Rachel Sennott is Popping In

Summary

So True with Caleb Hearon: “Rachel Sennott is Popping In”

Podcast: So True with Caleb Hearon
Episode: Rachel Sennott is Popping In
Release Date: September 25, 2025
Host: Caleb Hearon
Guest: Rachel Sennott

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Episode Overview

This episode features comedian, writer, actor, and showrunner Rachel Sennott in a lively, freewheeling conversation with host Caleb Hearon. The two friends, both rising stars in the comedy and entertainment world, reminisce about bonding on a film set in Toronto, swap stories about life in LA, navigating the entertainment industry, car accidents, and the chaos (and beauty) of running a TV writers’ room. Rachel discusses her new HBO show “I Love LA,” the creative journey behind it, and lessons learned from showrunning for the first time.

The tone is candid, irreverent, and warm—marked by heartfelt admissions, silly bits, and earnest reflections on finding boundaries, surviving toxic relationships, and the comfort of female friendship.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Film Set Memories & Showbiz Realities

• Bonding in Toronto: Caleb and Rachel reminisce about shooting a film together in Toronto and how their friendship solidified (“It’s where I fell in love with you.” – Caleb, [01:48]).
• Expectations vs. Reality: They laugh about people expecting comedy from their movie “I Used to Be Funny” (formerly “Brooke and Sam”), only to find it devastatingly emotional ([02:06]–[02:44]).
• Behind-the-Scenes Stories: They describe “crying days” on set, and the unique experience of ensemble acting (Rachel: “There was, of course, the famous crying day.” [02:55]).

2. The Joy of 'Popping In' (and Out) on Sets

• Both agree that playing small roles or visiting sets briefly is the dream (“Popping in is the dream.” – Caleb, [06:59]) rather than doing exhausting long shoots.

3. Relocating & Life in Los Angeles

• Moving to LA: Caleb and Rachel share their experiences moving to LA during COVID. Both have funny and harrowing stories, including Rachel’s rental car disaster and run-ins with North Hollywood’s “pop-up” apartments ([11:24], [11:55]).
• Rachel on LA Culture: Describes being “a knit poncho girl” fantasizing about adopting small-town fashions, and grapples with the realities of living somewhere past the “honeymoon” period ([08:56]–[09:01]).

4. Rachel’s New HBO Show: I Love LA

• Title Origin: Named after the iconic Randy Newman song, which holds personal memories for both of them ([09:16]–[09:21]).
• Show Themes: Rachel discusses moving to LA for a sitcom gig and the reality of building a new life, with all its chaos and accidents ([10:20]–[13:24]).
• Car Accidents as LA Rite of Passage: Both swap stories about their various car accidents in LA. Rachel humorously admits to a high number: “Is yours north of 20?... No. No, no" ([13:47]–[13:55]).
  • Quote: “You’re a beautiful, sweet girl in LA who works in entertainment. They should have a subsidy for you, like, twice a year. Some network should pay for your car accident.” – Caleb ([16:01])

5. Interpersonal Mishaps and Female Empathy

• Rachel and Caleb tell stories about car accidents leading to emotional, almost cinematic connections with strangers (crying together after being hit, making dinner plans with people they crashed into).
  • Quote: “If only women and gay people got into conflict. Because when two women are crying, it’s like, no one’s at fault.” – Caleb ([25:42])

6. Rachel’s High School Theater Origins

• Caleb surprises Rachel with an old photo from her high school performance as Madame Thénardier in Les Mis.
• Rachel shares that wearing a corset in the show helped her “connect with [her] sexuality” and completely shifted her social life ([33:09]).

7. Showrunning: The Reality vs. the Myth

• Learning on the Job: Rachel, a first-time showrunner, describes the steep learning curve—Googling job titles, making it up as she goes, and borrowing phrases from more experienced showrunners ([44:10]–[45:54]).
• Writers Room Vulnerabilities: She discusses the terror and humility of pitching ideas out loud, and how crucial a collaborative, ego-free environment is ([36:40]–[40:27]).
  • Quote: “I feel like I’m running an insurance company sometimes…I literally would Google stuff and be like, what is this?” – Rachel ([44:18])
• The Joy of Collaboration: They celebrate the collective genius of writers’ rooms and the magic of hearing characters come to life through actors ([41:38]–[43:07]).

8. What's “So True” to Rachel?

• Necessary Toxic Relationships: Rachel believes everyone needs a toxic relationship or friendship to develop real boundaries.
  • Quote: “Everybody needs a toxic—in a fun way—relationship where they get dragged through the dirt. …If you don’t have that, maybe a really bad friendship to shape your personality.” – Rachel ([53:35])
• Growing Through Hard Times: Caleb and Rachel reflect on how, with enough “data” (life experience), people learn to handle hard times and recover more quickly.

9. Boundaries, Rules, and Learning to Break Them

• Rachel humorously lists her self-imposed rules (bone broth, meditation, weeknight restrictions) and notes how, with maturity, you can safely break your own boundaries, as long as you plan for the consequences (i.e., “milk nights” and accepting the consequences for your stomach) ([55:16]–[57:23]).

10. Game Segment: Rachel, True or False?

• Caleb quizzes Rachel on rapid-fire true-or-false questions, with a prize on the line. Rachel’s answers are energetic and comedic (“Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa” – Rachel, [60:17]).

11. Plans & The Reality of Friendship in Entertainment

• Rachel looks forward to moving, rekindling relationships, and “making good on promises” after the show’s production.
• Both reflect on how, as busy creators, they only get quality time by scheduling it as work—or a podcast ([64:49]–[64:56]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Popping in is the dream. I come in for two days. I’m a fucking delight. Then you leave.” – Caleb ([07:12])
• “You choose to live here all the time?” – Rachel, on visiting small towns ([08:08])
• “Is yours north of 20?” – Caleb to Rachel on car accidents ([13:54])
• “Why did you choose I Love LA for the title?” – Caleb ([10:17])
• “I cried. I literally stepped outside the parking garage in Long Beach and I was like—I was seeing colors again for the first time.” – Caleb, on getting vaccinated ([11:00])
• “I think it needs to be like—tested against something also.” – Rachel, on boundaries ([54:43])
• “Girls are going through a lot. We’re juggling a lot.” – Rachel ([26:52])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:30] – Reuniting and Toronto film set memories
• [05:22] – On wanting credit for background crying (film acting jokes)
• [06:58] – The Dream of “Popping In” on TV/Film shoots
• [09:02] – Discussion of Rachel’s New HBO Show, "I Love LA"
• [13:24] – Swap stories about car accidents in LA
• [17:00] – Improv show meet-cute crash story
• [21:15] – Rachel recounts being (lightly) hit by a car as a pedestrian
• [25:42] – The peace of all-women accidents: “When two women are crying, it’s like, no one’s at fault.”
• [33:09] – Rachel on Les Mis and discovering body/sexuality
• [36:40] – First-time showrunner, learning curve and writers’ room lessons
• [41:00] – What Rachel hopes "I Love LA" gives viewers (ritual, escape, fun)
• [53:35] – Rachel’s "So True": The necessity of toxic relationships and real boundaries
• [60:12] – True or False game segment
• [62:30] – Rachel on post-production life and reconnecting
• [64:49] – Final reflections on friendship and making time

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Tone & Style

The conversation is breezy, vulnerable, and frequently derails into bits, impressions, and self-deprecation. Caleb and Rachel blend industry-insider humor, heartfelt confessions, and relatable millennial spirals about adulting, therapy, and the LA lifestyle. Their exchanges are fast-paced, friendly, and always undercut by a sense of camaraderie and empathy.

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Final Thoughts

For listeners, this episode offers a hilarious and insightful window into life as a young creative in Hollywood. Whether you’re struggling with your own boundaries, dreaming of “popping in” on someone else’s fun, or just want to laugh about the trauma of car accidents and “milk nights,” Caleb and Rachel deliver—sharing lessons from both their successes and their (many) mishaps.
The anticipation for Rachel Sennott’s HBO show “I Love LA” is amped up by her candid, behind-the-scenes stories of learning on the fly, her affection for her cast, and her conviction that chaos (and female friendship) breeds the best kind of TV.

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For New Listeners

Jump in anywhere—this episode’s laugh-out-loud stories and thoughtful moments will resonate even if you’re new to the pod or to either comedian’s work. Caleb and Rachel’s chemistry is so fun and real, you’ll feel like you’re popping in on old friends.

Transcript

[A]

This is a Headgun podcast.

[B]

Anyways, at the end of it, he said, happy Valentine's Day. And I think so.

[A]

In what way?

[B]

Just in like, a. Like, happy Valentine's Day, I guess.

[A]

We are trying to cancel you this episode.

[B]

Okay, good, good.

[A]

I just think the show. You're getting too powerful, and we should.

[B]

Shut it down now.

[A]

Shut it down now. I'm asking people. I'm pulling skeletons out of your closet. I'm saying, let's cancel Rachel. Let's cancel Rachel.

[B]

Good. And I'll try to, like, come up with stuff, too, or say incriminating things about yourself. About myself, or just bad takes or things that people will really hate.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just to. Just. So that we have, like, a lot of options.

[A]

You would be surprised at how many people seem to be taking that approach on this show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How many people come on here and they say something and I'm like, I've never heard you say something like that.

[B]

Yeah. You're like, I've known you for 10 years. Years. And this you chose today. You're like, oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's how you feel.

[A]

I'm not gonna talk about who in specific, but there has been. Casey. What's up, brother? We got a problem.

[B]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna go through and try to see from clips.

[A]

No, you.

[B]

You also know when someone's like, this is gonna go viral. You know what I mean? Where you're like.

[A]

They're like, I've got something to say.

[B]

I have something to say. It's really crazy.

[A]

Smoking is good for babies or what? They just, like, do something so insane that you're like, got it. Yeah. Dude. How are you?

[B]

I'm good. I miss you so much.

[A]

No, we've been bad.

[B]

We've been. But we have. I feel like when you shoot a film in Toronto, you create a bond for the rest of your life.

[A]

Yeah. Well, something funny about the film that we shot in Toronto. It's where I fell in love with you.

[B]

It's where I fell in love with you.

[A]

That I said, I already liked this girl, but this is actually a soul sister of mine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when we made that movie, I didn't necessarily think about the fact that because at the time, it wasn't called I Used to be Funny, I don't think. And then I didn't think about the fact that Brooke.

[B]

Sam, by the way, famously, it was called Brooke and Sam.

[A]

Brooke and Sam back then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't think about the fact that with so many comedians in it, people were gonna think it Was a comedy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I get so many dms being like, hey, just watch your movie with Rachel Sinnett. She's amazing in it. Total star. I'm, like, very fucked up from it.

[B]

Yeah. No, people were like, so I'm really confused. I wanted, like, just like a fun plane watch. And now I feel sick.

[A]

How about devastating about the worst topic we have.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can I. Can I interest you in that?

[B]

Can I offer you that? Can I interest you in that? Can I offer you that? And then also when we did press, we were like, what was it like filming? Well, there were all these cute, like, places to go in Toronto. Nothing about. And then the content of the movie, it's like, okay, okay.

[A]

So that's actually deeply devastating to me.

[B]

Yeah. But I think that made our, like. I don't know. Cause then we had more fun. We were like, we have to have fun on set. There was, of course, the famous crying day.

[A]

Well, there was a. Do you want to tell this? Because obviously I come across kind of childish in it. No. What's a bad look for me? And I would love for you to tell it.

[B]

No, no, it was just. It was like I had to cry a lot.

[A]

It was a big day where you had to be. You're an incredible actor. And I think people who are watching this already know that about you. You're an unreal. Very, very talented actor in addition to being fun. It's, like, insane, actually. But you had to do this big crying day that was like, for any actor, it would be like. It's a feat. You have to, like, walk in.

[B]

You have to lock in you do. You sort of, like, choose your corner of the room and you sort of, like, sit. By the way, I think I'm better now. At that point I was, like, so stressed about, like, crying. And then I would, like, sit in the corner and, like, stare at a wall and, like, think about things. And then. So anyways, there's this really great photo of me, Caleb and Sabrina with me in the background, like this, trying to pull. Trying to pull on something.

[A]

Me and Sabrina. Truly. Like, there was the courthouse day where you had a big. Like, in this film, I used to be funny. Written, directed by Ally Panki. Genius, genius friend of the pod. But there was this. This scene where the courthouse was very emotional for you and for us too. But we're in the background, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Sabrina and I walk onto set, not reading the room at all. Sabrina walking on the set, like, bada ba da ba da. Who wants to fuck? Like, being insane. True In Rachel's just, like, trembling in the corner.

[B]

But it's also a lot to ask because I've been in scenes where it's like, you. Your character is in the scene, but you're not in this. It's not as demanding for you. And you're like, do we really have to, like. Do I have to cr, too? Just out of. You know what I mean? Out of support when, like, someone, especially in, like, an ensemble thing where you're like, you cry over there. I'm gonna do games on my phone. Like, I watch TikTok with the captions on you lock into your journey. But that was that there. That photo was amazing, dude.

[A]

There was one of the biggest. One of the biggest regrets I have from that movie is that they didn't choose. There was a. I'm behind you because the scene's about this. Shots about you. But I did get myself to cry during one of the announcements of that scene, and they didn't use the one where it was close to me while I was crying.

[B]

Yeah, you're like.

[A]

I was like, I got it. I got it.

[B]

I cried. I cried on that one.

[A]

And I. I'm not as. You're. You're so good and so locked in. Like, I would be terrified, by the way, if I had to do, like, your role in a movie like that and be so emotionally convincing. So for me in the background to get a tear, I was like, turn the camera, turn the camera, turn the camera.

[B]

Turn it.

[A]

Show that you can do it. Like, I was wanting it bad.

[B]

I know. I. Whenever you have a. Like a take where you're like, that was the one. And they're like, well, it's a wide. And we weren't. We were on your back. And I'm like, well, turn.

[A]

Always have one on my face.

[B]

Always have one on my face.

[A]

I don't care what you see in.

[B]

The background because you're gonna get it once.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, with me, you're getting it once.

[B]

You're getting it once.

[A]

I get so much FOMO seeing the. When I see anybody. Like, you've posted. You've been posting stuff from your show of you guys working on it, and I just get so excited because I'm like, oh, man, I would love to be hanging out over there right now.

[B]

I want to hang with those guys.

[A]

Yeah. Do I want to work for the 17 hour days that Rachel's probably working right now? No. But I do want to go over there and hang out a little bit.

[B]

I want to pop in for like six Hours.

[A]

I want to bring coffee.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll be like, yoo hoo.

[B]

You.

[A]

All right, I'll leave y' all to it.

[B]

Good luck, you guys. Good luck.

[A]

That's like my favorite.

[B]

Just when it gets unfun, I'm like, okay. Good luck with the rest of the day. Yeah, I'm going.

[A]

You guys have fun. I love it. And then everyone's just like, God, it was nice that Caleb dropped by.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's like my dream.

[B]

The other thing that's amazing is like when you're like a sleep small role in something or like you're not like a cameo, but when you get to like be a part of a shoot but you leave before the shoot gets hard.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then everyone's like, oh, remember when Rachel was here and it was so fun. But it has nothing to do with. It's just that you're there earlier in the shoot for a less amount of time. So it's like people didn't really get to know me and like have my personality grade on them gradually over the course of a couple of months, which.

[A]

Doesn'T happen with you. But.

[B]

Yeah, but you know what I mean. It's like you pop in, you pop out. You're like, that's all. That's all.

[A]

It's a dream to pop in.

[B]

I love to pop in.

[A]

Popping in is the dream. Yeah, popping in is the dream. I really. That was what I did a thing in overcompensating where I was in it for like two scenes. By the way, mind you, one of them got cut and shout out to Benny. Benny. But I'm truly. Popping in is the dream. I was like, they've all been there forever. Yeah, they're exhausted. I come in for two days. I'm a fucking delight.

[B]

You're a delight.

[A]

Leave.

[B]

Then you leave and you get to like. I also. It's like I can find a fabulous establishment anywhere for two days. Like, do you know what I mean? You go to the one restaurant, you go to the one coffee shop. But when you're there for three months, you're like, they. All they have is this one type of food or this one place. But if you're there for a second, you're like, I want to sample their Cheesecake Factory or whatever their like, whatever their like diner. What? Like, I feel like every state has like some random fact thing or restaurant that you're like, I'm going to pop into this and like experience this.

[A]

The first I. I 100% identify with what you're saying. The first two days in any place.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You're like, I get why people live here.

[B]

I envision my whole life there.

[A]

And then week six in Wilmington. You're like, someone must kill me.

[B]

Someone must kill me.

[A]

I have nothing to eat. I've run out of stuff.

[B]

I've run out of stuff. You also. You want to tell the residents of the town. You're like. You choose to live here all the time.

[A]

Why did you. Why are you going to the same. There's only one museum here, and it's kind of a joke.

[B]

And I've been three times, and I've.

[A]

Been a bunch, and I don't know how you keep going.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're like, we don't go. And I'm like, okay, okay. So have a family. Okay.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

I need to look into that. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, the school system is really good here. Okay.

[A]

Got it. Different priorities.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

You're not me.

[B]

But then if I'm there for two days, I do fantasize about living in a town also. Like, I can really get behind. Like, do you know how in, like, random towns, there's sort of, like, fashion for that town?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, you walk by a store and it's like, knit ponchos. I'm like, I need six of those.

[A]

I'm a knit poncho girl.

[B]

I'm a knit poncho girl. I live in this random town in, like, upstate New York, and I go to their one bakery. Like, that's the fantasy.

[A]

It's the knit poncho essence. And I'm leading the charge.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Yeah. I'm moving to Beacon. I'm getting up there.

[B]

Done.

[A]

Well, okay. I have to ask you. I want to ask you about the show. What can you tell me about it? Can you tell me what it's about? Can you tell me who's in it? Can you tell me what you're loving and hating?

[B]

I can tell you the title because we just said it.

[A]

I know. I'm so excited.

[B]

It's called I love la.

[A]

I love la.

[B]

I love la.

[A]

That song bangs, by the way.

[B]

That song fucking bangs.

[A]

I listened to it when we were moving out here from Chicago, like, a bunch of our friends. That was like, a big joke because we were playing that for weeks, being.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Get into it.

[B]

Get into it. We love it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel like it's. It's also, like, layered because when. When you first moved here, did you love it right away? Like, what was your journey with when you moved here?

[A]

I actually did. I mean, I don't live here anymore, but, like, I moved here during COVID It was such a funny thing where, like, everything was shut down. No one was on the freeways. So I was just like, every day for fun. Me and Chance and Shelby and a couple other buddies who had moved here around the same time, we were just. The only thing we could do is like, COVID test, get in the car, drive around together with the windows down, listen to music. And so I was just driving around LA being like, this place is gorgeous.

[B]

Yeah. There's no traffic.

[A]

There's no traffic. And that's how I got to know, like, driving around la.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then. Yeah. The second thing started coming back. It just felt like. It felt like we were in the most special place on earth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I do feel that LA is like, such a beautiful, special city.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that is the show. Why did you choose I Love LA for the title?

[B]

I think, like, it was because I moved here also during COVID but I had a. And by the way, the memory of. All there was to do was take Covid tests that took up so much time of our life.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I took, like, so many different. I did, like, spit in a jar. Fill the whole jar with your spit. Nose swab, like, mouth temperature cone thing. It was really, mind you, I got.

[A]

The vaccine from two soldiers in a parking garage in Long Beach. Like, it was a scary time.

[B]

It was scary.

[A]

And I cried. I was scared.

[B]

When you got the vaccine?

[A]

When I got the vaccine, I cried. I literally stepped outside the parking garage in Long beach and I was like. I was like, seeing colors again for the first time.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

They're like, stay here for a little bit. You might pass out. I was like, I don't care.

[B]

I don't care.

[A]

I would love to die at this parking garage.

[B]

I would love to with these two soldiers. It's crazy.

[A]

National Guards people are like, okay, lift your sleeve. I was like, yes, sir. Like, I was scared, but I was ready.

[B]

Yeah, totally. I feel like I came here to be on a sitcom and. And I didn't really know it was a sitcom when I. When I. When I did it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I, like, auditioned for it before COVID and then I just got the pilot, but then they picked up the show. But I was like. I didn't realize. It was, like, honesty. I was so confused. I didn't know anything. And I, like, crashed my car, like, one week into being in la, my rental car. It was a disaster. And there were really bad fires. And I was living in North Hollywood.

[A]

Same. That is such a by the way, by the way, moving to North Hollywood is a rite of passage.

[B]

You have to. You have to, you have to. I was, like, in. Do you know how they, like, pop up those, like, buildings that are like. This used to be a parking garage. Now it's a parking garage with three apartments over it. Yeah, that was, like, where I was staying. And I remember I, like, got out of my car, like, out of my Uber, out of the airport, and I walked up to the building, and there was human shit, like. Like a huge amount of human shit.

[A]

I love L. A. I love L.

[B]

A. I love L. A. It was, like. It was just a steaming pile of shit, like, right outside the door. And the sky was, like, brown from the fires. And I was, like, fabulous.

[A]

Okay. My dream has come true.

[B]

And so I think, like, it took me. I think it's, like, a little bit the perspective of, like, moving from a different coast and, like, figuring it out, but then, like, loving so much about it. But, yeah, that was that also, like, I'm not a good driver. Like, I have gotten into so many car. How many car accidents have you gotten?

[A]

Oh, God, probably.

[B]

I want to know what a normal amount is before I say a lot.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. Before I say my number.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're doing body count. What's your number? I'll do, like, three. Less than that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

God, I don't know. I guess maybe. I'm trying to think. I think. I think three. I think three. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Ever or in our life. A total of life.

[A]

A total of life.

[B]

Really?

[A]

And one was a deer in high school. Okay, so is that making you feel really bad? Because I don't want to make you feel bad.

[B]

I want to say some of my car accidents. I'm calling them car accidents, are like, little scratches or scrapes, like, in a parking garage. I have.

[A]

I'll go to five, then. I'll go to five.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'll go to five on that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

If it's hit. If it's hitting something in a parking garage, I can go to five.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

Yours is. Is yours north of 20?

[B]

No. No, no.

[A]

Well, just the way you're responding. I'm, like, scared for you.

[B]

But it's like, each one is, like, you know, is. Is one. You know, I got my most. You know, like, my most recent car accident was on Valentine's Day.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was a disaster. And the thing that I really struggle with is not immediately taking fault. To be fair, it was fully my fault. I changed lanes at a stoplight where no one was moving, and A car was coming, and I just. I checked, but I didn't. I have a hard time, like, guessing the speed of other cars and also, like, knowing how close other cars are to mine and then also how big my car is.

[A]

Yeah, those are some pretty important things. Yeah.

[B]

I get my license.

[A]

Each one is a one.

[B]

Yeah, each one of those. So I got, like. I got overwhelmed. So anyways, he. He crashed, basically. I went into the lane without warning from zero speed to fast speed, and he crashed into my car. And then he. We both got out of our cars, and then he was, like, mad at me. Totally fair. Totally, totally fair.

[A]

That's his, right? Yeah.

[B]

And I, like, immediately was like, I'm so sorry. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. Cause you're not supposed to do that. But it. I just was like, I know this is my fault. I totally know this is my fault. Anyways, at the end of it, he said, happy Valentine's Day. And I think in what way? Just in like a. Like, happy Valentine's Day. I guess it was, like, so okay.

[A]

Loving him, actually loving him.

[B]

He was actually really sweet. After I was. Said, sorry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then it was totally fine. No one was her. There was just damage to both cars that I had to pay for, which was ultimately not great. But it's okay.

[A]

It's okay.

[B]

It's okay. But that was. My most recent one was Valentine's Day, so it's actually been a while.

[A]

It's been a while. That's months ago, by the way.

[B]

I feel like we talked about this. It's like every six months, once you get in a car accident, you're safe for six months.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, totally. And also.

[B]

And then you get in another.

[A]

I just want to say to your defense, like, you're a beautiful, sweet girl in LA who works in entertainment. They should have, like, a subsidy for you, like, twice a year. Some network should pay for your car accident.

[B]

Yes, Like Warner Brothers pay for this. Just cover it.

[A]

She's a beautiful.

[B]

Driving to work stress.

[A]

She's making TV so that nurses can watch something when they get off shift. Like, pay for her car accidents, people.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

She's gonna merge without signaling?

[B]

Yes. I don't know.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

I don't know what to say. Sorry, I can't signal. I'm thinking of ideas.

[A]

Hello? She's breaking story creative. She's breaking stories. She has to merge without signaling.

[B]

Yeah, I can't.

[A]

We need a C runner now.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We need a C story runner now.

[B]

We can't. We can't be. Yeah.

[A]

I. One time in College. I hit a girl. Hold on. I was turning in my car, okay. And this girl, she was in the. Right. She was driving. I was turning. She hit my car.

[B]

Okay. She was in a car.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Girl was in car. I hit a car that contained a girl.

[B]

Okay, Totally. Already I'm on your side, right?

[A]

It's like the car contained a girl. I had no way of knowing that. I wouldn't, by the way, if I knew it was a girl in there, I never would have done.

[B]

Never would have.

[A]

But I turned in a way that forced her to hit me. It was totally my fault. We got out and I was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. And she was like, I actually come to your improv shows every week. And I was like, oh, my God, that's so sweet. Do you want to go to dinner? And then we went to dinner. And she was like, it's crazy how you made me hit you back there. I was like, I know, girl. And then we talked about life. And then I was like, I have an improv show tonight. Do you want to come? She's like, yeah, I was planning on going. I was like, okay, do you remember this? And she came. I believe her name was Becca.

[B]

Maybe Becca.

[A]

But she came to the improv show. And then I was like, hey, no pressure at all, but, like, do you think our parents could just, like, talk this out kind of buddy style without the insurance companies? And she was like, I'll ask my dad. And her dad was like, absolutely not. So I didn't have to pay for that. But you did.

[B]

The dad. Do you want to come to my improv show?

[A]

Yeah. I said, how do you feel about improv comedy, sir?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He said, I feel like, give me your insurance.

[B]

I feel like, yeah, give me that card right now.

[A]

Go ahead and call Geico. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But yeah, girls. Yeah, girls and entertainers. Like, I just think we deserve to merge.

[B]

Yeah, we just. We. We. We're thinking. We're juggling a lot.

[A]

We're juggling a lot. We have a lot going on. And it's like, people think being an entertainer is so easy, but you try thinking of a third act interesting scenario while signaling that you're gonna turn.

[B]

You can't. You can't. You can.

[A]

You could never.

[B]

No.

[A]

And nor can I.

[B]

Nor can I. I can't do it, by the way. I can't do it. I've never thought of a good idea, but I'm trying. But I'm in the car And I'm trying. I also. When you said I hit a girl, I've been hit by a car walking.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I'm okay. Obviously she's good, but I'm totally fine. It was on the Shakespeare Bridge in Los Feliz.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it's like. Do you know that intersection? It's sort of like three walkways.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But to cross, you're sort of asking minimum three, sometimes four cars not to drive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is really hard to do when you're in la is to ask a car not to drive.

[A]

Cars love to drive in la.

[B]

Cars love to drive in la. In New York, it's like, sort of like, good luck. But here it's like, you're asking a lot to.

[A]

Well, in New York, you just bang on the hood and you go. You know. But in la, you have to go.

[B]

Like, you're my mate.

[A]

Sorry. You know.

[B]

Even if it's a walk signal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So anyways, I'm walking, I'm on the phone with my friend Emma, and I'm like, whatever, complaining, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then a car turns and hits me, but, like, slowly. And it was like a low car. I don't know the name of any cars.

[A]

That's okay.

[B]

Except for, like, Truck.

[A]

Yeah, Truck. No. And that's one of the biggest types, by the way.

[B]

Yes. Like, in your defense, Truck is one of the main cars.

[A]

Truck is one of the main cars.

[B]

And thank God it wasn't a truck. It was like a low car. It was like a little car. Yeah, it was like a. It was like a business car.

[A]

It was like.

[B]

Yes. Like, I think of like someone who, like, goes to an office. That's kind of the car they drive. Yeah.

[A]

They have, like a small clutch.

[B]

Small clutch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Little purse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the front of it was long. If anyone knows what kind of car this is, let me know.

[A]

At the moment it sounds like an El Camino.

[B]

That's old.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But that's one of the types of cars.

[B]

One of the types of cars especially. It was like medium, new.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It felt like they bought it used, but good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyways, she hits me and I sort of fall onto the car. My phone gets knocked out of my hand, my water bottle, and then I fall on the ground.

[A]

Where. Okay, so can I just ask, when the car hits you? So if these are your legs and they have the knee joints.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Do you get hit like this and fall back onto the car or do you get hit from the side?

[B]

It's sort of like, I saw the car Coming. And I go. I go, whoa, whoa. Who. Hey. Hey, mister. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I literally was trying.

[A]

You're on one skate holding pizza boxes. Yeah.

[B]

It's like, does he. They can't hear you if they're making the turn. They can't see. You know what I mean? Like, it's like me saying, whoa. Was not gonna stop, but I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. And sort of turn towards the car. Really good. Survival on stakes. And so then I land kind of, like, on it, but then I fall back on the ground. Water bottle and phone out of my hand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then it's like, already. This is, like a packed intersection. Everybody, like, stops. There's, like, a couple walking their dog. I start to cry because I'm, like, scared or whatever because I got hit by a car.

[A]

I can't explain it, but I do start to cry randomly, to cry.

[B]

Embarrassing. And then the woman who hit me, she gets out of her car, she starts crying.

[A]

This is beautiful.

[B]

I would also do it.

[A]

This is, frankly, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

This is the Yaya sisterhood.

[B]

Yep. And she starts crying, and then everyone's sort of, like, looking. The wind's knocked out of me, but. And I'm like, have little scrapes, but I'm fine. I get up. I forget, by the way, that my friend is on the phone. So my friend Emma, they're, like, listening to this whole thing, and it's like, by the way, imagine me on the phone being like, Yeah, I think it's weird that they didn't reply to my. My email. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Car. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is so funny, like, bitching on the phone about something so unimportant. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Crash.

[A]

I don't get out of bed for less than 50.

[B]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Literally. And then the couple walking the dog, they, like, intervene in case, like, they're sort of trying to intervene between me and the woman that hit me. But me and the woman that hit me sort of connect immediately because she starts crying. She goes, this is so devastating. I'm on my way to a funeral.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And by the way, if she's lying. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

[B]

She goes, I'm on my way to a funeral, and I'm so sorry. This just reminded me how precious life is.

[A]

Well, and this is. You see what could happen if the world was only women. Do you see how a horrible theme immediately became, like, an interesting, beautiful musing on, like, our time here on Earth?

[B]

Yeah. We.

[A]

If it was a man, he would've been like, you dumb Brah. You know, it's like, why are you walking down?

[B]

Why you walking that way? What do you mean?

[A]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean?

[B]

And then the couple with the dog was sort of like, are you okay? To me, I was like, yes. And then to the woman, they were like, are you okay? And she was like, no. And then. Then she gets back in the car, drives away. I sort of pick up the phone and say to my friend Emma, like, don't worry, I'm not dead. Emma was like, that was crazy. And then it was fine, but it was sort of. It was almost awkward after we all realized, like, we were all fine. Cause then the couple was like, all right, we're just gonna walk. Do the rest of the walk with our dog. And the woman was like, I'm gonna go to the funeral.

[A]

Everyone's, like, embarrassed that they made a big deal.

[B]

Yeah, no, literally, I was like, I'm just gonna go home. It's all good. But that was my car hit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Your whoa, whoa, whoa reminds me of something I do. I bike in New York a lot. Many times on a bicycle in New York. Someone's about to hit me, and I'll just go, don't. I just yell, don't, don't. And then they usually don't. Yeah.

[B]

See, the thing is, though, is that I feel like a verbal warning is helpful, and it's also, like, an energy thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you go, don't. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, I'm gonna try don't. Next time, try don't.

[A]

Because it works.

[B]

Because Whoa, whoa, whoa. Sort of feels like, I can't believe this is happening versus, like, don't is like, stop right there. It's not gonna happen.

[A]

I had, like, Truly. A week ago, I was biking in Bushwick. A humiliating thing to have to say out loud because it's just like, of course you. You know what I mean? I was biking through Bushwick, and this woman. This woman, like, threw her door open and almost doored to death.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I, like, swerved, and I was like, God damn it. And then she gets out of the car, and she was a beautiful young woman, and she goes. She goes, I'm so sorry. I'm a huge fan. And I was like, not now. I was like, girl, that means the world to me. Not now.

[B]

But not now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You almost killed me.

[A]

No, but, truly, it was psychotic how quickly I turned up. She said that, and I was like. I was like, thank you for watching.

[B]

You're like, should we do a video? Do you Want me to say happy birthday to anyone?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like. I'm like, do you want a picture? Like, I immediately went into psycho mode. But it was. It was scary.

[B]

It was scary. But again, beautiful.

[A]

Beautiful. If only women and gay people got into conflict.

[B]

Peace.

[A]

Because when two women are crying, it's like, no one's at fault.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, when you got hit by that car, you were both women crying.

[B]

So everyone just agreed, like, it neutralized the situation. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

If. I think if a woman. I did actually. I let a woman hit me with her car one time. Hit my car with her car. That was. It was containing each of us. She rear ended me, and she got out and she was. She fucked up the back of my car, and this is when I was, like, very broke.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She fucked my car up and she got out and she was like, I'm so sorry. Like, my kids are in there, and, like, everybody's okay, but, like, I have no idea how I'm gonna pay for this, but, like, I'm gonna figure it out. And I was like, get out of here. I was like, go. I was like, go. She was like, no, we have to call someone. I was like, get out of here.

[B]

Get out.

[A]

And I let her go.

[B]

I'll let them take me. I was like, she's like, well, we can just leave.

[A]

She's like, no, we do get to make cut choice. I'm like, go. Before they get here.

[B]

Jail for the rest of my life. I don't care.

[A]

Go.

[B]

Go, honey, go.

[A]

You be free. I'm gonna take this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Truly, she left. And then, like, 10 minutes later, I was like, my neck hurts and my car's broken.

[B]

Yeah. You're like, hold on.

[A]

I was like, what did I just do? I was like, truly, my neck hurts and my car's up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was like, you know, she had other going on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Girls are going through a lot.

[B]

Girls are going through a lot. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[A]

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[B]

Kids in the car is rough.

[A]

Kids in the car is crazy. And it's like, of course my neck is a little fucked up, but your kids are in there.

[B]

Yeah. Hold on.

[A]

I want to show you something. Okay.

[B]

Okay. I'm scared.

[A]

Don't be scared. It's gonna be beautiful, I think.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. I just had to. Oh, gosh. It's just so tough because I don't want you to have to see all of it, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's just one little thing I want to show you, if that's okay.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So you. Well, I'll just. I'll just show you. Oh, can we show it on the screen, Chance? Yes. Well, I just want the image. I just want the image now. Rachel.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

This is an image from you. This is an image from you and Les Miserables. Les Miserables. I want to know how this informed where we are today, because here you are, this iconic actress with this incredible HBO show.

[B]

Wow. You really are trying to cancel me.

[A]

But it's her. You know it's her. Wait, is this bad?

[B]

No, it's not. It's just.

[A]

It's just because. By the way, we will cut this.

[B]

We will. No, no, it's just the. What's really. Let me explain.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

What's going on? Okay, so I am playing Madame Thenardier in my high school performance of Les Miserable, Les Miseroub. And this is sort of me in between full costume and makeup. This is. This is like a fitting photo. You know what I mean? So it's also. The plays would play run for two weekends in February, so it's the dead of winter. I've made the creative choice to wear a heads. I don't know what that is.

[A]

It looks just like a beanie. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[B]

It's like a scarf. It's like trying to be ski core or something. But it looks. It's confusing because you're sort of like, what's the costume? What's her?

[A]

What's her? What's the costume? Where does it end?

[B]

Yes. And what's crazy is that what's her. What's me is worse, is crazier than the costume, and the costume is crazy.

[A]

The costume's nuts, but beautiful.

[B]

Thank you to the designers. Jack Sullivan's mom, shout out. But the. Yes. There's a lot. There's a lot going on. I will say playing Madame Snardier and being in Les Mis. I'm not wearing it there, but I wore a corset, and it was the first time I connected with my boobs.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes. It was like. It was like. It was the first time I connected with my sexuality. I put that corset on, everyone treated me different. No, I was like. It changed my entire. Like, do you know those movies where it's like, we've been losers all of high school, and then we have one last shot to, like, blow them all away? That was me.

[A]

That was mad.

[B]

That was me being in Les Mis wearing a corset. Everything changed. It was like I was a loser. And then all of a sudden, I. By the way, I wasn't, like, cool. But then I had boobs, and it changed, like, everything. And different people started to talk to me. I also. In my mind, it was because I was good in the play. But looking back, I think it was just that I wore a corset.

[A]

We're all doing some version of that.

[B]

We're all doing some version of that. But that. That was like a. That was a big shift.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was it like a big. Was it like a big thing to get that role? Like, did you feel like, oh, my God, yes.

[B]

Because I was ensemble every other year.

[A]

Yeah. I didn't do theater. So I hear about these things, and I'm like, oh, my God. Getting a role Must have been like, whoa, huge.

[B]

Yeah, because it was like. It was like every. There was definitely like a hierarchy. There were people that were expected to be roles. There was the whole. The cast list, everyone running to it. All of that stuff.

[A]

Yeah. And was it a physical list that you would run to at your school? Okay, that fucking rocks.

[B]

And it was like they would post it on, like a Friday night, and so then people would drive back to school to see it and everyone would, like, run. But you didn't know what time he was gonna post it. So it's like you're waiting to see when it gets posted and then come and you look at it and, like. And then everyone gets mad over the weekend and people text about it and, like, make weird posts. It was.

[A]

Yeah, they should do that. They should create like a. They should create a billboard in LA that's like just all the casting directors send who got what. And your team isn't allowed to call you to tell you. You have to like, go. Just look up at the billboard.

[B]

You have to drive to the billboard.

[A]

Yeah, you have to drive to the billboard. And it's just like hundreds of actors being like, fuck.

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

And one guy being like, yeah.

[B]

And everyone hates that guy. And then if you do get it, you to, like, maintain some sort of dignity and be like, great, I'm really happy, and leave.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. In your car. Yeah, yeah. I think that'd actually be really good for the community, I think so. I think, like, let's stop doing all this in silence. Let's make the billboard.

[B]

No. Yeah. Let's bring the group chats into real life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's fight in front of the billboard.

[A]

Let's fight.

[B]

Let's have people fighting.

[A]

Let's have people fighting in the streets. Over the rolls, over the roles. I think it would be really, really interesting, actually. And I would like that. I think. Let's do it.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

So the show comes out in November.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And tell me about the cast.

[B]

Cast is fabulous. Love them all. We have Jordan Firstman, who you know, Odessa A. Zion. True Whitaker, Josh Hutcherson, Leighton Meester.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

We have some fun. I don't know how to call. There's. Do you know how? They're like, guest star, series regular. We have guest star. I don't know what. Which.

[A]

The terms mean something, but it's like, yeah, I know what you're trying. I know what you're saying. You have fun people popping in.

[B]

Fun people popping in. Quinn Blackwell, who's amazing. Moses Ingram, who's Amazing. Yeah. The whole cast, like, everyone. Everyone, I feel like, really blew me away with. Because when you're in the writers room, oh, my God. I have to talk to you about writers rooms because you've.

[A]

Get into it.

[B]

Let's get into it.

[A]

Let's get into it.

[B]

I never done one before.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I'm running one disaster. I'm literally like, there's so much thinking, and, like, there's so much, like, talking about thinking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And at the risk of sounding really stupid, but it's like, you have to, like, say your thoughts out loud to other people. Usually I'm keeping my thoughts in my head or I'm telling them to, like, one other person. All of a sudden, you have to defend your ideas to a room full of people.

[A]

It's truly, like, art by committee. It's like, I'm giving my thought, and everyone's sounding off on if it's good or not. It's horrifying.

[B]

It's horrifying. And, like, so anyways, you get so into the headiness of it. And Claire, we talked about this a lot where it's like, when you're only in script, you get to a point where you're like, is this even real? Are any of these people even real? Like, who is Maya? Okay. Like, she's made up. This is fake. And then, like, you. You bring in actors, and they, like, add their sauce to it. And I feel like all of the actors who are on the show, like, every one of them were, would just bring something so funny and unique and real and honest to the characters. Or sometimes, like, also, you write a joke that sounds like too much like a joke. Like, this is something that I think you're really brilliant at, which is, like, you can play anytime you're doing comedy. There's such truth to it, and it's backed up by this emotional honesty. And I think that that's something that's so special because anytime you have someone who's, like, doing a joke, when they're, like, I'm doing the joke, it feels like. It feels like when someone's, like, trying to make you come, and they're like, you're coming. You're coming. Like, do you know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. They're doing too much.

[B]

Yes, too much. And it feels like. It just feels, like, weird. And anyways, you have this. And I feel like the actors on the show had this where it's like they just live in it and breathe in it, and it allows it to play so much more. And, like. Like, Anytime I would hear that, like, we did table reads for all the scripts, and then I would, like, hear them read it out loud, and I would, like, breathe a sigh of relief because I would be like, okay, okay, this sounds, like, real. This sounds like people talking, as opposed to, like. Like, I hate when you can, like, hear the people on the typewriter being like, ha, ha, ha. This is funny. Like, you know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You.

[A]

You don't. You hate when. And we all do it sometimes. I do it in my own writing a lot, where you hear it read back to you or you hear it on its feet and you go, oh, it feels like I was trying to be clever.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I don't even know if I was, but that's just how it's. It's. It's reading in the room, you know?

[B]

And I'm not even trying to be clever. I'm just trying to write a sentence. But it's like, which is hard enough. I'm getting in a car crash every six months trying to write one sentence.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's like, yeah. And then there. There is also the joy of, like. Like, working with other writers, and they all have, like, better ideas than you. And you're like, thank God. Thank God you guys are here. Because I think that that is the exciting part of the collective is, like, you get all these different ideas and perspectives and, like, stories, and I think it's fun. Like, even just, like, you and me going back and forth on our multiple car accidents for 10 minutes. Like, it's like one story sparked another story and whatever. And, like, that part was really fun for me. Getting to, like, hear everybody's different, like, just ideas and, like, things that have happened to them where it's like, oh, that's genius. I never experienced that. Like, I. I could never think of this idea on my own.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I mean, so many people are gonna watch the show, obviously, because of you and because of HBO and the. The incredible cast that you have put together. Like, what do you want? What do you want the show to do for people? Like, I think it. You know, shows do different things. Like, I think the. Like, when you watch Girls or Sex in the City or a lot of these shows that you're probably like, you know, I think they are in conversation with. Like, when people are thinking about your show, they're going like, oh, my God. These incredible shows that have informed our culture. They do different things for different people. They make you want to live in New York or they make you want to be in A psychotic relationship or they make you want to, like, whatever, Whatever. Like, what do you want the show to do for the people watching?

[B]

I want. Well, one thing that I would love is, like, I. When I was in college, like, I would watch with my roommate, like, HBO show Sunday nights, and it was like, we would make a huge thing of banana bread and then just, like, watch all the shows back to back to back. And I feel like there's something special about getting to, like, be a weekly show and sort of, like, create the anticipation and wait for something to drop. Like, I think I always, like, felt like I got to be a part of something when I was doing that. And I love, like, having something to gossip about that's like, like, not real, but feels real.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I got into the summer I turned pretty because I was like, I. I need my. What are my sisters texting about? I have to get into this. And I'm so into it. And now I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, Conrad. Like, oh, my God. But, like, I. You. It's fun to, like, get into something. So I think that. And then the show itself, like, I, I feel like I want people to have fun and feel like they're a part of the world of the show and, like, get to go on adventures with the cast. Like, I think, like, you know, drama happens. Of course drama happens in life. But I think, like, I recently have been, like, wanting to watch stuff that is, like, fun and, like, takes me to a place away from everything.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, like, for sure. And, like, escape and have fun. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's so cool that you guys are doing it weekly. That's so exciting. I mean, I, I, I'm really craving and missing that the, like, eventized.

[B]

Like, yes. No.

[A]

We all tune in and we wait a little bit, and we have some delayed gratification for anything ever anymore. Like, I like that.

[B]

I think it's fun. And you get to, like, it makes it, like, a ritual. Like, Like, I remember that was, like, our Sunday night ritual. It was like, big little lies, girls, whatever. And, like, you, I love, too. And they're like, last week, these girls texted each other, like, and you're like, oh, my God. I remember that. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. They're texting. Don't do that like that. Like, I think that that's really, that's fun and special.

[A]

How. Okay, how are you balancing all of. Like, you're doing so much. Mind you, I would never showrun a show in a million years. Like, when I heard you were doing.

[B]

That It's a disaster.

[A]

I was like, it's a huge mistake. No, no, I think it's. It really requ. Like, I'm so impressed by that, genuinely. And I. When I heard you were doing that, I was like, thank God. Because I trust her to do that, number one. And number two, like, I just am very, very impressed by that. And I don't know with people know how difficult and psychotic that is. And so you're balancing so many different things, though. I feel like you've got all these different, like, irons in the fire. And obviously, I imagine right now, like, show is the big thing, that you're like, I am show. And anything else other than show, I am show. I am show. But, like, how are you. How are you balancing all of those things while you're doing this crazy big undertaking?

[B]

I think I didn't know how psychotic it was when I did it. I was like, totally show. Run. Like, run the show. Perfect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I was like, like, oh, it's. I feel like I'm running an insurance company sometimes where you're like, I've got to do the paper paperwork. Like, and I think, like, it's a lot. But also, everyone who works on the show is so incredible. Emma Berry, my co showrunner, is like, amazing. Max Silvestri, who, you know, Max is a genius, genius. And he's one of our eps. Lauren Scafario, who directed the pilot and two other episodes. Aida Rogers, one of our producers. Like, everyone is so amazing. And then Amy and Ally, who work at hbo, are amazing. So I felt like I never felt, like, judged that it was my first time doing it and I was, like, able to be. I constantly was like, so today you get an email being like, today we're going on a scout for this, or we have a meeting, a mix thing or a this thing or whatever. And I'm like, I don't know what that is. Obviously I will be there, but I don't know what it is.

[A]

I will show up. That's what I can promise you.

[B]

I can promise you I'll be there. Claire and I will be there, but we don't know what's happening. And so literally there were times where I would, like, Google stuff and I would be like, what is this? Or what kind of. They're like, we're looking to hire a da da da da da, like this person for editing, blah, blah, blah, and the name of a job that I don't know. And I would be like, like, that sounds awesome. And then I get to the interview. And I'm like, so, what would you say this job entails? What do you do? What do you do? In your opinion?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In your words, what happens when you come to the office? If you come at all? Do you work from home? What is this?

[A]

Let's walk through this. I hire you, then what?

[B]

Then what? What's next? What's next? Next?

[A]

What's next? And frankly, what should I be looking for? What should I be looking for?

[B]

What should I be asking you? What's. If you were to ask yourself a question that you want me to ask you, what would it be?

[A]

Oh, okay. Fun idea. Fun idea. Say 10 things you do in a day. Quick. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

[B]

Yes. So it was. It was a lot of that. There was one day in the writer's room where ca. Ever written. I'd written pilots, multiple pilots, but I had pitched multiple shows that never got sold. And I, like, had submitted scripts for staffing. I never got staffed. And so my only experience, really, was, like, writing movies and writing bottoms. Just burping really quick.

[A]

Just burp really quick.

[B]

And so I know the shape of what a movie is supposed to be, but it's different than a TV episode. So one day, in front of all the writers, I was like, getting really, like, in my head about, like, the shape of what an episode should be. And it's like, all of our writers were lovely, and no one would ever judge me, but still, you're in front of a group of people that you're supposed to be leading. So I walk up to the board, and I draw, like, a squiggly line, and I'm like, so if a movie is like this, and then a show is like. And then I start drawing these lines, and I turn around, and I look at the room, and everyone's like. And I was like. So I was like, fuck. How do I. How do I back away from this? And I look to Max, and Max is like.

[A]

Max is like, yo.

[B]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I was like, then none of this matters. I literally, like, erase it as if it's like an exercise. I'm like, throw it away. We don't need this, guys. Screw formula on. We're just. Let's just. Blue sky. A word I learned two days ago. Yeah, like, it was like. It was.

[A]

It's house numbers. It's bad pitch.

[B]

It's throw anything out there. We don't even need the. The board. Burn it. Like, it was so. It was Like, I. So in that moment was like, I don't know what I'm doing. And it was so scary.

[A]

Max in the corner being like, no, no.

[B]

There would be so many moments. Max is amazing, and so is Emma, where I was. Like, they had so much more experience than me, but they never made me feel like I was stupid or, like, my ideas, because I still knew, like, what I wanted the show to be about. And I knew I had had all these ideas for the season, but, like, I didn't always know how to, like, express them. And I feel like there were so many times during the room where I would, like, start to say something, and then I would be like. And trailing off. And Max would be like, exactly. And so what Rachel's kind of said the save. I was like, whoo. Texting him under the table. Like, thanks, girl. Needed that. But it was. Yeah, it was. It was definitely like, a learning curve. And then the other thing that I feel like the process of showrunning is I would. I would learn a new word, and I couldn't stop saying, oh, of course. You learn a new word, you go, oh, I'm gonna run that. I'm gonna beat that into the dirt. Yeah, I'm gonna. Like, when I. When I learned the word vestigial.

[A]

Oh, vestigial. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Let's go vestigial.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When they're like, that's vestigial from the last draft. Let's pull it. It Now I'm like, in my life, I'm like, that shirt's vestigial. That's from 2018. Let's pull that shirt. It's a little vestigial.

[A]

No, there's something addicting. There's a very specific language and way that people talk about making tv.

[B]

Yes, that.

[A]

When I wrote for Big Mouth, like, my first writing job, the whole first season really was me, and Max was there, and he so has such a brilliant mind for TV that the whole first season was me just being like. Someone would be like, oh, this dialogue feels sweaty. And I'd be like, it does. It does feel sweaty.

[B]

It's super sweaty. It's sweating all over us.

[A]

Like, learning the terminology of this. And then season two, like, having younger writers come in and being like, oh, now they're learning. The way we talk about this. It's a lot of fun. It feels like I have a secret.

[B]

I know. I'm like, in a club. Yeah, yeah. You're like, yeah, the different terms. That was really fun learning that. The other thing is I feel like I pulled different advice from, like, friends who had written on show. Like, I guess I had the experience of when IO and I wrote our Comedy Central thing, she had already been a writer's assistant. And I remember saying something to her that was like, it feels like we just re. We. We get notes and then we write it different, and then we just go back to the old way. And she was like, uh huh, uh huh.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, that's the whole process. I was like, okay, cool. Just checking, making sure. But, like, texting different people who had done different things. Same with directing. Cause I directed for the first time, I directed one of the episodes, and I was like, the whole time we were shooting, because I directed the finale, I was like, stealing phrases from the other directors. Like, Bill Benz would sometimes say, like, just do, like, the stupid version, which is like, the version where it's like, so obvious what you're playing. And then, like, what else did he say? Like, a little bit of chuffa.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's like, let's just get a little more chuff up off the top. I'm like, like, I love that. A little chuff up.

[A]

Make it feel like a little bit.

[B]

Just a little extra before we get in. We're gonna cut the chuffa, but we need it just in case. Like, little terms like that or different ways people would do stuff. Like Lorene, like, I think, like, sometimes she would come over and, like, say something to you really quiet, like, why don't you try to do that? And I was like, oh, girl, I'm gonna take that.

[A]

That's mine now.

[B]

And that's mine now. Like, you try little things. And I feel like, like, my favorite part of the showrunning process as a whole is you get to work with so many, like, amazing people and learn from everyone. And it's like, everyone wants the same thing, which is they want to make something great. That was. The other thing is I didn't feel like there was a single person who worked on the show who wasn't like, I'm giving my all. I'm bringing my best energy. And, like, I want this to be good. So you're like, we're all on the same side.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And even if we, like, disagree about how something should be, like, if. If I have to defend my argument or my point of view to someone, then I have to, like, be better at expressing my idea, which in turn makes me, like, understand more why I think it should be that way. And sometimes in the process of explaining my point of view, I'm like, I'm wrong. Like, you know what I mean? Sometimes you're like, well, it has to be this way, but okay. Actually, so what you said, as it turns out, is interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Interrogating your point of view is, like, such a beautiful part of collaboration to be like, oh, I was. I was dead certain that I was right about this. And then you see someone else talk about it, and you're like, actually, I'm wrong. I'm willing to give on that.

[B]

I'm willing to give on that. And I'm like, I'm totally willing to give. If. If you have a better idea. Done.

[A]

Yeah, let's do.

[B]

I'd rather have a better idea than the one ever I. I thought of when I was crashing my car this morning.

[A]

Rachel, I have a question for you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You know, we ask everyone on the show, what's so true to you?

[B]

Okay. What's so true to me is that, like, I think everybody needs a toxic. In a fun way. Not like, you know, but everyone needs, like, a toxic relationship where they get dragged through the dirt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or if you don't have that, maybe like a really bad friendship to shape your personality.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's necessary.

[B]

You need it.

[A]

It's crucial. You have to go through hell.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have to go through hell with somebody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like most people do have one of those.

[B]

You have to. And then it's like, where. Cause anyone who's like, I learned healthy boundaries on my own, it's like, you think that, but then you even. Let's say you have, like, the perfect childhood, everyone's kind to you, and you learn, like, healthy boundaries. It's like, you don't actually know healthy boundaries. Cause they haven't been tested yet by somebody truly evil. Get a crazy person in there. Cause there's crazy people out there. So you need to experience a crazy person.

[A]

We have to means test your wellness.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. And then the boundaries, really, they lock in. And I think it needs to be like. Like, tested against something also.

[A]

Being with a crazy person in any kind of relationship, it's genuinely.

[B]

It's kind of awesome.

[A]

Creative, romantic, platonic, it doesn't matter. Sometimes a crazy person enters your life and you're like, I like how insane you are. This feels good.

[B]

This feels good.

[A]

Yeah, it's nice. And so those boundaries do start to dissolve a little bit because you're like, I know we're being crazy, but it's so fun.

[B]

But it's kind of fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then after you do it, then after the Fun part goes away. It goes. Gets really bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then. And then you go, okay, this is what I have my boundaries for. And then you can. And then after this, I feel like is my journey is. I was like, no boundaries at all. And then I got to this area where I was like, it's all boundaries. And the walls are brick and cement.

[A]

Wall, wall, wall, wall. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[B]

Don't come in here. It's like all these little rules that I came up with. I have so many little rules I live by little rules that are like, if I don't have my bone broth and I can't poop, and then if I don't have five minutes alone and I have to meditate and. And I can't. I can't see someone on weeknights. Like, whatever. All these things. And those are awesome, too. But then once you really feel good in your rules, then you can sort of peel back on rules and go, this Wednesday, I'm going out to dinner. Do you know what I mean? Or, like, I'm gonna have milk and plan.

[A]

I'm having milk. Hello. I know it hurts my tummy. I'm doing it anyway.

[B]

I'm having milk tonight.

[A]

I truly had a milk tonight last week. I was like. I was like, I'm having full dairy Ben and Jerry's. And I will feel bad in the morning.

[B]

It doesn't matter. Because, you know, and this is the other thing that's great is, like, when you're younger, like, something happens and you're like, wait, why is this happening? Why does my stomach hurt? Why do I feel crazy, out of control? Why am I, like, completely, like, unable to stop myself from whatever, being in this thing with this person, whatever? You don't know what's going on. Then you learn. Then you know, and you go, I don't want to do it. But then after time, you go, now that I know, I can do it a little.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I. Because I know I'm gonna. My stomach's gonna hurt tomorrow. That's okay. I'll plan.

[A]

I'm gonna do exactly, exactly. It's like, you plan milk night for when you don't have something early the next morning. No, I can wake up and feel a little bad.

[B]

Morning.

[A]

You have shit morning. It's milk night into shit morning.

[B]

Yeah. Be one day.

[A]

No, but you're actually saying something so real, which is like, you do just. You go, okay, I figured things out. I made my rules. I lived really strictly about this, that, or the other, this relationship or this food or this, whatever. And then once you know the consequences and you fully reckoned with them, then you're like, I can break the rules. I'll just plan on how I break them.

[B]

I plan on how I break them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Really, really good.

[B]

Yeah. The other thing, this. This part kind of sucks, is like, do you know, like, when you're going through, like, a hard time?

[A]

Time never happened to me.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I've never had a hard time. Isn't that crazy?

[B]

Totally.

[A]

Yes. I know when you're going through a hard time.

[B]

When you're going through a hard time. And before, I would only realize that it was a hard time. After, I would be like, wait, that was a really hard time. Now I realize it when I'm in it. I'm like. And you're sort of like, you know that it'll be over at a certain point, so you can't even do the drama. Like, to me, it used to be like. Like, if I was going through a breakup or something, I would be like, it's over. It's. Oh, like, you know what I mean? And I would just, like, throw myself into it. And now you're like, this will pass. Yeah, I'll be okay. Couple nights with the girls, it'll be fine. And you're like, I kind of miss the not knowing of, like, what's going on.

[A]

This is the. I think about this all the time when I think about, like, the kids in my life, like, my little cousins and stuff, that I'm like, I love you so much, and I want you. I want to give you lessons as quickly as I can so that your path in life will be easier.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the number one thing I can't give you that makes life so much easier is just data that you have been through things and you've seen yourself. You've had a hard time, and then you've had an easier time, and then it's gotten hard again, and you look back and go like, oh, this is how I got through that hard time. You create your steps, you create your processes. You surround yourself with certain types of people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't give you data. You will just have to live through some really uncomfortable moments.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To get to the place you're talking about. Of like, yeah, I can't really do the drama because I know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This. Yeah. This week sucks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And next week it won't. And that's just what it is.

[B]

And that's just what it is. And. And it doesn't matter if you tell them. There were so many Things. My mom told me that. I was like, okay. And then literally, years later, I was like, she was right. She was right.

[A]

Nailed it.

[B]

She literally took me, like, sorry. Back to the milk. But my mom was like, you're allergic to milk. I took you to a doctor. I was like, you're a liar.

[A]

I'm having milk.

[B]

I'm having milk.

[A]

Every night is milk.

[B]

And then I was like, oh, okay. And then I discovered all these other milks that are delicious, but, like, the. It's just, like, a rule where it's. Or even, like, being in a bad relationship, your friends or your mom or whatever could be like, you shouldn't do this. And you go, okay, I'm gonna do it for two more years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then never again. But it's like, those types of things. It's like you. You can tell them, but they're gonna learn it on their own.

[A]

They need their own data.

[B]

They need their own data.

[A]

Everybody has to get their own data.

[B]

Everyone has to get their own data.

[A]

And you'll figure it out. You'll figure out what you are good and bad at when things go good at bad.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

Yeah. Rachel, we have a segment for you. This one has nothing to do with high school theater.

[B]

Okay. Am I drinking too much water?

[A]

No, not enough. Not enough milk, though.

[B]

I feel like I'm drinking so much.

[A]

No, it's really, really important. You're actually setting a great example for everyone watching. This is a segment we play with everyone. Rachel, true or false. I'm gonna read you 15 statements. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said is true or false.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

If you get 10 or more correct, Rachel, we're gonna give you 50 US dollars.

[B]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[A]

Okay, are you ready?

[B]

Okay. O.

[A]

Okay. A goldfish's memory span. SP span is only three seconds.

[B]

True.

[A]

False. It can be several months. Carrots improve your vision.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. Basketball was invented by a Canadian.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. The first email was sent in 1971.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. There are no active Six Flags theme parks in the United States.

[B]

False.

[A]

False. Simsbury, Connecticut's sister city is Whitman, Germany.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. Sutton Foster was born in Australia to American parents.

[B]

True.

[A]

False. Georgia.

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

30 Rock was nominated for 56 Emmys.

[B]

True.

[A]

False. 114.

[B]

False.

[A]

Chimpanzees can't swim.

[B]

I've seen them walking around in the water. True.

[A]

True.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

BlackBerry's last film was released in 2018.

[B]

BlackBerry. The phone.

[A]

BlackBerry's last phone was released in 2018.

[B]

False.

[A]

True.

[B]

Fuck.

[A]

There are 108 cards. There are 108 cards in a standard deck of Uno cards.

[B]

I hate games. They stress me out so much. True.

[A]

True. NYU's motto is look to the future.

[B]

True.

[A]

False. To persevere and to excel. Jingle Bells was originally written for Thanksgiving.

[B]

True.

[A]

True. The tricks. The Trix Rabbit's real name is Arnold.

[B]

True.

[A]

False. He has no real name. 99 of our solar system's mass is the sun.

[B]

False.

[A]

True. How'd she do? Oh, it's so close. It was so close. Damn. I'm sorry. If you need 50 bucks, though, like, call me. Girl, you know I've got you.

[B]

Okay. Thank you.

[A]

I've always got you. I will always hold you down.

[B]

Okay. Thank you. You will?

[A]

I really will. I really will.

[B]

I remember you treated me for dinner our first night in Toronto. Do you remember that?

[A]

Pasta.

[B]

Pasta. It was a delicious meal. And it was, like, so beautiful.

[A]

It really was. It was such a funny. Like, our little life in Toronto was like, Rachel and I are hanging out every day for a little bit.

[B]

It was. It was perfect.

[A]

It was cute. We went and bought a sweater. You got, like, a big Canadian flag sweater. Do you remember that?

[B]

I do.

[A]

It's cutie.

[B]

And we, like, went out, too.

[A]

Yeah, we did. We were fun back then.

[B]

We were fun back then.

[A]

Now all we do is work.

[B]

Grandma and Grandpa.

[A]

Grandma and Grandpa. Talking about data and milk.

[B]

Talking about the memory of a goldfish.

[A]

Okay, so the show's coming out. Very, very excited about that. It comes out in November. Are you gonna get to, like, go on a vacation? Are you gonna go away for a little bit? What are you gonna do when you get free time again?

[B]

I am gonna hopefully move. I need to move.

[A]

A big, stressful thing.

[B]

A big stressful thing. I need to move. I need to repair my relationships with my loved ones. You know how it's like you go away and you give no one any.

[A]

Time apology to her.

[B]

Yes. And then. Sorry. One other thing Claire and I were talking about was we were like, you make promises the whole time. You make promises during the shoot, which is like. You're like. When we rap. I'm gonna be at the club. Yeah, I'm gonna be.

[A]

I'm out.

[B]

I'm out. Dinner. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Let's go on a weekend trip. I think we should all go to Cape Cod. It's like, what? It's like promises after promises, by the way. It's like no one's even holding me to them, but I've, like, made them up in my head.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I am looking forward to doing. To spending time with my loved ones again and going to the club with them.

[A]

As I said, I'll be making good on promises.

[B]

I'll be making good on promises.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's my big plan.

[A]

I truly relate to that so much. I was so. When I was on tour in the spring, I was like this. I mean, they're already laughing because Truly, you should have seen all of tour. You know, getting, doing show until midnight, getting up at 4am for a flight to a new city. Like that. I. The whole tour, I was like, this summer you're not gonna hear from me. I'm going to Europe. I'm not. No one's gonna. Truly worked every hour of the summer, every day. And it was just like the curtains blocking out the light in here.

[B]

It's 4:00am you're like, good morning.

[A]

Hey, what's up, y'? All? I'm. Yeah, I worked every minute of the summer and I'm just laughing at my old self that was making these promises.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You'll be lucky if you even get a text back from me this summer. No, I was on the phone every hour.

[B]

Every hour.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're like, completely reachable.

[A]

Totally. If I'm anything, it's reachable.

[B]

I am reachable.

[A]

Unfortunately, I am reachable. Yeah. You can get a hold of me. Yeah, I have my phone on. Do not disturb. Everyone in my life just calls through it.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Everyone just calls twice. They're like, I had to call twice again. I'm like, I know, I know.

[B]

I was trying. I was trying to set a boundary.

[A]

Yeah, no, no. One respects it. And I think like.

[B]

They'Re laughing cuz they don't. Yeah, they're like.

[A]

They're like, oh my God.

[B]

Seriously though, Caleb, we need. We need to schedule tomorrow.

[A]

Pick up. For real. I just love you, Rachel. I'm so excited about the show. I'm so excited about the show.

[B]

I'm so happy that we got to. To talk. To talk. This is the other thing. Last thing to hang out with your friends. You have to schedule like a podcast or. Or work.

[A]

It's really amazing.

[B]

Or a work.

[A]

You have to schedule a podcast or a work.

[B]

Or a work.

[A]

Yeah, and I'm so glad you don't count doing this podcast. I. A work.

[B]

This is not a work.

[A]

It's a different thing.

[B]

This is a different thing.

[A]

Dude, thanks for being on.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

We did it with Rachel. Yeah, that was a hit.

[B]

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It's Jen Aniston here, you gorgeous w.

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