#69 - Most Unhinged People On The Internet

Summary

Podcast Summary: Smosh Mouth #69 - Most Unhinged People On The Internet

Release Date: November 4, 2024
Hosts: Shayne Topp (Shane), Amanda Lehan-Canto (Amanda)
Guest: Courtney Miller

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1. Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of Smosh Mouth, hosts Shane and Amanda are joined by special guest Courtney Miller to delve into the most unhinged personalities populating the internet today. The conversation kicks off with light-hearted banter before transitioning into a deep dive into various online phenomena.

2. The Impact of Social Media Algorithms

Shane discusses how modern social media algorithms create unique "fingerprints" for each user, leading to highly personalized content feeds. This personalization can trap individuals in echo chambers, constantly exposing them to niche or extreme content.

Shane (02:25): "It's almost like your own fingerprint. Yes, that we all have different people."

Amanda adds that unlike the past where mainstream media had a universal set of influencers (e.g., Johnny Carson), today’s digital landscape fosters a multitude of micro-celebrities, making shared cultural references rare.

Amanda (02:46): "Back in the 60s, it was like, did you see Johnny Carson? But now it's like, did you see the guy who climbs trees naked?"

3. Bodybuilding Community Turmoil

The trio discusses a controversial incident within the bodybuilding TikTok community involving Jeff Nippard, a respected figure known for science-based training programs.

• Assault Incident: Another bodybuilder physically assaulted Jeff Nippard at the gym, leading to public outrage and discussions about "roid rage."

  Shane (04:17): "This other bodybuilder literally assaulted him. So mean."

• Community Divide: The incident highlighted a divide between natural bodybuilders and those using steroids, sparking debates about ethics and behavior in the fitness community.

  Shane (05:13): "Jeff Nippard is a natural bodybuilder. There's a divide because some follow science-based stuff, and others believe in lifting as hard as possible without regard to science."

4. Reality TV and Perception vs. Reality

a. Love is Blind Analysis

Shane, Amanda, and Courtney critique the reality TV show "Love is Blind," focusing on the negative portrayal of its participants and the show's editing practices.

• Character Assessment: They express skepticism about the authenticity of participants' personas, suggesting that many are manufactured for entertainment value.

  Shane (10:07): "The bar is so low. None of them should be married. They are all bad for each other."

• Host Criticism: The hosts criticize Vanessa Lachey’s handling of contestants, believing she fails to hold participants accountable for their actions.

  Shane (14:03): "She's been shitty for a couple seasons."

• Viewer Reactions: They note conflicting opinions on social media, where some viewers defend contestants while others condemn them, emphasizing the show's divisive nature.

b. Editing and Persona Creation

The discussion highlights how editing in reality TV often misrepresents individuals, creating "villains" or "heroes" that may not align with the participants' true personalities.

Shane (18:14): "I wouldn't be surprised with any reality show if I met someone from it and they were the complete opposite of what the show depicted them as."

5. Viral TikTok Personalities

The conversation shifts to various TikTok personalities who embody unhinged or extreme behaviors, contributing to the overall theme of the episode.

a. Sophia Lacourt

Sophia Lacourt, a red-haired TikToker, becomes a focal point due to controversies surrounding her dating life and public persona.

Courtney (21:45): "She did this whole video where she's got like a boa on. She’s just like very old Hollywood glamour, but she's like a Gen Z."

She faces backlash for dating her best friend's ex, despite assertions that there was no direct friendship involved.

Shane (27:08): "If she truly is dating her best friend's ex, that's not her best friend. They don't even know each other."

b. Maxwell the Cat & Santa Corgi

• Maxwell the Cat: Known for aggressive behavior towards other cats, making him a "villain" on TikTok feeds.

  Shane (42:43): "This cat is the Thanos of cats. Evil cat."

• Santa Corgi: A festive TikToker dedicated to Christmas-themed content, showcasing endearing but sometimes cringy performances.

  Amanda (44:00): "He does a lot of lives. And he's not rude. He's so sweet."

c. Anouk and Church Nuts

• Anouk: An enigmatic TikToker known for his Christmas music performances, blending mystery with talent.

  Shane (49:37): "Anuk is top three TikTocker. Absolute legend."

• Church Nuts: A performer dedicated to his craft at Renaissance Fairs, embodying the quirky and niche personalities that thrive online.

  Courtney (56:35): "There is no celebrity as good as these small, little special stars that we get from TikTok."

6. The Dual Nature of Online Fame

The hosts reflect on how online fame can both elevate and distort individuals' public personas. While some TikTokers like Sabrina Carpenter maintain a wholesome image despite high production values, others embrace unhinged behaviors to gain attention.

Courtney (29:56): "She knows exactly how she's coming across on the camera. All the delivery is just so good."

They also discuss the pressures of maintaining an online persona and the potential psychological impacts of receiving constant, sometimes negative, feedback.

Shane (19:21): "When someone comes in with a very, like, self-righteous attitude, and they see weakness, she latches on."

7. Unique Content Creators

The conversation highlights content creators who stand out due to their unique approaches, such as animal psychics and magicians, showcasing the diverse range of personalities that inhabit the internet.

Courtney (60:29): "I follow an animal psychic. It's about magic grandpa, doing magic tricks in a 40s style."

8. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Shane, Amanda, and Courtney wrap up the episode by reiterating the importance of recognizing the constructed nature of online personas and the often unhinged behaviors that thrive in the digital age. They encourage listeners to critically engage with content and remain aware of the thin line between reality and performance online.

Shane (61:12): "It's like watching you have La Court, but it's like when a villain pops up on your feed and it's like, I gotta watch this villain."

The hosts express excitement about future topics and the endless stream of unique personalities that continue to shape the internet landscape.

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Notable Quotes:

• Shane (04:17): "This other bodybuilder literally assaulted him. So mean."
• Amanda (02:46): "Back in the 60s, it was like, did you see Johnny Carson? But now it's like, did you see the guy who climbs trees naked?"
• Shane (10:07): "The bar is so low. None of them should be married. They are all bad for each other."
• Courtney (21:45): "She did this whole video where she's got like a boa on. She’s just like very old Hollywood glamour, but she's like a Gen Z."

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of the most extreme and unhinged personalities navigating the vast landscape of the internet today. Through engaging discussions and insightful critiques, Shane, Amanda, and Courtney shed light on the complexities of online fame, reality TV perceptions, and the ever-evolving dynamics of social media platforms.

Transcript

[Shane]

Hello, welcome to Smoshmouth. I'm Shane.

[Amanda]

Hello, I'm Amanda. And we have a very special guest with us, Courtney Miller.

[Courtney Miller]

Hello, I'm Courtney Miller. I did not die.

[Shane]

What?

[Amanda]

What?

[Courtney Miller]

Some people said one of the last things I. They said that I died because, remember when I did that, your face was so.

[Amanda]

Your wife died, guys. That would be awful if you just came to work the next day.

[Shane]

Bummer.

[Amanda]

You were like, my wife died. Anyways, Gotta get this.

[Shane]

If I showed up to work. If I showed up to work and I was like, yeah, my wife died. Then he killed me, then. No. You and Angela would be like, we're on the case. Shane did it.

[Amanda]

Can we come over to your house and just take a quick sweep?

[Courtney Miller]

No, it's okay. So someone tweeted saying, like, wow, rest in peace, Courtney. She's probably dead by now because of when I did the. Try not to laugh. And I had the. When I was going to die in a few moments.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. So I'm not dead.

[Shane]

The bit.

[Amanda]

Okay, I know.

[Courtney Miller]

I've been on this.

[Amanda]

I'm not dead.

[Shane]

Courtney's not dead. She's referencing a bit because we need.

[Amanda]

You for this episode.

[Shane]

Yeah. It would be really a bummer if we found out that you're dead.

[Amanda]

Yeah. For.

[Shane]

I'd be pretty bummed.

[Amanda]

I mean. Yeah.

[Shane]

No, but for both of us, it'd be pretty bad.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

But. Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Who would be more bummed if I died?

[Shane]

What are you talking about?

[Amanda]

Most likely me.

[Shane]

Amanda.

[Amanda]

You'Re not a good person. Guys, don't forget to vote. That's what I want to see.

[Shane]

Yeah. It's November 4th. Kind of a big deal right now.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. Depending on the state you're in, you can register and vote in the same day.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Check it out. Look it up if you can.

[Amanda]

Too late.

[Shane]

Yeah, do that. And vote on local things. We'll never talk about that stuff, but your local stuff. Important. I mean, vote on everything, you know?

[Courtney Miller]

But you have so much more impact in your local government.

[Shane]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Amanda]

All right. Anyways, open the episode with your wife dying. Guys, go vote.

[Shane]

Anyways, today we're talking about. We're. We did this a few episodes ago or like, a few months ago.

[Amanda]

I'm so excited. That's me playing the piano and excited.

[Shane]

We occasionally love to check in on the characters that are popping up on each other's feeds on. On TikTok, on YouTube, the television. Just people that keep showing up. Because I feel like our. Our entertainment spheres are so different nowadays. Like, person to person. It's almost like your own fingerprint. Yes, that we all have different people. Like when we had. We had Tommy here last time and people. Tommy was talking about people that I had never heard of in.

[Amanda]

But the thing is, I. I heard of a couple of those because he sends them to me. Yeah, he sends them to me and I'm like, oh my God. And then we both get addicted.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

What's crazy about this, like, new age is that you should just turn on the TV and everyone was watching the same show. And now your TikTok and Instagram, you have your own, I don't know, Ross or Roster.

[Shane]

You're right. Back in the 60s, it was like, did you see Johnny Carson? Like, I saw Johnny Carson too.

[Amanda]

And that's.

[Shane]

That's all anyone talked about, was Johnny Carson. But now it's like, did you see the guy who climbs trees naked? And it's like, oh, no, I haven't seen that guy.

[Amanda]

Where is that?

[Shane]

I made that guy up. But I bet you that's a real guy.

[Courtney Miller]

I'm sure he exists.

[Shane]

If you on your feeds anywhere get a guy who's naked and climbs trees. Let me.

[Amanda]

There is a guy who's like that. I don't think he's naked. I think he covers up a little bit. But he calls him like modern day Tarzan or something is a specific name.

[Courtney Miller]

Do you live.

[Amanda]

This was a bit ago. And he would like teach you all these like Tarzan moves and he was climbing trees.

[Shane]

I don't.

[Amanda]

I have a weird algorithm.

[Shane]

Okay. No, but that's crazy that you have that.

[Courtney Miller]

That's awesome. I also think the Internet is so big now that it just kind of becomes inside jokes for people.

[Shane]

Totally.

[Courtney Miller]

It's not so much like a big meme that everyone knows about all the time. It's like, oh, no, this is this thing that we watch and that we know.

[Shane]

It's so weird how you'll be on a section of something and something big will happen in that section and that's, that's. But like, nobody else knows about it. Like right now it's not as bad. But you know, I end up sometimes bodybuilding TikTok, you know, I end up in the room. So there's no.

[Amanda]

That's all you want.

[Shane]

There's a guy. There's a guy who I. Literally, all my workouts are his programs. His name is Jeff Nippard. He's.

[Amanda]

He's nippered.

[Courtney Miller]

Uh huh. Yeah, I know, it's weird.

[Amanda]

Nippered.

[Shane]

Okay. He's a great guy. He's really awesome. I love his workouts. I've been following his workouts for years. Anyways, he got assaulted by another bodybuilder.

[Amanda]

What?

[Shane]

Yeah, fully. Fully got assaulted by another guy.

[Courtney Miller]

He didn't mention that in my email subscription.

[Amanda]

Oh, so you follow him too?

[Courtney Miller]

Well, he got me. He got me on it.

[Amanda]

You're both on Nippered.

[Courtney Miller]

I'm not on Nipper right now.

[Amanda]

Well, I gotta get on Nippered.

[Shane]

But.

[Amanda]

And that's my great.

[Shane]

He's great. But this other bodybuilder literally assaulted him. So mean. Like they were both at the same gym because they often work out at these big similar gyms. And he like, I don't know. There's just video of this other bodybuilder walking up and just literally like punching him in the neck.

[Courtney Miller]

Wait, not a sucker punch to the neck?

[Shane]

No, the whole bodybuilding TikTok is like, how dare you do this? Jeff is like the nicest guy. Wait, so Jeff made a video because first, this guy didn't know he was doing beef. First, First. No, Jeff doesn't do beefs. This other guy's on steroids and has.

[Amanda]

Steroids protecting Jeff a little too much.

[Shane]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying, Jeff. So I don't say Jeff Nippered over and over again.

[Amanda]

Okay?

[Shane]

But anyways, this one guy was like, because, Because Jeff Nipper is a natural bodybuilder. He follows science based stuff, right? And there's like a divide because there's people who are like, oh, there's the science behind this. And then there's dudes who are like, no, the key is just to go in and lift as hard as you can. And that's all it's about. You could. Whatever. But anyways, so this one dude, this shitty guy makes a video kind of insulting, like Jeff Nipper and all the science based guys just like, how come you guys are so insignificant and suck and whatever.

[Amanda]

Who.

[Shane]

And so Jeff kind of responded making a video, like kind of critiquing it. And then they happened to be at the same gym one time and this guy literally like kind of comes by, bumps him and like says some shit. And I think he just. Jeff Nippered responded being like, hey, like, what's the deal? What's, what's, what's your problem, man? And he comes back and just literally punch. Oh my. And he punches him and punches him. I think he punched one of them. Is on video of him punching him or like neck punching him.

[Courtney Miller]

That's on video, this hand and say punch.

[Shane]

This is what he Did. That's what he did. He like, he. Mr. Crab, if you're on. If you're on this side of TikTok, you've seen it. But anyways, he does that. He did. Apparently did it again. And then he also shoved his cameraman. No, this is roid rage to a. Whoa.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, clearly that's.

[Shane]

I've seen it myself.

[Courtney Miller]

This man sniffed that. No, I got that salt vitamin thing and ran over and.

[Shane]

Well, it's. Or he just also is pumped of steroids. I've seen it myself at gyms where this was forever ago, but I saw a guy literally come up to another guy and was like, hey, can you like take your weights off of that thing? And the other guy just responded being like, I'll fucking kill you. Like, and I remember just watching it be like, that's what steroids can do to your brain. Whoa. Yeah, that's.

[Amanda]

Meanwhile, my TikTok is like fricking acotar AI. Like, this is what Feyre looked like on chapter one.

[Shane]

This is one corner of TikTok I'm on. I'm also on, like weird other stuff.

[Amanda]

But Jeff, that is okay.

[Shane]

He's okay. He's. And he's. As of right now, he's pressing charges.

[Courtney Miller]

Good, good, good, good, good, good. That's what you're supposed to do. The only F I get on TikTok is this one guy who wears the thinnest leggings that are not meant for working out possible. And he does butt workouts and he like waggles his butt in the beginning of every TikTok. Waggles his butt.

[Shane]

And that's the guy who assaulted Jeff Nipper.

[Courtney Miller]

Dr. No, no, he's kind of juicy with his butt coated. But like. And he's got the biggest peach. And he does butt workouts. And I watch and learn and I learn. I'm learning. I'm learning and researching that to me.

[Amanda]

Just because I want to learn. I want to learn.

[Shane]

I sometimes wonder why I look over and Courtney's looking at her phone and she's sweating profusely just like this.

[Amanda]

That's a big picture. Mine are all. Mine are literally. I don't know what it is. I think my TikTok thinks I'm like a 45 year old mom of four. Because mine are all like, hey, only have five minutes in between taking your kids to school. Let's try this pump workout. And it's always before and afters. And I'm always like, that's awesome. I'll do that. That sounds great. I don't I don't really work out. Like, you guys go to the gym. I do, like, classes. Yeah, I don't do that that often. But my favorite is I have bands at home. My Instagram or TikTok is filled with, like, a lot of band workouts.

[Shane]

Cool.

[Amanda]

All of them are Australian. I don't know why they're like, all right, mate, let's, let's get those bands going. Terrible accent, but, you know, so that's interesting. Mine are never, like, roided out, bro.

[Shane]

No, I, I, I, I, it's, it, it varies. It goes all over the place.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

Some are right and some. Look, I'm not gonna. Some roided out guys on TikTok are cool. They're nice, they're chill.

[Amanda]

Turn.

[Shane]

But some are crazy. And this guy happened to be crazy.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. Of course, the videos with crazy shit like that happening are the ones that go viral. Not like a normal, good, wholesome fitness person.

[Shane]

No, plenty of them are, plenty of them are somehow very wholesome because I talked about him last time or I talked about him when we had Chris Collins here. But there's very famous guy named Sam Sulek who's definitely on steroids, but he's a very chill dude. There's chill, there's most. I'd say a lot of that sphere is very chill, but sometimes it's not.

[Courtney Miller]

How do you counteract steroid rage?

[Shane]

I don't know. Well, the problem is stuff like that book. And a problem is stuff like that is you don't know how your brain is going to react to it.

[Courtney Miller]

True. So that's what scares me about it.

[Shane]

That's why I would never do it, because it's just like. Well, find out.

[Amanda]

Don't. Please don't do it. I can't imagine you not going to do it. Yeah, you don't need it.

[Shane]

No, you don't need it.

[Amanda]

You don't need it.

[Shane]

You're already insane looking.

[Amanda]

You're insane. How much is your, how much is your algorithm? Bodybuilding?

[Shane]

I would, I try to, like, scroll past it. I, I, I like it sometimes because it's like. Oh, like workout tutorials and stuff. I would say it's like 15% right now.

[Amanda]

Whoa.

[Shane]

It's a good amount, but it's, it varies. It comes and goes.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

Problem is that happened and then it was like all over my feed because it was just. That was crazy. But, but this is, yeah, this is still relevant. The reunion just happened. But a lot of Love is blind reactions and, and analysis and also cast members from Love is Blind now making tiktoks. But. Yeah, but that's. There's a character that's. That's an initial character to talk about. Here is Hannah. Did you watch Love is Blind?

[Amanda]

So I. I am, like, seven episodes.

[Shane]

Okay, you're enough.

[Amanda]

I'm in Mexico right now.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, you're in Mexico.

[Amanda]

I'm a little sad because they got rid of the couple that I was like, ooh, this is going to be.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

You got rid of Leo? Why?

[Shane]

Crazy guy.

[Amanda]

He was just like, oh, my God, I love you. I love you so much. You're so beautiful. I love you so much.

[Courtney Miller]

She's.

[Shane]

She's like, leaning back. He's like.

[Amanda]

She's like, I don't believe that you love me. And he's like, no, no, no. I love you. Do you want my jacket? Because you're cold. She's like, I'm not really cold.

[Shane]

You want to make out right now?

[Courtney Miller]

No, that was insane. The producers supposedly were like, yeah, we just don't see them staying engaged or getting married, so we're on the trip. But it's like, bro, Someone posted a TikTok I saw this morning that was literally like, bro. Last season, you let someone who said they looked like Megan Fox go all the way through, and they did not look like Megan Fox. You embarrassed the hell out of them.

[Amanda]

That. That was like.

[Shane]

I think the producers are sick on that show.

[Courtney Miller]

And inconsistency.

[Shane]

I do. I do think they are evil.

[Amanda]

They're not sick enough. Let Leo. Let Leo not go to Miami. Let Leo go with. What's her name?

[Courtney Miller]

Mrs. Her last name is crazy. I don't know why I called her Mrs. Her last name is Crazy.

[Shane]

Like, that show, the way they edit it, the way they, like, perfectly like. I'm like, you're.

[Courtney Miller]

You're.

[Shane]

I don't know. I don't know what to believe anymore because there are. There are okay people on the show, but you kind of sometimes hate everyone.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

You just. Yeah.

[Amanda]

I don't know.

[Shane]

This season is especially bad. There is hardly a good dude on there. The dudes this season, bad.

[Amanda]

Yeah, they seem. They seem.

[Shane]

They're pretty rough.

[Courtney Miller]

Good ones. Like, they're calling him Budget Captain America.

[Shane]

But like. Like. But, like, what? They're getting away. A little bit of a spoiler. But, like, it's like, oh, but this guy's okay. Sure. He texted his ex yesterday. But, like, he's a good guy. It's like the bar is so low.

[Amanda]

That's. That's what Love Is Blind is, though. The Bar is still there. They're like, I can't believe he'd say that. And all he is is like, I love hearing your voice. And they're like. Like, I literally. I couldn't sleep last night. He's like, yeah, I love hearing your voice. It's like all he has to do is repeat the same thing. Yeah, this one. This one didn't. This season of Love is Blind didn't grab me as much. I felt like I was, like, drowning a little bit. I was like, oh, my God. You guys are saying the only one that interested me was Leo. Because I was like, you're psychotic.

[Courtney Miller]

I feel like. I feel like he weirdly looks 19 to me, and I feel like I can smell his testosterone through the screen of just, like, sweaty, like, college kid who's just like, oh, girl.

[Amanda]

Yes, exactly.

[Shane]

This is the thing. So by the time this episode of Smoshmouth is out, the reunion has already happened. And I'm. I've been telling Courtney I'm already mad because there's been so many shitty people this season. Like, horrendously shitty people. And I already know that Vanessa Lachey and Nick Lachey are not going to press them or ask any relevant questions. They're going to just meander around and give people that, like, the grace, and it's going to be the most infuriating reunion ever. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong by now, but I just feel like they're going to be so nice to the worst people.

[Amanda]

Do you think Vanessa got, like, feedback about her last couple of moments?

[Shane]

No, she's been shitty for a couple seasons.

[Amanda]

I love that she showed up in all black leather, shiny leather, and she was like, dun, dun, dun somebody. Like, she was like, nick, I don't care what they say. I'm going out there. And I'm like, ugh.

[Courtney Miller]

I feel like the only person that can give her feedback is Nick Lachey. And I just know that doesn't go the way that it should go.

[Amanda]

Oh, he gets. He gets pushed across the room and gets thrown through a wall. His wall is literally a cutout of his body because he's been thrown so many times.

[Shane]

Fuck. It's Looney Tunes in their house.

[Courtney Miller]

She just shows up. She does show feel like she has, like, don't with me vibes. Like, I. This is my show. Don't.

[Amanda]

That's why I'm like, did she get feedback? And that's how she took it. She's like, I'm going to do what I wanted now.

[Shane]

I don't know, I. Look, there's a lot. There's a lot of people for her to grill if she chooses to. I just feel like she never does. She grills, like, the wrong person. Every single reason grills the person who was.

[Amanda]

Who's, like, honest, who's like, yeah, I. I up. She's like, did you.

[Shane]

It's like when she sees weakness, she latches on.

[Amanda]

Oh, she does.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And that's what this show, like, everything. Every flaw that you have, even if they are, like, insignificant, get put on this, like, huge, like, you know, it's like a jumbotron of your stuff.

[Shane]

So, like, oh, I do feel like.

[Amanda]

After every Love is blind, there's all these new tiktokers that come out. They all try to start their own TikTok, like you were saying. And there is a love is blind TikTok or podcast that started from, like, the first.

[Shane]

Yeah, I think it's deep D. And.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

What is it called? Like, behind the wall or. Everyone always ends up going on there and there's a certain amount of. And then I feel like they all kind of try to launch something on their. Their TikTok.

[Shane]

They all try to. They're all there to become influencers because there's. Hannah is the one this year that quit her job to be there, which.

[Courtney Miller]

Should have been the biggest red flag.

[Amanda]

It's like, you're there, y'all.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

What are you doing, Nick?

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah. So right. That's Hannah.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. You just wait.

[Shane]

You. Maybe I'm wrong. I think Vanessa Lachey is gonna, like, love her. Oh, probably like, you're the best person on the show.

[Courtney Miller]

Post in the comments if we're wrong.

[Shane]

Yeah, let us know. Cuz. Cuz this is what's also been shocking is on tik tok, there are people who have completely different points of view. Like, there's. There were some cast members on Love is blind where I'm like, that's the worst person. And people on tik Tok are like, no, they're actually the best person. I'm like, yeah, I think we should assume with reality TV that everyone's bad.

[Courtney Miller]

I can't wait for you to see the rest.

[Amanda]

I can't wait.

[Shane]

Maybe I'll finish all insane. I. Every season I'm like, I'm not gonna watch this season. And then the first episode gets put on, then I'm hooked. Because it's just. You watch it for the train wreck. I. I don't think anyone. I. I will say this. This is my only firm stance about Love is blind. This season. None of them should be buried.

[Amanda]

Should be buried.

[Courtney Miller]

None of them should be buried.

[Amanda]

None of them.

[Shane]

None of them. None of them should be married.

[Courtney Miller]

Burn them all.

[Shane]

Absolutely nobody should be married. They are all bad for each other.

[Amanda]

One with military experience is awesome.

[Shane]

Every.

[Courtney Miller]

So intense. You're being so intense. I don't know if I agree with that.

[Shane]

Every single season, they go, is love blind? And the answer is no. We've proven it's no.

[Courtney Miller]

There has been success stories.

[Shane]

Look at.

[Courtney Miller]

Listen to this guy. Take a deep breath, bud. You're married.

[Shane]

The show makes me so mad.

[Amanda]

There has been success stories.

[Shane]

There has been success stories this season.

[Amanda]

Because Leo is gone. And all of that was not gonna.

[Courtney Miller]

Be a success story. That was a success for you.

[Amanda]

No, that was. That they literally. All I wanted to do was fast forward through all the cringe parts, and I just wanted to put that in slow motion because I was like, this is the most insane scene I've ever seen. I felt like he, like, was. Had, like, a coach behind the scenes and was like, all right, Leo, this is how you're gonna go in. And he just, like, verbally, like, to all of them.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Okay, another hot take, because I am on. I'm. I'm riled up, right?

[Courtney Miller]

You are riled up.

[Amanda]

Please take one deep breath, please.

[Shane]

Okay. Ready Those listeners and watching. I'm not actually being that serious.

[Amanda]

I actually is. The tension is palpable.

[Shane]

I don't care that much.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God. You can cut the tension with a knife in here.

[Shane]

I do think there are people on these shows, and we talked about this last time with Tommy about being a reality show villain being, like, really hard to nail. I do think there are people who get on these reality shows and are like, I'm going to be, like, a villain. Like, that's their plan. Like, I don't think it's their plan. I don't know how real it is as much as they're like, this is my Persona because I want to become famous and I want to do this, but I'm going to. And they try to nail that, and it's so hard to do.

[Amanda]

See, I always think it's the edit. I think. I think people go on and they're like, here we go. But I think the people who are watching are like, there's our villain. There he is.

[Shane]

You're really right.

[Courtney Miller]

I think it's a mix of the two where, like, people who may come on with ingenuine intentions, and they're like. And if I Get seen as the vil. I don't care. Or when someone comes in with a very, like, self righteous attitude, like one of the latest Perfect Match seasons. There's this dude who was like, they edited so much in his favor according to the other cast of that. Of this show where it's like all previous dating show contestants on Netflix go and do this, like game show competition.

[Amanda]

And wasn't Jessica on it from Love is Blind?

[Courtney Miller]

I think so, yeah.

[Amanda]

The one with her daughter.

[Courtney Miller]

Her daughter.

[Amanda]

She left her daughter at Amber or Summer.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And so like this. But this guy, they go on and they're like, so self righteous and they think what they're doing is right. Like, they genuinely believe what they're doing is right. And then they go home and then they see this edit that they were the complete villain or that everyone on social media is calling them the villain. And then sometimes they just. Then, then they just lean into it.

[Shane]

Yeah, it's true. I wouldn't be surprised with any reality show if I met someone from it and they were the complete opposite of what the show depicted them as. Because editing can do so much. It's something I try to keep in mind. I mean, you fall victim to it of going like, I hate this person. But I also then at the end of the day, I'm like, okay, I know it's. Even though it's reality tv, I have no idea what I'm watching. It's all fake.

[Amanda]

I feel like the show that really does that the most is Survivor. I know you guys don't watch Survivor. I love.

[Shane]

I used to watch a ton of it.

[Amanda]

But they, they literally create villains on that show. And some people now, now that it's been so many seasons. Well done, Jeff. People literally go on and they're like, I'm the villain of the season. But again, it's the edit that chooses.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Because the edit will choose different things that you do. And sometimes when you're an awkward guy, like, there's a really, really awkward guy on right now. His name is Andy. And you literally look at him and you're like, oh, my God, you're that toxic boyfriend who, like, hasn't gotten a girlfriend in a while. Like, he's just so. He's so goofy and toxic and he's like, I'm gonna fool these people. And you're like, dude, they're five steps ahead of you.

[Shane]

It's Andy from the office.

[Amanda]

And then. No, literally. And then the other guy on it is like, Andy, he just, he's so clumsy. And then there's like six different shots of him falling off a boat, falling off a hammock, falling off.

[Shane]

He doesn't sound like a villain. I feel bad for him. He sounds like Mr. Bean.

[Amanda]

No, he's not a villain. He's just one of those where you're like, oh God, you gotta get voted out.

[Courtney Miller]

So on the topic of like villains and whether people lean into it or not, can I bring up one of my first.

[Shane]

Yeah. Who's on your feed right now?

[Courtney Miller]

So it's kind of dipped away recently, but did either of you see any stuff online about this girl with red hair who was getting dragged through the mud for dating her best friend's ex or something? And then how her response to it was like the nastiest thing.

[Shane]

That sounds awesome though.

[Courtney Miller]

So this girl, she's gorgeous, she has red hair on TikTok and she has a bad attitude. And I think that's the main thing is like, so the story is these two girls who are both on TikTok. One girl, I think she's blonde, she had a boyfriend, they broke up. And then very quickly, this red headed creator is seen in photos taken of them with the ex out to dinner, like very immediately after. And the original, the blonde was like, hey, I heard that you were on a date with him. Like, what's up with that? And then this is all on TikTok. Well, this was, that's the personal back and forth that I'm aware of. And then online people are like, ooh, this is happening. We saw the photos and, and this redhead, she, she does this whole video where she's got like, I think she has like a boa on. She just, she's just like very old Hollywood glamour, but she's like a Gen Z.

[Shane]

Little old me, didn't know what I was doing.

[Courtney Miller]

I'm sorry, I didn't know you owned him. He wasn't wearing a collar. And like that. Oh, burn. This always happens. This happened to Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo where it's like there's a guy and there's whether or not there is like real tension or not or like not real tension when there's like, when you can't tell whether there was like.

[Amanda]

Overlap and the guy is always just.

[Courtney Miller]

Like, yeah, the guy is just there. The guy doesn't do anything, doesn't get any flack, anything. And so regardless of what happened, the everyone has been so pissed off at her attitude and how she comes out with these quips that are like, so like Samantha, Sex and the City, like, and it's it's honestly so funny. She posted a video where she's crying and being like, I'm getting death threats and all these things. And it's so funny that you guys think that I would actually cry on TikTok that.

[Shane]

I don't know. I don't. I don't know this person, but that sounds awesome.

[Courtney Miller]

People hate her.

[Amanda]

She's wearing a bo. Come on. People.

[Courtney Miller]

Kind of funny. It's kind of funny. And like, I think obviously, regardless of what happened, like, in these situations, the dude is usually the problem, you know, like that, like, you know what I mean? Like, and I don't know, like, how all of that perfectly resolved, but, like, can I show, like, just a vibe of her? Because she does these types of tiktoks all the time where she's like, hello.

[Shane]

Who is it? Can I just.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, karma. Interesting. Like, that's like her, like.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda]

I slam dunk her so much because.

[Shane]

She doesn't Cruella Deville over here, literally, I. Can I just say I love. Like, I was explaining what my feed is like. My feed is very. Like, it can be. It can get a little bro y. I try not to, but it can. But when I occasionally, somehow TikTok will be like, like, you're gonna want to see this. And it'll be like, some girl and be like, okay. To address what's going on. I'm like, well, I gotta know what's going on now. Like, I'm all in.

[Amanda]

They're like, bro, hold on.

[Shane]

I got served on the other day, and I truly. I didn't get time to dig into this where, like, two different creators. These two women were both talking about how they're. They're. They're. They're ex best friends, and they're telling how they became ex best friends. And I was just like, I'm in. Like, what's going on? I didn't. I haven't followed up, but can I.

[Courtney Miller]

So do you want to, like, guess what a woman like, her name, like, so she's like early 20s vibes. What her name?

[Amanda]

She's early 20s vibes.

[Shane]

Early 20s Natalie.

[Amanda]

No, no, no, no, no. It's probably something French, like Colette.

[Shane]

Colette.

[Courtney Miller]

Her name is Sophia Lacourt.

[Shane]

Sophia.

[Amanda]

How did I know?

[Shane]

Sophia Lacourte.

[Amanda]

It's like, people just want to name their kids after, like, fragrance or, like, something fresh.

[Courtney Miller]

Fragrance.

[Amanda]

Sophia is a gorgeous.

[Shane]

Fragrance is a good name.

[Courtney Miller]

So let me see if I can find.

[Amanda]

No, thank you.

[Shane]

This is my daughter Fragrance.

[Courtney Miller]

I just followed her on accident.

[Shane]

Oh, everyone's gonna know.

[Courtney Miller]

Undo, undo.

[Shane]

And they're gonna hate you.

[Amanda]

They're gonna hate you.

[Courtney Miller]

Let's see if I can get the one.

[Shane]

You followed me. Everyone wants to.

[Courtney Miller]

Can I show her really quick?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, my goodness. Some of you guys are acting like I drop kicked someone's puppy. I went on a date with a guy that was single. I guess the paparazzi cared and was commenting on his ex girlfriend's stuff. Commenting on her post saying that me, Sophie lacourt, was with her phone. His ex girlfriend texts me and says, hi, this is Hallie, because she knows I don't have her number because we're not friends. Oh, I guess they weren't friends. I'm getting DMS that you were on a date with my ex last night. So they weren't even friends. Oh, my gosh. My God, I'm so sorry. I didn't know you owned him. He wasn't wearing a collar. Everyone in the situation was single and there was I.

[Amanda]

First of all, I love the way she talks. It's almost like she's pushing her lips up to a rose petal, but she's not quite touching the rose petal, and so she doesn't want it to fall, so she just keeps it right on the edge of the rose petal.

[Shane]

That's cool.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And she'll make videos where she's watching Get Ready with Me to get Canceled for being a woman. Like, dating, like, it's very.

[Amanda]

I love her.

[Courtney Miller]

I know. It's very interesting where it's like, I think she's not in the wrong, but people just don't like her attitude, you.

[Amanda]

Know, she doesn't give a.

[Shane]

Well, if she truly is dating her best friend's ex, that's not her best friend. They don't even know each other.

[Courtney Miller]

They don't even know.

[Amanda]

They don't even know each other.

[Courtney Miller]

They even have their numbers.

[Shane]

Where did this even start?

[Courtney Miller]

Like, that? They don't even know you. Listen to her, TikTok.

[Shane]

This reminds me, though, of when we're reading Reddit stories and someone is writing a Reddit story where they're in the right, but the way they wrote it makes them an asshole. And it's like, I just don't like you.

[Courtney Miller]

Right?

[Amanda]

She just. She. It feels very sexy. It feels like this old school. She's wearing like a soft, pillowy pink sweater, and she's just like, I don't understand what's going on. And I'm kind of like, dude, she's doing a full character and I do I love her.

[Shane]

Do you think she rehearsed those lines before she says them?

[Courtney Miller]

Yes. I don't know. It might have been edited. But, like, she's. She's always glammed up again because everyone likes to pick on the ginger.

[Amanda]

Her hair is stunning.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, no.

[Shane]

I, I. This is the thing, though. Whenever people do that, I'm like, either you know exactly what you're doing or you need to learn. Like, when you say stuff like that on Tick Tock, what response do you think you're gonna get?

[Amanda]

Yeah, I think she knows exactly what she's doing, which is why, I mean, I haven't watched any of her stuff. I don't know what she's saying, but just from what you showed me, I like her because I'm like, oh, she's meticulous about this. She knows exactly what she's doing.

[Courtney Miller]

And I like her as a character. I probably don't want to know this person in real life or that person.

[Amanda]

If you were like, hey, do you want to come over for my birthday? She's like, oh, look, you're having a birthday again. I stepped in on my heel. And you're like, sophia. Sorry. Sophia lacourt. I'll call you by your full name. Can you just come on in and bring the cake that you brought? She goes, what cake? Oops. Like, because she would be exhausting.

[Courtney Miller]

I wonder how much of it is, like, a Persona, too.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah. She says her full name sounds like it's a character.

[Courtney Miller]

Me, Sophia lacour.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, I should do a character, huh?

[Amanda]

Yeah. Yes. Also, I could see Netflix being like, let's just. We're running out of ideas. Let's just grab Sophia lacourt and do a whole.

[Courtney Miller]

If Sofia lacourt was a character, that character would like. If her and Brianna Boho were in a room, like, if they had a sleepover, Brianna Boho would wake up. And Sofia lacourt shaved Brianna Boho's head. Like, that's what I feel like I envisioned in my head.

[Shane]

Couldn't shave your head.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, no. I didn't realize you owned that hair. I didn't have a collar.

[Amanda]

She also feels very like Riverdale to me.

[Shane]

She just comes across very, like, like 40s.

[Courtney Miller]

Like, no. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Shane]

Trying to do, like, golden era of.

[Courtney Miller]

Hollywood, Sabrina Carpenter style. Like, it's because Sabrina Carpenter is really leaning into this old Hollywood, like, Marilyn, Audrey Hepburn vibe.

[Amanda]

Her last. Her last music video, the Taste with Jenna Ortego was very. Death becomes her, which I love.

[Courtney Miller]

She gets Those old classic references and like everything she does. She's actually one of my other people I brought to talk about today.

[Shane]

I know you're obsessed with her also.

[Amanda]

I know, I know that you do an incredible impression of her.

[Courtney Miller]

No, but no.

[Shane]

Oh, well.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, it's hard because she's just really pretty. She's so pretty.

[Amanda]

Stop. So are you. You're gorgeous.

[Courtney Miller]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Amanda]

Bombshell. Shane's just like. He's like every other guy in these like exes being like, I can't believe he said that. I can't believe he said. And Shane's just that guy right now. God. Nightmare.

[Courtney Miller]

I definitely like in trying to contour and do my makeup like Sabrina Carpenter. That day for the darts video, I gave myself face dysmorphia of like, whoa. My face is not shaped like her face. And it like actually messed me up a little bit. She's like a perfect little. Even her head is shaped like a heart. Like what the fuck?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

She's so perfect. She's so perfect. She's so small.

[Amanda]

She's so small. She's so tiny.

[Courtney Miller]

But I actually am obsessed with. They're like, not just because she's so cute and hehe haha. Like I recorded and deleted a TikTok of wanting to just like rant about why the taste music video or. No, no. The please, please, please music video was so good. I obviously have like Barry Keegan. Yes.

[Shane]

Sort of an evil person.

[Courtney Miller]

I love music videos. I have a passion for them.

[Amanda]

You're very good at directing them.

[Courtney Miller]

I don't really think I've directed a music video.

[Amanda]

Yes, you have. Say basically Anthony's funeral felt like a music video to me. Okay.

[Courtney Miller]

So yeah. But the thing with Sabrina Carpenter's music videos and like the directors that she works with. I'm about to go in. Are you prepped?

[Amanda]

Are you ready? Okay, stay silent. Actually, that's better for you.

[Courtney Miller]

Okay, I'm not talking.

[Amanda]

Feel so bad.

[Courtney Miller]

I just wanted to preface that I'm about to go in.

[Amanda]

Go in.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Amanda]

All right. Get in there. Open the door for us.

[Shane]

We open it up there.

[Courtney Miller]

So the directors that she's working with, you can tell that they have a very good like pre production style where they know exactly what's in what shot and when. And that's one thing. Like when we did submissive and readable, those directors were like that too.

[Amanda]

Where they.

[Courtney Miller]

They would a take would be 0.2 seconds of an audio and they would go. They go action here. Cause I'm all about the okay, cut back. Okay, action. Cause I'm all about the. Okay, cut.

[Amanda]

I knew exactly what they wanted.

[Courtney Miller]

Exactly each shot. And it's like, so clear that hers are like that. That alone is a cool skill. But when you pair that with Sabrina Carpenter, who's such an incredible performer and actress, it's insane to me. Like, it's gotta be such a talent. She's acting so well, but it's also. You have to be acting and please, please, please. That's the guy she's dating. And she's acting while simultaneously fucking lip syncing while, like. And having to do those things. Like, that's gotta be such a. You have to be really locked in. Cause for me, I feel so uncomfortable to be having to do all of these things. Like, I'm trying to look hot. I'm trying to get my wor. I'm trying to have a good performance. Like, it's. It's so impressive. Like, in. In taste, there's such quick shots that are happening and she. You. You could tell she put such incredible performance in just each minuscule shot that just makes such a big, amazing project.

[Amanda]

Like, so I agree she's legit acting in that while also, like, being collaborative with Jenna Ortega, who, like, also has this incredible, like, horror aspect to her. So they're both doing it while, like, making the story really good about death becomes her doing her song looking fly. I was like, where did you guys shoot. This is gorgeous.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, she looks like she's having fun.

[Amanda]

Yeah, she also feels. Yeah, she also feels like she's not like a pop star just coming in and, like, separated from it. She feels very involved.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, it feels like that's what I would kind of define as star quality is like, it feels like she knows exactly how she's coming across on the camera. Like, she. She has exactly the idea of what she's trying to convey, what silhouettes she's creating. And like, yeah, all. Everything. All the delivery is just so good. I like it. It definitely gives me imposter syndrome when I see a music video that I'm like, oh, don't know if I can get there, but I love it. And, like, I can sit and just appreciate something for how amazing it is, but it's so good. Like, I think the funeral music video is still something I'm like, most proud of ever, because it was aesthetically so fun and all the little budget of a.

[Shane]

A microscopic fraction of the budget.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, probably like 1% of the budget. Yeah, probably.

[Amanda]

Yeah. Has a great high budget.

[Courtney Miller]

Yes, she does. And she Deserves it.

[Amanda]

Does she? So does she. She has a TikTok.

[Courtney Miller]

Sabrina. Yeah. Yeah. And it seems like she's got, like, a team who maybe helps her out. But it's like, it's very fun because she'll, like. She'll film a TikTok where someone took her song and, like, edited it. So it's like, the lyrics are all different and weird, but she's, like, perfectly singing along to it. And just, like, she's showing her outfit for the show that night. Like, stupid stuff like that.

[Amanda]

Oh, I saw that. Her red sparkly one. Oh, my God.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Anyways. Hi, Shane. How are you?

[Shane]

Good. How's it going?

[Amanda]

Hope all is well.

[Shane]

Yeah, things are going good.

[Courtney Miller]

Sometimes when we like to sit and show each other funny tiktoks, and I have to go, I like a lot of Sabrina's carpenter's tiktoks that. I'm like, don't look at her. I keep scrolling, scroll past.

[Shane]

And I'm like, I don't care, but I do.

[Amanda]

Wow, that sounds like good stuff. When my husband shows me it is the dumbest videos I've ever seen. He showed me just yesterday. He was crying tears, and he showed me this video, and I was like, okay. It was a kid telling his dad. He's like, I don't know where my balls are. My balls are gone. My balls are missing, dad. And the dad's like, your balls are right there. He's like, no, they literally are gone. They sucked in my body. And he's like, seven or eight. And the dad's like. The dad's like, from Jersey. He's like, go back to the. Go back to the bathroom. Look in the mirror. Your balls are there. And he's like, no, dad, they're gone. And I'm sitting there on my Instagram, like. And Garde's tears streaming, and I go, does that happen often? He goes, yeah, sometimes your balls are just gone. And I was like, awesome. That was a great time.

[Courtney Miller]

Awesome.

[Amanda]

So those are the shit that he sends me. Great.

[Courtney Miller]

We have one video that I feel like is never viral enough. The Replenish video.

[Shane]

Oh, yeah. Replenish is a. That's a. That's a legendary.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, that's one of those where it's kind of like my balls are going. It's like, no, they're there. It's just, like, very, like, family dynamics.

[Shane]

It's this family, and they're having an argument. The parents come upstairs, and they're holding an empty Dr. Pepper soda can box.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And they're just Like. Like, what the fuck, Mikey? You didn't replenish. Like, when you take Dr. Peppers from the. From the fridge, you need to replenish them. And they're having this huge argument, and it's so fucking funny.

[Courtney Miller]

It's like a cousin is staying over.

[Shane]

For the holidays, and he didn't replenish not having it. And the dad eventually calls up, like, his brother, like, the uncle, and he's just like. He's like, hey, so when you. When you take a soda, kids. When your kids. You took a soda out of the fridge, what would you do? And then you hear the uncle on the other line go, well, you. You replenish. And then the uncle goes. Goes, well, I think this is a microcosm of bigger issues. And then the cousin just like, that's it. I'm out of here. It's so funny.

[Amanda]

How old is the cousin?

[Shane]

This is in the 20s.

[Amanda]

Oh, God.

[Courtney Miller]

It's literally like the dad's, like, when we were the kid, when we would go to the basement, get a soda from the fridge, what we do is you replenish.

[Shane]

What the fuck, Danny?

[Amanda]

Doesn't fucking replenish.

[Shane]

It's so good. It's a classic. I. I get served so much of you. You see, when I'm watching these ones, I get served this guy named Caleb Hammer, who is a fighter.

[Amanda]

They're all first.

[Shane]

Yeah, but Caleb Hammer is known. He's a finance guy and he has a podcast.

[Amanda]

Oh, you told me about him.

[Shane]

I. Dude, I brought my glasses because I want to do my impression of him, please. Not even going to show you, Courtney, you know the type.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, so, yeah, you got it.

[Shane]

The people that he. I think he's in Texas, and he brings on people who just are. He brings on people who are horrible at finances and also don't seem to care. Like, people who just put themselves in debt and are just kind of like, yeah, whatever. I don't.

[Amanda]

Cringy.

[Shane]

But he's always losing his mind, and it's like this. Hold on. This is my impression. Okay, so you're in $5,000 of credit card debt. You've got. Okay, you've got a. You're paying 15% interest on your car.

[Amanda]

What are you doing?

[Courtney Miller]

I just. I don't know. I. You don't know.

[Shane]

You don't know your year. You got so much credit card debt. You opened up 10 cards. They're all at $2,000.

[Amanda]

You're paying 30% interest on this.

[Shane]

What are you doing?

[Courtney Miller]

It's more money. I thought when I opened oh, my God. You spit on your shirt.

[Shane]

Oh, my God.

[Courtney Miller]

That was excellent.

[Shane]

Anyone watching who has seen his videos knows that is a one to one impression.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane]

No, we're going back to 22.

[Courtney Miller]

No, we're going back To 2019 of 22, 2051. How are we going back five years?

[Shane]

Did you pay 2022?

[Courtney Miller]

No, I haven't filed 2022.

[Shane]

Oh. Oh, good.

[Amanda]

For.

[Courtney Miller]

I will say, I would not. I would not want to go to a person.

[Amanda]

Wow. That is exactly the confidence of this man. And I love.

[Shane]

He brings on people, though, who are in like $500,000.

[Amanda]

I can't.

[Shane]

And it's not debt. Like, a lot of people have. Are in that debt and they can't help it. He brings on people who are just like, Yeah, I spend $5,000 a day because I want to. And he's just like, what are you doing?

[Amanda]

Does his glasses.

[Shane]

What are you doing?

[Amanda]

Wait. I love this.

[Shane]

He's so funny. And so every time he comes up on my feet, I'm like, what did this person do?

[Amanda]

Yeah, you're addicted.

[Courtney Miller]

I always feel bad. I'm like, why are you yelling at them? They came to you for this.

[Shane]

It's. I know, I feel bad too, but I'm just like, it.

[Amanda]

You know, some people, like, fuck up and they're like, I need someone to just scream at me maybe.

[Shane]

I know, I know, I know most people are in debt because of the way things work, but these specific people that he brings on.

[Courtney Miller]

No, there was one guy didn't even know how much he was paying in, like, rent or his house payment. And he was like, I don't know, like $16,000. They were like, he's like, what?

[Amanda]

He's like, you think you're spending $16,000 a month? Like, how old is he?

[Shane]

He's got to be like, my age. Yeah, he's probably 27.

[Amanda]

He's 27. Who are his parents? I want to cut and see his dad. And his dad's exactly like that.

[Shane]

I wish I could pull up just.

[Courtney Miller]

And the. The craziest thing was, like, one time he brought on this guy who was a kind of a fan of the show, and it went really poorly. Like, this person did not receive any feedback. Well, and then a couple years later, they decided to bring this guy back on. And they're like, hey, like, you've been threatening to harm us. You've been begging us to, like, you would only come on this show again if you could punch me in the face. Like, that's why there's a security guard with a gun behind you. And he's like, well, yeah, well, you just think you know everything. And this person was clearly like, dangerous who he brought back on, who's like, not necessarily well, but like, he was just so unafraid. He's like, yeah, like, come. Like, the first time this person came was to his house is when he was filming at his house. And then he brought this person back to talk to him again and like, try to help him wild again.

[Amanda]

Dude. This is why we love people like that, because they're just so unafraid. They don't give a shit.

[Courtney Miller]

To be unafraid is to be something I do not know about.

[Amanda]

I kind of need to, like, see a clip of him so I can test this impression.

[Shane]

Number one on my list of people is Max. Maxwell the cat.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy. This fucking guy.

[Amanda]

This I, I, this a hole. This is a just a cat.

[Shane]

He's just a cat.

[Courtney Miller]

Pov. You are an a hole cat.

[Amanda]

Is this camera on your cat? Yeah, yeah.

[Shane]

Is this the camera on this cat?

[Courtney Miller]

This guy?

[Amanda]

I might know this cat. He's definitely not number one on mine, but I think that's awesome for you.

[Courtney Miller]

I can't believe he watches it. I, I think I've become a very sens.

[Shane]

Like, okay, it's, it's like watching you had you have La Court, but it's like when a villain pops up on your feed and it's like, I gotta watch this villain.

[Amanda]

Whoa, he just called you out.

[Shane]

This cat.

[Courtney Miller]

I have La Court.

[Shane]

This cat is the biggest villain on my TikTok page. Wow. So this cat, this, the owners put a little camera on his collar, right? And he's an outdoor cat. They let him roam around town. I've seen this cat and this cat, whenever he sees another cat, chases him down. Beats the shit out of them.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And when you say chases them down, chases them down.

[Shane]

And every cat, when they lay a cat, will come around the corner and see him and they'll be like, yeah, they'll run and Maxwell. Max. Yeah, Maxwell the cat.

[Courtney Miller]

Well, that's, he'll chase them to the point of his own exhaustion.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Like.

[Amanda]

Oh, I've seen.

[Shane]

Look at him, look at him, look at him, look at him just coming up on him just like, what are you doing?

[Amanda]

Oh, my.

[Shane]

Dude, it's terrifying. Like, I, I know.

[Amanda]

So I've definitely seen this because this guy stops at nothing. He almost gets run over by other cars.

[Shane]

He'll, he'll do anything to beat up a Cat.

[Courtney Miller]

It's crazy, dude.

[Shane]

It's awesome.

[Amanda]

Maybe it's the parents who raised him.

[Courtney Miller]

Maybe this cat. Maybe this cat takes steroids and maybe they had a little bit of a.

[Amanda]

No, this cat just goes like this to other cats.

[Courtney Miller]

This cat punches a neck like that.

[Shane]

This cat is the thanos of cats. I. Not kidding. Evil cat. But the thing is, occasionally you'll get a TikTok of him with, like, a kitten nearby, and he's being very, very sweet.

[Courtney Miller]

He sucker punches cats like he's sucker punching other cats and, like, catching them always by surprise. It's never. It's never like, uneven duel. That was consented. I mean, what battle is really. I mean, no, no.

[Shane]

It's full wilderness out there, but. But Maxwell is devious.

[Amanda]

Here's mine. So I have a little fun one. I don't know if you guys have seen him. He is called Santa Corky.

[Shane]

Santa Corgi on TikTok.

[Amanda]

I don't know how Santa Corky's gonna last because he literally is just Santa.

[Shane]

Okay.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, it's a Santa. It's not a dog.

[Shane]

It's not a dog. It's a Santa.

[Amanda]

No, no, no. And he has 2.2 million followers. Oh, James knows what I'm talking about.

[Shane]

But it's November. I mean, his time is upon us.

[Amanda]

Okay, well, he's from North Pole Nation. Love that cutie pie. He does a lot of lives. And he's not rude. He's so sweet.

[Shane]

And he clearly Santa.

[Amanda]

He has, like, a wife, kids, nieces, and nephews who film every video of him.

[Shane]

Look at this.

[Amanda]

Look how cute he is.

[Shane]

Oh, that's a perfect Santa right there.

[Amanda]

No, I know he's perfect. And he had one live where he was hoping to get more million followers, and the whole live is him smashing a cake in his face. And there's so many kids. I don't know if there is nieces and nephews just giggling. Just giggling.

[Courtney Miller]

Santa, stop giggling in the audio.

[Amanda]

Yeah, yeah. It's pretty awesome. So this is the kind of thing that I watch. So it sounds.

[Shane]

Yeah, Okay. I don't feel as bad about Maxwell the cat now.

[Amanda]

I'm feeling a little cringed by him at times just because, like, look, he's a lot. Let's play it. Let's talk.

[Shane]

Your husband's like, why are you sweating watching that? Look at that peach.

[Amanda]

No, he just wants followers.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, where's the cake?

[Amanda]

Wait, is this the cake one? Oh, here it is.

[Shane]

Oh. Oh, Santa.

[Courtney Miller]

The elves are laughing.

[Amanda]

Oh. So when I watch this, I can only get through half because everything inside me goes ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. But I, I, you know when you put on Christmas music around Christmas, when.

[Shane]

Did you start getting served Santa?

[Amanda]

A while ago.

[Shane]

You've been watching Santa all year?

[Amanda]

No, not all year.

[Shane]

He's got work to do.

[Amanda]

A while ago. Here's the thing. My, my algorithm is so weird. It's like Acotar AI. It's weird women.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah, it's.

[Amanda]

It's weird women being like, hello, I'm getting dressed up for the holidays. And I've already looked and Tommy has sent it to me because him and I enjoy older women on TikTok who have five followers.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

So he's been sent to me and it's like a love hate. So you're guys, you guys, like, I.

[Courtney Miller]

Got some of those. Yeah.

[Amanda]

He's like so cringed for me, but I want him to do well.

[Shane]

Sure.

[Amanda]

I want him to survive.

[Shane]

Of course.

[Amanda]

You know, it's like when you watch, you listen to Christmas music and you're like, I can't believe I'm doing this, but here we go. Michael Buble, where have you been? Oh, it's Christmas, you're back. And it's kind of like that, except Santa.

[Shane]

I, it's kind of crazy to me. It was on when I was on so random. I met one for the first time. But like, like there are Santa. I met a Santa actor. I met a Santa actor. And they are. It's a real career. No, I know they. And they do it year round. I remember talking to them a bunch and being like, so what's your year like? And they're like, well, during most of the years when you're shooting commercials and stuff, because that, that's what they do.

[Amanda]

They're called in for commercials all the time.

[Shane]

In springtime, you're shooting commercials and things that'll air at Christmas time. And then Christmas is when you're doing the like live circuit.

[Courtney Miller]

Wow.

[Shane]

Of. Of in person events and stuff. And I was like, I didn't realize. And some Santas though, that Santa's really good.

[Amanda]

This one is like tick tock profess.

[Shane]

Because, like, you know, most actors and stuff, I'm like, hey, I don't want to judge off looks or anything like you're Santa passing. But when it comes to Santas, I see some Santas and I, I become like the old evil Hollywood manager in my head and I'm just like, I'm like, you don't got what it takes. You don't got the look you're not Santa.

[Amanda]

That's incredible. Is that a cigar in your hand?

[Shane]

No, but. But you see, you see some Santas and I'm. I'm like. I'm like, oh my God, Santa, we gotta sign you. You're a star.

[Amanda]

Jesus Christ. He's like Miracle on 34th.

[Shane]

Yeah, he's a classic Santa. He's gotta put a bottle of Coke in that guy's hand.

[Amanda]

Oh my God. I love those. See, this is why I watch it, because I'm like nostalgic.

[Courtney Miller]

No, when a Santa puts a Coke in his hand, I'm like, what?

[Amanda]

Go.

[Courtney Miller]

When it's the glass, the glass coat.

[Shane]

Settle, settle down, honey. Oh yeah.

[Amanda]

Fucking Coke.

[Courtney Miller]

Sarah, Coca Cola.

[Amanda]

Bring that polar bear and let's go down that fucking. Oh no.

[Courtney Miller]

It's so cold around him. It's freezing. Santa. The steam coming from his breath. He's got the.

[Amanda]

Shane, you can go. You can go, Shane, go. Because we are having. We are opening a glass bottle of Coca Cola and we're sliding down a a mountain with polar bears that aren't going extinct. Not in this world anyways. I knew that he would bring up some good memories.

[Shane]

Oh my God.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, you have one.

[Amanda]

Okay, I have a quick one and then I'm. I have a lot, but I'm. This is this. This one's the only.

[Shane]

I have a Christmas related one.

[Amanda]

Once you're done, maybe you should just do that.

[Shane]

Okay, do.

[Amanda]

Do the Christmas related one.

[Shane]

Okay. You got Santa. See, this is the thing. It's November. People talk about Mariah Carey getting unfrozen around this time.

[Amanda]

Oh, she's. No, no, I think she's on her way out.

[Shane]

Well, her, but.

[Amanda]

But for sure, for sure. Totally cool.

[Shane]

There is someone more important to me around Christmas time now. And Courtney, you know Courtney, you know, his name is Anouk and he is. He is the embodiment of Christmas for me now.

[Courtney Miller]

Yep, yep.

[Shane]

This guy is incredible. He's a tiktoker. He sings. He sings all sorts of songs.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Courtney Miller]

He's a beautiful man.

[Shane]

He's gor a million filters on. I have a photo of him I obviously can't play.

[Courtney Miller]

He's got contacts on. He's got.

[Amanda]

Whoa.

[Shane]

This is. This is him. This is him. This is what he looks like in his videos. He looks like this too. He's always got that smile. He's always got a little bit of a smile, a little bit of a smirk.

[Courtney Miller]

English is not his first language.

[Shane]

I see blue eyes. I don't think he speaks any English. I'll Be completely honest. But that's kind of the beauty is that in his music, you're like, oh, the lyrics don't even matter. But he has one that is his best, and it's. It's the Christmas song. It's chestnuts roasting over an open fire.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Shane]

Now, I have listened to it so much that my impression of him is the only time I think I can actually sing. And it starts like this. It starts off with the beautiful music.

[Amanda]

Here we go.

[Shane]

And you should pull it. You can just look up. Look up Church Nuts on TikTok. And you'll find it. And he'll just be like, Chirstnut rotting on an open fire. Wow. It's like that and it's gorgeous. And he's gorgeous nipping at you.

[Amanda]

No, I love him.

[Shane]

Jack Frost nipping at your nose. It's. It's. It's incredible.

[Amanda]

Dude, I want this. Do you ever do live?

[Shane]

Incredible. Oh, yes. He does do lives and he does lives.

[Courtney Miller]

And he'll duet with other people to do karaoke. And there are other people are always so bad. They're always so bad.

[Shane]

And he's like, like, no. His two best performances are Ch Nuts and as well as Careless Whisper. He crushes Michael.

[Amanda]

Careless Whisper.

[Shane]

Yeah, he crushes it. No. Anuk is top three Tik Tocker.

[Amanda]

I will be following Anuk.

[Shane]

Oh. Absolute legend.

[Amanda]

Where is he from?

[Shane]

No idea.

[Amanda]

Awesome.

[Shane]

And you know what? I'd rather keep him bathed in mystery.

[Amanda]

Whoa. You'd rather keep him bathed.

[Shane]

Bathed in mystery.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

Yeah, that's.

[Amanda]

You thought I was crazy about Santa going down a mountain with a Coca Cola. You've got a nook bathed.

[Shane]

That's right.

[Amanda]

With Church Nuts.

[Shane]

That's right.

[Amanda]

Holy shit.

[Shane]

He's the best.

[Amanda]

I knew it. Christmas is just brings out all these weird.

[Shane]

Hold on. I want to see if I can. If I look up Church Nuts, will I just get the original chestnut? Should be on everyone's. No. Whoa.

[Courtney Miller]

This is why you're an idiot for not having chestnuts. Rosie. Out of a fire on your media playlist this year.

[Amanda]

Whoa. Let me see him.

[Shane]

Tell me I didn't nail that earlier.

[Amanda]

I love him. Tell me I didn't. Why?

[Courtney Miller]

He's amazing.

[Amanda]

Stunning.

[Shane]

He is. There's an argument to be made that he might be an angel.

[Amanda]

Kissed by an angel. My God.

[Shane]

I just love. He has such a fan base on TikTok that at one point in, like, March, I did an impression of him and it got like 2 million views and people were like, oh, my God. Church Nuts. I Was like, everybody knows. Like, everybody knows the glory of a nook.

[Amanda]

I can't.

[Shane]

I hope I'm pronouncing that right, but. Well, I love.

[Amanda]

Never know.

[Shane]

I love him.

[Amanda]

I'm gonna follow him.

[Courtney Miller]

Lovely. He is lovely.

[Shane]

I hope he's. I. I hope he doesn't get canceled or something. I would be devastated.

[Courtney Miller]

I feel like he's too busy with his craft to do anything.

[Amanda]

Busy with all the filters and the eye contact.

[Shane]

Gorgeous music.

[Courtney Miller]

He's working really hard.

[Shane]

I'm never gonna dance. Okay. Like. Like, that's. You know, it's just.

[Amanda]

I can't wait. I'm gonna follow him.

[Shane]

You're about to have the best time.

[Amanda]

I mean, I already do. I've got Santa smashing his face with cake.

[Courtney Miller]

We have.

[Amanda]

We.

[Courtney Miller]

So we have one. One Christmas decoration that's in our, like, little stores.

[Amanda]

Whoa.

[Courtney Miller]

And it looks like a little radio mic, kind of like this, but it's like the 50s one. And you can record and play stuff, like, back and, like, leave messages for people as they go by. But I think we've left it for two entire years in a row. It hasn't changed.

[Shane]

And it speeds up, so whatever you put in it, it warped.

[Courtney Miller]

Speeds it up for a long time.

[Shane]

So you'll be like. Like, hey, how's it going? You'll be like, huh? How's it going? Like, whatever. So. But you press it right now, it goes. Goes church. Not throw thing on.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. And we've left it as. That. We haven't touched it because we used to, like, leave funny, like, inside jokes or whatever as we pass through. But then the last two years, we've just kept your smile.

[Shane]

It's. It's the heart of Christmas. I wish. If he dropped an album. If he dropped an album, I'd be first.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, my God. Get it out of the vinyl right now.

[Amanda]

Wait, why doesn't he drop an album?

[Shane]

Maybe he does. I need to check.

[Courtney Miller]

He needs to make a cover album.

[Amanda]

Oh, just message him. Him.

[Courtney Miller]

We should message him on.

[Amanda]

Like, wait.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, my God.

[Amanda]

You should message him. Wait, if we got him on, you said he has a bunch of filters on. What is he gonna look like?

[Shane]

What if he looks exactly like he's like. What if he literally shows up and he's just got that aura?

[Courtney Miller]

I. I feel he would.

[Amanda]

I feel like if he didn't, you would be crushed.

[Shane]

I'd be devastated. I don't know if I can meet him.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Courtney Miller]

Do you think if Tommy Wiso started in la, like, in the era of Tik Tok, what do you think? Like, I think that would have been do. Well, do you think Tommy so would be huge right now, like, without all the other stuff.

[Amanda]

Not nice to women, though.

[Shane]

I think he would just be. I think he would just be another guy. There's like a million Tommy Wiseaus on TikTok every day.

[Courtney Miller]

Did you read the book the Disaster Artist?

[Amanda]

No.

[Courtney Miller]

Oh, my gosh. She got it because. Did you. Did you watch the movie?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Courtney Miller]

Okay. The movie is a third of the book.

[Amanda]

The book is written by him.

[Courtney Miller]

No, the book is written by the friend. The younger guy who, like, stars in the movie as well. He writes this book about how he. When he first came to la, and it's like, how he met this guy and, like, what it was like, just, like, dealing with him on a daily basis while, like, it would cut between, like, their life in LA and then it would go back to. Okay, so now we're back on set and it's been like six months of filming and all this horrible stuff. You gotta read it. It's so good.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Courtney Miller]

It's so good.

[Shane]

Before we move on, Amanda, there is someone who is very famous in these past couple months that I feel like you would love.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

Are you aware of the pickle Man? So I feel like this. Okay. Some people in this room know the pickle man. No, no, no. This isn't. This is like that. This is like that. This is these past couple months. So there was the Renaissance Fair in. In New York. The. And I. Apparently it's a pretty big one.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Shane]

And there's a guy there, so there's always a pickle stand at Renaissance Fairs. Pickles are a big deal.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Shane]

Yeah. So the pickle man at the New York Renaissance Fair became a celebrity.

[Amanda]

What?

[Shane]

Because he just was dedicated to his craft. Here I have a video. It's my most recent liked. This is his vibe. I will pickle you with this. Yeah, this is his vibe. So much.

[Courtney Miller]

Much.

[Amanda]

That bag is too small for that pickle.

[Courtney Miller]

He's doing the most. When you order a pickle, prepare yourself.

[Amanda]

His voice.

[Courtney Miller]

Clear your mind.

[Shane]

Yes.

[Amanda]

He's also 15, I think.

[Shane]

I think he's an adult.

[Amanda]

I don't know what this is.

[Courtney Miller]

This is actually Leo from Love is Blind.

[Shane]

And then he.

[Amanda]

Oh, my God, he looks. Leo.

[Shane]

Look at that. I realize. I realize rock music is in the background of that song.

[Courtney Miller]

What a noob. What a noob. Waste.

[Amanda]

But he looks like Leo from Love is Blind.

[Shane]

But yes, he just. He's. He. He just puts so much effort and he's Got the. The voice that you can't believe.

[Amanda]

He does that to every single person.

[Shane]

He'll rap. What he does is he wraps the pickle and he does this thing where he's like. He's like. And then he. And then he holds it up and he's like, I bless this pickle. And then all the things good and pickled, like, he just goes all in, dude. And people have, like, there's, like, a line. There's a huge line to get a pickle from him.

[Amanda]

What if there wasn't TikTok or Instagram? Finding these gorgeous characters, gorgeous people, honestly.

[Courtney Miller]

That makes it more special.

[Shane]

I love it. I. There is no celebrity as good as, like, the. The. These small, little special stars that we get from TikTok. Like, this guy at this location who does this one thing, and he does it better than anyone in the world.

[Amanda]

I love that.

[Shane]

Like, that's the best.

[Amanda]

That makes me want to go to Ren Fair.

[Shane]

Have you. You've never been, right?

[Amanda]

I been to Ren Fair when I was a kid.

[Courtney Miller]

Okay, well, now that you're an adult and you've just read all of Acotar, we're going.

[Shane]

Amanda, you would love the renaissance.

[Courtney Miller]

And we're gonna dress you up.

[Shane]

Everyone's a character.

[Amanda]

What? A fairy?

[Courtney Miller]

Dude, Lizzie, there's fairies everywhere. James, they are professional renaissance goers.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

So I'm gonna be a fairy.

[Courtney Miller]

I kind of want to be a jester next.

[Shane]

You will.

[Amanda]

Actually, can I be honest about Acotar is I don't relate to any of the women in it. I relate to Cassian. Is that wrong?

[Courtney Miller]

I don't think that's my friend reading.

[Amanda]

It was like, dude, you are so Cassian. And I was like, what? Honestly, I thought the same thing.

[Courtney Miller]

Honestly, I see it. I see it because you're so comfortable and you've been through some shit, and everything's sex and horny. That's a man.

[Amanda]

Exactly. Cassian is like a siphon fucking hot war person who loves his brothers and just, you know, tames the wild lady.

[Courtney Miller]

I don't me. And I just know everyone casts those. The people in those books as, like, these young TikTok boys. Like, but I see them all as, like, older. I see him. I see Cassian being played by, like.

[Amanda]

Javier Rodem or something crazy. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. He know I love playing.

[Courtney Miller]

I like, I love casting those books in my head. Up until recently, I was like, oh, Blake Lively could be Morrigan. But not anymore.

[Amanda]

It ends with us. It ends with Cassian Yeah, exactly. So I could dress up as Cassian and no one would bat an eye.

[Shane]

I don't think so. You could dress up as whatever at the Renaissance Fair and nobody's gonna get it.

[Courtney Miller]

People dress up as stormtroopers.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Why people do anything.

[Courtney Miller]

Because it's the Ren Faire babies. Whatever you want.

[Shane]

The Ren Faire is okay. Truly the weirdest thing you'll ever go to. It's where a bunch of nerds go to get super trashed and play games. You will see the drunkest. You'll see the drunkest person you've ever seen in your life. There. And they're dressed as a monk.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

They got drinking Trappist beers.

[Courtney Miller]

They got a goat horn.

[Amanda]

I love that.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

How have I missed out?

[Courtney Miller]

Joust. There's a queen.

[Shane]

You're gonna love it. Well, it's in a few months, so we'll go.

[Amanda]

Okay, great.

[Shane]

Yeah. Anyways, I love talking about guys.

[Amanda]

We always. I think we have to do, like, a part three of this because we have two parts of this. If you haven't seen the first one.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Are these people for real? Go back and watch it.

[Shane]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Because there's always so many amazing characters.

[Courtney Miller]

Yeah. I didn't even get to get into my animal psychic that I follow.

[Shane]

You have an animal psychic that you follow?

[Courtney Miller]

I follow animal psychic.

[Amanda]

You don't know about that.

[Shane]

I didn't get into. I didn't get into magic grandpa.

[Amanda]

I didn't get into a lot of.

[Shane]

There's a magic grandpa. I follow the guy. He's an old grandpa, British grandpa who does magic tricks. And I. I don't think I get asmr. But sometimes when I watch his stuff, I'm entranced. And he just very quietly, just like. Okay, so what we have here, three cups, and we're gonna put the ball in this cup.

[Amanda]

Has anybody fall asleep?

[Courtney Miller]

The guy that live streams like he's in black and white and is actually in the 40s. Like, it fully looks like you're looking into the 40s.

[Shane]

Live streamers on TikTok are another thing.

[Amanda]

Well, we need a part three ASAP.

[Shane]

Too many characters out there.

[Courtney Miller]

Too many characters.

[Amanda]

Well, thank you, Courtney, for being incredible and being here with us today.

[Courtney Miller]

Thanks for letting me be here. Thanks for yelling at us as a tax person.

[Shane]

What are you doing? Oh, my God.

[Amanda]

Guys. Yeah. Follow that guy. And don't get your taxes.

[Courtney Miller]

Get your money. Right.

[Amanda]

What? What? Go vote.

[Courtney Miller]

Vote.

[Shane]

Yeah, go vote.

[Courtney Miller]

Do your taxes. All right.

[Shane]

Bye.

[Amanda]

Bye.

[Shane]

Love.