"Luis Elizondo"

Summary

SmartLess Podcast Episode Summary: "Luis Elizondo"

Podcast Information:

• Title: SmartLess
• Hosts: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett
• Guest: Luis Elizondo
• Release Date: December 30, 2024
• Description: "SmartLess" connects people from all walks of life through thoughtful dialogue and organic hilarity, featuring authentic conversations with surprise guests revealed by the hosts.

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Introduction and Guest Reveal

The episode begins with the typical playful banter among the hosts, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett, setting a relaxed and humorous tone. The surprise guest for this episode is Luis Elizondo, a prominent figure known for his involvement with the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) at the Pentagon.

Notable Quotes:

• Sean Hayes [07:32]: "Pretty ironclad agreement, Sean."
• Will Arnett [07:44]: "This is really exciting because this involves science."

Luis Elizondo's Background and Role

Luis Elizondo introduces himself, highlighting his role in overseeing counter-espionage and counterterrorism investigations at the Department of Defense. He emphasizes his recent testimony before Congress regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs), underscoring the complexity and sensitivity of the information he handles.

Notable Quotes:

• Luis Elizondo [07:45]: "He oversaw counter espionage and counterterrorism investigations worldwide for the Department of Defense..."
• Luis Elizondo [08:17]: "UAP is short for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon..."

Understanding UAPs: Definitions and Implications

The conversation delves into the definition of UAPs, previously known as UFOs. Elizondo clarifies that UAPs encompass objects that can operate with intelligence, flying over U.S. airspace anonymously and potentially posing national security threats by interfering with sensitive military installations and nuclear assets.

Notable Quotes:

• Luis Elizondo [13:15]: "UAP is short for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon. It was changed to UAP some time ago because of the stigma surrounding UFOs."
• Sean Hayes [16:10]: "Governments are designed to be solution-oriented."

National Security Concerns and Government Transparency

Elizondo discusses the challenges of balancing national security with transparency. He explains that while the government possesses information about UAPs, revealing too much could lead to public unrest and potential exploitation by rogue nations or non-state actors. He shares historical examples, such as the CIA's U-2 spy plane incidents, to illustrate the government's cautious approach in disclosing sensitive information.

Notable Quotes:

• Luis Elizondo [14:35]: "The government has no business being involved in... aspects of this conversation that affect us from multiple perspectives."
• Luis Elizondo [16:55]: "Governments are designed to be solution-oriented."

Technological Anomalies and UAP Capabilities

The hosts and Elizondo examine the extraordinary capabilities of UAPs, which surpass current human technology. These include instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic velocities, and maneuverability that defy known physics. Elizondo provides specific examples, such as UAPs executing right-angle turns at speeds that disintegrate conventional aircraft.

Notable Quotes:

• Luis Elizondo [52:10]: "The things we're seeing are doing 1000, 2000, 3000 G forces well beyond anything that we have."
• Luis Elizondo [53:58]: "These are things that when you see them, you realize, okay, this is not our technology."

Scientific Perspectives and Potential Origins

Elizondo offers a multidisciplinary perspective, considering not just extraterrestrial origins but also interdimensional or even Earth-based phenomena. He draws parallels to scientific discoveries, such as microorganisms, to suggest that UAPs might represent unknown natural phenomena or advanced technologies from undisclosed human projects.

Notable Quotes:

• Luis Elizondo [28:28]: "If you look at what we're dealing with, these things have capabilities that outperform anything we have in our inventory."
• Luis Elizondo [31:14]: "What we're talking about are things that have the capability to outperform anything we have in our inventory."

Public Perception and Media Influence

The hosts discuss the public's perception of UAPs, noting the stigma and sensationalism often associated with UFOs. Elizondo emphasizes the need for clear communication to avoid misconceptions and to present the phenomena in a scientifically credible manner.

Notable Quotes:

• Luis Elizondo [14:17]: "We've come further in this conversation in the last seven years than perhaps over the last 70."
• Luis Elizondo [57:35]: "We live in an incomprehensibly complex universe... most of the universe remains hidden because it lies within a frequency beyond what we can perceive."

Future Prospects and Ongoing Research

Elizondo expresses cautious optimism about forthcoming revelations and increased transparency regarding UAPs. He anticipates significant advancements in understanding these phenomena within the next three to five years, facilitated by bipartisan governmental efforts and emerging technologies like artificial intelligence to analyze UAP data.

Notable Quotes:

• Luis Elizondo [49:51]: "I think within the next three to five years, you're going to have a heck of a lot more clarity on this."
• Luis Elizondo [50:05]: "Artificial intelligence is already helping us determine if a UFO video is real or faked."

Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode concludes, Elizondo shares personal anecdotes and reflects on the broader implications of UAP disclosures for humanity's understanding of its place in the universe. The hosts express their gratitude for his insights and encourage listeners to stay informed as more information becomes available.

Notable Quotes:

• Luis Elizondo [60:44]: "Today's technology was yesterday's magic... everything in science is paranormal until it becomes normal."
• Sean Hayes [65:48]: "Some people want to know. I think that information like this runs the risk of really bifurcating."

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Conclusion:

In this engaging episode of SmartLess, Luis Elizondo provides an in-depth exploration of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, shedding light on their potential implications for national security, scientific understanding, and societal perceptions. The candid conversation balances technical insights with relatable anecdotes, making complex topics accessible to a broad audience. Listeners are left with a thoughtful consideration of the mysteries that still lie beyond our current knowledge and the exciting possibilities that future research may unveil.

Transcript

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[Jason Bateman]

Hi guys. Good morning. Welcome. Welcome to another podcast.

[Sean Hayes]

Hi, Sean.

[Will Arnett]

Hi, Will.

[Jason Bateman]

And this is me. I'm here too. Hi, it's Jason. Hi.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, there he is. Sean. What's up? Sean?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, Will.

[Sean Hayes]

There he is, my guy. Sean. Me and Sean on the old Smartless. Welcome to Smartless with Will and Sean. Smart, smart, smart. Lars. Hey, jb. Speaking of the sidelines, at the game last night, I got a text exchange with our buddy hall of fame former quarterback Peyton Manning, and he said that I have. I wear a visor better than any non athlete slash coach.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, I would, I would agree. I would agree.

[Sean Hayes]

Because you wear a good visor too.

[Will Arnett]

You haven't seen me in one.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, we could skip it. Yeah, I can imagine it. Yeah. No, you, you do wear a good visor. I. You gotta have. You gotta have some. You gotta have your beautiful long hair to. To really pull off a visor. Or a hat in general. A hat with short hair. It's just too fifth grade. I think it just makes us all look a little like little tiny little farts that are late for the school bus.

[Will Arnett]

You mean a visor? A baseball hat?

[Jason Bateman]

No, any. A hat hat of any sort? I think you need a little hair coming out the back. A little kick. Little kick out.

[Sean Hayes]

Sean. This is Sean. If this feels like an attack, it's because it is.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

So I get it now. Now, Sean, walk us through. Because the hat. Your hat situation is loose at best. Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

What do you mean?

[Jason Bateman]

Well, you know, he always wears those hats that you and I, Willie. We like those sort of. Those trucker sort of. Type of a high top.

[Sean Hayes]

It's a more of a higher crown. You don't mind. You like a slouch?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, no, he likes a baseball hat. But your baseball hats make your head look like a baseball because they're very round on the top of it.

[Sean Hayes]

They have no. They have no crown to it. Right.

[Jason Bateman]

So it's like a shape to us.

[Sean Hayes]

We like a shape. Yeah.

[Jason Bateman]

A little bit of a wall.

[Will Arnett]

I feel like your trucker hats make your heads look square.

[Jason Bateman]

F you, bro.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, F you. Don't. How dare you insult us. We just spent 10 minutes insulting you. How dare you insult us?

[Jason Bateman]

It's not the way this works.

[Sean Hayes]

Hey, Sean, now what is. Can you. What is. What is the hat you're wearing today. What is that? The gw.

[Will Arnett]

Gw Glenbard West High School, the best high school in America. In Glen Ellen, Illinois, where I. Shout out. Shout out. Hey, did you guys ever see the movie Lucas?

[Sean Hayes]

How is it the best high school in America?

[Will Arnett]

Well, I'm gonna tell you. Did you ever see the movie Lucas? Remember, Lucas? Yeah, with Corey Haim? Winona Ryder's first film?

[Sean Hayes]

Yes.

[Will Arnett]

Charlie Sheen.

[Jason Bateman]

Like I read for that film.

[Will Arnett]

Really?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. Or at least I met. I met with the writer director, I think, afterwards, and.

[Sean Hayes]

Really?

[Will Arnett]

That was filmed in my hometown at my high school. I was an extra. But you can't see me.

[Sean Hayes]

That's what, out of frame. That's okay.

[Luis Elizondo]

That.

[Jason Bateman]

That means you did your extra job. Well, you know, you're not. You're supposed to go kind of unnoticed.

[Will Arnett]

You know, it's committed. I committed. Off camera?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

So how was dinner on Saturday? Didn't we all have fun? Wasn't it fun?

[Jason Bateman]

It was fun. It felt short. It felt like it wasn't quite as long as I wanted it.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, you left early because you had kid pickup to do.

[Jason Bateman]

I did, but, yeah. Did it go on much? Did you guys get into games at all?

[Sean Hayes]

No, we didn't do games this year, did we?

[Jason Bateman]

How come we don't play games anymore? Remember, Shawnee? You used to have a full blown game night at your house.

[Will Arnett]

Nobody's into them and it's so much work. I can't do it. I can't do it because some people are into it, some people aren't. And it's Just why did that go away?

[Jason Bateman]

I feel like Game Night was sort of like a big nationwide sort of trend for a while. I mean, we did that movie too. That was sort of.

[Sean Hayes]

I love that movie.

[Jason Bateman]

Kind of at the end of it.

[Sean Hayes]

Dude, dude, that movie, Game Night, I think we've talked about it on here before. If you haven't seen Jason's movie, Game Night with Jason and Run to the.

[Jason Bateman]

Theater, Rachel Adams, if I'm going to be really honest. God, it's good. I put it on the other night with Franny and Maple, and I had to turn it off in 10.

[Will Arnett]

Said you didn't like it. I think it's one of the funniest movies.

[Jason Bateman]

Been in a bad mood or something, but I was just like, oh, guys, this is. I, I, I remember this being better, but I thought those guys did a great job with that film. But I, I, you are wrong.

[Sean Hayes]

You are wrong. That, that note. You're wrong. That movie is so funny. And I've seen it a few times. I saw, Yeah, I, I've seen it within the last year.

[Will Arnett]

If it's on, I, I was in a weird mood.

[Jason Bateman]

Maybe I'll watch it.

[Sean Hayes]

No, but you just, Ah, Jesse Plemons. Jesse Plemons in that movie. Incredible, by the way. Billy Magnuson, that, that actor, Billy Magnuson, he's so good, so funny. He and Jesse and obviously you and Rachel McAdams.

[Jason Bateman]

Sharon Horgan was awesome at it too.

[Sean Hayes]

Sharon Horgan is amazing in it. What a, what a cast. And if I'm leaving anybody out, it's.

[Jason Bateman]

Because I gotta watch it again.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, and another thing that happened at dinner.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, Jason.

[Will Arnett]

I look over to you, Will, and you weren't even conscious of it. You had like a bowl or a cup or something and you stuck your finger in it and you were really grinding your finger around in a circle to get every last drop or whatever. It was chocolate syrup right in your mouth.

[Sean Hayes]

It was chocolate syrup. It was chocolate syrup.

[Will Arnett]

It was like you were in prison.

[Sean Hayes]

It was chocolate syrup.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, it was. Own little bowl dedicated to the chocolate syrup. I guess he asked for it on the side and it wasn't to pour on anything. It was just for him to put his fat finger in it and just stir it around and stick it in his mouth like some kind of seductive freak.

[Sean Hayes]

I wasn't trying to do it to seduce anybody. I was doing it because it was delicious. And as you know, I have timed out my weekly cheat meal, one meal to that meal, and it worked out that it happened.

[Jason Bateman]

But we're Eating over at Jen's three nights a week now. Okay.

[Sean Hayes]

So no, I'm not doing it three nights a week. I'm doing it once.

[Jason Bateman]

All right.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Speaking of deliciousness, let's get to our guest. Guys, this is really exciting. You're going to be blown away. This is so exciting because this involves science.

[Jason Bateman]

Great.

[Will Arnett]

Yes.

[Sean Hayes]

Science.

[Jason Bateman]

Goddamn celebrities on this show.

[Sean Hayes]

I know.

[Will Arnett]

Well, he's kind of a celebrity. He's an author, a media personality and the former head of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program at the Pentagon.

[Jason Bateman]

So excited.

[Will Arnett]

What? I see.

[Jason Bateman]

Are you so excited. I really am.

[Will Arnett]

I know, Me too. He oversaw counter espionage and counterterrorism investigations worldwide for the Department of Defense while also working for the National Counterintelligence Executive and the Director of National Intelligence. Very recently.

[Sean Hayes]

Jason, that's your forte, right? Counterintelligence. Right.

[Jason Bateman]

Like opposite. So this is Get Dumber call me.

[Will Arnett]

Very recently and I was watching and this is like a week or two ago, he was testifying under oath to Congress about the importance of certain. Let's call them X files being public knowledge. But today he's talking to us dumb dumbs. It's the very brilliant and super cool Luis Elizondo.

[Jason Bateman]

Good morning, sir.

[Luis Elizondo]

Hi.

[Jason Bateman]

Good morning.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, good morning. It is my honor privilege to be with you gents.

[Will Arnett]

Likewise. This is so cool. I wanted to talk to you for years. I think.

[Jason Bateman]

So happy you've brought him on.

[Will Arnett]

I know, I don't.

[Sean Hayes]

I know.

[Will Arnett]

I know how you're gonna explain all this to us.

[Sean Hayes]

Welcome.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, Sean, do you want to get right to it? You want to ask him about the UFOs? Because we can wait.

[Sean Hayes]

No, hang on. Let's just say hi. I'm so excited you're here. God, yeah. You have just raised the bar you've just made. Because we' had idiots like Conan on here a bunch.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, this guy.

[Sean Hayes]

And familiar with him?

[Jason Bateman]

He's the redheaded fell with the talk show.

[Sean Hayes]

Just an absolute ding dong.

[Luis Elizondo]

I. I might have heard of. Heard of his name a few times.

[Sean Hayes]

So investigate him, please. By the way. Also just feel free to get into his.

[Luis Elizondo]

Listen, I gotta apologize.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Luis Elizondo]

Guys. For. For, you know, wearing a hat. I know. Unfortunately I'm one of those guys who has short hair and has to wear a hat because I have an unusually hemispherically round head.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Luis Elizondo]

And so my wife forces me to wear a hat. She like. Otherwise I look like a bowling ball. So look, I.

[Sean Hayes]

Listen, you don't need to be forgiven. Forgive us. And if anything, you should fight. Jason, Obviously he looks like Physically take care of me?

[Jason Bateman]

No, Remind your wife the goal of the head is to be round, so tell her to just back off a little.

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, yeah, I've said that a few times. Unfortunately, you know, after, after 30 years of marriage, I've learned early on that happy, happy wife, happy life. So when she says, wear a hat, I, I wear a hat.

[Jason Bateman]

Isn't that, Isn't that the truth? Right? You've really got to pick your battles if you want to stay married. You just got to be able to say, you are right. Nine times out of ten, if you want to keep your.

[Sean Hayes]

I always say, happy ex wife, happy life. That to me is even. That applies even more. And don't make the mistake of telling them what you're thinking, because that is.

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, I, I don't have that option. My wife made it very clear to me that if, for whatever reason, we were ever, ever to have a divorce, I'd have to buy back my own underwear from her. So.

[Sean Hayes]

Wow.

[Luis Elizondo]

O Wow. I, I, I, I prefer to. I prefer to stay in the current relationship I have right now.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Pretty ironclad agreement, Sean.

[Sean Hayes]

You guys, Sean, you guys do that, right? You and Scotty do not share your own personal opinions. You just keep, like, a nice, neutral stance.

[Will Arnett]

Well, you know what's great? You know what's great about being in a gay relationship is, like, if that if our. Sometimes I have help called, you know, come over and help with laundry and stuff. And if she mixes up our clothes, I just put them on. It doesn't matter.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, you're right.

[Will Arnett]

Ready?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.

[Will Arnett]

It doesn't matter if it's in an opposite drawer or something.

[Jason Bateman]

Sure.

[Will Arnett]

Whatever it is. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I like the way you say, like, help with the laundry as if, like, you're standing there too.

[Jason Bateman]

But what about the way he said, every once in a while I'll call for some help to come over with the laundry? You mean every once in a while? Like every Tuesdays and Thursdays, Monday, Monday through Friday.

[Sean Hayes]

Good for you.

[Jason Bateman]

Or as long as they don't park where the chef parks, everything's all right, by the way.

[Sean Hayes]

Anyway, let's get, let's get into counterintelligism. Intelligence. This is so counterintelligizism.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Now. And thank you in advance for slowing things down and really dumbing it up for us, because like I said, I've been waiting to talk to you forever. I just think it's fascinating what you do and that you've come forward to Want to explain to us, the citizens of this country and people who's ever listening about the things that kind of have been hidden or whatever you've learned. But my first question. Cause I just watched you on TV in front of Congress, what, two weeks ago or something like that. What is it like to be asked so many questions about UAPs? And please explain what UAP means that you either can't answer because of security or, you know, answering truthfully will blow our minds.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah. So great question. And again, thank you very much for having me on this wonderful program of yours. You know, when you're testifying, testifying before Congress and the American people, it's under oath, so you, you definitely need to keep your facts straight and remember that everything you're saying is for the record and it's indelible, meaning those words will be there forever, long after I'm gone and whatnot. So it's important that we communicate clearly. But at the same time, you're right, I have a security clearance and I cannot violate that security clearance. The Pentagon was very, very specific with me on what I can and cannot say in an open hearing. And so that's why you saw me a few times when I, when I said, look, I prefer to have, have that discussion in a closed session because then we can start talking about some of the classified nuances of what they're asking me. And by the way, it's a bit of a precarious situation because, you know, if you don't say enough, then Congress feels that they've. It's kind of like fast food, right? You feel full, but you're not really satisfied. You get some information, but you're not really getting what you're asking for. But at the same time, you know, if I'm, if I'm overly specific, then I can get in trouble with the US Government. I can actually find myself in very significant legal trouble. And for the record, I do not look good in an orange jumpsuit, so try to avoid that as much as possible.

[Jason Bateman]

But if the purpose of the hearing is to gather, you know, information for the public and sort of, you know, march towards transparency. Otherwise, why sit in front of a microphone and share? If, if you're not able to get all the information out, then is. Is the expectation or the, or the hope is that the public would be pleased with and satisfied with just half the information that you're able to share?

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, unfortunately, that's not the case. The public's never happy with, with half information. And I understand that. You know, frankly, I would get frustrated too. But if you look at this conversation as it's kind of evolved over the last, let's say seven years, I think we've come further in this conversation in the last seven than perhaps over the last 70.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Luis Elizondo]

And none of us had to violate our security oaths. More and more information is coming out every single day. More and more whistleblowers are ready to come out and testify and in front of Congress and the American people to, to let them know what, what they know about, about legacy programs and, and the UAP topic you asked me to define by the way, what UAP is. UAP is word for the old term UFO or unidentified Flying Object. It was changed to UAP some time ago. One was because of the stigma, the taboo and stigma surrounding ufo. Look, anytime you say UFO people think, you know, tinfoil hats and Elvis on the mothership and that's what we're talking about. What we're talking about are, are things that are being intelligently controlled that can fly over controlled U. S Airspace with complete anonymity and potentially over our sensitive milit military installations and have the ability to even interfere with our nuclear equities. So from a national security perspective this is a very serious topic. It is a national security concern. But, but there's other aspects to this conversation that if you were to ask me I would, I would submit to you. The government has no business being involved in. So what do I mean? Make a long story short, if I was talking to a three star or four star general about potentially our vulnerabilities with regarding UAP and our nuclear equities, great conversation to have with a three star general. But this is a conversation that affects everybody both equally and a little bit differently, meaning depending how you were raised and your cultural background, your religious background. This is a topic that affects us from a psychological perspective, a theological perspective, a sociological perspective, even a philosophical perspective. And, and in that instance I, I'm not really comfortable with, with a three star general necessarily dictating to me how I should feel about this topic. I was a product of the government and there's a lot of things we do right. And then there's some things that we don't do very well.

[Sean Hayes]

And is that because a couple of things. Is that because a, of their, where their interests lie and what their motives are and what they're looking to do differ from yours. There is our X, Y and Z. And that might not align with you. Is that, is that why?

[Luis Elizondo]

That may be some of it. I mean let's Face it, governments are designed to be solution oriented. What do I mean? We pay a lot of money with our tax dollars to make sure that our government has all the information it needs, all the intelligence it needs in order to make an informed decision to protect us. Now, when you have an issue like this where you can see some of the capabilities but you have no idea the intent behind these things, it leaves people scratching their head. And that's not a really convenient conversation to have with the American people, especially if you are part of the national security apparatus like the Department of Defense, like the CIA. Right. I'll give you case in point. Back in the 1950s, when the CIA first commissioned the U2 spy plane with Lockheed Skunk Works, we wanted to build a plane that could fly higher and faster than anybody else in the world. So we could fly manned reconnaissance missions over mainland Russia, by the way, in contravention to an existing treaty we had with with Russ Russia at the time. So the first few missions went off great. We flew the aircraft and you know what? The Russians didn't respond. And so we really thought our plane was invisible. It was flying faster and higher and we achieved mission success. It wasn't until the Russians developed the SA2 surface to air missile and successfully shot one of our planes down and paraded the Captain Powers and the wreckage of the aircraft in front of the world and the United nations did they admit that they were tracking every single one of the flights from the beginning. They didn't even want to admit to their own people that we had a technology that they had no way of defending themselves against. It wasn't until they had a solution did they admit that they had a problem. And look, a lot of governments are that way, guys. It's not just the United States. It's not just Russia.

[Will Arnett]

Well, that shows China. That shows.

[Sean Hayes]

Don't you have like a cartoon sign right on your toilet door that says skunk works? Don't you do that with like a skunk who's waving?

[Jason Bateman]

That's basically that. That is, that is. That's the purpose of, I'm assuming your. Your hearing a couple of weeks ago or any hearings like that lately where the Congress has questions about what are these and what is the acronym? Unidentified.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, so now it's Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon. It used to be called Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. One of the issues we had actually with ufo, we talk about stigma, taboo, but the reality is it's not even accurate because a lot of times we're seeing these things, not necessarily even in our atmosphere. We're seeing them underwater in low earth orbit where there isn't. Yeah. So there's not.

[Will Arnett]

When we talk about it, don't you see the thing?

[Sean Hayes]

Why don't we just say. Why don't we just say crazy, like, what are we doing? Why do we need to.

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, we do say that behind closed doors. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

We dress it up. Are you underwater?

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Wait, didn't you see the thing? The thing that was released with the little. From the military or from the Navy? Right. It's like, dude, we got it on the fucking camera. We got it on the. And it went under the water and it's on camera.

[Sean Hayes]

What.

[Luis Elizondo]

I mean, so we have a lot of that footage. And you know, when you talk about flying, there's really. When you understand what flying is, there's four fundamental forces. You have thrust, lift, drag, and weight. And when you understand that, you create wings and you create lift and you fly. These things don't have wings. They don't have any obvious signs of propulsion. They don't have rudders and elevators and ailerons. Anything that we would normally ascribe to, let's say an airplane or some sort of aircraft or even missile. These things have none of that. And yet somehow they are. Are able to defy the natural effects of Earth's gravity. So to say that they're flying, that's not even really accurate. We don't know how they're.

[Sean Hayes]

We don't know what they're. We. We know that they're moving, but we don't know. Jay, you've seen. I mean, look there. I have seen. I. I don't even pay attention to it as much as Sean has, but I have. We've all noticed in the last 10 years, I guess, how much more there seems to be footage of. Of stuff. Now. I will say one thing. We had Neil Degrasse Tyson on four or five years, right near the start of doing this podcast, and he talked about the idea that, look, if there was really stuff, considering how many cameras there are in the world now that everybody's got on their phone, we'd see much more definitive evidence. However, my counterpoint is we are seeing stuff because we're seeing video from airline pilots, military pilots. We're seeing stuff moving through the sky. I've seen a bunch of those. I saw the one recently that it looks like a big bot. It looks like a trash can almost.

[Will Arnett]

That was a trash can.

[Sean Hayes]

Was it a trash can?

[Will Arnett]

That was a trash can.

[Jason Bateman]

And we will be right back.

[Will Arnett]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Jason Bateman]

Let me ask you then, sir, without asking you to divulge something you might not be able to. Can I just ask you generally, are you aware of enough information that would make you think that there is some there there that there is definitely unexplainable, legitimate stuff that you've seen repeatedly?

[Luis Elizondo]

100%. And it's not just me. Look, you've already had. I don't know how close you've been Tracking this topic. But we've already had a former Director of National Intelligence, a former director of CIA. We also had a two former presidents of the United States all come out and say, yes, this is real. This is. This is something to this. There are these objects that are able to perform. In fact, the director of. So when I left my program a tip, there were several iterations afterwards. The current iteration is called Arrow aaro All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. And they are under the Department of Defense and the intelligence community. And they just said last week, they said, look, we are seeing things that defy our understanding of physics. It is a fact. We know they are there. We know it is real, whatever it is, and it's something that we need to figure out.

[Will Arnett]

And don't you think we live in a society now where people just don't care?

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, or they continue.

[Will Arnett]

We could be visited by them and people like, sure, whatever. I gotta go pick up my kids. I gotta run to the grocery store. And people are like, there's aliens, okay. Anyway, what's on TV tonight? People just aren't interested. Even they were real.

[Sean Hayes]

That's a funny. Well, we've created that.

[Jason Bateman]

I know Scotty would probably take the day off from.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, this is true.

[Sean Hayes]

We created that we needed to. To dumb everybody down in order for a lot of different reasons. And it just happens to work. And it's come very handy for. For this.

[Will Arnett]

Right?

[Sean Hayes]

But I mean, if you look at whether it's politics, whether it's. Whatever it is, if people were really aware of what is going on, and I am not a conspiracy theorist at all, as you guys could probably attest to, but I do believe, I used to always joke, I'd say if we want to take over a country, you know, one of these things, we don't need to. All we need to do are just drop DVDs of our stupid TV shows and just do to them what we've already done to ourselves so that they become slobbering morons staring in front of their tv, right? Like Sean and Scotty on a Wednesday night. And then you could do anything, you know what I mean? You could walk into Sean and Scotty's house and you could take everything and they wouldn't move because they're like, look at this, they're the housewives of the Bachelorette, right? And then we get dial tone coming out of their mouths. You know what I mean?

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, I'll tell you, that's an excellent point. I'll offer a counterpoint to that as well. When I was growing up, if I wanted to learn anything in school, I had to go to the library, take out an encyclopedia that's probably 10 years old by then, and thumb through it. Maybe I'd find one or two paragraphs on something I was interested in. Now, kids, the new generation have in the palm of their hand more technology, more capability, and the ability to access the globe virtually instantaneously. And I think they may to some degree even be more prepared. Look, when, when I was in the government, we knew about several studies that your taxpayer dollars paid for. And it was, the conversation went something like this. Are the American people ready to know the truth about UAP, about the reality of UFOs? And time and time again, these studies came back and they said, absolutely not. It'll cause some sort of social discord and it will create havoc and it'll be a destabilizing conversation. Now here we are seven years into the conversation, and last I checked, nobody's made a run on the banks. Everybody's paying their mortgages, everybody's still going to PTA meetings. So I, I think this generation, actually, the younger generation may be better equipped to have this conversation to some degree, because when we were growing up, we had, you know, a lot of Judeo Christian influence and a lot of basically people saying, look, these are, these are accepted norms, accepted conversations to have. And these are not keeping in mind that we are governed, government placed about 70 years worth of artificial taboo and stigma on this topic most of the time. Like I said, when you, when you hear the word ufo, you, you hear about, you know, Elvis on the mothership and silly things like that.

[Will Arnett]

Right.

[Luis Elizondo]

And that's not really what we're talking about. What we're talking about are things that have the capability to outperform anything we have in our inventory and have been able to do so for decades.

[Sean Hayes]

Right.

[Jason Bateman]

But, but the, but the assumption along with that or the implication is that these things have been sent from a place other than Earth. And so that comes with it as to point issues of theology and science, scientific capability, and on and on and on and on.

[Luis Elizondo]

Jason, can I, can I offer something? Because you said something very, very interesting and when I was 18.

[Sean Hayes]

Let's write it down.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Luis Elizondo]

When I was a senior guy, it was, you know, I was, I was told a lot that, you know, people really can't, can't handle the truth and whatnot. I, I think we can, I think we are in a situation now that is different than when I was growing up. I, I think you mentioned about these Things being from outer space. And when I'm asked, are they from outer space? I say, well, they can be from outer space, inner space or the space in between. So what do I mean by that? I went to school, by the way, I'm not a conspiracy theorist either. I went to school to, to study medicine. So I gradu. Graduated as a microbiologist and immunologist and studied parasitology, not parapsychology, the study of parasites, microorganisms. And it was, if you were to look at modern humans, about the last two to 400,000 years, Homo sapien. Sapien. We've been around what we think is a long time, but in reality, in the grand scheme of things, it's not really that long at all. So if you look at a 24 hour clock and let's say the beginning of that being when we first became modern humans, it was only in about the last 15 minutes, the last 2,000 years, that we realized the two primary forms of life on this planet. And it was the Greeks that suggested you are either a plant or you are an animal. Animal. And it wasn't until the last 10 seconds of our existence, right before it strikes midnight, the last hundred, sorry, the last 300 years ago during the Renaissance or the days of enlightenment, that we discovered an entirely new form of life on this planet that is neither plant nor animal. And it was the world of fungus. And so we tap ourselves on the shoulder and say, you know, clever little monkey. And it wasn't for the last five seconds of our existence. Think about that, the last 120 years, that we actually discovered the true alpha life form on this planet that's been here all along. In fact, if you take all the biomass of every plant, all the biomass of every animal, and all the biomass of every fungus and add it up together, it still does not add up to the biomass of this hidden life form that's been here all along. And it wasn't until we could curve glass and put in a little metal tube and famously shout the words little beasties, little beasties did we discover the words world of microorganisms. And so they it is. Is it possible that these things we're dealing with are just as natural to Earth as we are? Well, it's certainly possibility. Could these things be from underwater? Well, it's certainly a possibility. We, we know more about the surface of the moon than we do our own oceans. We have mapped less than 10% of the ocean floor. Are these things, could they be from outer space? Sure. Could they be Interdimensional. And I don't mean interdimensional in kind of a woo, woo sort of way. I mean from a quantum physics sort of way way.

[Will Arnett]

Right.

[Luis Elizondo]

Where a lot of our reality actually lies. So, you know, it's, it's a great question to suggest like traveling through black.

[Jason Bateman]

Holes that we might not even see yet.

[Luis Elizondo]

Absolutely, quite possible, right? Yeah, yeah. We are learning more about space and time and the relationship that space and time is flexible, it's compressible, it's stretchable.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

And how, how, how likely is it that the UAP technology or these things that you're discovering or we're discovering is mistaken for technology from other countries? You know, is that a possibility as well?

[Luis Elizondo]

So it is. But, but here's the problem. Let's say this is a Russian, for example, Russian technology. That would mean that despite all the billions of dollars that we invest into our intelligence community, someone somewhere has developed this, this technology in secret, has been able to deploy it over our controlled US airspace and there's not a darn thing we can do about it. So that would be equivalent to the greatest intelligence failure this country has, has ever endured, eclipsing that of even 9, 11 by an order of magnitude.

[Sean Hayes]

Let me just say this, let me just interject and say that I doubt it's Russian. This is the same country that's, that's hiring mercenaries from Yemen to go and do some of their bidding in Ukraine. So I, I'm highly doubtful of it.

[Luis Elizondo]

Will, let's, let's look at it temporarily, right? So let's. 1950s, we, we've been dealing, there's documentation right now that anybody can go out and look at from the US government from 1950s, early 50s that we've been dealing with this. Now where were we? We had just entered the atomic age, we had barely broken the sound barrier and we hadn't yet been into space. Where were the Chinese? Well, they're in the middle of a famine. And where was Russia? They were just developing the atomic bomb for themselves, still using, you know, proverbially horse drawn buggies to deliver it. So that would be like walking into King Tut's tomb for the very first time in the 1920s and discovering a fully assembled 747 jet plane sitting inside the tomb. It doesn't make sense.

[Jason Bateman]

All right, are you, are you, are you, what's your level of confidence that we're gonna learn something definitive before us? For what? 50 year olds die?

[Sean Hayes]

Well, well, as part of JB, as part of that, what is your level of confidence that you're gonna be able to divulge some of what you know and then also reveal more soon?

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, I, I think we are well down that path. I think we are having that conversation now within the legislative branch and the executive branch of our government. Politics aside, you know, whether you're liberal or conservative doesn't matter. This is a truly a bipartisan issue. And I have seen both the Democrats and Republicans who would never, ever, ever even exchange glances with each other, are literally sitting side by side having lunch talking about this topic.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, I'm bipartisan curious. By the way, it should be noted.

[Jason Bateman]

Are you implying that there is something to not know? And the, and, and the, the, the question only is when are we going to agree to let the public know it?

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[Jason Bateman]

There is something to know that we, that we're not being told.

[Luis Elizondo]

Absolutely. Oh, that's, that's. I, I testified before the American people.

[Sean Hayes]

And, and so did I told you right now that we're not recording. And just, and, and just between us. And we're just going to chill. We're all chill.

[Will Arnett]

We'll cut this out. We'll cut this out.

[Sean Hayes]

How does that.

[Jason Bateman]

I mean, you know, you look at. I, I won't even say people's names, but there are certainly people in the government or that would love to be the one that tells everybody finally this answer, like, how has that not happened in a world of everyone sort of violating their NDAs and all that stuff? I can't believe somebody in the government with this clearance hasn't popped off and written a book anonymously or something and said here's all the goods.

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, people have. And unfortunately there have been very serious repercussions for doing it. There have been attacks on the credibility attacks on the reputation. Some of us have been physically threatened. Unfortunately, there, there is really darkest. Oh, absolutely. There is a. Definitely. One of my colleagues, Dave Grusch, who testified last year, was, Was ripped to pieces. Unfortunately, some people in, in the CIA had leaked some dossier of his and they made it within 24 hours of him testifying. It was headline news that, that he, he sought some psychological counseling for ptsd. The attempt was trying to smear his credibility when in reality he. What he was supposed to do as a, as a combat veteran, but they tried to use it against him. Reprehensible. But.

[Jason Bateman]

Well, it's unfortunate because it seems like now more than ever we could really use something like this to really kind of shock everybody into this recognition of unanimity and that we're all humans on this one planet, given all of our sort of micro differences, the macro, Macro similarity is that we're all human beings, regardless of party affiliation, all that stuff. And something like knowledge that aliens exist or something like this would maybe just snap everybody into like, oh, we're all one.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, that some other. Whether it's aliens or that there's. That there's something else that exists that is beyond our. Because it's not even a thing or a spacecraft or a ship or whatever, but just something that we can't even conceive of. That idea, the thing that the human, Human brain can't even. That we can't imagine it would.

[Jason Bateman]

Right. Size our differences.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, it's beyond our. Create. Beyond our minds to create, you know, that idea.

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, I am, you know, cautiously optimistic.

[Jason Bateman]

You could do that for America right now.

[Luis Elizondo]

I think I, I think there's a lot of, you know, the truth shall set you free is an old slogan from one of the agencies I used to work with. And, you know, I believe that that truth is. Is. And transparency is the best. You know, sunlight. Right. Is the best disinfectant. I, America, can handle the truth on this topic. But I will tell you, there is some parts of this conversation that are very uncomfortable for some people because it may challenge some people's preconceived notions of, for example, their religion or the notion of certain governments preeminence. When people realize that maybe we're not the alpha life form necessarily, that could create a lot of anxiety for some people, God forbid. Right. So now they have to reconcile. Well, you know, maybe we aren't the top of the food chain per se. What does that mean for us?

[Sean Hayes]

Well, think about it this. I was just watching. I was just reading a thing. Another thing. Jonathan Haidt, the guy who's been doing all this stuff, crusading against phone usage with our kids, et cetera, he wrote that Anxious generation. Amazing. But one of the things he was talking about was this idea that we're so nervous about letting our kids play and now they've increased the age parents have, that they're comfortable letting their kids play outside on their own to 12 years old or whatever because they're so nervous about it. And I think about that. And we've gotten increasingly nervous about allowing ourselves, and I think about that idea. So imagine people are afraid to let their kids play outside until they're now 12 years old. Whatever. Imagine the idea of turning upside down everything, not just about Your religion, everything that you think this will affect. The way you look at interpersonal relationships. This will look at. This is an interplanetary. It's an existential question. Right. It'll look, you know, forever. People through art, through music, whatever. People are always talking about looking for, why, why am I here? The great Greek philosophers, what is it all about? Blah, blah, blah. Guess what? You're about to find out. Here's what it's all about. And it's gonna blow people's minds.

[Will Arnett]

Right.

[Sean Hayes]

Right. Throw out your drugs. You don't need them anymore.

[Jason Bateman]

Right.

[Sean Hayes]

You know.

[Luis Elizondo]

You know, from a. From a national security perspective, I had. This is a. Let me see if I can give you an example of some of the conversations I had with some of the generals in the Pentagon about this topic. Because the first thing to ask me is, Lou, is, is it a threat?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, I was just going to say, like, what is the national threat? Yeah.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah. So my response is, we don't know. But here's the bottom line. In order to determine if something is a threat, it's a very simple calculus from a national security perspective. It's capabilities versus intent. Now, we've seen some of the capabilities. We have no idea the intent. So let me give you a little analogy here, and I'll. I'll just start with you, Will, let me ask you a quick question. I'm sure you live in a beautiful neighborhood, wonderful house, Taurus. Right. Do you lock your front door at night before you go to bed?

[Sean Hayes]

I do.

[Jason Bateman]

Oh, yeah.

[Luis Elizondo]

I do, too. And you know, I would submit to you that probably most people do. Even though you don't expect anything bad to happen, let's say one night, you go ahead and you lock your front door, and you even take the extra step to make sure your windows are locked, and you punch in the code, security code, to your keypad for your alarm system, and you go to bed. And now you wake up one Sunday morning. Morning. Come downstairs, I have a nice hot cup of coffee or tea. And as you walk downstairs, you notice size 11 muddy boot prints in your living room carpet that were not there the night before.

[Jason Bateman]

Sorry.

[Luis Elizondo]

Now. Right. So there. No one's been hurt. Nothing's been taken. But despite you locking the doors and the windows and turning on the alarm, there are now muddy boot prints in your. In your living room that were not there the night before. So my question to you is, is that a threat? So my response is, it could be if it wanted to be. So we better figure out how it's getting into the House, this is the same rationale from a national, national security perspective. We see these things coming into our airspace. There's not a darn thing we can do about it. They seem to be able to interfere with their nuclear equities, and they are very interested in our military capabilities. Is that a threat? Well, it could be if it wanted to be. So we got it right.

[Will Arnett]

We don't know until.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more or it's almost like the equivalent is almost like in the Godfather with the horse head in the bed. It's like, you know, we could do this. We could do whatever we want. We're just letting you know we're here. We're rattling your cage. Now, look, they might not. We might turn out.

[Will Arnett]

But they might even think so.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, we might even turn out to be so primitive that they're like, these ding dongs think that we're threatening them, but we don't need to threaten them. We're just looking around and they're so, you know, we're just like these little peons who are like, right. Reacting.

[Will Arnett]

Are there protocols or, you know, safety measures in place for dealing with a possible. Whatever muddy, muddy boots there are.

[Luis Elizondo]

You know, we do a lot of war planning in the Pentagon for contingency.

[Jason Bateman]

So mocks are ready.

[Luis Elizondo]

But. But it's. Look, let me give you another example, Will, what you just said, it could be just like us flying in a helicopter over the Serengeti, looking at the wildebeest, right? And let's say we go a step further and we dart. We decide to dart one and we tranquilize it. We land the helicopter, we pull blood from it, and we're, you know, looking at its migratory patterns and its health and whatnot. Can you imagine from the perspective of that wildebeest? Now all of a sudden it wakes up, it kind of, you know, waddles over to the. To the watering hole, and it's like, bill, you're not going to believe this, man, but yeah, yeah, I was just sitting there by myself. All of a sudden, something came down from the sky. All of a sudden, people were touching me. Things were happening to me, and now my butt hurts. Right?

[Sean Hayes]

I had a similar experience, by the way. I'm not joking. The other night I was driving and I saw a coyote, or a coyote, as some people say erroneously. And I was driving right here near my house, and I saw this coyote, and it was whipping along the street because I was driving my car. But he was freaking out and. And then he. And then he kind of got out of my way and and then I was past him. I kind of slowed down and he went behind me, blah, blah, blah. And I was thinking at that time, I was like, oh, silly little coyote, I'm not going to hurt you.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And I and I thought like from his perspective, he's like, oh my God, this huge machine with lights and blah blah blah blah. And there I am. And I don't realize that I'm the coyote. And I'm probably more scared and dumber than that coyote in the grand scheme of things. Or we are, right?

[Jason Bateman]

We'll be right back.

[Will Arnett]

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[Jason Bateman]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Sean Hayes]

And now back to the show.

[Will Arnett]

Luis, talk to Will and Jason about the animal mutations. Yeah, because that's crazy.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah. So I actually had the privilege of speaking to an individual in Montana. He works for the U.S. department of Agriculture and is one of the senior bovine veterinarians in Montana. And he is particularly concerned of what you refer to as cattle mutilations. It's been going on for decades where farmers here in the United States and around the world have been having some of their livestock completely and totally gutted and disemboweled without any blood loss. In some cases it looks like the, the wounds have been cauterized instantly by some sort of laser. No blood loss in other cases. Very perplexing. One in particular I heard about up in Montana where the only thing that was missing from the animal was the tiniest little bone from inside the earth. So when you look at natural predation in nature, you can expect. You just talked about a coyote, for example. You can see puncture wounds in animal flesh. You can see how the canines and the incisors will tear away flesh. That's not the case here. These animals, in some cases, with surgical precision and a knowledge of anatomy, their sexual organs have been removed. In some cases their brains have been removed. Again, no sign of predation, no blood loss. It's as if someone came in with a laser scalpel couple and just decided to remove certain, certain portions of the animal while leaving the rest behind.

[Sean Hayes]

Okay, okay, okay. This is, I mean first of all, who knows everything? Who's the one person other than Sean who's guessing everything, who knows? Is there one or is there a body? Is there a body of people who are sitting there going a. Laughing at us for worrying about elections and all that stuff? Just saying, guys, you are, you are wasting your godd time on the wrong thing. And who are those people?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, is there a department that knows everything that there is to know?

[Luis Elizondo]

So historically the CIA and the Air Force had managed this effort for the U.S. government. And then you had some special operations units like Joint Special Operations Command, jsoc, who also appeared to have had a piece of it in Department of Energy to say that there's one particular group that, that had all knowing or all encompassing insights into this. I don't think so. I know that there were when I had our program, a tip, there was discussions in the hallways of a Much older program, a legacy program that was involved for many, many years in this topic and really was involved in what we call now crash retrievals and trying to exploit that technology. But again, we get back to intent, don't we? Right? We can look at something all day long for, from a nuts and bolts perspective and still not have any idea its intent. You know, one way to look at this too, people say, well, is it possible there is no intent like artificial intelligence, it's just binary, it's just doing what it does? Yeah, that's absolutely a possibility as well. You know, intent seems to be a very human thing. And when I say intent, I don't mean motivation. You know, when a shark bites a surfer, its intent isn't to hurt the surfer. The motivation is that it's hungry and it wants to eat.

[Will Arnett]

Right.

[Luis Elizondo]

Human, humans are really some of the, and some, some advanced primates are really the only animals on this planet that have true intent where we, we can manipulate things in order to achieve whatever our, our intention is. Are we dealing with something that is not only very, very smart, very intelligent, but also has intent, or is that more of a uniquely human thing? Right. So these are all questions that are, that are being asked philosophically from some of the scientists that are, that are still part of this effort. By the way, we had some of, of the best theoretical physicists and astrophysicists and mathematicians and scientists in our program.

[Jason Bateman]

So based on, I think I asked this before, and I apologize if you gave me an answer. I probably just didn't understand it. But based on your knowledge of the current pitch of understanding, do you anticipate having some answers before we die?

[Luis Elizondo]

Absolutely. No. I think within the next three to five years, you're going to have a heck of a lot more clarity on this.

[Will Arnett]

That's what all the pharmaceutical companies say too. We'll have a cure in three to five years. All right?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, yeah. Well, well, do you think AI, do you think AI will help with some of this intelligence?

[Luis Elizondo]

It is already. Yeah, it is already. We, we're using it to, to actually look at deep fake videos to determine if a, a UFO video is real, faked. And that's important when you're briefing members of Congress. Right. You got to be 100% accurate. And if not, it could blow.

[Sean Hayes]

Is AI going to be able to ask tough questions that we can't or sort of sift through not just images, but, but information we don't even need.

[Jason Bateman]

To know to ask?

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah. So artificial intelligence, unfortunately, its limitations are it's only as good as its teacher.

[Will Arnett]

Right.

[Luis Elizondo]

And his teacher tends to be humans.

[Will Arnett]

What you prompt.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, right.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, Sean used to think that artificial intelligence was, when he drank smart water and he thought, he's like, if I just drink it, if I drink enough of it, trying so hard, if I drink enough of it.

[Jason Bateman]

You would think with our current level of like global surveillance that like every corner of this world has got a camera on it via satellite. So it would think that there wouldn't be any flying around this planet that goes undetected or unmonitored or stored or something. Was that a safe assumption?

[Luis Elizondo]

Unfortunately, no. With all due respect, when we actually started calibrating radar systems to look for uap, something very interesting happened. About a year and a half ago, we started tracking Chinese balloons that were wafting over the Northern hemisphere and, and, and continental United States. If you remember the stories about these surveillance, they've been there a long time. The bottom line is we really don't have a very good handle on our, what we call us, aero domain awareness. We're supposed to, but the sad truth is we don't. There's a lot of things in our skies that we do not have any visibility into. And that's part of the problem with UAP because you know, potentially you, you could have a near air collision. And we've had this before with both private pilots and also in some of our military pilots.

[Will Arnett]

Right, I, I read that too.

[Jason Bateman]

Because these things are potentially made of, of, of material that we haven't programmed our detectors to detect.

[Luis Elizondo]

It's a little more complicated than that. Let me see if I can break this down for you. Just from some of the performance, performance parameters. There's, there's five fundamental observables that we have noticed from an intelligence that puts this technology leaps and bounds beyond anything we have. So the first observable is instantaneous acceleration. That's the ability to move from point A to point B very rapidly. Now a human being like me, we can withstand about 9G forces wearing a G suit for a short period of time before you start suffering medical consequences like blackouts, red outs, and ultimately death. So if you compare that to let's say the General Dynamic Dynamics F16, right. The, the F16 can, can pull about 16 to 17 GS before you start having structural failure. Meaning the, the airframe starts to disintegrate around you. What we are seeing are things that are doing 1000, 2000, 3000 G forces well beyond anything that we have. And then you have the other observable which is hypersonic velocity. That's five times the speed of sound or roughly five times 760, 63 miles an hour at sea level, roughly. So you're looking about 3200 miles an hour. Now do we have technology that can go that fast? Yes, we do. The, the Lockheed YF12A SR71, the Blackbird for example, can do about 3, 200 miles an hour at the unclassified level. But when it wants to take a right hand turn, it takes roughly half the state of Ohio to do it. And yet what we are seeing are things that are not doing 3,000 miles an hour, they're doing 10,000 thousand, 13,000 miles an hour. And they can execute immediate right angle turns in 180s, right? So these are some of the things that when you see them you realize, okay, this is not our technology. This isn't Russian, this isn't Chinese. This is something completely different.

[Will Arnett]

What's the weirdest thing you've come across that you still can't explain?

[Jason Bateman]

How about that? You know, I know, of course, but I mean to not understand that technology because my God, we could, I bet you that could just solve so many things for us to have technology like that and engineers like that.

[Sean Hayes]

Here's what I suspect a little bit. And I think, Sean, this is good news for you. I think that back in the day, back in the 70s, that some of these entities, these unknown entities, if you will, tried to, to soften the blow of blowing our minds by.

[Will Arnett]

Slow playing.

[Sean Hayes]

It, seeding, slow playing and through stories, through storytelling.

[Jason Bateman]

Battlestar Collect, Star wars.

[Sean Hayes]

And they got into George Lucas brain. And so my point is this, Sean, you might get, you might get to Tatooine after all, after all this, you might get to fucking tattooing.

[Will Arnett]

I'll go. I'll fucking go.

[Jason Bateman]

But, but you, but you think that we've got a shot, you think with, even within the next three to five years, maybe get, get, get a significant breadcrumb here that can satisfy some of our curiosity and some explanation.

[Will Arnett]

What's the Holy grail of that, of what Jay's saying? Like what's the Holy Grail piece?

[Luis Elizondo]

Well, you know, you don't, you don't want to share technology and insight into, into breakaway technologies knowing that there are rogue nations out there and non state actors that would love to take that technology and do something bad with it, right? So that's terrifying. Imagine being able to fly over the White House completely anonymously and instantly and do whatever you want, then leave. That's not exactly the A good news situation for our national security. And so that's, that's priority number one, right? How do you, how do you have this conversation while keeping it out of the hands of people who don't want to do good things with it? Then you have other issues. How long have, have we, have we known about this and how long have we kept it from the American people? There's liability there, there's, there's a very significant problem. For example, look at this from a business perspective. You have company A, aerospace company A and Aerospace company B. Someone in the government decides to take a very interesting piece of material that was found during a crash and gives it to company A. Meanwhile, 10 years later, company A becomes a multi billion dollar aerospace corporation. Company B goes bankrupt and now 200 jobs are lost and people investors now lose their money on the market because a company goes belly up. You know, there, there's like, there's Security Exchange Commission, there's SEC violations. On doing that you have to, in the government, you have to give everybody a fair chance to compete. And when you give an unfair advantage to company A over company B, there could be billions of dollars worth of liability in that alone. Right? And then you have the problem where people in government were telling people, members of Congress, nothing to see here, folks. Meanwhile, all along there was a lot to see here. We were actually investigating this and we learned a, a lot about it.

[Sean Hayes]

Do you, let me ask the, see, I'm going to phrase this. Do you, have you been exposed to enough information in your life that what you think you know or what you do know or what you've heard about or been exposed to that were the circumstances different, that if we just knew that much much that we'd all be blown away. Stuff that you're not willing or can't talk about. Can you even say that?

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, sure, I, I, I, absolutely there is. But let me, let me just give this in very, in a term that everybody will understand here. We live in an incomprehensibly complex universe. And in fact we judge our universe by the five fundamental senses which we have. Which is if you can't touch it, taste it, hear it, smell it, except, etc, we can't interact with it. And yet if you had the ability to look at this world around you through something as simple as cell phone vision, and now you could see in 5G and in Wi Fi and GPS, you would see an entirely different reality around you. For example, I live here in Wyoming. Beautiful unoccluded night skies. But if you look at that same portion of the night sky, through, let's say, infrared, you will see nebula, you'll see a whole different reality in front of you that's just as real as the reality you live in now. In fact, maybe even more real. The problem is we can't interact with it. The. The way we look at the universe through vision alone is only 0.0035% of the entire electromagnetic spectrum, meaning most of the universe remains hidden because it lies within a frequency beyond what we can perceive. And then you've got the other challenge of size. So as. As big as this universe is, most people don't really understand just how.

[Sean Hayes]

By the way, just. Just to interrupt, Jason still applies. Size doesn't matter. You're good. It doesn't matter.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay. O. Okay, thank you.

[Sean Hayes]

Okay.

[Luis Elizondo]

I won't comment on that.

[Sean Hayes]

I just. I saw him get nervous because he's been told so many times, it's fine. I'm fine.

[Luis Elizondo]

Right.

[Will Arnett]

Louise, tell me before. Before I let you go, because, by the way, this has been.

[Sean Hayes]

It's mind blowing.

[Will Arnett]

Mind blowing. It's incredible. You have a book called Imminent, which I'm getting. It's. It's inside the Pentagon's hunt for UFOs. It's. It's called Imminent, and I haven't read it, but I want. I can't wait to read it. And. And you. You wrote it. What was your wife's reaction? I think.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, let's just say my involvement in the UFO program went over like a lead balloon. Mrs. Elizondo was not very, very happy about that.

[Jason Bateman]

Just to go back to what you were talking about, and I don't mean to oversimplify it or make it too brief, but are you basically saying that in answer to your question to Will, the stuff that you do know that you're not able to share with us, that you are convinced would blow our minds, that the sort of. The context of that, the root of that lives in what you're talking about, which is the stuff that's amazing is kind of like all of this stuff we can't see, like cell towers or radio frequencies and television stuff that's going through the air that we can't see, it all kind of lives in there. And then eventually we're going to kind of learn about this stuff that. Yeah, there's all this stuff around, and we just have never seen it because you can't see just like cell tower technology, space in between.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, in essence, you know, look, today's technology was yesterday's magic. That's Just the fact. Right. And, and, and what we consider paranormal, it by, by the definition of science, everything in science is paranormal until it becomes normal.

[Jason Bateman]

Right.

[Luis Elizondo]

That's just the world we live in. And so we have to, we have to recalibrate a little bit how we think about things and how we look at ourselves and our place in the universe. Like I said, you know, imagine this universe being 100 billion light years across, and we're this tiny little speck, you know, in the middle. And as big as that seems, if you look at one hydrogen molecule, Avogadro's number 1 times 6 something times 10 to the negative 23rd, that's roughly the same order of scale, guys. Meaning as small as we are to the universe, if you compare an atom to our body, that's roughly the same order of magnitude, we as a species can only interact with 1 or 2 degrees order of magnitude. Up or down. Down. Otherwise the universe is simply too big or too small and we'll never be able to interact.

[Will Arnett]

I love that. I think that's fascinating.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Luis Elizondo]

That's where most of reality lives.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Now, final question, Louise, What's.

[Sean Hayes]

Can you explain why Sean and Scotty won't go past five block radius from their house? Is this related to that?

[Jason Bateman]

It's a microcosm.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. We're the atom of our neighborhood.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, right.

[Will Arnett]

Okay, final question, Luis. What's a talent or skill people would never think expect you to have because.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh my God. You got any theater stories?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah. You have any theater stories ever? Forget your line on stage.

[Luis Elizondo]

Okay, so there's, there's three things that, that, so despite looking like I'm from Iowa, I'm actually Cuban. So I, I, that's, I speak Spanish and I, I Spanish. So we do three things coming out of the womb quite well. One is we smoke cigars quite well. We kind of, it's genetic for us, I guess. Two, we can dance salsa and merengue pretty well. And the third thing I probably can't discuss over the airwaves is probably not appropriate, but those are kind three things as Latinos. Nice.

[Sean Hayes]

Sure.

[Jason Bateman]

Very nice.

[Sean Hayes]

Can you once and for all also say that definitively that. Because Sean said at the, in the opening that, by the way, I was.

[Luis Elizondo]

Talking about drinking rum.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, no, I know, I know.

[Luis Elizondo]

Of course.

[Will Arnett]

For sure.

[Luis Elizondo]

Yeah, yeah. Just want to make sure I clarify.

[Sean Hayes]

But Sean went to say that is that whatever, you know, Gwyneth Walston High School or whatever in Glen Ellen, Illinois, but it's not, whatever, it's not the best. Right. We can we have evidence to support this.

[Will Arnett]

Kind of the best.

[Sean Hayes]

Don't answer that. Don't answer that.

[Luis Elizondo]

I plead the Fifth.

[Will Arnett]

It's a pleasure having you on.

[Sean Hayes]

What a pleasure.

[Will Arnett]

I've watched you in documentaries, I've watched you in Congress. I just think what you're doing is incredible. And, and thank you.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, keep it going.

[Will Arnett]

And by the way, part, thank you for your service to the country as well.

[Luis Elizondo]

Gentlemen. It's always a team effort. Thank you very much. By the way, my two daughters, who also work for the government, are huge fans of you guys. Oh, tell me when they found out. Oh, I absolutely will. When I, when I told them I was going to do your show, I think both of them were about to jump, jump out the window. They were so excited.

[Sean Hayes]

Can you, can you also make it this pleasure if you get the green light to kind of like divulge a bunch of stuff? Will you just give us a heads up real quick?

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, we really want to know.

[Sean Hayes]

We're so curious.

[Jason Bateman]

We love breaking news on this show.

[Luis Elizondo]

You have my word.

[Jason Bateman]

But we'll be sure to pick up your book and thank you for spending some time.

[Luis Elizondo]

Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. Look, I didn't come on here to plug a book. Just wanted to have a conversation. Appreciate it.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Luis Elizondo]

But if there's anything, you guys ever have any questions, let me know.

[Jason Bateman]

Thank you, sir.

[Will Arnett]

All right, thanks, buddy.

[Sean Hayes]

We got a lot. Thank you.

[Jason Bateman]

Enjoy your day.

[Luis Elizondo]

Take care.

[Jason Bateman]

Bye.

[Sean Hayes]

Bye.

[Will Arnett]

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.

[Jason Bateman]

Hey, look, can we make a commitment that we're going to have more, more non actors on this show?

[Will Arnett]

I said to Will last week, I was like, you're going to love this guy.

[Sean Hayes]

I know. I couldn't get. I was trying to think. You kept saying you were trying to send me. You were like, you're going to go crazy. You're going to love. And I. You were so.

[Will Arnett]

But you'd never seen Luis in, in documentaries or anything?

[Luis Elizondo]

No.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, and he's always in.

[Sean Hayes]

I don't know what kind of time you think I have.

[Jason Bateman]

Yeah, man. What, you think I'm just like going down wormholes on YouTube for congressional reports? Hey, it was interesting in front of Congress this week, by the way.

[Sean Hayes]

The other day I was reading in bed in the middle of the day. It was on a Saturday, so I was just enjoying myself. And abel said, My 14 year old, he's like, hey, bubba, we're texting. He's in the house and he goes, where are you? And I go, I, I go, I'm in my bed reading. He just Writes nerd.

[Jason Bateman]

Nerd. Hey, that guy. I gotta tell you, man, you know, as we start to get more and more of these bigger breadcrumbs about what is and what isn't, I think we're gonna find out a little bit more what is. And it is going to make us feel appropriately smaller and more naive and more humble. And I think I'm ready for that. I bet you most the world is ready for that and can bear a little bit.

[Sean Hayes]

You're ready. I mean you've, you, this, you live in this world, you want to know. But, but are you worried, are you worried that, that there might be information that will blow your mind too much?

[Will Arnett]

No.

[Sean Hayes]

That's gonna change. Well, I think, I think, look, some people want to know. I think that information like this, I think that it runs the risk of really bifurcating.

[Jason Bateman]

There's too much of a sentence left afterwards. Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Is it okay? Sorry, don't accept it. Okay.

[Jason Bateman]

You should have said the sentence and then said now that would be very.

[Sean Hayes]

There's a lot of it might buy for K.

[Jason Bateman]

Okay, bye.

[Sean Hayes]

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