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Brute force if it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, Military News and straight talk with the guys in the community.
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What's going on? This is Rad, your host for Soft Rep Radio. All those cool sound effects. What's going on? Welcome back to the program. And if you're new to the show, welcome for taking the leap and clicking on this link to see who we're talking to, which you already know. But before I introduce you to him, let me talk about the merch store softrep.com merch or I think it might be store merch softrep. Look up soft Rep Merch and you will find all sorts of cool branded items for you, designed by guys and gals behind the scenes here at Soft Rep in the special operations community that they think you'd like. Like a shirt that says Soft Rep. Real simple, right? Second we have. Well, I got distracted by my ministry shirt, but second. Second I want to talk about the bookstore. We have a book club, right? So if you go to softwarep.com book club, you could check out a cool book out there that would, you know, help grow your muscle of your brain. Take your brain to the gym, which is the library or a book, and read it and gain some knowledge. And that's softrep.com book club. Go check that out. Now my next guest is Kyle the Kyle Steiner from the United States Army. I'm going to read his bio real quick and then we'll get talking to Kyle. Kyle Steiner's military career is Marked by his service as US Army Green Berets and Chief Warrant Officer, he has been involved in numerous high stake missions, including the infamous deployment in Afghanistan where he was part of the infantry company that saw nearly 80% of all combat. Steiner's experiences in combat have been featured in acclaimed documentaries such as Restrepo or Korengal. Despite being shot in the head during his deployment, during this deployment he survived and has since completed multiple missions to the Middle East, Central America, South America with US Special Operations Teams. His military career has been distinguished by numerous awards including two Purple Hearts, three Bronze Stars, as well as the ARCOM Army Combination Medal with V device. Steiner's expertise in managing teams and assets under pressure is a testament to his leadership skills and operational experience. And we're going to talk to him. Welcome to the show, Kyle.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Thanks, brother. Happy to be here.
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Rad (Host)
I am happy to, happy to have you on board. Now, I would be not telling the truth if I hadn't said I've seen Restrepo, right, the documentary or Strepo, just to jump into that. You know, I saw that title in your bio. We talked about it a little bit and I watched the whole thing. It's very eye opening about what went on. It reminds me of the Lord of the Flies. There's a novel called Lord of the Flies where you have a bunch of kids who are plane crashed on a deserted island and it's like, who put you in charge? Well, you guys seem to at least keep the in charge intact with your chain of command, you know. Can I ask you something? Were you a part, is it the 173rd? Is that who you were a part of at Restrepo? What unit were you with with at Restrepo?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Well, yeah, at that time in the war they were starting to kind of change brigades and battalions. So they were making something called a BCT, a Brigade Combat Team. So the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team, ABCT. Well, it consisted of two parachute infantry regiments, second on the 503rd and first of the 508th and what it became first the 503rd. So I was Battle Company, 2nd Platoon, second of the 503rd Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 173rd Airborne.
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Rad (Host)
Of the 173rd. And that's out of Aviano, right? Italy.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
No, that's where we jump out of. It's out of Vicenza. So it's a hour and a half or two hours south of Aviano, but that's where we go to jump.
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Rad (Host)
So are you a 13 Fox series? Is that what that would be go. Are you affordable? No, I was an 11 Bravo.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
That was an 1111 Bravo.
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Rad (Host)
Just all infantry.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yep.
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Rad (Host)
So no. No forward observers in that mix or nothing like that with the.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
We had one attached. Anders. Teacher. Yeah. And yeah, he was actually right next to me when I got shot in the head. Awesome, dude. He called our fire. I mean, we were dropping 80, 90 of the. The indirect fire assets in Afghanistan at that time for those 15 months. Like, it was all our 155s, our 120s, our. Our JDAMs, the A10s just like, live near us.
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Rad (Host)
They're like, we're just gonna park here. O. You're like, we need a Bert. They're coming through. And you're saying a lot of acronyms. And for somebody that doesn't really live in the acronym world, you know, I mean, you're talking about artillery and the rounds coming out of these guns. Let's quote, unquote, call them big boys. Like, and dropping out of aircraft JDAMs, right. That's like a huge munition that has multiple abilities to navigate.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah. Anything you see above your head. And like, depending on where we were on the mountainside, you know, certain aircraft can't go. They have altitude ceilings. So we A10s, that's the. The low flying, kind of slower jet, but huge cannons, like Batman cannons on it.
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Rad (Host)
And 30 millimeter. 30 millimeter Gatling gun. Right. And the plane is built around the gun. It's like, well, how do we make this gun fly? And they're like, make it look like a hog. A Warthog. Yeah, exactly. Warthog. You know, put some shark teeth on it that should carry it. You know, you're like, all right. And so. But it has great capability, but limited ammo. Right. Like, you guys could probably use like three of the straight same runs from the same guy, but he can come in and, like, he's got to go kind of reload because he burns everything up so quick on runs.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
But we were dropping all the artillery. 155 are the big cannons and 105s and then mortars are the tubes that you drop it. So we were just taking and using those more than anybody else in country at that time.
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Rad (Host)
And the reason why it was such. I mean, you guys were in a position of power at that outpost. It was like high ground. You guys were able to see around you and down and, you know, kind of had the high ground. The sun. Art of War. I was gonna say Sun Tzu, but Art of war, right? Is that what I'm Thinking, well, yeah,
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
because the Cornwall outpost where the company area was set up was at the base of the valley. And then once we got there, 10th Mountain held it for a little while before we got. And when we came into country, they just decided to start stationing platoons in the fighting positions of the Taliban. So they were like, well, they keep shooting at us from up there, so why don't you guys just go build something in that spot? And we just hijacked their areas, which they had like dugout fighting positions. All the brass from the AKs and the PKMs, the. The Afghan weapons was just all over the ground. And we just kind of, just kind of. We just kind of deboed their. Their areas and. But it was, yeah, it was like two and a half hour walk up this mountain where at certain points there was ropes tied to trees because it was just so steep. So, you know, there was no way to drive up there. So anything we got was airlifted by a helicopter and dropped to us. So the first night we went up, it was sandbags and pickaxes and shovels, and we just dug a little semicircle with sandbags and hunkered down there. And. And the next morning, you know, they thought they were like, hey, you know, they took our spot. So we just got rocked, you know, and that's why I ran into a guy years later from the department of the Army Historical Society. And I didn't know this, and he informed me, he said, oh, you know, you were part of the Restrepo crew. And I said, yeah. And he said, you know, you guys set a couple records for engagements during the G Wat. I said, oh, that's cool. He said, yeah, 2000, September 2007. It was 111 firefights in that month. I think we had 14 in one day in that month. I mean, we were just getting rocked non stop because we were right in their backyard, you know, and the maneuverability was nothing. We couldn't go anywhere.
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Rad (Host)
Bro. Bro. Yeah. And if you haven't seen the documentary Strepo, it's very humbling. It's funny, there's some moments of like, you guys being you and then all of a sudden coming in fire, wearing shorts and no shirts and just like, it's, it's, it's just Lord of the Flies, but with some chain of command.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
It's just like, I describe it as Lord of the Flies to people because I'm like, nobody ever came up there besides our basic command. You. Every couple months you'd get a general you know, call over the radio, like, hey, I want a cop, Restrepo. And we'd be like, okay. So we get the call, like, hey, you need to shave up and actually put something on. And we'd all sit on the edge and look down, and the helicopter would land, and we could see them explaining, like, all right, you know, general, like, we. You're have to walk up there. And he'd be like, oh, okay, well, next time then. They never can't, you know. So we just sat up there waiting for him. So, yeah, we were fighting shirtless. I think at one point, you can see Misha had cut his boots into what looked like bowling shoes. And, like, we just, you know, I mean, we went like 80. 80 some odd days without changing our clothes. Your pants were so, like, crusty, they would just stand up on their own. Yes, it is what it is, you know, MREs for 15 straight.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah, dude. Just getting it dropped off to you. Did they ever drop anything, like, other than MREs to you? Like, anybody's like, yo, man, here's some, like, you know, some butterfingers or something, man. Keep you guys going.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Every now and again, the pilots would. It was funny because the pilots would. For Thanksgiving, they did bring us a couple of things, but they would open their. Their door. They had the sling load with the official stuff they would give us, and then they kind of throw us out trash bags of stuff that they had gotten at different bases. Books, most notably. Like, books was awesome because we were like, man, we're just sitting up here twiddling our fingers or fighting or digging, you know, pulling guard. So they would. They would kind of throw us here, little. Little lickies and chewies. But, like, the one time the dude gave us a box of, like, hot sauces for. For. For the MREs, and we were so pumped, we're like, oh, man, we got, like, three hot sauces. We like. We make these things. And it might have been an hour or two later we got into a firefight, and it got rocked. And some dude walked out of this hooch just covered in hot sauce because it had just been just destroyed. And we were like, no, no, the hot sauce.
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Rad (Host)
Come here. We love each other. Let me lick some of that off your cheek, bro. Dude. Oh, bro. So I love that you can still smile today. I know there's a lot that goes down in a firefight, you know, that you guys have to compartmentalize and just move forward through. And, you know, Restrepo came. You spent so much time there, they shut down that outpost I think after you guys were there, right? Wasn't it like, kind of like dissolved or like, we're not gonna need it anymore?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
1st 1st Infantry Division, they had just been changed from mechanized, so means they were in strikers to light infantry. And they got to take it for a little while. And I don't know where it went from there, but I do know it got destroyed before the pull out. I, I, somebody, I ran into somebody who was an EOD guy and he had a video of them rigging it to blow up. And to be honest with you, that, that hurt more than seeing the pull out of Afghanistan because I was like, man, I spent so much time digging that, like, hole right there.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah, you have no idea. The, the wind kept blowing and I finally fixed it, guys.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, like, all the spots we built and they just blew it up and they thought, you know, there was cheers. And I was like, man, that sucks, because that's, it's a fond memory for me. Yeah, there was a lot of bad things that happened, but, but it's still, it's a very fond place to me for my brother.
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Rad (Host)
How old were you when you went through that changing of your life?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I had my 21st birthday there.
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Rad (Host)
Oh, wow, that's gnarly, dude. And so you were in since you were just a young man? 17. Did you enlist after school or in school or what?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, I listened after school and I had a one year delayed entry program. Tried college for a minute. It didn't really work out. So I ended up going, getting in the infantry. I was about 19. And then immediately pretty much training and deploying straight to there. It was my first taste of combat, you know, and, you know, at the time, so many people were in a soft. I became soft later on, but nobody knew what the, just the old grunts, you know, the old 11 Bang Bangs were doing. The infantry was just out there just sucking. And it's funny, at one point an SF team came in to kind of pass through. A special forces team passed through and they just stopped for a minute, looked around for a couple hours and like, what are you guys doing up here? And we're like, they told us to be up here. You know, we're like, by a burn barrel that we, we made, it's cold and you know, and so, but we were doing what we were told as, as just young infantrymen. And it was great. I, I look, look back on it fondly. I really do.
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Rad (Host)
Were you inspired by any of those SF guys to then follow through with the SF program? Were they just like, out there doing a stress test, and they come across you, you're like, what are you guys doing up here? Like, we're just chill. We, like, walk through. We walk on water. Why are you here? You know?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, we thought they were cool, man. We thought. And, and your interactions with SF guys vary, obviously, depending on who you get. But I, I, I had tried to go SF when I was younger right off, right off the street, and it didn't work out. I was too immature. You know, I'm 19. I didn't know what I was doing. So, you know, I got a non select from the selection course, just saying I was immature. Ended up going to the 173rd Airborne, and then later on seeing them multiple times, you know, and BDUs with their beards, when we had quick reaction where we'd go and help people, and then they were, they would just kind of show up. And I was like, wow, they're cool. And I remember one time I was pulling guard. I don't know what I was doing. I was pulling guard somewhere, and I was just standing in the rain as an infantryman does, like, like pretty, pretty cold rain. And this dude kind of looked at me, and he was like, what are you, garden? And I was like, that. The radios or whatever. And he's like, well, it's 21 days to a Better Life. Which is insinuating. Go back to selection. So, yeah, I did, I did definitely get inspired by them. It was my wife, my now wife, ultimately, that inspired me, because she later asked me after I met her, like, well, you tried this thing, and it didn't work out. Like, you should probably try again. And it kind of dug into me, and I was like, all right, well, cool.
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Rad (Host)
You got to show off for the girl, bro. You got to do it for the girl. You're like, oh, she wants the door open. Okay, I got this. Oh, she wants me to be Green Beret. No problem. Right? Let me go get a beanie on. And, you know, growing up in that culture and in that lifestyle, I thought everybody in the military, when I'd walk with my dad holding his hand, we'd go on an Air Force base here in Utah, and he'd go get his meds for my mom or whatever, and he'd have his beret on. We're all walking in, Dad's got his beret on. I'm holding on dad's hand, and some Air Force guy comes walking out wearing a trucker hat. And I said, dad, how come he doesn't have a beret? And he's like, come on. That's all he would say. Come along. Just come on. And I'm like, oh, doesn't everybody have a beret? No, nobody. Not everybody has a green beret, specifically. Right? It's a politician, a teacher, sometimes a soccer coach. That is all put into one dude's brain. And he wears that green beret as a symbol of, you know, we're just not the same, you know, and everybody knows that. And congratulations to you for going through all of that and going through your selections and going through your Q course and going through seer. Okay, so Q course is qualification course. SEER is survival, evasion, resistance, and escape. So they can pretty much, like, try to proof you from giving up information. Yep. Any. Any stories from SEER that ring out in your head right now?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I mean, you know, I'm pretty heavily tattooed, so I. I always go back to the me standing on the log completely naked, pretending to fly like an airplane, while the. The. The captors, you know, made me say, look at me. I'm the painted man, you know?
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Rad (Host)
No kidding?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah. You know, my dad did warn me about tattoos. He's like, you know, if you have a tattoo and you go in the military, Aaron, you know, if you get captured, you know, they're gonna fillet every layer of your skin off while you sit there trying not to give out. If they're fillet, and they're gonna know the ink and they're gonna know where it was put on you, and they're gonna know all these things. He would scare me so bad to get a tattoo. Well, guess what, dad. I got a tattoo now. Where you at? But seriously, he was serious about that.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, well, your dad was a Vietnam guy, you know, And I feel like. I feel like, man, they take Cyr a little more seriously with. With the Green Berets. I don't know. I don't know what the seals go through, but I know pilots and certain support people have to go through a modified versions of Sears, but we get the full kitten caboodle. You know, we get the naked, the cold water torture, the slapping, everything. And it's because the predominantly the guys that were captured in Vietnam were Green Brace. The guy who invented, actually pioneered searschool was Nick Rowe, who was a Green Beret, wrote a book, five Years to Freedom, you know, and it's his. His memoir, Being Captured for Five Years. So he pretty much stood up sear school. So I feel like they put a little more emphasis on it for us. And plus the documentary had Just kind of come out Restrepo. And I was terrified that they had, like, printouts of me. And I was like, man, they're gonna. They're gonna just swag me.
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Rad (Host)
Oh, bro. Yeah, because now you're like Hollywood, you're not just painted man. You're, like, painted Hollywood man, per se, by being in strip. Like, oh, you think you got some creds? Oh, I can only imagine, you know, like, the attitude an instructor would have if they found any intel on you.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Oh, yeah. And it was. It was. Hollywood is kind of an understatement, man. Because for a while, they showed rest trouble. So when I went through basic, you go through this, like, in processing center for two weeks, and then you report to basic training. So you're, like, getting your duffel bag with your gear and you're sliding down the bench, you know, as they're like, the women just throw, like, uniforms, boots, and hats in this bag, and they have TVs. And when I went through, it was Band of Brothers and Gladiator played on a loop non stop. I found out later that the. The later generations watched Restrepo on the loop. And I didn't realize it until I was walking through the Atlanta airport. Most infantrymen are graduating from Fort Benning, Georgia, and then going to Atlanta airport to fly out, Horsefield airport to fly out to their unit. And I got, like, mobbed. And mind you, I was coming back from Afghanistan as a Green Beret. I had a beard. I had really long hair. I came and flipped up and they were like, oh, it's him. And I had to walk up to the drill sergeant and was like, why do. Why do 200 privates know who I am? And they're like, oh, man. We play that thing on a loop and they just watch it all day. And I was like, okay, well, great.
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Rad (Host)
So I am sitting with the one and only Kyle Steiner from boot camp, ladies and gentlemen, if you watch that video, he is here with me today, and I am thanking you for joining us. This dude is great. So far, so good. Lots of positive vibes coming out of you for such toughness, dude. Okay, like, you had to go through a lot, right? So your. Your special forces career, what was your specialty on the teams? Were you like an 18 echo radio guy, or were you the Delta Bravo, which is armor? Yep, Bravo.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I was a Bravo. Weapons and tactics. That's how I got into it. I went to the Q course and I was like, you know what? I want to get to my. My oda, my A team as fast as possible. So I picked the shortest routes that I could. Now my uncle's a gun, and I had a lot of backing in it, so you can write little justifications. I was like, hey, my first choice is 18 Bravo. I have extensive experience with gunsmithing and stuff. And then I think they knew who I was. And I also picked Spanish and. And seventh group. That didn't work out initially. I actually was put in French first. But luckily, a guy, an SF guy that I saw when I was infantryman, and he knew me, he had become a cadre, an instructor in the course, and he saw me and he says. He says, hey. I was like, hey, man. And he was like, do you want to be in French? I was like, no, you know, I picked Spanish. And he was like, hold on a minute. So he went and grabbed some random dude in Spanish and moved him to French and moved me over to Spanish. There's a poor guy in Africa right now that it's my fault. And I'm like, oh, man.
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Rad (Host)
Oh, just know that dude that's like, you know, he's like, just literally, he had the power to swap you out at that point. Dude.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, he just kind of looked around. He looked at, like, the length of lines all was like, to put him in French and put you back in Spanish. And I ended up in that line. Walked up and said my name like, I'm supposed to be here. And they were like, all right. But, yeah, I was an 18 Bravo. A really cool course. I love being an 18 Bravo. And I was that for six, seven years. And then I went to be an 18 Fox, the intelligence sergeant that you have to get after you've done a certain amount of time as one of the four core Moss. And then. So I became a Fox. Did that for a couple years. I'm 88. And. But by that time, I had. I had acted as a team sergeant, operations sergeant for a little over half a year and. But I had. I had submitted my warrant officer packet prior to the board results for E8. Not thinking I didn't make it, just knowing I wanted to stay on a team. When you go warrant you, you delay the paperwork side of the job for another six years or so.
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Rad (Host)
You're sitting at a desk.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah. Fast rope. And you're back doing it with the voice. You're a little slower. One of my. Once I became a warrant officer later on down the road, and people knew who I was. I've been grouped for, you know, 15 years. They told me that I was like the. The Brett Favre of the team, but like the Brett Favre from the Vikings era. Like, yeah, he's still miraculous, but he's not as fast as he once was. And every now and again I'll throw a pick and I was like, all right, well whatever, I'll take it.
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Rad (Host)
I'll take it. You're like, oh yeah, I'll own that. Because did you go in as a Chief war or as a Warrant one and then just climb your way up to oh, three or Chief four or five? What'd you get to?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Right now you're two. So I went in as a one. Yeah. Now they have. Now they have a delayed entry where because you can't go to SF Warrant without a certain amount of time on a team, certain amount of experience, they have a way for you to get two right off the bat. That takes away two years of your team time. So now you only have four years additional team time. Sure I went through right at the
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Beginning of COVID So, like, they had the memorandum to give us two right off the bat. I would have qualified, but it just never got signed. Nobody came to work for like six months. So.
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Rad (Host)
Right. It was coveted. Dude, everybody's like, wear your mask, you're gonna get shot at by bullets.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, Fort Bragg was a ghost town, man, when. Because I was in the workhorse when they shut it down. And, like, it was eerie, man. No courses were happening. Nobody was going to work. You can see, like, tumbleweeds blowing across roads. But the warrant officer course for SF still went to work. It was like, only us just walking around.
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Rad (Host)
You're like, why am I not essential? You're like, am I not an essential person to have to, like, all right, wait, wait. Not essential? Like, me too, man. I have a. It was the weirdest time because I had two tactical stores that were operating during COVID and everything shut down, but they said only essential Businesses can operate. And we sold, like, ballistic goggles. So a lot of surgeons and everybody were coming in to get these goggles for surgery, and, like, everybody was buying them from us. So we got to stay open. And one time I had the fire department come in. I'm like, oh, they're going to shut us down. Okay, I get to go home now, right? They're like, no, Rad. Don't ever close. Don't you ever, ever close. I'm here picking up ammo for my kids. Don't you ever close. And I'm like, I just want to be home for three weeks, too, you know, but, you know, and driving on the freeway. Speaking of Fort Bragg, driving on I15, I was the only, like, car driving to work up north. I just don't know how to explain that. It was almost like when President Obama flew into Utah, the freeway was completely empty, and I was like, the last car that was, like, making it through the motorcade, security detail or whatever, and it was empty like that. I don't know how to explain the barrenness unless you live through this, you know? So if you live through Covid and you knew it was barren, imagine tumbleweeds flying across a base where you have people drilling and marching and moving and just complete. All the ants stopped.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah. I equate it to I am legend. Like, we're just walking down the road. That's what it was.
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Rad (Host)
Like Vanilla sky, when Tom Cruise is running down Times Square and he's looking around like, where is everybody? That was real. That actually happened in Covid, dude. It's like, no one's around, bro. So now we're Covid, you know, stressed in our lives, and you're now going through your warrant course, and you're already tabbed up as an SF guy. You just don't want to be put behind a desk. I knew a lot of guys in my dad's unit. One guy, he retired, but they're like, six months later. Like, why is he still shuffling up on the team to jump? Someone just brought up, didn't he retire? And so they had to go up to Scotty and say, hey, you retired, like, six months ago or seven months ago. And he's like, ah, guys. You know, I'm just. Guys.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
There used to be all kind of loopholes, man. They. They've done good at closing them, but there used to be loopholes for dudes to like, not get jump master school so that they could just never ascend, but just stay at this position of always being operational. And they've the army's kind of caught on to that stuff, so you really got to play your cards right. And I love to look at myself. An example. It's one of my, my few bragging points that I. I'll say myself because I never left to be an instructor. I stayed operational the entire time. So I have like 170 some months operational total. Wow. Yeah, I, I was able to change jobs, change a teams just at the right time for. They're like, oh, he's, he's new now, so we can't give him up for two or three years. And I would just keep doing that to try right along my time.
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Rad (Host)
Right, because you liked what you did and you wanted to stay in that system of it. And again, next thing you know, you're like, oh, that's the outpost up there. Well, we'll check on it later. You don't want to be that guy.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah. You know, it's. It's funny because I just wanted to hang out with the homies. You know what my life, my army career started as and what it ended as is me just wanting to be with the boys and do. Do cool stuff, you know? And that's, that's what I ended up doing.
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Rad (Host)
Are you in a band? Are you in a band? Are you a musician at all? Because you seem like a rock star. No, no, dude. I'm not saying it's the tats or the slicked back hair or the black shirt. Let's see, what does that shirt say? It says Operation Operator mindset. Is that what it says?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah.
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Rad (Host)
What you rep in operator mindset? What's going on there?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
It's. It's my, it's my business. It's. I've been starting to do these things where I'm doing like leadership retreats for middle management and C suite corporate executives. But unlike most of these that you see where it's just like, oh, come out and play war, or come out and do this, we're. I'm putting them in. So like in airsoft War, right, Where we run a capture the flag Airsoft War, where I give a little bit of a leadership class to some of these guys that are not getting the most out of their employees. And what I do is I put them in team leader and squad leader positions, much like ranger school, and then I have them maneuver people and now they can see the clarity of their guidance. Right. Their words. Your words mean something, you know? You ever seen that old thing where you have a guy kind of stand up and explain without showing how to make a paper airplane to a class of 10 people and you come up with 10 different paper airplanes because your words matter. So I kind of go through drills like that where I do different things. I put them a little bit of hardship, but again, it's not like a BUDS type thing where I'm smoking these, these businessmen at all. It's just, hey, man, wellness is important. We gotta, we gotta have clarity in mind. We sit around the fire, we, you know, we smoke some cigars and have some whiskey and we talk about things. But mostly it's trying to get them to see things from their employees point of view. I also do leadership consultations with, with just them individually and we'll go through picking up the slack for people. So I'll do range drills, actual live range drills where I'm like, hey, you know, his gun goes down, what are you gonna do? You got to pick up fire, right? We're just talking guns now. It's just basic infantry tactics. But, you know, the range doesn't lie. So if you freeze up there, you know, how are you doing in the boardroom? Right. So I equate military leadership and teamwork application to a business setting. So they can kind of see where they, where they're at under stress and under fire, real stress. Because the boardroom is not stressful compared to, you know, combat. And you're just getting hit with airsoft guns in this.
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Rad (Host)
But still, you know, the mindset is you don't want to get hit by said airsoft gun. Right? I do this all the time. This is my livelihood of doing kind of the same thing you're talking about. In fact, within my team that runs the operations, we're built as like a ODA. We're built as a 12 man team and up to 36. So we have a little bit of a rank structure and there's different people on the team that do different things. But the point is that at the end of the day, they're all what we considered rtos. My guys are all radio telephone operators. So I'll take one guy, embed him with five or six guys that are, you know, novice, and then I'll take another guy and embed him with the other six guys. And we're all talking to each other, right? And they're working the guys. But the whole time he's observing the leadership of that team, making sure that he's staying on the course of the grid and the map. And you know, whatever we have, we make a map for the land nav based off of Battleship. So you have ABCDEFG 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Right. And I'll be like, hey, yo, my guys haven't had any contact for the last 12 minutes. Can we move to Hotel 2? He's like, well, I'm at India too, so let's just meet. So they start moving into Hotel India, and next thing you know, you just kind of guide the team leader. You're like, sir, I think we should probably move over to this area. Intel just came through, and however you want to do that, I'm just going to fall back into the guys and fight with you. And so my whole goal is just to RTO him to make sure that he can lead their direction correctly and, you know, get it done. That's just what we do. I love that you utilize it as well. One of the things that my dad, former Green Beret guy, used to say, but when I started my business was, you know, Aaron. Yes, Aaron is my given name. Rad is my last name. So he's like, aaron, I want you to know that what you're doing is something that we've always needed on the teams. I'm like, well, how, dad? He's like, well, we would go out and do a stress test for, like, 72 hours and going up and down the mountains of Utah looking for waypoints. And at the beginning of that, we're always told to expect contact. He's like, so here we are. Get it up. All ready to do our GI Joe life. We have our everything we need. We're blanks. Everything's ready to go, and they're moving out, and they go up a hill, and at the same top of the hill is, like, number three, but they can't touch it. They have to go back down to two and then go back to three. And then at the end of the whole stress test, there's a dude stoking a fire, and he's just like, you're good. And he's like, where's this contact at? Where's this contact that we all just, like, grew up expecting in our lives as a Green Beret, you know? And he's like, that's where Airsoft would come in to, you know, be that contact. And today I have used that with the guys out at the camp Williams and whatnot as op force. So to see from 20 years ago, dad saying, hey, this is a good idea. This is how you should implement it. To how do I find my way into working with SF guys while being not SF guy? Okay. It's interesting how that life just kind of blended together. And I'm grateful and thankful to the 19th group. I wear my dad's ring everywhere I go ever since he's passed. You know, my mom gave it to me as a gift. He died right before my birthday. And three days later, she's like, here, I want you to have this. And I've worn it every day since 2013 as he was married to it. So it's on my right hand, he was married to it on his left. So it just rocks here. But, you know, I just always look down and I see those three, you know, lightning bolts that cross the sword on the crest of your patch, the special forces arrowhead. And I just know sea, air and land. And I just know that you guys are just the best of the best of the best with honors. Okay? It's like, you know, I'm not trying to get teary eyed, but it's real hard for me not to think about my father growing up in that life. And when I see guys like you or my close friends that are dressed up in their full class A's, I just. And if I see a blue cord on you, I'm like, are you dad? Dad? I'm like, is that my dad? Are you back? It's just something solemn about that uniform that you guys would wear and the shiny boots of those jump boots that he would wear. And you know, we'd go to the VA ceremonies for the veterans on November 11th around town and he'd be in his gear and all these people would just clamor over to him and like, just like want to talk to him. And I'm like, dude, this is my dad. What do you guys, why you guys all surrounded my dad about, you know, but, you know, I get it today and I just want to say, you know, thank you for going through that hard work of, of where you're at now. You know, you're still all of those things built out inside, but now you're just going to take that into a direction that is what I call cocoons, right? We cocoon ourselves every two years or so and come out with new colorful wings of butterflies, you know, so it's like whatever cocooning you've done and all these different wings that you've sprouted and now today, you know, you're working with businesses, you're trying to create successful, you know, leaders still, still, you know, that's your. That I don't know how you're gonna get away from that. So are you in a band? I'm like, is there anything else you do besides grow people?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
No, man. I love, I love helping and mentoring dudes like that. Because you gotta think about it, you know, the military, the US Military is the most successful corporation who ever exists on planet Earth. You know, I mean, we, we know how to lead people in stressful situations. Ranger school is one big leadership school. People like to think it's just like this toughness school and it sucks. You lose a lot of weight and you don't sleep very much. But the point of it is, can you motivate 30 guys that are starving and sleep deprived to, to accomplish a goal, to work together while they're falling asleep, while they're just. Their stomach is grumbling? They are hallucinating. They're so sleep deprived. Different things, you know, the hallucination stories of Ranger school wazoo. So can you motivate them to pull the best out of themselves when it, when it matters? And you take those lessons and you, and you input it into the settings in the civilian world and it just, it compounds exponentially. It's really, really something, Something sick.
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Rad (Host)
It really is. It really is. I mean, did you ever get HALO qualified as a jump airborne guy? Did you ever jump out with square shoots and whatnot? You did all that?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I'm a HALO jump master. Yeah.
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Rad (Host)
Did you ever have any close calls doing that?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, I did. I. I had a close call. It was, we were doing, we were doing a jump and it was a full night wall locker jump. So oxygen, the mask, the night vision, the rock, the, the web, the rifle, everything. And we were having, we were getting graded and I don't know what happened, but I had a guy that was tracking me and he didn't have anything on. He was a civilian guy from a company up in Canada, Flight 1. They're like professional skydivers. So we have him come in and watch us in the air, see how we're doing. And I, I jumped out, hit the blast, and I didn't realize that the bolt on my oxygen mask had been loose. So it's got a snap that you snap in, but then you snap it into some snap, some strappies that are bolted onto your helmet. I did not realize that it was loose. So as soon as I hit wind, it came undone and it started slapping me in the face with the wind and it made my nose bleed. So this, I'm in, I'm in pitch dark, but I can see the red blood kind of go up my goggles. And I was like, oh, man. So I'm Trying to wipe it away and flying. And I'm bringing my hands, and I'm starting to, like, wobble and stuff. And I realized that I go to check my altitude on my altimeter, and my mask hit. We have a tiny Chem light that's really, really small, and there's just a. It's still in this package with a square cut in it. You crack it so it just lets out a little bit of light to see your altitude that had broken. So now I'm looking at my altimeter, and I've got green Chem light, like, smeary running. So I can't see my altitude. I can't see through my goggles. And I kind of look over and just see a glimpse of the guy tracking me. He was just, like, shaking his head, and he was, like, pointing to, like, get away from everybody. So I, like, tracked away as far as I could and pop my chute and just came down completely blind. Blood and chem light juice everywhere. And, like, I land and that, and the guy came back behind me, and he was like, that was. That was wild, man. That was close. And I was like, I don't know what. I don't know what's going on. It's funny because the riggers were all concerned with the parachute because the chemite juice is toxic and it can, like, eat through it. So they're like, we need to get it to the washing machine. And I was like, still, like, all. All messed up. I'm like, come on, man, help me out here.
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Rad (Host)
Put me in the washing. But you need the washing machine, bro. You're like, put me in the washing machine machine. And that Chem light juice, we used to crack those open all the time and throw them all over us and walk in the. When we go camping and look like Predator got us and whatnot. I mean, it's that green juice from the movie Predator. If you ever saw the Predator get shot and he leaves that green juice on a leaf, that's the Chem light.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
It's completely covered up. My altitude couldn't see through. Oh, dude, they were bloody. I was like, this is terrible.
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Rad (Host)
Oh, my gosh.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
It was terrifying. I was like, I. Because you don't want to run into any. Anybody. You're typically looking down, looking up, waiting to see. And I'm like, man, I don't want to, like, smash into anybody on any either side of the pipe. So I tracked way away and just popped my shoot and was just, like, looking around for strobe lights, infrared strobe lights. Hoping I didn't run into somebody.
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Rad (Host)
And the guy was able to see you, like, having these issues while he was riding down with you, you know, tracking you, as you said. And he was just like, get away. So, I mean, were you. Did you have nods on? Is that. Did you jump with nods on?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
You jump with them kind of open a little bit. So they're about right here, so you can kind of see below. And if you need to, you can just kind of look up or move them a little bit. So I had them on, but I was. I was just kind of looking at him. I remember popping one down to see, but I still had blood everywhere, and I could just see him. This is the signal for, like, track away. So he was like, hey, just track away. So you kind of get into, like, a knife position, and you track as far as you can away from what we call the stack and the stack of dudes that are coming down in the line, you know, like ants in a row. He was like, track away. Because I can't see behind me. I can't see anything, and I don't know what's going to happen when I deploy this shoot. So that was my really, really close call. Yeah. Yeah.
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Rad (Host)
That's gnarly, dude. You're like. He's like, just get away from us.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, once, too, in a foreign country, I had a static line jump in a foreign country, and they, you know, they briefed us, and they're like, hey, just so you know, you're jumping into a pasture, so you're going to have barbed wire fence kind of separating the animals. And then you have these. These cows here and there. And I don't know what it was, a stackling junk, but they also didn't tell us there was a tire fire out there. So I'm like, going. And I look down, and I can see this huge group of steer, like, the big ones with the horns. I was like, oh, man, I don't want to catch one of those to the butt. So, like, I'm moving around, and then I can see the fence starting to come into play. I'm like, okay, there's barbed wire fence. But those cows kept following right underneath me. So as I move, they were just this huge herd of, like, like 40 cows. So as soon as I got close, within, like 100, 200ft, I was like, I'm gonna hit these cows and take
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Rad (Host)
one of these horns, you know, right at the baby.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
So I, like, flared hard and went backwards and actually landed in a tire fire. So, like, I'm I'm on top of the tires as they're on fire. And I was like, rolling off of it. Yeah. The rigors were running out to get the canopy because that's up in flames.
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Rad (Host)
Oh, MG dude.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah.
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Rad (Host)
That's crazy. A tire fire. That's not good.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
No. And, you know, they were like, what. Why'd you land on the tire fire? I was like, it was between that, the barbed wire and the cows. All right, Like, I did my best here.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah. And it's not like you could sit there and pull the. The. The cords down. I mean, a static line shoot, it's kind of hard to guide, isn't it? You have to, like, kind of just
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
do minor stuff and turns like this. So I was like, hey, I just didn't. I knew I didn't want to hit a barbed wire because I would have split me. And I knew I didn't want to hit a cow. So, like, the best of the three options was the fire.
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Rad (Host)
And did you. Were you injured during that jump? Did you get burned?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I mean, it was like the lightest jump ever because I hit this like, squishy tire, like old, like old tires, and it like bounced and then I
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Rad (Host)
just kind of rolled off.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
There was a couple tires coming after me. You know, I don't think I might have singed my sleeves a little bit, but I was like, that was wild.
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Rad (Host)
Oh, bro. Dude. So, okay, so you've been shot, you've been bounced off a tire fire, you've been knocked out by your oxygen mask on a halo deployment, slapping in the face and bloodying you up and. And. And this is the life that you love.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah, dude. That's what's up. That's what it takes.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
So I like, that's. That's like one of my huge, biggest points of pride.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I'm an army combat diver and you know, I passed that school at kind of an old age after I went warrant and yeah, I love it. I love doing all this stuff.
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Rad (Host)
You know, I told my, I was talking to my, bring up my dad again, right? I love his valor, I love my father. And he was always, you know, chasing one thing. You know, there's always someone in Green Beret and they're badass, but there's always someone in Green Berets who's like, better and another bigger dude on the block. Debo, there's another dude on the block that's bigger than you in the teams you're like, bro, you've got. And I was like, dad, what badge like did you not get that you wanted? He's like combat diver. He thought that if he had that little scuba guy on his kit, you know, he loved to dive too. So he was doing it his whole life. He just never got a chance. His theater of operation was like the Philippines and Thailand and Southeast Asia, the whole Pacific, you know, that was it. And he just never got that combat diver. So he's like, yeah, there's always someone out there that has something a little bit more than you out there. So never think that you're always the best because there's someone out there that's got a little more. And I was like, what? What do they got that you don't got? He's like, combat diver badge.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, I wanted it so bad. You know, I had, I became a sniper early on and then I went to the krift company as well, which are like crisis response companies. So it's all hostage rescue and direct action stuff. And then I became a halo and actually was on a recce team, because Halo and Sniper kind of go. Go hand in hand. And I had always wanted to be a diver. I had gone to pre dive the. The prep course right when I became a Green Beret. And something happened with Manning, and I wasn't able to finish. And they were like, hey, you go ahead and, you know, go to this team. Forget dive for now. And I was like, all right. And then I had. I had a really good friend who died in 13 trip, and he was a diver. And, you know, I remember them giving out hats and bracelets for him. And it had a dive bubble on it. I remember asking for one like, hey, can I get a memorial hat for. It was Alex Viola. And I kind of. They were like, you know, it's kind of for the divers. You know, he was a diver and that in me. And I was like, oh, hell no. You're.
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Rad (Host)
You're like, yeah. I'm just saying, like, those little. Yeah.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I got mad. And then. And then years later, when I went to the war course, I was having a brief with the command chief warrant officer, and he was like, well, what do you want to do? Kyle's like, I kind of want to go back to combat. He's like, well, the only teams that are going to combat that don't have a warrant officer are dive teams. He's like, would you be willing to go to dive school? I was 36 at the time, and I was like, yeah, I'll go. I went to dive school with 37 other Green Berets, and only 14 of us passed. Like, that school is terrible. It sucks so bad.
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Rad (Host)
But you got the bubble.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, I got the bubble. It was funny because I didn't win any events. I was like, middle of the pack, the back on all events, just barely making it. And then your final event, they just drive you out in this boat, like, way out there. And they're like, hey, we want to let you know that you guys all passed, but your last thing is a free open swim. Your dive bubbles are on the shore. And I won that. And they're like, this is the only thing you've won. I was like, you know how long I've wanted this? I'm like, my old ass is like, just get in the surf trying to get to this thing. And they had beer, and our bubbles were on. On a can of beer. And I was like, this is the greatest feeling ever. It is one of my greatest accomplishments. My. My point surprise that I was able to pass that.
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Rad (Host)
You know, I'm very proud of you for doing such a hard course and going through that and getting that bubble. And you probably went and got the hat and walked back to that dude, said, what's up, bro?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. That is a sheriff. Now we talk about it. I'm like, you have no idea that the fire you would under me when you said that. And I went and passed it, you know, and I crushed it. It's funny because, you know, you have. You have three chances at this test, and it's the test that gets everybody there. And the first one, I blacked out. Completely blacked out. Woke up. Woke up under the ambulance with oxygen on there. Like, yeah, you went out, man. Because, I mean, most people do go out at some point underwater. And that's the scary part. Like, hey, they have to come and revive you. So I went out and I remember feeling so free after that, being like, okay, well, this isn't that bad. Like, I've already blacked out. Now I know what it's like. And. And if it works out, great. And if it doesn't, I'll go back home and watch my sons play T ball. And it worked out, you know, And I was like, ah,
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Rad (Host)
I love that, dude. That makes me feel so good. I love that you chase your dreams and crush them. Right? Like, and I love that your girlfriend, now wife, if it is still now, is the one that helped really light your spark. Like, you said, the sheriff lit a fire to you. Well, she lit the bonfire under you, bro. You're like, I gotta impress this chick. She wants a Green Beret.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah. I mean, I met her in Italy. She was studying. She went to Berkeley, and she was studying abroad and lived in Rome. And I met her in Florence, right by the statue of David. You know, the famous statue? We met.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
And I was probably drinking with the buddies, and we met. And, you know, years later, when we were dating, you know, she saw me, a Green Beret, walked into the PX one time in Italy, and we don't know what he's doing there because there's no Green Beret station in that area. I think he came down from 10th street, which is in Stuttgart, Germany, and you could hear a pin drop. Everybody was like, whoa. And my now wife was like, why is his hat different? I was like, right, Whoa. And. And we were just, like, looking at him like, he's at Sbaro getting, like, a piece of pizza. And we were like, look how cool he is. And then I explained it to her that night. I was like, it's something I wanted to do. I tried it. I failed. And she was real hard on me. She was like, then go back. Like, are you gonna take no for an answer, you know, just once and then leave it at that? I was like, all right. So I went back and just absolutely crushed it. Now, I had already gone to Restrepo, so I had a lot of combat under my belt. I've been walking mountains, so the walks with the rucksack wasn't that hard. But years later, you know, she applied. I asked her if she wanted to do something more with her life after she got her undergrad, and she's like, well, I took the law school exam and. And I was gonna go to law school. I was like, why didn't you shed in the score? As good as I wanted to. And I. I flipped it back and
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Rad (Host)
I was like, oh, yeah.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Oh, well, what's up? Like, let's do this again. Let's crush it. She ended up taking it again and getting in the top 1% of the country. And my wife attended and graduated Harvard Law School, so.
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Rad (Host)
And I was like, congratulations to her. Okay. Women in stem, bro. Women in stem. That's what we say at my house, okay? My daughters, my. My wife, powerful. They snowboard. They're hardcore. My daughter wants to be the president. You know, she speaks multiple languages, Chinese, you know, so it's like, women in stem, dude, way to power that. Yeah.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
You know, and the funny thing is, is like, she had been. Grew up in San Francisco area. Her mom was a. She's a first generation American. Her mom is German. Came here on her own, did everything. And you know, when she got the letter for Harvard, was the first one she got. She was like, oh, I got accepted to Harvard. And I was probably eating something. I was like, I'm sorry, what? And I didn't know Harvard. Yeah, where she all applied. I was like, harvard? I was like, the Harvard? And she was like, yeah, I don't know if I want to go there. I was like, I'm stopping right there. I'm from a small town in Wisconsin. Harvard doesn't really exist to us. It's kind of like Hogwarts. It's just.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah, exactly.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Sure. It's real. If you get into Harvard, you go to Harvard. Like, she's like, well, I'll be away from you for the. You go to Harvard. Like, that's. You cannot pass that up. Come on.
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Rad (Host)
Right? It's a deployment, you know, she handled you going away for a minute. You were probably like, you can't handle me being gone. She's like, yeah, go on. You're like, but wait, but wait. Don't you need me next to you with a pillow and stuff? She's like, go on, go on. Now, now with. Let me ask you something about your deployment. Something that I lived with with my dad was. We. I only moved twice. I moved from California as a young man to Utah for his station here, and then he went off and did all of the stuff as an SF guy, right. So I got to grow my roots here. I didn't get really pulled out and go to different military school or military bases for school. Was that the same way with you? Where you. Pretty much. This is home. Everybody gets to stay home. And then you went and did everything.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, yeah. Sf. SF guys don't move a whole lot. And the reason for that is because we have to have continuity within. Within the group. You know, like your father, he covered what's called Indo, Paycom, India Pacific Command. We covered south and Central Command down in South America and Central America, centam. And each. Each Green Beret is part of a group that covers an area. So, like, you speak that language or a multitude of languages in order to cover that area more adequately. The regular Army PCs's people, every three to four years because they want a transition of skills to sort of say, right, so this guy was here. He knows how this works. Let's put him over here and first ID so he can bring that knowledge from here to here, you know, and that's how they do it. They don't do that with us. So 7 group used to be command station at Fort Bragg. I graduated and stayed at Fort Bragg from the Q course. And then seven Group, writ large as a unit, moved to Eglin because Transcom was moving to Brag, and they were just like 2 too crowded. So when 7 group moved to Bragg, I moved with them in early 2011, and I. I was in Florida from that point until I. I bought my retirement home in. In Wisconsin, where I'm from.
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Rad (Host)
Nice. Let me guess. Two Rivers. You. You moved into Two Rivers right off the shore of Lake Michigan there, huh? And you go to.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I'm close to it. I'm close to it.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You go to Sheboygan or like Phil Roar's Burgers and like, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So my dad's from Two Rivers. He was born in. Yeah, yeah. I think maybe Manitowoc is where he was maybe born. I don't know.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, it's like 25 minutes down the road.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I love I love me some Wisconsin cheese. I love me some, you know. Holy mackerel on the fridge. The magnet my grandpa had, you know, it's like a mackerel with holes all in it.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah.
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Rad (Host)
Say he was a fisherman right there off the, you know, Lake Michigan. He actually worked on reels. Like he was really good with like little screws and reels and making them all work. So crazy how he could live off of fixing reels back in the day. And today you got to have like four jobs to try to make rent, you know, times have changed, you know, Sweet little two Rivers, Manitowoc, Milwaukee, Millewa. Kay, dude. Yeah, I love that. I love that. You're from Wisconsin, bro. Yeah, my dad's was. I love it. I've been there a couple times as a young man and got nothing but love for Wisconsin.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, man. We bought a ton of acreage, kind of like a micro farm and like it's where I wanted to raise my children, you know, and have open spaces. You know, we got foxes, deer, coyotes on the property everywhere. So my kids can just run. We got two ponds and it's really the serenity I've been looking for after 20 plus years in the military.
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Have a great day.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Kind of taking a step back trying to get some chickens this spring. See what I can do with that. You know, stuff like that.
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Rad (Host)
I love it, I love it, I love it. I'm sure whatever you do is going to be the best because you just strive for that and your smile delights the room. Okay, I don't know where you got shot in the head, but it looks good. Okay, so I'm just gonna tell you right now. I'm not sure. I'm like, looking at you, I'm like, where'd it get him at? No. The dimple in the chin. Is that what it is? No, I don't know. I'm looking for dimples. So where did you get struck at when you got here?
- [63:19]
Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Right in the back of the head. So I got hit in the helmet right back here, and it kind of entered the layering of the Kevlar and scooped around and then came out on this side.
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Rad (Host)
Wow. Are you rated out of the military or you're out now, right?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
No. Official retirement date isn't until this summer. I'm on what's called a SOCOM fellowship where I'm allowed to move my family home essentially, and then work a internship, kind of a skill bridge thing. So I've got something here with actually my family's gun range, mission specific, worldwide, and. And I'm just doing things there. I'm learning the business side of it, but I'm also getting to shoot in my family, my spare time and stuff like that. So it's pretty fun. So I got that in order to be able to move the family here,
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Rad (Host)
you know, do you still wear the gear, the uniform? You still go to report in or anything, or you're out?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
No, I'm not out, but I'm on like a 180 day sabbatical, so I don't. I don't really have to. I just check in via phone. I just talked to him yesterday. And then they're like, hey, how's it going? I'm pretty good. Then I get like a. An inventory sheet once a month on how it's going, what I'm learning, what I'm doing day to day. And I'm. I'm free and clear here. And hopefully this lasts right up to my retirement date. It should be around May, June.
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Rad (Host)
Is this a normal opportunity for SF guys to have to do this fellowship style, transition from the military, or is it for.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they have two versions of it. They have Skillbridge, which, if you're doing a conventional retirement, you can do the Skillbridge or they have the fellowship and you have to get the business. You choose has to have a memorandum of understanding via SOCOM on, like, what they'll teach you. They won't pay you. You know, it's a. It's Unpaid internship. You're there to learn something, to help you continue your life after the military. And a ton of big businesses already have them. I had to set one up because this business didn't have an understanding in place. But like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, all those places, they already have them. So guys are all constantly going to those big things, doing a six month internship at Amazon as a general manager or something like that.
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Rad (Host)
Wow.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Trying to learn that stuff. So.
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Rad (Host)
So they caught wind of having that implemented in their organization. So they can bring guys like you into their organization under that, that fellowship or that, that situation. So a business can then opt in to have it and then be accepted under the SOCOM guidelines. Is that what I'm understanding?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
And then they can. Yeah, and then they have that memorandum of understanding. So if anybody else wants to get into that kind of work or learn X, Y or Z, they can just fall in under that, get their signed and be like, yeah, this is an approved company. Like, I want to do it with them. You know, I was offered Amazon and Google and things like that. And I said, that doesn't really appeal to me. There's a bunch of private equity firms that teach you, they kind of put you in general manager positions and teach you that kind of stuff. And I, I wanted to come back home and kind of do something a little more down to earth. And that's, that's how, that's how I started Mindset and different things with, in conjunction with this.
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Rad (Host)
That's very cool and very outside the box thinking too. I see what you did there. Okay. So very cool. Very cool. Yeah. I love you, dude. I think you're great and you just keep doing what you're doing. And I know I've had you on here for like almost an hour and just BSing and thank you for being open to talking to me about some of these things and, you know, smiling about it. And thanks for raising your hand in a 90 degree fashion several times to say you'll take one for the team, dude, seriously. And the blood and the chemlight juice, I can only just like see it in a movie, bro. And I hope there's something out there for you in Hollywood, dude, because I mean, you should be like playing yourself or at least playing a rocker in a band, dude. I could just see it, you know, you just give me this like, yeah, I love it, dude. I love it. And you know, thanks to our buddy Mike Mutual, who sent you my way, dude. I think that you've been a classy person to talk to. I know I just tipped the snowflake on the tip of the iceberg with you. Okay. But, you know, you're always a welcome addition back onto the show. If you ever say, hey, Rad, you know, my operator mindset has blown up, and this is what's going on with it, or this new thing just happened, or I got more things to talk about that I can talk about. You know, I'm never here to have you out anything unless you want to. So if there's anything you ever want to talk about, just reach out to us. I'm sure my audience, you know, even if you're reaching one person right now, and it might be that guy who's in the teams, and he might be listening to, like, what's Rad talking about with this SF guy? They might know who you are. They're gonna say, oh, I didn't know there was a fellowship program.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, for sure.
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Rad (Host)
You know?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, I've enjoyed this, for sure.
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Rad (Host)
Thank you so much. And is there any way that anybody can reach out to you at Operator Mindset if they have anything to offer you? You. Are you looking for any additional, you know, correspondence with vets that are in the same field as you?
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, I mean, I'm@operatedifferent.com teaches you to operate different. I do a men's coaching thing, mostly for civilians, to teach them how to operate in our mindset and frame of minds. And I. I founded that early on when I was coaching my sons in wrestling, and, you know, I. My sons were performing at a high level, and I heard a. I overheard a dad say his son asked him, like, why aren't we doing that? And his son's like, well, you know, their dad's an operator. It's different. And I remember hearing that and be like, it's not that different, though, man. Like, you can be the example, too, right? You can set the example for your sons the same as us. Like, I'm no different than you in that regard. It's a mindset, you know, that allow us to push forward through uncomfortable times, become comfortable being uncomfortable, you know, So I kind of frame that in the. In the sense of making operate different. I will teach men how to operate different. And that's my passion, too. I love doing that. I love, like, giving guys advice, giving father's advice. You feel like they're stuck in a rut, and, you know, their kids. Their kids aren't. Aren't living up their expectations. I always tell them, like, hey, man, if. If you look in the mirror and it's not a man that you would want your sons to turn exactly into. Then you need to make the change, because he's watching you more than he's listening to you, you know?
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Rad (Host)
Yeah, that's true. That's way true. And. And I. And I'm gonna steal that and just use it more of what you just said in my life. I agree with you. You know, we are leading by example. They watch our actions. They see us. You know, you flip that car off, off in the road. They see it and they're like, oh, I'll flip that car off in the road. It's just like, you know? Yeah, I love that. Way to wait a good, good, good snippet right there. Right? If there's one thing you do is just lead by example. I love that, dude.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
I love it. But I'm on Instagram at real Kyle Steiner and. And Facebook.
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Rad (Host)
I think that's real Kyle Steiner.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, there's a couple. Say that loudly. Yeah, because otherwise I would have been pole vaulter from Ohio State and I found out later.
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Rad (Host)
Or I'm a basketball player from Wisconsin with my same name. There's a dude out there with my name. I'm like, what's up? How come I can't have my Instagram account as my name? It's like this dude from your back. I'm like, life goes on. I'm the real rad. You know what I'm saying? Hey, and I love the fact that you coach, you know, I love the fact that you are that soccer coach I was talking about, right? I'm like, you guys are all in one. My dad, same thing. Baseball. Every. All year long, he would train me for baseball. He drilled a hole through the baseball's axis, took a piece of red paracord, and then tied it through it with a knot, and then a knot so he could swing it. A baseball. And he would. And he would wear a gardening glove because every time I'd hit it, it would pull the rope out of his hand. So he'd get it going like 70 miles an hour, because there was no one that could pitch that fast to me. And I didn't have a pitching machine anywhere. So he's like, well, if you're going to hit fast balls, let me just. So he'd swirl it like a helicopter, and then I would just stand there, and then it would just come right in front of my whack in front of the plate. And I just. I'm just saying, I love you guys, dude. And I love your mantra. And to free the oppressed, Alpresta Libre, the whole thing. I love wearing my dad's ring and living under his shadow. And thank you for for being you and being on the show today.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Yeah, brother, it's my pleasure really.
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Rad (Host)
Was it really? And I just want to thank you again and you're always welcome back. And if you want to learn more about Kyle, just google Kyle Steiner army and you'll see his bio in all of the Internet. You can look up Restrepo. You know he's got so much going on and operator mindset and operate operated.com so check him out. Follow real Kyle Steiner on Instagram and just add one more like to his his picks and his comments. And if you want to learn more, just click on the link down below in whatever we've typed out and you can find all that information here@softrep.com and again, big thanks on behalf of all of us at Soft Rep to Kyle for joining the show today. So thank you.
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Kyle Steiner (Guest)
Appreciate it, brother.
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Rad (Host)
Yeah. And this is rad on behalf of Kyle Steiner saying peace.
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