#119 - Smosh's Deepest Lore

Summary

Smosh Mouth Podcast #119 – Smosh’s Deepest Lore

Date: November 17, 2025
Hosts: Shayne Topp, Damien Haas, Ian Hecox (guest)
Theme: Exploring the concept of "iceberg" lore both on the internet and within Smosh’s own history, with deep dives into video games, pop culture, and Smosh’s obscure and not-so-obscure moments.

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Overview

In this episode, the Smosh crew dives into the phenomenon of "icebergs"—internet maps that layer the lore, myths, and in-jokes of any niche, from video games to Smosh itself. After exploring famous icebergs (like Mario 64’s) and their own Smosh lore, they reflect on the collective memory, fandom myths, and the evolution of internet communities. The hosts get nostalgic and nerdy, trading stories, deep cuts, and inside jokes, and end by imagining their own Smosh “iceberg.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Warm-Up Banter and Pop Culture Chat (00:30–05:44)

• Icebreakers: The hosts riff about mobile games (Genshin Impact, Uma Musume), getting off makeup after shoots, and a tangent about beeswax production that morphs into a realization it’s like “bee dandruff.”

  • "So for those at home who aren't up to date on bees, you know, new update just dropped." – Damien, 01:52
  • They tease niche jokes, referencing obscure sitcoms ("Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23") and their LA billboards.

• Reality TV Frustrations: Shayne admits to resisting Love Is Blind despite friends’ enthusiasm. Ian bemoans toxic male behavior on the show and the overall lack of self-awareness among contestants.

  • "Men gotta figure out what feelings are." – Ian, 05:44
  • "At this stage, the only people who are signing up for that show... are lacking self awareness." – Shayne, 06:34

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2. Theme Park Horror Stories (08:03–14:20)

• Rough Rides: Damien and Ian swap traumatizing roller coaster memories (Ninja at Six Flags and broken-down Disneyland rides). They discuss being stuck on rides (Haunted Mansion, Small World) and the chaos that ensues.

  • "Every time you ride that thing, Six Flags Over Georgia, the ninja...you lose a couple IQ points." – Damien, 08:08
  • "This is making me racist now." – Shayne, stuck on Small World, 12:47

• Pet Peeves: Shayne and Damien express their frustration with people recording everything at theme parks or concerts and not living in the moment.

  • "It's like nobody's there to actually be there; they're there to tell other people." – Shayne, 15:48

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3. The Iceberg Phenomenon Explained (19:05–21:13)

• Definition: Internet icebergs visualize a fandom or subject's lore, with surface info at the top and deep, obscure or conspiracy-level trivia at the bottom.
• Fascination: The hosts describe how myths emerge—especially in gaming circles—highlighting the joy of urban legends, glitches, and childhood rumors.

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4. Deep Dive: Mario 64 Iceberg and Gaming Urban Legends (22:20–29:38)

• The group explores the Mario 64 iceberg, with surface knowledge like “backwards long jump,” and deep cuts like “Bowser broke the door” or AI-personalized copies.
  • "At the surface, the top of the iceberg is like all the well-known things... then you get to the 'depth'—this is the lore nobody knows." – Shayne, 19:09
  • "Every copy of Mario 64 is personalized... that’s the most chosen thing I’ve ever heard in my life." – Shayne, 27:57
• They bond over how these legends parallel their childhood playground rumors (Missingno, secret Pokémon, unreachable GoldenEye bases).
  • "My cousin got the ghoul medal... Like, really? I'll ask him how he did it." – Damien, 25:00

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5. Reddit Icebergs & Internet Forum Clichés (31:40–36:55)

• Reddit Tropes: Shayne reads from an “annoying Reddit comments iceberg”—“Happy Cake Day,” “Not all heroes wear capes,” “Sir, this is a Wendy’s,” “Not my proudest fap.”
  • "Now, as a Reddit user, I can pretty much accurately guess the top comment of every single post I see. It's always a pun." – Shayne, 33:10
• Forum Culture: They comment on how popular forums devolve, while niche communities (bread making, bug identification, leather crafting) are still useful and wholesome.
  • "The more niche it gets, the better Reddit is. And that’s the case for kinda everything." – Shayne, 37:00

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6. Cartoon Network and Other Deep Fandom Icebergs (37:34–41:58)

• Fusion Fall & Toonami Tom: Damien shares lore about “Fusion Fall” (a CN MMORPG) and the evolution of Toonami’s Tom.
• Ed, Edd n Eddy Finale & Dark Kids TV: They recall the unexpectedly heavy Ed, Edd n Eddy finale and share a wild story about Uncle Grandpa’s creator posting a “canceled” sketch.

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7. Building the Smosh Lore Iceberg (43:07–63:45)

• Shared Memory: The hosts attempt to map the Smosh fandom’s iceberg, sorting moments by depth—surface-level memes (the Bear Shirt, "Where’s Anthony?", Olivia’s jumpsuit, “I need to calm down”, Food Battles) vs. obscure or “deep sea” lore (Anthony’s Age of Empires website/maps, un-aired Jake Paul episode, Sleepover/Part Timers/Hard Times Timers, the COVID lockdown era videos).
  • "Let’s say four sections—tippy top is one, deep sea fangly fishes is five." – Damien, on iceberg structure, 43:28
• "What would go on the bottom?":
  • Anthony’s Age of Empires forum/map
    • "Had one of the most popular custom maps... I put that at the deepest depths." – Ian, 49:05
  • Randall (Disney channel inside-joke character), never-aired shows (e.g. "Ian!"), behind-the-scenes evolution
  • COVID-era production woes and the "lost" era of the channel
  • The “Every Blank Ever” paradox: most viewed, never discussed
• Meta-Jokes and Playful Theories:
  • The “bottom of the iceberg” is where the absurd rumors go: “Shut Up was a candid recording,” “Ian’s name is Anthony,” “The Chosen is hidden in all Smosh videos,” “Shane and Damien died playing Doki Doki Literature Club,” or “Trevor is a clone of Rhett and Link.”
  • "At the depths, there’s always some weird, vague statement... like the AI in Mario 64." – Shayne, 59:31
  • "Shut Up was a candid recording." – Shayne, 62:32 (his favorite made-up theory)

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8. Closing Reflections and Future Teasers (64:24–66:44)

• Shayne & Damien wrap up with heartfelt thanks, joke about hosting duty trade-offs, and a meta joke about big shoes to fill.
  • "It was very special and I love it, and I thank you." – Damien, 65:34

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• “Every copy of Mario 64 is personalized.” – Shayne, 27:57
• “Men gotta figure out what feelings are.” – Ian, 05:44
• “At the depths, there’s always some weird, vague statement.” – Shayne, 59:31
• “Shut Up was a candid recording.” – Shayne, 62:32
• “Let’s say, tippy top is one, deep sea fangly fishes is five.” – Damien, 43:28
• “It always makes me really sad, like, any venue now, just everybody's recording... they're not there.” – Shayne, 15:32

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Timestamps for Core Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |------------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 00:30-05:44| Banter, Beeswax, Reality TV (Love Is Blind) | | 08:03-14:20| Theme park horror stories, public recording annoyances | | 19:05-21:13| Intro to Icebergs and their Internet/Fandom usage | | 22:20-29:38| Mario 64 iceberg and gaming legends | | 31:40-36:55| Annoying Reddit comments and forum culture | | 37:34-41:58| Cartoon Network iceberg, Fusion Fall, Toonami | | 43:07-63:45| Building the Smosh Lore Iceberg | | 64:24-66:44| Closing remarks, reflections, and gratitude |

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Tone and Language

• Playful, self-aware, and nostalgic: Consistently irreverent, occasionally biting, but ultimately warm and inclusive. The hosts lean heavily into deep cuts, their own meme-status, inside jokes, and meta-commentary on the Smosh fandom.
• Willingness to poke fun at internet culture (“My brother in Christ,” “Not my proudest fap”), and themselves (“We used to do good April Fool’s videos, until you f---ed that up with your wedding”).

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is a smorgasbord of Smosh and niche internet lore—perfect for deep fans and anyone curious about how pop culture fandoms organize and mythologize themselves over time. The hosts go from light banter to the arcane depths of online legends, always with humor and a wink at the audience. Even if you’ve never seen Smosh, you’ll leave understanding the anatomy of fandom memory (and probably wondering what terrifying thing lurks at the bottom of your own favorite iceberg).

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Transcript

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[B]

Well, God, I have, I have not really talked to people yet today and we're about to film this shit. It's gonna be great. Yeah, I've got this on airplane mode. I just have it for my, for my iceberg lettuce.

[C]

Good.

[D]

You just gotta, you just gotta hit your, your Genshin Impact gotchas of the day.

[B]

It's Uma Musume. It's a sports game and I would.

[C]

Thank you, Uma Musume.

[D]

Dude, what kind of sport?

[B]

Horse racing?

[D]

Is it like the, the, the horses, the human.

[B]

Yeah, you know what it is? Absolutely.

[D]

You know exactly what that is. Uma Musa May. Yeah, okay, that's on the app store.

[B]

Yeah, no, you gotta download a special package for the iPhone. They don't want you to have this shit on there.

[C]

They don't.

[B]

They don't want you to have this.

[D]

Doctors hate when you have this.

[C]

Hi, welcome to Smudge Mouth. I'm Shade.

[B]

And I'm Damien Haas. And joining us today is Ian Hecox.

[D]

Hello, I'm Ian Hecox.

[C]

I don't know if we kept it in or not, but we just talked about many things in the span of two minutes.

[D]

Yeah, we talked about be.

[C]

Well, we found out. You found out what beeswax is.

[B]

Well, so. No, sorry. I found out how beeswax is made. You know what beeswax is?

[C]

I thought by finding out how it's made, you also find out what it is.

[B]

So for those at home who aren't up to date on bees, you know, new update, just dropped. I thought Beeswax was fired out of the honey hole or whatever. Like I thought bees just sort of pooped it out. Like with honey.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Turns out they flake it off in scales.

[C]

Interesting.

[D]

It comes out of their ears.

[C]

So it's like, it's like be dandruff.

[B]

That's worse. I think to say that's what it kind of is. That kind of sucks.

[C]

Yeah, but it's like it's flaking off of them or builds Up. Just builds up.

[D]

Like, they're, like. They're not, like, molting, and then it, like, becomes.

[B]

No, they, like, fire off specific scales. There's like six or seven on their body at a time, and then it plops off.

[C]

And does it hurt for them?

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

I have. We need to ask a beef. All right. The one in apartment 23. Oh, dude.

[B]

But how can you trust her?

[D]

Okay, That's a joke only millennials are gonna get.

[C]

Like, a couple people will get it.

[D]

I feel like. I feel like nobody actually watched that show, but everyone talked about it because they're like, don't trust the bee in apartment 23.

[C]

It lasted for, like. I think it lasted for, like, half a season. But there were. In la, there was billboards everywhere for it, and it made me laugh every time. Cause I'm like, that's a really bad name for a show.

[D]

It's.

[B]

It's terrible. Yeah. It was tv trying to be like, we're not gonna say bitch in the.

[C]

Title, but you know what we're saying? You know, it is. Before we go any further, I want to establish for people watching this. We were doing a sketch yesterday. I had eye makeup on. I'm really bad at getting eye makeup out of my eyes, so that's why I look like J.D. vance.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

Got him.

[B]

No.

[C]

Yeah. No, I look a little emo.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Because I saw a tiny, like, in one kind of one eye here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But you definitely just missed the one eye. And I. I can relate. I have some difficulty getting off makeup in that. Yeah.

[C]

Anyways, back to all that stuff we.

[D]

Were talking about when we're talking about your. Your horse.

[B]

No, we're talking about bees, I think.

[D]

Okay. I didn't know that. I didn't know that was in public.

[B]

No, it's. I just. I've already just brought it up in, like, the past two.

[C]

I think we were talking about bees.

[B]

I think it was. It's been alluded to in the couple podcasts I've done, so I'm just like, nah, you can't beat a dead horse person.

[C]

Ian, it's great to have you here.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

How's it going? What's up?

[D]

What's.

[C]

What's been. What's new? I feel like. I always. I feel like we don't do this part of the podcast as often, so I'm trying to bring it back.

[D]

Oh, trying to bring back, like, check.

[C]

In, like, talk, you know, like. All right, moving on.

[D]

So I think when people are like. I think when People are like, hey, how's it going? I try to give it, like, a measured response, of course, like, it's good.

[C]

It's good. It's good, right? Right?

[D]

Yeah. But I think, you know, it's good. It's good, it's good.

[C]

I feel like these past. This past week or so, I. I'm fighting really hard this year to not watch Love is Blind. But you and. And several others are watching. Oh, yeah, you guys are watching it. But the problem is every time you guys talk about it, you're like, oh, it's so great. This person who's awful said this awful thing. And I'm like, I don't know if I can do it right now. That show makes me so mad. I get hooked. If I start, I get hooked. I actually stopped last season.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

I did start watching, and I was like, I'm done. This is. This sucks.

[B]

I can't do reality shows in general anymore. I think it was like a luxury of when times were more chill and it'd be like, oh, we can dip into this drama and then go back to our real lives where everything is fine. And now it's kind of the reverse. And I'm like, I don't want to watch more horrible people do things. I can't do it.

[D]

That's fair. Well, this, this season is. Is by far the worst casting ever, which makes for some good entertainment.

[C]

Right?

[D]

But there's some truly abysmal people in the show. And just like, another reminder that, like, men gotta. Gotta figure out what feelings are.

[C]

Totally.

[D]

I think that's a big part of it. Like, the women will be like, I mean, like, where are you in this? Like, what's, what's wrong? What's. What's wrong? And they're like, I'm just like, I'm fine.

[C]

Yeah. And it's like.

[D]

But then he's, like, running out of the building and, like, driving away.

[C]

Totally.

[D]

But he's like, I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm just like, I'm fine. And then, like, throwing the mic off and running down the street and getting into his car and, you know, peeling off. It's a good little snapshot of, like, where we are in, you know, society.

[C]

Yeah, I think that's fair. Worst people, I do think, like, at this stage, season, whatever, they're on the only people who are signing up for that show. A lot of people are lacking self awareness. I think there's always. There's always a couple every season of like, wow, you're really like a put Together person who's gone to therapy. But I'm like, good luck. Hang in there.

[D]

No, my. I think one of my favorite people on the show is this woman named Annie. She's a hair salon owner and she has the worst hair of anyone on the show.

[B]

Well, how can she do her own.

[D]

She's got, like, hair extensions and two bumpets. She looks like Gwen Shandlin. Do you know Gwen Shandlin? She was like.

[C]

She was like, you. You can't make up names right now either.

[D]

Oh, no. She was like. She was like. Well, anyway, this is.

[B]

What's her name? Gwen.

[C]

Gwen Shamlin.

[D]

Shamblin, I think. Gwen Shamblin. Yeah. She was like a.

[C]

She was like shambles out of the graveyard.

[B]

Nice.

[D]

She was like a church mega pastor or. Sorry. Mega church pastor. Mega pastor. She was like making people get skinny in order to go to heaven or whatever.

[C]

Hold up.

[B]

Real talk, that was. That was. I could lose weight and go to heaven.

[C]

Yeah, that's how you get to survive. That was one of those roller coasters that whips your head around, like, just like.

[B]

Oh, like the ninja. Six Flags Over Georgia. Anyone who's Six Flags Over Georgia knows you lose a couple IQ points every time you ride that thing. Six Flags Over Georgia. The ninja. The problem is not that it whips your head.

[C]

The ninja.

[D]

The ninja is a roller coaster.

[B]

Is a roller. No, it's just this guy that'll just hit you. He's like, let me pick you up.

[D]

I don't know what happens in Georgia. I've never been. That's a lie.

[C]

Is it called the Six Flags Over Georgia?

[B]

Six Flags Over Georgia. Yeah. And it's Six Flags over, you know, California.

[D]

Don't ask what the Six Flags are.

[B]

It's. One of them is the Confederate flag. It's always. That's.

[C]

That's a six covered that.

[B]

We've covered that. So the ninja has these, like, pads on either side because they know you're going to whip your head. But by hitting one, it actually bounces you to the other. So by going through any loop, your head actually goes like. And, like, by the time you get off, like you're going to throw up. And it's not from the loops, it's from the, like, blunt force trauma to your dome.

[C]

I never went to Six Flags without coming out extremely fucked up. Yeah, I got fucked up every time I went to Six Flags.

[D]

I thought you were just gonna. Never mind.

[B]

Yeah, in Arizona, they won't go to Samurai. It's got to hit you.

[C]

I never went to UVU Jobber.

[B]

I also.

[D]

No, you were.

[B]

Up.

[D]

He said, I never went to Six Flags without coming. And then you just ended.

[B]

Oh, there. Yeah. The ninja just punches your prostate.

[C]

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[B]

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[D]

That's one of the one roller coasters you don't want to be in the back of. Oh, God. All right.

[C]

I was on Superman when it broke once, and it went past the station, and we, like, almost got caught in the net thing. Yeah, I just went. You just see the station go past. You're like, I think we're supposed to stop.

[B]

Oh, no, sir. I think we Were that our stop, sir? I got stuck on a roller coaster once at Universal.

[C]

Oh, which one?

[B]

It was the Mummy. And for those not familiar with it, it goes all the way to the end of this, like, cavern, and then something is supposed to happen, and then it, like, launches you backward. But the launch backward didn't happen. I just was there for, like, four minutes. I'm like, damn. I forgot that they, like, really. They build it up, huh? Like, I also got stuck on Haunted Mansion once.

[C]

Ooh, Everybody gets stuck on Haunted Mansion.

[B]

Really?

[D]

That.

[C]

That ride gets stuck a lot.

[B]

I didn't know that.

[C]

How long were you still ghosts?

[B]

It was all the. It's because the ghost in the gears, the ghost in the machine. It was like 30 minutes, like, 40 minutes. It was a lot. And we were, like, right in the middle, too. So, like, they evacuate from the back and the front, and so we had to wait. Hell yeah, dude.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Smash has the crying bathroom, the usual one, and then the Shane bathroom, the usable one. The usable ones.

[C]

I think I've talked about this, but the last time I. One of the last times I went to Disneyland, I got stuck on A Small World for almost an hour, and people were, like, fighting. People were like, it was bad.

[B]

You're like, this is making me racist now.

[C]

This is doing the opposite. I'm so mad country you got stuck.

[D]

In, you became racist of.

[C]

Look, World War III happened in the. It's a Small World plays. All the. All the countries were fighting. No, but all of the boats were, like, stacked up, so it was just fully packed. People are yelling. People are like, I have to use the bathroom. That's what the river's fall.

[D]

It's a moat.

[C]

They started people off of the ride from, like, the sides into, like, strange exits. So we got to go, and I got to see, like, all the behind the scenes of. Of it.

[D]

Don't people have sex in that ride?

[C]

I think people.

[B]

I think it's pirates that they do. Yeah.

[C]

Captain Jack Sparrow.

[B]

It's very, very dark. Very dark in that cannonball section.

[D]

I don't think I can get turned on with the smell of the pirates ride. Oh, how could that, like, like, musty, like, chlorine smell. I just can't get on board.

[B]

They make it humid, so it feels like you're boating in Louisiana.

[D]

Yeah, buddy.

[C]

I love. One time I was on that ride. I've probably told this story on here before, too, but someone in front of us was taking, like, a lot of photos, like, flash photography on it, and the. The, like, loudspeaker comes out. It's like, yar, no flash photography on the ride. And they just kind of kept doing it. And so I get to hear this. This pirate voice slowly break down. Be like, please, no flash photography on the ride. And just like, all right. No flash photography's. Like, please stop taking photos.

[B]

Y. Y. I get so unreasonably mad in moments like that, especially where, like, it's very rare I will ever splurge for anything, like a fast pass or whatever. Like, it's already a luxury to go to a thing. So if I've waited for an hour to get on a ride and someone's just like. Like, I'm gonna scream the whole time really loud and do photos. Like, I went to Universal recently and did the Halloween horror nights, and every single time directly in front of me, there'd be, like, three or four people having to record the whole, like, haunted house on their phone, which is like, I get it. I've done it. But also, like, when are you gonna watch that back? And now you're not experiencing it, but there's a light in my face.

[C]

Yeah, that stuff is all online. Like, you can find the. That recording. You're not in it, so it's not like, this is different from the stuff you can find online. It is very funny to me. I think it's probably, like, a lot of, like, older people who don't realize that you can look that up online. They're like, I gotta believe nobody's gonna believe I was here. Was it selfie?

[B]

No, it was, like, a family of four. And there'd be, like, you know, two kids and then, like, the parents and, like, auntie or whatever. But, like, it would literally just be everybody on their phone the whole time getting it. And it happened multiple times.

[C]

It always makes me really sad. Like, any venue now just everybody's recording. Like, nobody's there. They're recording it for later. And that always makes me sad.

[D]

But, like, for what reason?

[C]

I know it is kind of like. Well, to post it to. Yeah, for points online.

[D]

Yeah, it's.

[C]

It's like nobody's there for. To actually be there. They're there to tell other people.

[D]

I feel like we have successfully shamed people to not post fireworks videos anymore. I feel like. I feel like we as a society have, like, shamed people enough to be like, you don't need to post that. When are you gonna watch those fireworks again? You know what I mean?

[C]

I don't know, man.

[D]

You don't think so?

[C]

I feel like everywhere I go, people are just Recording things, that's their instinct.

[B]

You know what I've started doing? I, like, I went to a concert recently and it was great. And I didn't see too many people on their phone recording, but I wanted to get a couple of shots of just like, oh, this song is really cool. And like, this part is beautiful. And the lighting is so cool. So, like, instead of just holding it in front of my face and watching it, I would, like, look down real quick, make sure the frame was okay, and just sort of hold it, like, down and out to my side being like, okay. I'm capturing it from here just to. Even if it's framed terribly, like, I'm still watching it. I'm getting like 30 seconds of footage to be like, I want to remember this lighting effect thing and then that's it.

[C]

I think that's fair. When I see people, like, record, like, oh, like, I'm recording it for a little bit just to, like, post something.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It's people who are recording for like 10 plus minutes where I'm like, people.

[D]

At concerts are like that. It's like, that's nutty.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't get it.

[C]

I will say the, the, the. The biggest bonus of the society we live in is like, you'll catch a video of, like, someone being an absolute asshole on a flight or something.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And day by day, it's like we've gotten a new angle. It's like 50 different angles. It's like, there's more shots of this than any movie you've ever seen.

[D]

Sure.

[C]

It's wild. I'm like, yeah, there's more footage is going to be revealed of.

[D]

Mm.

[B]

Life hack for airports. Stop caring about where you end up in 48 hours. Like, I've. There's been a lot of delays lately, and I keep seeing people come up to, like, people at the front desk like, well, like, what's going. What are in you guys are doing that? I'm like, there's not a single thing that anyone in the world can do to help you.

[C]

If you're a huge asshole to the people at the terminals. They'll. They'll help. They'll get a plane out. They'll do it for you. Yeah, yeah, Right, right. They'll change the entire dynamics of the entire country's flight pattern.

[D]

Yeah. I've never, I've truly never understood the people that are, like, mean to the gate agents. Like, you're not going to get anything out of them by being a dick to them.

[B]

You need someone to be mad at and you might as well make it up. Like, I. I had a situation recently where they were like, hey, guys, like, sorry, we're delayed. It's only going to be an hour. I'm like, this is going to be four hours. And it was. But they kept saying, like, we don't have a flight crew yet. Like, we're calling people, we need to have them. And so like, like, the last person showed up finally like, and answered the call. Thank goodness they did. But they had like Starbucks in hand. And my first thought is like, you bastard. I was like, you didn't need to do that. But you can also, like, reframe it and be like, yes, whatever you need, Queen. Thank you for being here. I'm gonna make up someone else to be mad at and I'm gonna think of the person that overslept in there and you are saving their butt. So you deserve your little treat. Drink smart. Enjoy it.

[C]

That's smart.

[B]

Thanks. Slept like a baby on that plane screaming.

[C]

So today, today we're talking about icebergs. Internet icebergs.

[D]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Will there be a third Titanic?

[C]

There's gotta be a Titanic iceberg, which is like extra funny. So, okay. An Internet iceberg. I'm sure many of you know it is essentially a map or a graph detailing all the lore of any given subject or niche or interest or show. And basically at the surface, the top of the iceberg is like all the kind of like, well known things about said subject, said thing. And then you keep getting lower and lower until you get beneath the surface to things that most people don't know about. And then you get down to the depth and it's like, this is the lore of this thing that nobody knows, nobody talks about.

[B]

You're like, I didn't even know icebergs go that deep. And you're starting to see those little fangly fishes with lights built in.

[C]

Yeah. Like, ooh, that messed up.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Every time I see footage or photos of like this creature we found deep, deep in the ocean, I'm like, I hope it stays there.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

That thing.

[B]

We weren't supposed to make that. Like, we weren't supposed to see that.

[C]

God doesn't know about that.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Seen a goblin shark.

[B]

Oh, yeah. With the extra set of teeth that fires out. This one's like the Ridley Scott ass fish.

[C]

Everything down there is so messed up.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Except dumbo squid.

[D]

I can get with that. I can get with that. I've seen.

[C]

I don't know if I've seen a dumbo squid.

[B]

Okay, Shane. I'LL show you.

[D]

You just showed me.

[C]

They're kind of cute.

[D]

Little, small beans. It's a dumbo something. Because I think I know what you're talking about.

[B]

Dumbo octopus. I'm so sworn.

[D]

Octopus got these little, like, little beady.

[C]

Eyes and then, like, anglerfish. The males literally attach to the females and, like, become part of them.

[B]

Yeah. They just are living floating gonads.

[C]

Literally.

[B]

Think of, like, the cutest, like, like, small Disney animal voice where they look like a Pokemon.

[C]

Oh, I have seen these little guys.

[D]

Excuse me.

[C]

It looks like something that'd be singing in Star Wars.

[B]

That's really good.

[C]

Thanks. So are you. How familiar are you with icebergs, Ian? Are there any that you've checked out? I know there's a lot of YouTubers who do big video essays on icebergs.

[B]

I want to shout out. Izzy's one of my favorite comfort YouTubers. They have done, like, the creepypasta iceberg. The, like, specifically Pokemon scary stuff iceberg.

[C]

Nice.

[B]

That's how I found out about icebergs. So shout out.

[D]

I've just. I've just seen them through various Internet things. I can't recall any specific ones off the top of my head.

[C]

Sure.

[D]

But, I mean, I'm sure somebody's made a smosh. Iceberg.

[C]

I was actually looking, and I did not see many. Many, like, big, detailed ones.

[D]

No.

[C]

So, no, I've not seen one. But there's gotta be. There's gotta be.

[B]

Then I think we are the change we need to see in the world.

[D]

Oh.

[B]

Because we're gonna. We're doing that, right.

[C]

I think we'll start to make one a bit later, talk about some stuff. Okay. Pitch things and see where we think on the iceberg it would go.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

But before we get there, I want to talk about. I found one that people say is, like. They argue. This is, like, the best iceberg.

[B]

Oh, great.

[C]

And it's the Mario 64 iceberg.

[B]

Ooh.

[C]

I guess there's just a ton of lore about Mario 64, and you get really in the weeds with it, and it's like, whoa, this is crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, for instance, above the surface, it's like, backwards, long jump, Impossible coin, half a press. So, like, impossible Coin is that. The Impossible coin is the name given to an uncollectible coin in Tiny Huge island by pen and Koek 2012 that someone discovered due to how group coin spawners work. One of the five coins that should be located on a slope in the large version of Tiny Huge island does not spawn. Since it would spawn underground. So it's like, people just, like, saying little niche things in the game.

[B]

I'm aware of the backwards long jump, because if you do this long jump in just the right way, you can actually sort of make it that Mario actually starts to move backwards, and you do it again, and then he fires backwards really quickly. That's how speedrunners do a lot of stuff and sneak their way through doors they're not supposed to.

[C]

Like, okay, yeah, you get down to below the surface, and you've got, like, ghoul metal in Big Boo's haunt. One of the signs outside of the large mansion reads that if the player makes it out alive, they deserve a ghoul medal. A player on the term gold. A play on the term gold medal. A ghoul medal is never received in game, so it was likely that this was just a throwaway line to taunt the player. However, some have claimed seeing and collecting this supposed ghoul medal, it could also be related to the unused key objects that were originally intended to be within this course. There's just, like, a lot.

[B]

I love that stuff. I love the idea of that because it reminds me of, like, I don't know if this is still a thing due to, you know, the prevalence of the Internet from a young age, but I remember being in elementary school, even middle school, playing any video game, and if it was popular enough, like, there would be rumors about it. Like, original Pokemon games, you know, we didn't have access to, like, things that were coming out in Japan. So what would be the second generation of Pokemon gold and silver we would hear about in the States and be like, oh, apparently there's, like, secret Pokemon.

[D]

Like, yeah, there's Missing no.

[B]

Missing no. Well, exactly, like, missing no is created because there's, like, a placeholder for, like, 101 unused Pokemon slots in game. Because things are coded in 250. No, it's 256, I think. 256, like, bit. So, yeah, it's 105 unused slots. So missing no is just one of those slots. But the idea is, like, well, there's got to be other ones here, then. So it'd be rumors of, like, oh, if you sail in this area and use this item and fight this thing and catch this thing, a secret Pokemon will pop up. And, like, hearing things like that is like, oh, yeah, there's my. My cousin got the ghoul medal. Like, he actually made the ghoul medal.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, really?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'll ask him how he did it.

[C]

Like, oh, man. Dude. On the playground as a kid, like, people are just making up all the.

[D]

In goldeneye, the first. The first mission.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

There was that base that was across the water.

[B]

Sure.

[D]

And it was like. Oh, yeah. Like, there's, like, a secret way to get there. With Game Shark, you could get there.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

If you remember gameshark, the thing that.

[C]

Allowed you to cheat, it allowed you.

[B]

To put in hex codes into Pokemon, things like that or whatever to change certain values. But that's why people thought there were so many extra things, because people discover, like, oh, there's 105 unused spaces for Pokemon. Or like.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's. I feel like it's pretty common in video games that there's like. Like, when they're making the game, like, just little tiny codes and stuff when they're putting in. That does. Doesn't make it to the surface, but it's still in there, right?

[B]

Yeah. Like Doom, one of the original Dooms, there was a code you could put in so you could, like, go through walls and clip through walls. And if you fought, like, the last boss, which was this giant, like, evil face on a wall with, like, one weak point. If you clipped into the weak point to look inside, there was a head floating there, and it was the head of the. The game. Like, he put himself in there, but you would never know if you, like, didn't go through the wall.

[C]

Sick. Yeah, that's creepy.

[B]

Yeah, I love stuff like that.

[C]

Bottom of the iceberg for Mario 64. There's one that's. Bowser broke the door. The door into the castle courtyard is bricked up as if it was broken through.

[D]

This was. This was written before, like, Bowser was bricked up.

[C]

Dude, he's a turtle. It's all weird and quickly patched up. This has led some people to assume that Bowser broke into the castle through the back door.

[D]

Oh, that's. Bowser used the back door. Okay.

[C]

Let'S see. Haunted dirt texture. This is supposedly a dirt texture with a face. And it's just like. I think that's a stretch.

[B]

That's the, like, Similac. What's it called? Simulacra or. Oh, my God. Pareidolia. Where you start to see, like, faces and everything. Faces.

[C]

Faces and things. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[D]

Like on Mars.

[B]

Yeah. What?

[D]

Yeah, the face on Mars face.

[B]

And that's also where Doom takes place. Doom as faces and textures on the walls.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, my God. We're back.

[C]

There's a theory that there's Zelda 64 beta assets in wet Dry World just because, like, they were in the process of making Ocarina of Time. So they think, like, there was test things in there. But you get down into the deep, deep, like, crazy stuff. You get to the depths. Okay, the depths. And my favorite one is the deepest bottom of it is that Mario 64, Nintendo used a experimental AI and that every. Every copy of Mario 64 is personalized. Oh, that it morphs to how you play. So that explains why some people experience things in the game that nobody else has ever seen.

[B]

That's a really cool thing.

[C]

And I'm like, I love that. That it's like. It's the most chosen thing I've ever heard in my life. Like, back in the 90s, they had this experimental AI that was fucking way better than anything nowadays that they fit.

[D]

Onto this little tiny, shitty cartridge.

[B]

You know what, though? That does track a little bit, because how many times have you been trying to get a game to work, like, in the cartridge days, and it doesn't work? And then someone goes, no, no, no, let me try. And they can do it, and they can make it work. And you're like, oh, my gosh. Like, the beast responds to no one but me.

[C]

It reads your. It knows your DNA.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, welcome home.

[D]

Yeah, Welco.

[C]

That'd be sick.

[B]

That would be great.

[C]

There was some other weird ones. Let's see. Shared nightmares. Shared nightmares is a concept which spans outside of Super Mario 64. Although it heavily relates to conspiracy theories, many people who Played Super Mario 64 claim to have nightmares which are strikingly similar to those others in their communities have. The most common of these nightmares relate to the haunted piano and a Kellogg's partnership with Mario 64, in which the beta versions of the game's penguins were put on the box art for their cereal. These penguins were unsettling and spurred nightmares in which they would babble in an unintelligible language. However, may be worth noting that the description of those penguin nightmares sound an awful lot like a description of Pingu, which has also caused nightmares with its somewhat unsettling animation style. That's. That's a hilarious conspiracy theory. It's like, yeah, no, Mario 64 is causing. It's causing nightmares in the world, and everybody relate.

[B]

It's weird because that also, like, aligns with, like, Club Penguin and people would, like, get nightmares about that and, you know, trying to, you know, flip an iceberg. Yeah, and we're.

[C]

And we're.

[B]

Now we're back. And we're back.

[C]

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[B]

Oh, that's good news, Shane, because after last year, I could use a redemption. Now that we're not recording this part, I can tell you I gave some real stickers stuff.

[C]

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[B]

What?

[C]

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[B]

Well, all my friends take a lot of photos, you included, so I guess unlimited would definitely be necessary. And I'll have to remember the Carver matte frame for other people.

[C]

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[B]

Yeah. And who knows? Maybe little elf might be getting you a Carver mat frame.

[C]

Oh, okay. I'm excited, you know. Okay, Shane.

[B]

I'm the little elf.

[C]

What?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

No, that's crazy. Back to the show. Selina found an annoying Reddit comments iceberg.

[D]

Oh, right.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[C]

This one's good.

[B]

Thank you for the karma kind, stranger.

[C]

Yeah, we got here at the top. We have. We have. Happy cake day. We have. My brother in Christ came here to say this.

[B]

I think my brother in Christ was deeply funny the first, like, couple times I heard it. And then I was like, oh.

[C]

And then we really did a lot. Not all heroes wear capes. Thanks for the gold kind, stranger.

[D]

There we go.

[C]

Let's see you get a little bit further. Further. You get down to, like, just below the surface. You've got. Y' all ain't ready for that conversation. Rip my inbox. Oh, you sweet summer child. You get. You get stuff like psy. This asterisk unzips.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

This logged in just to upvote what did I just read?

[D]

Uh huh, Sure.

[B]

I saw a TikTok the other day that was just like the person that kills the flow in every conversation they're in. And it's just someone walking up being like, whoa, what did I just walk into?

[D]

That's like everybody, like, I feel like back in like the early 2000s, everyone's like, awkward.

[B]

Yeah, it's the, it's the Joss Whedon. Like, well, that happened, like, yeah. So anyone else see the giant witch with fangs in the room?

[C]

Like, yeah, it's very funny. At this stage have. Having used Reddit so much, I now can pretty much accurately guess the top comment of every single post I see.

[D]

It's a pun.

[C]

It's always a pun.

[D]

I hate. I. That's the thing I hate the most about Reddit is when somebody's asking a genuine question and I want to know the answer to that question. And the first, the most upvoted thing is somebody just making a fucking pun off of that thing. And I know that I'm just gonna have to minimize that. That conversation. And the second answer will be the actual.

[C]

If you're lucky.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Is it just bots? Is it just bots? Just.

[C]

It's just, man, it's.

[D]

Has AI figured out how to pun?

[C]

No, it's. It's Reddit, man, because that's how it's always been. And it'll be a pun followed by someone quoting something, and then everybody decides, hey, let's quote that entire movie. Yeah, and it'll be just line after line of quoting that whole movie or song. Yeah. And just like, all right, guys, all right, we're doing this. This.

[B]

I like, I'm not a Reddit user. I don't have an account or anything like that, but I do every once in a while. Like, you know, Google used to be a thing where like you would type in a question and then there'd be like a thousand different websites that are potentially dedicated to that question. Now it's like, there's four websites we all use, so I have to be like, what's, you know, what's. Travel tips for this place in March, Reddit, Enter. And then I hate when the top comment is like, you know, Google was free or like, hey, there's five other topics that are like this in the board. I'm like, but I don't have an account. Just like answer their question or link to the thing.

[D]

Like, yeah, don't.

[C]

It's like, why are you commenting that?

[D]

What was, what was in the Reddit One.

[C]

The depths of.

[B]

You guys can tell when the Adderall kicks in midway through the episode for me.

[C]

So, I mean, it's. It's kind of hard. I feel like they're all. I already. I know a lot of these stupid games when.

[D]

Stupid pr.

[C]

Yeah. Sir, this is a Wendy's. Not my proudest fap.

[D]

Okay. I feel like that one. I see a lot.

[C]

That one's. That one's there a lot. A lot of these. I see a lot.

[D]

Subreddits. I just frequently.

[C]

Faith in humanity. Restore.

[D]

Chef's Kiss.

[C]

Chef's Kiss.

[B]

Is there stuff on there like, hope this helps? Because there's, like. There's like, the shitty Twitter comments where it's just like, da, da, da, da. Hope this helps, or I'm just gonna leave this here. You win.

[D]

The Internet.

[C]

Oh, our angry upvote. Yeah. I was today years old. You know, all those. No, it's the. The Internet, really. Like, there was a good period of time where I felt like you could go to the Internet and you're like, I'm gonna get the answers I'm looking for nowadays.

[B]

No, you know what?

[C]

People just do not want to. It's. It's about dunking on each other. And. And so it's like every single answer is just a, like, owned. Got you.

[B]

I think we should make this the full on Millennial episode. I think we should keep talking about the Bean apartment 23. And I think we should be like, you know, the Internet used to something.

[D]

You know, I will say there is a subreddit that. That I get served a lot, and they never. I feel like the answer usually is at the top. And it's. And it's. I think it's a mineral ID subreddit.

[C]

There are. The more mineral idea, the more niche you get into subreddits where there's less. The less popular they are, the more useful they actually are.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So there's a lot of. There is a lot of subreddits that are like, help me identify this thing.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So be like, what's this bug? And they'll take a photo of a bug. And the comments are always super helpful.

[B]

You know what? I did finally get a sewing machine for leather crafting again. I got it in an auction. It's the one that I used to use when I was a leather craftsman before. Smosh. Like, it's a. It's like a workhorse from the 80s. Like, it's really strong, and I, like, finally found it for sale. But, like, looking up, you know, leathercraft Sewing machines, Reddit. Those people were so helpful. Those people would be like, I'm actually going to look at this. No, that's not the horsepower you need. You would have to get a walking foot attachment. And at that point you would have to get another motor. Make sure you do that. Like. So. Yeah, the niche stuff seems to be.

[D]

Like, it still seems to be untainted by Redditors.

[C]

I think it's the general Reddit that are. That are just flooded when it's good. It's got too many people. It's not like a very specific thing. The more specific it gets, the better Reddit is. Sure. And that's. I think that's the case for kind of almost anything. But Reddit's still the top for, for that stuff, like bred it.

[D]

I have not visited bread.

[C]

Reddit's just people who make bread. They're just talking about bread. And it's also more. The more niche it gets, the more popular, positive it is too. Less negative. Just like, oh, we're all here, we're focused on this thing. There's also a Cartoon Network iceberg, and I don't recognize almost anything.

[B]

Is Fusion Fall on there?

[C]

Yeah. So Fusion Fall. Fusion Fall. Where is that?

[B]

It's like three quarters of the way down.

[C]

Where. Yeah, Fusion Falls, like down below. What's Fusion Fall?

[B]

Dude, Fusion Fall was Cartoon Networks online mmorpg, like, they tried to do like a World of Warcraft kind of thing deal, but it was all. It was all like post apocalyptic and all the characters were kind of like aged up and kind of like more. How to describe it? It was more like stylized, almost like anime, but not quite okay. So you would start out and they'd be like, you know, hey, you know, which faction do you want to join? And if you went like the Dexter's Lab route, he's like a teenager and like trying to give you all the science or the Ed and Eddie root, which is all.

[D]

So it's based, it's. It's Cartoon Network properties.

[B]

All the properties like Megas XL was.

[C]

But the art style is all its own.

[D]

It's.

[B]

It's its own thing still with nods to the other things. So you would get like equipment and stuff based off of like, you know, Ed Eddie's kind of like scavenger stuff or Dexter or like Powerpuff Girls. And it was like actually not just like clicking on things like an mmo. Like you would like turn and aim almost like Fortnite. So it was like a Cartoon Network Fortnite style MMO way Before Fortnite, you could be on teams with people. It was awesome. And it never got off the ground, but I played the hell out of it when it came out.

[D]

Damn.

[C]

I about it.

[D]

That sounds. I mean.

[C]

I mean, maybe I saw like, trailers and stuff for it on Cartoon Network and I just never played it.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Did they advertise this?

[B]

I don't think it was just on their website as like a beta.

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

Sorry, I keep getting sidetracked.

[D]

Is Uncle Grandpa on there?

[C]

I mean, dude, no. That was a popular show. Yeah, that was.

[D]

It was a popular show.

[C]

Oh, I think I was just.

[D]

It. I said, that looks like the most annoying show in the.

[B]

Did you ever see the. When the show got canceled, the creator tweeted out a specific photo.

[C]

No.

[B]

People are alluding to it a lot because when Tiny Chef was like, oh, I got canceled, like, they were like, do the Uncle Grandpa route. And it just was a perfect sketch of Uncle Grandpa kneeling with a pistol in his mouth. Like, the show got canceled. So the Drew is our character. Like.

[C]

Oh, my God, it's dark as shit. Oh, my God.

[D]

Well, I know what I'm doing. If Smosh ever gets canceled, well, called it.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

A kids show.

[B]

Well, not anymore. What are they gonna do?

[C]

Oh, my God. Holy.

[D]

That's the best.

[C]

That is amazing. I actually knew one of these. That's down pretty deep on the iceberg. Which is the Ed. Ed Nettie original series finale.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Where it's like they go and they see Ed's brother and his brother's like, horrible. And it's like kind of like a really dark episode of like, oh, you have this horrible, like, family situation. But they kind of like, are like, no, we're your friends. We're here for you. And they, like, fight his brother.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think it's, like, intense. And I don't know if they play it that often, but I don't think.

[B]

They do because it does, like you said, allude to kind of like familial abuses.

[D]

Yeah. Like.

[B]

And cuz, like, Eddie's whole thing is just like. Yeah, my brother taught me how to scan and my brother did that. And my older brother's going to bring me to Vegas one day, and then he meets his older brother and everyone's watching him, like, get his rocked, and they're like, oh.

[C]

Oh, your brother hates you.

[B]

Yeah, this isn't good, buddy. So it's like, really sad and serious and like an important message, but just, like, tough.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Interesting.

[C]

I'm surprised this is really far down. But the Toonami Tom redesign.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I mean, yeah, because when Toonami started, Tom was like a little guy, and then he got bigger and buffer over the years, but he, like, kind of. Didn't he, like, die?

[B]

Yeah, like, sucked into a black hole.

[C]

And so he, like, kind of. Was it a new version of him? Like, it was new robot Toms or. I forget.

[B]

The, like, Tom was a host of, like, the anime hour or whatever for Cartoon Network. And so, yeah, they. He was like the interstitials. Like, he was piloting you through the different shows. And, Yeah, I think they want to do, like, a rebrand and redesign. They're like, all new shows, all new cool shit. Like, here's better CGI for our little robot.

[C]

I. I see always, like, the bottom is just, like, a weird, vague saying. So it's like double D's hat, and it's like, what. What's up with double D's hat? Like, I don't know.

[D]

Johnny Bravo. Bollywood.

[C]

That sounds incredible.

[D]

That sounds cool.

[C]

Oh.

[D]

Ringo Starr, falsely credited.

[C]

See, I. I love this stuff.

[D]

Yeah. Okay, cool.

[C]

But then there's an annoying orange iceberg, But I don't know anything about annoying orange. So, yeah, like, down deep, it's like, Rule 34. It's like, okay, we're not gonna touch on that.

[B]

That's basically just call me by your name.

[C]

Oh, you're right. Annoying orange did play the peach. Call me by your name. So if you want that.

[B]

I feel like we both had the same image just now and just.

[C]

We thought about it.

[B]

Yeah, we thought about it.

[C]

I want to now move over to us talking about smosh and ourselves on Smosh and. Yeah, Smosh. Iceberg. I want us to pitch things and throw out where on the iceberg we think they would go. All right, so, for instance, the bear shirt that I used to wear.

[D]

Sure.

[C]

I think for a lot of fans would be like, what's the bear like? If you saw it on Iceberg just said Shane's bear shirt.

[D]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's in a lot of content at a certain time. I think it a good one. Golden cat.

[C]

Golden cat. I think golden cat's like, bottom of the iceberg, maybe just below the surface.

[B]

I think bear shirt would be a little above that.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I think. Well, maybe it would be around the same. Same level. You know, for the sake of us not having it in front of us. Let's say, like, four sections, five sections. Like, tippy top can be one deep sea. Fangly fishes is five. Right, right. Touching the surface can be three.

[C]

Most have seven levels. But I like. I like us saying just like it's. It's at the top of the iceberg. It's sure. Bottom of the iceberg.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Or it's down in the depths, whatever. But I'm down to hear ideas now.

[B]

I've got some things here that we've never talked about on camera, but I don't think it's bad. But I'm like, it could be way at the bottom. So I think favorite pizza place can be like, right up top.

[C]

Yeah. I think favorite pizza place is.

[D]

It's. You could put it. I feel like you put a. Like maybe on the second level now just because now like, you like, when's the last time we referenced.

[C]

It's not referenced that much. It's interesting how far. But it is. It is on the iceberg. Right. Like, because it was like the thing for a while. While. But I'd say right now it's like, I need to calm down. Is like top of the iceberg.

[D]

Sure.

[C]

Pizza place. You know what, though? I do think favorite pizza place at the top. Like, pink donuts at the top. Food battles at the top.

[B]

I would say where's Anthony? Is very high up.

[D]

Sure.

[C]

Where's Anthony's? Definitely high up there.

[D]

Olivia's jumpsuit. Probably just below the water at this point maybe.

[C]

Or just above. Or maybe just below.

[B]

I was also going to pitch Life's a party. You're a boy.

[C]

Oh, that's. That's just below the surface. Below the surface. Because we've talked about it, but we haven't talked about it in a long time. And it's like, you gotta like if, you know, you know, it was an.

[B]

Olivia moment that was very defining and iconic.

[C]

It's. It's still the funniest Olivia moment to me.

[D]

LeVar Burton buying smosh. It's pretty below the surface.

[B]

Oh, I don't know that one.

[C]

What's that one?

[D]

It was a. It was a April Fool's video that we actually shot with. With LeVar Burton.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[D]

Of Reading Rainbow and Star Trek and Roots fame. We made this video. Like he bought Smosh and that he was basically re editing all the videos to put himself in it.

[B]

Oh, that's awesome.

[D]

And so, like, we shot him on like green screen and like added him in, like old videos.

[B]

Oh, I love that.

[C]

Incredible.

[D]

I used to do like, good, like April Fools. April Fool's videos. We used to do good content. Yeah, we used to good April Fool's video until you that up with Your wedding. Wedding.

[C]

Sorry, man.

[D]

You know, now nobody's gonna.

[B]

I still get people at conventions when I'm doing, like, voiceover conventions that come up. They're like, are Shane and Courtney really married? I'm like, yes. And I don't know what else I can say at this point to make you believe it. And it's not my job.

[C]

I can't believe Dan and Phil one upped us for real, like, full on. They win.

[D]

Yeah, they win. That was a pretty. That was about. Yeah.

[B]

Can I say something crazy? I never watched Dan and Phil back in the day, so I don't know them too well, but for whatever reason, when I saw the news come out, they were like, yeah, this, you know, video. 16 years, whatever. I thought something about that already came out, like, a year or two ago. Like, it was confirmed already.

[C]

I don't watch their content either. I mean, I know who they are.

[B]

I know they are. Yeah.

[C]

Engage with them. But. But I think it was one of those things where I saw the news and I was like, oh, I thought that was. I thought that was already a thing I did also. But I think it's that their fans maybe. Maybe pushed that so hard.

[B]

I thought they had specifically the Internet.

[C]

Wanted it to be real so bad that we were all like, oh, that's. That's the case.

[D]

Well, they had both. They had both come out a few years ago. Yeah. And I think they. I don't think they came out at the same time, but basically, like that, you know, sort of. I think probably reignited some of the fandom behind, like, oh, it could actually be real because they're both gay.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Got it.

[D]

So, yeah, I think that's probably you're thinking of maybe.

[B]

Probably. I'm also very.

[C]

Had to be. That had to be stressful, man.

[B]

Oh, I can't imagine.

[D]

But I mean, to relate to the iceberg. E. Anthony was probably.

[B]

I was going to say shipping in general.

[D]

A lot of different ships. Lot of different ships.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. I've got a couple here for you, Ian.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

You worked at Chuck E. Cheese. Where would you put that on there?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's. I say it's kind of core lore, sort of, but. But it's not talked about very often. I would put it. It's definitely below the surface. I'd say maybe like three down.

[C]

Okay. Where do you think? I think this one goes low. This could be bottom of the iceberg. Anthony's Flash games. Oh. That was like kind of the OG Smosh thing.

[D]

I mean, I would Say even below that. Anthony's Age of Empires website.

[C]

Anthony's.

[B]

No, this is great.

[C]

What.

[B]

What about this.

[C]

What's Anthony's Age of Empires website?

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah. He had a. He had an Age of Empires website that, like, had a forum, and I don't know if, like, may I. I guess I'll check with them and make sure that this is okay to talk about, but yeah, he also. He also had, like, one of the most popular, like, age of Empires 2, like, custom maps.

[C]

Really?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, he had, like. He had this, like, custom map. It was called. I think it was called Smosh. It was, like. I forget the name of, like, that style. Style game. I think it was called, like, a bloodbath game, where it was, like, essentially, like, you just constantly create units and then try to take over the other person. Anyway, I think it was called, like, Smosh Blood.

[C]

And was this before the YouTube channel?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So that's so cool.

[D]

Yeah. So he had. I don't think. I don't think he had made smosh.com yet. Maybe. Maybe he did because this was, like, in high school, so early 2000s. And, yeah, he had. He had a website that was all about Age of Empires, and then there.

[C]

Was, like, a community on that was, like, the OG Smosh.

[D]

So I put that at the. I put that at the deepest depths.

[C]

That is.

[D]

You guys didn't even know about it.

[C]

Depth. That's a cool one. The Smosh, age of Empires 2 custom map. I also think what's really down low is Smosh was made in 2002. Like, smosh.com was like, it's not. 2005 was the YouTube channel.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

It started as the online, like, magazine. Right. Or the website.

[C]

Yeah. Yes.

[D]

It was mostly porn. No, I'm just kidding. No, it was. Yeah. It started as, like, a community for, like, people that were at our school, but then also, like, flash animations and. And there were some people, I think, from the Age of Empires website that came over.

[C]

So cool.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

That's wild.

[C]

That's sick as hell.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

See, that's the cool stuff that I like to find on icebergs is, like, a niche, but, like, kind of wholesome thing.

[B]

Yeah, I admire Anthony's, like, people. People call it, like, side questing. You know, where I was like, hey, I'm in an off Broadway thing right now. Come see me. People are like, you're just side quest. And I'm like, yeah. And I see someone like Anthony, I'm like, I don't even hold a candle where he's like, yeah, I paint now and I used to make Age of Empires maps and now I'm in Prague.

[C]

And I'm like, man of hobbies.

[D]

What?

[B]

Like, this is so cool.

[C]

You guys play Age of Empires sometimes, right?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, we're, we're trying. We're trying to find a. Because we haven't played against humans. We tried once and we got our asses kicked because I'm playing on controller like a. Like an insane person.

[B]

I play with you because I was a. I was a red alert, command and conquer guy, which makes sense, but it was just a game that I had.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's Age of Empires with army men instead.

[D]

Yeah. Come through. Yeah. We're always looking for more people to play with. We're trying to find the right balance with. With computer difficulty because we get our asses handed to us on hard, but we steamroll medium.

[C]

So it's, it's a big jump in that game.

[B]

I feel the same way with civilization where like I'm building my city in the easiest level and oh, look, I win. And then the second you boost it up a little bit, it's like barbarians have eaten your civilians.

[D]

Civ is incredibly like. It's, it's, it's. When you raise the difficulty on that, they're just cheating.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. It's bullshit, frankly.

[D]

It's bullshit.

[C]

Damien, for you, where do you think Randall goes?

[B]

Goes. I think that's deep. Deep. Cuz. So I, I recently was thinking about bringing him back for you in the tntl, but Randall is. When Shane and I used to be on the Disney Channel, we had our own version of like, Try not to laugh before. Try not to laugh.

[C]

We would truly drink water and try to make each other spit it out.

[B]

Yeah. And I would do this character named Randall. It's the first thing I did on Try not to laugh, which is the one.

[D]

Please.

[B]

Winning, huh?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I tell you what, buddy. And I would just monologue as that character and Shane would lose it.

[C]

And then it was your first joke. But it was a joke that we'd been telling for like. You'd been telling that for like six years at that point.

[B]

Yeah. Well, just how long we'd known each other.

[C]

It's crazy though.

[B]

I'm going into shows, specific shows. We have things like seriously super stupid Sleepover.

[C]

Yeah, I think that's, I think that's low, but I think it's, it's like bottom of the iceberg, maybe below the surface.

[B]

How about Hard Times, Timers?

[D]

Oh, I was gonna say, what about the because wasn't. Wasn't there a Jake Paul series?

[C]

There's a Jake Paul episode that they never aired.

[D]

They never aired. Oh, the never aired Jake Paul episode.

[C]

That's deep down.

[B]

It's crazy.

[C]

You said part timer zone. That's. I think that's pretty deep.

[D]

I don't think it's. I mean it's still.

[C]

Still out there. I know all of it's out there. I mean all this lore that we're reading on other icebergs is technically stuff that's out there.

[D]

Yeah, it's just.

[C]

Just like how. How in the know do you have to be to be aware of it? And I think part timers just like.

[B]

It was less well known than Sleepover. Also the smosh Elks Lodge video that.

[C]

I'll occasionally see people find that and like post and be like people occasionally resurface that for the shows were big at the time. They did a lot of views. But it is. Is like wild to see it compared to our vibe overall.

[D]

Spencer's one ball. That's. That's top of the iceberg.

[C]

That's very. Yeah, I think it's like right there.

[B]

I think the chosen could be top of the iceberg.

[C]

I think top of the iceberg.

[B]

Cosplay munge.

[C]

Mung. That's. That's pretty deep.

[B]

I think that's some old games lingo.

[D]

Remember when we used to talk about bug snacks?

[B]

Talking about bug snacks, dude. Bug snacks.

[C]

That was just Damien. He was just bringing it up all the time.

[B]

Well, dude words. Because we're talking about bugs.

[C]

We are. We are in fact talking about bug stacks.

[B]

I have a show that did not really get off the ground. It was the show that they tried to do for a minute about fears.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Where you had to go in that dull.

[C]

I don't think it's below the surface though, because I see people reference it a lot still. Yeah. Like the butterfly episode with. With. With Olivia and stuff. It was a. Another. Like that was an interesting choice. What about Pharaoh High?

[B]

Pharaoh High I forgot about.

[C]

I think it's below the surface.

[B]

Just below the surface.

[C]

I think just. Just below the surface.

[D]

It's like you.

[C]

The joke from tntl, but that we made an entire series out of it.

[D]

A series on YouTube shorts. Yeah.

[B]

Between that and the Spud Hut, I never would have expected that Spud Hut was the one that like went on to do way better. Like Pharaoh High was just.

[C]

It was there.

[B]

It was just wild. And I've got one that never aired. And so it's smosh lore that Might be new and we can cut it if we need to. Wow, Ian. Exclamation point. Yeah, the talk show.

[C]

I wrote that down. The show. Remember we were trying to make that. Yeah, it's what eventually became let's do this. I think let's do this was. But back at Mythical, we were trying to make another show scripted.

[D]

Trying to make like a. I mean, I would say it was closer to Bit City almost, because it was. It was. We were looking at something like Maury or like Jerry Springer.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[D]

And we were going to do like a scripted, silly version of that.

[C]

Yeah, right. Yeah, you're right. It was kind of like an early iteration of Bit City that we never made.

[D]

And was it like Sonic the Hedgehog was like the guest or something? Yeah, I seem to recall we did like a table read and then we never shot it. Did we. Did we shoot it?

[B]

I. No, I think we might.

[C]

We did a rehearsal of it. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, we were trying to make that.

[D]

And that's at the very bottom. Like nobody now. Now people know.

[C]

Now people know about Ian with an exclamation mark. Where do you think?

[B]

Let's see this goes?

[D]

I would put it maybe just below the surface. Just below the surface. Just cuz, like, was a moment in time that. That was like immediately eclipsed by. By the return of Anthony and kind of the sort of like renaissance that happened after that.

[C]

Sure.

[D]

So it was kind of like this. I'd put it in this sort of like lost era of the main channel where we were trying a lot of things. Yeah, that's fair. But we just didn't have the eyeballs on the content.

[C]

Yeah, that's fair.

[B]

I don't know if it's been long enough for it to be that obscure, though. I feel like it's still pret on the middle of like iceberg above, like.

[C]

Bottom of the iceberg. Because I think it was like people.

[D]

Talk about above the surface.

[C]

I think it's above the surface.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But, yeah, you're right. It was in the era when we just didn't have as many eyes on us. But it was a really good show. It's got so many great moments that I still see circulated a lot. I mean, some of the hardest I've.

[B]

Ever laughed was chances like cheating.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

I mean, Arasha's lying started there.

[C]

Russia's lie is let's do this. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Okay, so I guess it would be above the surface then.

[B]

Ye also wrote the COVID Smosh videos. Oh, where we're like filming everything in our own.

[C]

The animal crossings.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We had some videos where it's just like we were against the, like, you know, we're swimming against the current.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Trying to make content in a very difficult way where we're all filming separately, putting footage together, trying to bring it all together. It was really hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That Most Annoying Kid video that I filmed entirely in my apartment. It was like crazy because I lived in a very small apartment and it was like, all right, you're gonna film this entire sketch. And I was like, I need to figure out how to make this interesting with different angles when I'm in one small room.

[D]

Most Annoying Kid is kind of a character that I would say would go on the. Would go somewhere on the iceberg.

[C]

Just below the surface.

[D]

Maybe below the surface. But that was like a repeated character for a while.

[C]

It did four or five videos of that.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It's weird. Like, you know what I actually think is below the surface is every blank ever. It really is. Like it didn't exist. But nobody ever talks about it. It got the most views out of everything we've ever done and nobody talks about it.

[B]

It's like it is just from a different era.

[C]

It's just a different era. And I also think it was like a different general audience. Like our. Our audience who actually like. Likes Smosh.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Likes us. I don't think they cared about it that much because it wasn't us.

[B]

It was what got the views too. It's like, oh, it got 7 million views. Cuz it's shareable. And now clip to face, it's just interesting.

[C]

I'm like. It's like it never happened.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, every blink ever is. I feel like, what kind of like set us up for. For the trouble that happened on the main channel later in terms of like every blink ever did so well for us. But it reached a very broad audience.

[C]

That disappeared when we stopped putting it out.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. And then so like when we tried to create anything on the main channel that was more specific, it just didn't appeal to that broad.

[C]

Yeah, it was. You're so right. And I think I remember. I feel like I heard maybe you were Anthony, like talk about that like years ago, like 2015. Being like, yeah, we're worried. We just don't want this to be the Every Blank ever channel. Yeah. And then it did. It did happen.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It's so interesting. We're kind of low on time, but I have a fun pitch.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

I want us. Imagine you come across the smosh iceberg. And you're looking at it, and at the depths, the bottom, bottom depths, there's always some weird, vague statements, and it's like, oh, yeah, the secret lore. Like. Like AI in Mario 64, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I have pitches for ones that are not real, but I'm like, imagine if you saw these at the bottom, and it would trip people out. Shane and Damien died playing Doki. Doki Literature. Literature Club.

[B]

Dude, that would be great. Well, that works at the bottom, too, because, like, it's always just rumors. Yeah, it's always rumors anyway.

[C]

Like, oh, it's completely. Yeah, it's. Most of the bottom of the iceberg is fake stuff.

[B]

Yeah. But it's more about, like, the cultural moment of people being like. For a while, someone thought about that. So it is an event that happened, and that's why it would be at the bottom.

[C]

So.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, we never finished that playthrough.

[C]

That was the end of the Shane and Damien show that was playing Doki. Doki Literature Club.

[B]

That's what really finished it.

[C]

So we actually died playing it. Okay. I have one that I'm so proud of, but I'm gonna save it for the end.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

The Chosen is hidden in all Smosh videos. Just being like, oh, wait, the Chosen was in every video? Even going back to the first video.

[B]

I like that a lot.

[C]

Like, how sick is that?

[D]

I could believe that. We used to hide flamingo, A pink flamingo, and all of our videos.

[C]

Okay? And it has been there every time.

[D]

Wait, have there always been this? Wait a second.

[B]

They change the. They change them every time.

[C]

Pepper.

[D]

Why are there so many. Why are there bananas all in the background?

[B]

It's Monday.

[C]

Look, man, because it's Monday and you.

[D]

Got peppers, peppers, peppers. What do I have behind me? Oh, just a sign, actually.

[B]

I would. I would hide a little bird. If there was ever a bird on set, I would do something. Something with it.

[C]

Remember, like, you would always.

[D]

You would always pick that bird off of the backdrop.

[B]

It would always put it on the backdrop.

[C]

How about this one? Ian's name is Anthony.

[B]

I love that.

[C]

Imagine seeing that at the bottom of Iceberg. Be like, wait, what?

[B]

Who's Anthony?

[D]

People. People have called Anthony Ian and Ian and myself Anthony multiple times over the past month. I don't know what's going on. So maybe it's true. Maybe it's happening.

[C]

Charlie the drunk guinea pig was angry. AI. Ooh. Arasha is in Marvel.

[D]

Oh.

[C]

That. That the lie was a double lie and that she's actually in Marvel and that Project just hasn't come out yet.

[B]

Someone figured out the NDA and in order to fix it, we had to make it a big joke.

[C]

Yeah. This is sort of smosh adjacent. Trevor is a clone of Rhett and Link.

[B]

Oh, my God. Well, he'd be like a homunculus, wouldn't he? I guess a combo of the two.

[C]

Yeah, but he's, like, perfectly. He's the height that's in between both of them.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, he's got attributes of both. I don't know. He's is of dumb theory more powerful.

[B]

Than they could ever be.

[C]

Here is my bottom of the iceberg smosh theory.

[D]

Okay, let's go.

[C]

I am so proud of.

[D]

All right.

[C]

That I think just so much lore. It's so small, but so much lore could come from it. Shut up was a candidate recording.

[B]

Oh, that's so cool.

[D]

Like.

[C]

Like, Shut up was a candid record. Like, it's not like you told Anthony to shut up. Like, it was in the midst of a argument or something, and then it was a candid recording that was put in there.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, wait, what's that lore? Like, what does that build towards? Or whatever.

[D]

I can believe that.

[B]

That's a.

[C]

It's just a really fun. That's a fun. If seeing that at the bottom of the iceberg of Shut up was a candid record recording just makes sense.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Because it goes back to the beginning, and it, like, it's like, wait.

[D]

Like, I mean, you could almost. I mean, Shut up at this point is I would almost put below the iceberg. Below the surface.

[B]

I think below the surface is, like, niche stuff, though. I still think that, like, even if it's not popular now, if someone was a quote unquote, smosh fan.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And you said the, like, shut up thing to them, they would know what it is.

[C]

It's got to be something that just not many discussions were about.

[D]

Okay. Fair.

[C]

And so shut up is top. That's top of the iceberg. All right. In my opinion.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

We'll probably at some point look more into icebergs and, like. But I like, it takes a lot of research to really get in the weeds 100%.

[B]

I. I want to see what people do with this, honestly.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, and also the live tour show Smosh in Australia.

[D]

Yeah. Smash Australia.

[C]

Smash Australia. When we were in Australia, when the.

[D]

COVID locked out, we gave Tom Hanks Covid.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. We kissed him.

[D]

Tom Hanks was in the same. Was in the same city we were in. He got Covid.

[B]

Well, he kept Going, like, every place we would leave, we would hear stories about it. Like, we'd leave Melbourne, and then it would be like, oh, Tom Hanks has Covid in Melbourne, and a bunch of people do. Like, we just met 300 people in line.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, there's no way.

[D]

And Chet Hanks was one of them.

[B]

Oh, shoot.

[D]

He's a big fan.

[C]

Ian, thank you so much for joining us. Hey, thank you.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

All right, Damian, thanks for hosting again. Well, you're not done. Oh, this is the last. Okay, guys, guys, I didn't realize this, but next week, Amanda's gonna be here.

[D]

Mommy.

[B]

That's right, mamacita.

[C]

And Damien, you're gonna move from that chair over to here.

[B]

Thank you. And I can't wait. And honestly, it works out because I am now pregnant, and I will be having a baby, and Amanda and I are going to keep trading off. Trading off, back and forever. That's me.

[C]

That's how it goes. I. I know we're. It's funny because we're going to record last week's episode right after this.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I think that's. But, Damon, you've done such a great job hosting.

[B]

Thank you. I'm going to screw up next week's episode, so it sounds like you're a big old liar, but thank you. I really appreciate it. This has been so cool. It was big shoes to fill with Angela being here, and there was big shoes to fill.

[D]

She has big feet.

[B]

Yeah. Big old Italian feet.

[D]

She's not Italian, Angela.

[C]

That's top of the iceberg.

[D]

Oh, Angela. Sorry.

[B]

No, I'm just like, I was really honored to do this, and it was very special, and I don't know. I love it, and I thank you.

[C]

You and Angela did such great jobs. I felt bad, I realized because, like, I wasn't keeping track that well, that Angela's last episode kind of, like, went by. And then I was, like, talking to her the other day, and I was like, oh, you did such a great job hosting. She's like, thanks for saying that on camera. Jokingly. Jokingly, no. But, no, you guys both crushed it.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And I mean, obviously, thank you.

[B]

You said it on camera and you even texted me, and that's how I know that's real. So thank you. Hell, yeah, it's been a delight. And I can't wait to see what you guys do with this channel.

[C]

Yeah. We got exciting things, and we know.

[D]

If we're ever gonna actually end this podcast, we know what picture we're gonna it.

[B]

Uncle Grandpa. It's C.R. look it up. It's.

[C]

I can't wait to look it up right now.

[B]

It looks exactly what you think it looks.

[D]

Should we just pull it up right now and just all react to it live? Just to finish off the.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Finish off the video. Uncle. Grandpa.

[C]

Uncle. It's the top search. All right, we'll see you later.

[D]

Bye.