S2: #86 - The Haunting of Smosh Manor

Summary

Podcast Summary: Smosh Mouth - S2: #86 - The Haunting of Smosh Manor

Episode Details:

• Title: The Haunting of Smosh Manor
• Hosts: Shayne Topp (Short), Amanda Lehan-Canto (Tall), and rotating Smosh friends Tommy Bo and Rachel Evans
• Release Date: October 28, 2020

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1. Introduction to the Supernatural

The episode kicks off with the hosts delving into the eerie and unexplained phenomena surrounding Smosh Manor. Shayne and Amanda set the stage for a spine-chilling discussion on ghosts, aliens, and cryptids, inviting their friends Tommy Bo and Rachel Evans to share their personal encounters.

Notable Quote:

• Shayne Topp [00:00]: "Step into the world of power, loyalty, and luck."

2. Personal Ghost Stories

Tommy Bo's Haunted Beginnings: Tommy shares his childhood experiences growing up in an old Texas house from the 1800s, where he believed he encountered spirits performing under-the-table surgeries. These early experiences fostered his fascination with the paranormal.

Notable Quote:

• Tommy Bo [06:05]: "When I was six years old, I saw these huge faces just talking to each other above my bed. It was like playing Guess Who, but creepy."

Rachel Evans' Apartment Hauntings: Rachel recounts unsettling events in her South Florida apartment, including a shadowy figure on the staircase and unexplained noises emanating from vents and walls. She describes attempting to cleanse her space with sage and Palo Santo, only to find picture frames toppled overnight.

Notable Quote:

• Rachel Evans [12:41]: "In my apartment, there's this staircase in the corner that sometimes has a shadowy figure standing there. It’s terrifying."

3. Exploring Ghosts, Aliens, and Cryptids

The conversation shifts to the broader topics of ghosts, aliens, and cryptids. Tommy elaborates on his work with the travel show "Paranormal Caught on Camera," where he analyzes paranormal clips submitted by viewers. He expresses particular unease about cryptids like the Chupacabra and the lack of scientific evidence supporting their existence.

Notable Quote:

• Tommy Bo [29:15]: "Cryptids scare me the most because there's an element of science—we're looking at something unidentifiable by the human eye yet it’s on camera."

Aliens and Government Conspiracies: The hosts debate the existence of aliens and speculate on government cover-ups, referencing Area 51 and recent Navy UFO videos. Tommy suggests that some reported alien technologies might actually be advanced human-made projects disguised as extraterrestrial.

Notable Quote:

• Tommy Bo [32:26]: "I believe alien technology like cloaking and communication devices have been borrowed by our government."

4. The Mystique of Ouija Boards and Possession

Shayne introduces the topic of Ouija boards, discussing their potential dangers. The hosts share personal anecdotes about using Ouija boards, emphasizing the risks of inadvertently inviting malevolent spirits. Rachel highlights her skepticism yet acknowledges the potential for negative experiences if not handled correctly.

Notable Quote:

• Tommy Bo [53:56]: "With a Ouija board, you are asking for it, and they’ll give it to you. You have no control over what comes through."

5. Listener Stories and Cryptid Encounters

The episode features listener-submitted stories about cryptid sightings and eerie encounters. Shayne narrates a tale from Maine in 1799 involving a preacher who claimed to witness his deceased wife's ghost prophesying a mysterious marriage, blending historical accounts with supernatural claims.

Notable Quote:

• Shayne Topp [25:04]: "The ghost sought to orchestrate the marriage of George Butler to Lydia Blaisdell, who was 15 at the time."

Tommy discusses modern-day cryptid sightings, including a terrifying Bigfoot encounter where the creature exhibits grotesque, almost human-like features before fleeing the scene.

Notable Quote:

• Tommy Bo [58:43]: "Some Bigfoot footage is terrifying. It looks almost like a person, grotesque and uncanny."

6. Closing Thoughts and Future Investigations

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the abundance of unexplained phenomena and the thin line between belief and skepticism. They hint at upcoming investigations, including Tommy's planned exploration of the haunted Queen Mary ship, expressing both excitement and apprehension.

Notable Quote:

• Tommy Bo [70:38]: "I'm scared, too. I'm doing an investigation on the 1st of Queen Mary, but they're shutting it down."

Shayne concludes by acknowledging the enduring mystery of the supernatural and encourages listeners to stay curious and respectful of unexplained entities.

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Conclusion: "The Haunting of Smosh Manor" offers an engaging exploration of ghost stories, alien conspiracies, and cryptid legends, enriched by the personal experiences of the hosts and their friends. Through a blend of anecdotal evidence and speculative discussion, the episode invites listeners to ponder the mysteries that lie beyond our understanding.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Shayne Topp [00:00]: "Step into the world of power, loyalty, and luck."
• Tommy Bo [06:05]: "When I was six years old, I saw these huge faces just talking to each other above my bed. It was like playing Guess Who, but creepy."
• Rachel Evans [12:41]: "In my apartment, there's this staircase in the corner that sometimes has a shadowy figure standing there. It’s terrifying."
• Tommy Bo [29:15]: "Cryptids scare me the most because there's an element of science—we're looking at something unidentifiable by the human eye yet it’s on camera."
• Tommy Bo [32:26]: "I believe alien technology like cloaking and communication devices have been borrowed by our government."
• Tommy Bo [53:56]: "With a Ouija board, you are asking for it, and they’ll give it to you. You have no control over what comes through."
• Shayne Topp [25:04]: "The ghost sought to orchestrate the marriage of George Butler to Lydia Blaisdell, who was 15 at the time."
• Tommy Bo [58:43]: "Some Bigfoot footage is terrifying. It looks almost like a person, grotesque and uncanny."
• Tommy Bo [70:38]: "I'm scared, too. I'm doing an investigation on the 1st of Queen Mary, but they're shutting it down."

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Transcript

[Ian Hecox]

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[Tommy Bo]

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[Ian Hecox]

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[Rachel Evans]

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[Tommy Bo]

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[Ian Hecox]

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[Tommy Bo]

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[Rachel Evans]

Com.

[Tommy Bo]

Welcome to the family.

[Rachel Evans]

No purchase necessary. VGW Group void. We're prohibited by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply. A ghost is in my room and it's banging on the ceiling. That's scary. But what's scarier is with aliens. They're like, physical things.

[Tommy Bo]

Hauntings are scary. So even if it's like an Ian Hecox just coming to, like, give you tiny forehead kisses in the morning, he's.

[Rachel Evans]

Still a shadow figure.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, he's still a shadow figure.

[Ian Hecox]

I don't want that. Flying saucers. It could be expected. Experimental crafts that were made by humans, they just use the COVID of aliens or it's unexplained. We don't know what it is to just cover for, like, an actual just government made project.

[Rachel Evans]

My mom thought, mm, I'm gonna take my 10 or 11 year old son to see the movie signs. And so my dad jumps out of my room and he doesn't say boo, and he doesn't say what he says is aliens. And I peed a little bit.

[Tommy Bo]

Wait, I'm ready.

[Ian Hecox]

You had to get the pre. The pre pod cough.

[Tommy Bo]

I can't promise it won't happen again.

[Ian Hecox]

Why?

[Tommy Bo]

I smoke weed.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, gross.

[Tommy Bo]

I know. I'm awful.

[Rachel Evans]

You're disgusting.

[Ian Hecox]

You still smoke it? Ew, no.

[Tommy Bo]

I just put it in my butt.

[Ian Hecox]

We all. Yeah, it's. It's all suppository. Suppository for me.

[Tommy Bo]

You make fun. But that's a real thing.

[Rachel Evans]

If you ever want to get your low intestines, like, blitzed.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, just.

[Ian Hecox]

I mean, I know Jackass did that with. With like, beer. They did, like, the. The butt chug, which is actually a really great way to die of alcohol poisoning because your membranes in the colon or whatnot will absorb the alcohol, but it bypasses your liver.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, so you just straight up get.

[Tommy Bo]

Poisoned and then you can donate your liver?

[Rachel Evans]

Exactly.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

So if you plan on dying from alcohol poisoning, just do it that way. Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

So please don't put alcohol in your butt. Anyway, hello. And it's. And it's amazing that we're talking about that because that's exactly what we're talking about today, which is spooky ghosts and goblins and aliens and Cryptids. I don't even know what that is, but we're gonna find out today. Today I'm joined by smosh social masters Tommy Bo and Rachel Evans.

[Tommy Bo]

Hi.

[Rachel Evans]

Hi.

[Ian Hecox]

Hello. I don't know if I should. I just never said your full name before.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't think anybody has.

[Rachel Evans]

Rae.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, my name backwards is lecar Snave. That's fun, right?

[Rachel Evans]

Sims.

[Ian Hecox]

Really?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

I love the Sims. So that's what I chant if I want to get your ghost to go away. Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Lacar Snave just straight up sounds like a Lord of the Rings king character.

[Tommy Bo]

It's the name I dance under.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah. So the reason. The reason that we brought Rachel and Tommy here today for this spooktacular. Spooky ghost and goblins and aliens and Cryptids episode is because you guys could pro. You guys probably identify as. As believers, true believers of the. Be ghosts and goblins or maybe just ghosts and. Or something like that. And aliens and such and so forth.

[Rachel Evans]

Correct. All of the so forths, etc.

[Ian Hecox]

Okay. Yeah. So I guess I should probably mention this is Rachel's first ever introduction of any kind, I guess on. On Smosh.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, yeah. I try to keep it behind the camera.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Well, guess what?

[Tommy Bo]

Here I am.

[Ian Hecox]

Here you are. Yeah, but you. But this isn't, like, the first time that you've done, like, a podcast. You had, like, your own.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, podcast or. Right. Yeah, no, I had a. I was a YouTuber for a few years on the channel I created was called Snarled, which was. I did a ghost and serial killer show on that, and then I'm on. I'm right now currently on the travel channel for the past three seasons. Show called Paranormal Caught on Camera.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, yeah. So. So you're. You're deep in. Deep in this stuff. You can give some insider info.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. Basically, people send in clips, and I have to be like, that was a residual haunting. Oh, that was a duende.

[Ian Hecox]

A duende?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. That's a cryptid kind of.

[Rachel Evans]

How much of it is information that's already floating around in your brain and how much of it is. I need to research that floaty shape.

[Tommy Bo]

No, 150% is already still there. The show that I did on Snarled was called Dark 5, and I did somewhere around, like, 100 episodes of that, and every episode was a different spooky thing. I mean, there are some things that I've had to brush up on, like Particle physics. But sorry, you know, like, you're like.

[Rachel Evans]

I just had to brush up on like this extreme science.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, it hurts my brain every day and I don't know what I'm talking about, but I can try. I can do my best.

[Ian Hecox]

Okay.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

So. So how did you even get get into this then? What made you. What made you go, oh, okay, ghosts are real. And now I want to know more about them.

[Tommy Bo]

I think similar to Tommy, actually. Like, haven't heard your story. I almost touched your hand. I'm so scared. I had. I grew up in a haunted house. Like, I grew up in a very old. Not like one that people set up for Halloween. Like one with ghosts. Very old, like 1800s Texas house where people used to do under the table surgeries in the basement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a bullet hole in one of the windows. Like very often.

[Ian Hecox]

Usually you don't do surgery with guns.

[Tommy Bo]

I. That's why it was so chaotic.

[Ian Hecox]

Texas. Oh, that's true. You can fix anything with a gun in Texas. That's facts.

[Tommy Bo]

That's true. That's true. I've. Yeah, I'm not going to tell that story. But when I was a kid, I mean, me and my sister had very similar experiences with a couple locations in the house. But the big one was I. My room was the cigar room. So my room, back when it was first built was meant for gentlemen's clubs and card games and cigars. When I was about six years old, I. Well, I had an experience with my grandfather. When he died, he like showed up on my bed because he. I slept over at his house. I left his house and then he died.

[Ian Hecox]

Whoa.

[Tommy Bo]

And then I took a nap when I got back to my house and I thought he was on the bed. And so I went into my parents room and I was like, where's. Where's grandpa? Like, why did he come and hang out and then leave? And they're like, oh, honey, we have some bad news for you. But the experience in my room was like, that's when I learned to be comfortable with being scared. I was. I mean, because life is scary. Like, I'm. Whatever. So I'm six years old, I'm sitting in my bed and I see these huge like, faces. Like the best way I can describe it is as if we were playing Guess who and it's just like this caricature of a face. And one of them was like big and bald and had a cigar hanging out of his mouth. The other guy had these big round glasses and this bushy Hair. And then there's another guy that was another bald guy, but very, very slim. And I was just staring at them. Talk to each other. Like they were not. And they were, like, in a semicircle above my bed, and they weren't interacting with me at all. It's like I wasn't there, and I was just, like, watching them, I guess. I screamed and my parents came into my room, and they're like, what's wrong? And I was like, nothing. I'm just hanging out.

[Ian Hecox]

Like, I would scream if I saw some big floating heads above me.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, it was very spooky. It was very spooky. So that's when I first became comfortable with the idea that, like, there are things that we don't understand and can't explain. And then I was just always a real freak. Like, I was just always a weirdo. Growing up, I didn't, you know, I have friends, but, yeah, I do. And then I did. But it kind of lends itself, like, when you are. Other than. It lends yourself to be a little bit more open to things that maybe other people might. Poo. Poo.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah. Like ghost friends.

[Tommy Bo]

Like ghost friends. Exactly.

[Ian Hecox]

Or Ghost mates. Available on YouTube.

[Tommy Bo]

T Bang. Yeah. My favorite film.

[Ian Hecox]

Thank you.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, I did just watch it, actually.

[Ian Hecox]

Did you. Did you feel like it represented ghosts?

[Tommy Bo]

Well, I thought it was a very fun representation of ghost activity.

[Rachel Evans]

Did you scream and have your mom come in to check on you?

[Tommy Bo]

Well, every time.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Every time I watch a movie, yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Was T Pain not the best part of that movie?

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, absolutely. It, like, good. But I love T Pain.

[Ian Hecox]

He's pretty amazing.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah, he's pretty great.

[Ian Hecox]

He was drinking something the whole. The whole time we were filming, and he just.

[Tommy Bo]

Ghost mates.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah. And. And he. And he just only got better as. As the hours went on. Okay, so. So haunted house under the table. Surgery room.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Cigar room.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes.

[Ian Hecox]

Spooky, misogynistic men.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't know if I don't want to put them on that. Put that on them.

[Ian Hecox]

Okay. Well, they probably can't hear you. They're still stuck in. Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

And from what I understand, it was the late 1800s. I'm sure they hated me. You know everything about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Okay. So, Tommy.

[Rachel Evans]

Yes.

[Ian Hecox]

So she said you had a similar introduction to spooky ghosts.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, when I was, like, my. My house wasn't so immediately haunted. Right. It's not like I had, like, so. So many visuals to do, but there is a. There was, like, always a, you know, the feeling of like being watched. And it's like. My house is one of the older ones in South Florida. It's from like the 60s or something. So there's some history. I don't know. I don't think anyone died there, but I don't know.

[Tommy Bo]

Probably did.

[Rachel Evans]

Probably.

[Ian Hecox]

Is the south just more haunted?

[Tommy Bo]

Yes, it is.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Any place with, Well, I mean, the south, any place that has, like more war in contention is going to be more haunted. And it's not just for the obvious reasons of, like, people died here. It's also an energy thing.

[Ian Hecox]

I guess there's probably just war and contention everywhere though, right? Like, where's. Where's. What do you think is the least. Sorry. We'll get back to your story, Tom. I don't want to tangent to it.

[Rachel Evans]

No, I love this.

[Ian Hecox]

What do you think is the least haunted place?

[Tommy Bo]

Sweden.

[Ian Hecox]

You think so?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah. These cute.

[Ian Hecox]

The home of the Vikings.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

You think that all that.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't think they're hanging.

[Rachel Evans]

We're not saying not haunted. We're saying least haunted.

[Ian Hecox]

Least haunted. Okay. I feel like they're not hanging around. You think they're. They're pretty content.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah. Because it's usually what, like. Like suffering, extreme emotions, crazy weird deaths, stuff like that that like imprints on a place. Right.

[Tommy Bo]

And it's also the willingness of the people to believe in it.

[Rachel Evans]

Right.

[Tommy Bo]

And I know that that's where this all becomes like. But. Yeah, but you know, it's an energy thing. And so if people are more about that ghost life, then there's gonna be more ghost sightings and more. Yeah. Ghosts in general.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

So you think the Swedes just don't care?

[Tommy Bo]

I think they probably have more like, of a culture, like.

[Rachel Evans]

Like a neutral culture.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

Where they're just like. I don't know.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Like.

[Tommy Bo]

No, it's okay.

[Rachel Evans]

It's fine.

[Tommy Bo]

Well, I don't know. You're Swedish. Look at your hair.

[Ian Hecox]

I'm not. Oh, yeah. I'm Swedish now.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

I've adopted. I've adopted their culture.

[Rachel Evans]

You'll kill James Bond soon enough, I promise.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, I'm just waiting for my hairless cat.

[Rachel Evans]

You're waiting for it?

[Tommy Bo]

You're like, it's coming in the mail.

[Ian Hecox]

And I'm working on getting like a really dope scar that goes down one eye. So. Sorry. So I was. I was tangenting. I'm so sorry, Tommy.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

So tell me about your.

[Rachel Evans]

Well, it's like me grow. Growing up, I didn't have a lot of like, ghost things. Like, I mean, I saw I had a nutcracker that my mom got me. It was cute. Every Christmas, my mom would get me nutcrackers, and she would hide them around the house, and I would find them, and it was cute. But one time, I put the nutcracker in the middle of the room, and I, like, went to the bathroom, and then when I came back, the little mouth thing was open, and then it closed. So it was just like a little movement thing. But that was enough for me to go like, oh, got it, got it, got it, got it. So then that kind of, like, stuck with me, and then moving forward. I haven't really had many ghost adventures except for the current apartment that I'm in, which I've talked about on the podcast before.

[Ian Hecox]

But go on.

[Rachel Evans]

Go ahead. And you want me to go. Go ahead and say it again.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay.

[Ian Hecox]

Because I have. I haven't heard this.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah. Refresh it for the audience. Okay. Hi, audience. Are you refreshed? Okay, so in my apartment, there are. What? Rachel, your hair.

[Tommy Bo]

So sorry I called you.

[Ian Hecox]

This is a grudge thing. This is a spooky grudge thing. Hair keeps coming out of Tommy's mouth.

[Tommy Bo]

It's me.

[Ian Hecox]

Or is the ring. Is it the ring or the grudge?

[Tommy Bo]

It's my life.

[Ian Hecox]

It's both. Just.

[Rachel Evans]

Ring has the.

[Ian Hecox]

What's up, a J. Horn? Just hair coming out of your head.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay, so basically, I'm trying to, like, find, like, the best place to start.

[Ian Hecox]

So basically, did it arrive with that horse of yours that you have?

[Rachel Evans]

You know, maybe. So I have a. I like. I like scary artifacts, and that's just kind of me bringing it onto myself. One time I was in New York, and I was walking down a street, and there was a painting of this. This weird, like, faded painting of this Chinese woman with, like, bags on the floor and, like, a house in the background, but it's, like, half finished. And I was like, she's trapped in that.

[Ian Hecox]

She's trapped in that painting.

[Rachel Evans]

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, there's something inside it. Anyway, I saw it, and I was like, I have to get this painting. Don't know why. I just drawn to it, and I bought it, and then it's been with me ever since. And that's probably the first bad side. Yeah, well, that's the. Probably the cursed item. Anyway, so I'm in my kitchen. My roommate, by the way, has experienced everything with me. So I'm not alone in this.

[Ian Hecox]

Okay.

[Rachel Evans]

I'm not like, you know, it's not just my peripherals acting up. My garbage can lid was one of those swingy guys. So every once in a while it would just go. And I would be like, okay, well, no one's throwing anything away. And that would happen for a while. And my roommate Brandon and I were just like, okay, that's a little strange. And then we started seeing again. Peripherals. Right. When you're looking at something for so long, your peripherals start to, like, not interact anymore or whatever. And so you can start to see things in your peripheral. Sure. So in the corner of my apartment, which you can see the staircase if you go onto Smosh's Instagram and you look at that reel that I made for registering to vote, this little staircase is in the corner of my apartment. And when you're at the sink, you can see it out of the corner of your eye. And it goes up to this halfway point and then goes further up in that halfway point. Perfectly spooky. Swear to God, no woman, five foot five, five, seven, something like that shadow for person would just be standing there. And so. I know. So that. So that was like. That was like, there. And I was like. Every once in a while, I'd be like. Like, you know, dart over and look gone. Fine. And I'm like, okay, fine, whatever. Then I had another friend over, and my roommate Brandon was there, and I was talking to my friend, and I was like, you know, I just want to know, have you ever seen. And he's like, the woman that stands on your staircase? Yes, I have. And I was like, so that confirmed it. And I think again about the. Once you believe it, it's real. Then I was like, oh, no, no. So the event, the big event, the big poltergeist event, that wasn't it. That wasn't it.

[Tommy Bo]

That apparition you saw, wasn't it?

[Rachel Evans]

Okay, so, jeez, it's like, two in the morning. I don't need to get into the details about the vent, but basically there was a sound that sounded like something was banging in the walls. The way my apartment is built, there's no way something could be stuck in a vent where the sound was coming from, because there is no air conditioner vent in that area. The sound was, like, rattling and crazy. And my roommate texts me and he's like, what is that? And I'm like, I don't know. And so, like, I look out, it's nothing there. There's nothing there. So I just sit in my bed and I'm like, I hate this. The sound travels from the corner. Again, not an air vent. It's just kind of like a. Like a kind of sound. Just like a pattering, thumping.

[Ian Hecox]

Couldn't that just be like a mouse or a rat in the wall?

[Rachel Evans]

If the rat was, like, covered, doing parkour. Parkour. And just like, going like, thunk, thunk, thunk, thunk. So it travels to the center of the room. Of my room. I live. My two roommates live upstairs. I'm downstairs, so I'm alone. The sound stops. I take a breath. I'm like, okay, that was crazy. And then my bathroom door does that classic, like, thing and, like, slowly opens up. And I couldn't fall asleep that night. Next day, me and my roommate take Sage and Palo Santo, go into every corner of the apartment, and I was like, okay. And Because I'm like, if I'm ever gonna come in contact with a ghost, I'm gonna treat it like a person. So I was like, hey, so you gotta get out. This kinda sucks. And so I was like, doing that. Next morning, after cleansing the apartment, the picture frames on my living room wall were all on the ground.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. You can't treat something like a person if it's not a person.

[Rachel Evans]

I know.

[Tommy Bo]

That's awful.

[Rachel Evans]

That's my story.

[Tommy Bo]

That is awful. Like, that's terrible. There's so many elements to this. So this is. So this is like what happens on the show is people send it in. Then I go, okay, well, let's break this up. There's so many elements to this that make it not a traditional, like, just ghost haunting that I'm like, you need to get rid of that picture immediately or it's you.

[Rachel Evans]

It's probably me.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. Honestly, might be you. Because, like, Poltergeist and things like that. And like, Succubus spirit. Especially if you feel yourself being a little bit more tired all the time. Something like that is something called a succubus spirit. And their intention, the point of their existence, is to live off of your energy.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, my God. I have a dependent.

[Tommy Bo]

That's so sweet. Tax purposes is great.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay.

[Tommy Bo]

But.

[Ian Hecox]

But also, Tommy's an editor. Editors are always tired.

[Tommy Bo]

Sure, sure. But, you know, you also know yourself. And I hopefully don't work you the same way that, you know, you could possibly be worked. So, I mean, I. From what it sounds like, the app, the Full Body apparition.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

That's not normal.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay. It wasn't, like, solid. It's very shadowy.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

But, yeah, no, it's an apparition.

[Tommy Bo]

You saw that it was a woman.

[Ian Hecox]

Who else saw it.

[Rachel Evans]

Just my friend that had come over and he's been over to my apartment often, so he didn't. We had never talked about the person on the stairs before. So he just.

[Ian Hecox]

But he had seen it at some other time.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah, he has. And I guess didn't bring it up because he.

[Ian Hecox]

Like, how could he not bring that up?

[Tommy Bo]

I know, I know. Like, what is that? What is that, friend?

[Ian Hecox]

Maybe he brought it. Maybe he's.

[Tommy Bo]

Maybe it's bad.

[Rachel Evans]

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[Tommy Bo]

So there's so many elements to this. First of all, the first story gave me pause because that's object manipulation. Toy manipulation specifically is the scariest part of haunting for me. Because when something is trying to manipulate something as innocent as they're gonna be, so many people in the audience being like, but that's okay. There's. With the toy manipulation, that's an exact juxtaposition of innocence.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay.

[Tommy Bo]

So the idea of something going into a children's toy to try to communicate is nefarious.

[Rachel Evans]

That was ages ago. Are we sure it's the same person?

[Tommy Bo]

No, but that was very scary. That's a very scary thing to me, especially if it's something to do with Christmas. Like, I'm Jewish, so I don't believe in like demonology. But with like nefarious spirit, they will use your icons against you. They'll use your tools against you so that they can better communicate and make you more afraid.

[Rachel Evans]

Gotcha.

[Ian Hecox]

So why would they benefit from you being afraid?

[Tommy Bo]

Because if it's a Succubus. Yeah. It's supposed to make you afraid. Or if it's enough. If it's like a Loki type spirit. If it's like a. If it's a nefarious spirit, which most people. Or some people say low key or Loki. Yeah. Like fun trickster guy.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, got it. I feel like I would be that I would be a fun trickster spirit.

[Tommy Bo]

I mean.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, that's in the works for you once.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

I'm going to be so fucking annoying when I'm a ghost.

[Rachel Evans]

You'd be like, wake up. Good morning. Hi.

[Ian Hecox]

How you doing?

[Tommy Bo]

But that's the thing, too, is that, like, hauntings are scary. So even if it's like an E and he's just coming to, like, give you tiny forehead kisses in the morning.

[Rachel Evans]

He'S still a shadow figure.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, he's still a shadow figure. Like, he's gonna be terrified, but with yours. Like, first of all, don't take artifacts. Don't do it. It's not worth it. Especially if you're going on, like, a hunt or an investigation. Just don't. If you ever go on an investigation you don't want to.

[Rachel Evans]

No.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, okay.

[Rachel Evans]

No, My helm is enough for me.

[Tommy Bo]

I'm gonna take Kevin.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah, take him.

[Tommy Bo]

It's fun. It's a good time. It's a good time. But Kevin, seriously, don't take anything from that investigation because it'll follow you back.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay. Gotcha.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. You know, so it kind of sounds like that to me.

[Rachel Evans]

It's the picture, probably.

[Tommy Bo]

If you need a shaman, let me know. The sage isn't going to do anything.

[Rachel Evans]

I'll post the picture on my Instagram or something when this comes out. So someone. Anyone who wants to see the ter. It's a. It's a bad picture. It look. It's scary.

[Tommy Bo]

It's scary.

[Rachel Evans]

It's a scary picture.

[Tommy Bo]

I had a. I had, like, this, like, 1920s labotaby needle that I bought. Oh, yeah, used. Yes, used. Had like, all this dried blood on it and stuff. And it was so. It was very cool.

[Ian Hecox]

Wait, why was there dried blood left on it?

[Tommy Bo]

It was stained. Like, it was rusted and stained.

[Rachel Evans]

From being inside a noggin?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, from being inside a noggin. It was back before they did the eyeball way of it, too. So it was real. Real brain stuff.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, that. Because they used to drill.

[Tommy Bo]

They used to drill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there was. Yeah, okay. But I. I took it home. I took it home from the Oddities Museum. And for the next two weeks, I couldn't sleep. I don't know if that was in my head or. I just couldn't sleep. So I took it back. I was like, no, I'm not even gonna test.

[Rachel Evans]

This makes sense. I have a question for Ian.

[Ian Hecox]

Ah.

[Rachel Evans]

Would you consider yourself a skeptic within this or somebody who is open to it? But you're not necessarily convinced.

[Ian Hecox]

I mean, like, I'm. I'm still, like, obviously, I'm still very skeptical, but, I mean, I know somebody. Somebody like that I know very close seemed to have a lot of very believable interactions and sightings, and I know they had no reason to, like, make things up. And, I mean, I believe that there's. I believe that there's something. I don't know what it is. And I think that there's. There's definitely something. Like, whether it's. I don't. Energy or. Or ghosts or spirits or. There. There's something like there. There has to be a reason why we've seen or felt these things, and it's not. And it can't just be chalked up to, you know, some neuron firing in the way that it wasn't supposed to.

[Rachel Evans]

Right.

[Ian Hecox]

You know, like, you.

[Rachel Evans]

My brain witnessed.

[Ian Hecox]

You witnessed physical things moving in ways that they shouldn't be. So, I mean, what's. What's the explanation for that? I don't have. I don't have an explanation for that.

[Tommy Bo]

Could be multiverse stuff, if you want to get into that.

[Ian Hecox]

Sure.

[Tommy Bo]

I mean, just open up that can of worms.

[Ian Hecox]

And also, like, I've just. I've just heard more and more stories. Gosh, I heard this. This one story. I just. I just looked it up because I was listening to this podcast, and they did this one episode on the. On the first recorded haunting in the U.S. have you ever heard about this one? When I was In Maine in 1799, some traveling preacher recorded this instance that had. He had 31 eyewitness testimonies.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay. Wow.

[Ian Hecox]

And so basically, I won't bother telling the whole story, but basically, like, this guy's wife dies, and then her ghost comes back, takes shape of his wife. She's talking, tells him that he should, like, get. Get married with this woman who was 15 at the time. So it was a little sketchy, and obviously people didn't approve of that. So this ghost is a little weird, but basically, like, she would appear down in. In his cellar. So he was like. He was like, oh, my God, I can't believe this. It's my. It's the ghost of my wife. So he starts bringing people down there, and, like, sometimes she would show up and she would talk to them, and she would talk about, like, a wide range of things, like, about, like, religion and, like, other stuff.

[Rachel Evans]

This sounds like the coolest parlor trick I know.

[Tommy Bo]

All I can think about is, like, so where did they put the mirrors?

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah. Exactly.

[Tommy Bo]

The smoke.

[Ian Hecox]

At first the apparition was a mere mass of light. Then grew into personal form. About as tall as myself. We stood in two ranks, about four or five feet apart. Between these ranks, she slowly passed and repassed so that any of us could have handled her at least. The personal form became shapeless, expanded every way, and then vanished in a moment.

[Rachel Evans]

Sounds about right.

[Ian Hecox]

So then I remember, like later in the story, people obviously thought that she was like up to something like that. It was some kind of trick said. Claiming to be the spirit of Nelly Butler, the ghost sought to orchestrate the marriage of Nelly Butler's former husband, 29 year old George Butler, to Lydia Blaisdell, who was 15 years old at the time.

[Rachel Evans]

Get out of there, lydia.

[Ian Hecox]

Hey, man, 1700s, they're crazy.

[Rachel Evans]

The way you're phrasing this is the ghost took the form of blank. Is this leading to this ghost is not the wife? Because the way this is phrased is.

[Ian Hecox]

Like, I don't know. It said that I thought exhume the.

[Tommy Bo]

Body or something to prove that she was dead.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, yes. It said the spirit was relentless, visiting multiple times and answering personal questions to prove its identity.

[Tommy Bo]

There's no way.

[Rachel Evans]

She's like, I hope this email finds you well.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

And then it said, On May 28, 1800, Lydia and Joy George were married on Butler Point. The next day, the ghost appeared and prophesied that Lydia would bear one child and die soon after this prophecy, which came to fruition. Fruition 10 months later.

[Tommy Bo]

No.

[Ian Hecox]

Echoed the sad fate of Nelly Butler, who died of childbirth when she was 22 years old.

[Rachel Evans]

Wow.

[Tommy Bo]

Because her hips weren't developed yet. That's awful. They could probably gimmick something to fool you.

[Rachel Evans]

But the prophecy.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, that's where it got me. Because I was like, sounds like a dude just wanted to marry a teenager.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, yeah. But then like, how do you explain it passing through people?

[Tommy Bo]

The. It's just so weird. I've never. Not never, but I haven't. Usually when you hear about ghosts communicating, it's through like evp. Through broken language. It's not.

[Ian Hecox]

Apparently she's having just full blown conversations.

[Tommy Bo]

Wow, that is interesting.

[Ian Hecox]

And it said the last time the ghost was reported in Sullivan was in mid August when it followed a procession of 48 people from the Blaisdale house. Because everyone was like, oh, this must be a trick that you're. You have some kind of trapdoor here in the cellar. So she's like, all right, fudgeing. Follow me.

[Tommy Bo]

So she, the ghost, she ghost Said that.

[Ian Hecox]

So she said. I think it was. I think she said, like, okay, meet me over at this house, which is a half mile away. And its agenda was to confront a skeptic and show is capable of appearing outside the home.

[Tommy Bo]

Whoa.

[Rachel Evans]

Whatever. Whatever Nelly tapped into after dying is what. That's the kind of haunt I want. Hey, I play Mario Kart.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't mean to freak you out or anything, but I'm here.

[Rachel Evans]

I'm fully here. Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

And it said at the end of the vigil, the ghost appeared before the crowd in the field and then vanished from the town for good.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, why don't we get that anymore?

[Rachel Evans]

I just got full body chills.

[Tommy Bo]

I did, too.

[Rachel Evans]

I'm just. Just the imagery of, like, a very small ghost in a very big field from far away being like. And then just, like, gone. Ooh, Ooh.

[Tommy Bo]

I'm still so scared. I'm still so scared of ghosts, you know?

[Rachel Evans]

And I think it's because you don't. Because it's an unknown. We don't know what they're capable of. Right. It's like, I don't know what the rules are.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. Just the more. The more videos I watch of people sending me their stuff, the more I'm like, well, first of all, you become attunely aware that, like, yeah, you should be a skeptic. Everyone should be a skeptic, because you should try to prove it with science, and then once you can't do that, explore it. But also, there are some things happening to people around the world right now that is horrifying.

[Rachel Evans]

Like, can I get a best of.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, God. I mean, it's hard to. But there's the scariest stuff for me is the cryptid stuff, because.

[Rachel Evans]

Which. You don't know what that is.

[Ian Hecox]

I don't know what that is.

[Tommy Bo]

Cryptids are basically, like, evolutionary creatures. Like, the idea of it is that they are animals or animal adjacent. So, like, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, the duende, which is a Spanish or Filipino folklore. A little troll that steals kids and stuff.

[Ian Hecox]

Chupacabra.

[Tommy Bo]

Chupacabra. That's a. That's a cryptid. That's what scares me the most, because there's a element of it that is science, because you're looking at something that is unidentifiable by the human eye to be anything that we have identified as animal. But it exists, and it's there and it's on camera.

[Ian Hecox]

But we haven't found its bones.

[Tommy Bo]

But what is it we found? We have found cryptid bones, but not like Bigfoot bones or anything like that.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, but, like, what. What kind of bones?

[Tommy Bo]

There's been, like, sea creature bones that we've found that have been like. But those are just dinosaur stuff. I mean, for me, that when it becomes real, that's when it gets scary. I mean, we know more about space than we know about the ocean. So the fact that there are creatures that live in an environment that is literally alien to us. That's aliens.

[Rachel Evans]

That's aliens.

[Tommy Bo]

I mean, that's aliens. And so, I mean, there's a world in which they can come into our. Our. Our world, our land, our space, and we just have no idea what they are. And then, you know, you get into the fun kind of idea of mysticism, and there are creatures in the woods, and that's just fun. You know, that's just a little bit of fun. But when you see a creature and you're like, I can't tell you what that is.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Well, we don't know everything. And like you said, there's a lot about in the ocean that we don't. We don't know.

[Tommy Bo]

So they could be monsters.

[Ian Hecox]

Who knows? The monster under your bed. Well, we actually asked you guys on Twitter a series of questions. We asked if you guys believe in ghosts. And actually quite an overwhelming majority of you, 60 to 40, about, said that you believe in ghosts.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay, that's actually.

[Ian Hecox]

I'm actually surprised. I feel like it hasn't always been like that. And. But maybe it's just because of, like, social media and people are able to share their stories easier. Do you believe in aliens? Huge majority said yes.

[Rachel Evans]

Hell, yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

And Kevin said no.

[Tommy Bo]

Kevin, you don't. Hold on. Kevin, you don't believe aliens.

[Rachel Evans]

I mean, I believe aliens exist out there. If they found our way, there's.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh. Oh, you don't believe that they're. That. That aliens have made contact.

[Rachel Evans]

I don't believe they're just hanging out.

[Ian Hecox]

You're a Fermi paradox.

[Rachel Evans]

Paradox.

[Ian Hecox]

Fermi paradox.

[Rachel Evans]

You're wrong.

[Ian Hecox]

But call me out on the podcast.

[Rachel Evans]

By the way, public platforms.

[Tommy Bo]

Well, you explained yourself.

[Ian Hecox]

Also, Kevin said that he doesn't believe in ghosts.

[Rachel Evans]

Am I going to have to dox.

[Tommy Bo]

I have to go.

[Ian Hecox]

So he's just sitting back there just like, I hate this episode.

[Rachel Evans]

I actually love this episode. I love it.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes, but you are wrong.

[Rachel Evans]

Very wrong.

[Ian Hecox]

I mean, they got it. I mean, aliens got to exist. I don't know if they visited here just for fun. I voted yes, and they're here. But because we gave three options on that was yes, no or yes. And they're here.

[Tommy Bo]

I think they're here. Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

They're here.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

You think they're here?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, sure.

[Ian Hecox]

Do you think. What do you think is an Area 51?

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, I had an interview with an ex Area 51 guard who was on like, had like fifth level security clearance, but what. How I spread my free time. Yeah, they're real. And they're working with our government. I know I sound crazy. That's the thing. There's no way. Not crazy.

[Rachel Evans]

Right.

[Ian Hecox]

You think we would be like, like, like leagues ahead of other countries if we were truly working with aliens?

[Tommy Bo]

I don't think that we're necessarily actively working with aliens, but I do think that alien technology, like we have like borrowed from alien technology, specifically, like cloaking and like ship cloaking and our communication devices. So. Yeah, I mean, you know, you don't.

[Ian Hecox]

Think that was just through, like, just a reasonable progression in technology, like we had.

[Rachel Evans]

Could be, yeah. Like, when you say communication devices, do you mean our little cell phones?

[Tommy Bo]

What a weird way to say cell phone.

[Rachel Evans]

Our little phone.

[Ian Hecox]

Like, you know, you don't think we got. You don't think we got to cell phone communication without aliens?

[Tommy Bo]

Not necessarily saying that, but there's no shame. I know, there's so much shame we're talking about. This is only shame because there's literally no way to talk about this stuff without sounding crazy. But then eventually, like, what happened a couple months ago when the CIA uncovered documents proving that aliens exist and proving that we have created more or less teleportation through particle physics? It's hard to say. Like, okay, you.

[Ian Hecox]

Wait, wait, hold on. You can't just. You can't just. You can't just randomly say teleportation and just keep moving on in your sentence.

[Tommy Bo]

It's casual. So, okay, I believe it. So basically there was a document that was. After the alien document. There was a document uncovered by the CIA that. Or declassified, I should say, by the CIA that talks about holographic and mirror theory, hypothesizes that we are living in somewhat of a simulation. Like there might be half truths to what our physical world is, but the other half of those truths, like time and space and stuff like that are created through a hologram. And this was actually proven by medical science because something like five to 10. I'm sorry, I don't know the actual date, but five to 10 years ago, there was a woman who lost half of her hemisphere, half of her brain hemisphere in a terrible accident. They recreated it through Hologram. And now she. Or through holograph, and she is now able to live a full life using the full function of her brain. Because half of her brain, the right half, believes that there is a left atmosphere there.

[Rachel Evans]

Is that what you mean by holograph?

[Tommy Bo]

That is what I mean by holograph, yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

And that. That kind of ties back into, like, go surreal if you believe. Into it.

[Tommy Bo]

Exactly.

[Rachel Evans]

Into it. You know what I mean?

[Tommy Bo]

Absolutely. Because you are manifesting. That's why, like, you lost me fully. How? What part? Well, there's like.

[Rachel Evans]

There's like phantom limb syndrome. There's like stuff like that where it's like your brain just kind of like auto completes. Because really it's only your brain talking to itself.

[Tommy Bo]

Right.

[Rachel Evans]

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[Tommy Bo]

Holographs.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay.

[Ian Hecox]

I mean, yeah, it's pretty crazy. We also don't understand our brains.

[Rachel Evans]

We don't.

[Tommy Bo]

Right. But that was not. That was not a function. I mean, it was a function of our brain because that's our home base. That's our mothership. That's our thinking epicenter. But it wasn't a function of the brain that it was capable. It wasn't because of the brain that hollow that the holographic surgery worked. It's because the theory of holographs work or holograms work. But yeah, and then that tied in with like. That got into the whole, like, particle physics of it all, which basically means that two protons can be very close to each other. And Then if they get. If they have the same weight, so if they're spinning at the exact same speed and direction, they become twins, more or less. And you can separate those two protons by any space and time.

[Ian Hecox]

Quantum entanglement.

[Tommy Bo]

Exactly. But that's what that is. So there's a reality that's quantum ghosts.

[Rachel Evans]

That's ghost.

[Tommy Bo]

That's ghosts. Because half of it's. That's ghosts. Oh, you get it now? That's ghost.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah. You do some surgery down in your basement, you get two protons pissed off, you separate them.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, I feel like that's ghosts. I feel.

[Tommy Bo]

How do you feel?

[Ian Hecox]

Ian, I'm. I'm not discounting the research you've done, but I feel like it's. It's not responsible for us to have these conversations without a. Without a physicist here.

[Tommy Bo]

Sure. I mean, you know, you're. When you're talking about particle physics, like, that's just the. The words that I just said are just like, Googleable, like, easy words. You know, if you're talking about, like, the theory of it all. Totally agree with you. Like.

[Ian Hecox]

But yeah, I had. I had a friend. I had a friend tell me about quantum entanglement. And it's very interesting.

[Tommy Bo]

It's very interesting and it's confusing and.

[Ian Hecox]

You can't explain it.

[Tommy Bo]

You can't. It's science can't explain it. That's the big thing. Like, of course I can't explain it. I'm dumb Rachel. But, like, science can't explain it, which is like, we're going to call dumb science.

[Rachel Evans]

No, I love your full name, Rachel.

[Tommy Bo]

Thank you, Rachel. Only my mom calls me that.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Ian Hecox]

Well, okay, that's. You know, it's so funny because, like, all the shit that happened this year, I did totally forget about the whole, like, the ufo, US Navy, UFO videos.

[Tommy Bo]

That was.

[Ian Hecox]

That shit was crazy. But also, like, there is the argument that, you know, all the stuff that we've seen, like, with like, Area 51 and, you know, even the Navy video. It could also be said that, that, you know, the US Government uses aliens, quote, unquote, aliens as a cover for actual secret work that they're doing. Like all those things like flying saucers and whatever. They could, could be experimental crafts that were made by humans, but they just use the COVID of aliens or, or, you know, it's unexplained. We don't know what it is to just cover for, like, an actual, just government made project.

[Tommy Bo]

That's fair.

[Rachel Evans]

That's fair.

[Tommy Bo]

I mistrust the government just as much as I believe in aliens, so that's fair to me.

[Ian Hecox]

So that's.

[Rachel Evans]

That.

[Ian Hecox]

I mean, that's always kind of been, that's always kind of been the argument of like, well, okay, yeah, people saw that thing, but it's. Maybe it was just a thing that was actually man made scarier to me. But I mean, reason. But I mean the science that's, I mean the technology that was on display with what those, those videos were showing was insane.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Because you had like this little like thing that looked like a grain of rice that suddenly accelerated like 100 times faster than anything else, like, would just change direction immediately and. Yep, no plane can do that.

[Rachel Evans]

Yes.

[Tommy Bo]

Like aliens.

[Ian Hecox]

So yeah, one could say. One could say aliens.

[Tommy Bo]

You say aliens scare you more than anything else.

[Rachel Evans]

Yes.

[Tommy Bo]

Is it because they're intelligent?

[Rachel Evans]

It's because they're physical. Because it's like. So the thing with, with the thing with ghosts is like you don't know what they're capable of. You don't know the rules. However, they are ethereal. They are, you know, extra right. They're. Well, so are aliens. But with aliens, they're like physical things that have technology, that can do things. So it's like a ghost is in my room and it's banging on the ceiling. That's scary. But what's scarier is, oh, all of a sudden I'm taken out of my room physically. I'm, you know, probed or whatever and then I'm sent back to my room and a big flash of white light happens and I don't remember it. That's worse to me. That's worse to me. So that's why I'm very scared to be like. Well, I have a whole thing about why I'm scared of aliens for real. But we don't have to get into it if it's not.

[Tommy Bo]

Why, yes, get into it. I was dying to know.

[Ian Hecox]

Get into it.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay, okay, so I am calling out my mom on this, but she knows. So are we all familiar with the movie Signs? Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Let's also keep in mind Tommy grew up in Florida. So whatever alien he might have seen could have just been a Florida man.

[Rachel Evans]

This is very true. And yeah, I have seen something. I will get into that. So yeah, man, I am a little paranormal baby. I didn't realize. I didn't realize. My mom saw the poster, like the movie poster for Signs or she saw a commercial for it or something and she thought, I'm gonna take my 10 or 11 year old son to the Movie theater to see the movie signs.

[Ian Hecox]

Sure.

[Rachel Evans]

We're in the theater. She looks around. I'm the only child. And so, yeah, about. I don't know, 20 minutes in, she realizes this is the wrong thing to do to my son.

[Ian Hecox]

But we stayed and we watched a fun alien romp.

[Rachel Evans]

No, it's not. I will forever now look at roofs of buildings at night because of that imagery. And signs of, like, the thing standing on the.

[Ian Hecox]

I hated that scene.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah. So.

[Ian Hecox]

And I'll never go to Mexico and just look down an alleyway. Oh, you know, there's, like, children.

[Rachel Evans]

Don't the. Yeah, like the freeze frame. Okay. So I leave that movie theater.

[Ian Hecox]

Okay.

[Rachel Evans]

Having thought about aliens, but never really thought about aliens. So I'm, like, broken now.

[Ian Hecox]

How. That was 10.

[Rachel Evans]

10, probably 10 or 11. I mean, it's somewhere in there. So my mom texts my dad and she's like, yeah, so that was a very scary Alien movie. And our son's kind of fucked.

[Tommy Bo]

Might be a forever thing.

[Rachel Evans]

Forever thing. And so because my father is the oldest of five children, he decides it would be very fun to hide in my room.

[Ian Hecox]

No, I love it.

[Rachel Evans]

I know.

[Ian Hecox]

Your dad is my dad.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, your dad's my dad, too.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay, great. I love this. And so my dad jumps out of my room, and he doesn't say boo, and he doesn't say what he says is aliens. And I peed a little bit, and I was so damn scared.

[Ian Hecox]

So anyway, that was the scariest thing because aliens would say that.

[Rachel Evans]

Human. Yeah. So that was that. That really, like, sent it all home in my brain. So from then on, I was like, oh, aliens, right.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

So then cut to college. I'm with three other friends, one of which is in the backseat with me. We are driving at 1am ish.

[Ian Hecox]

I don't know if it's like, rooftops.

[Rachel Evans]

Unfortunately, we're on a very small, little scary road thing. It's like. It's. Well, it's not small. It's like i95. But it's the part of 95 where it's just trees. So we're technically driving up to Georgia to see St. Vincent in concert. I look out of the. I'm on the right side and there's.

[Ian Hecox]

Like, no lights, right?

[Rachel Evans]

No lights.

[Ian Hecox]

There's no street lights. It's just tree canopy.

[Rachel Evans]

It's the lights of the headlights. Exactly. And so I look over to the car that is pulling up next to us to. You know, they're going a little bit faster than us. And as it pulls up, I Look over the dashboard. Like, radio light was on, so it's lit from, like, under, like, whatever. The. The alien that was driving the car was lit from, like, kind of under and, like, from the side. So it wasn't lit in a way where I could see its features because it's more of a silhouette thing. And so, like, sure, it's a weird silhouette. It's not an alien. But I had that, like, feeling, that, like, tummy feeling where you go, like, where your animal instincts kick in and it's like, you gotta run. That's not good. And so I had that feeling. Looked at it, by the way. Don't wanna say grasshopper shaped, but, like, picture, picture, you know, a person driving a car and you're seeing them from the side. The wrist joint was not in the right spot. It was, like halfway down the arm. So long hands or something. The head was bizarrely small on top of a, like, neck thing and, like, hanging over. It's like, as if.

[Ian Hecox]

Was there not a Comic Con that was going on, Lauren? I wish somewhere nearby.

[Rachel Evans]

I need to research that, because if that relieves me of this memory, I'll do it.

[Tommy Bo]

Homeboy was driving the car.

[Rachel Evans]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ian Hecox]

You're saying an alien was driving, like, a Toyota Corolla in the middle of the night in Florida?

[Rachel Evans]

That's what I'm saying.

[Tommy Bo]

The dude was wearing skin suits.

[Rachel Evans]

But I. So I have. The thing that makes it all horrible is I have that horrible feeling and I look away and I'm like, okay, I couldn't have seen that. There's no way I saw that. There's no way.

[Ian Hecox]

Was there anyone in the car with you?

[Rachel Evans]

Yes, there were two people in the front, one in the back with me. And I, of course, look over to my friend who is next to me, and she's going. And I'm like. And I'm like, wait, did you just fucking. She's like, did you just fucking see the alien? We're like.

[Tommy Bo]

And so.

[Rachel Evans]

And yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

So you guys followed it, right?

[Rachel Evans]

No, no. So we end up. We end up at the motel that we're staying at and we both get a pen and pad out and draw what we saw. And it's the same thing?

[Tommy Bo]

No.

[Rachel Evans]

So don't know what that was, but.

[Ian Hecox]

Are you sure it wasn't like. Maybe it was like, you know, maybe there was, like, an extermination company that was, like, just shooting a commercial where, like, a guy was dressed up as, like, a grasshopper. And then he was like. And then he Was like going. Driving back from the commercial.

[Rachel Evans]

Shoes. Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

But he couldn't take the clothes off.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah, he didn't. And he didn't have a jaw. And his wrists were wrong.

[Tommy Bo]

We didn't have a jaw.

[Rachel Evans]

We didn't have a jaw. To the people who are listening to.

[Ian Hecox]

This, they're all doing the Uru thing.

[Rachel Evans]

Touching their fingertips together.

[Tommy Bo]

It couldn't be. No. Like, I know that it's so funny that we're sitting here like, of course it was a grasshopper person, Ian.

[Ian Hecox]

If I had to wear the weird suit for some reason, maybe I'd also drive through the night in Florida and freak people out. The car.

[Rachel Evans]

Right?

[Tommy Bo]

Shrink your head and.

[Ian Hecox]

Because, like, I mean, what kind of car was it? Was it a nice car?

[Rachel Evans]

I can't say that I remember the car. It wasn't anything fancy. That's all I know. It wasn't an old. It wasn't like a. Exactly. It wasn't a rundown car, and it wasn't a fancy car. It was just a car.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, my God. That reminds me of Men in Black.

[Rachel Evans]

I was gonna say that it asked for sugar water.

[Tommy Bo]

Not the movie, the thing.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, the actual Men in Black.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes. Thank you, Tommy.

[Rachel Evans]

Thank you. Tommy, you've seen that strange video that was taken of the. There's a. There's a. Like a camp. Like a security camera footage of these two men. Do you want to take this one?

[Tommy Bo]

No. Please do.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay. And I like how we're like, you know the story. Do you want to tell it? They. I think there was a UFO sighting of some kind or some kind of thing that would draw these. But two identical men that are in black suits that are bizarrely tall. There's, like, something off about the shape of the body. But they both come in to, I believe, a hotel. I don't remember the rest of the story. Can you take it from here? I just know that that happened. That. Is that the story.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, it happened. There's. There's so many stories like this. Like, there's. Basically the men in. The idea of the Men in Black is just that they're. They're like paranormal police, right? In some way. And anytime some paranormal activity happens, they come and try to correct any sort of, like, ripple effect that may have happened in the world. And there. There's some more nefarious ideas of what they could be. They're associated with black eyed children, which.

[Rachel Evans]

Are hybrid alien children. Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Tommy, I just love you, but. Yeah. No, they come in, and then it's like they put the briefcase down, and then they disappear. It's like this. That's kind of the move. People who said that they've seen the Men in black, they describe them as having very light lilac skin and. Yep. And black eyes. Oh, God. It just freaks me out. And, you know, I. I don't. I just would prefer to live in a world where people could be wearing skin suits. Like, I want to live in this world. I know that doesn't sound right.

[Rachel Evans]

No, but me, too. It's exciting.

[Tommy Bo]

It's exciting. Are you looking at Men in black right now?

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah. Yes, you are, kind of.

[Rachel Evans]

For those listening, Ian, on his laptop, is scrolling through tons of photos of men in black. And as you would expect, most of them have that big red circle or the red arrow. Or the red arrow to point.

[Tommy Bo]

These are men in black. And they're. They're. I mean, you can see them throughout history, too. Like, there are pictures of the men in black from the, like, late 1960s and stuff.

[Rachel Evans]

There's also. I don't know the painting, so I'm going to sound like a dumb. Dumb who doesn't know anything, but there is a very old painting from Renaissance or something, and there is a UFO in it. They painted a ufo.

[Tommy Bo]

There's UFO in the corner in cave paintings as well. Cave art.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

So aliens are real. I don't know what you guys.

[Rachel Evans]

Do you believe? Not Kevin. Okay, that's a yes to me. Put me on the spot.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't want to put you on the spot. I just, like, need to understand the perspective that aliens don't exist because, like, the universe exists fundamentally.

[Rachel Evans]

There's other life. I. Fermi's paradox is the. Is the one I always refer to, so that there probably is other life out there. The universe is so, so huge.

[Tommy Bo]

Right.

[Rachel Evans]

The odds of us running into something within that amount of time is crazy. But then again, what do I know? I'm just a guy who films a podcast.

[Tommy Bo]

I mean, what do we know more than that? Look at us.

[Rachel Evans]

You're watching the Men in Black video, I see.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, that one.

[Rachel Evans]

You're just like. That's two guys.

[Ian Hecox]

Two guys in black suits.

[Tommy Bo]

Spooky.

[Ian Hecox]

Why did they choose the dress, like, in Western suit? I think it's fashion.

[Rachel Evans]

Probably the only. It's the. It's the only thing that could, like, keep all their arms in. Yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Intergalactic space cowboys.

[Ian Hecox]

So y'all believe in aliens? I believe in them. I think they exist. I don't know if they're here, but I'd say I don't Know I don't know everything. All right, so let's move on to this next question. Because I'm properly spooked. Especially after that fucking weird story.

[Tommy Bo]

That's crazy.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Cricket guy.

[Rachel Evans]

Yep.

[Ian Hecox]

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[Tommy Bo]

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[Rachel Evans]

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[Ian Hecox]

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[Rachel Evans]

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[Ian Hecox]

They this question is, have you ever used a Ouija board? 15% of you said yes. 84% of you said no.

[Tommy Bo]

So ill advised. I, like, cannot. Like, both of us are like, don't do that.

[Ian Hecox]

But guess what?

[Tommy Bo]

Don't do that.

[Ian Hecox]

Guess who has used a Ouija board.

[Rachel Evans]

No.

[Tommy Bo]

Kevin, you're not allowed on any more ghost hunts.

[Ian Hecox]

Kevin doesn't believe in ghosts. He doesn't believe in aliens and. But he believes in using Ouija board. A Ouija board?

[Rachel Evans]

It was trade.

[Ian Hecox]

It was what?

[Rachel Evans]

What's the company that makes it? Hasbro or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[Tommy Bo]

Don't use a Ouija board.

[Rachel Evans]

I was a kid, I didn't know what it was. I thought it was him on a thing. He's gonna.

[Ian Hecox]

I didn't bring anything. It was.

[Tommy Bo]

Anyways, you're gonna bring your d. Have.

[Rachel Evans]

You used a Ouija board?

[Ian Hecox]

I think so.

[Rachel Evans]

What?

[Tommy Bo]

Why?

[Ian Hecox]

Just for fun.

[Rachel Evans]

See, it's not fun.

[Ian Hecox]

I mean, like, I don't know, we just wanted. I mean, it's. It was that whole thing where you're like, huh, okay. All right. Well, somebody's definitely moving this.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay.

[Ian Hecox]

We didn't like, set up candles and like, we just busted it out and like sat down in the middle of a room. Like. Did you hold hands, broad daylight? No.

[Tommy Bo]

Then you're fine. You're fine.

[Rachel Evans]

As long as you didn't like, create the circle, the whole thing.

[Tommy Bo]

Cuz you have to break the circle. If you create the circle. If you don't break the circle, Kevin, I.

[Ian Hecox]

You're bound forever.

[Rachel Evans]

And you have to say goodbye to.

[Ian Hecox]

Buying Milton Bradley products.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, Milton Bradley.

[Tommy Bo]

No. Ouija boards are 10 out of 10. Don't mess with them.

[Rachel Evans]

Yep.

[Ian Hecox]

Aren't they just like a cardboard.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, if you. I mean, you know, a ghost is just a fart in the wind.

[Ian Hecox]

If you believe that, what kind of powers. What kind of powers would this mass produced cardboard box, like, have? Like, is it. Is it just. Is it just in your beliefs? Is it the ritual of conjuring something? Yeah, so it's, it's. It's the people getting together that do a certain thing a certain way. And a spirit's like, oh, yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

It's like the power of intention. Like, whenever people send in videos when they're like, I went on a investigation and they walk into the room and they're like, ghost. If you're here now, show yourself. Like, if you're asking for it, then they'll give it to you, baby. So with a Ouija board, like, you are asking for it and they're gonna give it to you.

[Ian Hecox]

So like, just like dmx.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, yeah. Ghost go and give it to you. The problem with a Ouija board, Ouija board, is that you can't control what comes through. If you. Again, prefaced if you believe in this kind of thing. If you don't, you're probably not putting that much energy into it anyway. But you have no control over what comes through. And any medium, any, like, I speak to dead people, person who tells you that they can control that is lying to you. So basically what you're doing with a Ouija board is just saying, hey, anything. Anything that wants to come through, come through. We're. We're welcome. We're. Well, you're welcomed here. And if you don't properly close it, which is, you gotta, like, break the bind and you have to say goodbye and then close the board. It's very polite. Then. Then you're inviting it into your life. So. And again, like, it might be an intention thing, it might be a manifestation thing, but I choose not to test the spirits.

[Ian Hecox]

Very interesting.

[Rachel Evans]

See, I experienced it. I thought it was more like a Magic 8 ball. I thought you just asked it questions and like, shake it up.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, that's what I did. I shook the board.

[Tommy Bo]

Shook the board.

[Ian Hecox]

Say, will I get. Will I have sex? Pretty much tomorrow. Who. Who does?

[Tommy Bo]

Who does Susie like?

[Ian Hecox]

And then will I kiss. Will I kiss somebody ever? Potato?

[Tommy Bo]

No. No. With a heart.

[Ian Hecox]

No.

[Rachel Evans]

No.

[Ian Hecox]

Says no.

[Rachel Evans]

Honey, you've never.

[Tommy Bo]

You've never. Right, Tommy?

[Rachel Evans]

No. So here's why. Regardless of belief or whatever, let's say it's a 0.001% chance using a Ouija board will curse me forever or unleash a demon that is too much of a chance. So I will never, ever. A Ouija board comes out, and someone's like, I'm leaving the bill. I'm leaving the building. It's over. I have had a Ouija board in front of me for a sketch that I filmed once, but there was no circle. It was kind of a thing. And yet still me and the producer person that I was working with, we keep giving the board back to each other because we're like, I think the only way to get rid of a board is to bury it. Is that correct?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, you're supposed. I mean, you know. Yeah, there's no bury it.

[Rachel Evans]

But either way, we're like, I don't want to burn it because what if that pisses off the ghost? That's same thing with me in my picture, with my painting. I'm like, I don't want to burn it because what if that's, like, upsetting it? So I'm just kind of, like, leaving it in my closet for now.

[Tommy Bo]

You have to, like, spirit. You have to, like, spirit wand it. Like, you have to pass it on.

[Rachel Evans]

I'm not. I don't know anyone who wants the painting.

[Tommy Bo]

Well, find an enemy.

[Rachel Evans]

Can I give it to James Bond? Do you think he'll take it?

[Ian Hecox]

Yes.

[Tommy Bo]

Do you believe in possession?

[Rachel Evans]

Yes and no. I think that's definitely a. You gotta believe it to let it happen.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

And I don't know about that, but apparently I believe in a succubus, so.

[Tommy Bo]

Well, at least it's happening to you.

[Rachel Evans]

I know.

[Ian Hecox]

Hey. Okay, so Ouija board. I mean, it's kind of like, just don't mess with it anyway. Because either. Either you believe it's bullshit or you believe it's real and it's dangerous, so maybe just don't buy one.

[Rachel Evans]

I love that summary. That's exactly.

[Ian Hecox]

It sounds like there's no upside to a Ouija board, so why not fun?

[Tommy Bo]

Like, they're just not fun.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, so why just play spin the bottle, kids?

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah. Then you'll. Then you'll get someone ever. That's the way to kiss someone ever.

[Ian Hecox]

Exactly. Because that's all we ever want to know is like, will I be kissed?

[Tommy Bo]

When am I gonna kiss?

[Ian Hecox]

When am I gonna kiss?

[Tommy Bo]

Please, ghost. What am I gonna kiss?

[Ian Hecox]

I don't know.

[Rachel Evans]

Now it's. So we're in the. We're in the age of Rona. Spin the bottle's pretty dangerous now.

[Ian Hecox]

That's actually very true.

[Tommy Bo]

Living on the edge, living of glory.

[Rachel Evans]

It's a dance mom's thing.

[Ian Hecox]

Do you believe in dance moms?

[Rachel Evans]

I wholeheartedly believe in dance moms. I'm possessed by dance moms.

[Ian Hecox]

Dude. If you can be possessed by Abby.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, my God, Would you. I would be a powerhouse. That I would. I would be unstoppable.

[Tommy Bo]

I wish we could, like, get her for you, you know.

[Rachel Evans]

Oh, Tommy's.

[Ian Hecox]

Tommy's ultimate hero now. She.

[Rachel Evans]

She's available.

[Ian Hecox]

Tommy's ultimate hero is Abby from Dance Moms.

[Rachel Evans]

And I know she's. She's had a lot of issues and she's got some work to do, so I know that she's had problems.

[Tommy Bo]

We love an anti hero.

[Rachel Evans]

She's an anti hero. She's. She's very evil. But I love you, Abby.

[Tommy Bo]

If you're watching this, Abby.

[Ian Hecox]

So this last question that we asked y'all is, do you think cryptids exist? So that's like Bigfoot, Loch Ness, Duende.

[Rachel Evans]

I'm very interested, as you mentioned.

[Ian Hecox]

And don't peek. Oh, 45 of you said, what do you think? Do you think it's majority people not believing?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, I think I. People don't believe in them.

[Rachel Evans]

I'm gonna say majority does not believe.

[Ian Hecox]

Well, 45% say yes.

[Tommy Bo]

That's higher than I thought.

[Ian Hecox]

39% say no.

[Rachel Evans]

Okay.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, sure.

[Ian Hecox]

And 15% said, what the.

[Tommy Bo]

That's an option. I did give. Yes. Yeah, that does make sense. I. I feel like cryptids are like the. They're silly.

[Ian Hecox]

They are like. Yeah, it's like Loch Ness and stuff.

[Tommy Bo]

Bigfoot.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, that's silly. Like, I don't know.

[Tommy Bo]

I don't know. A couple of the videos that we get sent in for the show of the. Of Bigfoot footage is terrifying. Like, there's one of similar situation, but in the daytime, these four people are in a car and they're driving, and you hear the kids in the back start screaming and they turn the camera around and there's something grotesque, because that's what it is. It's uncanny. It's grotesque that it almost looks like a person and there's something chasing after them and, like, runs up to the car. It's very.

[Ian Hecox]

What?

[Tommy Bo]

Like, it's very real looking, I should say. I'm not the family, but it runs. You check it out. Paranormal caught on camera every Sunday. Trap Channel.

[Rachel Evans]

And that Bigfoot laughed. Yeah. So funny.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, I bet. Yeah. He ran up, like, get out style. Like, ran up to the car and then, like, hard turned into the forest.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, straight up.

[Tommy Bo]

Get out Straight up.

[Ian Hecox]

Get out, Harry. Get out.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, and like, more like, geez, you know.

[Ian Hecox]

Have you seen the video of that. That goat attacking the. The bicyclist?

[Tommy Bo]

No.

[Rachel Evans]

Is it goat like.

[Ian Hecox]

It's just like that.

[Tommy Bo]

That's funny.

[Rachel Evans]

Did the bicyclist choose to live deliciously? That's the.

[Ian Hecox]

You are familiar Jack's links with that.

[Rachel Evans]

It's a. It's from the witch. The. The VV Witch? Yeah, yeah, at the end. Well, that's a spoiler, I guess. But it's. It's been that long enough. It's a meme. But the goat. The goat's like, would you like to live deliciously?

[Ian Hecox]

I don't remember that.

[Tommy Bo]

That's my number one fear of a.

[Rachel Evans]

Goat being a demon.

[Tommy Bo]

Animals talking.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, yeah, I noticed you don't like Dr. Dolittle.

[Rachel Evans]

Eliza Thornberry.

[Tommy Bo]

Not like that. I mean, like, chaos reigns, like. Like Antichrist or like. Like this where they. Anything like animorphs. Anything that animorphs morphs. I know it's anything that is a personification of an animal. Like something that give it. Giving it human, like, qualities. That's my number one fear.

[Ian Hecox]

Okay, I have. I have a question.

[Tommy Bo]

Why?

[Ian Hecox]

Because I feel like you might have some kind of answer. So when I was in Iceland, they had these, like, sort of like earth houses. So it was like this, like, old sort of dwelling that was built into, like, this rock, and it was, like, abandoned. There wasn't really any, like, signage or anything. Kind of like walked over there, and I don't think we weren't trespassing, but there was nobody else around there at the entrance were some bones on the ground. And they were like. They were like. Bones, like these little bones?

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

And they were just kind of like, placed at the entrance. And I was just like, oh, that's weird. And I just like. And I just, like, walked in. Oops. I just, like, walked in. It was all like, wet and dark.

[Tommy Bo]

You walked past bones? Yeah. Where were the. What and where. How were the bones fashioned?

[Rachel Evans]

What was the shape.

[Tommy Bo]

What was the shape of the bones?

[Ian Hecox]

They seem like they're just kind of like, placed there, but they like.

[Tommy Bo]

Like in a straight line in front of the door next to the door next to it.

[Rachel Evans]

So it wasn't a barrier. It was just like a little pile. Like someone had some chickens.

[Ian Hecox]

Not like a pile, but there was just some, like, scattered bones, it seemed.

[Tommy Bo]

And it was actively wet inside of the place.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, because it's. I mean, okay, but.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, that sounds like a ritual or an altar at least in certain beliefs.

[Ian Hecox]

Well, so. So then I walked in and it was, like, really creepy and stuff. There wasn't really anything to see in there, but it was like this really cool thing that was built into, like, this crack in this earth. So we walk out and we kind of like walk up the hill. And my friend is, like, walking in front of me. We're trying to get like, another look at it because it seemed like there's maybe like, another way in or something. We walk up the hill and. And then I'm, like, walking up, but I'm, like, looking at the ground. I'm like, oh. And there was just a dead, like, decomposing sheep. Like.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, hi.

[Ian Hecox]

Right there.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes, that is a ritual.

[Rachel Evans]

Did it have all of its bones?

[Ian Hecox]

I think so, yeah. It was like.

[Tommy Bo]

Did it look gutted or did it look like it was just dead?

[Ian Hecox]

It looked like it just kind of like it had like. I think it had a tag, like, for its. Like, because it was. It seemed like maybe it got out of, like, it's something. But it looked like it just kind of like walked up the hill and just like, meh.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. I mean, with rituals and stuff like that, like, that sounds like. To me, that sounds like a ritual. Like, that sounds.

[Ian Hecox]

It wasn't in any sort of, like, specific place, you know, it wasn't like. It was just kind of like, clearing.

[Tommy Bo]

It was just dead.

[Ian Hecox]

It was just like, up along the side of this, like, hill. But the bones is what, like, was super weird. And I was like, why would just some assorted bones be sitting here? But I guess, you know, animals die in places.

[Tommy Bo]

And also there are certain things that, like, outside of the paranormal, religiously there are certain. I can't tell you which one. But I know that if you put bones, it's like a signifier of like, a death protection. Basically. You're using death against itself. So they put it to protect themselves. Kind of like Passover, how Jews put the lamb's blood over their door so the angel of death would pass over their house. Kind of like that. So very cute, very cool. When it comes to, like, ritual sacrifice of animals, that's some bullshit like that. That's the stuff that makes me mad, personally.

[Rachel Evans]

From someone who was not there at all and have just heard the story.

[Tommy Bo]

True, true, true.

[Rachel Evans]

Doesn't sound like a ritual to me. Sounds like there was a little pile of bones.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, I think maybe there's just some Icelandic dude, he hit the kfc, then he drove out to the country size.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, they were that small.

[Ian Hecox]

I Don't remember how big they were. It was just really creepy.

[Tommy Bo]

My brain paints pictures where there is none. Like, if there's a blank canvas, like, I'll give you. I'll give you a satanic ritual. Sure. Oh, yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

Do you have a picture of it? Are you pulling out the bones?

[Ian Hecox]

I don't think I took a picture of the bones.

[Tommy Bo]

Show me them bones.

[Ian Hecox]

It was like a jaw. Looks like a jawbone.

[Tommy Bo]

Okay, you're gonna. You're gonna sit here and tell me that's normal, Tommy.

[Rachel Evans]

So right now, Ian just showed Tommy and Rachel a picture that he took.

[Tommy Bo]

Just some teeth.

[Ian Hecox]

It's like. Yeah, it's like a lower jaw of, like, a sheep or something.

[Rachel Evans]

That's a ritual.

[Tommy Bo]

I'm just saying.

[Rachel Evans]

We're backtracking.

[Tommy Bo]

That's the vovich.

[Rachel Evans]

Sorry, that's the vivich.

[Tommy Bo]

I'm just saying.

[Rachel Evans]

That's a.

[Ian Hecox]

That.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, that's a. That's a witch's house.

[Ian Hecox]

So it's wrong. I mean, it's just like. Imagine just like a really creepy looking. I mean, I thought it was really cool. I think these.

[Rachel Evans]

These.

[Ian Hecox]

These Earth houses that are in Iceland are really, really, really cool. But this one was built into, like, this giant rock, and so it actually goes inside.

[Tommy Bo]

How old was it?

[Ian Hecox]

I don't know, because that goes back to 1600s maybe. I'm not sure.

[Tommy Bo]

Because that's the thing about old dwellings like that, is that they also believed in some sort of ritual. Like, they didn't have science in the way that we have science. And so certain things, they thought that they could, like, ritual away.

[Ian Hecox]

Like this ritual of putting bras on a fence post.

[Tommy Bo]

Yes, that's the spookiest ritual.

[Ian Hecox]

Before we finish, we have a. A shoot, dude. Is this a spooky shoot, dude?

[Rachel Evans]

No, you know, there wasn't a spooky shoot. Well, all shoe dudes are spooky in some regard.

[Tommy Bo]

Right?

[Ian Hecox]

All right, well, then let's. Let's do the sh.

[Rachel Evans]

Shoot, dude. Shoot, dude.

[Tommy Bo]

Shoot, dude.

[Rachel Evans]

Shoot, dude.

[Tommy Bo]

Shoot, dude.

[Ian Hecox]

That was good.

[Tommy Bo]

Thank you.

[Ian Hecox]

This one comes from Joseph. I was the type of kid who pulled all kinds of shenanigans growing up and blessed my poor mother for having to deal with me. So we were at a Sam's Club shopping for whatever at that time. And I had seen a toy I really wanted. I think it was like a Mighty Morphin's Power Ranger toy or something, because that's what the kids do when they're shopping. Kids be shopping, they want stuff they won't get. So I Begged my mom and got the typical mom answer of, no, you don't need that. But rotten me was not having that answer. So in the middle of a somewhat crowded Sam's Club, I shouted, help me. Help me. Somebody's trying to steal me. And all eyes were on my mom at this point, who was just dumbfounded that I would even have the nerve to say something so stupid. That's when store security came and took us back into the security area to try to sort all of this out. Several calls later, police being involved and the mess getting cleared up. All the while my mom being embarrassed to the core of raising such a rotten child. I still didn't get the toy I wanted. Shoot, dude.

[Rachel Evans]

Shoot, dude.

[Tommy Bo]

Shoot, dude. Kids.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah, I'll do anything.

[Tommy Bo]

Kids.

[Rachel Evans]

That's.

[Ian Hecox]

Help me, help me. Somebody's trying to steal me. All because he couldn't get a toy.

[Rachel Evans]

But, like, where does. Where did he get that idea? Was that the. Was that, like, the mom being like, if someone ever steals you, you're gonna scream, I'm being stolen?

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

And so he's like, got it. That this will get me the toy.

[Ian Hecox]

That's some evil. That's some evil kid shit.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes kids do things that are like, that's exceptionally evil.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, that was. That's good.

[Tommy Bo]

They don't know. Consequences, consequence.

[Ian Hecox]

Damn.

[Tommy Bo]

He's still not allowed to go to the store. Yikes.

[Ian Hecox]

Dude.

[Rachel Evans]

Did you guys ever pull anything like that when you were younger?

[Tommy Bo]

God, no.

[Rachel Evans]

No. I was a good little kid.

[Ian Hecox]

One time I said the F word in front of my mom when I was a little kid, and I, like, immediately started freaking out because I knew that that was not okay. I mean, I think. I think because of the level of remorse that I showed instantly upon saying that word. I don't. I don't remember being punished for it, but I remember being very scared of being punished.

[Tommy Bo]

Were you punished much as a kid?

[Ian Hecox]

No. I feel like there was always the threat of punishment, and I was a pretty good boy because I was a younger brother. So I usually let my sister kind of, like, figure out what was. What was the not good thing to do and then try to learn from that.

[Rachel Evans]

One time, I was making a scene at a Red Lobster, and my parents said, if you keep making the scene, we're going to go home. And I was like. And I kept making the scene, and they took me home. We only had biscuits. And I learned that moment.

[Ian Hecox]

Are you sure your parents just didn't do that? So they can get free biscuits? And then they put the Blame on you. They're like, let's make them act real weird.

[Tommy Bo]

We're so sorry. Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Those free biscuits.

[Rachel Evans]

You're probably right. You're probably right. They just want some biscuits.

[Ian Hecox]

They just wanted some biscuits and cheesy biscuits. Well, guys, that was. That was the Shoot dude. Send us your shoot dudes at Shoot dude smosh dot com. That's S H o dash o dash T D D O O D Mosh dot com. And you might be seeing some shoot dude merch pretty soon.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, my God. You dropped the bomb.

[Ian Hecox]

We might be. Should I not drop the bomb?

[Tommy Bo]

No, I think you can.

[Ian Hecox]

You're the social expert.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

You can do a marketing person.

[Tommy Bo]

Drop it up.

[Ian Hecox]

I mean, I'm just gonna drop a little hint.

[Tommy Bo]

She did.

[Ian Hecox]

Working on some shoot.

[Tommy Bo]

We have a lot in the pike. We have a lot coming up. March wise.

[Ian Hecox]

You say we don't pike.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, it's pike or pipe.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, interesting.

[Tommy Bo]

I know. They don't know which one it is.

[Rachel Evans]

We had to look it up during a meeting once.

[Tommy Bo]

That was it completely.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah, the meeting completely stopped because we were like, pike. And then.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah, could be both.

[Rachel Evans]

So anyway, there's merch in the store.

[Ian Hecox]

Merch in the store. There is merch in the store. Wow. Thank you for just the spookiest. Most. There's some. I'm worried. I'm worried for both of you guys.

[Tommy Bo]

Me too.

[Rachel Evans]

Yeah.

[Ian Hecox]

Not for your man. Not like I. That I don't believe you're saying. I'm worried about you mentally, Tommy. I'm legitimately worried about my little.

[Rachel Evans]

My little sucky.

[Ian Hecox]

I think it's.

[Tommy Bo]

Yeah.

[Rachel Evans]

Dude, did it start happening after you.

[Ian Hecox]

Brought that creepy animatronic horse home?

[Rachel Evans]

No, no, no, no.

[Ian Hecox]

That's good. I wouldn't want you to throw that out.

[Tommy Bo]

Me neither. I love that. Everyone loves it.

[Rachel Evans]

Its ear fell off yesterday.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh, no.

[Rachel Evans]

Yay.

[Ian Hecox]

It's hitting puberty.

[Tommy Bo]

Just limbs keep falling up.

[Ian Hecox]

That didn't happen to you guys.

[Rachel Evans]

You're just. You just have a little hole on the side of your head.

[Tommy Bo]

Like, oops, you grow a new one.

[Ian Hecox]

Yeah, just like teeth.

[Tommy Bo]

You know, honestly, I'm scared, too. I'm doing an investigation on the 1st.

[Ian Hecox]

All right. Well, yeah.

[Tommy Bo]

Of Queen Mary, but they're shutting it down.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh.

[Tommy Bo]

For me and. Me and two other girls on the show. They're gonna shut down the boat and we're gonna come do an investigation. And I am boot dude.

[Ian Hecox]

Oh, yeah. Smosh games. When did the Queen Mary thing? A couple years ago. And they were. They're positively spooked. And Mari chipped her tooth.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh no.

[Rachel Evans]

Where tooth?

[Ian Hecox]

Dude, I think. I think she chipped her tooth there in Queen Mary.

[Tommy Bo]

Oh my God.

[Ian Hecox]

They're running around being dumb.

[Tommy Bo]

No, I don't think I'm allowed to do that. I'm have EVPs.

[Ian Hecox]

All right, well, I wish you the best of beeps and boops on the Queen Mary.

[Tommy Bo]

Thanks.

[Ian Hecox]

And all your future endeavors. I hope that creepy lady in your stairway goes away. Tommy.

[Rachel Evans]

Thank you.

[Ian Hecox]

Thank you guys so much. This has been an illuminating experience and I hope you guys learned something or are spooked. Have a spooktacular Halloween.

[Rachel Evans]

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[Rachel Evans]

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