127: PCP with Eric André | Soder Podcast | EP 125

Summary

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Soder Podcast #127: “PCP with Eric André”

Host: Dan Soder
Guest: Eric Andre
Date: March 31, 2026
Total Duration: ~70 min

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Episode Overview

This episode is a loose, energetic hang between comedians Dan Soder and Eric André, built around candid stories from their careers and lives. The conversation dives into comedy bombing, growing up with different family and friend dynamics, substance use and its social perceptions, the history (and weirdness) of alcohol, punk music, insomnia and sleep, and the sometimes-absurd nature of show business. The tone is unguarded, personal, and often hilarious, with both comics riffing freely from childhood traumas to modern addiction. There’s also discussion of drugs (notably PCP and its reputation), conspiracy thinking around substance legality, the cocaine/crack era, and how all of these intersect with race, class, and media narratives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Comfort with Nudity, Childhood, and Comedy Beginnings

• Nakedness & Joke Origins:
  • Eric discusses how being naked was part of his friend group’s humor growing up, inspired by Red Hot Chili Peppers and punk shows. Dan describes his group as more about eating gross things for money.
  • “You're the comedy of your friend group. And then just one of you decides to do it professionally." (Eric, 03:24)
  • Light early banter about sports teams, with Dan’s split Denver/San Francisco loyalty due to family.

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Parenting, Family Trauma, and the Decision Not to Have Kids

• On Not Wanting Kids:
  • Both comics have discussed vasectomies and a mutual decision with their partners not to have children, sharing concerns about anxiety, selfishness, and not wanting to mess up a kid’s life.
  • "We have aunt and uncle energy. I'm a great uncle." (Dan, 06:57)
  • "I'm being selfish if I have the kid." (Eric, 07:27)
• Family & Addiction:
  • Dan shares his father died of cirrhosis at 14 and reflects on a lineage of alcoholism.
  • Eric’s Florida friends, drugs, and avoiding hard stuff like opiates; he credits moderation and a lack of family addiction.

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Stand-Up Comedy: Bombing, Early Days & The Road

• Bombing Stories:
  • Eric recounts bombing at New York Comedy Club recently (“Butt ass naked. Jerking off into the audience... That might be a problem.” 09:09–09:14), describes burning out post-Netflix special, and returning to stand-up after focusing on “The Eric Andre Show.”
  • Louis CK’s advice: Open with a tried-and-true joke, then take risks ("So the audience can put their shoulders down and go, okay, this guy has jokes that work." 11:31)
  • Discussion of the rough, deeply unglamorous nature of open mics in NYC and Boston, and the intimidating but formative Brooklyn/Rafifi scenes.
• Touring & Isolation:
  • Dan and Eric talk about the loneliness of the road, bringing friends to open, and why touring together matters (30:01–30:14).

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Substance Use, Drugs & Social Narratives

• Alcohol & American History:
  • In-depth riffs about how contaminated water led Europeans to become “bred” for alcohol (24:28–25:00), and how Native Americans and others were devastated by colonial alcohol trade.
  • Debates about the roots of addiction, why liquor hit society so hard, and alcohol’s place in culture.
• PCP, Ketamine, and Drug Myths:
  • Eric (to Dan’s surprise) says he recently tried PCP (43:28–44:01), debunking the “super strength” myth and explaining its similarity to ketamine.
  • They discuss how drug narratives ("junk journalism") vary by race and class: meth/Adderall, crack/cocaine, PCP/ketamine (42:29–46:45).
  • "If poor white people or poor black people do it, then it's going to have a bunch of junk journalism about it. So he goes: crystal meth and Adderall—almost exactly the same molecularly." (Eric, 42:33)
• Conspiracy Thinking & Corporate Interests:
  • Speculation about whether scare campaigns over drugs like GHB were pushed by Big Alcohol (Anheuser-Busch), and if more recent anti-weed narratives are commerce-driven.
  • "I wonder if that's a hit job mob from someone, like bubble bath companies being like: 'yo, these bath salts are f---ing us up.'" (Dan, 49:40)

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Generational Change: Kids, Alcohol, and Screen Addiction

• Young People & Drinking:
  • Dan and Eric both note Gen Z and younger aren’t drinking alcohol as much; both see this as a health-positive shift, but recognize cultural marketing’s power.
• Smartphones as the New Cigarettes:
  • Both admit to phone addiction and predict future generations will look back on phone use the way we do on 20th-century smoking.
  • "We're gonna look back on iPhones like cigarettes." (Eric, 52:33)

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Sleep, Health & the Modern Condition

• Insomnia & Sleep Tech:
  • Both comedians discuss struggling with sleep, psychiatry, CPAPs, and the consequences of screen time before bed.
  • Dan swears by white noise machines for travel (56:24–56:55).

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Wrestling, Punk, and Pop Culture “Deep Cuts”

• Wrestling Fandom:
  • Nostalgia for 80s/90s wrestling (Junkyard Dog, Hulk Hogan, Macho Man), WWE’s corporate takeovers, and the continued draw of wrestling for comedians.
• Punk Roots & Personal Identity:
  • Eric’s love of Bad Brains and the punk scene, connecting how punk’s d.i.y. energy informed his comedy and career.
• Media & Success:
  • Dan admires Eric for his authenticity—how “The Eric Andre Show” directly channels his stand-up voice and persona.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (w/ Timestamps)

• On Open Mics:
  • “Everyone imagines an open mic is a sold-out theater... It's one of the saddest experiences of your life." (Dan, 15:40)
• On the “Junk Journalism” of Drugs:
  • "Poor white people do crystal meth... and suburban rich white people do Adderall. And it's almost the same drug." (Eric, 42:33)
• On PCP Myths:
  • “I did it recently... Not only did I not feel super strength, which is like, I wish, that'd be rad... I felt great.” (Eric, 43:28)
• On Comedy Bombing:
  • “I bombed at Stand Up New York one time doing a check spot so bad ... I don't know if I want to do this anymore.” (Dan, 61:16)
• On Standup Translating to TV:
  • “I've never seen somebody's stand up translate directly into their TV show... more directly than what you were doing in New York before you did the show.” (Big Jay, quoted by Eric Andre, 67:41)
• Dan on "The Eric Andre Show":
  • "One of the first things that someone I knew made... that I was like, 'Oh, I f--k with this not just because I know them, but because I genuinely like it.'" (Dan, 67:18)
• On Premise-less Podcasts:
  • "What's the premise of your podcast? Nothing. It's this. It's premiseless." (Dan, 61:58)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 03:00-04:30 | Childhood, nudity, humor, and friend dynamics | | 06:00-07:30 | Reasons not to have kids, family influence | | 09:00-11:30 | Bombing stories, stand-up after TV success | | 14:30-18:00 | First open mics, NYC/Boston comedy scene reminiscence | | 24:00-26:00 | Alcohol’s history, genetics, impact on society | | 42:14-47:03 | PCP, ketamine, drug myths, class/race perceptions | | 49:40-50:30 | “Bath salts” and the media, misinformation | | 52:33-55:30 | Phones as new cigarettes, sleep struggles, CPAP | | 56:24-58:59| Road sleep, tour bus stories, accidents | | 61:00-65:30 | Bombing podcast premise, media appearances | | 67:18-68:55 | Authenticity in comedy, creative legacy |

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Memorable Closing

• Dan expresses genuine admiration for Eric’s work and roots, tying his unique comedic style to punk and his willingness to be totally himself—on stage, on TV, or even dabbling in PCP. The episode ends with mutual gratitude and inside jokes, encapsulating the camaraderie and honesty that define the best comic conversations.

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Recommended: For fans of unfiltered comedy, inside-industry stories, and the messy, real side of creative life.

Transcript

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My mortgage is 2900 bucks a month.

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How long have you been in that place?

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10 years. 11 years.

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Yeah.

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Do you like. Do you like being out there at all?

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I've never. Yeah, it feels like. Like when you come in your fiance.

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Oh, I definitely. I definitely don't like it. Hey, everybody, thanks for watching the show. We got a good one with Eric Andrew, who was very fun to hang out with once he stopped goading me. Have fun watching this episode though. Eric. Andre is the fucking man. Check him out. But also, I'm on the road this Saturday. Got a late show at the Paramount in Huntington, New York. We added a 9:30 show dance otter.com for those tickets. And then Charlotte, North Carolina, I will see you April 10th. And then Durham, North Carolina, I'm gonna see you the 11th on. Also coming up, we've got Munhall, Pennsylvania. They tried to call that Pittsburgh. We got Cleveland, Ohio. We got Columbus, Ohio. And we got Grand Falls Larch. Grand Falls Casino in Larchwood, Iowa. Those are the remaining dates on the Golden Retriever of Comedy Tour. The tickets are now@dan soder.com and also the podcast is right now. Thank you for watching. This is a good exercise for me. Because you're one of the guys that's comfortable being naked. Yeah, I would say that is probably.

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You are too.

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No, I'm not.

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That's not true.

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That's. How do you know?

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Would you shower with your clothes on?

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Yes.

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Every day. You're a never nude.

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I wore this in the shower. I'm a never knew. You never. It didn't take a thing to get you free, the being naked all the time or you just grew up being like.

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I grew up being naked?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I feel like there was something me and my friends. I mean, my friends, you know, like,

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would you skin around?

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You're like, you're. You're the comedy of your friend group. And then just one of you decides to do it professionally.

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But yours was getting naked, mine was eating stuff for money.

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Like.

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Yeah, those are the two. Those are the two paths.

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Yeah. I mean, my friends got naked too.

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They see. My friends never got naked.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like. It was like a joke stuff, you know, you read out Chili Peppers were putting their socks on their. And you're going. You're going to punk shows and people are getting naked at the show as a bit.

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Yeah. When I bumped into that, it was way too late. And I was like, yeah.

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Why the.

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Is your dick.

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Are you doing it now?

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No.

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Oh, well, you bumped into that.

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What do you mean? When I started hanging out, when that was a joke with a certain group, you'd be like, oh, you were too.

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You were too.

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I was already too buttoned up. I was already too, like, why the. You get naked?

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Or you're like a die hard Nuggets fan. You have like obscure Nuggets players from 90s.

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Yeah. I'm from Denver, so I like the Nuggets.

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But you root for the Giants.

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My family's from the Bay Area. I'm all over the.

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You're a complex man.

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I got layers.

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I couldn't tell you a single one of these guys who was on the Nugget. Theo. Yeah.

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Hell yeah. See, you did it.

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That's the only one from that era that I know.

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Yeah. No one did, though. They weren't that good. So no one cared.

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I saw them beat my Heat. I was at that game.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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That was a fun. I never thought we would ever win a championship. That's why. Because no one cares. But I can name the Heat players.

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Harold Miner. Yeah, Harold Miner. Ronnie Cycley.

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Well, you guys Took Tim Hardaway. That's what stopped me from being a Warriors fan.

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Hardaway.

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Because I was a Warriors fan. Because my morning. Yeah, dude. Alonzo in that famous gif. Him. Of him shrugging on the sidelines and then being like, you've seen that one

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where he's like, I don't know. Oh, where he.

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You've never seen that one?

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Well, he's got a dialysis machine, I think.

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Yeah, I don't think that's the gift I'm talking about. I don't think there's a. Dialysis is his gift of Alonzo morning talking about him sitting on the bench and accepting that they're losing. What kind of psycho goes, yeah, your favorite player. You remember him in the hospital? That favorite. That famous gif of him.

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What the are you talking about?

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Get out of here. Acting like that naked shit's normal. You weirdos showing your dicks to each other and acting like I'm the abnormal one.

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Knock you out. We were getting in trouble. Yeah, we were getting in trouble.

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Ah.

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We were doing the bunk shows and getting in trouble in Florida and, like. Where? Warehouses in Florida.

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Florida. I could see. But that's crazy, because people go to Florida to be naked.

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Oh, yeah? You think so?

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There's, like, a lot of.

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You're more naked than you think.

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I hope so. I would hope so.

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You got kids?

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No.

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They're naked.

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No, I said I don't have them, but, yeah, kids.

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You will have them.

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No, I'm not. I'm not doing it.

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You're doing it. You're a good dad.

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People say that. People say that as a way to win.

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Bad energy.

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It's because I didn't have one. I had to be my own. That's.

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Where's your dad?

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Dead. Bent in the ground.

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When did he. When did he pass?

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14.

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That sucks.

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It's not cool. It's not funny.

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How'd he die?

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Cirrhosis.

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Ah. He was a drinker.

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No one goes cirrhosis. And he goes, nah, man. Just in the sun. Too much. Yeah, dude, his whole liver kicked it. I don't want to have a tough way.

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That's a tough way.

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Do you want kids?

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No. I'm getting a vasectomy.

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Me too.

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But you told her that?

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Yeah, yeah, we just said it.

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She's got to be bummed.

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No, we had a conversation. We had a conversation about having kids, and we were like, we're not doing it.

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And so then a departed her once.

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No, we've really had long conversations.

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Long talks.

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Yeah, we. We have aunt and uncle energy. I'm a great uncle.

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That's how I feel.

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Yeah, I don't want to somebody Seems like a lot.

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Yeah. I don't want to somebody up.

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I also don't.

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And then they resent you.

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And I don't want to bring a

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kid with their mom. And then you're like, I tried. Like, I'm sorry.

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It's exactly it.

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Yeah.

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I told.

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Tried.

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Honestly, the conversation was, I don't want

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that pressure I got. There's enough. I have enough anxiety. I couldn't manage. Imagine adding more anxiety to the current load.

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And some people will call you selfish. But then you go, I know, I know.

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I'm being selfish if I have the kid.

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That's what I think.

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And I also think I can adopt when I'm 90.

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Exactly. The conversation. Also, if you go be successful and you do want to have kids, you adopt a kid, you take a kid from 0 to 60, that kid has a way better life. They has financial stability.

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They're. Annie, you're. You're daddy.

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Exactly. You guys would be Daddy Warbuck.

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Yeah.

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We had a conversation where it was like, I'm gonna stay on the road the rest of my career because I do stand up. There's not going to be so I

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don't know that AI is going to replace your job. They're gonna have AI standups.

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They are. I mean, they're already doing.

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No, no, no.

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They're already doing it.

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They don't have AI stand up, do they?

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They did. They do. They did. George Carlin and the Tom Brady. But that was both dudesy. That was like Will Sasso being funny and people got mad about it.

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I don't know. What do you mean?

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It was Will Sasso's podcast Dudesy, that did.

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See, why do you keep saying dudesy? That's the name of his podcast.

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Yeah, it's the name of their podcast was Dudesy. And he was. He did a George Carlin and a Tom Brady Special. 60 Minute AI Special.

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I heard that George Carlin one.

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They did it also with Tom Brady and. And people thought Tom Brady did a real special.

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Yeah, but you can't go on the road and be live.

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No. Yeah. So that's why you're gonna road dog it. Well, yeah, I'd like doing stand up. And you gotta stay on the road.

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Where are you going next?

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Orlando, Florida.

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Where are you playing?

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The Plaza Theater.

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Nice.

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Maybe I did the improv there and bombed.

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Oh, no.

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It was a tough week.

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You gotta come on my podcast. I got a bombing podcast.

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Did you talk about bombing?

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Yeah, that's it.

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Did you bomb still? You don't bomb still bomb.

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I bombed, like the other day at New York Comed Club.

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Doing what?

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Naked butt naked. Jerking off into the audience.

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Butt ass naked. That might be a problem.

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Came into the crowd.

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Yeah, that's crowd work. That's the crowd work I want to see is them working wax darts into the crowd, you hitting pop flies to the audience. What's the worst bomb you ever had?

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I think the other night, man, really? I stunk it up. I've been, like, stinking it up lately. I like, no, no, not at all.

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So you're going, I've been.

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I've been. I've been. I kind of quit doing stand up. And then I was like. Like, when the Eric Andre show started, everything that I was doing in my standup was satisfied creatively. More through the Eric Andre show?

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Yeah.

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And I, like, slowly kind of weaned off stand up. And then I did. I started doing it to get him. And Netflix offered me money for a special. I started doing it, like, really? The pavement and going on the road hardcore. And then I did my Netflix special. I finished editing it, February 2020, delivered it, then co hit. Then after Covid, I was like, I don't really want to do standup anymore. I want to focus on television and film.

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Which makes sense because you were off the road. No one had to do standup. Yeah, that makes complete sense.

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I was burnt out on it, and I was like, I rather focus my creative energy. And when I'm. If I'm writing all day or filming or like, by the time I've been thinking about comedy for 12 hours, I don't really feel like doing stand up. So I go. I would go to the stand or. Or near a comedy club or a show in Brooklyn or something. And I just didn't have the same. I was here in my early 20s, and all I had was like, just. I was full of piss and vinegar in those days. You know what I mean? Like, you're just hungry for it. And that's all you could do. That's all I had access to.

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Yeah.

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But now I'm. I'm, like, returning to it, and I feel like an unfrozen caveman. So I'm trying new jokes, but I'm stinking it up out there. I now I like. I'm doing the Louis CK thing. Where you jerk off at work. No, where you.

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It is very effective.

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No, he told me, like, he goes, start out with the. And he says, this publicly like start out with like the a tried and true joke. Start, start with an old joke that works just to get your footing.

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Yeah.

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So the audience can like put their shoulders down and go, okay, this gu guys has jokes at work. And then do the. And then, and then walk without a tightrope.

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I was the other night when I bombed. I just was like, only new material that I hadn't even said out loud. And I was like forgetting half the fucking bed. I was like, shit. You guys ever fuck? Wait a minute.

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Do you ever do the thing where you think the riff is going to take you and then you go up there and the first thing you say bombs. And then it just completely was.

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That was the other night.

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I like, I remember doing that. I was on the road with Nate fucking like 15 years ago. And he watched me do that and he went, you committed the thing where you thought the riff was going to open up everything and then you bomb.

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No. Yeah.

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Because you, you miss on that one and then you just go like.

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The very first open mic I ever did in New York City. I'd been doing comedy a year in Boston in College. I was 20, 21 years old. Was with Nate Vergozzi.

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Was that was the first open mic you did?

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I moved to New York like a couple years after 9, 11. It was 2004.

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Okay.

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September or October of 2004. I was finishing college. I was interning at Matador Records downtown.

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That's awesome.

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For my. Because I was a music business major at Berkeley and I was doing an open mic and I was like, I told everybody at work, like, I'm gonna do this open mic in New York City. I think this is like, I thought I was going to be like on stage, like on stage in front of 3,000 people.

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That's. Imagine every open mic. Every person that imagines an open mic imagines that it's a sold out theater and there's like red curtains on and that a guy over the God mic brings you up. When you don't know. It is one of the saddest experiences of your life. You are in a room with people that don't want to hear you talk.

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This was even worse. And this was like what over mic was. This looked like a. Where like our bud Dwyer committed suicide. It was like, if this is going

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to upset you, you should leave with a gun. That's my favorite part of that whole video.

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No one talks about this is gonna

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pull out the gun. And he goes, if this is gonna

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upset you, you need to leave. What a good way to kill yourself. What a crazy thing to say before

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you yourself publicly on the news.

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Oh my God. So. So me, a couple other comics. It was the Yellow open mic. It was comedy Soapbox recommended Yellow over Mike, which was an unfortunate name of a Chinese bar in Chinatown. Yeah. It was called the Yellow Bar. I didn't come up with the name. And it was. It was in the basement. It wasn't even where people drank. It was in the basement with fluorescent lighting, carpet, and like uncomfortable church chairs. And it was just me and Nate and two other comics at like 4:30 in the afternoon performing for each other.

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Yeah.

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And I was like.

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And comics are the worst audience.

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I was like, this is hell. This is hell on earth. What is the point of this?

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I started in Tucson at a club called Laughs. And what they would do is they, they. It was smart what they did. They do the open mic from 7 to 8pm and then there'd be a pro show at 8pm so if you went on late in the open mic, you were going on in front of people. Yeah, you were going on. It might have been like 60 people on a Thursday night, but you were going up.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Then I moved here and I went to like the Pit open mic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or something. I. For. I think Stand Up New York was the first open mic I went to. Oh, yeah.

[A]

I won a lot too.

[B]

I was like, this is, this is rough. This is rough. And then also the amount of mentally ill people in New York City that you stand.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It's like tenfold more than anywhere else. Maybe la, it's close.

[A]

Oh, I don't know. New York. But they literally come in off the street. Yeah.

[B]

They just want to rant.

[A]

Yeah. So you watch people. Yeah.

[B]

And I learned how to diagnose schizophrenia faster than I learned how to get on a show by being a New York open micr. You're just like, well, this person's clearly out of their mind. That's always why the, the, the Brooklyn scene intimidated me. Because when I would go to like Union hall or one of those venues, everyone, even if they were faking it seemed so comfortable on stage. That's why I was like, oh, like, part of that, like always blew my Rafifi was a place you'd go and watch people and be like, they're all so comfortable doing this. I feel like a fraud.

[A]

Oh, really? I felt like they were like a private school.

[B]

Really? You felt like that?

[A]

Yeah, I felt totally not.

[B]

Because you're coming from the punk scene in Florida, which is like.

[A]

They weren't. They were like. That's like David School dandies that were, like, so incestuous. And I, like. I felt like I wasn't part of the cool club. Yeah.

[B]

That's how I. What's weird is I felt the same, but for a different reason.

[A]

Yeah. I felt like I was, like, loud and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Rambunctious and. And it was, like, cool to be very, like, monotone. Like, the office and, like, very, like. It was cool to be like. Like, I don't know, mousy and indie.

[B]

Yeah. Looking down at your shoes and kicking around.

[A]

Yeah. Shoe gazy. I was not that at all. I was like, Bad Brain. So, like, they. Those did not like me at all. I never felt like I belonged in that.

[B]

But the punk thing makes so much sense. When did you get into punk music? Like, very young.

[A]

12. Yeah.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. This is the.

[B]

That, like, clicked for you, where you were, like, the first time you heard Bad Brains.

[A]

Yeah. When you're in it, like, what were your favorite? Like, you're, like, making cassette tape mixes for your friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Punk band, specifically. Or any band.

[B]

Just, like, punk bands.

[A]

Punk bands.

[B]

Because that was too big of a

[A]

for punk, I think I heard that,

[B]

and I was like, these guys are nuts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To the nude thing. Yeah, these guys are nuts. I was like, these guys are.

[A]

Or you listen to Phil Collins.

[B]

Dude, I'm not gonna lie. When you're a.

[A]

No jacket required. Hey.

[B]

When you're a child of an alcoholic, this is what I'm talking about.

[A]

Were your parents divorced?

[B]

Yeah. But they both drank. So your mom drank. Yeah, but she. She was listening to Bonnie.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then I was. And then I was going out to California with my dad in the Bay Area, and he was getting up to Buffett and, like, wow.

[A]

Like, what did your parents meet?

[B]

San Francisco.

[A]

What were they doing?

[B]

My mom worked in insurance. My dad was a bartender, and he just. They had me. They broke up. My dad went back to the Bay. My mom was in Colorado.

[A]

So you split up your time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, that's why you're in Nuggets and a Giants.

[B]

Yeah. I picked the Nuggets because they traded Tim Hardaway to the Heat. I was a Warriors fan. And then they traded Tim Hardaway, and I was like, yo, that he's going to the Heat.

[A]

And then I had to abandon.

[B]

Well, I'd had no teams in Denver. And I'm like, fighting kids on the playground because I'm like, the 49ers are way better than the Bronx.

[A]

So you split your time going back and forth.

[B]

That's tough. Yeah, it was. It was. I mean, I flew a lot as a kid, so the travel.

[A]

Yeah, but what's your friend. Where's your friend group?

[B]

Denver. Because that's where I went to school.

[A]

Oh. So summers you'd be with.

[B]

Summer or winter, I would go. I was on a.

[A]

Dad was like, glug, glug, glug all the time. What was his rum, Whiskey, Bacardi and Coke. I'm a big rum guy.

[B]

He would do mostly Bacardi in a splash of goat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And get after it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then he moved.

[A]

Do you think he was. Had depression?

[B]

I think he was an alcoholic, maybe. He was probably depression.

[A]

Did your grandpa have alcoholism?

[B]

Yeah, whole family did. Did.

[A]

Oh, so it's like in the blood.

[B]

Yeah, that's. I quit 13 years ago, so.

[A]

Right where you were hitting the sauce.

[B]

I used to know you. I was boozy, you were saucy. I was. I remember we did an outside show and I showed up, like, 30 minutes late.

[A]

Blackout half in the bag.

[B]

Yeah. There's a picture of me, you and Reese Waters.

[A]

Let me see.

[B]

I.

[A]

It's gotta look it up.

[B]

Let me see if I can find it.

[A]

What was your. What was your drink of choice? You're a Knob Creek guy.

[B]

I would a. No, I was a Jameson with a beer back. I used to like to do makers. I used to. Yeah. Yeah. I used to do, like, not drop in. I would do a shot and then have a beer. Yeah. Let me see if I can get all the way back to. I don't think it's on this phone.

[A]

I'm trying to drink and do more drugs.

[B]

You want to get. You want to go?

[A]

I never had, like, a bad period.

[B]

You never did.

[A]

Now I like this later. I kind of was a fucking little chicken about it, so.

[B]

But see, that's crazy to me because to me, the punk music thing to me was more braver than getting up up, I thought.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Like, you going to shows and like. Like. Like crowd surfing or getting naked and being cr. Like, you guys are spitting on each other and throwing insurance. Yeah.

[A]

We're just joking around.

[B]

I know.

[A]

The same way you joke around.

[B]

I know, but I didn't realize that. To me, it was, like, scary. I was like, God, these guys beat each. I never did heroin I would have loved to. I think, if I would have done

[A]

it, I want to do it once before I die.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

Not in a syringe. I would smoke it or you would.

[B]

I would want the full.

[A]

You want to do the syringe? Yeah, I would have. Somebody I would have to nurse, like a registered nurse that knows how to administer syringe.

[B]

I'm gonna set it up. We're both gonna be, like, 81 crack, too. Yeah, well, you have to. That's how you have to pull out of it. It's the heroin down, crack out, and then you die. That's a way to. That's a way to go out. High five. God. On the way out. That's. That's interesting to me because I never thought, like, everybody I know had a problem with drugs or alcohol.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Most people I grew up with, everyone had a moment.

[A]

I'm from Florida. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My friends in high school are dead,

[B]

so did you see that? And you're like, I'm not with that. I'm just not gonna.

[A]

I just did drugs in moderation, and I didn't do opiates.

[B]

Do you not have, like, an addictive personality at all?

[A]

No. My parents didn't really drink that much. Drinks a little bit.

[B]

Yeah. But they have, like, social drinks, right? Like, once.

[A]

My dad rarely drank.

[B]

I always loved that when I would go to a friend's house, and they'd be like, my dad had a couple beers. And you're like, yeah. That's how they. That's how they move. It's how they operate. No, they don't. And like, to watch someone. That's always why. That's one of the reasons I started noticing I really had a problem was I'd go to weddings, and people would expect me to get, like, really up,

[A]

and I was like, were you drinking in the morning?

[B]

Sometimes.

[A]

Were you drinking every day?

[B]

No. Oh, yeah. Every day, every. Every night, for sure. That's how I got through the open mics in New York was they would pay you in drink tickets. I'm the guys that. That works on.

[A]

Yeah, that's because you got it and you got it from your dad. You got it in the blood.

[B]

Yeah, it's in my blood. My aunt was a crackhead, and she, like, told me because she got so,

[A]

you know, in Europe, you couldn't drink water. You had to drink alcohol.

[B]

That was also in, like, the old west. Beer.

[A]

Beer was like, you like, like, alcoholism and alcoholics were the only ones that would. Because dehydration. Couldn't drink Water in Europe. My friends are like. My friend is like, if you. My friend Simon, he's Jewish, but he was like, Europeans were designed to be alcoholics. You couldn't drink the water. So if you didn't have beer for two days, you would die. You would die from dehydration.

[B]

It's great.

[A]

So it's like. Like, alcoholism is like bread. It's like a Bennett. Like Winston Churchill. Total boozeback. Lived till he was 95.

[B]

Because it was. I didn't even realize that.

[A]

Yeah. Because you couldn't drink.

[B]

I knew in the old west, it was like the water was so bad, they. They. The alcohol killed it off. So you could have whiskey or beer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you kind of knew that was safer.

[A]

You had to put whiskey in your water. You had to drink beer to. To drink water.

[B]

That's.

[A]

You had to. So, like, that's something I want to

[B]

read into, because it's like, son of a. I was born into that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Being like, you're gonna be a booze bag.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because when I was young, when we were teenagers, I thought it was, like, a superpower.

[A]

I'm reading this book about the history of Roman. It talks about, like, the how in the European cities, they, like, had to drink alcohol because the water was so polluted, but Native Americans could drink out of lakes and glacier water. And then when they started. When, like, Ben Franklin, those buffers started introducing rum and whiskey.

[B]

That was.

[A]

The Indians were going nuts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Rocked.

[B]

But they weren't.

[A]

They weren't, like, bred to consume that much alcohol.

[B]

It's a real good book on the sue and the movie. The movement of the suit, like North Dakota and the Black Hills and the heart of everything that is. It's about Red Cloud and they.

[A]

A specific Sitting Bull. And I'll let you.

[B]

It's about, like, Crazy Horse custards. Last stand. He was involved in all that. Red Cloud was, like, one of the only foreign generals to have, like, three or four victories against the U.S. army in the history of the country. But they talked about how they used to. The Native Americans would trade for coffee. Was their first that they were like, yo, what is this?

[A]

Gets you, geek.

[B]

Yeah, I want this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Coffee. Tobacco.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They would trade for tobacco, and then when they brought whiskey, they were like that other. I want that fire water.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's when, you know, the corruption in the United States was like, oh, we can just turn. We can turn them out.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And then they'll just steal their land because they'll be drunk and disordered.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You know, that's crazy.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

They were like, perfect.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. As we all are.

[B]

But I didn't know. It was like, it's already in my blood.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

That makes a lot of sense.

[A]

It's also. It was the way to decontaminate water.

[B]

Yeah. Because it's easier than decontaminating the water source.

[A]

It's just going, well, they were just like. And pissing in the streets like Beethoven, Mona Lisa. They were like, pissed. They were like pissing in a bucket and just throw it out of a window in Vienna. I was like, a Gigi Allen concert.

[B]

But then there are people in the punk scene. They're like, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's how the punk scene started.

[B]

The people outside that are like,

[A]

oh, yeah. Beethoven's just

[B]

Ben Franklin too, man. The more you read about him and how just like, he was just like, I want. And I got this. Yeah, yeah. He was just like. Was on fire and he was just going. The French don't complain. And you're like, jesus Christ. These old guys in wigs just sweating through a July.

[A]

They had crazy pimples. They had those, like, super pimples. And about that, they had like. Like, they had, like, up skin and super pimples. And they would, like, put makeup on. Like, their pores are all.

[B]

That's like the.

[A]

It's syphilis. Or their brains were deteriorating.

[B]

And they're the ones that. They're like, forefathers would be disappointed today

[A]

on the street. They're hammered. And they would get, like a bad batch of brandy that had, like, methanol in it and go blind. Like. Yeah. When you distill liquor, it's called the head. Like, the first part of it is methanol. And you. You get. Get rid of it.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And it's the. It's the stuff in the middle of the distillation process that you drink.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So you get rid of the head and the tail. But the head, you really have to get rid. You can drink the tail, but it doesn't taste good.

[B]

That's like moonshine. Like, when all those people in the south go blind for moonshine is because they don't get rid of all that method. Yeah.

[A]

You gotta get rid of the methanol

[B]

because you're just going for that sweet, sweet ethanol burned down.

[A]

Go for the sweet, sweet ethanol.

[B]

But then I didn't. Dude, you know, what's that. That thought of that. Like the forefathers and super wigs and

[A]

like, the British judges are still rocking those wigs.

[B]

Like Taking them off, how sweaty they're.

[A]

Why do they rock those wigs? And you know that they. The British judges, they study in the city of London, which isn't London. It's a miniature city within the middle of London that has like secret societies and weird. Like. That's what they said. That's where those judges study. And they get those.

[B]

That's when they give them that. They put it on like Vader's helmet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They press it down and they're like,

[A]

you are a judge. They look like those sheep that like. You know, the sheep in New Zealand that get lost for five years and come.

[B]

70 pound dreadlock dude. I used to. I used to search for those because when I was on the road and I was like. It was like cathartic to me to watch them shave down those like heavy.

[A]

Those like dreadlock roster.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I've been out in the forest for a long time.

[A]

I'll be a sheep.

[B]

I'm no longer a lamb. I'll be a real lion.

[A]

You want some? A mutton?

[B]

I'd be. Don't be giving you my chops. I've been giving you the whole team roster. Sheep.

[A]

Don't you get lonely on the road?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The road.

[B]

Road.

[A]

I feel like it's isolating.

[B]

It's very.

[A]

Especially when I'm in like Des Moines or like corn country, like.

[B]

So you bring a friend to open?

[A]

Yeah, buddy. You got to bring a friend to open.

[B]

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[A]

You watch video of that all over YouTube.

[B]

It was stinking up my algorithm for a long time because it looks like

[A]

I'm just watching Puerto Rican thickies, like, try out their new bikinis.

[B]

You're, like, just shaking.

[A]

Look at this dude shave.

[B]

And I'm watching a guy go like this. Smooth.

[A]

Grab your phone. I'm like, I guess I'll jerk off to this.

[B]

But you know, the. The back to the forefathers things, not thinking of they had super pimples or that they were hammered all the time.

[A]

That's like the syphilis.

[B]

Everybody's like, I want to go back there. And you're like, this smells.

[A]

So they wreaked horseshit everywhere. New York, horseshits everywhere.

[B]

People that complain now about New York City, you go, imagine during 1770, everybody's

[A]

breath like, whiskey, dead teeth. Horseshit. They're weird.

[B]

They're sweaty.

[A]

Canarsie Indians would pay people in, like, clams and oysters. And so there's like, old clowns, you

[B]

know when they have a sack. You know how, like, you know how white people love them? White people love to go to, like, Montauk or New England and go clamming. And they go, we just had a bag and we just put the clams.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That was like, 1776. People are walking around and they're just like, walking around like, dude, in August,

[A]

don't eat those clams.

[B]

And he's like, they go, dove now. And then you're in a pot. But I think about that with dinosaurs too. If you went back to when dinosaurs, you'd like, the smells would be like, you get out of that time. Any time travel, if you go back, you would just get out and be

[A]

like, like, yeah, dinosaurs are keeping it moving. Like before agriculture, humans, dinosaurs, everybody's keeping it moving.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you're like. But then you keep it going. There's no like city center.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

You're nomadic, so you just like move on from the. Like when you're walking through the woods and you see deer or bear, you're not like, I mean, if you put your nose in, it's gonna stink. But you're like, yeah, you know, keep it moving.

[B]

Yeah. But also a lot of times it's dried out so that it doesn't stink as bad.

[A]

That's when we started getting stationary, like after, like agriculture's improved, prevented. That's when. That's when diseases spring up.

[B]

Like the industrial revolution made everybody sick.

[A]

Because it was just before. That's agriculture. Because really, you read guns, germs and steel started it. Everybody.

[B]

I haven't even been able to cry.

[A]

Yeah. Like everybody sat still. And pigs and cows were wallowing in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People were started their sheeps and getting. It's true, like pox. All the pox, small pox and all those all dudes was all from cows. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Because dudes were like, look at that.

[A]

My wife's annoying, but the sheep's up. Yeah. Like people were you reacting the pigs

[B]

in a positive way. Not like my wife, she's like, don't make me go through nine months of pain again.

[A]

Because, you know, I think they were the out of those days. I think, I think the sheep were like, ah, yeah, Farmer Brown's drunk.

[B]

The first two, like sprawled out being like, get me away the straw.

[A]

The modern like viruses and stuff are from agriculture, from animal. From animals like wallowing in their. And us eating and them.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The guy that tried to make a sheep cool, you know, like sitting around and they go, these are very lovely cuts of meat. And he goes, what would you say if I told you I had sex with this? They'd react like I did about getting naked. I'd be like, like, but I'll try it later when I'm more comfortable. I'll try it.

[A]

Well, you're the most bummed when you talked about coming in your wife. You were like. You were like cherry different. I thought you'd be clicking your heels.

[B]

I mean, it is the best thing. It's the greatest thing ever. But it's like, until I get. Because I have the vasect. I'm scheduling the vasectomy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so up. I'm freezing now. I'm. I'm gonna go. I'm thinking about how much I'm gonna love it post vasectomy.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You talk about it.

[A]

Then you're like, we're gonna have a. We're gonna have a home.

[B]

Yeah. I'm gonna be like, yeah. Because it's gonna be. It's bowling with bumpers that I don't have to worry about, because I think that's the worry. We're both. We're both so decided that I don't want to up. That's where the. The nervousness is.

[A]

Damn, dude.

[B]

But now I'm.

[A]

Is that the big show?

[B]

Yeah, dude. That's the Raw 20. I know. The cameras can't see. It's the Raw 25th anniversary. Michael Che called me, and he was like, do you want to go to RAW 25th anniversary? And I like, was like, it.

[A]

Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[B]

That's the best with him, too. So they do the thing, you know, where they, like, drive in the SUV and you go down the elevator. He like, ch. They.

[A]

They treat Chase like the Megan Merkel of the wrestling world.

[B]

No, no, I don't know that. Like, him and Sal, they go in and they go like, come on ringside. Like, they sit ringside.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's different than when I went with Dan St. Germaine for his bachelor party

[A]

and we were second to last row at msg.

[B]

And then I'm watching Stone Cold's Steve Austin have a beer with Sal. It's like, come on, Sal, get in the ring. And we're. We're all at the top. Me, Mike Lawrence, Stan St. Germaine, Scott Chaplin wearing NWO shirts, and we're like,

[A]

we know that guy. Way better experience wcw, right?

[B]

Yeah. But they came over to wwe.

[A]

Oh, it did?

[B]

Yeah. They had the whole cw.

[A]

Was cool. Was that cool that.

[B]

Well, they got bought out. Vince McMahon bought WCW.

[A]

He did not like WCW.

[B]

No. It was his only competition, and he was a true carnival man. So he bought it out.

[A]

He wanted to be the only show,

[B]

and then he ran.

[A]

What about a aew?

[B]

I got one of those chairs over there. Shout out.

[A]

Are they still going?

[B]

Shout out. Colt Cabana. Yeah.

[A]

What about ecw?

[B]

Got bought by a WWE as well. Oh, WWE bought ECW and WCW and owned them all. So they own all the property.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then AEW has been the only. I mean, there's also tna, which Got bought out by wwe. But there's other, like, wrestling leagues.

[A]

Is. Is Triple H eyeing aew?

[B]

He can't touch it.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Tony Khan's too rich. The guy who owns it.

[A]

He won't. He won't.

[B]

Yeah. And he wants to run it himself. They're enemies. But that always happens in wrestling where you get bought out.

[A]

Imagine if I just heard your audience change the channel.

[B]

Wrong. My audience just doubled down. Yeah, but.

[A]

Okay, great.

[B]

Here's the thing.

[A]

I'm the wcw.

[B]

I'm the guy that's been pushing back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

On people calling wrestling gay since I was 8.

[A]

Because it is gay.

[B]

But it's my kind of gay. It's the kind of gay AI. Like, there's no busting inside, just. But it's like. That's what I'm upset about with the WWE now is they are courting people to get. Like, they're getting famous people. But it's famous people that have been on Wrestling for 20 years.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And so I just go.

[A]

I had Junkyard Dog bed sheets growing up.

[B]

Junkyard Dog was the man side of the ring. That guy was nuts. That guy was over. Over. And I'm by over, I mean popular. Like, he was the Mick.

[A]

How did he die?

[B]

I don't know. I. I had my.

[A]

My bedroom sheets growing up were Hulk Ogan, Macho man and Junkyard Dog.

[B]

Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

[A]

It's the rest of the Junkyard Dog doll.

[B]

Yeah. One of those. The big rubber one with the red pants. Me too.

[A]

This doll, I thought the Macho man doll. And I had.

[B]

That's the original Macho man from the 80s where he had the weird headband and had these. Yeah. And a fan gave me those after a show.

[A]

Tongue. Georgia Animal steel.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I had. I had. I had the green tongue.

[B]

I had the Andre the Giant where he had the afro and the blue shorts. And it was like. I had the old school Andre before the strap. Before he was really. God, double check that. Because that's a crazy way. But he was like, so what's crazy is there's a great book.

[A]

Those guys had, like, hepatitis.

[B]

Those guys were all alcoholics. They all. They all heroin. When co Kids.

[A]

Meth.

[B]

Well, they're doing. GHB got famous. You know, GHB got famous because of bodybuilders and pro wrestlers. Because if you take ghb, it helps you sleep, but it burns fat while you sleep.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

They would take.

[A]

I know the gays like it because you can drink, you can get drunk, but no Calories.

[B]

So it's like a super alcohol because it burns the fat when you're sleeping. GHB has a reaction where it burns the fat.

[A]

God. It's a wonder drug.

[B]

So wrestlers would take it to go to sleep on the road, because they're on the road 300 days a year.

[A]

So they're like, he probably took it and passed out.

[B]

But they were using it in ways where it was like, before the date were like, excellent. Wrestlers were like, oh, I can sleep and I'll wake up looking.

[A]

Because they used to sell at GNC back in the day. Yeah, we would do it at raves in high school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You would just do. How would you do it? Just like scoops.

[A]

You would do a shot of it at a rave in high school. You would just get it at gnc? Yeah. Would you pass out if you do too much of it?

[B]

Okay. But if you do the right amount, you gotta.

[A]

You gotta, like, set your watch to do the right amount because you can overdose and it sucks.

[B]

See, for me growing up, and you

[A]

don't want to mix it with alcohol and you don't want to mix it with ketamine or you're.

[B]

You're cooked or you're dead.

[A]

You're not in good shape.

[B]

So that was always. The fear for me was like, that kind of was scary to me. But then doing ball rips and drinking a half a bottle of whiskey, I was like, well, that's normal. Normal.

[A]

Yeah, that's. But I'm from Florida, so we're like, any drug ever. We would.

[B]

Did you.

[A]

We would spray our weed with Raid and bug spray. When did you first see Cloud 9? Would dip the weed in embalming fluids.

[B]

Sherman, baby.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, let's just go with Sherman.

[B]

That's getting wet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We were nuts.

[B]

When. When did. Did you ever see bath salts or did you leave by the time?

[A]

No, but I heard that the bath salt thing, the guy that zombie ate that guy's face, they drug tested him and he just had like a very teeny tiny bit of weed. Weed in the system.

[B]

So he was just. It was just schizophrenia.

[A]

Yeah, it was totally. I don't know, undiagnosed, but it was like something. It was junk journalism. I'm friends with Hamilton Morris who has that show on Vice. Hamilton's pharmacopia.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He goes, it's totally junk journalism. Scare tactic journalism. He's like, it's total. They didn't find anything in that guy.

[B]

Do you.

[A]

I wonder if it's pcp. Too. He goes, PCB doesn't give you super strength.

[B]

It doesn't.

[A]

He goes, PCP was invented by an anesthesiologist.

[B]

Juice.

[A]

It's kissing cousins with ketamine. It's almost the exact same thing as ketamine.

[B]

No, but poor.

[A]

He goes, if poor white people or poor black people do it, then it's going to have a bunch of junk journalism about it. So he goes, crystal meth and Adderall. Almost exactly the same molecularly. Really one molecule difference. But poor white people do crystal meth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. And suburban to rich white people do Adderall.

[B]

And that's also.

[A]

And it's the Chris Rock joke. The government doesn't want you to do your drugs. The government wants you to do their drugs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, I mean, so pcp, poor black people, poor white, do it. Ketamine, suburban white people, rich white people do it. He's like, it's almost the same drug invented for the same reasons. Both invented by anesthesiologists because we're all same drug.

[B]

Especially early 90s, early mid-90s, PCP was. If you take it, you'll break through the handcuffs of the.

[A]

Yeah, you'll break through the handcuff. You'll peel off your hand.

[B]

Total.

[A]

Complete.

[B]

You'll get shot by the cops nine times and survive.

[A]

Total. I did it recently.

[B]

You did pcb?

[A]

I did like a little bum. The guy I get my psychedelics from was like, PCP was on the menu. So I was like, let me try. My friend was doing ketamine. So I was like, I don't really like Ketamine. Let me try pcp. Not only did I not feel super strength, which is like, I wish. That'd be rad.

[B]

You.

[A]

You like if you're on steroids. I mean, I'm sure that somebody on Cops who was on steroids and experiencing a psychotic brain break and doing PCB was on pcb. But I did it and I. I felt great.

[B]

You. You grabbing it.

[A]

I just did a little bump, though. I didn't do like a grabbing like

[B]

a clean and jerk from the Olympics, popping both your shoulders out. But that's. You know what I mean? It's like I didn't even know that. I didn't know PCP was molecularly the same as. Because I knew kids doing ketamine.

[A]

I don't know if it's exactly the same, but it's like it was invented for the same reason one scientific scientists invented it for. They're both invented by anesthesiologists.

[B]

You Know what's funny is, and the about the government thing was, when I lived in Tucson, it was the first major crackdown on selling Sudafed because they were turning it into crystal meth.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And really that's just the government going, no, no, you can't go make it yourself.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So they were.

[A]

They were so Adderall Vians. It's just part of the amphetamine family. It's the same thing. Hitler would shoot up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was just. It's not that different. And also. So crack and cocaine are almost exactly the same. The only difference between crack is the baking soda. It's the same. It's the same. But even smoke crack and you don't and you snort cocaine, but they're the same. But Reagan passed all these laws to make crack get.

[B]

Because that was the cheaper alternative.

[A]

Worse or worse sentencing for crack possession.

[B]

So what about the whole CIA highway? Ricky Ross bringing it. Rick Ross bringing it into black neighborhoods.

[A]

83.

[B]

Yeah. Like all that stuff was that. That was just cocaine.

[A]

I. I gotta ask Carl Hess. He would know. He told me the whole history of it. It was like they were experimenting something in. I think it was in Belize. I don't want to get this information wrong.

[B]

It was up also Carl Hess. I. I haven't heard that name in forever.

[A]

Yeah, I love Carl. He's my drink buddy.

[B]

He's awesome.

[A]

He's the man.

[B]

Carl has rules.

[A]

Yeah. And he's like, he. He has like, encyclopedic knowledge. Like he was telling me that, that the CIA, they're always tampering with Central America. So like, like inventing like, you know, like funding, selling weapons, you know, funding paramilitary death groups and. And contras and, you know, starting civil war. So it was something like they were making. They like Belize, I think, was getting cocaine and. And basically like stepping on it with baking soda to make it cheaper and cooking it and cooking it. And. And then the CIA brought that into Oakland and introduced it. Black neighborhoods in Oakland, to them up like the way that the Native Americans were up by whiskey. It was just their new brandy.

[B]

And the same bit, just a different punchline.

[A]

Same bit.

[B]

So they just go, we're just doing so.

[A]

Yes. So. But it's so. So coke and crack, almost identical. Meth and Adderall, one molecule different. Different. And PCB and ketamine almost exactly.

[B]

Do you think they have. Do you think like the ultra rich have like an alternative version of alcohol that doesn't.

[A]

It's ghb. And my friend really My buddy that said when GHB got labeled the date drug, he goes, I bet you Anheuser Busch is pushing. Pushing that narrative.

[B]

That's what I'm. Okay, so that's what I was also wondering about.

[A]

A lot of people are going back to. The gays started going back to jb, and the Straits are following suit because now people are looking at it like, wait, is it the drug? Or is any sedative in the hands of a rapist? A weed gummy is a date.

[B]

You give them a 200 milligram.

[A]

You know, PM is a day drug

[B]

if you're a Nyquil.

[A]

Nyquil is a day drug if you're.

[B]

If you're a rapist.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So.

[A]

So a lot of people are going back to GHB because they're like, wait, where all those stories in the late 90s, early 2000s, were those pushed by Anheuser's Busch agenda? A lot of people are thinking that would make sense. There's a conspiracy for that because of the junk science coming out about PCP in the 80s and crack in the 80s and. And it's the same thing. So I wonder. Yes, GHB is like a alternative to alcohol that can get you drunk, but you have to do it safely because you can fucking overdose really easy.

[B]

I wonder if they're doing that right now because you're seeing that weed. They're going like, yeah, marijuana is causing psychosis and kids in their 20s and shit, kind of like, they're. They're trying to do a weed scare but still make money off it. And I wonder if. If it's because alcohol sales have plummeted.

[A]

Kids, really.

[B]

Kids now do not drink. Gen Z, Gen Alpha. They don't want to drink.

[A]

I'm hearing that. But I'm also.

[B]

I have a friend that works for, like, a major liquor company, and he's

[A]

like, well, the number is really bad for you.

[B]

Ask him. I talk about it too much on

[A]

this podcast where people go, like, cancerous, and it's like, causes most of the health problems. It screws with your. It's your frontal lobe, your liver, your.

[B]

Your body can't regenerate when it's fighting out the. The sickness of alcohol you're putting in.

[A]

You're just crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. But, I mean, we had beer and wine for millions of years, and we've only had liquor for, like 500 years, 600 years.

[B]

Real problem.

[A]

Yeah, liquor is, like 10 times the ABV of beer. So we had, like, low. We had like 3% alcohol. Beer for millions of years. Yeah, that's like your body can handle. Yeah, but stilled with an alambic like a pot still is. Like, that's like the industrial revolution. That's like. That's like.

[B]

You know, who was it first? Was it the Brits with gin?

[A]

Well, those. Those. Who was the first one stills are from the Middle East. Okay. They're like Arabic. So it was maybe French people in North Africa or Spanish people in North Africa throwing different things in these lambic still to make perfume. But like some mad scientist. This because you live, bro.

[B]

I am so sick of not being like, I don't give a about any of this. I will kill everyone. But that makes the bath salt thing. Now that we're talking about companies coming back, I wonder if that's a hit job mob from someone like. Like bubble bath companies being like, yo, these bath salts are us up.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Maybe we, I don't know, create a thing that they're gonna make you eat people's face. Because that had to take a hit when that guy in Florida got accused of zombified.

[A]

It's totally.

[B]

It is all there was.

[A]

But I'm saying how salt is how far that spread because misinformation spreads. It's easier 10 times as much as real information. Real information is boring.

[B]

It's boring. It's.

[A]

Misinformation is exciting.

[B]

Misinformation. You go. You go like, oh, give me more.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Way more exciting.

[B]

Real science.

[A]

You go, well, you're like, yawn.

[B]

Well, that makes sense.

[A]

Shut up, nerds. Worth trying to hear fake information.

[B]

Yeah, but I mean, you guys doing ghb. If you told me in high school, we can go to this house party and do gravity bong hits and. And drink Everclear, or you can go to this punk show, do a shot of GHB and just have a good time and be sweaty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No anger. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No hangover, and you're fine. I would have been more scared of that than going to a kid's.

[A]

Well, like, alcohol is normalized.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like everything's marketing. You know what I mean? Like, if you're. If you're used to something, it's. What is it called? Me. It's either mere exposure effect or repeated exposure effect something.

[B]

Probably repeated exposure.

[A]

It's just like. I don't know if I'm getting a term right. It's something. Something about, like, if you just see Pepsi ad 10,000 times, your chimpanzee brain goes, okay, Pepsi's safe. I'm seeing it all.

[B]

That's why I have a big problem with pharmaceutical ads because we're the only country. I think there's like us in one other country are the only countries that pharmaceutical ads are allowed to be on TV where they're allowed to market the drug and skip the doctor. Where they're basically allowed to go to the person and be like. Which blows my mind.

[A]

Hey, life could be better by the way.

[B]

It's not even those kind of drugs. It's like complicated ones. That's like if you have thyroid cancer, you might be able to live five more months with this drug. Drug. And you're like, well don't. The doctor should be telling people. You shouldn't learn that because you were watching Wheel of Fortune.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're like, hey, I think I found another five months to my life if I take this with the catchy song. Yeah, they did like, they did a parody of a famous song. And now I want to come to your office and they're. Because they're always like, consult your doctor. It's like the doctor should be telling you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's one of the crazy things. It's pharmaceutical ads and gamble. I'm very loud about the gambling because that is just gonna. That's gonna ruin people the way opiates did. But I think pharmaceutical ads are right up there with like what the are we doing?

[A]

I think iPhone addiction. We're gonna look back on iPhones. Yeah. Cigarettes.

[B]

We were talking about that.

[A]

It's like I'm so addicted to my phone. It's tragedy. I started putting on a doom scroll. I'm like, what did I just do for two hours?

[B]

I will check out of doing something to doom scroll and then check back in and go. I just lost three minutes. Two.

[A]

Two hours of my life.

[B]

I doing what I started.

[A]

I used to read.

[B]

Yeah, I don't read any. I'm trying, dude. That's so funny. I'm buying books to read. I'm buying books again because my brain like needs it. Yeah.

[A]

And I'm so add now cuz the phone.

[B]

I can't.

[A]

I can't read. You're going to look back on that like cigarettes like holy. Do you know they used to smoke cigarettes inside the airplane and restaurants?

[B]

Do you charge?

[A]

Didn't everybody get lung cancer?

[B]

Yeah, dude. It was.

[A]

They put a asbestos and some cigarettes.

[B]

It was a tradition that when a baby was born and they gave it to the father, the father would smoke a cigar with the baby there. Yeah, just like that's. My boy. And the baby's like, I'm already dying. But do you charge your phone next to your bed?

[A]

No, I have an insomnia psychiatrist. My insomnia got really bad, so I put all electron. There's no electronics.

[B]

How great is that? Yeah, it changes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I did. I started putting my phone in the bathroom to charge.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So at night, I just. When I go to take my pill or whatever, I take.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Yeah, charge it.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then I go to bed because I was waking up on the road.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And just at like three in the morning, just looking at my phone.

[A]

Every girl I've dated for the past 10 years. Phone on all throughout the night, right by their head. I'm like, get it out of here, dude.

[B]

This one I had crazy. This one, she listens

[A]

Mario go kart sound effect. I'm like, get. It's by their head, like, next to their temple.

[B]

I had to tell her to put it on airplane mode. I was like, hey, she listen to the podcast. She listens to fall asleep. Why you're.

[A]

Why do you need.

[B]

I know. I turn it off.

[A]

Turn it off, Turn it off. Get it out of the room.

[B]

I used to be.

[A]

You need it while you're unconscious.

[B]

I used to not have crazy. I used to not have a TV in my room, and I used to sleep better.

[A]

I didn't have no TV in my room.

[B]

It's great.

[A]

No, I don't go in there.

[B]

You just go to sleep.

[A]

The bedroom is for sleep and sex.

[B]

Yeah, that's it. Are you. Are you getting good sleep?

[A]

I am now. I had to fucking go with this. I had to work with this insomnia psychiatrist. I had fucking bad insomnia.

[B]

But I think the screen time make. I think that we're going to find a correlation later between screen time and sleep apnea.

[A]

Sleep apnea. I got a CPAP machine, but I sleep machine Triassadone and fucking. I wear the orange glasses.

[B]

But I think cpap. I think it helps a lot of people, especially those that are morbidly obese and can't get, like, the breath when they're sleeping.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I think a lot of people that is going to wash away in 20 years because I got diagnosed with. With sleep apnea. But he was like, we should get you a CPAP machine. I tried it. I didn't like it. And then I started seeing the charges that I was getting to. My insurance was like monthly, where they're like, hey, we got to. You got to update it. You got to do this. And I was going, this is, this

[A]

seems like you're just interesting.

[B]

You're just trying to get me on the hook.

[A]

Well, I was dating. The proof was I was dating this Australian girl. And she's like, when you don't have a CPAT machine, you're snoring. It's like I'm next to a bloody

[B]

walrus, like running out of oxygen.

[A]

And then she goes, when you have it, not only do you not snore, but you're like as still as a.

[B]

Then that works, baby.

[A]

Like you don't, you don't move. And I can actually sleep.

[B]

Cuz I think there are people that get that right.

[A]

Like mob snores real bad.

[B]

So was. So my dad used to snore, so I thought maybe. Oh, I, I, I snore or whatever. Tried the CPAP thing. Didn't work. Still couldn't sleep. Was doing edibles. I was like doing. That was.

[A]

Yeah, I was doing the same thing. I was like mixing. I would take an edible and Benadryl and. And then I got addicted to Xanax to get to sleep and all this.

[B]

And you're taking like the Z quill.

[A]

Yeah, I stopped all that.

[B]

So I used to, I used to be like, oh, it's an Advil PM night.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I'll take one of those and zonk out all the time. And then I got a white noise machine. Machine. Yeah, a white noise machine. Changed the way that I sleep.

[A]

Oh, that did it for you, dude.

[B]

I took it on the road and I plugged it in and it was working at home. But I was like, the road's the real test. I turned it on and I took a nap and I slept for like 45 minutes. I like actually like to the point where I woke up, I didn't know where I was. It was like disassociating because I got such.

[A]

That's your.

[B]

Yeah, I got such deep sleep. And then I turned it off. Off next to me. And I could hear the hallway in. I could hear like the coming and goings. I could hear like people like the, the doors opening, shutting.

[A]

See, I get better sleep in a hotel room.

[B]

What about tour bus?

[A]

Tour bus.

[B]

Horrible.

[A]

I stopped, I stopped.

[B]

I couldn't, I couldn't do it.

[A]

I stopped doing the tour.

[B]

And everyone, all my friends were like,

[A]

first that I loved it. I was like, yeah, man, this rules.

[B]

It feels, it does, it does feel rock and roll.

[A]

Yeah. But I can't, I can't.

[B]

I couldn't.

[A]

And I know this Band. The guy got in a horrendous tour bus accident. The tour bus driver was mincemeat. The drummer was paralyzed. He, like. Like, part of his hand doesn't work anymore. He's a guitar player.

[B]

Yeah. See?

[A]

So like, I was like, nah, this.

[B]

That was the Metallica Cliff Burton story. Yeah, they're like. They were a dead asleep in their bunks. They hit ice in Europe and the bus flipped and it killed Cliff Burton.

[A]

And you're like.

[B]

You're like, dude, that Tracy Morgan.

[A]

Same thing. And Artie Fuqua.

[B]

They were in a Sprinter van. They were in a Mercedes Sprinter van.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

When I got hit by that Walmart truck, I just know that because. Because of Artie. But they were like in like a big One of those giant.

[A]

Imagine. And already only lived because he, like, walked happy to go to the front just for like, somebody was like, hey, check out this day. Whatever. He, like, went to the front and he goes, everybody in the back died.

[B]

But tour buses, when you're asleep and you're laying down on the tour bus, you hear the treads of the road.

[A]

No, that keeps me up.

[B]

For some people, that's like. It lulls them to sleep. But for me, when I went on a tour, when I went on Bert's tour of that summer, and we were on that tour bus for like four weekends in a row when I couldn't.

[A]

He's rocking the PJs now though, right?

[B]

I mean, dude, he's got. I think so. This was two years ago. And it was like, me a tell Big J deroza. A bunch of people were on the tour. Everyone was like, I can't wait for the tour bus because I can sleep better. I wouldn't sleep all night. And then we would park and I would fall asleep. So everyone would be getting up and I'd be like, dude, I'm just falling asleep. Because I'd hear like, like, no. And I'm like, what is that? But it's just him changing lanes or something.

[A]

No, I hate it.

[B]

I hated it.

[A]

I hate it.

[B]

That's crazy, cuz it does make me feel nuts.

[A]

I weirdly loved it at first and got perfect sleep.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Like the first year we did it. Yeah, I did it when I was like 28, 29, and then loved it. And then, like, I went back to it and I hated it. Something changed. I. I aged.

[B]

Are you having hard time finding comics to do your bombing podcast? Like, are there people that don't want to talk about it or. All comics, all comics want to talk about It.

[A]

Comics love talking. Yeah.

[B]

You know, we also love talking about it. Being embarrassed. You're like, I might not also.

[A]

It's not just comics. I have anybody. Like, I had. I've had chefs on musicians.

[B]

How do chefs bomb?

[A]

Just a horrible gig. A restaurant fails. They biff it. It's. It's. It's a show about failure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Trials and tribulations.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

You know, it's not. It's not.

[B]

Not like a chef failing and coming back and being like, it's food poisoning. A chef failing.

[A]

We had Roy Ch. On. He's just talking about, like, how he's been, like, badly burned.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

And sliced up. And he would get so nervous. He went to this, like, Japanese culinary school, and he got so nervous that his nose started bleeding on the food. Oh, my God.

[B]

That first drop where you're, like, there. Like, you just see. You know, because anybody's ever had a nosebleed, you notice it because it drops.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like.

[B]

Where.

[A]

He'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

What the. And in the movie, that always means you're about to die of cancer. Whenever they show that, they go, what is that? And then they cut to the detective leaving his wife's funeral. But if it happened in a culinary setting, that would probably me up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'd be like, yeah, it makes it

[A]

worse because then you're freaking out.

[B]

Because when you freak out when you bomb, it always makes it worse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, like, I've. I've done it so many times. I've been like, what's wrong?

[A]

You guys don't like.

[B]

And then they're like, no, now we really don't like you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. We were acting cool, but now actively, you. And you're like, God damn it. I've had ones where you're like, I saw something that I've never heard. I don't know the comic's name, but a comic bombed at the stand so hard recently that he didn't get applause when he left the stage.

[A]

Yeah, I can. I can.

[B]

And that's.

[A]

I think. I think that might have been me.

[B]

But that's a level of bombing where you're like, that's.

[A]

No. It sticks to your ribs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't make eye contact with people afterwards.

[B]

I bombed at Stand Up New York one time doing a check spot so bad. Like, it doesn't count.

[A]

A check bombing doesn't count. It feels like. It feels.

[B]

It feels like.

[A]

It really feels like it counts, but you can't. People are literally distracted, like, not paying attention. You're saying.

[B]

Saying, didn't matter. I ate it. And I went outside and called Socks, the girl I was dating. I called her at the time and I went, I don't know if I want to do this anymore. It was like one of those where you got whipped so bad that you go, I don't feel so good. Can you come pick me up? It's calling your mom cuz you puked. Can you come get me? I'm sick. That's how I felt. Was like that. Dude, I appreciate you coming by here.

[A]

Yeah, thanks, man. Thanks for having me. What's the premise of your podcast?

[B]

Nothing. It's this. It's premiseless. But you know what's funny?

[A]

Stavros's podcast two nights ago, and it's just like this. We're in his apartment and we're just bullshitting. And then, like, he had a caller call in and it was like. It was like.

[B]

It was like.

[A]

She was like, my boyfriend only likes me in the ass and he never eats my at. I was like, stavi, what's the premise of your podcast?

[B]

Well, you know what, though? St. That's what it is. He. He was like, it. Call in or whatever. Cuz I. For me, it's like calling for advice

[A]

is funny from him. Cuz it's like I like him, like,

[B]

being like, eat, doctor. My professional diagnosis is munch. More box.

[A]

He's like a hunter of Thompson's Lawyer, Like Ben Deloro and loathing.

[B]

He's Oscar Acosta. Like, I'll tell you what you do. Take a machete there as your lawyer.

[A]

We need five ounces of cocaine.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. But mine was like, you know how many people you cut out when they go, like, what's your premise? And you go, I just gonna hang out with comics in my office. And they go, well, don't you. You don't need producers for that. You're like, me and Mike got it. And then they're like, like, I'm a fan of yours. So I have people on that I like that. I'm like, oh, I. With this person.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I just hope people that, you know, most people that are watching this know.

[A]

Kevin Hart had me on his podcast. And I was like, halfway through, I was like, this guy clearly hates me.

[B]

Like, see, that's.

[A]

I go, does he know that I was booked today? I think I asked him. I was like, did you book me? I don't like.

[B]

But I'm.

[A]

I don't think you want me here

[B]

whenever I have that. I go, I've never had that. Because it's all people that. It's like, yeah.

[A]

Why would you.

[B]

Why would you. I just. Well, Kevin Hart's a machine, so he's

[A]

just like, this guy.

[B]

Just. Bam.

[A]

He's famous. Yeah.

[B]

What are we doing?

[A]

I'm.

[B]

It's like I. Yeah.

[A]

He looked at me like this, like, the whole time.

[B]

He's like, I've done it a couple.

[A]

Where did you get your start? I was like, we. I don't want to have to. We. I can go, we don't have to be here.

[B]

Like, you know what's funny? That was. That was morning radio for me on the road for a lot of my career. You go in and they go like, why are you here?

[A]

The last time I did terrestrial radio, I was, like, doing a bunch in a row, and I just. I go, I'll be right back. I gotta go use the restroom. And I just hung up on the zoom. My public is, like, blowing me up, up. Like, you got, like, 10 more. I go, there's no point.

[B]

There's no point.

[A]

There's no point. What? He goes, well, you're gonna, like, burn a bridge. I go with, like, KCW in Cincinnati. I don't care.

[B]

Zoom, zoom.

[A]

I'll grab the kerosene.

[B]

But there are. You know what's funny about that is the. The relationships I still do have with the morning radio that I know. Like Preston and Steve and Philly. They're my favorite. Is they were always super cool to me. Me, when I was headlining, like, a Wednesday.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they'd go, come in, promote your show. And you're like, you guys don't have to do this for me. And they'd be like, no, it'll get people when I'm selling.

[A]

Nobody was rude to me, but I was like, these people don't know who I am. Their audience doesn't know who I am. I don't listen to terrestrial radio. Nobody that's coming to my show does so.

[B]

But there's that. There's that. I've got the ones that were, like, rude, where they're like, why are you here? And you're like, because you have a relationship with the club. And the club's making me do this. I don't want to fucking do this. But, like, famous people, when you have

[A]

the ghetto up so goddamn early.

[B]

Yeah. Like, yours is something mine, you know, probably should have been four wards, just gonna sit on my couch where I play video games and talk. But yours has a premise where it's understandable. Or you go, yeah, go in. And then you're like, I'm ready to talk about failure.

[A]

Yeah. And. But, like, I also cheat on the premise of mine all the time, so.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

You know, it's. It's really just an excuse to hang out.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that's all you want to do. Like, dude, I honestly would have never walked in here. You make so much more sense to me now, knowing you came from a punk rock kind of, like, beginning. That I go, like, you make so

[A]

much more sense to me now that I know you did PCP a few weeks ago.

[B]

Yes. Can I tell you this? Yeah. And in a totally awesome way. Yeah. It's context.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It just puts it like, you didn't know that I grew up with booze bag parents?

[A]

No.

[B]

And that I. I thought you were

[A]

still hitting the sauce.

[B]

See what I mean?

[A]

But that's that baritone. You have that voice.

[B]

And who's got the divorce?

[A]

My mom.

[B]

When you meet.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you meet my mom?

[A]

Like, you sound like, it's like a whiskey drinking voice, but it's just.

[B]

My mom had a deep voice.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

My dad had a regular voice. My mom's like, how are you doing?

[A]

Janet Reno's your mom.

[B]

Can I tell you this? And I swear to God, this is real. My friends from high school would tell you this. I was raised. You know, my mom was a single mom, so we. We. I'm an only child.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you kind of go at each other a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When I would shit talk her to my friends.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It was the Will Ferrell Janet Rena. That was the impression I do where I go play that song I like. That was my impression for my mom growing up, when I was being a little shitty teenager, I'd be like, hey, Dan, you didn't know the wall? It's like, shut up, mom. That was absolutely my impression. So when he said, watch Eric Andre's podcast. Listen to it. Download the artist feed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Subscribe. That is subscribe to his feed.

[A]

Bombing. Check it out.

[B]

Check out bombing there radio. Also watch all of their condre show because he put if you dare, dude. It's the situations you did. Me and Big J used to just watch that. This is the best. Yeah, it was the best. I remember texting Hannibal when you put season one out. I just was like texting him, doc, chicken. Doc chicken.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's like, okay, man.

[A]

All right.

[B]

But I was like, it was the first. One of the first things that someone I knew made something that I was like, oh, I. With this not because I just know that Them, but because I genuinely like it. And I remember that it was like

[A]

last time I did. Last time I did the podcast, it was with Big J. Yeah, well, we, I.

[B]

We had the SiriusXM show.

[A]

You guys had that show. Yeah, that's the last time I did.

[B]

Yeah, that was serious.

[A]

And Jay said like the nicest thing to me, which was he goes, I've never seen somebody stand up translate directly into their TV show.

[B]

More.

[A]

More directly than. Than what you were doing in New York before you did the show. Oh, that was like the sweetest.

[B]

But it also is like even what you were just saying where it felt like you go, oh, this is the avenue. I can do this here. Even from the introductions from you with the band, from Hannibal's entire character.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where you filmed it in Brooklyn, how it was shot, that, that public access vibe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then you're having celebrities that you're bringing on that you are making fun of sometimes and sometimes with.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like the Tatiana Ali. There's like, there's like moments where you go, man, this is the most. Eric Andre.

[A]

No one can.

[B]

Eric Andre. Like Eric. And I think that's like. I mean that in like the, the highest way possible. I think that's like, I've not as a fan of comedy. I like finding nothing more than someone hit their stride in a way that you go, this is exactly who they are. And I think that's who you are are. And it's like, great. That's why I said, I'm glad you came on. Because the punk rock and the PCB thing make it all make a lot more sense. It just gives it a lot more layers. So check it out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, dude, thanks for coming.

[A]

Cool. Thanks, man.

[B]

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Yeah, the bird looks out of your league.

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