142: Talking to the Tombstone with Louis C.K. | Soder Podcast | EP 139

Summary

Soder Podcast Episode 142: "Talking to the Tombstone with Louis C.K."

Date: July 7, 2026
Host: Dan Soder
Guest: Louis C.K.

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Episode Overview

This episode features a lengthy, candid, and characteristically funny conversation between comedian Dan Soder and legendary stand-up Louis C.K. The central theme explores comedy as a vehicle for processing difficult personal experiences, especially aging parents, death, and family. The two discuss the emotional and comedic complexities of elder care, death, family legacy, and the uncomfortable realities around the end of life—including both their own families and in their comedy.

They also reminisce about comedy lore and show business stories, including a revealing discussion about the making (and unmaking) of the cult film "Pootie Tang." The episode climaxes in Soder sharing a personally embarrassing open-mic-era encounter with Louis, closing on both catharsis and laughter.

All timestamps reference the main discussion, skipping ad breaks and show promotions.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Comedy Specials and Influences

[02:01–05:05]

• Louis and Dan discuss the culture of comedy specials, referencing "Live at the Beacon" and its iconic introduction.
• Louis describes borrowing the "walk on stage while the lights are still up" opening from legends like Carlin and Richard Pryor, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and minimizing adulation.
  • Louis: "You don't want to watch somebody being adored by people that are in the room, because then... What the fuck do you care?" [04:49]

2. The Pain and Humor of Elder Care

[06:04–16:19]

• Both comics share deeply personal stories about putting aging family members into care homes, and the guilt and cultural differences around this (Saudi Arabia, India).
  • Louis: "It's an incredibly cruel and terrible thing to do. Because if you think about what a family is supposed to be, you're supposed to be there... just kind of hold them." [06:42]
  • Dan: "You killed your father. They say something way more brutal." [07:37]
• The struggle to reconcile the American approach with those countries where relatives are looked after at home.
• Louis’ story about his father's selective dementia and the emotional experience of being "edited out" by his own father.
  • Louis: "It was like talking to the granite, to the tombstone, like the way you sit and talk to it." [17:39]
• Writing comedy about real pain: how Louis turned a profound moment with his father into a 13-minute bit, but notes he still can't directly address the deepest pain until his father is gone.
  • Louis: "I probably won't be able to do it till he's dead." [23:25]
  • Dan: "So many father son relationships are so fucked up..." [23:19]
• The difference in writing jokes about living vs. deceased relatives, and the liberating finality of death for joke writing.
  • Louis: "Once you're dead, it's done. Yeah." [25:22]

3. Family, Death, and Grief Through Comedy

[26:33–32:25]

• Louis examines how his relationship with his parents continues after their deaths and the mix of guilt, freedom, and memory, especially regarding his mother.
  • Louis: "She’s more omniscient... more than back when she was alive." [26:06]
  • Louis: "Pain is like a hole...you can see all the way to the other side...all the best jokes are in the most profound places." [31:56]
• Soder shares the aftermath of his grandmother's death and the catharsis (and family navigation) of including real people in jokes.
• Insight into family reactions: the dicey process of performing jokes about loved ones who are present or involved in the stories.

4. Death, Guilt, and the Ethics of Mercy

[38:25–44:07]

• Dan jokes about contemplating euthanizing his grandmother’s blind and deaf dog ("Buddy"), steering the conversation to the awkwardness and moral quandaries around mercy, inconvenience, and the dignity of death for both humans and animals.
  • Dan (with brutal honesty): "I thought about killing it...I think this is the more merciful thing to do." [39:07]
  • Long, darkly comic back-and-forth about the practicalities (and possible farces) of attempting amateur mercy killing.

5. Dogs as Family & Power Dynamics

[47:07–51:27]

• Shared experiences raising and bonding with dogs, using the relationships as stand-ins for parenthood and marriage roles.
• Advice and stories about controlling/nurturing boundaries with pets, and the unique, often irrational emotional connections with animals.

6. Pootie Tang – The Movie that Wasn’t

[54:02–65:58]

• Soder asks about the experience of making "Pootie Tang." Louis shares inside stories about comic cameos (David Tell, Wanda Sykes, Chris Rock, JB Smoove, Todd Barry, etc.).
  • Louis: "Shooting it was pure joy. But when I cut it...I cut it linear...they hated it. I got fired from the movie, and they recut it..." [60:37]
• Paramount took the movie away from him, added narration and made it goofy, a far cry from his original vision.
  • Louis: "My cut was indefensible...they did a good job for what they were hired for. But a lot of people love the movie. That’s just my—I'm too close to it." [65:31]
• Reflections on early career failures, creative frustration, and what it taught him.

7. Open Mic Memories & the Strict Social Hierarchy of Comedy

[66:23–80:08]

• Soder recounts a cringe-inducing early-career story in which he awkwardly approaches Louis (already a hero) with ill-conceived comedy slang, only to be thoroughly misunderstood and laughed at by a young Joe List—a moment Soder says he’s carried for years.
  • Dan: "I told him the Village is working...for weeks after that, Joe was like, hey, Lou's around the corner. You want to go tell him the Village is working?" [73:21]
• Louis shares a similar tale from his youth with Jerry Seinfeld, lending intergenerational perspective on the cycles of comedy's social order.
• The “right of passage” in comedy: why established comics slap down overeager newcomers and the necessity of meanness.
  • Louis: "Comedians have a weird Darwin thing inside of us that we will slap guys down a little bit." [79:04]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "It's an incredibly cruel and terrible thing to do. Because if you think about what a family is supposed to be, you're supposed to be there...just kind of hold them." —Louis C.K. [06:42]
• "Pain is like a hole...the most profound places, that's where all the best jokes are." —Louis C.K. [31:56]
• "So many father-son relationships are so fucked up that specifically hits...even if you grew up with your dad and you guys liked each other, there's still probably some weirdness." —Dan Soder [23:19]
• "I probably won't be able to do it till he's dead." —Louis C.K. on fully talking about his father onstage [23:25]
• "Shooting it was pure joy. But they hated it...I got fired from the movie and they recut it." —Louis C.K. on 'Pootie Tang' [60:37]
• "Comedians have a weird Darwin thing inside of us that we will slap guys down a little bit." —Louis C.K. [79:04]
• "The village is working." —Dan Soder's misguided attempt to sound cool, now legendary among his friends [72:26]

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Important Timestamps

• [02:01–05:05]: Comedy special formats, influence of Pryor and Carlin, and audience adulation.
• [06:04–16:19]: Guilt, culture, and black comedy around elder care.
• [17:39–22:42]: Louis' story about visiting his father in a home, and the genesis of turning that pain into comedy.
• [23:25]: Why Louis feels he can’t perform the "granite/tombstone" bit until his father passes.
• [26:33–32:25]: Mourning mothers, using real pain for jokes, and family reactions.
• [38:25–44:07]: Mercy killing—the ethics (and comedy) of contemplating putting down an old pet.
• [54:02–65:58]: 'Pootie Tang' behind the scenes: cast, cuts, creative loss, and cult following.
• [66:23–80:08]: Open mic humiliations, mentorship, and the pecking order of comedians.

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Tone & Style Reflections

The conversation is deeply personal and honest, peppered with gallows humor, absurdist riffing, and inside-comedian shop talk. Both comics easily blend solemnity and wit, welcoming the listener into a raw exploration of life’s hardest realities—death, disappointment, parental resentment—while mining them for laughter and hard-won wisdom. The rapport is relaxed, respectful, and self-deprecating, typifying both men's comic sensibilities.

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For New Listeners

If you've never heard the show:

• Expect real emotional vulnerability mixed with laughter.
• If you want an unvarnished account of what it’s like to process pain, disgrace, or loss as a comic—and to hear masters turn it into fuel—this is a quintessential episode.
• You’ll also get a rich dose of comedy history from two generations, and insider looks at both stand-up process and the messily human lives behind it.

Transcript

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[Dan Soder]

Hey everybody, I am back on the road. July 16th through 18th, Stanford, Connecticut at New York Comedy Club. July 25th, added a late show club soda at Montreal for Just for laughs. And then July 31 and August 1, four shows at the Albany Funny Bone. All those tickets available@dan soto.com I'll see you there. Let's build this hour together. But it was cool seeing you film another special at the Beacon.

[Louis C.K.]

Were you. You were there, right?

[Dan Soder]

No, I didn't get to go. I was on the road.

[Louis C.K.]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Dan Soder]

But I talked to you right before you did it, and I thought it was really cool you're doing it because obviously this special ridiculous out now on Netflix. Go watch it. But you did hilarious there.

[Louis C.K.]

I did. No, I don't mean to point at you.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, I like that. But didn't you do Hilarious Beacon?

[Louis C.K.]

I did. Live at the Beacon.

[Dan Soder]

Live at the Beacon.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, that was my first.

[Dan Soder]

This is podcast Seppuku. Yeah, he's gonna. I'm gonna cut that out. Live at the Beacon. Edit that. Actually, le.

[Louis C.K.]

You're Right. I did do Live at the Beacon there.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Live at the Beacon was great. You walked up. That was like one of my favorite intros where you like walked through the front.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Entrance.

[Louis C.K.]

Through the front door.

[Dan Soder]

And it was funny watching people be like. Because that. This is. That's how much phones have progressively gotten worse.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And when you watch the intro of Live at the Beacon, people just let you walk in and a couple of people go, oh, hey, Louie. Yeah, where now they'd be like salvage.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, definitely.

[Dan Soder]

You got to like walk into a venue.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. It was really that, that when I, I shot the first one there because George Carlin had done one there and it was one of his best.

[Dan Soder]

I thought, have you done that?

[Louis C.K.]

He did. I mean, I stole the open from him and Prior. They both did that.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Just to come out on stage.

[Louis C.K.]

Come out. Prior went out with the lights are still up.

[Dan Soder]

That's my favorite.

[Louis C.K.]

People are running to their seats and

[Dan Soder]

then the guy comes up and with

[Louis C.K.]

a camera and he goes, get the out of here now.

[Dan Soder]

Take the picture.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And the breaks. Yeah, yeah, that's. He does the white people are in your.

[Louis C.K.]

Black people are in your seat seats. Crazy. So. But yeah, so he did that one and then Carlin did one where he walks off the street. I stole it. I love walks off the street from Broadway into. He put a little thing. He put a guy playing saxophone outside.

[Dan Soder]

So when you.

[Louis C.K.]

But he went out and he just immediately said. And people going crazy. But he's like telling them. He's just going to. He just wants to get to the first joke. He goes, have you ever noticed that a lot of the women at anti abortion rallies are women you wouldn't want to in the first place.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

First words out of his mouth.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

Just brush back pitch.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Just absolutely opening up again. It's punching right in the stomach so good. It didn't do a lot of fanfare of coming out and being like, no, no.

[Louis C.K.]

He just went. Got right to the joke. And so I, I took that from him. This special actually opens similarly just that I get. I. I say hello a tiny bit, but then I tell a joke right away.

[Dan Soder]

You also come in. What I liked what you did audio wise is it's the music is all you hear until you say hello.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Dan Soder]

It drops out right before then you go, hello. Yeah, I like that because there's something. I don't know if it's because I'm a comic when I watch specials and the crowd is too like. And the guy's like, thank you, thank you. You're like, just get to it now.

[Louis C.K.]

You don't want to watch somebody being adored by people that are in the room, because then you're. What the. Do you.

[Dan Soder]

That's rock stars. Yeah, that's what they get to do.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

They were open.

[Louis C.K.]

Not rock stars.

[Dan Soder]

No, we're clowns.

[Louis C.K.]

The comedy rock star thing, it's not good for the jokes.

[Dan Soder]

No, you're supposed to lose.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

You have to lose at every turn to come out. Go, I'm a idiot.

[Louis C.K.]

There is a set on YouTube I saw of Woody Allen in. On a TV show in Manchester, England. It's black and white and it's a little TV studio and they don't know who he is. And he's hanging on to the microphone stands, like the way, you know you do when you're young at it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

He's, like, hanging on to it and he's nervous and he's trying to get through to them. So when you see him start to win them over.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

It's like, that's fucking power, you know, that's great.

[Dan Soder]

It always. Comedy always reminded me of the roller rink when you'd be scared and you're, like, grabbing the wall.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And then you see, like, you're like one of those old black dudes that's going around clapping.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Popping up on this case a little bit.

[Dan Soder]

Casey in the Sunshine Band.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You're coming through with, like, light blue skates on. And I'm like, grabbing the side, being like, what the.

[Louis C.K.]

Is trying to fall down.

[Dan Soder]

Just don't fall down in front of the girls.

[Louis C.K.]

I still feel like that on stage a lot. I still at the Cellar. Especially when you start after doing a long after the special's done and you're starting up again.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, I. I loved the. Obviously, I've seen you do it a couple times, but I love the bit about your dad in a home because I had to put my grandma on one.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But my grandma's was medically induced. But yours is so. Because she broke her hip. But you. The joke is so great because it's like there's this feeling of when you come to that part in your life where you just kind of don't want.

[Louis C.K.]

You don't want to be around them.

[Dan Soder]

You don't want to be around it. You don't want to.

[Louis C.K.]

It's an incredibly cruel and terrible thing to do. Because if you think about what a family is supposed to be, you're supposed to be there you're supposed to be there. You're supposed to just kind of hold them. You're supposed to change your life.

[Dan Soder]

If I was a good family, it

[Louis C.K.]

ruins marriages, but it's supposed to like, you know, like my, my dad or my mom are, they're moving in and. And your wife is like, no, I don't want. I did. That's not what I signed up for. And you're like, well, feel however you want about it. It's happening. Like that's the way life was. It still isn't a lot of the world. Like I did though, that bit. I do that whenever I did that bit. I could see people relating. It's like the one bit they're not just laughing at. You see them looking at each other.

[Dan Soder]

They talk about it.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

Cuz I.

[Louis C.K.]

There's always one person. There's always be like a momish woman.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

With her hand over her mouth going, oh God. And her husband rubbing her back like, I know, I know, right?

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

But then I did it in like Saudi Arabia. And they didn't know what I was talking about. They didn't understand it.

[Dan Soder]

You killed your father. They say something way more brutal. When he cannot cut, you put him

[Louis C.K.]

on the desert and they comes pick out his eye.

[Dan Soder]

You let the hawk of time.

[Podcast Host]

Yes.

[Louis C.K.]

Eat it.

[Dan Soder]

That's always. This is. You throw away the brutality of other countries.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

With an American. Because you go, but I wanted to be warm and soft. And I go, it is done. This is not so you die.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. But no, I mean, the opposite is true. They, they, they couldn't get their head around it. I asked a few people about it while I was there. I was like, do you put your older people in a home away from you, in an institution? And they're like, what? No. They live in your house till they die.

[Dan Soder]

Honestly, you take care.

[Louis C.K.]

Especially then. That's when they need your care. That's when you pay them for everything they did.

[Dan Soder]

Some would argue that's the whole reason you have a family.

[Louis C.K.]

That's the whole reason.

[Dan Soder]

It used to be farmers needed people to work the crops.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

And also take care of them when they die.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes. The person who got you from infancy to adulthood, you're not gonna let them have just a few years to just. And also have your kids have access

[Dan Soder]

to them and stories, what they remember

[Louis C.K.]

and let them feel loved. But it was like asking people the same thing in India. And although in India it's, it's. They told me some, some of us do it now because they got some Money. It's. Yeah, I guess it's changing money.

[Dan Soder]

And they go like, so I pay this.

[Louis C.K.]

I mean, everybody does it more than they admit to it, but. But it was like saying to somebody, don't. When your children turn 12, don't you take. Cut off their hands and eat their hands just because.

[Dan Soder]

And they were like, why would I do that? I love my child.

[Louis C.K.]

And I'm like, oh, that's. We do that all over in America.

[Dan Soder]

We have hand soup.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

We have birthday. Mine was. I was My grandmother's primary care.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Because my dad's whole family's dead, so I was, like, kind of helping her out. She was in her 90s, and then she got Covid.

[Louis C.K.]

Dad whole. Your dad's whole family is dead.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Everyone's wiped out.

[Louis C.K.]

It's pretty cool you're in your dad's family.

[Dan Soder]

Who do you think did all the wiping out a broadsword face? Me, father. That's the way. That's the one. That's what every man truly wants, is to kill his father in a sword fight.

[Louis C.K.]

I would love to kill.

[Dan Soder]

How much you would be complete.

[Louis C.K.]

I don't need a fight. I would just like him to just stand there now.

[Dan Soder]

And I would just like that Jamaica nurse from the joke. She goes, you need to hold your sword. Your boy can't fight you unless you hold the sword. What are you doing?

[Louis C.K.]

Oh, that's the Jamaican nurse.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. From your joke.

[Louis C.K.]

Your son want to kill you now with the sword. Do you hear me?

[Dan Soder]

It's time for your duel. Get up. I brought you your favorite sword.

[Louis C.K.]

Hey, what you doing? Put on your sweater and pick up your sword.

[Dan Soder]

Don't forget you're having mashed potatoes tonight. If you win. And then you go out.

[Louis C.K.]

And it is amazing when you go see them.

[Dan Soder]

It sucks.

[Louis C.K.]

And the Jamaican people that take care of them. And as you leave, you go like, but. And they're like, yeah, just go. So just go and leave.

[Dan Soder]

I'm talking about. I'm coming from the bay. Bay area. Oh, so it was all Filipinos.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That's who. That's everyone like. Like, you know, I'm hitting them with a little Tagalog on the way out, you know Tagalog? That's Filipino. That's what they speak. So you're like, I don't really know any. I used to work in Alaska. And they would always be like, I'll teach you Tagalog. And I was like, the fact that I just know that word. Yeah, that's enough for me. I'm good.

[Louis C.K.]

That's good. That's enough. Tagalog. It's the name of the Tagalog. I need to know is the name of the language.

[Dan Soder]

And then the most American thing is, you go, yeah. And now I'm out. Done. But when I would leave, they would be like, yeah. Because I would do like a ceremoniously like, okay, so I'm gonna leave.

[Louis C.K.]

Oh, you're great. Your father, your grandmother.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. And they'd be like, yeah, bye.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. Last time I saw my dad, I felt bad because I didn't stay very long. And as they. But as I was leaving, they were pushing him up to his little food.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And he was like, oh. And I was like, he's fine.

[Dan Soder]

She doesn't give a.

[Louis C.K.]

Never needs to see me. She.

[Dan Soder]

My grandma stayed. So I didn't realize this about my grandma until right before she died.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

We found a bunch of old pictures, but she was an old hot girl, so it was interesting to watch her be like.

[Louis C.K.]

Like, what age was she hot?

[Dan Soder]

Like through her 40s. Like, she was a good looking lady. But watching her still be a kind of a hot girl at 96, where I was like, you know, she's in the home for a while and we're like, what can we bring you? And she's like, a brush because I want my hair to look nice.

[Louis C.K.]

And you're like, oh, damn, you're holding grandma. That's not going to make your hair look nice.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. I go, nana, it is. You look like a skeleton. Yeah, yeah. It was. I think the hardest part was I felt like I had helped her for so long that she got Covid and she went to the hospital and I talked to the doctor and I was like, selfishly, right.

[Louis C.K.]

I can't go in. Right.

[Dan Soder]

I go, this is where we send her to a home.

[Louis C.K.]

Right, Right.

[Dan Soder]

I remember where I was. It was at wise guys at Salt Lake City.

[Louis C.K.]

You took care of her at home?

[Dan Soder]

Well, she was living. She would refuse to move. She was like, I live by myself.

[Louis C.K.]

You can make her.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, yeah. I muscle her out. But she was doing. She was fine. She was living fine. She'd have to get driven places. Neighbors were driving to the grocery store, but she was fine. And then she got Covid into the doctor. I was like, so time.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Anyway, no, what I found is, is patients over 91 that are still doing okay when they come out of the hospital, bring them back to their home, and then they know where everything is so they can operate alone. She got five more years. So I was like, incredible. Like Michael Myers. I was like, it's over. Yeah, it's over. Then she just sat back up and

[Louis C.K.]

you're the guy from snl.

[Dan Soder]

No, not the fun Canadian career. No, that's coming back to. I'm talking about the homicidal maniac. Not the. Not the brilliant Austin Powers.

[Louis C.K.]

No. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

She's like, don't make you only like. Well, my friends. But I think you're right about moving them in and your kids get to learn off them.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, but by the way, I didn't do that.

[Dan Soder]

No.

[Louis C.K.]

No.

[Dan Soder]

Oh my God. No. This is. No, that's. It's like you're my mom.

[Louis C.K.]

My mom. We kept her at home. She got cancer, so she didn't live. She was 79 when she died. And so we took turns having her at home.

[Dan Soder]

Okay. Like you would switch her out.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, different. It was a little. I probably took a year off her life moving her around a little.

[Dan Soder]

It's like an exhibit.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, it's like a very moving exhibit. Like those basketball. Basketball players with. Yeah, that's what we did. We skinned her and glazed her.

[Dan Soder]

We ever doing different athletic poses. And my daughter came over.

[Louis C.K.]

We had her slammed downwards.

[Dan Soder]

Different life lessons. It's her knitting. Yeah, like grandma stuff. Oh look, she's making her favorite soup.

[Louis C.K.]

That's right.

[Dan Soder]

It's just the muscle.

[Louis C.K.]

The muscle.

[Dan Soder]

The muscle of her dipping a ladle the teeth. I bet in China if you did that joke. If you would have done that joke in China they go. Well, we just give it to the body exhibit.

[Louis C.K.]

Sure.

[Dan Soder]

You don't even. They can be in there for.

[Louis C.K.]

I did do it in China. Well in Hong Kong anyway.

[Dan Soder]

You did.

[Louis C.K.]

She was there. But. But anyway. Yeah, my mom. We sent her. We were all with her. But my dad, he's hanging on too long. He wants to live longer. And nobody's hit the interest in him tapped out is that he's living longer than people give a to be. Want to be around him.

[Dan Soder]

And I believe the. The thing is never overstay your welcome.

[Louis C.K.]

He's overstayed his welcome on this planet by a lot has.

[Dan Soder]

Is that reflective of his personality from when you were younger? Like you just see it where you go. I. I should have known you were gonna live too long.

[Louis C.K.]

No, he's. He. And by the way, whatever. You know, last time I went to see him is when this bit was born. Because I went to see him. The thing that really happened was I went to. I went in his room. I hadn't seen him for about a year and he looked at me, like, hello. And I was like, hi. And he was like, yeah. And I said, I'm Louie, your son. And he's like, not picking up on this. And he doesn't really have, like a real big. He has sort of come and go dementia.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

But not. Not. That's not the main feature of him.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

So I was like, louie. And he didn't. He was sort of being polite, like, hello. And so I said, I'm gonna come in and sit with you for a while. And he was like, you are? Like, it was so. I felt creepy.

[Dan Soder]

Like, yeah, you're like hitting on your.

[Louis C.K.]

It's like if I went into a. A total stranger's room.

[Dan Soder]

Hello.

[Louis C.K.]

And said, hi, I'm gonna come and sit with you. And he's like, yeah, yeah. Like, okay.

[Dan Soder]

I was just thinking about the Korean War. I don't need you. I don't know what you're doing.

[Louis C.K.]

But I. So I start. I start trying to explain to him who I am. I showed him a picture. My sister told me, you show him pictures, it brings it back, you know.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

So I showed him a picture of him and my mom, and I said, who. What is. He goes, that's my wedding day. That's my. My ex wife. Which they were divorced, but, yeah, I showed him the whole family. He goes, it's my family.

[Dan Soder]

You know what? Right.

[Louis C.K.]

And I go, who's that at the end? He goes, it's my son. And I go, that's me. And he's like. He was like. He selectively. Dementia me out of his memory. Like, I kept talking to him about our family, our history, but he just was skipping over me and I was like, I am here. I am. It was pissing me off.

[Dan Soder]

Yes.

[Louis C.K.]

He seemed lucid.

[Dan Soder]

And he doesn't do that with your sisters.

[Louis C.K.]

No, he's a little on and off, but not like that.

[Dan Soder]

But he locks in sometimes.

[Louis C.K.]

He locks in once in a while. And. And so I was just. I was getting really uncomfortable and pissed.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And so I said, I figured I'm not going to see him again. I said, I'm going to say some things to you, whether you know who I am or not, that I want to say.

[Dan Soder]

But that's good for you.

[Louis C.K.]

It was like talking to the. To the granite, to the tombstone, like the way you sit and talk to it. It was like that. And he's looking at me and I'm going telling them things I feel about what happened when I was a kid and I started to cry and he fell asleep, so I Got up to leave.

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[Louis C.K.]

as I left, I had a.

[Dan Soder]

That is just as someone that has struggled with dad issues his entire life and had him watch Die when I was young. This makes me feel so much better. He died when I was 14.

[Louis C.K.]

Oh, no.

[Dan Soder]

It's like. Because I can't imagine all the things that I've worked through in therapy of, like, things I would have said to him if I had this opportunity. And I went. And I just want to let you know you gave up on Michelle. You gave. I would fight him. That you should challenge him. The sword fight should happen.

[Louis C.K.]

So I got up to leave.

[Dan Soder]

He's selling the fight.

[Louis C.K.]

I got up to leave and. And I had a snotty tissue and I dropped it on his floor. And the room is so quiet.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Deathly quiet.

[Louis C.K.]

And I bend over to pick it up and I feel gross. And I look over and he's just watching me pick up the tissue. And that moment was the most humiliating moment of my. Like, it's the worst I've ever felt. You.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. You cried and filled the tissue with snot. And your dad was like, it picked that up.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. So I wanted to tell that story on stage. Initially, I was like, this story, there's something really big here. I want to tell it. And I would start to tell it, but I would walk slow to it by describing the place he's at. And the one thing that really did happen, which was there was a lady urgently saying to me, please help me. A lady in a wheelchair, a guy that worked there. This lady needs help. And he just went like that. That. That happened on the way into his room. So I started with that story and I kept explaining the place and explaining the context of the place.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

To say what happened with my dad. Yeah. I couldn't tell the story. I. I kept setting the scene, but when I got to it, I couldn't really tell the story. Why? What? Because it was too. It was too painful. I couldn't. I knew that it's so painful that it must be a great bit, but I couldn't, is that I just failed as a comic, I don't think. Well, I turned. I mean, it turned into the. It's like an oyster, like with the.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

The pearl. Because it. To cover the real pain.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

I. I mean, that's. I think it might be the longest bit I ever did. In a special, it's like 13 minutes on one subject. I've never really done something that long that I can remember anything anyway. I haven't checked.

[Dan Soder]

But comedically, is it still on the table? That's my question to you. Is there a way where you don't. You've, you've. So you've described the place and that became the bit you describe, you know, which, which a lot of people think. But I think like something is deep as that or something is like any man that's had it and every man has a dad.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

So many father son relationships are so up.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That specifically hits. If you. Even if you grew up with your dad and you guys liked each other, there's still probably some weirdness.

[Louis C.K.]

I probably won't be able to do it till he's dead.

[Dan Soder]

So that was the thing I wanted to talk to you about because my grandma died so that when I, When I. Yeah, it's fine. But she was also. That's the whole joke is she died when she was 97. And I. In the special, I joke, sorry, the phone call is kind of like, hey, it's done. Yeah, it's over. Because I've lost people young and that's

[Louis C.K.]

like when they tell you you closed on your apartment or whatever, you're like,

[Dan Soder]

congratulations, you pick up the keys on Monday.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

No, it's big.

[Louis C.K.]

It's big.

[Dan Soder]

What's funny is Shane was here when she died. Shane had hosted SNL for the first time and then was in the city. So we came over and we were watching TV and then I got a call from it and I went, hold on. They got a fucking. My grandma. And then I went. And I just came and took the call and sat back down. I was like, my grandma died. And I swear back to the tv. And both Katie and Shane were like, what the fuck? And I'm like, she's 97.

[Louis C.K.]

97.

[Dan Soder]

I don't know what you want. I don't know.

[Louis C.K.]

Not a moment too soon.

[Dan Soder]

But my question to you is as obviously as someone that's influenced my entire generation with stand up, especially with the personal level of it, you know, of you like talking about people that are living. It's. How much easier is it to talk about when people are dead? Well, yes, I've done a ton of dad jokes and I wouldn't have had the balls if I would have known

[Louis C.K.]

that because living there, hearing them. Well, like, I don't know if my dad, I don't think he sees the material. I don't think he'll see this bit.

[Dan Soder]

Sure. Unless your sister's hilarious.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

She gets him to be lucid. Remember that crying you made fun of? There you go. You had a whole thing about.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But he. He. His presence on Earth is not what makes it difficult. Like, what would he say? I guess when somebody dies, the book is closed. Their whole story's been told, game's over. So you can really. Because there's always a chance with everybody. There's. It's never too late. Like, people take turns. All people become different people during their lifetime. But once you're dead, it's done. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And I would also say that's probably one of the worst things about losing someone young is because you feel like the game ended quick, where you go, we didn't have a chance to come back around and change.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, that's right.

[Dan Soder]

But joke writing wise, you go.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, we go editorial. Most of my jokes about my mom are about her being dead, about her death. Her death was a big deal to me. I was very close to my mom, and she died in 2019, and, you know, I wasn't. She wasn't that old. Yeah. And so it was dramatic, and it was a big loss. And she has had kind of like an Obi Wan Kenobi presence in my life since then. Like, she's more omniscient.

[Dan Soder]

Sure. And you think about kind of what she would think situation.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. She's always there in a sense. And more than back when she was alive, I'm like, I should call Mom. You know what I mean? Like, you kind of actually corner your parents into a place when they're alive because it's such an overwhelming presence that you're like, I can't think about mom right now because I haven't called her in about a month. And I feel like. So I'm not gonna think about her.

[Dan Soder]

And you feel bad for not visiting.

[Louis C.K.]

I don't have to call her at all. So I can think about her freely. I can feel her spirit more freely. Because there's no guilt involved.

[Dan Soder]

When you do a joke about, you know. Because you do a joke both about your mom dying and about your dad being in the home with your sisters. Do they talk to you about your material? Are they ever like, no, I'm.

[Louis C.K.]

I mean, my sisters saw. They're living that with me. And of course, also, I exaggerate everything. And everything's. You know, it's a joke. There's all sorts of love and small need and pain inside of the reality. Of it. My, my. I have one sister who really is the most. That takes care of him the most. Makes sure he's got everything to he needs.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

And it's really hard for her. She's really suffering.

[Dan Soder]

So. She's not. When she sees that joke. Versus your other sister who maybe has. Has more of a relationship like you do, where you go. I gotta visit him once in a while.

[Louis C.K.]

I think they. I mean, they just. They also. They've made an adjustment in general. I've been doing this since I was 18.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

So my sisters always go, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I did jokes when my mom died. I came up with a joke 10 seconds later that I did. But I. We were all in the hallway of the hospice and we were crying. My mom was in this room. We had spent the day with her.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

In with her body. And my mom had very strict wishes about just wanting to be cremated right away. Not with anyone there.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

But. So this kid. Can I do I do a bit about it? But this kid showed up and. And he said, I'm here to take your mom. And he was like a sweet. But he's like a working class kid from the crematorium in Boston. Yeah. Where they burn bums and dogs.

[Dan Soder]

We gotta take your mom.

[Louis C.K.]

You gotta take your mom. I'm sorry for your loss, buddy. Here to take your mom.

[Dan Soder]

Listen, we found a fucking pack of dogs in the back alley.

[Louis C.K.]

He's got a black bag. Oh, that's like kind of silk Percy looking, but it's probably been used a number of times. And you just edit this out of what you're. And you just go, okay. And he goes, I'm gonna be. I've got to get her ready. Which means, you know, he has to take a woman's body and like.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, yeah. And they go like, nah. Hey, yeah, how about them?

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

And he goes, yeah, we're on a skid. Shut up. Yeah, yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

He's in there with her and. And we're all crying in a ball.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And it hits me. He's been in there for a while. You're like, I really hope he's not my mom.

[Dan Soder]

That's really funny.

[Louis C.K.]

I don't if he is.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, that really is comedy brain.

[Louis C.K.]

Nothing I can do about it.

[Dan Soder]

What am I gonna.

[Louis C.K.]

Nothing I can do about it. But yeah. Anyway, then he. We. The only ceremony was we follow. He put her. He had this black bag with her in it and he put her. And he was in a minivan with like a. With like a half bottle of Red Gatorade in the back. You know what I mean? And, like, a sweatshirt.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And he put her in there.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

But whatever. So that. That a few hours later, we all had dinner, and I. And I told my sisters all those jokes with it, and they all laughed. So they're.

[Dan Soder]

They're in the moment with you.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes. And we're a family, and they know me, and that's been. That's my role in the family, which

[Dan Soder]

is a great feeling. It is a great feeling because, you know, a lot of my cousins came together when my grandma died. We haven't spoken. We haven't really been close. And my cousin Lisa, who. I have a long bit in the special about who is at the taping. Right. Talk about her in a way that I love her.

[Louis C.K.]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

But it's a joke where I got nervous the first time she saw it.

[Louis C.K.]

Sure.

[Dan Soder]

And I told her kids, I go, I have this joke about your mom.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I'm close with her kids. And then I said the joke to her oldest son, and he goes, nailed it. And I went, all right, so it's cool.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, I don't think. And he said, here's what's gonna happen, because I did the joke at the show at the Stateside Theater in Columbus, where I was like. Or the South Theater. I was like, hey, I'm gonna. I'm gonna do the joke tonight. And I just want to know your mom's reaction. And her oldest son, Zach, goes, here's how it's gonna go. She's gonna laugh. She's gonna call you a couple days later.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Nailed it.

[Louis C.K.]

It's exactly what happened.

[Dan Soder]

Exactly.

[Louis C.K.]

Because she's gonna enjoy it. She's gonna feel pink and happy that she's featured in your life.

[Dan Soder]

And then she called back, and she was like.

[Louis C.K.]

But then she's not gonna not take the opportunity. Like, some people, even if they're not hurt, they're like, I get to be hurt. Like, it's like, I got a coupon for that. I'm gonna use it. I'm not gonna not use it.

[Dan Soder]

Which I've experienced with other people in my life. But the way she reacted to it was MVP level. She just came in, she was awesome at the special taping, she was like, you got a joke coming about me. And then you realize telling jokes about living people.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Way harder than about dead people.

[Louis C.K.]

Sure.

[Dan Soder]

It is because of that. Because they get a couple days to think about it.

[Louis C.K.]

And. That's. Right. And also, your relationship with those people is. Is evolving.

[Dan Soder]

And if you Pull out a cease and desist from Lisa because actually spoke to her recently. That's gonna see the day of life. Because I have here. I have here a thing that says you legally are binded to not do that joke.

[Louis C.K.]

Getting a cough.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, get it? Yeah. I think I was interested about that to know if your sisters, like, see that and if they go, like, yeah,

[Louis C.K.]

that's as far as I know, they're okay with it. And again, it's like, that's the. That's the way I've always processed life. And, you know, since my mom died, I keep doing jokes about her being dead. Like, really dark jokes, really inappropriate jokes about her death. Because it's the most important loss of my life.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And so that's right. I feel like the thing is that pain is like a hole that it causes a hole in your life. And you can see all the way inside. Through it, you can see all the way to the other side. You can see everything. So when you. A very painful thing happens to you, if you're willing to really look at it, you see really. You see forever in there. And there's so many jokes in there. So all the best jokes are in the most profound places. So I keep going to that.

[Dan Soder]

I would attribute the quote incorrectly, but there's a musician who's had something like, his father died, and then his wife died, and then something really bad happened, and then he kept playing, and they

[Louis C.K.]

said he was like, platinum album.

[Dan Soder]

He's like, oh, watch this. But they said, oh, does that inspire you? Does that, like, make you inspired to go make music? And he said, no. What it is, is their loss has left a hole inside of me. And like an instrument, I feel it in the music sounds different because of that.

[Louis C.K.]

That's right. That's a really good way to put it. It's like a cave.

[Dan Soder]

It is. And it creates like an acoustic on a situation for how you feel about it, where you go, like. Like, you know, I've in. In my specials talked about my dad being dead. And sometimes you get people that go, all right, we got it. Your dad's dead.

[Louis C.K.]

Right?

[Dan Soder]

But then there's people with dead dads who go like, yeah, I think that same thing. And you go. And that's kind of what you're talking about with the home, where you want to say a joke where people go like, this is.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Because similarly with my grandma, while it was happening, I was writing jokes, right? Saying him to Lisa, because we were in together. I go, this is crazy. There was one point where A nurse. Because this was a. A. A facility to, like. It was a rehab facility slash home.

[Louis C.K.]

She was a drug addict.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Big heroin user. Which she could rock. Put her on a Stratocast. Give her a slide guitar in the home. No, but she. We were standing in the hallway and the nurse was, like, giving me the schedule where they go Mondays, we do arts and crafts and we're talking, and across the hallway, there's just an old man going, I wanna go home. I wanna go home. She's going like, this. Tuesdays are movie nights. She, like, didn't even.

[Louis C.K.]

Didn't even know. That's what it's like.

[Dan Soder]

It didn't even take her out. She was just like, no.

[Louis C.K.]

Every time my sister calls me and she's like, you know, they're not looking after his hearing aids or they're like, he's having a pain and they haven't done any imaging. I'm like, he's there to die.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. That's what you said.

[Louis C.K.]

He's there to die. Yeah. It's like if you were the last place you bury somebody in a cemetery, and then you call the people around the cemetery and go, like, is he getting anything to eat?

[Dan Soder]

Do you play box over the plot and play his favorite?

[Louis C.K.]

What are you talking about? Yeah, they're dead in there.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

I mean, the thing is that life, we have the. This weird thing about hanging on to it when it's not worth living anymore for other people.

[Dan Soder]

Well, that's what it is.

[Louis C.K.]

Make them sit there and.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Our mortality is tied to them.

[Louis C.K.]

It's. Yeah, we don't want to. We don't want to. We don't want to let them go

[Dan Soder]

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[Dan Soder]

My grandma Had a dog, Buddy, that was blind and deaf, and she just, like, loved the thing. And I was like, this is like 10 years ago.

[Louis C.K.]

I was like, nanny can't hear you and he can't see you.

[Dan Soder]

And I had a joke that his. His just a whole life was Metallica's one video where he's just like, no sight, no sounds like, johnny, get your gun. Like, hello, Hello. And there was a moment where I love dogs, and he bumped against me and I went, oh, like. And I loved Buddy.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But he bumped against me and I

[Louis C.K.]

went, oh, yeah, he's gross now.

[Dan Soder]

And then my grandma took the, you know, the seat up the stairs to go to bed.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

She just would leave Buddy down there. And there was this moment I told Katie, I was like, she wasn't with me, but I was like. I thought about killing it.

[Louis C.K.]

Sure.

[Dan Soder]

I thought about going. I think this is the more merciful thing to do. To the. Meanwhile, the things like. Just like a broken fucking Roomba.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Going like. Just like making its way around the room. And I just fucking grabbed this pillow. Like, grabbed it in a way where I was like, I might fucking do this.

[Louis C.K.]

You didn't do it, did you?

[Dan Soder]

No.

[Louis C.K.]

And I went, so what stopped you? Because it wouldn't have been wrong. She's up there. He won't see it come and he won't hear it coming.

[Dan Soder]

Tell you the real reason. Inconvenience. I was leaving the next day, and I just wanted to go home, and I didn't want to have to go, like, by the way, hey, I killed Buddy. And also, I. I probably would have cracked at some point and gone, I killed Buddy.

[Louis C.K.]

It's really hard to take. I mean, I don't. I'm speaking without experience. Never taken a life outside of, you know, millions of.

[Dan Soder]

Of bugs that I'm in your community. You're big. Yeah. They know you.

[Louis C.K.]

So many bugs. I'm Mosquito Hitler.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, my God, you're. Yeah, worse, like, mixed so many with, like, Mussolini.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Bugs. Look at you. And they go. His speeches. That's what your specials are to them. Or the Hitler speeches.

[Louis C.K.]

That's right.

[Dan Soder]

But for bugs and mosquitoes.

[Louis C.K.]

And they're all in bunkers like this piece. Just leave us alone.

[Dan Soder]

Just. Will you leave us alone?

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, but stay out of my life. Stay out of my life.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Quit flying.

[Louis C.K.]

I don't go looking for mosquitoes to kill.

[Dan Soder]

No. I open my window. You come to my house.

[Louis C.K.]

You just make me itch.

[Dan Soder]

You're dead. You're sucking my blood because you made

[Louis C.K.]

me Itch for a second.

[Dan Soder]

Just a second while I was having a conversation where I went, oh, and you're. By the way, not a simple death.

[Louis C.K.]

No. A total.

[Dan Soder]

Just explosion.

[Louis C.K.]

Of matching. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Of everything. If something came down and swatted you right now, and me and Mike were just covered in blood, and we were like.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And then I saw the hand go up and then go, like, dating's weird. And do, like, a joke. I'm like, this piece of. Yeah, this. But, yeah. Killing buddy, I think would have been. I think I could have done it.

[Louis C.K.]

And so really take yourself through it. How do you do it?

[Dan Soder]

First of all, I'll tell you what I do, is there is a moment.

[Louis C.K.]

Pillow is not gonna do it.

[Dan Soder]

Pillow do it?

[Louis C.K.]

No, he's a.

[Dan Soder]

He's a shih Tzu. I could.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, but he's gonna. You ever try to just give brother a pill to a dog? Just try to give a dog a pill.

[Dan Soder]

But if I push down.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I hope my dog can't hear this.

[Louis C.K.]

Wait, so is that how you would have done it, or how would have you done it?

[Dan Soder]

Well, I could have gone like the mighty Navajo and just swung them against a rock like they would do.

[Louis C.K.]

When they're, like, by the legs.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. That's where they would do a lot of. I think it was the Comanches. When they would raid a village, they would take the children. Yeah. They would take the babies and bang them against rocks. And then they would take. No problem, 2 to 6 would become Comanche. They just go, you're Comanche now. Come on. And then the kids under that to go are killing you. You're a problem. I think I would have had to pump myself up, right?

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I got news for.

[Louis C.K.]

Need adrenaline.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. I'd have to go, like. And then I'd have to look at him and go up. It would be a mix of anger and sad. Where I'd go, I don't want to do this.

[Louis C.K.]

And you're inside the house.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, we're in the townhouse. My grandma's upstairs, none the wiser.

[Louis C.K.]

But you're gonna make a mess in the kitchen.

[Dan Soder]

Make a mess. He's suffocating.

[Louis C.K.]

Okay, so it is the pillow.

[Dan Soder]

It's pillow in the living room. And I come up from the top

[Louis C.K.]

down on it, but I'm just not catching it because it's like the top of his head like this. Like, how are you getting. How are you getting this?

[Dan Soder]

That's a very good question. And honestly, can I tell you.

[Louis C.K.]

Easy, man.

[Dan Soder]

As I'm working my way through this, I go.

[Louis C.K.]

A creature that's being killed.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. We'll fight.

[Louis C.K.]

Will fight. Well, you're gonna get. He starts biting you. Now you're in a fight.

[Dan Soder]

Knock.

[Louis C.K.]

Oh.

[Dan Soder]

If that. I'll tell you right now, if that came for me and tried to bite me.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I think he's catching a size 13 to the back. Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

But again, I mean, take yourself through it. He's still. He's howling.

[Dan Soder]

Okay.

[Louis C.K.]

Your grandma's like, what's going on?

[Dan Soder]

Danny, Danny, go to bed.

[Louis C.K.]

Blood everywhere. Dog teeth everywhere.

[Dan Soder]

Nana, go to bed.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You know what? I do.

[Louis C.K.]

She's dead by the end of the story.

[Dan Soder]

God, that would have saved me. I mean, that would have been in about 40.

[Louis C.K.]

She comes. She comes. Just tumbling because she tries to walk.

[Dan Soder]

And then I got both of them.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And then you know what I do? I take him. I put him on her throat.

[Louis C.K.]

Ah.

[Dan Soder]

Get rid of my finger.

[Louis C.K.]

Murder, suicide.

[Dan Soder]

Murder, suicide. I'm out the door. But honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, I thought the pillow would have been an easy way, but you're right.

[Louis C.K.]

No, man, that's what I'm saying. You got to take yourself through stuff.

[Dan Soder]

He was there. He saw where my grandma lived. She lives next to that lake. So here's what I'm thinking. He maybe weighs 13 pounds. I still got an arm on me.

[Louis C.K.]

Okay.

[Dan Soder]

I go throw him in the lake. Yeah. Bye.

[Louis C.K.]

I like that.

[Dan Soder]

Bye. He's going to the bottom. That dog's blind.

[Louis C.K.]

When I was. I think I did this bit on stage once, but I. I had a dog when I was a kid. Ticket. And we got him when I was like, 11, so more like later. And.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

You know, and actually, I was living here when he died. We. I went back home because we had to put him to sleep because he had a tumor that was like his whole face.

[Dan Soder]

Remember that? You did that on an old special about. It's the joke about getting. You get something that you know is going to die.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. So there's that bit. But the thing is, when he died, we put him to sleep and, you know, we took him to a doctor's office. They inject him with.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

They shave his arm and they. And then he's dead. And. And you leave. We're like. We just left him there. So they do the doctor. The dog.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Taxidermies him.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. So I. From what I understood, he was just going to be in a mass grave of dogs. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That is.

[Louis C.K.]

So it's just big pile of dogs.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And I had a dream that he woke up in the pile. Like, somehow they. They didn't give him enough.

[Dan Soder]

I remember you doing this.

[Louis C.K.]

And then he crawled out from, like, a rainstorm. Dead dogs. And then he came to the door.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, my God.

[Louis C.K.]

And there he was again. And we're like, ticket. You made it. And then immediately we're like, we gotta do it again.

[Podcast Host]

Buddy.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. If I did that with Buddy.

[Louis C.K.]

You still have cancer.

[Dan Soder]

If I would have thrown in the lake.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And then came back out and, like, you know, wake up in the morning, go brush my teeth. And then the carpet's wet.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Like I said, somewhere in the carpet wet. And I go, no. And I go downstairs, and she's like, buddy got in the water last night. And you're like, so.

[Louis C.K.]

No. What would happen is you throw them.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

You hear splash. And then you hear. You just hear him, like,

[Dan Soder]

in the way he gets back.

[Louis C.K.]

Right back to.

[Dan Soder]

Son of a. I'm glad I just waited. Her other dog. So when she. So she got, like, another old dog, like, come on, Grandma. I know, I know. And then she broke her hip. That's when we put her in the facility.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And the dog. I was like, what do you want to do with the dog? And her neighbor was like, I don't know. I gave it to the vet. And I went, all right.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, I don't need to. And I went, don't need to.

[Dan Soder]

I deleted all the numbers. I live in New York. Good luck finding me.

[Louis C.K.]

Whatever.

[Dan Soder]

What, are you going to fly to LaGuardia and come get the out of here?

[Louis C.K.]

When I was divorced, we had a dog, and we had a really tricky thing with, like, sharing custody of the kids who were little.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And this big dog. 70 pound dog.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And I told my mom the dog is a really difficult part of this situation. And my mom said, oh, don't worry. That dog will die soon. I was like, what?

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

She said, the dog knows that she has no place anymore. She'll find her way out. It was the craziest thing she'd ever said to me, but I think it was. Within a month, my dog ran in front of a pickup truck.

[Dan Soder]

Just ended. It was like, hey, you guys. You guys broke up the home I lived in. She's like, this dude, I'm on my way out. That is crazy. My dog, when I was.

[Louis C.K.]

I loved that dog, too.

[Dan Soder]

I know. Was that your number one of all time?

[Louis C.K.]

Well, my dog now, I think is my dog. Rosie.

[Dan Soder]

They're alive.

[Louis C.K.]

She doesn't watch your show.

[Dan Soder]

She should. Rosie, subscribe.

[Louis C.K.]

She watches Tucker Carlson.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, dude. Why is that? Why is the favorite dog? And honestly, he's kind of on a.

[Louis C.K.]

It's a really good dog. So interesting.

[Dan Soder]

And I'm not gonna lie, he's kind of on. He's on one right now. So she's. She's picking up tuck at the right time.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, she's doing pretty good.

[Dan Soder]

I have a thing because. Because this is Katie's first dog and we love Myrtle. Myrtle's great. It's my fiance. Yeah. And I.

[Louis C.K.]

But she's still your girlfriend too, right?

[Dan Soder]

No, no. I feel like she's like bride in waiting. You know, she's been bumped up. She's like comfort plus on an airplane.

[Louis C.K.]

She's not president elect.

[Dan Soder]

Yes, that's exactly. She's wife elect. He. She will always go like, ed, Myrtle's the best dog of all time. And I go, Montana has a word. That was my dog when I was growing up. Yeah. And he was the greatest dog of all time to the point that I came back from college, was there for winter, for Christmas. He was old. He was all white faced. Golden retriever. I left. He died the next day. What a good dog.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

He was like, you're out of here. I'll get.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. Luna was great. Luna was. Why A little wild. She looked like a little wolf and she was German shepherd. Airedale mix.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, that's a cool mix. My mom's got an Airedale and big dogs.

[Louis C.K.]

They're big.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And she was. We were kind of unequal. I was definitely in charge, but she was, you know, she had agency.

[Dan Soder]

That's what this one does.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, you have to.

[Dan Soder]

This one does where I go. I let this dog have too much control.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. Because also Luna was a rescue. And I think she had a hard life. But one thing I learned right away, because I went. Took her to a vet and she had. Had had something in her teeth and she was snapping when I. And he said, you can't have her. Let her have those boundaries. And so I would just put my hand in her mouth all the time. I would just go like this to her gums.

[Dan Soder]

And she's just like.

[Louis C.K.]

I'm like, yeah, don't forget. Don't forget. By the way, that's good to do with your girlfriend.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. I go, get in here. I go, what is this? I was holding her tongue.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Stop it. Also, what the are you doing?

[Louis C.K.]

I'm just letting you know. Just don't forget.

[Dan Soder]

No, this is the agency that I have.

[Louis C.K.]

That's what it was like with Luna.

[Dan Soder]

I Take food out of her mouth.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I go, what is it? What are you eating? No.

[Louis C.K.]

One time I was walking Luna in Venice, where we used to live, and there was a piece of. With broken glass stuck in it, and we saw it at the same time, and I was like, don't do it. Gobbled it up. I've got to get it out of her mouth. It's gonna kill her.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And I'm holding her mouth open, and I'm trying to take and broken glass, and she's going. She wants it. And I had blood. I don't know whose blood. It was insane.

[Dan Soder]

And did you. I mean, because also, I think my

[Louis C.K.]

daughter was in a stroller, too.

[Dan Soder]

And you're, like, afraid. You're like, did she swallow shit or.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Can I tell you the worst part about having a dog in Manhattan is how many times we turn a corner and my dog just sees a piece of pizza. She's like, great back. And. And so what I'll be doing is sometimes it'll be smaller. She'll just eat a Kleenex.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And she'll eat it, and then I'll be pulling it out of her mouth,

[Louis C.K.]

and it'll be in front of it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. It'll be on, like, Fifth Avenue and 30th Street. And someone will go, dan Soter. And you go, hey, hey. I'm just reaching in her mouth. Hey, man, nice to meet you. I saw you at the Cellar last night. You go, great.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

The.

[Louis C.K.]

And she's like, you're touching crack addict.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, I'm just holding a thing of my dog now.

[Louis C.K.]

Does. Doesn't do that. She doesn't really. She's so docile and compliant, even if she doesn't. Like, you could take her paw, and she just, like, look at you. And you could just twist it off.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And she would just go like, I wish she didn't. Really sucks for me. But she would just let you.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Our. My dog plays mental games like a Real Housewife, where like, sometimes she's like, I love you. Now I'm mad at you, and I only will talk to Mom.

[Louis C.K.]

And you're like, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

What did I do to you? I did nothing. Oh, because I ripped the Kleenex out of your mouth. She'll do stuff where she'll. The funniest thing she does is she loves to poop next to cars. But, like, with her face, like.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

This far from the door. So what she does is she always happens to find a car with a motherfucker sitting in it.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And Then it just. It's just me standing outside their car. And then, like, I had a guy on his phone, he went, holy shit. I went, but I'm sorry. Oh, it's all right.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Alone. Oh. Setting up a trap for this guy.

[Louis C.K.]

No, my dog is very beautiful and lovely. People love her.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

And I walk her every day in a little alley in New York where it's next to nyu, and it's a very bucolic alley, so all the NYU students get their pictures taken there. And so you see a lot of people in caps and gowns. Also, a lot of young couples go there because women like to. Women like to be photographed there.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

So you see couples like, the boyfriend has taken the picture. You know, you've seen this a million times now. It's a new thing. The boyfriend takes the picture, and she's like this. Then she goes, let me see it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And she looks. She goes, no, no, no.

[Dan Soder]

She goes back to instructions, back to Video Village.

[Louis C.K.]

So they go, exactly. So she gets kills, and he does. You know.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Dude, that's brutal. I'm so glad.

[Louis C.K.]

I know.

[Dan Soder]

I'm so glad. I'm in my 40s.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Just past that stage because it's a

[Louis C.K.]

little alley with no cars. I can let Rosie off the leash a little because she poops a little faster that way.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. The freedom.

[Louis C.K.]

And then she go. If somebody goes, oh, she goes over, and they like to take pictures with her. So she's become. One time I was just sitting. I was, like, sick, and I'm walking with Rosie, and I were both. I don't know, we'd been through something together.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

Both sick all night. We get sick at the same time, me and my dog. And we're walking in the alley, and this girl and her friends are taking pictures, and she goes, oh, my God. Can we take a picture with your dog? And I just go, yeah. And I just. I clicked the leash off, and I. And I just said, go, take a picture. And Rosie just walks over, and she sits facing the camp. Like. She just sits.

[Dan Soder]

Old hat.

[Louis C.K.]

And they were like, what the. Like, go ahead.

[Dan Soder]

She goes, listen, here's the deal.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I've been up all night. We're gonna do three shots. I'm gonna let you edit one of them. Okay? Are we in there? Are we in.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That's exactly what I have a worst problem where Myrtle will pin the leash when any woman goes. Will be on Broadway, middle of crowd. And Myrtle will go and just put all of her weight. And I'm like, yeah. And then I look, like, abusive because

[Louis C.K.]

I'm like, get back here, you.

[Dan Soder]

She's like. She's chaotic. She just brings it, which I love, but she does.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

There are two things I wanted to ask you about before. Before you leave.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

One of them was I watched Pootie Tang.

[Louis C.K.]

Oh, God.

[Dan Soder]

It was. But can I tell you something?

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

What if. How fun was it to make that movie?

[Louis C.K.]

It was fun to film.

[Dan Soder]

That's what I mean.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You can tell. I know people are like, I. I enjoy.

[Louis C.K.]

What are they? What's that noise?

[Dan Soder]

They go.

[Louis C.K.]

I knew that was. There's a lot packed in that. I. What? I What?

[Dan Soder]

I watched it being like. I had so much fun watching it because it was like eating something that they no longer make where you were like, they don't make fun.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It's like.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Like the entire first off watching David Tell act in a role David Tell

[Louis C.K.]

didn't want to be. He. He didn't want to do it. Like, he doesn't want to. He just wants to live his life.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

So, like, we'd be filming a scene where he's in the scenes with Robert Vaugh.

[Dan Soder]

He's right. His right hand man.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. So we're shooting a scene where it's like me and Robert Fawn, and he's there. And Dave kept pitching me things. Like, most comics pitch ideas because they want more time.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

But he's like, how about If I say, Mr. Lecter, I'll. Let me go get the car and I leave. Because he just wanted to go smoke cigarettes outside.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And he'd go like. He kept pitching ways to get out of the scene. And I'd be like, dave, if you're the one of willing to stand here for one hour, you're in the movie forever. Like, then you don't have to. You can go home and then you're in the movie.

[Dan Soder]

That's a good way of putting it.

[Louis C.K.]

Forever and ever.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

But if you leave, you're not in it. You're not gonna just need an hour of your. And he's just like, can I just, like, get his. Take his coat and then just go to the closet and then not come back.

[Dan Soder]

Because a lot of times when a tell is in stuff, he's. He's just a tell. Like in Train Wreck, he played the. The bum. But he was a telling. And this was like, the first thing I saw of it.

[Louis C.K.]

He was good. He's a good actor. Yeah, he is.

[Dan Soder]

He's like a henchman. A good shitty henchman.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes, he is.

[Dan Soder]

To take out Pootie Tang.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

But then.

[Louis C.K.]

But yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So we've the cameos. By the way, if you re. Watch Pooty Tang, you had everybody in that movie. I don't remember. I mean, JB Smooth, obviously, and Chris Rock is his. As Pooty Tank's friends. But Jennifer.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, Jennifer Coolidge.

[Dan Soder]

Coolidge is.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, I wrote that part for her. Her.

[Dan Soder]

She's phenomenal.

[Louis C.K.]

She's one of the funniest people in the world.

[Dan Soder]

She's the Dart. The Darth Vader of the Pooty Tank.

[Louis C.K.]

That's right.

[Dan Soder]

Of.

[Louis C.K.]

Of Wanda Sykes is in it. She's great.

[Dan Soder]

Is the running. I loved Wanda Sykes, but Todd Berry getting the hooker.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

There's like a little Todd Berry cameo. Rick Shapiro is the bum that he. That he kills.

[Louis C.K.]

Shoots him. Yeah. And then when he's shooting the gun, he's going bang, bang, bang. While he's shooting an actual gun.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. He's saying he was so rich. Shapiro, obviously. He's like, really rich. Pero and Lucky Louie.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

But you got. You got like a perfect encapsulation of Rick Shapiro.

[Louis C.K.]

That's right.

[Dan Soder]

He's like, booty tag. He comes out of the knife and he's like, you, man. And then he whoops his ass. But there was so many. If you're a comedy fan, watching that feels so fun because you just go like, oh, that's.

[Louis C.K.]

Keep seeing those people.

[Dan Soder]

See those people. And you go, what they became. Also, that was my first real experience with JB Smooth when I was young.

[Louis C.K.]

Is the greatest. He's. I made a movie a couple years before that called Tomorrow Night, and he's like the start problem. Like, he's his co star. He's a big part of it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

But I love JP he's one of the funniest people in the world.

[Dan Soder]

But that was my first experience with him.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I remember watching and then I wanted to rewatch it. And I remember I just, like, I put it on and I was like, dude, we don't fucking make movies that are.

[Louis C.K.]

Well, it was a real mess because I made it and I really. Paramount paid for it. Chris was a really big star.

[Dan Soder]

And so that was right after Bigger

[Louis C.K.]

and Blacker, I think. Well, he was doing the Chris Rock show and I was writing for him.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And we were winning. We won an Emmy for writing on the show. And he was just all over the place. He was killing.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And Pooty Tang was a character that I had written for the show as a guest on his Show.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Louis C.K.]

Played by Lance, who was just the guy in the office next to me. Lance Crowther, who. Who was really great.

[Dan Soder]

So that's how you got him.

[Louis C.K.]

Lance was my friend, and he's. Him and Ollie Leroy were a comedy team. They had a comedy team back in the 80s called Mary Wong. That was the name of their comedy team. And the two of them used to perform together in comedy clubs in New York. That's how I got to know them. And then we all were writers on the show. All of us. Three of us. And Wanda.

[Dan Soder]

And Wanda. Right.

[Louis C.K.]

And so I had this idea because we used to have guests on the show like Lenny Kravitz. And. And Maxwell, I think, is. I think it's because his name was Maxwell.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, yeah, it was.

[Louis C.K.]

I think Maxwell was the guy who really became Pootie Tang because he would come on with a shirt that showed both nipples.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Which also could be Kravitz.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, yeah. And Chris would talk to him, and he just go, yeah,

[Dan Soder]

it's just all sex all the time.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. And then I had this, because I used to. When I was a kid, I used to talk to nonsense a lot. I used to just. The Pooty Tang language has a black feeling to it, but it's from when I was little. I used to say, like, Putin tain on the Clinton planet Clanny Planets. I used to just talk like that with friends.

[Dan Soder]

So. Sarate.

[Louis C.K.]

Sarate. Yeah. So I just. Man, I'm just being like. Just saying this. You know, I'm on date on the

[Dan Soder]

Judaism on the flip side.

[Louis C.K.]

And Chris. And for Chris to go, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And we did it. The first time we did it on the show, it was just exploded. Like, there was people on Hot 97 radio, like, talking about it and really. And everywhere suddenly, faster than was possible.

[Dan Soder]

It was like a viral thing.

[Louis C.K.]

It was huge. And we. This is back in the 90s.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And we would go. We shot a thing where he's running for president. We did like a campaign spot. So we took him out into the street to shoot some pieces, and people flocked to him. And it was like, this isn't even. There's no way this many people have seen it. But there's something in the air about him.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

So I wrote the movie, and it was like a kind of. You know, it was this adventure, strange thing. And. And they gave us 3 million bucks to make it, which is very little amount of money.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, that's my highest lit up in today's current thing. I went, holy yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

No, it's like nothing.

[Dan Soder]

So that back then was like.

[Louis C.K.]

No, because it was a real 35 millimeters movie.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And anyway, so then Paramount got an idea that it might be really big deal. So suddenly. Because it was supposed to be with a small division.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

But then they ate it. And suddenly there was pressure for the thing to succeed.

[Dan Soder]

Is that what ruined it? Is they just.

[Louis C.K.]

I think so.

[Dan Soder]

Because.

[Louis C.K.]

Well, also I was brand new at making films. It was a lot of pressure shooting. It was pure joy. But when I cut it, I cut it linear, like a. Like a totally. This is a more movie about a guy named Pooty Tang. And it's a serious movie.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And I cut it. Just. Here's what happens next. There was no flash to it. And they hated it. They hated it. And I got fired from the movie and they recut it and put in all this goofy stuff.

[Dan Soder]

Well, that makes a lot of sense.

[Louis C.K.]

Narration and stuff that I. That was not my thing.

[Dan Soder]

The one thing I was going to ask, which doesn't seem your style after watching Louis, after watching other stuff you've made, it seemed like they cut it like a music video.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Do you know when they. In Austin Powers where they do the scenes and he'd be dancing with like the sexy girls.

[Louis C.K.]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

Go to the next scene. That's what it felt like a little bit.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. There is that kind of feeling to it. And also they explained some of the jokes.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

Like, there's a scene where Pooty lives in it. He. He lives in a. Nightclay. Is a nightclub.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

Called Pooties. And. And then he goes up in an elevator, this red elevator from the inside of the nightclub to his apartment.

[Dan Soder]

Awesome.

[Louis C.K.]

And so the crowd. Because he performs with Missy Elliott.

[Dan Soder]

Yes.

[Louis C.K.]

And then he gets mobbed all the way to the elevator. And one girl gets in with him

[Dan Soder]

and she's crying on his shoulder the whole time, screaming.

[Louis C.K.]

And. And. And he.

[Dan Soder]

At first it looks like it's. They're having sex. And then when it pulls out and they both have their pants on.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. No, they're just. She's just clawing on him and he just wants to go home. So he leaves her outside and she's screaming at the door.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And then he leaves. He pushes out a little saucer of milk. And she gets on her hands and knees and she drinks it. That's the scene. And it was a scene that was just a kind of a silent. It's a thing as an audience. You just observed this scene and you'd go, what the fuck did I just watch? So they didn't like it. Paramount, they're like, what, is he gay? They want him to be getting laid and stuff.

[Dan Soder]

Slamming ass.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. So the movie has narration where it says, like, I know you're wondering, yeah, why didn't he have sex with her? Yeah, because she's drinking milk off the floor. She's crazy. Like, they explain it. It really broke my heart when I saw that. I was like, why would you explain that? Why wouldn't you just let an audience be curious and wonder what the. They just watched?

[Dan Soder]

When do you see that? When you're fired from a movie like that and they recut it. It. Do you see it when it comes out? Like, everybody else not well.

[Louis C.K.]

So it was a bad loss. Like, I got kicked. When I was kicked off of it, it was bad. It was bad. Like, my last day in the editing room, I was. They. They told. I went back to my hotel. They're like, we have. No one's paying your bill at the hotel. Like, they. It was like. They were so mad. It was really violent, really bad news.

[Dan Soder]

And I looked at what I remember,

[Louis C.K.]

but I was really upset at the. The time. But anyway. And then. So I just left. I said, okay, you can have it. And then I got. I was doing an interview for, like, Entertainment Weekly or somebody, and they said, how. How do you feel? Because the movie was about to come out. And I said, I don't know. I haven't seen it. And so Paramount caught wind of it that I said that. And they made a gesture and said, let's let us fly you out and show you the cut. And so I went out to LA and I just sat in a room in a big screening room, and there's a projectionist with thick glasses, and he goes, what are you here for? And I got me here to watch Pooty Tang. And he goes, I heard that's a stinker.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, no. You library man. What the.

[Podcast Host]

He's like.

[Louis C.K.]

He wasn't wrong.

[Dan Soder]

I know, but that's.

[Louis C.K.]

And I sat there and I watched it.

[Dan Soder]

Were you by yourself?

[Louis C.K.]

By myself. Completely alone. I just sat and I watched it. And I was like, oof. I. I hated it.

[Dan Soder]

Were there parts. Were there things that you made that you liked, that you watched them?

[Louis C.K.]

I think the scene with the. With him in the. Well, yeah, they. They. Everything. They put in jokes, through narration on everything. And I. I just thought it was horrible. Yeah, But. But that's what happens. Also, to be clear, my cut was indefensible.

[Dan Soder]

Really?

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. My Cut.

[Dan Soder]

Have you ever gone back and, like,

[Louis C.K.]

I never really went back.

[Dan Soder]

And you went back and watched it now, where you have all this experience and you're like.

[Louis C.K.]

Like, I'd like to someday sit and watch it. It's the somewhere. My editor, Doug Abel, who is a great guy, he edited the movie with me. We both got fired.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. That's fun, though.

[Louis C.K.]

He won recently said with a friend is always better. We have, like, an offline. Like the Avid offline, low res. I think it's the only version of the original Pooty Tank. Cut. There's no narration. It's just like taking the serious story very seriously all the way throughout. There are some things in it when I watch that they managed to keep. And. And I think every. The people who did it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

Did it. They did a good job. Like, they did the. A good job.

[Dan Soder]

They did the job they were hired for.

[Louis C.K.]

That's exactly right. And a lot of people love the movie. So that's just my. It's just me. And obviously I'm too close to it.

[Dan Soder]

I would say they love Pooty Tang. I think Pooty Tang is the character that you like the movie where you don't go, yeah. Oh, I love the whole movie. I like.

[Louis C.K.]

That's right.

[Dan Soder]

The Pooty Tang stuff where Hootie Tang did this. And I like this scene.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. But that, you know, I. I don't have any regrets about it. I learned a lot.

[Dan Soder]

But that's interesting. I didn't even know that you got fired from that. After watching that, I was like, yeah, watching it. Stylistically, you're like, this doesn't feel like Louie.

[Louis C.K.]

No.

[Dan Soder]

There's a lot of stuff that doesn't feel. When you see. Written and Directed by Louis C.K. you go. After watching Louie, you know, and watching Lucky Louie and all that stuff, you go, he's got. There's a lot more. He's more artistic than this. Like.

[Louis C.K.]

Well, thank you.

[Dan Soder]

This. It felt like a TRL music.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. It's goofy.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. And then finally, before you leave, I don't think anybody that knows me and has known me forever knows the infamous story. This was like 2000. You don't remember this, but I've always wanted to talk to you about this because I've carried around. I've carried around this shame.

[Louis C.K.]

What the fuck?

[Dan Soder]

Two thousand and you're doing. You were. You Shameless just came out. You were building chewed up 2727-07-0708. Yeah. Because we would run to where you were doing sets and Joe List. You didn't know Joe at the time. Didn't know Joe and I. This is when we're becoming best friends.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And we. At the Old Boston City. Yeah. In the Old Boston was called. It got bought out and it got changed to the Comedy Village.

[Louis C.K.]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

And it was next to the firehouse. And Joe got hired to emcee the Monday night shows there, which were a marathon. They'd start at 8pm and they'd go till 2am wow. All barked in audience.

[Louis C.K.]

Wow.

[Dan Soder]

And I was one of the barkers down. I found if I barked, if I sat on the stool in front of the club.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I could smoke cigarettes, talk to other comics, and then occasionally go, hey, great comedy show. And they countered it as barking. But I was just hanging out.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, sure.

[Dan Soder]

And Joe and I were drinking. This is when Joe and I both. Both of us have stopped drinking. Both of us were heavy drinkers.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And one of the waitresses liked both of us. She was just cool to us.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And she would give us these big shots of Jameson. So we drink Jameson. And I'd have. We'd have Budweiser right inside the door, and we'd sit outside. And it was. I mean, when you're an open micr and you're falling in love with New York comedy and you're, like, really getting.

[Louis C.K.]

I remember those days.

[Dan Soder]

It's the best. And Joe was opening for Depaulo.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So Joe actually knew real comics.

[Louis C.K.]

Sure.

[Dan Soder]

And Joe. So there's one night, it's a Monday night, and Joe is like, oh, Depaulo's at the Cellar. I gotta go over there and get my check. Because I think they just did, like, the Hartford Funny Bone together.

[Louis C.K.]

Okay.

[Dan Soder]

And he's like, so I gotta go get my check from Depaulo. If he jumps off, go on and bring up the next comic.

[Louis C.K.]

The guy who's on stage.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, whoever's on. And I'm like, yeah, whatever, man. I'm hanging out. So I'm hanging out, and Joe comes back and he, like, goes and brings up the next comic. Louie's going on around the corner. And I go, oh, hell, yeah. And he goes, I bet he would. I bet he'd go up here. I bet he'd go up if you told him we had a show going. And I go, yeah. And he goes, all right, so go to the seller and let him know we got a show going. And I go, fucking all right. I mean, massive comedy fan. Like, it is. It's.

[Louis C.K.]

How old are you at this point?

[Dan Soder]

23 years old.

[Louis C.K.]

And I was about 40.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Yeah, you were 41. It's like, I'll tell you how deep I was into it. Like. Yeah, you talked to me and Matt Ruby and a couple other people on the train one time after you put out Shameless.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And I just asked you about the venue, but the whole time, I was just like, think of something that he can answer. And I was like, I like the Peter Fonda Theater. That's a cool venue. And you're like, oh, it was. It's pretty up close. And then you like, yeah. And we went on and did a mic, but so I was like, all right, I've talked to. Now I've made this. I made a similar mistake with Patrice where I had had a nice interaction,

[Louis C.K.]

thinking, so you thought that was shorthand.

[Dan Soder]

I could talk to Patrice. And then Patrice just.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Swatted it away, you know, gave me like a don't talk to me open micr.

[Louis C.K.]

Okay.

[Dan Soder]

And so I'm nervous going over. Yeah, you're on stage and Shaq Rip, the old bouncer at the Cellar.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Got to look like she killed on you. Everyone called Check. Big J had introduced me to him. So Shaq would let me into the Cellar to watch comics. I could go stand by the Ray.

[Louis C.K.]

I'm not working there yet.

[Dan Soder]

No, you're four or five years out from working with the seller. I'm an open micr.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I'm a barker. I'm just, like, barking or whatever, and I'm like. I'm like, great. And I'm a little drunk. I've been drinking with Joe, man. I got around the corner, and I go, shaq, is Louie on? And he goes, yeah, Louie's on. You can watch him. And I go, great. And I run down there, and you're. You were doing the joke about when girls go crazy, they show their tits. When women go crazy, they drown their kids in a bathtub. And so you're like. And you were like. You closed on it, and I got to see you do that joke. And I was like, that's great. And then we're in the hallway. You walk out in the hallway.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And I'm an open micr, and I'm trying. This was the worst thing I could have done was I was trying to use slang instead of just saying what it was. So instead of going, hey, we have a show. We have a show around the corner at the Old Boston.

[Louis C.K.]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

It's a couple people, but I know you're working out material.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

If you want to come over there, we're gonna be there all night.

[Louis C.K.]

Putting myself in that moment. I would have been like, oh, that's nice. Thank you.

[Dan Soder]

That's my dumbass.

[Louis C.K.]

What'd you say?

[Dan Soder]

You get off stage.

[Louis C.K.]

I don't remember this at all.

[Dan Soder]

I know you don't, and you shouldn't, and I'm. That makes me feel.

[Louis C.K.]

I mean, so far, none of it is me, so I couldn't remember your remem memories.

[Dan Soder]

So you come out in the hallway. We're in the back hall.

[Louis C.K.]

You ever watch a movie that's all flashback from one person's point of view, but they keep having scenes that he's not in?

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And then how you remember that?

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, that's impossible.

[Louis C.K.]

Like dream. There's movies that are like a whole dream, but, like, he wasn't in that scene.

[Dan Soder]

Or they hear dialogue where you go, you couldn't have even heard that or

[Louis C.K.]

just a tiny tangent sometime in the cheapest movies, there's a guy looking at somebody with binoculars.

[Dan Soder]

Yes.

[Louis C.K.]

So you see the inside, but inside of the binoculars, there's cutting. There's like, close up, really funny, amazing binoculars, like trading singles inside. Anyway, go on. So instead of saying, hey, we're doing a show. Would you like to do a set?

[Dan Soder]

You come out and I go, great set, Louie. And you go, thanks, man. And I go, oh, that last joke's killer. And you go, thanks, man. And you're, like, looking at your notes and you're about to walk up the steps.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

To go to the olive tree.

[Louis C.K.]

Sure.

[Dan Soder]

And I go, the village is working. And you go, what? And I go, and I go, what? And I go, the village is working. And again, you're very polite. You go, what? And then I see your face going to this, like. And I go, I don't know what I'm talking about. And you go, I don't know what you're talking about either. And then you turn, you turn, you go up the steps.

[Louis C.K.]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Soder]

I remember just like it was yesterday. Oh, my God, this is horrible. It was summer and it was warm. And I. I go outside and I light a cigarette, and I turn the corner to walk back up. And Joe List, both of our close friends. Yeah. He's standing out front doing a very Joe listing where he's going like this.

[Louis C.K.]

He's going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Did you talk to him? And I went, I told him the village is working. And Joe crumps up his nose like he always does. And he goes, what the fuck did you say? And he still got his Boston accent. He Goes the. Did you say? And I go. I said, the Village is working. And Joe goes, no, we're in the Village.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. Well, that makes no sense at all.

[Dan Soder]

I don't know. And I remember slumping down on that fucking stool outside and being like. And he goes, you should have just. And so for the rest of the. I mean, for like, weeks after that, Joe was like, incredible. Hey, Lou's around the corner. You want to go tell him the Villages?

[Louis C.K.]

That's incredible.

[Dan Soder]

I was like, dude, there's gonna be a day where I. I'm so relieved

[Louis C.K.]

because I thought I was worried, like, that I was an. In the story.

[Dan Soder]

You were polite.

[Louis C.K.]

That is 100 your fault.

[Dan Soder]

100 my fault. And absolutely. I know where the moment was. You know what it was. And this is where a lot of people get in trouble. They try to be something they aren't.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

They're opposer. And I was being opposed also.

[Louis C.K.]

Having had a conversation like I. When I was that age. 20s, maybe. Same age.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

Maybe same exact situation. Working at Boston Comedy Club. Same location.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

And being in the Village, wishing I could work at the Cellar.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

Knowing a doorman, different generation doorman, would let me go down and watch till SD would go, get the fuck out. I get kicked out all the time.

[Dan Soder]

Really?

[Louis C.K.]

Yes. I didn't know because I'd stand in the hallway and.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, see, are you on the driveway? And you, like, look.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, my God.

[Louis C.K.]

And that's awesome. That's just, you know, Bill Hicks would be on stage, or Alan Havey, or, you know, John. John Stewart, Jerry. All these guys. And so the thing was, though, that when Boston. I opened for Jerry Seinfeld when I was like, 19.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

At a club in Boston called the paradise, they still. You can still do. Stand up there. It's a great room. And I opened for him there. He was doing, like, not. It was like a 900 seat room.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

He was that level. He didn't have a series yet. And so I opened for him there, and he liked me. So he took me to a few places.

[Dan Soder]

Great.

[Louis C.K.]

And I got to know him. And then he tossed me. Stop using me.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

But I was at Catch Rising Star in New York, and I was sitting on the stool, and he came in. He was doing Letterman. And back then, when someone was doing Letterman, it was this thing. Jerry's gonna be on Letterman tomorrow, and he's at every club working it out.

[Dan Soder]

I caught the very tail end of that when I moved here in, like, 06. They were like, if you were doing Conan the Producer was with them and they were going like everywhere back then

[Louis C.K.]

to do Letterman was a life changing. It was a big deal. And. And so. So Jerry was walking around with Mario Joyner and they were working out the set together. And I was also a pretty tank. Yes, he is. So I'm at catch and Jerry walks in and there's a hub of that. He's here to do his five minutes and go. And he does a. I'm watching him. I'm sitting right in the stool that's right by the kitchen and he does the set. And I saw a bit for him. I saw a tag and I knew him a little from Boston and he walked. It was a bit where he was talking about milk and he's talking about how once you're racing against the expiration date, you're, you know, you have too much milk, you're washing your face. It was a great bit. And he said, how do they know that's the date? How do they know that that day is the day? That was it. That's all he had. And I was like, I got it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

So he's coming off stage and I just go, jerry. And he looks at me like, no. Yeah, this kid. What? And I go, I got a bit. And he goes, go ahead. He's kind of like, you have 10 seconds. And I go, you say, how do you know that's the day Is the guy milking the cow? And the cow goes, July 3rd.

[Dan Soder]

That's very funny.

[Louis C.K.]

And I knew it would work because his funny face. Yeah. Being account.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. The commenting.

[Louis C.K.]

And he goes, oh, thank you. I go, yeah. So then he does it. I watch Letterman. He's on panel with Letterman. And this is a point in my career where I was nobody. And the Letterman was like on another side of a thick.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. Wall.

[Louis C.K.]

Like Hannibal Lecter, you know, like just like a thick. You can't touch him.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Louis C.K.]

I myself cannot.

[Dan Soder]

I cannot. Did you smell my premise? What did Multiple Mix say to you? He said, that premise has been done.

[Louis C.K.]

He said, I can smell your cunt.

[Dan Soder]

How could he smell your cunt? I can smell your cunt. It's coming through the wall. I threw my cum on you.

[Louis C.K.]

I myself could not smell his cunt. I could not smell Letterman's cunt.

[Dan Soder]

I want to call the episode that, but I know we can't.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah. So letter. So just. Jerry's on Letterman. He's sitting on panel, he's telling jokes and he does that thing. How do they know that that's the day the crowds. I'm listening. The crowds building. That was the day. Are they milking the cow? The cow goes, July 3rd. Fucking explosive applause. And Letterman comes out of the applause and goes. The cow says, July 3rd. And Jerry goes, yeah, the cow. And they reiterate it. And I was just like, how?

[Dan Soder]

And you're in your apartment. Is this when you're living with Apollo and Astoria?

[Louis C.K.]

By myself in Bleaker street with a Murphy bed.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, my God. Charles in Charge.

[Louis C.K.]

And I had a VHS tape of it that. I still think I have something.

[Dan Soder]

Gotta hold on.

[Louis C.K.]

I think I still have it. This tape.

[Dan Soder]

So great.

[Louis C.K.]

I was just like. And so the next day, I'm walking around, I think Central park, and I see Jerry. I bump into him on the street and he goes, hey, you're bit. Killed. And he goes, now you know that your mind, the way you think in your comedy, it can work in the big leagues. Like, now you know that. And I was like. So I felt like I. Now me and Jerry are. You know, we're connected. I got a Letterman thing. So then, like a month later, he goes on the Tonight Show, Johnny Carson does the joke again. I think he closed with it kills. And so then I see him at catch, and I just walk up, real familiar. Hey, I saw you did the bid on Carson. And he goes, what? I was like, do you remember this cow? And he's like, huh?

[Dan Soder]

Oh. Oh, man.

[Louis C.K.]

He's kind of like, that's enough now. Oh, man, that's enough now.

[Dan Soder]

That was Patrice going, yeah, just.

[Louis C.K.]

No. Oh. It's a weird thing. Comedians have a weird Darwin thing inside of us that we will slap guys down a little bit.

[Dan Soder]

That's enough.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah, you got. Yeah, yeah. Stop it. Stop it. And I don't like myself for it, but I feel like I'm feeling. Fulfilling some kind of role that I'm not aware of.

[Dan Soder]

You know what it is? It's nature. It is nature. And when you don't, the. The herd gets out of control if you don't call it.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

You have to go, like sometimes go. Shut the up.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

That's just. And I talk to Bobby Kelly about this all the time. My generation, we failed because we weren't mean enough to the people after us.

[Louis C.K.]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

We. Where we could have gone. Shut up, you hack.

[Louis C.K.]

Stop doing crowd work kind of a deal that you need. Need to. It's like I'm reading this biography of Abraham Lincoln. It's by. By Carl Sandberg, and it's very detailed.

[Dan Soder]

Sure.

[Louis C.K.]

It's when he was living in Kentucky and he was a real ham. And he would sit on a fence post in town and he would just talk and his father would be walking by sometimes and he'd see his son just like talking and he just knock him off.

[Dan Soder]

That's just push him off the fence.

[Louis C.K.]

Push him off the fence.

[Dan Soder]

Shut the up. And he gets up anyways. Yeah, like I was saying, my dad, whatever, he came by. Yeah, I'm a sword fight that one day and I hope he's old. Ridiculous is out on Netflix. Go watch it.

[Louis C.K.]

Yes.

[Dan Soder]

Thanks for coming by, dude.

[Podcast Host]

Thanks.

[Louis C.K.]

That was really fun.

[Dan Soder]

That was a fun hanging.

[Louis C.K.]

Yeah man. Hey.

[Dan Soder]

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[Louis C.K.]

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[Dan Soder]

us your materials list and get a quote in minutes. Handwritten, a photo or even a sticky note is all you need. Keep your jobs moving faster and on budget at Lowe's, valid through 78 while supplies last selection varies by location.

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[Dan Soder]

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[Louis C.K.]

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[Dan Soder]

Now just $169.

[Louis C.K.]

And at the Lowe's Pro desk bring

[Dan Soder]

us your materials list and get a quote in minutes. Handwritten, a photo or even a sticky

[Louis C.K.]

note is all you need.

[Dan Soder]

Keep your jobs moving faster and on budget at Lowe's. Valid through 78 while supplies last selection varies by location.