Natalie Palamides is a Good Guy

Summary

Podcast Summary: So True with Caleb Hearon – "Natalie Palamides is a Good Guy"

Podcast Information:

• Title: So True with Caleb Hearon
• Host: Caleb Hearon
• Guest: Natalie Palamides
• Release Date: April 17, 2025
• Description: A weekly podcast where beloved gay comedian Caleb Hearon delves into personal stories, industry insights, and humorous conversations to identify what’s truly real.

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Introduction

The episode kicks off with Caleb Hearon welcoming guest comedian Natalie Palamides. Their dynamic chemistry is evident as they dive straight into personal anecdotes and shared experiences within the comedy and voice acting spheres.

Fan Interactions and Celebrity Encounters

• James Corden Praise: Natalie shares a memorable interaction with James Corden, who lauded Caleb as "the funniest comedian of all time" during a coffee meeting in London ([03:48]). This high praise sets a tone of mutual respect and admiration between the hosts.

  Natalie Palamides ([03:48]): "James Corden says you're the funniest comedian of all time."

• Caleb’s Admiration for Natalie: Caleb reciprocates the admiration, highlighting Natalie's exceptional voice work and comedic talent.

  Caleb Hearon ([03:22]): "Your voice work is incredible. I'm a huge fan."

Career Challenges and Opportunities

• Pitching Comedy Specials: Natalie recounts her journey pitching her comedy special "Nate" to Netflix. Initially passed, the special gained traction independently and was eventually picked up after demonstrating its unique appeal ([10:22]-[11:05]).

  Natalie Palamides ([10:25]): "We shot it independently, and when we went back around, they bought it."

• Collaborative Spirit: Both comedians discuss the importance of supporting each other’s projects and the potential for future collaborations.

  Caleb Hearon ([32:38]): "Have you seen me in a couple of films?"

  Natalie Palamides ([32:42]): "Yeah. Let’s go."

Social Media and Modern Technology

• Smartphone Dependency: The conversation shifts to the pervasive role of smartphones in daily life. Caleb announces his switch to a dumb phone to reduce dependency ([16:02]-[17:08]).

  Caleb Hearon ([16:02]): "I'm rebelling because I'm tired of everything requiring a goddamn smartphone."

• Global Perspectives: They compare technological practices in different countries, noting Japan’s self-cleaning facilities and the struggles with smartphone-only dependencies in places like London ([08:55]-[18:12]).

  Natalie Palamides ([17:43]): "Every single bathroom in Japan has a bidet."

Health and Alternative Medicine

• Ozone Therapy Experience: Natalie opens up about her struggle with a mysterious illness that led her to alternative treatments like ozone therapy, which caused legal complications when her practitioner was reported to the FBI ([38:07]-[40:58]).

  Natalie Palamides ([39:08]): "My friend called the FBI on him."

• Caleb’s Concern: Caleb expresses worry over the safety and legitimacy of such treatments, emphasizing trust and caution.

  Caleb Hearon ([40:24]): "What does that mean? What does that mean?"

Living in a Simulation

• Philosophical Debate: The hosts engage in a playful yet thought-provoking discussion about the possibility of living in a simulation, referencing the iconic cheat code “Rosebud!” from The Sims ([45:00]-[67:50]).

  Natalie Palamides ([45:38]): "Are we Sims operated by people that you're calling the game makers?"

• Humorous Speculations: They brainstorm various scenarios and consequences of being in a simulation, blending humor with philosophical inquiries.

Improv and Humor

• True or False Segment: Natalie showcases her improv skills by participating in a "True or False" game with Caleb, answering rapid-fire statements with accuracy and comedic flair ([65:41]-[67:56]).

  Caleb Hearon ([65:57]): "The Nintendo Game Boy was powered by AAA batteries."

  Natalie Palamides ([66:01]): "True."

• Comedic Chemistry: Their ability to bounce off each other's humor demonstrates their strong comedic partnership and improvisational talent.

  Caleb Hearon ([66:55]): "Caleb, how did she do?"

  Natalie Palamides ([66:57]): "It's all good."

Personal Growth and Reflections

• Career Growth: Natalie reflects on her experiences moving to Los Angeles and balancing live performances with film opportunities, including a near-cast in Seth Rogen’s "The American Pickle" before personal setbacks intervened ([30:11]-[32:14]).

  Natalie Palamides ([31:24]): "Years ago, I got hit by a motorcycle and had to cancel the show anyway."

• Authenticity and Identity: They discuss the challenges of maintaining authenticity in the entertainment industry while navigating personal beliefs and societal expectations.

  Natalie Palamides ([62:27]): "I wasn't afraid to go there."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Caleb Hearon ([07:08]): "It's like asking me if I want to have a picnic in a graveyard."
• Natalie Palamides ([16:22]): "I think 10,000 is good enough."
• Caleb Hearon ([37:17]): "If someone’s like, 5G towers are real, but I voted for the person you wanted. I'm like, rock on."

Insights and Conclusions

This episode highlights the deep camaraderie between Caleb and Natalie, showcasing their ability to blend personal narratives with broader societal discussions. Natalie’s openness about her health journey and Caleb’s commitment to reducing technological dependency provide listeners with relatable and thought-provoking content. Their exploration of living authentically in a highly connected world, coupled with their comedic interactions, underscores the importance of balance, humor, and mutual support in personal and professional lives.

Conclusion

Caleb and Natalie wrap up the episode by reaffirming their support for each other and their appreciation for the listeners. The conversation leaves audiences with a sense of warmth, humor, and a deeper understanding of the challenges and triumphs within the comedy and entertainment industries.

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Notable Moments:

• [03:48] Natalie shares James Corden’s high praise for Caleb.
• [16:02] Caleb announces his switch to a dumb phone.
• [38:07] Natalie discusses her experience with ozone therapy.
• [45:00] The playful debate on living in a simulation begins.
• [65:41] Launch of the True or False improv segment.

This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, providing an engaging overview for listeners and highlighting the key discussions and humorous exchanges between Caleb Hearon and Natalie Palamides.

Transcript

[Natalie Palamides]

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[Caleb Huron]

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[Natalie Palamides]

I should have freaking brought some. Isn't there an air one?

[Caleb Huron]

Does it make it sick?

[Natalie Palamides]

No, it. Well, you know, anything can make you sick, right?

[Caleb Huron]

Okay.

[Natalie Palamides]

If you get.

[Caleb Huron]

You do a lot of voiceover stuff.

[Natalie Palamides]

I do. Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

You're on one of these a lot.

[Natalie Palamides]

Cartoons.

[Caleb Huron]

You're in a booth doing some wild shit on the.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, I'm on the mic. But they would never take this. They would never want the visor in, really? Because. I don't know, I guess it warps the sound so they always have you turn it around.

[Caleb Huron]

Really?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Interesting, right?

[Caleb Huron]

I've only done a little voiceover, and if I wore a hat, I'm sure they didn't care enough to have me move it. They're like, that's fine.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, because you're a star.

[Caleb Huron]

No, because I'm not a. I'm not. You. You can do so many. Your voice work is incredible.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, thank you.

[Caleb Huron]

You know, I'm such a huge fan. Your comedy in general. I'm such a massive.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm a huge fan, too. The thing I want to tell you is about somebody else who's a big fan of you.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, you said. Okay, so. Okay. So you said before we started recording. Can I tell you something or should I save it for the record? Yeah, I said save it.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay, tell me, are we recording?

[Caleb Huron]

Well, we're recording.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, okay.

[Caleb Huron]

So we sneak up on people on this show. You never know we've started.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, okay. Okay. Love it. So I was having coffee with James Corden.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

And he said, you're the funniest comedian of all time.

[Caleb Huron]

James.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, James.

[Caleb Huron]

Stop it. Yeah, James Corden. You wouldn't possibly.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, he said you're a star.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, that is very nice of him.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. He said, you're gonna blow up and be one of the, like, most iconic movie star, like. Like one of the voices of our generation, or. He said, you already are.

[Caleb Huron]

Well, that's.

[Natalie Palamides]

He's obsessed. He's obsessed.

[Caleb Huron]

What were you guys. Did you guys get coffee in la?

[Natalie Palamides]

We got coffee in London. He came to see my show.

[Caleb Huron]

As he should.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. And. Yeah. He's so nice and he loves you so much. He is so nice.

[Caleb Huron]

He's been so sweet to me. He, like, called me years ago. I was still living in Chicago, and I had some video do, like, I don't know, some kind of numbers on Twitter. Not even one of my big ones, I don't think. And James got my number from our. We share an agent. And he was like, caleb, I just feel like you've got it. Like, you've got it.

[Natalie Palamides]

See, you're so good at voices, actually.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay, nailing James.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, you are.

[Caleb Huron]

He was so sweet. And the last time I saw him was also in London. He came to my show when I was out there, and then I went to see him in a play. And the next day he was like, do you wanna go get lunch at Soho House? And I was like, well, I'd rather die, but let's do it. And so we went to Soho House in London, and, you know, I watched him, and maybe I'll text him and ask if he's okay with me telling you this, but I thought it was so funny. We were sitting at, like, by the pool at the Soho House. This woman walks up. I know we're not supposed to bother people here, but I just. James, I'm such a big fan, and I just want to know what's gonna happen with your. With your TV show. He's got that TV show years ago that they're doing another. And he goes. He goes, do you really want to know? And she goes, yeah, I really do. What's gonna happen with this character? And James goes, he dies. We just. We just filmed his funeral. And she goes, oh, my God, are you serious? And James goes, yeah. I mean, I don't tell anybody, but yeah, we just filmed his funeral. And he dies. And she goes, okay, well, I'm sorry to bother you guys and have a good day. She walks away. And I go, is that true? And he goes, no.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, my God, that's legendary.

[Caleb Huron]

And then when we left, I was like. He was like. He was like, how you getting home? And I was like, I'm gonna take a line bike. And he was like, me too. And then he got on a line bike and, like, line biked away from me. I was like, james Corden, you can't be on that line bike.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, my God, it will kill you. Yeah. Epic. I saw. Well, a lady came up to him in the cafe with me, and he was so nice. He was like. She's like, can I please get a picture with you? And he was like, when are you leaving? And she's like, probably in an hour. He's like, come back to me when you're leaving. I promise I'll get a picture. It was just so, you know, I was like. Thought I was so diligent and, you know, he set a boundary, but still like, you know, gave this woman what she desperately wanted and so sweet. I know.

[Caleb Huron]

You got to go to a regular cafe. You didn't have to go to Soho House.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, yeah, Just a regular. But in his neck of the woods. In his neck of the woods, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

You had to go over there. Yeah, yeah. Soho House is such an insidious space.

[Natalie Palamides]

Something about it. Yeah. Just isn't right. This just doesn't sit right.

[Caleb Huron]

It's basically when you ask me if I want to go to the Soho House, it's like asking me, would you like to have a picnic in a graveyard?

[Natalie Palamides]

Uh huh. Yeah. It's where a lot of dreams go to die.

[Caleb Huron]

It's just, it's like project managers, I don't know, I just can't out loud. Phone calls where it's like, no, tell them we want 10 million. You know, it's just like, ah, shut the fuck up.

[Natalie Palamides]

It's a lot of people that maybe are aspiring to be like, have a certain kind of stature or something.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah. And I reek of somebody's guest.

[Natalie Palamides]

No, you don't.

[Caleb Huron]

I reek of somebody's guest.

[Natalie Palamides]

No, you don't. You're the member.

[Caleb Huron]

I walk in there and they go, they go, who are you with? Who are you with, sir? You're not a member of this establishment.

[Natalie Palamides]

People say that to me often too. They're like, what are you doing here? Yeah. They often look at me like, you know, you're not supposed to be here kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. But I'm usually a little, maybe disheveled looking or something. Not as nice as I look right now.

[Caleb Huron]

Now you look good in my head.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. But I will say Soho House, they have a good burger maybe.

[Caleb Huron]

The thing is, their chicken bites are to die for.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, yeah. I haven't had a chicken bite.

[Caleb Huron]

I would never take this from them.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

I would never take this from them.

[Natalie Palamides]

How kind of you.

[Caleb Huron]

The vibes are insidious, but the chicken bites are something special.

[Natalie Palamides]

Actually, I have a really bad memory associated with Soho House because I got hit by a motorcycle in London recently. In 2018, fall 20, I was crossing the street at Dalston Kingston Station because I was late to some meetings I was having at the Soho House. And the train there only comes, you know, every 15 minutes. And I was like, fuck if I miss this Train like, I'm gonna be really late to this meeting. And so I looked both ways. The cars were stopped for traffic, and I was just like, I'm clear. I dart in between the cars, and a motorcycle comes up the middle and just decks me. And I fly through the air. I'm thinking, oh, my God, I'm dead. You know, I was thinking, you're in.

[Caleb Huron]

The air going, that's it.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking, fuck. Like, yeah. And then some angels must have come and swooped me because I just landed, like, very delicately on my side. Not a scratch on me. I was wearing this big North Face winter coat that I had just got. And yeah, I just had a big bruise on my side, but I didn't hit my head. I didn't break anything. I just popped right up and I yelled out to the guy, both his mirrors, knocked off his bike. And I said, are you okay? And then we got swarmed by two giant crowds of people. And I was like, I gotta go. I gotta go. I'm gonna miss my train. Ran down to the train station. A doctor chased me down. And she's like, I gotta check you. You gotta go to the A and E. Like. And she was like. She had a little flashlight on her. Yes.

[Caleb Huron]

She was like, breathe deep for me.

[Natalie Palamides]

She got a stethoscope and, yeah, she checked my eyes and she said, you gotta go to the A and E. But I was like, no, I have to go to these meetings. But I'm a little bit resentful of the people I had these meetings with, because I got there and I was like, sorry, Emily, I just got hit by motorcycle. And they're like, oh, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I think so. But they should have been like, you need to go to the hospital.

[Caleb Huron]

They should have been like, let's take this meeting in the er, Right? Or the A and E, I guess. I don't know what the hell is that?

[Natalie Palamides]

But it's like, why? Why didn't they. Like, I was obviously in shock, you know, I could have had internal bleeding.

[Caleb Huron]

That was my first thought. A real hypochondriac knows internal bleeding is. That's some real shit. Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, exactly. Anyways, I had two meetings at this back to back meetings at the Soho House.

[Caleb Huron]

Now, did anything come of them?

[Natalie Palamides]

Nothing happened.

[Caleb Huron]

God damn it.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know. Fuck.

[Caleb Huron]

I wanted to hear, like, that's. And that's how I sold Nate.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. No, I wish Nate had already been. Oh, no, it wasn't sold by then.

[Caleb Huron]

It definitely wasn't. Out.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. No. 2018. No. Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

How. How did that. How did you pitch that? That's what Nate is one of the only specials I have, like, sit down and watched on purpose.

[Natalie Palamides]

Really?

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, yeah, dude, I'm a huge fan.

[Natalie Palamides]

Thanks, Caleb.

[Caleb Huron]

Well, how did you pitch that to them?

[Natalie Palamides]

Well, Amy Poehler's company saw it at the Attenborough Fringe. So they approached me and said, we love your show. Do you wanna shoot it as a special? And obviously I was like, yeah. And, yeah, I do.

[Caleb Huron]

Of course I wanna do that.

[Natalie Palamides]

They pitched it to Netflix, and Netflix was like. They watched a tape of the show and they were like, we don't know how this would work on tv. And they passed on it. And then we shot it independently. And then when we came back around shopping it to people, they bought it. Hmm. Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

That's interesting.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. On the other side, huh?

[Caleb Huron]

Did you have a little bidding war going?

[Natalie Palamides]

Not at all.

[Caleb Huron]

No. It was straight to the.

[Natalie Palamides]

Nobody else wanted it. Everybody else said no. Yeah. I mean, it was straight to Netflix.

[Caleb Huron]

That's crazy. No, we chose Netflix only.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Yeah, we chose Netflix only.

[Caleb Huron]

Can I ask you a question?

[Natalie Palamides]

I only go with him.

[Caleb Huron]

Can I ask you a personal question?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yep.

[Caleb Huron]

It's inappropriate.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay. I like that stuff. You can ask me anything. You can cross any boundary you like.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

And then if you just, you know, if you want to, you'll just tell us and we'll cut it.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Caleb Huron]

How much you making on those GEICO commercials?

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, come on. Come on.

[Caleb Huron]

What are we raking in? What are we raking in on those?

[Natalie Palamides]

I'll make, like a year from those.

[Caleb Huron]

That really makes me happy.

[Natalie Palamides]

Thank you so much. It's so lucky. Yeah, it's so. It's like the luckiest job ever. I always think they're gonna fire me because I'm, like, naked on TV and stuff like that, and sometimes I post something. Yeah, I think they like having, like, a little edgy comedian around. You know, they like it. Give them a little bit of an edge.

[Caleb Huron]

And don't you feel that sometimes there's like, a.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right. You guys like that Geico, right? Please.

[Caleb Huron]

Well, that lizards a sex freak.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Me and the Lizard.

[Caleb Huron]

You and the Lizard are out there showing off your shit.

[Natalie Palamides]

Exactly.

[Caleb Huron]

Now, I do think that there's some execs at some, like, advertising agencies and in some marketing groups that are like. My job, as I see it, is to get some. Some. Some comedians some money. I think that some of them see it that way.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Don't you Think they go, I love this comedian. I'm gonna get them paid.

[Natalie Palamides]

I mean, they must be doing that for me. I mean, it's like a full ride scholarship. I have to Hollywood. Like, there's no other way I could make like all my weird shows if I didn't have this bankroll. Well, you know, and, you know, be eating nice snooshy and stuff. You know, I'm eating sushi.

[Caleb Huron]

You're eating sushi.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm like, you know, taking my friends out to dinner. But, you know, I see it as like, I gotta share the scholarship. You know, my friends are always like, why always picking up the tab? You know, because I. I'm always like, I got this. And they're like, you always do. But I'm like, but I got the scholarship.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

I should be doing this.

[Caleb Huron]

I got the Guy Copel Grant.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, exactly.

[Caleb Huron]

So I. I owe it to my community in the dorms.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm like, we artists need to support artists.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

So I need to pick up the sushi tab.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm not picking up the tab.

[Natalie Palamides]

Well, but I'm not doing it.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I tell my friends if they're. Even if they're. If I go out to dinner with a broke friend, I say, you're paying because I want you to know there's individual responsibility.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right, right, right, right.

[Caleb Huron]

Just because I make a lot of money doesn't mean I'm picking up the sandwiches.

[Natalie Palamides]

You can't. Yet in a way, you're enabling them.

[Caleb Huron]

It's like, hard. Exactly.

[Natalie Palamides]

Successful.

[Caleb Huron]

If you want to be like me, you have to suffer. Paying for the sandwiches.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, exactly.

[Caleb Huron]

You know what I mean? And so I'm actually looking out for them.

[Natalie Palamides]

You are?

[Caleb Huron]

Yes.

[Natalie Palamides]

In a way, I'm doing my friends a disservice. Then you.

[Caleb Huron]

I didn't want to say it, but yes. You're coddling them.

[Natalie Palamides]

That's why all the clowns are like struggling right now.

[Caleb Huron]

Because they're sucking on mommy's teeth.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Big time. Both of them.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, both of them.

[Natalie Palamides]

And there's not a lot in there.

[Caleb Huron]

It's funny to imagine that instead of both of the teats, you meant both of the clowns. There's only two.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

It's just you, Chad, and one more.

[Natalie Palamides]

Courtney.

[Caleb Huron]

Courtney.

[Natalie Palamides]

Maybe Zack Zucker.

[Caleb Huron]

Zack. I was going to say Zack.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. But I'm like, you know what I always say to my parents? Because my parents are like, why I was picking up everybody's tab and I'm Like, I'm rich. And they're like, no, you're not. Like, you can't buy a house. You know what I mean?

[Caleb Huron]

No, but we're comedian rich.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Or comedian rich. That's good.

[Caleb Huron]

Also. That's what your parents do.

[Natalie Palamides]

What do my parents do?

[Caleb Huron]

What do they do that they think that's not rich?

[Natalie Palamides]

No, I make more than that.

[Caleb Huron]

They're like, you're not rich. Don't pick up sushi. But they're like, I wondered where I'm from. That's a billionaire.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Yeah. But they live in Pittsburgh, you know, so, like, they're like, if you were here, that'd be fine. But they're trying to look out. Pittsburgh, it's a good town. Where are you from, by the way?

[Caleb Huron]

Kansas City.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay. Oh. That's how you know you're friends with Kevin Morby.

[Caleb Huron]

I sure am.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. I sure am friends with Kevin Morby on Instagram.

[Caleb Huron]

Kevin loves you.

[Natalie Palamides]

I love him, too.

[Caleb Huron]

He's a huge fan of your comedy.

[Natalie Palamides]

He's coming to my show this week, I think. Are you gonna come?

[Caleb Huron]

When is it?

[Natalie Palamides]

April 14th through the 17th.

[Caleb Huron]

I'll be gone, baby. I'll be gone. I'll be back to New York.

[Natalie Palamides]

New York. Well, I'll be in New York in the fall.

[Caleb Huron]

Really? You promise?

[Natalie Palamides]

I promise. Will you come?

[Caleb Huron]

To your show?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

To your show?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Yes.

[Natalie Palamides]

And we'll be friends.

[Caleb Huron]

Natalie, it's just quick. It's quick. You're in my hat and you're asking if we'll be. I mean, friendly. Friendly. Wait, do you know what just happened to me?

[Natalie Palamides]

What?

[Caleb Huron]

This might affect our friendship.

[Natalie Palamides]

No.

[Caleb Huron]

So you deserve to know. I do really want to be closer friends with you. But I did just get a dumb phone.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm jealous. That's what I want, that kind of phone.

[Caleb Huron]

Everyone's already mad at me.

[Natalie Palamides]

No. Cause they go green.

[Caleb Huron]

They go green.

[Natalie Palamides]

But that's what I want. And listen, this pisses me off because I just went to Disney Tokyo, shi. And in order to buy pretty much everything there, you needed to have a smartphone. And I was saying to my friend, I was like, this is fucked up.

[Caleb Huron]

It's wrong.

[Natalie Palamides]

Because what if people don't want to have one of those smartphones? What if they want to have a dumb phone so they can go, you know, not be tied to something? Listen, I'm all for this. I want to have a dumb phone.

[Caleb Huron]

Join me.

[Natalie Palamides]

I might join you. How is it?

[Caleb Huron]

I'm doing both for the moment. So I got a new number on the dumb phone right and also I went to get a new. I went yesterday to activate my dumb phone AT T Mobile.

[Natalie Palamides]

So this is new.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, just yesterday.

[Natalie Palamides]

Congratulations.

[Caleb Huron]

Thank you. I'm doing both for a while because I can already see like transportation apps like Delta Airlines app, Uber. Like those are gonna be a problem for me because you can't get them on the dumb phone.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

I don't yet have not yet figured out what I'm gonna do about that. But I'm rebelling because I'm fucking tired of what you're talking about. Everything requires a goddamn smartphone.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know.

[Caleb Huron]

I need a fucking iPhone to open the menu at the restaurant, to use a bike to.

[Natalie Palamides]

I fucking hate it at the restaurant.

[Caleb Huron]

It pisses me off.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, but how are you gonna ride the bike now?

[Caleb Huron]

I'm not gonna ride the city bikes anymore. I'm gonna have to get my own.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay, but that'll be nicer having your own bike.

[Caleb Huron]

It will, but they gotta stop doing this.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Let us put in coins to get the city bike.

[Natalie Palamides]

It was so nice. So I was just in Japan.

[Caleb Huron]

Shout out to Japan. For real?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. And they have all these vending machines where you put in coins and it's so gratifying to just be able to put in the coins. You hear it go, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Or a payphone. I wish we bring back payphones.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, let's bring them back.

[Caleb Huron]

Bring back payphones.

[Natalie Palamides]

I mean, everybody's pissing on the ones in London.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

It's a disgrace.

[Caleb Huron]

It's horrible.

[Natalie Palamides]

You know, like treat them with some respect. Like those are part of your history.

[Caleb Huron]

London's not. They're not acting right in London.

[Natalie Palamides]

They're not.

[Caleb Huron]

They're being weird over there.

[Natalie Palamides]

If they had those payphones in Japan, they'd be spic and span. Yeah, it's self clean big time. I mean, have you been there?

[Caleb Huron]

No.

[Natalie Palamides]

Every single bathroom, even in the train station, has a bidet.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

And a seat that automatically raises.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

And the seat is heated.

[Caleb Huron]

You've seen Perfect Days, haven't you? Gotta watch Perfect Days.

[Natalie Palamides]

Do I need to watch this? Okay.

[Caleb Huron]

Perfect Days Vim, vendors writing it down. Perfect Days. One of my favorite movies of the last several years.

[Natalie Palamides]

Really?

[Caleb Huron]

And it's a. You'll love it. It's especially watch it off your. Fresh off your trip.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay. I'm sorry.

[Caleb Huron]

Cause it's about a wonderful man in Japan.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay. Also, I don't know if you noticed earlier, but I said hi when we were like talking. I was like, hi. Hi. That's how they say yes over there.

[Caleb Huron]

God, you've changed. You've changed.

[Natalie Palamides]

That's why I know I just got.

[Caleb Huron]

A old money bags, Palomides. Switching up on everybody?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Yeah. Big time.

[Caleb Huron]

That's beautiful.

[Natalie Palamides]

Thank you so much. How do you like living in New York?

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, I love it.

[Natalie Palamides]

Should I move there?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

What's going on?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, you really should.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know my family wants me to move there because east coast Pittsburgh.

[Caleb Huron]

So close. Six hour drive.

[Natalie Palamides]

Only six?

[Caleb Huron]

Only six. Six and six and some change. I randomly get a lot of work in Pittsburgh.

[Natalie Palamides]

Do you?

[Caleb Huron]

I'm going back soon. I keep getting college gigs there.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh.

[Caleb Huron]

Like Q and A's at colleges. I just did Pitt and now I'm going back into Carnegie Mellon soon.

[Natalie Palamides]

Cmu.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm going in there.

[Natalie Palamides]

Wow.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm going to Pittsburgh.

[Natalie Palamides]

You know what's awesome about like I think toxic colleges, like, especially ones like I could never get in there. You know what I mean? But they're like, will you come talk with us?

[Caleb Huron]

Oh yeah. They would not have accepted me.

[Natalie Palamides]

You wouldn't accept me.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Like. And you want me to come teach your, you know, your chosen ones. What's that about it?

[Caleb Huron]

I'm doing a lot of college gigs at schools anyone could get into.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Carnegie Mellon is a different story. But I've gone to some schools. It's pretty clear they have me there as like a. I'm best case for their students.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right, right. Right on. Okay.

[Caleb Huron]

This is the. If you. You're gonna need to get on TikTok if you guys wanna make a career is what they're saying to these kids.

[Natalie Palamides]

Are you big on tik Tok?

[Caleb Huron]

I believe so.

[Natalie Palamides]

Wow.

[Caleb Huron]

I believe so. I don't post on there. It's all Virginia. Shout out to Virginia. Virginia does all the posting.

[Natalie Palamides]

Shout out Virginia. That's awesome.

[Caleb Huron]

The only time I hear about my Tik Tok. What we have like a million or 800,000 followers or something on there. They. The only time I hear about my Tik Tok is it's happening right now actually is when I have a clip that people are like pick like news sources are picking up. And by new sources I mean like resist library.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right, right, right.

[Caleb Huron]

Like democracy now will sometimes share something I say and be a comedian owns Trump. And then it's like, oh God, now I have to freaks. Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Owned his ass. And you're like, whoa, whoa. I don't want to get on his bad side like you guys shut up.

[Caleb Huron]

I'll tell you, I'm starting to think differently about talking bad about the guy.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh really?

[Caleb Huron]

He's disappearing people.

[Natalie Palamides]

Is he really?

[Caleb Huron]

Yes.

[Natalie Palamides]

Wonder where you go.

[Caleb Huron]

They're pulling defect El Salvador to a brutal prison.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, my God.

[Caleb Huron]

They're plucking people they don't like off the streets. And I'm over here talking shit on this guy. Cash shit in public, front street.

[Natalie Palamides]

Keep talking. I want to see where you go.

[Caleb Huron]

You better promise. If I keep talking shit on him and I get disappeared to El Salvador, you better promise me.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm taking a trip. For sure. I love traveling. I was just in Japan.

[Caleb Huron]

This is a really fun movie.

[Natalie Palamides]

Maybe he disappears people to the beach and he's like, listen, I don't want to, you know. You know, I don't want to make your life hard. It's just, you know, I have to show people I mean business and have a nice time.

[Caleb Huron]

He pulls them aside.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

He's like, hey, this is so not personal.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Like, you don't have to go home, but you can stay here. Like, we are going to send you to Barbados.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

And just, like, enjoy yourself.

[Natalie Palamides]

Have some plant. Fried plantain.

[Caleb Huron]

We're going to shave your head and post some pictures of you that look like you were in El Salvador. But don't worry, you're going to be fine.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, are they snapping pics?

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, they're doing so full social media, though. We have gotten to a level of fascism so quickly that it's almost hard to believe they are doing like. They're doing like, tiktoks of people, prisoners, heads being shaved, that have been convicted of no crimes. And the audio is like, na na na na, hey, hey, hey, goodbye. It's dystopian.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, my God. I live under a rock.

[Caleb Huron]

This shit makes its way to me. And then people wonder why I don't want to be on the thing.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

It's horrible.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

No, now I know rectangles are ruining.

[Natalie Palamides]

Our lives big time.

[Caleb Huron]

I know, because if no one was watching the rectangles, they wouldn't make the fucked up deportation videos.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know. I was just saying. Yeah. Our lives are so much more difficult because of these little boxes.

[Caleb Huron]

I know. That's just how it is now.

[Natalie Palamides]

Or is that like, so. Is that, like, so ignorant of me? Maybe it's like. Maybe it's ignorant. I'm like, it'd be so much easier if I didn't have to know about all the bad stuff. But, like, I'm just being realistic. What am I gonna do? What? Look at me. What am I gonna do about this? What am I gonna do about this issue? You think I'm gonna go head to head with this guy.

[Caleb Huron]

With Trump?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. I think if I speak out, anything's gonna happen. You think he's gonna care what I say? He's not gonna care.

[Caleb Huron]

Are we dumb? Are me and you dumb?

[Natalie Palamides]

Are we.

[Caleb Huron]

Are we dumb?

[Natalie Palamides]

I think.

[Caleb Huron]

Let's be honest.

[Natalie Palamides]

I think yes.

[Caleb Huron]

Has money changed you?

[Natalie Palamides]

I think yes. Twice over? Yes.

[Caleb Huron]

Twice over. Yes.

[Natalie Palamides]

Twice over. Yes. Dumb and dumb.

[Caleb Huron]

Dumb and changed by the Geico checks.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, big time.

[Caleb Huron]

I'd love to get in one of those. Would you tell him 100%. Would you tell him? I'd love to be in there?

[Natalie Palamides]

For sure. I could do what I'm Geico on the ph.

[Caleb Huron]

Hey, Geico. What can I help you with?

[Natalie Palamides]

Sorry, it's still ringing.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, ring, ring, ring, ring.

[Natalie Palamides]

They didn't pick up.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, I think you're getting a call. Oh, hi, this is Geico. We missed a call from you.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, hey, sorry. I didn't expect you to call back. Yo. Yeah, what's up to your podcast right now? So my friend actually was hoping to get in one of the spots. I wanted to see if.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Could get him in. Caleb Huron?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah. Could you pitch him? Are you certain that that's how you pronounce his last name?

[Natalie Palamides]

I was uncertain, but I still committed. I still said it.

[Caleb Huron]

Cool, cool. No worries.

[Natalie Palamides]

Can you pronounce. Can he pronounce your last name?

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, we don't know him. Could you tell me a little bit about him? Like just kind of pitch him to us and be glowing about it?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, I mean, he's one of the funniest comedians of our time. Even James Corden has says so. James Corden brings him up randomly in conversation at cafes. Is he sexy? Big time.

[Caleb Huron]

Is he sexy?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, he's got major sex appeal. People want him. He gives off, like, this effortless air of confidence.

[Caleb Huron]

Whoa.

[Natalie Palamides]

And you just instantly want to be his friend. Like, so likable, so enjoyable to be around. Handsome as hell.

[Caleb Huron]

Nice.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay. And I think just Overall, just a 10 out of 10 person.

[Caleb Huron]

Nice, Natalie. Well, it's always so good hearing from you and working.

[Natalie Palamides]

Except wait. Sorry. I think he has vision. Maybe some vision issues.

[Caleb Huron]

Vision issues?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, I don't know if you're gonna have to. He needs to wear contact for the spot if you choose to. But he is wearing. Yeah, he wears glasses.

[Caleb Huron]

Would the glasses work in the spot or no?

[Natalie Palamides]

Let me ask. So, yeah, so he's wearing glasses. Does that work for the look? No. Okay, great. It doesn't work for their look, Natalie.

[Caleb Huron]

We're Gonna get off the phone with you now. We love you so much. Okay, bye.

[Natalie Palamides]

Thank you. Love you too. Bye.

[Caleb Huron]

How did it go?

[Natalie Palamides]

So it was good. They really like you. They like, like the sound of you. I was kinda like, you know, I was like, am I talking to Caleb? Am I talking to them?

[Caleb Huron]

That was apparent. Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

But, yeah, no, it feels like you're in a good spot.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay.

[Natalie Palamides]

They're gonna think about, like, writing you in.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay. Just debriefing the exercise a little bit.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

I want to say my favorite part of our improv scene was probably when I answered your phone call and then you said, they're not picking up. That was textbook. Classic.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yes.

[Caleb Huron]

Ending.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right, right, right. Yeah. I studied at ucb, and so, yeah, I have good skills when it comes to any kind of improv. Long form, short form.

[Caleb Huron]

How did you. Were you doing improv before you did clown stuff?

[Natalie Palamides]

I was doing both simultaneously. I was introduced to clowning in university.

[Caleb Huron]

In university.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. So I guess technically I was doing clown first, but, yeah, when I moved out to la, I kind of was, like, hitting the ground running. Like, I wanted to be on SNL so badly, and I was like, I have to do ucb. I have to do Ground Lane. I have to do iOS. So I did all those things, like, all at once. And then as I was doing it, I was like, I kind of miss, like, the theatricality of the, you know, clown stuff I used to do in college. And then I was on set of Pretty Little Liars doing background acting and, like, fades just kind of dipped in. I dropped my cough drop on the ground and I said, I'm still gonna eat this. And this girl laughed. And we got to talking, and she happened to be doing wardrobe on a Cirque du Soleil show. And we got to randomly talking about clown. I didn't even bring it up. She was just like, oh, yeah, there's clown. I'm working. He's starting classes. And I was like, no way. I was like, I love clown. And anyways, I signed up, and it's called the Idiot Workshop. Still going. Still going.

[Caleb Huron]

Who teaches that?

[Natalie Palamides]

His name is John Gilkey. It's his school, and he's like, famous Cirque du Soleil clown.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

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[Natalie Palamides]

And that's kind of how I got into the scene in la.

[Caleb Huron]

And now you think about leaving it all behind.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. For. For a geico. For Hollywood. I know that I'm like a skilled live performer and that's like, what I'm most known for, but I just got into it to get into the pictures.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, you wanted to be in the talkies.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I was doing this so somebody would put me in a movie. Hello.

[Caleb Huron]

Hello.

[Natalie Palamides]

What's going on? I don't need to do these plays anymore.

[Caleb Huron]

Ever heard of it?

[Natalie Palamides]

Put me in a movie. Can you give me a fucking part in a movie already?

[Caleb Huron]

And they're not doing it?

[Natalie Palamides]

No. Well, listen, can I tell you this? I don't know if I'm supposed to say this on the air, but years ago, when I got hit by this motorcycle.

[Caleb Huron]

Motorcycle.

[Natalie Palamides]

I got cast in this part in Seth Rogen movie the American Pickle. I was supposed to be his assistant, but my manager couldn't get me out of, like, my run that I was doing in London to do this movie. And I'm like, is he couldn't get.

[Caleb Huron]

You out of a run in London to do Seth's movie?

[Natalie Palamides]

I know. I'm like, is he the worst manager in the world?

[Caleb Huron]

You still have him?

[Natalie Palamides]

No, I. Fired.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, it's not looking good, right?

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm like, that was a. He was like, sorry. He's like, there'll be more. And I was thinking at the time, and you know, so, I mean, I was 20. You're. You're pretty young, aren't you?

[Caleb Huron]

I'm 30.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, okay. Okay. I was 28 at the time. Okay.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay.

[Natalie Palamides]

And so I feel like maybe I was really stupid, but I was just like, okay, like. But I should have fought for it and been like, no, you get me out of this.

[Caleb Huron]

Where was the run in London? At Soho.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, Soho.

[Caleb Huron]

What is the repercussion of canceling on Soho?

[Natalie Palamides]

I know.

[Caleb Huron]

All love to Soho.

[Natalie Palamides]

And then all love to soho. But like, then that day I was supposed to be filming, I got hit by a motorcycle and had to cancel the show anyway.

[Caleb Huron]

And guess what? It worked out.

[Natalie Palamides]

And guess what? It worked out.

[Caleb Huron]

We were able to cancel for motorcycle. We could have canceled for Seth.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know. And I'm like, what the heck? So, Seth, if you're listening, listen, I wanted to do it.

[Caleb Huron]

Seth listens.

[Natalie Palamides]

Does he?

[Caleb Huron]

Seth. Seth. Oh, Seth's a loyal listener. Seth, I know you're listening.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Natalie wanted to do American Pickwick. They shot that in Pittsburgh.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, this is so cool.

[Natalie Palamides]

It was perfect. I know. It was crazy. And then the day that I was supposed to shoot, I got hit by a motorcycle.

[Caleb Huron]

This is unbelievable.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Anyways, isn't that. That's crazy, right?

[Caleb Huron]

Do you know what I keep thinking what I do? My career is going okay.

[Natalie Palamides]

It's going great.

[Caleb Huron]

But I know a lot of producers that aren't putting me in their stuff.

[Natalie Palamides]

What the fuck?

[Caleb Huron]

I'm going to lunch and dinner with the. And they're my friends, but I'm going to lunch and dinner. They're going, God, you're so funny. I'm going. You have three projects on TV right now.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

What do you think about. What do you think about me playing guy number two?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. I mean, seriously, in two episodes, slip them in, right?

[Caleb Huron]

I'm saying, can we put Natalie and Caleb in some projects?

[Natalie Palamides]

Let's fucking. I saw you in a couple films.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm in a couple.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

But I'm just looking at some of these people I hang out with. I'm going, you're a big time Hollywood producer.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Caleb Huron]

You're not gonna offer me a small part?

[Natalie Palamides]

I mean, give me an under five already.

[Caleb Huron]

Come on. Make me a fractional. Make me a 3, 10 regular.

[Natalie Palamides]

Get me on the set. Yeah, get me on the set.

[Caleb Huron]

Come on.

[Natalie Palamides]

Anyways, that was my big. I feel like that in my mind, I'm like. That was like a moment where I, like, fucked up, where I'm like, well.

[Caleb Huron]

There'S no such thing. Don't you think?

[Natalie Palamides]

I don't know.

[Caleb Huron]

You were supposed to get hit by that motorcycle.

[Natalie Palamides]

You think so?

[Caleb Huron]

You were.

[Natalie Palamides]

What if I was in this movie with, you know, this big time movie star guy and then I just was a lister from there.

[Caleb Huron]

Seth is wonderful. I love Seth. I would do anything with Seth. Seth, I love you. I would do anything with you.

[Natalie Palamides]

Thanks for listening.

[Caleb Huron]

Thank you for listening to every episode and texting me about it. I really appreciate that. Yeah, the episodes come out at midnight.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm glad he's gonna hear this.

[Caleb Huron]

At 1:33am and he's on it. He texts me every night and says, just finish the episod episode.

[Natalie Palamides]

And it was.

[Caleb Huron]

I love it. You're so funny. Your guests are so great. And so he'll do that with this one. But, Seth, I just want to say to you, Natalie, being in that movie with Seth.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Would have done maybe a couple things for you.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Having the motorcycle story to tell on this podcast.

[Natalie Palamides]

You're right.

[Caleb Huron]

I just. I think it's like we look at the scales and it's like, which.

[Natalie Palamides]

Which one the motorcycle one outweighs?

[Caleb Huron]

Motorcycle story on so true is going to do a lot. Mark my words.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm marking it.

[Caleb Huron]

Mark my words.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay. I'm left handed. I don't know why. When I write in my notepad. The wrong kind of. The wrong.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, Go ahead, write it down. Write it down for me.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Thank you.

[Natalie Palamides]

What else did you tell me earlier.

[Caleb Huron]

To watch Perfect Days by Vim Benders.

[Natalie Palamides]

Perfect days.

[Caleb Huron]

You wrote it down then, too, so why would it not still be in there?

[Natalie Palamides]

You're right. It was.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, different page. Huh?

[Natalie Palamides]

Different page. Oh, there it is. Is that. Oh, my God. Thank God. I thought that was wine for a second. I know.

[Caleb Huron]

Do you kind of wish.

[Natalie Palamides]

I kind of wish.

[Caleb Huron]

Do you kind of wish I was downing wine while I was talking to you?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Or grape juice. I was like, okay.

[Caleb Huron]

Sparkling grape juice.

[Natalie Palamides]

I love a grape.

[Caleb Huron]

I bust one out. We should start popping a bottle of sparkling grape juice on every episode.

[Natalie Palamides]

Let's pop it. The champagne. Let's.

[Caleb Huron]

You ever popped a bottle of champagne?

[Natalie Palamides]

Big time. Of course. Popping it in the ceiling.

[Caleb Huron]

It's humiliating.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm making holes. What are you talking about?

[Caleb Huron]

I always take too long.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh.

[Caleb Huron]

I did it at a work event recently and I truly. Everyone's like, you got it. You got it. And I'm like. I'm like.

[Natalie Palamides]

It's because it feels that it can sense that you are scared of it. You have to just dominate that thing.

[Caleb Huron]

Nice.

[Natalie Palamides]

You know how to work those?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Come on.

[Caleb Huron]

Nice.

[Natalie Palamides]

That's what I'm talking about. Come on, brother.

[Caleb Huron]

Come on, brother.

[Natalie Palamides]

Let's go.

[Caleb Huron]

Hey, you want to do a V Voicemail.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, let's do a voicemail. Yeah, sure.

[Caleb Huron]

Put on your little headphones.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay.

[Caleb Huron]

Natalie, I'm just loving having you here. I never want you to leave.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know. Can I stay?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Be here till the end of day.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, these are. I forget how nice these are.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. It's Katie, I want to know if you think it's true that we're living in a simulation. I. Not sure. Did you pick this voicemail? I'm curious what you think. I'm kind of thinking we might be. What should we do if we are in a simulation getting ice?

[Caleb Huron]

Natalie, what do you think?

[Natalie Palamides]

Well, I think the first move is obviously to do what you did and get a dumb phone.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah. Get us out of the simulation. Do you think we're in one? Be real.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay, listen. This is something I think about. I think about. Listen, I listen. I always tell myself on podcasts, you gotta be wary of what you say. Cause people are gonna think you're crazy if they know what you actually think about. I think about a lot of conspiracy theory stuff.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Big time.

[Caleb Huron]

Which one are you rocking with right now?

[Natalie Palamides]

Well, 5G stuff. Oh, Natalie, listen, you've seen the Aries necklaces, those things that protect you from the 5G.

[Caleb Huron]

I can tell you right now that you're seeing different things than I'm seeing. I tell you that right away.

[Natalie Palamides]

They advertised me on Instagram, but they're getting me, man. Like, I'm about to get one to protect me from all the 5G. But we should answer this girl first.

[Caleb Huron]

Well, I think I might need to hear. You're getting a necklace to protect you from 5G.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yes, because all the electric magnetic fields, they're microwaving our brains.

[Caleb Huron]

Someone's scamming you.

[Natalie Palamides]

But I'm like, who? Who are we to know? Maybe that is happening. Maybe that is happening. We wouldn't know if it was. Yeah, we wouldn't know.

[Caleb Huron]

I kind of don't care if you believe that as long as you land on my side politically, you know what I mean?

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, for sure.

[Caleb Huron]

Like, if someone's like, 5G towers are real. But I voted for the person you wanted. I'm like, rock on.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. You can count on me.

[Caleb Huron]

Good. Thank you.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. For.

[Caleb Huron]

Do you really think 5G cooking our brains?

[Natalie Palamides]

Well, I'm just like, what if it is? You know? Like, I don't think it's necessarily 100% true, but it could be true. And then if it is true, shouldn't I just wear this necklace to protect myself?

[Caleb Huron]

You know, I think me and conspiracy theorists, what differs about us is that they what if kicks a bunch of things off for them. And what if is where I finish. Oh, they go, what if 911 was playing.

[Natalie Palamides]

I go, get off on that. Finish big time on that.

[Caleb Huron]

I finish on that.

[Natalie Palamides]

You're like.

[Caleb Huron]

And they Go, what if. And I start coming everywhere.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

All over the place.

[Natalie Palamides]

You're like, I finished.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah. I'm fucking shooting yarn.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

All over the place.

[Natalie Palamides]

Silly String.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm blasting strings.

[Natalie Palamides]

Nice. I wish I could do that. I'm, like, going into my clown friends mouths. Yeah, but with sushi.

[Caleb Huron]

But with sushi. No, I just think, what if? I don't care. What if the 5G towers aren't cooking our brain? We're all gonna die regardless.

[Natalie Palamides]

Because. Well, listen, I've struggled with a lot of. This is another overshare, like, health, autoimmune stuff. So it got me. Whenever I started struggling with a mystery illness. About eight years ago, the Western medical system failed me. And so it sent me on this rabbit hole of alternative medicine discovery. And I met a lot of weird people who are conspiracy theorists. Like, this one guy makes ozone Ma in Topanga in the woods. And I started going to see him. He practices medicine without a license and shoots me up, like, with ozone in my vein. Which a lot of people are gonna be like, dad is not safe. Blah, blah, blah. I've done it a million times. I'm still sitting here. But my friend called the FBI on him.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wanna say I have rarely found myself in the position of being glad that the FBI was called. But I think your ozone provider in the woods of Topanga. I'd like to see him, chat with the agents.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know. I would love to see that, too.

[Caleb Huron]

I'd like to see Agent Starling kick in his door. For sure.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

What are you talking about? He gives you shots of ozone. Are you doing drugs with this man?

[Natalie Palamides]

Just ozone. Just ozone therapy. And coffee enema. Coffee enema?

[Caleb Huron]

He's giving you coffee enemas?

[Natalie Palamides]

Well, he doesn't give them to me, but he makes, like, contraptions.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm sure he does that.

[Natalie Palamides]

Allow you to, you know, do the coffee enema. It's a glass jug with, like, a basketball pump on it. So you fill up the jug with the coffee and it's. See, everyone's gonna. This is. I'm so. I always tell myself, don't say this stuff, because everybody's gonna think. Everybody's gonna think that girl's crazy. You know? And it's like. I know. It's like it's crazy. It is. When I'm looking in from the outside, I'm like, that girl's crazy.

[Caleb Huron]

Who. I'm just like. I'm just worried about you a little bit, obviously, because I'm like, what are in the ozone? Shots.

[Natalie Palamides]

It's just ozone pure.

[Caleb Huron]

What does that mean? What does that mean?

[Natalie Palamides]

It's pure ozone gas.

[Caleb Huron]

What?

[Natalie Palamides]

So he has an ozone machine? He fills up?

[Caleb Huron]

Am I dumb or am I losing my mind? What do you mean?

[Natalie Palamides]

It's the gas that covers the this.

[Caleb Huron]

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[Natalie Palamides]

It's O3. So it's made of three oxygen molecules, and you have to make it in a machine. You put oxygen. You attach oxygen to a machine, and it, like, sends it through this electromagnetic thing that supercharges the oxygen and it creates ozone. I don't know exactly how it works. I'm sure somebody's gonna say this. Okay, thank you for your info. And so he fills up like a vial with. What are these things called? A syringe.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

With the ozone gas. And as long as it's pure ozone and it doesn't have any nitrogen in it, it's totally safe to put it in your body as long as there's no air bubbles or anything like that. Because that'll kill you, because you'll die. You have an embolism and die. Yeah, listen, I haven't done it in over a year. Does that make you feel better?

[Caleb Huron]

You're clean. You're clean on those lines.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't have any more track mark, so ozone, like, you can get it done, like, at a doctor's office. But I was just going to this guy in the woods because I was like, I lost God a little bit. You know what I mean? I, like, lost faith in the medical system because I was feeling so sick, and this was the only thing that was helping me.

[Caleb Huron]

That makes total sense to you, by the way. There's nothing weird about the Western medicine not helping you with something. And when you feel sick and then you starting to go, what else is out there? Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Okay, okay, okay. Well, I'm glad we got there.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

But.

[Caleb Huron]

Well, I don't know if we're there, because I still have a lot of questions about this man you're seeing in the woods.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. But back to the simulation thing, and we can talk about this guy all you want, but it's funny, as she mentions. Are you living in a simulation? Because I had an epiphany a couple months ago where I realized, are the game makers having us play Sims? Like, have they made sims for us to play? Because that's essentially how they're playing us. And if so, is the cheat code to our lives? Rosebud, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. Like, should I just be meditating saying, rosebud, exclamation point, exclamation point, and get all the monies that I want? In Sims, if you say Rosebud, if you put in the cheat code, rosebud, exclamation point, as many exclamation points as you want, that's how much money you get. And it just fills up your bank account with cash with that cheat code.

[Caleb Huron]

Let's try it right now. Rosebud, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation.

[Natalie Palamides]

Point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, I think I'd be good with that amount.

[Natalie Palamides]

I think that's, like, at least 10k right there.

[Caleb Huron]

So you think we might be Sims operated by people that you're calling the game makers?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

That one I'm actually not. That I'm not off board with.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, okay.

[Caleb Huron]

That one I think I can actually rock with. Yeah, I don't see why not. Yeah, it wouldn't change anything for me. I still have to do my sim tasks.

[Natalie Palamides]

Exactly.

[Caleb Huron]

That would actually be comforting to me.

[Natalie Palamides]

And somebody's still playing you. Like, who do you think is playing you? They, like, design you.

[Caleb Huron]

A lot of gay guys. I'll tell you that much.

[Natalie Palamides]

The stuff they have you doing, I'll.

[Caleb Huron]

Tell you who's playing me, Natalie. A lot of gay men in New York City.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, I could take a page out of that book.

[Caleb Huron]

Hey. Whoa.

[Natalie Palamides]

I haven't gotten any action.

[Caleb Huron]

You're not getting laid?

[Natalie Palamides]

No, not really.

[Caleb Huron]

How do I find that? Impossible to believe.

[Natalie Palamides]

Somebody, please, somebody help me.

[Caleb Huron]

Help.

[Natalie Palamides]

Help. Somebody help. Help. No. It's been a minute. Like, I'm a nun at this point. I'm celibate.

[Caleb Huron]

I wanna know if someone from here.

[Natalie Palamides]

Not on purpose Office.

[Caleb Huron]

Will come in here if we yell help.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, help. Help. Actually, that's kind of scary that maybe we've been yelling help and nobody's come.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, no, it's definitely like a. It's our society.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, I think, like, this all points back to the phone.

[Caleb Huron]

It's society, man. They're probably out there scrolling Tic tac.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, big time. And also that's why I'm not getting any action, is. Cause everybody's scrolling Tic tac.

[Caleb Huron]

If they would get a dumb phone, your shit would be wrecked big time. You'd be getting run through 100%.

[Natalie Palamides]

It'd be the Titanic.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, yeah. Just split in half.

[Natalie Palamides]

Somebody iceberg. Yeah, they'd be iceberg in my ass out there. I wouldn't be able to walk down the street without getting an iceberg up my ass.

[Caleb Huron]

I don't. Where are you looking for, by the way? What are you into? Listen, is there a gender that you're rocking with?

[Natalie Palamides]

I skew hetero.

[Caleb Huron]

Fuck.

[Natalie Palamides]

But sometimes chick.

[Caleb Huron]

Nice.

[Natalie Palamides]

But it depends. I think I'm more attracted to people's personalities.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, I've met people like you.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. I forget what they call it.

[Caleb Huron]

I think they're calling it pan these days.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. I don't know. But I don't feel like it's fair for me to identify as something. Cause I haven't really. I'm kind of a loser.

[Caleb Huron]

What?

[Natalie Palamides]

Like, I've been celibate for over two years, so I feel like right now I can't really identify.

[Caleb Huron]

I think you're a Volcell, though. You're starting to.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, Volcell. I'm Volsel, for sure.

[Caleb Huron]

Cause there's people lining up.

[Natalie Palamides]

Somebody would.

[Caleb Huron]

People are tying.

[Natalie Palamides]

I could. But right now I'm banned from hinge.

[Caleb Huron]

What? What'd you do?

[Natalie Palamides]

Listen, I don't think I did anything wrong during COVID I made, like, a scary profile and.

[Caleb Huron]

What do you mean?

[Natalie Palamides]

Like, I was just kind of bored and I was annoyed with people, like, just swiping them, you know, whatever. They're like, just giving me the swipe. And I was like, you don't actually like me. You're just swiping. Like, people just swipe. They're like, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then you try to talk to them and they don't, you know, they don't say anything. And I'm like. So I was like, I wonder if I'll get maybe a more niche audience if I make a profile a little more specific. Like maybe somebody, you know, more with my sense of humor might like this kind of thing. Anyway, I don't know what I was doing. A social experiment, I guess. I changed my name to Nobody. And then I made the pictures. A dark picture of my eye, my tongue, my teeth. And I answered the Prompts in a sort of scary way.

[Caleb Huron]

Like what? Give an example.

[Natalie Palamides]

If it was like, how will I know if you and I will get along? I said, if you can shut your fucking mouth.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Hot. Kinda hot.

[Natalie Palamides]

Banned for that. Exactly. That would kill on field.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right. So it's like, you know, why am I banned for this? And then I wrote an appeal. Denied.

[Caleb Huron]

What else did you do on there? Was there anything more scary than that?

[Natalie Palamides]

That's it? No, nothing more scary.

[Caleb Huron]

I feel I almost don't believe you. Is that crazy?

[Natalie Palamides]

Please, you gotta believe me.

[Caleb Huron]

You didn't do anything else scary on there. Were you messaging people?

[Natalie Palamides]

Look, I'm so honest. Like, I told everybody here my coffee enema stuff.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, you did bring up the ozone shots. Okay. I trust you. I trust you. I'm sorry. That was up.

[Natalie Palamides]

Maybe people are gonna be like, she's trying too hard to be honest. She's hiding something.

[Caleb Huron]

Why you brought that idea up?

[Natalie Palamides]

That's because I'm honest.

[Caleb Huron]

What are you hiding?

[Natalie Palamides]

That crossed my mind.

[Caleb Huron]

Do you think you're hiding something?

[Natalie Palamides]

Absolutely not.

[Caleb Huron]

No.

[Natalie Palamides]

No.

[Caleb Huron]

Never in life.

[Natalie Palamides]

No. I wish I had more.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Like, I didn't want to say I'm celibate. Oh, my God, so embarrassing. And every time I say it on every podcast, I'm like, I need to get. But it's like. And then I watch it back because, you know, they use it for a clip or something. And I'm like, why did you say that?

[Caleb Huron]

You know, they use it for a clip or something.

[Natalie Palamides]

Always use for clips.

[Caleb Huron]

Well, we don't want to use a clip. You don't want. Do you want to. Do you want to give us a usable clip right now? Give us a clip. Give us a clip right now.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm getting laid 24 7. I'm just like, I'm turning people away.

[Caleb Huron]

Really?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

You're getting fucked all the time.

[Natalie Palamides]

Big time. And it's like, I'm tired. Like, leave me alone a little bit, you know?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

And maybe I don't want that for the clip.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay. Do you want to try another one?

[Natalie Palamides]

Let me think.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay.

[Natalie Palamides]

Like, what would be a good clip?

[Caleb Huron]

I could also queue you up for something. If there's, like, a way you want to come across.

[Natalie Palamides]

Team me up. Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

How do you want to come across?

[Natalie Palamides]

Like, somebody, like, chill, not desperate. Somebody, like, confident and fun to be around.

[Caleb Huron]

Natalie. Okay, you ready?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Natalie, I always see you in, like, a skimpy two piece at the beach, drinking Coronas with the boys in, like, a platonic way. Can you Speak on that.

[Natalie Palamides]

That's just how I am. I'm really confident in my own skin and my body, and I like to kick back that way on the weekends.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. And you also make a lot of money, but in an unpretentious way, right?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

You make like 2 or 3 billion a week or something.

[Natalie Palamides]

Exactly. And so much money that I don't really even like to think about it or talk about it.

[Caleb Huron]

You also put out, but only for, like, a guy who's really the right guy. Right. Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

I have to be in love with whoever it is. Yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

God, you're like the perfect girl.

[Natalie Palamides]

Thank you. Thank you so much. I. It's crossed my mind a lot, but I can't say it myself.

[Caleb Huron]

Cause you're so humble.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm really humble.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Then we'll cut the clip there.

[Natalie Palamides]

It's nice to hear somebody else say it.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah. That felt like a good one.

[Natalie Palamides]

That felt really good. Thank you so much. Do you want me to tee you up for anything?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, would you just. I wanna come across. Tee me up for a clip where I come across as like, a nice guy who's not afraid to go there.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh.

[Caleb Huron]

But is like a good, deep down good guy.

[Natalie Palamides]

Deep down good guy. But not afraid to go there.

[Caleb Huron]

Keep me up for that.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay. Okay. I'm not afraid to go there.

[Caleb Huron]

And also, someone who doesn't, like, currently kind of have the sniffles.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, you had the sniffles?

[Caleb Huron]

A little bit. But I don't want that to come across.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay. So. Okay, wait. Sorry, sorry. Okay, so you have a Tesla.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh.

[Natalie Palamides]

And you've been driving it all the time, but just because it's good for the environment, not because you support the company or anybody that is behind the company or anything like that.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

And you are taking a lot of supplements recently, I've heard, for your immune system.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Should I try again?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, I don't think that would work.

[Natalie Palamides]

You're not afraid to go there? You're not afraid.

[Caleb Huron]

I don't think me being a Tesla owner and a pill addict is gonna.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Put it over the top.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm trying to like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So we want to put out there that, like, you're in good health. And I'm just like. Ok. So I heard recently that, like, somebody saw you pumping iron at the gym, drinking a green juice.

[Caleb Huron]

That's humiliating.

[Natalie Palamides]

Last week.

[Caleb Huron]

But I do that all the time.

[Natalie Palamides]

You were also platforming at the gym and making a speech about the stock market and also something about El Salvador. Prison. Human rights.

[Caleb Huron]

Human rights. Human rights.

[Natalie Palamides]

Human rights, yeah. Yeah. You were platforming at the gym in the weight room about human rights.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah. Oh, that's so embarrassing. I ask people not to share that stuff about me. Cause I don't want the attention from it.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right.

[Caleb Huron]

But yeah, I guess I was doing my daily thing where I lift weights and drink green juice and platform. Human rights at the gym?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yes.

[Caleb Huron]

That's just something I do. Oh, that's just my mornings.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, so it's just part of your regular schedule?

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, I'm happy to do it. I mean, God, it's. Finding time to work out when you volunteer so much is hard.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right.

[Caleb Huron]

But I make it all work. And.

[Natalie Palamides]

And somebody said that you were giving out like, weights at the homeless shelter. They saw you.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

A couple weekends ago doing that.

[Caleb Huron]

Well, they deserve to lift too.

[Natalie Palamides]

Exactly.

[Caleb Huron]

Just because they're unhoused doesn't mean they should be fat.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you also brought a green juice truck to the shelter as well.

[Caleb Huron]

I give them green juice as well. Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Wow.

[Caleb Huron]

They're people to me.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, okay. Okay. That's a hot take. You weren't afraid to go there, were you?

[Caleb Huron]

Unfortunately, yeah. Unfortunately, it is a hot take. It should be everyone's take. But, like, just cause you're unhoused doesn't mean you shouldn't have green juice. And. What?

[Natalie Palamides]

Wow. Thank you for saying that.

[Caleb Huron]

I won't give them housing though.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right, Right.

[Caleb Huron]

It's too expensive.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay, okay. That's fair. Well, you know, you volunteer at the place that does give them housing, so. Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Wow. You weren't afraid to go there. That was a brave thing to admit.

[Caleb Huron]

I'll just go there sometimes. Do you have any controversial takes you want to go there on?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, I mean, maybe.

[Caleb Huron]

What's so true to you?

[Natalie Palamides]

What's so true to me? I feel like people are gonna be like, of course this girl thinks this, but I think we should be drinking raw milk.

[Caleb Huron]

What?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Natalie, it's really good for your immune system, and it just has a lot of benefits in it. And actually, people who are lactose intolerant have an easier time digesting it because it has naturally occurring lactase from the probiotic. The byproduct of the bacteria in it is lactase.

[Caleb Huron]

I can't tell. I'm gonna be honest with you. I can't tell if you're a genius and I'm an idiot sheep because what you're saying sounds really convincing. And I actually don't know enough about raw milk. I just know that a bunch of people I don't like are pro raw milk.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right, right.

[Caleb Huron]

And a bunch of people, I do, like, think that they're idiots. And so that's kind of where I've fallen in.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know. This is where I see it, but.

[Caleb Huron]

You'Re somebody, I'm like, who has small.

[Natalie Palamides]

This is where I feel so conflicted. Thank you, Caleb. This is why I'm so embarrassed to share, is because so many unlikable people are pro raw milk.

[Caleb Huron]

And the raw milk community has a likability problem.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know. And I don't wanna be conflated with them. And so I just feel like I'm at a crossroads here. Cause a lot of my education, from having my mystery illness, like, kind of dipped me into, like, this world of unlikable, like, weird people. But I kind of have, like, a soft spot in my heart for them because I see where they're coming from.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

And some of the info they gave me helped me through some tough times, you know? So. Yeah, it's like. So when they say shit about 5G and stuff, I'm like, yeah, maybe, maybe. You know, I think like, yeah, maybe. But then I'm thinking, like, all my friends who I think, like, are smart and are like, this is stuff, you know, I see what they're saying, too. Like, my friend who called the FBI on me, she. She is, like, on the total opposite side of the pond. You know what I mean? Like, she, my friend, FBI on me, is so funny. Shout out, Carrie. Poppy.

[Caleb Huron]

Shout out.

[Natalie Palamides]

I don't think she'd mind me saying, but, like, you know what I mean? Like, she's more in the camp of people, like, you're saying, like, who think, like, the raw milk people are stupid and stuff like that. But when you get down to the brass tacks of, like, this milk, it's a magic milk, dude. And it's fucking tasty as hell. It's so good and creamy.

[Caleb Huron]

Where are you even getting this?

[Natalie Palamides]

I should have brought you some. I should have freaking brought some. Isn't there an error one?

[Caleb Huron]

Does it make you sick?

[Natalie Palamides]

No, it. Well, you know, anything can make you sick, right?

[Caleb Huron]

Okay.

[Natalie Palamides]

If you get it.

[Caleb Huron]

Okay, now I kind of see where.

[Natalie Palamides]

You have to get it from. A farm that takes really good care of their cows and stuff like that. A lot of these farms that sell raw milk, they flash test it to make sure it's in good condition and it's not contaminated with any sort of toxins or bacteria or anything. So it's just easier for Lactose intolerant people to digest it because of the naturally occurring lactase. And it's beneficial to your immune system because there's probiotics in it, because, you know, what do babies drink when they first come out? Milk.

[Caleb Huron]

Right, right.

[Natalie Palamides]

And so it's the thing that baby cows use to, you know, kickstart their immune system.

[Caleb Huron]

What would you say to someone who says, but we're not cows.

[Natalie Palamides]

Exactly, that's what I was thinking. We're not cows. I would just say, like, well, that's true. Like, that is true. But, you know, there's also. But even though we're not cows, and it's primarily like, you know, created for the cow's immune system, we still reap some benefits from it.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

And I would also say, like, well, we're. You know, this is another thing. I'm gonna. Listen, I have a lot of vegan friends. I just wanna say. But I will also say, this is so true. Okay. We're at the top of the food chain, people. We're at the top of the food chain. That's why we eat cows.

[Caleb Huron]

Yes.

[Natalie Palamides]

Cause we're at the top.

[Caleb Huron]

Say that.

[Natalie Palamides]

And also, like, that's not really a reason for not eating cows. I guess that's another reason for not eating milk. Like, you're not a cow, so don't drink the cow's milk. But we're at the top of the food chain.

[Caleb Huron]

Speaking of the vegan thing, though, and being at the top of the food chain, do you ever have a woke lib moment where you go, total vegan brain? For example, there was a spider the other day that was crawling on the floor. I doubt he could have ever done anything to me. And I had an impulse to go and step on him.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, right.

[Caleb Huron]

Cause I didn't want him crawling around. If I fall asleep, he might crawl in my mouth or something.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Or what if he's poisonous and he does end up biting me?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

And then right when I went, I raised my foot over him. And then I said, if I was his size and he was mine, I would not want him to do that to me.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right.

[Caleb Huron]

And I had a moment where I thought, maybe I'm vegan.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, yeah, No, I have that with bugs. Like, I won't kill bugs or anything like that. I won't kill spiders. There was a huge spider nest, like, in my apartment, like, in this corner. There was just like, maybe like 50 spiders. I saw once when I. When I moved a chair. And I. Similarly to you, I was just like, I'm not gonna touch it.

[Caleb Huron]

I don't. That's not what I was saying. No, I think you should have probably. I'm not like. I'm not like kill those guys. But did you get them out of there?

[Natalie Palamides]

Well, I moved so that was. I was living in Venice and I recently moved to Eagle Rock. So that was in my place in Venice. Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

You got far away from those spiders.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, but pretty much every night when I was living there I had a bunch of spider bites when I woke up. But I was just like they live here. So I guess in a way I am like woke lib. That's the thing that I'm scared about people thinking I'm like, you know, like what's the opposite of wooklib?

[Caleb Huron]

A bad guy.

[Natalie Palamides]

A bad guy? Yeah. I don't want people to think I'm a bad guy cause I'm in a raw milk. But a lot of raw milk people are bad guys.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right.

[Caleb Huron]

I can't get over Venice to Eagle Rock.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, the move.

[Caleb Huron]

What changed in you?

[Natalie Palamides]

Well, I moved to Venice during COVID Cause I was like I love the beach and nothing's happening over here. And then I lived there for four years and I just got sick of driving back and forth for shows all the time and stuff.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah. Pretty simple as it turns out. Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, it turns out. Do you think I'm a bad person?

[Caleb Huron]

No, I really don't.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay.

[Caleb Huron]

I have some really tough questions for you about several topics. Yeah, I would love to meet some of the people that you're fraternizing with and suss them out myself.

[Natalie Palamides]

Listen, I have to like this guy from Topanga. You have to meet him. You would love him.

[Caleb Huron]

I think with supervision and in a public space.

[Natalie Palamides]

He makes his own currency called the Xeron. Let me see if I can find this.

[Caleb Huron]

Natalie, it's not helping. No find it. It's just not helping his case at all. Okay, what do you mean? What do you mean? He makes his own currency? Who's engaging in it with him?

[Natalie Palamides]

I think it's just like symbolic. He can't actually use it, obviously. Here's this eron. Okay.

[Caleb Huron]

Here's the zero Godzillian International Notes of Enthusiasm. I mean it's not. Not cool.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, yeah yeah. But if you read like the fine print, you'll like get into his head a little bit.

[Caleb Huron]

International bank of Enthusiasm. It's a symbol for the in between of all opposition. When you understand the blank. You know, it's never been about this or. Or that. It's been this and that from the get go, there's a zero or nothing on this side and a one or something on that side with every conceivable thing in between. But this is his. His currency, by the way, has like an essay on it. Between the banks of nothing and something, the river of everything flows. We are in that parse, actually, we are in that flow, and everything is there, and we are that. So if you know that you still want more, you're a moron. Don't worry, though, you're a moron. Lesson, maybe a series of lessons so you can get your groove on by understanding the value of Z rock.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right on.

[Caleb Huron]

Right on. And also, the thing about people that I think are crazy is every third or fourth sentence of their diatribe will hit like crazy.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right, Right. Wait, let me see if I can find the other side to it. Godzilla. Oh, here's the other side has Godzilla on it.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah, that makes sense. I figured it would. Oh, and a lot more text. Okay. I mean, you can't even really understand how small the text is. The extent that we impose our will on another is the gauge of our own enslavement. The Dominator model doesn't work. Never did. Those who engage in imposition are imposters attempting the impossible. I mean, he's not. Not cool.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm not letting him give me shots.

[Natalie Palamides]

Right, right, right, right.

[Caleb Huron]

Of any kind, for any reason.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, no, you wouldn't need to.

[Caleb Huron]

But I'd take a piece of his money and look at it.

[Natalie Palamides]

Sure, why not? I'll try to find one for you. Thank you. I'll bring it to New York for you.

[Caleb Huron]

That would mean the world to me.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, of course.

[Caleb Huron]

Are you pretty close to to giving your possessions to him and moving on to a plot of land that he owns or.

[Natalie Palamides]

I was at a point, like a low point, you know, that's pretty scary. I moved to Topanga during this low point because I was like. Yeah. Just so sick all the time. And this guy was helping me, and I just felt like I needed to be in the woods.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, well. But I had a cool birthday party there.

[Caleb Huron]

I believe it.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

I really believe it. Natalie, we have a segment for you.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, right.

[Caleb Huron]

The episode has been a lot about what's true and what's not true.

[Natalie Palamides]

Sure.

[Caleb Huron]

And we're gonna give you an opportun here to really show off your skills. This is a true or false segment.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Caleb Huron]

I'm going to read you 15 statements.

[Natalie Palamides]

Okay.

[Caleb Huron]

You're going to tell me as quickly as you can after each one. If you think what I just said is true or false, okay, if you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you $50.

[Natalie Palamides]

Wow.

[Caleb Huron]

Or maybe we'll pay you in Xerons. The LA Clippers are older than the LA Lakers.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

False. JWow from Jersey Shore is an Air Force veteran.

[Natalie Palamides]

False.

[Caleb Huron]

False. The hummingbird is the only bird that can fly backwards.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

True. True. Penguins can sweat.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

False. Coffee is a fruit.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

True. Indiana University of Pennsylvania's mascot is Norm, the Crimson Hawk.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

True. A group of jellyfish is called a smack.

[Natalie Palamides]

False.

[Caleb Huron]

True. CIA stands for Central Information Agency.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

False. Central Intelligence Agency. The Pittsburgh Steelers have won six Super Bowls.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

True. Samuel Beckett wrote the play Noises Off.

[Natalie Palamides]

False.

[Caleb Huron]

False. It was Michael Frane. Only 3% of the water on Earth is fresh water. That is true. There are 13 books in the original Magic School Bus series.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

True. Flamingos are born pink.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

False. They turn pink from eating shrimp. Bernie Sanders is older than the Fender guitar Company.

[Natalie Palamides]

False.

[Caleb Huron]

True. The original Nintendo Game Boy was powered by AAA batteries.

[Natalie Palamides]

True.

[Caleb Huron]

False. Double A. How'd she do?

[Natalie Palamides]

Is that bad?

[Caleb Huron]

Well, you just needed to get 10 to win the money.

[Natalie Palamides]

Oh.

[Caleb Huron]

Results.

[Natalie Palamides]

All right, cool.

[Caleb Huron]

But you're fine.

[Natalie Palamides]

Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

Natalie, we love you. Is there anything you want to tell the people before we end?

[Natalie Palamides]

I just want to say thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure to be here. And I swear I'm a good guy.

[Caleb Huron]

She's a good guy.

[Natalie Palamides]

I know that. Like, I believe in 5G. And maybe, like, it seems like maybe it might be harming the bees, but I'm not totally aligned with, like, most of the people that think that.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

If that makes sense.

[Caleb Huron]

You're on your own. You're on that.

[Natalie Palamides]

I'm on my own. Like. Yeah. I'm on my own playing field.

[Caleb Huron]

Yeah.

[Natalie Palamides]

And do you think we live in a simulation? What do you think? I feel like we didn't get really, like, hard answer.

[Caleb Huron]

I don't know. I think. No, I think. I don't care.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

I think I just don't care.

[Natalie Palamides]

I think ultimately, I don't think we.

[Caleb Huron]

Are, like, either way. If in the simulation I feel good when I do certain things and bad when I do others, and so that's going to remain true regardless.

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah.

[Caleb Huron]

I need to feel good more than I feel bad, whether I'm truly in control or not. Don't you think?

[Natalie Palamides]

Yeah, 100%. I think that's the way to live.

[Caleb Huron]

Well, you want to tell people where they can find you.

[Natalie Palamides]

You can find me on Instagram, Natalie Palamides. And I'm still on the other website. Sorry, Natalie.

[Caleb Huron]

We love you. Thanks for doing it.

[Natalie Palamides]

Thanks for having me.

[Caleb Huron]

Oh, so fun.

[Natalie Palamides]

That was a Headgum podcast. Hi, I'm Rachel Bilson. And I'm Olivia Allen.

[Caleb Huron]

And we host the podcast Broad Ideas. Yes. That's now on Headgum.

[Natalie Palamides]

On our show, we chat with people like Britney Snow, Lucy Hale, Kristen Bell, Margaret Cho, Jake Johnson, and so much more. And we talk about all the things you would talk about with your best friend, like your periods and mental illness.

[Caleb Huron]

And the food you ate for lunch.

[Natalie Palamides]

Most importantly, listen to Broad Ideas on.

[Caleb Huron]

Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you listen to your podcasts.