#48 - Are These People For Real?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Smosh Mouth Episode #48 - "Are These People For Real?"

Release Date: June 3, 2024

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Introduction to the Episode

In Episode #48 of Smosh Mouth, hosts Shayne Topp and Amanda Lehan-Canto welcome a special guest, Tommy Bo, from Radius Tommy Bo Pey's podcast. The episode delves into the fascinating world of real-life characters found on the internet and reality television, exploring what makes these individuals more entertaining and memorable than any scripted character.

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Acting Insights: Stella Adler and Authentic Performance

The conversation kicks off with a discussion about acting techniques, referencing the renowned acting coach Stella Adler.

• Amanda shares a clip of Stella Adler's intense demeanor:

  "You have to act with your soul. You can't do this." (01:02)

• Shayne reflects on Adler's influence in theater education:

  "As soon as I got into acting and came out here, it was like Stella Adler and UTA Hagen they mentioned them so much." (01:17)

The hosts ponder the relevance of traditional acting methods in modern performance, highlighting Adler's passionate approach.

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Real-Life Characters: The Unsung Heroes of Humor

Shayne introduces the episode's main theme: celebrating real-life individuals whose unique personalities and behaviors surpass fictional characters in humor and memorability.

"There are people in the real world walking among us who are funnier than any character anyone could ever come up with." (02:08)

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True Crime Fascination: Robert Durst and "Mother God"

The discussion shifts to the realm of true crime, examining how certain real-life figures become iconic through their actions and the media's portrayal.

Robert Durst: A Wealthy Killer Caught in Documentary

• Shayne describes Durst's criminal activities and his eventual capture:

  "He gets caught in the midst of the documentary in the first season... He's a murderer. It is also very funny how he gets caught." (08:00)

• Tommy Bo adds insight into Durst's manipulative interactions:

  "He's like, I'm God. And she's just have to keep justifying it... She's just an alcoholic." (11:57)

Durst's portrayal in documentaries highlights the bizarre intersection of wealth, power, and criminality.

"Mother God": The Downfall of a Cult Leader

• Shayne shares his perplexing experience with the documentary "Mother God":

  "It's like, here's just this drunk lady that they believe and she's like, I'm God." (08:00 - 12:09)

• Amanda emphasizes the disturbing reality of cult psychology:

  "They're so locked in believing, I'm like, there's moments where I couldn't help but laugh out of discomfort." (12:09)

The hosts discuss the unsettling portrayal of individuals who manipulate others into believing in their divine status, underscoring the complexities of human psychology.

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Reality TV Icons: Abby Lee Miller and Dance Moms

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Abby Lee Miller, the formidable figure from the reality TV show Dance Moms.

• Tommy Bo recounts Abby's fiery introduction to reality TV:

  "She calls the cops and she's like, no. No weapons. Just her mouth. And then it was like, sold." (17:14)

• Shayne admires Abby's relentless confidence:

  "I wish I had that. I'm Tommy Bo in the way that she's like, I'm Abby." (21:11)

• Tommy Bo outlines Abby's tumultuous journey:

  "She goes to jail on camera... Abby Lee Miller is in the car crying, eating macaroni salad... she fights and beats cancer and goes back to Dance Moms season eight in her wheelchair." (19:24)

The hosts highlight Abby's complex persona—her authoritative teaching style, personal struggles, and enduring presence in reality TV.

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Comparisons to Other Reality TV Personalities

The conversation expands to compare Abby Lee Miller with other prominent reality TV figures, focusing on their ability to entertain through intense and unfiltered personalities.

Wendy Williams: The Iconic Talk Show Host

• Shayne shares his humorous take on Wendy Williams:

  "She puts her hand up to her mouth... she's like, what’s happening?" (24:00)

• Amanda and Tommy Bo appreciate Wendy's unabashed authenticity:

  "They ask who’s that? Turn the camera away." (24:38)

Wendy Williams' candid and often confrontational style serves as a benchmark for impactful reality TV hosting.

Vanessa Lachey: Struggling with Authenticity

• Shayne critiques Vanessa Lachey's hosting style:

  "She’s trying really hard to be like Wendy Williams... she's doing it wrong." (36:53)

• Amanda expresses frustration with Vanessa's performance:

  "I can't stand when she sits there perfectly right... it's all a performance." (35:43)

The hosts discuss Vanessa's challenges in embodying a strong reality TV presence, contrasting her approach with that of established icons like Abby and Wendy.

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TikTok Phenomena: Embracing the Quirky and Unfiltered

Delving into social media, the hosts explore various TikTok personalities who stand out for their unique, sometimes odd, behaviors.

Tommy Bo's TikTok Discoveries

• Tommy Bo introduces several eclectic TikTokers:
  • Tonetta: An avant-garde artist known for shocking performances.
  • Harmony: A creator with intense makeup and quirky content.
  • Icy Spicy Leoncy & Lisa Gale: Musicians with unconventional styles.

"She made this song... 'I'm gonna tickle your ass with my tongue.'" (62:14)

• Shayne praises the authenticity and creativity of these creators:

  "They're the best... They just don't apologize." (65:02)

Case Studies: Unique TikTok Content

• Shayne discusses Dr. Parkenstein:

  "He's obsessed with anything from the 20s or before... he's either going to kill Superman or save the world." (46:07)

• Amanda highlights how older TikTok users bring a distinct flavor to the platform:

  "They just don't apologize... It's so committed to their very specific thing." (56:31)

The hosts admire TikTokers who embrace their individuality without conforming to mainstream trends, emphasizing the platform's role in showcasing authentic personalities.

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Art and Authenticity in the Digital Age

The episode touches upon the essence of true artistry and the challenges creators face in maintaining authenticity amidst the pressure to perform for views.

• Tommy Bo underscores the importance of owning one's unique style:

  "They have to own their shit." (37:58)

• Amanda reflects on the balance between effort and genuine expression:

  "I can always tell when a TikTok is trying really hard." (57:00)

The discussion emphasizes that the most impactful content often stems from genuine passion and self-expression rather than calculated attempts to garner attention.

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Conclusion and Takeaways

Smosh Mouth Episode #48 offers an engaging exploration of real-life characters across acting, reality TV, and social media platforms. By examining figures like Abby Lee Miller, Wendy Williams, and various TikTok personalities, the hosts celebrate the diversity and authenticity that make these individuals captivating. The episode underscores the value of genuine self-expression and the impact of unfiltered personalities in today's digital landscape.

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Notable Quotes

• Amanda on Stella Adler's passion:

  "You have to act with your soul. You can't do this." (01:02)

• Shayne on real-life humor:

  "There are people in the real world walking among us who are funnier than any character anyone could ever come up with." (02:08)

• Shayne on Abby Lee Miller's influence:

  "I wish I had that. I'm Tommy Bo in the way that she's like, I'm Abby." (21:11)

• Shayne critiquing Vanessa Lachey:

  "She’s trying really hard to be like Wendy Williams... she's doing it wrong." (36:53)

• Tommy Bo on TikTok authenticity:

  "You have to own your shit." (37:58)

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Timestamp Guide

• 00:26 – Episode Introduction
• 00:36 – Stella Adler Discussion
• 02:08 – Real-Life Characters Theme
• 07:00 – Robert Durst and True Crime
• 08:00 – "Mother God" Documentary
• 14:23 – Abby Lee Miller Overview
• 23:19 – Wendy Williams and Vanessa Lachey Comparisons
• 38:00 – TikTok Personalities Exploration
• 56:31 – Authenticity in Art
• 65:02 – Conclusion Remarks

Note: Timestamps refer to the minutes and seconds mark in the transcript.

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Transcript

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[Amanda]

And I'm Amanda. And we have a very special guest with us, Tommy Bo. It's Radius Tommy Bo Pey's podcast.

[Shane]

Today, Amanda was showing us a clip of the famous acting coach Stella Adler absolutely losing her shit.

[Amanda]

She's very, very angry. I don't know why my Instagram is serving me Stella Adler acting videos, but it is.

[Tommy Bo]

Can you do two seconds of that?

[Amanda]

Well, she. You have to act with your soul. You can't do this.

[Shane]

Why don't we act with our soul for anyone?

[Amanda]

There you go.

[Shane]

For people who aren't into maybe, I'm sure that. Do they talk about Stella Adler in, like, theater classes in high school and stuff?

[Amanda]

Yeah, they kind of did. Sometimes they'll mention it because as soon.

[Shane]

As I got into acting and came out here, it was like Stella Adler and UTA Hagen and they mentioned them so much, even though they're more like theater acting coaches. They're not like film interview.

[Amanda]

No, they're theater. There's a Stella Adler body theater.

[Shane]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's. There's all. There's every kind of theater.

[Amanda]

But no, no, Stella Adler's one of them.

[Shane]

Yeah. So anyways, that's what we were talking about right before and that's why you guys did that.

[Amanda]

It sounds like they're holding in their teeth with their tongue.

[Tommy Bo]

Their teeth in the middle of their mouth with their tongue.

[Shane]

She's not even like. I guess she is kind of old in that, but she's just kind of nuts.

[Amanda]

She's kind of old, but the way.

[Tommy Bo]

Her arms were flailing, I'm assuming she's pretty nuts.

[Amanda]

It's the end. I think it's the end of the time. She's like, I still got it. She's nuts.

[Shane]

Today we're talking about characters again. Except today we're talking about our favorite real life characters, people we see on the Internet. People from reality television or just anywhere. But there are people in the real world walking among us who are funnier than any character anyone could ever come up with.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane]

And we'll be talking about that today. But first, Tommy, how are you doing?

[Tommy Bo]

I'm doing fantastic. I've got sunburns on both of my arms, but just little ones.

[Shane]

How'd you get little ones?

[Tommy Bo]

Well, I was at Universal yesterday and I saw. Okay, speaking of characters, imagine, here we are walking through Universal. It's closing time in Universal. We're all walking on this five foot tall woman. She was the smallest woman I've ever seen. She was like, she's so much shorter than 5 foot. I don't look down. And she was like 50 and, like, beet red and, like, sweaty. And she was with, like, her family. And she, like, walks over to the, like, churro stand or something, and she shouts at them and she's like, do you want cinnamon or vanilla? They're closed. It just, like, really got me for some reason, dude. But I, like, clocked her. I was like, study, study, study. Got it.

[Amanda]

Yeah. Universal is probably an amazing, amazing place to see real people, real characters.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, yeah, it's great.

[Shane]

Disneyland.

[Amanda]

They're closed.

[Shane]

It's the best is in the afternoon at a theme park, because then families start to argue. They start to get tired. So you get to sometimes get a show while you're in line.

[Tommy Bo]

Yep.

[Shane]

And you know, they have entertainment in the lines for rides, but you get the real entertainment when it's like, Nancy. Okay, what are we going to do? All right, we got to figure out what we're going to do next. Okay, guys. All right. Well, Steven's hungry.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

So are we going to eat? Are we going to eat after this?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And I'm like, this is awesome.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. They just spent $6,000 to fly across the country to California or Florida.

[Shane]

Fight. Yeah.

[Amanda]

And I love the people where they're too loud, but one of them doesn't want the public to know their fight. So they're like, stop it, Steven. Stop it.

[Shane]

Stop.

[Amanda]

They're looking around all stressed, and you're like, I see it all. You see everything that's happening right now.

[Tommy Bo]

It's truly the best place to look at, like, character walks, too. Oh, the limps I saw yesterday, New limps that you never even thought of before.

[Amanda]

She's at one. What?

[Tommy Bo]

It was crazy. I loved it. It was awesome. Everyone walks weird. It's the best.

[Shane]

Remember, this was, like, a few months ago, but we were impersonating everyone's Walk at smosh.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane]

We got really hooked on this for a while where we were just talking about, like. Oh, yeah. And we would bring up a different co worker, and then we would all try to impersonate how they walk. And we realized that every single person has a unique walk.

[Amanda]

Unique walk. Some people walk on their toes. Some people walk on their heels. Some. Some people walk, like, chin forward.

[Shane]

Yeah. Chest forward.

[Amanda]

Some people walk like they're about to get in an argument.

[Shane]

My walk is insane. Apparently, whenever people impersonate, the walk is insane.

[Amanda]

Your arms are out and you're boom, boom.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

How's my walk? What do I do?

[Shane]

Your walk? Is this your walk? Is this.

[Amanda]

Your walk is up, up, up. And you're tight. It's very tight. Like, your whole body is like, squeeze it in. And your chin is a little bit up and you're. And you kind of tug at your shirt a little bit.

[Shane]

You tug at your shirt. You.

[Amanda]

I tug at my shirt.

[Shane]

You've always got the middle. You've always got the middle of your shirt.

[Amanda]

All thy time.

[Tommy Bo]

All thy time.

[Shane]

All thy time.

[Amanda]

I do constantly adjusting same. It's so annoying.

[Shane]

And I think you've got a little bit of a bounce.

[Amanda]

I have a bounce?

[Shane]

You got a little bit of a bounce.

[Tommy Bo]

You got a little bit of a bounce.

[Amanda]

I skip into work. Yeah, I definitely have a bounce.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, you have a flowiness, but a heaviness to your wall.

[Amanda]

Yeah, yeah. Flowiness and a heaviness.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. It's, like, secure, but it's also like you're not, like, E L ly and that, like. Right.

[Amanda]

And I feel like. Like Olivia feels like she's about to, like, walk into a wall, but, like, very aggressively. She's like, Olivia.

[Shane]

Olivia's walk off and also includes her looking at her phone.

[Tommy Bo]

Right.

[Shane]

Some people. Some people have that.

[Amanda]

Yes. Angela has that for sure.

[Shane]

Yeah. Angela's is fast, Angels.

[Amanda]

Very, very fast.

[Shane]

Who's the fastest? Like, unconsciously. Who's the fastest walker amongst the cast? It might be Angela. You're pretty fast, though.

[Amanda]

I'm pretty fast.

[Shane]

You are pretty also.

[Tommy Bo]

Right.

[Amanda]

I cover a lot of ground.

[Shane]

You are all. You are also walking fast.

[Amanda]

I am fast, but.

[Shane]

Yeah. You know, your strides cover about 20ft.

[Amanda]

Yeah, I think Angela walks fast, but she kind of zigzags.

[Shane]

She's kind of a little like.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, she's escaping a crocodile or something.

[Amanda]

Yeah, I guess maybe it's me or.

[Shane]

It'S you or Angela.

[Amanda]

I walk pretty fast. I have a lot of things to do to get done Right.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Go to the bathroom and look at my phone. You know what I'm saying?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. Gotta get that done.

[Shane]

You have to get that done.

[Amanda]

I do. I really do. Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Wow.

[Shane]

Wow, wow.

[Tommy Bo]

Let's talk characters. Let's talk characters that we love so much that we know of.

[Amanda]

I have one recently that I didn't actually write down. That just popped in my head. It's probably because I'm watching the Jinx. Jinx Part two.

[Shane]

Who?

[Tommy Bo]

Who?

[Amanda]

The first of all the two. I don't want to give any spoilers. So this is a spoiler. Well, maybe it's not, but it's. It's Bob Durst when he talks on the phone to every relative he knows while he's in jail.

[Shane]

Bob. That guy's insane.

[Amanda]

They go, you have a. You have a call from Bob. And he goes, meredith, it's Bob. They're put. That lady's so stupid. She's so stupid. They're putting me on the stand tomorrow.

[Tommy Bo]

He's like, it's a good impression.

[Shane]

No, he truly.

[Amanda]

You're caught up, right?

[Shane]

Yeah, for the most part, I'm mostly caught up.

[Tommy Bo]

It helps to have the downgrade of the phone audio with that kind of voice.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Shane]

For anyone who doesn't know who Robert Durst is, he's a super rich guy who murdered several people. And it's. When you watch the show, what's the most baffling part is how the fuck did this idiot get away with it? Because he's so insane.

[Amanda]

He spent his whole life covering up one murder, then someone else, then murdered.

[Shane]

Another person, and then murdered another person, and he murdered these people. He basically got away with it because he's so wealthy and powerful, and then agreed to go on this documentary about him, which is basically the reason he got caught. And they interview lawyers, and the lawyers, like, I have no idea why he did this. It's the reason he got caught. It's crazy. He gets caught in the midst of the documentary in the first season, which is. It is terrifying. He's a murderer. It is also very funny how he gets caught.

[Amanda]

Yep.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes.

[Shane]

How he gets caught is hilarious. And he straight up goes to the bathroom with his mic on and he's peeing in a urinal. He goes, I murdered them all.

[Tommy Bo]

Well, I did it.

[Shane]

Well, I did it. I murdered them while pissing. You're watching, you're like, what the fuck is happening?

[Amanda]

Yeah. And season two, he still gives up things where you're like, what are you do? And I love his close circle of friends who are just all the women that come in, they go, hi, Bob. And he goes, stand over there, I want to see how you look.

[Shane]

God.

[Amanda]

And they stand away and he goes, you still look sexy. And they're like, no, no, they're like 75 year old women. No, it's. Anyways, that's something that popped up.

[Shane]

It feels really bad when you're watching like a true crime thing or just like a serious documentary and there is someone in it that is just kind of funny in a way and just like as who they are. So I finally watched something that you told me about. I finally watched Mother God.

[Amanda]

Oh no, I didn't tell you about that.

[Shane]

You didn't tell me about that.

[Amanda]

I haven't seen it.

[Shane]

You haven't seen it?

[Amanda]

No, I know.

[Shane]

Oh my God, Amanda, you will freak over this.

[Amanda]

Someone kind of gave it away to me a little bit and it makes me like, oh my God.

[Tommy Bo]

It is turn blue lady.

[Shane]

Yes, it is very uncomfortable. It's not a, like it's, it's a weird kind of documentary, right, because, because it's not like a true, it's not like a murder or anything. It's not like these people are like they didn't kill someone necessarily. Basically, this lady, she started a cult full on of people who believed she was God and she was telling them she was God. And at a certain point it gets, it gets to the point where she's drinking so much colloidal silver and also alcohol and just everything alcoholic. She's a super alcoholic. She is fully just blue and dying from all the stuff she's putting in her body. And, and this is the thing though, this is what makes this documentary series absolutely crazy though is they're, they're interviewing the people now and they all still believe she's God. So as opposed to a, a, a what you would normally get where it's people being like, this is how I got sucked into this cult. And it's crazy. These are people being like talking about like she returned and she returned and we knew that she would come back and they're, they're like, yes. And she was God. And it was crazy to know that she was God. And you're watching the, the documentary like you guys really. And then you're watching, you're watching the footage and it's like, here's just this drunk lady that they believe and she's like, I'm God. And they had to keep justifying it. They were, they're like, yeah, so she could drink more than most people because she was God. And it's like, she's just an alcoholic. It was insane, man. But, like, unfortunately, unfortunately, just seeing these people who are so locked in believing, I'm like, there's. I'm like, this is. There's moments where I couldn't help but like, you're. You're laughing out of discomfort, but also, like, there's no way this is real. But I'm like, I know it is a real thing, but. Oh, my God, these people are, like, just the way that they are. Yes. Anding.

[Tommy Bo]

They're. Yes.

[Shane]

Insane. Like, just at a certain point, because she obviously isn't God. And at a certain point, she's just like, guys, what if I made it all up? What if it's not real? What if stuff? And they were like.

[Tommy Bo]

They're like, no, you are God.

[Shane]

You are God. And so she got to a point where she was.

[Tommy Bo]

She surrounded herself by people who told herself the lie that she was telling other people.

[Amanda]

Of course. That makes sense.

[Tommy Bo]

And they were feeding her the silver because they were like, you said, it's gonna cure you, so here you go. And they're like, drink up, drink up, drink up. And that's what killed her.

[Amanda]

She's dead. She was like, they have her.

[Tommy Bo]

They kidnapped her body for a while.

[Shane]

She died, and they. They like, oh, no. I. Okay. I knew all of this, and I. It was. I was actually glad I knew all of it because it's a lot.

[Tommy Bo]

It's a lot of.

[Shane]

No, they, like, moved her body around because they were like, she's going to come back.

[Tommy Bo]

I thought she was going to come back to life.

[Shane]

She's going to come back into her body.

[Amanda]

I watch under supervision with myself. I need to watch this because it is. What.

[Shane]

No, I started. Watch. I started. I put it on one night, and Courtney and I were watching it, and then I was like, I'm gonna have to watch it. All right. We gotta watch all of this.

[Amanda]

I'm gonna have to watch it.

[Shane]

Yeah, we gotta watch all of. Was unbelievable.

[Amanda]

Yeah. I feel like dark shows like that unfortunately have these characters, because you are seeing people in the most vulnerable place, and they genuinely believe this thing that you're like, huh?

[Tommy Bo]

Right?

[Amanda]

And you're seeing them. And that's honestly why I love human beings. And it's like, I think someone said to me the other day, like, you're kinda fucked up. You watch too much True Crime. And I was like, well, it's people at their most, like, raw and vulnerable.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And I think I like the study of those Type of people. Yeah, it's not like I want to glorify the crime, but I like how people tick, how people operate.

[Shane]

Totally.

[Tommy Bo]

It comes from like the love of human beings.

[Amanda]

Yes, exactly.

[Tommy Bo]

Study of humanity and social stuff.

[Shane]

I have a hard time with true crime. That's like murder stuff. But this one was different because this was like a fascinating cult and like a small type of cult where it's. It was just like more of an interesting. Of human psychology. How people work and what people can get sucked into. Cause a lot of these believers of hers were like, they are just the most normal seeming people.

[Tommy Bo]

Yep, yep.

[Shane]

But then they believe that she's God and that starships are gonna show up and take them all away. Oh no, it's like far. It is like far. Belief.

[Amanda]

They really went there.

[Shane]

Yeah, well, they didn't. They actually didn't go anywhere.

[Amanda]

Yeah, they still believe you.

[Shane]

They actually fully stayed here.

[Tommy Bo]

They're still here. Well, except for one.

[Amanda]

Her. Her.

[Tommy Bo]

Fuck, dude.

[Amanda]

Well, her body isn't back in the hands of Jesus.

[Shane]

God.

[Amanda]

So fucked. So, yeah.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

I think a lot of this, what inspired me was we were talking about someone a while ago, your favorite like reality show person ever. And it's related to what I would say in the past couple months has been my favorite character, which you're gonna be able to guess, but Abby Lee Miller.

[Tommy Bo]

Abby Lee Miller is.

[Shane]

And I will say I've never watched Dance Moms, but over the years, any clip. What?

[Amanda]

Oh boy.

[Shane]

I don't watch a ton of reality. I don't watch a ton of reality tv. Okay, okay. That's where I'm offline. I've never. I've never watched Real Housewives. Oh, I've never. I've never watched Dance Moms. I've never watched Vanderpump Rules. I've never watched all of these, like big ones.

[Amanda]

I never watch Vanderpump Rules. But I get served their crazy dramatic tiktoks all the time of someone throwing a drink.

[Shane]

That's awesome. But I do get served on occasion over the years, clips of Abby Lee Miller. And they're always the. Because they're out of context. And I know nothing about her and I know nothing about what's going on. It is always the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Tommy Bo]

And here's the thing, Shane. They are in context. They are in context.

[Amanda]

Wait, tell us about it. Is your love for Abby Lee Miller?

[Shane]

Who is Abby Lee Miller?

[Amanda]

Wow.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh my God. This is like my dream to just be like Talk about Abby Lee Miller. So Abby Lee Miller is like the. I feel like everyone knows who Abby Lee Miller is, which is iconic, of course. I call her Land Ursula. She is a Land Ursula. She is solely updated. She is. She is a reality TV star. She is iconic. If I ever meet her, I will implode. So I really want to meet her. But also, I never want to meet her because then what is there to do? Basically, she. I'm really containing my energy right now. I'm very proud of myself. I'm like, where do I begin? Basically, she. They wanted to do this show, Dance Moms. They wanted to do this show, Dance Moms, and it was like Toddlers and Tiaras. They were gonna go to different studios and just follow different people. But then they were in love with these three moms. And it turns out they were all part of the same studio. And they were like, well, who's the teacher? What's the teacher like? And they were like, well, she's a large, angry woman. And they were like, film her. And they did film her. And they were like, I think the show is just this studio. And so they filmed the studio. And on the first day of filming, or one of the first day of filming, she's like one of the little girls, she's like, you don't have the right shoes on.

[Shane]

Get out.

[Tommy Bo]

And then her mom comes in and she's like, abby, what the hell?

[Amanda]

You did that.

[Tommy Bo]

And then she's like, get out of my place. And then she, like, calls the. Oh. She's like, every. Every Saturday we take the trash out. Get out. And she always has, like, a good quip. That's why she. I'll get to it in a second. So she calls the cops and she's like, no. No weapons. Just her mouth. And then it was like, sold. And then Abby, it was like, sold. Okay, so she's the best reality TV person because she's, like, built for it. She just knows how to, like, say the right thing. She'd be like, maddy's gonna win this year. And Kendall, we'll see about that. It's always just like. She's very, like. She just talks in that, like, theatrical way. But the reason I love Abby Lee Miller is because throughout the eight seasons of Dance Moms, you see the rise and fall of a woman. You see this woman being given everything. It's like she's the star of the show. She's helping produce it, kind of. She gets locked into a four year contract, which she did not want to do. They tricked her, she got locked in. So now she's in this reality TV show. She's doing this show. She's screaming at children. Here's the thing. She's right in that her corrections are correct and that the world is that hard. Everyone just forgets. Well, Abby always forgets that these are children, and that's always the key. But she's an icon. And so you see her slowly. She's losing weight, her hair's getting bigger. She's angry, but in a controlled way. And then she gets two spinoff shows. She gets Abby's ultimate dance competition, which is where JoJo started. JoJo siwa. On Abby's ultimate dance competition, which is brilliant because it's. It's just an audition show to be on. Regular dance moms, let's make another show of competition. And then if the mom and daughter are good, we'll put them on the regular show. Genius. Anyway, so she gets two spinoff shows now her ego's like. She's like, I am literally God. Colloidal Silver.

[Shane]

She's the real mother. God.

[Tommy Bo]

She's the real mother. God. And then she gets caught for bankruptcy fraud.

[Shane]

Awesome.

[Amanda]

Maybe.

[Tommy Bo]

And so she's.

[Amanda]

How.

[Tommy Bo]

Well, she had filed for bankruptcy before the show all started and everything. And then she got all her spin off shows, and then she went to Australia and smuggled some money back. She was just being a little silly with it all.

[Shane]

That's fucking stellar. How much money did she smuggle, do you know?

[Tommy Bo]

Over, I think it was like over a hundred. It's between over like 100,000 and half a mil somewhere in there.

[Shane]

Fuck you.

[Amanda]

Oh, no problem.

[Tommy Bo]

Right? Badass. And so then Abby Lee Miller goes to jail. And she goes to jail on camera. Abby Lee Miller. Abby Lee Miller is in the car crying, eating macaroni salad or potato salad with her hands and a napkin because there's no silverware. And it's tragic. And you're just like, holy shit. Oh, no. And so Abby Lee Miller goes to jail. It's awful, but it's crazy. You're seeing this woman on camera go to jail for a year. For a year. But then. But then she's in jail for nine months and she gets released to a halfway house. And she has back pain and she goes and see doctor and they misdiagnose her like three or four times. And then finally she gets taken to the hospital. She has lymphoma in her spine. And so Abby Lee Miller, after going to jail now is battling cancer. And so Abby Lee Miller.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God.

[Tommy Bo]

Fights and beats cancer and goes back to Dance mom season eight in her wheelchair. And that's where you've seen that clip where they're like, you don't know theater etiquette. And she's like, eh. And then they're like, where are you going? She's like, I don't know, Baskin Robbins. And then she's like going 50 miles an hour on the sidewalk. And they're like, where is she? Where is she anyway?

[Amanda]

And she goes. And she goes to the police, right, to. To file a complaint against a woman who told. Who verbally assaulted her in her ear.

[Tommy Bo]

To get off the phone.

[Amanda]

To get off the phone during a performance.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes. So Abby Lee to me is like everything I wanna be in that. It's like the confidence and the sheer self belief and self righteousness and all of that. I wish I had that. I'm Tommy Bo in the way that she's like, I'm Abby. And she's also all of my worst qualities as a person of just like I'm always right and I get angry sometimes just like she's like.

[Shane]

In all of my interactions with you, Tommy, I have never once thought that you're like Abby Lee Miller.

[Tommy Bo]

And I'm gonna make that change I have today.

[Shane]

I don't think you'll come across like you think you're right all the time.

[Amanda]

I definitely see some Abby Miller in you see? Yeah. In the best way. When you're like, I see it with your character, bitch. When you're just like, boom, boom, boom. And then yourself goes, you can't do that, Tommy. Come on, Tommy. You can't do that. These are people. But like it's there.

[Shane]

I believe the devil on your shoulder is Abby Lev.

[Amanda]

And maybe take away that confident part of her and put that on because God, incredible.

[Shane]

What is she up to now?

[Tommy Bo]

So after her karmic evening of her life, she has.

[Shane]

She's a Greek myth.

[Tommy Bo]

She is. This is why I love her.

[Shane]

She's a fucking grim fairy tale.

[Tommy Bo]

She was like the Midas touch. Everything turned to gold. She got everything she wanted, but was evil to children, lost. Everything got but the beat cancer. And now she's back on tv. I don't know. So Lifetime cut ties with her because she's also problematic.

[Shane]

Of course.

[Tommy Bo]

Lifetime, the TV show or the TV network cut ties with me.

[Shane]

She's problematic.

[Tommy Bo]

Exactly. And so yeah, so she's trying to do her own show and she's been on some like Imagine Tubi, but even more, who knows? I've never heard of it one of those things. She's done, like a show on that anyway.

[Amanda]

About what?

[Tommy Bo]

Dance moms, but with adult people. So it's like, who cares? Oh, yeah, we want to see y'all at Children again. Anyway, so that's Abby. Now.

[Shane]

She should have, like, a daytime talk show.

[Amanda]

Wow.

[Tommy Bo]

She was actually great friends with Wendy Williams.

[Amanda]

Ooh, Wendy Williams.

[Tommy Bo]

Tough.

[Amanda]

Tough spot.

[Tommy Bo]

Tough spot for Wendy.

[Shane]

But Wendy at her. At her. At her peak is another. That's a similar one where I never watched the show. I didn't even know who she was. But I would occasionally get served clips. I was like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. She's so into. I. I quoted her on Try not to laugh at one point just because we had, like a random cut. And I just go, what was that?

[Tommy Bo]

What was that, James?

[Shane]

No. And unfortunately, the clip with the Britney Spears thing is. Is. Is the funniest delivery of anything I've ever heard in my life. Of like. It's like, shame on you, Mr. Mr. Spears. And you too, Mrs. Spears. Death to all of them.

[Tommy Bo]

And then she's like.

[Shane]

Puts her hand up to her mouth.

[Amanda]

Funny.

[Shane]

You haven't seen it all.

[Amanda]

No, but I have so many Wendy Williams clips where I'm like, oh, my God. And she'll like, call people. She'll look in the audience, go, oh, who's that? Turn the camera away.

[Tommy Bo]

Right?

[Amanda]

And you're like, Wendy.

[Shane]

I've realized because, like, with. With Abby Lee Miller and Wendy Williams, to be a really stellar reality TV show person is really hard because there's a lot of really bad people in the world, right? And being an asshole is often, for the most part, I'd say, not entertaining. Right. People don't want to watch an asshole, right? But to be. You got like, there's a. What is it specifically that Abby Lee Miller and people like Wendy Williams that they do, where it's like, oh, you're crazy. And. And I would say shitty at times to be.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, for sure.

[Shane]

But it's so entertaining.

[Tommy Bo]

They also have that look.

[Amanda]

There's like a wink to the camera of almost like, oh, did I just say that right? It was like a bit of humanity slightly at the end.

[Shane]

Do you think off camera they're that level, or do you think it's. With Abby Lee Miller. It's gotta be real. She's getting actually arrested, right? You're getting real life arrested when she.

[Amanda]

Drove her wheelchair all the way to the police station. Cause someone said in her ear to get off the phone and she filed a police report against them and said she was going to Baskin Robbins. That you can't make, that you can't.

[Shane]

Act, that there's an argument that she is. That is the most impressive reality show personality of all time. So I'm trying to think of who is more unhinged but also perfectly collected to entertain at the same time. That's really hard to get.

[Amanda]

Joe Dirt. Not Joe Dirt.

[Shane]

Joe Dirt.

[Amanda]

Not Joe Dirt.

[Tommy Bo]

The Tiger King.

[Amanda]

Tiger King.

[Shane]

Tiger King was really good. But this.

[Amanda]

Why'd I say Joe Dirt?

[Shane]

Tiger King is. Because this is the thing. You get to a point where it's like, oh, but you're actually like a criminal. Like you're. I mean, Abby Lee Miller is a criminal, but like. Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes.

[Amanda]

Yeah. Tiger King is also a criminal.

[Shane]

But Tiger King I think is too much to watch for eight years.

[Amanda]

No, no, no. I could not.

[Shane]

Tiger King was that. And Carole Baskins, they're enough for that.

[Amanda]

Carol Baskins I could watch maybe for eight years.

[Shane]

You think so?

[Amanda]

Carol Baskin.

[Shane]

And then we found out that she didn't. She's not a murderer.

[Amanda]

Oh, her husband is alive. What she said from day one.

[Shane]

But.

[Amanda]

But Tiger King is.

[Shane]

I just think. I just. I've. I've said this before, and it's the reason why whenever I've done characters that are women, they're always like a woman in their 60s or older. Because I think women in their 60s and 70s have the capacity to be the funniest people on the planet.

[Tommy Bo]

Absolutely.

[Shane]

They. They just.

[Amanda]

They give no shits anymore. I feel like most of them. And I feel like Abby Lee Miller maybe started that way. Maybe she was born that way.

[Shane]

What do you think Abby Lee Miller was like when she was a teenager?

[Tommy Bo]

I think she's always been this like bombastic psycho. I think she's always been just a looney Tune. I think the ego trip made her worse and then the other stuff made her better. And now she's had like 10 facelifts and her face is all stretched back to the back of her head.

[Shane]

Does that make her more powerful, do you think?

[Tommy Bo]

I honestly think it makes her less powerful.

[Amanda]

I was gonna say.

[Tommy Bo]

Cause she's like, I'm pretty. And it's like, no, you're a demon.

[Amanda]

Yeah. Now go back.

[Tommy Bo]

Go back to being a demon. That's why I love you.

[Amanda]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shane]

I was gonna say. Cause it's related to it, but a character, like a real life character that I've been kind of obsessed with and it's One that's been getting served to me a bunch is jojo Siwa.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes.

[Shane]

And you know, here's the thing.

[Amanda]

Oh, me too.

[Shane]

I have no, like real. As you all know, I don't know music. I don't know dance. I don't know this stuff. I can't really judge it. So people are talking about the song, talk about all the controversies of the song. Whether it's a good song or not, whether she's a good dancer or not. I don't really care. What I'm more fascinated about is any clip I see of her talking. Any clip of her. Just all the moves she's doing. And here's the thing everyone's talking about. It's like she's doing really bad marketing. She's doing this all wrong. I'm like, but did she just spend these past eight years unconsciously learning from Abby Lee Miller to become really good at fascinating us all? Because I gotta admit, I think she is as a person so funny. Like the clips I get served are so fucking funny.

[Amanda]

Her dance. Her, her. I saw a whole montage of that fucking crazy ass dance that she does.

[Shane]

Awesome.

[Amanda]

So like random strangers sometimes I saw this compilation of like a fan going up to her and then she just dropped her purse and did the dance for the fan. And the fan was like, I didn't ask for this.

[Shane]

But you're talking about someone who has spent their teenage years, their formative years with a car with their face all over it.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. With a millions of dollars Nickelodeon deal. Insane left dance moms to go to Nickelodeon and then immediately afterward was like.

[Amanda]

I'm going to wear black all day.

[Shane]

Do you think she gets off camera and she's just like, anyways, so that voice is crazy.

[Amanda]

I don't know what she does.

[Shane]

We'll see. By the time this episode airs, there's. I feel like there's always a new thing with JoJo Siwa all the time. Yeah, there will be some. There will be a bunch of new developments. But as of what has happened so far, I think it's so funny. Dream guest on my podcast.

[Tommy Bo]

Dream guest on my podcast.

[Shane]

Let's make it interesting. I think we're people are underplaying like being like she doesn't know what she's doing and stuff. I'm like, give her time.

[Tommy Bo]

I think she knows.

[Shane]

I think she's going to be 100. My theory is that JoJo Siwa knows, like, okay, I'm not going to be a singer dancer, like professional singer dancer, but I will find a way to be famous.

[Amanda]

I'll be Abby Lee Miller.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, she's an icon. She's not a artist.

[Shane]

She.

[Tommy Bo]

She really struggled with that.

[Shane]

Jojo Siwa did have that interview. She's like, I'm not a singer. I'm an entertainer. And I'm like, you are an entertainer. You are entertaining people. But this look, the look is crazy. Look.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

It feels like she went to a fair and got face paint on. Look at what she wasn't taking it off.

[Shane]

What she was raised within, though, like.

[Amanda]

No, it's true.

[Shane]

She hasn't probably gotten a chance to live in reality.

[Amanda]

I don't think she has at all.

[Tommy Bo]

Her mom made her perform. I hate that. I know all this shit.

[Amanda]

No, I love it.

[Tommy Bo]

I'm so embarrassed. Her mom made her perform. Me, okay, so you see me walk out the door of this building. I get in my car and I go work out. And then I go home and I eat a protein shake and I turn on a YouTube video. That's like, what was JoJo Siwa's childhood like? And then I'm like, yeah, so if you're ever wondering why I'm mentally ill. But her mom would make her perform and stuff, like, wake her up. And she's like a little girl. Wake her up. If she had friends over. Her mom had friends over. Wake her up and be like, do the dance for us. So she's been a performer forever anyway.

[Amanda]

So she did not have a childhood. All she knows to do is entertain and perform for people and try things out.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah. I'm sure it was not a fun existence at all.

[Tommy Bo]

What do you mean?

[Shane]

I'm having a great time, but I think she's unironically so funny.

[Tommy Bo]

She's very funny.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And she had that. I did see the clip of her. They had that reunion, and she's like kind of praising Abby Lee Miller, saying she was right. And all the other dancers just like, what the fuck are you talking about? But I'm like, I. I think Jojo Si Will probably could. Has potential to be the next Abby Lee Miller. Maybe with less crime.

[Tommy Bo]

Maybe with less crime, but I don't know.

[Amanda]

Has her own power to her. Like, land. Ursula is the greatest.

[Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda]

Greatest compare I've ever heard in my entire life.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, she is.

[Amanda]

That's what it is. And. And you can't. I don't think JoJo Siwa could ever be an Ursula.

[Tommy Bo]

No.

[Shane]

Yeah. It reminds me thinking of Abby Lee Miller. I play a game sometimes with Courtney because Courtney watches RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Shane]

And so when I'm watching it, you know, I'll kind of come in and out. I'm like, I'll, like, watch parts of it, but they do the Snatch Game.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes. The impersonation.

[Shane]

And it's. And it's all about. And a game I like to play with Courtney is I like to try to guess who are drag icons, and I like trying to figure out what makes a drag icon, because not necessarily. It's like, there's a lot of women who are like, that's a powerful, high achieving, incredible, kind woman. And then there's some that are like, oh, but that person's a piece of shit. But they're a drag icon because they're hilarious. Like, what? And I'm like. So I'm always trying to guess, and I would assume is Abby Lee Miller's. Absolutely got it, 100%.

[Tommy Bo]

Well, she is a drag. She would tease her hair, like, this fucking tall. She would wear costume jewelry that was, like, five oranges taped together. It's, like, crazy. Yeah. She was a drag. She, like, is a drag queen.

[Shane]

She's not real.

[Tommy Bo]

She's not real.

[Amanda]

She's not real.

[Shane]

That's so awesome.

[Amanda]

Holy shit. That's really funny.

[Shane]

I'm trying to think of anyone from reality television who I think is like. Cause, like, I watch Love is Blind when that's around.

[Amanda]

Vanessa Lachey.

[Shane]

Vanessa Lachey. I hate when you do the Vanessa. I hate her so much.

[Amanda]

He's gonna have another baby, and Nick's just there like, yeah, yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Okay, honey.

[Amanda]

Who's gonna have another? Like, I think he. I think maybe Nick Lachey actually died, and then they made a clone version of him, and he has not aged. He has not changed. And he just goes, yes, honey, that sounds good. And she goes, yeah. She just slaps him in the middle of the night. Like, she. Not a lot of people drive me crazy. She makes me so angry. As a reality host, can I ask.

[Tommy Bo]

Do you like that or do you hate that? Do you enjoy this anger that she gives you?

[Shane]

Like, Like. Because this is the thing. Because there are worse people than Vanessa Lachey by a mile who are entertaining. But you're saying Vanessa Shea, like Denise.

[Amanda]

Richards sometimes on Real Housewives, I'm like, oh, my God, she makes me so angry. But, like, not really.

[Shane]

But you want.

[Amanda]

I kind of can't stop watching.

[Shane]

You want to keep watching.

[Amanda]

No. Vanessa Lachey, I, like, would love to just never see her ever again in my life. I would be psyched, and I think this is my therapy.

[Shane]

That's what I mean. Of why I think reality TV is actually really hard to nail. It is, like, we talk about, like, reality TV stars. Like, you're just a reality TV star. I'm like, that's a hard job. Yeah, it's a hard job to do it, right. Yeah, you can just go and do it. Exactly.

[Amanda]

And I just think that she was given this thing, and they didn't. Like, they didn't do, like, a full background check on, like.

[Shane]

Like, hey, well, she just had all the power.

[Amanda]

You're okay with single people, right? And she's like, yeah, I'm okay with single people, but she despises anyone who's not married. And, like, I. I just can't stand when she is a host. I think she's extremely biased.

[Shane]

She. Oh, my God. I. Every single. Every Single reunion, I'm like, she has to be doing this on purpose, where she purposefully, like, gives the benefit of the doubt to the worst people in the cast.

[Tommy Bo]

I noticed.

[Shane]

And then picks a random. Like, nobody's innocent in Love is Blind. Like, every season. Everyone's kind of a piece of shit, usually. But she. She'll always just pick one person and just be like, I fucking hate you, and I'm going for you. And it's like, why did you pick them? Like, meanwhile someone else who, like, tried to murder someone or, like, lied the whole season, she's just like, we're all here for you, and I hope you're feeling good, and I hope you're doing better. And it's just like, what the Is going on?

[Amanda]

And she's all. What I can't stand is, like, she's perfectly done up at any time in Love is Blind. Like, when they're doing their wedding dresses, she comes in, she's like, are we so excited for the wedding? And she's, like, all done up. It's all a performance. And so I can't stand when she sits there with, like, her back perfectly right, her hand gripping Nick's hand, because he's. Well, he's dead. He can't be.

[Shane]

No, she's pressing the buttons on his wrist, and he's going like this. Yeah, that's great, honey. Yeah, that's great, honey.

[Amanda]

Yeah, exactly. I want more kids, honey. I want more kids, honey. And I just. I can't stand that she's, like, all done up. And she's a beautiful woman. She really is, but she just spews.

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[Shane]

VGW Group Void we're prohibited by law 21 + terms and conditions apply. Venom I My theory, my theory on Vanessa Lachey is I just think she is trying really. I think she's trying really hard to be like a Wendy Williams or to be like some of these hosts to like spice things up and aren't afraid to like cause controversy. But I don't think she's doing it right. Cause I don't think she's like that in person. That's my theory.

[Tommy Bo]

Right.

[Shane]

I think she gets on there, she's like, I gotta be this like intense, insane, like.

[Amanda]

Yeah. She's like devil's advocate. And I'm like, drama.

[Shane]

It's like you're just doing it wrong. But that shows how hard it is to do.

[Amanda]

I think so. I just don't like. I think Abby Lee Miller and Wendy Williams naturally have this like, fuck y'all. Like, I don't care.

[Tommy Bo]

I'm gonna do my own thing regardless of what you say.

[Amanda]

And I feel like Vanessa Lachey is really putting on skin. Like she's picking up different skin. And when she's home she's like, you.

[Shane]

Know what she needs to do? She needs to pull a Wendy Williams next time they do the reunion. She's hosting it, she's saying her shit, but then she just needs to cough and fart and then it's all good.

[Amanda]

God, she would never, she would never let that happen. SHANE I also, what I think is great about Wendy Williams and Abby Lee Miller is that they're like, I am fucking going to destroy you. And they admit it. Whereas Vanessa Lachey is like, I'm a good person and I love you.

[Shane]

That's fair.

[Amanda]

When people don't own up to their shit, they'll never exist as a fucking icon.

[Shane]

It's true.

[Tommy Bo]

You have to own your shit.

[Amanda]

You have to own your shit.

[Tommy Bo]

And my God, I love how much you hate.

[Amanda]

She doesn't. I know it's bad. Angela like tried to watch the reunion with me and she was like, I can't do this.

[Tommy Bo]

Like you, because of you.

[Amanda]

She's like, you just really, really are struggling.

[Shane]

She turns over and you're just like breaking the arm rests on your chair.

[Amanda]

Anyways.

[Shane]

Do you talk shit at the TV when you're watching it?

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah. Oh, big time. I'm like, leave her alone. Like, remember that fucking video where the guy's like, leave Brittany alone. Yes to Vanessa Lachey. No to anyone else. Not Vanessa Lachey.

[Shane]

Vanessa Lachey. That's really funny. Pretty much, man.

[Tommy Bo]

Wow.

[Shane]

That's crazy.

[Amanda]

That's my journey.

[Shane]

Okay, so Abby Lee Miller, JoJo Siwa.

[Tommy Bo]

Vanessa, what do you got? Show.

[Amanda]

I love all these icons. Can I be honest? You guys are gonna be like, okay, I'm obsessed with Barefoot Contessa. I know that.

[Tommy Bo]

Ina Garten.

[Amanda]

I love Ina Garten.

[Tommy Bo]

Is it garden or gart?

[Amanda]

Garden Garten.

[Shane]

Is that her name?

[Tommy Bo]

Ena Garten. Garten.

[Amanda]

Ina Garten.

[Shane]

Ina Garten.

[Tommy Bo]

Ina Garten.

[Amanda]

I love her.

[Tommy Bo]

She's got her gay friend.

[Amanda]

I love her so much. And someone on Instagram does impersonations.

[Tommy Bo]

I know.

[Amanda]

He is so amazing. I love it. Me and my sister send his impersonations back and forth where he goes, oh, it's 4th of July and I'm making my Cosmopolitan and it's this huge fucking martini cup. And then this guy comes around. It's like, Jeffrey, get out of here. Her husband who always eats her food. Have you ever seen Barefoot Contessa?

[Shane]

I know of Barefoot Contessa, but. And I think my mom loves Barefoot Contessa.

[Amanda]

To me, she is a.

[Shane]

She's been around forever, right?

[Amanda]

She's an icon. And I listened to her on Wiser Than Me, the Julia Louis Dreyfuss podcast, and she knows herself. She is like, says what she needs. She's like, oh, I didn't want kids. Of course not. Why would I want that? And Jeffrey was like, okay. And, like, she wears the same button down, and she had Talbot's make these button downs in, like, a hundred different colors and different fabrics for her.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes, see, that's iconic.

[Amanda]

Exactly. To me, she is iconic.

[Shane]

Is Barefoot Contessa a drag icon? I don't feel like I've heard.

[Amanda]

I don't think. Drag icon.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't think she's a drag icon. Only because she's. Her mannerisms and, like, outward performance is very, like, tame and lovely.

[Amanda]

Yes, yes.

[Tommy Bo]

But that.

[Shane]

You gotta be big.

[Tommy Bo]

You gotta be like.

[Shane]

Gotta be like.

[Amanda]

Yeah, but she's a little. She's a little icon to me.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes.

[Amanda]

In my head. Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. There's a guy that I miss. He was on TikTok and he disappeared off of TikTok I think I found him on Instagram recently.

[Amanda]

You showed me him, right?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, yeah. This is Tommy Recommendation hour on TikTok. He was getting fit with Lee Howard.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Tommy Bo]

And he's this 58 year old sun baked white guy who wears like a bandana instead of hair. Cause he's like balding and he's like really slim and he wears these like really tight leggings and it's like all about his like freaky bulge and like his like plump old man ass. And so he. It's. Okay. So basically it starts and he's like, oh, let me see if I can get his voice. Cause it's really scary.

[Amanda]

Yeah, you got it.

[Tommy Bo]

He's got. He's like trying to speak gentle, but there's all of this anger in the background. And it's so fascinating because he'll be like, hold on, let me see. He's like, hey, welcome to the party.

[Amanda]

How are you today?

[Tommy Bo]

I feel like sunshine. And then it'll cut to him like fast forward dancing and it'll be like. And then it'll like flip around and then he'll like take the phone and show his crotch and show his ass and then he'll be on a bicycle. And then it'll. It's just like. It's like manic anger in an old man.

[Shane]

It's not a joke. No. He's being for real. Yes. That's incredible.

[Tommy Bo]

He's. I really like, there was a minute there where I was like, I need to take two months off of Smosh, get a documentary crew, find this man and interview him.

[Amanda]

But he deleted his.

[Tommy Bo]

He deleted his TikTok.

[Shane]

What?

[Amanda]

Deleted his TikTok.

[Shane]

Is he anywhere else?

[Tommy Bo]

He's on Instagram. He also makes music and it's not bad.

[Shane]

Whoa.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't know.

[Amanda]

Whoa. Really?

[Tommy Bo]

Yes. He like plays. I mean, it's all.

[Amanda]

Oh boy.

[Shane]

That's incredible.

[Amanda]

He like went to. He feels like he went to Woodstock and he's like. And he's got like.

[Tommy Bo]

He did the wrong drugs at Woodstock is what he did.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

He's really angry, but he wants everyone to experience nature.

[Tommy Bo]

Why isn't everyone dancing?

[Amanda]

Yes. Yes.

[Tommy Bo]

It's like, calm down.

[Shane]

Your for you page is the most incredible for you page I've ever seen.

[Tommy Bo]

Thank you.

[Shane]

Tommy will send me Tick tock sometimes or just show me. And you find Tick tocks. It'll have like four likes.

[Tommy Bo]

That's right.

[Shane]

And it is somehow so funny. Yeah. You had just. It's just an old person doing a filter.

[Tommy Bo]

Yep.

[Shane]

And you Showed us one a second ago. It was like this old lady and it's just like going through these filters and it just says, you will never find love.

[Amanda]

I know.

[Shane]

And then she's just there, just like.

[Amanda]

I know. And Tommy introduces me to so many amazing things. You introduced me to. What was it called? Palm.

[Tommy Bo]

Class of Palm Beach. It's this woman that goes around Palm beach county, which is where I'm from. So Palm beach county, there's the rich part and then there's like the retirement, not rich part. And that's where I grew up, which is why I was like, I gotta get out of here. So much death. So Class of Palm beach is basically this woman who you never see. She's always. You hear her voice, she's recording. She, like, finds these old people that are, like, dressed up all the way, like Gucci, all the brand names, and they always have, like the weirdest, like, plastic surgery face, or they're like, decrepit. Or they have like, their husband who's like, no, no, don't film me, don't film me.

[Amanda]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He plays golf all day. And they just get dressed.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes, they all day. And they walk around and they go home.

[Amanda]

And they walk around, they go home. And it's very. It's very that Florida colors. Like bright pink.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes.

[Amanda]

Like kind of a bright blue or like a neon green. And they're done up. And this woman interviews them. She goes, what are you wearing?

[Tommy Bo]

Well, I'm wearing Gucci top. And then I've got these pants. These from River Moses?

[Amanda]

Yep.

[Tommy Bo]

And my shoes.

[Shane]

You don't want to know how old those are.

[Tommy Bo]

Yep. Then it's like, just come to my house. It's always like, whoa.

[Amanda]

And they're done up so intensely, I'd be like, yeah, well, this is. This is a Prada. And they're. And they're just the plastic.

[Tommy Bo]

Her eyes are like nothing.

[Amanda]

Nothing is moving in their body. And they're on the street and they're kind of like ready to. Ready to go somewhere, but they're stuck there. And they're literally done up like they're going to a fucking party.

[Tommy Bo]

Yep. They're the best.

[Amanda]

One of the greatest TikToks.

[Tommy Bo]

It's just like a great, like visual character study, you know? You're like, wow, look at these rich old ladies.

[Shane]

Your TikTok feed is almost entirely old people. Is there anyone under 50 on your page?

[Tommy Bo]

Yes, I have plenty of, like, medium age people since doing more TikTok stuff for Smosh My. For your page is Shifting to more regular things, which is a tragedy. But it's worth it to, like, know what actually is. Cause it's like. Like when I made us do that one, like, inside meme about the. The Chinese trading company or whatever and, like, flopped. I'm like, right. Because I'm doing something that's based on my for you page.

[Shane]

I got served a couple of those.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, okay.

[Shane]

Yeah, I got that. That had high views. So I don't know. It's. Well, our stuff is. There's so much.

[Tommy Bo]

Right.

[Shane]

There's so much of it. And I don't know what people. Who we are on their feed, what they're. What they're getting. I. I recently. My favorite Tiktoker. I would say he's my favorite, like, just as a person recently reappeared back on my TikTok feed after a while. His name is Dr. Parkenstein. And so he's this guy. He's fucking awesome. He's this guy who's just his. He's just living his life, doing his thing, but he's obsessed with anything from the 20s or before. And so his entire.

[Amanda]

Wait a second.

[Tommy Bo]

He's just a guy that sounds like this?

[Shane]

Yes. Oh, my God, he's awesome. And I recently got served. Like, he did, like, a tour of his apartment. And he literally starts off, he's just like, hey, it's Dr. Parkenstein again. And so this is first off, this is my car. And he has, like, just a Model T. He's like, this is what I drive all the time. And it's like, the coolest car you've ever seen. And he goes into his apartment, and it's just. You're in the 20s and everything. He's got, like, one of those old, like, players, like, before. Like, just a standard vinyl player. Like, this is, like, old.

[Tommy Bo]

This is, like, gramophone.

[Shane]

And it's playing some stuff just like, hello, my darling. And, like, whatever. And then, like, he's just showing off his place, and it's all old and he's. But he, like, also does crazy experiments where he makes, like. He's like, today I'm making a Tesla superconductor. And he's got, like, electricity going on.

[Amanda]

Sounds like Kermit the Frog.

[Shane]

He's like. He's truly, like, one of these days, it's like, this is either going to be the guy who kills Superman or he's going to be the guy who saves the world, right?

[Tommy Bo]

He's going to find a new, like, energy source.

[Shane]

He's truly just loving his.

[Tommy Bo]

Just a guy.

[Shane]

He Just loves doing his shit. He's obsessed with what he's obsessed with, and it's very cool and wholesome, and I just. I love. Every time he comes up on my feet, I'm like, what are you doing now? What cool old thing are you showing off? It's the best. No, he's. He's incredible.

[Amanda]

I love the people who don't try too hard. They just grab their phone, they go, this is what makes me happy. And I'm gonna show you. Do you think that they think about getting views or do they just.

[Shane]

I don't think this guy. This guy does not care about getting views. This guy does not care about this guy. Truly in my mind, no ego is. This is my hope. This is what I. This is what I hope. This is what I picture. He just has a team. This is. This guy in my head, no ego. He's just like, oh, this is. My purpose is to create, like, and to cherish things from this era and to reconstruct them and to try to build things. And he's done some crazy stuff over the years that's really cool. But he's just doing it for fun. I think he just likes to share it, right? I don't think he's trying to be a influencer. I think he's just sharing this with him.

[Tommy Bo]

But then you think about, he's posting on TikTok. He's edited his own videos on TikTok. So he's not.

[Amanda]

You're killing that.

[Tommy Bo]

I know.

[Shane]

It's one of those things where your idea of an influencer is always your idea of an influencer, not who they are. That's why it's so heartbreaking when something comes out. I've luckily not had any influencer that I love have, like, a bad thing come out about them. But I imagine it's got to be devastating if you're a huge fan and it's like, oh, yeah, they actually commit horrible crimes or they have, like, these horrible beliefs. Oh, my idea of you is wrong. Like, it's gotta suck. I understand why people stop watching because you're just like, well, you're like, well, yeah, my version is gone, so I can't do this anymore.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane]

Um, I was going to also say, though, because you mentioned, like, the workout guy, my feed, there's two that are incredible. There's a guy that is real, a real guy, and his name is EL Campion. And I don't know if. I don't think this has got to be only on my feed. So this is on the most insane parts of like weightlifting TikTok. And he's this guy, he's very. Not like, he's not out of shape but he's just like not buff necessarily. He's a guy, he's a guy, he's a normal looking guy, but he, he goes to the gym, he goes to different gyms. He wears full on like work boots but with like this like skin tight like workout clothing. The rest of it. He's always got three like belts on, like those weightlifting belts. He's always got like, he puts on three of them and he's, he's, he does it because he says it's motivational and he's like doing it for God, whatever. But he always goes up to any machine or any lift and he puts on the most weight you possibly can. So he'll go up to like one of those machine like chest presses where you put the plates on. He fills it up entirely with all the plates and then he'll like put bands around it and put more plates on it and he'll be like doing this for God. And he sits down and then like doesn't actually do the lift.

[Tommy Bo]

He can't do it.

[Shane]

He'll just like, dad, dad. Like, and then he'll be like, he'll like. And like no squat with all of them. Which mind you.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh yeah, no, the jokes, the comments.

[Shane]

Are always like, I see it's spine day again. Or like. And then he'll go up, he'll have like all these weights on the squat and then he'll just like sort of lift it. Like, just like.

[Tommy Bo]

Is he at least on those, the ones that like the, that has like.

[Shane]

A safety rail, it's free, it's a open rack. No, he could possibly die.

[Amanda]

What is wrong with this man?

[Shane]

Well, he's doing it for God. No, it's so.

[Amanda]

Oh, it's for God term.

[Shane]

The term that I'm sure the term is called ego lifting. When you're just like lifting weight that you can't actually do. But there's another guy that I've seen a couple of times, I don't know this guy's name, but he's like this old dude, he's always got a bandana and like old school like CD player in and it's for some reason it's always like leg raise. And he'll be about to get on this machine but he'll just get himself fucking amped. Like so amped he starts yelling and he'll just be like. And he's like hitting himself. He's just like, ah. And then he'll get on the leg race and he'll just like be doing it but like so fast and crazy and he's yelling while he's doing it. It's awesome. He'll be like.

[Amanda]

They watched Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary once. No. They're like, yeah, sounds good.

[Shane]

What the hell? Awesome. No, the weightlifting TikTok is weird. I've got. I'm finally getting away from weightlifting TikTok. It got really bad for a while and I was like, why is this all of my feed? And now that stuff happened and I'm like, all right, mine, I'm full.

[Amanda]

I. I kind of like that. I feel like my feed is all like, are you feeling tired? Are you feeling sick? You have high cortisol levels, babe. Like, here's the powder to get you down. It's all like, are you a middle aged woman with that belly? We're gonna get cortisol. I'm like, damn it. It's like, hey, guys, like, honestly ladies, we've got to bring our nerves down, our nervous system down. Put your head in ice water and we've got to do this awesome drink. Say awesome drink in my comments and I'll give you my awesome drink. And one time I was like, okay, awesome drink.

[Tommy Bo]

No way.

[Shane]

Well, that's why you're feeding.

[Amanda]

And it's just water, ginger, lemon. I'm like, please. That's like heavily. My feed is like wellness stuff, babe. Don't worry about it. Yeah, of course I'm watching the whole thing.

[Tommy Bo]

That's why it's on your feed.

[Amanda]

Well, I also probably have high cortisol levels, so I need. Here's the thing, they all tell me that I have high cortisol levels. I have still not figured out how to bring down my cortisol levels. So I'm like, oh, okay. Magnesium. That's kind of like my thing of like, babe, we've got you. Are you tired? Are you bubbling? I'm like, these are like old school commercials. But they're all over my feed. And then my other feed is like these old. I just showed Tommy before we got here is like this old rocker woman.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, she's the best.

[Amanda]

She's called a good witch.

[Shane]

I know.

[Amanda]

Have you seen her?

[Shane]

Oh, I saw her.

[Amanda]

She's like, okay, ladies, the best thing to do is to live. And she's got this like witch hat and she does these like, like Stevie Nicks wannabe, like witcher witchy dances and then pulls tarot and I was like, I mean, I love her so much. Do I want. Do I Do I want to get my cards pulled by her? I don't know, but it's like, gotta fuck everything in your path. But, like, she's just amazing. So I'm getting all these, like, very, like, woman, woman centric Instagrams. And then, like, you know, I also get, like, fave TikToks 420, which is like, all the cringiest TikToks compiled into one. I don't know who runs it. Actually, Ian showed it to me. I don't know who runs it, but it is all these young boys who have this, like, cute little haircut who come up to the camera very close, and it's all these voiceovers are like, did he hurt you? Let me save you. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And I'll be like, I'll save you. And it's them looking in the camera with, like, a tear. And it's like fuckboy music. But they're like, I'll save you. Get away from him. It's like Edward from Twilight, but, like, Gen Z boy haircuts. Do you know what I'm saying? And it's all on these.

[Tommy Bo]

It's pushed forward, and it's all like.

[Amanda]

It's pushed forward. It's almost like a mushroom top, but it's pushed forward. And they're all like, babe, let me save you. And it's just the cringiest TikToks in one. So that's my feed. And it's really, really fun.

[Shane]

That's funny.

[Amanda]

A good witch is incredible. She's incredible.

[Shane]

Now, if. If. If someone's over the age of 60 and they're on TikTok, they are successful. They're incredible. Like, nobody uses. Nobody uses TikTok quite as well as old people.

[Amanda]

I know. So why do we keep trying at it?

[Tommy Bo]

I don't know. Okay, well, that's why you look at my TikTok and I haven't posted in, like, six months, is because I'm, like, thinking about comedy and not just, like, staring at it from, like, three feet above it.

[Amanda]

Yeah, but your feed is so good, Tommy. Your feed is my favorite feed on this planet.

[Tommy Bo]

There's this woman named Brianna, or Brianna. Brianna. And on what she'll have on the screen a list of hi, my name is. It'll be like, hi, my name is Brianna. This is me picking up an apple, taking a bite of an apple, chewing the apple, swallowing the apple, then setting the apple back down. And that's what's written on the screen. And then she looks at the camera, like. And then she goes. And that's the TikTok. It's like. It's like every single one, she's listening out there.

[Shane]

How many views does that get there?

[Tommy Bo]

There. Some are. There are some that did pop off, but then there's some that are just her.

[Shane]

That's just awesome.

[Tommy Bo]

I just, like, where in her head.

[Amanda]

Did she think, like, I gotta write out the plan. I don't know, the full storyboard, and then do it.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't know, but it's.

[Amanda]

And then end it.

[Tommy Bo]

That's great.

[Amanda]

See, that's. That's the thing, is that they are, like. This is great. It's, like, iconic. Yes, they're iconic.

[Tommy Bo]

TikTok shows off the way people think in the ways that you don't think. I'm like, I would never think to write out what I'm doing on camera.

[Shane]

It's. It is so true that you just see some people, you're like, where did you. How did you come to this? And especially knowing, like, you're not even. This isn't your job. You're not an entertainer. You're a person.

[Amanda]

Those are the best, though.

[Shane]

You're a real person doing real things. But you decided in your time to do this.

[Amanda]

Mm.

[Shane]

It's so unbelievable.

[Amanda]

It's some of the funniest things for me to watch. Cause you can always tell when a TikTok is, like, trying really, really hard. And you're just like, maybe it's just too close to our industry. There are some people who crush it. There are some comedians who, like, absolutely.

[Tommy Bo]

Crush it, for sure. I think when you're trying too hard, it just, like, comes across as you're.

[Shane]

Trying too hard, I think. I think TikTok was at its best, frankly, in the middle of the pandemic, because people were just at home losing their minds, right? And so TikToks were just the most unhinged, the most unfiltered they ever were. Like, there was nothing showy. There was. Because it was impossible to do anything showy at the time, because everyone was inside their homes. And it was just. It was when I was most into TikTok. I was obsessed with it at the time. It's when I was most inspired to actually, like, use it. Cause I was like, this is so funny. But nowadays we're back to kind of like. There's a lot of just like, all right, it's back to, like, pretty people, right? Doing pretty things.

[Amanda]

You kind of reminded me that, like, with. With the us all being quarantined that. You know how, like, sourdough bread was, like, a big trend there. I'm also getting served all these sourdough girlies. That'll go. That'll go. Hey, I thought I was a sourdough girly. So I decided to record myself making sourdough. And here's the final. And it got to them looking horrible, like, grunting, like, making this sourdough. Being like. And they, like, have the camera set up and they're like, yeah, thought I was gonna become a sourdough girly and make you look cute. Awesome bread making videos. But I look.

[Tommy Bo]

I'm tired.

[Shane]

That makes me think of. Cause I've seen people talk a lot about that one tiktoker that. I think she's Mormon. The girl who's, like, always making, like, a dessert for her husband. Whatever.

[Amanda]

Wait, the cake?

[Shane]

Whatever, the cakes.

[Amanda]

The, like.

[Shane]

Like, she'll make just cakes.

[Amanda]

She'll dress up as, like, sleeping Beauty and make the Sleeping Beauty cake.

[Tommy Bo]

Both of these.

[Shane]

I'm like, what a different person. No, this one's very, like. Like trad wife. Like, traditional wife.

[Tommy Bo]

Her.

[Shane]

Yeah. Where she's like. She's like, my husband wanted this, so I'm making Rice Krispies from, like, fucking scratch. Where it's like, you're even making the. Like.

[Amanda]

I think we're talking about the same.

[Shane]

And it's just like she has, like, short hair.

[Amanda]

Oh, no.

[Shane]

Whatever. But she'll just. It's just like, all very delicate and like, whatever. And she's got a full face of makeup and stuff. But I'm like, look, I've made bread a couple times. It's impossible to look good while you're doing it. Oh, you are. You are sweating. You feel like shit. It's got to them being like.

[Amanda]

Like, that's. That's these videos. And so I guess I'm being served something similar. But it's a woman who dresses like a Disney princess and she's like, I can't wait for my husband to come home and find me baking. And she made the sleeping Beauty cake. You know, the cake that's, like, dripping over with a broom through it, and there's all these, like, little candles and she's all done up. And she's like, I can't wait for him to like it. And it's the whole video of her making it. Full makeup, full dress. Like, there's a part of the Internet that's, like, also kind of going a little bit backwards.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh. Oh, for sure.

[Shane]

The trad wife thing is crazy.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Shane]

No, there's. There's parts of the Internet that are fully going back to. Not like they think they're going back to the 50s. They're going to some bastardized crazy version, some bizarro land. Yeah. No, it's very real. I don't know how it happened, but it's. It's.

[Amanda]

I don't like it at all.

[Shane]

No.

[Tommy Bo]

So all those.

[Amanda]

I go, not interested.

[Shane]

I've seen people talk about how, like. Like the. Their idea of a trad wife isn't even like. Really? Because it's like, what are you doing? Like, this is. This is. This is strange.

[Amanda]

Yeah. Do you think he comes home and he's like, yay. Are you feeling ok?

[Shane]

Are you gonna murder me?

[Tommy Bo]

He comes home in a full suit with a briefcase and he's like, where's the whiskey?

[Shane]

So insane.

[Amanda]

Holy shit.

[Tommy Bo]

I would love to, if possible, just go through my recommendations of crazy character people.

[Shane]

I'd love that.

[Amanda]

Yes, please.

[Tommy Bo]

Okay. First, and this is for you at home and you listening. Good morning. I'm assuming. Nice. So there is. Do you remember. I think I showed you. I don't know if I've shown you. Icy Spicy Leoncy. She has a song called Gay World.

[Amanda]

Yes, I've seen it.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes. She is a oddly shaped woman from Iceland and she sings songs on her YouTube and they're all kind of bad. Yeah, perfect.

[Amanda]

So good.

[Shane]

Perfect.

[Tommy Bo]

Everywhere you look, you see a gay boy. Gay girl. Anyway.

[Shane]

Hey, girl.

[Amanda]

So good.

[Shane]

So she actually created gay pop.

[Tommy Bo]

She. Yes, she did.

[Amanda]

Right? Not Jojo Siwa.

[Shane]

Not Jojo Siwa.

[Tommy Bo]

Okay, good. Dude, she's incredible. Along with Lisa Gale. Lisa Gale, you can find on YouTube. Lisa Gayle is a. I'm pretty sure a teacher. I'm gonna guess she has blonde hair. You've seen her. Lisa Gayle, she has a song called Three Second Rule, which is about how her husband can look at another woman for three seconds, but no longer.

[Shane]

That's a long amount of time for, like. My husband can look at, like. Well, three whole seconds.

[Amanda]

Well, see the music video. Watch the music video. Cause it's definitely filmed in the school that she works at.

[Tommy Bo]

Yep. And she hired a bunch of guys to do harmonies, and it's really bad. And then my other two recommendations. You've probably seen her on TikTok. Her name is Harmony. I think she has really intense, like, blocky makeup, and she's the one who goes. Who likes Krispy Kreme doughnuts or. No, she says crispy cream. I don't know, she's like, who? Like creepy cream donuts. And then she, like, takes a bite. Anyway, I'll show she's awesome if you can find her on TikTok. Very entertaining. I think something's wrong, but she's awesome. She's the best. And then my, like, big, big recommendation is such a fascinating person. He goes by Tonetta. I don't know what his, like, actual name is. There's a YouTube documentary of him where someone did something which was the inspiration of the thing earlier. He's like. He, like, made a sculpture out of his own shit. Like, he's kind of a lunatic. But he made. He. He made this song. Multiple songs that are. Some are on YouTube, some are documented. He also has an album on SoundCloud. That's really good. He makes really good. But it's like one of his songs is like, I'm gonna tickle your ass with my tongue. It's like really, like. And it's all like, Lou Lee Lou kind of music, but it's all like, raunchy and very odd. And he. Oh, my God. In this music video, I'll call it, he's like, got just like a bikini bottom on and he's painted himself completely white and he has, like a doll mask on.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Tommy Bo]

And he's like, dancing. It's like the most gut wrenching, shocking imagery to this really delightful song. It's very true artist. But it's also like, only someone unhinged can arrive at that conclusion.

[Amanda]

Correct.

[Tommy Bo]

So it's. Anyway, I highly recommend those people that's.

[Amanda]

Like, back in the day artists.

[Shane]

I didn't check that out.

[Amanda]

Do you know what I mean? That are still, like, doing their art.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes.

[Shane]

That's awesome.

[Tommy Bo]

And I think that all ties back in with, like, people doing themselves, regardless of what anyone else has to say.

[Amanda]

Iconic.

[Tommy Bo]

Make someone a weird icon.

[Shane]

It sounds strange to say because of where we are at, but I do think the greatest creators always are. Like, they're more niche, they're smaller. You know, it's the ones with under like 50,000, like, followers or something. They're always gonna be actually the ones who are making the craziest.

[Amanda]

They just don't apologize.

[Shane]

Yeah. But they're so committed to their very specific thing that they're. It's hard to get a big audience. Such a specific thing. But they're perfect.

[Amanda]

The tragedy of art.

[Shane]

They're the truest artists out there.

[Amanda]

You have to have a soul.

[Shane]

And we're back to tell your soul.

[Amanda]

Gotta be an artist. You gotta be an Artist, get over here. Anyways. Anyways, Shane, you want to take us out?

[Shane]

Yeah, sure.

[Amanda]

Dinner.

[Shane]

Last thing I was gonna say, speaking of just gay pop, because I think this will fit. I'm still listening to music and I listen. I. Guys. I listened to an album all the way through recently.

[Tommy Bo]

Whoa.

[Shane]

What? And I think it was my favorite album that I've listened to. Whoa. This year so far.

[Tommy Bo]

What was it?

[Shane]

By the time this comes out, probably still will be hello. It was Chapel Roan's album.

[Tommy Bo]

Nice.

[Shane]

That shit was so.

[Amanda]

I have not heard it.

[Shane]

It was sick as hell, dude.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane]

Really good. I think it just fit a lot of vibes because I love like 80s music.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes.

[Shane]

So like, it was just kind of like when I heard someone describe like, oh yeah, she got this like 80s synth thing going on. I was like, well, I'll check it out. And then I was like, this is really dope. So it's there. They're really good songs.

[Amanda]

Chapel rounds okay.

[Tommy Bo]

Yep.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Down and down.

[Shane]

But that one.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

That one. That one rocked.

[Tommy Bo]

That's awesome. What's.

[Amanda]

Good job?

[Shane]

I don't know. So I have a couple. For the longest time it was kind of like, oh, should I finally listen to Taylor Swift's album? I don't know. I'm getting a lot of suggestions. I. I was thinking for a while of maybe listening to Kendrick Lamar's music again. But I have listened to Kendrick Lamar's music a lot, so I don't know. I. It's kind of anything. I'm just kind of picking random albums here and there, so I'll find something.

[Amanda]

I can't wait to hear what you find. Yeah, I'm going to listen to Chapelroone.

[Tommy Bo]

There you go. Oh, you have it ready to go on your Spotify.

[Amanda]

Ready to go on my Spotify? Cause if I don't, I'll forget.

[Shane]

Tommy, thank you so much for being here.

[Tommy Bo]

Thanks for having me. I love talking about my Abby Lee Miller. My people that I love.

[Amanda]

I love it. And I think we tied a lot of it back to Abby Lee Miller.

[Tommy Bo]

As we did Icon. Yep.

[Amanda]

As she would have wanted us to.

[Tommy Bo]

My favorite place to visit the human zoo.

[Amanda]

Is Harambe there. Okay.

[Shane]

Nice. Bye, guys.

[Tommy Bo]

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