Barbie Ferreira is a Theatre Kid

Summary

Summary of "Barbie Ferreira is a Theatre Kid" Episode of So True with Caleb Hearon

In the March 20, 2025 episode of So True with Caleb Hearon, titled "Barbie Ferreira is a Theatre Kid," host Caleb Hearon engages in an in-depth and lively discussion with actress Barbie Ferreira. The conversation spans Barbie’s journey in the performing arts, personal experiences in New York, navigating fame, and reflections on societal norms.

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1. Friendship and Early Encounters [00:35 – 02:02]

The episode kicks off with Caleb reminiscing about his friendship with Barbie Ferreira. They recount their first meeting during a bustling New York night, highlighting mutual support during their respective performances.

Caleb [00:35]:
“It was really wonderful and it was just really fun... That was a big night, actually.”

Barbie [01:09]:
“And she was so good before I introduced you guys. But I didn't like hanging out with her or anything. And then you and I became best friends.”

They share anecdotes about attending comedy shows, attempting to secure tickets to The Cellar but getting turned away, and eventually meeting influential figures like Mel Ottenberg, leading to memorable nights filled with performances and camaraderie.

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2. New York Nights and Personal Reflections [02:11 – 06:16]

Caleb and Barbie delve into their adventures in New York, discussing experiences such as partying at bars, attending birthday celebrations that unexpectedly turn wild, and encountering celebrities like Billy Eichner.

Barbie [02:36]:
“I feel like in New York, I didn't really get to go out that much, even though every single other person in my cast did.”

Caleb shares his experience at Barbie’s birthday party, emphasizing how her initial wholesome intentions led to a spontaneous and hedonistic gathering.

Caleb [03:45]:
“This was really fun, because I just didn’t know where I was gonna go. You know, we were just on the street running to go to her set, where it was so fun.”

Their conversation highlights the balance between personal growth and the unpredictability of social events in a vibrant city like New York.

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3. Barbie Ferreira’s Acting Journey and Broadway [08:04 – 27:32]

Barbie discusses her venture into theater, recounting her first Broadway experience. She details her initial nervousness, the demands of rehearsals, and adapting her acting style from subtle indie performances to a more expressive stage presence.

Barbie [09:09]:
“I have never in my life been more nervous because I had no idea what I was doing. And thankfully, with a team of people, I just learned. It was six days a week, like acting boot camp.”

Caleb expresses admiration for Barbie’s ability to take up space on stage, emphasizing her evolution as an actress.

Caleb [09:36]:
“I truly doubt you'd have a problem going big. You feel very capable of going big. I feel like my friend Barbie, she can take up some space.”

Barbie reflects on playing shy characters and the challenges of embodying more extroverted roles, admitting the difficulty of performing in such a public and demanding environment.

Barbie [09:15]:
“It felt silly at first because I was like, am I overacting? I'm so used to, like, less is more.”

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4. Navigating Fame and Public Perception [28:00 – 38:41]

Barbie opens up about the complexities of fame, especially stemming from her modeling career. She reflects on how public attention shifted from her look to her acting, making it challenging to be seen beyond her physical appearance.

Barbie [29:10]:
“They keep me thinking a little bit too much. You know, it's hard because people are going to hate me and have something to say about it.”

Caleb and Barbie converse about the nature of internet hate, societal shame, and the constraints it places on individuals striving for self-expression.

Barbie [39:30]:
“Shame is a prison. I truly believe that.”

Barbie asserts that shame limits happiness and creativity, while Caleb echoes the importance of overcoming societal judgments to achieve genuine self-expression.

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5. Embracing Cringe and Authenticity [39:49 – 41:09]

The conversation shifts toward overcoming shame and embracing one’s true self despite societal judgments. Barbie advocates for climbing “Cringe Mountain” to achieve genuine happiness.

Barbie [41:09]:
“You gotta climb Cringe Mountain. I've had to go through a lot of cringe, ego death.”

Caleb emphasizes the importance of authenticity over striving to be “cool,” discussing how personal philosophy and enjoying oneself without external expectations are crucial.

Caleb [41:29]:
“What’s actually really cool is people having fun and enjoying themselves.”

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6. Personal Stories and Light-Hearted Segments [41:29 – 50:00]

Barbie shares various personal anecdotes, including her experiences during Broadway and filming, balancing personal life, and the humorous aspects of her interactions with Caleb. They reminisce about high school drama club experiences, Barbie’s Severus Snape obsession, and their mutual love for the Harry Potter series.

Caleb details moments from his own acting career, including his frustrations with scenes being cut from projects and the challenges of maintaining a public persona. The conversation remains playful, with light-hearted exchanges about acting strategies and industry mishaps.

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7. Upcoming Projects and Final Thoughts [50:00 – End]

Towards the end of the episode, Barbie announces her new movie release scheduled for March 21, highlighting its heartfelt and personal nature.

Barbie [61:31]:
“It’s such a sweet movie. And I love this movie.”

She praises co-star John Legend and discusses the indie filmmaking process, emphasizing the emotional depth of the project.

Caleb and Barbie engage in a fun segment where Barbie correctly answers trivia questions, earning a symbolic prize, reinforcing their camaraderie and mutual support. They conclude with enthusiastic endorsements of Barbie’s projects and affirm their friendship, celebrating the episode’s blend of humor, personal stories, and inspirational dialogue.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Barbie [09:09]:
  “I have never in my life been more nervous because I had no idea what I was doing.”

• Barbie [29:10]:
  “They keep me thinking a little bit too much.”

• Barbie [39:30]:
  “Shame is a prison. I truly believe that.”

• Barbie [41:09]:
  “You gotta climb Cringe Mountain. I've had to go through a lot of cringe, ego death.”

• Barbie [61:31]:
  “It’s such a sweet movie. And I love this movie.”

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This episode of So True with Caleb Hearon offers listeners an intimate look into Barbie Ferreira’s life as a theater kid, her transformative journey in the performing arts, and her candid reflections on fame and societal expectations. The conversation is enriched with humor, heartfelt insights, and personal anecdotes, making it a compelling listen for fans and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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It was really wonderful and it was just really fun. I mean, by the time I got the hang of it, it was so fun.

[B]

Can I interrupt you really quick, Barbie?

[A]

I mean. Yeah.

[B]

When was the last time you came through to one of my shows? Do you remember?

[A]

Oh, you know what? Let's talk about it. I have been to a bunch of your shows. Let's talk about it.

[B]

No, Weeza is real as fuck.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You guys meeting was actually huge for me.

[A]

I love her. I saw her at a. I did a. I watched a lot of stand ups. I did see her like before. I forgot what it was. I think it was at Sohouse or something.

[B]

And she was so good before I introduced you guys.

[A]

Yeah. But I didn't, I didn't like hang out with her or anything. And then you. Then we became like, you know, best friends.

[B]

That was such a New York night.

[A]

That was such a New York.

[B]

When it was like you were. You were doing your Broadway show and I was like, let's meet up for drinks after. And Louisa was like, I have 20 minutes before a set. Come to the Chelsea.

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I love it.

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And then we were like, let's converge and join groups.

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And then we got, we got rejected from that comedy show.

[B]

We got rejected.

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Which one was it?

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We got turned away from the Cellar.

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The seller.

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We got turned away from the Cellar because I guess there's no list at the Cellar. I don't know. I don't go there.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And so we couldn't watch Lisa set. Then we had to go up to where all the comics hang out at the little restaurant. That was fun. And then we ran into who? We ran into the editor in chief of something.

[A]

Mel Ottenberg.

[B]

Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I was like, mel, it was a New York night, baby.

[B]

It was a New York night. It's an interview that he does.

[A]

Yeah, interview.

[B]

Interview. Mag. And then we fucking watched. And then we got to see Lisa's late set.

[A]

Which is incredible.

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And then we hung out and had chicken wings in the basement.

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Y.

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Big New York night.

[A]

That was a big night, actually. It was so fun because it just was, like, I didn't know where I was gonna go. You know, we were just on the street. We're running to go to her set, where it was so fun.

[B]

Oh, we totally left out that. That same night, between seeing Lisa for the drink and then ending up at her show later, we went to Julius.

[A]

We did.

[B]

We went to the gay bar.

[A]

Billy Eichner was there.

[B]

And Billy Eichner was there.

[A]

Yeah. It was a big day for us.

[B]

You told me that when we were walking out. We walk out of this gay bar, and Barbie goes, billy Eichner's in there.

[A]

Well, yeah. Well, I was just mocking him.

[B]

I was like, I didn't even see him. Where did you see him?

[A]

Oh, I see everything.

[B]

And I did see him, right. I looked in the window, and it's just Billy just in there.

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Just Billy.

[B]

Billy on the bar.

[A]

It was really fun. I felt like I was. I feel like in New York, I didn't really get to go out that much, even though every single other person in my cast did. And I. Cause I just. I just be inside. I don't know.

[B]

You be inside.

[A]

I really. I need to. I don't know why. Cause I'm pretty, like, social, and I am, I would like to think, an effervescent human being, but I need to recharge a lot, so. That was really fun.

[B]

That was really fun.

[A]

Your birthday was really fun, too.

[B]

You came to my birthday.

[A]

I did.

[B]

Did you have a good time?

[A]

I did, but I had a matinee the afternoon, the next day, so I had to be good and not drink because of my voice. But. But I did smoke weed.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, there was that cool rooftop where everyone was smoking. People were ripping joints out there.

[A]

Ripping. I saw. Oh, my gosh. I saw, like, some. Some frisky things happening on that roof.

[B]

Oh, people were getting after it.

[A]

They were. There were, like, little couples just, like, walking around, just, you know, sneaking out.

[B]

My birthday party was randomly a fuckfest.

[A]

I kind of. Yeah. Like, truly.

[B]

Truly. So many people are being like, what is going on?

[A]

That is the dream. I throw Halloween parties, and I think this year might be. I do it every other year, and it's always a fuckfest. And I don't intend it to be. I always am, like, so wholesome with it.

[B]

Yeah.

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Like, there was, like, my first Halloween party. I had, like, candy and, like, it was, like, very like, trick or treat.

[B]

Yeah.

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And then, like, it was just like. Like it was everywhere. I was like, okay. I was like, walking to a door. I'm like, whoa, I need to close that. Let's not see what's going on in my home.

[B]

So, dude, that was the people were saying at my birthday party, they were saying, I can't believe how many people are dancing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I can't believe how many people are like, hardcore making out. And I said, this is why you throw a party.

[A]

You have to do it for, like, the horniness.

[B]

It's for the culture.

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I think so.

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Yeah.

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And for the looks. And you did a costume party. So that's. It was kind of a really good double whammy.

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You threw a New Year's Eve party.

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I did that.

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I came to.

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You did come.

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And I met this fabulous girl who, God help me, I cannot remember her name, but she was wearing a gray leather jacket. And she sat down. She was very drunk. By the time we got there, me and my two friends, and we were sitting on the couch. And you had chicken tenders.

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I did.

[B]

At your New Year's Eve.

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With caviar.

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You had chicken tenders and caviar.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, if ever there was a doubt that this is my number one girl. I said, absolutely. And there were so many chicken tenders, it couldn't possibly. The thinner.

[A]

I was refilling them all night. Shout out sweet chick.

[B]

Shout out sweet chick. I'm seeing thin people standing around not touching a chicken tender. I get in there, I go get me about six of those, baby.

[A]

I try to make a whole, like, buffet style of just like luxury foods. Cause I was like, what's new year? Like, what do we need to bring in in 2025? I was like, a little caviar. With chicken tenders.

[B]

With chicken tenders.

[A]

And then we had tinned fish. I mean, that's what the kids like.

[B]

A delicious, like a lil lilac cake. Was it?

[A]

It was a coffee. But there was like this person who made my cake is like so, like phenomenal. Like, just like people are getting really creative with tastes. I don't know. It was like coffee and then something floral. I mean, it was lavender or something.

[B]

There was some kind of floral.

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Gorgeous. It was gorgeous.

[B]

It was amazing.

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It was gorgeous, darling.

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And this. This girl was so drunk by the time she came over to talk to us. And she. We go. She was like walking over to me go, you look amazing. Love your outfit. And she was like, I'm gonna tell you something. And then she Goes on like truly a 45 minute principled rant about how she got the jacket from this thrifting site that she was like, don't tell anyone about the site. Like it's really good stuff on there. But like, I'm just telling you guys. Cause we're friends, we've just met.

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Yeah.

[B]

And I'm like, I love that.

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That I'm obsessed with her secret is like, yeah.

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She was like, she was like, don't tell anyone about this site. But like between people who are close, like us, like, we're close.

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This is my girl's bathroom. This is like, I will fight for you. I just met you.

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I was like, I would die for you.

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Yeah.

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And it was. So I'm on by the. Probably by this point. My 17th chicken tender.

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As you should.

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I'm just like gnawing on it. I was like, absolutely queen. She was giving us the scoop.

[A]

That was my big takeaway. There was a lot of really cool people at my party that I like. So what I did was it was kind of like a bachelorette situation where I just invited, I was told my friends. I was like, just invite hot people that may or may not be interested in me. And so it ended up being like maybe too many. And I felt like I had to give the rose to somewhere. And then it ended up. Nothing happened. I didn't even have a nearest kiss. So it was Barbie. It was an exercise in futility.

[B]

So many people were clamoring over you.

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At that party, my friends.

[B]

Oh, was there all going on?

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Yeah. The other ones I don't know. But come to find out, you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't have. Just, you know, tell like 10 people. Just bring anyone who you think might, might, might be interested in me and give me a New Year's kiss. Because none of them did. There were people talking to me all night that I was just like, is this, that, is that not so? It was just the bachelorette didn't work. So. But the fun part was the friendship.

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Yeah, I guess.

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The friendship and the caviar, baby.

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Don't you feel? My ideal. I was just saying to someone earlier today, my ideal, my ideal evening is that I get to hang out with my friends for most of it. And then just at the 11th hour, I get laid.

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Ah.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That's amazing.

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Just like right when we're about to.

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Leave the bar at the end because then you get to have the whole experience with the people that you love the most.

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Yeah.

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And then, and then you fuck some. Somebody, and then that's. Yeah.

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Why not?

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Why not?

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Why not?

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Come on.

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You've never done stand up.

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Oh, no.

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You'd be good at it.

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I kind of think so, too. I think everyone thinks they'd be good at stand up. Yeah, it's like. Everyone thinks that they'd be really funny at, like, stand up, but I. I do think so. I think that I would have to get over my fear of honesty to, like, a public room and being, like, you know, being very vulnerable, which, you know, I tend to do that anyways, and then I regret it immediately. So that would be kind of. You know, I would definitely do a lot of things that would be making fun of myself.

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So, I mean, you know what? There's not much to say. What do you mean? To make fun of Barbie. What are we gonna say about Barbie?

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I mean, my hair is just too luscious.

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Sorry. TV star, film star, Broadway star. How will you tell. Okay. Will you tell people how your Broadway era was?

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It was so fun. Okay. So I started. I think it was October that I went to New York, and I had this, like, incredible meeting with, like, Leslie Hedlund and Tripp Coleman, who, like, the director and playwright of this, like, incredible play. And I was just like, yeah, I could totally do. Totally. Like, I'm. Of course. I mean, it's acting. I mean, this is what I do. Yeah. I showed up to the rehearsal. I have never in my life been more nervous because I had no idea what I was doing. And thankfully, with a team of people, you know, it was. So I just learned. I mean, even. Even the first day of rehearsal, I was like, okay, I need to express myself more and be like, wow. You know, and then it just kind of grew into this. Really just. It was a lot. It was six days a week. And I just kind of, like, went to boot camp, like, acting boot camp. And I was like, okay. How do I. You know, I just went from doing, like, a bunch of indie movies where it's very small.

[B]

It's so small. Your reactions are very. The camera catches everything.

[A]

Yeah.

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And then on stage, you have to be like, oh, no. Like, it's ridiculous.

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It felt silly at first because I was like, am I overacting? I'm so used to, like, you know, less is more. And in theater, it's not that you have to do more, like, per se, but it's just, like, really, like, letting the audience into the story is what, like, Trip would always tell us. And, you know, it was amazing because it was, like, so People really, you know, helped me out, and they were great, and it ended up, you know, I was loud as hell.

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I truly. I doubt you'd have a problem going big. You feel very capable of going big. I'm like, my friend Barbie, she can take up some space.

[A]

Yeah, well, with acting, I'm always playing, like, a really shy character, so it's actually kind of weird whenever I do. I mean, especially in the past few projects that I've done, it's like every time I am really creating a character, it comes from a place of, like, a lot of, like, shyness and kind of just being more internal. And this one, I kind of played a version of, like, a girl who. Which, by the way, would be. To address something, Caleb. Something really big. You didn't come to my play, Caleb. All right, now it's my podcast.

[B]

Barbie.

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Yeah, Kayla.

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Barbie, what are you doing?

[A]

I know.

[B]

What are you doing?

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Wait, I'm, like, talking about my photo.

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I'm, like, timing things. Right. I was in downtown a lot. Barbie, don't you.

[A]

No, no, no. I know. I know this.

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I love.

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You said you made. Where. I said, we have to address something. And then you looked at me like, is she gonna say it? And I did.

[B]

I knew it.

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And I said, yeah, that's why I came here. All for this.

[B]

You say a lot of gay slurs in private.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

You say a lot of.

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Oh, we're starting it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Oh, shit. Okay, Caleb, let's talk about your views on bisexuality Barbie. Bisexuality Barbie. Okay, let's talk about it.

[B]

You need to tell the bisexual community that I'm good.

[A]

Caleb's great. He is.

[B]

Tell them that I'm. His heart is gold.

[A]

He doesn't mean it. There's no malice in his. There's no malice in his heart. He just has some opinions.

[B]

He's asking questions. He's doing his own research.

[A]

He's asking questions. Some questions that we all need answering. We need the answers.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Like, why?

[B]

Let me ask you. Okay. Do you want to hear a story about an embarrassing thing you might not even know about? About me? Yeah, I. Your birthday party a couple years ago at some restaurant in la.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Do you remember this? We were, like, outside.

[A]

Ish. Yes. Yes.

[B]

And you invited me. You said. I think you text me and said, you're the most important person in my life. I don't know what to do without you. If you don't come to the dinner. Something like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I came to the dinner, and I was sitting next to Someone. I am bad at faces. Okay, let's start there. I'm bad at faces. I will know someone. I will know so much about someone, and I will not remember what their face looks like, okay? I get caught up in a conversation for, like, 45 minutes with this wonderful young woman, okay?

[A]

Is she British?

[B]

Yes. I told you this. No, I'm chatting. I'm chatting with this young. This beautiful young British woman. And I'm chatting and she's ripping cigarettes, and she's so fabulous. And I'm going, God, Barbie has the coolest friends, you know? And I go, after a while of chatting, we're talking about life or whatever. I go, like. I go, what do you do in la? What brought you out here? You know? Cause she's British. And she goes, I make music.

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I'm a pop star band. I already know exactly where this is going.

[B]

I go, oh, what's your name? She goes, charlie. Who's Charli xcx?

[A]

The worst part is that we went to karaoke and she did the first song, and I was like, wow. Well, I was drunk by then, so it was. I honestly was, like, giving. I was giving, like, background dancer singer for her. But. But I was. But yeah, she came to karaoke and I was like, listen, I'm gonna give it my all. Even though I'm not Miss Pop Star over there.

[B]

She. True. I was like. And I was taken by her. I was like, this is such a fabulous young woman that I've met.

[A]

This fabulous British young woman.

[B]

Everyone's taken by her. Dumb fuck. It's Charli xcx.

[A]

I'm just so charming.

[B]

And by the way, love her music. I have known her work for a long time.

[A]

Like, vroom, vroom. I like.

[B]

I'm. Hey, boom clap. For real. But I don't know. I'm bad with faces. And I felt. So when she said. When she said Charlie, I went just like.

[A]

When I called you out about 10 seconds ago.

[B]

Barbie, don't bring that back. Don't bring it back.

[A]

This is why I'm here.

[B]

Okay, well, wait. Will you tell them? I do know one thing about your play. Will you do for us your one singing line?

[A]

Oh, my God. Okay. On Broadway. Yes, I did sing. I did. And it was one line. And by the way, it's a play with music. So almost everyone else sang except for me. I did kind of luck out on that one because I am not known to have the finest voice, but I tried and I can lock in, lock.

[B]

In, lock in, lock in, lock in.

[A]

What the hell Am I doing here?

[B]

Yeah, let's go.

[A]

I sang on Broadway, so if anyone has anything to say, that shit was on Broadway eight times a week.

[B]

So you had your New York era.

[A]

I did four months.

[B]

And how did it feel?

[A]

It felt great. I got to see my mom a lot. I got to see my grandma.

[B]

Because you're from New York.

[A]

I'm from New York.

[B]

We still lives there.

[A]

Yes. So my mom has. So she lives, like, about an hour away from the city. So she would. Every Sunday, for those who are privy to the Broadway tee, we have Mondays off. Yeah.

[B]

Ever heard of it?

[A]

Ever heard of Broadway? So my mom picked me up Sunday night. We had these for the. The last couple last few weeks. We had, like, Sunday matinees only, and then at nighttime, see my mom. It was really sweet. I got to see a lot of my friends, a lot of them that, like, drove down from Jersey to come see my play.

[B]

The real people showed up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The real inner circle showed up.

[A]

The inner circle, the people that I actually care about and love did show up.

[B]

Some of the other people didn't come through.

[A]

Didn't come through. Really.

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

And that's okay because it's never to be seen again because it is a live show.

[B]

Fuck. Yeah.

[A]

So, anywho, it was really wonderful, and it was just really fun. I mean, by the time I got the hang of it, it was fun.

[B]

Can I interrupt you really quick? Barbie?

[A]

I mean. Yeah.

[B]

When was. When was the last time you came through to one of my shows? Do you remember?

[A]

Oh, you know what? Let's talk about it. I have been to a bunch of your shows. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. No, I'm ready to talk about that because how did we exactly meet, Caleb? Just by random? Like, by chance? No, I was there laughing at the show.

[B]

Really? Where?

[A]

It was in la. You should do those monthly shows. No.

[B]

Yeah, you did come to some big wigs. Fuck. This is humiliating.

[A]

This is humiliating. This is honestly exposing people for who you truly are.

[B]

To showing who I truly are.

[A]

I mean, he was a sweetheart on the pod. He's like, you know, very, you know, all smiles and joy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then just nefarious. It's just, like, really bad. Yeah.

[B]

I knew that eventually this would come out, and I never thought it would.

[A]

Be the one to break it to everyone.

[B]

I know. That's huge.

[A]

Huge. I mean, this sucks.

[B]

I'm such a big fan, but you're really destroying me right now.

[A]

I don't know if you could come.

[B]

Back from this And I've been a huge fan of yours for so long. I mean, a lot of people, they know you from this, that or the other. They've known you, you know, they know.

[A]

You this, that or the other.

[B]

But I, you know, all your work that you've done, I hear then, you know, you've been in things like you should. Such as, you know, or whatever that one thing.

[A]

Remember?

[B]

Or. God, you were.

[A]

No, you were on. Oh, my God.

[B]

Are you.

[A]

Yeah, I get that a lot. I get people being like you're from.

[B]

But. And I think.

[A]

But I get that. I do that too. Sometimes. I'm like, I know this person, but I don't know what show they're on.

[B]

Well, I know what I know you from, though. Cause I want to tell you, I've been a fan of yours for so long. Most people are kind of new to you. I loved you when you were playing Patty in Grease.

[A]

Oh, my God. Shut up. Shut up.

[B]

And I have a picture here.

[A]

No, you don't.

[B]

Of you playing Patty in Grease. Oh, my God. And you were so good.

[A]

I mean, I'm expressing myself. Hello.

[B]

Oh, my God, look at her. I love her.

[A]

Can I say that? My high school drama club came to see the play, by the way. By the way. They all came from New Jersey. A bunch of 15, 16, 17 year olds made their way to go see my play. And I was telling them about this. And this is as far as I got at the Hackensack High School drama club. Honestly, this is about as far. I mean, obviously what you guys heard before was wonderful, my singing. But it wasn't up to par with, you know, the musical.

[B]

It wasn't up to par with this.

[A]

No. So I had all the non singing roles as I do now, so it's kind of makes sense.

[B]

I wish I knew her because I love her.

[A]

She was a mess. She was a mess. Was she 15 in there? Yeah, she was a mess. She was just. But she was happy to be there.

[B]

She was happy to be there.

[A]

Yeah. Look at me. I look very concerned.

[B]

What was high school like for you?

[A]

High school sucked for me.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I had to talk to those kids and they were like so high. They literally asked me like, how was your high school experience? And I was like, how do I put this? Like, nice. I was like, why? You know, it was like four years for sure. And I definitely finished it.

[B]

Oh, man. Were there classes?

[A]

There were classes and teachers and students. Students everywhere. Yeah, you name it. My high school experience was. Well, I was pretty to myself. I didn't Really? I hung out with like, maybe a couple people. Like, especially Hannah DeMiro shouts out, that's my bestie. She. She's in Jersey and she's like this incredible nurse. Getting married soon. Yes. But me and her were besties. And then I kind of just kept to myself a lot. I did. It's just like a very, like mysterious, like, really? Yeah, I love that. I think I was just too freaky. Like, I always had bits that I would bring to school. Like, you're very funny.

[B]

You are legitimately very funny.

[A]

I find it funny.

[B]

You're doing bits.

[A]

Can I tell you something? In middle school, I decided to bring around a Severus Snape cutout.

[B]

I'm starting to get a picture.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Starting to get a picture. Do you know what I mean?

[A]

I had like a really, like, choppy haircut that was like dyed black. And I would bring my Severus Snape cut out. I'm pretty sure I made a Facebook for him too. It was. I mean, it was hilarious.

[B]

You made a Facebook page for your Severus Snape cutout? Yeah, I'm living for her.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, I love that. That's like kind of like the vibes that I gave in school. I. I always had like this like an ongoing bit with like, nobody. So it was just kind of like an inside joke that.

[B]

Never an inside joke, just for me.

[A]

I'm an only child, so I, like, I really entertained myself a lot.

[B]

Were you, like, dating?

[A]

No. Well, towards the end of high school, I made some bad decisions and started dating a little bit. But I was really like a late bloomer. Like, I had my first kiss at 16. Like, just, you know, I was a senior in high school. Cause I was a little bit young.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, I mean, I wasn't dating towards the end of high school. I was like, I'm a bad girl. I'm gonna go to New York and I'm gonna party and I'm gonna be in the art scene in New York. And like, I. Which I did.

[B]

And I did do that.

[A]

And I did do that. And so I would just like kind of sneak out of school and start doing like, bad girl things. I'd go to the club, you know, and we can't go to the club.

[B]

You can't go to the club?

[A]

No, not at 16. You can't do.

[B]

It can't be happening.

[A]

Well, yeah, but I mean, it happens and it wasn't. But so that's kind of is why I'm like, really stay inside. I just feel Like, I kind of. I was outside too much.

[B]

When and why did you move to la?

[A]

I moved to LA because of euphoria. So when we started shooting was probably seven years ago. I've been in LA for a long time, actually, now that I think about it. But we shot it all in la, so the pilot we shot in la, I was staying at the standard West Hollywood. Rest in peace.

[B]

Rest in peace.

[A]

What a place. Yeah, what a place. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. That's beautiful.

[B]

I start crying.

[A]

They really did, like, quit playing games and just, like, open it back up. Anyways, we stayed there for like a month and then I'm. And then when the show got picked up, I moved to la. I just, like, packed my bags. I quit modeling and just, like, everyone does, and, you know, I made my way to Los Angeles, to Hollywood, and I have been here since.

[B]

And so you've been here since. And you have. You have so many wonderful people in your life out here. How did you meet Ben, the painter?

[A]

Oh, my God, Ben.

[B]

He's like your bestie.

[A]

My bestie. He literally, this morning was like, you better mention me.

[B]

Really? Yeah, I knew he'd want to be on here.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

He's classic gay guy.

[A]

He's classic. He literally was like, you better mention me. I met Ben through a mutual friend when I moved to la. Actually, when I moved to Silver Lake, we were. I was. I had. This is so dark, but I had this, like, this apartment that had mold in it, so I had to leave.

[B]

It was just me, my Severus Snape cutout, and my mold and my mold.

[A]

And so the mold is no joke in la. Let's talk about that, too. So I had to move really quickly, so I moved to my friend's building. And then Ben had just moved to la. So then we all, like, you know, me and Ben just became really close. And now, like, we basically live together and we, like, share life. I kind of.

[B]

He's so wonderful.

[A]

I love Ben. Ben, he's insane, though.

[B]

Ben, I love you and I want one of your paintings. Let's talk.

[A]

Oh, let's talk, Ben, let's talk. Do it on the pot. He'll do it.

[B]

Let's talk. Ben.

[A]

If you talk to him, he will.

[B]

Ben, give me a painting.

[A]

He's a people pleaser, so really, you can convince him.

[B]

I'll pay 50% to 25% of what you probably charge.

[A]

That's just an estimation.

[B]

Yeah, I want to look at the price and then we'll talk.

[A]

And then we'll talk.

[B]

No, his paintings Are so good. And I love the painting.

[A]

He just gave you a new one. It's beautiful.

[B]

Gave it to you.

[A]

Well, he does this thing where every year he takes. Yeah. Huh. The perks of so.

[B]

Just so I know what's possible.

[A]

Yeah, there's a lot of things possible in there.

[B]

Your best friend.

[A]

My best friend. Well, he does this thing where every year he will take the. When I'm not home because I, you know, sometimes I'm working out of la, outside of la, I will come back home and the painting will be gone, but then place of it will be a new painting in his new era. So. And then his new thing is every year he's like, I hated that painting. Every year it is. It has been six years of me getting. Coming home, thinking, I'm gonna see the painting that I have, and then he paints over it.

[B]

Oh, he's painting over it?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

Oh, my God. My friends don't do anything.

[A]

I can't understand artists. Oh, they don't.

[B]

My friends don't do anything for me.

[A]

No.

[B]

I need friends like that.

[A]

They'll just give you paintings and then have a neurotic, like, breakdown about it.

[B]

Just think of me.

[A]

Think of me. You don't give you. I love gifts. I love giving, like, thoughtful gifts. You don't get any thoughtful gifts.

[B]

I do. I'm just being silly. I. But I'm not a gift giver, though.

[A]

We don't give gifts.

[B]

I'm not a gift giver. And when I receive a gift, I'm always like, well, thank you. But it's not your love language. It's not my love language. I'm. Quality time.

[A]

I love quality time.

[B]

Quality time is my biggest thing.

[A]

Mine is words of affirmation. I need to be affirmed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, a little bit too much. I'm working on it.

[B]

I'll affirm you anytime.

[A]

Right now.

[B]

What are you looking? Well, you're gorgeous. You're talented. You're. You're funny. You're actually so funny. I think people who don't know you personally would be really, like, they would hang out with you for a night and be like, why the fuck is Barbie so funny? Like, I.

[A]

That's my.

[B]

That.

[A]

Honestly, that's amazing.

[B]

I want to see you in more comedic things.

[A]

I would love to do it because.

[B]

I think you're so. Obviously, you're so good at. You're such a good actor, but I want to see you. I want to see you do more comedic things.

[A]

I would love to do it.

[B]

You're beautiful. You're grounded. You have really good people around you, which is always a great compliment. Yeah. You and your friends, too, are like. I feel like they're right. Or dies.

[A]

Yes. I have, like, a big loyalty thing with, like, everyone in my life. Like, I'm loyal to a fault.

[B]

You really are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I think people say that, and then it's like you sometimes don't see it in the evidence, but I see it in the evidence.

[A]

Yeah. I like to have people that I trust and that I love and that I know even. And, you know, know they're the bad, the pros and cons of them. I mean, I'm not exactly, like, you know, an angel all the time.

[B]

Yeah, come on.

[A]

No, I am. Right.

[B]

She has a little fun.

[A]

I am a little devil on my shoulder.

[B]

What's wrong with being a little devilish?

[A]

Just a little bit.

[B]

So, okay, so I'm trying to keep myself on track here because you and I will do it. You moved LA to do Euphoria. And then is Euphoria the first, like, big thing that kind of hits for you? Does you feel like that's when your life changes?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then. Okay, tell me about that. So then you're in it and you're, like, famous and. Whoa. What the fuck?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's insane. Can we just say that's insane?

[A]

It was really insane. And I don't think I was. Well, before I was, like, a model and I was doing, like, kind of, like, I was hosting a lot of stuff. So, like, I had, like, this, like, little broadly, like, Vice show. And like, all this. Let me tell you something, did not prepare me for this. I don't think that I really. Honestly, I didn't really even enjoy it. Which is kind of the sad part is, like, I thought, like, I've just. It became so, like, scary because it's just like, so many people are randomly, like, tuning in to what I have to what I'm doing, what my life is, everything. So it was. It wasn't as fun as I. But I was also really young. I also think it's almost impossible when people say, like, don't, like, just enjoy it. Like, it's. I think it's impossible when you're not, like, a fully fledged out human being. So, like, it took a while for me to kind of get, you know, the. To get a hang of it. And it was. It was very fun and very crazy and like a whirlwind. And, yeah, definitely changed my life a lot. But before that, I was, you know, I was. It was My first acting job. My first acting job was a lot of guest spots and like, stuff like divorce. And then I did this one line in a movie that got cut. Fuck yeah. I had to tell the kids and the high school drama club addicts. I was like, listen to me, kids, they're gonna cut.

[B]

You had you bragged to people about the role as you told people. See, because that's a mistake you'll make at the beginning is where you'll be like, oh, my God, I'm in such and such. And then it gets cut and you're like, everyone. Forget that. Forget that.

[A]

Don't ever mention it again.

[B]

Do not.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, no, no, it happens. I mean, acting is just. That's what it's like. It's just you literally are always just. There's. You don't know what's gonna happen.

[B]

Dude. I had one of those recently where I filmed a scene, pretty funny scene for Mr. And Mrs. Smith on Amazon. And I like flew to New York for it and fucking, like, did the whole scene with Maya Erskine, who is lovely, by the way.

[A]

Love her.

[B]

So nice. It was my first time meeting her and I was like, I would die for this person. Did the whole scene and then I like told people about it. I was like, yeah, I'm in the new Mr. And Mrs. Smith. Just one scene. But it's like for a comedian, for a stand up, it's like those. We kind of. Those one scenes are like our thing.

[A]

You know what I mean? You steal the whole episode.

[B]

You kind of hope for it. It's like I go work for one day, I get a really good shot at being.

[A]

That shit was cut, wasn't it?

[B]

Oh, it was cut. And they kept like one line from my voice and still credited me.

[A]

Yeah, that's the one.

[B]

So I've got so many.

[A]

I've been pause it.

[B]

My. My headshot still pops up. So people were DMing me and I was pissed. I was. I'll be honest, for a minute, I was livid at the Mr. And Mrs. Smith team and Amazon.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then a couple weeks after, I was still so mad about it. And then I got the residual check and I said, hey, no worries. I said, hey, thanks for keeping that line in, y'all.

[A]

Literally, that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

[B]

I know, but I'm so mad.

[A]

Really, it's like constant ego death, I think, which has been really fun for me. I kind of love putting myself. I kind of get off on, like putting myself in situations that are just like terrifying yeah, but like, in, like, public speaking or acting, performing, like, all that, like, for some reason, like, it keeps me alive.

[B]

What's been that for you recently?

[A]

Broadway, for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was, you know, every night, having to perform.

[B]

That's. That's got to be scary, too, because, like, you hear you're a person who, like, you have a fan base in it. Like, you have an audience. Like, people are going to come see you do this because they love you, and it's a whole new thing. Like, was that scary? Was that scary?

[A]

It was, but I.

[B]

But I. But I wasn't one of them. Is that what you were trying to.

[A]

Unlike something.

[B]

Okay, cool. I didn't catch that. But then I saw the face you made, and I realized you were trying to drag me again.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Well, what was the question again?

[B]

The question was, was it scary to do a Broadway show? Like, a first?

[A]

It was extremely scary. And I had just gotten back from. Also, another thing I did was scary is I did a rom com in Montreal and I was naked in it. Naked sounds great.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

Yeah. But that was like another. Like another. Like, okay, we're gonna face our fears and we're gonna, you know, serve body.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the nude. And it was very fun. So I did that, and then I went to Broadway. So I was just kind of like, Just like my adrenal glands are just, like, out. Like, I've just been, like. So, like, I've just been, I don't know, doing things that, like, push me. It's been, like, really scary, but cool. I'm like. I'm like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

[B]

How do you. Okay, so. But at a pretty. I. I feel like it was a pretty young age for you that all of a sudden now people are, like, commenting on everything you do.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That had to be so. And. And by the way, any of this can be cut if you. If there's anything that. That comes up that you're like, I don't really want to talk about that, we'll cut it. But the. The. The sheer influx of commentary from strangers on your work life, your appearance, like who you're seen out with, what you're doing. I. How did you manage that? Or how do you manage that? That's got to be psychedelic psycho.

[A]

It's hard because I think what also happens is it evolves into different things. I've been modeling since I was 16, so I'm 28 now. And for me, my body and what I say has been taken out of context from like everything I've, like every single thing I do it has was because I was a model. And I totally take that and I accept it. And like, you know, that was my job, was like my appearance. So it was. What was hard for me is I started at such a young age being a model and like, what I was selling was the way that I look and like what I have. And thankfully people listened to what I had to say, which was really, you know, cool. And I got to say all these things that I still like, believe in and like, you know, I'm very proud of like my, my thoughts on like how people perceive women and all these things when I was a teenager. But, you know, I think like, it's so hard because now as an actor and I'm 28, I'm like, I am not a model. And you know, having to hear things about that just don't matter to me, which is like things that don't have to do with my work or like my integrity or like my creativity, my acting, like, you know what I mean? It's like, so I've evolved with the. In my career as being a model who was like, you know, and that was what my product was, was like what I look like and that was what I. And not, not necessarily, but you know, I was modeling clothes, I was selling things on my body. So I totally understand the conversations being had back then. But, you know, as I evolve and I get older, it just feels so exhausting. And at this point in my life and my career, I kind of have just realized that like, no matter what I do, people are going to hate me and have something to say about it. And it's. And hopefully, let's hope I'll have a long career where, you know, I will go through so many different iterations of myself and my craft and what I find to important to talk about at the time and what I want to work on and the stories that I want to work on. So I think it's. It's just part of unfortunately the whole thing. So, I mean, it's not bad. It's. It's fine. I can like live with it. I think it's just more. It's just interesting how it evolves. Like, it's always something that I hadn't thought about before. So it does keep me on the toes. The haters. The haters do keep me on the toes.

[B]

They keep me thinking.

[A]

They keep me thinking a little bit too much. You know, it's funny is I've always had People always talk about me. I mean, I've been on, like, I've been on the Internet, like, as a model since I was 16 and I was a bathing suit model. So it's like, my first big gig was, like, me in a string bikini for aerie. And everyone was like, what? This woman exists? What?

[B]

They're running into one.

[A]

It was international news, and it was hilarious. And, you know, that was my first big kind of moment was dealing with, like, people talking about, she can't, she can't, she's in a bikini. What about a garbage bag with holes in it? It's waterproof. It's like, I don't know. It's just really.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, and it really freaks me out because I remember doing that. First of all, I mean I was so. I remember doing that. Shoot. I was like chain smoking cigarettes and like had my supreme outfit on. Like my air forces. Like I had. I was insane. And I was just like, literally like yeah, I'll put some bikini on. Like, I was just on New York. I was like, I'll put a bikini on. I was walking around like, oh, I didn't even know I'm walking here, baby.

[B]

I'm in a bikini.

[A]

Bikini. So I. I just remember that day. I had no idea. And I think that was the start of, like, you know, and as. And this is. This is my. Like, this is what I have to deal with for the rest of my life. As long as I'm in the public space and whatever, I'll take it.

[B]

Yeah, you're very generous, though, because even I do think, even when you say, like, oh, I started as a model, like, my appearance was the product or whatever, whatever, I still don't think that that entitles people to make negative comments about your body. It's like, the people, the free, the. I mean, you know, I get a lot of them. Not on the scale that you have received anything, but the free. The freeness with which people feel like they can just remark on your body is like, what? Why?

[A]

Well, what's interesting is that I've been noticing because I've been in different cities, and the way that people talk to me, like, on the street has, like, kind of, you know, it's. I feel like in la, I, like, you know, there's way bigger first or fry. Like, there's like, Brad Pitt at the coffee shop. You know, like, no one's, like, you know, checking for me. But when I've been. When I was in, like, other places, like, the way that people would talk to me, it's like, I'm not a person. It's like this, this and that. Like, just saying something, like, about my life that they know and, like, screaming it across the room. And I'm like. I'm like, hi. Hello.

[B]

You're getting a newspaper. They're like, euphoria, literally.

[A]

And they'll be like, saying things that I'm like, what are you. Like, whoa, whoa. I'm just having a drink here, you know, so it's interesting that people have, you know, I think that some people just don't think of me as a person, which, listen, I used to love. Like, I used to love fanfare. I'm a Brazilian. It's in my blood. I understand. Okay.

[B]

It's a Brazilian quality.

[A]

It's a Brazilian quality. Quality. To be a mega fan. I've been a mega fan of many things, and I understand that. Like, I really do. This is like, a process of, like, 12 years of, like, understanding, like, you know, the way that people think. And a lot of people are just. This sounds so cliche, but people are just so sad. Yeah, they're sad and. And it makes them feel better to, like, make fun of other people. And it's just like, once I really understood that deeply, I think, and it is not personal to me. And it's like, it could be anything. Like, it could literally be anything. And they would, like, you know, I'm a woman in the public, like, and people will say something about me. So I. The more I understand that deeply, the more I just feel not empathy, because it's not like I'm like, poor haters of mine. Like, you know, like, oh, my poor haters. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my haters can go fuck themselves. But not really. But. But, you know, I hope there's, like. I understand what's happening, and especially now, I feel like the Internet is. I just feel like it's just an escape for people to hate.

[B]

Yeah, I think so, too. And I think something I've really spent a lot of time thinking about is, like, so many people spend their life, and it's not necessarily their fault, but it's like something that's fed to us. So many people spend their whole life restricting themselves. And they don't eat things they don't want to eat, and they don't hang out with people they don't want to hang out with, and they don't say things they want to say, and they don't wear what they want to wear, and they don't allow themselves to go out of these very strict boundaries of, like, normalcy. And so anytime they see someone, like, if they. If they see a fat person finding themselves sexy, or if they see, you know, like, a trans person expressing themselves in a different kind of dress, like, attire, or if they see a musician making weird choices, like, anything that goes outside of that box, the real thing that's getting at them is it's like a how dare you thing. And the place that comes from is like, man, I wish I could be free.

[A]

It's the shame.

[B]

Yeah. It's like, oh, I wish I could be free. How dare you be free in front of me when I can't be free? And it's like, well, you could.

[A]

Shame is a prison. Yeah, shame is a prison. It's. I truly believe that. I think, like. And, you know, I'll say this for a little later when you ask me a certain question. Cause this is my. Perhaps so true. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Not a. Not a spoiler.

[B]

Barbie Ferreira. What's so true to you.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Already? Yeah. Do it now.

[A]

Okay. Just because it has things to do with shame. I really think that being cringy. We need to. We need to stop that. We need to stop the idea of cringe. It has been in my. And me too. I'm, you know, a zillennial. I mean, I was Gen Z up until a couple years ago when they changed it to 97.

[B]

They changed the goal post, and now.

[A]

All of a sudden, they've changed the goalpost. So just I'll have you all know, I am Gen Z in my head always. But, you know, I think there's like this thing where people who. I think a lot of younger people, too, were growing up in this thing where we're just so scared of being embarrassing. And I'm like, who cares? Life is so fun when you're embarrassing.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's so. It's so fun when you're not, like, in the shame prison that I just mentioned before. And it's like, you know, it just feels like you, You. You can't make any moves because you start. I think there's like a third person, like an Internet voice in everyone's head now who's like, chronically online, which, by the way, it's not even just young people. My mom is on YouTube shorts all day. So, you know, it's like, queen. Queen. Love her. Shout out to Janna.

[B]

Subscribe to so true. Please Queen.

[A]

Yeah, please Queen. I showed her the episode with your mom. Oh, she cried. She loved it. My mom loved it.

[B]

That's so sweet.

[A]

But, yeah, I just feel like shame is getting in the way of a lot of happiness, a lot of creativity.

[B]

If you want to be happy, you have to climb Cringe Mountain.

[A]

You gotta climb Cringe Mountain. I've had to go through a lot of cringe, ego, death, because it's the way one grows up. It's like everyone's just making fun of each other. They're all like, like, you know, calling like, oh, this is bad. This is like, you know, this is what it should be, yada, yada. So I just. For me, what's so true is to be cringy.

[B]

Also. I 100% agree. It's something we've talked about on this show before. But I also think, like, they're striving at being cool is the least cool thing you can do. You have to adopt a personal philosophy that whatever you do is cool because you do it exactly. You bring the cool to stuff. Stuff. It's like, if you're trying to wear stuff because it's cool. Or if you're trying to listen to stuff because it's cool, people can see through it, and it's like, that's fine. You can participate in trends. I'm not saying never participate in a trend. I definitely. As soon as people got rid of skinny jeans, I switched it up. You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, you didn't want to be the last one on that bandwagon.

[B]

I'll be dying on that hill.

[A]

Yeah, no, not that hill.

[B]

But I'm saying, like, just generally being like, what I'm into is cool. Like, there. There's. There's that thing of, like, what's actually really cool is people having fun and enjoying themselves.

[A]

I think it's so cool. I actually think it's not only so true, but so cool.

[B]

So true. And Barbie's show coming soon. So cool with Barbie Ferrera.

[A]

So true and so cool. That's our collab. Way, way, way.

[B]

The Barbie Ferreira Shame Prison episode.

[A]

The Shame Prison episode.

[B]

That was so cool.

[A]

It's like 10 ways to. I always get those YouTube videos on my recommended. There's, like, 10 ways to master your mind. Like some bald guy.

[B]

It's a bald guy.

[A]

Like, looking intensely at you and.

[B]

Are you tapping in?

[A]

Yeah, I'm tapping. Tapping in.

[B]

Yeah, I'm watching.

[A]

Wait, can I just say what I've been watching?

[B]

I wish you would.

[A]

Okay. I have to say something. I've been watching the Beast games.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. As a. Okay.

[B]

Are you eating? Are you eating feastables?

[A]

I'm not. I'm. I'm sponsored by Mr. Beast today.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

I'm here for our collab. I don't. Okay. The amount of money that this show is giving out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the. I. I just have to talk about this. This has to be stupid.

[B]

Speak on it. Yeah.

[A]

The fact that it. It was literally within two, three episodes, it turned into a religious cult. It devolved completely into a religious cult. It was beautiful. I was like, this is what humans do when we're in one. When we're in the city. What was it called? It's not Gag City, obviously. That's Nikki's. The Beast City. Of course. Beast.

[B]

Chance used to work for Mr. Beast.

[A]

Oh, my God. Okay. I love that show. Literally. Send My regards to Mr. Beast.

[B]

Regards to Mr.

[A]

Beast. Send the kisses to the chef. Because it was. It is truly just watching it for, like, the hu. Like how humans just. How we are just human. We will never. There's always these pillars of society. That we like the fact that it's a religious cult. Within two, three episodes, people are starting to like. Like it's like people's value is like their morality. Like you don't know these people. They're all lying. It's. It's fascinating. It's amazing. And it's so much money. And I like that. That's why I liked a loan. Because you get a million dollars of it. Yeah. So I'm like, I want to see some real high stakes. Cuz reality shows these days don't even have money. They just win nothing.

[B]

Yeah, you just win. You just win the opportunity to be on tv.

[A]

Yeah. The circle, like the circle of like love and. And whatever. It's like, what's the prize is just like respect.

[B]

Yeah. We. We think what you did was pretty funny.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. There's no prize. I love a prize.

[B]

I. I'm not watching any of that. But I really understand it. I really understand it.

[A]

I am low brown.

[B]

I'm sorry. No, it's all immediately Lord of the Flies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Everything is Lord of the Flies.

[A]

It's insane. It always happens. There's always a leader. It's just, it's. It's.

[B]

If you put a group of humans in a room and you say, hey guys, this is the be normal challenge. You have one week to be normal. By the end of it, there will be. Somebody will be dead.

[A]

There'll be an aluminum hat, and there.

[B]

Will be a new type of politics. That's like the craziest thing you've ever heard.

[A]

Yeah. And there's like weird like music chants that have been created. It's just it all. And then it's beautiful. I'm so excited for episode 10. Who will win?

[B]

I can't wait for episode 10. Who will win'? Into camera. You are getting sponsored by them. I'm sneakily being sponsored by Mr.

[A]

Beast.

[B]

Dude, that is so fun.

[A]

I just had to talk about it because I spent my whole day yesterday just watching in complete. Just wow. It's great. I mean, I think that all actors should watch it.

[B]

Dude, I'm getting. The only thing I'm doing on YouTube is I'm getting blazed out of my mouth.

[A]

Excuse you. It's on prime.

[B]

Sorry, my bad. I'm getting blazed out of my mind going on YouTube and searching like origins of human evil philosopher. Explain.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And then I'm just being like. Right.

[A]

It's like 10 hours of Carl Jung. Literally. I am not kidding. I will. I also watch a lot of physics videos because I read a Book?

[B]

Well, that would scare me.

[A]

Yes, I did read a book. Just letting everyone know.

[B]

First of all, I read a book.

[A]

I read a book a couple months ago and Solaris. And it was about a sentient ocean in like a. Whatever. There's like a Russian movie. It's really great.

[B]

You did not read this book.

[A]

I did. I sure did.

[B]

Like, it was. I don't know, the ocean had feelings.

[A]

Okay, well, I could tell you the whole vibe.

[B]

Come on, let's go.

[A]

Okay, so an astronaut, like anthropologist, whatever, whatever. He goes.

[B]

I can tell you the whole plot if you want. Astronaut or anthropologist.

[A]

He goes to this island, this planet.

[B]

Yeah, Barbie, you're crumbling.

[A]

I'm illiterate. I'm lying. I'm lying. Anyway, there's this sentient ocean and it really freaked me out because I'm like, can aliens be oceans? Fuck and fuck, fuck. And they. Mind control. But you wouldn't. There's levels of shit you don't even understand.

[B]

You're right. Caleb.

[A]

Please, Caleb, please.

[B]

You son me.

[A]

Please, please, please, please. Anyway, physics. So now I have been falling asleep to just, like, hours of people explaining the fabric of space and time, and I think I finally understood.

[B]

And I just want you to know I got it.

[A]

I got it. All this is to say I got it.

[B]

What do you think?

[A]

Well, I think it's fucking scary.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And it has been freaking me out because I'm like, okay, what are you talking about? That, like, space is literally like density. Like gravity is just like how heavy the planet is, bro. Dude. Anyway, I do smoke a lot of weed.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Just a side note. That's why I watch those.

[B]

Yeah? Yeah. Well, I hope you weren't going into this bone sober.

[A]

Well, no, I'm not. I did not smoke before.

[B]

Do you think you're good at giving advice?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

Or answering questions. Okay, put on your headphones. Okay, let's do it. We have a segment for you. We have a voicemail from a listener. Let's see if you can help them out. Wait, which one's okay? I found it.

[A]

I'm so excited.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Hi, Caleb, this is Angelica from Washington State. And I want to know the truth about how to get over someone successfully. We're not trying to do shortcuts. We're not trying to skimp on anything. How do you get over someone successfully? Love you guys. Bye, girl. Let me know, girl.

[B]

Hey, if you find out, give us a call.

[A]

I feel like shortcuts are the only way to go, baby. Aye, aye. Ay. Obviously you have to you know, read self help books and, you know, travel alone. Best practice.

[B]

The best way to get over somebody else is to get under somebody new.

[A]

I want that to be wrong so bad, but look, I want it to be wrong so bad, but look. Look at that. Look.

[B]

Let's take a look at the evidence.

[A]

The evidence is it's working. It's working. Unfortunately, that is a shortcut. I think that. What I think I always mention it. Eat, Pray, love. Because when I went through my big breakup, I was like, I was on my. Like. So I was not actually solo traveling, but like, the vibe was me. Like the solo traveler vibe. Like, I was basically a woman in her van vlogging every day. Like, but really in reality, I was just in la.

[B]

Here's what I'll say. It was a fun time to be on your close friends.

[A]

Okay. Close friends of mine. I will say I see the people who ignore my close friends because they know I'm too much.

[B]

It's not me.

[A]

It's not you, it's not me, and it's not you.

[B]

I'm reading them like texts.

[A]

And they are. They should be kept in a diary.

[B]

When you post a close friend story, I go walk in, lock in.

[A]

You gotta know what's going on.

[B]

I stick around.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I check it out, I say, what's going on?

[A]

I need an outlet. Like, that is like, for me. I need an outlet on the Internet. It. And even if it's to 30 of my closest friends and maybe a couple of my favorite pop stars, I just add in just to see if they'll watch it. Yeah. Which they sometimes do. Sometimes do, sometimes not. And I'm like, too much. But it's okay.

[B]

I overshared to Taylor Swift.

[A]

I'm so happy that you're my close friends reply guy. I love it.

[B]

Oh, I'm replying.

[A]

You do reply. And I love it because I know that you actually pay attention and you're like, you understand the arc of what I'm saying.

[B]

Yeah. I can sometimes almost guess something that you're going through just based on the meme. You know, it'll be like a meme that has nothing to do. And I'll be like, barbie, stop seeing that guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I'll just walk in. I'm like, I know what's going on. You know?

[A]

You know exactly what happened. The two week situationship is over. And so it's on the close friends.

[B]

God love us. The two week situationship.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sent from hell to destroy.

[A]

Yeah. That's like pretty much my whole New York?

[B]

Yeah. That's everyone's New York.

[A]

I think I try. Yeah. New York is. You would think that. It's so cold. People would want.

[B]

They would cling to warm.

[A]

Yeah. Cling to warm.

[B]

But instead, they shun it.

[A]

No, they shun the warm.

[B]

They.

[A]

They want to be isolated.

[B]

They do. They really do.

[A]

I don't know, but. Yeah.

[B]

I need you back out there.

[A]

I'll come back to New York. I now have to go to my mom's every Christmas because she decided upon it, so I'm gonna have to. So I will be in New York all the time.

[B]

Your mom who? My favorite thing you've said about your mom to me is that she just spends, like, all day cooking gourmet meals for her dog.

[A]

Yes. And now I have to do it. Wait, Cam. Okay, let's talk about it. My mom cooked for my dog for four months every day. She's a private chef. She's no longer really. She's, like, semi retired. She cooked for him and her dog all day. So now guess what I'm doing at home. So my dog eats his.

[B]

Well, you're a sous chef.

[A]

I had to make him peas, carrots. I made beef. Like, ground beef. Lean. My mom made me short. Lean.

[B]

Lean.

[A]

And I cooked it in water, no oil. And I put it to his. And then I put it with a little bit brown rice in his meal every day.

[B]

That's insane. You're locked in.

[A]

I have to. He won't eat if I don't do it. I mean, I love my animals, but this is a. This is a bit far.

[B]

This is a bit far.

[A]

He was having too much fun at grandma's house.

[B]

Grandma. I love her.

[A]

Who's now in the Maldives, like, living her best life.

[B]

She's real.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A lot of people aren't real anymore. But your mom is real.

[A]

My mom is, like, a bit too real.

[B]

She's some. Well, when she and I hang out privately, as we often do, you guys all you find out we have, like, a secret, private friendship.

[A]

I believe it. My mom is like. She is, like, growing up, she was like, the it girl, and I was like her little emo son next to her. Like, she was just, like, choppy black haircut.

[B]

Literally. I'm like snape.

[A]

Literally. Literally.

[B]

You're like, don't put the sorting hat on me. She's like, Barbie. She's like, barbie, please.

[A]

I would, like, literally, like, yes. I was like. And my mom just, like, this bombshell, like, tan. She would like the blonde highlights, and just, like, I kind of dress, like, you know, how she would, you know, like, going to PTA meeting, like, trying to be, like, you know, not too flashy, but still, like.

[B]

But still serving down. Yeah.

[A]

So, like, I would just always just be like. Like, hating on her joy, too. Hating on it.

[B]

Rooting on her downfall.

[A]

I would just be like, mom, are you so happy? Like, I was a nightmare. I'm glad I grew out of it.

[B]

You're like, I wish I lived with Dumbledore.

[A]

Dumbledore. You didn't understand. I was like, literally, I loved Harry Potter growing up. And. And, yeah, I did go to a convention. I went to a Harry Potter convention, and I did listen to something called Wizard Rock.

[B]

What house are you?

[A]

Ravenclaw.

[B]

You're Ravenclaw. Wow.

[A]

Cause I read.

[B]

I would've pegged you as a Hufflepuff.

[A]

I like Hufflepuffs.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

I don't like the basicness of, like, the Gryffindor. Slytherin, like, good versus evil. Like, boo. I want gray area.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I want gray area. I think Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are the real winners. It's not really about them. It's about the greater good. Good Gryffindor and Slytherin. Like, I'm falling asleep. It's like, it's like. Like, like the jocks. It's like we have a rivalry. I'm like, what about, like, who cares about Quidditch? Who cares? Sorry, I don't.

[B]

How about me and the other kids are having fun with the invisibility cloak.

[A]

In the library, and we're just. We're just. We're just having a good time and it's all about. Yeah. We're like. We're. We're sneaking in to the. To the. The. The private life, you know, where they have all the. The bad books.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know who I would. You know who I would love to play in Harry Potter?

[A]

Who?

[B]

Hagrid.

[A]

Hagrid.

[B]

He rocks. I love him.

[A]

Oh, my God. You have to get a big old dog.

[B]

He's cool as. Yeah. I get, like, dragons and you're a Wizard Harry. Yeah. That's what I want to be like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who would you want to play? Can't say. Hagrid. That's mine. Sorry, dude. Sorry, dude.

[A]

You know who I really like? I like Emma Thompson as the Divin Div. Divinate Divine.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

I got. No, I have it.

[B]

Try again.

[A]

I do speak for a living. Divination. Divination Professor. Yes. Tea leaves. And she has, like.

[B]

She's crazy as fuck. She's like always up in their face.

[A]

I like that. I like. I love a witchy woman. I. I hope to be like a witchy woman with just like all my, like my cloaks on towards the end of my life. Like, there's lots of like jewelry. Just like, lots of it.

[B]

I see that for you.

[A]

Yeah. I hope so.

[B]

I could also play Professor McGonagall.

[A]

I think you would be great.

[B]

Harry Potter.

[A]

Harry Potter.

[B]

See?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. We should do a two person show that's Harry Potter themed. That would reclaim it from that.

[A]

First of all, that would help us get laid. Hella.

[B]

First of all, we would get laid. We would get crazy.

[A]

Crazy people on the show being like, do I want.

[B]

Do I want to Hagrid or Professor, I forgot her name or the divinity. Divination.

[A]

Professor Divination.

[B]

Professor Divination. Heavy.

[A]

Better than doing like a specifically Harry Potter English accent.

[B]

Can we please do a one night only Harry Potter show?

[A]

Yeah, I actually would.

[B]

That'd be fucking sick.

[A]

I would. I would play. I will play every. We can. We'll.

[B]

Radio City Music Hall.

[A]

Yeah, we'll just do it like black box theater. Like, really stripped down.

[B]

Okay, Different. I said Radio City Music Hall. You said black box.

[A]

Actually, I think this should be really stripped down. I think it should be an intimate night.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

I think it should be like, really?

[B]

Just absolutely no industry tastemakers.

[A]

None.

[B]

All fans.

[A]

All fans.

[B]

All fans.

[A]

And fans of the theater.

[B]

Exactly correct. Fans of the theater.

[A]

No, I'm. I'm on.

[B]

That's you now.

[A]

I was on Broadway.

[B]

So that's you now. I was on Broadway. Yeah.

[A]

You ever heard of it?

[B]

Give my regards to Broadway.

[A]

My favorite thing about being on Broadway is that anytime I wanted to, like, if someone's like, hey, like, are you coming to this thing at 8? I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm on Broadway. I'm like, y'all know I can't. I wish I could, but it's eight shows a week.

[B]

You did that to me a couple times.

[A]

I have changed it to the theater kid that I've locked up inside.

[B]

I will say I texted you a couple times during the Broadway one to do something and be like, sorry, man, you know. You know how Broadway is. I love doing that. I don't. Barbie. I don't. It's just you, babe.

[A]

You know how it is. Eight shows a week. You know, it was really. It was really cool to see who came because. Well, I have to say this because I. I have to. I have to because it wasn't Kayla Barbie.

[B]

I wish I had made it. Dude. I'm fucking sick about it. Can I just say that?

[A]

Right? Okay. I want to hear a lot of it.

[B]

You know, I support you. And like, I miss this when you.

[A]

Like when the. The flight was canceled. So you missed my screen screening.

[B]

That was not. That's actually legitimately out of my control.

[A]

Where's the PJ?

[B]

Where is the PJ?

[A]

You need to go to a 15 person screening at the Tribeca.

[B]

I want nothing more than to be at that screening. Are you kidding? I was gonna bring a date too.

[A]

A day.

[B]

I was gonna bring a date.

[A]

A lot of people brought dates. Again, Fest.

[B]

It's a chic thing to do.

[A]

It's chic.

[B]

Whenever. Whenever I get invited to something artsy, I start sort of. I go, who am I? What date am I taking to this? Barbie, I have a segment for you.

[A]

Oh, I love a segment.

[B]

What? I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said was true or false. Okay.

[A]

I do remember this as well.

[B]

If you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you 50 US dollars.

[A]

I love this.

[B]

Let's go. You ready?

[A]

Oh my God. I'm so scared. Cuz I've seen people do really bad and really good.

[B]

I know. And we had an episode earlier today where the person did. I'm not. I'm just. They did really good. The house fly hums in the key of F. True. True. Life jackets used to be filled with sunflower seeds for flotation.

[A]

False.

[B]

True. Harry S. Truman's middle name is just.

[A]

The letter S silly enough to be. True. True.

[B]

Hackensack High School's newspaper is called the Comet Quarterly.

[A]

False.

[B]

False. It's.

[A]

It's something else. Comet.

[B]

The voice.

[A]

The voice.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The hack attack voice.

[B]

Yeah. An octopus has three hearts.

[A]

No. False.

[B]

True. Fuck. Mr. Resetti is a skunk character in Animal Cross Crossing.

[A]

False.

[B]

False. He's a mole.

[A]

I know all about animal crossing.

[B]

10. 10 trillion bricks were used in the building of the Empire State Building.

[A]

Was it made by bricks? I guess. Right? That's how you make. False.

[B]

False. It was 10 million bricks. I would assume the Gracie family invented Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

[A]

They did. Yeah. True.

[B]

The Sopranos ran for six seasons.

[A]

Falls. More.

[B]

True. Just. I wish it was more.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The Nintendo Switch was released in 2017.

[A]

False.

[B]

True. Fuck me.

[A]

I will never pay $50.

[B]

Newborn baby penguins are pink with no hair.

[A]

False.

[B]

False. Russia has a Larger surface area than Pluto.

[A]

False.

[B]

True.

[A]

What?

[B]

2025 is a leap year.

[A]

2025 is a leap year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No. False.

[B]

False. Disneyland closes at 8pm on Sundays.

[A]

I mean, I know this, of course. No, I don't, actually. False.

[B]

False. It's midnight. A group of frogs is called a flourish.

[A]

I love that. False.

[B]

False. It's an army. How'd she do? 10. Congratulations, baby.

[A]

I won the Beast Games.

[B]

Oh, my God, you did.

[A]

But Instead of like $250,000, it's $50 on my favorite podcast. Is my favorite podcast.

[B]

Oh, my God. Stop. Barbie. It's true. I'm ruining. Sorry about your show. I wish I had made it.

[A]

And I know sick about it.

[B]

I didn't know you were gonna ambush me like this.

[A]

I mean, we asked you to come.

[B]

On the podcast for a long time and you've. You waited until now to bring this up?

[A]

Yeah, that's really. I really wanted to see what you would say on camera.

[B]

Just that. I'm sorry. I really want to show up for you. I feel really sick about it.

[A]

I'm sensing a performance in there.

[B]

Barbie, look.

[A]

Drop in a little more. Look, Barbie, drop in a little more.

[B]

Okay, okay. Barbie, look. I really want to show up for you. Okay.

[A]

I see a smile.

[B]

Sorry. Sorry.

[A]

I said drop into the character, Daddy.

[B]

Okay. Okay. Can you just give me, like, action?

[A]

Okay. Whenever you're ready. Action, Barbie.

[B]

I'm sorry.

[A]

I like that choice.

[B]

Was that good?

[A]

Yeah, it's like. It really reflected the shock.

[B]

Yeah, it's like. I'm sorry.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Cause I'm shocked that I could hurt you like that, you know?

[A]

And you hurt me a lot. I cried many, many moves. Yeah. It's okay. I forgive you. I. I do forgive you.

[B]

Today is when I was finally gonna ask you to go.

[A]

You know, you can do. To make up for it. There's. We got recorded for the Lincoln center thingy, so you can go see it.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[A]

The library.

[B]

It's gonna be.

[A]

Wow. This is. There's a library that they recorded for. What is it? Tage, please help me out, because I'm a lot Broadway. I should know this cage.

[B]

What is it?

[A]

The Lincoln Center?

[B]

We don't know.

[A]

Public library. No, it's something. Okay. We were recorded prestigiously. Yeah, prestigiously for obc. The Lincoln Center. Broadway, Library. Well, anyway, it's recorded and you can watch it, but you can only watch it twice.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah, but it's there. I mean, you. It's not the same because.

[B]

Is it like a screening?

[A]

No, I actually have never done this, but from what I hear is that you, like, literally, you can watch it at the library.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

You know, what is it called? You don't have to do all that. You don't.

[B]

I think it's just called the Lincoln Center Archive.

[A]

Yes, Lincoln Center Archive.

[B]

And I can go in there and watch your show.

[A]

And I. And I will be making sure that. And I will quiz you after to make sure you're paying attention. You watch.

[B]

Watch it. It's, like, video recorded.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I am dead serious. Chance. Do not let me forget this. I'm going to do that, and then will we be good? Will we be solid?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Will you consider it amended? Deal? You have a deal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna go and do this, and I will report back to the listeners on. On the show.

[A]

Yeah. Post like, the show's done and just give me notes. Oh, I'm gonna be brutal.

[B]

I'm brutal. If you make me. You're making me go there. I'm gonna be brutal.

[A]

I'm making you go to the relationship.

[B]

You're sending me. You're sending me.

[A]

I'm pretty sure they, like, sit you down and you have to watch it there.

[B]

And I'm going to.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm really going to. Chance, let's go together when you're in New York next. I love that. I also want to talk about your new movie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Bob Trevino likes it.

[A]

Bob Trevini.

[B]

I'm so excited about it. It comes out in theaters February 21st in New York and LA.

[A]

March 21st.

[B]

March 21st, New York and L. A.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then wide release after that.

[A]

More cities if y'all see it.

[B]

If y'all go to New York and la. So New York and la. You need to step the fuck up.

[A]

It's actually such a sweet movie. And I'm not even like, I.

[B]

You love this movie?

[A]

I love this movie.

[B]

Like, in a real way. Not in a work way.

[A]

No, not in a work way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. This is my first movie that I did where I'm producing it, and it was. It's so sweet. We did it for, like, such little, like, the tiniest budget in the world. And it was so a labor of the heart. And it's so sweet and it's so kind, and you could bring, like, your whole family to it, which I think is, like, pretty, like, cool, because I feel like a lot of things now are just like. Which I love still, which is, like, just more like, shock value or a little bit more like, risque. And this one is just like, all heart, no gimmick.

[B]

Co starring John the Legend.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Absolute legend.

[A]

Absolute legend. Oh, my God.

[B]

How was it working with him?

[A]

Amazing. I was like, I wanted to get tea on everything, like, too on fu and stuff, but I did it. I was being cool. I was playing it cool. But he. He's just. He's an icon. I literally, like, grew up watching. I mean, first of all, Moulin Rouge was, like, one of my favorite movies growing up because theater kid and like, you know, just, you know, being ridiculous. I love Nicole Kidman, but he's just. He was incredible. It was really cool. And I thought I felt so, like, intimidated because I was like, it's just me and him, basically. And then of course, there's like, you know, incredible other characters, but, like, the. The. The friendship that our characters have.

[B]

The big bulk of it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Is that so? It was. It was so cool. We were in Kentucky, baby. Louisville, baby.

[B]

I remember when you were filming this.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Because I was going to maybe be going through Louisville and I was like, oh, my God, can we hang out?

[A]

I do remember that.

[B]

Do you remember? And I was like. I was like, what the fuck are you doing there?

[A]

You're like, I'm filming this movie.

[B]

The show got canceled. Barbie. This. This one wasn't my fault.

[A]

We have a lot of excuses.

[B]

I have a really complicated life is what I have.

[A]

Okay, I forgive you.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I love that this entire episode is just me guilt tripping you.

[B]

Honestly, I'm sure the listeners are going to like it. It's me getting a taste of my own medicine. This episode is kind of like Dakota Johnson on Ellen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it's a little like you're giving.

[A]

It back to me to your party.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little like, people, I think other. Other guests on the show will watch this and go, thank God.

[A]

Someone had to say it.

[B]

Someone finally got that.

[A]

Someone had to say it. I came in here with, like, a very, like, kind of like a, you know, a little bit too on the offense. I need to chill.

[B]

Came in with a point and a purpose, and I like it.

[A]

Yeah, I need to chill.

[B]

No, I'm so glad. I'm really excited about the movie. You are? I will say I've seen the way that you light up about this one. Like, you're excited about it in a very genuine way. And I really. I want people to go and I'm excited to watch it. I can't wait for people to see it.

[A]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

Guys, it's gonna be cool. Dude.

[A]

It's so sweet. And it's like, it's very personal to me. And the director and writer, Tracey Lehman, she. It's based off her life and she put her whole life into it. It's so sweet. And it's just one of those things where I am just like, it's a feel good movie, but also very like heartfelt and gritty in ways, but like, not in the way that you would expect. Especially. I feel like for me, like, I've been in, you know, euphoria is like very like sexy teenagers, you know, and like, you know, and then I've. The things I've been doing, you know, this is just so outside of what I'm used to. And it was. It's a very emotionally demanding role. And it was just a wonderful experience when you shot it like, what, almost two years ago, and it, it was crazy.

[B]

How long?

[A]

Kentucky, babe. Oh, things changed.

[B]

You were in Kentucky.

[A]

Oh, my God. Things took long. Okay. Because I've been. I've been out here waiting for one day for one of my movies to come out. Let's see. Yeah, thankfully, Bob breaking the mic. Yeah, I'm breaking everything here, but yeah, Bob Torino is so sweet. And I'm really. Everyone who's watched it has had a really, like, great reaction to it. Like a very, like, you know, it's a kind of movie where people after will like, start like, like thinking you're their therapist and like, start like talking.

[B]

About my dad when I was in middle school. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

No, no, no, Caleb, exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My. My mom's. My. My. My mom's fiance said that when he went to the bathroom during one of. I think it was like south by. Or like one of the screenings, there's a bunch of like grown men just crying and like getting it to try to keep it together in the bathroom.

[B]

I would love to see that. Yeah, I never see grown men.

[A]

You want to see the bathroom?

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I'm like, okay, how do we recreate the bathroom situation?

[A]

The men crying in a bathroom.

[B]

Men crying in a bathroom is actually like, that would move me for sure.

[A]

It was very.

[B]

It was.

[A]

It's. It's very. It's such a sweet movie. And it's so outside of what I usually do. That's why I really was excited about it. I was like, this is like, different in like a challenging way. And it was very, like, fleshed out role that was, you know. Also I'm playing a version of the director, obviously. Not exactly. We like Collaborated on both of our, like, ideas for the character. But it was. It was. I just remember even the crew, like, we had this really small crew and everyone was just, like, rooting for this movie. Like, we had bedbugs, bugs, and a trailer that we were shooting at. Yes. Bedbugs Barbie. We had lightning storms, which if you're in the know, you can't shoot with lightning, baby. You gotta wait.

[B]

And also, Kentucky bedbugs are so much more dangerous because how do you.

[A]

Wait.

[B]

They have guns.

[A]

They have guns.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Bedbugs can have unlicensed.

[B]

And they're religious fanatics.

[A]

And they're religious fanatics. Yeah.

[B]

That's really funny. A bedbug with a shotgun.

[A]

Religious cult in the trailer.

[B]

Yeah, that's really cool.

[A]

Yeah, it was really. It was. We had that. We had the lightning storms. We had, like, then the strike happened. We were like a true indie. So we ended up getting the interim agreement and it was like, you know, it was like, this is the little movie that could. We really had to try really hard to, like, make it happen. And we all, like, everyone, the crew, everyone was just like every day just crying with each other. And it was just. It was wonderful. It was the most amazing experience. It. Yeah.

[B]

I'm very excited for you. I'm very proud of you.

[A]

Thank you, darling.

[B]

And thank you for being on. We love you.

[A]

Thank you for having me so cool with Barbie Ferrera. So cool.

[B]

So true.

[A]

So true and so cool.

[B]

So true and so cool. Thanks for being here, babe. We love you.

[A]

Love you.

[B]

That was a hit gum podcast.

[A]

Hello and welcome. Or hi, my name is Cole.

[B]

My name is Andrew. We host a podcast called Podcast But Outside, where Cole and I set up a table on the sidewalk and talk to strangers who are walking, we have.

[A]

A sign on our table that says hi. Be a guest on our podcast and.

[B]

We will pay you $1.00. We are the only ethical podcast. We're the only podcast that pays. We have really interesting conversations with really fun folks.

[A]

Like who?

[B]

Like Marilyn.

[A]

Okay. And I was somebody else's wife for.

[B]

A while, but the second one worked.

[A]

Out well until he died.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

[A]

It turned out he had a double life.

[B]

What. What was the second life?

[A]

He was a crack at addict. Wait, how do you hide it?

[B]

Hold on. How do you hide?

[A]

I don't. He was a nice old Jewish guy.

[B]

How did he get addicted to crack?

[A]

He started smoking it. I know, but I just.

[B]

I'm just trying to.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That was a good clip.

[A]

Hey. Thank you.

[B]

And sometimes we even have celebrity friends of ours helping us to interview these random people off the street.

[A]

Like who?

[B]

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[A]

So please subscribe to podcast, but outside.

[B]

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