Charlie and Natalie Are in The Queue

Summary

Podcast Summary: So True with Caleb Hearon Episode: Charlie and Natalie Are in The Queue Release Date: July 3, 2025

Introduction In this episode of "So True with Caleb Hearon," hosted by the beloved gay comedian Caleb Hearon on Headgum, Caleb is joined by musician Charlie Puth and podcast personality Natalie McCray. The trio delves into topics ranging from podcast engagement within the LGBTQ+ community to personal romantic experiences, all while maintaining their signature humor and candidness.

Podcast Preparation and Engagement The episode kicks off with Caleb addressing the preparation for the show, highlighting that neither he nor his guests regularly listen to podcasts. This sets a relatable tone for listeners who might find themselves in similar situations.

• Caleb Hearon [01:34]: "You guys are supposed to prepare a. So have you guys listened to the show? Be honest."

Charlie acknowledges having listened to clips but emphasizes the entertainment value, setting up a humorous dynamic between the hosts.

• Charlie Puth [01:53]: "Because the clips were so funny."

Discussion on LGBTQ+ Community Engagement Caleb raises a poignant question about why gay men seem to disengage from his podcast, noting a lack of follow-back on social media compared to lesbians.

• Caleb Hearon [06:23]: "But it's gay guys. Gay guys don't follow me. You're blocked. They don't support me."

Natalie and Charlie explore potential reasons, touching on competitiveness and scarcity mindset within the gay male community.

• Natalie McCray [06:48]: "I think there is a competitiveness among gay men."

• Charlie Puth [08:04]: "And let's just name them that have a different social situations..."

Romantic Life Updates The conversation shifts to personal lives, with both Charlie and Natalie sharing their current romantic statuses. Natalie describes herself as "30, flirty and thriving," while Charlie expresses a longing for deeper connections despite being single.

• Natalie McCray [11:13]: "I'm 30, flirty and thriving. I'm going on dates, seeing if anything sticks, trying to love myself."

• Charlie Puth [12:44]: "I love New York. So that's combo."

Caleb humorously reflects on his own dating struggles, blending self-deprecation with insightful commentary.

• Caleb Hearon [13:03]: "I did move to New York to find love, but I wonder if I'm capable of it."

Anecdotal Stories and Humor Caleb shares an amusing story about a failed attempt to charm an Avis rental car employee to secure a vehicle, highlighting his social interactions and the humorous side of dating mishaps.

• Caleb Hearon [42:01]: "I was like, hey, hey, listen, it's just me and you..."

Natalie and Charlie add their humorous takes, creating a lighthearted atmosphere.

• Charlie Puth [43:33]: "He was like, oh my God, I'm sorry."

True or False Game Segment The trio engages in a lively game of "True or False," testing each other's knowledge with quirky facts. This segment not only entertains but also showcases their camaraderie and quick wit.

• Caleb Hearon [58:29]: "Bamboo can grow up to 35 in one day."

• Charlie Puth [59:17]: "No, it's tea."

Natalie impressively answers several questions correctly, adding to the playful competition.

Closing Remarks and Promotions As the episode nears its end, Caleb encourages listeners to engage further through Patreon for exclusive content, while also promoting Charlie and Natalie's own podcasts. The conversation wraps up with expressions of mutual appreciation and affection among the hosts.

• Caleb Hearon [81:58]: "We're donating it."

• Natalie McCray [82:05]: "If you made it this far..."

Notable Quotes

• Caleb Hearon [06:21]: "It's a competition mindset, a scarcity mindset, especially when there's a kind of outspokenness or confidence..."

• Natalie McCray [07:31]: "Sometimes people just act like they know you, and it's like it's okay to be like, I don't know who you are. I'm giving you warmth."

• Charlie Puth [08:14]: "You're the sociopath I thought you were."

Conclusion "Charlie and Natalie Are in The Queue" offers listeners an engaging blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and insightful discussions about social dynamics within the LGBTQ+ community. Caleb Hearon, alongside his guests, creates a welcoming space that balances lighthearted banter with thoughtful conversations, making it a compelling listen for both regular followers and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Caleb Hearon]

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[Charlie Puth]

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[Caleb Hearon]

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[Natalie McCray]

By the way, do we need to know anything?

[Caleb Hearon]

You guys are supposed to prepare a. So have you guys listened to the show? Be honest.

[Charlie Puth]

I have.

[Caleb Hearon]

You've never once listened to the show.

[Natalie McCray]

But I've watched clips.

[Caleb Hearon]

You've never once listened to the show?

[Natalie McCray]

No, but I don't really listen to talk podcasts because I'm afraid I'm gonna steal the demeanor of the people.

[Caleb Hearon]

I don't listen to podcasts either, but it's like, Charlie, we're close.

[Charlie Puth]

You know why I did?

[Caleb Hearon]

Why?

[Charlie Puth]

Because the clips were so funny.

[Caleb Hearon]

You mean that?

[Charlie Puth]

I mean it. That I needed more. But remember I brought that custards.

[Caleb Hearon]

My gay guy community.

[Charlie Puth]

I love comedy podcasts. Like he doesn't listen.

[Caleb Hearon]

Do you know what it is though? I will say gay guys refuse to support me.

[Natalie McCray]

I am completely lesbians.

[Caleb Hearon]

Charlie, I want you to speak on this, actually, not for you. I know that we're, you know, we're getting have an opportunity to get closer all the time, but what do you think it is about me that makes gay guys run away? But.

[Charlie Puth]

But have you. Let's just make sure we're doing. Doing this all the way. Have you listened to our podcast to ours, by any chance?

[Caleb Hearon]

Well, I think. Huh.

[Charlie Puth]

This is good.

[Natalie McCray]

It's an interesting question. It's definitely an interesting question.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's the way you worded it threw me off a little bit. Yeah. What do you mean?

[Natalie McCray]

It's just confusing. I get that.

[Charlie Puth]

I think it's more like, you know, we're all professional. We're in the back of the club, you know, someone's up on stage, we're chatting.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

You know, we don't need to be watching all the time. Which we respect.

[Caleb Hearon]

Were you asking if I've listened to a full episode of your podcast?

[Charlie Puth]

Was that the question? I was trying to ask the same question.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh. Back to me about yours. Yeah, I have not.

[Charlie Puth]

So maybe. But think about how you love us and you still.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, I love you both, but I don't want to see you both.

[Charlie Puth]

So that's what Charlie. So imagine now.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So just for me, like, for you, like, exactly.

[Charlie Puth]

This was good.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, it was really helpful.

[Natalie McCray]

It really saved me. So I really.

[Charlie Puth]

By the way, I look like a fucking simp, but I'm down for that. Like, I abandoned my desire.

[Natalie McCray]

Can I take it again when you ask?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, but I do want to get back to me. Okay.

[Natalie McCray]

Okay.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, yeah. No, that's a. I do think we get.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, well, that's a separate thing that needs to be gotten into. I want to ask both of you questions about me on this episode.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Okay. Charlie, have you listened to my show?

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Really?

[Natalie McCray]

I love it.

[Caleb Hearon]

What's your favorite episode?

[Natalie McCray]

I love the one you did with Britney Broski. Safe bet.

[Caleb Hearon]

Really Safe bet. That's beautiful.

[Natalie McCray]

I love yours and Brittany's because I love your chemistry together.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

And I thought it was funny and I laughed and I thought at times it was really poignant and interesting and it made me feel warm.

[Charlie Puth]

Landon.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Landon.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. You're killing this.

[Natalie McCray]

I commented on the YouTube video. I just said loved it on the YouTube video just because I didn't want to take up too much space. So I just said loved it on the YouTube video. And you can check.

[Caleb Hearon]

You want to leave room for other commenters.

[Natalie McCray]

Didn't want to take up too much space. I had a paragraph. Listen, this Is what happened. Paragraphs and paragraphs. Thought about, you know, oh, you said this, you said this, you said this. Deleted all that. Just said, loved it.

[Caleb Hearon]

I think you did worse on this issue.

[Charlie Puth]

I thought it was great. And then it did not end. It got more.

[Natalie McCray]

I dug myself a hole.

[Charlie Puth]

You did, because you started saying things that were factually, provably false.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm like, I'm listening to it now on my phone and I can show you right now. It's the last thing.

[Charlie Puth]

I texted you. I texted you this and I called you.

[Natalie McCray]

I called you during it and. Cause I was listening to it live from the door.

[Caleb Hearon]

Fuck. I have to tell you guys, when we get off mic and the listeners hate when I do this, remind me to tell you a story about someone who did something so psychotic to me at a party recently. I can't say what it is because it's so specific. They would know it was.

[Natalie McCray]

This is called the podcaster's treat. And that's when we get to know a secret off mic story.

[Caleb Hearon]

And then sometimes the listeners will be in the comments, like, don't bring shit up if you're not gonna. Fuck you. I'll do what I want. It's my show. I'll do what I want.

[Charlie Puth]

Very. I really admire your relationship with your fans.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

You're super stern with them. It's like they need to know it's firm. It's like a type of motherhood that's like, I'm not your friend. I'm your podcaster.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm your podcaster. Like, it's a different. I have a life outside of you.

[Natalie McCray]

It's not a democracy. Hi, I'm in charge here.

[Caleb Hearon]

Hi. It's a cheer tatership. Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

It's a wet.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's chirocracy. It's a cheer tatership.

[Natalie McCray]

That's right. What is that? That's right.

[Caleb Hearon]

You from Bring it on. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Caleb Hearon]

I thought I'm flopping with you guys today. Wait, say that. I did want to ask you.

[Natalie McCray]

Seriously so far, but we could change it. Really? Well from here on out.

[Caleb Hearon]

My tummy really hurts. I had a poke bowl from Bondi.

[Natalie McCray]

I knew it.

[Caleb Hearon]

Bondi. Bondi. Which. How do you guys say it?

[Charlie Puth]

Sushi over there.

[Natalie McCray]

I would never say.

[Caleb Hearon]

Not that one. But yes, you have said it to me before.

[Natalie McCray]

I would never say that stuff.

[Caleb Hearon]

So you've ordered it in front of me. I think Bondi, really good poke bowl. But my tummy is hurting right now.

[Charlie Puth]

Sucks ass you know what can help?

[Caleb Hearon]

What?

[Charlie Puth]

It's Coke. Oh, you're having it.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, I'm having a Coke. I'm hoping it'll.

[Charlie Puth]

You're doing medicine.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, my God. I had a. I had a whole bout of nausea this morning.

[Caleb Hearon]

What happened?

[Natalie McCray]

I don't know. It just came. I mean, can you even believe that?

[Caleb Hearon]

I do.

[Charlie Puth]

But how did it go away exactly?

[Natalie McCray]

And it just did.

[Caleb Hearon]

You have tummy issues sometimes. I know that about you.

[Natalie McCray]

But who among us. Do you know what I mean, doesn't.

[Caleb Hearon]

I think they're.

[Natalie McCray]

My friend Caleb has a tummy ache right now.

[Caleb Hearon]

I do at the moment. But I wanted to ask you guys. I brought you here to ask you. What is it that gay guys Will. Will. If. Here's what I'll tell you. I've noticed if. If I see any lesbian on Instagram, like, if someone tags a lesbian friend and an Instagram story and I click on their page, there's a 95% chance they follow me.

[Charlie Puth]

They're following you.

[Caleb Hearon]

When that. When I. When the same thing happens. But it's gay guys. Gay guys don't follow me. You're blocked. They don't support me. Basically.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

What do you think I'm giving. That's not welcoming to gay men?

[Natalie McCray]

I think there is a competitiveness.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Among gay men.

[Caleb Hearon]

Do you can be.

[Natalie McCray]

For a sense of limited resources, a sense of. Especially when there is like a kind of outspokenness or confidence that people are like, okay, what, you think you're better than me?

[Caleb Hearon]

And do you?

[Natalie McCray]

I don't know.

[Caleb Hearon]

I don't. But I wonder if that's why I don't like certain gay guys. Because they think you're no me to them. I wonder if I'm being. I wonder if I'm being. What's the word I'm looking for? Scarce. Scarce.

[Natalie McCray]

Scarcity mindset. Well, you know what I think sometimes how I respond to that when. Because I do sense that too, in me sometimes. Where people are like, like. Or, like a little cold or, like, kind of tough, and I just meet it with kindness.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so true about you.

[Charlie Puth]

You're laughing because you mean it.

[Natalie McCray]

You're laughing because you mean it with kindness. Completely. And people be.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, what do you.

[Natalie McCray]

How do you know at this party, you know, I just say, I'm so happy to see you. I love those pants on you.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Say that kind of stuff.

[Caleb Hearon]

That is how you get gay guys to warm to you.

[Natalie McCray]

Actually, you do have to kill them with kindness. You say Ugh. You look so cute today. Say that kind of stuff and people just melt like that.

[Caleb Hearon]

It works for you, Charlie, because you're so. You are so charming and likable, and I mean that. But there are gay guys who try to do this stuff that they're. They're. I'm thinking of at least three prominent gay men that I don't like.

[Charlie Puth]

And let's just name them that have a.

[Caleb Hearon]

Different social situations, tried to, like, charm me into liking them. And I'm like, this only makes me more convinced that you're the sociopath I thought you were.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's so. So calculated.

[Caleb Hearon]

Right. Being like, oh, my God, lovey. Like, I'm like, we have barely spoken, and when we have, I've been cold to you.

[Charlie Puth]

This is actually a very. I think this is very astute. And we're getting to something really good here.

[Caleb Hearon]

Get into it.

[Charlie Puth]

And I am going to moderate in some ways.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, you're going to. You're. You're a panelist. You're not a moderator. You're a panelist.

[Natalie McCray]

Turning again to Caleb.

[Charlie Puth]

Well, I'm just saying, like, I feel like I study gay guys and you guys are them. So I'm like, I can come in, but I can only say so much.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's researcher subjects.

[Natalie McCray]

Exactly.

[Charlie Puth]

I've anthropologically put myself among them.

[Caleb Hearon]

Can I just commend you real quick? You clearly almost stumbled on anthropologically, but the. The way you persevered and, like, push through knowing that you were up until 5am I don't know if we got that on recording, but, like, that bravery, to be honest.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, I fought for every syllable that came out of my mouth.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. And honey, they fought back.

[Charlie Puth]

They were swinging. And if you're listening, I would just hit the reverse 30 seconds and go hear it again.

[Caleb Hearon]

Run it back.

[Charlie Puth]

I think I didn't know when the word was going to end. So every anthropo, you're like, sound. I was doing the voice of it being the last sound.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

The cumulative sound.

[Caleb Hearon]

But I don't want to distract from what you were trying to say.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, yeah. Well, basically, I think there is a sweet spot. First of all, I do think gay guys can be cagey with each other as a default.

[Natalie McCray]

Everybody's wounded.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Let me say that to camera. Everybody's wounded. Everybody's wounded.

[Charlie Puth]

And second of all, I feel like it's like a sweet spot of, like, warm, but not over warm, but respectfully. Like, like, sometimes people just act like they know you, and it's like it's okay to be like, I don't know who you are. I'm giving you warmth. But we don't know each other.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's warmth. Not over familiarity.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Don't be overly familiar with it.

[Charlie Puth]

But, you know what is a problem, I think, is that you're kind of known because you've a podcast. So I think it really confuses people.

[Caleb Hearon]

They think they know me. They think they know you know my podcast? Not yet. I was like, wait a minute, what is this?

[Natalie McCray]

When did you get into podcasting?

[Caleb Hearon]

I mean, fair enough. No, but it's. Yeah, they. They know my podcast, not my story. They don't like swag.

[Charlie Puth]

I honestly have a really hard time being around people who I know from their work, and I don't know them.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, I literally.

[Caleb Hearon]

I actually don't know.

[Natalie McCray]

It's like, it's so hard to calibrate. You're like, do I go really familiar? No. Do I, like, pretend I don't know who you are at all?

[Caleb Hearon]

No.

[Natalie McCray]

There's something in the middle, but it's easy to misfire for me.

[Charlie Puth]

It's impossible.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm like, I love your recipes, but whatever. Like, I don't care. And I'm like, sorry.

[Caleb Hearon]

And then you're, like, stressed out.

[Natalie McCray]

I get really freaked out.

[Caleb Hearon]

I feel like in that situation, I'll just be like, obviously, I know a bunch about you from the Internet, but it's nice to meet you. And then I behave sort of normally. Is that crazy to say?

[Charlie Puth]

No, I do that too.

[Natalie McCray]

I've never even considered that I default.

[Charlie Puth]

To, like, I know. Oh, I know you too far. I know of you. I love you. Yeah, I'm a fan.

[Natalie McCray]

You do just have to name it. You have to be like, well, obviously, I know you're from the Internet, but I love your hair.

[Caleb Hearon]

Wait, can I ask you something? What's your guys's romantic life updates? Holy. I haven't seen either of you in a minute.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, you're.

[Charlie Puth]

You're kind of 30, flirty and thriving.

[Natalie McCray]

That is actually what I'm having. I'm 30, flirty and thriving. I'm, you know, going on dates, seeing if anything sticks, trying to love myself.

[Caleb Hearon]

Nice.

[Natalie McCray]

And it's trying.

[Caleb Hearon]

Nice, Charlie. Nice.

[Charlie Puth]

Nice, nice, nice, nice.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, like, figuring it out. I don't think I have a clean narrative yet on what exactly is going on in my life right now. I was thinking it's odd to be single. It's like I've been single for an extended period for the first time. Since I was like 23, honestly. And I'm legit. Like, where is my little friend?

[Caleb Hearon]

I was just feeling an energy from you that maybe you were kind of seeing somebody right now. Whoa.

[Natalie McCray]

Maybe that is an energy in the future. And I am soon to be premonition.

[Caleb Hearon]

Of your premonition into it. Holy. I just felt like that my situation. My situation is, look, I'm a guy who has a lot of fun, so.

[Natalie McCray]

True.

[Caleb Hearon]

I have a lot of fun out there.

[Charlie Puth]

Sound like the guys from Summer House.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. I'm like, looking for a good time.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm like, yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, I didn't. Look, look, look, look, look. I mean, it's like everyone's here to have fun.

[Charlie Puth]

I thought, I want to have fun. We have amazing connection. I love you.

[Natalie McCray]

You and I are bachelors.

[Caleb Hearon]

We're bachelors.

[Natalie McCray]

We're bachelors.

[Caleb Hearon]

Let's just name it. We're bachelors.

[Natalie McCray]

We are bachelors. And it's cool because it's like, I now live alone, so I'm like, I have a bachelor pad. And, like, I get home and I'm like, so this is my bachelor pad. Like, I don't have a kid. I don't have a wife, even.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Not it yet.

[Natalie McCray]

Not yet. Fingers crossed. You know what I mean?

[Caleb Hearon]

I did move to New York to find love, but I wonder if I'm capable of it.

[Charlie Puth]

I just cried out.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, you actually.

[Charlie Puth]

I'm so happy. Well, it made me happy because first of all, I love. Love.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

I love New York.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yes.

[Charlie Puth]

So that's combo. And second of all, third. I think, actually, I like that. It's like, if you're just saying that, first of all, people are so afraid to say that. Second of all, it's like, then you're in a movie.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

And that I like.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

I will say I did move here with the intent of finding love. And I did. I. I am facing the problem is I'm still. It's still me. And so I'm. I get really. I'm so good at dating and romance. I'm really fun to date. I'm really good at picking dates. I'm really good at sending flowers. I call a lot. I'm an incredible person to date. I can't lie to you.

[Charlie Puth]

Second, like, you're so creative. You're so nice. I could see that being really good. Honestly, I feel like you're like. And by the way, like, I'm like. I'm saying a bunch of stuff, like, about you. I'm not, like, positive about it, but let me know If I'm wrong, it's fun. You're very independent. Like, you really have a fun life. You enjoy your life. Right. And so you're gonna get your bachelor style. Enjoying your life. Throwing it down.

[Natalie McCray]

Can I say something after you're done?

[Caleb Hearon]

Great.

[Charlie Puth]

So the queue has been set. If anyone else wants to get in line, you can.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm gonna put me up after that.

[Charlie Puth]

Okay. And then I want to get after Caleb, so it's gonna go me, Charlie.

[Caleb Hearon]

And let's just go round robin.

[Charlie Puth]

And I almost said Jacob, and I don't know who that was gonna be among you two.

[Caleb Hearon]

Okay, no worries.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, probably Caleb because of the B at the end.

[Caleb Hearon]

The B is what I was going with. That's cool.

[Natalie McCray]

I never thought about that with Jacob.

[Charlie Puth]

I mean, how about the whole A love?

[Caleb Hearon]

How about that J?

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, no, it's a cop.

[Caleb Hearon]

It was close, though. I liked what you were trying.

[Charlie Puth]

How about a love? A cub?

[Caleb Hearon]

You were reaching for something beautiful. We shot for the moon and we landed amongst the stars with Caleb and Jacob.

[Charlie Puth]

Really? I'm going. So what's. What I would say is. It's not that I'm messing.

[Natalie McCray]

Sorry. I was just laughing because I was like. I was gonna ask you, like, have you ever met anyone named Jacob?

[Caleb Hearon]

No. I would love to.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm like, I think I could find. I haven't either. But I bet you we could find someone for you. I've dreamed of it.

[Charlie Puth]

I'm not sure we have one.

[Natalie McCray]

We do have one.

[Caleb Hearon]

Don't even dreamed of it.

[Natalie McCray]

We introduce you to our friend Jacob.

[Caleb Hearon]

Single, gay.

[Charlie Puth]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

Attractive.

[Charlie Puth]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

Fun.

[Charlie Puth]

Gorgeous. Warm.

[Caleb Hearon]

Successful.

[Charlie Puth]

So warm.

[Caleb Hearon]

Love in his life.

[Charlie Puth]

No.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

Or what do you mean? Not romance? I just. No, I just meant, like, a lot.

[Charlie Puth]

Of love surrounding him. No one loves him. He's an A.

[Caleb Hearon]

No. He has nothing. He has nothing. He lives in dark, cold.

[Natalie McCray]

He's lonely. He's lonely, scared.

[Caleb Hearon]

Monk, you're in cold darkness. He's in a cave of emotion. Okay. Yeah. Connect us.

[Charlie Puth]

He won he. In eighth grade. He was the. He placed in the statewide pommel horse competition.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

So he's really big arms.

[Caleb Hearon]

It really took me a second to understand that we weren't talking about a present day 8th grader just now. And I was like.

[Charlie Puth]

No, we are.

[Caleb Hearon]

I was like, hold on.

[Charlie Puth]

We love him though. He's adorable.

[Natalie McCray]

There's an age difference.

[Caleb Hearon]

Wait, are you guys tapped into the Bradley Cooper age gap relationship? Gigi with Gigi Hadid.

[Charlie Puth]

I never thought of them as age gap.

[Caleb Hearon]

She is 30, and I believe he's 63. He's quite a bit older than her.

[Charlie Puth]

I actually have a little lot of things to say to them. Okay. I want to say something about me messing up my words today.

[Natalie McCray]

Okay.

[Charlie Puth]

So yes, they are getting the best of me and I'm swinging my fists and they are swinging back. But that's opening me up to finding out new interesting things about the words. So I'm grateful.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Like a love a cub. Remember that. So that wouldn't have happened if I hadn't of like had all that trouble. So I can't. Yes.

[Natalie McCray]

Sometimes when you stay up really late, it actually opens up a new way of thinking. Genuinely staying up really late and getting really caffeinated can really generate creativity.

[Caleb Hearon]

I will say there have been.

[Natalie McCray]

It's not my thing from the queue, by the way.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, that's not your thing. Working back to the queue. Of course I will say that. The number of times. It's funny how many times in my life I have accidentally stayed up until 6am and then been like, you know what? I'm just gonna start the next day and stay awake.

[Charlie Puth]

Really?

[Caleb Hearon]

And then been like. And then at like 7 or 8am been like, I've gotten a million things done. I've cleaned the house, I've gone to the grocery store, I've taken a walk and I'm like, I'm gonna start doing this every day. I'm getting up at 6am every day. Tonight when I go to bed, it'll reset me forever.

[Charlie Puth]

Right? The reset.

[Caleb Hearon]

And then at 10am I fall asleep for five hours. I wake up so depressed I want to kill myself.

[Natalie McCray]

The midday nap, you're like, I don't exist anymore.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, that's one of the worst feelings. Waking up from a five hour daytime nap. It's already d. There's no text on your phone. I don't even know how to find that.

[Caleb Hearon]

Put me in a cage. That comment put me in a cage.

[Natalie McCray]

You have to be like, that's not happening to any of us right now.

[Charlie Puth]

You have to. Let's remember that right now.

[Caleb Hearon]

Specifically, no text on the phone.

[Charlie Puth]

I know.

[Caleb Hearon]

Specifically no miss text, no miss calls, no. No notifications.

[Natalie McCray]

That's just like, take your meds.

[Caleb Hearon]

Or like a notification from my door. Dash. That's like, we will deliver food. Like, it's like, oh my God.

[Natalie McCray]

A reminder about like the existence of Uber.

[Caleb Hearon]

Somebody. I don't remember who did it, but somebody online once said the funniest thing. They were like, how come every time you get a notification from your bank you have to click in 17 times to open it. And then when you do, it's just a letter that says, we are your bank. Pay where you're bank.

[Charlie Puth]

They're like, face id. They take, like, a blood sample to make sure it's you.

[Caleb Hearon]

There's an inbox in the Chase app. You're like, when has it ever been there?

[Natalie McCray]

You're like, I'm not messaging within the app. I don't know when that would come up.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, but we. I think in the queue, we were with you.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah. I don't got it, y'.

[Caleb Hearon]

All. Nothing. Okay, yeah. We'll move on to Charlie.

[Natalie McCray]

This is going back to talking.

[Charlie Puth]

Ready? I feel like.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, sorry. I had it. I did a little mind palace, so I remembered what my cue item was.

[Charlie Puth]

Do you remember the other thing in the mind palace? You started it the other day. Yeah, I'm there. Me. I'm like, in a wig.

[Natalie McCray]

I feel like I don't remember.

[Charlie Puth]

Whatever.

[Natalie McCray]

Everybody's there in the mind palace.

[Caleb Hearon]

This.

[Natalie McCray]

This is. Okay, I was talking about.

[Charlie Puth]

You're making me do something disgusting just.

[Natalie McCray]

So I can remember that. We need to get our nails done or something.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, exactly. Correct.

[Natalie McCray]

This was talking about. Oh, being bachelors. And this is what I was gonna say. Something that has helped me make sense of being single is I reframed. Instead of being, like, having a gay standard of having sex, where it's like, you know how gay guys sometimes have sex, like, twice a day? And so if you're, like, not doing that, you're like, what am I even doing? I'm basically. I started reframing sex like a straight guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

And straight guys are like. They talk about, like, they're like, I got laid. And I'm like, that's cool. It's like, a big accomplishment. I got laid last night. And it doesn't, like, happen that often. It's like. So when it does, you're like, I got lucky. And that has really helped me and feels good. And also, it's like this. Like, it's more comfortable, like, wanting as a straight guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

You're allowed to be like, oh, man. Like, I'm so. It's like, actually, Bruce Springsteen kind of helped me get into it. Like, he's really just like, I'm so horny.

[Caleb Hearon]

Fuck.

[Natalie McCray]

And I'm like, that's kind of. Kind of how I feel. It's cool.

[Charlie Puth]

I didn't know that about him.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. Yeah. He's been really helpful for me in accessing a part of my. Honestly, masculinity. It's Cool.

[Caleb Hearon]

Gay guys treat sex like a twice a day medication.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes, exactly.

[Caleb Hearon]

Like, it's like a thing. You just have to.

[Charlie Puth]

It's like a probiotic.

[Natalie McCray]

It's like, necessary.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's boring.

[Natalie McCray]

It's just like, I just need to.

[Charlie Puth]

And it's like, are you, like, are you hooking up? Are you seeing anyone? It's like, no. I mean, I had sex this morning and I'm seeing someone tonight, but I'm not.

[Natalie McCray]

Right.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. It's like you just message someone. You're like, what do you like? Okay, come over. And then you do that. You do that. It's barely even an act. You, like, do the chore.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, exactly.

[Caleb Hearon]

And then it's like, get to sleep.

[Natalie McCray]

Have sex, do the dishes.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. It's like wiping down the counter. It's like, I just fuck someone.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

And then they leave and. Yeah, but straight guys will really be like, oh, man, there's this fine girl I really want to bed. Yeah, exactly.

[Natalie McCray]

Exactly. And I'm like, bring that energy into my life a little bit.

[Charlie Puth]

It's cool because you're acting like it's like, so girls don't want to have sex. Allegedly. And guys do. Allegedly. And by the way, it's true.

[Caleb Hearon]

That's what you're alleging. And it's true.

[Charlie Puth]

Those are your words. You were right when you said them. So you're like, you're scoring.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

But you're scoring on, like, the whole thing is the goal.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, it couldn't be easier.

[Natalie McCray]

It could be easier. So it's like making myself feel really good because it's like, whenever I like.

[Charlie Puth]

By the way, it's still so hard.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, whatever.

[Charlie Puth]

It's like, in my opinion.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, exactly.

[Caleb Hearon]

When a straight guy convinces a woman to have sex with him, it's like from 300 yards away, he shot a can off a rock with a BB gun. When a giga has sex, it's like you were five feet away from a barn and you kicked a soccer ball and hit the barn. You know, it's like, it is such a different.

[Natalie McCray]

Exactly.

[Charlie Puth]

And by the way, like, bumpers all the way there.

[Caleb Hearon]

So now imagine if you were playing soccer, her against barn, but you treated it like BB gun from 300 yards. Another one got it. Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

I think I'm being. I have a protector above. I'm with divine problem.

[Charlie Puth]

You're like, I get a point off Serena.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

You're like, feeling so bad.

[Caleb Hearon]

Bruce Springsteen guided my dick.

[Charlie Puth]

Bruce Springsteen kicked the ball. It doesn't even go. But then someone just comes in he's like, oh.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, touches the barn.

[Natalie McCray]

Another one.

[Caleb Hearon]

Bruce Springsteen guides me into a man. Yeah, it's really beautiful.

[Charlie Puth]

No, but I think that's awesome because.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, that's my idea.

[Charlie Puth]

That's like.

[Caleb Hearon]

Like.

[Charlie Puth]

It is. It is. It's great.

[Natalie McCray]

Thank you.

[Charlie Puth]

It's great to have.

[Caleb Hearon]

I think you have a beautiful mentality.

[Natalie McCray]

Thank you.

[Caleb Hearon]

I really want to commend you.

[Natalie McCray]

And that was my Q item. And now I relinquish my space.

[Caleb Hearon]

And back to me.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. It's up to you.

[Caleb Hearon]

What do you guys think is the most important thing going on right now? And it can't be serious.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, well, I don't know, but can I say something else that is important about ggn?

[Caleb Hearon]

Can I stop you real quick? You guys can say anything in here. This is your time and space.

[Natalie McCray]

Thank you.

[Caleb Hearon]

This is your episode. This is about you.

[Charlie Puth]

I'm happy.

[Caleb Hearon]

I don't want to get you confused just because I started out asking you questions about me. That's just how I am. This is about you guys.

[Charlie Puth]

This is our big data shop.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm answer more questions about you.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'll ask more later.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, yeah, I do want to do that, actually.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, I'll ask more later.

[Charlie Puth]

Sounds fun.

[Caleb Hearon]

I do wonder what you guys think.

[Natalie McCray]

Miranda, Carrie, Let me say. Let me say.

[Caleb Hearon]

Dude. Okay, hold on, Charlie, because I'm going to fucking cry.

[Charlie Puth]

Be careful, okay?

[Caleb Hearon]

Because as the listeners know.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, my God, it's fraught.

[Charlie Puth]

Okay, okay.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, okay. I just. I. I, like, put this to my followers once on Instagram, and I really could cry because, like, a lot of people said I was Charlotte and, like, wait, I'm not a virgin. I'm not tight like that.

[Charlie Puth]

Sorry.

[Natalie McCray]

Like, that is completely wrong.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm not a fan. It's like, no chance, you know?

[Natalie McCray]

I'm like, no way.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, I don't like it.

[Natalie McCray]

No. I mean, I have two options for you, and I hope it's okay.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's okay.

[Natalie McCray]

Here's my first.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Miranda.

[Caleb Hearon]

Okay.

[Natalie McCray]

And second is Carrie.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, really? I was gonna say Samantha first.

[Caleb Hearon]

Thank you.

[Charlie Puth]

Because it's like, you always have a joke, you're going out, but I think.

[Natalie McCray]

Your life is a little more serious than hers.

[Caleb Hearon]

Serious.

[Natalie McCray]

She's sometimes in the show. Yes. And honestly, it's a great plot line and I'm sorry.

[Charlie Puth]

So you liked it.

[Natalie McCray]

But sometimes in the show, it's like she's a little bit sidelined where it's like, they're going through such real shit until the very end, and she's like, like, dating a guy who, like, who's making her have sex in a dump truck.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

And you're like, they think you, like, take your life.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, you're like, that's not nice.

[Caleb Hearon]

She's like, I don't have a big. As much as the next gal. But yeah, it's like Samantha.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, I know. A dump truck, but this is ridiculous.

[Caleb Hearon]

Right?

[Natalie McCray]

Exactly. That is how I see you. I see you as being a little bit more, like, serious about your life. Thank you.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, my God. Is there an iPhone charger in here?

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Can I plug my phone in?

[Charlie Puth]

That was crazy.

[Caleb Hearon]

I just remembered I'm gonna have to leave here. My phone is on 6%. Oh, isn't it good that I thought of that?

[Charlie Puth]

No, that's not right. I feel like it can't work and.

[Caleb Hearon]

Now we don't have one.

[Charlie Puth]

No. I see it dangling. I feel like it's. Isn't it right there? Yeah. Doesn't that feel like it?

[Natalie McCray]

Wow. That is.

[Caleb Hearon]

Is it correct? Oh, that's also not correct.

[Charlie Puth]

All right. That's my bag.

[Natalie McCray]

I have one in my bag.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, it's not worth it. I'm gonna handle it later.

[Charlie Puth]

It's not worth it. What are you talking about? You're gonna be screwed.

[Caleb Hearon]

You think this one will work? Oh, I have to unplug the keyboard. Oh, do you need the keyboard? Not right now. Okay. Beautiful. And leave this all in, because I want people to know that, like, this.

[Charlie Puth]

Is how you're treated.

[Natalie McCray]

Also, people are like, oh, that's your job. Your job is podcasting. It's not that easy.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, I have a lot of stuff that goes on.

[Charlie Puth]

I don't charge your phone. I feel like that was more of, like, a your top of the call sheet moment.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh.

[Charlie Puth]

You were like, I need a charger. And we were all like, there will be one.

[Caleb Hearon]

We can find one. I'll get one. I'll get one.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, that was crazy.

[Natalie McCray]

You're right. You're right.

[Caleb Hearon]

I would have done the same for either of you.

[Charlie Puth]

I know.

[Caleb Hearon]

You know?

[Charlie Puth]

Well, if I had to leave a place and not have my phone.

[Caleb Hearon]

You what, baby?

[Natalie McCray]

What?

[Charlie Puth]

Itching my thumb like this.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

That's cute. And this really adorable podcast is film.

[Charlie Puth]

Okay.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

We put out the full video, guys.

[Natalie McCray]

Amazing.

[Charlie Puth]

So what I want to say about Gigi and Bradley.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, God.

[Charlie Puth]

Something I said before.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Which is, like, when people are like, he's gay. It's a beard.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Can you say that?

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. That's why I got really silent on the issue Because I don't know what to say besides that.

[Charlie Puth]

Well, my thing to say to that is like, no, it's not. Because when you see the two of them together, they have no chemistry.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

And if you ever put a gay guy in front of a girl that pretty. Yeah, they would have chemistry.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

It would be.

[Caleb Hearon]

Lit.

[Charlie Puth]

Any gay guy in front of a girl that beautiful.

[Natalie McCray]

That's so true.

[Charlie Puth]

They would be smelling good. That I'm like, getting horny.

[Caleb Hearon]

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[Charlie Puth]

Just saying like that's catnip. And it would be like hang on the lower back. You know, it would be like when gay guys just hold a girl, girl so close and it's like so sexual.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

So that's why I think he's straight.

[Natalie McCray]

It's a really good idea.

[Caleb Hearon]

I've actually had some women in my life tell me to cool it because I flirt so much that they've been like, hey, it's like, it's like really.

[Charlie Puth]

Is not a joke for them.

[Caleb Hearon]

Well, yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

It'S a thing, honestly. Navigate. Yeah, because we on tour, navigate is like, it's fun.

[Charlie Puth]

Yes.

[Natalie McCray]

No, it's not. Remember my Bruce Springsteen thing?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm like a straight guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

You're like really close.

[Charlie Puth]

I know you are. But it hasn't so much been navigating as much as like every once in a while I'm like, charlie's bi. He will have. He would have sex with me if we weren't working together.

[Caleb Hearon]

I've placed both of you on different watch lists. I've got you on by watch and I have for a while and I've Got you. Do you already have a they in the mix? Is it just she her at the moment? Yeah, I've. And see, I've placed you on they watch. You're on by watch and you're on Baywatch. You're on by watch, you're on theywatch and that's where you'll remain until something happens.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh my God.

[Charlie Puth]

So dead. You know, I have. I do get names sometimes at shows and I'm like, okay. And I got stirred the other day for the first time.

[Caleb Hearon]

Wow, congrats.

[Charlie Puth]

I was like, what?

[Caleb Hearon]

In this society that could be really helpful.

[Charlie Puth]

And he was like, oh my God, I'm sorry. When I turned around and it was like. I mean, I like a lot of friends that happen to all the time and they're just kind of like, whatever. But since it was new, I just kind of like really looked at him and I like was like me. He was like, yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

He was like, my bad. Okay.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, he was awesome.

[Caleb Hearon]

But sometimes. Yeah, some specifically with home. Sometimes I'll like touch their lower back or something and they'll get goosebumps and we'll have to have a talk, you know. And that's really actually sad and scary to me. Cuz I'm like, for me it would never be like that. I'm so exclusively strictly gay.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

But they, they just can go that way.

[Charlie Puth]

No, they can.

[Caleb Hearon]

You know, they have that versatility.

[Charlie Puth]

It's too awesome. So you're never even.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, not in a long time. I just. It's not for me.

[Charlie Puth]

But not even like for thinking about it?

[Caleb Hearon]

No, it's over for me. I thought about it for a long time. Really? You were doing that though, in high school? Yeah. In a religious.

[Natalie McCray]

Putting in the work. You were like, I would love for this to work out.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, I did. Yeah. I did all this stuff and I didn't enjoy it. It just wasn't for me. I'm so gay. I love men and I just want to be. I'm saying like, I just love sex with men.

[Natalie McCray]

You guys.

[Charlie Puth]

Guys.

[Natalie McCray]

I do.

[Charlie Puth]

What's your fave part? Curve of the balls?

[Caleb Hearon]

No, thank you for positing that, but that was a good place to start.

[Natalie McCray]

Let me guess.

[Caleb Hearon]

My fave part of guys. Oh, God. Their. Their eyes are their mind. Probably.

[Charlie Puth]

Okay. Making me look like a pervert.

[Caleb Hearon]

Probably just their brain, the way they think.

[Natalie McCray]

For me, probably their eyes are their balls.

[Caleb Hearon]

Probably specifically the curve.

[Natalie McCray]

The curve of their eyes or the curve of their balls or the hang of the balls. I like small orbs and I always Have.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

It took me a really long time to learn what was going on inside the ball sack.

[Caleb Hearon]

Okay.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, I was like. So I know there's two, but I'm only seeing one thing.

[Caleb Hearon]

So you didn't notice that they were hanging on either side of a. Like a frenulum? Is that frenulum. What is that thing that's called the.

[Natalie McCray]

Little riddles down the middle?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. Is that a frenulum? Chance, would you Google ball side?

[Charlie Puth]

Can I say what it is? Can I be the one to say it? Sorry. Just because I read Cosmo, like, every day for 20 years as a child.

[Caleb Hearon]

Of course.

[Charlie Puth]

So all I read as a kid, I didn't read Catcher in the Rye. None of that garbage. It was just like, what to do to the front and yell Em.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Which is, by the way, Robert.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Thank you. Here's my camera.

[Caleb Hearon]

By the way, none of them are. Any of them will work.

[Charlie Puth]

That's annoying.

[Caleb Hearon]

But this one's probably close. One's probably best for you. Robit Robet.

[Charlie Puth]

So I believe the frenulum is the like part at the tip where it's like it has that slope. And then on the other side, that's the frenulum. Right.

[Caleb Hearon]

I think that just so before Chance says it, I want to say. And I'm willing to be wrong, I think that you're wrong. And I think the frenulum is the little suture that kind of goes through the center, the, like, ripple of skin that goes through the center of the ball sack and kind of creates the two sides of the ball sack. Am I right, Chance?

[Charlie Puth]

I don't know why to explain.

[Caleb Hearon]

Well, the answer is. So if you look, if you think of a male penis. Penis as a nose.

[Natalie McCray]

Don't mind if I do.

[Caleb Hearon]

The head is a nose. The frenulum is like the nostrils. It's like that piece of skin that's, like, directly beneath the head.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, that's what Natalie said.

[Caleb Hearon]

Is that what you were saying?

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

What is the seam on the ball sack called?

[Natalie McCray]

The parent Neo. All I'm seeing is scrotum.

[Caleb Hearon]

I don't know if there's a. No, no, Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm bored. Either find it or don't.

[Charlie Puth]

I'm moving on.

[Caleb Hearon]

There doesn't seem to be a word for that seam. They're definitely no. Chance there's no. Wouldn't that be amaz? Medical community had no choice because I'm the first one to bring it on.

[Charlie Puth]

Maybe the Huron.

[Caleb Hearon]

Wait, do you think we could do something about that?

[Charlie Puth]

Of course.

[Caleb Hearon]

Call the medical community.

[Charlie Puth]

How do you say it's heron.

[Caleb Hearon]

But don't worry, I loved your take on it. Just knowing how things are going.

[Charlie Puth]

Remember I knew the frenulum.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. You know, you did so good. And I want to say, by the.

[Charlie Puth]

Way, not that I would really know how to. I'm sure you guys could work it in a way I couldn't.

[Caleb Hearon]

Pardon?

[Charlie Puth]

You heard me.

[Caleb Hearon]

What you say, you said that we.

[Charlie Puth]

Could work the frenulum, know how to work it. Yeah, I'm saying, like, even though I knew it, I don't want you guys to get intimidated.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, I would never be intimidated. I'm intimidated by you in many arenas, but yeah, not when it comes to like, play and stuff. I'm intimidated by you intellectually, spiritually, emotionally. But when it comes to like, servicing, etc, I don't have so much fear.

[Natalie McCray]

Don't count her.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, I feel like her stand up is like, I love her stand up. Like, I feel like maybe she did better on me that show. But like, then when we were doing play, like, I felt like I was kind of better. So like, like kind of evens out.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's just like evened out. The industry has room for all.

[Charlie Puth]

It was like, rude of me to even say as a joke, there's room.

[Caleb Hearon]

For all of us that you did.

[Natalie McCray]

Better on our show.

[Charlie Puth]

I would love never happened.

[Caleb Hearon]

Well, people refuse to put us on a show together. That's number one.

[Charlie Puth]

I know it's never happened.

[Caleb Hearon]

So we don't even know who would rank where our show. You guys won't invite me. The only time you guys invited me to do your show was once in the back of a bar in like 2019.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

And you came and I came and I think I murdered. And then you guys never had me back.

[Natalie McCray]

Well, you said murder, offensive stuff.

[Caleb Hearon]

Why don't do that.

[Natalie McCray]

We would love to be back. I actually think we've had you. We've. We've actually have asked you and you've been busy doing your other projects, movies you're booked in business, TV shows, you know, books, touring, musicals, opera.

[Caleb Hearon]

You guys know I'm shy.

[Natalie McCray]

Writing projects, engagements.

[Charlie Puth]

I like to see you like that.

[Caleb Hearon]

Me, shy? I get, you know, I get, I get a lot of the auditions I get are for characters that are like. So like a lot of. I feel like every audition I get is for a character who's like, hey, guy. Like, it's very like, you know what I mean? It's very like they want me to play. Like, like I'm just like, like really looking for friends right now. And like, it's stuffy deal. If not like, very, like, sweet, like, oh, boy. Almost dumb saccharine. You know what I mean?

[Natalie McCray]

Like, so funny. That's not your vibe?

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, I love playing that. Yeah, it's not. I don't think it's really my vibe, but I think it's.

[Charlie Puth]

You can finally relax and play.

[Caleb Hearon]

Play.

[Charlie Puth]

That's why it's called playing.

[Caleb Hearon]

Get to be silly. I want to.

[Natalie McCray]

Most people refer to acting is playing.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, it's play.

[Charlie Puth]

Wait, you were going to say something before. Oh. What's the most important thing going on right now?

[Caleb Hearon]

What do you say is the most important thing going on right now? And it can't be serious.

[Charlie Puth]

Serious.

[Caleb Hearon]

So don't say like, you know, like immigration law or something. It's like, no, it can't place.

[Charlie Puth]

Not our place to weigh in.

[Natalie McCray]

Okay. What? Can you go first? You don't have anything.

[Caleb Hearon]

This being the thing that stumps you guys is crazy.

[Natalie McCray]

It's like my honest answer is like random stuff going on with me.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm like, if it's not serious, it's like, like, go ahead. Okay. I want to buy a tree for inside my apartment.

[Caleb Hearon]

What kind?

[Natalie McCray]

A big tree. I want a citrus bearing tree and I want it for inside my apartment.

[Caleb Hearon]

Now, I have not been invited to your place systematically. And I think it speaks to all three of our friendship. What do? You.

[Charlie Puth]

Said you want to come over?

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. Do you want to come over sometime?

[Caleb Hearon]

I do, but what's. How's the tree going to work in there?

[Natalie McCray]

I have like, kind of tall ceilings. Not to brag. It just happens. Seriously. It just happened like that. My apartment Rent stabilized. Hospital in the old hospital. I live in an old hospital. It's haunted. I overlook the old morg legitimately. Did you know that? Which is now a diner.

[Caleb Hearon]

That's beautiful.

[Charlie Puth]

Is that diner?

[Natalie McCray]

That's the diner. It's the old.

[Caleb Hearon]

Is it Kellogg's?

[Natalie McCray]

No, that'd be cool.

[Caleb Hearon]

I love Kellogg's.

[Natalie McCray]

I actually shouldn't dox myself.

[Caleb Hearon]

They made it too slick though. I already did Kellogg's. Now there's someone with an iPad at the front. It's like, whoa.

[Charlie Puth]

Things are.

[Caleb Hearon]

Things are completely different once an iPad enters the picture. A restaurant can be so ruined. And luckily Kellogg's is still in the play. Like, it's not ruined, but it's like when a girl with an iPad popped up at the front. I did say what?

[Charlie Puth]

Things felt different then.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, It's a harbinger of something.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. Thank you. A girl with an iPad fundamentally changes every space. You can't have a girl with an iPad somewhere and it not change the vibe of the space.

[Natalie McCray]

So I would love to see what it's like to have an iPad someday. I'd love to see what it would be like to hold one and use one. I'm just curious what that would do to me.

[Caleb Hearon]

I want to wield power with one.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, look, I mean, because it's cool to have a clipboard, right? But that there's not so many opportunities.

[Charlie Puth]

It's also dorky a little bit. No clipboard.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

I want to have an iPad that has the hand sleeve on the back so you can hold it like this. I want to stand in front of a crowd of expectant others.

[Natalie McCray]

You want to say no to us with an iPad?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. Yeah. You guys. Okay, you guys, come up.

[Charlie Puth]

This is.

[Caleb Hearon]

This is like a fancy restaurant that you're really hoping to get a table at.

[Natalie McCray]

Okay.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, my gosh. Thank you.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, my God.

[Caleb Hearon]

Hi. Oh, it works, too. Hi. One second. Sorry. Oh, God. I'm changing things on the actual screen. Okay, that's fine. Hey, what can I. What can I help you with?

[Natalie McCray]

We were hoping for a table for two. Would you buy seating?

[Caleb Hearon]

As in you don't have a reservation?

[Natalie McCray]

We don't have a reservation. Reservation?

[Charlie Puth]

No. It's my birthday.

[Natalie McCray]

It's not. It's her birthday.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's your birthday. People usually make reservations for their birthday.

[Charlie Puth]

I'm an Aries, though.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's just two of you?

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah. We love this place.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, a lot of people do. You said you don't mind the bar. Sorry, hold on. I'm dropped back in. Okay. You said you don't mind the bar. I could get you guys in at, like, it's 7:15 now. 10:45. I could do two seats in the kitchen if you want to give me a phone number.

[Charlie Puth]

Boiling water?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, it's like the best I can do. What do you do?

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, yeah, I think we'll do that. That sounds fine. Just let us know if something opens up sooner than that. Yeah, that's fine.

[Caleb Hearon]

It'll probably be the 1045 seat in the kitchen. And it is one seat.

[Charlie Puth]

That's good.

[Caleb Hearon]

In the meantime, no, ma', am, what's your name?

[Charlie Puth]

Natalie.

[Caleb Hearon]

Natalie. N A T T A A L.

[Charlie Puth]

I E L I E. Last name so much. Oh, rot. You can just do rotter.

[Caleb Hearon]

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[Caleb Hearon]

That was fun.

[Natalie McCray]

That was fun.

[Caleb Hearon]

That, like, meant a lot to me.

[Natalie McCray]

And I also am glad that we worked something out. Yeah, like, I'm glad that it wasn't just like, no, find somewhere else. It's like, okay, we'll make that work.

[Charlie Puth]

And it opened up a different thing, which I don't feel like I've really gotten to share about myself yet. Which is like that when I'm logistically giving a last name and I only use Rotter.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, I didn't know that, honestly, because.

[Charlie Puth]

It'S like, it's like, who cares? But then you're like, is this gonna be a thing later? Are they gonna not be. You know what I mean?

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. So I like, they see your id, they're like, we just. It doesn't matter. We can't serve you alcohol.

[Charlie Puth]

I just don't know. So anyways, yeah, so that was cool. So you want your hands to be iPads, I feel like, is your thing kind of.

[Caleb Hearon]

Wait, can I tell you guys something? One time, I was at a rental car place. Basically, the back window had blown out of my rental car on the highway, and I had to get a new one.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, my God.

[Caleb Hearon]

It was crazy, but it was in, like, the middle of this, like, tiny little town in North Carolina. The town. The closest town to me, that had an Avis. And my friend had dropped me off over there, and I had such a good rapport going with the counter lady. We were, like, really vibing. And I was like. I was like, God, I'm so sorry to bother you. And she was like, oh, honey, it's no bother. All. She's, like, smiling at me. We're having fun. I was like. I was like, look, I've got to get to the airport. I have a flight in Charlotte in, like, three hours, and I don't know what I'm gonna do, but I can't miss this flight. And I totally could have missed the flight, but we were. We were. I know. I was going home. You know, we were really vibing. And then she was like. She was like, honey, I. I'm so sorry, but every single car today is spoken for, and people are coming to get them later. And we were having such a vibe that I, like, tried, like, a charm move, and I put on, like, I did, like, a charm offensive.

[Charlie Puth]

You went.

[Caleb Hearon]

And I was like, yeah, I put my arm around her, and I give her a little kiss on the cheek. No, I was like, shirt made out of.

[Natalie McCray]

I love this texture.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm like. I'm like. I love this song. Do you want to dance? No. I go. I go. I go. She goes. All the cars are spoken for. People are coming for them. I go, hey, hey, listen, it's just me and you. Those people aren't here yet. Why don't you take one of their cars and just give it to me? And then when they get here, you can just upset them, and I'll have made it to the airport already, and I bet neither of us will even get in trouble. And keep in mind, we had been having so much fun. She goes. She goes, yeah, I'm not doing that. And I went, no worries.

[Natalie McCray]

For sure.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, I. No worries.

[Charlie Puth]

You thought you were the cutest patootie on.

[Caleb Hearon]

I just thought, like, my dimples. And, like, I just thought, like, oh, we're gonna. Like, she would consider it. I said, no worries at all.

[Charlie Puth]

She realized in that moment, oh, you don't give a. About me. Yeah, like, she was like, oh, I'm.

[Caleb Hearon]

Just a pawn in your fucking game.

[Charlie Puth]

Fun and games. Like you don't give a fuck about.

[Caleb Hearon]

Another knock in your bedpost.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, you're some nice guy. Your window blew out. The person who's coming could be the meanest lady I've ever met in my life. And you would, you'd be willing to put me in that position?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm.

[Charlie Puth]

I'm proud of her, honestly.

[Caleb Hearon]

I am too. She said. She said it's all fun and games until Avis corporate comes down on me. And you won't be here. You'll be off to the next town.

[Natalie McCray]

This is my job.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. By the way, the thing she ended up doing for me, she was like, the best I can do, honey, is an hour and 15 minutes from here. There is another Avis that has a 15 passenger van. So if you can get over there. Keep in mind we're two hours from the airport. So she wanted me to find a ride, an hour and 15 minutes, pick up a 15 passenger van to go the last 45. And I said, said, I think I'll have my friend just take me to the airport.

[Charlie Puth]

Should drive a 15 passenger van.

[Natalie McCray]

I mean, it does sound fun as.

[Caleb Hearon]

I almost did it for the bit, but then I was like, I did ask her, actually. I was like, if I go to that location, will the van definitely be handed over to me? And she goes, we can't guarantee. And I said, I can't go for the chance, the opportunity to get a.

[Natalie McCray]

Van, to risk it. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm willing to sign that.

[Natalie McCray]

Let's do it.

[Charlie Puth]

That's awesome.

[Natalie McCray]

Just for the opportunity to maybe get a van.

[Caleb Hearon]

I have such a contentious on and off me and Avis employees. It can go either way.

[Charlie Puth]

We were just trying to chat up a car rental employee the other day, remember?

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Charlie Puth]

That guy.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

It was never.

[Natalie McCray]

We like didn't even talk.

[Charlie Puth]

We never talked about it. But we were both. I don't know why, but yeah, we were both like trying to score, basically.

[Natalie McCray]

We were literally both trying to like, get laid by this car rental guy. Because he was. We were like, nice day. He was like, yeah, it is a nice day.

[Caleb Hearon]

We're like, that's so true.

[Charlie Puth]

And then there was like a. Those like, things that take the cars ups up and down. And I was like, do you ever ride on that? He was like, what? No, no, but my friend did or what did he say?

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, he was like, no, but I've like, Operated it while my friend rode on it. We were like, you should like, do it sometime. He was like, maybe I will. We were like.

[Caleb Hearon]

That is also, by the way, such a straight guy response. No, no. But my body actually did. Useless.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, kind of. I did it for my friend and it's like, you're not him, dude.

[Caleb Hearon]

I want to fuck you.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, don't be so beta. Like, you're the operator. Like, get in the thing, get in.

[Natalie McCray]

The thing and ride the car machine up and down.

[Charlie Puth]

Also I'm like, where's he? That sounds like a fun loving guy.

[Natalie McCray]

Where's the friend? Then connect me with this dude.

[Caleb Hearon]

Where's the friend?

[Charlie Puth]

But that was not our energy. We were like, yeah, no wait, like.

[Natalie McCray]

That didn't even approach our energy. We were so happy.

[Charlie Puth]

And then we both got in the car and we're like, all right, let's go.

[Natalie McCray]

We didn't even talk about it. Like once we like, we were on a little drive. It was nice.

[Charlie Puth]

I feel like I started chatting him up and you were like, got it. We're chatting him up.

[Natalie McCray]

And then you took to watch you do it. Yeah, actually. So are you interested in like gay guys or like lesbians or like bisexual women or like you want to watch.

[Charlie Puth]

Us or what do you want? What do you want?

[Caleb Hearon]

Anything can be worked out. I just need you to say, yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

We don't play those kind of games. Tell us what you want from us sexually and then we'll just do that.

[Caleb Hearon]

Do you know how sometimes there's randomly like a German or like Swiss word for some crazy thing like, like you'll read on the Internet. It'll be like, it'll be like, you know, the Germans have a word for when the wind hits you just right at the burger stand or whatever. And it's like gardarfin flooped or whatever. They should have one of those words for the specific joy and horniness that is watching your friend kill a social interaction.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, totally.

[Caleb Hearon]

You mean like watching your friend nail a social interaction. They should have like one of those words that's like, they're diff and fluked, you know, and you're like, that's the joy and horniness of watching your friend.

[Charlie Puth]

Murder with an employee, actually. Smooth. Yeah. And there should also be the a word for watching your friend blow it with a stranger. You know, like to be like, oh, haha. Like how's your day? And it's like silence. You're like, bro, she hates you, dude, that sucks.

[Caleb Hearon]

You bombed saying something.

[Natalie McCray]

They don't respond. You Say it again. Then they kind of like. Because you're like, maybe they didn't hear me. And then it becomes clear that they didn't respond because they don't give a fuck.

[Caleb Hearon]

Wait, guys, I shed a memory.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Can I share it to you? Yeah. Okay, wait, let's.

[Natalie McCray]

Hold on. That's fine. He can share it.

[Caleb Hearon]

Is that okay if I share it to you, My memory?

[Natalie McCray]

We decided that's fine.

[Caleb Hearon]

I don't want to say what city, because I don't know if either of them are listeners. I was in a city recently. I had messaged a guy on Tinder in the afternoon. Okay. I checked Tinder when I got in and I had messaged this guy. This is a while ago. And I messaged this guy. We had forwarded a little bit. And he said, oh, I'm going out with friends tonight. I said, oh, me too. I think we're going to this area. Maybe I'll see you out. He goes, yeah, maybe. I go, cool. Then I'm out that night and I'm at Chance. Do you remember this out? We'll find out. I'm out. I'm out at the bar where we were going with a bunch of our friends. It happened to be that. Anyway, I don't want to give details because. Anyway. So I don't want to give identifying information. But you'll know soon. I think we had that really great burger with that really off putting person afterwards. You know what I'm talking about? So.

[Charlie Puth]

So I'm not gonna give it away.

[Caleb Hearon]

No. Well, that person can know because they actually need to, like, be. They need to figure some things out. But they were like, they were like a sex worker and they were like, I feel like people are weird to me sometimes because I'm a sex worker. I'm like, we love sex workers. You're annoying. You know what I mean? Right?

[Charlie Puth]

That's tough. That's really tough.

[Caleb Hearon]

I was at the bar and I met a guy at the bar and I started flirting with him. And then we, like made out a little bit. And then he was like. He was like, yeah, I have an early morning tomorrow. I gotta go home. I was like, okay, flop. I mean, fun that we made out, but I was like, flop. In terms of getting laid.

[Charlie Puth]

Okay, flop.

[Caleb Hearon]

And so I was like, okay, flop city, go home. You know? He was like, I'm gonna go home.

[Charlie Puth]

And then I kind of have to go flop.

[Caleb Hearon]

Flop, flop, flop. Go home. Flop.

[Charlie Puth]

Leave, flop.

[Caleb Hearon]

Okay, you flopped. I'm putting you in the flop bin. Get it out of here.

[Charlie Puth]

I kind of have to go home.

[Caleb Hearon]

Go. Oh, go your flop.

[Natalie McCray]

Don't want to hear it.

[Caleb Hearon]

Go your flop pad. Get the out of here.

[Charlie Puth]

Flop work's about to start.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, sun's coming up. Get out of here before you fall. Yeah, so. But then like an hour later, so I go back and hang out with my friends. Hour later, I'm like, about to go back to the hotel for the night. I'm kind of horny. So I message guy number one from Tinder and I'm like, hey, where'd you guys end up tonight?

[Charlie Puth]

Night?

[Caleb Hearon]

And he's like, hey, we actually ended up at the bar that you were at. And I, I did watch you make out with another guy, so. And I was like. I was like, hey, just so you know, that was so not personal, like, trying to make. Trying to make a joke of it. And he was like, he was like. He was like, lol. Yeah, we kind of like, know each other, so maybe it would just be a little weird now. I was like, rock on.

[Charlie Puth]

Wait, him and the guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

Him and the guy know each other?

[Charlie Puth]

Shut up.

[Caleb Hearon]

Small city. Small city. Small gay scene.

[Charlie Puth]

Small city.

[Caleb Hearon]

And I was like, rock on. I hope you have an amazing night king.

[Charlie Puth]

My main mess, you is peace.

[Caleb Hearon]

Hey, it's this all day long from me to you.

[Natalie McCray]

Peace, love, unity, respect.

[Caleb Hearon]

Peace, love, unity. Respect.

[Charlie Puth]

Is like, okay, so. So you're. So you don't want to hook up with me after the guy, the random guy made out with me at the bar.

[Caleb Hearon]

Like, okay, why don't you walk over and punch him? Like, why don't. Yeah, like, bring back, man.

[Charlie Puth]

It's also like, that's. But also like, imagine his life. It's like, awesome gay guy comes to town and then he finds you on tv.

[Natalie McCray]

He's like.

[Charlie Puth]

And then he's flirting with you and then he looks up at the bar.

[Caleb Hearon]

He won't even bite. For me, it's like men used to be men.

[Natalie McCray]

I bet you the two of them have a really fraught history.

[Caleb Hearon]

They've.

[Natalie McCray]

I bet you it's like there has been an un. A long term, unrequited one way intense crush friendship or they have only obliquely.

[Caleb Hearon]

Talked about or guy number one has. Has. Has lost out on past romantic partners to guy number two, which is what.

[Natalie McCray]

I fear the most. They always want him.

[Caleb Hearon]

They always want Flop. Oh, they always want the mayor of Flop City that I made out with briefly.

[Charlie Puth]

No, it sucks. And you're like, by the way, I wouldn't have done the make out if.

[Caleb Hearon]

I know he was Flopping.

[Charlie Puth]

It was totally disqualifying.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. I didn't know he was gonna flop.

[Charlie Puth]

And then he was gonna flop. That's why people have to tell you if they're gonna have sex with you right away when you meet them.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes, I totally agree.

[Charlie Puth]

Yes, disclose. Just disclose. Put it on the table.

[Natalie McCray]

It's a no. You're like, great, now I can make an informed decision for me.

[Caleb Hearon]

How easy actually would life be if we all behaved that way?

[Charlie Puth]

I know.

[Natalie McCray]

It's too bad.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's too bad.

[Natalie McCray]

And by the way, this. You also when you're talking to someone. So please, please let me have this.

[Charlie Puth]

Definitely.

[Natalie McCray]

When. When you're talking to someone, they should tell you that who you can't make out with if you. You know what I mean?

[Caleb Hearon]

They should say, hey, if you see a guy, six, three, dark hair, tonight at the bar, don't make out with him if you want any chance with me.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes, exactly.

[Charlie Puth]

Six, three, dark hair.

[Caleb Hearon]

Six, three, dark hair dot wow. That was just a. An estimate. He was tall, though. It was nice. I mean, making out at the bar is rarely ever a flop for me.

[Charlie Puth]

No, that's so. I'm honestly thinking that's just so cool that you did that.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's hardly ever that I even want more than that, honestly. I'm like, making out. Making out the bar is so much hotter than hooking up. Hooking up is, like, base, and I hate that I have to do it.

[Natalie McCray]

Actually, like, making out at the bar. You're like, I'm full of a vital energy and spirit.

[Caleb Hearon]

Joy de V. Yeah. I'm like, part of something.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like life forces, like, coursing through me right now.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm part of a deep history.

[Natalie McCray]

It's like, you're like, oh, yeah, people make out at a bar. When you see people make out at a bar, it's like you notice.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Like, it actually is. You're like, I'm being watched.

[Caleb Hearon]

Right.

[Charlie Puth]

Actually, there were people making out after our show in Boston the other night.

[Natalie McCray]

Really?

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, yes.

[Charlie Puth]

I walked out into the lobby. It was like I was like one of my cousins. Yeah. And they were. I mean, seemingly.

[Caleb Hearon]

By the way, every time I've ever seen people make out in public, I've wished that it was happening to me as well. Of course, every time I've been like, I wish I was doing that. Making out in public is the most chic thing.

[Charlie Puth]

I need to get there. Sometimes when I see it, I'm like, it's just.

[Natalie McCray]

You know, what's cool about it is like, when you're doing it, you're like, I don't give a fuck.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Like, you're like, maybe this is weird.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, I feel like.

[Natalie McCray]

But you're like, cool. Like, I don't give a fuck if this is being weird. If everybody's looking at me.

[Caleb Hearon]

I think it's awesome.

[Natalie McCray]

It's awesome.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[Caleb Hearon]

I think it's so awesome.

[Charlie Puth]

I think kissing is such a black box. Like, unless you're actively doing it. For me, Unless I'm actively kissing, I can't remember what it's like.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

So every time I do it, it's like, what? Which is, like, cool.

[Natalie McCray]

It's like a wild. This is weird. This is weird.

[Charlie Puth]

And you're like, how would I. I do that? Like, it's like, I know our mouths are open and they're touching and our tongues are involved, but it's not only tongue and, like. But it's, like, wet. It's not like teeth, but, like, where do the teeth go? Like, I don't get it, but I can do it perfectly. But I don't know. But it's complete. Like, back of the spine knowledge. Yes.

[Natalie McCray]

Cool.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. I think about kissing pretty much all the time. It is a special thing to me that we do.

[Charlie Puth]

It's so cute. And it's. It's no reason, right?

[Caleb Hearon]

It's very.

[Natalie McCray]

It's no reason.

[Charlie Puth]

I read that once.

[Caleb Hearon]

What?

[Charlie Puth]

Well, they're just like, why do we do this again? And the scientists are like, we don't know.

[Caleb Hearon]

We don't know why we like it. Right?

[Charlie Puth]

We just like it.

[Natalie McCray]

Like, because it couldn't be cuter. Because it's, like, little.

[Charlie Puth]

We're sweet, but it also feels so good.

[Natalie McCray]

We're like sweet little creatures.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, do you ever give yourself a kiss on the shoulder?

[Caleb Hearon]

No.

[Natalie McCray]

Right now?

[Charlie Puth]

I do that sometimes, but I will.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm gonna do it now.

[Caleb Hearon]

I went with the arm.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, my God.

[Caleb Hearon]

That was really sweet.

[Natalie McCray]

That was so sweet. I loved it.

[Charlie Puth]

You can do that whenever you're going out or coming in or whatever.

[Caleb Hearon]

You can do that whenever. Yeah. Wait, do you know what?

[Natalie McCray]

When you guys are talking, I'm like, watching a tennis match.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah. Well, our Tet a Tet is like no other.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's so electric. It's a shame that you and I will never be. Do you know what I mean?

[Charlie Puth]

You're playing the. Out of me.

[Caleb Hearon]

Do you want to hear something that I think is so sweet?

[Charlie Puth]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

I was on a. I was in Kansas City recently, and I was on A walk with my old gay guy friend and he's like 60 something something and.

[Charlie Puth]

Right. You have amazing intergenerational friendships.

[Caleb Hearon]

I have been so blessed. And we walked past a restaurant that's not a restaurant anymore. And he goes, okay, back when this was such and such restaurant, I, when I was 20, I got hired there by an older gay guy who ran it. It was a really busy restaurant. It was like line out the door every weekend. He was like, I got hired there as a prep cook. And I said, oh, were you like, had you worked as a prep cook before? And he goes, honey, no. The guy wanted to get in my pants. And he goes, so basically my job.

[Natalie McCray]

Get in my pants. It's like, arcade, let's bring that back too, with getting laid.

[Caleb Hearon]

And he kind of said it in a dirty way. Yeah, it was like he said he wanted to fuck me. He was like, he wanted to get in my pants and it felt dirty to him.

[Charlie Puth]

It's so much dirtier because it's like, you're gonna shove the dick in get in his pants.

[Natalie McCray]

We in pants. You're like, wow. So that's really where all the stuff is.

[Caleb Hearon]

That is where all the things happen.

[Natalie McCray]

Totally, like visceral of an image.

[Charlie Puth]

He's like climbing in.

[Natalie McCray]

Right, because it's an image.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yes.

[Natalie McCray]

Fucking. You're like, that's so abstract.

[Charlie Puth]

Fucking is an image as well.

[Caleb Hearon]

Fucking can't be an image.

[Charlie Puth]

Come on, tell me.

[Natalie McCray]

I wouldn't even. It's not conjuring up anything for me right now.

[Caleb Hearon]

Can evoke an image sometimes. But anyway, after the conversation, I was like, you have to send me a picture of you from this time period. I need to know what he was, what this guy was seeing.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

And he did. And he was cute.

[Charlie Puth]

Really?

[Caleb Hearon]

I, I, he emailed it to me because he doesn't have a cell phone. And I emailed him back and I said, I would absolutely hire you as a prep cook in my kitchen. And it was cute.

[Charlie Puth]

That's so cute.

[Caleb Hearon]

And that's sweet.

[Charlie Puth]

I love that.

[Caleb Hearon]

I thought that was so sweet. I've been thinking about it a lot.

[Charlie Puth]

It's like to be like when you're like, oh, like this person, like, looked hot in these different ages. And then it's like, some of us are gonna be so hot when we're older. It's like we don't even know where we're at right now.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

On our hot journey.

[Natalie McCray]

Right, Right.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Because some people, right, they really do actually, like, peak at like, 60. Can happen just like, relative. Where it's just like, holy.

[Charlie Puth]

Think about Bradley Cooper.

[Natalie McCray]

Think about Bradley Cooper and his girlfriend.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Vanessa Hudgens.

[Caleb Hearon]

Vanessa Hudgens. I was distinctly unique when I was like 20. I was not sexy at all.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh my God.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's only getting. I'm like, my thing is probably in the 40 area. I'm like working my way towards.

[Charlie Puth]

I, I mean I, I pray to God you're both going to be hot in 40s.

[Caleb Hearon]

You're both going to be hot in 40s. I can feel it.

[Charlie Puth]

I hope mine's like you're thinking 50, 60. I don't get that.

[Natalie McCray]

Throwing into the back of the room.

[Charlie Puth]

Way later.

[Caleb Hearon]

That's beautiful.

[Natalie McCray]

I want to say something.

[Caleb Hearon]

Go ahead.

[Natalie McCray]

We have a podcast, so I'm promoting it on your podcast.

[Caleb Hearon]

What are you doing?

[Natalie McCray]

We're promoting our podcast on your podcast.

[Charlie Puth]

I don't think you can do that without like an agree legal agreement.

[Natalie McCray]

Well, let's get the teams together.

[Caleb Hearon]

Usually those kind of things happen at the end of the episode. You want to do it right now, Charlie? No, no, it's okay. You were. Go ahead. I mean your plaque is like behind your little thing is like.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh my God.

[Charlie Puth]

True.

[Caleb Hearon]

That's you guys.

[Natalie McCray]

My brother's girlfriend made the. That what's beautiful isn't so sweet.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's really beautiful. And it sits there during all the episodes we do in New York. You guys sit right there.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh my God. So we've always had a presence on this podcast.

[Caleb Hearon]

Your guys's, your guys's energy is, is inherently and inextricably a part of everything that I do. Charlie and Natalie are right there with me.

[Natalie McCray]

We get that all the time. People often are like, Caleb, is he like ripping your stuff?

[Charlie Puth]

No, I'm trying to. I'm protecting myself. I'm building up a wall.

[Natalie McCray]

Uhhuh.

[Caleb Hearon]

From not only because he keeps flirting with you.

[Charlie Puth]

He's flirting.

[Caleb Hearon]

That was really hurtful. No. Would you guys want to play a game?

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, what's that?

[Natalie McCray]

I was wondering what this was.

[Caleb Hearon]

Guess what? Well, if, if Charlie. If you'd ever watch the show, hun, we have a segment called True or false.

[Natalie McCray]

I know. Oh, the segment. The Brittany Broski episode.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm gonna, I'm Gonna read you 15 statements. Okay? You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can. If you think what I just. That is true or false. If you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you $50.

[Natalie McCray]

Holy.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh my God.

[Caleb Hearon]

And we'll go each. We'll go each on this one. 50 each. I'm going to start with Charlie and then we're just going to go back and forth. Okay? You have to answer as quick as you can. Just true or false. Okay. Bamboo can grow up to 35 in in one day.

[Natalie McCray]

True.

[Caleb Hearon]

That is true. It's invasive. Don't plant it in your yard.

[Charlie Puth]

My friend Lauren's backyard. When I was growing up, that should have been mine. Like SL dog millionaire style.

[Caleb Hearon]

The pope is required to be an organization donor.

[Charlie Puth]

No.

[Caleb Hearon]

False. They cannot be an organ donor. After new pope. American.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

After water. After water, Coffee is the most consumed drink in the world.

[Natalie McCray]

True.

[Caleb Hearon]

False.

[Charlie Puth]

No. It's tea. I knew it.

[Natalie McCray]

Come blowing her.

[Caleb Hearon]

The verified oldest man to ever live. Yes, of course. The verified oldest man to ever live was 116 years old.

[Charlie Puth]

No.

[Caleb Hearon]

True. Yale's mascot is Handsome Ron. No.

[Natalie McCray]

False.

[Caleb Hearon]

False.

[Natalie McCray]

It's Handsome Down.

[Caleb Hearon]

Nice. I wish. Okay, that one could have switched anteaters. Have no teeth. That's true. Glenn Quagmire from Family Guy is an airplane pilot.

[Natalie McCray]

True.

[Caleb Hearon]

True. Jennifer Aniston is 5:11.

[Charlie Puth]

No, she's shorter.

[Caleb Hearon]

False. She's 5:5. The liver is the largest organ in the human body.

[Natalie McCray]

False.

[Caleb Hearon]

False. It's your skin. A group of frogs is called a ribbing.

[Charlie Puth]

No, ribbing is something you can do to someone.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's an army chorus. Leachman graduated from Columbia University.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh, that's cute. True.

[Caleb Hearon]

False. Northwestern Mine. Starfish don't have brains.

[Charlie Puth]

They don't have brains.

[Caleb Hearon]

They don't. It's true. Carrots were the first food to be grown in space.

[Charlie Puth]

They don't do that.

[Caleb Hearon]

That's not your question. You can't answer that one. Natalie. That's a chart. That's a distinctly Charlie question. Please, if you don't mind.

[Natalie McCray]

False.

[Caleb Hearon]

False. It was potatoes. Yes, Natalie McCrad.

[Charlie Puth]

I was right for the wrong reason.

[Caleb Hearon]

Exactly correct. The largest bowling alley. What? I'm having fun.

[Charlie Puth]

I can't have a little fun?

[Caleb Hearon]

The largest bowling alley in the world is in Japan. Yeah, that is true. The first iPhone to include Siri was the iPhone 4S.

[Natalie McCray]

True.

[Caleb Hearon]

That is true. 12. 12.

[Charlie Puth]

What are you going for?

[Caleb Hearon]

What?

[Charlie Puth]

10 or more?

[Caleb Hearon]

You had to get 10 or more.

[Natalie McCray]

And. And this is the other thing. For every additional point you get above 10, Caleb, there's in an extra $200.

[Caleb Hearon]

Do you know what you just. Do you know what you just did is exactly my little cousin. We were. We were in the park.

[Charlie Puth]

Charlie is like your little cousin a little bit sometimes.

[Caleb Hearon]

We were in the park last weekend and I told him if he could catch a football That I threw. That I would give him $100. And then I was throwing it so far, and I kept raising the price. We got, like, $3,000. And then towards the end, he ran the ball back to me, and he was like, okay, hey, there's new rules this time. It's. If I catch it, I get a hug, but if I. If I get the ball from where it is and bring it back to you, I get $3,000. And I said, absolutely not. And then, yeah, we were arguing over the rules, and it really cracked me up.

[Natalie McCray]

It's funny. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not budging on this. He's like, renegotiating what I deserve.

[Charlie Puth]

He's like, I'm in a huge opportunity moment right now, and I'm not going to blow this. Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

You should have seen the way he's. I forget sometimes that he's so on the spectrum that he, like, can't let shit go like that. So he was. He's 10, and he was running after the ball in a way that was like, brother, you have to see the pattern here. You're never gonna catch this. I'm throwing it so far beyond you. But he did. He just kept being like, another one. And I was like, dude, it's, like, getting sad. I was like, buddy, it's been, like, three hours. First of all, I woke up the next day, my whole right side of my body hurt because I was chucking.

[Natalie McCray]

That rotator cuff injury.

[Caleb Hearon]

It was tough.

[Natalie McCray]

Seriously, be careful about the rotator.

[Caleb Hearon]

Don't fucking play.

[Natalie McCray]

Don't mess around.

[Caleb Hearon]

I did get a cute picture of us playing catch, though.

[Charlie Puth]

That's.

[Caleb Hearon]

Don't worry. I'll show it to you later.

[Natalie McCray]

And you will probably sell that picture for $3,000, and you'll get not a penny.

[Charlie Puth]

I want to say something about this game. Excuse me.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm on such a high from winning $50.

[Caleb Hearon]

You guys did really good.

[Natalie McCray]

I feel like I'm a Billy on the street.

[Charlie Puth]

We're donating it.

[Caleb Hearon]

You are Billy on the street.

[Natalie McCray]

I feel like I'm a Billy on the street recipient.

[Caleb Hearon]

You're a. You are Billy on the street.

[Natalie McCray]

Ah, I wish.

[Charlie Puth]

He's so funny. Okay, this is what I want to say about this game. I feel like I don't know that many facts necessarily, but I've learned to understand the nature of a fun fact or just a fact, and that is what allows me to win.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Do you know what I mean?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yes.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, the largest bowling alley is in Japan. I'm like, okay, so obviously, I don't know diddly squig about that, but I'm like, that. That is. It's just too random. There's nothing tricky about it. Why would it not be Japan? I was just like, yeah, yeah. So that's my story, everyone.

[Caleb Hearon]

Thank you for dissecting that a little bit, because you really did. Both you. Both of you exhibited such a competence in that.

[Natalie McCray]

Can we go through it and we can talk through our reasoning for each of them or, like, does that.

[Caleb Hearon]

I think that's really boring for the listeners, but I think we should do.

[Charlie Puth]

It anyway, even though it's boring for the listener listeners. That's celebrity status.

[Natalie McCray]

Well, let's do this. How about a Patreon exclusive?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

People pay $50 to listen to us going through our reasoning.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. For the devoted fans, guys, subscribe to the Patreon. I will be going through with Charlie and Natalie to go one by one, their reasoning of why they answered how they did on the true or false one.

[Natalie McCray]

We're like, I don't know. Just a guess.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, the last two were true, so.

[Natalie McCray]

We just guessed that one too.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

You said carrots in a way that. That was kind of funny. So that I said false.

[Caleb Hearon]

Nice.

[Natalie McCray]

And that was right.

[Caleb Hearon]

I do always wonder if my reads are giving any hat tips. Like, when I'm reading it, I'm like, oh, did I read that in a way that made it seem one way or the other? No. You know, you're very.

[Charlie Puth]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

I try to be measured.

[Charlie Puth]

Yes, you're very measured.

[Natalie McCray]

You're like this. You're like.

[Charlie Puth]

And when you say no, you guys got it wrong. It's so mean. But when you say yes, it's not that nice.

[Caleb Hearon]

You know what I mean?

[Natalie McCray]

You are against us in the game. It's us versus you.

[Caleb Hearon]

Of course I want you guys.

[Natalie McCray]

You're like this. You're like this. This. Like a carrot is the first thing they planted in space.

[Caleb Hearon]

I was actually. It's a testament of how much I like you both that I actually wasn't being very trick. I wasn't being very tricky this time. Sometimes people answer and I'll go, are you sure? And that really throws me.

[Natalie McCray]

That would have really been hard for me.

[Caleb Hearon]

I know you would have struggled with that.

[Charlie Puth]

I would not.

[Caleb Hearon]

And I would have never put you through that. Well, you would have been fine. But that's because you and I have a special connection.

[Charlie Puth]

Stop.

[Caleb Hearon]

Sorry. I'm not allowed to play on my own show.

[Natalie McCray]

And we. And I wouldn't have been fine because I'm very vulnerable.

[Caleb Hearon]

Are you?

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

To what? To, like, mind tricks and things or.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, really very, very, very gullible.

[Caleb Hearon]

Do you guys find yourself susceptible to cult type of things? Oh, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be that hard.

[Natalie McCray]

The reason we're taking time is because we care about you and we care about the question.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, I'm not.

[Caleb Hearon]

You don't think.

[Charlie Puth]

Listen, I'm very open. I'm seeking. I'm wanting a lot of advice and lifestyles, but I. I am really thinking about who is acting weird at all times.

[Natalie McCray]

That's right. Natalie is.

[Charlie Puth]

And I'm bringing it to everyone else. So I feel like that would stop me up in a cult way, like someone being weird.

[Natalie McCray]

You're not gonna let it. Yeah. You're like.

[Charlie Puth]

When we walked in here to the office today, I was like, emma, can I talk to you for a second? And then I was like, why are they watching soccer? Like, what's going on?

[Caleb Hearon]

It was very affronting to see the men watching soccer.

[Charlie Puth]

What's going on? Emma's like, I'm not even recording with you today. Like, I can't. She was like, I have a meeting.

[Natalie McCray]

Like, oh, my God.

[Charlie Puth]

And I was like, I just feel like the vibe is so weird. Like, did everyone just eat lunch? It smells like food. She's like, yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

Who all was watching soccer? That was really intense.

[Charlie Puth]

The main. The head guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

It was like Jake mostly, right? And he was playing. He's the head guy.

[Natalie McCray]

He's the head guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

It was really. Is it an important game or something? Chance, we open that door for me briefly.

[Charlie Puth]

You know what? Bring him in. We did this to him on our podcast recently.

[Caleb Hearon]

Let's just ask Jay. Break. Why are you guys watching soccer? Is there something important going on? What is it? The semi final of the Europa League. Chance, shut the door. Shut the door, Shut the door. I don't. It was very upsetting.

[Charlie Puth]

European identified.

[Caleb Hearon]

He's like, it's the semi final of the Europa League.

[Natalie McCray]

Soccer people.

[Charlie Puth]

What about them?

[Natalie McCray]

They become European identified.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yes. No, but you speak on that because you're on to something.

[Natalie McCray]

Literally do. They're like. They are like, I. Bristol is important to me and their team matters. Like, that's just something that I really care about.

[Charlie Puth]

I feel like that's kind of fucked up.

[Natalie McCray]

Manchester is always something that's. That's really spoken to me as an identity.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yes.

[Charlie Puth]

Right.

[Caleb Hearon]

American guys who get into soccer, they start smoking cigarettes in a very gay way. They start walking with a swing in Their hips, they, like, they transition to European in a very serious way.

[Natalie McCray]

They have health care. It's nice.

[Caleb Hearon]

They do. They get health care.

[Natalie McCray]

They get health care immediately. It's one of the big draws of being an American soccer viewer.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Suck a dick.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's like one of the. And they kind. It's like they. Yeah, they start drinking beers in a really weird early hour.

[Charlie Puth]

True. Like, you can have a beer at 11am if you're watching soccer. It's like, no, you can't.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, it's like, fully.

[Charlie Puth]

The coffee and, like, eggs and stuff.

[Caleb Hearon]

Well, did you guys ever do kegs and eggs in college?

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

I hated that idea. It pissed me off even.

[Natalie McCray]

You know what? Really, for all of college, like, people would be like, we are gonna get up at like 7am and start drinking. And I was like, no fucking chance.

[Caleb Hearon]

No shot.

[Natalie McCray]

Because I want to sleep the fuck in.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Like, it took me so long to ever, like, be like, if I'm not gonna fail a class, like, I'm not waking up early ever. And then I would, like, wake up and be like, where is everyone? Like, before, like, the big game, I was like, you guys have. You're already drunk.

[Charlie Puth]

I could not have been me.

[Caleb Hearon]

Alarm.

[Charlie Puth]

6:30.

[Caleb Hearon]

What be.

[Charlie Puth]

Beep, beep, beep.

[Natalie McCray]

That's a Coors light rise and grind.

[Caleb Hearon]

You were doing that or you were not doing that?

[Natalie McCray]

Of course, the truth is, you have what everyone is doing.

[Caleb Hearon]

You.

[Charlie Puth]

Exactly.

[Natalie McCray]

You actually have to just follow the herd.

[Charlie Puth]

But you didn't.

[Natalie McCray]

No, no. And I learned my lesson.

[Caleb Hearon]

See, now they're, like, clapping really loud.

[Charlie Puth]

And also, this is a workplace, so it annoys me. And if you're going to have gay podcasts, then it's like, be a little more like accepting, amenable.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's also, like, it's not just any gay podcast. It's a very gay podcast. And also to, like, be a recording space and be like, clapp out loud. Like, the listeners might not know this, but they're clapping and screaming like banshees out there.

[Charlie Puth]

As if we're not doing successfully soundproof.

[Caleb Hearon]

We're doing business in here. We're doing business in here. I heard it.

[Charlie Puth]

No, I heard it, too. It was completely disturbed.

[Caleb Hearon]

My guests, and it's like, these are my guests. Like.

[Charlie Puth]

And by the way, he had his feet up on the table out there.

[Natalie McCray]

Sensitive. And I'm totally scared. I'm back in my shell.

[Caleb Hearon]

You should be.

[Natalie McCray]

I don't feel comfortable speaking.

[Caleb Hearon]

Do you know Jake came into this office recently, and I told him what I said.

[Charlie Puth]

He had his feet up on the table out there when he was watching, which is rude. And I know I have my feet up right now, but that's a different thing. My performance for recording, I'm being the role.

[Caleb Hearon]

And by the way, you're a guest.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah. And by the way, I'm on they watch.

[Caleb Hearon]

He's not.

[Charlie Puth]

I need to be comfortable.

[Caleb Hearon]

They watch in a very serious way.

[Charlie Puth]

Can I just say one thing about the they watch, which is so funny.

[Caleb Hearon]

Totally. And by the way, I'm all I mean by that.

[Charlie Puth]

No, I know it completely. It's just like if the pants get.

[Caleb Hearon]

Any baggier, if the haircut gets any shorter.

[Charlie Puth]

Well, this is what I want to say.

[Natalie McCray]

Okay.

[Charlie Puth]

When my older sister had a child. Oh, I just remember I'm not supposed to talk about her. Wait, I'm not supposed to say her name. Name. Okay, so we're good. She wants privacy. Oh, boundaries, boundaries, boundaries. Having trouble with that. Okay. When she had a baby during COVID it was like, are they gonna let people see the baby? Not. It was like still early days. Not that early. Whatever. You're in bada. They made a like a numeric system where you had to equal like five or more points to be able to see the kid. And it was like a. A negative 10 test. Hold on.

[Caleb Hearon]

Sorry, I'm just getting upset.

[Charlie Puth]

Five points right away.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Masking plus outdoors. Masking is like two points. Outdoors is one point. You know what I mean? You put it together. That's the they watch. There should be a numeric system because to seem to other people that you should be they themed. It's like. And I'm talking about like the public or whatever. Cuz you will just get they them depending. And you're like, so what is the point system that I put together today that tips?

[Natalie McCray]

I'm wearing basketball shorts and a beret and I have like a visible tattoo. And I'm holding a coffee.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah, exactly.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

I just want to say the. The specific they watch that you're on you. It's less about. It's like not like. It's not like. It is a point system for sure. I totally love that system and I love the way that that's how they did their baby. It's more an energy. I think you're so smart and advanced that I find you, but I would never. I'm not worried about you becoming they them. I'm thinking she they she they.

[Charlie Puth]

Of course. Obviously.

[Natalie McCray]

Oh yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm thinking she way. The entire way.

[Charlie Puth]

100%.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

I mean I'm with you.

[Caleb Hearon]

And if you popped out with he him, I would be obviously so supportive, but terribly shocked, of course.

[Charlie Puth]

Well, by the way, if I was gonna do that, I would call you. Like, I would 100% give you.

[Natalie McCray]

You would not find out about that from online.

[Charlie Puth]

100%. Or you wouldn't get the clue for my clothes first.

[Natalie McCray]

I was he day for a second. Were you in college? Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Did you know that doesn't surprise me.

[Natalie McCray]

But what I find Google forms. I was like, he like, yeah, let's just test it out on this Google form.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

And that was honestly more of like a political stance. Genuinely. And more of like a cultural signification than it was. Although obviously it also was like an expression of something true to me as well.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Saying that to camera, you can be the judge.

[Caleb Hearon]

Truly you.

[Charlie Puth]

That's me like eating pussy.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah.

[Caleb Hearon]

Political. It was true to me.

[Charlie Puth]

For me in college, it was. Yes.

[Natalie McCray]

I did it on a Google form once.

[Caleb Hearon]

I feel humiliated by how often I am on he him. It's like humiliating in this day and age. I'm like, it does feel. At least they don't. You feel that I should, but I don't feel that way.

[Charlie Puth]

No. And to be honest, like, as much fun as we're having, like, I'm pretty sure, like, in the sense that, like, it just is not like ob. Like my gender is more like something. But it's like it just. It's right now I like, don't like, it's not where I'm like, I need.

[Natalie McCray]

I do feel like the pronounosity is not like the one way to have just gender variance, honestly. Yeah, like. Like that. It doesn't have to be the. I mean, it's like an amazing tool, but it's not the only tool you have to like, express or like, think about your gender.

[Charlie Puth]

It's so fun, though.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's so fun.

[Natalie McCray]

What's pronouns.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah. It's so cute. And gender. And like, everyone is just like. Like humping and they're changing the way they look and then they're humping other people and they're changing. They're humping, they're changing, they're humping, they're changing, they're humping. I think it's sweet.

[Caleb Hearon]

It is sweet. And sometimes when people say things about boys, I'm like, I do just relate. Like, I am repetitive. I do love violence.

[Natalie McCray]

No, it's like, I love like legit.

[Caleb Hearon]

I do love violence. I'm sorry.

[Charlie Puth]

Don't take my train.

[Caleb Hearon]

Like, that's like When a movie's about war, like, I'm simply watching.

[Natalie McCray]

Really?

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, I love it. One of my favorite movies is in Glorious Basterds.

[Charlie Puth]

Are you for real? I didn't know that about you.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's just like, that's the kind of stuff. It's like, that's.

[Charlie Puth]

And I feel very girl because, like, I've never seen any of those. And mine are all like, Miss Congeniality. Lilibon.

[Caleb Hearon]

I also love those. That's the gay.

[Charlie Puth]

You're gay.

[Caleb Hearon]

That's the gay.

[Charlie Puth]

You're a gay guy. You're a gay guy.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm like, there has to be some kind of social niche for a person like you.

[Caleb Hearon]

Are you gay guy, or are you guy who's gay?

[Natalie McCray]

No, I'm gay guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm guy who's gay. Whoa. I think. Don't you feel you tricked me. Football. It's football and it's football.

[Charlie Puth]

You were saying that.

[Natalie McCray]

I was like, my arm hurts. I can't do that. What's funny is, with my family, which is mostly on my dad's side, it's mostly boys, and they'll play football. I'm like, no. But then they'll play Frisbee, and I'm like, yeah, you know what I mean?

[Caleb Hearon]

That completely tracks as a Jewish no.

[Charlie Puth]

Okay, so.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, stop.

[Natalie McCray]

Don't talk to me like that. It.

[Charlie Puth]

Stop it. I feel like.

[Caleb Hearon]

Testing it out, trying to. No, no, Different. Okay, that's. Mom, stop.

[Charlie Puth]

That's fine. I was gonna say, I feel like you're very, like, gregarious. That can be guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Sometimes guy first is like, I'm loving.

[Caleb Hearon]

By the way, the dichotomy of Jewish gregarious. I'm loving that as well.

[Charlie Puth]

No, the Jewish was like, that's why they can play Frisbee and not football.

[Natalie McCray]

But they. They play football. I just don't do it. Do you know what I mean?

[Charlie Puth]

Your family?

[Natalie McCray]

My dad said, yeah, they'll play football together. And that's when I'm like, it's actually just too straight for me to get in. And that's why you're a guy who's gay. And I'm like, a gay guy. But I can do sports with that. I go on bike rides with them, you know, And I like to be athletic, which can be a gay guy.

[Caleb Hearon]

Training totally gay guy.

[Natalie McCray]

But sometimes. But, like, the football of it all, I'm like, this is just a sticking point for me. I just can't do it.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

It's just too much. I'm like, I'm just too Flouncy for me to really feel comfortable in it.

[Charlie Puth]

You're a gay guy.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm just. I'm like. I literally throw football. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, I threw it too short.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, exactly.

[Caleb Hearon]

Do you think you're gay, girl or girl who's gay?

[Charlie Puth]

I think I'm a girl who's gay.

[Caleb Hearon]

Nice.

[Charlie Puth]

Or what? I don't remember.

[Caleb Hearon]

Don't worry about it.

[Charlie Puth]

But I am. Natalie.

[Caleb Hearon]

You're so Natalie.

[Charlie Puth]

Again. None of the camera's pointing at me.

[Caleb Hearon]

Wait, did you guys prepare a so true for you?

[Natalie McCray]

I am nervous. Stores to not anymore play music with lyrics in them.

[Caleb Hearon]

Charlie. So true is I am needing stores to not anymore play music with lyrics in them.

[Natalie McCray]

It's like a lock in that kind of phrasing.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, we're gonna hold on that.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, we're just like. We're printing that out. What?

[Caleb Hearon]

I confused.

[Natalie McCray]

I get really, like, overwhelmed and already being in a grocery store or something, it's like, it's distracting. And there's so much great, like, ambient and instrumental music. But I'm in stories sometimes. I'm going through a hard time occasionally.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

And the stories are playing music. It's like, oh, I miss you so bad. Whatever. That's very distracting. Or the stories playing. They're playing loud, loud music with lyrics. And I'm trying to read the back of the bottle to understand what's going on with the bottle.

[Charlie Puth]

What's in the bottle?

[Natalie McCray]

Well, I wouldn't know.

[Caleb Hearon]

Name it, sister. You name it, sister. Who knows? Anything could be good. Any bottle. I'm with you on this, I guess.

[Natalie McCray]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Caleb Hearon]

It cost me nothing.

[Natalie McCray]

Totally sucks.

[Caleb Hearon]

It's. No, it's good. What you did was a good so true. It's your trepidation that's making it sort of slide off.

[Natalie McCray]

Right. Because actually, like, what I had to do is be like, direct a camera like this.

[Caleb Hearon]

That.

[Natalie McCray]

I mean, that.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. Oh, I do have a so true. Actually this episode.

[Charlie Puth]

Great.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm going to do another one.

[Caleb Hearon]

I will go. Yours was really good.

[Natalie McCray]

Thank you.

[Caleb Hearon]

Kava. The fact that I cannot order a kava wrap ahead of time unless I am a loyalty member is insane. Let me order a wrap. I mean, well, that's crazy.

[Charlie Puth]

Like, why are they trying to limit their sales?

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm trying to buy food from.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, right, right.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm waiting in a 30 person in Midtown Manhattan.

[Natalie McCray]

It's an artificial scarcity thing for them.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

They're like, we're gonna be a little more in demand. We're gonna reject you arbitrarily. No, I don't want. It's like, you are not that in demand. And you're. You don't need to be like, reserve.

[Caleb Hearon]

Let me order a wrap. Let me order a wrap ahead of time so I can walk in and grab it. It would also do you a favor.

[Natalie McCray]

You're overplaying kava.

[Caleb Hearon]

You're overplaying your home. You're playing cards you don't have.

[Natalie McCray]

You're not Be way.

[Caleb Hearon]

I saw a really funny Trump clip today.

[Charlie Puth]

What was it?

[Caleb Hearon]

Sorry. I know. I hate to say it.

[Charlie Puth]

Okay.

[Caleb Hearon]

He was talking about Pete Buttigieg, and he goes. This guy, he doesn't. He doesn't know what he's talking about. He rides his bicycle to work with his husband on the back, which is a beautiful and loving relationship. But he literally said that. And I was like, he's a genius. I'm sorry. He's one of the funniest people alive. I don't know what we're going to do about it.

[Natalie McCray]

You know what this is. I want to show you that I know your work. I love what you said about him being like. He'd be such a good Joan Rivers.

[Caleb Hearon]

Thank you.

[Charlie Puth]

That's so true. That's what he always wanted anyways.

[Natalie McCray]

I know that stuff Caleb said.

[Charlie Puth]

I like that. Okay. I have one.

[Caleb Hearon]

Say it.

[Charlie Puth]

Well, another. Okay. Because I'm watching Summer House right now, which is a show about straight people.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yes.

[Charlie Puth]

I'm learning something from them.

[Caleb Hearon]

Oh, my God.

[Charlie Puth]

That straight girl, they go into dating, like, war. And the people they're dating are not their friends, and they have their army of their little friends behind them.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

And they are ready for things to go south. And when they do, they're like, it's attack. It's the anger of a thousand failed hookups comes out on the guy. I like that. And I think gay people could learn from that. You know what I mean? Instead of like a kind of Kumbaya, like, hey, no worries. Like, that's it. When you're dating.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Like, it's helpful to have a little bit of a.

[Charlie Puth]

Like a. I like the properness of it. That they're like, take me out on a date. And then the guy doesn't do it. And it's like, you're not getting my flower. Like, I like that.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah. That's cool.

[Caleb Hearon]

I will say, I just said on maybe. Maybe today's episode, which will mean nothing in the context of when this comes out, but I just said on a recent episode of this show, That I don't. I think people who tell themselves that they're watching reality TV anthropologically are fooling themselves. Themselves. You are the only person who. I think. I genuinely think you are one of the only people who is actually watching reality TV and learning anything from it. I think you might be the only person applying lenses to reality TV viewership. Everyone else is kind of like a fool who's kidding themselves. You're like one of the only ones.

[Natalie McCray]

All she's doing, you are watching it for fun.

[Charlie Puth]

Of course I enjoy it, but it enriches my life more than any relationship.

[Natalie McCray]

I've watched Real Housewives with Natalie and. And it's like she is pausing every four minutes to be like. So the thing with her is that she does that. She has this lack of self awareness that makes it so that when she's in conflict, she doesn't understand her tone.

[Caleb Hearon]

She pauses. She's like, women, make ourselves smaller.

[Natalie McCray]

It's like, yeah, okay, I am actually.

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm actually with you. I'm learning.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm learning.

[Charlie Puth]

Well, it's just fun on Housewives because there's no men on the show. Actually, like, the men are just like little puppets that they put their hands up Charlie Brown. It's like a world without men.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Puth]

Okay. Not you guys, obviously, of course.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, no, no.

[Natalie McCray]

I'd be in there. Here's my other one. What?

[Caleb Hearon]

You don't need to do another one, but okay, you're welcome, Sue.

[Natalie McCray]

This is my other one, which is, you know, I miss when in texting and in chatting and online chatting, there was a clearer, more defined state of when you were available and when you were in. And I want to be able to bring back G2G and BRB because I find it really frustrating and difficult that you can be chatting with someone just like kind of dynamically and fluidly, and then all of a sudden they drop off because they're understandably not able to be on their phones all the time. But the way the language works is it's kind of assumed that you are just a little bit available. And I think there should be clearer available and away message. Yeah, actually, we should have like an away message. And available for, like, chatting. Yeah, on texting. Because I find it so sometimes I'll throw in a BRB and people act like I'm crazy.

[Charlie Puth]

It's. Well, when you do say not you.

[Natalie McCray]

But like, when one.

[Charlie Puth]

If you. Like, I've tried to do a thing where you're like, okay, like, you're talking to someone and then you're like, okay, I gotta go. They're like, fuck you.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

You're so desperate.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, exactly.

[Natalie McCray]

Exactly. It, like, comes off as a, like, sorry, I know you kind of want to keep chatting. Yeah, I know. Anytime someone says that to me, it's like, they'll be like, oh, I have to go. I'm like, I have to go too. Like, I'm also having to go.

[Caleb Hearon]

You think I don't have to go.

[Natalie McCray]

I'm literally in. I'm about to start a pilates class right now. Like, what are you even talking about?

[Caleb Hearon]

I'm going as well. Everyone's going.

[Natalie McCray]

Everybody's going. That's the trend these days.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, everyone's.

[Natalie McCray]

So that's. But I. It is still what I want want. And you can choose one of my so trues and you can vote on it. Text either one. Text either 1. Or 2. To 8. 7. 7. Caleb.

[Caleb Hearon]

Guys, we. We have to finish the episode because we still have to do the bonus content.

[Charlie Puth]

What?

[Caleb Hearon]

So we've got bonus content to do. So if anyone. If anyone wants even more of this. What have we been recording for an hour and 20 minutes? Yeah. Yeah. So if you guys want even more, you can head over to the Patreon. Do you. Is there anything I want to plug? You're obviously your podcast.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, let's plug Charlie and Natalie's podcast exploration live on the Headgum Network, where it's basically just like this.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah.

[Natalie McCray]

Except a little bit less Caleb. A little.

[Caleb Hearon]

All the time. There's sometimes when I come through. Well, you have invited me, and I've come. When I've been invited, I keep being.

[Natalie McCray]

Like, why have you not come to my house?

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah, it's like, either of your homes. But I've been invited on the podcast and I have come.

[Natalie McCray]

That's true.

[Caleb Hearon]

And I did your live show six years ago, and that was beautiful to me.

[Charlie Puth]

Ending, like, in a super tense place, but I kind of like it.

[Caleb Hearon]

No, it's not tense to me at all. These are. These are just the facts. I feel a deep love towards both of you, even if whether or not it's reciprocal is obviously the jury's out. But, like, I have a deep love for both of you, and that'll never change.

[Charlie Puth]

Oh, yeah, we love Caleb.

[Natalie McCray]

We love Caleb's fans and audience. And in the comments, feel free to say, hey, y', all, if you made it this far.

[Caleb Hearon]

Yeah. Say, hey, y'. All.

[Natalie McCray]

Are you gonna do the hey, y' all challenge below?

[Caleb Hearon]

Are you gonna talk about Sorry, baby.

[Natalie McCray]

Yes.

[Caleb Hearon]

Okay.

[Charlie Puth]

Yes. Okay, we're on this.

[Caleb Hearon]

No okay.

[Charlie Puth]

Yeah. Well, basically I have a part, small part, in a movie that's coming out in the end of June. I think that's okay to say, right? It's called Sorry Baby. It's written, directed, starring my very close friend, Ava Victor.

[Natalie McCray]

It's really good.

[Charlie Puth]

It honestly has so much buzz. So it's honestly like.

[Natalie McCray]

Yeah, it's really cool. The movie's amazing.

[Charlie Puth]

I saw, so you guys should go check it out. I think it's like New York and LA and then onwards from there. So coastal. You all gotta show up.

[Caleb Hearon]

The coasts have to show up for once.

[Natalie McCray]

I know you're probably busy with your gallery openings and whatnot, but try to make some time.

[Caleb Hearon]

Charlie and Natalie, we love you. Thank you for doing this.

[Charlie Puth]

Thank you so much.

[Caleb Hearon]

That was a headgum podcast.

[Charlie Puth]

Hi there. My name is Allison Williams. If you know who I am at all, it would probably be thanks to my job as an actress on shows like Girls and in movies like Megan. Recently, when I was having a moment of gratitude for my group chat, I thought, I wish everyone could have these geniuses at their fingertips like I do. Well, now you do. Hi. Hi, it's Hope. Hey, babe, it's Jamie. Welcome to our podcast Landlines, where we share our life sustaining and shame extinguishing friendship. We have known each other and we've been friends for a very long time. Hope was my first best friend, but it wasn't mutual. I mean, I asked, I distinctly remember, I feel so calling her on the phone and asking if she'd sit next to me on the bus. And she said, maybe. She didn't say no, maybe he's meaner. She wasn't mean. Like, discerning. When I was pregnant, I started this group chat to prepare and crowdsource, and it's been such a delight to troubleshoot with our friend group. And we just had this thought, should we invite other people into our group chat? I'm a therapist. I'm a trained early childhood educator. And I'm, well, you know, whatever I am, I guess someone who has the vibe of having it all together. And still the three of us find it hard to be moms, partners, friends, family members, professional women, and just, you know, adults. The stuff we're talking about, whatever the recent fight was with our partner or the parenting concern we have or a funny thing with our kids or is like, what's going on with my body? I feel like I have, like a family of squirrels living in my lower abdomen. Like, I feel affirmed. I feel normalized. I feel like I'm not going fucking crazy and I had to talk it out with you guys with different perspectives and different identities that you're juggling totally. Lifelong friendship has been our lifeline. We sincerely hope our conversation makes you feel less alone in whatever you're going through. So subscribe to Landlines on Spotify, Apple Podcast Casts, Pocket Casts, or wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes are out now on Hudcum. Love you.