SWWP #12 - Soft Spot, Producing For Kendrick, Staying Independent (feat. JMSN)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Something Wrong With The Podcast – SWWP #12

Title: SWWP #12 - Soft Spot, Producing For Kendrick, Staying Independent (feat. JMSN)
Host: Julian Delgado
Guest: JMSN
Release Date: April 8, 2025

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Introduction

In the twelfth episode of Something Wrong With The Podcast, host Julian Delgado welcomes musician and producer JMSN to discuss his journey in the music industry, including producing for Kendrick Lamar, the creation of his album Soft Spot, and his strategies for maintaining independence in a changing cultural landscape.

Early Career and Influences

JMSN delves into his early experiences in music, highlighting his eclectic influences and the genre-fluid approach that defines his work.

• Genre Fluidity:
  "I want to keep it just drum space and guitar and, you know, make a bluesy type of record." [14:16]

He credits classic artists like Marvin Gaye, Isaac Hayes, and Led Zeppelin for shaping his musical foundation, emphasizing the importance of blending soul with rock elements.

Producing for Kendrick Lamar

A significant portion of the conversation centers around JMSN's collaboration with Kendrick Lamar, exploring how this opportunity arose and the creative process behind their work together.

• Collaboration Initiation:
  "Soundwave hit me up on... Because I didn't have time to like, full out mix this stuff right now..." [18:39]

JMSN explains meeting members of Kendrick's team through Soundwave and how their mutual respect led to working on tracks like "Don't Kill My Vibe" and "Sing About Me."

The Making of Soft Spot

JMSN provides an in-depth look at his album Soft Spot, discussing its conceptual origins, thematic elements, and the challenges he faced during production.

• Album Concept:
  "I was like, I just thought of Soft Spot. I'm like, how has nobody done a song called Soft Spot." [27:00]

He shares anecdotes about balancing comedic elements with serious themes, aiming to infuse humor into his music videos to complement the lyrical depth.

Challenges with the Music Industry and Staying Independent

The discussion shifts to the hurdles JMSN has encountered as an independent artist, including interactions with record labels and the evolving dynamics of the music business.

• Label Frustrations:
  "They wanted the smash. Until we have that, we're not going to release anything..." [40:19]

JMSN criticizes the traditional label approach, advocating for creative freedom and the importance of retaining ownership of his masters. He highlights the shifting focus towards legacy artists over social media-driven acts.

Personal Growth and Artistic Direction

JMSN reflects on his personal journey, the continuous strive for artistic excellence, and his methods for staying inspired amid industry pressures.

• Creative Drive:
  "My goal as an artist is to make the best possible song ever written." [52:08]

He discusses techniques like limiting album lengths to foster creativity and maintaining a relentless pursuit of self-improvement to keep his work fresh and meaningful.

Listener Voicemails and Advice

In the latter part of the episode, Julian and JMSN engage with listener voicemails, offering relationship advice grounded in personal experience and cultural observations.

• Advice Highlight:
  "If you can't love yourself, how are you going to love somebody else?" [67:40]
  "Shut the up. Make a better song." [39:55]

They address scenarios ranging from infatuation and commitment issues to balancing personal growth with relationship dynamics, providing candid and sometimes humorous insights.

Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, JMSN shares upcoming projects, including a new album slated for release in May and upcoming shows in Los Angeles and New York. The conversation underscores the importance of staying true to one's artistic vision and the value of genuine connections within the industry.

• Upcoming Projects:
  "New album is coming up. New single is going to be in May..." [73:18]

JMSN reiterates his commitment to independence and continuous evolution as an artist, leaving listeners with a sense of anticipation for his future endeavors.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• "I want to keep it just drum space and guitar and, you know, make a bluesy type of record." – [14:16]
• "Soundwave hit me up on... Because I didn't have time to like, full out mix this stuff right now..." – [18:39]
• "I was like, I just thought of Soft Spot. I'm like, how has nobody done a song called Soft Spot." – [27:00]
• "They wanted the smash. Until we have that, we're not going to release anything..." – [40:19]
• "My goal as an artist is to make the best possible song ever written." – [52:08]
• "If you can't love yourself, how are you going to love somebody else?" – [67:40]
• "Shut the up. Make a better song." – [39:55]
• "New album is coming up. New single is going to be in May..." – [73:18]

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This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of JMSN's artistic journey, his interactions with industry giants like Kendrick Lamar, and his unwavering commitment to independence. Through candid discussions and engaging anecdotes, listeners gain valuable insights into the complexities of navigating a music career while striving for personal and creative fulfillment.

Transcript

[Jameson]

Nothing wrong with the pussy. Nothing wrong with the pussy. Nothing wrong with the pussy.

[Julian]

Yeah. Wow. Good looking guy. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, better looking than me. I didn't come prepared. Hate when people are chewing gum.

[Jameson]

Yeah. We'll just do a rolling start. What's wrong with gum? Like when they're talking.

[Julian]

Oh yeah. When, like in a mic here. Chewing gum and it's like, yeah, bro. Right?

[Jameson]

Do you listen to podcasts at all?

[Julian]

Yeah. Oh, no, no, yeah, I do. Who, which, which podcast do I like? Oh, Tim Dillon.

[Jameson]

I was listening to his doing today on the way here about.

[Julian]

Oh yeah, every Saturday. Okay.

[Jameson]

Yeah, he was talking about.

[Julian]

He's talk the whole time. I love talking.

[Jameson]

He was talking about the signal group chat.

[Julian]

Was he?

[Jameson]

And he was. Yeah, it's, it's his, his taste.

[Julian]

Yeah, I gotta listen to it. But him, like, I started to listening to him when I was on tour and driving. It was just. There was this one, there's this one that he did about Domino's Pizza that I laughed so hard and everybody and I had headphones in and everybody was looking at me in the car like, what are you laughing at?

[Jameson]

I love to.

[Julian]

Something about Domino's Pizza. I forgot what it was.

[Jameson]

Have you ever seen him do stand up in here?

[Julian]

I feel like I, I, he has, does he have one stand up or.

[Jameson]

I don't know, it's a special out. But I know he pops in and does a lot of, he does like a lot of characters.

[Julian]

Oh, you mean going to a show? No, I have, I haven't. I, I went to a couple things, but I don't know who I saw. Who did I see?

[Jameson]

I was asked what comedians in general are you like, with a fan of?

[Julian]

Yeah, I mean, Dave Chappelle's, you know. Oh, yeah, all time Louis ck.

[Jameson]

I went to his last special.

[Julian]

Oh my God.

[Jameson]

Taping in New York. Sorry. I was crying, laughing the entire time.

[Julian]

So. Good. Yeah, yeah. Bill Burr. Love Bills. Oh, you, you, have you seen Philippe Esparza?

[Jameson]

No.

[Julian]

He's good.

[Jameson]

Is he from that generation?

[Julian]

No, like he's, he's just, I mean, he's, he's a little older, but like he just kind of popped. Got on. Yeah. Or it seems like it. He put out a couple specials like a couple of years ago, so it's not super recent, but. Yeah, he's good too.

[Jameson]

Yeah, that's my, I mean, I'm like a junkie for all things.

[Julian]

Yeah, I love comedy.

[Jameson]

The podcast scene. Well, I, this is a great rolling start. We're here welcome back. Some wrong with the podcast. I don't know what episode number this is yet because I'm gonna figure it out later. I might do another one before this or I don't know. It doesn't matter. We're here with. Honestly, this feels so. I was explaining to Reggie, our engineer who's been amazing this week. I, I. When I started in music, I'm saying like 2018, there was always that like artist that I've always loved and wanted to meet or to work with or just like obviously, best case scenario, get to know. And it's so weird that I'm like saying this to you in person and like we're doing this right now, but you were one of those people and I've been saying since 2014, 13 that you were in my personal top five. If I had to.

[Julian]

Wow.

[Jameson]

If I had to put a number associated with it. And I wanted to show you this because I don't think I've ever shown you this. This is us from 2017 after your whatever makes you happy tour.

[Julian]

You look different.

[Jameson]

I was young. I was, I was teaching on the south side of Chicago at that point in my life.

[Julian]

Oh, this was Chicago.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Wow. That outfit of mine is.

[Jameson]

You had the wild velvet. It was. Wow. I'll put a photo in belt buckle. It was the tucked in velvet short sleeves. And look, look at this. Even before the soft spot, this is the.

[Julian]

What is it?

[Jameson]

When boomerangs, when boomerangs were a thing.

[Julian]

Is that back when mines were popular.

[Jameson]

Yeah, this is. This was posted on May 22, 2017. I said here's my, my caption is the highly underrated Jameson. One of the best live performance of performances I've ever experienced.

[Julian]

Wow.

[Jameson]

This is how corny I was at that time. I read hash drinking with Jameson Love. That is, that's the. I mean, how far we've come.

[Julian]

Shy away from the corn. No, we're all corny. No, I mean I, I sing for a living. That's corny as I guess, like. Yeah. Is that, I mean, I always say this like it's, I mean it's not as corny as rapping. Like you're, you're doing poetry.

[Jameson]

Like you're most likely.

[Julian]

Yeah, exactly. Like, like, man, we're cornballs when it all, when all is said and done, we're the corniest people. Like, we're all in drama club band class.

[Jameson]

Like beside. When I boiled down like the Drake Kendrick thing, I'm like, at the end of the day, it's two grown men writing Poems about each other, which is very funny to me.

[Julian]

Oh, my God.

[Jameson]

What you say? I'll be right back.

[Julian]

And they're sitting there writing it. I'm gonna write you a letter here, and then I'm gonna recite it. I'm gonna recite it. It's gonna be, oh, yeah, hard track. Let's go. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I was. I was in a session yesterday, and we were talking about the same thing of, like, being afraid because the guy was like. He said something about, you know, you don't want it to be too corny. I'm like, listen, we're making a song. Like, this is corny as Just be aware.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, when you try to be cool, that's when you be corny.

[Jameson]

And that's when it looks inauthentic.

[Julian]

Yes. That's corny.

[Jameson]

From my perspective. Like, when I started podcasting, like, three or four years ago, I always was like, the guy that was like, I don't want to do the mic. I want to be on the behind the scene. And then I kind of just got pulled into this. And then obviously, he's doing this on my own. I'm like, I'm having that thing again where I'm like, this is, like, this is this corny. Like, I don't want to be that, man.

[Julian]

It's. It's. Life is corny.

[Jameson]

But how long did it take you? I mean, you've been making music for, what, over 20 years now? So it's like, when did that switch go off? Where it's like, this isn't. It's. It's a. It's who I am. I'm a real artist, and, like, this is my career, and I'm treating this as, like, a real thing.

[Julian]

Yeah. I think, honestly, that around that 2017, when I put out that album was like, when I just embraced the corny. You know? Wait. And, you know, I actually. I. I actually remember the blue album. I. I embraced the corny Pretty. Pretty hard.

[Jameson]

That was long hair, Jameson vhs. Yeah.

[Julian]

I embraced the corny real. I mean, I lost a manager because he didn't like those videos. He was like, what are you doing, dude? It's just you, man. I'm embracing the corny.

[Jameson]

Is this just, like, you in, like, white linens and just, like, in the be.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Jameson]

It's like, I always thought, though I knew you always had, like, a good we mouse. Like, he has a sense of humor because he's, like, leaning into whatever this shtick is. Like, this character like the music, undeniably incredible, but the visuals were like, there was some through line of like this is funny, dude.

[Julian]

Just like I implant comedy in every single video I do now. Like from then on. Like the more serious the video, the more it is to me. Like. And I, I love that. Like it's not funny unless you're dead ass serious.

[Jameson]

Yeah, even like. And I love like I'm assum. You have to be. We haven't talked about film at all. But you, I would assume you're a film buff cuz like the western influence. What's the one I forgetting on the music video? But the, this name of the song with the, with the pool. The scene in the pool. Bar fight.

[Julian]

Slide slide. Based on like Natural Born Killers.

[Jameson]

Yes. It's like, I'm like, this is a, this is a film. Like, this is a.

[Julian]

For sure. Yeah, yeah. No, I, Yeah, I love movies. I love acting. And that's another thing that's so corny, but I love it.

[Jameson]

Have you done any acting?

[Julian]

No. Well, I tried to make a movie, but yeah, I ran out of money.

[Jameson]

Oh. So it doesn't exist. Okay.

[Julian]

I got about 20 minutes in. I, I think I. Maybe more than 20 minutes. But we shot, I mean we got, you know, intro scene and then I think we shot about four or five like scenes.

[Jameson]

Tell me the. What's the. Well, did you write it?

[Julian]

I was writing it on the fly. The idea. The idea. Well, I guess I'm probably not gonna use it anymore. But the idea was I was a gay for pay porn star. Like I was. And it was a comedy, a dark comedy, a dramedy, you know what I mean? Cause he's like, he's like, he's like kind of, he's kind of homophobic, but he's sitting there doing gay for pay porn.

[Jameson]

It's not gay. It's my job.

[Julian]

So that was the, that was the comedy me of like, this is amazing. I can make so much comedy out of this.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

He's so serious about how gay. He's not. Meanwhile he's just crazy, going crazy on the film. He's like, this is my role.

[Jameson]

I'm a method actor. Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

So it was. Yeah, that was the idea. But yeah, I didn't finish it. I ran out of money and I was like, this was before Soft Spot and I was making Soft Spot to be the soundtrack of it.

[Jameson]

Oh, wow, really?

[Julian]

And then I was like, oh, you know what? I. I have to like make this album. I can't like keep making this movie. I Feel like I'll be here. Like, three years will go by and I still haven't finished the album. So I was like, I gotta. I gotta put this on the back burner and, like, actually finish this album, because that's kind of what pays for everything.

[Jameson]

So the history of Soft Spot was supposed to be about this show or this movie?

[Julian]

Well, yeah, the movie was called Love Me, and that was like the.

[Jameson]

Holy shit.

[Julian]

Yeah, I was. It was.

[Jameson]

Wow.

[Julian]

It's where that song. It was a good intro, too, because it's like this monologue and stuff. And then the choir comes in. Yeah, it was amazing. Like.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And then when he comes in, I'm like, driving to my work, like it's all serious and.

[Jameson]

And then you find out what he's doing.

[Julian]

Yes, exactly. Exactly, exactly.

[Jameson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what that reminds me of? And speaking of, like, a similar dark dramedy, you watch Barry Bear.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Jameson]

Bill Heater. That's kind of what I'm picturing. It's like. Yeah, doesn't. He's not great at the job, but he has to do this. It's like, that's this whole, like.

[Julian]

Oh, that's a good show.

[Jameson]

That's a great. It's so well written. Yeah. Is it done?

[Julian]

And the characters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was done for sure. The characters they picked for that were so good.

[Jameson]

That one episode that went. That caught super big was the one with the little girl that was based on a real thing. Remember that?

[Julian]

Like, what happened?

[Jameson]

It was like a crazy. An episode with, like, this little girl was escaping and he was chasing her, and she was like, an insanely talented, like, fighter. The Parkour chick.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Jameson]

I guess that was inspired by, like, a real thing that happened. And he was like, I have to make this an episode.

[Julian]

When anybody busts out in Parkour, it's.

[Jameson]

Oh, it's like every.

[Julian]

I'm comedic gold.

[Jameson]

I'm currently re. Watching all the Daniel Craig Bond films.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah.

[Jameson]

Every opening scene is a Parkour scene. Does he car chase or Parkour?

[Julian]

I need to go. I need to brush up on my 007. I haven't. I haven't watched that since Pierce Brosnan.

[Jameson]

Wow. Really? Wow.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Now.

[Julian]

Been a while.

[Jameson]

Tap back. I mean, Craig is great. Craig again.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Played goldeneye, too, on the.

[Julian]

Yeah, exactly. Oh, that was. Yeah, those are. Those were the. No.

[Jameson]

Odd job.

[Julian]

Nintendo 64.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Beautiful time. Well, so. All right. So I wanted to. Let's go. Because you briefly mentioned Soft Spot, but I want to go a little further back because I Showed you that. The photo of me at your show. That whatever makes you happy tour. I knew your music before then, but what I always loved is. And I'm wondering, like, where this influence comes from, because you're not a genre artist. You're very genre. The, like, journalist to me is like, genre bending. Genre fluid. Yeah, genre fluid. Genre bending. It's like whatever the fuck. Any adjective.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

None of your albums sound the same.

[Julian]

Genre fluid and fluid.

[Jameson]

Yeah. None of your projects sound the same. And when I. When I. When whatever makes you happy came about, I was like. Because that's my. I'm like. I grew up on my dad's, like, the Marvin Gaye, the Isaac Hayes, like, the Al Green. That was like the. My childhood music in the house. And then my mom was like the Led Zeppelin. So I had, like, the appreciation for the soul. But also I love a guitar solo.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

So then that your stuff came out of the perfect time. I'm living in Chicago. I'm broke. As I'm teaching. I'm, like, kind of falling in love with this girl at the time. And that album comes out, and that was like, the soundtrack to that time, that relationship with this girl. And I even read in like, an older interview this, like, my mind is ridiculous that you said you wanted to keep it. It's eight records. Because you said there was some influence there with, like, the Motown Marvin game.

[Julian]

For sure. Yeah. So, like, I feel like what's going on was. Was eight.

[Jameson]

Yeah, it was.

[Julian]

Yeah. And, like, I just started going through those. And it's funny you said Al Green, too, because the album cover, I kind of, like, took a page out of that. Where he's sitting on the chair.

[Jameson]

Yes. The classic.

[Julian]

Yeah. I was like. I was like, I want to do a cover like that.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Sitting there. It's. I mean, classic. So, yeah, I was getting influenced by those things in one way or another. And, yeah, the. The Marvin Gaye thing. I mean, that. That still sticks with me. I try to make it, you know, all fit. Essentially all fit on one record, you know, is. And it's like. I think it's like 22 minutes aside. So as long as it's under 44 minutes or so, it might be longer, but, yeah, just because that's how they used to do it back then. It's like, if it can't fit on a record, you know, they weren't making double albums back then.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

It was like, this is how long a record is.

[Jameson]

And so work within this.

[Julian]

Yeah. Within those defines. I mean, and it makes you more creative when you put limits on stuff, you know, and you only pick the best of the best.

[Jameson]

Yeah, it trims. It trims all fat. And that's one of those. I mean, it's like no skips. It's eight songs. But it's like it is to me. Those are the perfect albums where it's just you. A perfect album to me. Leaves you wanting like another eight records. Like I. But this is it. And I'll just continue to loop it. That's like heavy in my.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Rotation still. And I've always taken back to. But like, even on that song, even on that album itself, like, Slide is like a western record. Like, drinking is more like a bluesy. Like, it's like there's so much range on that in itself. So patiently. Is that on patiently. That's like a love ballad. Like, there's so many.

[Julian]

My favorite songs of Beautiful.

[Jameson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. So when you're not just for that album, but I guess all your projects, what are your. Your pulling influences from? Like, what. What creates these new chapters?

[Julian]

I don't know. It's a maybe combination of. Of several things. I mean, where. What I'm feeling just in life in general, you know, and then what. I kind of like plan where I want to go next loosely before I start, I'm like, you know what, I want to make like this kind of record and. And what. What I was trying to make with that record was, you know, I want to kind of dip into blues a little bit. Yeah, of course there's different stuff within that and it expands and shit. But that was the idea was like, I want to keep it just drum space and guitar and, you know, make a bluesy type of record. And then, you know, that. That expands. And then like a album like Velvet, I was just like, I want to just.

[Jameson]

Which is so different.

[Julian]

Yeah, so different.

[Jameson]

So I heard the first. What was the single for Velvet? Talk is Cheap.

[Julian]

So Badly or so Badly was the first talk.

[Jameson]

Yeah. And I was like, oh, this is as expected to me. Someone I was listening to your music. I was like, yeah, this is a whole different.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that. That one was like. I just wanted to. I just got. Wanted to get a bunch of synths and try out drum machines and like, just go crazy in that world. And I didn't. That was the only kind of direction I had, you know, I didn't know. That's kind of why it's an eclectic mix of songs because I didn't really have like a genre, you know, Direction. But it was just like, I want to get a bunch of like, old synths and drum machines and like that people emulate today. I want to get the actual ones and, like, you know, play with them and stuff like that.

[Jameson]

How do you go about collecting those? Is this like a Craigslist?

[Julian]

I didn't buy them. Sometimes some of them I rent, rented. But I did buy a couple that I still have. But. Yeah. And then I bought this one expensive keyboard that I just sold after I was done with it, because I was like, this is way too expensive to be in my studio. But I'm glad I, I, you know, I was. It was able to be. Make it on some songs and, you know, I couldn't have got that sound with any other, you know, keyboard. It was, it was perfect.

[Jameson]

Do you. Because you do. I know you. For people that don't know, you produce a lot of your music and stuff. All of it. Yeah. And you're obviously. Your guitar, like, that's like the whole. Yeah, yeah. But what is there, I know, like, on this. Performance wise, you're on the guitar a lot on stage, but is there an instrument or like a part of production that you enjoy the most? Last night, I remember you said. Last night. Last night I remember you said, you're like, you don't want me to produce because it's like I'm. Yeah, it's my way.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

And I'll be very bullish on how I operate.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's a good word for it.

[Jameson]

Bullish.

[Julian]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Yeah. In terms of working with other artists, it's. It's true. Yeah. Because I mean, it's. It's their song. So I, you know, when I produce my shit, I'm like, I know what I want it to sound like. I'm going to like, sit there until I get it. And if I'm like, if I have somebody over my shoulder, like, saying, no, it's got to be like, I'm not done yet. I'm not, I'm not there yet. Oh, my God, the amount of sessions. Oh, my. That's my. One of my pet peeves in the studio is somebody over my shoulder when I'm doing something and they're like, oh, what if you just back the up? Let me do this. Like, I'm like, let's not do this. Let's not do this.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Jameson]

I'm thinking, has that happened? I was gonna say, without naming names.

[Julian]

I don't even remember his name.

[Jameson]

Is this someone you don't, like, when that happens. You're like, I'm never working with that person again. Like, that's kind of how you operate.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. I don't even remember his name. Yeah.

[Jameson]

So working. Working with other artists I wanted to. To bring up. You did a lot of. This is what I think is fascinating about your career, which will, again, I keep, like, belating, like, the soft spot thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll get there.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

No, no, but I'm not forward to this. Like, the producing for a lot on Kendrick's. Yeah, yeah, Good kid. Mad City.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

So it's like production, producing stuff like that. Like, how did a. How did that intro happen? And be like, how was that process? Was it just like you sending strings or.

[Julian]

Yeah, so. So what happened, Soundwave? This is like when Instagram, I feel like, was first started in 2012.

[Jameson]

Or was it Instagram, I think was. Oh, eight. But it became like a thing. And like.

[Julian]

Yeah, but Soundwave hit me up on. They had DMS back then, right? Yeah, he must have hit me up on that. Yeah. Because they didn't have him right away, right?

[Jameson]

No, it was definitely a. Yeah, later. But, I mean, good kid. They were probably recording that, what, 2011? 2012.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, yeah, he hit me up. Or 2012. They were recording it because I had already put out my album by then, which was in 2012, and then his came out later. 2012.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Okay. Yeah. And so he hit me up and he's like, come to Carson. And, you know. You know, I don't even know. Just say, what's up? And so I. I went there and Absol. Was there. Ali was there. And I feel Dave. Dave might have been there or I might have met him later. But. Yeah, so I just met all them, and I guess it was just an, you know, an intro. And then later, Soundwave just came to my spot and he brought Don't Kill My Vibe. And we. I just put vocals on it from. At my spot. And then. And then he's like, hey, come to the. What is it? The Interscope studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Monica.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So. So I went over there, and then I brought my violinist, who at the time was doing strings for me because they wanted strings on that song too. So I did some strings for that song. And then they played the Sing About Me. That one.

[Jameson]

Yep.

[Julian]

And we. We did strings for that one. And then real. I think we had strings too. Yeah. And there was a. There was another one.

[Jameson]

Wasn't like the art of your pressure.

[Julian]

Art of peer pressures. I'm with the homies, didn't I?

[Jameson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

Okay. Yeah, that one. I don't think they did strings for that one. I just did vocals for that one. And then. Yeah. I mean, I just. I forgot the question.

[Jameson]

Well, but, like, was that.

[Julian]

No.

[Jameson]

In terms of, like, collaborating with. In terms of collaborating with rappers, was that your first time working with, like, in the rap.

[Julian]

No, no, I would. I was always. I mean, maybe a cr. I mean, I did a song with Boldy James before that. That was, you know. But I was. I was always like, you know, as a. Just a musician. Like, just as a beat maker.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

When I was growing up, I was just trying to get people from school to come rap on my beats, you know, like, just making beats and, like. Like, let's all get a verse and let's all rap on this, you know?

[Jameson]

I mean, in Detroit, by the way. So what. What was that like? Did you have. What were you making beats on at that point? Like, I was cool.

[Julian]

I think I was on Reason.

[Jameson]

Wow.

[Julian]

Yeah. Before that, I was on, like, acid loops. It was even crazier. Yeah. But then, yeah, I was making beats on Reason and just, like, you know, trying to do my best imitation of Pharrell, you know, I was gonna ask.

[Jameson]

You, who is your Pharrella?

[Julian]

Timberland was like. You know, I remember because I had my cousin, he was a producer, too, and he was always trying to make the Timberland beats, and I was always trying to make the Pharrell ones. Yeah.

[Jameson]

So.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Era.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Wow.

[Julian]

Yeah. But. And then for my stuff, I was just trying to. I was just making, like, weird stuff, like, because I was into, like, Radiohead and, you know, Fiona Apple, Bjork, you.

[Jameson]

Know, all that in Rainbows is one of my favorite.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. It's one of the best.

[Jameson]

It is. I mean, by far. Yeah. Okay. Like. Yeah. I mean, in Rainbows in particular.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Was it Weird Fishes? I was just listening to that, like, the other.

[Julian]

I mean. Yeah. That's not a bad time to listen to that. It's. Yeah. Crazy how good that.

[Jameson]

Yeah. So. With the TDE relationship. Because I know, selfishly, I have to ask you. I know you about this mythical album with you and Absol. Yeah. That never came out or will never see the light of day.

[Julian]

It might.

[Jameson]

How did that come about? I finally met. Absolutely. A few months ago. He was in New York. Great guy. Awesome. But, yeah, all that aside, how. Like, what. How was that and how many songs it. What's the sound like? What was the Whole.

[Julian]

That was after the Kendrick stuff. Well, because I met Absol first and then he was like, we got to do stuff. And then I did that Kendrick stuff and then we. He came to my studio and we. We made one song and it was for the. They were doing like this thing of like. Oh, sorry, am I not okay? They were doing this thing of like, they would release. It was kind of like a Good Fridays.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

So like schoolboy release. Kendrick released one and Absol. So I did ab Souls for that. And they, you know, everybody liked it. So, you know, he was like, let's do a whole project. And so we just started making songs and started hanging out and at the studio and, you know, getting. Getting stuff on record. And I was just. We were talking recently because he was like, send me those tracks. I want to, like, just.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Just to listen to him again. And I was. And so I had to like, pull him back up and listen to him. I was like, damn, what the hell were we on? It's crazy.

[Jameson]

This is like 2013.

[Julian]

It must have been. It must have been 2013. Yeah. That's crazy.

[Jameson]

Do you ever think that they'll ever see that?

[Julian]

We were thinking about it. We were thinking about it like, recently actually. And I sent him stems to. To see if he could. If his guy could mix them because I. I didn't. I don't have time to like, full out mix this stuff right now because, like, when I'm not a mixer. So when I mix stuff, it takes me forever.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, that's the longest aspect and longest, hardest aspect of making an album for.

[Jameson]

Me is the mix is mixing.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Is that because of how. That. How tedious the work is itself or because of how like a. Much of a perfectionist you are with the probably process.

[Julian]

And also I don't know what I'm doing, so that doesn't help. You know, I'm like, trying to figure it out as I go.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And you know, it's. There's a thing or two of like, you can only do it for so long a day. You can't, like, you can't power through it because your ears get fatigued.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And you don't even know what to. What you're hearing anymore. So it's also that. So you have to be patient with it and, you know, take breaks and come back so you have fresh ears to even hear, you know, the changes you made. Do you just process?

[Jameson]

Do you find that with making songs too? Like, do you need to, like. I. I've been like, Writing them. You mean writing or recording? Or do you feel like you need to. Damn, I've been doing this. Like, we were texting yesterday. You, like a full day in the studio. Did you, like, take a break? Like, how does that process look for you when you're really making an album?

[Julian]

When I'm. When I'm making the songs, that's the most exciting part for me. So, like, writing the songs is my favorite. Well, favorite besides listening to what I just recorded. That's. That's the. That's my favorite. It's like, holy. This is like a song.

[Jameson]

It works.

[Julian]

It works. Exactly. It's like you put something together from ikea. You're like, holy.

[Jameson]

What's your. Is it pen to paper? A notepad? Like, what's your. Typing it?

[Julian]

Or how do you actually typing it? Is most of the time. And. Or I'll voice notes. A voice note it. Or I'll just sing. Sing it. Like, you know, like, think of the line in my head and sing that line. Or. And then be like, okay, what's the next line? That. But most. Most of the time I try to, like, you know, write it at least like to a point and then sing it and then be like, okay, where can I go from here? Write it then saying it.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Do you usually build? Because when I. I'm not writing music, but when I write, when I used to do, like writing articles and stuff, I would have a line and then I would build out from that. For you, is it like, here's the hook, or I know I have this line which would be great to end a verse and then I'll build around that. Or do you like, top down it?

[Julian]

It's probably different every time.

[Jameson]

Yeah, that.

[Julian]

That. That's definitely one way to do it. But yeah, it depends. It depends if you know, man, that's. That's hard. It's. It's different every time. Yeah, but there is a point where you're like, you know, I. What. What do I want to call this song? You know what I mean? And that's kind of like your title.

[Jameson]

Identify.

[Julian]

Yeah. What's the theme? Like, it's like if you have a movie, what's the title of the movie? What is this about? Yeah, you know, so. So that's. That comes sometimes later. Or it comes. It's the first thing where I'm like, oh, I want to make a song called this called Soft Spot. That was how Soft Spot happened. I was like. I was like, I just thought of Soft Spot. I'm like, how has Nobody done a song called Soft Spot. It's such a good word or two words, like saying like a soft spot. And I was like, you know, I'm gonna call the album Soft Spot. And then later I was like, I don't have a song called so I guess I should just make a song Soft Spot. And that was the last song I made for it, which I'm. I'm glad I did now.

[Jameson]

Really? That was the last song?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was like, I gotta make a Soft Spot song. Not just the title.

[Jameson]

So. Yeah, the title track you need to do. Yeah, yeah. So let's. I mean, let's go to. In one Soft spot when the album was 23.

[Julian]

23, yeah, yeah.

[Jameson]

Right. So. And then the tick tock thing happens. How long? About a year or after year?

[Julian]

Yeah, almost. Yeah, almost exactly a year.

[Jameson]

Yeah. And I'm assuming at that point you were probably a few tracks or paces into the next project.

[Julian]

Oh, I was almost done. I was in mech mixing. Yeah.

[Jameson]

Are you still with that same or that were Softpot happened and you're like, I got to redo or like, where did that change your process? No, not at all.

[Julian]

No, no, no. I was just like. I was just like, wow, this is like perfect timing because I have an.

[Jameson]

Album because I'm fucking ready.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yeah. And I love too that the album is so different than Soft Spot or anything on that album, which excites me even more that this is the thing that's getting attention because it's. It's going to flip so hard that I'm like, oh, that's. That excites me.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So much.

[Jameson]

It's.

[Julian]

Honestly, people are expecting what everyone, what not everyone, but most people would do is see success in something and try.

[Jameson]

To make 10 versions of that song.

[Julian]

Exactly. And I'm just. I'm so glad that I'm not doing that because it's going to be like, what the. Yeah, wait, this is the guy who just did that Soft Spot remix with Sada Baby.

[Jameson]

Like what you mentioned last night when we were out there, how the Sada Baby moment, because I asked you, I was like, do you have an artist or a person that you've always wanted to work with? And you were like, yeah, well, even with the Sada Baby thing was so natural. Do you want to.

[Julian]

Yeah, just. It's just basic based on the song. You know, I could. There's a handful of people that I've tried to get on songs and it's based on just like what the song calls for, you know, not. Not because, like, it's a name or something like that. Like, I. So I had. You. You remember so badly. I have the. The. The part where I talk.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And the beat.

[Jameson]

So originally I just so, like, 70s. Yeah.

[Julian]

Originally I sent that Barry White, Snoop Dogg. And I was trying to get him to do it, but he wanted. He wanted money. And I was like, like, oh, I don't have money.

[Jameson]

But, like. But like, he's like, you see the vision, right?

[Julian]

Like, this could be so good for the vibe. Yeah. Because, like. Because if he was, like, talking, I was like, oh, my God. I mean, it's fine. It worked out.

[Jameson]

The thing is, baby.

[Julian]

Yeah. I was like that. I would. I was like, that would be so random and unexpected. And he's not like, rapping. He's just, like, talking, you know? I mean, so it's like that kind of stuff. And there was a song on Whatever Makes yous Happy where I wanted to get. Oh, was it Sugie Otis to play to Loving Enough, the lead at the end. I wanted him to get him to play and say, like, featured sugios. So it's like random stuff like that. I was like, this would be so crazy if just Sugiotis got on there, just played a guitar. But he wanted money, too. And I was like, damn, I don't have money. I don't have money yet. I'm like, but. But I get it. I get it. You know what I mean? Maybe now it's a little. It is a little easier. So, you know, if I can think of it now, maybe it'll. Maybe it'll act.

[Jameson]

But you said the Sada. The Sada baby moment happened because didn't he post it on his story or something?

[Julian]

And this was like a couple days before we were talking about, like, who would be good on this. And I was like, dude, Sada baby would kill this. And. And then a couple days go by and he posted it on his story and randomly. Yeah. And I literally said to him, dude, this is so crazy, because I was just talking about how you should be on this remix.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I was like, please get on this.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

And so he was like, hell, yeah. And we. And. And yeah, we did it. And I'm. I'm so glad that he did the two verses too, because then it inspired me to do the. The intro to, like, redo the intro. So, yeah, it's like a whole new song. Yeah.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Which is. Which is what I remember when we were younger, like, remixes used to just be a new.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah. No, Maybe a different beat slightly. Remember the king of R B?

[Jameson]

Yeah. Your biggest, your biggest influence. You said off mic. He's still. We're listening to him on the way here, actually.

[Julian]

I believe I can fly. Oh, my God. You know, after all that happened, somebody told me they were in. They were in yoga and they were playing. I believe I can find.

[Jameson]

Oh my God. Talk about trying to stay in like a Zen state. Is that arc?

[Julian]

It's such a good song though.

[Jameson]

I could see you. I don't want to harp on R. Kelly too about. I could see you like for the bit doing a Trapped in the Closet. Like an eight part series. Just like that would be amazing. We were talking about Crackhead Jameson last night.

[Julian]

Yeah, I mean. Oh, crack. Okay. Crackhead Jameson. Damn. I don't know what. I want it to happen first and then we can talk about. I don't want to give it away. I don't want to give away Crackhead James. Oh my God. We're. Yeah, we're getting, we're getting too deep here.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

R. Kelly and Crackhead Jameson.

[Jameson]

Jesus, where do we go from here? So if you had to describe, if you were to describe without like giving away too much sauce, like, what's the, the sound of the next iteration of Jameson?

[Julian]

I don't, I mean, it's. Different is the most poignant word it. Poignant. I don't even know if that's applies in this as an adjective to describe it. But yeah, different. And I guess like I had a little bit of angst.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And. And I think that that is what it gives a little bit is some angst about just a lot of things going on personally or personally. Music wise. Just like the music landscape. I was, you know, I, I felt for me, you know, not to take away from anything going on, but it, it just feels a little stale to me musically. So I was like, you know, there was angst about that because, you know, it's kind of like I want to shake it up. Like, can we do something different? Can we. Can we do anything else? So that. Yeah, so that was the, that was the goal is like, you know, if you want to see change, then change yourself, you know, you know, did you be. What does it be? The change?

[Jameson]

Yeah. Yeah. You're the Gandhi of music.

[Julian]

Yeah. So I. Yeah, so I. So I just went that route. Just be the change.

[Jameson]

You want to see the world, you.

[Julian]

Know, don't expect it to change. Just try to, you know, try to be part of the change. Like. Yeah. Be part of the culture. Shift.

[Jameson]

And it couldn't have come, I think at a better time for you. I mean, obviously every artist wants like that moment to happen. Like the day they pick up a guitar.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

But we were talking about this again last night. You are in this like very unique position of having like decades of albums, a decade of albums that people can now back like caught backlog and listen to. And obviously bout it has now had like its own moment independent of soft spot. Which is awesome because that album came out what, 2012?

[Julian]

Yeah, 2014.

[Jameson]

2014.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

It's like, yeah, these are so.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Which is you so different than most kid people that are have a song that goes viral. Then it's like I have no catalog. I have to play catch up. Here's like a six song ep. Four of these songs are the same song that I put out, which is different versions of it. And then here's two new songs that I've just shelved for the last two years.

[Julian]

True.

[Jameson]

Which is like.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was. Yeah, I was saying that it's such a unique position to be in. And you know that's. That's about timing. And like anybody who knows me knows that like literally I say this to anybody who, who ever walks into my studio. I'm like, it's out forever. You don't know when it's gonna hit tomorrow. It could hit 30 days from now. Get a year, 10 years. It could hit after you. I mean, it could hit after you're dead. You know, I just hope it happens while I'm alive, you know, because that'd be nice.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know, but it's. It's out forever. Like it's not like. Like there's no. Which is trippy to think about that it's just out there and gonna stay out there forever. But that's a whole other thing. But I always say that like you can't.

[Jameson]

You can't go into that.

[Julian]

No, I mean, I mean just. Just thinking about that it's out forever.

[Jameson]

Just like the fact that you'll be existing.

[Julian]

Oh my God, none of that.

[Jameson]

To what extent?

[Julian]

Just like that people are gonna find it 100 years from now and be like, what the is this guy doing? You know what I mean? Like. Like he's a creeper in the video or some like he's got this long hair.

[Jameson]

Mountains.

[Julian]

And when they're on in the AI Teslas and they're like, why is he in the mountains? Like mountains. What are. What are those?

[Jameson]

We're talking about feel like a woman that Video. When you're just like.

[Julian]

Exactly.

[Jameson]

Covered in, like, someone's gonna find that.

[Julian]

In 100 years and be like, what the. Oh, my God. And it's gonna be a whole. Another social media platform that's implanted into their wrist or something.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know, and they're just watching it in their glasses. I don't know. Their contacts.

[Jameson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're.

[Julian]

Yeah. But yeah, no, we're going off on a tangent.

[Jameson]

We're kind of. The world's kind of over.

[Julian]

Yeah. It is weird. Doesn't it feel like that sometimes?

[Jameson]

Sometimes feels like more often than not.

[Julian]

Idiocracy a little bit. Right.

[Jameson]

I'm so mad. My friend is. He's like, similarly, like, comedy guy. Loves it. And he's like, I recently watched Idiocracy. He was like, you need to see it because it's.

[Julian]

Oh, you haven't seen it?

[Jameson]

No, I've seen it, but it was like, years ago. And he was like, just re. Watch it. Because it could not be more.

[Julian]

It's crazy now. It's really crazy. Yeah, it really is crazy. It's trippy.

[Jameson]

Gotta revisit that.

[Julian]

Yeah, I don't think. I mean, I don't think we'll get to that. To that point, but, you know, it's funny that.

[Jameson]

I mean, they're kind of dropping seeds with, like, Trump's gonna run again. Like, he's, you know, prime for 2028.

[Julian]

Yeah. Well, politics aside, it's just like, culture is what I think is. Is. Is. Is what it is. Not. Not even politics. It's funny that politics has infiltrated culture so much. Now know that's another whole nother thing, like, how much people talk about politics. It's like, who the cares. Is that affecting your life? Like, really? Is it really. Is it really affecting your day to day?

[Jameson]

Not day to day.

[Julian]

Only if you sit there and talk about it. Like, what the.

[Jameson]

Yeah, I. I think it's just, like, easy for people to point fingers at their shortcomings. And it's like, I'm not succeeding because this guy in Washington made this decision. He's holding me back. I didn't go. I didn't get my masters because he.

[Julian]

Oh, we were talking about this. The whole victim thing that's going on too. Oh, God.

[Jameson]

Well, you got to be a victim.

[Julian]

The artist victim thing. What's your artist victim trend on. On social media is nuts.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

The independent artists. Oh, the algorithm's everybody and. Oh, my God, I can't even.

[Jameson]

You're independent. Yeah. What's your victim Arc. How can you.

[Julian]

There is no victim.

[Jameson]

No. What are you gonna do? What's your.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. Ah. I can't even. I can't even with this. How to. Or the. How to blow up on, you know, social media. Oh, my God. I wish I could. I wish I could go on a rant about these. I shouldn't do it. Nah, you can. I'm good. I'll get. I'll get worked up. The. I just can't stand this victim mentality. Like, shut the up. Shut the up. Like, just go make a song. Shut the up. Make a. Make a better song. Jesus. See, this is why I don't.

[Jameson]

That's because you're not wrong.

[Julian]

Yeah. Like, oh, the algorithm's with me. Like, shut the up. Shut the up.

[Jameson]

But you've been making music for so long. I'm sure there's been times in your career where you're like, this is the thing that's been keeping me from becoming this.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Yeah. What were those things? Is it, like, because you were signed and then when it. Was it a matter of, like, the labels holding me back or, like.

[Julian]

Yeah, well, they were holding me back just because they didn't let me release music.

[Jameson]

Why. Why do labels do that? What is that about?

[Julian]

I don't know. And that was a different time back.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Too.

[Jameson]

I never understood that.

[Julian]

Yeah. They were just. They wanted the smash. That was like. Their mentality was like, we want the smash. We want you to work with, you know, Dr. Luke or Max Martin or whoever can give us the smash. You know what I mean? Until we have that, we're not going to release anything and you're in purgatory and you're stuck there.

[Jameson]

What song that you put out independently that led to the labels looking at you, or was it an album or.

[Julian]

Well, I mean, it's been happening throughout my independent career, but it's, you know, I. It's moments in every.

[Jameson]

Because, like, I feel like Cruel Intentions was, like.

[Julian]

Was a big one.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

What was another big one? I mean, drinking was a big one. The Velvet album had a. Had a couple and. Yeah. I mean.

[Jameson]

But now more than ever, I'm sure.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yeah. Soft spot was like, more than. More than I had ever done. More meetings than I had ever done. By the end, I was just like, you guys go. I can't even. I can't even go to these. Like, they all say the same thing.

[Jameson]

What's the. What's the pitch in 2025?

[Julian]

I don't even know what the pitch is.

[Jameson]

We see You. We see you as a. I know this spiel. I'm not even. I worked at Atlantic. But everything I'm about to say is not just Atlantic. This is arc of the scene of the. Everything is. We don't sign TikTok artists. We sign legacy artists. We want to see you grow and build and put out, you know, become the next fill in the blank with like a legendary.

[Julian]

Wow, that sounds like old school.

[Jameson]

It's like, well, that's the thing. That's what they're trying. They're trying to do. They're trying to promote that we don't want the single. Even though they're literally signing you for the single and they're trying to give off this thing. It's like we truthfully want to watch you grow and nurture you. But it's like, no, you just want the publishing on the song. That's triple platinum.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. It's. Yeah, it's very. It's very.

[Jameson]

So where did you leave off with. Are you done with. I understand taking the meetings, but you're like, I'm not.

[Julian]

Yeah, because it's just like they're not. Some of them. That some of the stuff they sent me was insulting. I can't even offer wise or just like, oh, really? Yeah, like. Like some couple of them sent like actual like label deals with master. I'm like, first of all, I told you the first thing I'm not. I mean, you can license the record.

[Jameson]

Ye guy.

[Julian]

I'm not selling my master. I'm gonna put in my will. You cannot sell my masters to nobody. It belongs to my dead cat. Like, Jesus. Then they'll start putting your in Carl's jr's commercials. Prince, man.

[Jameson]

Poor guy. Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

Crazy. They're like, let's go crazy. And it's like a Carl's Jr. Burger. Like, damn, that's crazy.

[Jameson]

They. They could you have some songs that are like, like built for. For like.

[Julian]

Although, I mean, if they're paying me, I might be like, Carl's Jr. Ain't that bad. I'm kidding, kidding, kidding. Yeah, it's poisoning everybody. Kidding. Not poisoning me.

[Jameson]

Rfk. RFK is going to get us in under Check guys. We're all saving.

[Julian]

Yeah, I drove through a Carl's Jr. Because I had to make a U turn and it was like daytime and I was like, damn, who's eating there?

[Jameson]

I've never had it. I've never had it.

[Julian]

There's like spray paint on windows and that they didn't scratch off. And you could just see the Grease on the windows.

[Jameson]

But it's still doing like 5 million a month in revenue. Crazy.

[Julian]

I'm like, damn. Who is he in there?

[Jameson]

In and out. That's another. That's another great marketing. Food.

[Julian]

It's so good. Them in their prison cell work. There's like.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

There's like 20 of them in. In a five by five box.

[Jameson]

Excuse me.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. God. How is that legal?

[Jameson]

I mean, the craziest. To work like the Amazon workers that literally just have like a piss bucket because they can't leave the line. Yeah. Like, they don't get bathroom breaks or like.

[Julian]

I mean, but who the. The guy who's saying. Who's. Who's enforcing that?

[Jameson]

That's the thing. I think it used to be people and now it's just cameras and they can tr.

[Julian]

It's all this seems like propaganda. Yeah, it's not propaganda. Who said this?

[Jameson]

Amazon. They're like, no piss.

[Julian]

Come on.

[Jameson]

Because I think they track your. They track your production by not like if you're physically there, but obviously, like how much work you're doing on the floor. So if you're constantly like leaving the floor. Yeah. They like mark that against you.

[Julian]

Really?

[Jameson]

It's like a whole.

[Julian]

Man. I piss. I piss so much.

[Jameson]

Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. They monitor your productivity.

[Julian]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, so they're choosing to do the piss bucket then? Because they want.

[Jameson]

Because they're like, yeah, if I can just pull my dick out and pee, but it's. My hands are still free.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Then, you know.

[Julian]

Oh, so they probably get paid more if they're getting.

[Jameson]

I don't know if it's more. They're not incentivized to people. Oh, yeah, not the people. Yeah.

[Julian]

To be more productive. If they're doing a pee bottle.

[Jameson]

Yeah, right. Yeah. I thought you meant. I thought you meant they were. They were getting paid more. 2 Pee on the floor. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Julian]

To be more productive.

[Jameson]

No. Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I. I'm not that deep in the Internet.

[Jameson]

What do you. Yeah. Where do you. Are you like, not even like pop, but like, where do you get like news or what do you read or your Twitter guy?

[Julian]

Love Twitter for news.

[Jameson]

But like, hasn't it changed so much? It's like, I think.

[Julian]

I think it changed for the better. The algorithm changed it for the better because Twitter used to be like, like a graveyard, but now it's like, I feel like I see more Funny. And like, I mean, the news is kind of like the news before the switch was so much pop culture, like pop that I did not give two shits about like, you know, like this person, I don't even know their names, you know, all those people. Yeah. And I'm just like, who are these people first of all? And why the is this news?

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know what I mean? This person teases this and this person, like, who the cares?

[Jameson]

But haven't you had like a taste of that like Evan in tabloid wise?

[Julian]

No.

[Jameson]

A little bit.

[Julian]

No. Who the. Nobody's. Nobody's tabloiding me a little bit. The. Nah, nah, come on. No, I'm not, I'm not in LA for 20 years because I'm chill, I'm chill. I don't, you know, I'm, I'm just doing me.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I'm not trying. I feel like you, you get that energy if you put that out. You know what I mean?

[Jameson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you've been here for 20 years, so like. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

If I run into somebody, I'm like, hey, yeah. Oh, I. Hi. I'm very calm. Yeah, we can do a picture. That's fine.

[Jameson]

When you're in la, like what's your routine outside of like recording and like actually being a musician? Do you like, do you like to go out or do you like to eat out or are you just kind of like a homebody or what's your.

[Julian]

I. Yeah, pretty much home.

[Jameson]

Home a lot.

[Julian]

I try, I try to like have stints where I, where I say yes more to like going places and you know.

[Jameson]

So this is a big weekend.

[Julian]

Yeah, exactly. I've been saying yes more often now, especially because I'm done with my record.

[Jameson]

That's so good feeling.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. So I feel like I gotta like start living life again to get some inspiration. Like the other night I was at like this dance hall thing and it just. That music inspired me so much. I was like, damn. Yeah, okay, I need to go out and like hear more music. And like last night, hearing all that stuff, I mean, get it shouty.

[Jameson]

That was. Yeah, we were going to.

[Julian]

Good.

[Jameson]

Great DJ by the way.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's amazing.

[Jameson]

Awesome.

[Julian]

But yeah, no, just hearing, hearing stuff out in, in the real world and, and experiencing the energy and all of that because like, it really helps fuel, you know, inspiration for me. Me.

[Jameson]

They always say that with comedians in particular, but also artists. It's like the more you succeed, the more wealth you crew, the less inspired you become. Because everything is catered to. You're not living life because everything is done for you on your behalf. And you literally don't need to leave your home if you don't want.

[Julian]

True.

[Jameson]

You can travel, show to show, hit the hotel, bus, tour, whatever. And you just like, aren't living life, which is when, like, comedians in particular become stale. And it's like, what are you talking about? You're not. You're going from private jet to stage. Yeah. What life is happening for you to actually write good content.

[Julian]

Yeah. And the stakes aren't as high.

[Jameson]

Yeah, yeah, that too.

[Julian]

You don't have to do it.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know when that, when that urge of like, man, I got to do this or I'm fucked, you know, like, that will really light the fire to, like, you know, and some artists keep that fire going. And those are the, you know, those are the artists that have longevity that, like, keep inspired on that, like, they're. They got, they still got the chip on their shoulder trying to prove something.

[Jameson]

How do you. What's your spark? Because I feel like you're not a chip on the show. You have no enemy.

[Julian]

Oh, I. I mean, I'm a chip on the shoulder of like. Yeah, of course I am, but. Because that's just comes from insecurity of like, not being good enough. So I have a chip on my shoulder of like, I'm gonna prove that I'm good enough to myself. You know what I mean?

[Jameson]

Like, so that start in like school. Like, is this like middle school, high school?

[Julian]

Like, yeah, I mean. Yeah, probably like early. Yeah. I had a, you know, I had a lot of people tell me, you know, I couldn't sing or I couldn't do this, couldn't play guitar for, you know, all that stuff. So I, Yeah, I held on to those and I'm like, I'm gonna prove you wrong. And now it's like, okay, you know, But I still hold on to it.

[Jameson]

I'm like, like the guy that probably doesn't remember you at all. You're like, yeah, exactly that. I said that. Got like a wife and keys.

[Julian]

I'm like, yeah. I based my whole life around.

[Jameson]

I have five albums about it. Listen to this eight minute guitar solo.

[Julian]

Cruel Intentions proving to you that I could play. I could play. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, no, it's, it's. I think that's what keeps me going is just like trying to prove, you know, that I'm good enough. And it's just, it's. Again, it's like an insecurity thing. And which we're all insecure as humans in different ways.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know, artists have, might have it a little bit more, you know, because you're putting yourself out there more maybe.

[Jameson]

But yeah, it's like most people don't have the, the urge or the need to not only be insecure, but then share with the world how in fact they are insecure. And it's like, well, this is, I'm gonna be vulnerable. But then you're also gonna judge it and say it sucks. Yeah, I'm doing the thing. I'm being like, like, I did it.

[Julian]

Yeah. So, yeah, that'll, that'll always, that'll always fuel me to try to be good enough. You know, I don't, I don't think that that just goes with, with success. You know, like, success comes and goes. But like, you know, I don't think until I, I don't think there's ever going to be a point where I feel like I'm, you know, good enough. Like I've done enough. Enough.

[Jameson]

There's no like, yeah, monetary threshold or like, you know, a Grammy nomination or reckoning.

[Julian]

I don't give a.

[Jameson]

None of that. There's no, there's no outward thing that you can say, like, look, I did it. I tip my cap. I did the very thing.

[Julian]

No, I, I, it's, it's an inward thing of like, you know, making something that I'm like, oh, you know what that I really, I made. Like, that's it. That's all. That's, it's over. Like, that's that I just made it. That was the best thing I could ever have made. And I'm never going to make anything like that again.

[Jameson]

Do you have that? Have you had that?

[Julian]

No, that's. And I hope I don't have that because then I really won't make anything ever again. You know what I mean? That's the thing is like, it's the never ending process. There's always going to be a place where you can get better and stuff. Like, I, I say that my goal as an artist is to, you know, make the best possible song ever written. I probably won't ever achieve that goal.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know what I mean? Because it's, it's based on who's listening. Yeah, exactly. You. It's an unattainable goal, but that is still my goal for me is to make the best song ever written. Every time I do it, I'm like, this got to be the best one that, you know, I've ever written. First of all and then try to make it the best ever written ever.

[Jameson]

If you were to, if you were to say, what do you think is your best written song? I have one that came to mind. Just off top.

[Julian]

I have favorites, but I, I don't know, like, like, best written. I don't know. I really like Patiently. I really, I really like that one.

[Jameson]

Yep. And Fooling is similar.

[Julian]

I, I, I have some, some stuff I would have fixed in that. But, you know, lyrically or no, just, just like, I don't know what I, it, I, Back then, I would do a lot of overdubs of, like, harmonies and overlapping vocals. I would have just made it more focused, you know, but that's. It is what it is, and it's amazing. But it's, you know, now, Now I look back on, like, why did I do, like, so many vocals? Like, I was just, I just had a bunch of ideas. Now I'm more focused.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know. Yeah, yeah. But Secret Garden is one that I, that I like. That's like a good written song.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know, but that is a good.

[Jameson]

That is a great written sound.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yeah. So, So I, you know, I just want to make, you know, the best, the best song, you know.

[Jameson]

Okay, so the next album, you're breaking the stale mold. And then you said you're also focusing on, like, just the personal. Like, what else, like, what else has shaken up? Has there been, like, any other major event in your personal life or, like, outwardly?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, just changing, like, changing landscapes of, like, what's going on? And I was, I was, you know, I would lie if I say I wasn't, wasn't frustrated at, you know, doing stuff for so long and, you know, still trying to break through some certain, like, thresholds of things to do, you know, like selling tickets or, you know, you know, anything. Like, like getting, getting opportunities to do different things and, like, feeling like, damn, man, what do I have to do to, like, be able to, you know, sell more tickets and get, you know, more opportunities and stuff? I'm like, you know, it always comes back to, like, you know, just make the best stuff you can make. And, and it's going to happen when it's going to happen. And it's not like it was, you know, not going forward. It was just like, I'm always trying to figure out, okay, how do we, you know, get a bit scale up?

[Jameson]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Julian]

Because that's, that's the goal is to scale it up and. Because that's, you know, it's it's growth. And so there's frustration in that, you know, and that had something to do with it. And then frustrate. Like you said, frustration with, like, where music is at as a whole and culture. I was frustrated with some, and not everybody might be frustrated with, but just for me, I was frustrated with it because I do want to. I hear, like, new that I'm excited about.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know.

[Jameson]

Who do you listen to?

[Julian]

Who have I been listening to? Like, I went back to Fiona Apple again yesterday or the day before, and then I was listening to. What was this guy's name? Wait, let me see.

[Jameson]

Yeah, go for it. Okay.

[Julian]

Alessandro. Alessandroni.

[Jameson]

It's a fire name.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Double down.

[Julian]

Yeah. What. What era? I think it might be 70s, but it was.

[Jameson]

That's my sweet spot. Is really my. I've been. Yeah, I can send you a bunch of that. I've been listening to.

[Julian]

Please.

[Jameson]

I mean, a lot of. Let me see who else I've been. Bobby Humphrey.

[Julian]

He's got so many albums. Jesus. Bobby Humphreys, the Blackbirds.

[Jameson]

This is all 70 you would love. I mean, even down to the artwork, man, it's just like. These are, like pieces of art.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Like, everything about it is so much more, like, well thought out.

[Julian]

Yeah. I've been just listening to a lot.

[Jameson]

Of Roy Ayers, I mean.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Jameson]

Yeah. I mean, come on.

[Julian]

I've been listening to a lot of. Because that's. It's like instrumental music, and so I've just kind of been listening to that. And then I don't know why I went back to Fiona Apple. Just because that. The Pawn. When the Pawn album is so, so good. And every time I put it on, I'm just like, get inspired scared, you know? Y'all, I need y'all. I need. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. When she does that run so good.

[Jameson]

I just want at one. I do that. We're gonna do a voicemail. If I have one question before voicemails, because I was talking about the early 2010s era, and I think one of the first songs I heard you on, which was my intro to you, was a song you featured on. And it was like. I mean, I guess they kind of gave you verse. It was more like backing vocals. And just, like. You just, like, like, stripped the song of, like, its direction and just kind of stole over the second half of the record. Prey. Oh, Cole's on that, too.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jameson]

And I'm, like, hearing, like, to go from you. Cole's vocals to, like, you saying I was like, this is like.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

I mean, I think the game is low key. One of the greatest ars. I mean, I mean, if you look at how he can make a track list, like, he is. He gets it.

[Julian]

And. And I was, you know, I was the biggest Game fan growing up, so that was like a movie moment for me.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, I was 50 Cent, Game, Eminem, all them. Like, Dr. Dre. Like, 50 Cent's still one of my, like, top. Top three rappers. 50 Cent is. Is. Is my.

[Jameson]

Who else is in that for you?

[Julian]

I would say this is crazy list, but Azealia Banks.

[Jameson]

I forgot how much you love.

[Julian]

I love Azealia. And. And what's a. What's a third one? Probably. I really loved Santana. Joel.

[Jameson]

Oh, wow. Wow. That's what I grew up. That's. I was.

[Julian]

Yeah. Dips. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Jameson]

What the game's been missing was a.

[Julian]

Heavy rotation, so that's. That's probably. Probably my three. I mean, wait, Lauryn Hill, though, is. Is in there for rap. For rapping. For sure.

[Jameson]

You give it to her off the one album.

[Julian]

Yeah, I mean, well, she was rapping off on the.

[Jameson]

Yeah, she was. Album. Yeah, for sure.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, yeah, I was. Yeah. Lauryn Hill's got to be in there. So I would maybe take out.

[Jameson]

You don't have to take. We can do five.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Jameson]

We can just keep a four. That's the Mount Rushmore. We'll do that.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jameson]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

Is there four on?

[Jameson]

There are.

[Julian]

Yeah. I got the strangest list.

[Jameson]

It might be five. I think they might Trump is.

[Julian]

Oh, my God.

[Jameson]

I saw him at Dreamville Fest last year.

[Julian]

I tried to get him on a song too.

[Jameson]

Really?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

So awesome.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

I feel like there's an inroad here with.

[Julian]

I thought I had an inroad too, because I was.

[Jameson]

So Alex, who owns this studio, is on flagrant Andrew Schultz's podcast.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Jameson]

And Schultz and 50 have a very good relationship.

[Julian]

Oh, for real?

[Jameson]

So I think that's like, they've had him on the show two or three times. Like, I think that's like, closer than you.

[Julian]

Okay. All right.

[Jameson]

Make it work.

[Julian]

Putting it out in the universe.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Well, now I don't have a song for him to get on, though. I gotta, like, I gotta go make a song. Really? Oh, okay.

[Jameson]

These kids are sexy. They're Grammy winning producers. They reached out to me. They're from Copenhagen.

[Julian]

Oh, for real? They said, let me make one.

[Jameson]

We'd love to make you a custom jingle.

[Julian]

Wow. Yeah. Jingles are changing.

[Jameson]

Jingles Jingles are sexy.

[Julian]

Doesn't even sound like a jingle.

[Jameson]

I think it's insulting to call it a jingle. It's like a really nice thing.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's like, it's got like it's going to have a drone shot going over Holly Hollywood Hills Million dollar mansion over there showing the infinity pool. Amazing.

[Jameson]

Let's get into it. Yeah, go ahead, Richie.

[C]

So Julian, I'm kind of giving advice, getting advice by proxy for my friend. They'll remain nameless. So that is kind of around right now. And they're, they're finding themselves like infatuated with this guy. The guy was like giving 110% in the beginning. You know, super quick to respond to the text. Let me see your outfit. Not in like a weird way but you know, like the mutual desire was there, but now, you know, week and a half later they're trying to make plans for this weekend.

[Jameson]

And he's crazy how much he knows about this.

[C]

Not locking it in. Yeah, he wants telling her soft plan this weekend. I feel like that is just a way of being non committal. Maybe he does have soft plans.

[Jameson]

Okay.

[C]

I don't know.

[Julian]

What's the question?

[C]

So, so anyway, the issue at hand is that this, this, this girl who's like, some can say she's a little down bad for the guy. She's a catch. She's really cute and funny and she's got another opportunity for a date on Sunday.

[Jameson]

It's his date.

[C]

So I'm like, let's just rip this Sunday date.

[Jameson]

Let's just me and we know this.

[C]

Guy actually really wants to see her and isn't like playing games with her. Yeah, I guess it sounds like we know what to do already. But maybe just like your input on the stage.

[Jameson]

Okay, well, I get it would be valuable. I feel like he's talking about himself.

[C]

Looking forward to hearing what you have to say.

[Julian]

Thanks. This is amazing.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

All right, well, you can do this for two hours.

[Jameson]

The voicemails are so fun. I wonder. But all right, basically this sounds like, you know, like when you start dating somebody and it's like, I like you but I'll do, I'll give you the work day. I will. LA is different because LA's dating scares me. But in New York it's like I'll give you a weekday night or like we'll get a coffee or something because I want to have my weekend for my friends or like other real plans. Plans. It sounds like that's what this person's doing to his friend. He's like, I like you. I'll text you, but I have plans on the weekend with, like, other people.

[Julian]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Like, yeah, okay, but what was his question that wasn't two parts already.

[Jameson]

So. Yeah, no, this is a different one. That's a different one. That's a whole different call.

[Julian]

I don't even know what the question was.

[Jameson]

I don't.

[Julian]

I mean, were they saying, like.

[Jameson]

I think he's saying, like, should the girl do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the girl has a date lined up on Sunday that is committed to that he. That the guy's in on. But the Saturday one, the guy that she's really into and texting is kind of flaky.

[Julian]

Wait, so she's got two different guys?

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

What then? What's she worried about?

[Jameson]

She. I guess. You know how it is. The girl, the guy, the one that they want. The one. The one that they want is always the one that doesn't want that.

[Julian]

That's busy.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, okay.

[Jameson]

So he's like, well, why worry about this guy when you have the guy that me. Literally, the guy that called, he's like, why worry?

[Julian]

Oh, that's the.

[Jameson]

Oh, no, no, it's not him. But it's him. It's him, I guess. What. I mean, what's the.

[Julian]

Damn. Yeah, I. Yeah. And he wants the one that he can't have, too, so they.

[Jameson]

Sounds like it's very Shakespearean.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's crazy. Love. Love's a crazy thing. Thing, you know? Yeah.

[Jameson]

Ask her out. That's my advice.

[Julian]

Right.

[Jameson]

Clearly you want to be with us.

[Julian]

I mean, at least where you stand, you know? Well, I. I could probably guess where you stand. I don't like you like that.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, we're. We were, like, such good friends. I don't want to ruin the friendship. Okay.

[Jameson]

Like that. Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, you know, it's gonna happen.

[Jameson]

That's a thing I've had, like.

[Julian]

So. So we should go. We could still go on Sunday, but, like. Like, as friends, though, right? Yeah. Yeah. As long as we're just friends.

[Jameson]

Yeah, as long as we're friends.

[Julian]

You're paying.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Yeah. You know how friends are. Yeah. We don't go Dutch. Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

Love that.

[Jameson]

I've had one friend do the date within the friend group thing. Blew up. Two friend groups. Oh, yeah. It was really annoying. I love him. He's, like, one of my best friends. But, like, we told him, like, dude, do not dated her. Broke up. And then he was like, all right, I won't do it again. Found another one and, like, another close friend.

[Julian]

Group.

[Jameson]

Group. Blew up that group.

[Julian]

Like, dude, never. It's so selfish.

[Jameson]

I'm like, don't do that, man.

[Julian]

Like, damn.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. Or at least like, no, you want to really do it.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Or, yeah, you know, like, loosely date. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

Damn. New York's different, huh?

[Jameson]

I hate the. I don't. I haven't dated in la. I don't. I've never lived here. But, like, I. The car culture of it alone is like, I can't. I can't do it.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

I can't. The thought of driving everywhere and then, like. And then it's just like. It's. I feel like it's more expensive to date here because of that.

[Julian]

It is expensive here for sure.

[Jameson]

Do you have, like, a routine? Like, I feel like everybody has their thing. Is it, like, are you like a day date or, like a night, a movie or. Like, what's the.

[Julian]

I. I mean, I haven't. I haven't been on a date and I don't even know how. Maybe nine. Nine years or something.

[Jameson]

Shut the up. Nine years. Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jameson]

Really?

[Julian]

Yeah. I was in a relationship for eight of them. Well, that.

[Jameson]

Okay. Well, that checks out. Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, I was. Yeah. So I don't know.

[Jameson]

So you have to, like, get reintegrated into.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. That's weird, huh?

[Jameson]

Maybe you can talk to LaRue tonight.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. Oh, wait. Oh, I didn't mean it like that. Jesus. Are we on? No, I didn't mean it like that. I didn't mean it like that. No, no. I'm just saying. Yeah.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Wow. That was. Sorry.

[Jameson]

Whoops. Whoops.

[Julian]

What? Damn. I did not. I did not mean.

[Jameson]

Well, this weekend will be long done after. Who knows how the night ends up. Part two coming soon.

[Julian]

That's crazy.

[Jameson]

All right, man. Well, yeah, I think we're. We don't. We should do another one. Yeah.

[Julian]

I was about to ask.

[Jameson]

We can do another one. We want to do it.

[Julian]

Yeah. Why not?

[Jameson]

Let's do this.

[Julian]

Why not? It. I've already embarrassed myself enough.

[Jameson]

Great.

[Julian]

Some more.

[Jameson]

Let's do it.

[Julian]

First one and last one.

[Jameson]

So. Yeah. No, I broke up with my ex about, like, four months ago. Okay. So, you know, I'm on that typical, you know, workout, get my money right kind of grind, you know, the single guy glow up and now I'm starting to get attention from other women, but I'm liking the place I'm in and just improvement. I don't know if I'm supposed to be improving for, like, that attention. And this is where I'm supposed to be at. This is the final goal. Or if I'm like, still need to keep going and ignoring it, like, it's, it's a weird kind of position I'm in. So I just look for advice on that little pie. Keep it up, Appreciate it. I think you make improvements for yourself. Isn't that the whole point? Like, and then when you're becoming a better version of yourself, people become attracted to that because they see that you maybe physically look better carrying yourself a little better, posture's gotten better. Like, people are attracted to the new version of you, but, like, the priority should always be your yourself.

[Julian]

Yeah, RuPaul says it best. If you can't, if you can't love yourself, how are you going to love somebody else? That's.

[Jameson]

Yeah, RuPaul definitely did say that.

[Julian]

Yeah, Every time.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Love that, love that, love that saying. It's the truth.

[Jameson]

Yeah, it's the truth.

[Julian]

But I don't, I don't, I wouldn't, like, deny it because you're, you know, I mean.

[Jameson]

Well, I think he's saying, he's like, I just got out of something. I don't want to get back into something because I feel good.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jameson]

Don't rush.

[Julian]

Makes you feel good for sure.

[Jameson]

That whatever makes you happy, whatever makes you happy, listen to whatever makes you happy and stay happy.

[Julian]

True. Whatever. Yeah, whatever makes you feel good. But, yeah, there's no rules. Just do whatever you want.

[Jameson]

Yeah. You don't have to kill people. Yeah. We should stay away from that. Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. Don't kill people unless you really want to.

[Jameson]

Unless they're a healthcare willing to go.

[Julian]

To jail for life, you know. No, that's bad.

[Jameson]

That's a bad idea. Regardless.

[Julian]

Kidding.

[Jameson]

Yeah, I think the. If you want to be in a relationship, which it does sound like you do, then just don't. You can be casual if you want to still fill that physical itch. You got it. You know what I mean? You got to get laid. Like, yeah, you gotta do something. So, like, you can do it, but do it respectfully. Like, don't ghost women. Don't lead them on. Be like, hey, like, you know, if it's casual, make sure they know that. Like, basically communicate. That's all I'm saying. But don't feel like you have to throw away you bettering yourself because you gotta dump. Jump into a relationship. Don't jump into a relationship.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

I would never advise anyone to just jump into Anything. Just because it feels right. For two weeks. Weeks.

[Julian]

Yeah. You got to be friends with the person first. Yeah. So work on that part.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Keep. Keep lifting. Take an ice bath. Do like the cold plunge.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Like the Joe Rogan circuit. Shave your body.

[Julian]

Get jacked.

[Jameson]

Get a baldy.

[Julian]

Get jacked.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Get a handlebar.

[Julian]

Jacked up.

[Jameson]

Get jacked. Start taking tea.

[Julian]

Monster energy drinks. Jack your up, bro.

[Jameson]

What, are your T levels.

[Julian]

Not high enough?

[Jameson]

Yeah, yeah. Send us your T report and we'll let you know if you can get laid.

[Julian]

Oh, my God, that. Do you need some supplements? I got supplements.

[Jameson]

I don't know what it is, but my timeline. I must have clicked on the wrong ad. Yeah, my Instagram ads now are all just creatine gummies. Oh, wow. Because they said like creatine historically has had a shitty flavor and it's like now we've. Now we've made it into like a sour Patch kid. And it's like these green looks like candy coated gummies and they, It'll. There's like this guy. There's like Jack Ey walking on a college campus giving it to like hot chicks and guys that clearly live too you. And he's like, try it, bro. And they're like, this is delicious. I'm like, who is this for? Like, who is like. I mean, like, what is. Who does that work on? I don't. It's this.

[Julian]

Oh, my God, the jacked guys. That's crazy. They're so jacked. They got straight up titties. It's crazy.

[Jameson]

And you're like, jacked for what? Like you're an accountant.

[Julian]

What are you lifting, man? That trips me out. Because it's like this stuff just grows on you, you know, it's just these things growing on you. You. It's. It's crazy. It's so weird to me. I. I also got the body dysmorphia. That stuff trips me out.

[Jameson]

Like you do. You think you do?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, I got it for sure.

[Jameson]

Oh, how?

[Julian]

Because I always. I always think I need to be skinnier.

[Jameson]

Oh, my God. What are you, like a buck 50, right?

[Julian]

Yeah. Trying to look like a crackhead, honestly.

[Jameson]

Yeah, it's coming up.

[Julian]

Well, just because it makes. It's. The stakes are higher, you know, it makes. It makes the steak if you look.

[Jameson]

Ill. Yeah, well, I mean, to your point. Bieber. Those shots of Bieber over the last couple months, he looks like he's like sick and people are like, oh my God.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. And then he like, something's happening. Yeah, something's happening.

[Jameson]

Something's happening.

[Julian]

There's some drama. You know, that's a method.

[Jameson]

That's how you crack the tabloids, is by looking like a crackhead.

[Julian]

Oh, no, no. I just like the look of it too though. It's like I just look at crackheads and I'm like, you're you. They're like. I feel like they're like the most free people of all.

[Jameson]

Free basing. I don't know if they're like, they're.

[Julian]

Free basing, but like they just don't care about anything but their crack and they have a purpose and they're like.

[Jameson]

You know, but isn't that just like chasing the dragon? Isn't that. I mean, it's kind of what you.

[Julian]

Were saying earlier about like society and what society thinks. They're not worried about social media. They're not worried about like get you buying a house or paying taxes. They're not worried about ship of crack back. I mean, that's something. That's amazing. That, that's, that's. Yeah, so that's why I like the. I like the look of it because it like gives off the look of purpose for me.

[Jameson]

It distills life to its purest form.

[Julian]

Yes, exactly.

[Jameson]

I hate that that makes sense, but. It does.

[Julian]

Exactly.

[Jameson]

But that being said, I've seen five dicks coming in and out of LA off the ramp because there's so many guys are just like, yeah, just ripped janky pants.

[Julian]

True, true. Yeah, there's a lot of. I saw a guy taking a on on Sunset Boulevard over here the other day. I was like, damn. I was going the other way because he was faced the way. I was like, damn, those, those people on that side are seeing his full.

[Jameson]

Dilated, like, I'm good.

[Julian]

I'm getting the frontal view. And I, I couldn't look away either. I was like, he's really. I was watching it drop. I was like, what? He's really just shitty on the sidewalk, like bent over with his ass facing these other cars and we're all stopped at the light.

[Jameson]

Imagine having that level of no fear, right? Or just like repercussions. It's like, do they. But then, but then, like, you don't wipe.

[Julian]

That's freedom. That is free.

[Jameson]

That is America. Yes, that's America.

[Julian]

That's crazy. Did you see what I'm getting to?

[Jameson]

No, you're right, you're right. Well, damn, man, this is incredible. Jameson, thank you so much, man. Do you want to talk about what's coming out or not? Or what's next or timeline wise.

[Julian]

New album is coming up. New single is going to be in May, but I'll leave the date for later because I don't know the exact date.

[Jameson]

But yeah, a couple show runs coming up.

[Julian]

Yes, in June. Those dates are coming up. I think we got three in LA and three in New York.

[Jameson]

I will see you in New York.

[Julian]

All right.

[Jameson]

All right, guys.

[Julian]

Good.

[Jameson]

Well, thank you everybody for tuning in. Jameson, when you're in New York, I'd love to do this again. This would be fun to pick up where we left off. Down.

[Julian]

We can do straight up all calls. Yes.

[Jameson]

Oh my. Yes. I'm so down. Just give the best relationship advice.

[Julian]

Let's go.

[Jameson]

We just ends with become a crackhead. Take a. In the street.

[Julian]

Right?

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

If you could.

[Jameson]

If you can. If you're. If you could be so lucky. Yeah. Right. Thank you.

[Julian]

Oh. Oh. Should I go over here? Wow. So weird. I know.

[Jameson]

It is weird.

[Julian]

Wow.

[Jameson]

Different. This is. This is what it. This is content in 2025.

[Julian]

Yeah. All these circuit professional lights. Jeez. We're out here with the big clock. Okay. Wow, that's trippy. Are those all different cameras? Oh, yeah. One.

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Two, three, four. Well, one's not on.

[Jameson]

Okay, we've got the multicam set up, so it's going to be two isos and then the big dog in the middle for us.

[Julian]

Wow. Wait, where's. Oh, that. Oh, that one's getting me right there. Oh, I see. I was like, where is that camera tripping me out? Wow. Yeah.

[Jameson]

This is fun, man. What do you got planned for the rest of the day until tonight?

[Julian]

Are you still trying to go?

[Jameson]

I'm down. What time is that at?

[Julian]

Let me. Let me text you real quick. And it's. It's. The show starts at 9.

[Jameson]

Oh, sweet.

[Julian]

Yeah, we were maybe gonna meet at 8 and grab a drink. Let me hit him. Wait, do you know what S and M cuzzy like? I know cuz. He means like cuz, but snm. Because I said all right, sounds good. And he. And he said S M. Cuz he. What's snm?

[Jameson]

It's not like a. It's not like, like something S, N, M, C, like the letter snm.

[Julian]

SNM isn't like a sex thing.

[Jameson]

Say no more.

[Julian]

Oh, say no more.

[Jameson]

Say no.

[Julian]

God.

[Jameson]

Cuz. Okay, that makes way more sense. Say no more. How do you know this manager?

[Julian]

I don't. I know this guy Danny Seth is. He's an artist and I just known him for a while. And he. He's from the uk, so he knows the manager, I guess, is, you know. All right, let's see what we. See what he says here. I'm sure it's chill. She had a couple, too. Like, I'm going in for the kill.

[Jameson]

Yeah. Really remix that one.

[Julian]

Oh, did he?

[Jameson]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, yeah, the dubstep. Yeah. He was going in for the kill. Yeah. Wow. I was serious.

[Jameson]

Let me look this up.

[Julian]

What he said. Yeah, we'll get it sorted. Yeah. Dub step. You remember that? Yeah. Oh, my God. But, yeah, he said, we're good for tonight.

[Jameson]

Where's the drop? There it is.

[Julian]

Oh, yeah, there it is.

[Jameson]

Yeah, we go.

[Julian]

Oh, my God. Didn't JLo, in her movie, like, have a dubstep break on something? Like a shitty dubstep break? I feel like they were in and they were trying to say it was like, what. What do you call it? Like, steampunk. Steampunk or something. They were all in a factory dancing.

[Jameson]

Are you serious?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Jameson]

Movie.

[Julian]

Yeah, the movie she made. That movie was crazy. What movie? It was like. I don't even know what it's called. It was supposed to be about her life, but it was a movie. But, yeah, I don't know. It was wild. Maybe I'm tripping. Maybe it was just. They were dressed, like, in a. Like, dancing in a factory. And it wasn't dubstep, but I just thought of the dubstep.

[Jameson]

Everybody, close ups.