#56 - Shayne's Gone, Let's Party

Summary

Podcast Summary: Smosh Mouth Episode #56 - "Shayne's Gone, Let's Party"

Release Date: July 29, 2024

In this engaging episode of Smosh Mouth, hosts Angela Lehan-Canto (tall) and Shayne Topp (short) delve into their personal vacation experiences, preferences, and their shared obsession with true crime. With a blend of humor and heartfelt anecdotes, Angela and Shayne navigate the complexities of traveling solo versus with family and friends, while also exploring the depths of their true crime interests.

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1. Taking a Personal Vacation

The episode kicks off with Angela announcing her decision to take a solo vacation to the beach after Shayne departs on his trip:
Angela [00:25]: "So Shayne's on vacation. So I decided to take a little vacation for myself. I'm going to the beach after I got off my cruise, and I'm bringing my best friend Angela Gerozani's."

Shayne humorously responds, highlighting the freedom that comes when traveling without him:
Shayne [00:54]: "Oh, my God. The boys are away. So the girls can play."

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2. Vacation Preferences and Styles

Angela and Shayne discuss their differing vacation styles, emphasizing their desire for relaxation versus structured activities:
Shayne [02:07]: "I'm pretty wild on vacations. I hate to say it."
Angela [02:09]: "I like a couple, like, a few things planned. A few things planned that, like, I want to see, like, ooh, cool restaurant. Yeah. Fun little... A place that is famous, kind of."

Shayne contrasts his love for spontaneous adventures with Angela's preference for mild planning:
Shayne [02:35]: "You like to sightsee?"
Angela [02:36]: "No, like a couple times. I don't really like super touristy things, though."

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3. Family Dynamics on Vacations

The conversation shifts to childhood vacation memories, revealing strained relationships and differing family experiences:
Shayne [06:17]: "Being on vacation with my family, it was just me and my brother, like, absolutely can't even look at each other in the eye."

Angela empathizes, sharing her own experiences with siblings during trips:
Angela [07:14]: "I felt lucky 'cause I had three sisters, but we were always tapered off."

They reminisce about less-than-ideal family vacations, such as long trips to bad resorts and obligatory activities like booze cruises:
Shayne [09:03]: "Why?"
Angela [09:04]: "Cause when you turn 16, let me tell you..."

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4. Adult Vacations vs. Childhood

Angela and Shayne explore how adult vacations differ from their childhood experiences, focusing on personal relaxation and meaningful activities:
Angela [11:58]: "I love to read."
Shayne [12:26]: "It's like rest with a bow on it."

They emphasize the importance of solo trips or traveling with like-minded friends to truly unwind:
Shayne [15:00]: "You gotta take trips by yourself."

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5. Shared Obsession with True Crime

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Angela and Shayne's fascination with true crime, discussing their favorite shows, podcasts, and why they find them compelling:
Angela [17:39]: "We’re true crime girlies."
Shayne [17:40]: "I think it's like, why I love watching creativity..."

They delve into specific cases like Ted Bundy and Steven Avery, analyzing psychological aspects and the portrayal of criminals in media:
Shayne [24:13]: "He grew up. His mom had him at a really young age."
Angela [25:08]: "I think it always starts with the mother."

Notable Quote:
Angela [21:15]: "That is true crime."

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6. Balancing Vacation Fun with Personal Interests

The hosts discuss how they incorporate their love for true crime into their vacations, balancing relaxation with their interests:
Shayne [27:15]: "We show a lot of things about the person."
Angela [28:07]: "We’ve watched a bunch..."

They highlight the importance of respecting the gravity of true crime while still finding it intellectually stimulating:
Shayne [26:36]: "When you watch Forensic Files..."
Angela [26:39]: "That is correct."

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7. Navigating Family Expectations and Personal Space

Angela and Shayne touch upon the challenges of meeting family expectations while trying to maintain personal space and relaxation during trips:
Angela [31:00]: "So you really see all parts of you when you're traveling."
Shayne [31:19]: "Are you a TV before bed?"

They humorously recount their experiences with family dynamics, such as dealing with controlling parents and managing sibling interactions:
Shayne [51:19]: "My brother will wait till I'm laughing so the sock can land in my mouth."
Angela [51:53]: "And they're eating, like, fries with ketchup..."

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8. Concluding Thoughts on Solo and Group Travel

In wrapping up, Angela and Shayne offer insights on the importance of choosing travel companions who respect personal space and share similar vacation goals:
Angela [47:50]: "They are comfortable with silence and comfortable with, like, going with the flow."
Shayne [47:52]: "Yes."

They encourage listeners to prioritize their own vacation needs, whether traveling solo or with compatible friends:
Angela [61:32]: "Or heck on vacation."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Angela [00:25]: "I'm going to the beach after I got off my cruise, and I'm bringing my best friend Angela Gerozani's."
• Shayne [02:07]: "I'm pretty wild on vacations. I hate to say it."
• Angela [17:39]: "We’re true crime girlies."
• Shayne [24:13]: "He was so charming. So at some point, he... very smart."
• Angela [21:15]: "That is true crime."
• Angela [31:00]: "So you really see all parts of you when you're traveling."

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Conclusion

Episode #56 of Smosh Mouth offers a candid and humorous exploration of Angela and Shayne's vacation experiences, their preferences for solitude versus family travel, and their deep-seated interest in true crime. By sharing personal stories and dissecting their favorite true crime cases, the hosts provide listeners with relatable insights and laughter, making this episode both entertaining and thought-provoking.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content segments to focus solely on the substantive discussions between Angela and Shayne.

Transcript

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[Angela]

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[Shane]

And what a vacation it is, gals.

[Angela]

Cheers, honey.

[Shane]

Cheers. Oh, my God. The boys are away. So the girls can play. Oh.

[Angela]

And play in the sand. We're gonna dip our toes in the sand. We're gonna swim naked under the moonlight. We're gonna call all the witches and we're gonna. We're gon speak to Satan.

[Shane]

Yes. Smoshmouth at the beach.

[Angela]

Okay. Hi, guys. Welcome to Smoshmouth. Shane is on vacation, and so we decided to have a little fun.

[Shane]

You deserve to have fun.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Yeah. You need a break too, man.

[Angela]

I'm under his thumb. Am I right, girl?

[Shane]

What do you mean by that?

[Angela]

We'll unpack that later. So I'm drinking a gin martini with a little bit of dry vermouth and no lemon peel because the bartender said we're out.

[Shane]

Okay. And we love these people at the Hyatt. They're great. I'm drinking what we call a gamer martini, and it's got a Nerf in it.

[Angela]

So it's just a martini with a Nerf in it.

[Shane]

It's water with a Nerf. Oh.

[Angela]

And I love it. That's gorgeous.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Angela]

So I decided the only person that I would want to go on vacation with is Angela.

[Shane]

That's really kind. I mean, you and I have shared a hotel room at Vidcon.

[Angela]

Oh, yeah, we have.

[Shane]

We haven't gone on a proper vacay. No, that would. Are you. I'm pretty wild on vacations. I hate to say it.

[Angela]

What do you like on vacations?

[Shane]

I'm like. I'm like, no responsibilities, no timeline. Do you like? Because there are some people that like an itinerary on Vacation?

[Angela]

No, I don't like an itinerary. I like a couple, like, a few things planned. A few things planned that, like, I want to see, like, ooh, cool restaurant. Yeah. Fun little. A place that is famous, kind of.

[Shane]

Oh, you like to sightsee?

[Angela]

No, Like, a couple times. I don't really like super touristy things, though.

[Shane]

Really?

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

You're one of those people that likes to see what the place is.

[Angela]

I want to see the city, at least in my vicinity. I want to see the little town. But I'd prefer to stay close and just explore what's around me rather than you'll never see me on a tour bus.

[Shane]

See, I rip a tour bus up.

[Angela]

What?

[Shane]

They're so fun. And there's always a tour guide that's just giving. And they're like, to your left. Constantinople. And then you're like, wow, I didn't know. I know.

[Angela]

My big fat Greek wedding right now. Wait a second. But they're so long and so hot.

[Shane]

I was gonna say. Yeah. My brother is like you. He likes to do, like, the norm. Like, he likes to go to a coffee shop in the town.

[Angela]

That's what I love.

[Shane]

Yeah, I like the big stuff. I like the big, like, touristy stuff. It's fun.

[Angela]

Really?

[Shane]

It's fun to go to, like, a wax museum.

[Angela]

Oh, I would avoid that at all costs.

[Shane]

Or Ripley's Believe it or Not.

[Angela]

Oh, do they have that in Constantinople? Okay, so Angela's more of the touristy person, so we're gonna have to work this out. You know what? You can't always travel with people.

[Shane]

Hey, but there's a body of water and we're hanging out by.

[Angela]

That's right. So I will say my favorite thing to do. I could be by water all day. I could be on the beach all day long.

[Shane]

Question. Pool or beach?

[Angela]

Beach.

[Shane]

Can you be by the pool all day?

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

Yeah, same.

[Angela]

Can I be by the beach all day? Yes. Yeah, but when the sun goes down, you gotta go.

[Shane]

You gotta go. You have to get out of there.

[Angela]

You watch the sunset, and you immediately pack up the moment it dips into the ocean.

[Shane]

Oh, my gosh. Being by a beach all day or a pool all day. Then it's like 5:00, and it's like, oh, wow. And then you go take a good shower.

[Angela]

A good shower. And you're a little bit sunburnt. You're like, yes. Didn't apply. Didn't turn.

[Shane]

It feels like you're cleaning out your air fryer.

[Angela]

Yes, exactly. Oh.

[Shane]

And you're just like, washing it down. And then you go to dinner and you look a little, like.

[Angela]

You look a little red. You look a little. You're in your cute little sundress, but you look a little. Little lobster.

[Shane]

You look a little red. You're in, like, a little sundress with, like, disgusting flip flops.

[Angela]

Yeah. Are flip flops okay to wear?

[Shane]

Most people love them. I despise them.

[Angela]

Tell me about that.

[Shane]

Yeah, I just think they're disgusting, and I. That might just be because.

[Angela]

Tell me. Let's dig into that.

[Shane]

Yeah. No, I don't know what it is. I think. I think a long time ago, I said on the channel that I think when men wear flip flops with jeans.

[Angela]

Oh, horrendous.

[Shane]

Yes, horrendous. And then Luke was like, whoops. And I was like, I'm sorry. It's just my pet peeve. And I think that has spilled over to now. Me not liking, like, I like sandals.

[Angela]

No, sandals are great. But flip flops with the jeans, that kind of bunch up at the end and go a little bit over. So you just see the little dogs out. Yeah, those are.

[Shane]

And I'm on vacation. I don't want to see those dogs.

[Angela]

What year is that from? That feels like.

[Shane]

Yeah, it feels like.

[Angela]

Feels good to have the sunglasses right on the tip of my nose.

[Shane]

It feels like Lauren Conrad, the Hill LC 2004.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

It's vacation. And we're talking.

[Angela]

Elsie. That's the whole episode. No, the whole episode is we're gonna talk about, you know, our guilty pleasures, things that we love. Vacation, and other things that we love that we do on vacation.

[Shane]

Cause I will say being. Being an adult on vacation is different. Cause you grow up going on a vacation as kids if you have the pleasure.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

And that's a whole other ball game.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

Being on vacation with my family, it was just me and my brother, like, absolutely can't even look at each other in the eye. And it's like, I'm stuck with you in this hotel room. Yeah. And my parents. Yeah. And then we're, like, in the pool, and we're, like, ignoring each other, just swimming on our own. What were you.

[Angela]

That makes me so sad.

[Shane]

Yeah. My brother and I, like, we're besties now. But, like, growing up, I think, like, we're two and a half years or three and a half years apart, and for some reason, it was just not enough. Like, it wasn't further enough apart, and it wasn't close enough together. Does that make sense in age range?

[Angela]

That makes sense.

[Shane]

So it was always just like, I was like almost a teen and he was in his preteen era and we were just like. Like, just not getting along ever.

[Angela]

That. Honestly, that kind of makes sense. I felt lucky cause I had three sisters, but we were always tapered off. It was always like two and two. So either one year I was closer to my little sister, or one year I was close to my middle. And then the oldest one was just more like free and doing whatever she wanted.

[Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Angela]

So that was my vacation with sister.

[Shane]

Vacationing as kids is crazy. I remember there was like. It was. It would be like. It was always just some weird, bad resort. That was it. We never went to, like Turks and Caicos. It was always like an hour out. We're going to get in the car and we're going to go to this resort. And my mom loves all the bars there. They have great bars.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

At this one resort, there's a poolside bar in the bar by the hotel.

[Angela]

Swim up Pool bar.

[Shane]

No, I never been to one of those. But I remember it was like, it.

[Angela]

Sounds fancy, but it's actually not.

[Shane]

I've never been. So it was always just a bunch of Hyatt's. And every once in a while there'd be like a slide at this Hyatt. Cool, right? And then we would go. And then it would be like, okay, tonight the hotel kids club is projecting Finding Nemo onto a screen in front of the pool. And I remember being like, I could be in the pool and watch a movie at the same time.

[Angela]

Wait, how. How long were you in the kids club? Like, did your mom drop you off at the kids club immediately?

[Shane]

I was at the kids club for a while.

[Angela]

Okay, so your mom was also on vacation.

[Shane]

Because that's what it is. Vacation is them bringing their kids and then finding a way to talk their kids into just like, going away.

[Angela]

Going away. That's what we did. We would just. I would swim in the pool until my whole body was wrinkled.

[Shane]

And then. Your mom. Where is she? Oh, where's your mom?

[Angela]

She's having. She's reading.

[Shane]

Where is she?

[Angela]

She's ripping through romance novels or crime novels. Ripping through them. Doesn't even look up to notice if you're alive or not. And then she's having a cocktail and then she's having dinner, and then that's it.

[Shane]

And my dad's always like, whatever your mother wants. Whatever your mother wants. We're going to brunch. Whatever your mother wants.

[Angela]

I guess that was kind of my dad, but My mom was also a diver, so she would be up at like 6 in the morning scuba diving. And so it was always like with our dad and that. Then all hell broke loose.

[Shane]

Why?

[Angela]

My dad was like, you can get whatever you want. And with my mom, she was like, you get one treat a day. It's either a soda or ice cream. Choose. I always chose Shirley.

[Shane]

And you have beads in front of your face.

[Angela]

And I had beads. And this makes me sound fucked up.

[Shane]

No, you didn't.

[Angela]

And. And it also makes me sound rich, but I swear to God. My mom would bid on vacations.

[Shane]

She would, like.

[Angela]

That's.

[Shane]

Yeah, that's.

[Angela]

She would, like, get crazy deals. She would also open a bunch of credit cards and, like, get all these miles. Oh.

[Shane]

There was a period of time where my mom still, to this day, every time we go on a trip as a family with our cousins or just us, there's always a booze cruise one day, which is a weird ass, disgusting boat.

[Angela]

How do children get on that?

[Shane]

A disgusting boat. Okay. That hasn't been cleaned in years.

[Angela]

Yeah, of course not.

[Shane]

And we got a Groupon or something. You go there before the sunset. And the whole idea is that you're on a boat during the sunset, right? And it's always awful.

[Angela]

Do they have quote, unquote, dinner?

[Shane]

No, no, never that. It's always just drinks out of a cooler. Then the sun goes down, boat pulls right back up, and then you leave. It was like a quick, like, It's a quick, like hour and a half to see the sun. And then there's this disgusting cooler. And they're like, what do you want at Shirley Temple?

[Angela]

They're like, get the kid a fucking soda.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

Oh, wow. Booze cruises.

[Shane]

Yeah. And then I remember we did one in Hawaii, and I got so nauseous. Cause this boat just.

[Angela]

You get seasick.

[Shane]

I think it was. I don't. I think I get. I get nauseous easily. So if the boat is moving, I gotta take a Dramamine or something.

[Angela]

Whoa.

[Shane]

Yeah, but that thing was. I was hurling on the side of this boat.

[Angela]

Oh, poor baby.

[Shane]

I was 16. You don't wanna be on vacation with your family.

[Angela]

No. Cause when you turn 16, let me tell you, it's the type where you put in your headphones that are connected to your fucking iPad nano or whatever the hell it's called.

[Shane]

Ellie Clark.

[Angela]

And you walk down the beach in your bathing suit and you're like, I'm in a music video. I'm the hottest thing to ever walk down the beach and Then you're wearing.

[Shane]

Like dresses to dinner with Converse.

[Angela]

Yeah, you're wearing dresses and you have little beads in your hair and you're walking down the beach and you're like, I'm literally the hottest thing. And I just picture the old guy just sitting there going like, that girl thinks she's in a music video. You're just staring out in the ocean, but then you, like, kind of look back at the people and then you look back at the ocean. I would go, mom, I'm going for a walk. She was like, okay. And I play like the hottest songs. And I was like, I'm in a musical.

[Shane]

I would always go to the gift shop downstairs. I'm like, I'm going to the store downstairs.

[Angela]

I'm an adult now. And I'm gonna buy weird little tchotchkes and shot glasses that I'll never use that say Mexico on them. Wow.

[Shane]

So we've traveled, but as an adult, you vacate different. Do you read?

[Angela]

I love to read.

[Shane]

Like by the pool.

[Angela]

Just on vacation or by the beach? Both. So I will say vacationing now as an adult is like. So I'm like, wow, I had it so good back in the day. Like, oh, really? For me, I need to be by a body of water swimming. There needs to be possibly some type of fun, like wine tasting or cool bar. Like, one thing booked, One thing booked, one thing.

[Shane]

It's like rest with a bow on it.

[Angela]

Exact. Perfect.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

It's like, I don't. I don't. My mom always wants to kayak, not rest.

[Angela]

Kayaking is fun, but in theory, you're fucking two hours out there in the ocean, your arms are want to fall off and you don't see a single dolphin fin. Not fun.

[Shane]

Not fun.

[Angela]

No. Okay, yeah. And what else?

[Shane]

But I'm reading, so. Yeah, as an adult, I like to read by the. Read by a body of water.

[Angela]

Ditto.

[Shane]

Sleep in. I like a brunch. Call me crazy.

[Angela]

Oh, not me.

[Shane]

I like a hotel brunch. No.

[Angela]

Oh, well, I like a coffee.

[Shane]

Oh, but you're just going straight to the body water.

[Angela]

No, no, that's not true. Not true at all. I like a coffee. You like a coffee and a little. You know what? I do a little Euro trip. Don't watch that movie. I do a little coffee and like a little croissant. A little something. Something gorgeous.

[Shane]

A little cookie for breakfast.

[Angela]

Yeah. A little cookie or like a little. Yeah, and then I go straight to the body of water. I set up, I get my seat, I save My seat.

[Shane]

Oh, you're one of those.

[Angela]

Oh, I'm. I'm horrible. I put my. I put my towel and my sunscreen. I'm like, do not take this seat. This is mine.

[Shane]

Oh, she's one of those.

[Angela]

That's because when you come from the east coast and you go to the beach, you know how the east coast only has three months of fun ever?

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

People set up camp at the beach, like, hours before it does.

[Shane]

Feel like. Sometimes I'll go to the beach and I'll see a woman who looks like she's been there for 15 years.

[Angela]

That's my mother.

[Shane]

And it's like a. It's like a. Like a motherboard.

[Angela]

Yeah. That's my mom and older sister. They'll set up. So I'm going home. And they'll go, all right, Manny, you got to get up at 6:00am and drop 10 chairs at the beach. And I go, 10 chairs? They go. Yeah. You put the 10 chairs in a circle, and you do two umbrellas. Make sure you're right by the water, but not too much for when the high tide comes in and washes you away. And then you go there and people are pissed. They're like, that was my campsite.

[Shane]

Yeah, you're right. It gets crazy early in the morning.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

So anyways, books.

[Shane]

Books. Yeah. So you're reading. I was on vacation. I went on a vacation. What I like to do now is my family when we go visit family. That's not a vacation.

[Angela]

No, that's not a vacation.

[Shane]

And that's for the listeners at home. When you become an adult and you think, oh, I. I'll still vacation. I'll. I'll. I don't have a lot of money. I'm in my early 20s. I'll use my vacation time with my parents will pay for it, and we'll all go together.

[Angela]

Uhhuh.

[Shane]

That's not a vacation. It's not a vacation because now you're an adult. Right. And you don't live with your parents if this is the case. Right. If you're not with your parents all the time, when you go home, it's different. You're putting in the work.

[Angela]

You are there for their sanity and their comedy.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

You are there to help them, save them, and do whatever they ask of you.

[Shane]

Truly, when you become an adult, if you live with your parents or not, you gotta take trips by yourself. Or just, like, even if it's a drive. Yeah. Solo trip. You gotta. Or just like. Because now I'll go with my family. We'll like go visit our family in Florida. And that's like by a beach. So it looks like a vacation, but it's not. But don't let her fool ya. Okay. You could sit by a body of water, but don't let it fool ya. Mom's gonna come out and go, angela, it's time to make the charcuterie bar for your cousins. And I'm like, oh. Or you think you could wake up early?

[Angela]

No.

[Shane]

Mom's got the news blasting at a volume I've never heard before.

[Angela]

And they always come in the room and go, the sun's out. Just a heads up, breakfast is up. I think we're going to want to cook breakfast for the rest of the cousins. And I'm like, I'm asleep. It's 6am, I'm on vacation.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Angela]

Why do they get so stressed out?

[Shane]

Oh, and at about 3pm some other type of monster comes out of my mom and she goes, snacks. I'm going to put out a bowl of snacks. Yeah.

[Angela]

It's like they're constantly catering an event for the whole trip.

[Shane]

Yeah, truly. And it's like, we can sit. We can really sit. Oh, she'll bring out a plate of cookies right before dinner. And I'm like, woman, you have to relax. You have to relax. So now I go on trips. I've decided every year around my birthday, I like to go out of town.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

And that's for me.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

The summer is for the mother. And then for my birthday I like to go out.

[Angela]

Yes. That is so smart. For my birthday I also like to go out. And also what's great is we live in California and we can take trips that are close.

[Shane]

We're really, really blessed.

[Angela]

We're really, really blessed.

[Shane]

Yeah, it's really nice. So this year I went for my birthday with my friends, we went to Hawaii and it was really nice. But I brought quite a lot of.

[Angela]

Books and, and the book.

[Shane]

So I brought like, I brought like.

[Angela]

What's your genre of book? On the beach.

[Shane]

Yeah. So I like, I go through phases. There was a phase in my life where I was like working a really bad day job and I was going through those romance novels like a crazy person.

[Angela]

The romance novels are the best thing to read on the beach.

[Shane]

Yeah. But then what worked for me, I brought a romance novel. I brought like a self help, like confidence book or whatever the book.

[Angela]

Did you open it once?

[Shane]

No.

[Angela]

Of course.

[Shane]

And then I bought, I brought a book about Ted Bundy that I ripped through on the trip.

[Angela]

So here's if you listeners don't know this already. Angela and I connect on a deep soul level, but we also connect on our kind of obsession with true crime.

[Shane]

We're true crime girlies.

[Angela]

We're true crime girlies. And what I read on the beach, I'm reading something called Postmortem Sounds Wrong. And it is. It's one of 20, and it's this Coroner's Journey.

[Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Angela]

The thing is, it doesn't go into detail. It doesn't go into detail. Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. It's PG rated. It's PG 13. Okay. I don't want to hear about the. I don't want to hear about cutting in at people. But it's.

[Shane]

But it's their journey.

[Angela]

She's a detective, but not. Right. She's a detective. What does that mean? All she has is the body. Okay. Yeah. So. So I read this on the beach or I read, you know, some fucking romance bullshit or like, witch stuff.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

I love Alice Hoffman who wrote Practical Magic. Yes. But you and I connect so much on this. And when did we figure this out? That we both love true crime. Yeah.

[Shane]

I think. I think it was earlier on because it's like when we are hanging out, not on camera, we're talking. We're talking, like, our podcasts. Like, I don't like listening to comedy podcasts. I don't like listening. I don't like reading, like, funny books. Like, I don't. I like for some reason. And that's the whole thing. Like, there's a. That's a huge community of like, there's so many true crime podcasts of just like, women talking about disgusting. It's true. Also, I don't know what it is.

[Angela]

I kind of want to touch on that for a second. So as we're both comedians, I always felt really guilty that I didn't listen to a lot of comedy or watch a lot of comedy. Yeah, I know why I don't as much.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

Why do you.

[Shane]

You go first.

[Angela]

It can sometimes stress me out.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

Because it almost feels like you're working.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

Unless it's a comedy that actually surprises me and I find that that's really, like British comedy. Then I'm enjoying it. But I struggle to put on comedy or listen to comedy, but I don't struggle at all to watch. Horrible. Horrible. Like, what is crime documentaries.

[Shane]

Yeah. What the heck is it? I like, I've. But here's the thing. So I. I know this for you too. Like, I watch, like, there Are so many comedies, shows, movies, everything where it's like, that's groundbreaking. That taught me. That's, like, inspiration to me. I'm, like, pulling from that. That's. You know what I mean? Like, really, Like, I watch comedies, right?

[Angela]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Shane]

And, like, you watch, like, the old sketches and you're like, wow. And you love it. I enjoy it. But when I'm turning off, that's what it is.

[Angela]

It's. When I'm turning off, it's kind of like, honestly.

[Shane]

Here we go. Here's a little gamer stuff.

[Angela]

Oh, fun.

[Shane]

Learning about the games from, like, Shane and Spencer there. It feels like. There are some games that are super intense.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

And then there are other games. Like, I just heard my. My roommate plays this game where she's just a cat, like, on. In the Alleyways. What's it called? Stray. And she's, like, called Stray. And you're just a stray cat, right? And it's like. And it relaxes her. So that's what I think it is. There's like, a difference between, like, really high concept stuff where, like, when I'm watching comedy, I can't blink because I'm like, oh, my God, I love this so much. And I'm like, I just.

[Angela]

Working.

[Shane]

Yeah. It's like, if I watch Veep, for example, I'm like, I love vape. I'm obsessed with it. But, like, when I get home, I wanna, like, for some reason, I don't wanna blink and I wanna stare at a biopsy. I don't know why.

[Angela]

I wanna stare at fingerprints. I wanna stare at crime scene tape.

[Shane]

We're like cults. Why do I love it?

[Angela]

Okay, I do, too.

[Shane]

You don't get it.

[Angela]

I don't get it either, I think, because when I watch comedy, it almost feels like I have to gear myself up to be, like, prepared. I'm like, all right, here we go. I'm gonna go down something that I love so much.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

It's like, true crime is so fucked up.

[Shane]

I don't understand.

[Angela]

You know what I think it is, actually? Okay. I think it's that you and I, why we love comedy so much is because we love people and we love how people tick, and we love how people operate.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Angela]

And we love why they do things.

[Shane]

Okay?

[Angela]

That is true crime.

[Shane]

Okay. I'm literally kind of getting emotional. This is why I also like reality tv, because I like. Yes, Real. That's. You're right. It's truth. It's real stuff, right? And it's like, like, why I love Watching, like, cult stuff. Like the Vow. Did you watch the Vow or the Nixium stuff? I was so addicted to that trial, too. When he went on trial.

[Angela]

Oh, my God, that was so intense.

[Shane]

The Nixxiv trials.

[Angela]

He's just in jail.

[Shane]

Yeah, he is. And you know, there are people still dancing outside of.

[Angela]

I know. Well, his. One of his, like, girlfriends is still dancing out. It's called. It's called the Vow. It's about the Nixon cult.

[Shane]

Yes. And what is his name? Anyway, we're just going to butcher all.

[Angela]

This stuff, but it's fine.

[Shane]

But I don't know what it is. It's just like. It's like, wow. Real life, like, you and I, we always talk about. We love watching these detectives in these interviews, being like, yeah, so I Woke up at 5 and I feel like that inspires everything.

[Angela]

It kind of inspires me because I'm like, these detectives, which I want to talk about. Remember when we both fell in love with the show Homicide New York? Oh, it's a good one on Netflix. We've talked about it. But these detectives, it's almost like I want to try to put myself in their shoes. They're like, yeah, so, you know, in the south precinct, and we woke up and we see bodies, and I just go, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. There's five shots going through. And I'm like, I get to see how these detectives tick. They have the most fucked up job, in my opinion, other than, like, oil rig divers who are crazy.

[Shane]

Sure. Yeah.

[Angela]

Anyways. Whoa. They have the most insane job. So I want to know, like, I love the first 48. It's a hard one. It's also like a hotel TV one.

[Shane]

It's a hotel TV one, which I love, too. I love Forensic Files.

[Angela]

Me too. And they. Their lives. That's why I think we watch true crime, not just for, like, the crime. I think it's more about the detectives, the people, the friends, how they cope, how they deal, and how they also, like, come to the conclusion of solving. It's crazy, these big crimes, like you said. You read Ted Bundy.

[Shane]

Yeah. So I'm by the beach.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And here I am. I found out. Did you know this about Ted Bundy?

[Angela]

No.

[Shane]

He grew up. His mom had him at a really young age.

[Angela]

Okay. So always connecting with him.

[Shane]

Like a teen mom, I believe. I think it was like a. Like a teen mom and his grandparents. So when he started growing up, his grandparents were around and so was his mom. His grandparents told him that his mom was his sister.

[Angela]

What?

[Shane]

Yes. This Is real.

[Angela]

Why?

[Shane]

Because they just. He was. She was so young. I don't understand it. And they were like. Were your parents the grandparents? And then, like, once he got older, they were like, that's actually your mom.

[Angela]

That's so messed up.

[Shane]

Yeah. And then I was reading all these, like, these, like, psychological reports or whatever about how they think that was, like, a fundamental, like, way that he sees women weirdly and differently. And, like, it was a crazy thing.

[Angela]

I always feel like that's so interesting because I always feel like with serial killers, it always starts. Especially if they're men, which most of them are. It always starts with the mother. So crazy. And I'm like, what is that about? Because I do think there's a lot of pressure on a mom. Right? But I also think that young boys, either they're a little bit off when they're younger, or they're, like, in this really crazy situation. It's not an excuse for what they do because they're fascinating.

[Shane]

Did you watch Mindhunter? Did you like it?

[Angela]

I watched Mindhunter. Jonathan Groff in Mindhunter.

[Shane]

What, you liked him?

[Angela]

Went from, I love him.

[Shane]

Yes. I thought he was.

[Angela]

I love him so much. But it was like. The crossover was so weird.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah. It was quite the book. What? What? A.

[Angela]

Like, wait, I didn't read the book.

[Shane]

No, I meant quite the booking. Like, he booked.

[Angela]

Oh, yeah. Holy shit.

[Shane]

Like, what? He had just done the little guy in Frozen. Not the guy, but the other guy in Frozen then goes, does Mind Hunter and is interviewing. Yeah, yeah. Kristoff.

[Angela]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane]

And then all of a sudden, is interviewing the clown. Who's the clown? Murderer.

[Angela]

John Wayne Gacy. Did you watch that documentary?

[Shane]

Yes, I did.

[Angela]

That one messed me up.

[Shane]

Okay, tell me your favorite murderers.

[Angela]

Oh, God.

[Shane]

Well, Mary Kale.

[Angela]

No, no, no, no, no. Well, what is it?

[Shane]

I'm not doing it.

[Angela]

Okay. Okay. John Wayne Gacy made me feel deeply uncomfortable the entire time, and I actually. I watched just because I needed to finish it.

[Shane]

Oof.

[Angela]

That one was awful. And awful. Because what also is so psychologically crazy to watch these things is most of these people have insane double lives.

[Shane]

Oh, yes.

[Angela]

He had. He was deep in the community. He had a whole life. He played a clown at parties.

[Shane]

His shit is the most fucked up.

[Angela]

His shit is so fucked up.

[Shane]

I mean, they're all profoundly fucked up and that. And what do you think? Because a lot of people say that, like. Like, especially white women loving true crime is.

[Angela]

I know. God, are we that? Are we them?

[Shane]

But, like, I think knowing the fact that like, it's. I think it's. There are people that indulge in true crime that make it like it's not real. Right. And I think acknowledging the fact that, like, that it's real and that those victims and that what happened was sad and knowing that.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

Is important because that's where I think the problem with the true crime girlies is. Is when you make it like it's entertainment.

[Angela]

When you. And also, like, when people were saying that the Night Stalker was hot, I was like, it's like, that's wrong.

[Shane]

Yeah. Or Ted Bundy, too. It's like, that's why I. Like when I watch a true crime doc where the families are given a spot to speak.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

They show a lot of things about the person.

[Angela]

About the person. Those are my favorite type of true.

[Shane]

Crime docs where it doesn't feel like the disgusting parts of this are being used for entertainment.

[Angela]

Yeah. Like glorified. That's. I honestly, I didn't watch the remake of Ted Bundy with Zac Efron.

[Shane]

It's rough.

[Angela]

Yeah. I didn't wanna. I didn't watch it.

[Shane]

I watched it because I just know the case. So I. Cause he. I mean, what's fascinating is he was his own lawyer, which is so theatrical. He fires his counsel.

[Angela]

Of course.

[Shane]

Yeah. And he goes. Cause he was, like, very, very smart, and he was so charming. And that was what was really freaky about him. So at some point, he. Because he had studied law.

[Angela]

Oh, of course. Right.

[Shane]

And he kept telling his lawyer, like, what to do, what to do, what to do.

[Angela]

And he was like, fuck it, I'll do it.

[Shane]

So I did want to see how they showed that and did it.

[Angela]

Was it good?

[Shane]

It was cool. Zac Efron is so charming. So it was good casting. At some point, you're, like, waiting for him to sing Bed on It, and you're like, what's happening? And he's, like, really doing the most.

[Angela]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane]

But the charming parts of Ted where he's like, hey, can you help me with my car?

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

They did a great job with that.

[Angela]

So I actually just realized that I struggled to watch adaptations of True Crimes that I've already seen. So, like, the Ted Bundy, I didn't want to watch them. I didn't want to watch Dahmer. I watched one episode, and I was so.

[Shane]

That was hard.

[Angela]

Horrified.

[Shane]

The Dahmer stuff is disgusting.

[Angela]

And I also heard that that actor. I forget his name.

[Shane]

The guy who played him.

[Angela]

I do this all the time, and I can't do It.

[Shane]

It's okay. Anyways, I've seen you do it.

[Angela]

He struggled. Thanks. He struggled. It was a really hard role to get it. Imagine. Yes, actors can do a lot, but to get into the mind of a serial killer. But also the staircase. I couldn't watch that out.

[Shane]

Oh. I watched that out of detail, but I heard it was okay. So that documentary is actually one of my favorites, I think.

[Angela]

Me too.

[Shane]

I think that. And making a murderer.

[Angela]

Oh, making a murderer was an entire journey.

[Shane]

I think. What I like maybe more than Ryan Seacrest here.

[Ryan]

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[Shane]

We're prohibited by law 21 +, terms and conditions apply. Honestly, as we're talking about this, I think more than crime. Yeah, I like the legal stuff too. I like. I like the lawyers.

[Angela]

I love the court stuff.

[Shane]

Oh, and the second season of Making a Murder. When they bring in that lawyer, that woman, we should DM her, see if she'll come on.

[Angela]

Like, no. What would she come out as?

[Shane]

She'd be like, I don't represent guilty people because I will figure it out. That you're guilty. Yeah, it's almost like Kathy or something.

[Angela]

It's almost like her voice.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Angela]

It was like she was swallowing each.

[Shane]

Word, and she would always be like, was it Cathy? Yeah, we're gonna test it.

[Angela]

And she looks like Elvira.

[Shane]

We bought a RAV4. Yeah, we bought a RAV4 and we tried to see if the blood splatter would do. And that's the stuff I'm addicted to. Honestly, this conversation is actually really eye opening. It's not the. Like, let's talk about the sab wounds.

[Angela]

No, it's like, no, I don't like that. Even though I'm reading postmortem. But it's not about that.

[Shane]

It's not about that. It's not that.

[Angela]

It's not about that.

[Shane]

It's not about that. But I loved the retelling of the OG Simpson trial. Did you like that one?

[Angela]

I did.

[Shane]

With.

[Angela]

I did with Sarah Paulson.

[Shane]

Yes. And who's the guy? Ross from Friends playing Rob Kardashian.

[Angela]

I was like, oh, God, David Schwimmer.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

And they have the kids.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Angela]

Okay.

[Shane]

And then they have the kids playing the Kardashians.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

That was like, Chloe.

[Angela]

That was so weird. That was so. I even struggled with that, but I still watched it.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

Yeah. That was crazy. Simpson.

[Shane]

But staircase I found really interesting because they had so much footage. That's what's crazy.

[Angela]

They had so much footage. And do you believe the owl theory?

[Shane]

The owl.

[Angela]

If you know, then you know. If you don't know, then you need to watch the owl staircase.

[Shane]

And this is why I love the retelling, because the retelling gave an episode for each theory. They gave an episode for. Let's talk about this. Okay, so it's this man.

[Angela]

Sorry if we're butchering it. It's been a minute.

[Shane]

He's an author. He was an author.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

And he was a famous author. And his wife one night fell down the stairs.

[Angela]

They were outside having wine.

[Shane]

Having wine.

[Angela]

He was a little bit drunk. He quote, unquote, was outside. And she.

[Shane]

And he goes, she said, I'm gonna go inside. And he said, I'll be up in a minute. And then he came in like 10 minutes later and she was dead at.

[Angela]

The bottom of the stairs.

[Shane]

But what was crazy was it the. The fall is so gruesome that they were like, this couldn't be a fall.

[Angela]

And he had blood splatter in his shorts. Inside, Inside his, like short, like where you draw the draw.

[Shane]

But he, he, he grabbed her when he found her at the bottom.

[Angela]

Exactly.

[Shane]

And yes, but then what was crazy is they found out he wrote about being of a veteran, I believe, or something. And he lied about something in his writing. And then he lied because then they found out his last wife fell down.

[Angela]

The stairs and died.

[Shane]

Had a brain aneurysm.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And it's. That was freaky.

[Angela]

And they found out. How's your hat?

[Shane]

Great.

[Angela]

I had them pin it. And they found out we're wearing big ass sun hats and drinking martinis and have sunglasses. If you are only listening, which I realize you probably are because it's a podcast.

[Shane]

Why'd we put this on?

[Angela]

I don't know. This is just. This is literally just for the office and us. We're in a full getup. And they found out that he might be gay and was talking to a man and had a love affair, which was also like possibly another motive.

[Shane]

And I believe it was like, post, God, we're butchering this. And I'm sorry, I think it was the early 90s. So there was a lot of homophobia because they were like, well, he had gay sex, so he hated his wife.

[Angela]

Exactly.

[Shane]

And he was like, no, I'm openly bi, and my wife knew that.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And she allowed that stuff. But then the prosecution just went in, went in, and they were like, no, his wife hated him. He hated his wife, and he wanted his wife dead. Cause he's gay. And it was like.

[Angela]

Correct.

[Shane]

And they just absolutely blew it out of the world.

[Angela]

Correct. And all the kids stood by him. So then they just came up with more insane theories.

[Shane]

Except one kid turned on him.

[Angela]

Except one kid turned on him. And we know why.

[Shane]

Well, she was the. She. He wasn't her dad. There's a. It was. It's crazy.

[Angela]

Oh, yeah. Well, her. Her first mom was killed on a staircase.

[Shane]

So she was like, I don't. I think he's like, who says he is.

[Angela]

My real mom and my stepmom both died by staircases.

[Shane]

It's.

[Angela]

Sorry.

[Shane]

It's literally. Literally crazy.

[Angela]

So get into the owl.

[Shane]

What I love about the doc is. Yeah, let's get into the owl theory. The doc is so crazy because for some reason, they had dad cams, and they were just rolling on the whole thing. They're rolling on him preparing for trial in his house.

[Angela]

In his house.

[Shane]

And you get to watch that. Which is so fun.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

But the owl theory is so there's a theory that she fell down the stairs and on accident, brutally died. And it's so sad.

[Angela]

It's really sad.

[Shane]

And then the other theory is that he pushed her down. And then there's a third theory that is so wild.

[Angela]

But I kind of was like, huh?

[Shane]

And the Reddit page is crazy about it. Oh, really?

[Angela]

There's a Reddit page about this?

[Shane]

Yes. And it's that there was an owl that attacked. That got into the house and attacked her.

[Angela]

No, it wasn't. Or didn't get into the house. So as they were by their pool. Cause they were pretty rich. She was like, I'm going inside. And they each apparently had, like, a bottle of wine to each other. Their face or whatever.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Angela]

And she's like, I'm going inside. And as she walks to go inside, an owl swoops in. And they're silent at night.

[Shane]

They're silent at night.

[Angela]

Big claws swooped in, clawed her head.

[Shane]

Owl claw. Like, I'm featuring the. Like an animated owl you're picturing.

[Angela]

Yeah, exactly. Me too. It's like, yeah. Clawed the top of her head. And she was like, whoa. What the Hell, don't know why it clawed the top of her head. They're not.

[Shane]

She walked inside and fell and she.

[Angela]

Walked inside and went and fell down in a flight of stairs.

[Shane]

And that's why there was so much blood. Because the owl had cut skin.

[Angela]

Yes. And also what's crazy is when she fell down the flight of stairs, she had such puncture wounds in her head. Trigger warning. So sorry. That they were like, this can't just be a fall.

[Shane]

Yes. And the owl theory goes so far into the fact that there was someone who looked into all of the blood to look for feathers.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

It was deep.

[Angela]

The bladder analysis person. I wanted to do a character on that person. And then I just. I don't know if I did.

[Shane]

My first SNL tape had a blood splatter and analyst. And let me tell you, everyone gave me notes and was like, kills bad. This is so bad. I'd be like, the blood. I can't even tell you what the character was. I was. It was so.

[Angela]

I think that's why we love true crime also because they're so. And the staircase because there's so much trial. Yeah. And these. You do not meet a blood splatter analyst in person.

[Shane]

You don't ever. You don't meet them at the bar.

[Angela]

You don't meet them at the bar.

[Shane]

You don't know they're there. Yeah, they're there. And they're tired.

[Angela]

Yeah. And they're thirsty.

[Shane]

And it's like they're living on like two hours of sleep. And they have so much paper. Yeah.

[Angela]

They have so much papers. So many boxes of papers and so many thoughts. And they've done so many blood splatter experiments with fake things. Yeah.

[Shane]

And we don't see that here at Smosh. Everyone's just here in a bright colored hoodie and they're on their phone on Slack.

[Angela]

They're happy.

[Shane]

It's not like books. And they're like, I have so much paperwork and evidence to go. Yes.

[Angela]

And they are the best people to watch.

[Shane]

They're just fascinating. And. But so that owl theory was pretty crazy because also there was another owl attack, like down the street.

[Angela]

Wait.

[Shane]

And that's what I think got the people was like, someone was attacked by an owl. Far away. Someone was attacked by an owl, like four doors down. Which is why people were like, she was attacked by an owl.

[Angela]

I think the truth is that people didn't. They just don't want to believe that their partner killed them.

[Shane]

Do you believe he did it?

[Angela]

Oh, this is a tough question.

[Shane]

This one. Okay.

[Angela]

Because I have a. I have a.

[Shane]

Theory on everything, JonBenet. I have a theory on literally every one.

[Angela]

Right, of course. JonBenet.

[Shane]

I think it's the mother.

[Angela]

I do, too.

[Shane]

And that's why I think she died earlier.

[Angela]

I do, too.

[Shane]

Anyway.

[Angela]

Yeah, that's probably true. Here's. You know what? I. After watching the documentary, I went, no, he didn't do it.

[Shane]

He didn't push her down the stairs.

[Angela]

He didn't push her down the stairs. And then over time, as I mulled it over and talked to other folks, they went, of course he did it.

[Shane]

A lot of people think he did it. Do you think Steven Avery killed Theresa Hallbeck?

[Angela]

No.

[Shane]

This is making a murder.

[Angela]

No. Making murder. I think Steven Avery is innocent, and I think that his. What was it? His nephew. Brendan Darcy. Darcy. Darcy.

[Shane]

Brendan Darcy.

[Angela]

Not Darcy.

[Shane]

Mr. Darcy.

[Angela]

Yes, Mr. Darcy.

[Shane]

Another. Another drink by the pool. Oh. Oh.

[Angela]

Pride and Prejudice. Also a good book.

[Shane]

Also a good book.

[Angela]

Never read it, but the movie's fantastic.

[Shane]

All adaptations. I think he didn't do it.

[Angela]

I don't think he did it because, remember, he got out of jail and then got put back in. I think it was his nephew and.

[Shane]

The nephew's dad, and I think it was the police. That whole justice wing in that town hated him.

[Angela]

Oh, yeah, they hated him.

[Shane]

He got all that money because he caught him. They caught him for putting him.

[Angela]

They hated him. Yeah, it was so sad. That documentary was really, really sad.

[Shane]

It's really sad when they went to his family and they were. The mother of him. He was. She was just slowly. Just getting older and older, and she was just like, I just want to see him released.

[Angela]

Well, he's still in jail now.

[Shane]

What about Serial Sarah Koenig? Wait a minute. Yeah.

[Angela]

Yes, of course, he's.

[Shane]

He was released.

[Angela]

He was released as of, like, I think a year ago.

[Shane]

Yeah, truly. I remember it was, like, all over.

[Angela]

Serial, I will say, was one of, like, my first podcast.

[Shane]

I think Serial was, like, huge for the true crime community.

[Angela]

Huge. Because it was actually working with the families or his family to try to get him out because he was booked on, like, no evidence.

[Shane]

Yeah. It also feels like we're talking about a podcast that I think NPR did a long time ago, and it felt like that was the first podcast that was, like, kind of went viral, I think.

[Angela]

I think it did because people were.

[Shane]

Like, everyone was listening to this podcast.

[Angela]

They were like, whoa. So this kid went to jail for life because his girlfriend was murdered.

[Shane]

His ex girlfriend in high school.

[Angela]

His Ex girlfriend in high school was murdered. So, so, so upsetting. And he went to jail on not a lot of evidence.

[Shane]

Like, very, very, very little. And his stance. His lawyer was. Was not good.

[Angela]

His lawyer was not good. Yes.

[Shane]

Sick. Yes. She, like, had cancer or something really sad.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

And she was not doing a good job because Sarah Koenig was like. Yeah. We went back and we. Are you okay over there?

[Angela]

Yeah, I'm okay. The glass is kind of hurt my nose, but it's fine. Oh, I can't take it off. The sun is so bright.

[Shane]

You're right. You're right.

[Angela]

Are you kidding me?

[Shane]

It's awesome. We're getting a tan right now.

[Angela]

Yeah, it's crazy. SPF 100. Did you know that? SPF 50. That's all you need. Anything over 50.

[Shane]

What do you mean, that's all I need?

[Angela]

Never mind. I'm not going to talk about sunscreen. That's a. That's a touchy subject.

[Shane]

Back to murder.

[Angela]

Back to murder. Not touchy. So, yes, cereal. Exactly. The lawyer wasn't good, and they had no evidence. And also all of the people who claimed that he was there or all of them who gave alibis for themselves and him, it was all a lie. They, like, found out later.

[Shane]

Yeah, that's what's. That's what's so fascinating, too.

[Angela]

So he got released.

[Shane]

Yeah. It's like, oh, once I. I think I've told the story about when my car was stolen on the channel. I have. Yeah. But when my car was stolen with dogs inside it, I had to go to court and I had to be on the witness stand, and I had to say, I didn't give this man permission to drive my car. That's all I had to do on the witness stand. I just had to go up there and say that.

[Angela]

But was it stressful?

[Shane]

I was in my thick, true crime girly face, and I was like, I'm gonna go stand on the witness stand. I think I wore a pencil skirt. I don't wear skirts.

[Angela]

You're like, I'm gonna need a lawyer to go through all the questions with me. So I know exactly what I'm gonna have to say.

[Shane]

What am I gonna do when the press is outside and I have to ignore the press? Yes. My lawyer will speak for me. We are happy about this successful trial today.

[Angela]

They didn't give you a lawyer?

[Shane]

No. I literally just went up there and they're like, did you give this man permission to drive your car? And I went, no.

[Angela]

And then you look at the jury and you're like, you've got to believe me.

[Shane]

No jury, not even that. And I was just like, is that it? You don't want to talk to me about my life?

[Angela]

Trust me. You don't want to be on the stand.

[Shane]

God.

[Angela]

Did you watch the Jinx?

[Shane]

I have not seen season two yet.

[Angela]

Whoa. Okay, what are we going to discuss?

[Shane]

There's so many others.

[Angela]

Well, if you haven't seen season two of the Jinx, you must watch it because it is all about dismantling Robert Durst's closest friends in his circle, and they're all on the stand.

[Shane]

This is the most. You look like a 45 woman, 45 year old woman I've ever seen.

[Angela]

Shane's gonna go, I went on vacation and you guys got old.

[Shane]

You guys just. What did you do?

[Angela]

Well, when you put on a sun hat and you wear your sunglasses low, you get old.

[Shane]

I have to watch the jinx. I really have to catch up on that one. What do you think Shane's reading on vacation?

[Angela]

Oh, I. He's probably finishing courts of roses of fucking thorns.

[Shane]

He's probably got a whole box of books.

[Angela]

Oh, he, He. He rips through books and like, not like, turn your brain off books. Like, he rips through, like solid good books and he's.

[Shane]

He's probably watching books, reading movies. He's probably doing. He feels like a productive guy on vacation.

[Angela]

Yeah, I think he feels like someone.

[Shane]

Who goes to the gym on vacation.

[Angela]

Oh, no.

[Shane]

Do you think so?

[Angela]

Does he do that?

[Shane]

I don't know.

[Angela]

Let me tell you.

[Shane]

I've never been on vacation with Shane.

[Angela]

I don't go to the gym on vacation. You know those people that work out in the hotel gym? I tried it once. First of all, they're the size of a bathroom, which is fine, but there's nothing you can do if you're someone.

[Shane]

Listening right now and you're a vacation and you're a fitness on vacation person.

[Angela]

Good for you.

[Shane]

Good for you. But also be free. No one's watching.

[Angela]

Congratulations.

[Shane]

Be free.

[Angela]

Oh, excellent.

[Shane]

Nothing sucks more than on your way to the pool, walking by the hotel gym and you're like, what the fuck? Put it away.

[Angela]

Yeah, put this in a secret shit away. This in a secret hallway that there are no rooms next to it. We want. We need to take an elevator and 5 million stairs to get to so that you barely see it.

[Shane]

Yoga, fine. Oh, meditation, fine.

[Angela]

Yoga, beautiful on the beach.

[Shane]

Cardio at the Hyatt.

[Angela]

You're gonna pack your gym sneakers. You're gonna. You're Gonna miss out on a couple sundresses for gym sneakers.

[Shane]

You're gonna have a disgusting, wet pair of leggings to bring home. Cause you sweat. Cause you didn't sit up to the gym on vacation.

[Angela]

That is a true crime, doc, right there.

[Shane]

You don't need to show me you're better than me. Just go to bed. Yeah.

[Angela]

Go to sleep. And do. Do Olympic workouts in the pool. Which, by the way, don't do anything. You know, when you were a kid. And my mom would be like, all right, you girls want to go to the gym? Olympic gym.

[Shane]

Like a lap pool.

[Angela]

No, I mean, like a pool. Okay. Okay. Like, when you go to a pool and there's like. What do they call it? Pool workouts. Gym workouts.

[Shane]

Oh, my God. Like water aerobics for old people.

[Angela]

Yeah, but sometimes I had to go in it. My mom was very intense about working out, and I went in there and you're not. You're not. Your heart rate doesn't even lift a fucking finger. Your heart rate is actually steady. If you were wearing an apple watch, you'd be like, you're asleep right now. No. You're in the pool. And those women think they're fucking rocking it.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

So then they're like, okay, I can eat whatever I want for the rest of the day, but all they're doing is moving their arms.

[Shane]

Yes, you're right.

[Angela]

Like, they're like, I need help. I'm drowning.

[Shane]

They're like, I want to get, like, a tiramisu.

[Angela]

After dinner, all they're thinking about is their next cocktail. And maybe they. They get it.

[Shane]

And let me tell you, if you feel like you got to earn it. You already did. Yeah. It's hard being alive. You woke up the tiramisu.

[Angela]

Exactly. You woke up.

[Shane]

These are things I have to tell myself. It's hard.

[Angela]

No, you should eat the tiramisu.

[Shane]

Because on vacations, for some reason, indulging, like, as an adult. As a kid, I'm like, give me chicken fingers and a sundae. But as an adult, you just feel so. Like, you can't. Like, like you can enjoy yourself, but, like, oh, I shouldn't. I shouldn't have a croissant for breakfast.

[Angela]

I know.

[Shane]

And what.

[Angela]

When should you.

[Shane]

When you're dead.

[Angela]

Exactly. You won't be able to eat when you're dead.

[Shane]

No.

[Angela]

So have a croissant when you're on vacation. Cause it's really important.

[Shane]

But also, if you want to work out, I respect it. Just don't do it. In front of me.

[Angela]

That was the most Italian mob boss thing I've ever heard.

[Shane]

This is water I'm drinking.

[Angela]

Honestly, you and me on a vacation would be so fucking fun.

[Shane]

I feel like we would do a good job at having alone time.

[Angela]

Yes. That's okay. Big thing about vacation. We're gonna take a pause from true crime for a second. Big thing about vacation. Which is crazy that these two are in the same episode. You can't always travel with anybody.

[Shane]

Okay. There are some people I love, love deeply, and I love hanging out with them on the weekends.

[Angela]

Oh, what a blast.

[Shane]

Or for a good dinner on the week. Yes.

[Angela]

Love.

[Shane]

You don't travel. No.

[Angela]

And you. I think you have to learn that the hard way. I think they're incredible people, but you can't always travel with them because travel is a very personal, vulnerable experience.

[Shane]

And some people get sometimes people's like, insecurities or, like, control. Like, I can't travel with my mom. I love her. I'm still gonna do it.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

But her control tendencies come out.

[Angela]

Yes.

[Shane]

But I mean, that goes for everybody. Like, we all just. You really see all parts of you when you're traveling. Yes.

[Angela]

And sometimes you want a trip that there's like, stuff like, oh, you look this up and researched it and it's probably gonna be great. Awesome.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

But I will say it's so important to travel with people who are comfortable with silence and comfortable with, like, going with the flow. And comfortable with going with the flow and comfortable with alone time.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

That's a big one for me.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

Because I love to my mornings. I love, like, quiet. I love alone time. I also like going on a walk by myself.

[Shane]

That's good. Yeah.

[Angela]

And it's important to do, but, you.

[Shane]

Know, like, I. I feel bad I was harsh from my mom being like, it's hard, but it's.

[Angela]

No.

[Shane]

Like, you see so much my brother when we travel. He cares about temperature so much. He's like, it's hot in here. It's really hot in here.

[Angela]

Oh, no.

[Shane]

It's really hot. Oh, and the hotel ac, God forbid. It's not working in my family.

[Angela]

Oh, really?

[Shane]

Oh, yeah. And then my mom goes into every hotel room and she wants to sniff it out. If she doesn't like the smell of the hotel room, we move hotels. Not hotels, but rooms. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. I. Growing up, we would never bring in our bags. We'd wait for her to like the room.

[Angela]

Are you serious?

[Shane]

She'd go. She's a real smell girl.

[Angela]

Oh, that's so Crazy.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Angela]

But not crazy. Yeah, there's some rooms that probably smell like there's probably been stuff happening in there.

[Shane]

Ugh, hotel rooms. Disgusting.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

But I feel so comfortable in all of them.

[Angela]

I love hotel rooms. The biggest thing for my mom is they have to have a safe security box.

[Shane]

Oh, moms love that box.

[Angela]

She loves bringing cash on trips. She always tells me, man, a cash is king. And I go, don't come to LA because most places are cashless. She loves the secret security box. It's her favorite thing. She goes there.

[Shane]

She goes, where's the box?

[Angela]

She opens the closet and she goes, all right, girls, the code, okay? Please don't write this down. Admit it to memory, because we don't want anyone to find it, okay? And she puts cash, all of our passports and, like, that's it. No jewelry or anything.

[Shane]

Yeah, I never have anything to put in there.

[Angela]

No, I never put shit in there.

[Shane]

My broken locket from Brandy Fuckville. What am I gonna do with it?

[Angela]

I never put shit in there. Because if they're going in to steal shit, they're gonna just take the box. You know what I'm saying?

[Shane]

No, I mean. But they make those boxes so they can't open them.

[Angela]

They can't. Well, listen, can't they take the whole box?

[Shane]

But once you get the box, it's so strong, they don't like. The idea behind the design of the box is that you can't cut into it.

[Angela]

Robbers steal ATMs. Whole ATMs.

[Shane]

Yeah. And then what do they do? Take a bone saw to it?

[Angela]

Probably back to true crime. I'm just kidding.

[Shane]

We should try to take an ATM and see if we can get in it.

[Angela]

Absolutely not.

[Shane]

And then go to jail. No.

[Angela]

I will say sharing a hotel room with you, though, like we did at VidCon, was so lovely.

[Shane]

Yeah, we're good at it.

[Angela]

We're really good at it. Because when it's. Oh, also when it's bedtime, it's fucking bedtime. When I go with my sisters, God love her, my little sister, I love her so much. She decides the best time to chat is right after you go. All right, good night. Good night. That's when she starts the conversation. That's when all the conversation that you usually have at the beach when they go, hey, you know what? When mom said that thing and you put your book down and you're like, I'm ready for this. That's when she starts it, right? When you go, good night. Good night. And you've turned and you're like, ugh, I'm in the perfect position. She goes, you know, mom said this thing today. And I'm like, this isn't happening.

[Shane]

God, sisters are so much better than brothers. I know my brother. We have, like, an inside joke that now. Because now it's, like, almost disgustingly tradition that every time me and my brother in a hotel room, he throws his dirty socks at my face, and my dad laughs so hard. It makes my dad so genuinely happy.

[Angela]

So I'm.

[Shane]

And then my brother will wait. My brother will wait till I'm laughing so the sock can land in my mouth. Once I almost barfed because it was so disgusting. That's what it's like having a brother. And then my brother will fart on my pillow. He'll literally. He'll be like. Like.

[Angela]

Like an adult pink eye.

[Shane]

You can't. That's not true.

[Angela]

What do you mean, fart? Fart is poop particles. Everybody knows that.

[Shane]

Yeah, but poop doesn't. If I rub poop on my eye right now, I wouldn't get pink eye.

[Angela]

Yes, you would.

[Shane]

Just vacation things so guys don't fart.

[Angela]

On pillows because you can get pink eye. Also, traveling with a brother is completely different than traveling. Cause with sisters, it goes. That's such a cute dress. Did you pack anything else?

[Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Angela]

None of my dresses fit right now. Can I borrow one of yours? And you go, sure.

[Shane]

I'd rather.

[Angela]

Just don't sweat in it too much.

[Shane]

See, I would rather a disgusting sock in my face than a girl going, are you gonna wear that?

[Angela]

It's never.

[Shane]

That's warfare.

[Angela]

No, the sisters never judge about, like, what you're wearing, but they always go, all the stuff I brought is shit. Can I try on your stuff?

[Shane]

Oh, no.

[Angela]

And then you're watching them at dinner, and it's a dress that you just took the tag off, and they're eating, like, fries with ketchup, and they're talking, and the ketchup is, like, inches away from dropping. And you go, hey, just don't drop. And they go, are you serious right now? Do you really think I would soil your dress? Soil? Wow. So it's different.

[Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Angela]

But sisters are way more fun than brothers, I think.

[Shane]

My brother and I, though, we travel really well together. We both blast the TV at night when we're sleeping. Are you a TV before bed? Like, we're putting Seinfeld on, and then the acs blast it. And, you know, hotel comforters are huge.

[Angela]

Yeah, they're heavy.

[Shane]

And that thing's. It's like a jumbotron.

[Angela]

Wait, you never, you know, we never kept the tv.

[Shane]

Yeah. Because I've gotten better as an adult.

[Angela]

Okay.

[Shane]

But growing up, my brother and I, we would just blast that tv.

[Angela]

So. I don't like TV blasted at night. It doesn't like give me comfort.

[Shane]

Oh yeah. The other night I couldn't go to sleep, so I had the crown on. Then I Woke up at 5am and it was like Buckingham palace blasting in my face.

[Angela]

The crown.

[Shane]

I sleep to the crown all the time.

[Angela]

Oh. Because boring and slow and I love it. Just kidding. It seems like a good show.

[Shane]

You haven't seen it? Well, you have to watch it.

[Angela]

I've watched the first season and I was like, excellent.

[Shane]

You have to watch all the seasons. Olivia Colman is.

[Angela]

No, I love Olivia.

[Shane]

You have to see it. You have to see it.

[Angela]

Okay.

[Shane]

Yeah, it's good.

[Angela]

Okay, I'll watch the crown. That's some. That's something that I will watch.

[Shane]

Yeah. But also I like. Do you like normal documentaries? Because not just murder documentaries. I like like sports docs.

[Angela]

I love sports docs because it's like truth.

[Shane]

It's like fun to see people.

[Angela]

I love food documentaries. I, I love cult documentaries.

[Shane]

Back to the Dark.

[Angela]

No, I do. I love, I love really beautiful documentaries. I love. I watched this documentary called Hundred Foot Wave. It's actually really good. It's surfers trying to surf a hundred foot wave in all different parts of the world. And I think episode one is Portugal and that. So that made me realize that's why I love True crime is because you're with the surfer the whole time. It's his past, it's how he survives surfing. Because it's like, do I get a real job or do I spend every single day practicing surfing? So it's like them getting over the 100 foot wave and that wave can kill you. So it's like you can. Yes. A hundred.

[Shane]

I can't look at you. Like this wave, a hundred foot wave.

[Angela]

It's crazy.

[Shane]

That's wild.

[Angela]

So I'll watch that.

[Shane]

Yeah. Like the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader doc. Right now everyone's obsessed with.

[Angela]

Haven't seen it.

[Shane]

Really good.

[Angela]

Is it good?

[Shane]

Yeah. I love like, like documentaries about like athletes. Like, like. Oh, like trying to like do something that's really difficult.

[Angela]

I think that's another thing. I think we love people. I love seeing people, that's it. So deep in their job, in their element and they're trying to figure it out and then when they come to a conclusion, it is like, oh, epic.

[Shane]

There's a Missy Copeland. Nope. Missy. No. Yeah, I made Missy Copeland. Right? Misty. Misty Copeland. She is a documentary. She's a ballerina. One of the first black ballerinas in the.

[Angela]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane]

And she is. Her athleticism and you see her wake up and you see her, like, just. That is so fun.

[Angela]

Ballerinas are absolutely. They're incredible.

[Shane]

Incredible.

[Angela]

Wow.

[Shane]

That stuff is fun. So, yeah, it feels like any type of, like, people. Truth.

[Angela]

So we kind of figured out our true crime obsession.

[Shane]

Yeah, I think it's less about the.

[Angela]

The crime.

[Shane]

The like. Yeah. I like the trial. I love the lawyers. I love when they're all stressed and working together. It's very fascinating.

[Angela]

What's one that you're watching right now? Is there one that you're on right now?

[Shane]

Right now? I haven't had time to do because I like to binge them. Do you binge them?

[Angela]

Yeah, of course.

[Shane]

Yeah. I haven't had a free, like, couple days to just like, turn off and binge one in a bit. But I'm right now really obsessed with Below Deck, which is a Bravo show.

[Angela]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shane]

We've talked about this and I don't know why.

[Angela]

Do you want to explain why you're obsessed of Below Duck?

[Shane]

Yeah, I think. Well, I watched all of Vanderpump and I'm out. Right. And I love Housewives. I love Vanderpump, I love Summer House. I love shows where, like, people are drinking and they make stupid mistakes. And I like. I like when people have big egos and they're fighting. I read somewhere it's like the best characters are the ones who are viewed. View themselves differently than the way other people view.

[Angela]

Oh, yeah. They. They're not self aware.

[Shane]

Yeah. Right. And that's what I love about, like, Crazy Housewives being, like, insane. But Below Deck right now I'm watching. It's. It's one of the, like, good brav shows, but less popular.

[Angela]

So good.

[Shane]

It's so freaking good. I'm watching it only because I just am busy right now, so I like to watch, like, these people hustling.

[Angela]

So she can't. She's busy right now. She can't really have a life. A little bit.

[Shane]

I'm just at smosh during the day, and then I'm doing starkid rehearsals for this musical at night. So I just don't have a lot of time. So if I'm watching Vanderpump and they're all just like, hanging out, I'm like, I want to do that.

[Angela]

Yeah. So you want to watch Below Deck where they're up at the ass crack of dawn working their ass off. So you're like.

[Shane]

They're like shrucking oysters and they're like, we get a day off in six days.

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And they're just like all bonding and I think it's such a good show. Are you watching any True Crime?

[Angela]

I love Below Deck. I'm not watching any True crime right now, but I am listening to True Crime.

[Shane]

What are you listening to?

[Angela]

I actually went ahead and got myself a little gift and I downloaded the Wondery app because I love Wondery so much. Wondery.

[Shane]

I love wondery. Dr. Death.

[Angela]

Dr. Death. Freaking.

[Shane]

I love it.

[Angela]

The shrink next door.

[Shane]

The shrink next Door is so good. These are podcasts on Wondery that are. That are based. They're true. They're like journalism podcasts.

[Angela]

Yes, exactly. And all of the hosts are journalists and I love them. And also Shittown. Remember Shittown?

[Shane]

Shit s Town was so good.

[Angela]

So fucking good. There's so much. Oh, there's one I love you to.

[Shane]

Death or something like that. What's the one?

[Angela]

Oh, yeah, I love you to death, I think.

[Shane]

Or the one of like the. Yeah, there's a lot of good wondering.

[Angela]

Also there's one about. The one I'm listening to right now is called Cold, and it's like cold cases, obviously, and cold cases are a little tough. There's. There's one that I listen to called who killed Daphne? The most insane, insane podcast I've ever listened to in my life.

[Shane]

Did you listen to the one about the Black Dahlia?

[Angela]

Yes, I listened to that. The Black Dahlia frustrates me. Yeah, but I should. I don't think I finished it.

[Shane]

Yeah, but the.

[Angela]

The who killed Daphne is all about a journalist in Malta who gets murdered. And what she was trying to uncover about Malta. It is political. It is so wild. And her sons are fighting for justice.

[Shane]

Oh, I will listen to that.

[Angela]

So those that I'm not really watching, I'm listening. Yeah, right now.

[Shane]

That's good.

[Angela]

But I'm watching the bear right now.

[Shane]

Okay. Love that.

[Angela]

And that's drama.

[Shane]

Yeah, that's.

[Angela]

They say it's a comedy, but this season is of drama.

[Shane]

Really?

[Angela]

Yeah.

[Shane]

I can't wait to watch this season.

[Angela]

So, yeah, so that's. That's my vibe. But I don't watch that on vacation.

[Shane]

Yeah, but yeah, I like to watch like, I don't watch a lot of TV on vacation.

[Angela]

Except when you blast it at night.

[Shane]

Yeah, except when I blast it at night at Vidcon, we watched. We are getting ready in the morning for our meet and greet and I put some TV on just in the background and we watched Hoarders.

[Angela]

We watched Hoarders Hard. Hard show to watch.

[Shane]

Hard show to watch.

[Angela]

We also watched all of the bits of how to lose a guy in 10 days because it was on the TV for four days and every time we would turn it on it was a different part of the movie.

[Shane]

That's what I love about hotel tv. It's just got. It's the same thing. Same movie, same thing over again. You're like, oh, pretty women's on again.

[Angela]

Oh, I love Pretty Woman.

[Shane]

I love that one.

[Angela]

Someone told me that I look like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman right now.

[Shane]

What do you mean right now?

[Angela]

So hear me out. Big mistake.

[Shane]

Now in your face. Huge, big mistake.

[Angela]

If you guys aren't seeing I look nothing like Julia Roberts right now. But we wish I also look like White Lotus.

[Shane]

Yes, that's.

[Angela]

Mommy said I look more just white.

[Shane]

Minus the lotus.

[Angela]

Minus the lotus. I also love that show.

[Shane]

I want to thank you for bringing me on your vacation with you. This is really nice.

[Angela]

I want to say thank you so for coming on my vacation.

[Shane]

Oh, what a blast. And I hope Shane is vacationing somewhere and enjoying himself.

[Angela]

Me too.

[Shane]

But this was. We didn't even have to go anywhere. We didn't even have to board a plane, truly.

[Angela]

And maybe he never comes back.

[Shane]

What?

[Angela]

What?

[Shane]

That's a true crime. I watch YouTuber missing.

[Angela]

Oh, I didn't say that. I'm six martinis deep and the ship awful job is about to leave without us.

[Shane]

Guys, we have to board the Royal Caribbean. Cause you're going to Cozumel and tonight is fancy night on the ship. So we're.

[Angela]

Guys, it's fancy night and we're going to see the same improvisers do the same improvised Shakespeare show on the ship.

[Shane]

We can't wait to see it. They're great.

[Angela]

Guys, thank you so much for watching and also put in the comments, your little vacation stories. And if you haven't gone on vacation, save a little bit of money if you can and just get in the car and drive 30 minutes and go look at a different place. Or heck on vacation.

[Shane]

Just buy a big hat.

[Angela]

Or heck and draw a big hat.

[Shane]

Buy a big cat and drink water out of a silly glass. That's what we did today. And that felt like a vacay.

[Angela]

Yeah, you literally don't have to do anything. Grab your bestie and frickin put on some sunglasses and.

[Shane]

And just, you know, vibe.

[Angela]

All right.

[Shane]

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[Angela]

Love y'all. We'll see you later. We gotta catch.

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