STAYING ALIVE: Will Arnett, Part 1!

Summary

SMARTLESS – "STAYING ALIVE: Will Arnett, Part 1!"
Episode Date: February 26, 2026
Host: Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Will Arnett
Guest Interview on "Staying Alive" with John Gabrus and Adam Pally
Summary by SmartLess Podcast Summarizer

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Episode Overview

This special episode of SmartLess features Will Arnett as the guest, sitting down with John Gabrus and Adam Pally for their health and wellness podcast "Staying Alive." The conversation is candid and hilarious, focusing on the realities of getting older, navigating health changes, coping with fame, and taking on new creative challenges. The hosts probe Will about fitness, diet, comedy, being perceived as a boss, and what it’s like to be taken seriously in Hollywood—while never straying far from an opportunity for irreverent humor or self-deprecation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Will’s Health Journey—Aging, Diet, and Keeping Fit

• Grappling with Getting Older & Staying Healthy

  • Will candidly admits to recent efforts to maintain health after hitting 50, sharing the harsh reality that "it gets hard when you’re over 50" and that willpower alone isn't enough anymore. [11:36]
  • He describes meeting with a nutritionist after an agent suggested it—humorously noting the discomfort of having his eating habits analyzed. [11:07 – 12:19]
  • The core of Will’s updated regimen: cutting out sugar, restraining carbs, eating lots of protein, and allowing only one cheat meal a week, not a cheat day. [15:02, 16:54]

• Memorable Quote:

  • Will Arnett: "I ended up cutting out basically sugar, which is my number one, I think my number one addiction. Because I won't, because I'm not addicted to cigarettes and they're addicted to me." [13:57]

• Exercise Routine & Real Talk on Struggles

  • Will jokes about combat sports being his main exercise ("I just do, you know, street fighting, mainly. A lot of street fighting." [17:17]) but actually mixes in boxing, long walks, hikes, and light kettlebell work.
  • Emphasizes that it’s all "pretty light" and self-motivated—no trainer, and consistency is key. [17:34 – 18:12]
  • Shares a nutrition tip from his diet coach: eating berries or sorbet 40 minutes before bed for better sleep and satisfaction. [18:12 – 18:44]

Addictions, Moderation & Facing Health Realities

• Conversations on Alcohol and Nicotine

  • Will openly discusses having quit drinking and the positive impact it’s had, noting how studies keep finding new negatives with alcohol. [19:29 – 19:56]
  • Discusses, with humor and realism, his ongoing battle with smoking and new attempts at moderation with products like Zyn (nicotine pouches). [20:07 – 21:22]
  • The hosts commiserate about downplaying unhealthy habits to doctors, poking fun at shared self-delusions. [12:19 – 13:43]

• Notable Moment:

  • Will Arnett: "Cigarettes and I are synergistic. Help each other. They've never lied to me...they always told me what they were going to do." [14:19]
  • John Gabrus, riffing: "My version of that is I switched from a joint and a bourbon to a joint and a chamomile tea...and I'm going to sleep like a baby." [18:58]

Tattoos & Public Image—Comedy and Outrage

• The Tattoos Controversy

  • Will recounts a viral faux-pas: joking on a UK podcast that "the more tattoos you have, the more boring you are." The joke led to outrage and became a news item, which Will finds both absurd and hilarious. [03:56 – 05:33]
  • Ultimately, Will reinforces that it was just "a bit" and that overreacting sort of proves the joke’s point. [04:38]
  • The room’s consensus: everyone has their quirks; no one is taking themselves too seriously.

• Memorable Quotes:

  • Will Arnett: "It's crazy when you realize that bullshit is news." [04:59]
  • Will Arnett: "If you're insulted by it, then you're proving my point. But the truth is, I don't have a point." [04:38]

Will Arnett’s Transition: Comedy, Drama & “Is This Thing On”

• Taking Comedy Seriously:

  • Will discusses the oddity of promoting “Is This Thing On,” a more dramatic film, after years of being known for comedy. He describes the tension of wanting to undercut himself for laughs while doing a serious, earnestly crafted project. [28:31 – 32:13]
  • Talks about writing and workshopping the film for over seven years with Bradley Cooper and Mark Chaplin. [29:18]
  • Relates advice from a supportive interviewer—acknowledge it’s meaningful work and don’t be afraid to claim it.

• Working with Bradley Cooper & Process

  • Provides details about the trust and intensity of collaborating with Cooper, both in writing and in performing: "You gotta throw it all away...all this kind of shit. It was dope, man. As scary as that is." [43:43 – 44:27]
  • Shares that Cooper operated the camera, taking a Soderbergh-style hands-on approach, and how this fostered a deeply engaged, vulnerable atmosphere on set. [43:52]

• Notable Quotes:

  • Will Arnett: "It’s hard for me to be that earnest in a way...my instinct is to like undercut myself for the sake of comedy and to not come across as like a guy who..." [29:49 & 32:07]
  • Adam Pally: "The questions are like...why did you do this? Or what is the message? Or what was the process like? And you're like...well, actually, the process was pretty serious." [29:54 – 30:52]
  • Will Arnett (on collaborating with Bradley Cooper): "He's an incredible filmmaker...His capacity for all of it is so insane. And his concentration and his focus is so intense in the best way." [32:20 – 32:23]

• Navigating Awards Season and Perspective

  • Will opens up about how it felt not to receive awards recognition for the film, and a heartwarming moment with his 15-year-old son who offered sage advice:
    • "Don’t let the fact that that happened ruin what you think about this great movie that you made, Dad." [34:14]
  • The group laughs about the absurdity and pressure of Hollywood and the press machine.

Behind The Scenes: Stand Up, Improv, and Hollywood Friendship

• Stand-Up Immersion for Film

  • Will describes his "method-acting-style" immersion, developing his stand-up character Alex Novak at the Comedy Cellar, using a fake name, and resisting his improvisational urge to go for laughs. [35:14 – 41:58]
  • The camaraderie and trust with co-writer Bradley Cooper helped him stick to the discipline required. [42:43]

• Improv vs. Standup

  • Adam Pally and John Gabrus riff on their improv backgrounds and how fundamentally different/improvisational muscles don’t totally map onto stand-up.
  • Will reflects on wishing he’d had more improv exposure starting out.

New Opportunities and Life Perspectives

• Post-Drama Opportunities
  • Will teases he just finished a project with Tony Gilroy and Pedro Pascal, opening up a more varied menu of roles now that he’s no longer pigeonholed. [46:04]
  • Reflects on being less precious about work at 55: wants to do meaningful things that "feel valuable" and only what he "responds to." [46:04 – 46:36]
  • Credits the SmartLess podcast with Jason and Sean as scratching much of his comedy itch, so doesn’t feel compelled to chase pure comedy in acting gigs anymore. [47:38]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Fitness & Diet

  • Will Arnett on new habits:
    "I ended up cutting out basically sugar, which is my number one, I think my number one addiction. Because I won't, because I'm not addicted to cigarettes and they're addicted to me." [13:57]

• On Humor and Self-Awareness

  • Will Arnett on public outrage:
    "It's crazy when you realize that bullshit is news." [04:59]

• On Comedy vs. Drama

  • Will Arnett:
    "It’s hard for me to be that earnest in a way...my instinct is to like undercut myself for the sake of comedy and to not come across as like a guy who..." [32:07]

  • Adam Pally:
    "The questions are like...why did you do this? Or what is the message? Or what was the process like? And you're like...well, actually, the process was pretty serious." [29:54]

• On Artistic Discipline

  • Will Arnett, on being directed by Bradley Cooper:
    "We're doing something different...We're here to do this. This is the job. And so go out there and do the material as Alex and do Alex's material..." [41:58]

• On Parental Wisdom

  • Will’s son:
    "Don’t let the fact that that happened ruin what you think about this great movie that you made, Dad." [34:14]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Viral Tattoo Joke Reaction – [03:56 – 05:33]
• Will’s Health and Nutrition Journey – [11:07 – 18:44]
• Addictions & Moderation (Cigarettes, Zyn, Alcohol) – [19:29 – 21:22]
• Taking Comedy Seriously, Awards Season, and "Is This Thing On" – [28:31 – 34:14]
• Immersion in Stand-Up for Acting – [35:14 – 42:43]
• Discussing Artistic Trust and Collaboration with Bradley Cooper – [42:43 – 44:27]
• Perspective on Meaningful Work / New Projects – [46:04 – 47:38]

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Tone and Style

The episode is freewheeling and irreverent with frequent comedic asides, but sincere when delving into personal change, creative discipline, and the tug-of-war between humility and pride. Will, Gabrus, and Pally frequently break into bits and self-deprecation, laughing about the absurdity of the entertainment business while offering unexpectedly poignant insights into personal and professional growth.

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To hear Will Arnett’s routines, his kids’ comedy talents, and more, listeners are prompted to catch the second half on the "Staying Alive" feed.

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This summary covers the core content, skipping ads and outro credits to focus on the in-depth, candid conversation between creative friends navigating health, aging, and Hollywood together—always with laughs along the way.

Transcript

[A]

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Hey, smartless listeners, it's John Gabris, one of the hosts of Staying Alive, a health and wellness podcast hosted by the unhealthy and unwell. That's Adam Pally and I and we've got Will Arnett on pod. Today. We got to spend some QT interviewing our pod father and we went deep with him about is this thing on Bradley Cooper, Eating Right, Fitness, sugar, all the stuff we cover on our show. So please enjoy the first part of the interview with Will and if you like what you hear, come on over to Staying Alive and hear the second half. Hit subscribe or follow while you're there. Hey, Will, thanks for. Thanks for doing this.

[C]

Oh, dude, thank you so much. Gents, how you doing, dude?

[D]

You look good.

[C]

You look awesome.

[B]

Look at that facial hair.

[D]

Really? Oh, thanks.

[B]

Yeah, you got some. You got sun. Yeah, you got some sun and you got some Iron Man.

[D]

Yeah, I was just shipwrecked. Nice. You don't hear about it that often anymore about people being shipwrecked. It's fucking old school.

[B]

But I knew I had to do Staying Alive, so I paddled to shore to make sure I did this stupid podcast.

[C]

I hope that the intro music. Are we allowed to play other artists intro music or it just has to be ours?

[B]

I think we should keep it to be just ours.

[C]

Oh, okay. So it would be cool if to. It would be cool if today we could play something from Bruce Springsteen because

[B]

the Boss is here as our boss is here. He does not like. We will learn that he does not like to be called the boss, but he is our God Father.

[C]

He is the boss.

[B]

Will Arnett on the podcast today, big guest. So we're not going to go into a long, cold open because we don't want to turn off anyone who's here to hear Will and not understand that it's.

[C]

It's for anyone new. Welcome. We hope that you. You can learn a little something about what it takes to stay alive as you get older. And you don't necessarily play by the

[D]

rules all the time.

[B]

Yeah, well, without further ado, I'm learning French. Will Arnett, is that your next duolingo trio lingo?

[D]

The podcast lately? Oh, I've been feeling a little podcast burn lately. I've just stuck.

[B]

Oh, yeah, no, of course not. Advertisers, we love it. But it's.

[D]

So I made a joke.

[C]

Working your ass off.

[D]

I mean, I did this podcast with this guy in the uk. He's so fun. I mean, I forget how long ago it was, like, whatever, a couple months ago. And do you know this dude? Romesh? Yeah, this comedian. He's so funny. He's really, really funny. So this podcast, and he asked me and I told him this, like, I have this controversial position. I said, there's a direct tattoos.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And I said, the more feed the more tattoos you are. The more you have, the more boring you are. Now here I was very clear.

[C]

A.

[D]

It's something that I've said to my friends with. I don't have any. That I've said to my friends with tattoos for years. And it's basically a bit. Right.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

But I say that people are freaking out and the comments and the thing. And then I'm like, what a boring response. If you're insulted by it, then you're proving my point. But the truth is, I don't have a point. I didn't even mean it because I have a million friends who are covered with tattoos and people are insulted by it. It's insanity.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's crazy when you realize that bullshit is news. Like, all of a sudden you're like, will Arnett says they did have a guy on smart list that they didn't air or whatever.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

This goes everywhere. And you're like, who. Who is. Who is this matter to? What even matter to Will?

[D]

You look at you. It doesn't matter to me at all.

[B]

It matters to podcast podcasts.

[D]

Most of. Most of them are just to fuck around in the moment. Right? And then you're like, let's read this back in court. So your theory on tattoo. It was not a theory. It's a bit.

[B]

You said you are. You love to go swimming with bow legged women. Is that correct? It's like I was a fucking movie.

[C]

Any time you get like, even. This is all a net loss. Like, this can only hurt.

[D]

This can only hurt.

[B]

That's why we are so thankful that you're coming on our podcast. Because it's only. It's just loss. It's just a minefield of like.

[D]

That's a very loose. Yeah,

[C]

well, if you're not our boss, that means Rich is our boss. And that is a problem.

[D]

That is. You're right, by the way. That's a problem for everybody.

[B]

If you prefer the term pod father, we could do that too.

[D]

Oh, I like that.

[C]

You know what I wanted to ask you will like, please be about tattoos.

[D]

Please be about tattoos.

[B]

No, you're talking to guys who have matching tattoos. We are. We are wildly boring.

[C]

I can give a fuck about. When I saw that, he was like, you know what? He's kind of right. I am a drag.

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[C]

My head goes instantly too. Because now you're like a dramatic leading man is to.

[E]

What?

[C]

Like, do you feel. How are you thin? How. How are you looking? Like this.

[D]

Oh, oh, oh.

[C]

Physically and phys. Oh yeah. Like how? Because, because the. Our show is about staying alive. Like, because we're too out of shape or better in shape now we're. Yeah, we're doing pretty.

[B]

I don't know if it's the show or like dark medical revelations in our lives.

[D]

You guys look good.

[B]

Yeah, I'm like down £20.

[D]

See?

[A]

Wild.

[B]

Yeah, I'm under 300 for the first time in like 10 years. It feels amazing. Yeah, I might have to start buying new budgie smugglers,

[C]

but like. So what are you. What are you doing to stay alive? Like, are you. Because I have a text exchange that you and I have that I found on my phone today for over the summer that I could read to you

[D]

that we might have to edit.

[C]

I don't think we do.

[D]

It's pretty.

[C]

I don't think we do.

[D]

Okay, it's pretty.

[C]

It's pretty base. And it heads into. The question starts with Long island baby, where you at? Headed to Ruby Rosa to eat my weight in red sauce. What are you doing? No can do on pizza, but let's hang out this week. Then I wrote back, what are you doing to keep that Walton Goggins physique? And then. Yeah, you wrote back, I start by not eating, then I smoke a couple butts. Repeat every day.

[B]

And as always, we are not doctors on this show.

[C]

Do not take anything struggles. Who struggles with everything, including the smoking.

[B]

Yeah, I'm blood type marinara at this point. So I get it. I get.

[D]

I, I'm. Yeah, it's. It's that old school diet, man of right. I look, I look, I think a lot of people. I look like that dude who, like, now that I'm looking on the thing here, I look like that dude who's like kind of tan and smokes butts and drinks coffee.

[B]

I became coffee place place chess.

[D]

I became the guy that I used to go to my buddies. Hey, look at that guy, right?

[C]

We all do.

[B]

That's who I aspire to be.

[C]

Look at me. I look like fogging Mark Marin drowned in a pool.

[B]

Yeah, I look like an offensive lineman in court for a fucking du.

[D]

I lock the gates.

[B]

How come you didn't lock the gates? I drowned in the pool.

[D]

Jesus Christ. Jesus. I. You know what the truth is about. What are we about? About 18 months ago, one of my agents was like, hey, you should go talk to this doctor. Like, out of the blue.

[B]

Not out of the blue. Out of the blue for you. But that's something that was on the agent's mind.

[C]

Nothing is ever out of the blue, man.

[D]

Meanwhile, like, the CAA had a morning meeting about my weight, and they go. And he goes, you should go see this dude who's basically like a nutritionist and talk. He's like, what? So I was so. And that's a true story. And I was like, you know, I think I always was able to stay thin. And then I got over 50. And as you know, like, it just. It gets hard when you're over 50. It's just. And they're like, so I'm gonna eat what I want, but I'll just work out. And then you just get massive. So I was like, what do I do? So I went to see this guy, and he helped me look at the stuff I was eating. And he was like, okay. And, like, you know, you tell him. He's like, how. What do you. You know, you tell him, like, it's not that bad. And then you tell me. He's like, wow, that's terrible. And you're like, oh, shit, really?

[C]

Right.

[B]

The worst with those kind of situations is when you downplay what you're doing, and they still say it's bad. You're like, yeah, I have, like, two beers, like, a couple of nights a week, and they're like, that's really bad. I'm like, oh, I was lying already.

[D]

That's good. I did that once years ago when I used to drink. And this guy said, I went to this doctor. I could tell. And I go, this is like early 90s. And he goes, how much do you drink? And I said, I'm thinking, like, what is going to be? I go, probably six drinks a week. He's like, that's a lot. And I'm thinking, that's before I go out. I have six drinks.

[C]

That's a day.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So Adam and I are very adjusted to telling a doctor, not cigarettes whenever they ask you smoke.

[C]

I don't do that anymore. I've regressed. I've regressed, so I can't even do that anymore. Now I'm lying about cigarettes. To a doctor in New Zealand who's, like, filling out a physical. I'm like, sitting at, like, the. In order to get to set. They're like, a doctor's going to come in here. You all right with that? I'm like, yeah, whatever. Guy comes in, he's like, says, he three to five drinks a day. I was like, I don't, no, I don't know.

[D]

I don't know. I didn't even fill that out.

[C]

Somebody else wrote that when they saw me.

[B]

Well, it's, it's metric down here. Right? So, yeah, it's not actually the same amount.

[D]

Yeah. And a day. You mean tomorrow? Because tomorrow is, is our yesterday, so.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, we're not doing time zones.

[C]

Okay. Next thing I know, he's like writing like psychopathic convers Conversation.

[D]

Borderline personality disorder.

[C]

Yeah, borderline.

[D]

I, I and so the truth is actually, so I, I, I, I cut, I ended up cutting out basically sugar, which is my number one, I think my number one addiction. Because I won't, because I'm not addicted to cigarettes and they're addicted to me.

[B]

Yeah, cigarettes and I are synergistic. Help each other.

[D]

They've never let me down. They've never lied to me. They always told me what they were going to do.

[C]

Meanwhile, they're like lying to you from the moment.

[D]

I know, I know.

[C]

I, I, I was going to say like sugar. When you say no sugar, like, how strict are we talking? Are we talking like, no, like su, you go out to sushi, you're doing sashimi.

[D]

Yeah, basically when I'm really doing it in. So I go, I eat. Oh, God, it's so boring. But not on this podcast. I know, I know.

[B]

Also, we're kind of live in the

[C]

boring world, so don't let a bunch of tattoos, man. This is the I'm into.

[D]

Right?

[E]

Right.

[D]

It's so good. It's so good.

[B]

You're like, I hated that this blurb went around and we've brought it up 11 times.

[D]

No, I, I love it because it's so dumb. Because it was so meaningless. Romesh is laughing.

[C]

You know what I took from that clip is like, Ramesh is like, he's like, I have a laug tattoos. Am I boring? And I wanted to be like, no, but the apple watch is making you bo.

[B]

We should be.

[D]

Tattoos are fine.

[C]

It's the apple watch.

[D]

So you, you, you, I basically, like,

[B]

I was that difficult. Like, do you have any hat, anything that you did for yourself? Like any substitutes or anything like that

[D]

that were like, dude, dude, I'm, I'm addicted to ice cream. I, I love ice cream. Like my favorite sweet. It's my favorite. So, so I'm like, every day for me is like a nine year old's birthday party leading up to this. When I, every day you'd be like, what Are you doing? And so I had to, like, go. So I had to go. To answer your question, I didn't even go for sushi because I couldn't. I was too nervous that I wanted to eat the rice. Right. So then I just. So every day I'd wake up, and eventually I started. I was doing, like, I always do, like, a little bit of oats and then some berries and whatever. And then, like, a little snack. And then lunch. I have a salad with. With chicken. And then at dinner, I have to have, like 18 ounces of protein, fish or meat and some veggies. And then actually, there's a crazy thing here. So I did that. And then eventually he and I could have a cup of rice with lunch. Then he got. And then, like, 45 days into it, he's like, now you got to cut all the carbs. So now I have none. And I don't have a cheat day. I have a cheat meal. Once a week. Every seven days, I have one cheat meal. Jesus. Yeah. And he's like, don't go downtown on your go uptown. Meaning, like, don't eat a bunch of crap on your cheat meal. Don't go to, like, Taco Bell and McDonald'.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Have a nice. Yeah, have a nice dessert that doesn't have, like, a bunch of preservatives in it. And so I've kind of stayed to that for the last year and a half, and I've had a couple times where I haven't been able to, but for the most part, I've stuck with it and exercised at the same time, and it's been pretty good. Here's a cool thing that he taught me.

[C]

What kind of exercise are we doing?

[D]

I just do, you know, street fighting, mainly. A lot of street fighting.

[B]

Your kimbo slice. In the backyards of Florida, it's hard

[D]

to find a good gym. Hard to find a good gym.

[C]

It's easy to find a street fight.

[D]

I'm doing, you know, I do pretty light in terms of the gym. Pretty light. I was doing this thing where I was like. And I do it. I don't do it as much anymore just because of time or whatever. But I was doing this boxing thing called fight camp, and Thoreau turned me onto it. And it's like, you get like a. It's almost like peloton for boxing that I look like the. I'm into it losers boxer of all time.

[C]

I'm the worst in there. I'm the worst in there.

[D]

But the cardio of it was really great. So. So I Do that a couple days a week. I do these, like, sort of long walks and. Or hikes, and then I do stuff with, like, kettlebell. Pretty light stuff.

[C]

Just.

[B]

You had a trainer. Are you doing this on.

[D]

No, I do it on my own. I'm pretty consistent. That's cool. Yeah. And, and, and so that. That's been good. He taught me this really cool thing, which is he's like 40 minutes before you go to bed, before you're gonna go to sleep, eat, like a cup of berries or a sorbet. And he gave me a couple brans so that you get that spike of natural sugar. And then you'll crash and you'll go into sleep better, and you'll sleep better. And God damn it, he was right.

[B]

Oh, and there's probably the psychological element of, like, now I get to have my treat, and then it's like a little treat and then going to bed and like, oh, that's a real interesting wind down.

[D]

Pretty insane. Pretty insane.

[B]

My version of that is I switched from a joint and a bourbon to a joint and a chamomile tea.

[D]

Oh, that's.

[B]

And that has been. And I'm out on my balcony sipping tea and having an indica, and I'm like, I'm going to sleep like a baby. And it's so much better for me than two. Two fingers of fucking Basil Hayden. Two fingers. Much like. Much like my only fans, I prefer a little more than two fingers.

[C]

Well, I mean, alcohol is the biggest. Alcohol is the big thing that, like,

[B]

I mean, it's a saboteur of your health.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like you let it in anyone.

[C]

Killer.

[D]

It's. It's trash. And it's for a lot of different reasons. And yeah, I'm. I don't drink. I'm so happy that I don't. For. For myriad reasons. But one of them is, you know, the. Every time there's a new study that comes out which is like, every four

[B]

hours, every four hours, Huberman's making a fucking proclamation about I can't believe we ever drank alcohol. You're like, oh, come on. Yeah.

[D]

And I just think, oh, thank God I don't. And I do. I do feel better as a result of it. And you can't do it as you get older, too. Like, you just can't. Like, your body can't do it.

[B]

It's harder.

[D]

It's.

[B]

It takes more and more of a toll on you every year.

[D]

I want to quit smoking butts. I really do. And, And I. And, And I don't Smoke as much as I used to.

[C]

Are you zinning?

[D]

Yeah, I mean, I just put one out. I just stubbed one out. That's.

[C]

That's.

[D]

That.

[C]

That's the level. I. I have a problem. Zinn it. I can't do it.

[D]

It.

[C]

I can't.

[B]

So many of my friends are zinning, so my friends are zinning and still blasting Sigs, which is like.

[D]

I'm like, yeah, that's me. I don't do it at the same time.

[B]

At the same time. Someone. I've got people who are telling me that nicotine is actually, like, a nootropic. And it's like.

[D]

It is.

[B]

It's like a performance enhancer.

[D]

It is. Well, we just. We did. We actually just had Huberman on. On the podcast, and I got to say, he was pretty great. And I ended up being fascinated with everything he was saying, and I didn't want it to end. And I was like, and then what if I do this? And what if I. Like, I was like the little kid, you know?

[C]

Ye.

[D]

And he talked about nicotine and how great it is. Yeah.

[C]

I just look like I have nine zins in my mouth at all times.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Will's hitting the five milli. What do they call them? The five mil? Lip pillow or whatever.

[D]

I'm on the. I'm on the three right now, but I. I go back and forth between the three and the sixes and then.

[C]

And then. And what does it do? It's just like a pouch, like a baseball player, or is it, like. But it. Where you swallow it or like.

[D]

No, no, you just put it. You just put it between your lip and your teeth. It takes a second to get used to. It's like these little pouches like this.

[B]

And we. I know for a fact, based on experience, that Adam can't handle just packing a lip with something.

[D]

We.

[B]

We did. We did recreational ketamine together, and you're supposed to just put it in your lip. And Adam's like, I chewed it and swalled it. I was like, what the.

[D]

You can't leave it there.

[B]

It's like a little kid.

[C]

I played baseball in high school and, like.

[B]

Like, swallowing sunflowers.

[C]

As soon as that started, like, as soon as you go from sunflower seeds to, like, the first kid brings in chewing tobacco, I was just like. Like, I can't. I could never pack a lip in high school. I can't do it.

[D]

I. I have a weird. That's funny saying that. I have a weird time off half the time. When I would go to get it out of my lip, I start the

[C]

gag about that that place. It's also I can't I also gag when I put my contact lenses.

[B]

Well I think you're supposed to put them in your eyes eyes not not the back. I have no gag reflex. Again, I'm sorry. I I that's for my only fans. Clip that Clip that for my only fans.

[D]

That's a great clip on its own.

[C]

That's gonna be the clip that I

[B]

mean I I it gets somehow gets credited to Will unfortunately it's like Will Arnett's got no says tattoos.

[D]

Tattoos are bad again. Never live it down Foreign

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[D]

It does make you think. It does make you think about Tom Hanks. God, he's done so many different things. It's on. The dude's kind of unreal.

[C]

I was just thinking about his run the other day.

[D]

Like, it's unreal, right?

[C]

His run. His run from like Joe versus the Volcano, maybe even. I mean, splash is the original, but, like, he made a few clunkers.

[B]

I mean, they didn't. They never stuck. They never.

[C]

They didn't stick to him.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, but he made like 60 movies and he. He made like 30 really good movies. So, like. Yeah, half of them I'm gonna let him have. I mean, mine is. I made only clunkers, dude.

[C]

I was gonna say, like, do you know if you looked at my IMDb, like my average, I'm batting.164 in the minors, dude.

[B]

Hanks also did like 10 years of dominating comedy and then switched to drama and then was the go to drama guy for like another decade.

[C]

Like, similar to you, Will. You're a little late, but a little late.

[B]

I don't think, brother Solomon.

[D]

I don't think I'm dominating anything.

[C]

I don't know, dude. I think it depends on how you look at it. Like, this is your turn to Hanks run it just a couple years later than he did.

[B]

We're just doing a few more terminals.

[D]

I decided to wait till I was 55 because I didn't want to embarrass anybody. I love it when people.

[C]

People do say to me sometimes they're like, do you ever think about doing like a. A drama? Like, changing up and always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'm trying to do comedy all the time.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What do you got? Yeah, like, you know what you gotta do? You gotta work with really good directors. Yeah, okay. Yeah, great.

[B]

I'm done.

[D]

I'm available.

[C]

I would love that. Have you showed them my extensive television career?

[D]

Yeah, because I have. You could google me. You got a number on them. Let me just. You got a number on them.

[C]

It's like, oh, it'd be so cool if you worked with Wes Anderson. You're like, yeah, I would. Yeah, be awesome.

[B]

It was rule that. That's the real, like, grown up version of your aunt saying, like, have you. You should do the Conan o' Brien show. You should do what he does, you know, and you're like, yeah, I would love to.

[D]

Right?

[B]

I should, I should get on SNL at 44. I could speed run my speedball death.

[C]

I was gonna ask you about this press run that you, that you've been doing because it's a dream of, of mine as someone who's worked, you know, in comedy the way you have for a long time. To see you doing the like a, like Academy Award run press tour where you're like in cool clothes and like, you know what I mean? And there's like pictures of you in a swimming pool with clothes on, you

[B]

know, and there's like, yeah, sitting cross legged in like the W lobby with like, with a bourbon or something.

[C]

Like, and then there's like an interview with you and Odessa A. Zion together. You're like, you're doing it, you know, like, how does that feel? Like, do you ever. Does the comedian part of you ever. Because I consider you like a comedian. You are one of the, your comedian. Like, do you, does that side of your brain ever click on while you're doing, while you're doing it all, while you're like, wow, this is new.

[D]

A gazillion percent and so the difference. How do you do that? Well, yeah, I spent a long, long time, you know, doing stuff and fucking around. And what happen is by the end, like when you do something with, as part of that, when you go and you do something like with Ramesh and I'm just dicking around, it's so fun because then I just get to dick around, which is why I say a bunch of stupid shit that I don't mean because you're just, you're just having fun, right? But a lot of those things you got to go and you know, look, the movie we made this, this movie is this thing on that Bradley and Mark Chaplin and I wrote and we worked on for. It took like from the time that we decided to start doing it until the time that it came out was like seven and a half years or something, right?

[B]

Jesus.

[D]

Yeah. And so like, we took it really seriously and we did it and it's. And we spent a lot of time on it, obviously, and a lot of care. And so you come out with it and then when they start to, you know, start thinking like, hey, maybe this has a chance for people to recognize it for X, Y and Z, you want to give it the. You, you, you, you're, you're doing a bunch of different stuff. And so you're. You, you, you want to speak very. It's tough because you don't want. For me, I feel like, man, it's hard for me to be that earnest in a way.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Comedy is not. Comedy is inherently like.

[B]

You want to undercut yourself and undercut the situation so frequently.

[D]

Yeah. But then you. But it's. But you know what? The same rules apply in that you just got to read the room which is these are people here who are appreciating it and so that you, you do take it seriously. And I did take seriously doing the. The project itself and I do really like it and I am really proud of it. So then. But there were times when. Yeah where you just kind of like you, you, you around. But. But a lot of the time, you know, the questions are different too. The questions are like what, you know, why, why did you do this? Or what is the message? Or you know, what was the process like? And you're like, well, actually the process was pretty serious. Yeah, it took a lot of preparation. Yeah. To do those scenes took a lot of. We workshop for a long time. You find yourself down this road. And I did have a few times that there were some really cool interviewers who were like, I see that you're struggling with talking about it in this serious way.

[B]

And I'm like, well, there's like, there's another layer to it too that you are a comedy guy doing serious interviews about a serious movie about comedy. It's like a quadruple 4D cake or some shit.

[D]

Yeah, man, that's a thing. Yeah, it's complicated. But at the same time, and then what happens is it's very alluring because people do respond to it and they're like, hey, we really liked it and we thought it was a great story. And you're like, you're kind of forced to put your guard down. It was tough for me to kind of talk about me and or it in this way that. That didn't feel like. I kept trying to. I was like catching myself. I didn't want to seem like I was being self aggrandizing. Do you know what I mean?

[B]

Or this is the most understandable like headspace to be my therapist one time said to me, do you ever use positive self talk with yourself? I was like, no. Why? That would be corny. He's like, no, that is something you need to like. And I'm like, oh fuck. I never to used like it's so easy to just downplay everything. But then when you're part of something larger, like a piece of art that you're involved with other creatives that you're like, well, I can't go out here and downplay this because I worked hard. Other people worked hard.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

My instinct is to like undercut myself for the sake of comedy and to not come across as like a guy who.

[E]

Serious.

[D]

What made it easy in certain ways was that the people I worked with, you know, a Bradley, you know, he's,

[C]

he's, I got a billion questions.

[D]

Yeah, he's an incredible, he's an incredible filmmaker. Right. I mean, and I've known him a long time. His, his capacity for all of it is so insane. And his, and his concentration and his focus is so intense in the best way. And Laura Dern, who's one of our greats, you know, and she's just, she's just incredible. And so you kind of, you, you, you, you start to get in that, you know, I heard. But what's, what's interesting is so, so that part of it made it really easy. And then when you listen to that and the way they talk about it, you're like, okay, okay, yeah, I can talk about this thing. And, and I did take it seriously. You know what's, what's weird is, you know, as pally, you were saying that like, you go and you, you're, you're doing these like, screenings for the Academy and stuff. And of course we didn't get any nominations for anything for our film about that. I know, but what, what's weird is they, you, you get put in this place where you've got to go and do that and then, and then you're disappointed and then you're like, I heard Ben Affleck talking about it, I think on Kimmel maybe or something recently. And he was much more articulate than I was. But about this idea that people are like, oh man, sorry, didn't get the thing. And you're like, I didn't even when we made it, it's not like I was thinking like, wow, we're going to get, we're going to make this Academy Award winning right Thing.

[B]

When you get drafted in the NFL, you're not like, ah, fuck, I just want to get. If I don't win super. All this, I just want to get on the field. Exactly, exactly.

[D]

And that was it. We just wanted to make something good.

[B]

So played a great game.

[D]

So it's confusing. And I remember 15 year old said to me, and he's such a great kid. You want to talk about this kid is so funny. He's an absolute bit machine. It's unreal. It's unreal.

[B]

It's in the jeans.

[C]

Do not introduce him to my son. I do not want. I don't need two of that. My son is a nightmare machine.

[D]

It's insane. And we were driving home, and I was driving him home somewhere. I was out here in California and I said. And we found out that we. Something came out, we didn't get recognized. And he goes. And I hung up. And I go, yeah. He goes, what happened? I go, yeah, it's a bit of a bummer. And he goes, don't let the fact that that happened ruin what you think about this great movie that you made, dad. And I was like, you're right. You're absolutely right. It was so dope. It was so dope. And like, it took my 15 year old to give me the perspective. Yeah.

[B]

The clarity comes from the most wildest places sometimes. You worked with our mutual friend. Oh, real quick. My buddy, Bob Castron. You guys. Oh, yeah, yeah, dude.

[D]

Bobby Castro is one of the all time funny dudes.

[B]

Yeah, he's one of the best. I met him when I was a PA at best week ever. Like 20 something years ago when I graduated college. And we've been tight ever since.

[D]

I mean, you want to talk about Bit machine Bob Castro. So Bob came with us when we were doing. Because as you know, he used to be a standup back in the day. Day. Yeah. And so when I started doing stand up and was going to the. The Cellar when I was living.

[C]

Were you using your name? Were you using, like, would they say, ladies and gentlemen, Will Arnett?

[D]

No, no, no. I was using the name of the character. Which. Cool. Which was. Yeah. And some. I know, I was doing it. Yeah. I think that people were like, is he doing like some like, low rent Andy Kaufman ripoff?

[C]

Daniel Day Lewis over here. Daniel Day on the set, everyone call me Will.

[B]

I'm living the life.

[D]

All right.

[C]

Everyone treat me like Will.

[D]

Okay?

[C]

A standup comic. He's going through a divorce. All right.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So.

[D]

So I would. I would go down. And so Bob. Bob came with me. And because we. We wrote all the standup, you know, that's in the film that kind of tracks where this character of Alex is going and stuff. And so I wanted to have that experience. Truly what it was like this dude, and I'm not a standup, so I'd never done it before, but I wanted to understand what that experience was going down and being that dude. And so really what I got to do is Kind of rehearse for six weeks and going to the Comedy Cellar every night and walking downstairs and being introduced as Alex Novak. And people did like kind of when I'd get up there, they'd sort of snicker and think like I was losing my mind or whatever. And.

[B]

Poor guy, poor Will, he's going through it. Sorry, Alex.

[D]

I joked. I did joke though. I did joke that people, you know, like a. You know, so I'm getting divorced and stuff, that people are googling like this. Got married again. Like what?

[B]

And you were doing a super high pitched voice, right? No gravel or anything.

[D]

I was doing like this.

[C]

Dude. The worst part of that was lugging that prop bin up and down those stairs though, right?

[B]

I'm glad you guys did the rewrite to make the. Make Alex not a prop comic. I think that was a smart movie.

[D]

It was so. It was such a. I'm glad we dropped that because it was.

[C]

It was hard to get up and down the stairs.

[D]

It was so.

[B]

Art department was furious.

[D]

They were so happy about it. I mean, everything, the plunger, the chicken, the glass, all of it, you got

[C]

to be careful with it. You can't just throw it down.

[D]

You have to. There's an anvil in there. You can't throw it down. Anvils are. It's going to ruin the chicken.

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[C]

We come from improv, as you know.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And so, like, there is. That is a different thing. Like, we, you know, we.

[D]

We.

[C]

We had all this training at the Upright Citizens Brigade in New York.

[B]

So much stage time, but so much

[C]

crossover where you're like, oh, I can get on stage. You're like, I can get on stage with no material in front of however many people, and people feel. Feel comfortable. And then you're like, but that doesn't mean anything. That's not currency. That's not, you know, it's not music. It's like shitty jazz, you know, in a way, it's like.

[D]

Well, what. You know, what was interesting was so. So when I was. Yeah. So when I'd go down there, the first time that I did it at the Cellar, we walked down the stairs and I was there with Bob Castron and Bradley, and we're standing there by the doorway, you know, downstairs there at the main room there. And. And they're about to call me up, and Bradley knows me, and he knows that I'm gonna. If I get up there, that. Because I didn't come up through. Through improv, I wish I had. I wish I'd known about it. I wish it existed in that way when I was coming.

[C]

You're pretty adjacent.

[D]

I mean, I'm adjacent. I'm adjacent.

[C]

We've hung out at McManus enough for you to be considered an improviser.

[D]

Yes, but. But, but, like, I wish. I just wish that that was kind of around more when I first moved to New York in 1990. It just wasn't. But he knows that my instinct is that if I get up, if I walk down there, get on stage, that I'll try to figure out a way to squeeze out a laugh somehow to make it work. Like you say, to make it work to do something and whatever. And the first time he stopped me and he puts his hand on me and he leans in and he goes, goes. We're doing something different. And basically he was saying, you're not doing that. We're here to do this. This is the job. And so go out there and do the material as Alex and do Alex's material that we do from the film, which is what I did. And that was really cool because the

[B]

impulse would be to be like, I know how to impress this crowd. I'm a funny guy. Give me a mic.

[D]

Yeah, just lean on my sweaty bits. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, the tattoo thing. Let me try something out here, guys.

[C]

From everything you said, said the.

[D]

The.

[B]

The.

[C]

I mean, I've had a director that. That I've really loved working with that I trust. You know what I mean? But I never had a. Like a friend who is also my director who's like, it must have been really bonding where you're doing this if you guys are, like, going undercover, writing the movie as it. As it's forming. You know what I mean? Like, that's pretty special to have a friend that's like, hey, man, don't do your bullshit tonight. And then. But trust. But trust me that I'm going to.

[E]

To have.

[C]

Have your back and make you look good 100%.

[D]

And it was. And it was, you know, again, because I do. I got to see sort of under the hood over the last couple years as we were working on developing it, what an incredible mind he has for this kind of thing and for making movies. And so I trusted that in that moment, and it did help us be. You're absolutely right. I'm. In terms of weeks later when we actually start shooting, that trust is just built, built, built in. Such a strong thing. And then actually, it was coming to those moments where we had these really insanely vulnerable moments in the film. And I've got to trust him. And he's. I've never done anything like this on film in this way. And I had to kind of of, you know, we talked about it, and he'd be like, you got to trust me, that. That you have to. There's. There can be no here. There's no acting. There's no. You have to. And we got to go deep. And he would, like, pull the camera off. He's operating, too. So that was the crazy Soderberg style. It's like, yeah, yeah, he. And. And well, that's also.

[C]

Where's he going to sit? There's no freaking chairs.

[D]

There's. There's no chairs, by the way. There's no chairs. There's no video village. Right?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Everything's Intentional from the moment you show up from call time to. To rap. There's never a break. There's never sitting around. I wish for that. It's amazing. So you're always engaged and he's right there. He's a foot from me with the camera in my face and he's talking to me as we're rolling and he's like, here we go. Here we go, man. Here we go. And then you go like, we gotta go. We gotta go deep on this. We gotta go. You gotta throw it all away, all this kind of shit. It was dope, man. It was. Is scary as that is.

[B]

Can you introduce us to Bradley?

[D]

I'm not ready.

[C]

I don't want. I'm not ready to hang out with Bradley yet. I need a couple more years.

[B]

Oh, I'm not concerned that he's ready to make a movie.

[D]

You guys should work with Bradley.

[C]

I didn't say movie. I don't want to hang out. I'm not ready to hang out with Bradley yet. I need a couple more years because, like, there are people like that in my life who, who, who, like, I feel like I'm going to meet Bradley Cooper and I'll be like, I got to get more like Bradley Cooper Cooper. And you know what I mean? And like, right now, right now I just gotta.

[B]

I can't handle that identity.

[C]

I can't handle that right now. I gotta just figure out me.

[D]

He's crazy inspiring. I mean, again, like, it. It. Our whole thing, our whole relationship went into a totally different gear. And he really inspired me in. In so many ways. It was pretty sick. And.

[C]

And are you gonna do it again? Are you gonna. I mean, and are you gonna. Obviously the material. You're getting a different look now, right? Like, there's gotta be cooler stuff.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, or a more.

[B]

More variety of things in front of you that you can do next.

[D]

Yeah, for sure. That's. That's the exciting. That's the exciting part. And I'm not. What's funny is, again, I think, because maybe I'm. Because I'm 55. I'm not. I'm not precious about it. I'm not like, hey, now, this is what I do. But I had these, like, really sort of very, what should be obvious realizations. But it's taken me a long time where I go like, I only want to do stuff that I. That I respond to.

[B]

I haven't had that revelation.

[D]

And so it's been cool. Yeah, it has been different. You know, I just finished this thing with Tony Gilroy, which was pretty dope. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. And with. With Pedro Pascal and that was. That was really awesome. And Olivia Wilde and a bunch. It was pretty dope. And. And so just a small little thing, but. But like, really cool to be able to kind of do. Do some different stuff. So that's. Yeah, I'm pretty. I'm pretty psyched about it.

[E]

Are you.

[B]

Are you looking to downshift and to do a comedy again and be like, oh, fuck, like safety? I feel like a lot like. You know what I mean?

[C]

You.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Or. Or is that Clydesdale out of the gate?

[B]

Did you get it? Did you get a taste? Did you get a taste? And you're like, I gotta. I want to fucking. You know, let's. Let's see what else is in there. Let me keep digging.

[D]

You know what? I think it's more. I don't think that I. I mean, that's always. That's always alluring, right? Just because you. Because if you read something really funny, you're like, oh, that'd be really fun to go around. Do that. Right? But at the same time, I think that it is much more about, like, I just. And if it. If it ends up being something that's funny, that's great. I just want to do something that feels as, you know, it takes, you know, it takes time away from your life and your kids and all that kind of stuff. So it's gotta be something that feels valuable. I get to screw around like you guys do with Jason and Sean all the time. So that scratches a lot of itch, oddly enough.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Yeah. That's actually kind of cool when your quote unquote day job is like riffing with talented, funny friends. It's a little. Spoils you a little bit. I don't need to chase this high elsewhere.

[D]

A little bit. Yes.

[B]

I hope you've been enjoying the interview with Will Arnett as much as we enjoyed doing it. So if you want to hear the second half, where we get into Will's morning routine, his kids dunking on him, an extended conversation about Benicio Del Toro, then you got to go over to the Staying Alive feed. Anywhere you get your podcast, hit, subscribe or follow. While you're there, we've got other great conversations with people you'll know and love, like Man Zoukas, Mark Maron, Scott Aukerman, Casey Wilson, Ego Wodom, Eric Andre, et cetera, et cetera. Come listen to a very funny people telling us what they do to stay alive. You have been listening to Staying Alive. With John Gabris and Adam Pali. A Smartless Media production in association with Sirius xm. Executive producers are John Gabris.

[A]

Ooh me.

[B]

Adam Pally. Ooh, you Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Richard Corson and Bernie Kaminsky.

[D]

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[A]

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[D]

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[A]

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[D]

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[A]

Not a chance.

[D]

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[A]

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[D]

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[E]

Hey, friends. Jason here. We're so excited. The Smart List has officially joined the SiriusXM family. We can't wait to announce new surprise guests who we know that you'll love. If you want to be the first to hear new episodes ad free and a whole week early, subscribe to SiriusXM podcasts plus on Apple Podcasts or visit siriusxm.com podcastsplus to start your free trial today.