in 2007. And right now we work for Disney. We're filming the Kardashians. And this is season 28.

[Jason Bateman]

That's unbelievable.

[Sean Hayes]

So what was the ask? Like, how did you present this to them? Like, was it. Well, the cameras are only gonna be here for like an hour a day, or they're gonna be constantly set up, or they're gonna be fixed cameras. And there won't be any camera operators, so you won't really know, like, how is it? How did it start then versus how is it now? And what were the expectations as far as their role would be?

[Jason Bateman]

Right.

[Kris Jenner]

Well, they. We all fell into it like a fish in water. It was quite extraordinary. And you can't do something. Listen, I can create something and I can produce something, but I can't. You can't control other people, even though they're your kids. I mean, I have a great deal of love and respect for my children, and I'm never gonna make them do something that they don't want to do. But. But it was. I was in heaven because everybody, a crew shows up. We started with one crew, so it was like maybe three cameras, two cameras. And Sam, do they come at like

[Willie Geist]

7am or are they.

[Kris Jenner]

We started very, very early in glam at seven. But the first season, we literally were filming seven or eight days a week and about 18 hours a day.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kris Jenner]

I'm not exaggerating.

[Jason Bateman]

I thought.

[Kris Jenner]

I don't know. I used to say to myself, I'd look in the mirror in the morning and go, I don't know if this is sustainable. How am I gonna get through the day? And then we would just keep filming, filming, filming. And in those days, editing, we. I. I'm probably. I don't know if this is accurate, but I'm probably one of the only women in reality television world that has editing rights to our show, am able to take anything out.

[Sean Hayes]

And that was from the very start.

[Kris Jenner]

From day one. I said, I'm not doing this unless I. So the key to our story, and

[Sean Hayes]

you could tell the kids, don't worry about it. You just let it all fly because

[Kris Jenner]

it's the day, right? And you know what's interesting about that is over the years, from day one, when we knew we had that freedom and that kind of power, so to speak, it made us more comfortable. It made us be the way we always are. And how we're bonded together as a family because we're very close to each other and we were able to say things that were, you know, very intimate or, you know, only our family knew or whatever it was. But things started to, you know, develop in a way that we. I was thinking to myself, you know, oh my goodness, this is really crazy. And knowing that we could take it out and, you know, we never did. We would have a meeting and we would say, you know, the FBI showed up today, you know, or Kylie ended up in season, episode one. Season one is a nine year old child on a stripper pole. And I had the, you know, and I'm looking at the footage going, how did this happen? How did this happen? I left Kim and Robin Anton in a room for five minutes and Kylie's on a stripper pole, you know, so it was really insane. Anyway, it turns out that the things that I would remove or take out ended up to be, oh my God, the back of my hair looks crazy. Take that out. Or I look so fat. Or can somebody fix my lipstick? Like what? So that's the kind I was so vain in. Like, I had never really been on. I had been on TV and I had done QVC and I had done things with Bruce Jenner and, you know, all this stuff, but I'd never been on a television show at home that was unscripted like that. And it was a very vulnerable thing.

[Willie Geist]

I wanted to ask so about that. So that starts to happen. So, right. So the vulnerability I can only imagine because we know what it's like a little bit. We talked about it earlier about stuff happens and then people out in the world have a right to comment on it, especially now in real time and stuff. Just right, right to go through that experience, especially early on when it was like early social media days when you guys started, it was really early. I mean, and to have people commenting on your life, on your parenting, as you say, distributor pool, have opinions on the thing and your kids growing up and people have opinions in real time. There's nobody bigger than you guys. At a certain point, you guys rocket to fame and everybody in the world has an opinion on you and your family and your kids and blah, blah, blah. How did you kind of meet that and ride with that over the years, as you say, you just finished season 28. You've obviously found a place or a way to accommodate that. But what was that like? What was that learning curve like to deal with that?

[Kris Jenner]

You know what? I think it was one day at a time. It was Leaning on each other. It was learning from one another. It was understanding that it takes an entire village to do what we do. And then it was all these realizations over the years that that occurred to us. And first of all, we had to have really thick skin. And I said to my kids very early on, because they were a lot younger. I mean, when I started the show, I had no grandchildren. Now I have 13. I mean, life changes so fast.

[Jason Bateman]

That's amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

I said to my children, because they were young enough for me to tell them what to do still. And I do tell them what to do every single day, but sometimes they don't listen, so. So I told them, nobody's going on the Internet. Nobody's engaging in the bullshit. And that was after the first episode. And I had even close friends that I trusted that would have one eyebrow up going, really? The stripper pole. Not knowing that Oprah just had the stripper pole on episode of her show because it was the new exercise craziness that everybody was doing this. And Robin Anton had come over to show Kim how to use it, because Kim had bought me one for Mother's Day and to do my exercise, you know, And Kylie ends up on it. But, you know, it was just. They wanted to edit it a certain way, and it wasn't really edited. It was just like, people took it a certain way.

[Sean Hayes]

Sure, right.

[Kris Jenner]

And I just said, let it fly. We know what happened. Like, who cares?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. I was gonna say, I would imagine that a lot of this stuff, the element of. Of the world now having access inside the serenity of somebody's home, I can imagine, would only make you guys closer in that you guys are the only ones that know the real story. Who we really are, what we really feel, juxtaposed to this outside opinion multiplied by millions. I guess you were kind of forced to quickly say, well, that's there kind of idea, their opinion, their narrative versus what the real thing is almost makes you guys even more solid and intimate and a unit.

[Kris Jenner]

Yes, I think so. I think we felt really close. We felt like we could always help each other out. I remember when we first started the show, for example, there was no Instagram. There was no Snapchat. There was barely Twitter. And Ryan Seacrest called me up one day, and he goes, you know, you might want about this little thing called Twitter. I'm not really sure what it is. And I'm like, twitter? What is Twitter? And so, you know, Kim, you got to get on Twitter. And, you know, we just helped each other learn and grow and it takes a village to do what we're doing. And then on top of all of it, the years went by and we realized how many thousands of people we employ, who the network employs, the people that benefit and have. We've had people that work for us for years write to, like, write notes to us and say, you know, and hand them to us and say, thank you for changing my life. Thank you for giving me purpose. Thank you for giving me a job. Thank you for, you know, so you start with the smallest things. The assistants, the glam teams, the people who are getting us from one point to another. The. All the fashion side of it. The, you know, it's just tens, you know, of thousands and thousands of people. And then as time went on and, you know, we started making money and we were able to give back to things that meant a lot to us and help people that were less fortunate. And, you know, that felt good. And, you know, so it's been an evolution of our whole process.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. And even specifically what the social media has done, it wasn't around when you started. Now, of course it's around. But the way in which you guys are such a presence there as well, and talk to us a bit about how that, I think, help me, educate me. It is one of the major engines to some of the stuff that you guys do. Sort of your brand positioning and leveraging one and being spokesmans for other things. It all sort of exists almost entirely on some of it, on this platform versus, you know, linear TV and whatnot.

[Kris Jenner]

It's how the business has evolved for many businesses around the world. You know, having this example that started actually when Kim got on Twitter, that first. That example I gave you when she first learned about it. And I remember she was the first one who really. She really educated us about meaning, my family and I, about how she could communicate with the audience and be a part of the Twitter universe by engaging in these conversations. And she genuinely loved it, like, she would. I remember the first time, and I think she was the first one to do this. She sent a tweet to her fans and to all the viewers of our show and just out there in the world, and she said, I'm gonna launch this fragrance. And here are the two, you know, packaging options, the bottles. Do you guys like this choice or this choice? You know, the pink or the black or whatever it was. And the response was overwhelming. And I knew that she was so smart and so. Not that it was. She wasn't in any way being manipulative. She was being Genuinely wanting her own focus group, she was able to put together this group of people that no one would have had access to in the entire world except for her. And as her numbers grew, her audience grew, our audience grew. And then one by one as different social media platforms emerged and were developed and as all of my, you know, me and my children all became very active on all these social media platforms and the numbers grew and it just snowballed. And I think like if you added up all the numbers and you added up all the kids and all the platforms, there's a couple, you know, in our global network with Disney and where our Show's in over 200 countries and on and on every single day. And Disney just bought the rights to Keeping up with the Kardashians. They just bought all the archive. So, you know, there's billions of people daily who are not only that, you

[Willie Geist]

said that, you know, thousands of people you employed, if you think about it, you launched an entire industry in that you guys were the first people to understand the power of, as you, as you pointed out that example with Kim, of using social media and creating that and Jason says sort of establishing the brand and putting that out there. All these people in the world who now make a living doing that, they all have really, in effect, you guys,

[Sean Hayes]

to think, well, it's also now it's the major engine for many of the mainstream traditional legacy companies.

[Willie Geist]

Corporations all took it from you guys.

[Sean Hayes]

Everybody, yeah, airlines to media companies to, to oil companies. Like everybody wants to figure out how to harness the power of that direct one to one connection to your customer. And it's about reach, it's about connecting with the people that are actually engaged with your product. You guys have this enormous power and influence in that space, I would imagine, and you don't have to answer this, but I would imagine that you, you're constantly being courted, solicited by any number of companies to help them understand how they can reach more of their customers, stay engaged with them, amplify what it is that they.

[Willie Geist]

Chris, wait till you see Jason's hair. Hair thing that he just hit for Jen, for Anderson. It's amazing.

[Sean Hayes]

We're tr. You know, listen, everyone's trying, you know.

[Kris Jenner]

That's right, babe.

[Sean Hayes]

We'll be right back.

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[Sean Hayes]

I would bet you could probably spend all your time just trying to educate people on how to best

[Kris Jenner]

integrate, utilize their. Yeah, their social media. Well, it's like when Kylie launched her lip kit all those 10 years ago. It was insane because I went to her about, I don't know, a month before the launch, knowing that she was gonna create this thing. She goes, mom, I know what I wanna do for the rest of my life, and it's beauty. And I want to do this lip kit. And now you've got to take this and run with it and figure out how to make it. And so I contacted some people I knew that could do this. They made it. And I said, so what are we doing about the marketing? Like, we need an ad in People magazine and we need to have a billboard. And she goes, are we okay, Mom? Like, I know what I'm doing. Just relax. And I said, I can't relax. You just. Just spent every dime you've ever made on Keeping up with the Kardashians, to start your own brand by yourself, with your own money. And I'm a little nervous. Mom's a little, you know, you're 17 years old, so what are you doing? And she said, I know what I'm doing. And so I'll never forget the morning she launched her brand, which was the first time she disrupted an entire beauty business because she pressed send on the link to go buy this and put a post out. Go buy my lip kit. And I think it was. Was four seconds. And we thought the site crashed because we had to launch, you know, and it was just sold out in. In seconds.

[Jason Bateman]

Wow.

[Kris Jenner]

And then we knew, you know, and she developed. That was her, you know, and then. Then, then it was on. She was the first one to do that.

[Willie Geist]

We need to have a meeting with you offline. We need to have an hour meeting with you.

[Jason Bateman]

I'll do it.

[Kris Jenner]

Come on over. I'm in Chloe's podcast room. She'll never know.

[Willie Geist]

So much to.

[Sean Hayes]

So when you say one of the first, do you mean about how sort of the brick and mortar.

[Kris Jenner]

How to sell. Yeah, I think how to sell a beauty brand online. Like that had never been done or any brand. Well. And also I think Kim was probably the first to ever sell a fragrance. Think about this. Millions of fragrances online without ever smelling it.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Wow. Is that not crazy? Yeah. I'll take that fragrance. And you've never. You're trusting that you want to smell like Kim. Meanwhile, it's still the first fragrance, is still the fragrance that I wear, really, every day. And every day somebody goes, oh, what is that? You smell so good. So I'm so proud of.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, that's great.

[Kris Jenner]

That moment for her.

[Sean Hayes]

How was the smelling sessions for that as you guys were developing, sniffing a bunch of stuff and narrowing down what the scent would be?

[Kris Jenner]

Kim and I. Yeah, Kim and I went to a fragrance company in New York a few times. And by the way, this whole journey, everything I'm telling you, all the stories I could go on for days, is all on film for keeping up with the Kardashians. And now the Kardashians. And that. I'm sorry. Grateful for, because I have the best home movies in the world and I have all these beautiful. I mean, I remember we were filming. We filmed the Birth of Mason.

[Sean Hayes]

Good God.

[Kris Jenner]

And I'm like, we filmed that. Like, I sit and go. We filmed that. But we did.

[Jason Bateman]

I always think that's wild because my sister just sent me an audio clip that she found when she was 12 years old. And it's really scratchy, and you can barely hear. You can tell it's her. Which is so different than how kids grow up now. They have everything. They have home movies every day. You know, because of social media, where

[Sean Hayes]

we're four of us. It looks like yesterday.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. It looks like yesterday. So it's a weird thing about how memories now are stored in our brains. The kids now store it differently than the four of us do because we didn't have that. You know, it's not archived as kids. We didn't have any archives.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Kris Jenner]

D. Can I ask you guys a question?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Off topic. Okay, good. So do any of you ever go back and really look at the photos?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I do.

[Kris Jenner]

You have a million of in your phone. You do?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, mostly of my kids.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, no, not in my phone.

[Willie Geist]

No, not in the phone.

[Jason Bateman]

When I was a kid. Like the. The actual hard copy photo that was taken.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know what I do every year at the end of the year before January 1st, I edit all my photos in my phone. So I. You know how you take 75 photos of one thing? Edit, edit, edit. Get it to where those photos on your phone are what you love, right? And there's probably 3,000 or whatever there is.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, God, that's a big job.

[Kris Jenner]

I have them taken to a very trusted printer that I've been using for since the early 90s, literally. And they print them out and I put them in an archival photo box and they're in my archive and I have a hard copy of every single photo that I've ever taken because I'm probably the only one in my family who will do that so that, you know, many, many moons from now, they can look back and go, I remember this. Like going through the photos is such a thing for me and how I have memories of my family, my grandmother and, you know, so.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, yeah, smart choice.

[Kris Jenner]

I think everybody should go copy their friends once a year.

[Jason Bateman]

That's a great idea.

[Kris Jenner]

And archive it in a box. I think I get them at like the Container Store or something. But there's archival boxes. You can get them on Amazon and they protect the photo, but for everyone who has kids, you know, it's so special.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, it is.

[Kris Jenner]

That's my tip for the day.

[Jason Bateman]

You should have a party and just go through each page one by one, right? And just do like a four day party of just like each page or

[Kris Jenner]

turn on Keeping up with the Kardashians.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Chris, with all of your. Your incredible business success, I bet, I bet you're most proud of what seems to be an incredible ability to, to. To be both a. A manager and a mother to not one, but six of your children and, and, and wear both of those hats in a way. Because my. My parents were my manager as well when I was growing up. And it was a tricky, challenging thing for both them and me to manage together. Yeah. And try to keep both of those sides of our lives pristine and honored, where one is sort of like a peer relationship and the other one is that sort of traditional deferential relationship where the kid looks up to the parent and completely listens to and defers to and follows behind kind of thing. So the. They're not at odds with one another, but there's a few areas of overlap, but they are different. And so your ability to do that, it seems, has been incredibly successful because all your kids, from what I can see, just seem incredibly well grounded and kind. So can you talk a little bit about that?

[Kris Jenner]

I think, first of all, my most important role as. So I recognize that, and that's the most important thing in my life. And I feel like God has put me here at this point in my life to make sure they're okay. And I think every parent's dream is for your child to identify what they want to do in their life and go out there and find how their dream can come true. Help them get there, set them off and set them up and. And good to go. Like, that's my. I mean, when I think about my kids and I go down the line and go, okay, today, this one's okay. I gotta do, you know. But in general, to have your kids at a really good, happy place, whether they wanna be a housewife and a mom, whether they wanna be an athlete, whether they. Whatever their dream is, if they're happy. And the most important thing for me is I always say God first, family second. Everything else is. Is third. And I've always raised my children like that. And I've always raised my kids to be. All that matters to me is that they have good hearts, they have integrity, character, great character, great integrity. They would help people in need that need them. And they're kind, be on time, be kind, be gentle with people. You never know what kind of a day they've been having, but stick up for yourself and be strong when you need to be strong. And all the things, you know, all the things. And it means the most to me when I hear other people's experiences with my kids. And daily, if I show up to something and someone's been there before me, like, let's say I was on this podcast and maybe one of my kids had done it, or I. Somebody came up to me Saturday night at a dinner and said, I have the store over here where we were, and your children come in there from time to time. And I've never met more kind, you know, gentle people in my life. They're the nicest people I've ever met. Every time I hear that, my heart just swells. I'm so happy because that's all that matters.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah. You know what, Chris? It's funny you say that. So I was gonna say. And you guys will relate to that. This is. There's no greater feeling than when somebody says to you, hey, I just ran into your kids. Your kids are great. Your kids are so nice. It feels so good. You never get tired of hearing that when somebody compliments your kid on their character, ever. And I will say this. I don't know your kids, but I have heard, and this is anecdotal, but I have heard time and time again over the years what nice people your kids are. I'm not making this up. I have heard that so many times.

[Kris Jenner]

That makes me so happy.

[Sean Hayes]

And I.

[Willie Geist]

Absolutely true.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I've.

[Jason Bateman]

I've had a couple bad, bad encounters. I'm just going to be honest.

[Willie Geist]

That's different. Sh. That's different, Sean, though, I mean, you're so confrontational.

[Kris Jenner]

We can't hear you anymore. Sorry, Bab. Yep. I think your mic went out.

[Jason Bateman]

No. Lovely. I, too, have met them, and they're just so genuine.

[Kris Jenner]

I love you.

[Jason Bateman]

I love them. I love you. I'm. I had that great time.

[Kris Jenner]

I know.

[Jason Bateman]

Sorry. How much fun. I'm going to text you right after this, okay?

[Kris Jenner]

Wait, text. Text me? Do I still. You guys.

[Jason Bateman]

I have your number.

[Kris Jenner]

I still have.

[Sean Hayes]

I would imagine. I would imagine that. I mean, your days, my God, I can't imagine how full your days are with all the. All the business stuff, all the parenting stuff. You'd have to delegate a great deal. And I'm sure you've got incredible people around you, but what is. What is the thing that you simply cannot delegate, will not delegate?

[Kris Jenner]

Well, let's put it this way. At the end of the day, especially lately, the year started off like, whoa. Like if you were on a treadmill at, like, level 62.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

I get, at the end of the day, decision fatigue. If you can imagine, like, I start off so early, like, at 5am I let people have access to me at that hour, meaning I alert people, hey, we're rolling. You know, I'll call an attorney, I'll text an attorney, a business manager, somebody in Europe, somebody in New York. Like, okay, we're, you know, I'm ready to go. And it never ends. So I think that, you know, just Being able to juggle. I feel like sometimes some days are like that guy in the circus where he's got the plates in the air and you just keep taking the sticks and spinning them all, you know, just making sure they're all spinning. Some days, if they're like that, that's a chill day, but if it's really buckling down, putting out fires. I mean, most days I'm a fireman, so. Putting out fires, making sure everybody's okay. And then like this morning I got a very, like a 6am call from Kylie, and she just wanted to, you know, go through something personal that she was, like, wanting an opinion on. So stop the momager hat. Roll into. Okay. And I just got my coffee again and sat down and listened to the whole thing, gave my opinion, we were good to go. She goes, okay, it's gonna be okay, Mommy. It's gonna be great. Okay, we're good. And so everybody needs that emotional check in every day. And we all just like, I get a million times a day from Chloe. I love you, Mom. Mom, you're the best. And my kids are so. Kim and I for the last two days, texting, you know, all day from London and then Paris, because she's at the skims opening in those two cities.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

And then, you know, so there's always business to talk about and then an influx of photos from the event that they're at. Or. Or, you know, all of it. You know, all of it. And it's been great. It's a great journey.

[Sean Hayes]

What kind of crisis would it be if you woke up one day and you forgot to plug your phone in overnight?

[Kris Jenner]

Well, that would be bad, right?

[Sean Hayes]

You didn't.

[Kris Jenner]

That would be bad.

[Sean Hayes]

But I would imagine even waking up with a full charge, you're charging that phone around four o' clock every day anyway.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, right.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, my God.

[Kris Jenner]

For sure. For sure. Especially if you have like a little zoom in between.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Like, that's a little bit of a drainer, but.

[Sean Hayes]

But it's.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. No, you just, you know, you have to be prepared and ready for everything, I guess. I think I'm. I'm great at multitasking and I'm great at. I think I have, you know, emotionally, I'm pretty strong. I cry on a dime. I'll cry at a commercial.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, me too.

[Kris Jenner]

Or, you know, or if I think about something really sad, you know, I get all welly. So I try to stay out of the. That danger zone. I try to. Like, we don't need any tears today. But I'm a very. I think I'm a very emotional person, but I think I have good, you know, emotional intelligence.

[Sean Hayes]

You don't have to say who, but I would ask, is there somebody in your life, or probably a few maybe, that you can. That you can dump all this stuff on? And you don't have to be the

[Jason Bateman]

person who calls everything out constantly.

[Kris Jenner]

I'm sorry, Shawn. Sean. Sean carries a weight around my family.

[Jason Bateman]

But you know what? I love it.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah, you do. You're good at it, too. You're very strong.

[Jason Bateman]

Strong.

[Sean Hayes]

What do you. What? What. What. What. What do people think you control that you absolutely do not.

[Kris Jenner]

A skims discount.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

People wanting to get a little break because they know you.

[Kris Jenner]

A skim's discount.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, but wait, if. Yeah, but Jason's previous question was good. Of course, you don't have to say names, but who is that? Who's that person that you get to lean on at the end of the day? Is it your kids? Is it.

[Kris Jenner]

You know what? I'll tell you something. It depends on the subject and what's going on. I do have a selection. One of my best friends, Shelly Azoff, is. We'll talk about the craziest stuff, and we just get each other, and then I don't have to talk to her for two weeks. She's not that person who's needy and, you know, needs me to, you know, emotionally check in with her all the time. And then my cousin Cece, but, you know, and then Corey, my partner, of course, like my boyfriend. He's amazing. He's probably thinking, this is why, like, sometimes I want to just go in his brain and, you know, wonder. He's probably thinking, what did I get into? But he loves us all so much and is so. So. Obviously the person that you live with is the person that probably hears and gets the brunt of it through and through. But you know who's so amazing and supportive are my kids, and each one for a different reason. Like, if there's real drama with somebody, I'll tell you the times I don't know how Chloe carries it. Chloe, you guys have to. You haven't had Chloe on.

[Sean Hayes]

No, no, no.

[Kris Jenner]

Chloe is such a great guest, but Chloe. Chloe is an. Is a. Is a saint. She's an angel. She not only is, like, the Pied Piper with all the kids, and she's the one who, every single weekend has the sleepover and is making Taco Tuesdays for all the kids and having Bible study on Thursday nights for the kids at her house. And I mean, she's like. All the cousins are. You know, she's the Pied Piper. She's the cutest thing ever, but she's also got such amazing, intense emotional support to offer if you're going through something. And she's so intelligent about stuff. It's really great. And so is Kim and all of them. I mean, I was talking to Kylie, like I said this morning, about something else, but they're all so. You know, Kendall's like my therapist, and if I want to talk about anything in the environment, you know, Courtney's my go to, and she'll come over and throw all my pots and pans away. So, you know, they're all. We're all so connected.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. But so when the house thinned out, because I'm dealing with this now. One just went off to college, and my youngest, I've got another few years, but I'm already just, like, dreading being an empty nester. I'm just gonna miss them so much as. As your house started to thin out. And now it's just you and Corey. Right.

[Kris Jenner]

Right. Well, okay, so the part that maybe you're missing.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Is I live in a gated community, and we all live down the street from each other.

[Sean Hayes]

Right. Okay. So they. So it's never. So it's.

[Kris Jenner]

Chloe lives next door. She lives 50ft away, so it doesn't get any closer than that without being in the same bed.

[Jason Bateman]

Bedroom. Right. That's great.

[Kris Jenner]

And then I'll come home and, you know, I mean, Kendall's the only one who lives a little bit further, but everyone. We all live in the same area. We're all at each other's houses. And, you know, I'll call Kim's house at least three times a week. Do you guys have any food over there? I'm starving.

[Sean Hayes]

I don't buy it.

[Kris Jenner]

And then somebody runs over to get it. It's like. It's very convenient.

[Sean Hayes]

Imagine that the holidays are just like this. Just like an idea. Just all those, would you say, 13 grandkids running around.

[Kris Jenner]

It's our Super Bowl. It's delicious. And one of the kids has Christmas Eve. We usually do a big Christmas Eve party. And then I do Christmas morning. That's my tradition. And we have so many amazing traditions in our family. And we celebrate, you know, Groundhog's Day. We celebrate everything, really. We can't wait to do a party. We can't wait to celebrate somebody's special occasion or event or, you know, the kids graduating from kindergarten or, you Know, it makes life really special.

[Sean Hayes]

You keeping up on all that stuff will be a full time job for me. As it is right there.

[Jason Bateman]

She's keeping up with the Kardashians.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, there.

[Kris Jenner]

You know, when you, when you say you're.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

When you say your kids are like an empty nest thing and your kids are getting older and it happens so fast and I think that it's just really important to remember that they're not far away and just create these memories and moments as much as you can to stay connected. Because people ask me a lot. How do you raise a family? You guys are all so close. Genuinely close. Close. And, you know, I often say you just. It's not something that you can really teach. It's something that you just have to feel and do.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. I got to tell you, we've done. How many of these have we done, you guys? A couple hundred.

[Willie Geist]

We've done like, like 300.

[Sean Hayes]

This is the first time, not no joke, that I've looked at the clock and been shocked that we are at an hour 15. I know this felt. I thought, I thought we were like an hour. I thought we were like 40 minutes. I'm. First of all, I'm sorry that we're 15 minutes over.

[Kris Jenner]

It's fine. Chloe's. I'm gonna have a meeting with her and we're filming our show and she's probably gonna walk into her studio and go, what the hell are you doing?

[Sean Hayes]

Before, before we let you go. Excuse me, I wanna, I wanna talk about all's fair just for one quick sec or a long sec if you want the show on Hulu, executive producing on like. So now this is scripted?

[Kris Jenner]

Yes, yes. Ryan Murphy's producing, writing, directing, and this.

[Sean Hayes]

Do you prefer the scripted stuff? You want to mix it all in? Do you want to go, you know how much tell us about the ratio between scripted and unscripted going forward for you guys.

[Kris Jenner]

So doing an unscripted show is truly unscripted for us. We have no scripts. I don't even know half the time. I'm being perfectly honest, what we're gonna film that day, I'll know on my schedule. You know, amongst all the other things I'm doing that day, it'll be glam. Kardashians is filming, you know, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes I don't know what's happening. I think, you know, I knew my crew was gonna be here today because I do know that we're gonna film something late and I'm working with Chloe and I think Kylie's probably here, but I'm really not sure some days, like what we're. But it always works out and it's always magic. So that's that side of it. I don't think, honestly, I could do more than one of those types of shows because it's not something that I want to manufacture what's going on, and at that point, what else is there to talk, you know, so it would have to be scratched. So when Ryan. Ryan Murphy came over for dinner one night and I said to Kim, come by. Because as I said, we all live down the street from each other. I said, come over. Ryan Murphy's gonna come over. Like, I'm so obsessed with him and we love what he does and all of that. So he came over and I remember we had a conversation and I said, why don't. He said, why you don't? To Kim, maybe we could work together. And I said, ryan, maybe write a show for her. Why don't you write something and we'll do something really exciting in the meantime. He put her in American Horror Story, which she did a great job. And she's not a trained actress. She did phenomenal and she was happy with it. She loved the process, which I thought was a little concerning to me because there's a lot of waiting around. There's a lot of structure. There's a lot of. It's much, much different than, oh, bring the camera over. I'll shoot it on my iPhone. You know, I'm doing a reality show. It's much. Obviously, you guys know that better than you're three actors. You know, we're not actors by trade. And so when she did it, she loved the process. And then I suddenly got a call from Ryan and he said, I have something for you. And I said, hold up, come over, let me get my crew. So he came over to the house, we had a martini. He presented this idea for Kim for All's Fair. And we loved the idea. Kim signed on. They talked about who would be her co stars. And let me tell you something, these women were so generous and kind and amazing to her and really wrapped their arms around her. And Ryan Murphy surrounded her with the most incredible group of women. And we had the time of our lives. She suddenly had a renewed spirit. She was making friends with people she would never, you know, have these relationships with. And I saw her beaming, you know, and really enjoying what she was doing. And now got picked up for season two.

[Sean Hayes]

Amazing.

[Kris Jenner]

And it's. It's been, you know, Sarah Paulson and Glenn Close and Teyana Taylor and Naomi Watts and Niecy Nash and Kim and this beautiful cast, all star cast and the fashion that they all loved, and they just all loved hanging out with Kim. She loved hanging out with them. And I saw this genuine friendship evolve and develop over time, and it's been really, really amazing for me to get to witness that for my daughter. I'm so excited, Proud of her.

[Jason Bateman]

That's great.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

Really, really great.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah. And they're going into season two, and that's a big deal, and they start next month, so I'm really excited. And now Kim is filming her first. Well, not her first movie, but a big movie that's a comedy, and it's going to be really, really good. It's called Fifth Wheel.

[Sean Hayes]

Very nice. I'm glad things are finally working out for you guys. And, you know, you're starting to get a little wind at your back.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

You know, we're just trying, man. I'm, you know, every day it's a grind.

[Sean Hayes]

It's. Chris, it's just. It really is incredible. I. I'm. I'm so, so thankful that you. You came on and you spent more than an hour with us telling us how you've done it all and how you continue to do it all, and we're rooting for you, and we'll be watching the next years going forward with. With this incredible story.

[Kris Jenner]

I appreciate you guys so much, and thank you for being so lovely and supportive. And I'm just grateful to be a part of this, you know, life and the entertainment community and to be able to add a little something. And I just. I come from a place of incredible gratitude. So for everybody that watches our show or has given us any kind of support or kindness or just, you know, just, you know, being watching from afar, it means the world. And, you know, I think that, you know, it's just. It's great to be and come from a place of gratitude and just be kind to each other.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. The audience is certainly great for what

[Jason Bateman]

you've done, but we love you. We love you.

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Kris Jenner]

Love you guys. Thank you.

[Sean Hayes]

Thank you so much for coming today, Truly and Jason.

[Kris Jenner]

I can't wait for our next vacation with Amanda. Duh.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, us too. Us too. We'll figure it out.

[Jason Bateman]

All right.

[Kris Jenner]

All right.

[Sean Hayes]

All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Chris.

[Jason Bateman]

Bye, honey.

[Kris Jenner]

See you.

[Sean Hayes]

Bye. Bye.

[Kris Jenner]

Bye.

[Sean Hayes]

Wow.

[Kris Jenner]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

That power. I didn't. I did not realize the time I could have. I could have listened to her explain it all. I know for even longer, I.

[Jason Bateman]

She's so well spoken and succinct and

[Willie Geist]

too.

[Sean Hayes]

Right?

[Willie Geist]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Dang it.

[Jason Bateman]

And you know when I feel like lazy or something, like, look at her, man.

[Willie Geist]

I know.

[Jason Bateman]

Like what

[Sean Hayes]

exactly. She's starting at 5 in the morning and probably goes till 10 at night on something that you just can't phone in.

[Jason Bateman]

Right?

[Sean Hayes]

I mean, she's got. The switch has got to be flicked on and she is just running shit. I mean, if I have like two things in my day that I've got to like focus on, I'm like, oh, damn it. Like when, when put my PJs back on. If it's after 4 o', clock, it's just, oh no, these are.

[Jason Bateman]

But yeah, like the. I love the entrepreneurial ship and the philanthropy and she's just a cool hang.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I like her. Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

And, and you know, she's, she's so unique. Oh, she's so unique and she's so different.

[Willie Geist]

It's the little.

[Jason Bateman]

It's really like one in a million. She's really, really. She's like a human being that's, that's really hard to. It's not easy to come by.

[Sean Hayes]

Rest of the sentence.

[Jason Bateman]

Come by. It's not easy to come by.

[Sean Hayes]

Okay. Okay.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Someone like her is not easy to come by.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, there you go.

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