5 Air Medals & 800 Combat Hours: Nate Amidon Tells All

Summary

SOFREP Radio: "5 Air Medals & 800 Combat Hours: Nate Amidon Tells All"

Podcast: SOFREP Radio (iHeartPodcasts)
Date: May 18, 2026
Host: Rad
Guest: Lieutenant Colonel Nate Amadon (CEO, Form 100 Consulting; C-17 pilot)

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth conversation with Lt. Col. Nate Amadon, highlighting his journey from an unlikely military recruit to elite Air Force C-17 pilot and consultant. Rad and Nate discuss adapting military leadership skills for civilian life, the realities of transitioning out of the service, building second careers, and what it’s like to command some of the world’s most advanced cargo aircraft. The candid dialogue offers personal stories, advice, and humor, providing both practical guidance for veterans and engaging insights for all listeners.

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Guest Introduction & Background (03:48–08:14)

• Rad welcomes Nate Amadon, noting his impressive smile and multifaceted career: 15 years in the Air Force, missions over Iraq/Afghanistan, tsunami relief in 2009, and CEO/founder of Form 100 Consulting.
• Nate is still an active C-17 pilot in the AF Reserve, holding a B.S. from the Air Force Academy and an MBA from the University of Nebraska.
• Notable quote (07:42, Nate):
  "We just bring clarity, alignment to chaos... We know how to make decisions when there's not a clear answer."

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Early Military Path: Surprising Motivation (08:14–12:59)

• Nate originally had no desire to join the military—he was recruited to swim Division I at the Air Force Academy and realized it was the only affordable way to attend college.
• Basic training culture shock:
  Both Rad and Nate reflect on the diverse, intense environment, exposure to new regions, faiths, and backgrounds.
• Notable quote (10:58, Nate):
  "You get put into this group of people from all over the country... the exposure and the growth you get from that experience, man, it's so valuable."
• Rad shares a story about a fellow recruit whose only goal was to buy a Lexus at age 17—a glimpse into the varied reasons people join.

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Career Progression & Ongoing Education (14:28–19:40)

• Nate shares he is preparing for Air Force retirement, transitioning from Reserve to civilian life while running Form 100 Consulting.
• Continual Education:
  Explains the value of certifications (PMP, CSM) and how many, like his MBA, were pursued for career advancement rather than personal passion.
• Notable quote (16:41, Nate):
  "A lot of these certifications... are kinda the same way—right place, right time. But all training is good; just decide when it applies."

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Flight Missions & C-17 Experiences (20:32–25:28)

• Unique aspects of C-17 flying:
  Commanding multi-million-dollar aircraft to austere locations as a young officer—"problem-solving your way" through missions.
• Compares flying military aircraft (mission/problem focus) to commercial airlines (routine, predictable).
• Air drop missions, especially with special forces, are highlights.
• Quote (22:35, Nate):
  "I've gone and done, yeah, countless air drops... The Special Forces guys were the best... just to be a part of that, pretty awesome."

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Military-to-Civilian Transition: Advice & Insights (25:28–43:19)

• Transition is hard—even from active duty to Reserve. Civilian job hunting can be a shock.
• Form 100 only hires former military; Nate details how his company helps transitioning veterans.
• Top transition advice:
  • Save money for a runway (27:01)
  • Schedule yourself for structure (job-hunting = a job)
  • Take time to decompress
  • Lean on family/friends for support
  • NETWORK—don't expect to 'spray and pray' with resumes; personal connections are key in a world of AI-driven hiring (32:05, Nate: "The way to do it now is to just make friends. You need to network, you need to get on LinkedIn... shake hands.")
• Notable moment (29:07–32:05):
  Nate explains how AI flood resumes, locking out qualified veterans whose skills aren't captured by algorithms.
• Networking tip—don’t ask for jobs, just connect and offer to help (36:44, Nate: "Don't ask for a job, just reach out and try to get some advice and try to learn.")

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Leadership Lessons: Trust, Humility, Alignment (45:23–54:33)

• Key formative experience—mentorship by a Chief Master Sergeant as a young, "type-A" captain.
  • Nate, over-involved and anxious, was bluntly told by a senior NCO to step back and trust the enlisted crew.
  • Quote (46:21, Nate):
    "He just, like, pulled me aside...pinned me up against the side of the plane and was like, ‘Get the [blank] out of here. You're making it all worse.’... That was just a huge lesson."
  • Trust, empower your team—don't micromanage.
• Translates to business:
  • Find "senior" (most knowledgeable) people and become their advocate.
  • Military is not all command-and-control; good leadership is about enabling others.
• Rad: "The private sector is really missing out...so much untapped talent and value coming out of the military..."

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Veterans & Second Careers: Value, Reputation, and Strengths (54:36–59:15)

• Veterans’ skills—problem solving, adaptability, and leadership—are immensely valuable to private industry; often overlooked due to broken hiring practices.
• Notable quote (54:33, Nate):
  "Your experience in the military is valuable and needed in the private sector."
• Rad jokes about putting "Certified Chaos Master" on his resume; both agree adaptability and mission-focus stand out in civilian work.
• Teamwork lesson: It's about doing what's needed—"We're all one team, one fight. We all go down in the same fiery ball." (57:23)

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C-17 Technical Talk: Flying the Globemaster (59:30–67:22)

• C-17 capabilities:
  • Short/rough field landings, maneuverability, ability to back up under its own power; designed with lessons from earlier aircraft.
  • Flies "backside flight" using exhaust to provide extra lift—enables slower, shorter landings.
  • No ejection seats; pilots assume responsibility and stay with the aircraft (58:04, Nate: "You kind of just assume as the pilot that you're not going out in a parachute.")
  • Autopilot, heads-up display, fly-by-wire; thrust reversers can be deployed in-flight for rapid descents.
• Attention to detail is critical:
  If cargo is improperly loaded and slides, it can cause fatal crashes (67:22, Nate underscores this after discussing famous incidents).

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Continuing Service, Networking, and Final Words (68:03–72:48)

• Military-developed attention to detail, mission focus, and broad responsibility applies directly to leadership and project management in the private world.
• Nate encourages veterans to stay connected to the community and resources, and to recognize the enduring value of their skills.
• Form 100 Consulting hires military leaders who can "drop into a bowl of chaos and figure it out."
• Networking is key: Reach out, connect, ask for guidance, and remember that the transition is hard for everyone—but “embrace the suck and keep moving” will get you through.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On transition:
  "Treat your transition like a job. Like you're still in the military. Set a time to wake up, get up and after it...but decompress. Especially high op-tempo folks." (27:01, Nate)
• On leadership: "Listen to your senior NCOs, find them, attach to their hip and just...they know what's going on and they want to help you." (50:01, Nate)
• On networking/job search:
  "Don’t ask for a job, just reach out and try to get some advice and try to learn about what they're doing." (36:44, Nate)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:48: Official start, guest introduction
• 08:25–12:59: Academy recruitment, culture shock stories
• 15:46–18:27: Certifications and MBA motivation
• 20:32–25:28: C-17 missions, air drops, and comparisons to commercial flying
• 25:28–43:19: Discussion on military-to-civilian transition, job market, and veteran hiring
• 45:23–54:33: Leadership story with Chief Master Sergeant; lessons for military and private sector
• 59:30–67:22: C-17 technical breakdown, landing, backup, and loadmaster responsibilities

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Tone & Style

• Upbeat, candid, and practical—packed with first-hand stories, banter between military peers, and genuine advice for transitioning vets.
• Mix of humor (jokes about LinkedIn, "Chaos Master" for resumes, youthful military ambitions), humility, and actionable guidance.
• Nate and Rad both emphasize the camaraderie and shared sense of mission among veterans, encouraging listeners to stay engaged, connected, and confident in the value they bring.

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Closing/Connection

• Form 100 Consulting: Connect via form100consulting.com
• Rad: Encourages reaching out for connections, guidance, and camaraderie via SOFREP.

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For listeners:
This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the realities behind military leadership, the challenges and opportunities of post-service transition, and the untapped power of the veteran workforce. Whether you’re a vet seeking your next step or simply a fan of military aviation, you’ll find stories, laughs, and hard-won wisdom in this conversation.

Transcript

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[Nate Amadon]

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[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

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[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, second one was more accurate.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Amadon.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, Amadon.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

It's also Lieutenant Colonel Amadon.

[Nate Amadon]

That's correct.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

That is correct. It's also. Hey, Amadon. Welcome to the show. Nate, I appreciate you being on the show with Soft Rep today.

[Nate Amadon]

Absolutely, man. Super, super excited to be here.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Well, sweet, because I'm super excited to talk about C17 Globemasters with like combat takeoffs. And I want to talk about, you know, you flying that bad boy, and is there an autopilot and is there really a $30,000 coffee mug on these things? And. And that. And that's what we're going to get into. But first, I want to brief my listener a little bit about you. Let me find a little bio that I found online. Let's see here. Let's go to. Well, let's just go to. Well, you are the CEO and founder of Form 100 Consulting. So congratulations on that. Nate started Form 100 Consulting after spending 15 years leading people and programs for the US Air Force, Microsoft, Boeing, and Alaska Airlines. His unique background as a C17 pilot and air Force officer positioned him to view the industry with a different mindset and to apply military leadership best practices to scaled agile development programs. Nate holds a B.S. in Management from the United States Air Force Academy. Good job. An MBA from the University of Nebraska. You're a good student, a PMP, CSM and is still an active C17 pilot in the Air Force Reserve 313th Airlift Squadron. Is that correct?

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, that's all of it.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

All right. And there's more because you have, like, you have 4,000 hours flying. You have served in Iraq and Afghanistan on missions. You have helped with the tsunami relief in 2009. You know, there's a lot of things that you've been involved with, you know, besides just that small little bio, including, you know, help being the CEO of Form 100 that goes into companies that need some leadership advice and need some leadership and somebody that could come in and just say, hey, I know you can't cut the pinky off your baby, but I can do it for you. So, again, welcome to the show, bro.

[Nate Amadon]

I might use that pinky analogy sometime.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Well, yeah, because you couldn't cut your own pinky off, but I could cut it off for you. It's like an editor on a movie. That's how I use it. So, like, you hire somebody who's an editor because the director will never throw away any scene they shot. They're like, this is perfect. This is magic. He's like, it doesn't go with the show. It doesn't go with the flow. It's got to go. It's got to go. You know, there's somebody in there that's just, like, able to make that decisive decision, even though it's a beautiful situation. And that's kind of like what your Form 100 does, just to kind of crack it in. You guys say, hey, this is kind of a direction that you're missing that you need to go, right?

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah. I mean, we just. We really just bring clarity, alignment to chaos. That's basically what we do, right? I mean, technology, organizations, especially now AI, everything's chaos. There's so many moving parts that. Yeah. I mean, we're just comfortable operating in super dynamic environments. We know how to make decisions when there's not a clear answer. And. Yeah. And so we bring that skill set to software development and technology programs and help them execute.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Okay, so that's. We're going to get into that. All right, but first, let's get in a little bit about Nate. All right. So, Nate, you're a young man, you're in high school, and you're like, I'm going to join the Air Force.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah. So I'll be honest, man. I had no desire, really no desire to join the military. And this is kind of a wild story. And I ended up getting recruited for the Air Force Academy on the swim team. I was a swimmer in high school, and I really wanted to swim in Division 1 school. And I realized quickly, my parents had no money for college. And so the Air Force Academy, the price was right and it was a good school and great swim team. So that's how I ended up joining the Air Force.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

All right. Air power, bro.

[Nate Amadon]

To be honest, you know, I wish, like, I grew up and I said, someday this is where I want to be and. But that's not the case. You know, I just kind of fell into it and then fell into pilot training. I mean, I didn't really even have a desire to fly when I joined the Air Force Academy. I didn't know a whole lot about it and then. But yeah, it seemed like a cool thing to do.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

So when you went to the Air Force Academy, you really wanted to swim. Okay, so it is really kind of a, you know, a patriotic story because you got small town guy going to school, doing his best, joining the military, you know, and then all of a sudden he goes into the Air Force academy to swim D1. He wants to be a medalist, an Olympic medalist. You want to go after, you know, whatever the professional grade of being on the Wheaties box is. Okay, Whatever a swimmer can do to get there. Like Michael Phelps, 45 medals on his chest. Right. It takes a lot to get on that Wheaties box. That's your mentality. I feel it now. You get drafted to the Air Force per se, to go swim. They got it. They're like, hey, we got a swim team. Come swim, come Swim. You're like, wait, okay, okay. So the job, though, you're like, okay, I'm swimming. But they're like, hey, make your bed. You're like, wait a second. I just want to swim.

[Nate Amadon]

Right, Right. And I mean, I knew a little bit. Right. I mean, like, I did some research going in and was like, okay, it's gonna be different. Yeah. I mean, I was. I was totally unprepared for basic training at the Air Force Academy of Basics, really run by more senior cadets, too, so it borderlines on hazing. Right? And yeah, I mean, but you just kind of deal with it, and in hindsight, man, it was awesome. It was a great experience. And, yeah, I'm still good friends with. With a bunch of my buddies there. And, I mean, I grew up in Minnesota, right. And I hadn't really left the state much, you know, I mean, a couple of trips here and there, but you get. You get put in to this group of people from all over the country, like, all. Like every.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

All over.

[Nate Amadon]

And, man, it's one of the. It's one of the coolest experiences. I mean, I think everyone in the military has that experience, right? You show up at basic training, and they don't do it by your state. Right. I mean, it's just the exposure and the growth you get from that experience, man, it's. It's so valuable.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

You know, I remember going to Lackland for basic in the Air Force, and it was like, I got off with the guys from Utah. We went. We went on the plane together. Okay. And then we got on the bus together, and then we went. And maybe one day we got on the same yellow steps together off the bus. So we're like, oh, cool. We're probably gonna go through, you know, boot camp together. And then I had to go and get, like, you know, your uniforms and all that kind of stuff and get all your duffel bag and everything. And they were like, they're Mormons, so they had to go into the Mormon special room to get their underwear. And I just kept going. And so that's when I, like, lost my homies. We were like, oh, okay. Well, that's the last of that. And then, you know, boot camp, it was Chi Town from Dallas, Dallas from Minnesota. You know, you. You got all these. This. This whole. I saw six different faiths on a Sunday at a church service where I was going to go sit in on the Mormon service and just, you know, kind of feel a little sense of home and some mental stability and. And I saw people on drum sets before me and I saw Pentecostal. And so when you're saying it just brings everybody together, bro. I didn't see a different religion living Utah until I went there and then I saw like in action.

[Nate Amadon]

That's right. Well, I mean, crazy story. I didn't know that Mormon was a thing until I went to the academy. I didn't even know. And that there were. And so there were a couple more guys in my squadron and it was like, what do you. Wait, what? I don't even know what you're talking about. Like, it was just wild because I had never had that exposure. Right?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Why are you wearing brown boxers or brown garments? You know, it's like your T shirt. It's like, why do you.

[Nate Amadon]

What?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

How come we don't have that?

[Nate Amadon]

Right, right. It's such a cool, such a cool experience, right? To just like, you know, your roommate's a wrestler from Oklahoma and football player from Tech. I mean, it's just, man, it's so cool.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

I met a 17 year old from Vegas. He could polish his boots so shiny with nothing and just straight polish water. And he's like, you know, rad. I'm all, what? And he's like, I just want a Lexus. I was like, what? He's like, I'm 17 years old, I live in Las Vegas. And how many 17 year olds do you know that drive a Lexus? It's like in 1999. I don't know any 17 year old driving a Lexus. He's like, exactly. And he just kept shining his boots. All he wanted to join the Air Force was for this paycheck so he can go buy a Lexus two door sport car.

[Nate Amadon]

I mean, that's what's. That's what's really cool, I think about the military is everyone kind of comes in for their own reasons, right? I mean, some people come in just because their whole family's been in the military and that's always what they've done and they really want to serve. And there's some people that just fall into it. Some people want Alexis. Right?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

I mean, seriously, it was real.

[Nate Amadon]

But you all come together and then you kind of learn and you get trained and grow and, you know, and now it's a lot different, right? I mean, it's why I stay in is different than why I got in.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, well, first of all, you're in. You've already been through that, so you're like, okay, well, you could probably handle, you know, playing some cards at the table with the guys already, so. You're. And your lieutenant colonel moving on, probably a full bird.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, no, I'm actually. So I put my retirement paperwork in. I'm getting out at the end of day the July.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Okay, so you're. So you're processing to separate from the Air Force now and. And finalize your career and then move full. Full on into a new transition. So you're really transitioning in this moment.

[Nate Amadon]

Yep. Yeah. Now, I will say the reserves has been just a blessing for me. I haven't, you know, I've been able to do that and actually run a company at the same time. And I think a lot of that's just because of the mobility unit we have. It's, you know, it's a little more flexible than most reserve units, but. Yeah, but it's a balancing act. Like, it's not easy.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

It's not easy. But what is in life, right? If it is easy, maybe we're just like, you know, just not putting enough into it.

[Nate Amadon]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

And so. And so your business acumen is obvious just from that little blurb I read you have, like, an mba. You know, you have. You went to the academy at the Air Force Academy and graduated from that. Would you tell me what a p. A P. What's that? Let's see. It was a PMP cs. Yeah. Can you tell me what the PMP CSM is that you got?

[Nate Amadon]

I can, yeah. It's actually back up. Like, I like doing continuing education. Like, I like your, you know, the book club idea. Right. Like, you should always be learning, always should be reading. You should be doing that. And so I've always kind of just leaned into additional trainings and certifications. I felt like that was something that's important, but a lot of times you just kind of fall into it. Like, the only reason I got an MBA was because I was a. I was a captain. And our captain, chief evaluator pilot in our squadron. Super sharp. Like, one of the best pilots. Got passed over for major, didn't get promoted because he didn't have a master's degree, bro. And I was like. And so I ended up like. So I just scrambled and found an NBA at Nebraska. It was online. I've never been to Nebraska. I mean, I've been to Nebraska, but never been to the. To the campus. Right. I don't care about cornhusker football that

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

much and comment down below.

[Nate Amadon]

But I end up like, yeah, I end up just going and getting it. And. And so a lot of these certifications that you see after are kind of the same Way, right.

[Narrator/Announcer]

They're, they're.

[Nate Amadon]

PMP is a project management professional. So when I got into the private sector after getting into the reserve, I realized like, okay, there's these like certifications that can be helpful to open doors to get, you know, different jobs and different things. And so, so a PMP is like I said project management professional. And it, it's a fairly rigorous course and you have to have a certain amount of experience running projects which did in the military and you have to take a test and. And so I got the certification to help me. It basically means like, hey, you kind of know how to run a project. But I would say having run projects in the private sector for 10 years since getting my PMP, I haven't really used my PMP knowledge that much.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

That you may, that you may real. It's like Six Sigma. It's like, what are you going to do? You're black belting. You know, it's like, are you really gonna break out math with words? You know, it's like. But you might wind up doing that on occasions you don't realize. Right, right.

[Nate Amadon]

So I want to discourage people from getting them go out and, you know, get more certifications. I mean, if you can. There's a lot of veteran programs out there that you can get them for free. Will pay actually to get people certified when they join our company just because it does give you a basis of private sector vernacular. I guess you can speak the language a little better. And I mean, all training is good and you just have to decide when it applies.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

So would the CSMB Customer Service Management?

[Nate Amadon]

No. So that's a certified Scrum Master.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Dang, that's trying right there.

[Nate Amadon]

So I got out of active duty. I was in the reserve unit. All my buddies were airline pilots because that's what you do after you fly C17. You go fly for the airlines. I didn't want to do it. We can get into that if you want. But I was still flying in the reserves and I'd have to tell people, they're like, what's your job? And I'm like, I'm a Scrum Master. And it was like, what is that? It sounds like a Dungeons and Dragons game or something. Right. And like it's a real, it's a real term. And basically what it is, it's a coach for a software development team. And so you have a team of software engineers that are doing really complex, complicated stuff. And the Scrum Master is the one that tries to keep everybody alive, tries to keep them on the Same page, making sure they're communicating effectively and that, you know, doing kind of mission debriefs they call the retrospectives. But it's the same thing. I mean, it, the, the. If you were to take a line of like, hey, here's an NCO or junior officer, what they do and what a scrum master is supposed to do, it's basically one for one. Like it's, it's almost the same thing.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

I see. So you just make sure everything's going align. You're the project management. And so you've really focused on a lot of that with the pmp, with the csm just to have those things on there. And I just read it on your bio, so I was curious, like what those acronyms were. Yeah, and so the airline pilot slash Uber driver.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

So you go. So you would go. So if you did a line. And there's nothing wrong with my guys that fly at Delta or Alaska or SkyWest or any of that. I love you all and thank you for getting me to and from and landing safely. But going from, you know, you know, flying C17s into Iraq, Afghanistan for whatever the mission may have asked of you, you know, whether you're low flying or, you know, you don't have to worry about like airspace control because you're the control of the airspace. Yeah, you know, that's got it.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, that was totally different. Like, for me, like I said I never really wanted again. I never like looked up into the sky and said, like, one day I'm gonna be a pilot. Like, it just wasn't like a dream, I guess as a, as a child and, and I really enjoyed, like, I mean, I still do it. I really enjoy flying the C17. It's an awesome plane. But the mission is what's fun, right? It's going out there and problem solving your way. We take a crew of. You know, I became an aircraft commander when I was still in my 20s and we took a crew where I was the oldest, most senior person. We're flying like, you know, a quarter billion dollar plane and we're going to like the most remote places you could imagine. And you're by yourself, you just figure it out, right? And you're in charge. Like, hey, we have enough fuel, the airspace is clear, right? Like, my crew's taken care of and fed and you have lodging and you're doing all the things and I. And that's really fun, right? Like coming up and solving those problems. And when you fly for an airline, you don't want to Solve any problems. Because those are not good days. Right. I mean, everything's pretty standard, you know, you just, in a lot of ways, you kind of a very high paid bus driver.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, I could, I could feel that as well. I've got friends that are pilots. I got a captain at Delta. He's the full on, you know, in charge. Yeah. And he loves it. But he went in as a civilian.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Right. So he doesn't really have a difference of opinion because that's what his goal was. He went as a commercial pilot, got his, you know, license, etc, you know, so having, you know, seeing Yin and Yang, you know, you've flown on commercial, you get what they do. Also, you flew C17s. I love the Globemaster. Okay, let me just say my dad was a Green Beret, airborne, and on his helmet he has slashes around the band of Chinooks five times. Plus one, he has C17 like seven jumps slashed on there jumping out of that bad boy. Right. You've had to have had guys jump off your C17s, huh?

[Nate Amadon]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, so in the C17, there's kind of a basic air land qualification and then you have to go to additional training, be an airdrop certified pilot. So I, I wanted to do that. I just thought it was super cool. And so, yeah, I mean, I've. I've gone and done, yeah. Countless air drops down to Pope or, you know, Vietnam area and doing air drops there.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

And then you say over Vietnam.

[Nate Amadon]

No, I said Fayette. Nam. That's a big.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Oh, fnville.

[Nate Amadon]

I'm probably people here. Sorry.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

No, no, no, no, no. Fayette. Now, because they dropped the SF guys into the area for like qualcourse and Q course and searing and all that, they have to attack the town.

[Nate Amadon]

Right?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

That's cool. That's cool.

[Nate Amadon]

No, the personal airdrops, man, they're great, man. And I honestly, you know, I love the. The Special forces guys were the best. I mean, that just. It's such a cool mission and like, you know, just to be a part

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

of that, pretty awesome, you know, My dad was the load master for his unit, so he was just like, yeah, no one touches none of this except for me. He's like, if you want something to get across, you just have an SF guy be the load master. It's the way to do it.

[Nate Amadon]

That's for sure.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

That is 100%. So he was qualified as the load master. So I thought that was cool. Been on those planes, let alone in the Air Force, you know. But growing up My. We'd always go to all these shows, and as soon as somehow somebody found out what my dad was, we were right inside the cockpit. You know, it's like, oh, hey, put your little son right here. So I've seen all of this. I live right outside Hill Air Force Base. I go over to the museum all the time and get to see all these beautiful aircraft that are just sitting there waiting for someone to come say hi to them and wake them up. Hi, wake up. But, you know, when you're transitioning from that life of a regiment where you were active duty 24 7, running out to the tarmac, you know, mission, mission, mission critical, and now you're starting to transition, you go to reserves, still have that same heightened respect of the mission. You still running out to the tarmac when you're required, not on an active duty staff. So you're still in, though. You're still getting the drug is what I'm saying. Yeah, you're still getting your fix, but right now, you're transitioning. And a lot of veterans that I talk to on the show is all about the transition of how they go from handling and coping with that complete regiment, which you've been, you know, brainwashed into since the Academy. Okay. To do these things properly to now implementing this in your civilian life that you're about to enroll into again, roll back, to. Which you're, you know, starting to adapt to as a reservist. You know, what's the advice for you? Is it should you go get all these papers signed by everybody for getting out and, like, you know, having it on your resume? Or is that fruit? Fruit? You know, is it worth it? You know, like, go get this paper, sign.

[Nate Amadon]

The transition's super hard. I mean, even the transition from active duty to the reserves is really hard. And it, you know, there is a little bit of a buffer. It's kind of a slower transition. But once you're in the reserves, you don't have a guaranteed paycheck, right? I mean, you have to. You all of a sudden have to find a way to make money. And that's a. That's a big culture shock just in itself. And. And so, yeah, and then we. So our company only hires former military folks, right? So we do a ton of just transition support and help with people. And a lot of times we'll. We'll take people that are directly transitioned out of the military and then drop them in with clients. And so, yeah, the transition just in itself, first off, it's super hard and just. Just Know that, Accept it. And, like, you're gonna get through it. Like, like it gets better. Right? And because there's so many culture shocks that happen all at once, right? I mean, there's, there's the fact that you now have to find a way to make money, right. You don't have people telling you where you're gonna live. And so you, you have to just. You can be lost a little bit. Right? And so I would say for people that are getting out or about to get out, like, start thinking about your transition early. And so I guess I have a. I have a ton of advice on the subject. So the first one would be save money. Yes. Right. So you give yourself some Runway. Right? Like save some money. Okay.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Save money.

[Nate Amadon]

Check. All right. Because you don't know. You don't know if you're gonna get a job right away or not. And you want to have, you want to have the ability to figure things out and pick, pick the right type of job for you. And then. Yeah, I, I think you should treat your transition like a job. Like you're still in the military, right? Like, you should still set a time to wake up, get up, and get after it. You don't have to spend all day trying to find a job or trying to figure things out, but you should, you should have some sort of schedule. So I'm a huge fan of having, of having some sort of regimented schedule when you're in that transition. But at the same time, you want to take a little bit of time to just decompress. Like you got, you got to decompress a little bit. Especially high off tempo folks, people that were in the operations side, like, you know, maybe you wake up every morning, give yourself a couple hours, and then take some time, hang out with your family, hang out with your friends, go do the thing that you wanted to do and, and then just. Yeah, then just stay diligent. And then the final thing I want to say, especially on the employment side for people that are transitioning is. And just start networking like you, you're not going to find it. You're probably not going to find a job blasting out your resumes into the, into the void of the Internet, right? Like, like the success rate right now. The whole HR hiring thing is busted in the private sector. I mean, it is, it is broken beyond belief because. Because they now have AI agents that can tailor your resume and send it into a job application the second that job application gets posted. So when someone posts a job, like if you're a company and you want to hire somebody, you're getting like 500 resumes in the first hour and like what are you going to do with that? You're going to create your own AI agent and you're going to filter out that way. And for us, transitioning out like our experience isn't going to match the experience that the private sector is looking looking for. And even if a hiring manager would get that or someone would understand like hey, what you do with bad what you do is badass and you'd be really good at my company, it won't make it past the filters. The AI filters.

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[Nate Amadon]

wants you to see the resume. And so the way, the way to do it now is to just make friends. You need to network, you need to get on LinkedIn, you need to make connections, you need to go to the awkward, you know, job fair stuff. You just need to shake hands.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Okay, so I'm listening. I'm totally listening. I love it. Here's what I've got so far. Number one, save money. If you're getting ready to transition, start saving so you have something to sit down on when you get out and you can still recuperate yourself and get right back to where you were. Number two is schedule yourself. Even if you don't like to schedule, just say, hey, I'm going to wake up tomorrow, I'm going to take out the trash and I'm going to have a goal to attain that day and Maybe look at LinkedIn to send out a resume. Okay, Some kind of a schedule to move forward. It doesn't have to be full like you said, to overwhelm you like a weight loss diet. It's like, I want to lose 50 pounds, man. That's a hard thing to say. It's like, try just to like go one day, okay, just go one day before you say I want to lose 50 pounds. That's great. High End goal. But the goal is just to get to the gym. The next thing is kind of decompress, you know, when you're transitioning out, you got to decompress yourself a little bit. Spend a little me time on myself. Go. If you've never had a pedicure on your feet and you've been on your feet all the time, go get your feet taken care of. You'll be like, okay, this is totally fine. I'm going to come do this like once every two months, okay? It's okay to take care of yourself and feel good because once you put those shoes on, you're going to be walking like on clouds. Alright? That's a self loving thing. So take care of yourself. Number four. You say hang out with your family and friends. Dude, I love these bullet points that I just copied from you. So you know, family and friends are going to support you. It's a support system. Like you said, it leads into the network where they're there for you no matter what. Where you go, where you fly, wherever you're at, whatever 2009 deployment you're on, family still supports you, wants to hear from you and see you be successful and networking again. You know, I keep getting told, rad, you should go back to church and shake some hands, you know, And I'm like, they're like, you got the special handshake, bro, Come on. I'm like, bro, so networking, okay, that special handshake, you know, going and just saying, hey, what's up? Oh, bumping into people. If you like what you want to do and you go and immerse yourself in that culture, you're going to meet other people like acting, right? If you go to acting class with a bunch of local actors who are striving to be an actor in la, you're going to meet people who are doing independent movies, you're going to meet people who are chasing their dream, maybe getting apart. How did you do that? You have an agent. Oh, how do I get an agent? Oh, you can introduce me. Oh, after like three months of classes. Oh, okay. Okay. So you start to feel like a sense of belonging because you're in that culture, right? So I do like your bio, having those things added onto it. I see like, you know, dot com's asking for, you know, this candidate. This is the, this is what they want. And when I see somebody's resume, I'm like, why are you not writing the resume to that specific job? You know, it's like, well, here's my resume from like 12 years. Okay, cool. But what in there is relating to the specific job you're applying for? How did. Like you said, how do you transition? I can sit face down in a KC135 refueler. You know, what. How do you. How do you. How do you say, I was a navigator on a C17, and how do I apply that to the job? I'm going into fuel or something. You know, it's like, how do you, you know, manage that?

[Nate Amadon]

It's tough, right? And. And you don't want to lie, right? You don't want to be the person that's, like, making stuff up on your resume.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Right.

[Nate Amadon]

You get a job and. And. But again, I mean, even the time you spent tailoring your resume to a specific job is probably less valuable than the time going to coffee with somebody who works in that industry or that. Or that does a job that you want to do. And so, you know, if you're getting out, you're just getting out of the military and you're kind of, like, frustrated with where to start. Just start by. By meeting and chatting with people. Like, we talked about all the people we met in basic training, right? Go find Those people on LinkedIn or find the. Find the person that you work with that, you know, got out. Find the person, see what they're doing, see if you like what they're doing. Reach out, jump on a zoom call or meet them for coffee or just do whatever, but just try to be deliberate about connecting with people.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah. If you met this captain one time that was flying C17s, and he inspired you, and you were like a staff sergeant on that flight, you know, look him up, go find him, you know.

[Nate Amadon]

Oh, yeah. And I mean, and when people reach out, like, most veterans are gonna. Are gonna at least provide some, you know, provide some advice, right? Now, there's a caveat here, too, Brad, which is don't ask for a job, right? Like, just. Just reach out and try to get some advice and try to learn about what they're doing. And. And that's. Right. Try to help out. If there's any way you can help out. And. And that just goes a long way.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Just grow yourself. Just a circle of influence, you know, Just get involved. I love that. Yeah. It's not like, hey, can you hire me? That's a. That's like a hostile question of a friend. Okay? It's like, oh, it's like, hey, put money in the hat for the boss because we're gonna get him a massage. It's like, oh, if I don't do that. Am I in trouble? It's like, you gotta just. You just gotta, like. Just like you said, just let it happen. It will happen as long as you're putting yourself in the right places. Yeah, you know, there's a lot of right place, right time with life, for sure.

[Nate Amadon]

You know, ultimately, like, just know, like, the transition is going to be hard, you know, and you just got to keep your head up. You got to keep going. And the one thing, you know, we definitely learn in the military is how to just, you know, embrace the suck and keep moving. And so that's kind of how I think about a lot of the transition. It's just like, you know, just keep moving. You're going to get through it, and things are going to work out.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

I love that. And that's a good mindset, is just to keep moving forward with your fortitude that you have already one step after the other, you know, gaining ground. Those are the things that I like to say at my shops. You know, I honestly haven't had to apply for a job in almost like, 20 years. You know, I've been fortunate to be an entrepreneur. I've been blessed to have a cool gig, that I get to go do war games for a living. And it's like, yeah, exactly. Guys like you and guys like me all get together for the weekend and unbuckle their commuter seatbelt and put on some gear, and we go do war games. And then I get to go do that. I do that every day. And then I also do this. So it's like, you know, it's been a minute since I've had to go pander on LinkedIn. I don't even think I had to, you know, But I have a LinkedIn.

[Nate Amadon]

That's good.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, I do have one, but it's, like, not your typical picture. It's like me with flowers in my beard. I'm like, hey, what's up? You want to hire me for your CEO? What's up? We'll have a good time. You know what I mean?

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, it's like Instagram for boomers, you know?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

I mean, really? And I'm not a boomer. You got to be, like, 42, right?

[Nate Amadon]

For. I'm 45.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

45, okay. Yeah, you're pretty young to me. I'm 48, so I'm 77 is my year, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool, bro. Okay, so you're just still a young man

[Nate Amadon]

fighting. Aging every day, right?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Well, dude, you can obviously run for president at 80 years old. You got like five lives left.

[Nate Amadon]

All right? We're all going to live to 100. So. Right.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Look at, look at. I mean, really, we're casting people at 75 years old to President of America CEOs. So don't let anything tell you that you're too old or you're not.

[Nate Amadon]

Oh, for sure. I think about this a lot. Right. Like, so, you know, a full military career is 20 years. Right. I know it's changed some now, but whatever. And you get out at 40, you got two full careers left. Like, that might like thinking about it that way. Even if you get out at 50, you got a full, you know, you got a full career, right? I mean, you got.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah.

[Nate Amadon]

A full nother career. You got a lot of time.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

A full career. Full career, like. Yes, exactly. And, you know, I like to say that we as humans evolve every, like, one or two years with ourselves, our own selves, like a cocoon, and then we come out with new butterfly colors on our wings. So, I mean, like, you know, don't get down on yourself if you're trying to. If you're transitioning out of the military and it's a little tough, like you mentioned earlier, there is the va. The Veterans Administration does have resources for people that are transitioning if you really just want to reach out. But I find that a lot of veterans just want to, like, cut ties.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

They're like, I don't want to go back and rehash anything. I don't want to deal with it until they're older. And then they're like, I got to go to the VA with my issued walker. It's like, if you go when you're younger, when you're able body, and you start now, you might be on top of things before you turn 60.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, well, the veteran community is great. And I think, yes. You know, if you. If you. If you just walk away from it completely, I think you do it. It at your own expense.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Just like, cut ties. You're like, okay, new life, new me. Shed. That was the old me. I mean, dude, you know, look how many actors come out of the military, okay? There's so many people who are famous in, like, the guy that plays Star wars, he was a Marine. He plays the bad. Oh, what's his name? You're gonna get mad at me. Everybody on the Internet. Oh, he kills Solo. Han Solo. What's his name? Oh, I don't even know his name. That's me. I'm not a Star wars guy. More Star Trek. Okay, but still, you can go after, you know, being an actor or doing so many things. There's just a huge life for you after the military. Now, you said you take just veterans at your company. Would a listener who says, hey, I was, you know, in the military, you know, I did pharmacy see.

[Nate Amadon]

Sure.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

And now I'm getting out. You know, would they be able to apply and find a thing at your gig?

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, I mean, so we don't actually post any jobs. We just do it all through network. And, and, and yeah, we're always helping people that want to get into, you know, the technology realm. They want to get into project management or software development. And, and yeah, and so what we really do, we recruit for people that have led teams and programs. And so really we're looking in the officer, senior and CEO realm. Right. But I want people that I can drop into like a bowl of chaos and then they just figure it out. Right. Like, there's no. A lot of our clients don't have any processes. They don't have, like, they don't have anything set up. It's just like, we need to do this thing. And then you're kind of on your own to figure it out. And so, you know, we, we love operators. Spec ops guys are all day. Right. Because they just. You just have to figure it out. Right. And. And so it takes a certain type of person, you know, to that. That we end up bringing on.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

But.

[Nate Amadon]

But I've gotten more people jobs than I've hired because when we talk to people, we always, you know, open up our network, try to connect people, try to do. And then try to provide as much advice or resume reviews or anything we can do to help the transition because we know it sucks.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah. And it is. It is a challenge. You know, I mean, the job market's not the best. Okay. It's. You're trying to get this dream job. You deserve this dream job, but you have to maybe put yourself into the ring of starting from the ground up to get to that position, you know, and you were just at the top of your game when you're transitioning out. You know, it's like word as a master sergeant spec ops guy who just got done jumping last month, now that he's transitioned out, what. What does he go and do? You know, it's like, you know, before depression sets in. Right.

[Nate Amadon]

And like, you know, there's a quote like, what do you do if you're lost in the woods? You start walking. Right. And. And so, yeah, I think. I mean, when I got out my first job I took a 50 pay cut. Right. I mean, and so you kind of just have to get out there and see what's out there. Like, get in a job, find out what you like. You get more exposure to what other roles are you. Every, you know, every client I go to, I just increase my network of people, and it can be a slow grind. Right.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

But.

[Nate Amadon]

But you just. You always need to be moving, always need to be thinking about, you know, what you want to do and where you want to grow, what you want to grow into.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah. And I mean, you know, I noticed here in one of your bullet points that, you know, you talk about three experiences that significantly shaped your leadership with your approach. Okay? And one of those in here says, being mentored and challenged by a chief master sergeant as a. A young captain. All right? So here you are in charge. Everybody has to. You have to salute the man, the rank, no matter what. But here's master chief, what's going on?

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah. So, I mean, this is one of the biggest leadership lessons I got, which was, you know, I was a brand new aircraft commander, and, man, I was so type A. Like, I. I was in everybody's chili, right? And I just, you know, go. I'm, like, I'm running around. Like, it's just, you know, I was just spinning at an uncontrollable rate. Right? And I remember being down. So in the C17, you have, you know, your pilots usually in the cockpit and then load masters are the. Are running all the cargo stuff. Right? And I mean, we're, you know, you're putting young, young kids in a lot of ways that they're, you know, 17, 18, 19 years old, you know, and they're. They're in charge of loading, like, Marine One into a small plane. Right. I mean, like, it's an amazing amount of responsibility. And I'm. I'm back there. I don't know about how to load cargo. Right. I mean, like, I kind of know, and I'm, like, walking back there and I'm, you know, just kind of like, oh, is that you doing that?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Okay.

[Nate Amadon]

You doing this? Okay. And there was a chief on the chief load master on the flight. And yeah, I remember he just, like, pulled me aside, basically, like, pinned me up against the side of the plane and was like, get the out of here. Like, like, you are making it all worse. Like, do ever. We know what we're doing. You need to calm down. And, you know, I don't think there was a sir in there at all, and there shouldn't have been. And he's 100 right? Right. And it was like oh okay. Like you part of this is taking care of your folks and like really learning how to have trust and like I don't have to be in charge of everything, right? I have to set up the environment so everyone can be successful and support

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[Nate Amadon]

And so that was just a huge lesson, man. And I tell this to everybody, especially the young pilots I fly with. Like, man, listen to your senior NCOs, like, find them attach to their hip and just, man, they know what's going on and they're gonna, and they, they want to help you, so let them help you.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

And they want you to know that they want, that they're, that they're there. They're the schoolhouse teacher too. It's like, you know, the men go to them, you know, and, and he goes to you and you go to him to go to the men. And, and there should be that kind of conversation between the seniors and the officers. And, and that's cool of you. And, and, and hey, that's what it took. Right? It's like, give me everything you need to get checked.

[Nate Amadon]

Right. I mean, and so, but this lesson really applies in the private sector too. So I'm going into software development organizations. I don't, I'm not a software engineer. Right, right. And so I'm really about the process, how we get aligned communication, making sure everyone's on the same page. But. So I go out and find the most senior engineers. I find the person that knows, that's been there a long time, that knows what's going on, attached to their hip. I ask them questions and yeah, and I become their advocate, they become my advocate. And then you can really affect change like you can. That's how you, that's how you really get things done. Everyone thinks the military is command and control. Right. And that's just not the case at all. Right. I didn't, I didn't order that many people to do do that many things as an officer throughout my whole career. Because you shouldn't have to.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, it was just, if you had to say something, it was like, I, I, I got you. Yes, sir. You know, it's like, you know, hey, flip the flaps. You got it, sir.

[Nate Amadon]

You know, right.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Because you have to let the dog. You have to let them go and do their. You have to trust in the team to do the job. And when you blow the dog whistle, okay. They all come back. But you'd say, okay, go do your thing, but come back when I need you.

[Nate Amadon]

Yep, absolutely. And so, like, that's something that you can't learn in a book. Right? And the private sector does a horrible job of training people to be in leadership positions, and the military does a really good job. Not just through the training. I mean, the training is good. Right. And there's a ton of leadership training in the military, but just through the experience of doing it. Right. The amount of responsibility I had at 28 was wild. Right. Compared to my private sector peers. And, and that pays off. And that's what we do in our company, basically.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Oh, yeah. The average age of a someone on an aircraft carrier is 19 years old. That's.

[Nate Amadon]

That's the.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Running a bajillion dollar aircraft carrier with all these lives of pilots, Everybody on board, you know, I get the captain and the admirals and everybody have a little bit of an older. But they're probably in their 40s.

[Nate Amadon]

Right, right? Yeah. Right.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Okay.

[Nate Amadon]

Okay.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, dude. Okay. So, I mean, like, they're like, yeah, I just got done playing contra. Now go shoot torpedoes at that submarine. You know, you're like, serious, sir. One ping down bubble. You know, it's like, all right, hey, dude, I tell you what, bro. It's like, one thing I'll say is,

[Nate Amadon]

like, the private sector is really missing out. And this is a part that's so frustrating because there is so much untapped talent and value coming out of the military that it's just getting overlooked because of these stupid AI filters and people thinking that they need, you know, very specific experience when they really don't. They really need those foundational skill sets and the foundational skills that we learned in the military, like, that's what makes a great employee. And so I, you know, it's frustrating to me. That's one of the reasons I started this company was just out of frustration because there's just so many highly capable people that shouldn't be struggling to find a job in our.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, exactly. And, and coming from your culture you have a mission, and it seems like a purpose to help those in that same transition phase. You're like, you're looking for veterans to come on to your, you know, company and help them help network. You're looking for people that you want to network who are veterans who are transitioning. And that's probably the best way to put it is to network with you so that they can. You guys can just BS back and forth like, oh, hey, you'd make a good. You know, let me drop you to this bowl of chaos.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, right, right. And maybe that's not for everybody, but,

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

like, even

[Nate Amadon]

I always say this, like, your experience in the military is valuable and needed in the private sector.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

I would put Chaos Master on my resume. Chaos Master? Yeah. Just chaos. Yeah, I mastered chaos. And you're like, what? Exactly.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, Certified Chaos Master.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Exactly, Exactly. No, I think that you're great, and I love your attitude and your demeanor and. Yeah, you do have a great smile. Okay, let's just point that out one more time, you know, and hopefully I would get all the good missions on your team, sir. You know what I mean? That's all I want is just to do the job that you wanted of me. Take out the trash without you asking for it to be taken out. Because you're in charge of the mission. You're in charge of giving me the coolest job on the team.

[Nate Amadon]

Team.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Because I take the trash out for you without being asked, man.

[Nate Amadon]

That. Dude. That's such a great point, Brad. Like, one of the. We have some delivery principles that we operate by, and one of them is like. Like, we'll paint rocks. Like, it's what. Whatever the client needs, we're gonna do. We're gonna do it really well. And, like, we're not above anything. And. And we. So let's say you're getting into a new transitioning out, out. Like, that mindset is so critical to come in and be like, I'm here to help the team do the mission, and whatever it takes, I don't care. Right. Like, like you said, if the trash needs to be taken out, let's take out the trash. Right.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

If I need to go be asked,

[Nate Amadon]

yeah, I need to organize the sticky note closet. I'm gonna do that. If no one's taking notes in a meeting, I'm gonna do that. Right. Like, and so this. That mindset is not real common in the process private sector. And once you get into a position, you can differentiate yourself real quick.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Well, I could just see you sitting there, like, you know, typing out Orders and, like, getting things all going for a flight log and everything that you have to get preparation. And, you know, you mess up the paper and you throw it away, and it falls out of the trash bin onto the floor because it's full. So last thing you need to do as the guy giving me the gig is say, hey, can someone take my trash out for me? Because I'm literally trying to write radle this cool op order, but Radel's got. Not taking my trash out. He's getting a bro to do it. So someone just do it. Get it done, right? And now you're pissed. You're like, boom, period. You know, you're. You're cleaning the plane today. It's like, well, that's the mission. Okay, cool. All right, all right. But you're doing the windows. But those are. I'm just saying there's the bro and the friend on the team. The bro is the guy that just passes the chain down. The boss goes, hey, throw this away. He goes down the chain, hey, throw this away for the boss. The boss needs that thrown away. The last guy's like, well, I guess I'm the last guy to do it. I'll go do it. I'm the last bro. But the friend would have already seen that you're writing the mission, you're getting it developed, and that the trash is overflowing in your office and throw it away for you. So that when you throw that paper away, you don't just stop your thought process.

[Nate Amadon]

Right? Well, so a lot of that comes down to, like, just being aligned on what we're doing, right? Like, everyone's on the same page, knowing what the mission is, who's doing what, we all have our part hurts and, you know, especially, like, flying C17s out in the system, like, we're all one team, one fight, right? We all. We all go down in the same fiery ball.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

That's what's up, dude. Yes. Rank don't matter there. Unless there's one parachute, I don't know how that would work. Is there. Is it. Is it like the Enya song? I will go down with this ship. Is that that? Is that. Is that how. Is there an ejection? Is there any way to get off a C17?

[Nate Amadon]

No, there's no ejection in the C17. We. We carry a few parachutes. It used to be four. Now I think it's two. And. Yeah, and so you. You kind of just assume as the. As the. As the pilot that you're not going out in a Parachute.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

So, yeah, because you're gonna probably try to maintain the craft. You're gonna go down the ship with the Titanic because your whole thing is like, you're. Everything you're doing has been trained for a stressful, chaotic situation to, like, try to flip every switch, go through every procedure to try to get the engines back up and running, to try to pull it out of any type of a dive. That's you. You're probably gonna always just do your best to save your team and your men. And you obviously have landed many, many times, because here you are today.

[Nate Amadon]

Yep. Successfully landed.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Successfully landed. Every time I get off a plane, I just say, say, thanks for landing. I don't even care about the turbulence. You landed this bad boy, dude.

[Nate Amadon]

Right. People are like, oh, that was a good landing or a bad landing? I was like, you're walking off. It's a good landing.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, you caught the fourth wire on the trap, but good job. You know, it's on an aircraft carrier. It's like some people.

[Nate Amadon]

Some people say every landing is a crash landing, except you just have wheels down on the good ones.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

San Francisco is a tough airport for me, man. Every time we fly into San Francisco. Francisco, I'm just like, okay, first of all, it comes into water. You're like. You look out the window, you're like, okay, why are we just, like 15ft off the water and then all of a sudden, the wind and everything, and you land.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah. You know, there's some. There's some crazy airfields out there, right, that are.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah.

[Nate Amadon]

Quantico, for example. I mean, that one is wild. You know, it looks like a postage stamp, and it's not very long.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Have you ever had to come in. Have you ever had to come in sideways to a landy. To only come in straight? Like, has it been so windy that you're just like.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, I mean, like, you can come in. There's been some. You know, a constant crosswind is actually okay. Right. It's the one that is gusty. That's the problem. So. So, you know, you go from. When you go from, like a constant, you can just set the kind of the standard controls, and then you don't have to move a whole lot. But when it's is real gusty, that's when it gets sporty, because you're constantly having to adjust and change the whole time, so. Yeah, but that's what we train to do, bro.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, I know. Exactly. I love it. And a C17 is so cool, man. Does it have. So like a C130 has like boosters to take off quickly on a, off of a, off of a Runway. Does the C17 have any accessories that help it to like get that extra push to get off of a shorter Runway?

[Nate Amadon]

No, I just say we don't need boosters. We're just, we're just badass. We just take off.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, you just go. You just go.

[Nate Amadon]

The C17 is, it is crazy capable, right? I mean the four engines, it's usually way overpowered for what you need. And the Coolest part about C17 is its ability to take off and land in an amazingly short amount of time, like distance.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Right?

[Nate Amadon]

And the brakes, thrust traversers. And what's really cool about it is it flies what's called backside flight. So basically if you ever watch C17 land, the flaps go down pretty far and what's happening is the exhaust is actually hitting the flaps, providing more lift.

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[Nate Amadon]

Fly a lot slower so you can land in a lot shorter distance.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Amazing.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, I mean, it's one of the only planes that can back up. Right? I mean we can, we can, we can, you know, put our hands back there.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

You can wiggle a little back. You're like hit the correct in the rear view mirror. You got like backup camera. You're just. That's great.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Why just the C17? Why is that one of the only. Why not?

[Nate Amadon]

Well, I mean, you know, a lot of the planes were built for that and so the C17, they really just put in everything from all the lessons Learned from the 141 and the 130s to really, in the C5, to really come up with just, just an awesome, awesome plane. So huge props to, to the team that built it because it's, it's done a lot and it's pretty good.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

It's like the second largest aircraft in our inventory, I think. Right. I mean, I'm not in it anymore, but like, have you ever float. Did you ever get to fly the C5 or just the C17?

[Nate Amadon]

No, just the C17. I mean, I, I went to pilot training, a few, a few trainer jobs, jets, and then right to the C17. I mean, I've been on C5s flying, but yeah, it won't let me touch the controls.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

No. But you flew a couple trader jets, huh?

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, I'm pilot training. I started out with the, you know, I flew it T38, T37, the tweet. And then we went in, I went into the T1, which is like a business jet.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

And you learned how to like shoot the watch a little bit. Is that what happened?

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah, you learn all that stuff and then, you know, you realize you get to the C17, that it's like, oh, it's got autopilot, auto throttles full like GPS navigation. You know, we. So the C17 has a stick instead of a yolk, right? Oh, and then it has a trigger for your guns, but we don't have any guns. So that's our radio trigger is the

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

stick in the center of the legs, whereas the yolk would be right there. So the stick is right there as well.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah. And it's got heads up display, so it's got a hug and it's fly by wire, so it's really maneuverable. And. Yeah, I mean. And you know, the other thing we can do is we can actually pull our thrust reversers out in flight. So the thruster versions that help you stop and go backwards, you can do it while you're flying. And so you can just basically fall out of the sky. Like you can just straight down. And that's, that's super fun. That's pretty wild.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

That's so cool. You're so cool. I love that. I. I think you have a, A cool job. That's very, very cool to fly the C17. It's such a. Its tail is. When you see its silhouette, it's just so thin and just such a wide, you know, tail, such a.

[Nate Amadon]

It's so big and you just. When you get down with the flight, you get down with the flight and you walk off the plane, you turn around and you. Every single time still, it's like, I can't believe this thing flies.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

It's so cute, right?

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

When I was at Lackland, we would see C5s flying over us, probably C17s, and you're like, how does that thing even stay in the air? At Kelly Air Force Base, flying out of Kelly all the time. It's like, how, how does it even. How. And then obviously there has been some issues with the. These planes where sometimes they're loaded incorrectly and they're. There's like footage from 2009, 2012 where there was something taking off out of like maybe Kandahar or something and the plane just couldn't get off and it Just went straight down because something shifted inside. I mean, it is a delicate situation still.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah. Well, I mean, back to, Back to the amount of responsibility we put on, you know, our. Our Loadmaster fleet. Right. I mean, if. If. If the cargo's not strapped down correctly, you know, when you hit turbulence or. Or something breaks and all the cargo slides all the way to the back of the plane, your weight and balance is screwed, and then you might not make it.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah. And that's. And that's real, too. So you have to always just be, you know, attention to detail.

[Nate Amadon]

Attention to detail.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, attention to detail. Don't be lackadaisical.

[Nate Amadon]

Right.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

It's important. It's important. And in your transition. Okay. Attention to detail. All right.

[Nate Amadon]

That same, that same skill set is another one of those foundational skills that we learn in the military because it's so important. That is super valuable in the private sector. Right. Knowing what's important and what's not and feeding, you know, your manager, your boss the right information. That's for the important stuff. Because you're thinking about the entire mission. You're thinking about what it is this team does and that attention to detail is valuable.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

So valuable. You're valuable. I want you to know that. From me to you. You. I don't know if you've heard it today, but thank you for what you've done and where you've gone and all the things you've been involved with and the salute that you raised in a 90 degree fashion on several occasions to reaffirm your commitment to the Constitution. Okay. And to the country. So thank you for that. I appreciate you wearing the US Air Force, US First. Okay. And. And fighting for us and flying for us and always looking down on the ground saying, I wonder what it's like down there for those guys. I hope I helped. And them up there going, geez, I wonder what it's like up there. I. I'm. That's got to be real nice at an aircraft, you know, so. And, and I hope you get to meet some of those guys that worked on the ground below you who are calling you in and stuff, and you guys can have some high fives and handshakes and. And if you were one of those guys that did call in Nate or needed him on the, on the Reach out network, hey, you know,

[Nate Amadon]

for sure, reach out, man. I think networking is so important, and, you know, we're all here to help, so don't hesitate to reach out, you

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

know, and I've had you for an hour of solid time You're a solid guy, and I would love to have you back on the show anytime. And we could talk further about, you know, education, continuing, you know, business transition for veterans, how you might have more networking opportunities, you know, from Form 100, which, by the way, when you type it in, at first, it brings up a couple tax forms, and I just was like, that's not what I want today.

[Nate Amadon]

So there's a real question on branding and naming. Our team's gone over a lot, and I. I've definitely thought about changing up the name. What's funny, I came up with the name kind of just randomly. You know, you've started multiple companies, right?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yes, I have.

[Nate Amadon]

You're kind of just like, I don't know, pick a name. I just fell into the entrepreneur thing. And so, so there's an Air Force Form 100 that he signed to request leaving active duty. And so I said, that sounds kind of cool. So I've hit that.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

So it is a. It is the actual form that pops up.

[Nate Amadon]

Yeah.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

I'm like, taxes, no. Form, no. Let me put it all together as one word. You put it together as one word, it pulls you up.

[Nate Amadon]

Not the best marketing. This isn't a marketing podcast.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

No, no, no, no, no. We're just here to talk about transition. Veteran life and kicking ass, bro. And, And I always like to say that, you know, the definition of an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur is someone looking for a job. Okay. So, you know, you're only going to hustle as hard for yourself as you can because you got to survive. And if it's just you, you're an entrepreneur for yourself. If you're getting food for yourself, if you're taking care of yourself, it's kind of the definition. So you just kind of expand that.

[Nate Amadon]

Yes.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

And grow that and invest in that, and the next thing you know, 20 years later, you're not having to search on LinkedIn. Although it is fun to see who looks at your LinkedIn. I, I, I do not mind that little red bubble. It's like 27 people. Your score is up this week. I'm like, who's looking at me some? You know, some. You can only imagine the people who are looking at me, bro.

[Nate Amadon]

It's probably me. I looked at your profile before.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Oh, did you now? I love it. I love it. I should get pro, but I'm not gonna buy it. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. No, I am a pro. I am a pro. What's up? Well. Well, thank you again for being here. And I'LL wind the show down by just saying, you know, if you're looking out there for some type of, you know, advice or networking, you know, look up form 100. You know, is it. It's dot com, right?

[Nate Amadon]

Is that dot com 100consulting.com?

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Yeah, form 100consulting dot com. See if there's any type of a fit there. This is networking. You're networking with Rad, who networks with Nate, who's networking with you, who's listening and watching right now. Just hit them up, right? It's okay. It's cool. Just try it, see what happens. And if you have any questions you want to reach out to me on Instagram, you know how to find me because you've done it before, so continue to do so. I'm cool like that. I can remind you about the episode. Say, oh, you want to talk to Nate? No problem. C17. Yeah. Form 100consulting.com. Go check it out. And, you know, to your team, like Maria and everybody that's out there, you know, helping to keep you going, you know, big salute to them as well, because, again, you know, a good manager surrounds themselves with good people to make them a good manager.

[Nate Amadon]

Yep. So true, Brad. Well, I appreciate you having me on, man. I appreciate what you're doing here with this podcast and everything for the community. It's awesome.

[Rad (Host of Soft Rep Radio)]

Well, thank you. And again, on behalf of Brandon Webb and Callum, my producer, and everybody on the back end, Logan, Xander and Nate, right here on our show, thank you so much for being on the show. And this is Rad saying, go to the merch store and peace.

[Nate Amadon]

See you.

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