"Olivia Colman"

Summary

SmartLess Podcast – “Olivia Colman”

Hosts: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett
Guest: Olivia Colman
Date: August 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of SmartLess features celebrated British actor Olivia Colman, known for her incredible range across drama and comedy. The conversation weaves through her early career, breakout roles, prestigious accolades, craft as an actor, and the joys and anxieties of working in film and television. It’s a lively, warm, and self-effacing discussion, with plenty of laughs—plus some sincere introspection into the nature of art and parenting. The episode also touches on Olivia’s latest film "The Roses" (with Benedict Cumberbatch), her iconic performance as Queen Elizabeth II, and her love for reality television.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Welcome and British-Canadian Banter

(Show content begins around 03:07, guest enters at 08:36)

• Will is in Seattle for a personal event, banters about friends and family.
• Playful ribbing about NHL teams, Sean’s grocery shopping, and "good milk" in London (“good non fat cow milk” quest).
• Will introduces the guest: “Academy Award winner… Olivia Colman!”

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2. Olivia Joins – British Comedy, Awards, and Identity

(08:36 – 14:00)

• Olivia’s arrival: A gracious and cheeky entrance; laughs about the “good teats” comment.

• England-love: Sean and Jason talk about their fondness for England; Olivia is based in London, currently in the US countryside.

• On her career diversity:

  • Will: “What’s staggering is the breadth of your work… do you consider yourself comedic, dramatic, or none of the above?”
  • Olivia (11:11): “A little bit of all of it, sure… Comedy has my heart because that’s where I got work, but I always wanted to do something dramatic.”

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3. Breaking into Drama & Early Recognition

(11:41 – 17:14)

• Tyrannosaur:

  • Olivia on the pivotal moment moving into drama thanks to director Paddy Considine (11:43).
  • “It was a slow burn… Sundance loved it, which makes me love Sundance.” (12:12)

• Reactions to Praise & Discovering Her Talents:

  • Jason presses about when she realized she was “special.” Olivia: “I’m very shallow. This is great.” (13:08)
  • On school play at 16 as her first acting moment: “People clapping… that was brilliant.” (15:24)
  • “My mum and dad… could barely speak afterwards—‘oh, fuck’—I thought, oh, I think that’s a good thing.” (15:33)

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4. Early Career, Comedy Roots, and “Peep Show”

(17:14 – 21:03)

• Reluctance to admit to pursuing acting: “I never really admitted it to anyone out loud… in my head I thought, I wonder if I’m allowed to be an actor, because I didn’t come from that.” (17:14)
• On meeting her husband, teacher training, and cleaning jobs before acting: (17:40)
• Drama school with husband: (18:31)
• First TV job (sketch show) and “Peep Show” backstory
  • “They’d met Sam and Jesse who wrote Peep Show… they said, we need a woman… our mate Collie…” (19:24)
• Comedy shaping skills:
  • “I couldn’t write for shit… but they can. We say their words and you appear to be funny.” (20:11)

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5. Comedy vs. Drama, Vulnerability, & Craft

(21:03 – 24:07+)

• Humility and bravery:
  • “For people to laugh at you… you’ve got to show vulnerability in the drama side. It’s quite brave to show yourself to be an idiot for people to laugh, and to be broken.” (21:23)
• Listening & timing:
  • Will: “In comedy, if ever there was a discipline… you really have to listen… there is almost a musicality to it." (21:41)
• On “comedy actors” doing drama:
  • “It’s odd how it’s easier to make the move from comedy to drama than the other.” (22:40)

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6. “The Roses”: New Film and British vs. American Comedy

(28:07 – 33:08)

• About “The Roses”:
  • Based on “War of the Roses,” written by Tony McNamara, with Benedict Cumberbatch.
  • “He’s slightly changed it a bit, so it’s called 'The Roses,' but that was definitely a big influence.” (28:31)
• Admiring US sitcoms / mutual influences:
  • Olivia: “We can sort of quote… all my friends, excuse me, adore American comedy. I find American comedy very sophisticated.” (30:28)
  • Will: “My favorite film of all time is Withnail and I… just the gold standard.” (30:34)
• Differences between British and American humor:
  • Jason: “British humor tends to sort of lean back… whereas we in America want to show it to you quicker. We’re a little more earnest, a little louder, a little more obvious.” (31:13)
  • Olivia: “That’s lovely of you… but I sort of feel that way about watching all of you perform." (31:49)

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7. Picking Roles, Career Choices, and Family

(32:45 – 36:46)

• On not being choosy early on:
  • “I think in the early years, not working very often was brilliant because it’s made me very grateful for work.” (32:48)
• Saying no, prioritizing home life:
  • “I’ve never been away from Ed (husband) more than two weeks… I get quite homesick.” (33:53)
• Parenthood:
  • Kids: “They all arrived nice. They were so nice when they turned up… all equally emotional and funny.” (35:13)
  • On eldest leaving for university: “I pre-grieved… every time he walked past, I’d burst into tears.” (35:58)
  • “Ed burst into tears and I went, ‘are you fucking kidding? We’ve got five hours in the car.’” (36:45)

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8. “Heartstopper,” Inclusivity, and On-Screen Parenting

(36:47 – 38:09)

• Sean praises Olivia’s role as a loving mom in "Heartstopper":
  • “That scene… you listening to your son come out and your reaction, that scene was so powerful.” (36:59)
  • Olivia: “It’s coming of age… I think just so beautifully written, it’s like the blueprint for… hopefully parents will reply in that way.” (37:31)
  • “Massive hit… often men over 40 get really teared up… thank you so much for that.” (37:42)

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9. Producing, On-Set Partnership & Filming "The Roses"

(38:10 – 40:13)

• Olivia’s husband, Ed, runs their production company.
• They produced "The Roses" with Benedict’s company (SunnyMarch).
• Filmed in the UK counties of Devon/Dorset, played English characters in America, supported by a star-studded comedic cast (Kate McKinnon, Andy Samberg, etc.)
• Directed by Jay Roach: “Poor thing, he was like herding cats.” (39:47)

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10. Playing The Queen – “The Crown”

(40:24 – 45:03)

• Landing the role:
  • Olivia watched and loved Claire Foy’s performance, was shocked to be asked: “I went, ‘absolutely, yes!’… I hadn’t really thought about the weight of what it would be.” (41:59, 42:34)
  • “To be fair, I had a huge tax bill that year—it really came at a good time.” (42:34)
• The challenge:
  • “Everyone knows what she looks like, what she sounds like… I started to regret my decision.” (43:10)
  • “I can’t walk posh… the director did shout, ‘more Queen, less farmer!’” (43:27)
• Day one nerves:
  • “That first time you open your mouth… I can watch back the first scene and tell I wasn’t…” (44:06)
  • “My knees were absolutely going up and down… I sounded really tight in the back of the skirt.” (44:27)

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11. Watching One’s Own Work & Handling Reviews

(45:03 – 47:02)

• Olivia doesn’t watch herself on set: “I think it would have unraveled me.” (45:48)
• Her husband filters reviews: “If anyone’s been mean, I don’t want to see it… you never remember the good bits, only the bad.” (46:25)

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12. More on “The Roses”, Improv & Comedic Collaborators

(50:03 – 53:10)

• On working with Kate McKinnon, Andy Samberg:
  • “Like a great big, intelligent human Labrador” (of Benedict Cumberbatch) (50:55)
  • Sets were full of laughter, hard for Jay Roach to keep order: “It was so hard to get through the day.” (51:39)
• Olivia and Benedict tend to stick to the script, unlike improvisers:
  • “Know your strengths, know your limits. I’m so thrilled to have seen them do what they do…” (52:51)

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13. “The Favourite”, Working with Yorgos Lanthimos

(53:10 – 56:07)

• “If he asks you, say yes. Please.” (53:25)
• She nearly missed out due to scheduling, but Yorgos waited: “He waited for me, which was… amazing. Love him forever for that.” (55:13)
• Yorgos’ rehearsal process: weeks of improv/theater games, bonding actors and breaking down inhibitions.

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14. Oscars and Accolades

(57:08 – 59:42)

• Memories of winning the Academy Award:
  • “Great speech, by the way.” – Sean (57:14)
  • Olivia jokes: “A couple of ibuprofen and coffee… kind of bonkers.” (57:36)
  • On carrying the Oscar in her hand luggage through security: “I didn’t want it to go in the hold in case they lost it—then it’s goodnight, Oscar!” (58:17)
  • Keeps her Oscar hidden at home: “It was in a cupboard in our sitting room… our lovely Darren (carpenter/handyman) opened the cupboard: ‘are you fucking kidding?’ So now I have it on a bookshelf but behind a book.” (59:03)

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15. Guilty Pleasures & Reality TV

(60:00 – 64:33)

• Olivia confesses her love for reality TV:
  • “I really love reality telly… Have you seen Too Hot to Handle?” (60:25)
  • Explains game mechanics gleefully: “A snog is two grand… it’s hilarious. It’s so funny.” (61:26)
  • The group bonds over their love of Mafia/Traitors, and talk about playing the game with kids and friends (63:01).

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16. Closing & Reflections

(64:33 – 67:17)

• Olivia: “I was incredibly nervous for the first half of this, my heart was going like mad.” (64:44)
• Will: “What an absolute thrill. What a huge, massive fan we all are of yours.” (64:36)
• The hosts continue to gush about Olivia’s joy and positivity, her career, and her bucolic life in the English countryside, ending with playful banter about words like “bucolic.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Olivia Colman: “For people to laugh at you… you’ve got to show vulnerability in the drama side. It’s quite brave to show yourself to be an idiot in front of people and for them to laugh — and to be broken.” [21:23]
• Will Arnett: “In comedy, if ever there was a discipline… you really have to listen… there is almost a musicality to it.” [21:41]
• Jason Bateman (about the Oscar): “You don’t want to check it in the luggage and put it in the hold, because if they lose it, then it’s good night, Oscar.” [58:17]
• Olivia Colman: (on reality TV) “Have you seen Too Hot to Handle? ...It’s all these really oversexed, incredibly hot, beautiful people who are on this island and… they’re not allowed to touch each other...It’s hilarious.” [60:34]
• Sean Hayes: “That scene that they used in the promo of you listening to your son come out and your reaction, that scene was so powerful… I wish everybody’s experience was like that.” [36:59]
• Olivia Colman (on playing the Queen): “I can’t walk posh… the director did shout, ‘more Queen, less farmer!’ as I was walking.” [43:27]

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment/Topic | Timestamp | |----------------------------------------------------|----------------| | Chit-chat & Banter | 03:07 – 08:36 | | Olivia Colman joins | 08:36 | | Comedy, Drama, Awards, First Roles | 11:11 – 17:14 | | Early Career and “Peep Show” | 17:14 – 21:03 | | Comedy vs. Drama, Craft Discussion | 21:03 – 24:07 | | "The Roses", British vs. American comedy | 28:07 – 33:08 | | Picking Roles & Parenthood | 32:45 – 36:46 | | "Heartstopper" & Parental Roles | 36:47 – 38:09 | | Producing, Ed, Filming “The Roses” | 38:10 – 40:13 | | Playing Queen Elizabeth II ("The Crown") | 40:24 – 45:03 | | Watching Own Work, Handling Reviews | 45:03 – 47:02 | | On-set Fun & Improv in “The Roses” | 50:03 – 53:10 | | “The Favourite” and Yorgos Lanthimos | 53:10 – 56:07 | | Oscary Story & Home Life | 57:08 – 59:42 | | Reality TV Guilty Pleasures and Mafia/Traitors | 60:14 – 64:33 | | Closing & Reflection | 64:33 – End |

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Final Thoughts

This episode is an engaging mix of humor, insight, and warmth. Olivia Colman’s humility and joy shine throughout—from her stories of awkward drama school days to Oscar night, her take on acting, parenting, and the simple pleasures of reality TV. The hosts’ admiration is genuine, and the balance between laughter and earnest craft discussion keeps things brisk and delightful for listeners—whether they’re longtime fans or getting to know Olivia Colman for the first time.

Transcript

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[C]

Good morning.

[A]

Good morning, Jason.

[B]

Good morning.

[C]

Or afternoon or wherever our listeners are.

[A]

Wherever we find you. Sure.

[B]

Does anybody have big plans today at all for anything?

[C]

I mean, I'm doing a pretty smoking podcast the next couple minutes. It's called Smartless. Oh, cue the music.

[A]

Smart, smart, smart.

[C]

Lettuce. How's Seattle, Will? How's Seattle? You're up there in Seattle visiting family or.

[A]

I'm doing a little thing tonight with. With our friend Ed Vetter. Tonight we're just doing like a little.

[C]

Is it Ed now?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

He's just growing up a little bit.

[A]

And Eddie and I are doing a little thing tonight. He's going to perform. He claims that. That I might help him sing a song on stage. That's not going to happen because he's.

[C]

Heard your impression of him.

[A]

No, he hasn't yet. And I plan on doing it. But he's. He was like, hey, do you want to. I'm going to, you know, what song do you want to hear? I was like, well, what song do you not want to play? And he was like, well, anything. I don't know. And I was like, well, I don't know what you don't know. And he goes, well, you get up here and you'll sing. Everybody likes to sing, right? And I'm like, no, Eddie, nobody wants to your music unless it's. I couldn't. You know what? It's. I couldn't love him more. He's up on that level of those dudes that I just absolutely adore. Include him. I include our friend William Pitt and William Bradley Pitt in that, whom I just adore.

[C]

I just have like massive mandal name down and everything. Do you know a sign?

[A]

I think it's exit, meaning get out of my face. They don't want me around. But that's okay.

[B]

Wait, do you remember when he was on and then afterwards he sent us all ukuleles or something. Remember that?

[A]

And he did. I know, yeah.

[B]

So nice.

[A]

He's such a class act. He's such a great dude. And anyway, so yeah, that's why I'm up here. I'm doing this thing tonight with him, which is. Which is going to be fun. I got my. My buddy Kutch is coming in from Calgary because he's such a fan. So I said, why don't you come and join? You can hang out. So Cutch, my buddy Dave McCutcheon, he's one of my oldest friends and his name is Kutch.

[C]

Oh, hey, Kutch.

[A]

Yeah. How's it going?

[C]

Is he a Dirty Flames fan?

[A]

No, he's from Calgary, but originally from Kenora, Ontario. Eh.

[C]

Oh, so that makes him a Dirty Leaf fan.

[A]

Yeah, actually.

[C]

Oh, yeah, we got room for the Leafs.

[A]

We got room for the Leafs.

[B]

It's a really catchy nickname.

[C]

You know what, Sean, Wait until the guest gets in here. Save some of that.

[A]

Anyway, so I'm up here, jb. When are we going to see you? Are we going to see you on the East Coast? Are you going to come to London to see Sean's play? That's the big question.

[C]

Of course I am.

[B]

Yeah. Isn't that nice?

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that they come to stay with you.

[C]

We're staying with you for like three or four days, aren't we, Seanie?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be.

[A]

Oh, that's fun.

[B]

It's gonna be super fun. So. Yeah, you know, go ahead, Willy.

[A]

No, you go.

[B]

No, just. I was. Jason reminded me of staying with me in the house. I was talking to a friend that said. We were talking about like grocery shopping. And once again. And he's like. I go, where can I get some good milk? And he's like, cow. And I was like, yeah, cow's milk. Did we talk about this? And I was like, it just sounded gross when he said it because I forgot that, you know, that's where like that milk comes out of a teat. Like is. I know now he meant like almond milk. Oat milk. I was like. Because I didn't think there's any other milk.

[C]

Anyway, let's just. Back, let's go to the very, very beginning of the grand story. When's the will. I'll just ask you, Will, when's the last time you approached somebody and asked them where you could get some good milk? Right. That was the question. Yeah. Not milk, just general.

[A]

But this is somebody, you know, not a stranger. Right?

[B]

This is correct.

[C]

Okay, because.

[A]

Because what was the context of like, were you guys mid conversation or was it. No, I was your opener.

[B]

No, we were. I was talking about. Because I'm like, where do we go grocery shopping?

[A]

Where.

[B]

Where's the new latest.

[A]

In London?

[B]

In London. Because I don't know what they. If they have like American stuff, like, what's the equivalent?

[C]

And you hear, good milk's hard to find.

[B]

Well, I didn't know. Yes, I want really good non fat milk.

[C]

Jesus.

[B]

Anyway, let's get to the gas.

[C]

You really know. We're not getting there. We're going to stay here for a minute until we knock it out of you.

[A]

Sean, you asked somebody where, where in London you get.

[C]

It's a real challenge to find some good non fat cow milk, honestly.

[A]

And I love you and I know a lot of people, but honestly. What the are you talking about?

[B]

I drink it every day because I don't. I don't know. We don't really drink soda anymore.

[A]

Well, I tell you what, it's a good segue because our guests might be able to help you locate some good milk in England. Yeah.

[C]

When it comes to finding good teats.

[A]

Yeah. She, she. Well.

[C]

Oh, no, she lives here.

[A]

Sorry. Yeah, take that back. You don't want to take it back. Also because she's a really classy guest. You're really going to.

[C]

Sean, you put me up to that.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

It's a phenomenal guest that we have today and she hails from London. She lives in London. She's an Academy Award winner, three nominations. Three time Golden Globe winner, seven nominations. Taking home two Emmys out of five nominations. You might remember her from her turn in Confetti or as the hairdresser in I Could Never Be youe Woman.

[C]

He's trying to throw us off.

[A]

Or even as ian's mother in 2005's One Day. I remember her from one of my all time favorite TV shows, Broadchurch. Like the Father for which she was nominated for an Academy Award. And of course the favorite for which she won an Academy Award. She has a new filman called the Roses which she co stars Benedict Cumberbatch. Comes out October 29th. Give it up for a huge welcome. Olivia Coleman.

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Hi.

[C]

This is a real pleasure, right? Real pleasure.

[A]

Hi, guys. Hello.

[B]

Good morning.

[A]

Hello, hello.

[D]

Oh, it's so nice to be here.

[B]

Look how bright and cheery you are.

[D]

I know this is very sunny here.

[C]

Really classing up Will's list. Will's list was really starting to sink a little bit. But you really buoyed it.

[A]

I needed to turn it around.

[D]

And thanks for the teats comment.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

Well, I retract that with all apologies. But do you know where to find good non fat milk there?

[D]

I know some excellent teats in London. Yes.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Don't you worry.

[B]

Good, good.

[C]

Are you in London right now?

[D]

No, I've. I'm out in the countryside in the States. Oh, great.

[A]

Lovely.

[B]

Oh, great.

[C]

Yeah, lovely.

[D]

Really nice.

[C]

But you do live in England full time?

[D]

I do, yes.

[C]

Lucky.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Do you like it?

[B]

Do you love it? I love it.

[C]

My Mother's British, so I've always sort of had an affinity for it, but I've never spent the amount of time you think I would, being a son of. But every time I.

[D]

Where's she from?

[C]

Shrewsbury.

[D]

Oh, nice. Very nice. Lovely.

[A]

Jb, do you ever consider getting your UK passport?

[C]

I haven't. Should I? Are things. What have you heard about America Is something.

[D]

No, all good things. All good things.

[A]

Look out the window. Don't look out the window.

[C]

I don't get much here in the hostage cell.

[A]

Yes, we're all big fans. We all love England. We spend time there. Sean's on his way there in a couple days.

[D]

Tomorrow.

[A]

Yeah, I heard for a while.

[D]

I'm going to come and see.

[A]

You should.

[C]

This guy can play piano. Watch out. Get ready to be impressed.

[A]

So, Olivia Colman. You know, it's funny, I went through your awards that you've won in nominations. You've got, like. You've been nominated for, like. I think it was, like, 156 international acting awards and you've won, like, 65. Did you not know this?

[D]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Congratulations, you won.

[D]

Thanks.

[A]

But what's staggering is, is the breadth of your work, which is. And by that I mean not the actual amount, but the actual, you know, that you've done comedy, you've done drama and everything in between, and it's really remarkable how you're able to sort of go back and forth between the two. So my first question to you is, do you, at your heart, consider yourself to be a comedic actor? Do you consider yourself to be a dramatic actor or none of the above?

[D]

A little bit of all of it, sure. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's funny talking to all of you guys about it, because you.

[A]

All know.

[D]

My first work was in comedy and I loved it. And sometimes you just need someone to take a punt to give you a chance to do the other thing. Comedy has my heart because that's where I got work. But I always wanted to do something dramatic and I was so pleased with.

[B]

What was that punt? What was that punt you're talking about? What was the first.

[D]

It was. Paddy Consid gave me the chance to do a film called Tyrannosaur.

[B]

Oh, great.

[D]

It started as a short film and then he. Then he decided he wanted to know what happened to these characters and made it a longer film.

[C]

That was What? What was that? That was a. I want to say, 20 years ago. Longer.

[D]

Yeah. I think we filmed it in 2011.

[A]

Okay, 2011. And it was A huge. And it was like a big Sundance hit, wasn't it? It was a huge. I mean, it was like. It made a lot of waves. It was a. You know, you.

[D]

Well, it sort of. At the time, yeah, Sundance loved it, which makes me love Sundance very much. And then. And then it sort of built as the years went by. So now film lovers have seen it, but at the time, it was. It was quite a slow burn, I think.

[C]

Right, but you didn't. You didn't just get incredible 20 years ago. You know, like, I imagine that there's been a real. You're just. You're such a special, magical actor. I mean, that. That is why you can do comedy and drama so well is because it doesn't ever seem like you're asking for a laugh. You're never doing a comedy. You're playing a character that is eccentric or whatever, such that it makes us all sort of giggle and then the same for drama. So when.

[D]

This is nice, I'm loving this.

[C]

Well, you don't like this question?

[D]

I'm very shallow. This is great.

[C]

You know. You know, like, when did you realize that you were special? And I know that that takes admitting that you think that you don't suck, but you're allowed to admit that you don't suck. And when did it start? Was it acting school? Did somebody tell you you're great? Or did you see yourself do something and go, oh, that works for you.

[A]

I can do this.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, do you all remember the moment when you went, okay, don't suck?

[C]

Right?

[B]

No, I did.

[C]

Yes. I don't.

[D]

You do.

[A]

Wait, Sean, you had a moment where you thought you didn'? Many of them.

[B]

I'm like, oh, my God. No. My first one was. My first one was really just really quick, and then maybe.

[A]

It'll be great to have you on the show, Sean.

[B]

Thank you so much.

[A]

Welcome.

[B]

No, I remember, like, the pilot of this show. I did Will and Grace for many, many years, and we love this show.

[A]

It's so complicated.

[B]

That's actually not the opposite of complicated.

[A]

She's gay. They're gay.

[C]

Wait, it was the pilot. Shawnee.

[B]

It was the pilot that I didn't really. I'd never done a TV show, so it was like a pilot. And I walked in not knowing how cameras were anything, right? And I walked in and I got a laugh on. Just like some benign line like, hey, Will, can I borrow your blank? Or I don't know what it was. And people laughed. I'm like, in my Head. I'm like, why are they laughing? I just said something. And then at the end of the pilot that night, this first assistant director came up to me and she was like, you know, she was like, you're great. You're amazing. I'm like, really? Like, I didn't understand any of it.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It does take hearing it from the outside, doesn't it? I mean, Olivia, was there a moment there where somebody. I mean, sometimes it's a parent, you know, that goes, hey, you know, you've done good. Or a teacher. Or was it. Do you remember? Was there a moment like that?

[D]

Yeah, maybe my. I did my first ever school play when I was 16.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And that's the first time I'd done any acting. And, yeah, I've got to say, I really enjoyed.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Afterwards, people clapping. That was brilliant.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

At that age, too. That's such a tricky age where you're, you're, you're, you're, you're. You're sort of. You're just coming.

[D]

I'm so at everything. So rubbish. Finally thought, oh. And my mum and dad, who just couldn't really speak afterwards, went, oh, fuck. I thought, oh, I think that's a good thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's interesting.

[A]

I know it's very English to not want to, you know, sort of pat yourself on the back. And I get it. But there are those moments that you have, there's undeniable where you go, like, yeah, okay, I was kind of. JB I remember when we were doing Arrested Development 20 years ago. Over 20 years ago. And remember that there was a guy, one of the first editors. And I remember you and I were walking and he came down the stairs. You and I were on the. On the old Culver lot. And he said, do you remember that guy? And he came over and he goes, guys, I've been cutting the show and had it aired, we'd only made, like, three episodes. And he was like, guys, this show is really funny. We're like, really?

[B]

I know. You never know.

[A]

We had no idea because we were in a vacuum.

[B]

And he's like, I remember doing a Twelfth Night. The Shakespeare played Twelfth Night in Olivia.

[C]

We're going to be to you in one second.

[B]

Yeah. No, because I want to know about your high school experience, the play that you said you had a response to. And I didn't know what. I didn't understand what I was saying. It's Shakespeare. Literally, Shakespeare. And I got a laugh on some. I'm like, why are they laughing? And I was 16 years old same thing. But what was yours?

[D]

Oh, the prime of Ms. Jean Brodie, obviously didn't have a clue what it meant at the time.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

And looking back now, it was all sort of about fascism. And.

[C]

And so at that age, that's the age where you start to think about college. Right. And picking a career. And so it was kind of timely that you kind of got this pat on the back. And did you then, at that moment, choose, this is the direction I'm going to go?

[D]

Well, I sort of. I never really admitted it to anyone out loud, but in my head I thought, I wonder if I'm allowed to be an actor, because I didn't come from that, you know, So I didn't know. Yeah. And so I didn't tell. I went off to teach a training college, which I left after a term and then worked as a cleaner for a long time and still sort of secretly thinking, I really want to try the acting thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What did you teach in the.

[A]

But you went to Bristol. Sorry, you went to Old Vic Theory School, though.

[D]

Yeah, Bristol Vic afterwards. Yes. So, yes, I went to the teacher training college where I met my husband, who was at the university. And we were 20, we were doing a play then, and I walked into the rehearsal room and saw him and got thunderbolts. And then we did a play together and he was doing law, but was sort of didn't really like it. And then I said, run away with me and we'll go and be artists and join the circus. And so he did. He finished his degree because he's, you know, proper clever.

[C]

And then. What was that first. What was that first job or moment where you go, okay, this. This is. This is something. I think I'm gonna be able to make a living at this.

[D]

Well, we went to drama school. He got in first, and then I got in the year after and we did drama school together. And then I got a job just before my last term, which was a sketch show. And I don't think it was particularly great. I wasn't very particularly good in it. But the fact that I'd got a job, I was so excited. And then I felt like I'd earned some money and I could actually put actor on my passport.

[A]

Yeah, that's cool.

[D]

Yeah, it was exciting.

[A]

And then not long after that. When did Peepshow come into your world?

[D]

Peepshow, yeah. Not long after that.

[B]

Peep show is great.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, thanks. Yeah.

[A]

So good. So good.

[D]

Oh, I love it when people love Peep show.

[B]

I love that show.

[D]

It's so Rob and David, who I'd met when I'd left my teacher training college. Rob Webb, David Mitchell.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

They had spent the interim time writing and working hard. And then they met Sam and Jesse, who wrote Peep Show. Sam Bain, Jesse Armstrong and.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And they said, we need a woman. And they went, oh, our mate Collie, we could try her. And it was great. And I was called into the BBC for an audition. I was so excited and I couldn't work out why. And excited, not nervous. And they'd also. Yeah, so nervous.

[C]

Yeah, so nervous.

[D]

They'd also got me in for the sketch show, which was.

[A]

Did you. Did you did that? It must have helped sort of shape your. Sort of your comedic point of view a little bit working on that show with those guys.

[D]

Yeah. And I mean, I couldn't write for shit if Ogund was to my head. I couldn't write anything funny, but they can. And so they sort of make it easy. We say their words and, you know, you appear to be funny, which was.

[A]

Nice, I would imagine, working in that environment with those guys, you know, and you with your talent and working for the. I know it's not to embarrass you. These are just facts, Olivia. So you have to accept them. Okay, so we have to. But taking that. And I think working in that way with those guys who are so funny and you're so funny. And as you guys developed that show and worked on Peep show over the years, I wonder if that sort of. That spontaneity and that ability to work in comedy helped you later on as you sort of gravitated towards more dramatic roles.

[D]

Yeah, maybe. I think. And I don't know how you feel about it, you have to sort of be. Have an enormous dollop of humility, I think, to be able to. For people to laugh at you and.

[C]

With you, you gotta really pull your pants, don't you?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Okay, I'll do it.

[D]

Some people aren't.

[A]

No, no, no, Sean, wait.

[D]

I think some people aren't comfortable with it and I think that helps with. You've got to show vulnerability in the drama side and maybe because. Quite brave to show yourself to be an idiot in front of people and for them to laugh and to be broken.

[A]

Yeah, it is. And to be broken, but also because as you know, so much, you know, timing plays a big part of it in comedy. Right. And so when you. And you really have to. In comedy for the most, you really have to listen. I mean, if ever there was a discipline, you know, an area in Our world that you have to listen is comedy, because you have to. It's so important to be able to land stuff. And so that if you bring that into dramatic work, you know, you are really listening and you really understand rhythm. There is a sort of almost a musicality to it, you know?

[D]

Yeah, totally. You're explaining it really well. Yeah.

[B]

Done. Yeah.

[A]

First time. First time I've done it. Right.

[B]

I'm always surprised that people are still shocked when people in comedy can do drama. It's like.

[D]

I know.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

What?

[B]

It's like. Well, what do you. Where does it come from?

[C]

It doesn't work the other way, though, does it?

[D]

Yeah, no, it doesn't. Well, often it doesn't. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, obviously, plenty can. But it is odd how it's easier to make the move from comedy to drama than the other.

[A]

I think that it does have something to do with that rhythm and that listening and all that stuff and being present, like you're forced to. Oh, look, somebody's just delivering.

[D]

Sorry. My husband's just brought me a massive gin and tonic.

[C]

There we go.

[B]

That's great.

[D]

It's that time of the evening.

[A]

It is massive. I just want.

[D]

Hi. Sorry.

[C]

That's Ed. That's Ed, the bartender. Thanks, Ed.

[B]

Thanks, Ed.

[C]

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[B]

And now back to the show.

[C]

Didn't I just see a trailer for. There's a. You've got a. You've got a hilarious comedy coming out.

[D]

Excellent segue.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

But what is it? I want to say it's like War of the Roses. Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yes. Is that what it was?

[A]

It was in my introduction, Jason. You see, you weren't present and listening.

[B]

Wait, I wasn't.

[C]

Maybe I was busy clapping too. Busy trying to guess this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, wait. Is it War of the Roses?

[D]

Yeah. So. Well, that was a jumping off point.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

So, yes. You know Tony McNamara. Amazing Tony McNamara, writer. He has loved War of the Roses, as we all did, and he's slightly changed it a bit, so it's called the Roses, but that was definitely a big influence.

[C]

Gotcha. Gotcha.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

And who's the fella?

[D]

Benedict Cumberbatch.

[B]

Oh, that's great.

[C]

That part I remember. Yeah. I remember something. Hearing about Cumberbatch in your.

[B]

You probably heard this all the time. Americans, I think a lot of us were so. And are still enamored with British comedy. Right. And the.

[D]

That's the case.

[B]

Even the most crass, vulgar, like, sketch shows or comedy shows that come out of. There's still, like, a sophistication to the crass. You know what I mean? There's still, like, a slickness to it.

[A]

Sorry. A little Subtlety. He's getting too. He always gets to. He wants to know your views on Benny Hill. Go ahead, John.

[B]

No, no, but there is. There is. So who growing up, made you go, like, was there anybody you'd watched on the telly or the movies that you were like, oh, that's really interesting.

[D]

Well, I think it works the other way, too. I mean, we. I'm obsessed with American comedy, and on Channel 4 here every morning, we have Cheers and Frasier and King of Queens and Everybody Loves Raymond, all those lovely comedies that I remember.

[B]

Any others? Or.

[D]

Will and Grace.

[A]

Oh, shit.

[B]

Oh, shit.

[A]

Only the good ones. Only the good ones.

[D]

But literally. And Friends and Arrested Development and, you know, and we are all. We can sort of quote most of, you know, all my friends, excuse me, adore American comedy. And I find American comedy very sophisticated.

[A]

It's so funny. We all sort of look longingly. I've always. My favorite film of all time is with Nell and I. And I've said it a million times.

[D]

Oh, my God, yes, That's fantastic.

[A]

And to me, it is the gold standard of. Because it's not just a comedy, it's quite dramatic. Everything about it is so perfect. And I just find it so hard to believe that somebody can make something like that here.

[C]

Hard to believe that I have still not seen it. I'm putting it right in right now.

[B]

Say it again.

[D]

It's such a treat. I'm so jealous that you haven't seen it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

What's the title again?

[A]

With Nail and Eye.

[D]

With Nail and Eye.

[A]

It's the most perfect film. Richard E. Grant, Bruce Robinson, wrote and directed. Amazing. Yeah, yeah, amazing.

[B]

Like with. With. Like. With a nail. Like with.

[A]

Oh, God, this is so embarrassing. It's the guy's name, okay?

[B]

But that's why I asked.

[A]

It's his name.

[C]

It's. It's a fair question. Sean. I've got you. I've got you.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

You're quite right. I don't know. There's something. But. But there is. Like, British humor tends to be to sort of lean back just a little bit and let you kind of discover it. Whereas I think we in America, along with everything, we kind of want to show it to you a little bit quicker than you might see it. You know, we're a little bit more earnest, a little louder, a little more obvious, I find is the difference. And I kind of like having to lean in to find it a little bit more. I love that. The dryness and the no winking of British humor so much.

[D]

I Think that's lovely of you, but I do sort of feel that way about watching all of you perform, you know.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. There's. Yeah.

[A]

I wonder, you know, I listed off your credits and I'm such a fan of so many of these things. First of all, you know, Broadchurch, again, that's an example of a show that is like the gold standard to me. I mean, if every show could. Every once in a while, I look, you know, I go onto one of my streaming services that I subscribe to and go, like, is there Brit Box? Is there a way. Yeah, Brit Box. Is there a way that there's a new series of Broadchurch and I've just missed it and now it's gonna be on and. No, there's not, because I love. But you've done so many things, and I think once in an interview, you said you don't really. That you're. Did you say that you're bad at choosing jobs? You just kind of do the next job that comes along. That can't possibly be true.

[D]

Well, I feel guilty saying no.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And I think in the early years, you know, not working very often was actually brilliant because it's made me very grateful for work.

[A]

Same, same, same, same.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And I think it's better that way round than doing really well straight away, I think.

[C]

But you've had to sharpen your scissors a bit. Right. Because I imagine you get a ton of offers and submissions and scripts to read and incoming calls because of all the obvious reasons. So you can't possibly say yes to everything. And so your picker does need to become somewhat refined. Yeah. And is there something that you really look for that that starts to have you lean one particular way? Is it. Is it character? Is it script? Is it director, co star? Location, location?

[D]

I don't know.

[B]

Right near home.

[D]

I'm getting slightly better at saying no because I. I want to be at home a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Up until Covid, I had never been away from Ed for longer than two weeks.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Which in our world is quite unusual.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

We take jobs away from home and I made sure I got back.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Because I get quite homesick and.

[A]

And you've got. And you've got a family. You've got three. You've also managed to somehow have three kids in there as well. That's cool.

[D]

And they're really nice.

[A]

Yeah. I bet that's the best, right?

[C]

It is, sort of. I was talking with a friend about this last night. You know, you could be a great parent, but it's Still. You're just still crossing your fingers that you get good ones because it's not really in your control. You can move your kid just a little bit.

[D]

Right.

[C]

We've talked about it in the show before in this nature versus nurture. What's your experience been like with that? You've got a great sample. There were three. How you never get two of the same. So now you've got three there. Are they wildly different? They must be.

[D]

Well, two are boys, one's a girl.

[C]

That's a good start.

[D]

So it's a bit of difference there, but also not really, you know. No, no. And I feel when people talk about difference between genders, I sort of. I don't really see it between them. They all arrived nice. They were so nice when they turned up.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And they're all equally emotional and funny.

[C]

How old are they?

[D]

So nearly 20, nearly 18 and nearly 10. So there was a bit of a gap.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

We were home and dry and went back in, had another.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good. Good for you. Yeah, we are.

[C]

So is that. Sorry. Willie is the eldest out of the house yet. Is the second eldest about to go out? Cause I'm dealing with that in our house and it's just like, oh, God.

[D]

Empty nesting. It's heartbreaking. I. Yeah. So our big one is in his second year of uni.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

And second one is literally. Did his last A level today. So he's at the beach now with his friends.

[A]

How'd it go?

[C]

Celebrating?

[D]

He said it was good.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Which is words that never came out of my mouth after an exam. And, yeah, the eldest one, when he was about to go to uni. So we knew for a year, obviously, he was going to go to uni. And I pre. Grieved. And every time he walked past me, I'd burst into tears. And I just imagined him going, whoosh. Back to being a baby in my arms. And he was so sweet. He would just give me a cuddle. He just knew I needed it. And then my husband was going, he'll be great. It's exciting. This is what you want for them. And then on the day that we were driving him to Unique, our youngest came out of the gate and watched us drive down the road and just stood there waving. And Ed burst into tears and I went, are you fucking kidding? We've got five hours in the car.

[C]

Pull it together.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You know, speaking of being a good mom, you and Heartstopper like, aye, aye, ay, ay, yai. Like, I wish my mom at the time she turned around was great when I came out.

[D]

Good.

[B]

But that scene that they used in the promo of you listening to your son come out and your response and your reaction, that scene was so powerful. It's just incredible. And I wish everybody's experience was like that.

[A]

Sean, give me a little bit of context. What's the context?

[B]

So Heartstopper was about a lot of things, but it was. Olivia played the mom of a kid who came out of the closet and his journey in high school and all of that stuff.

[D]

Yeah, it's beautiful.

[B]

It's coming of age.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. And I think just so beautifully written is like the blueprint for, you know, hopefully parents will reply in that way.

[B]

And a huge hit. Massive hit.

[D]

Yeah, huge hit. People have really loved it. That's been a lovely response, actually. Whenever anyone. Often men over the age of 40, you know, get really teared up and go, thank you so much for that.

[B]

I wish. I wish it was that really nice. That nice when we were all coming out in the 80s.

[C]

But anyway, how are you able to keep your two week thing going with as much work you did away from England? You haven't.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is Ed able to come with you? Is he able to. Does he do something that he can do remotely?

[D]

We do try to do that, yes. So he is a writer and we have a production company and he sort of runs that. I am useless in that.

[A]

And you guys produced. You produced the Roses, you and Ed, right?

[D]

Ed did, yeah.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay.

[D]

Ed and Sonny March. That's Benedict's company. Yeah, and Fox Searchlight and.

[B]

Yeah, can't wait to see.

[D]

But not me. I'm called an EP on it, but I did absolutely fuck all.

[C]

You get a fee. What about. Did you. Where'd you shoot that? In England or out here?

[D]

No, in England. We were. Our characters live in America. But we did, Forgive me, UK for getting Devon and Dorset in a muddle. I mean, that's sacrilege. But we filmed in one of those and it was very beautiful. I've done it.

[A]

Really?

[D]

I'm gonna have to come over and live in America with you.

[C]

Wait, I missed that. What'd you say?

[D]

I just got two counties in a muddle and they'll get really upset by that.

[C]

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Gotcha, gotcha. Oh, wait, so then you both play. You're both British actors. You played Americans.

[D]

No, we played English because they thought, I think Tony liked the idea of our Englishness in America and.

[C]

Oh, got you, got you.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

And the way we properly Slag each other off. And the incredible American cast, by the way. Kate McKinnon, Andy Sandberg, Zoe Chow.

[C]

That was great.

[D]

Yeah, amazing. Sunita Mani, just brilliant.

[C]

Who directed the film?

[D]

Jay Roach.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Jay Roach, Yeah, I love him.

[D]

Yeah, lovely. Oh, my God. Poor thing, he was like herding cat.

[A]

This is kind of like an all star. This is an all star movie. All star director, all star cast is August 29th.

[C]

I'm just giving.

[A]

Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all realize it's a business at the end of the day. Listen, you may have got.

[D]

Come to the premiere, come to New York.

[A]

We're definitely going to come to the premier.

[D]

Will you?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, we'll save tonics in the flesh.

[C]

How do you like that part of it? Doing the, doing the chat and giggle tour and doing the talk shows and things like, and stuff like this, like is. Does it come naturally? It's never really. To me, I, I. Do you like it? Do you enjoy it?

[A]

No.

[D]

There's no point lying. I don't.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[D]

Did Michelle Pfeiffer named Dropsay? She does the film for free. It's the press they pay her for. Is that why I kind of feel the same.

[A]

I love Michelle Pfeiffer. I was gonna say you mixed up two English counties for which you may never be forgiven. However, you've got so much credit. You've built up so much credit because you play arguably the most iconic English person of all time. When you played the Queen in the Crown and I gotta ask.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I just wanna know the weight. First of all, you were so. Sean. No, sorry, it's not this show. It's not the Queen that you're thinking of.

[B]

Oh, it's the sequel to Heartstopper.

[A]

Yeah. No, it's not.

[B]

It's not that Queen got it.

[A]

No, it's not. Oh, my God, you're here. It's, it's. What are you wearing? How very dare you? No, it's. You must have been. When. How did. Well, a couple questions. How did that come into your world? How did that offer come around and when you got it? And the weight of playing the Queen. I wanna know what she's an English person.

[B]

What you felt when you got the offer. Like, wait, what?

[A]

All of that.

[D]

Well, I've been watching Claire Foy. They'd advertised it so, so much here, you know, big posters everywhere and, and everyone loved it, which made me go, I'm not going to watch it. I don't want to be pushed into.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I like to Discover things.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah. But then, of course, I watched it and absolutely loved it. I was obsessed with Claire Foy. And then my agent called me once when I was driving and said, they'd like to see you for. She called, she said, the crown. No, she said, the Queen. That's it. And I went, oh, the play. Oh. And she said, no, no, the telly. What's it called? Oh, it's a crown. Are you kidding? And I went, absolutely, yes. She went, oh, you should think about it. No, no, it's yes. And they said, absolutely yes. And I hadn't really thought about the weight of what it would be.

[B]

So you just. You're like, I'm all in.

[D]

I was so excited. Also, to be fair, I had a huge tax bill as well, that year. Really came at a good time.

[C]

After they saw the cut, or.

[A]

I thought you were gonna say. I thought you were gonna say, to be fair, I just had a huge gin and tonic, which I'm like.

[D]

I mean, that's often the case when I say, yes, of course, of course.

[A]

So I was driving, right. So it was a smaller gin and tonic. So when you. So you get this. So your agent calls and says. And you say yes straight away. Okay, great. Okay, fantastic. Now there's the lead up, whatever it is, the months leading up to doing it, and you've gotta get your head around playing the Queen. So you go in and you meet.

[D]

Yeah. I did start to regret my decision a bit because I thought, oh, actually, this is massive. And. Yeah. And everyone knows what she looks like. Everyone knows what she sounds like. And.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. And I did start to go, oh, fuck, I shouldn't have done this. Also, I can't walk posh.

[C]

You can't walk posh?

[A]

No.

[B]

Is there a walk? Is there a posh walk?

[D]

Yeah, I walk like a farmer. And the director did shout out. He's not pleased that I keep my reminding him of this, but he did say, more Queen, less farmer, as I was walking.

[C]

Take your flats off and the heels on.

[B]

Oh, that's funny.

[A]

Wait a second. Wait a. I love that so much. So you get there and then it's day one. We've asked this before, which is like that. That. That moment when you. When you're going to do your first take on. And you're rolling for the first time and like.

[D]

Oh, God, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And you've got to. And like. Okay, I'm now about to.

[D]

I know that first time you open your mouth and you can sense everyone going, oh, my God.

[A]

And everybody's Watching.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Video Village, whatever it is. Oh, really? Let's see her version of the Queen. You know what I mean?

[D]

And I can watch back that first scene I did, and I can tell that I wasn't.

[A]

Talk about it, talk about it, talk about it.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

But it was that. I think they did try to do things chronologically, so it was my. The stamp reveal when they update our stamps as the monarch ages. And so they went from Claire Foy's face, beautiful young Claire Foy, to me. And I really felt incredibly nervous. I think I had a skirt below my knees, but my knees were absolutely going up and down. You know that wobbly knee thing. Yeah. And I sounded quite. It was really quite tight in the back of the skirt.

[A]

I wonder if that worked, though. I wonder if that worked.

[D]

Like, maybe I don't ever look either. I don't want to know. And people might have been writing and going, what the fuck? Why is she doing it?

[C]

All right, so then, two questions. So it does sound like yes, is the answer to the first one, which is, do you watch, you know, playback on set, or once the job is done.

[D]

Not on set.

[A]

No, you can't.

[C]

So once it's.

[D]

I think it takes too much time. I just want to get the day done.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Well, but. Exactly. But maybe once they. Once they've moved on, you know, they're setting up the next shot. I've always found that it's helpful for me to look at, like, just the first couple of days to see if I'm wildly off track or not. Right. To see how it's kind of coming across. But you don't. So you wait. You wait until it's all done, and then.

[D]

I didn't really want to on that first day. I think I would have unraveled.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Sort of say, oh, I just gotta keep going. It's gonna get better. I'll relax as we go.

[C]

Right. And then once it's done.

[A]

Jb. So, jb, you're watching. You're watching. First couple days, you're watching dailies or you're watching Paybacks.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

To see either. Both.

[A]

Really?

[C]

Yeah. Just to see if I'm kind of in the same movie. Like, dailies, I'll see scenes that I wasn't on the set for to see if I'm in the same tone, the same project as they are.

[D]

Oh, that's a good idea.

[C]

But then once it's out. Do you not look at reviews?

[D]

Well, my husband will show me if it's a good one.

[C]

Gotcha.

[D]

And if anyone's been mean, I don't wanna see it.

[C]

Gotcha.

[D]

Because then that's all you think about. You never remember the good bits, you remember the bad bits that people are.

[C]

Saying, I know, I know. But I always struggle with like, well, but we're making this for the public and it'd be helpful to see if what I think is working works for the masses. Right. Because you are looking for a consensus.

[D]

But don't you ask someone else, a trusted friend to look for you?

[A]

Yeah, but also you are making it for public consumption. But I'm not making it for them. I'm making. I always think like I'm making it for.

[D]

Yeah, you have to want to watch it, don't you?

[C]

It's tricky.

[D]

Yeah, it is tricky.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

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[C]

All right, back to the show.

[A]

So you were talking about this great cast that you worked with on the roses and Kate McKinnon, and well done.

[D]

You're very good at bringing it back around.

[A]

I'm not just doing it for. Well, you know. I'm one of the worst interviewers on the planet. You can do the whole. Sean was nominated once. When we first started, Sean was nominated for best interviewer, and Jason and I were snubbed, furious.

[D]

This is why you're all in separate rooms.

[A]

Yeah. We can't be together.

[D]

You can't be together.

[A]

This is why I went to Seattle.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I was gonna say, with those great people, was there a lot of. There must have been a lot of fun because Kate McKinnon and Andy in particular, so funny and such great improvisers.

[C]

And Benedict seems wonderful. Right.

[A]

I don't know Benedict at all.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Just a tiny bit. I just only met him a couple times. But he seems to have an incredibly good sense of humor.

[D]

Really does. And just so enthusiastic.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And like a great big, intelligent human Labrador.

[A]

I saw him once repacking his suitcase in the. In the lobby of the Greenwich Hotel. That's the only time ever I didn't say hi. Cause he looked like he was really. He's really trying to jam something in. This is a true story. He's really trying to change, you know, in that little part right there between the restaurant and the thing. Yeah.

[C]

Wasn't he mumbling something like. No, the dogs will smell it here.

[A]

I got to get rid of.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I should have just swallowed it. I should have just swallowed it. But it must have been. It must have been a lot of laughs on, like, a lot of improvising.

[D]

And there were some scenes where we all together, like a dinner table scene. And it was so hard to get through the day.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And I really felt for poor Jay Roach, just. No.

[C]

Yeah. And the crew waiting for you guys to finish giggling.

[D]

I know. To stop finding ourselves so funny.

[C]

I know. Well, did the. I've worked with some really incredible actors that are great at improvising and coming up with alternate jokes and stuff.

[A]

Thanks, man.

[C]

It made me go back to my dressing room in between setups and try to catch up and look at my scene and try to come up with other lines so that I was being as sort of. Sort of creative as they are. Did you find that kind of. Not pressure? It's not like a bad thing, I.

[D]

Think, because I've never written comedy. And we were talking about this, Benedict and I, we're very much. Tony McNamara's written it, and our job is to do the script. And then we're sort of fairly boring of us. But then you're in the. You know, in a room with Andy Samberg and Kate McKinnon, for example, and you go, oh, fuck. I mean, I can't do that. I don't think I can do that.

[C]

Which is also fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And I think. Know your strengths, know your limits.

[C]

Exactly.

[D]

And I'm so thrilled to have seen them do what they do. So, you know, SNL alumni and.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So fast.

[D]

Did I say the right way around?

[A]

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Snl. Yeah. Yeah. Can we change lanes for a second? Just talk about the favorite for a minute. It was such a brilliant film. Oh, that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

How did that come into your world?

[D]

I think it was because I'd done the lobster with your ghost, Lanthimos.

[B]

I love him.

[C]

What a filmmaker he is. My goodness.

[D]

Oh, my God, he's amazing. If he asks you, say yes, please.

[C]

I'd pull cable on his set so you can.

[A]

Oh, Jason emails him every day. Every day, Jason emails him.

[C]

Yeah. I think I might not have the right address.

[A]

Still alive. No. So, right. So you did the lobster. So then the favorite comes along. God, that film is remarkable.

[D]

Oh, my God. And I read the script, and I love. You know, when you get proper, sometimes you go, I think I like it. But this one, you go, oh, my God. I could potentially try and run someone over if they were up for the same job. You know, I Want it so much.

[C]

Right. Because that is so clear on the page what a. What a colorful character that is. You must have, like. I would imagine your only challenge was, what version of color should I do on this character? Cause it was just. It's just so spicy. Right?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Or was it clear to you right from the beginning?

[D]

Yeah, sort. Yeah, it was so, you know, clear on the page, I thought. Also, some actor friends of mine, they read a script, and they read it as one thing, and then they read it again in another way, and they read it again. They see all this, and I've never had that. And I sort of, you know, when they talk about their. Their way of doing things, like, I panic, think, oh, God, I think I'm a very simple person. I just can't really.

[B]

I know what you mean.

[D]

And so that. That reading the favorite, I thought, oh, God, I can picture exactly. I. I really want to do it. And then I was doing Broadchurch, I think, the third season, and I couldn't fit it in. And I sort of. You know that lump in your throat when you go, I'm not available. And he said, okay, well, we'll wait. It was amazing.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Wow. So he waited for me, which was.

[A]

I mean, what a vote of confidence.

[D]

Oh, God, love him forever for that.

[C]

Did you. When was the first time you gave him, like, a little taste of the character? Was that scary? Like, were you sitting around a table? Were you guys practicing?

[D]

Well. Cause he did. He. He. He's from theater background, and he does. We did, I think, three weeks of rehearsal.

[C]

Oh, great.

[A]

What a luxury.

[D]

I know.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

It makes for a better product.

[D]

Yeah. Also, he does it with sort of theater games. So you might do. He loves to do the whole script from start to finish, but without maybe saying it. You might go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, in the sort of gist of what you're saying, and you all just go, blah, blah, blah, blah, to each other and get through the whole story. Or you do it all holding hands and you're tying yourselves in a massive knot. So you end up with your face near someone's bum and someone's foot in your armpit. And so you end up with no inhibitions, pissing yourselves, laughing together.

[A]

Right.

[D]

So you start your first day on set. You know the film inside out, you know each other. You're totally at ease with each other. I've never done anything like it. It was amazing. It was lovely.

[B]

It's the best. It's, like, astonishing that not every director does that. It's it's like, don't you want the whole cast to feel like they know each other and, like there's history there? Otherwise, it's like, hi, nice to meet you. Ready to go? Well, I don't know. We haven't had dinner together.

[D]

Sex scene, huh?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, I don't understand why it's not always like that. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, I'd love to know more about that. Yeah. That whole rehearsal process, that's amazing.

[D]

It was really nice.

[B]

Jason's gonna come in London. Go ahead.

[D]

Oh, yeah, we'll all come. We'll all come to your rehearsals.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good idea. That's a good idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's do that and do the games and do the stuff so that Jason's face ends up near Sean's bum.

[C]

There we go.

[B]

For a second time. Wait, Olivia, what were we gonna say? I cut you off. I'm sorry.

[D]

I have no idea. Sorry. Okay, my attention. Spanish. Sorry.

[A]

So then you win, you know, again, at risk of embarrassing you further, but you win the Academy Award for the favorite.

[B]

And great speech, by the way.

[A]

Great, great speech. I did.

[B]

I loved the speech. It was so memorable.

[A]

And then the next. So then the next day. So you win the Academy Award. Sean's right. Great speech. And then you win the. And then it's the next morning and you wake up and then it's like, just get a cup of coffee like, every other day, like how, you know.

[D]

Or a couple of ibuprofen and coffees. Yeah, yeah. Kind of bonkers.

[A]

Yeah. And then you've got to fly home with it. Right. So. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

And. And I put it in my hand luggage because I. I didn't want it to go into the holders of legs. And then air stewards and stewardess is asking, can we see it? Have you got it? Yeah, I've got it in my bag.

[B]

And how about that? Going through. Going through the. You know, the metal detector we put.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Did they see it?

[D]

Yeah, I suppose so.

[B]

They must have done just, like, going by the screen. There's an Oscar going through the screen.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Imagine that shape comes up pretty clear on the.

[A]

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. And you don't want to. You don't want to. You don't want to check it in the luggage and put it in the hold, because if they lose it, then it's, good night, Oscar, you know?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, my goodness. Will.

[A]

That's Sean's play. That's Sean's play. Good night, Oscar winning.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

It's a terrible tie back.

[C]

So you take it out and. Are you showing it around the cabin there with the stewardesses and whatnot, or is it just kind of just unzip and just take a look in the bag.

[D]

Just a little look in the bag. Because I find I don't have anything out on show at home. I find it a little bit showy.

[A]

God, you're so English. You're so English, Olivia. It's delightful.

[C]

Is it absolutely Closet somewhere?

[D]

Yeah. It was in a cupboard in our sitting room.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Just because I. But. But we've discovered the cupboard's a bit damp. So we live in a very old house. Our house is front of it. 1600. I know, but it's beautiful. But it's so pretty. But it is a bit damp.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And. And our lovely Darren, who's our carpenter, handyman, painter, he opened the cupboard, went, oh, Lord, are you fucking kidding? You know our stampin hair. And so he made me take it out and I've now got it on a bookshelf, but behind a book so that I know it's there and I can say hello to him.

[C]

No, that's nice.

[D]

It's really nice.

[C]

That's very good.

[D]

So Darren rescued him.

[C]

You get another one. You bake bookends, you know, then you're gonna have to look at it.

[A]

So before we let you go, I mean you. You got a very busy life. You're working all the time. You're just. I mean you could almost.

[B]

And you're a mom.

[A]

And you're a mom and you have. And you're doing all. And you're out in the country. What do you do? We always ask people, is there one sort of guilty pleasure like thing that you do, like little like sort of TV that you watch that you enjoy?

[C]

What's the dumbest thing you do?

[A]

Do you do anything dumb as a sort of hobby that's kind of secret nobody knows about.

[C]

About.

[D]

I think I tell everybody everything. So nothing's really very secret.

[B]

Good for you.

[D]

I really love reality telly.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Good.

[A]

There we go.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Oh my God. Have you seen Too Hot to Handle?

[B]

No.

[D]

Brilliant.

[A]

What is that?

[C]

Is that up there with like Love island and Below Deck and stuff like that?

[D]

I've never really. Below deck. I love Below deck.

[B]

Yeah, I do.

[D]

Either Love Island I've never seen. But too hot to handle is. Please watch it. So it's all these really over sexed, incredibly hot, beautiful people who are on this island and they're told they're there for a show. A Dating show. And then it's great. And then the presenter comes on and says, actually, you're all here for Too Hot to Handle. And you can see them going, oh, God. Cause it means that they're not allowed to touch each other. And they start with a money pot of like 100 grand. And. And they forget that there's a million cameras in this house. And anyone. So masturbation is like five grand. A snog is two grand. It's hilarious. It's so funny.

[B]

I really like that.

[D]

It's so good. And then the next morning, this sort of. It's like a. What are those? I don't have one. Those gadgets in the house that you can talk to.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Like Alexa.

[B]

Oh, like an Alexa.

[D]

An Alexa. So this Alexa type thing goes, let's all meet on the sofa. And they all go, what haven't. I haven't view. Who's lost us some money? And then she says, the. The money pot is now down to 90 grand.

[B]

Someone was being shot and they're all.

[D]

Looking at each other and you gotta.

[C]

Figure out who did it.

[D]

So someone. And then they clear. They go to, like a hand moving under the duvet or. It's so funny.

[A]

That's.

[C]

Wait, I've gotta see it.

[A]

Ten grand. But it's only five grand. Yeah. No, Gary. Gary jerked it off twice.

[C]

Oh, that seems so good. Wait, is that a British show?

[D]

Sometimes I think, totally worth it. I'll. I'll take it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is it a British show or is it on, like, Netflix or something like that?

[D]

I have a feeling it's American. I've seen it with Americans.

[B]

You can Google it.

[D]

I think it. Yeah.

[C]

All right.

[B]

What about the. What about the Traitors? Have you seen the Traders? Do you like that show?

[D]

Love Traitors. Love it.

[B]

Yeah. I love.

[D]

We have gone holiday every year with four families and we play Mafia.

[B]

Same every night.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

During the Pandemic.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Now listen to this. During the Pandemic, we were playing Mafia on zoom with like 20 people, right? And after, like 10 times, I'm like, I feel like this is a TV show, but I didn't do anything about it. And then cut to one of the biggest shows in the history of the world, the Traitors. I mean, it's exactly the same thing.

[C]

Where do I find that? Will.

[B]

Sean on Peacock is at the Alan Cumming, the American version. And then I think the Alan Cumming.

[D]

I haven't seen the American one yet.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And I've seen the UK version as well.

[A]

And then what's her name? Claudia.

[D]

Claudia Winkelman.

[B]

She's great.

[A]

Who's my friend Chris's wife. She does the UK version.

[D]

Oh, my gosh. She's incredible.

[B]

You know her?

[A]

I do, yeah. She's my friend Chris, TK's wife.

[B]

I would love to meet her.

[A]

Yeah. But JB, remember, we played Mafia every night at New Year's this past with the kids and with every. We had all our kids. We had everything. Yeah.

[D]

Kids will play 20 hours. Do you find if you get murdered, you know it's your kids that have done it? It's every time.

[A]

It happened a lot. It happened a lot.

[D]

Always murder their parents.

[A]

I ended up. I tell you what, I ended up having to run it most of the times. I only got to play, like, twice of, like, the 20 times we did it.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Which was a bummer.

[B]

And if I. If I get. If I pick the killer card and I'm the murderer, I start laughing immediately, like, I'm the worst.

[A]

Wait, you do a killer?

[B]

You guys do cards that you pick or somebody is.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we assign. We assign. Everybody close their eyes, and we go around and whoever's running it assigns. Okay.

[D]

Oh, we do cards.

[B]

Yeah, we do cards.

[A]

Yeah. Interesting.

[D]

Same as Sean. And we have the same guy called Guy, who is the best guy at running it. And he loves it.

[A]

He likes to run it.

[D]

He's got a gentle Welsh accent, and it really works.

[B]

He's hilarious. Olivia, if we see each other in London, we should play.

[D]

Oh, my God, we will. I'll get Guy along. He can run along.

[C]

Do it while me and Amanda are there. Shani.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we should. That'd be so fun.

[D]

Let me know.

[A]

Well, Olivia Colman, I'm so thrilled to meet you.

[D]

You've had such a nice time.

[A]

What an absolute thrill. What a huge, massive fan we all are of yours. Massive fans.

[D]

Well, me too. I was incredibly nervous for the first half. Half of this. My heart was going like mad.

[C]

Came in with the lubrication.

[D]

Bless ed. He could tell that I needed a little. A little calm.

[C]

You were fantastic.

[A]

You were terrific.

[C]

Very nice.

[B]

Nice to meet you.

[A]

Thank you for doing this.

[D]

Oh, thank you for having me.

[A]

Have a great time.

[D]

I'll see you in London and we'll play math.

[A]

Yeah. In London. And a lot of success with the roses. August 29th. Once again, very happy for you and your success.

[D]

Oh, thank you so much. I'm a huge fan of all of you and I'm really grateful you had me on. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Bye bye.

[D]

Bye. Bye. By. Bye.

[C]

Bye. What a nice. Like a strawberry Wimbledon breakfast, you know?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

What's a strawberry window Wimbledon?

[C]

I don't know what the creams. It just feels so refreshing and European.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, first thing in the morning.

[A]

Yeah, it was really nice.

[B]

You know, people who are that joyful work a lot. I like that.

[C]

You think that's the key?

[B]

Well, I think it's part of it. Don't you think?

[C]

Sure, exactly. People choose.

[B]

Nobody wants to hire.

[C]

No, exactly. This is what I keep telling you, Sean.

[B]

Straighten out, get in line.

[A]

I mean, it's. Yeah. She does work a lot. She's in so many different things and so many different types of roles. Got to talk. She's in the bear. She's also recurring.

[B]

Bear.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

No way.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What's she doing in that show?

[A]

I don't know, man. She's poking the bear, I guess. She pokes the bear.

[B]

Sounds like a dream. What about the. What about where she lives is she's in the middle of the countryside in England. I mean, doesn't that sound.

[A]

And you can just sort of see her like just kind of children laughing and the wind just sort of, you know, gentle breeze through the trees and the birds and stuff.

[C]

Ice clattering against the side of the glass.

[A]

Large gin and tonic, you know.

[B]

Yeah. With something grilling on the thing outside and friends over. My Be some mafia late in the night.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is he trying to get closer to a buy?

[A]

You know, I don't know.

[B]

When is Robin. What did rob Descent. What does that word mean?

[C]

He's trying to. He's. He's pitching a by here and it.

[A]

Says something.

[C]

Is trying to pitch a b. Cololic.

[A]

No, it's like bucolic, but bhak.

[B]

What does that even mean? Bucolic.

[C]

Bucolic is sort of country leafy.

[A]

Yeah. You know, it's a pretty good one. I actually think it's nice.

[C]

But it's you and not by.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But I'll tell you what would be good. If you could somehow work in the word combined into something like that. You can.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You could really lean on the bisection.

[A]

Right. If you took the two. But then you were saying and you put two. Right.

[C]

So. Oh, I know. Wait, she's. She's an actress that can do comedy and drama. So. Yes.

[B]

What if she found the perfect role where you.

[C]

Oh. What?

[A]

Oh, she took the two things and she was able to. Oh. Come by.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

You guys.

[B]

Yes, come by. Colic.

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