#7 - The Dumbest Conspiracy Theories w/ Noah Grossman

Summary

Smosh Mouth Episode #7: The Dumbest Conspiracy Theories with Noah Grossman

Release Date: August 7, 2023

Hosts:

• Shayne Topp
• Amanda Lehan-Canto
• Guest: Noah Grossman

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1. Introduction and Guest Introduction (00:24 - 01:20)

The episode kicks off with Shayne Topp and Amanda Lehan-Canto introducing their guest, Noah Grossman. The trio sets a casual and humorous tone right from the start, playfully engaging in banter about the show's name, "Smosh Mouth."

Notable Quote:

• Noah Grossman (01:15): "I love it. I wanted to tell you when we started, but I think you need a mint because you got a little smosh mouth right now."

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2. Origins of the Hosts' Friendship (01:27 - 04:00)

Shayne delves into the history of his friendship with Noah, revealing they've known each other since Noah was twelve and Shayne eighteen. They reminisce about their days in an improv class, highlighting the early dynamics of their relationship.

Notable Quotes:

• Shayne Topp (03:02): "It's shorter than Danny DeVito."
• Noah Grossman (04:00): "I just can't handle it."

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3. Personal Traits and Making Friends (04:00 - 11:00)

Noah is described as exceptionally friendly and open, often making new friends wherever he goes. Shane appreciates Noah's genuine nature, noting how effortlessly Noah connects with people, even strangers.

Notable Quotes:

• Shayne Topp (11:11): "No. So, Noah, I feel like who I see you as here, I think you're like one of the nicest people."
• Noah Grossman (11:36): "I just feel like this is the coolest guy I know."

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4. Stereotyping and the Conspiracy Persona (08:42 - 10:54)

Shayne brings up how Noah has been unfairly stereotyped at Smosh as the "stoner conspiracy guy," largely due to Noah's genuine interest in conspiracy theories and his laid-back demeanor.

Notable Quotes:

• Shayne Topp (08:56): "Somewhere along the way, a little, a little, a little. Somewhere along the way, we put you into this box of, like, you're the stoner conspiracy guy."
• Noah Grossman (09:18): "I used to spend a lot of the time just talking with the head writer and just hanging out with everyone."

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5. Delving into Conspiracy Theories (10:44 - 35:10)

The conversation shifts to the core topic: conspiracy theories. The hosts discuss the proliferation of conspiracies in the digital age, emphasizing how social media platforms like Twitter, Reddit, and TikTok amplify these theories, making them more mainstream and, in some cases, dangerous.

Notable Quotes:

• Shayne Topp (25:00): "The reason I think it's unfair that you have been pinpointed as the conspiracy guy is because for a long time, and, I mean, I still... I was deep into conspiracy theories."
• Noah Grossman (35:11): "They're making people do things and they've gotten a lot of it."

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6. Impact of Social Media on Conspiracies (27:10 - 35:10)

Shayne and Noah discuss how the internet serves as a breeding ground for conspiracy theories, comparing it to watching biased true crime documentaries. They highlight the lack of critical thinking among users who often take information at face value without verifying sources.

Notable Quotes:

• Amanda Lehan-Canto (27:05): "Because if you're truly trying to prove something right, you're going to try to prove yourself wrong."
• Shayne Topp (29:55): "But without acting out anything. There's nothing wrong with being like, yeah, of course."

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7. Examples of Conspiracies Discussed (35:10 - 52:54)

The trio explores various conspiracy theories, ranging from the harmless (Bigfoot) to more harmful ones (Flat Earth, Avril Lavigne's death). They critique the logic and evidence (or lack thereof) behind these theories, often debunking them with humor and skepticism.

Notable Quotes:

• Shayne Topp (31:07): "I think Bigfoot's probably my favorite conspiracy because it has no ramifications upon society whatsoever."
• Amanda Lehan-Canto (40:58): "So why is she having me look at the Atlantic Ocean on it?"

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8. Noah's Encounter with the Freemasons (50:57 - 61:39)

Noah shares a personal anecdote about his visit to a Freemason Lodge in Vermont, which he won a trip to on "The Price is Right." His experience was filled with skepticism and humor as he navigated the secretive and outdated environment of the lodge.

Notable Quotes:

• Noah Grossman (53:12): "Cause I saw on half the room was different artifacts that look similar. And I was like, oh, what are those?"
• Shayne Topp (54:50): "Do you remember me?"

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9. Insights and Conclusions on Conspiracy Theories (61:00 - 62:00)

Wrapping up the discussion, Shayne emphasizes the importance of skepticism and critical thinking when encountering conspiracy theories. They acknowledge that while some conspiracies are harmless fun, others can lead to real-world harm and division.

Notable Quotes:

• Shayne Topp (35:10): "The problem also nowadays with the Internet is you try to do your own research, but they're all conspiracy theories."
• Noah Grossman (46:53): "I've been hustled for cigarettes in Hollywood."

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10. Closing Remarks (62:00)

The episode concludes with the hosts teasing future content and maintaining their signature humor, leaving listeners anticipating the next episode.

Notable Quotes:

• Shayne Topp (61:54): "That's Smoshmouth. Deal with it."

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Key Takeaways

• Social Media's Role: Platforms like Twitter and Reddit significantly contribute to the spread and normalization of conspiracy theories.

• Psychological Aspect: Conspiracy theories often stem from a desire for control and understanding in an increasingly complex world.

• Critical Thinking: Emphasizing the importance of skepticism and verifying sources to combat misinformation.

• Personal Experiences: Noah's story about visiting the Freemasons illustrates how encounters with real-life "secretive" organizations can influence one's perspective on conspiracies.

Conclusion

Episode #7 of Smosh Mouth offers a candid and humorous exploration of conspiracy theories, blending personal anecdotes with broader societal observations. Through engaging dialogue and relatable humor, Shayne, Amanda, and Noah dissect the allure and dangers of conspiracies in the digital age, encouraging listeners to stay curious yet critical.

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For more insightful and entertaining discussions, stay tuned to future episodes of Smosh Mouth!

Transcript

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[Shane Topp]

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[Amandalee Handcanto]

And I'm Amandalee Handcanto. And we're here with Noah Grossman.

[Noah Grossman]

Hi. Is that a smash mouth?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I think we're gonna try out Smosh Mouth.

[Shane Topp]

We're allowed to do whatever we want.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah. There's no parents.

[Shane Topp]

No one's telling us what to do. I mean, they could tell us what to do, but they're like, they could shut it down. Ian and Anthony are like, you know what, man? Just say whatever.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

They never said that.

[Shane Topp]

They pulled us into a meeting room. They were both smoking cigars and they went, you know what, you kids, you kids do whatever you want.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Say whatever. So, Smoshmouth. Love it?

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, sure. Why not?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Let's do it.

[Shane Topp]

You like it?

[Noah Grossman]

I love it. I wanted to tell you when we started, but I think you need a mint because you got a little smosh mouth right now.

[Shane Topp]

Do I?

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah. I think you've been talking for all day. I'm totally lying. Oh, boy. Disney.

[Shane Topp]

Damn. Hard. No, it's so cool to have you here. I don't know if a lot of people know this. I think people know this. That I've known you longer than anyone else here at Smosh.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah, I didn't know that until you told me the other day That's I've known. 12 years old.

[Shane Topp]

He was 12 when I met him. I was 18.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, I think. I think. Yeah, I think you had just turned 18. Something like that.

[Shane Topp]

I was a teenager. Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

What was Noah like?

[Shane Topp]

What?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

From Shane's eyes. And what was Shane like from your eyes?

[Shane Topp]

So I still vividly remember. So this was in an improv class that I'd been going to for a couple years or about a year or so at that point. And it was a teen class, so I was one of the older people in the class. And Noah had just gotten like, bumped up from the kids class to that one. Right.

[Noah Grossman]

I actually just joined that one. I wasn't in the kids class.

[Shane Topp]

You were just, you just joined that theater in childhood.

[Noah Grossman]

I just randomly joined.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, but there was like kids.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, they did do kids theater. So like original written plays, which is actually one of the coolest things to see.

[Shane Topp]

It was really fun. But we were so. I remember your first time in this class. You're 12 years old. You are at this point very short. You were like the tiniest kid in the class. That's what's so funny is it was kind of like it wasn't a joke. But I just remember being like you were so small for.

[Noah Grossman]

I think I might have been four, seven.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. Very, very short.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That's shorter than Shakira.

[Noah Grossman]

Is that how you measure things?

[Shane Topp]

That's shorter than Danny DeVito.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I think. I think Shakira's four'eleven do you just.

[Noah Grossman]

Keep that in your pocket?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yep.

[Noah Grossman]

That's how you measure like when you're like, oh, how long do I need this curtain rod?

[Shane Topp]

This is several Shakiras.

[Noah Grossman]

Wow.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yep.

[Noah Grossman]

Where are they?

[Shane Topp]

They lost at sea. There's several Shakiras out. There are millions of Shakiras out at ocean. But I remember the first scene you did in my memory. Your voice was the exact same. Same at 12 in my memory. It's probably not true. That's just probably how I remember it. You did a sketch where you were asking a girl to prom or you were showing up to pick up a girl from prom. And there was one line that you said that friggin killed me. Where you were like, you were like, yeah, if you get hungry, I have these almonds that I brought. I'm allergic but I'll work through it. And I remember being like, that is so funny. You were really, you were a killer. Like you would say you said insane shit for a 12 year old.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

He still remembers that.

[Noah Grossman]

That's so funny. Thank you. I just remember anytime we did like a show, like I'm so bad at improv shows. Cuz I just, I get so anxious. I just can't handle it.

[Shane Topp]

I think in your head it's, it's bad but you would, you would deliver incredible lines.

[Noah Grossman]

And it's.

[Shane Topp]

It was funny at that time. It was really funny because you're 12 years old, you look younger and you're saying wild crazy stuff.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

What was Shane like?

[Noah Grossman]

Did Shane you know this? So in the improv class I ended up bringing like three, four of my other friends involved in it over the years. But Shane was like the coolest fucking guy on the planet. Like I'VE told him this a million times. He was literally like the coolest fucking guy. Like, I'm 12. This fucking dude who like wears cool leather jackets.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

He's got like black leather jackets to an end.

[Shane Topp]

I have one. We can get into the jackets in a second.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Did you ride a motorcycle or was that just for.

[Shane Topp]

I'll explain the jackets in a second. But no, I want.

[Noah Grossman]

He was just cool. That's just it. He was cool. He looked like he was off the OC but not in a bad way. Not in a way that it was.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Like, you do look like the guy.

[Noah Grossman]

From the OC but it's not like the hair down. It's like the hair up. You know what I mean? So it's cooler. It's actually cooler. You know what?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Convincing me, I guess.

[Noah Grossman]

And I was easily like, this is the coolest guy I know. He's hilarious. I just like.

[Shane Topp]

Meanwhile, I was not.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

You're just like, your mom's like.

[Shane Topp]

I was cool. I think I was cool in that improv class because I just. That was a place where I would go to just have fun and, you know, cuz during the week I'm trying to be an actor. Not doing so hot most of the time. And then I'd go to this improv class with a bunch of teens, a lot of whom weren't actors. They were just there to just have fun. And I would just go there and have a blast. And so in that place, I was in my element, which is. Maybe that explains it. But the jackets explain the jacket though. So look, not to get too real, I was very insecure about my body for a long time. So I would wear jackets year round, even in the heat.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Whoa.

[Shane Topp]

I remember, I remember I had a different jacket, like all the time. Originally I had this. It was. God, it was so 2008. It was this. It looked like a blazer, but it was made out of a very stretchy material, so it's very tight. And I would wear this like blazer thing with the sleeves rolled up like a black.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So hot.

[Shane Topp]

All this wasn't so. That wasn't so bad. But then I moved on to a like Robert Pats, Robert Pattinson type of like black, like almost military type, like, cotton coat that I would wear. It had a bunch of pockets on it. And I would wear that year round. And then I moved on to a green leather jacket that had a fake. Like it had a hood attached to the inside of it. And that one I wore for a really long time. I still own that one.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I'LL wear it.

[Shane Topp]

Maybe I'll wear it in one of the next.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Please wear it.

[Noah Grossman]

That'd be great.

[Shane Topp]

I'll wear it in a couple weeks.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That was like your safety blanket.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, I can wear it on one of these episodes, but. So I would wear that.

[Noah Grossman]

I would wear it.

[Shane Topp]

I would wear it year round and even in the Heat. Even whatever. Cause I was just so, like, I don't wanna. Like, I wanna.

[Noah Grossman]

I remember learning that jacket was fake because I got one similar to it, like, two years later. Like two years later. I gotta get that one on. That red one was later when I joined Smosh. But before that, it was a similar. It was like a Levi's, like brown leather, but inside it had, like this gray part. So it looked like you were wearing two things. Yeah, that's when I learned that was very cool.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Did you do it because of Shane?

[Noah Grossman]

You know, I think, to be fully honest, in every male actor's life, they need some sort of leather jacket to fit a role.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Same with a female. Like, they want the photos of the girl with a leather jacket and a black tank top looking like she has a gun. Or she just has a gun.

[Noah Grossman]

Right. Like you're in Castle or something.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah. It's like, all right, we need, like, a Law and Order pic. I'm like, what? What?

[Shane Topp]

That makes sense.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So, yeah.

[Shane Topp]

I also think it was very 2000. This is like 2010 to 2013. The, like, fake inner lining things were very common.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Or the sweatshirt jacket mix.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. The fashion was just nuts. You also had a period of time, probably a little bit before that, where you had the fake T shirt, short sleeve shirt over long sleeve shirt.

[Noah Grossman]

Oh, that's coming back.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I loved that look.

[Shane Topp]

I can't believe that's coming back. That's better. I don't think I'm a fan. I loved that look. I did it a lot. I did it a lot. I gotta admit.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That was my story.

[Shane Topp]

But I don't want it to come back.

[Noah Grossman]

Dude, it's the Frankie Muniz. That's what that is. That's the Malcolm in the Middle right there.

[Shane Topp]

It's just everyone back then, that was the thing. So I wanted to talk about because I. Noah, I feel like at Smosh, you over the years have been stereotyped, I think unfairly.

[Noah Grossman]

A little bit.

[Shane Topp]

You. You. We've. I don't know, somewhere along the way, a little. A little. A little. Somewhere along the way, we put you into this box of, like, you're the stoner conspiracy guy. And that's like the only joke that's often said.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah, you played Shaggy in Scooby Doo.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Really nailed that coffin.

[Shane Topp]

We're always gonna do that. And I. What's funny is I don't think it's that accurate. Like, I. I think, no, I don't think that's the role that I see you playing behind the scenes.

[Noah Grossman]

To be fully honest, it is my fault, okay. Because I am a bit of a stoner and I do like conspiracy theories.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Okay, so he is exactly that.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah. And unfortunately, I think the root of it is I used to spend a lot of the time just talking with the head writer and just hanging out with everyone. And like, the only things that I would talk about is like the random shit that I would read online the night before. And like, it's like 2015, 2016. And like, nobody in mainstream. I'm saying, like, nobody in mainstream. But like the whole QAnon shit going on, I was here being like, guys, I need to tell you about this weird ass shit that's happening and no one understands it. So I'm like trying to explain it to them. And I think that's the root of it. And then once that stuff became mainstream, I think then they connected it all and we're like, oh, so. And it's like, no, no, no. I'm here telling you, like, this is what crazy people are doing, right? It's from entertainment.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Once they hook on to something, I mean, they still think I'm like a mom with five children that don't know how to play a board game.

[Shane Topp]

So.

[Noah Grossman]

Wow.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That's my biggest thing aside.

[Noah Grossman]

When did you have the fifth.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Good luck.

[Noah Grossman]

Sorry.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Good luck, Amanda. Figuring out how to play this board game and Mom, Mom. And I'm like, I probably did that to myself.

[Shane Topp]

It's kind of. It's also similar to people thinking that I'm the loudest person when in most social settings, I'm not very loud.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

No, no.

[Shane Topp]

I'm actually very quiet. I am very shy.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Well, it's our characters that we're like.

[Shane Topp]

But it is. And it is part of us. Like, we're not denying that these are aspects of us, but they're not the whole thing.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

No. So we want to highlight this. Let's talk about the smaller conspiracy theory.

[Shane Topp]

So I did. I did. Actually something I've wanted to do since we started this podcast again is. Is talking about the dumbest conspiracy theory we've ever seen. So we can get into that in a little bit. But I first wanted to say, like, Noah, I feel like who I see you as here, I think you're like one of the nicest people. And I think your overarching trait that I see is you're someone who will become friends with anyone.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

And a really funny thing that I've noticed over the years, and it's specific also to you and Keith is whenever we have to go work somewhere, like we work at a convention or something and we're working over a weekend, I'll meet up with you guys. And you guys always have a new friend. Yeah, you guys will always be like hanging out. You'll be hanging out with like some 6 foot 9 Norwegian man and you'll be like. You'll be like, oh yeah, this is disco. And he'll be like, what's up, man? And I'm like, hey, how's it going?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

He came here on a ship.

[Shane Topp]

We met Disco five hours ago. And he's our best friend. Okay.

[Noah Grossman]

But yeah, Vidcon this year was super fun. We met this super cool guy, Jordan. Last name starts with a P. But he's a musician. I don't remember his last name, but he was a cool guy that we met. But yeah, Keith and I just like to like, meet random people sometimes in passing. I just.

[Shane Topp]

I just feel like any person you meet, you're down to be their friend.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, Yeah, I definitely like their friend.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

But like, you're very curious about, like, what's going on with them. You want to know, like, how they tick.

[Noah Grossman]

I don't mind sharing space with people if that makes sense.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

It does.

[Noah Grossman]

If I want to talk to someone. Yeah, I'd love to like, get to know you more, but honestly, I don't.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I feel very similar to that. I. My mom called me a New Yorker the other day. She was like, God, you've gotten become such a New Yorker. Because when I go out in public, sometimes I don't want to actually talk to people. I think because I've got. I like, I don't have enough introverted time that sometimes I'm like, I just want to get this coffee and go. But like, I used to be way more like, hey, how are you talking to strangers? And my mom was like, you're such a New Yorker, so maybe I need to like, embrace the.

[Noah Grossman]

I don't know.

[Shane Topp]

I feel like, Noah, you would never turn down a conversation if you were walking down the street and someone was just like, hey, can I talk to you real quick? You'd be like, yeah, man, sure.

[Noah Grossman]

To my detriment. Almost every time. Now I have to stop. I'VE been hustled for cigarettes that way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, what? I've been hustled for cigarettes in Hollywood. This was when Rogue One was coming out. So I was standing, watching them build the Millennium Falcon in Hollywood, just enjoying my time. I dropped off two of my friends. You know, one of our friends, Kefra, I dropped him off. And another friend, they were going to a gay club, and I was gonna enjoy them just to have fun. But we had fake IDs from the same state and the same address, so it wasn't gonna work out. So only one of us. And I was like, oh, obviously, let the two gay guys go to the gay club. I'll just walk around Hollywood. And so while they're having fun, I'm just walking around. Oh, look, the Millennium Falcon. So I'm leaning over like, oh, this is so cool. Watching them build it. And all of a sudden someone's just like, hey, yeah, you. Hey, you. My dumb ass turns around, who turns around? Right?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I would just walk away.

[Noah Grossman]

I had to learn that. That's literally. Keith has told me multiple times he leaves me. I love Keith places because I turn around. Like, he has tried to instill it in me.

[Shane Topp]

I can totally picture Keith being upset about it.

[Noah Grossman]

Oh, he'll just walk. He'll just walk anywhere.

[Shane Topp]

Keith is very good at being like, I'm not doing this.

[Noah Grossman]

He's like, no, no.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So how did he hustle you for cigarettes?

[Shane Topp]

Well.

[Noah Grossman]

Cause I turned around and there's like a six, eight homeless guy.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Six, eight.

[Noah Grossman]

He is huge. And maybe he's standing on the curb and I'm off the curb. All I know is I'm looking up and the street light's blacked out. It's like, I am like, I can't even make out his face. And I'm like, behind me is the railing and the Millennium Falcon. And he's like, you look like the guy who's gonna buy me cigarettes. Straight up.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

He didn't really hustle. He just straight up came out with the question.

[Noah Grossman]

Okay, well, what am I gonna say?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I'm not that guy.

[Noah Grossman]

No.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

What?

[Noah Grossman]

No.

[Shane Topp]

You looked at him and you went, how'd you know?

[Noah Grossman]

I literally said, yes, I am. And I walked in. Cause the liquor store's right there, too. I didn't realize. He's, like, outside the liquor store. Like, it's a 5ft transaction. Yes, I am. Like, it is right there. I told him, yes, I am. And I walked my ass in there. I bought him the cigarettes. And he did try to get, like, a Soda or some extra shit. And I looked at him, I said, I'm buying the cigarettes. And I, like, that was it. And then I just continued walking down Hollywood, because that's what it is. Like, I lost.

[Shane Topp]

I lost. Did he say thank you?

[Noah Grossman]

If he did, it was silent. It was quiet. He, like, mumbled it. You know, he didn't want anyone to know that he was thankful.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So now. Now I know that all I have to do is go up to you and ask for things. And you go, yes, I would.

[Noah Grossman]

I think you would.

[Shane Topp]

I think you actually would do just. Just about anything.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Why do you think that? Why do you think that you would just immediately go for it? Cause you're like, yes, this is what human beings do.

[Noah Grossman]

No, that one is just the easiest way out of a situation. Damian explained something similar that happened to me. Cause he was laughing about something, mentioning like, oh, that sometimes because of some of his diagnoses, that he can't always tell when, as a kid, he was being bullied or can't tell in certain social situations. And I was like, oh, you know, like, just relating a little bit. Just being like, oh, yeah. You know, I don't necessarily know if I've ever been bullied, but I've definitely been in situations where, like, obviously, a transaction took place. And he was like, what does that mean? And I, like, I was like, well.

[Shane Topp]

This time I was robbed.

[Noah Grossman]

Well, essentially. But, like, so there was in. When I was in sixth grade, again, very, very tiny. There was a kid who was in eighth grade, and he might have even been held back. And, like, I'm gonna be honest. This is really how I viewed this kid. I was like, oh, his name's, like, Luna. He's a little off. Like, he wears glasses that are a little wonky. He wears the same pair of cargo capris every day. And he likes to be really loud and try to bully kids and push them and try to make really crude jokes. And it's like, okay, you're an eighth grader. Why are you in the PE Period with the other sixth graders? You're a lot older than everyone, got a lot of facial hair, and you smell like a man. He was 45 years old, it looked like, essentially. But he would come down the rows, and he would just be, like, talking to people and stuff. And then at a certain point, I think one day I had, like, a Pop Tart with me, and he was like, can I have some Pop Tart? Like, I'm hungry. So I was like, oh, okay.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yes, I am.

[Noah Grossman]

Yes, I am. And then after that, he started asking me for a dollar. And, like, back in middle school, I used to sell pieces of my lunches because I didn't always eat it all. So, like, I'd sell my sandwich or then I'd sell the grapes.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Your body needed that.

[Noah Grossman]

Listen, we'll talk about that later. But I had just, like, ones, like. Like, on any day of the week. I probably had anywhere from like, 12 to, like, $24 in ones in my wallet.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Damn.

[Noah Grossman]

From just selling my lunches.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Holy shit, you're a hustler.

[Noah Grossman]

Well, I would give him a dollar, like, every day. Every other day. And I really, like. And I know this is why Damon was like, I think you were being bullied. And I'm like, maybe. But the way that I process me being bullied is like. Like, I really was giving this person two levels of charity. And I know this is so fucked up. Cause I don't know their life, but one, I was letting them get away with just, like, being, like, a mean, stinky bully so that, like, they didn't have to look like a bitch in front of everyone. And also, like, I was letting them eat. And I know that's so messed up, but that's really how I viewed it. And, like, when Damon broke it down to me that he was like, I think you were, like, bullied. And I was like, oh. I think, like, from their perspective, I think they thought that they were, like, fully bullying me.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

But you were bullying them.

[Noah Grossman]

But from my perspective, I was, like, giving them the GR of, like, the stage they needed to feel better today. Like, I know that's so fucked, but maybe that's how I, like, process being bullied.

[Shane Topp]

I kind of love that they meet you later on in life and they're like, you were patronizing me the entire time, weren't you?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Holy crap. I thought I was bullying you. You were bullying me in a weird way.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, in a really weird way. I still lost the money every day. So, like, it was a transaction every day.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That's a lot of money.

[Noah Grossman]

Every other day. Something like that. Yeah. Probably like $3 a week. Three to five dollars a week.

[Shane Topp]

That's a lot of money when you're in middle school.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah.

[Noah Grossman]

That would give them two Pop Tarts a day, if you think about it. That's how I thought about it.

[Shane Topp]

I can relate.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So cheap.

[Shane Topp]

I can relate because in seventh grade, I never really. I don't think I was ever bullied in my. And once again, in my mind, I think if I was, I didn't recognize It.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Right.

[Shane Topp]

Because I think I'm someone that if someone like, roasted me or said a joke about me, I wouldn't think of like, I'm being bullied, just laughing. I just gotta be like. Cause there was one time that I look back on, I go, oh, I was absolutely being bullied. And they were upset that I didn't take it as bullying. It was. Everyone was lined up to go into pe, the seventh and the eighth graders, and there was this like, group of like the 8th grade bros who were. They weren't like bullies. We didn't. As far as I know, we didn't have an extreme bullying issue at the school. But these were the dudes who would probably do it the most. They're the ones wearing all the, like, dirt biking gear all day.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Those are the guys I dated.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. They're wearing the fox. They're wearing the fox. Ha. Yep.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That long jean shorts with big black sneakers.

[Shane Topp]

Yep.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Fuck, yeah.

[Shane Topp]

That was. That was the cool crowd in Arizona and. But there was one time where I forget, like I was saying something or something happened where they started doing this like, kind of like rap rhyme thing, making fun of me. And it was like something like drives an Impala, sucks on like, whatever. You know what, you know where it's getting at.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Kind of sucks on a dick.

[Shane Topp]

It wasn't that, but it was something. But like their going mama titty. They're. They're doing this like rap rhyme at me and I'm laughing my ass off because I think it's really funny. And then at a certain point they stop and they go, why are you laughing? And I'm like, it's really funny. And I think everyone else started laughing then too, because they're like, wait, this is. That's ridiculous. And it's. Look, I wonder, I don't know if they've seen Smosh, where I'm like, I get roasted for a living now. Yeah, but, but. And I've embraced it and it's hilarious. But that was my first experience of really, like, okay, that was deliberate. They were trying to embarrass me in front of everyone. Yeah, but I don't care. Yeah, that's funny.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I don't think I've gotten. I can't tell if I've gotten bullied or not. I definitely was like, very curvy, like, developed in like sixth grade, you were six feet tall. In fourth grade, I was more like followed around and like, you know, bullied in that sense.

[Shane Topp]

I remember in one of the Reddit stories that we did, I Think you. It was. Was it you and Spencer. Spencer acknowledged once that, like, preteen and teenage girls towards each other can be devastating. The way they bully each other can be awful. I feel like dudes. Dudes are awful. But it's a much more, like, frankly dangerous. Like, it's like, what are they gonna physically do to me?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Weirdly, I didn't. I didn't feel like. The women can be so nasty, but I didn't feel were nasty to me. I thought it was the boys. They were. So they would just make fun of me, but then they would follow me around, and then they would have competitions to, like, see who can, like, get me first. There was, like, I was dating the dirt biker guy who I was, like, so into, and then I was kind of seeing someone else while we were, like, broken up and there was a fight in the hallway. It was like, kind of more like a dude thing. But the ladies, maybe I was just not aware. I don't know, though. Women can be kind of at that age.

[Shane Topp]

I think everyone when they're a teenager has the potential to be super.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think. But I also had. I remember I had sisters. Like, I had at least a sister in one school with me. So my sister was like, don't fuck with my younger sister.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, that helps.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Like, my sisters went to war for me.

[Shane Topp]

So it was like, that's super.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I had. I felt like I was always guarded, but, like, you never date someone in your sister's grade. That is like, an unwritten rule. And, like, if there were any guys in my sister's grade who wanted to date me, she was like, do not fucking touch my sister. And I was the same. If they were like, oh, my God, your older sister. And I was like, okay, well, she's not available to you guys.

[Shane Topp]

Do not.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So I, like, had. I had, like, protection. I had, like, a barricade.

[Shane Topp]

Was that the same for you, Noah?

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, with my older brothers. Yeah. When I was a freshman in high school, my brother was a senior. And when my. Because I've got two older brothers. And so when that middle brother was in eighth grade, my oldest brother was in. Was a senior.

[Shane Topp]

So that's super helpful.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah. So because I remember my middle brother was bullied a little bit in. In middle school and high school, and they didn't know that. My oldest brother is, like, really skinny, but just the thought of a senior coming and beat them up was enough.

[Shane Topp]

And it's also. But it's also the network of like.

[Noah Grossman]

Oh, yeah, because if he's not gonna beat him up. He knows some of them.

[Shane Topp]

He might have friends who are.

[Noah Grossman]

And there's some idiot who's a senior who will take $20.

[Shane Topp]

And I feel like seniors are just bored.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

At that point. And they're just down for that.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

They're ready to just like, go.

[Shane Topp]

See, I. I didn't go to high school, so I. Oh, right. I was in the actor crowd, which there. There was bullying. There absolutely was. But it was a very different thing. And I've talked about this before, but what's devastating about being a child actor, being a teenage actor, is the cool kids have a legitimacy. That sucks. It's like, oh, that guy, he's on Zoe 101. He's a regular. He's famous, and he's rich in our minds, I don't think they were as rich as we ever think they are. But it was like, oh, of course he's cool. He's got a career. And I'm trying to be an actor. All of us. So all of us are like, well, he made it and we suck and we're losers. And as opposed to in high school, it's like, who. What determines you're on the football?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Car. It's like, oh, my God, that bro has a car and he has tinted windows and he's got a fucking sound system.

[Noah Grossman]

And there was a sub in the truck.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I was like, are his parents out of town this weekend? Fuck yeah. Does he have a tinted window car? Like, I remember my friend Matt would pick me up and you could hear him a mile away.

[Noah Grossman]

Oh, did he have like a modified.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

He had like a sound system in his fucking big ass car with tinted windows. My mom was like, matt's on his way. I was like, yep. And you'd go in, you couldn't hear a word that he was saying. Couldn't hear a word that he was saying. And I mean, it was just so fucking loud. But like, that equated to cool. And he had a house where his parents would go out all the time. That's mattered to us. Because normally I think that makes sense.

[Shane Topp]

That makes sense.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah, that's. That's. Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Dang.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

So.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So anyways, we got a background of our point of views of life and our background.

[Shane Topp]

So that's who we are. But now here's.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

But now who you really are.

[Shane Topp]

Now who you really are. But. But it boils down to that you're a stoner conspiracy theorist. So Amanda and I were talking this past week and we were like, we have been Talking about wanting to do conspiracy theory stuff on here and talking about it, but also talking about the dumbest shit we've been seeing. I think maybe that's very specific to me. When I'm surfing Twitter and Reddit and TikTok, I get served a lot of conspiracy stuff, but it's so bad nowadays.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

And the thing that. The reason I think it's unfair that you have been pinpointed as the conspiracy guy is because for a long time, and, I mean, I still. I would say I'm entertained, but when I was a teenager and in my early 20s, I was. I was deep into conspiracy theories, mostly about, like, aliens and, like, supernatural stuff. I never cared as much about government conspiracy theories or, like, you know, the JFK stuff or the Princess of the.

[Noah Grossman]

You ever go into holy War?

[Shane Topp]

No, I don't even know what that is.

[Noah Grossman]

Well, it's all tied together. All of them are tied together.

[Shane Topp]

But I feel like somewhere around, like, 2015, 2016, and you were probably calling it with, like, it's the rise of QAnon and everything, conspiracies got really lame, and they've gotten really, really messed up in a lot of ways, obviously, and.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

People really, really believe them. Because I feel like social media just spreads these conspiracy theories like wildfire. And to be honest, it's the same as if you're watching, like, a true crime documentary. You watch it, you're like, wow, did you know that this happened? It's like, yeah, but did you know who wrote that documentary? It's biased. Like, remember Fyre Festival? Like, yeah, like, I remember there was two documentaries about Fyre Festival, and it was like, okay, but which one is written by the people who put on Fyre Festival? Like, so it's like, you. You really have to. You have to dig to do your research, but when you're online, you don't do that. You just look and you go, whoa.

[Shane Topp]

But the problem also nowadays with the Internet is you try to do your own research, but they're.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

They're all conspiracy theories.

[Shane Topp]

Like, that's why at this point, I'm like, you got to kind of be skeptical of everything, because the more you absolutely believe something, that I do think there's a danger to it. That's. That's my own personal belief. I can't tell people how to live. But what's sad is I feel like conspiracy theories are bigger than ever, but in my mind, they're lamer than ever.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

Back. Back when I was big into it, like, it was not. It was not on the mainstream. And I would find these forums and stuff, but it was always about aliens. And I loved alien stuff. And it was like, here's these sightings and here's. Here's what this craft is like and here's how they're hiding among us. And I'm like, that's cool. Because it's just purely like, there are aliens out there and we know that they visited us. I dabbled. I didn't care too much. But I love cryptid stuff, like Bigfoot and Loch Ness and things like that. I love that. I'm like that monster.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

But dude, I'm telling you, growing up, my dad was so into all of this. He still is. But like, even when we were kids or like we would go to this island every summer to vacation and every night he would talk about Bigfoot, but he talked about the Greys. Ever heard of the Grays?

[Shane Topp]

Yes. Tell us about the Grays.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

My dad and you should probably sit down.

[Noah Grossman]

I would love to just talk with him.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

My dad is. And the way he talks about it. Cause he went to Brown. He's a computer engineer. He's like a Science. He watches YouTube videos on Quantum physics for fun. At the beach.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

At the beach.

[Noah Grossman]

He's. He's in the certain cusp of like research shows there's like certain points of susceptibility. He is at one specific point, which is the highly educated group.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Highly educated. And I love listening to him. Like my dad and I, we have such a fun relationship. But growing up, he talked about the Grays, which are aliens on Earth who disguise themselves.

[Noah Grossman]

I only know what other people say. And everyone says a little extra addition to me.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So we would be sitting on the island in like a little house and we'd sit and it's all dark. And he'd be like, look for the eyes of the Grays. So his idea was like Grays would like walk Earth to like check out what everyone's doing, what's going on, what the new technology is. But they would be like kind of masked as like things that we would recognize.

[Noah Grossman]

Uh huh.

[Shane Topp]

Why is that lamp walking around? They're not gonna know I'm here.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I would go to bed and my imagination was already like always going. But I grew up in like a very. Cause my. Both my parents grew. Met in a psych ward. They weren't going there. They were there teaching. And that place is now closed down so kids could go scare themselves on the East Coast.

[Shane Topp]

Fun.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

It's called Dever, but so I grew up with all of this, like, otherworldly stuff. But the grays, I'll never forget because I was always like looking out for grays. And then on top of it, we had an au pair. We had au pair. I wouldn't call them au pairs. There were 19 year olds from Norway who would watch us because my parents would work all the time.

[Noah Grossman]

What's an au pair?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Au pair is like a live in nanny.

[Noah Grossman]

Oh, oh, okay.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

But they weren't a live in nanny. They were just 19 year olds who wanted to be in America. And my mom took them in and they took care of us. But they had their own version of the grays. But they were fucking trolls.

[Shane Topp]

That's awesome.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

They were like Norwegian trolls. So they always said, like, if you were doing something, you know, kind of bad, if you were walking in the forest, turn down, turn around quickly. And you would find trolls, like hiding behind trees watching you.

[Shane Topp]

Awful.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So I grew up with the old Norwegian trolls, the fucking Greys. So I'm walking around this curse.

[Noah Grossman]

Bigfoot.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Oh, my sister's obsessed with Bigfoot. She's like, they're real. Hey's real. You gotta find him.

[Shane Topp]

And I was like, okay, is Bigfoot just one or. It's not just one guy.

[Noah Grossman]

No, it's a deer.

[Shane Topp]

It's a bunch of deer. There's a bunch of them. There are tons of, of giant primates in America. Is that what she believes?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I think that's what she believes. I think it's also. She doesn't fully like, like live and die by Bigfoot. I think it's like a fun thing. But she's definitely tried to like, look for Bigfoot.

[Shane Topp]

Bigfoot's a very fun conspiracy. That's my. It's. I would say Bigfoot's probably my favorite conspiracy because it has no ramifications upon society whatsoever.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

He's just.

[Shane Topp]

All you're saying is there are gorillas in America. That's all you're saying. And I kind of love it.

[Noah Grossman]

Like, I think your sister, I think that's co for doing mushrooms in the forest. Like, I think you gotta ask a little deeper. She's like, oh, yeah, we're go hunt for Bigfoot this weekend.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

No, my sister, like, doesn't even like drugs. She genuinely, I think because she was around my dad so much that you go around my dad, you're like, I feel like I'm tripping. And my dad does not do drugs.

[Noah Grossman]

He's just.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

What did you think Greys were?

[Noah Grossman]

Greys are that. Yeah, they're like aliens. So there's like a bunch of different types of aliens that people mention.

[Shane Topp]

What the.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Maybe Yayels. Yayels.

[Shane Topp]

Okay, so clearly Noah is not the conspiracy person. Amanda is the conspiracy person.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I just, I just, I'm just a listener. I just listen.

[Shane Topp]

I love this shit. I remember in regards to Bigfoot, I do have family who over the years, this is forever ago, but over the years been very fascinated in conspiracy theories. And one time I was camping up in the woods in the mountains in Colorado with a bunch of family and it was late at night and we're all around the campfire and one of my relatives is talking about Bigfoot and all these Bigfoot stories that he's heard. Which is the coolest place to talk about Bigfoot. It's also the worst place to talk about Bigfoot. But. And look, I am, I am not an expert. I am also not saying this stuff is real. I am just telling you what he was telling me then. And he was talking about how he's like, yeah, there's a story of this woman, she got out of her tent and there was a Bigfoot with like an adolescence like a child Bigfoot near, nearby.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

And they both are making baby little Bigfoot.

[Shane Topp]

A little Bigfoot. And they both like backed away into the. Into the woods like that. They are very camouflaged and something that he's like. And you know, people say like well if there's Bigfoot all over, how come we haven't found remains? And he's like when do people come across bear remains? And I was like oh, that's a good point. Yeah. Because. Because stuff doesn't last that long in the woods.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That's how conspiracy theories.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah. They like throw something to you that's like I've never thought about that.

[Shane Topp]

But like I think the problem is.

[Noah Grossman]

How often do I find a deer carcasser.

[Shane Topp]

That's true. Like you don't come across like carcasses get eaten so fast that yeah, evidence might be hard.

[Noah Grossman]

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[Shane Topp]

Void where prohibited by law 21 plus, terms and conditions apply issue with conspiracy theories. And I'm going to say this now before we delve into them further.

[Noah Grossman]

Is that so fun?

[Shane Topp]

Is that. And what's fun about it is the same reason why I also don't actively believe in them too intensely is that you'll find yourself listing a bunch of things to prove yourself right. And you'll go, oh, but this, this clearly proves it. And what about this but the scientific method. And like, if you're truly trying to prove something right, you're going to try to prove yourself wrong. And you're going to look at. Try to, like, look at the justifications of why. Okay, but if this is true, then this should also be true. And we're not seeing that. And you can have so much fun improving yourself right all the time and looking at all these. But isn't that weird? And isn't that weird? Yeah, but it's like, there's a lot of weird things. And ultimately. And there. This is like us. If I ever go and get my doctorate or master's in psychology, this is the psychology book I want to write, because I think this is what we're seeing with conspiracy theories, I think are now getting very dangerous nowadays. Yeah, they're very bad.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

They're making people do things and they've.

[Shane Topp]

Gotten dumber and they're getting dumber and dumber. Yeah, because aliens is cool. Because it's like, yeah, there's a whole universe out there. We don't know a lot of stuff.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Exactly.

[Shane Topp]

But it's now getting to where people are like, you know, flat earth has made its way.

[Noah Grossman]

Well, you know, there are children in the basement in New York at a.

[Shane Topp]

It's getting really, really dangerous. And there's a lot of. Lot of bigotry tied in with it, a ton of it. But I would write this book, this would be my, like, thesis. And it's called the Wisdom of Stupidity. And the point is that we are all stupid. We're all stupider than we realize because there's just too much shit in the world for us to be smart on everything. But because we have the Internet, everyone thinks they're really smart about.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Everyone thinks they know everything.

[Shane Topp]

And that's so dangerous. And it's okay to acknowledge that we're human and that we're stupid. But where I see so many conspiracy theories come from is go. Is people going, this doesn't make sense to me. Therefore, there must be something weird about this. Like, it doesn't make sense to you because you're stupid on that thing. And that's okay. I am. I don't understand how the world is designed. I'm not a scientist. Yeah. So, yeah, if I walked out and I go, it looks flat. It's clearly to me like, this must be. And it's like, no, that's because I don't understand it. And that's okay. That's okay.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Because aliens know what's actually happening.

[Noah Grossman]

Right. They get it, but they're actively molding the curve.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah. I feel like that's the magic. I just think people get so scared of not being in control that they need to know. So they need to really, like, websleuth it. They need to come up with all these things to explain things. I get it. I do the same thing. But at a certain point you have to sit back and go, this is just magic. This is just aliens. I'm just kidding.

[Noah Grossman]

Aliens are just magic.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. And look, I'm very open minded and I still to this day, I. And the problem is I actively want aliens to be real. And I have to also acknowledge that and recognize that I'm biased and that if I see a video of something weird, I'm gonna be like, my brain is gonna be like, man, that might be aliens. That, that they're. They're out there.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

And I want to believe it, but I'm also like, there's an infinite amount of shit I don't understand and know. So there's also probably weird stuff out there and happening around us that we haven't even comprehended. There's probably stuff that's weirder than aliens.

[Noah Grossman]

But we just don't.

[Shane Topp]

We just don't. We haven't even popped the question, do you know what I mean?

[Noah Grossman]

Real life is always weirder than aliens. That's what the one thing that I love to do whenever I talk about conspiracy theories with anyone, because I'm always interested in it because it's super fun. Literally, it's fun to talk about aliens. Even if I think what you're saying is like, ridiculous. It's so much more interesting. People are like, oh, how do we build the pyramids if it's not aliens? It is so much more interesting to say, what if a whole bunch of people straight up figured out how to move hundreds of thousands of tons of limestone and underneath the limestone is like marble or whatever material that is so much more complex and difficult to do than an alien coming and just beaming something. Like, you are missing the awe inspiring intelligence and majesty that is humans.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah.

[Noah Grossman]

Like you're missing where you come from. Because they are as smart, if not smarter than you, because look what they did. And all you could think was, oh, they had to have an alien.

[Shane Topp]

It's impossible. It's impossible that they did that.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

It's like humans have done crazy shit. Like, it's possible.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

It's, it's totally possible. But I think people get really upset when they can't control how something is done. So they have to make up, you know, ways to kind of control. I'm literally the same. I'm like, why did that happen to me? And you come up with all these things and you're like, oh, maybe because I did this, I did this. But in general, some things just don't make sense.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

And I think the accepting part is really hard.

[Shane Topp]

It's, it's getting bad though. And it's getting bad in obviously the dangerous ways, as I said, where, where people are justifying reasons to hate people or going, oh, these people are actually evil. It's like you're basing it off of nothing other than probably just inside you already didn't like them.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

So you're finding justifications and you're, you're finding all the reasons that. Yes. And you're finding like minded people.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Witch hunts. I hate witch hunts.

[Shane Topp]

But yeah, I'm also seeing really dumb ones scientifically. And you know, flat earth has been around a long time, but I'm seeing ones that I'm like, that are making flat Earth look real good. I saw a lady. This went kind of viral. And granted, like, Twitter is a place where all of the most insane people congregate, but there was a woman who took a photo of the sun and she was saying, she was like, I'm telling you, the sun looks different now than it did 30 years ago. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Maybe it does.

[Shane Topp]

And in that same thread, she was also talking about how I forget what it's called. It's sun gazing. That sun gazing is good at you. Good for you. Looking directly at the sun.

[Noah Grossman]

Oh, of course.

[Shane Topp]

And I'm like, you've really gotten here where you're trying to convince people and you've convinced yourself that staring directly at the sun is good for you. Where did you come up with that? Like, what, what is that? You know that that's not good. You can test that theory by looking at the sun and it hurts immediately.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Now she has a platform. Rather than just telling her family at like a party, now she has a platform that people can listen to and people like, my mom believes that, but I still haven't yet seen it. She fully believes it that when the sun goes down over the ocean, that right when it goes down, you see a green flash. Is. Have you guys heard this? My mom fully believes that you see a green flash when the sun sets.

[Shane Topp]

I mean, I suppose that could be a real thing of just light.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Have searched every sunset. I'm like, green flash, green flash.

[Shane Topp]

Someone over here is nodding. Brandon's nodding.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Is it a real thing?

[Noah Grossman]

It's a phenomenon.

[Shane Topp]

Happens in, like, the Pacific. Okay, so it's a real thing.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So why is she having me look at the Atlantic Ocean on it?

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. Okay, that doesn't sound that crazy.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Look for the green flash.

[Shane Topp]

That's not that crazy.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I know, but when you.

[Shane Topp]

That's like the Northern lights.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

When you grow up with my mother and father, you'll be like, what?

[Noah Grossman]

Is anything real?

[Shane Topp]

They've also gotten insane. And I see it happen, like, with the Avril Lavigne conspiracy theory that she's dead. That she's dead and someone's replaced her. And I've been thinking about that one a lot. So I'm like, the world, some secret organization, decided. It's like. And look, I love Avril Lavigne. Big Avril Lavigne skater boy. But. But celebrities, like all humans, sometimes pass away. But the concept that when Avril. If in this conspiracy theory, Avril Lavigne passed away and some organization or something was like, no, the world needs to believe that Avril Lavigne is still around. Even though she's not making as much.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Music anymore, she still irons her hair straight.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah. It's like, wait, why specifically?

[Noah Grossman]

She's a spy now.

[Shane Topp]

But once you start throwing it out there, people just start pointing all these connections and stuff. It's like, yeah, you can prove anything.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

It's telephone.

[Shane Topp]

It is a game of telephone. And I witness it with us here at Smosh as well. And people just sometimes. Oftentimes it comes from a misunderstanding. Sometimes people just straight up lie, and people just love to lie on the Internet. It's crazy. There was one comment I saw, and I've seen many iterations of this, but someone was like, yeah, no, I'm pretty sure that Damian and Shane confirmed that they've been in a relationship before together. And I was like, you're just saying that.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, they're just saying. You're just saying that.

[Shane Topp]

Anyone who sees that comment. Oh, they confirmed it. Okay. So, yeah, Shane and Damien dated at one point.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

And I'm like, you just they created.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

It, and people believe it. And then what happens is people watch the videos like, they thought me and Angela were fighting forever, and they interpreted away. Oh, my God, look at her face. It's like when you go on Instagram and you. They zoom in on a conference of celebrities, and the celebrity's, like, doing this, and they're like, oh, my God, she was so mad at her. You know what a Harry Styles spit.

[Noah Grossman]

I hate when other people do that. I do, but I'm gonna say it. I am so guilty of that. We are all actors, and I think whenever we see things, I think that at least I'll speak for myself. Even when I watch television or anything, I'm always watching from a place of motivation. So when someone does something, I interpret it like, what motivated them to do it. I don't necessarily see the action they did first, if that makes sense. So when I see certain things, I look at the motivation as to why something was done. And then I start thinking, okay, it could have been A, it could have been B. Or, like, it could have been C. Like, what if it's like, whoa, I think it might be. Whoa, guys. I think, like, they're doing this. Cause there might be some trouble. Like, I think something.

[Shane Topp]

Whoa.

[Noah Grossman]

I think there's a relationship issue occurring, and then there is.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That's why you're a true conspiracy theorist.

[Noah Grossman]

Yes, because I love that sort of, like, investigation.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yeah, I think that's what it is. I think to be a conspiracy theorist, you have to, like, love, like. Okay, but why? Which is like, I think all of us here. Like, your book sounds like it's like, you get from, like, who does it? But, like, it's also, like, why do they do it?

[Shane Topp]

Right, Right. And I think it's. I think it also comes from a place. As you said, it's a place of control. It's a place of reassuredness, of, like. And for me, when I was big into conspiracies, I recognized eventually that I'm like, I don't feel great about myself or my trajectory. I'm nervous about failing and not doing much with my life. And so if aliens are real or if ghosts are real or if some sort of supernatural stuff is real, then my life can't be a failure because I'm part of something so big and magical and cool. If none of it is real, then, oh, man, I am just. This is just nothing, and I'm lame.

[Noah Grossman]

But that's also stupider.

[Shane Topp]

You're really dumb.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I'm having major deja vu right now. You've said this before before to me.

[Noah Grossman]

Maybe that's when you've died in a past life because you pooped too hard.

[Shane Topp]

No. Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

No, it's not.

[Shane Topp]

You're gonna wake up and it's gonna. We're gonna be reliving this. But I also recognize that, as you kind of said, like, real life is already so insane that I'm like, oh, this is me just not loving myself and not loving my life and not loving the world that I'm in. Even if none of these things are true now, I fully acknowledge that. I'm like, there are probably so many insane things that are real that I am unaware of or that I cannot comprehend. I do believe that. But I still go about any single thing that I get shown or I see on the Internet with skepticism because I'm like, I want it to be real. So I'm going to be skeptical until in order to tear everything away and see that it's real.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

But isn't it, like, you know, belief and hope? Isn't it, like, what you believe in, you make it real kind of vibes? Like, I feel like that's why some conspiracy theories or like, some fun things are fun. Like, it makes me feel good to know that there's a Bigfoot family with little Bigfoot walking around.

[Shane Topp]

I think as long as living, I think it's.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

As long as it's not hurting, it.

[Shane Topp]

Depends on the conspiracy. That's why I'm like, I try to have a universal. I try to think universally of this mindset that is healthy across the board. Because, you know, when people really, really believe some of these conspiracy theories and then they act upon it, it can be so bad. And that's why I'm like, hey, have a little element of doubt. Don't. Don't go about acting out anything. There's nothing wrong with being like, yeah, of course.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Religion, all of that.

[Shane Topp]

We were talking about Bigfoot. Bigfoot is. Is the funniest one to me. Some, like, it's harmless. Like, oh, go out to the woods and look for Bigfoot. Like, that's funny. But almost any others, especially nowadays, it always boils down to, like, wanting to.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Hurt someone, step on a crack, break your mother's back. Did you guys grow up with that one?

[Noah Grossman]

Dude?

[Shane Topp]

Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

What the hell?

[Shane Topp]

And I still. I still will avoid cracks.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I still will avoid cracks, too. What?

[Shane Topp]

You know the one. I do believe this is one that's weird. That I do believe that mattress stores are all a front.

[Noah Grossman]

You've mentioned this before.

[Shane Topp]

100% there are so many. And I guess there was. I was reading there was a Reddit post from a few years ago where someone pointed out that there was an insane amount of mattress stores. This is like somewhere in, like, Philadelphia. It's somewhere on the east coast where there is just an absurd amount of mattress stores all in one location. Where it's like, wait, how are there so many underground tunnels right here, Dude. But a lot of people are like, no, it's a drug front or a front thing.

[Noah Grossman]

No, no, see, it's the mattress stores. Cause they come in by plane and they drop the drugs. And so you need it to safely. Cause or else the cocaine will land and it'll poof.

[Shane Topp]

It bounces. You gotta be on the mattresses. But I have never been inside a mattress store.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

You haven't?

[Shane Topp]

No.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

They're a blast.

[Shane Topp]

But there's.

[Noah Grossman]

So that's what really throws fun.

[Shane Topp]

There's so many. How are people.

[Noah Grossman]

What I like. How are they staying low?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I like it too. But also, people need beds.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, but you don't buy beds every year.

[Noah Grossman]

This is. Look, these are the real conspiracies where it's like, that could be some real thing. Because what really happens in the world? And this is something I had to explain crypto to someone who, like, was really into crypto. And they were like, yeah, I know it's down now, but like, eventually it'll go up. I don't mind talking to people because I'm not the smartest person in the room, but I like to just talk with people. Cause it's like, we'll come up with the answer. It's just usually when we come up with the answer, it's just usually like, your initial dumb idea was dumb. You know, I'm not trying to be mean, but like, Dogecoin's at like.0004 cents or whatever. I promise it's not about to be a dollar and 30. Well, I mean, it goes up with time, right? No, that's not how money works. Usually you need people to use money in order for it to be seen as, like, value. It doesn't really matter.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Now I know exactly how that conversation went.

[Noah Grossman]

Thank you for that. But essentially, with like, crypto or possibly mattress stores or even like luxury real estate in London or New York or Los Angeles, a lot of it is. It's not like conspiracy, but it's tax evasion and moving money offshore. Because a lot of people that are rich in other countries, their money is not as valuable as the US dollar. The US dollar is Strong for a specific reason, because it's accepted everywhere. It's never gonna go up or down. Our government doesn't say, hey, tomorrow it's gonna be worth 50 cents, or tomorrow it's gonna be worth a dollar and fifty cents. We don't say, you can't have your money today because we don't like your politics. You know, it's only if you, like, break some extreme law. So essentially, people who live in places that don't have laws like that, Russia, China, you know, anywhere else that's similar that might be a lot more restrictive, Someone who's a business person who makes millions of dollars because they own a factory, but the only reason they own a factory is because they're in with the local politics and the local whatever government. And they could take it away at any time.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

You don't take a breath, they say.

[Noah Grossman]

Great, I have $10 million, but I have $10 million in the local currency that can inflate, deflate, whatever. It makes much more sense for me to take this $10 million, turn it into $8 million of USD, and then go and buy a super fancy property that will always be worth money. And then in 10 years when I want to leave the country and raise children, or in 10 years when I'm a political prisoner running away, I can sell this property. Or that's where the money is. Essentially, it's.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

He's been holding the money.

[Noah Grossman]

It's a safer thing than your local banking system. It's the same thing with crypto, which is like, great, you want to put it into crypto. Well, there's someone who has money that's illegal money that they are exchanging into legal money. Just in the meantime, you're using the fake money in the middle. So you take your real dollars, you turn it into Doge, and someone who's got bad dollars, turn it into Doge.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

He signed up for this crypto.

[Noah Grossman]

This is like the real. When people are like conspiracies, this is the real stuff that actually is making people lose. And another conspiracy that I just learned, I don't actually have the facts behind it, but apparently Colorado is the leading place for the cartels to launder cash.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That's your family.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah. The reason is because the United States doesn't allow the federal banking of money made through the sale of marijuana. So all states that sell marijuana legally, it's done in cash. Or there's like a local state law that allows them to bank it or bank a certain amount, whatever it is. So in Colorado, they don't have the same state laws as California, which. The same thing can happen in California. It's just easiest in Colorado. So what they do is they take their cash and they open up a store. And either the state of Colorado allows the state to take the cash and act like the United States bank. So instead of the federal government, this.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Is Noah's girlfriend when he does this.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, really? Really, really. This is how you know that. I'm like, google it. Google it.

[Shane Topp]

We gotta order. What do you want?

[Noah Grossman]

So you will pay for the weed in cash, and then the state will go to the business and say, I know that you can't have this much cash on hand, so we will take it. And here's a voucher for money. You know, here. We'll legally bank it in the state of Colorado, but that money isn't legally banked by the US Government. So they're able to take money that would have been traced by the federal government.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Oh, God.

[Noah Grossman]

They're able to take.

[Shane Topp]

So is Bigfoot. He's running out of oil.

[Noah Grossman]

Bigfoot is running. I'm running out of oil. The scam is the same way that you would wash money in any other business, but it's very easy to do in Colorado through legal weed because it's.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

All cash or it's just aliens coming down.

[Shane Topp]

You know what I do? This does remind me, though, is, I think also the unfortunate truth is that a lot of conspiracy.

[Noah Grossman]

We're all stupid. And I'm stupid.

[Shane Topp]

Well, no. I mean, yes, but a lot of conspiracies. There are a lot of real conspiracies out there. And of course, the government is screwing us in so many ways. It's always dumber and lamer than you want it to be.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Totally.

[Shane Topp]

Like, when people talk about, like, the Illuminati, it's like, there's no Illuminati. They're just in front of you, doing.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

It, taking your money, and they're just.

[Shane Topp]

They're saying it like, they're just.

[Noah Grossman]

Did I deliver you guys when I hung out with the Freemasons in Vermont?

[Shane Topp]

Do you. Can you talk about this on the podcast?

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, I can talk about.

[Shane Topp]

Okay.

[Noah Grossman]

Because they wanted me to join. They tell you how to join?

[Shane Topp]

Like, you almost became a Freemason.

[Noah Grossman]

I. So I was in Vermont because I won a trip on the Price is Right. And the last time that I was.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

In this, and it was Vermont. The trip.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I love Vermont.

[Noah Grossman]

Vermont, Gorgeous state. Oh, my God, the best apples in the world. I Apple off a tree. I was in. I want to say it was. It was Waitsfield.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Okay.

[Noah Grossman]

Somewhere in Waitsfield. It's a specific place called the Inn at the Round Barn Farm. Super nice. It's like a wedding venue spot, but that's where we gotta stay. It's a huge little town.

[Shane Topp]

But you. So how did you meet the Freemasons?

[Noah Grossman]

So in a lot of towns, and I'm sure this is all over the east coast, but there's signs when you go. And it says Free Accepted Masons. When you walk into the towns or drive into them. And so you're like, oh, okay, who cares? But right when you would turn to go up to where we were staying, there was the Freemason Lodge in the town. And it was some rundown, like, piece of shit building. Like, it didn't look like anyone was there, but there was a sign that was like, oh, come hang out on our free enrollment. Whatever. So the last day we were staying in that town before we went to a different town, I decided to knock on the door. I was like, you know what? Fuck it, let me knock on the door. Why not? I've never met the Freemasons.

[Shane Topp]

You decided to just go to the Freemason Lodge?

[Noah Grossman]

Yes, yes.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Yes, I am.

[Shane Topp]

And knock and be like, hey, are you the Illuminati?

[Noah Grossman]

And I was like, tiffany, do you want to come with me? And she was like, no, I don't think they let girls in. And I was like, oh, I think you're right. So I googled something.

[Shane Topp]

They don't. From what I understand, they don't.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, again, his girlfriend's just like, really fine.

[Shane Topp]

I don't even wanna go.

[Noah Grossman]

On the way to the place, it was like a nine minute drive. So I googled a video explaining the Freemasons. Cause I don't really know much. And in those nine minutes, I gathered Temple of Solomon, Special chamber. That's a square. There's two pillars. One represents the earth and one represents the sky. And it's all based, you know, in early Judaism to some degree.

[Shane Topp]

That's all I didn't know from what I read back in the day, when I was. When I did look into, like, Freemason stuff, one of the only rules I knew is, is you had to be a man. But you also have to believe in a higher power. It doesn't matter what religion, but you just have to believe in a God.

[Noah Grossman]

Because they all believe that they're speaking to the same God, if that makes sense. Because they're all monotheistic.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Like, why don't they want women there?

[Noah Grossman]

There's A different group called the Star.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Of course.

[Noah Grossman]

They're like something like that.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Sparkles.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, yeah. Really?

[Shane Topp]

Sparkle Squad.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Squad. Get it, girl.

[Noah Grossman]

So I knocked on the door and I entered and there was just this old guy sweeping, but there was tables being set up. And so I was just like, hey. And he didn't turn around. And I was like, hey. I wanted to just learn about the Freemasons and talk to you. He was like, oh, if you come back in 15 minutes, the grand Master's gonna be here and you can talk to him. He's like, help me, help me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, as I was leaving, an old woman came around the corner and she was like, oh, hello. Do you remember me? And I looked at her.

[Shane Topp]

Do you remember me?

[Noah Grossman]

Yes. And I did. Five days earlier. The first day I was in Vermont. I went to a local coffee shop and there was a group of old women, and I had colored hair. And they stopped me and they were like, hey, we wanna look at your hair. We're talking about it. Can we talk to you? And so they saw my hair. You know, I talked to them, told them I was from California.

[Shane Topp]

I think you were in the Truman show for a second.

[Noah Grossman]

So I'm telling you. So this old lady, you know, whomever was there, and she was like, oh, hi, nice to meet you, whatever. Yeah. So I come back in 15 minutes and there's this older guy, Hank. You know, he's much younger than the other two, but by much younger.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Perfect name.

[Noah Grossman]

He's 62. Yes, perfect name. Hank's got a limp. Like one of his legs is.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Of course he does. Blown off or something.

[Noah Grossman]

Who knows, you know, whatever. And so we come in and I say, hi. And, you know, he said, hi, I'm Hank. You know, you wanted to meet us. And I said, yes. I opened strong and said, hi, my name is Noah. I'm from Los Angeles. I'm in the entertainment industry, and I'm Jewish. A lot of people think that I'm in the Freemasons or a part of the Illuminati. I'm not a part of you guys, but I'd love to learn about this organization. And so he laughed and he said, well, you know who we are, right? And I said, yeah, yeah, I know. You know, the temple of Solomon, the two pillars, you know, the sky. And he's like, and the earth. And the earth. Good, good. So, you know, and he starts listing off all these things, and I'm just like, yeah, uh huh, uh huh. And he's like, great, let me give you A tour. We are in the oldest fucking building ever. I swear to God. He told me it's from 1822. It's the first general store building in the town. This thing has been through 13, 14, floods. Like, nothing fits. Everything looks like shit. I mean, like, there must be mold everywhere. This place is disgusting.

[Shane Topp]

The hitchhiking ghost from Haunted Mansion are there.

[Noah Grossman]

Yes. And I'm telling you, these people control the world, right? Like the tables are setting up, which I'm happy that the old people have like a place to be, but like, it's like paper plates, like, there's not even tablecloths on these wooden tables that are like the foldable ones. It looks like they're at public school that I went to, like in lausd. Like, it's like, this is sad. You don't control the world. But you know, on the wall, it's all the people. There's someone all the way back from like 1788. He was like the first one of their, like lodge members. Hank starts talking to me. He's like, you know the guy who was sweeping, he was just joking. He's actually the son of the last grandmason of the town. And I was like, oh. He's like, yeah, he just didn't want to talk to you about stuff. But he was taking me on tour. He's like, let me show you the basement. So I followed him into the basement. The original general, don't follow strangers into the basement. This is how the Freemasons live. The original 1822 basement. The layer of dust on these original stone walls, I mean, it was gross. There's no running water, all the pipes are broken. I mean, it looks like rats give birthplaces. There's random artifacts and knickknacks that like, you know, with the right lighting, you'd be like, oh my God, is the Declaration of Independence here?

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Cut to your girlfriend at the end, like, do, do, do, do. Yeah, she's literally like, yeah, she's eating.

[Noah Grossman]

Drinking, and I'm like trapped in this fucking stone basement. But really with the lights on, it looks like the worst place. So we go back up to the main floor and he's like, hey, do you want to go up to the ceremonial chamber? And I'm like, oh, of course.

[Shane Topp]

Should be sacrificed.

[Noah Grossman]

Who knows? Who knows? So we go up the stairs, these thin ass stairs, and there's one of those chairs that, you know, for old people that's like automatic, like goes really slow, right? The Freemasons in the Freedom, that's the.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Only technology they have.

[Shane Topp]

In there?

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah. And so as we're going up, and remember, Hank has a bad leg. And he's like, really old. I was like, oh, wow, you guys got that installed? And he goes, yeah, we just got it last week. He goes, I had to install it. I was like, oh, that seems hard. And he's like, yeah, you know, it's gonna be harder. And I said, what? He goes, taking it back out. Fire department says the stairway's too thin, so Hank's gotta undo himself. Himself? Yeah.

[Shane Topp]

They're not the Illuminati. They're not. They're not controlling anything. Everyone's controlling them. They're like, we don't get a say.

[Noah Grossman]

Like, guys, these people control the fucking world. And so we go up to the special chamber room. And before the special chamber room, there's a waiting room. And this is what he says to me verbatim. He says, this is where you wait before you come into your first ceremony to become a Freemason. It's usually cold in Vermont, so we plan a big meal beforehand because there's a lot of waiting outside. In this room, we like to do beans. So this Freemason, you eat beans before you become a Freemason? I guess what? Beans is their food of choice. We walk in the chamber, I promise you, it's like here in the Titanic. It's like fluffy carpet. There's like a couple layers, different chairs, different symbols and knickknacks. He starts talking about them. You see things that you see in art all the time that you're like, oh, this is what that means. This is what that means. He starts explaining things to me. This is this and this is that. It's all based on the ancient. I don't know, I'm gonna say Eritrean. That's not the word. That's an active type of people now. But it's like these weird ancient words. Yes, but he told me this. He said. Cause I saw on half the room was different artifacts that look similar. And I was like, oh, what are those? And he said, that belongs to a different group that we rent out our space to because we don't have enough members.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

That's the Sparkle Gang. And they do Zumba up here.

[Noah Grossman]

There are two rival Illuminati esque cults that rent out the same space because they're too poor to have their own clubhouses.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I can't.

[Noah Grossman]

That's the fucking Freemasons.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

And with that.

[Noah Grossman]

Yes.

[Shane Topp]

So funny. People think the Freemasons are like, apparently.

[Noah Grossman]

It'S different group to group. Like there might be a strange one. Like some. But it's in no way a connected organization.

[Shane Topp]

But that Freemason group is just chillin eating beans.

[Noah Grossman]

The American Legion is scarier.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I promise you, Noah, it has been a fucking journey with you.

[Noah Grossman]

Sorry.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

I know. Not sorry. I felt like I was there with you, holding your hand. Like that was amazing.

[Shane Topp]

I can't believe we decided on the topic of conspiracy theories. And I had no idea that you had visited and.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah, I don't think I've ever told that story.

[Shane Topp]

Nearly became a free. It doesn't sound like it. At any point you were planning on joining?

[Noah Grossman]

Oh, no. But if you want to join. If you want to join, you literally Google City and Freemasons. And then there's an email. And then you email them any chapter. He said wherever you live, there's an email.

[Shane Topp]

So they just hang out. Neat beans.

[Noah Grossman]

Yeah. In Vermont. In Vermont.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Because it gets cold. Man, you need beans.

[Shane Topp]

It's so weird, some beans. So weird. Noah, thank you for.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Noah, thank you for being here.

[Noah Grossman]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

Anytime. Guys, this is Smoshcast. Our next episode comes out on Monday.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, next. Dude, next episode is gonna be really good. We are making Angela write the worst sketch possible. And we're all gonna write terrible sketches.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

So excited. This was Smoshmouth.

[Shane Topp]

Yeah, that's what it is. Smosh mouth. Deal with it.

[Noah Grossman]

You brought back the callback. Yeah.

[Amandalee Handcanto]

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