Fire Escape: The Crash EP1

Summary

Snap Judgment: Fire Escape – The Crash (EP1)

Date: April 21, 2026
Host: Anna Sussman
Featured Guest: Amika Mota

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Overview

Theme/Purpose:
The first episode of the "Fire Escape" series takes listeners inside one of the largest women’s prisons in the world—California’s Central California Women’s Facility (CCWF)—to follow Amika Mota, an incarcerated woman who became a firefighter behind bars. The episode explores Amika’s harrowing first call as a prison firefighter, the traumatic crash that landed her in prison, and the emotional, psychological, and familial impacts of incarceration for women. Through Amika's story, the episode asks: “What if society’s so-called villains became our heroes?”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Amika’s First Call as a Firefighter

• First Day, First Call (02:31 – 06:50)
  • Amika recounts her first fire crew call as an inmate firefighter, involving a deadly car crash in heavy Central Valley fog.
  • Amika’s Prayer: “I was just talking to God, like, please let me be able to handle this. Please give me the strength to maintain some composure.” (04:26)
  • Facing tragedy up close — Amika and her crew, despite being “the girls that do the dirty work,” are tasked with pulling bodies from the wreckage. Even seasoned firefighters are visibly shaken.

2. Life as an Incarcerated Firefighter

• Station 5 – Life Inside CCWF (07:22 – 08:57)

  • Station 5 is located inside the prison. Amika and eleven other incarcerated women live, train, and work under constant surveillance—reminders of their lack of freedom abound.
  • “We’re firefighters, but we’re incarcerated … we could not look outside without seeing the towers and the barbed wire.” (07:58, Amika)

• Prison Routine and Identity:

  • Amika describes “count time,” the daily rollcall where all incarcerated persons must be present.
  • “What Was your number?” — “X32168.” (08:44)

3. Shame and Social Expectations on Incarcerated Women

• Narrative of Shame (08:57 – 11:15)
  • Host Anna Sussman contextualizes the compounded shame felt by incarcerated women, especially mothers—shame perpetuated by society, corrections officers, and even loved ones.
  • Amika: “You broke the social contract with the whole world when you went to prison and left your kids… There's no going back. There's none. I can only move forward.” (10:45)

4. Amika’s Life Before Prison and The Crash

• Dreams of Family, Suddenly Shattered (12:07 – 14:41)
  • Amika shares glowing memories of raising her children in a quiet mountain town, before the night in 2008 when she ran a red light, resulting in a fatal crash.
  • Her trauma in the hospital and immediate arrest are described in vivid detail.
  • “I remember waking up and… handcuffed to the bed. …I had killed somebody in this accident. And I didn't believe him.” (13:45)

5. The Isolation and Trauma of Jail

• Physical and Emotional Ordeal (14:41 – 17:18)
  • Amika recounts being tossed into the jail shower while unable to stand, picking glass from her scalp, and enduring the pain and isolation of county jail.
  • On Not Seeing Her Children: “It felt more harmful. Like I would be harming them more [by seeing them through the glass].” (16:50 – 17:18)

6. Conviction and Sentencing

• Preparing for Prison Life (17:18 – 24:25)
  • Amika pleads guilty to avoid a drawn-out trial and possibly harsher sentence; writes a moving letter to her kids about her uncertain future.
  • Courtroom Impact: Amika describes hearing the victim’s family’s statements at sentencing.
    • “They were disgusted by me… there was no room for me to think about that either. …I owed it to them. Maybe. I don't know if that was the right thing to do.” (22:59)
  • She is ultimately sentenced to 9 years and 8 months for vehicular manslaughter.
  • On Redemption: “The judge just talking about… this was not about rehabilitation, this was about punishment. …It felt like there was a message in there that I was not redeemable.” (24:25, Amika)

7. Adjusting to Life Inside Prison

• Arrival at CCWF (26:00 – 28:21)
  • Amika details the overcapacity and challenges inside CCWF—crowded dorms, inadequate care, and the symbolism of “going over the wall” to the main yard.
  • Keeps photos of her kids in her locker, glued up with toothpaste, as an anchor to her previous life.
  • “I could see their faces, …I could smell them. …That's what I would miss, you know.” (26:52, Amika)

8. Struggles with Prison Discipline & The Pain of Maternal Separation

• Write-Ups and Solitary (28:21 – 32:45)

  • Repeated, sometimes seemingly arbitrary, disciplinary actions (“write-ups”) by guards steal away any hope of contact visits with her children.
  • On Correctional Staff: “It's always they want something—nah, fuck you, you can't get your wash slot today cause you looked at me funny…” (28:42, Amika)
  • After a fight in the day room (“throwing punches… the worst place you could fight”), Amika is classified as “failure to program,” put in solitary for 40 days, and loses her chance for a long-awaited contact visit with her kids.

• Motherhood from Afar:

  • “There became a point when I realized that being the type of mom I wanted to be to my kids from the inside was impossible. ... I had to figure out who I was now.” (32:45, Amika)

9. Glimpses Beyond the Prison Walls

• Longing for Another Life (33:42 – End)
  • Amika reflects on the divide between her world and that of the free staff living just outside the prison gates, imagining what life could look like beyond incarceration.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Amika’s First Scene on the Job:
  “My first car accident was a triple fatality… We don't quite know how to take care of ourselves. …It’s just kind of a really silent ride home.” (06:50)

• On Internalized Shame:
  “Once you break this social contract, that's it. ... Regardless of all of the ways they feel about me, ... I can only move forward.” (10:45)

• On the Courtroom and Victim's Family:
  “I took their life and, you know, and I did the same to my family. ... So it was a really fucked up feeling.” (19:55 – 21:10, condensed)

• On Solitary and Motherhood:
  “There became a point when I realized that being the type of mom I wanted to be to my kids from the inside was impossible. ... It was a new version of me that I had to figure out who I was. Now.” (32:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | | --------------------------------------------------- | ------------- | | Amika’s first fire call, crash rescue | 02:31 – 06:50 | | Description of life at CCWF/Station 5 | 07:22 – 08:57 | | Shame of incarceration for women | 08:57 – 11:15 | | Amika’s life before prison and night of the crash | 12:07 – 14:41 | | Trauma and isolation in jail | 14:41 – 17:18 | | Letters home, decision to plead | 17:26 – 19:01 | | Courtroom testimony, sentencing, impact | 19:33 – 24:25 | | Entering prison, keeping family close | 26:00 – 28:21 | | Write-ups, discipline, loss of visitation rights | 28:21 – 32:45 | | Self-reflection, longing for the world outside | 33:42 – 34:25 |

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Tone and Storytelling

The episode is told with a raw, personal tone—channeling both Amika’s vulnerability and hard-earned resilience. The narration weaves her memories, letters, and reflections with on-the-ground realities, placing listeners in the “passenger seat” of her journey.

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Conclusion

Fire Escape: The Crash introduces listeners to Amika’s world—a realm shaped by tragedy, guilt, hope, and the relentless struggle for dignity within and beyond prison walls. The episode sets up a deeper exploration of transformation, agency, and the human cost of incarceration, with Amika’s story charting the possibility of becoming both hero and outcast.

This is the first of a six-part series, with future episodes promising to delve deeper into Amika’s journey as an incarcerated firefighter—and what it takes to find redemption and self-worth when the world says you are irredeemable.

Transcript

[Anna Sussman]

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[Anna Sussman]

Snap Nation I am so proud to finally bring you a Snap Judgment storytelling event. It's a journey that brings us behind the walls of one of the largest women's prisons on earth and into the passenger seat of an all female fire crew as they respond to real emergencies. It's a story of death, birth, and of a woman who stands at the gates to both. And it's a story that asks the question, what if we took society's villains and made them society's heroes? Sensitive listeners are advised.

[Narrator]

Okay, let's start with Tell me everything you remember about your first call.

[Amika Mota]

It was fall, during the really foggy, foggy season. And so the fog Was really, really heavy. And so, you know, in the fire engine on the way to the call, we could hardly see, the fog was so thick. And we had heard that there was a cotton truck involved. It was like a four lane highway, and it was a cotton truck that had been rear ended by somebody else and kind of spun out and the cotton bales fell off onto the freeway.

[Narrator]

911, what's your emergency? The call came in to Madeira County Station 5. It sits in the flatlands of California's central valley, lined with rows and rows of aging almond trees. The firefighters at Station 5 were the closest to the scene.

[Amika Mota]

You know, the routine is it comes in over. The call comes in over dispatch, and you get suited and booted real quick. So you get your. Your full turnout gear on. It's your real heavy gear. And then we all jump in the engine. And I was nervous. It was my first, you know, car accident. And I know the captains and the chief were a little bit nervous about me coming to this scene too.

[Narrator]

Driving down the highway, Ameca and the other women on the engine were quiet, lined up, four on each side of the truck, knees touching in the middle with their helmets on their laps. The equipment on the engine was rattling, and they strained to hear the information over the radio from what they heard. It was a very fragile scene.

[Amika Mota]

I was just talking to God, like, please let me be able to handle this. Please give me the strength to maintain some composure.

[Narrator]

And did you have the feeling of, like, feeling eyes on you?

[Amika Mota]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. They were definitely like, you know, checking in with me on the way. And I remember chief looking at me at one point, and he's like, honey, you look like a deer in the headlights. You know, we roll on scene and I can see a man's. And he already had that look of death, which is just that color, the shade of gray to his face. My heart is pounding at this point. It's like, okay, we don't. I don't know what else I'm gonna see.

[Narrator]

The other fire stations around the town were also called and their fire crews were starting to show up.

[Amika Mota]

There's other engines on scene that have rolled up now and firefighters that have been on the job for 20 years. And this was such a bad SC that there was a couple of the firefighters, the old head, experienced firefighters that were sick on the side of the road. Literally sick. And so we're watching them. But our job as the first engine on scene and as the girls that do the dirty work is pulling the bodies. That's our job. So I approach with the captains and the other firefighters, and I can see in the back seat two more bodies. I'm praying because I don't know what to do to kind of. I feel like we have to keep some reverence to this moment, too, because it's so intense. As this whole family that has passed.

[Narrator]

Amika and the other firefighters cut open the car. Inside was a family of three, all adults. Carefully, they removed their bodies and placed them on the grass and covered them with yellow sheets.

[Amika Mota]

I wasn't prepared for that, being the beginning of my experience at the firehouse. And so at that point, it was like, I'm a baby firefighter, and I just. My first car accident was a triple fatality. We don't quite know how to take care of ourselves. We don't quite know how to get home and tell the other crew about what we just saw. It's just kind of a really silent ride home.

[Narrator]

The place Amica and the other firefighters call home is actually inside a prison. It's called Madeir County Station 5 CCWF. And it's a little brick firehouse with two engines and a handful of rolled hoses, a bunk room with 12 neatly made cots, a little open kitchen, and a captain's office. And there, 12 incarcerated women train and work out, wash fire trucks, and go to sleep all inside the barbed wire fence of one of the largest women's prisons in the world, the Central California Women's Facility. Ccwf.

[Amika Mota]

We're firefighters, but we're incarcerated, you know, and we lived with correctional officers. Still, we were not free. And our view into the prison gates reminded us of that, like, every day. You know what I mean? We couldn't look outside without seeing the towers and the barbed wire.

[Narrator]

Is there a moment when they kind of lock you in?

[Amika Mota]

Yeah. So count time. We get counted the same as everybody else on the inside. And so count time is when the sergeant comes through and everybody needs to be on their bunk and accounted for, basically.

[Narrator]

What Was your number?

[Amika Mota]

X32168.

[Narrator]

From Wondry and Snap Studios at kqed. I'm Anna Sussman, and this is Fire Escape, the story of a woman whose world burned down, and then she learned to fight fire from behind bars. This is episode one, the Crash. There were nearly 2,000 women locked inside the Central California Women's Facility at the time Amika entered. Women at all custody levels. Women serving sentences for crimes ranging from embezzlement to homicide to possession of drugs. And when I first began interviewing women here about 20 years ago, they would each always tell me the same thing about the shame they endured as women prisoners. They had let down their families, their parents, their children. They felt they had failed as women. It's something corrections officers taunt them about, something their kids, friends, parents make comments about. I remember interviewing a woman under the shadow of the high prison wall and her saying casually, where women were not supposed to commit crimes, were not supposed to be here. And that comment meant so many things about women who are convicted of crimes and imprisoned and what everyone thinks of them forever. When I first met Amika, it was clear she was very aware of this narrative.

[Amika Mota]

You broke the social contract with the whole world when you went to prison and left your kids. Like, that is the most real thing ever. Like, once you break this social contract, that's it. Like, that's just how it's perceived right from the world and by us when we internalize this. And regardless of all of the ways they feel about me, it's like, there's no going back. There's none. I can only move forward.

[Narrator]

When Amica talked about the calls she responded to as an incarcerated first responder, it seemed hers was a story of defying a system intent on burying her under the weight of her worst moment. Out on the fire trucks, Amika and the other women are basically heroes. Pulling children out of crumpled cars, climbing into burning homes with a hose and an axe, picking up elderly folks who had fallen in their kitchens, saving the lives of their jailers and their families. When they ride past schoolyards with fire truck lights spinning, kids cheer, and then they drive into the prison gates. Before amica was inmate X32168, she lived in the mountains of Kern County, California, in a three bedroom house.

[Amika Mota]

The front thing was a whole porch all the way around the front, like a wraparound porch. Yeah, it was really beautiful. I loved that house. It was kind of a dream house.

[Narrator]

Amika was 29 years old, and she had three kids. And she had just moved to the countryside to try to slow down and focus on her kids and focus on being a mom.

[Amika Mota]

Yeah. So Tehachapi is just these high desert mountains, a lot of rolling hills, really beautiful. You can see the shadows on the hills from the clouds.

[Narrator]

She'd walk her older kids to the school bus every morning, and on weekends, they'd go hunt for snakes or go to her son's football games.

[Amika Mota]

I had big dreams of, like, taking care of the home and having a garden and having nice meals, and I tried. I liked the idea of It. I did. I had idealized the idea of living in a small town, taking care of my kids, taking care of my house.

[Narrator]

And then on a warm night in October 2008, driving down Lincoln Avenue in Cypress, California, everything changed.

[Amika Mota]

I do remember approaching the light that I ran and, like, seeing the light. I don't remember if I saw it red, but I just. I. Like I was gonna burn through it. And it. I didn't see any other vehicles. And then that was when I hit Mr.

[Anna Sussman]

Car.

[Amika Mota]

It's like glimpses. I remember glimpses of coming into the hospital and, like, waking up in between the surgery and, like, seeing. I rem. I remember the families I would see in the hallway. And I remember waking up and that's like, handcuffed to the bed. So there was sheriff deputies on, you know, one side of the bed and outside the door. So you could see two outside the door and one right next to me. And he let me know that I was. That I was under arrest and that I had killed somebody in this accident. And I didn't believe him. Like, I remember just not. It just didn't register. None of it felt real. It didn't feel true. It didn't like, what do you mean, I killed somebody? Like, that just sounded so crazy to me. And that was when it starts unfolding.

[Narrator]

Amica had a broken pelvis, a lacerated liver, and a punctured lung from the hospital. After multiple surgeries, she was led into a sheriff's van and taken to the Orange County Jail.

[Amika Mota]

And, you know, the deputies just kind of tossed me around. I was pushed into the shower and so fell to my knees because I couldn't stand. I remember the shower coming on. I had chunks of glass still stuck in my scalp, and as I was showering, those chunks were coming out of my hand. So that moment of showering was also this intense. I just. I was realizing all of it moment by moment.

[Narrator]

She was put into an isolation cell, and isolation.

[Amika Mota]

It was room 13. I won't forget that. The wing I was in, I could hear people screaming through the vents. My body was just in so much pain that it was, you know, on a thin mat, curled up with my wool blanket and just shivering.

[Narrator]

Over the next days and weeks in the Orange County Jail, she was moved into a medical unit to recover from the accident and the surgeries. And from there she was moved to a two person cell. She was allowed into a day room for two hours where she could read the newspaper and shower. And then she was returned to her small cell. Eventually, she was Given a public defender and told more details about the case against her, she could be convicted of second degree murder. She waited in the county jail month after month. The only way she could have seen her kids would have been in a visiting room separated by a thick glass window.

[Amika Mota]

You know, like, I couldn't imagine looking at my little 6 year old that was already, like, could not make sense of where I was or why her mom was sitting in a box like that. And then, like, I mean, I would, like, envision her, like, trying to touch me or, you know, like, no, that shit was not gonna happen. Like, it felt. It felt more harmful. Like I would be harming them more

[Narrator]

than not seeing them.

[Amika Mota]

Than not seeing them.

[Narrator]

She wrote letters home to her kids. This one was after she'd been locked up for six months waiting for her trial.

[Amika Mota]

There was one. This one was like, when I got sentenced, that was intense to read. Yeah, it's. This is to all three of them. So as far as I go, I pled guilty to the charges against me last Friday. I could have kept fighting them, but it felt like it was the right choice. Now there's what's called an open sentence. The judge gets to decide how much time to give me. The most time that I would do is 13 years and eight months with good time credit. It's actually just over 10 years. And that's the worst case scenario. He could choose to give me less time. He chooses that on May 8th. That's the day I'm sentenced to. It's a big day, and it won't be a lot clearer after that, what the future holds for us. But either way, I'll be going to state prison, which is a whole different ballpark than county jail. And then at the end of the summer, you guys should be able to come and visit for a weekend trip. I can't wait to hug all three of you. That sounds like heaven to me. So for that reason alone, I'm excited that I get to go to prison. Anyway, that's the scoop. May 8th is the big day. I love you so much.

[Narrator]

More Fire Escape after the break. Stay tuned. Welcome back to Snap Judgment. My name is Anna Sussman. Today we're listening to our series Fire Escape already in progress. On May 8, she was led to the courthouse one final time for her sentencing.

[Amika Mota]

During the sentencing in Orange county, they, you know, I was shackled and sitting in a cage off the side of the judge, and so I could see his family. I could see my family, but it was through a glass panel and bars

[Narrator]

we won't be using the victim's name in the story to protect his identity.

[Amika Mota]

His wife was in the courtroom, and I remember them talking about, you know, who he was. He was a pilot and flew in the Air Force here. So he'd done all this amazing stuff in his life. And. I remember his wife, you know, saying that he was just about to retire and that they were going to have that. She was so excited to have some time with her husband because he worked so hard his whole life. He was like a grandfather, a father, and I could relate to that. You know, like, he had done his life. He put in his dues, he daily grind, day in, day out, taking care of his family, and he was just about to reap those rewards. You know, I had taken their whole life from them, basically. And so, I mean, that sitting in the courtroom, it was like, I took their life and, you know, and I did the same to my family. It was like I wiped out two families completely. So it was a really fucked up feeling. I knew that sentencing was about what I was going to walk away with, but I knew that that was their opportunity to address me. And so that was the most important piece of that, was allowing them to address me and make sure I looked them in the eye because I didn't want them to feel like I wasn't hearing them or taking what they were saying. I don't think they wanted to look at me much. You know, they shook their head and discussed often, like, didn't really want to look at me, but I felt like I owed it to them. Maybe. I don't know if that was the right thing to do. Yeah, I think I addressed the court at some point, too. And then that is like, what do you even say? What do you say? Because it feels like at that point, it's some performance, like you're supposed to say something that sounds like this and like none of it is even. It's like, I don't even know. So I don't remember what I said

[Narrator]

amica's words to the court that day with this. I've never had the chance to express how sorry I am to Mr. Family. No words will heal your hurt and bring back your father and your grandfather. But from the deepest part of my soul, I am so very sorry.

[Amika Mota]

At that point, I was hated. They were disgusted by me. And so that there was no room for me to think about that either. To think about when, to think about any making of amends that I could do with the family or reaching. I mean, actually, I Remember, like, asking my attorney at one point, like, can I reach out to them or. And he was like, absolutely not.

[Narrator]

Amica waited for her sentence in the Orange County Jail. She talked to her God, she talked to her kids on the phone, tell them she didn't know when she'd be home. She'd talk to her victim. So what would you say?

[Amika Mota]

I would thank him, you know, for a chance, another shot. I still haven't talked about this. I mean, I felt very grateful to be alive. And I feel like. Like, I don't know, like I felt like I was allowed to live at the. At the sake of his life.

[Narrator]

Amica was convicted of vehicular manslaughter. She was sentenced to nine years and eight months in California State Prison.

[Amika Mota]

The thing that I, that always will stick with me is the judge just talking about, you know, letting me know that this was not about rehabilitation, this was about punishment. It wasn't like there was no hope, but kind of like that, like, it felt like there was a message in there that I was not redeemable coming back from sentencing. I was walked through the jail and when I was brought into my unit, you know, there was about 32 other women that I'd been with for that last year. So I walked in, everybody was waiting to see what had happened. And I fell to my knees and I screamed and, you know, 10 years, in just 10 years. 10 years. 10 years, This one. I have so much to say to each of you, but I can't put it all on paper now. I'm waiting for the prison bus. They come every Sunday to pick up the girls that are waiting to go to prison. So any Sunday now, I could go. I'll have a new address and a new prisoner number. Every day now is a day closer to seeing you all. That's what keeps me going. Every day I feel strong and I know we will all be okay.

[Narrator]

Amika began serving her 10 year sentence in the polka dot moo moo women are dressed in when they go over the wall.

[Amika Mota]

Over the wall is what they call it. And it's just going over the wall to the main yard. In prison.

[Narrator]

The prison was over capacity. Some women were pregnant, some were living with hiv, some were in need of psych care or methadone. And people were triple bunked, some even housed in boiler rooms. Amika was walked to her dorm shackled at the legs and the wrist and the waist, and handed a blanket and some clothes. One of the first things she did when she got there was she took a little paper Envelope of pictures of her kids, Milo, Soleil and Blossom. And she took a tube of toothpaste and put a little dot of toothpaste on the back of each picture and hung them up in her locker where she could see them all the time.

[Amika Mota]

I could see their face. I'd see their faces, I could smell them. I could like feel their skin and their hair. That's what I would miss, you know.

[Narrator]

Sometimes she would take the pictures out of her locker and lie on her

[Amika Mota]

bunk and just hold them on my bunk, headphoned up. There was a picture of my youngest. It was like a close up shot of her face and just all her little freckles on her nose and like, I would just, you know, kiss that picture and like stare at her little freckles.

[Narrator]

She could finally have a contact visit. She'd been locked up for almost a year, and now that she was out of county jail and in state prison, she could visit them without a pane of glass in between them.

[Amika Mota]

I knew I was really close to being able to see my kids and hold them and hug them in person.

[Narrator]

Amica's papa was going to bring the kids for a visit, all three of them. They'd been living with him at the time. And he booked a flight and packed their bags. And Amika thought she could hold on just a little bit longer and wait it out until she got that visit. But waiting it out was harder than she realized. What Amica didn't yet understand was that inside prison, there's an invisible and changing set of rules predicated often on the whims of the guards.

[Amika Mota]

Like in a month period of time, I managed to get three write ups. And I didn't feel like I was acting out in the yard or acting crazy. I just really. It didn't feel that way.

[Narrator]

A write up is a punishment for breaking a rule, she said. It was as if the COs were everywhere.

[Amika Mota]

Like, you can't just go be. You can't just be. It's always they want something like, nah, fuck you, you can't get your wash slot today cause you looked at me funny. Or no, you can't get your phone call today because you didn't flirt back. You know, it's like every green suit wasn't human. He was part of this prison machine.

[Narrator]

She calls them green cops because they wore green uniforms. She says there were a few in particular she knew to avoid.

[Amika Mota]

There was one guy on the yard that was, you know, one of those ones that he was, he was not horrible, but he was just really Kind of a dick. Buy the book.

[Narrator]

She knew him as the stickler. He had this graying hair, and he was older, like in his mid-60s.

[Amika Mota]

Uh, don't engage at all. Just kind of look at you like a piece of shit. Wouldn't make eye contact when you walked by.

[Narrator]

Amika tried to navigate around him, keeping her head low. She'd go to the mess hall and the law library. Her work assignment, the yard, and back to her cell. But she kept getting in trouble everywhere. And every time she'd get written up, the punishments would escalate. And then one time, a few weeks in, she saw this thing happening in front of her, and she felt she had no choice but to get involved.

[Amika Mota]

I was getting ready to go in the shower, so I had my shower shoes on and a moo moo. There was this old woman that was a porter.

[Narrator]

Porter is one of the jobs for incarcerated women. A porter would clean up after people.

[Amika Mota]

And she was very old, like probably 70 something years. Just very, like, old and frail, and it's, like, hard to even watch her work in prison. So she had taken my sidecar's towel from the shared showers.

[Narrator]

And your sidecar is the person who sleeps in the bunk next to you.

[Amika Mota]

And so, yeah, my sidecar flipped out and started cussing out this old woman. And I was like, what?

[Narrator]

And that's when Amika and her sidecar got into a fight, a big fight.

[Amika Mota]

Throwing punches in the day room was like, the worst place you could fight because you're basically in front of the cop shop.

[Narrator]

And it was after the fight died down in her cell that a cop, a prison guard, came to take Amica away.

[Amika Mota]

Some cop came to the door and basically was like, roll it up. I was classified as a failure to program. And I ended up being, you know, put in isolation.

[Narrator]

She was given 40 days in solitary confinement. And as the green cop marched her across the yard towards the isolation unit, he casually mentioned, there goes your contact visit with your kids. They can still come down to the prison, but no contact. He said she'd have to look at them through a glass window.

[Amika Mota]

We had a date. We had a date on the calendar of when they were coming. And it was. It was like, you know, every call, I get to see you, mama. You know, I get to see you in a few weeks. Oh, it's. We're all counting down. I asked the sergeant to please let me call my kids or my papa. I had to call papa and tell him that I couldn't visit.

[Narrator]

Amica still felt it would do more harm than good to have her kids visit through a pane of glass. It had been a year and a half. There would be no in person visit. She wouldn't get to see her kids. They wouldn't be able to touch her or hug her.

[Amika Mota]

I mean there became a point when I realized that being the type of mom I wanted to be to my kids from the inside was impossible. So it was very much like this reckoning for me of who I was as a human being. I had gone inside as a mama, someone that had integrity and now I had taken someone's life and it was a new version of me that I had to figure out who I was. Now

[Narrator]

if she was ever going to be able to figure that out, she'd need to find some way over that wall.

[Amika Mota]

I always wondered what it was like on that side because we knew they live right outside the gate. And so it's kind of this other world. It just is. Imagine it's like where are they? What are they doing? Just gave me this picture of what it would look like and I wanted it.

[Narrator]

Fire Escape is a production of Snap Studios and Wondry. This series was created, written and produced by me, Anna Sussman and I want to thank Amika Mota for her help and generosity in sharing her story with us for Snap Studios. Our senior story editors are Mark Ristich and Nancy Lopez. Marissa Dodge is our director of production, Original music by Renzo Gorio and Doug Stewart. Doug Stewart also created our theme song, Sound design and engineering by Miles Lassie. Our senior story editor is Phyllis Fletcher. Our development producer is Eliza Mills, Claire Chambers, Lauren D and Mandy Gorenstein are our senior producers and Sarah Mathis is our managing producer. Our executive producers for Snap Studios are Glenn Washington and Mark Risich. Executive producers for Wondry are Marshall Louie, Morgan Jones, George Lavender and Jen Sargent. Special thanks to Adeza Egan, Catherine Steyer Martinez Pat Mesita Miller and the San Francisco Fire Department. On Team snap, the union represented producers, artists, editors and engineers are members of the national association of Broadcast Employees and Technicians, Communication workers of America, AFL CIO Local 51 fire escape. The full six part series is dropping weekly on the Snap Judgment feed. You can listen wherever you get your podcasts and on our website snapjudgment.org.