"Oscar Isaac"

Summary

SMARTLESS: “Oscar Isaac” (October 27, 2025) – Detailed Summary

Episode Overview

In this episode of SmartLess, hosts Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett welcome Oscar Isaac—the acclaimed actor known for his versatile performances in Inside Llewyn Davis, Star Wars, Dune, and the upcoming Frankenstein. The conversation flows naturally with their trademark humor, covering Oscar’s roots, acting journey, work with Hollywood’s top directors, band days, family, creative process, and—true to form—some hilarious personal and professional anecdotes.

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1. Warm-Up & Banter [02:41–09:15]

• The hosts open with their signature playful energy, riffing on how they refer to the podcast (“record,” “pod,” etc.) and sharing inside jokes about dinner plans.
• Anecdote about AI brain-to-text device prompts a tangent on intrusive thoughts and privacy.
• Sean presents a “grandfather joke” (the cat likes their steak “rare” at [08:45])—a moment that cracks the group up.

Quote
“What do you call it when you say, you know, when you’re scheduling something?...I’ve said pod a couple of times, and it just feels terrible.” – Will Arnett, [03:03]

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2. Introducing Oscar Isaac [09:15–10:18]

• Sean Hayes introduces Oscar with a run-down of his fascinating background: born in Guatemala, moved around the U.S., nearly joined the Marines, played in ska bands, studied at Juilliard, and now one of Hollywood’s greats.
• The group welcomes him with genuine enthusiasm.

Quote
“I might geek out a little bit…I’m a huge fan.” – Sean Hayes, [09:19]

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3. Oscar Isaac: Early Life, Memory, and Broadway Beginnings [10:18–16:15]

• Oscar reminisces about his first meetings with the hosts and his “terrible memory,” sharing awkward award show moments ([11:00]–[12:55]).
• Discusses debut on Broadway, moving from Public Theater’s Hamlet to his celebrated roles, and the surreal feeling of eating onstage at a public dinner.
• Will Arnett and Oscar connect on the unreliable nature of memory for actors, and Sean admits to “face blindness” ([16:53]).
• Jason Bateman marvels at Oscar’s ability to recall Shakespeare and rehearsed lines, but not everyday personal moments ([16:36], [17:23]).

Quote
“I think it’s like, maybe it’s like this anxiety. The moment there’s even a slight doubt about a memory, it just erases…” – Oscar Isaac, [16:36]

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4. The Musician’s Path: Ska Bands to Juilliard [18:22–24:42]

• Oscar details his days as a sober, “straight edge” member of ska bands like The Worms and the Blinking Underdogs in Florida ([18:41]–[20:00]).
• Explains the serendipitous application to Juilliard after passing by and successfully persuading the admissions office to accept a late application ([20:43]–[21:14]).
• Shares how he landed audition requirements (including wearing a “dance belt”) and the surprising moments during that process ([21:35]–[22:02]).
• Brief Marine Corps detour: Oscar almost enlists with his saxophonist friend before music and acting win out ([24:41]–[26:54]).

Quote
“I went home that night and I filled it all out, and I came back the next day, and she took it…” – Oscar Isaac, on his Juilliard application, [20:51]

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5. Family, Roots, and Early Influences [29:34–32:27]

• Sean brings up Oscar’s multicultural upbringing (Guatemalan-born, Cuban heritage, moved all over the U.S.), and the immigrant “American Dream” narrative ([29:34]–[30:47]).
• Oscar credits his dad—a doctor and frustrated artist—for instilling his love of film, recounting home movie nights and making amateur films together.

Notable Moment
Oscar’s first acting influence was Tim Curry—he recalls being amazed by Curry’s range after seeing Clue and Legend ([31:47]).

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6. On Religion & Identity [33:42–36:08]

• Candid conversation about growing up deeply Evangelical (Oscar) vs. Catholic (Sean), and how those backgrounds continue to shape them ([33:42]–[34:44]).
• Will openly wonders about denominations and key differences (Oscar and Jason explain, including the Catholic/Church of England rift started by Henry VIII).
• Oscar connects his religious roots to his craft, drawing parallels between Catholic pageantry and visual cues in Frankenstein.

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7. “Frankenstein” & Working with Guillermo del Toro [36:08–44:05]

• Oscar shares inside stories from Frankenstein (written and directed by Guillermo del Toro):
  • Scene construction, tone, and Guillermo’s Spanish-language jokes on set.
  • Guillermo’s direction: “It’s not naturalistic…it’s heightened. I want the speed of language, speed of thought…high melodrama and just all heart.” ([39:57])
  • Trust and collaboration on set: Oscar recounts how Guillermo would cut scenes together, show them, and encourage new takes if Oscar had doubts ([41:27]–[43:35]).
• Touching story of an emotional scene: Oscar initially feels dissatisfied with his performance, but a second quick take becomes the final cut ([43:50]).

Quote
“He gave a lot of feeling to all of us of, like, you can’t fail. I wrote this stuff for you. There’s nothing to, like, reach for.” – Oscar Isaac, [39:56]

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8. Craft, Directing, and Creative Process [46:11–49:33]

• The group gets philosophical about watching their own performances. Oscar admits ambivalence; Christoph Waltz warned him “the bad thing is when you watch and you think it’s good” ([46:48]).
• Will and Jason encourage Oscar’s notion of someday directing. Oscar reveals his hesitance, due to personal indecisiveness, but is reassured by Jason that “it’s ok to say you don’t know” in life and on set ([48:41]).

Quote
“When somebody told me once it’s okay to say you don’t know, it freed me up a lot. That’s actually a great answer…” – Jason Bateman, [48:42]

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9. Personal Life: Family and “King Hamlet” [49:55–54:35]

• Sean gushes about Oscar’s wife, documentary filmmaker Elvira Lind. Together they made King Hamlet, a personal doc capturing Oscar’s journey through grief (losing his mother), marriage, and birthing his first child within weeks—all while preparing for Hamlet ([50:26]–[52:54]).
• Oscar recounts meeting Elvira at a New York party—he arrived in character from Inside Llewyn Davis, trying to project “warmth without smiling” ([53:19]).

Quote
“At one point she’s like, are you—I can’t tell—are you flirting with me? And I was like, yeah, yeah I am.” – Oscar Isaac, [54:11]

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10. Iconic Roles: Inside Llewyn Davis, Ex Machina, Dune, Star Wars [54:49–60:00]

• On Inside Llewyn Davis: Oscar talks about music training, learning “Travis picking” guitar style for the film ([14:05]).
• Ex Machina: Reflections on AI, tech, and the film’s eerie resonance with today’s reality ([55:23]–[56:34]).
• Dune: Shares a famous on-set prank, slipping his “modesty sock” into director Denis Villeneuve’s jacket ([57:04]).
• Star Wars: Discusses his family’s fandom, joy of sharing the experience with his late uncle (who appeared as an extra), and the excitement of being part of the legendary reboot ([58:24]–[59:29]).

Memorable Story
Oscar’s “modesty sock” prank on Denis Villeneuve on set of Dune ([57:08]).

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11. Rapid Fire: Parenting, Board Games, and Lullabies [59:56–62:19]

• Oscar admits he’s not much of a cook, but loves hugs and sharing “theatre stories.”
• Would choose Ethan Hawke over Jessica Chastain for Scrabble—“he’s a poet and a writer” ([60:50]).
• Shares that he improvises lullabies for his two sons, though they used to beg him to stop! Now they jam together using a looper pedal ([61:18]–[61:41]).
• His kids (ages six and eight) have seen him in Star Wars and give him honest feedback.

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12. Closing Tributes [62:19–63:04]

• All three hosts praise Oscar’s talent and humility.
• Jason and Will reflect on his performance in Frankenstein: “You’re one of the greats, man. For real, Oscar…the world’s greats.” ([62:42])
• Oscar reciprocates the love and thanks them—with warmth and humility typical throughout the episode.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “He gave a lot of feeling to all of us of, like, you can’t fail. I wrote this stuff for you. There’s nothing to, like, reach for.” – Oscar Isaac, [39:56]
• “At one point she’s like, are you—I can’t tell—are you flirting with me? And I was like, yeah, yeah I am.” – Oscar Isaac on meeting his wife, [54:11]
• “When somebody told me once it’s okay to say you don’t know, it freed me up a lot…” – Jason Bateman, [48:42]
• “I used to think that I could speak to cats. So I would, like, go to the backyard and meow a lot, and cats would come.” – Oscar Isaac, [54:54]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [09:15] – Oscar’s intro & welcome
• [14:02] – Inside Llewyn Davis & becoming a musician for the role
• [20:43] – Applying to Juilliard & the “dance belt” story
• [29:34] – Roots, moving across America, immigrant story
• [33:42] – Religion, upbringing, and its influence
• [36:08] – Frankenstein & working with Guillermo del Toro
• [41:27] – Emotional scene: Oscar’s process with Guillermo
• [46:11] – Watching yourself act: lessons, challenges, advice
• [50:26] – “King Hamlet” documentary & meeting Elvira Lind
• [54:49] – Inside Llewyn Davis, cat anecdotes, and other jokes
• [55:23] – Ex Machina’s prescient relevance
• [57:04] – Dune: “modesty sock” prank story
• [58:24] – Star Wars fandom & family
• [61:18] – Jamming with kids, musical parenting

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a warm, funny, and deeply human conversation—a window into Oscar Isaac’s unconventional journey and grounded personality. The rapport among the hosts and their guest leads to insightful discussions about memory, family heritage, creativity, vulnerability as a performer, and finding joy (and comedy) behind the scenes of legendary projects. The episode serves fans and newcomers alike with its candid peek into both artistic craft and the man at the center of so many beloved films.

Highly recommended for:

• Anyone fascinated by acting, film, and creative process
• Fans of Oscar Isaac or Guillermo del Toro
• Listeners who love warm, genuine storytelling—anchored by laughter and humility

Transcript

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[B]

Can I just be shameless and say what I'm actually really excited for? Can I just say it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm really excited for our live show. Oh, I'm nervous. I'm nervous.

[A]

I always get nervous.

[B]

Are you guys nervous about.

[C]

You're talking about the one that's coming up November 15th out there at the Hollywood Bowl? I'm very nervous about that.

[B]

That's the one where people can go to smartless.com live to get tickets. That's the one I'm talking about.

[C]

Wait, what? What's the what? Wait, wait, wait.

[B]

It's smartless.com Life is where I would.

[C]

Go if I wanted to buy a ticket.

[B]

That's where you'd go if you wanted. But anyway, I'm nervous about it because it's, it's going to be the Hollywood bowl and we got a couple great guests.

[A]

I had a bowl of Honey Nut Cheerios.

[B]

Okay, great. All right, let's get to an all new Smart Smart Smart Less.

[C]

What do you guys call it when you say, you know when you're scheduling something? You're like, well, I can't I've got. I've got. I've got a. I'm doing a pod. I'm doing a record. How do you refer to what we're doing right now when you talk to other people?

[A]

I just record. I say record. I say record.

[B]

Or sometimes. Or I'll say have to record a smart. Yeah, I got a smart list.

[D]

That's a long.

[A]

What do you say?

[C]

I've said. I've said pod a couple of times and it just feels terrible.

[B]

Yeah, of course it. What? Sounds terrible.

[C]

Yeah. Hey, what about the three of us get to put our. Our chest and faces on each other on Sunday for the first time in forever?

[A]

What do you got? What do you mean?

[E]

You.

[A]

We're all going to have dinner on Sunday.

[B]

Sunday night.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. All right, good. I don't think Amanda. Amanda's going.

[C]

Amanda's not. So I actually have an out. But I was thinking, since you guys.

[A]

Are going to be there, well, you better be there. Yeah.

[B]

Solo to this Sunday. So it's going to be really. We're going to have. Yeah. Jason, will you be. Yeah.

[C]

Do you want me to wear something special?

[B]

Yeah, I want you to pick me up. I want you to pick and open my door.

[C]

And I'm going to wear that thing that you.

[B]

That I always ask for.

[A]

Now, I got. I got.

[C]

Hey.

[A]

We saw. We missed you last night. It was.

[C]

We.

[A]

I was over there, Willie, last night with Jay.

[B]

Are you here?

[A]

Yeah, just for a quick bite.

[B]

Quick bite. How was that?

[A]

Yeah, it was good. It was good. Good. Oh, good. Okay.

[B]

Okay.

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Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Good.

[B]

So you guys said dinner. Well, again. Well, we're having dinner tonight.

[A]

That's right. Me and Willie are having dinner.

[C]

So you guys gonna go to Jar.

[B]

It doesn't matter.

[A]

Yes. How did you know?

[C]

Truly?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You want to go or no?

[E]

Well.

[A]

Nah, we're gonna see each other Sunday.

[B]

You can come. Come.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

It's gonna be fun.

[A]

Yeah. Because I haven't hung out with Carolyn yet, really, so. Oh, sorry. Can I say that?

[B]

Oh. Oh, boy.

[C]

Oh, well, the Internet's saying it, so I think we can.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Wait, what did we talk about last night? Say. Oh, yeah, we talked about. Hey, Will, have you seen this alter ego thing I was talking about at the table where it's a new device. It's like an AI device and you put it in the back of your ear.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Listen to this.

[C]

This sounds like a nightmare.

[A]

And all. Whenever you. Whatever you think of, it translates into text. Audio.

[C]

Audio.

[A]

Yeah, audio, text.

[C]

You imagine that, like, basically having a microphone on in your brain.

[B]

That's a nightmare.

[A]

Yeah, but I mean, only if you turn it on like, you. You don't.

[C]

It's not like, you know, I. I would. I would venture to say people would pay thousands and thousands of dollars to have that eliminated if that was something that was stuck on most people.

[B]

But it's. But if volunteer thoughts were vocalized, the.

[C]

Jails would be full and they'd empty their accounts to get rid of it.

[A]

Yeah, but, I mean, it's. It's voluntary.

[C]

You don't.

[A]

It's not, like, stuck.

[C]

No, I understand that. I'm just saying they're gonna have a tough time. Kill JB.

[B]

Kill JB. Kill Jb. Kill JB. Kill JBW.

[C]

Save money for this new device. That just sounds like, I hope Jason misses this putt.

[B]

I hope Jason misses this putt.

[A]

Hey, did I. Did I leave too abruptly last night?

[C]

No, you actually triggered a mass exodus, which was fantastic. We all left right after that. It was.

[B]

Wait, wait, what do you mean, we all. How many. What are we talking about?

[C]

15, 20, 25 people?

[A]

No, it's like eight. Six people. Eight people.

[B]

What? Hang on. Wait a second. Pump the brakes. What was I left out of?

[D]

This was.

[C]

This was a. This was a specific little bite.

[A]

Bite and smile.

[C]

It was a bite smile.

[D]

And I bet I don't know these people exactly.

[C]

Not. Not very well at all.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, so.

[C]

But. But we all.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You have a guest today.

[A]

I do. I know. We're getting. We're gonna get right to it. I was gonna share one more thing, but that I'd love to hear.

[C]

It worked on material. Go ahead.

[A]

No, it's not. It's. It's. Okay. Here we go.

[B]

No, no, no, wait. I want to hear what you.

[A]

No, no, it was just that. It was that topic, that whole thing about, you know, men and women and, like, sexual opportunities. So, like, I asked all the women at the table, like, if a. If a guy came to the door and there was the best looking guy in the world, would you. And he propositioned you, whether, you know, politely or impolitely, whatever it was just based on looks, would you go for it?

[C]

And.

[A]

And of course, unanimously, every girl around the table was like, no, I would never do that.

[C]

You can be much more specific than that. You can. You can. You can say what the actual.

[A]

Well, it was. It was. It was like if. If a guy. If. If a, like, drop dead gorgeous, unbelievable guy was at your door and he just, like, exposed himself, but not really, like, but like in a. In a. Or answered in a robe or something. And of course, every girl was like, no, that's disgusting. That's weird and bizarre and not. And then. But conversely, all the gay guys and the straight guys, we're like, yeah, I would totally go for that, you know.

[C]

Meaning if it was the opposite, if the door opens and had her robe open, right? The guy would say, oh, yeah, cool if I come in, you know, as opposed to the. And I guess Sean was making a statement about the difference in sexes.

[B]

It reminds me. It reminds me of this old joke that my grandfather had, and this is almost a dad joke, but it's worse. It's a grandfather joke, which is the guy's on a desert island and he there by himself for years and years and years. And all of a sudden, this beautiful woman comes out of the surf and she's got her. She's wearing a wetsuit, and she says, when was the last time you had a nice cold beer? And he's like, oh, my God, it's been forever. And she reaches into her wetsuit, pulls out a beer, and he chugs it down. She goes, when was the last time that you had a smoke? And he was like, years. And she pulls out a cigarette, lights, and he's like, oh, my God, it's incredible. And then she looks at him and she goes, when was the last time you played around? And he goes, you got golf clubs in there?

[A]

That's a good one.

[B]

It's a great grandfather joke.

[C]

But Shawnee told me a great grandfather joke. Granddad joke. Really? Dad joke? Yes.

[A]

Was it the cat?

[C]

Yeah. How to.

[B]

Maybe Sean should tell it.

[C]

I kind of punched up the reading a little bit.

[B]

Okay, go ahead.

[A]

Go ahead.

[D]

Go ahead.

[C]

What? Yeah, so What?

[A]

No, it's.

[B]

What is it?

[A]

How does a cat like its steak?

[E]

Rare.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I can't even.

[E]

It's not.

[A]

It's so not even funny. All right.

[C]

You gotta have the little tidy claws up when you do it too.

[A]

Oh, that'll help it.

[D]

Guys, we're so silly.

[B]

We're over.

[A]

We're over time already. All right, look, look, we got a guy. We got a guy here.

[C]

We'll just thank our guest now and we'll apologize first.

[A]

He's a big deal, guys.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Shit, I might geek out a little bit. I'm a huge fan. He was born in Guatemala, and then he kind of ping ponged around the United States as a kid while his dad finished his medical residencies. He almost joined the Marines before making a sharp pivot To Juilliard. He spent most of his teens in Florida playing bass and singing in a ska punk band, including one that opened for Green Day. But now he's one of Hollywood's most versatile actors, playing everything from a folk singer, mad genius, tech guy, a rebel pilot, a superhero, a Shakespearean royalty. He's ridiculously talented. Absolute joy to watch one of my favorite actors of all time, Oscar Isaac.

[B]

Oscar Isaac.

[A]

Oscar Isaac.

[B]

Absolutely stumped.

[C]

Oscar Isaac.

[A]

See the claws out.

[D]

I'm so telling my 6 year old this joke when he gets old in school today. You know what?

[C]

Okay, we're rolling. Speed and action. Let's see your reading on rare.

[D]

He's like, I can't, man. I think the claws are definitely necessary.

[C]

You need the little kitten claws. Yeah. Sean's got great dad jokes. You got any dad jokes, Oscar?

[D]

No, I am. My heart's pounding. You guys are so fast and so funny. So intimidating with your speed of wit.

[C]

Lace.

[D]

Oh, no, no, no.

[B]

You should read what people say about me on this thing. They're so sick of me at some point.

[C]

I'm sick of me. Yeah.

[A]

Oscar.

[D]

Pleasure. I'm really happy, you know, because there was a moment there, I remember during the pandemic where I think there was a moment where it's like, oh, can I come and do the show? Way back then?

[A]

And I. Oh, really?

[D]

I was stuck down there. Yeah.

[A]

You've been on my list to be on the show since day one.

[B]

Yeah, you've been on my list, but.

[C]

You have not stopped working on the greatest things that this business has to offer since then and before. Yeah, well done. I'm so, so happy. Every time I see you in something, I get more of you.

[A]

And I just watched Frankenstein last.

[D]

You did?

[B]

You did?

[A]

Yeah. Wait a second.

[C]

You got home from the dinner and watched Frankenstein?

[A]

No, I'm sorry, During the day. Yesterday. Not last night.

[C]

Oh, thanks for the phone call.

[A]

But wait, but. And we're gonna get to that. But holy moly, man. That your performance was.

[C]

I'm so excited to see it.

[A]

Incredible.

[B]

I know. I'm so sorry.

[A]

I mean, just incredible. I don't know how you do it, but anyway, listen, thanks for being here. I'm guessing when we met a couple years ago, you could probably feel what a big fan I was.

[B]

Oh, no, Oscar, you describe it from your side. What happened? Be honest.

[D]

It was at the awards dinner.

[A]

Yeah, no, it was. I think before that it was the Lin Manuel Miranda kind of things that he does in the street. Right, right. And then we all had to, like, Go out if you're in a show.

[B]

He's erased that. It turns out he's erased that from his memory.

[D]

I have a notoriously terrible memory with all things I did, especially in like a over stimulated moment like that, which was insane.

[A]

I know. Me too. I'm like, so.

[D]

But you were so sweet at the. What was the award? I don't even remember what the.

[A]

The Tony Awards.

[D]

No, no, no, it was before that, where everybody kind of has a dinner on a stage.

[A]

Oh, yeah. How awkward was that?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. There's a crowd and then we're all.

[A]

On stage eating, like we're on display. Yeah.

[D]

And then you came over and said, hi.

[B]

Wait, wait. Sorry. Just. I just want to put it. So you're all on stage eating, and there's a crowd in the theater watching you.

[A]

Watching you.

[D]

Well, they're eating too, right?

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah, Right?

[A]

I think so. I don't remember meals. I couldn't see them. I couldn't see them.

[D]

You can't really see them because there's lots of lights on.

[B]

I mean, this is a new kind of dinner theater where everybody's eating, including the cast.

[C]

And then let's get. And then let's get to Sean coming over and doing the offensive. Whatever it was.

[B]

Was it about Dune? Was it about. What Was it about Star Wars?

[D]

Maybe it was a Star wars thing.

[C]

But we were.

[D]

Were on, you know, we were. We were across the street from each other. You know, you were doing Oscar. You're. The triumphant. The much celebrated play. I was doing the. The Marginally Tolerated play across. Across the way. Sidney Bruce theme.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[B]

No, no.

[D]

And it was cool to be up there. That was my first time doing Broadway and it was kind of by happening.

[A]

Really.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Because we were. We were.

[A]

What about Hamlet?

[D]

That was at the Public.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[C]

Which is what, technically? Off Broadway.

[D]

Yeah, that's off Broadway.

[A]

Yeah. But anyway, I just, you know, huge fan, but I want to talk about. I had no idea you played instruments and like inside. Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Lou. And incredible. Is that you really playing in the movie too.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And was that a requirement the Coen brothers wanted.

[D]

They did. They actually were mostly at first, they were just auditioning musicians.

[A]

I had no idea you were a musician. That's so crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

When I. So I played, you know, I mean, I didn't play folk music necessarily or like that kind of style. And so when I knew. When I heard that they were gonna be auditioning for. I just really went in hardcore on learning, like Travis Picking and, and doing all that. And it was. Yeah.

[B]

What's. What's Travis picking?

[D]

Travis picking is kind of like. It's almost like a rat like ragtime on piano where, you know, the left hand is doing the baseline and the right hand is doing the melody.

[B]

Sh. Can you do that?

[A]

Yeah, it's called stride piano. Yeah.

[D]

Stride piano.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So it's. You're kind of doing that with a guitar where the thumb is doing the baseline.

[A]

Oh, really?

[D]

These guys are just playing the melody.

[C]

Oh my God.

[A]

Difficult, man.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like. Yeah, it's like almost like the, the drumming where you have to kind of get some separation between the three.

[B]

Jason, I saw you drumming in a music video yesterday. Is that. Do you want to comment on that?

[C]

What.

[A]

What is that?

[C]

Wait, was it, Was it the.

[B]

It must have been a black rabbit adjacent music.

[C]

Oh, right. Oh, that. Yes.

[B]

Yeah, it just popped up yesterday and I just saw you hammering away on.

[C]

The skin on your Instagram. On my Instagram? Yeah, it's. It's a crazy.

[D]

I saw that the first episode of that. You're so great in it.

[C]

Oh, thanks, man.

[D]

So, you're so, kind of, so effortless.

[B]

Can I, can I tell you last night I, I haven't, I haven't started yet because I want to have a. I, I want to binge it all in a row. I think I'm gonna watch it this weekend. And I had. But Bradley texted me last night. He watched till the final text was at 3:30 this morning saying, I just finished Black Rabbit. It's incredible. It's unbelievable. And then he called me this morning. He's like Bateman. Literally. I'm not. This is not exaggerated. Bateman is an incredible actor. I know.

[D]

Seeing the car with the coins and the reaction to the gun be like, get it out of my face. So, so funny and real. It was so great.

[C]

I love Oscar. Back to you. I want to talk about your memory because I'm wondering if I have Alzheimer's or visit. Is it just us actors that. Well, although Will is an anomaly.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

He can remember everything. He's Mary Lou Henner's brother. But do you think that our brains have morphed into a one trick pony where we can just remember lines and everything else? It decides I can't have this. And it self edits things that are not going to our bott.

[D]

Like I still, I still know all these Shakespeare monologues, but I can't. I think it's. I think it's like maybe it's like this anxiety. The moment there's even a slight doubt about a memory, it just erases. Or a person's name or anything. Like, the second there's a hesitation, it goes.

[A]

Do you have face blindness at all? I have a little bit of that where you just like. I do. Where I'm just like, scotty. My husband Scotty's like, you've met that person like, 20 times. I'm like, really? And it's horrible. It's a horrible thing.

[D]

I think it is that thing. It's like the. It's like a hiccup that happens, and.

[C]

Then you're like, ah.

[D]

It's like a paralysis.

[B]

Yeah, I have this. I have a good memory, but I do have that too, Sean. It's not face blindness, but I can't remember. People say, we met or we know each other or we did the thing. Like, that part of my brain is completely cut off, but I can remember.

[C]

But, like, you know, like February of 2003, you can remember?

[B]

Yeah, that was February 2003. February 2003, I auditioned for. For Arrested Development, and that was in February.

[A]

How would you.

[C]

Jesus. Like, but, like, November 2018, you probably know what was going on.

[B]

Yeah, I do. November 2018, I went to England for six days.

[A]

That's crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.

[D]

I don't get that.

[C]

The brain is amazing, but then there.

[B]

Are certain parts of it that I. That I can't remember. And I can also remember dialogue as well, Oscar. And I can remember also throughout the. I guess from, like, voiceover stuff over the years. I can remember copy from voiceover campaigns that I did 30 years ago.

[C]

Here comes the GMC tie in, guys.

[B]

I did it this morning.

[C]

Was anything professional grade this morning?

[B]

No, but you can get 0% in all 20, 25 GMC terrain. 18.

[C]

Good Lord, that river does a damn.

[A]

Okay, Oscar, I want to talk about your. So not only did I not know that you played in a band and sang in a band called the Worms, Right?

[D]

One of the names of the band, the Worms.

[C]

What kind of music was it?

[D]

Ska.

[A]

Yeah, it was like ska punk, Right?

[C]

Oh, boy. I can smell the weed from here.

[A]

Here we go.

[D]

This was before I wasn't drinking or, like, I didn't drink alcohol till, like, 24 years old. So I was like. I was straight edge.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Oh, wow.

[D]

I was. Yeah. Like, I didn't. So I was always the odd one out.

[B]

But how did you go. How did you do that thing where you. Because Sean said it in the intro ineloquently that you were In a band. And you were in ska and that. And then you all of a sudden go to Juilliard. Was that one day, like, you were like, hey, guys, I'm out of the band. I'm going to Juilliard.

[A]

Like, kind of really, really for real?

[D]

A little bit. It was. But you did. Straight from Marines to Juilliard, which was.

[B]

It was.

[D]

I was, yeah. Yeah. I mean, a little bit.

[C]

Wait, were you driving a moped with a raccoon tail on it when you play in the band?

[D]

And suspenders. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Really? I'll bet you were. I remember those.

[B]

How many times have you seen Quadrophenia? No, sorry. Keep going.

[D]

Yeah, no, I. I had graduated high school. I was in this different band called the Blinking Underdogs. And.

[C]

And we surprised that cleared. No one had that, huh?

[D]

Nobody had it. They had the Blinkers, they had the.

[A]

Underdogs, but not together. And just so you know, Oscar, I was in a band called Sounds from the Stairs. So it's all. All the names are. So keep going. Yeah. Blanking Underdogs.

[D]

So many different band names. But. But.

[E]

But, yeah.

[D]

And so I came up to New York to do this off. Off. Off Off Broadway play.

[B]

While you were. While you were in the band?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. And we were touring, but Florida. We didn't really get out of Florida. And this was kind of. As the third wave was cresting and kind of coming down with Scott. Right. And.

[A]

And when. When. When did you start Closet Heterosexuals? That was the third band that was.

[D]

That was before Scott. That was hardcore.

[C]

That.

[A]

Okay, that was hardcore. Okay, got it.

[D]

Ch.

[A]

Good. Ch. Is that what you called it? And now you. Do you still collect guitars? Because I know you collect.

[B]

Well, wait, Sean. Sean, he's telling you a story about how he went to New York to do the play.

[A]

What are we doing over here?

[D]

Well, no, I went to do the play, and then I was up there, and I passed by Juilliard, and I was like, ah, Juilliard. Let me go in there and see what's up. And I asked.

[B]

Come on.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

And I asked for an application, and they said that the deadline was due already. This was like a Tuesday, and it had been due Friday. And I kind of, like, schmoozed the lady, and I was like, can I just take it back? And she's like, well, take it. Maybe you turn in next. Next year. And I went home that night and I filled it all out, and I came back the next day, and she took it and, like, put, you know.

[C]

Posted what else did you have to do to get it? Was there. Was there an audition process?

[D]

Yeah, then there was a. Then there was a whole audition process. Well, I had. I had to come back and do like a monologue. Do a couple monologues and do like a movement class and a dance belt. And wear a dance belt.

[A]

Or while you have everybody in a dance belt.

[B]

Did you actually have that rare dance belt collection?

[D]

Did you?

[B]

Great.

[D]

I don't have guitars, but I have a great dance belt collection.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

Were you able to confirm that the other applicants had to wear the dance belt?

[D]

The funny thing. No, the dance belt thing actually was not about the audition, but the first day of the. When you got in, they're like, this is what you have to do. And I remember I went in with my dance belt and nobody else had put on a dance belt. We got another one.

[A]

Why would you put a dance belt on just for a monologue?

[D]

Because that's my craft.

[A]

Okay, I got it. I got it.

[C]

No question.

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[C]

And now back to the show.

[A]

All right, so Will's point. Okay, so. But how did you. Where did you. So you were in this band, but you always had this kind of inkling to.

[D]

Yeah, I was doing plays. I was doing plays in Miami as well. So I was doing both. Both at the same time.

[A]

And where did the Marines come in?

[D]

That was the guy, the sax player of the worms.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

He and I just got really got. His dad was a Navy seal. And so we started talking about going, going in, being, you know, getting like, buff and you know, and just like going in on the buddy system. Because you could do the buddy system at that time, which is.

[C]

What. What's a buddy system?

[D]

The buddy system is that you go in with a buddy and then you get to do all of basic training with your pal.

[C]

Nobody.

[D]

You get to do the whole thing. So, like, that sounds great.

[C]

It just sounds rad. I mean, it sounds so fun, right? You gotta do pull ups and push.

[D]

Ups and all this stuff. Like, it's gonna be great.

[B]

And the thought that you even thought that you could, like. I would never occur to me. I wouldn't even look it up because I'd be like, I'm not getting anywhere close to that.

[C]

Right. You're gonna get kicked out when you, when you enter the barracks.

[B]

But.

[D]

But then they're like. And then I said, you know, oh, and I'll go in for combat photography. I had watched, you know, Full Metal Jacket and I'm like, yeah, like, be a combat photographer.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And. And so we started doing the training. Like you would meet up every weekend and start, like doing the training with some of the Marines, like an early training.

[A]

And so you did that?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. And I even went. And I did the yell. You go to, like a hotel and they do all like, your examinations and health stuff and you take your first oath and there's like a second oath that you have to do.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

And then I. And when I first signed up, I remember they gave me a pamphlet that had all like, the famous Marines, like the artsy Marines, like Brian Dennehy And I was like, I was like, great. And, and then I went to sign up, like, when I actually really had to sign up, and I was going to go in as a reservist. And I was like, I'm here for combat photography. They're like, oh, no, that's just full time. And I said, well, what, what can I do instead? And they said, anti tank. And I was like, so against the tank. I'm like, how do I get. All right, I'm think about that. Let me just think about it. And then the saxophone quit the band. And so he and I weren't really close anymore, so I lost my buddy. And then we got enough money and then we got enough money to, like, record an album that summer, like, to record our own, like, cd.

[C]

Right.

[D]

And so I was like, I think I'm not gonna do it.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

She did not go through the, the basic training.

[D]

No, no, I didn't go through any of that.

[A]

Wait, so, but then you. So I want to go back to the thing because I didn' collected guitars. So you, how many guitars do you have?

[D]

I don't really collect guitars. I mean, I, I have some guitars.

[C]

You know, but you told the Cohen brothers you did.

[A]

I'll bet.

[D]

S7.

[B]

Seven's pretty good.

[A]

Seven seven guitars.

[C]

That's a lot of guitars collection.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Was that the last audition you were. The last audition I ever did was for Hudsucker Proxy.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

Yeah. So it was for the Cohen brothers. I mean, I, I, I'd read today for the Coen brothers.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Was that the last audition you've ever done?

[D]

No, my last, my last audition was for Mike Nichols. Really?

[B]

Wow.

[D]

For Betrayal on Broadway.

[E]

Wow.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

When was that?

[D]

Terribly. It was 2014. I remember I came in and I had, like, listened to a lot of Harold Pinter to kind of do his accent. And I was going through a divorce at the time, so I was like, man, I'm feeling this thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't know if you're aware of the play, but it's very much about that infidelity and all that.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And so I got there, and Juliet Rylance was the, the reader. She's a great, great actress. Mark Ry's daughter.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And, and I did the, I did the first, the first scene, and Michael Nichols was quiet, and he goes, where'd you get that accent?

[C]

I was like, damn it.

[D]

Where'd I, where'd I get it? Yeah, where'd you get it? And I was like, oh, I was listening to, I was Listening to Pinter. I was listening to some recordings and kind of trying to do that. He's like, oh, yeah, Well, I guess different English people sound differently. And then when we do the next scene. So I did the next scene. And then he goes, would it make you sad to do this play every night?

[A]

What does that mean?

[D]

I was like, trick question.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

How do you answer?

[D]

And I was like, I'm just gonna be honest. Like, you know what? I was reading it on the subway ride over here, and. Yeah. You know, I'm kind of going through something right now, and I feel really connected to, like, the grief of that and the pain of that. And I feel like, yeah, it would definitely be, you know, delving into that night by night. And then Juliet Ryland's. God bless her. She's like. But also fun, too, right?

[B]

I was like, oh, yeah.

[D]

No, but also so fun. I mean, come on, doing this on Broadway with you. It'd be so fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And then they're like, thank you. Thank you very much.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

And then I. Yeah. And then I walked out.

[A]

And who got it? Do you remember who got it?

[D]

Rafe Spall.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah. Reef Spall. And they did the play. They did the play as a comedy.

[C]

Oh.

[D]

As well.

[C]

So the right answer would have been the opposite of.

[D]

Yeah, the right answer was. Yeah, was the opposite. Yeah.

[A]

So. But the trick questions just tell me, like, what you. I want to do this at a comedy. So.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Then it'd be fun. Yeah, I know. You know. Okay, so born in Guatemala, which I did not know either. And then Baltimore, New Orleans. Miami.

[B]

Is this question gonna make you sad?

[A]

Yes, but also fun. I'm gonna have a blast.

[B]

Keep going, keep going, keep going.

[A]

Wait, all that moving around before you were 6 years old. And why. Because your dad is. That's what I read, that he was doing his medical something is all because of your dad. Yeah.

[D]

I mean, also just like that. Yeah. The immigrant story of, like, you know, coming to America for a better life. And so he. He grew up in D.C. he's Cuban. He was born in Cuba, but grew up in D.C. and then went to medical school in Guatemala, him and his two brothers. And that's where he met my mom. And then they had my sister. And then. Yeah, then I was born in, like, week as I was six months old. And then we moved to D.C. first, like, Virginia, Baltimore area. Did kindergarten there, then Louisiana, because he went to LSU for his residency. And then Florida, where we had family. And his mom was there, and we lived with my grandma for A bit. And then.

[A]

And eventually became a doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Was there. Was there any pressure on you to. To follow in his footsteps or do you fully embrace the. The actor thing?

[D]

No, he kind of. He was also a bit of a frustrated artist as well. Like, he would make movies with his brothers on a, you know, 8 millimeter camera.

[C]

And that's what the initial spark was for you too, maybe?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. He would, like, every Friday was like, a movie night, and he would bring home these, like, mystery movies that we'd watch. And then he bought a camcorder and we. We'd make, like, home movies.

[B]

So he must have been kind of thrilled when you kind of got into this a little bit.

[D]

Yeah, he was into it. He was into it until it became competition.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is he still with us?

[D]

He's still with us.

[C]

And so he must.

[D]

Yeah, I brought him to the Frankenstein premiere and.

[C]

Oh, no way.

[A]

Oh, that's so cool.

[C]

Do you remember who the first actor was that he showed you that you kind of latched on to and was like, oh, I'd like to have those chops when I'm older.

[D]

Tim Curry.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, really?

[D]

That's.

[B]

I remember.

[C]

I saw.

[D]

He showed. We watched Clue, and then we watched Legend, and when I realized it was the same guy.

[C]

What about Rocky Horror?

[D]

Yeah. Well, then. Yeah, Rocky Horror after that. Although dad didn't bring that one home for movie night. Yeah, but, but, but, man, like, I just. I couldn't believe that that was the same guy. And I noticed it because the way that his lip curled at one point as, like, the devil, and you went.

[B]

Like, oh, my God. Yeah.

[D]

Oh, you can.

[E]

Whoa.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

What about. Not to jump around. Sorry. But what about. How about Cuba? I've always been fascinated with Cuba. Have you. Have you been able to go. To go there since your dad has roots there?

[D]

I haven't been. I haven't been. You know, like, I grew up in Miami, Cuba World, which is like, everyone's so traumatized and afraid and so complicated, but I've. I've wanted to go. We almost went when Lou and Davis came out. Actually, we were going to go to the film festival, and at the last minute, it didn't happen. But it's definitely a place I want to go current.

[C]

I feel so dumb, as usual. You can't. You can't go there freely.

[D]

It opened up for a moment.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Under Obama, and then closed up and now closed again. Closed up again.

[B]

Well, like, as an American, like, Canadians go. I know that a lot of Canadians go there on Holiday all the time. There are lots of flights and.

[C]

I know.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

[A]

Cuba. I mean, why would you want to go like it? Because it's beautiful or.

[C]

Oh, there's our quote for the day.

[B]

I mean, enjoy your.

[D]

Your vacation. I mean, it's an incredible place.

[B]

You know, how many demographics are you trying to get rid of at once, man? You don't know?

[A]

I just. I just didn't know what the draw was like. I know what the draw.

[B]

Beautiful.

[C]

Shovel down.

[B]

It's got incredible culture. It's got.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay. I just didn't know. People are like, hey, I can't wait.

[B]

To go to Cuba. They feel the same way about you and your mall. What's the. Why does mall all the time?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

So anyway, Oscar, So I grew up. I grew up super, super Catholic. You grew up very. Is it safe to say evangelical or Christian? Evangelical.

[C]

Now listen to religion.

[A]

No, I think it's f. I think it's fascinating because, you know, because you were, like, devout.

[D]

We're talking spiritual abuse.

[A]

Yeah, totally, totally. I love talking about. We don't have to talk about it, but I love.

[D]

Dude.

[C]

Because I know zero about religion, please.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, you know, there's some wonderful Catholics, there's some wonderful Christians, and then there's the ones that are beyond hypocritical.

[C]

But do you guys know, like, what is the difference between Catholic, Christian, Evangelical, Episcopalian, Protestant, Methodist, Lutheran.

[B]

They're all Christians, Christian. They're all under this big umbrella of Christianity. Right.

[C]

But how. What is the. Is there a singular difference that. That separates each one of them, like, as far as interpretation of the Bible goes, or.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

I guess the short answer. But is it, like an identifiable. Like, could it be a Jeopardy. Question? Like, what is the single difference between Lutheran and Episcopalian? Is it.

[B]

Well, like, put it this way. Like, the Episcopal. Episcopal Church came from. Is Church of England. Right. And it was established as a. As a sort offshoot of Catholicism because Henry VIII wanted to be able to divorce his wife, Jesus Christ. So he established the Church of England.

[D]

And Martin Luther comes along.

[B]

And then. So, of course, it's a little bit different. It's kind of like. A lot of people describe Church of England as sort of Catholic light without all the pageantry. That's a sort of a simplistic view. And then there are all these different.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. In Catholicism, there's a lot more intercessors, I guess, is the word. You know, like the saints and people that you pray to and like you said, the pageantry, which, to go to Frankenstein, is a very Catholic, Mexican look.

[C]

At this pro version of.

[D]

But he talks about it very much in that way. You know, the Christ figure, like the forensic nature of the crucifixion.

[B]

Yes. How about when.

[A]

How about in the movie when the monster's up in the thing? It was just. Just shy of being a cross, definitely.

[D]

No, we called it the Crucifixion. There's even a thorn, you know, the metal thorns on the head?

[A]

No, totally. I thought it was cool. But was that a conscious choice of Guillermo or whoever to not make it a specific cross, but just at an angle, have it a little bit? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[D]

It wasn't an accident.

[C]

Now is. Is working with Guillermo del Toro everything that you would hope and think that it. That it is. He. He just strikes me as just such an infectiously enthusiastic and kind leader. Not to mention his. His creative abilities are just unmatched.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. I had. I was like a kid. There was just so much joy. It was so much. So much fun. It was this particular approach to it too, where, I mean, while he was writing it, he's like, I'm cabrona making you a banquet. He really did. It was just like a feast of stuff to do every day. We only spoke in Spanish to each other.

[A]

He would.

[D]

He would direct in jokes mostly, like dirty Mexican jokes, but also in like. And he was just ebulent, really funny. There was no whispering behind monitors. You know, it's like if there was a problem, everybody knew it. If something was great, everybody knew was just really, really fun, he would. And it's like zero pretension whatsoever. You know, he was. He'd be like, I need. I need a lot of jamon on this one with mustard and mayonnaise to make it go down easy. I just need you to look up and look right past the camera and hold it. Or he'd be like, I need you to. I need you to do the Maria Cristina, which is like a telenovela thing, you know, he's like, I need you to be in profile and then walk across a counter to him and then stop and turn around and look right. Super dramatic, you know, he's like, just give it to me. Give this. Make this one Mexican happy, you know?

[A]

I love that the scope of the movie is so massive. Like, how long was the shoot?

[D]

I mean, it. It spanned nearly eight months with.

[C]

Where was it.

[D]

There was a two month break where he shot miniatures in. In London. We shot it In Toronto and in the uk, Scotland and Crown.

[B]

When you do something like that with a director like that, who has such a vision. Right. And he has such a. But from what I understand from you, also a very collaborative spirit. Do you. Not to get sort of too. But do you. When you are in that. Your ability, what are the sort of. The parameters or are there any of sort of bringing stuff in your thoughts and feeling like you can just go out on a limb?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With a guy like him, is it just pretty wide open in that way?

[C]

It is.

[D]

Like, that was the one thought when I was going into it. I know he's an animator. I know, like, the visual language is so precise. And so I, you know, I went in expecting, like, all right, the constraints are going to be tight, but that's the. That's the job. But he actually was in. In a very different. He talks about, like, making the movie with Bradley really shifted him. Like, it really opened him up in, like, an amazing way. And he credits him.

[B]

Nightmare Alley.

[D]

Yeah, Nightmare Alley. He credits him a lot with, like, just him learning how to listen to the movie. He would talk a lot about that while we were shooting it just like the movie kind of tells you what it needs.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

In fact, at one point I was saying, like, hey, I don't, you know, I'm. I find myself like, am I not shaking it up enough? Am I not, like, being kind of dangerous enough and going out on a limb enough? And he's like, no, that's. That's an idea. It's like the movie kind of tells you what it needs and what, however you're responding is what it's needing. And if it's needing you to be this way, then. Then don't second guess that so much. He gave a lot of feeling to all of us of, like, you can't fail. I wrote this stuff for you. It's. There's nothing to, like, reach for.

[B]

Right.

[D]

Which was great. And also. But, you know. But also it was a very. It's a very specific kind of performance. He said, you know, it's not naturalistic. It's heightened. I want the speed of language, speed of thought. There's not a lot of pausing for you guys. It's kind of high camp and high melodrama and just all heart. Like, that's what he wants.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

He was really specific about the tone before you guys got started.

[B]

Yeah, that's helpful. That's really helpful. I bet.

[C]

For sure. Did he. Did he. Did he attempt to sort of give you a taste for that collectively, by doing any sort of, like, table reads ahead of time or rehearsals in a group on, like, around a table.

[D]

No, he didn't want to do that so much. We had. We did have one big table read with, like, the execs and all that, and that was it. I mean, he, you know, because he was quite protective of the script as he was writing it. You know, I think partly out of just like, a little insecurity as well. Like, I'm not sure it's quite there yet. And so he kept adjusting. And I mean, every day he was working, like, even behind the monitor, he was drawing his storyboards. He would be quilting the movie as we went along. Like, sometimes you would do a take and he would, like, put it right into the flow of the edit. So he would just show you. We did the last scene of the movie, and the next day he came in with, you know, Johan Johansson music on it and showed the edited scene to me.

[B]

How'd you, like, how did you like that or how did it affect what you were doing?

[C]

Well, that.

[D]

I mean, that example in particular was. Was interesting because, you know, it was the last scene of the movie. And so I want to try to talk about it without giving too much away of it. It's like a highly emotional crescendo of the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I spent the day, like, in the zone, like, listening to all my sad sack music and, you know, like, looking at pictures of sad times, you know, doing like, the full anti Mike Nicholas moment and.

[A]

Right. And this is in the Arctic.

[D]

This is. Yeah, in the ship.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And, you know, and, like, did, you know, and I went in and, like, didn't talk to anybody and lay down. We did this scene and there was tears and everybody was really happy, and Guillermo was, you know, high five, and, oh, yeah, we got it. And then the next day, he showed it to me, and I was like, I don't. I don't really buy it. Like, me, me. I was like, I don't. I was like, was that take five? I thought take five was the good take. He's like, that's take five cover. I was like, I don't think that's take five. And then we looked and take five. But then take five wasn't that much.

[B]

Better either, was it? Was it because you think that you came in with too much of that, too much of this and not listening to this.

[D]

Check out what happened. So then. Then. Then I was sitting there, and then Guillermo comes over and he's like, what's what's wrong. I was supposed to just do, like, a little insert of my hand, right. Grabbing his hand, and he was like, what's wrong? And I was like, I don't know, man. I'm feeling a little insecure. And he's like, well, you are an actor. I was like, I know, I know, but.

[B]

But.

[D]

But I just feel like, should I have looked up maybe when I said sorry or should I have done? I just. And he's like, no, no, no, no. You know, you were honest and you thought about your mom and you thought about all these things and that was there. And I was like, all right. Okay. And then I went away for, like, 30 minutes, and I was like, well, I just have to be a dead body for the rest of the day. And I came back, and he had set up a whole different thing. And I was like, what are we doing? He's like, we're going to do it again. We're going to do your close up again. And he's like, from yesterday? From yesterday. And he's like, you know what? It's okay. Like, we're going to see if, you know, we definitely have something. If you don't have anything, that's okay. I'll just make fun of you for the rest of your life, you know? Win, Win. And so I'll, like, really quickly. I'm, like, throwing on my earpods to try to, like, find a song to.

[A]

Get me sad again.

[D]

I'm trying to do all this shit, and I just. I didn't have any time. I, like, laid down and we did it and we did, like, four takes and it was way better. Just like, I didn't have time to try to, like, evoke anything.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Or like, it was, like, more sober. It was more severe. It just was like, it was just was.

[B]

You didn't have to bring a preconceived idea of what it should be as opposed to just letting it be.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And that's what's in. It's what's in the film, you know, I love that.

[C]

We'll be right back.

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[D]

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[A]

And now back to the show.

[B]

So.

[C]

But that. That adjustment in your performance came as a result of you watching what you were doing. And are you. Are you good about that? Because I. I'm sure you helped as many actors as we have. But. But some actors, they. They just. They don't watch themselves. They can't watch themselves. I learned so much from seeing how bad I am. Sometimes it's like, oh, don't do that anymore. Or you think it's coming across this way, but it actually comes across this way.

[D]

That's what it is. I asked Christoph Waltz, who's on it, right? It's like a legend. I asked him specifically about that, and he's like. Like he doesn't watch. He's like, because it's okay if you watch and you think it's not good. But the bad thing is when you watch and you think it's good.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And like, that can be way worse.

[A]

Why is that? Because then it's cut together and you're like, oh, maybe it wasn't that great.

[D]

Or there's just like a self consciousness or you think, you know, it's just for him. But, but this was. But there's many times when I've watched something and I'm like, I can do it better and I just. And I can't. You know, it's, it's in. So I don't know, man. I don't know. But, but that was, there was a moment there after I. That happened where I was like, well, I have to watch every take or every scene. I just. Right, right now, you know, it. I think. Yeah. I, it's. For me, it's not like a definitive sure thought of like one or the other.

[C]

I've also asked a bunch of people this, this question as well, but with all.

[B]

Are you single?

[C]

Yeah. And what is your sign? And you're rising with the incredible directors that you've worked with.

[D]

With.

[C]

Do you ever fantasize about cherry picking from each one of them and becoming a smoking director yourself?

[D]

Yeah, sometimes.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I mean, I thought originally that's what I kind of was more into. Like, I came into like acting all from like making movies with friends and doing that and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think about that sometimes.

[C]

Oh, that would.

[A]

You'd be incredible.

[C]

Please do.

[A]

You'd be great.

[B]

When you say think about sometimes, I wanted to. Do you have an idea in your mind of something that's kind of back there?

[D]

I don't. That's why, that's why I'm like, until that thing happens where it's like, I, you know, I think until that happens, what scares me a little bit is just, I'm incredibly indecisive as just a human being. Like even with a menu or with anything, I just get, I get just crippled with like, I don't, I don't know. So like someone being like red shirt or blue shirt, I'd be like, ah, I don't know. But, but, but I guess it's also a conversation. It's like, I don't know, what's the difference? You know, so kind of looking at it, maybe it's more of a conversation than a decision is.

[C]

Right, right, right.

[D]

How do you do that, Jason?

[C]

I mean, you, if I, I. When somebody told me once it's okay to say you don't know, it, it freed me up a lot like that. That's actually a great, a great answer. When they come to you with all those thousands of questions, you say, I'm going to come back to you on that. Give me A second to think about that.

[A]

That, yeah, it's okay to do that.

[C]

Yeah, it's alleviates a lot of the.

[B]

You mean in live, Sean, you're saying. Yeah, I know. I mean it. I'm being serious.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I think it's a really important life. I, I do it too. Also, when people go, they want an answer, I'm like, well, I, I, I, Somebody told me, like, I don't have to answer them on their timeline.

[A]

That's right. Yeah. I only learned it in, like, last 10 years where I've said, I don't.

[B]

Know, I don't know, a year ago.

[A]

I don't know what that word means. I don't know what you're talking about. What? Can you repeat what you just said? Like, yeah, I, I don't care anymore.

[C]

Anymore.

[A]

But the, I want to get back to. Well, I don't care about being perceived as like this. Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.

[D]

Help me with, like, the not remembering people. Like, I, I just go out on a limb and I'll try. I'll think, I think your name is this. Oh, no, if I'm wrong, it's okay. They say, they say, no, it's not Kathy, it's Melissa. And I'm like, sorry.

[B]

I go a step further, Oscar. I go, I think your name should be this. Sign the name.

[A]

Wait, so a little more of your personal stuff, Oscar, if you don't mind. Like, your wife is this Elvira Lynn? She's beautiful, talented, incredible documentary filmmaker.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, she's incredible. Incredible. And she. I just saw the trailer and I did not know this until I was researching you for King Hamlet, which I can't wait to watch. It's you playing. What is it? Is it the making of the play Hamlet? And it's following you around from about the process, from rehearsal to. Is that what it is?

[D]

Yeah. So in 2017, it was this crazy confluence of things that happened where my mother passed away in February. My. We got married in March. In April, our first child was born. And in April, I started rehearsals for Hamlet, like this four hour version of.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Hamlet's thing that I, you know, was working on for like 12 years. And so her being a documentary filmmaker and having a new baby and like, just kind of not knowing how to process this, you know, she's from Denmark too, and she's kind of thrust into this whole other world of stuff. She just started picking up a camera and started filming. You know, around that time before, before that, we were also filming, like, I would play Music. And she would, like, film little music videos, and we would put them on Vimeo and stuff. And. And so it was kind of a natural extension of that. And so she just started filming because the idea was she was gonna film some of the. The making of this project. And when all this stuff started happening, she just kept filming. So, like, when I went down to my mom for hospice, she was kind of there, and I told her, you know, this. The only way we can do this is if it's okay if this never sees the light of day as well. And she said, yeah, of course. Of course. I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm just filming because I don't know what the fuck else to do. And so that's what we did. And she filmed this whole process and then put it away. And then about a year ago, took out the hard drives and started looking through it and started piecing it together with her great editor that she's working.

[A]

Really cool.

[D]

And then she kind of came up with this kind of beautiful movie about what kind of what we do. Right. Which is like, how you deal with your life and how those things intertwine and.

[A]

Yeah. Did she.

[C]

Did she. Did she say to you, hey, remember that thing we said we'd never show the light of day? I'm working on it. Did she tell you.

[D]

Yeah, she showed like.

[E]

Or.

[C]

Or did she show you something first?

[D]

She showed me something first. She's like, hey, I've been putting this thing together. What do you think of this? And, yeah, and I watched it. I was like, I don't know what I think of that, but keep going, you know? Keep.

[A]

Keep going.

[C]

Oh, that's really cool. And with a newborn on her hip the entire time. Yeah, she sounds incredible, Michael.

[D]

Yeah, she's incredible. Yeah. And she shot it as well. And it's very. It's very funny, too, because it's just. It's the absurdity of everything that's happening.

[B]

And must have been very vulnerable to. To watch that.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, to watch it again. I hadn't seen any of that footage, especially with my mom and our family. And, you know, it was. Yeah, it was really, really intense, but really proud of her for doing it.

[C]

How did you guys. How did you guys meet? Was it a Juilliard?

[D]

No, no, no.

[B]

She.

[D]

She happened to be in New York working on something.

[C]

Right.

[D]

And it was like a movie she had finished, and it was like some. Some after party for it. And my manager at the time was like, you got to come to this party. And I was like, I'm not. I am preparing for my Coen Brothers movie. I'm not gonna go to this thing. He's like, dude, there's this chick.

[B]

You gotta.

[D]

You just gotta come. And I was like, all right, but I'm gonna go dressed as Lou and Davis.

[C]

Cat and my guitar.

[D]

Yeah, well, this is before I had started. Right. But I dressed in the outfit, and I was like. And I'm gonna go. And I'm gonna, like. I'm gonna try to do this thing where I. I can project warmth without. Without smiling. I want to see if I can do it, you know?

[B]

Sure.

[D]

Or, like, tell a joke, but not laugh to let anybody know it's a joke. And let's see what happens, you know?

[B]

Wow. And.

[D]

And so I went in and I was, like, sitting there with my fingerless gloves and eating, and nobody else was eating. And.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

And her being like a, you know, a documentarian was like, who's this little brown weirdo, you know, in the corner?

[B]

And.

[D]

And, like, comes over and starts talking to me. And, And, And. And then I told her I was a musician. No way.

[B]

No way.

[D]

Yeah, perhaps.

[A]

Perhaps you've heard of the closet heterosexuals.

[D]

At one point, she's like, are you. I can't tell. Are you flirting with me? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I am a.

[A]

That's cute. I love that.

[D]

That's how it started.

[C]

You're not. Are you. Are you a cat guy? I'm sure you asked. You. I bet they bet. That was the question at the junket, wasn't it?

[D]

That was the question.

[C]

Do you play guitar? And are you a cat guy?

[D]

It's so funny. Like, a lot of these things that I'm saying, too. Like, I do realize. I do. They're anecd. That I have said before, and so.

[C]

But they're noodles.

[D]

Like, after you say. I don't know if you guys get this, but, like, saying anecdotes after a while, you feel like. I think I'm lying.

[C]

Right.

[D]

I said this so much. I don't think this is true.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

For sure, John.

[B]

Hang on. Star Wars. We'll get to it.

[A]

I know, I know, but, but. And Ex Machina. Dune. I know. I can't wait.

[D]

I, I, I, I. I used to think that I could speak to cats. So I would, like, go to the backyard and, like, meow a lot, and cats would come.

[B]

Yeah, hang on a second. Let's just pause in here for a second. Oscar. Elaborate.

[C]

That was it.

[D]

It was just like.

[C]

And they would.

[B]

That's why you like the joke. That's why you like the joke so much.

[A]

All right, I don't have a lot of time.

[C]

Hit it with the sci fi.

[A]

I don't have a lot of time. I got to get through this stuff because I want to know about Ex Machina.

[B]

Ex machina. Incredible.

[A]

Listen to me. I've seen it like 10 times. I know. I know every line, Scotty. And I quote it all the time. You know, we still go, Kyoko, go, go. Right. That made me laugh. Sorry. Wait, so it came out in 2014?

[D]

Yeah. How crazy.

[A]

Can you believe the relevance it has today?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Alex Garland, he's just wild, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. He keyed into this thing. And even the way that we gather information, you know, he talked. You know, Nathan, the character I play, talks about like. Well, yeah, you know, I'm gonna. I gather all the signals from all the cell phones and I get it all. And that's how.

[A]

I mean, everything you talked about in the movie is happening right now. It's crazy.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I just.

[B]

Yeah. I wonder, does that occur to you when you see stuff or you're reading stuff that's going on in the world and you go, yeah, yeah, like, I was there.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was it. But it felt like that when I read the script. And then Alex Garland and I kept, like talking about it and working on it, we would look at it from every angle and look at, like the current. Current, you know, literature and everything that was going on at the time. And it just. It felt like completely locked in. And.

[A]

Yeah, it's amazing how it holds up.

[B]

Alex Garland is. I mean, this guy. I mean.

[C]

Yeah, right. Well, let's hope not all your films are harbingers. Dune is a pretty bleak look into our future, but now, incredible film.

[A]

My God, amazing. And you're amazing in it. And I, Denis Villeneuve, like, you get to. You get all the. You get all the great ones that you get to work with. I read this. I want you to tell the guys, if you want to. I can tell it. Which is one of the best pranks I've ever heard of on any film Shoot on Dune, when you. After the nude scene.

[D]

Speaking of dance belts.

[A]

Speaking of dance belts.

[D]

Go ahead, you tell it, Sean.

[A]

Well, it's called. What is it really called? You call it a sock, Right?

[D]

Well. Or a modesty sock.

[A]

Modesty stock. Modesty stock.

[B]

Not every cause of that, but. Yeah.

[A]

I'm going to get it wrong, but you. You. You Left your. So you did the scene and you had a, quote, modesty sock on, and you put it in Denis. Jacket pocket. Right.

[C]

And his chest pocket.

[A]

And he later pulled it out.

[D]

Yeah, well, I left, and then I got a picture of him holding it like, what the fuck?

[A]

At the dinner table after the take. That's hilarious.

[D]

He says, this is true. That MoMA asked for.

[B]

For it. Oh, my God. Oh, really?

[A]

Really? Well, they'd be smart to get it. Hopefully they got a wall big enough or.

[D]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Good for you. Good for you. Good for you.

[C]

Shawnee, anything on Star Wars?

[A]

Yeah, just the dumb question. The obvious questions. Are you a fan?

[C]

Right.

[B]

Tattoo in a real place.

[A]

Look at this.

[B]

What's Darth Vader like in the morning?

[A]

No, the basic question is, were you a fan? Were you freaked out that you got the part? Like, was it. Were you a huge fan as a kid?

[D]

No, but my family were huge. Huge fans. Like, collectors. And my uncle in particular was massive.

[A]

Massive.

[C]

She loved making that phone call.

[D]

Oh, man, that phone call was. It was great.

[A]

And he came.

[D]

He was an extra. A couple times he got to. I remember I brought him and he. You know, he died a couple years ago, which was, you know, so rest in peace. But it was the most amazing thing. Like, I brought him and, like, I couldn't find him, and he was, like, in Carrie Fisher's trailer just, like, hanging out.

[A]

Yeah, that's crazy to me. That's crazy. I mean, Scotty and I just visited the set of the new Star wars movie with Shawn Levy directing when I was in London, and we got to go to the creature shop. I mean, we. That's like, everything we're for. I don't know if you're into that, but I was just like. It's so. It's so cool that you were part of the reboot of this franchise. You were the first part of the reboot. I mean, wild. And look at where it's at now. It's like last night at the dinner table, chasing. And we're all sitting around, and out of nowhere I go, has anybody seen the trailer for Mandalorian and Grogu? Just silence. Nobody.

[C]

Except I said, I seen it, and it's fantastic.

[A]

Yes. I can't wait to see that movie.

[C]

And didn't you say. Yeah. That you have not seen the trailer or you refuse to see the trailer?

[A]

Me? No. God, I saw it, like, 10 times.

[C]

Or something like that.

[A]

No, no, no, I saw it.

[D]

That.

[A]

I love it.

[C]

Oh, no. There was a. The guy I. I was with yesterday Said that he, he, he will not see it yet because it'll get his. He won't see it until it's closer to release because he's just going to get too excited.

[D]

He can't sustain the excitement level.

[A]

Yeah. All right, Rapid fire before we let you go. Ready?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If we were roommates for a week, what would be the one? Oscar Isaac Cork that would drive me insane. And what's the one that I would love? You.

[C]

Sean.

[B]

Sean. Look at you.

[D]

Do I. I don't really cook. I mean, I can cook, but I don't cook a lot, so.

[C]

So Sean's not happy with that. What would he love?

[D]

God, what would drive you. You wouldn't love that? I don't cook very much. What would you love? I, I.

[A]

Theater stories.

[D]

Theater stories. Hugs. I'm very affectionate.

[B]

Oh, he loves.

[A]

Hug.

[B]

There you go.

[C]

Inappropriate, unnecessary.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Impromptu hug.

[B]

Hugs.

[C]

Who's.

[A]

Who? Who's board game? You, Jessica Chastain or Ethan Hawk?

[D]

Oh, I guess it depends on the board game, but you know, Scrabble.

[C]

How about Scrabble?

[D]

Sure, sure. I'm gonna go with Ethan because, you know, he's like a poet and a writer and he's just, you know, that's kind of.

[C]

I can't wait to see his show.

[D]

Individually, he's.

[B]

Yes, I know. Me too. He's so incredible. That. Yeah.

[C]

Love him.

[A]

And you. I love that you. I read that you improvise lullabies for your two sons.

[C]

No.

[A]

What, you just sit there with a. You sit there with a guitar and you just make up songs for them?

[D]

I. I did. Well now, so it's funny because, like, I did that for a while and then they were like, please stop.

[C]

And so they got old enough to say stop.

[D]

Yeah, they just didn't, like, whenever I would, like, play guitar or sing. And that went away for a bit. But recently in the last year, it's. I just bought this looper pedal. So, like, we've got this, you know, I'll just kind of show you a little bit. Like, we got, like, little drums here.

[B]

Look at this.

[A]

Guitars.

[D]

There's the looper pedal down there. And so we've just been making a lot of music together.

[C]

How old are they?

[D]

He's gonna turn six. Mads is gonna turn six on Sunday and Eugene is eight.

[B]

Oh, my.

[C]

Prime time.

[B]

I know. That's so good to get them into that young. And how old are we when you start playing piano?

[A]

5.

[C]

Really?

[B]

There you go. Yeah.

[A]

What do they do? They. Have they seen dad's movies or Anything?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, they've seen some of them. They've seen Star Wars. Eugene was actually asking me about Star wars yesterday.

[C]

How are they with the notes? Are they kind with the notes or.

[D]

They're a little tough with the notes, I gotta say.

[C]

Kids are tough.

[A]

I can't say enough about you and Frankenstein. I just think it's an incredible performance. It blew me away.

[C]

I can't say enough about you and everything, Austin, including this interview. You're. You're fantastic. And you're very nice to join us. Really, really cool.

[D]

Thanks, guys. And I will. I can't wait to see what you did in that movie, man.

[C]

Where do you see that? He and Bradley just rocked it.

[B]

Thanks, man. No, you're one of the. You're one of the great. You're one of our greats, man. For real, Oscar, the. And you're a great dude. We've. We hung out a couple times. You're such a great dude. It's so great to see you, man.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, thank you for being here. Enjoy the rest of your day. Good luck with Frank and we're all going to go see. Thank you, Oscar.

[A]

Thanks, buddy.

[D]

Thanks, guys.

[B]

Thanks, Oscar.

[C]

Bye, pal.

[D]

Bye.

[C]

Well, that was tough saying good night to Oscar there. I could talk to him forever.

[A]

Oh, my God. He's in so many of my favorite movies. I mean, that Ex Machina is just incredible. But wait, do you see Frankenstein?

[B]

I can't wait.

[E]

Wait.

[A]

Incredible.

[B]

Everything that guy does is so incredible.

[A]

I know. How is somebody so good? I know.

[B]

He's so good. It's all I have to say. I'm like, blown away. I'm literally. We're all thinking here about all his different performances. You're like, oh, yeah, he's so good at that. Oh, he's so good in that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Do you think it's something in the water at Juilliard or do you think they come in.

[B]

I think they do a pretty good job of vetting and know there aren't. But what we should do is we should do an episode where we have the people from Juilliard who never did.

[D]

Right, right.

[B]

To have them on.

[C]

Or the people that didn't make it in, you know, or the people didn't.

[B]

Was us. So there's three of us.

[A]

There's a. There's the first three.

[B]

Doesn't get shittier than us. And then.

[A]

Do you think they. Yeah. Do you think they do, like. Do you think they teach people musicals and. And Juilliard?

[B]

Like, what? Like, can you think of any of the top of your your head like.

[A]

Maybe like Bye Bye Birdie.

[B]

Why don't you commit to it?

[A]

Oh, Bye Bye Birdie.

[D]

Bye Bye Bye Birdie.

[B]

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